[12:13] <HymnToLife> faLUCE, resize the WIndow ?
[12:14] <faLUCE> HymnToLife: no
[12:24] <jart> is there an option to make the window borders dissapear when a window is maximized?
[12:26] <aseigo> jart: yes... in the window behaviour panel there is an option to make it so you can't move maximized windows
[12:26] <aseigo> which has the side effect of getting rid of the borders
[12:27] <Fir3Ligth> excusez moi de vous drangez
[12:27] <Fir3Ligth> bonsoir  tous
[12:27] <jart> aseigo: yes! thanks
[12:27] <HymnToLife> !fr | Fir3Ligth
[12:27] <ubotu> Fir3Ligth: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:27] <aseigo> jart: np
[12:27] <Fir3Ligth> excuse me sorry
[12:27] <Fir3Ligth> i don't speak very well english
[12:27] <Fir3Ligth> :)
[12:28] <jart> je ne parle pas francias
[12:29] <jart> <3
[12:30] <Captain_Haddock> !nvidia
[12:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:31] <HymnToLife> !fishing | Captain_Haddock
[12:31] <ubotu> Captain_Haddock: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:31] <Captain_Haddock> ah
[12:31] <Captain_Haddock> righto
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm trying to figure out why, upon enabling translucency and shadows, does full-screen video seem so dark, and when i go back to the desktop, it's even darker
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> nearly impossible to read
[12:41] <chris> I booted up apt but it told me that the database was locked, because another program was using it. I looked into htop but i can't reconize the program that is using it
[12:41] <chris> i even tried a reboot
[12:43] <matthew__> chris, I'm no expert, but I think you need to delete the lock files
[12:43] <chris> matthew__, how?
[12:43] <chris> man apt-get?
[12:44] <matthew__> chris, no, let me google around...
[12:45] <matthew__> chris, here you go...second post.      http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156673
[12:45] <chris> thanks
[12:46] <matthew__> chris, np, just remember to pay it forward (the knowledge_
[12:46] <matthew__> )
[12:46] <BrianSteffens> lol
[12:47] <matthew__> BrianSteffens, hey, long time no see...
[12:47] <matthew__> what's up?
[12:48] <BrianSteffens> not much =) configuring a mailserver
[12:48] <Sanne> hi all, my husband's Kubuntu complains about files under /root not writable on KDE start, and indeed the /root folder is gone. Instead there's a /root *file* that's reported several GB big, attributes: ---Sr-srw, date: 2105-12-08. Should I try fsck in the hope it get's repaired? Could this indicate a disk failure coming?
[12:48] <Fir3Ligth> good evening with all you have the good evening of the frog
[12:48] <Fir3Ligth> eaters: ~)
[12:49] <BrianSteffens> O_O lol
[12:49] <Fir3Ligth> i'am sorry i'am french
[12:49] <Fir3Ligth> :)
[12:49] <BrianSteffens> bonjour :o)
[12:50] <Fir3Ligth> I try to speak English very well
[12:51] <BrianSteffens> that was good, even most english speakers would have messed up that sentence by saying 'I try to speak English very good'
[12:51] <BrianSteffens> :)
[12:53] <Fir3Ligth> yes I know I do not speak time too well that I translate
[12:53] <TheDebugger> Je suis un canadien :D
[12:53] <TheDebugger> Quebecois plutot :D
[12:53] <Fir3Ligth> okay TheDebugger
[12:53] <Fir3Ligth> :)
[12:53] <Fir3Ligth> speah franais alors
[12:54] <TheDebugger> Fir3Ligth: Pourtant, c'est vrai :/
[12:54] <Fir3Ligth> d'accord
[12:54] <jman> anyone able to install flash 9 beta
[12:54] <BrianSteffens> je ne parle pas francais :o( je voudrais parle francais =/
[12:54] <TheDebugger> jman: Just enable the backports repository and install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:55] <Fir3Ligth> content de faire connaissance avec quelqu'un qui parle #french"
[12:55] <Fir3Ligth> :)
[12:55] <jman> how to enable backports repository?
[12:55] <gustavo> alguien habla castellano?
[12:55] <TheDebugger> Fir3Ligth: C'est bien en effet, viens dans #ubuntu-fr si tu n'y est pas deja
[12:55] <intelikey> maybe i'm back.
[12:56] <Fir3Ligth> do you speak english TheDebugger
[12:56] <TheDebugger> Fir3Ligth: Je me debrouille :)
[12:56] <Fir3Ligth> okay
[12:56] <Fir3Ligth> comme moi
[12:57] <jman> can someone explain in english how to enable the backports repositories
[12:57] <brandon_> how do I disable tray flashing
[12:57] <TheDebugger> jman: In adept_manager, somewhere in the menus, there's "repositories". Then you right-click on the repositories you want to enable and select "Enable" from the menu
[12:57] <Fir3Ligth> BrianSteffens: you want that I learn how to you to speak French???
[12:57] <Fir3Ligth> 
[12:57] <Fir3Ligth> I am a good professor
[12:57] <BrianSteffens> Fir3Ligth: oui :)
[12:57] <Fir3Ligth> sorry
[12:57] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:58] <TheDebugger> jman: And don't forget to click the apply button after enabling them
[12:58] <intelikey> jman add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:58] <Fir3Ligth> BrianSteffens
[12:58] <Fir3Ligth> 
[12:58] <Fir3Ligth> you have an address
[12:58] <Fir3Ligth> arf
[12:58] <Fir3Ligth> sorry i go in my bed
[12:58] <Fir3Ligth> lol
[12:58] <brandon_> does anyone know how to disable tray flashing?
[12:58] <intelikey> that assumes edgy  if dapper  then  s/edgy/dapper/ ^
[12:59] <BrianSteffens> Fir3Ligth briansteffens@gmail.com <- pour email
[12:59] <Fir3Ligth> ok thank you
[12:59] <BrianSteffens> =] 
[01:01] <MidMark> how can I talk to someone with konversation, knowing its name that it's in another channel?
