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[12:56] <Adri2000> I'm going to request a sync to have a new upstream version of a package, no ubuntu change. do I need an ack from a MOTU?
[01:01] <geser> let me check my old bugs
[01:03] <geser> Adri2000: yes, you need an ACK (if nothing has changed)
[01:04] <Adri2000> geser: ok, then I will need you soon :
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[02:01] <shawarma> Hmm.... question: I was just looking at how DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are (not) handled and I stumbled upon Makefile in the New Maintainer's guide (from Debian) (Section 4.4 in http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html). Can we all agree that the CFLAGS will be totally ignored during the build using that Makefile?
[02:01] <Toadstool> re
[02:01] <shawarma> CFLAGS are set as a variable in the Makefile, but in the build target, $(MAKE) is called with no CFLAGS=$(CFLAGS) or anything, so it's effectively discarded, right?
[02:02] <Toadstool> nope
[02:02] <shawarma> Toadstool: How come?
[02:03] <Toadstool> oh... wait
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[02:03] <shawarma> I know that CFLAGS are respected by the built in %.o: %.c targets, but here we're calling an external make.
[02:03] <Minsc37> Hi everyone
[02:03] <shawarma> Minsc37: hello
[02:04] <Minsc37> I've a piece of software that I've developed, and I'm wondering whether it could be added to the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:04] <Toadstool> shawarma: yeah, well, looks like you're right
[02:04] <shawarma> If it's not evil, bring it on. :-)
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[02:04] <crimsun> yes, they're discarded.
[02:04] <Minsc37> Who would I talk to about whether it's acceptable?
[02:05] <shawarma> Minsc37: Us. :-)
[02:05] <Minsc37> Excellent :-)
[02:05] <crimsun> Minsc37: see the topic regarding revu.
[02:05] <Minsc37> Last I checked, there was a package of an irc client written in Ruby
[02:06] <Minsc37> I discovered that package when I was just about finished coding my own irc client in Ruby. With my personal bias, I think mine is better :)
[02:06] <shawarma> crimsun: I thought so. This seems to be a common mistake. Even our GTK packages discards it even though D_B_O are parsed in debian/rules..
[02:06] <Minsc37> It's mostly just a backend though, in that the user interface is plain text. I'm thinking of doing something with ncurses, but I'd want to know if it could get in before I start spending time on this project again
[02:07] <crimsun> Minsc37: if you're active in developing it (fixing bugs, etc.), certainly.
[02:07] <shawarma> crimsun: ...which sucks a** since it it takes forever to rebuild the thing.
[02:08] <Minsc37> Well, it was finished a few months ago, but I only started thinking about this recently. I'd have to get back into it
[02:10] <Minsc37> So, to see if I understand you, if I'm actively developing it, it will get in, even if, heaven forbid, it were worse than the current ruby irc client package?
[02:11] <crimsun> "will" is quite strong.
[02:11] <Minsc37> Heh
[02:11] <crimsun> if you have an active development presence and work with the Debian packaging, it's much more likely to enter the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:12] <crimsun> you can either attempt to get it into Debian (recommended), or you can attempt to get it into Ubuntu directly.
[02:12] <Minsc37> The program is very cross-platform, so either would be feasible, I suppose
[02:13] <shawarma> Minsc37: You'd have to jump through hoops to make it only work on one of either Debian or Ubuntu. :-)
[02:13] <Minsc37> Heheh
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[02:14] <shawarma> the thing just is that stuff gets automatically imported from Debian, so if you get it into Debian, we don't have to do a thing. :-)
[02:14] <Minsc37> Awesome! So then, could you point me in the right direction for getting stuff into Debian?
[02:15] <shawarma> Minsc37: mentors.debian.org
[02:15] <Adri2000> mentors.debian.net :)
[02:16] <shawarma> Oh, right.
[02:16] <Minsc37> There we go. :-)
[02:16] <Minsc37> Thanks!
[02:16] <Toadstool> hmm, etch is frozen, isn't it?
[02:16] <Adri2000> it is
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[02:19] <Toadstool> hmm, I think you can still try to get your package uploaded to Debian, it will just stay stucked in NEW for a little longer than usual (which can be pretty long anyway :p)
[02:20] <crimsun> at this point, it may be easier to just get it into Ubuntu 
[02:20] <Toadstool> sure
[02:20] <shawarma> crimsun: Isn't it always? :-)
[02:20] <kgoetz> heh
[02:20] <crimsun> depends on the DD you poke
[02:20] <kgoetz> 'just' get stuck in NEW... i like the wording ;P
[02:21] <shawarma> crimsun: I suppose. Can DD's just upload new packages at will?