[01:01] <BrianSteffens> MidMark: type /msg theirnamehere a message
[01:02] <MidMark> BrianSteffens: thx
[01:03] <Fir3Ligth> you have an adress m$n BrianSteffens
[01:04] <BrianSteffens> Fir3Ligth: bgsteffens@hotmail.com pour msn
[01:04] <Fir3Ligth> merci
[01:04] <Fir3Ligth> thank you
[01:04] <BrianSteffens> =)
[01:09] <intelikey> hmmm /var/auth.log has several  "localhost PAM-env[29437] : No such user!? "   messages.   anyone know if that's important or not ?
[01:10] <intelikey> will pam still work properly or should i look into fixing that ?
[01:11] <crimsun> intelikey: is libpam-foreground installed?
[01:12] <intelikey> crimsun yessir        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[01:12] <khayleus> what is the recommended way to install kubuntu from ubuntu? just install "kubuntu-desktop"?
[01:13] <intelikey> khayleus yes
[01:13] <khayleus> intelikey: using apt-get?
[01:13] <intelikey> khayleus or you don't need all kubuntu-desktop really.   might just install    kde
[01:13] <khayleus> will I get all the standard install kubuntu apps if I do that?
[01:14] <intelikey> khayleus yes dpkg via your favorite frontend
[01:14] <intelikey> with kubuntu-desktop you will
[01:14] <intelikey> with kde you get all the kde apps and keep your ubuntu default apps as well
[01:15] <khayleus> but kubuntu-desktop would remove some of them?
[01:15] <intelikey> well you keep them if you install kubuntu-desktop too but they fall from default to secondary
[01:15] <khayleus> ah, yeah thats not so bad (actually I would prefer that)
[01:15] <intelikey> khayleus one could install kubuntu-desktop and kde   :)
[01:16] <intelikey> would pull in a few goodies you might like.
[01:16] <khayleus> ah righto, I'll try that, thanks intelikey
[01:16] <intelikey> np
[01:18] <intelikey> crimsun any further thoughts ?
[01:18] <khayleus> 400mb will take a couple of hours to download :)
[01:19] <matthew__> BrianSteffens, why did you give Fir3lite your email addy?
[01:19] <zero-9376> does anyone here use azureus on kubuntu
[01:19] <BrianSteffens> matthew__ teach each other languages ;P
[01:19] <intelikey> khayleus i'd make sure you have the updates and security repos enabled for main and universe at least... "before you dl"   :)
[01:20] <TheDebugger> zero-9376: Why?
[01:20] <khayleus> yep, have done
[01:20] <zero-9376> mine wouldnt start at first and now if shows an azureus failed to start message that wont go away
[01:20] <TheDebugger> zero-9376: Is your java vm installed correctly?
[01:20] <TheDebugger> zero-9376: because *ubuntu comes without java
[01:21] <zero-9376> i dont know i just installed the dependencies, didnt do anything else
[01:21] <intelikey> !java
[01:21] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:21] <matthew__> BrianSteffens, oh, ok...was wondering for a sec...
[01:21] <BrianSteffens> matthew__ hehe
[01:22] <khayleus> I rather like Rufus for bittorrent, kind of like azureus but without the java deps
[01:22] <zero-9376> is that in the repos?
[01:23] <crazy_bus> I have no idea what caused this but half of my programs suddenly won't work.  And when I type the program name (firefox, gimp) I get the following error.
[01:23] <khayleus> not sure if it is in the repos
[01:23] <crazy_bus> gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: Input/output error
[01:23] <zero-9376> i have universe and multiverse repos and it didnt show up
[01:23] <zero-9376> im checking what java stuff i have installed now
[01:24] <fdoving> crazy_bus: from the commandline run 'sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0;sudo apt-get -f install'
[01:24] <khayleus> it isn't, but one can download it from the web site
[01:24] <tux_> hello all
[01:24] <fdoving> crazy_bus: you might actually want --reinstall too, like this:  'sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2.0-0;sudo apt-get -f install'
[01:24] <khayleus> could have swarn I saw it in revu once though
[01:25] <intelikey> zero-9376 sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgdk-pixbuf2      see if it helps ya
[01:26] <intelikey> err crazy_bus ^
[01:26] <intelikey> sorry zero-9376 !
[01:27] <zero-9376> installing blackdown runtime environemtn and uninstalling gij
[01:28] <crazy_bus> Thank you all for your help.  intelikeys command got it working again. :)
[01:29] <intelikey> yeah sorry i misaddressed that
[01:30] <giobalot> j craiova
[01:30] <TheDebugger> zero-9376: Why don't you install the real jvm?
[01:31] <zero-9376> i just read on my trackers forum that someone uses less resources runing azureus under blackdown, and my system doesnt have a lot of resources
[01:31] <intelikey> !ro
[01:31] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[01:32] <zero-9376> id rather not use azureus at all but they have banned ktorrent, rtorrent and i cant get utorrent to work under wine or crossover
[01:33] <crazy_bus> Why have they banned those clients?
[01:33] <zero-9376> apparently reporting bad stats, ive heard the problem with ktorrent is fixed in v2 but they are still banning it for the time being
[01:34] <zero-9376> its the only real problem ive had switching completely to kubuntu on my main pc
[01:34] <intelikey> is that AU wide or just your isp ?
[01:36] <intelikey> or none of my business maybe ?
[01:36] <zero-9376> no just the one tracker that im aware of, apparently others have done the same but are now allowing ktorrent again
[01:36] <zero-9376> just not my tracker :(
[01:36] <intelikey> k
[01:37] <zero-9376> going to get the rufus client as well and see if that will work
[01:38] <zero-9376> worst thing is that ive had to install so much otherwise uneeded stuff just to try and get torrents working
[01:38] <intelikey> ya
[01:46] <Admiral_Chicago> hey all
[01:47] <deboyo> can anyone save their konsole settings as default and have them actually saved?
[01:47] <deboyo> (notably the schema settings)
[01:47] <fermin> alguien que hable espaol?
[01:47] <fdoving> !es | fermin
[01:47] <ubotu> fermin: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:49] <fermin> alguien tiene cuenta de hotmail?
[01:50] <soulrider> fermin, solo ingles en este canal,. para espa~nol usa #kubuntu-es
[01:50] <fermin> ok, muchas gracias!
[01:50] <matthew__> !es | fermin
[01:50] <ubotu> fermin: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:50] <intelikey> what's the "proper" way to re-execute a scritp only one time from within the script ?
[01:51] <intelikey> if ?what? ;then $0 ;fi     ???
[01:51] <soulrider> intelikey: cant you do a for ?
[01:51] <soulrider> Hawkwind: you here ?
[01:51] <intelikey> soulrider probably.  sujestions ?
[01:52] <soulrider> i dont know wnything about scripting
[01:52] <fdoving> intelikey: i'd guess a while would be nice.
[01:52] <intelikey> fdoving but what's the test ?    cause anything you do it's going to do it again in the next instanse   ??
[01:53] <deboyo> intelikey: drop a file in /tmp/?
[01:53] <intelikey> ps -p $PPID | grep bash > /dev/null && $0    <<<< that's what iv'e come up with.    is there something better ?
[01:54] <intelikey> maybe >>>>  ps -p $PPID | grep $0 > /dev/null || $0
[01:55] <intelikey> ?
[01:56] <intelikey> this seems to work and would not be bash dependant.
[01:56] <intelikey> ps -p $PPID | grep `basename $0` > /dev/null || $0
[01:56] <intelikey> but there is most likely a more simple way.
[02:00] <fdoving> intelikey: yes there is, is this bash or dash?
[02:00] <intelikey> fdoving lets say dash
[02:01] <intelikey> fdoving i'd like it to be shell independant as possable
[02:02] <fdoving> ok. for bash something like: i=0;while [ $i -lt 2 ] ;do echo oce;i=$[$i+1] ;done
[02:02] <fdoving> i don't think dash understands the $[$i+i]  part though.
[02:04] <intelikey> ah  silly me.         fdoving you joged my memory.   [ -z "$P ]  && P=y && $0
[02:06] <Rug> Ack, help.  I have just done a reinstall this time to edgy, and now X just displays garbage on the screen.  I have run the dpkg-reconfigure, and edited my xorg.conf down to nill, all to no avail.  The last config attempt locked up my PC (solid red-screen in X untill I could swap tty's and kill it).  Any Advice?
[02:08] <soulrider> !schedule
[02:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[02:09] <Fir3Ligth> bye tous le monde
[02:09] <Fir3Ligth> good nigth
[02:09] <Fir3Ligth> bonne nuit
[02:16] <freeride> whats up everyone
[02:16] <kev1n> nothing...thats the problem
[02:17] <freeride> same as last night
[02:17] <freeride> never got it fixed
[02:17] <kev1n> hahaha
[02:17] <freeride> screensaver wont work
[02:17] <freeride> O think it's those new packages
[02:17] <freeride> I used adept to update
[02:17] <freeride> now my screensaver is borked
[02:18] <nibi> !KDE wallet
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KDE wallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <freeride> anyone have any ideas?
[02:18] <kev1n> not from me...i am a newbie to this
[02:19] <freeride> dang
[02:19] <freeride> any non-newbies 'ere?
[02:19] <fdoving> freeride: kdewallet problems?
[02:19] <nibi> no that was me i believe
[02:19] <eilker> hi, /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,uid=0,gid=46,noauto,rw,nouser 0 1  // i dont want to be checked filesystem in this drive, what can i do ?
[02:20] <freeride> no, screensaver probs
[02:20] <freeride> I used adept to update 58 packages and now my screen saver is borked
[02:20] <eilker> it takes too much time in booting
[02:20] <fdoving> freeride: feisty?
[02:21] <freeride> huh?
[02:21] <freeride> feisty?
[02:21] <freeride> whats that?
[02:21] <freeride> I'm using dapper :-p
[02:21] <eilker> new version
[02:21] <freeride> dapper
[02:21] <fdoving> then I have no idea, sorry.
[02:22] <nibi> kde wallet is so lame, i was signed in to kopete while my friend was using my computer for a bit, just to google something. So he clicks on the wallet and just saw the password right there!
[02:22] <freeride> hmm, anyone with any ideas?
[02:22] <freeride> yeah, I havent had luck with the wallet either
[02:22] <freeride> I dont trust stuff like that
[02:22] <freeride> my password wallet is my brain
[02:23] <Theory> nibi: you can set it not to appear in the tray
[02:23] <Theory> then tracking down the passwords is harder
[02:23] <eilker> fdoving: could u help me pls ? it is win xp drive
[02:23] <fdoving> eilker: sorry, going to bed.
[02:23] <nibi> yea but the fact that it shows the password just like that isn't too comforting
[02:23] <eilker> fdoving: thanx anyway
[02:24] <freeride> ok, lets focus on my screensaver here people
[02:24] <nibi> freeride: what screensaver is it?
[02:24] <freeride> all of tem, they quit working
[02:24] <freeride> I think it happened when I used adept to update 58 packages
[02:25] <nibi> If you go to configure desktop and test from there
[02:25] <nibi> what happens?
[02:25] <freeride> the test works
[02:25] <freeride> 90% of them work during the test
[02:25] <freeride> fireworks was working just fine, kicking in after 9min of inactivity
[02:26] <freeride> but now it quit working
[02:26] <freeride> I'm thinking it's the updates
[02:26] <Ash-Fox> Anyone happen to know of a method to try to get the xserver to fall back onto a vesa driver if something goes wrong?
[02:26] <nibi> what happens now?
[02:26] <nibi> ur monitor turns off?
[02:26] <freeride> no, I have the powersaving disabled
[02:26] <freeride> just nothing
[02:26] <freeride> nothing happens at all
[02:26] <nibi> hmmm weird
[02:27] <freeride> like I said, I had fireworks working but I'd be happy with clock right now
[02:27] <nibi> have you tried clicking on defaults in configure desktop?
[02:27] <freeride> I need some advanced kubuntu'ers on this task pronto
[02:28] <freeride> defaults? hmm, no, I didnt want to reset my settings but I guess it'd be better to try that then to do a re-install and skip the updfates...