[02:21] <crimsun> essentially.
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[02:22] <shawarma> crimsun: Well, essentially any MOTU can also upload a new package, but we have rules for that sort of thing. Are there no such rules in Debian?
[02:22] <crimsun> originally, new universe source packages needed 2 ubuntu-dev approvals, but it has been ... fluid lately
[02:22] <shawarma> I see.
[02:22] <shawarma> I didn't know that.
[02:23] <Toadstool> crimsun: hmm? fluid? :)
[02:23] <Adri2000> MOTU needed at bug #77379
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77379 in wesnoth "Please sync wesnoth (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77379
[02:23] <crimsun> one of items for discussion by the MC will be dropping that requirement to just one approval
[02:23] <crimsun> Toadstool: apparently some have been uploaded without two approvals
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[02:25] <shawarma> crimsun: Sounds sane enough. An "outsider" can get a package in with two approvals so why shouldn't the same hold for MOTU's? (I'm assuming the uploader approves his own upload :-) )
[02:27] <crimsun> Adri2000: upstart is one, but it's exceptional.
[02:27] <Adri2000> graphviz-cairo (2.8-1) edgy; urgency=low
[02:27] <Adri2000>   * Initial packaging
[02:27] <Adri2000> -- mdz
[02:28] <crimsun> yeah, we won't hold that against one of the head canonical honchos.
[02:28] <Adri2000> :)
[02:30] <shawarma> Perhaps he expects to upload it to Debian as-is..
[02:31] <shawarma> Nah, that wouldn't work with "edgy" in the distro..
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[02:46] <Minsc37> Yargh, I've got to disconnect. Thanks for the advice shawarma and crimsun :-)
[02:46] <Minsc37> Hopefully I'll see you again
[02:46] <kgoetz> where should i look for info on how configure and configure.in are different, or what their different purposes are?
[02:50] <Toadstool> kgoetz: http://www-src.lip6.fr/homepages/Alexandre.Duret-Lutz/autotools.html <-- here
[02:50] <kgoetz> Toadstool: thanks
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[02:57] <bddebian> Heya
[02:57] <bddebian> +gang :)
[02:57] <kgoetz> hi :)
[02:58] <bddebian> Heya kgoetz
[02:58] <crimsun> that's messed up. I saw "+gang" and immediately thought of where it would fit in a launchpad.net URL.
[02:58] <kgoetz> bddebian: how are you?
[02:58] <bddebian> crimsun: Heh
[02:58] <kgoetz> lol crimsun 
[02:58] <bddebian> kgoetz: OK, thx. You?
[02:58] <kgoetz> bddebian: going good, but i'm about to send myself insane
[02:59] <kgoetz> so its been nice knowing you ;)
[03:00] <bddebian> Uhm, OK :)
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[03:00] <kgoetz> hehe
[03:00] <crimsun> most of us are certifiable already
[03:01] <bddebian> That's no joke :)
[03:01] <crimsun> :)
[03:01] <kgoetz> :)
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[03:22] <jdong> that was... not fun
[03:22] <crimsun> now try fielding bug reports for them.
[03:23] <bddebian> heh
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[03:25] <jdong> :)
[03:27] <jdong> now, back to watching casino royale, courtesy of ffmpeg/cygwin :)
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[03:50] <crimsun> Amaranth: as a heads-up in case you don't track git, alsa 1.0.14rc1 has been merged into feisty's git, so you'll see it the next go-round (2.6.20-3.x)
[03:50] <Amaranth> ooh
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[03:50] <Amaranth> no more windows on my laptop, yay (hopefully)
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[05:11] <joejaxx> is there a list of target architectures?
[05:11] <joejaxx> somewhere?
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[08:46] <Lathiat> i had a usb scanner from a couple years back that i hadnt used since
[08:46] <Lathiat> worked on linux back then, got dropped while moving
[08:47] <Lathiat> didnt work when i tried it ia ssumed it was bust so i got a new one similar model
[08:47] <Lathiat> turns out the drivers broken :/
[08:47] <kgoetz> :\
[08:49] <Zic_> hello I can't resolve the problem of my package, somebody can take a look ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3762 :) thanks
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[08:50] <Zic_> (not the problem of licence for the moment, just the failled pbuild ...)
[08:50] <Zic_> failed*
[08:51] <Lathiat> in fact looks like xsane might be the culprit
[08:54] <Lathiat> gah
[08:54] <Lathiat> looks like when you choose a device in both kooka and xsane it doesnt work and picks the first one
[08:54] <Lathiat> the driver in fact works fine
[08:54] <Lathiat> that is annoying :)
[08:54] <Lathiat> oh well
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[10:06] <crimsun> superm1: I'll re-checkout mythtv/ubuntu in a bit.