[02:28] <freeride> do all of you guys and galls use adept?
[02:28] <nibi> yea plus its only display settings
[02:29] <kev1n> yes freeride
[02:29] <freeride> ha, I clicked defaults and all it did was distroy my backround
[02:29] <freeride> nothing else changed
[02:30] <freeride> this is irking me
[02:30] <freeride> any advanced kubuntu gurus in here?
[02:31] <freeride> lol
[02:31] <freeride> I guess we're just a channel full of newbs telling eachother our problems! :-D haha
[02:33] <eilker> is 2 minutes 25 seconds boot time normal for a system which has lamp server ,ftp server ,dns server ,vmware server ?
[02:34] <freeride> sounds reasonable
[02:34] <freeride> I dont know anything though, I cant even fix my screensaver
[02:37] <freeride> hello nolesmo
[02:37] <freeride> hello everyone
[02:37] <freeride> ane anyone
[02:38] <freeride> haha, I thought this was the support channel :-/
[02:38] <coreymon77> hi
[02:38] <coreymon77> freeride: what do you need
[02:38] <freeride> hi
[02:39] <freeride> my screensaver quit working
[02:39] <coreymon77> what do you mean quit working
[02:39] <freeride> I think it happened when I used adept to update 58 packages
[02:39] <freeride> it quit working, none of them will work anymore
[02:39] <coreymon77> what did you do, upgrade to edgy?
[02:39] <freeride> they all work when you click the test though
[02:39] <kai> hello every one..
[02:39] <freeride> no, I think I'm stillu sing dapper
[02:39] <coreymon77> hi kai
[02:40] <freeride> how do I check?
[02:40] <kai> Is there a "download manager for kubunut?
[02:40] <HymnToLife> KGet
[02:40] <HymnToLife> should be installed by default
[02:40] <njee> actually I'm not sure it is....
[02:41] <kai> is there where I can download many things at once kinda like get right?
[02:41] <HymnToLife> exactly
[02:41] <njee> haha
[02:41] <njee> sorry man, I can't read :)
[02:41] <coreymon77> freeride: check in your apt sources.list file
[02:41] <kai> what about wireless? I have  anet gear atheros based card?
[02:41] <freeride> how do I find that?
[02:41] <HymnToLife> that doesn't matter
[02:41] <freeride> where is it
[02:41] <kai> the link and power lights blink back and forth..is there anything I can do to et this to work?
[02:41] <coreymon77> kai:  an atheros based card should work automatically
[02:42] <coreymon77> okay
[02:42] <njee> "sudo apt-get install kget" without the quotes should hook you up with kget in the command line
[02:42] <kai> I can find networks
[02:42] <coreymon77> kai: do you know what the name of your network is
[02:42] <kai> I just connect to them
[02:42] <kai> i called it swap.net
[02:42] <coreymon77> your essid is swap.net
[02:42] <coreymon77> ?
[02:42] <njee> kai: is this a wireless network?
[02:43] <kai> yes
[02:43] <coreymon77> okay
[02:43] <kai> w/ my card I can see it, juts not connect to it
[02:43] <coreymon77> kai: for example, my essid (or network name) is cohens
[02:43] <coreymon77> okay
[02:43] <Novanosi1> !flash 9
[02:43] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[02:44] <kai> what else do I need to connect to it?
[02:44] <Jonty> How can I run an autoupdater in the background on Kubuntu?
[02:44] <coreymon77> do you have the name?
[02:44] <HymnToLife> what happens when you try to connect ?
[02:44] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: ill take care of this, i have an atheros based caqrd
[02:44] <kai> coreymon77:  one sec
[02:46] <kai> coreymon77: my led are still blinking, I just get a "Connection failed" error
[02:46] <kai> do I need to take off my WEP?
[02:46] <coreymon77> okay kai, listen, do you know the network name (the essid)] 
[02:46] <coreymon77> no
[02:46] <kai> coreymon77: yes
[02:46] <kai> coreymon77:  I named it myself
[02:47] <coreymon77> kai: you need to know two things, the essid and the wep key
[02:47] <coreymon77> you do have a wep key right?
[02:47] <kai> I made the ssid and the WEP key myself
[02:47] <kai> no
[02:47] <kai> I know the pass phrase
[02:47] <kai> I need to the hex numbers huh
[02:48] <kai> I inserter my my WEP
[02:49] <coreymon77> dont tell me it
[02:49] <kai> Do i need to check the ascii box or leave it un-checked?
[02:50] <coreymon77> leave it'
[02:51] <coreymon77> so kai, you know your essid and your wep key correct?
[02:51] <kai> coreymon77: I took off the wep and I still can't get on it
[02:51] <kai> coreymon77: I see it on my list as being un-protected wlan
[02:52] <coreymon77> kai: put the wep back on
[02:52] <kai> coreymon77: ok...now what
[02:53] <coreymon77> okay
[02:53] <coreymon77> now
[02:53] <coreymon77> in a terminal window
[02:54] <coreymon77> type the following command, replacing the stuff in the square brackets with the proper info
[02:54] <kai> coreymon77: ok...Im ready
[02:54] <kai> ..when you are
[02:54] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ath0 essid [your essid]  key [your wep key] 
[02:54] <coreymon77> so for example
[02:54] <coreymon77> with a network called blah with a key of 1234567890
[02:55] <coreymon77> it would read
[02:55] <coreymon77> iwconfig ath0 essid blah key 1234567890
[02:56] <kai> ok, I did it
[02:56] <coreymon77> i mean
[02:56] <coreymon77> did you put sudo in front?
[02:56] <kai> Was I supposed to get a message or something when I pressed enter?
[02:56] <kai> Im already sudo user
[02:56] <kai> I was doing something else
[02:56] <kai> ...in sude
[02:56] <kai> o
[02:56] <coreymon77> okay
[02:56] <coreymon77> now it should work
[02:57] <kai> my lights on my card are still blinking
[02:57] <kai> is that ok?
[02:57] <coreymon77> w/e
[02:57] <coreymon77> so are the ones on mine
[02:57] <kai> lol, really thats weird as hell
[02:58] <kai> it still failed :(
[02:58] <coreymon77> its not working?
[02:59] <kai> my key is 26 chars do I need to change it to 10 or something
[03:00] <coreymon77> its hex right?
[03:00] <kai> yes
[03:00] <coreymon77> oh
[03:00] <coreymon77> well mines a 10 char
[03:01] <kai> ok, Imma change my wep to 64bit instead then
[03:02] <kai> unser security from my client manager should it be open or shared?
[03:03] <doopy> hey friends. i have a problem connecting to the internet on a wired connection in kubuntu
[03:03] <doopy> the light for my connection is on on the router and i have an ip but i can't get konqueror to pull up any webpages or connect to my aim account on kopete
[03:04] <HymnToLife> doopy, can you ping websites ?
[03:04] <HymnToLife> by URL and by IP
[03:05] <kai> coreymon77: do I need to setup my card in some other way
[03:05] <coreymon77> no
[03:05] <doopy>  what's the command for that
[03:05] <doopy> ping google.com
[03:05] <doopy> ?
[03:05] <coreymon77> atheros cards work automatically
[03:05] <HymnToLife> yep
[03:05] <doopy> says unknown host google.com
[03:05] <kai> I have a linksys router, will that make any kind of diffrence
[03:05] <HymnToLife> and ping 209.85.135.104 ?
[03:06] <doopy> says operation not permitted
[03:06] <coreymon77> kai: did you make the new wep key?
[03:06] <kai> I think  I know what the prob might have been
[03:07] <coreymon77> one question kai
[03:07] <kai> I had people in my wifi and I had certain thigns disabled
[03:07] <kai> yes I did
[03:07] <coreymon77> how are you talking with us if your internet is not working?
[03:07] <doopy> i installed guarddog
[03:07] <kai> Its only 10 chars
[03:07] <doopy> maybe it's that
[03:07] <kai> no
[03:07] <kai> In on wired lan
[03:07] <HymnToLife> yeah, maybe
[03:07] <kai> but I want my wifi
[03:07] <coreymon77> oh
[03:07] <coreymon77> now
[03:07] <coreymon77> go back to konsole
[03:07] <doopy> yea it was
[03:07] <doopy> :
[03:07] <kai> I disable certain wifi deals on my rotuer
[03:07] <coreymon77> and do the iwconfig thing
[03:08] <coreymon77> again
[03:08] <kai> ok
[03:08] <coreymon77> and use your new key
[03:08] <kai> coreymon77: Your freakin awsome
[03:09] <coreymon77> it works?
[03:09] <kai> there was 2 probs
[03:09] <kai> yes'sir
[03:09] <kai> People were leaching my wifi at first and I had it disable by mac address unless I put them on my table and the key deal
[03:10] <kai> coreymon77: ...many praises now I can use it at school
[03:10] <coreymon77> okay
[03:10] <coreymon77> now look
[03:10] <coreymon77> kai:  unless you want to have to type that command every time turn on your computer
[03:11] <coreymon77> do this
[03:11] <kai> coreymon77: ...ready when you are
[03:11] <zero-9376> anyone installed the latest azureus, my tracker has banned all but the latest version
[03:11] <bobby> i have problems with streaming media. every media type works fine in totem(gstreamer backend) gxine/amarok(xine backend) exept for streams.
[03:12] <bobby> the players seem to play them but there is simply no sound
[03:13] <crimsun> do you have the codecs installed?
[03:13] <crimsun> i.e., gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and libxine-extracodecs, respectively
[03:13] <bobby> yes btw the players should complain about missing codecs than
[03:14] <coreymon77> kai: go to the directory /etc/network
[03:14] <bobby> they do not they play the stream but there is nothing comming out of my speakers
[03:14] <crimsun> bobby: are the stream audible via xmms or mpg123?
[03:14] <kai> coreymon77: I'm there
[03:14] <bobby> 
[03:14] <bobby> 
[03:14] <coreymon77> kai: okay, right click on the interfaces fiel
[03:15] <bobby>  crimsun what do you mean?
[03:15] <coreymon77> go to the actions submenu, and then clik on edit as root
[03:15] <bobby> the streams them self are fine on my gentoo desktop they play ok
[03:15] <crimsun> bobby: reproduce the symptom with xmms and mpg123
[03:15] <kai> coreymon77: ...im there
[03:15] <bobby> will try that hang on
[03:16] <coreymon77> kwrite is open?
[03:16] <kai> yep
[03:16] <coreymon77> okay
[03:16] <coreymon77> the last two lines in that file are
[03:17] <coreymon77> wireless-key s:[your wep key] 
[03:17] <coreymon77> auto
[03:17] <coreymon77> i mean
[03:17] <coreymon77> and
[03:17] <coreymon77> auto ath0
[03:17] <coreymon77> right
[03:17] <coreymon77> ?
[03:17] <kai> my last 2 lines are:
[03:17] <kai> auto wlan0
[03:17] <kai> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[03:17] <coreymon77> okay
[03:18] <coreymon77> is there a section that starts with iface ath0 inet static
[03:18] <kai> no
[03:18] <kai> they all end in inet dhcp
[03:19] <coreymon77> oaky
[03:19] <coreymon77> oh ya
[03:19] <coreymon77> thats good
[03:19] <coreymon77> is there a section that starts with iface ath0 inet dhcp?
[03:20] <kai> yes: the 3rd and 4th lines
[03:20] <coreymon77> okay
[03:21] <coreymon77> so the first line is iface ath0 inet dhcp right?
[03:21] <aztek> so CD or DVD release? what's the bonus of having a DVD copy?
[03:21] <kai> no that line is on 9th and 10th line
[03:22] <kai> and it only appears one time close to the bottom, but that line does appear
[03:22] <coreymon77> okay
[03:22] <coreymon77> so the ninth line is iface ath0 inet dhcp right?
[03:23] <kai> yes
[03:23] <bobby> crimsun: xmms plays it ok
[03:23] <coreymon77> what is the 10th line?