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[10:07] <superm1> crimsun, cool okay
[10:07] <superm1> very minor changes to both for the changelogs
[10:07] <superm1> your builds went okay though earlier?
[10:07] <crimsun> yes, but I wasn't going to upload them without discussing with you
[10:07] <crimsun> I can't test them here anyhow
[10:08] <giskard> morning
[10:08] <superm1> ah of course
[10:08] <enyc> giskard: evening
[10:08] <crimsun> morning/evening
[10:09] <superm1> i don't have a feisty testing system, just a VM that i've verified that they install and the frontend package works.  my testing method for them has been to rebuild for edgy and install on an edgy system after building for feisty
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[10:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[10:12] <crimsun> enyc: it's no surprise that no one in u-u-s has replied
[10:12] <crimsun> enyc: the contact email for u-u-s currently goes to just one person, Sarah
[10:13] <crimsun> (it formerly spammed all of ubuntu-dev)
[10:14] <enyc> crimsun: bah!
[10:14] <kgoetz> lol
[10:14] <enyc> crimsun: so how do we get this sorted? (mail list) ?
[10:15] <crimsun> u-u-s bug email contact is being sorted in the new year, probably, as many of the canonical staff are on vacation
[10:15] <crimsun> the debdiff itself looks sane; I'll apply it
[10:16] <enyc> crimsun: somebody else said they thought that dpatch in there is not good for patching debian/ ... but the dpatch method was what sistpoty 'told' me to do for this
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[10:17] <crimsun> enyc: normally it's not the preferred way, since you're only touching debian/*
[10:17] <enyc> crimsun: right well the problem is i dont have a devtools-user-manual with all these proceduces in it
[10:18] <crimsun> enyc: that's fine; you'll learn as you go 
[10:18] <enyc> crimsun: note that it would be good to aply the same dpatch to the edgy and dapper versions
[10:18] <enyc> crimsun: appaerntly dis best to submit the fix for latest repository first
[10:19] <crimsun> you should file SRU proposals for them.
[10:19] <enyc> is there an ubuntu-wiki pacge about SRU? ;-)
[10:19] <crimsun> yes.
[10:19] <enyc> Or do I need to loarn this the same way ;-)
[10:20] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[10:20] <crimsun>   qpsmtpd_0.32-4ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[10:20] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:21] <crimsun> bug 72602
[10:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72602
[10:22] <enyc> crimsun: yay!!!
[10:22] <enyc> crimsun: hrrm now reading the "when" on SRU wiki....
[10:22] <crimsun> hrm, 4:22a. should sleep.
[10:23] <enyc> crimsun: this does not fit the "when" . this bug makes the package unusable basically... i.e. after any reboot it wont start!
[10:24] <enyc> crimsun: thankyou thankyou ;-)
[10:27] <enyc> crimsun: I think i can follow the SRU procedure now
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[10:28] <crimsun> not yet, have to process mythtv.
[10:29] <enyc> crimsun: ok
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[10:32] <enyc> crimsun: looks like I should be creating simelar debdiff to  edgy and dapper source versions (could evern create for breezy bot not sure if worth doing) with SRU explanation and then subscribe the SRU team
[10:34] <crimsun> essentially, yes. You need a separate bug report for each proposed SRU.
[10:34] <enyc> crimsun: now you have somehow submitted the patch... should it now get rebuilt for feisty somewhere... and appear in packages.ubuntu.com etc. automatically ?
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[10:35] <enyc> crimsun: (for feisty)
[10:36] <crimsun> yes, it will appear in feisty shortly
[10:36] <crimsun> well, if the soyuz grue hasn't eaten my upload
[10:36] <ciplogic> Hi everyone... I want to contribute to Ubuntu and I can spare 2 hours by day. I am mainly a C++ developper  but I have basic knowledge of C#/mono. Who I should contact, who needs me? :)
[10:37] <crimsun> ...which it has.
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[10:38] <ciplogic> My email adress is ciprian dot mustiata at yahoo dot com 
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[10:40] <crimsun> ciplogic: see the topic for getting involved.
[10:40] <ciplogic> crimsun: thanks
[10:41] <crimsun> hmph.
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[10:44] <crimsun> strange. I've never had an upload eaten -twice- in a row...
[10:45] <enyc> crimsun: hrrm dont know what you mean
[10:45] <crimsun> enyc: not your issue
[10:45] <enyc> crimsun: sure
[10:45] <enyc> crimsun: R.E. feis-ty qpsmtpd now you have somehow submitted the patch... should it now get rebuilt for feisty somewhere... and appear in packages.ubuntu.com etc. automatically ?  // how long?