[03:24] <bobby> why does amarok screw up it looks like its doing everything it should do
[03:24] <kai> auto ath0
[03:24] <kai> iface ath0 inet dhcp
[03:24] <kai> those are lines 10 and 11
[03:24] <shadowhywind> what repositiory is wine in? i can't seam to find it for the life of me
[03:24] <coreymon77> okay
[03:24] <kai> shadowhywind: I can get it to you
[03:25] <coreymon77> copy all the contents of that file
[03:25] <coreymon77> go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:25] <coreymon77> im mean
[03:25] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:25] <shadowhywind> kai well i could easyly just download it myself and compile it, but i know its supposed to be in the repo's and i can't find it
[03:25] <coreymon77> copy and paste all the contents of the interfaces file
[03:26] <kai> shadowhywind: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt
[03:26] <kai> corey
[03:26] <coreymon77> yup
[03:26] <kai> coreymon77: one sec
[03:27] <shadowhywind> kai what do i do with that link?
[03:27] <kai> shadowhywind: the other is: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt
[03:27] <kai> put it in your repo
[03:28] <kai> coreymon77: here ya go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39393/
[03:28] <shadowhywind> as i am doing that, I allready know the answer, but i am hoping there is a different answer then no., Is there a way to upgrade from 32 to 64 bit
[03:29] <kai> shadowhywind: i DONT no
[03:30] <kai> i cant help wit that that
[03:30] <kai> sorry
[03:30] <coreymon77> okay kai, put the auto ath0 line after the iface ath0 inet dhcp line
[03:30] <kai> you mean that command you told me to type in?
[03:30] <coreymon77> no
[03:30] <coreymon77> in the interfaces file
[03:31] <shadowhywind> because i have my 32-bit version setup perfectly, and i want to swich to 64 now that i know my wireless will work. And i am just to lazy to do a full reinstall
[03:31] <coreymon77> you see how it says auto ath0 and then on the next line iface ath0 inet dhcp?
[03:31] <rEvolution27> i know i'm hopless but.... if i download a program (.tar.gz ) and i extract it.. how do i install the program?
[03:31] <shadowhywind> ./configure, make, make install
[03:32] <kai> just put that online to the bottom of that part
[03:32] <kai> just reverse them right?
[03:32] <coreymon77> yup
[03:33] <kai> ok, did that
[03:33] <coreymon77> and then in between the two lines
[03:33] <coreymon77> put
[03:33] <coreymon77> up /sbin/iwconfig $IFACE essid [your essid]  key [your key] 
[03:34] <kai> the word 'up' as well
[03:34] <bobby> crimsun: i cant find any extra codec packages for xine
[03:35] <bobby> anyway i thing the problem isnt in those packages
[03:35] <coreymon77> yup
[03:35] <kai> coreymon77: ok i did it
[03:35] <coreymon77> save it
[03:36] <kai> its saved
[03:36] <coreymon77> and restart your computer and see if you auto connect to the internet
[03:36] <coreymon77> if your dont
[03:36] <coreymon77> type in the iwconfig command and tell me
[03:36] <kai> ok
[03:36] <kai> brb :)
[03:36] <coreymon77> and restart your computer and see if you auto connect to your wireless that is
[03:39] <crimsun> bobby: libxine-extracodecs would be in multiverse, but you said you have it installed.
[03:41] <kai> coreymon77: Gud news is it connected when I got my connection
[03:41] <dettoaltrimenti_> how do I install from a tar.gz file?
[03:41] <coreymon77> yay
[03:41] <kai> but it didnt automatically just connect tho
[03:41] <kai> but thats cool tho
[03:41] <coreymon77> did you have to type in the command?
[03:41] <kai> no
[03:42] <BrianSteffens> dettoaltrimenti_ do tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz
[03:42] <nalioth> crimsun: got a minute?
[03:42] <dettoaltrimenti_> do I not need sudo?
[03:42] <BrianSteffens> that'll extract, go into that folder, check for README or INSTALL files.. but usually you'll do './configure', make, then make install
[03:42] <dettoaltrimenti_> ah ok gotcha
[03:42] <BrianSteffens> probably for the 'make install'
[03:42] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks
[03:42] <nalioth> dettoaltrimenti_: one should look for an ubuntu package first, though
[03:43] <BrianSteffens> yes yes, look for that first.
[03:43] <kai> coreymon77: will I be able to connect to my school network?
[03:43] <coreymon77> okay then
[03:43] <coreymon77> kai: ya
[03:43] <kai> there is no web but to actually get on I just put in a id and pass
[03:43] <coreymon77> just type in the iwconfig
[03:43] <coreymon77> command
[03:43] <kai> So now I can connect any netwoerk regardless?
[03:43] <crimsun> nalioth: hi
[03:44] <kai> can you type out that command so I can save it to a file
[03:44] <coreymon77> as long as you know the essid and wep key (if there is one)
[03:44] <kai> what if theres not?
[03:44] <coreymon77> then just leave out the key part
[03:44] <coreymon77> oh ya
[03:44] <kai> ok
[03:44] <nalioth> crimsun: i've got sound out of my galeon web browser, cplay, mpg123/321 and none from any other gui media player (no startup sound, either) any ideas?
[03:44] <coreymon77> you also need to knwo the type of wireless card it is
[03:44] <coreymon77> but is this a laptop you are on?
[03:44] <kai> yea
[03:45] <coreymon77> okay then
[03:45] <coreymon77> sall you need to knwo is the essid and the wep key
[03:45] <kai> nice
[03:45] <coreymon77> if there is a wep key
[03:45] <crimsun> nalioth: cat /proc/asound/{modules,version} && lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[03:45] <coreymon77> type
[03:45] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ath0 essid [the essid]  key [the wep key] 
[03:46] <coreymon77> if there isnt a wep key
[03:46] <coreymon77> just type
[03:46] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ath0 essid [the essid] 
[03:46] <nalioth> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc3 (Mon Nov 07 13:30:21 2005 UTC).
[03:46] <nalioth> i hate line breaks
[03:46] <dettoaltrimenti_> nalioth: I'm trying to install OpenArena, didn't find an ubuntu install, and there is no documentation on how to install in the tar.gz
[03:47] <nalioth> dettoaltrimenti_: i'm just now reading up on that (must be the digg effect)
[03:47] <dettoaltrimenti_> heh yeah ok
[03:47] <leileiloll> yeah i just replaced the site with something cooked up in a text editor
[03:47] <kai> will this work if it was WPA and not WEP?
[03:51] <coreymon77> kai: i think
[03:52] <kai> coreymon77: have you set up jpysticks in linux I have zsnes rom but I dont know to get my controllers working
[03:53] <coreymon77> kai: sorry, dunno
[03:53] <kai> coreymon77: lol, its ight, I got the huge part working
[03:53] <kai> HOOra
[03:54] <robin_> anyone using apollon in edgy?
[03:54] <kai> Thank you much kind sagew
[03:54] <kai> *sage
[03:54] <coreymon77> no problem kai
[03:54] <kai> its like pulling teeth
[03:55] <kai> coreymon77: I like linux but some of the smallest thing like wifi works automagically in Windows. You have to really wanna stick with it
[03:55] <kai> The workst part is I wanna be a programmer, and I still can't figure out things like that
[03:57] <coreymon77> kai: the wifi works automatically too
[03:57] <coreymon77> you just need to put in a tiny command
[03:57] <aztek> i can get my wifi setup on my ubuntu computers in the time it takes for me to run a Win driver installer now t
[03:57] <aztek> wasn't always that tho :)
[03:57] <coreymon77> of course
[03:58] <kai> well, I couldnt not figure out the ndiswrapper at all
[03:58] <kai> so I got the athero based card
[03:58] <coreymon77> ndiswrapper is a pain
[03:58] <coreymon77> thats why i researched which card i should get before getting a new one
[03:58] <kai> had coreymon77 not told me about that command I woulda been stuck like chuck with 2 wifi cards I coulndt use
[03:58] <rEvolution27> can someone tell me how to install this? msg me plz thank you
[03:58] <rEvolution27> http://icculus.org/neverball/
[03:59] <eilker> !raid
[03:59] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:02] <kai> luv linux
[04:03] <kai> all these great programs all integrated, for free/no spyware/no viruses
[04:04] <kai> I upgraded my connection
[04:05] <kai> I download over 1000 Kbs/sec, its great
[04:06] <bobby> ok this is rediculous there is no good reason for amarok or other xine based apps to screw up on streams
[04:06] <bobby> any one else out here with the same problem?
[04:09] <dettoaltrimenti_> does the command './configure' work on kubuntu?
[04:09] <crazy_bus> It did for me
[04:11] <dettoaltrimenti_> ok, do you configure tar files?
[04:12] <crazy_bus> I untar the .tar file before installing them
[04:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> :( I can't get this game to install
[04:19] <crazy_bus> What game?
[04:19] <coreymon77> dettoaltrimenti_: whats the name of the game?
[04:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> openarena
[04:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> just read about it on digg
[04:20] <nalioth> dettoaltrimenti_: join me in #ubuntu-classroom please
[04:20] <crazy_bus> There is a get deb of that file
[04:20] <crazy_bus> http://www.getdeb.net/
[04:21] <crazy_bus> http://www.getdeb.net/getdeb.php?file=openarena_0.6.0-1getdeb1_i386.deb
[04:22] <leileiloll> thank you, i will add that to my mirrors list
[04:23] <jan> is there a default username and password for Kubuntu 6.10?
[04:24] <soulrider> no jan
[04:24] <jan> I just installed from the alternate disc and can't log in
[04:24] <soulrider> you ahve to set up a user and his/her apss when you install
[04:24] <soulrider> jan: i never used hte alternate CD, i might be wrong
[04:25] <praetor> if i get the adept source through apt-get, how can I compile it?
[04:25] <jan> unless I'm losing my mind, I didn't get the user setup option during install
[04:25] <coreymon77> why dont you just install adept through apt?
[04:26] <spitwise_> anyone have any experience with a font manager?
[04:26] <praetor> coreymon77: i've finished writing the c++ part of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpdateManager and need to add my code to adept
[04:27] <praetor> coreymon77: i'm just not sure how to compile adept
[04:28] <kai> does anyone know of a program to where I can combine videos or a video editor or something like that
[04:28] <soulrider> ./configure, make, checkinstall ? =/
[04:28] <praetor> soulrider: there is no configure
[04:28] <soulrider> uhm...
[04:28] <soulrider> make ?
[04:29] <soulrider> i really have no idea :P
[04:29] <praetor> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[04:29] <praetor> no makefile
[04:29] <soulrider> well, if you program in c++
[04:29] <soulrider> how do you usually ompile programs ?
[04:30] <praetor> soulrider: most programs come with a configure script and such
[04:30] <soulrider> i know
[04:30] <soulrider> do you think you can make your own configure script ?
[04:30] <soulrider> or makefile ?
[04:30] <praetor> soulrider: I just use KDevelop, it handles all of the autotools nastyness
[04:31] <praetor> anyway, someone must know how to compile it.
[04:32] <praetor> theres no INSTALL file either
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> praetor: any README or INSTALL file in the root directory of the rarball
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> tarball*
[04:33] <rEvolution27> where can i find one of those neat system performance monitor thingys eveyone has on their desktop? msg me plz thx
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> praetor: might be using qmake
[04:33] <praetor> Linux_Galore: only a TODO, NEWS and COPYING
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> praetor: anything on the home page
[04:34] <praetor> Linux_Galore: nah, and I don't think qmake is used for KDE3 apps, just for Qt
[04:34] <praetor> doing qmake -project, qmake, make gives a bunch of errors that it cant find the KDE libraries
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> Hi, I am using pretty old laptop (266mhz, 2GB HD, 172MB RAM), I have Windows 98, I cannot boot from CD even though I selected "CD-ROM" in BIOS Settings.  I would appreciate any help.
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: model and make ?
[04:37] <superkirbyartist> Gateway 2000 Solo.