[10:46] <crimsun> enyc: it depends whether soyuz is actually processing uploads. I've uploaded three times; they've all apparently gone somewhere to /dev/null
[10:46] <enyc> crimsun: bah
[10:46] <crimsun> strange, since my gaim upload several hours ago was processed just fine.
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: im not having too much luck here lol
[10:47] <crimsun> meh, I'll look at it in the morning.
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: ok solong as you remember ;-)
[10:47] <crimsun> the bug is assigned to me; I'm sure I'll remember
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: ok thankyou ;-)
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: erm
[10:51] <enyc> crimsun: ?am I to assume that the use of a dpatch does not matter for this  but I ll not use it in the same circumstance for similar fix (debian/) in future ?
[10:52] <crimsun> enyc: correct.
[10:52] <enyc> crimsun: thankyou for all your comments
[10:52] <crimsun> np
[10:53] <enyc> ;-)
[11:02] <Sp4rKy> hi there
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[11:20] <superm1> crimsun, i was going to get to bed, but before i did - do you have any other comments/questions/concerns about the mythtv packages?
[11:20] <StevenK> What's the new version (Just curious)
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[11:21] <superm1> StevenK, its 0.20-fixes checkout
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[11:21] <superm1> 0.20-svn120906 i think
[11:21] <superm1> er 0.20-svn20061209
[11:21] <StevenK> Heh
[11:22] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Real soon now. :-)
[11:22] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:22] <superm1> StevenK, myth user?  or possibly looking to be a contributor? or just curious?
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[11:26] <palski> when the same package version is moved to feisty is it recompiled at all?
[11:27] <superm1> palski, it is once the initial feisty buildchain is setup
[11:27] <palski> ok, thanks
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[11:28] <crimsun> superm1: not really. I'm holding off uploading things until the soyuz issue is straightened out.
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[11:29] <superm1> crimsun, okay.  well my main concern was if the things that i was doing with the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend metapackage were kosher to be doing
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[11:32] <crimsun> superm1: I'll look closer this afternoon; I'm much too tired to trust reviewing.
[11:33] <superm1> aye.  okay i'll catch up with you later then.  off to bed for me :)
[11:33] <crimsun> same here.
[11:33] <superm1> thanks for looking and the comments earlier, night.
[11:34] <crimsun> np
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[11:47] <StevenK> Hrm. It seems I can't sing in time.
[11:48] <StevenK> Or maybe, just plain can't sing.
[11:53] <elkbuntu> hehe.. TheMuso isnt happy with his recording either
[11:56] <StevenK> I'm less than happy with mine.
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[01:16] <Hobbsee> windows *sucks* for dvd playing. 
[01:17] <Hobbsee> it appears that now you have to run a codec to play a dvd!
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[01:19] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, i know! it's terrible
[01:19] <tsmithe> and it won't play xvid either without loads of searching
[01:19] <tsmithe> and even then you often have to pay
[01:21] <kgoetz> *waves to Hobbsee *
[01:23] <Adri2000> MOTU needed at bug #77379
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77379 in wesnoth "Please sync wesnoth (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77379
[01:23] <Adri2000> just to ack the sync please :)
[01:26] <raphink> Hobbsee talks about windows ??!!
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[01:28] <Adri2000> thanks geser :)
[01:28] <geser> Adri2000: np
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[03:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
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[03:46] <tsmithe> h bddebian
[03:46] <tsmithe> hmm
[03:46] <tsmithe> that should've been hi
[03:46] <bddebian> Hello tsmithe
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[06:03] <soulrider> hi
[06:03] <soulrider> the Filelight package in the repositories is old, and the one in the debian repositories is old
[06:03] <soulrider> theres a new version that doesnt crash available
[06:04] <soulrider> is it posible for someone to upload it tot he repos ?
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[06:48] <tsmithe> argh! liblame-dev is broken...
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[08:22] <\sh> moins
[08:22] <nixternal> oi \sh!
[08:24] <\sh> nixternal: hey ... hope you had a nice time during xmas :)
[08:25] <nixternal> i got some needed sleep for sure :)
[08:25] <nixternal> how was your holiday?
[08:25] <\sh> still very relaxing...much sleep...much love...and very good food :)
[08:26] <nixternal> oh ya, the food was definitely plenitful
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[08:47] <luckyone> hello all, I wanted to ask about a 64-binary for Mozilla Sunbird
[08:48] <luckyone> as an xfce user, Orage is 'neat' but I am looking for something a bit more flashy
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