[04:38] <Linux_Galore> superb0wl: there are a bunch of variants under the Solo 2000 series
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> oops
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: : there are a bunch of variants under the Solo 2000 series
[04:39] <intelikey> superkirbyartist is now known as superimpatient  :)
[04:39] <superkirbyartist> No, I'm not impatient, I can live with 98, but crashes when I try to use USB drive.
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: http://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/LLHP/welcome.html
[04:40] <superkirbyartist> Will that help me with Solo 2K?
[04:40] <superkirbyartist> This is all dialup.
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: yeah thos are install notes for different laptop models
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> those*
[04:41] <superkirbyartist> Thank you ^_^ please wish me good luck.
[04:42] <intelikey> superkirbyartist you could start with explaining what windows 98 and a laptop have to do with linux/kubuntu    and assuming there is a connection you could explain what you have tried already in testing.    i.e.   cd is bootable in other boxes and/or other cd's are bootable in the lappy....
[04:43] <superkirbyartist> CD is definitively bootable on other computers.  Windows 98 is installed on laptop, but for compatability's sake, would like Xubuntu (98 is at least 8 years old!).
[04:43] <coreymon77> sadam is dead!
[04:43] <praetor> coreymon77: as if - I saw a news report last night they they couldnt decide who gets to execute him
[04:43] <MrMeh> pics or it didn't happen
[04:43] <praetor> apparently they get about 100+calls a day with volunteers
[04:43] <rEvolution27> oh well it had to happen tonite
[04:44] <dettoaltrimenti6> does everyone here look at digg every 10 minutes, like me?
[04:44] <MrMeh> anyone here familiar with gtkmm?
[04:44] <coreymon77> praetor: cnn.com
[04:44] <intelikey> dettoaltrimenti6 what's digg ?
[04:44] <coreymon77> its all over the news
[04:44] <dettoaltrimenti6> hmm, I should turn on the tv
[04:45] <lombra> oooo i sleep now
[04:45] <lombra> bye f. all...
[04:45] <coreymon77> take a look at www.cnn.com
[04:45] <coreymon77> he is dead!
[04:45] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: the cd should boot according to what Im reading
[04:45] <praetor> wow
[04:45] <superkirbyartist> Linux_Galore:  I have to say many links are 404s.
[04:45] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: yeah the mirror is down
[04:45] <superkirbyartist> Linux_Galore: How to make it boot is the question, I will try to figure it out.
[04:46] <superkirbyartist> Linux_Galore: I found similar working website on google.
[04:46] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: how did you burn the cd
[04:46] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: did you burn the cd as a data cd ?
[04:46] <intelikey> superkirbyartist if it can be set to "none" set the hd to none so bios can't boot it.   linux doesn't depend on bios so it should find it ok.
[04:46] <superkirbyartist> Linux_Galore: CDRW doesn't work with laptop, so used ubuntu to transfer from CDRW to CDR
[04:47] <lombra> coreymon77: executed....
[04:47] <lombra> aff
[04:47] <lombra> i sleep now, this is not just...
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: did you burn the cd as a data cd or as an ISO project ?
[04:47] <praetor>  saddam dead at age 69....what a pimp
[04:47] <lombra> bye.
[04:48] <lombra> praetor: :P
[04:48] <lombra> heheh
[04:48] <MrMeh> how do I change/remove the kubuntu kdm log in screen?
[04:48] <lombra> 69
[04:48] <superkirbyartist> I copied the files.
[04:48] <intelikey> Linux_Galore "<superkirbyartist> CD is definitively bootable on other computers."  so i assume that means what it says.
[04:48] <superkirbyartist> The first ever CD was based on ISO
[04:48] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: cant do that
[04:48] <superkirbyartist> The files are on the CD.
[04:48] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: you you burnt the cd as an ISO project not as a data cd
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: a data cd wont boot
[04:49] <intelikey> is the cd bootable in other boxes or not.  that's the only test needed.
[04:50] <superkirbyartist> intelikey the CD is bootable from others.
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> bugger cant type to save myself today
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> superkirbyartist: sounds like your on the old bios
[04:50] <intelikey> if i lay the cd in a tray and hit the reset, and the box boots the cd  then who cares 'how' it was burned.   it's bootable.
[04:51] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I dont know if he has more than one machine
[04:52] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: also i had a case were the guy coppied a bootable cd but the new one was a "data cd"
[04:52] <intelikey> Linux_Galore one could assume that he does. a lappy with a 2g hd is hardly a cd burning machine.
[04:52] <panpiotr> hi
[04:52] <intelikey> Linux_Galore yes.  but that's why i asked him and two times he confirmed that it is bootable.   so lets just assume that it is.
[04:53] <intelikey> shall we ?
[04:53] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yes, the guy with the data CD also said it was bootable because the "original was"
[04:53] <intelikey> ok you handle it.  i'll shut up.
[04:54] <panpiotr> hehe
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: Im vary wary of what people say is "real" because its often not
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> very*
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: better question may have been "have you put the cd you have just tried into another machine"
[04:56] <intelikey> see pm   and  scroll up for more. ^
[04:59] <Scok> hi
[05:01] <Scok> whats up?
[05:02] <Xal2> Hi
[05:02] <Xal2> I need to reinstall grub, but grub-install wont do it.
[05:03] <Scok> why
[05:04] <Xal2> Why do I need to reinstall grub?
[05:04] <Scok> y
[05:04] <Xal2> My device is /dev/sda, so I tried grub-install /dev/sda, but I get the following error: Not found or not a block device.
[05:05] <Xal2> It is no longer on the MBR.
[05:05] <Xal2> That's usually a good reason.
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: ??  sda1
[05:06] <Xal2> sda1 has windows on it
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> sorry ignore me
[05:06] <Xal2> sda2 has linux on it
[05:06] <Xal2> I'm trying to install to the MBR though, not to a drive.
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> just thinking out loud
[05:06] <intelikey> Xal2 sudo ?
[05:06] <Xal2> Yep
[05:07] <Xal2> well, should I be chrooted into my installation?
[05:07] <intelikey> yes probably.
[05:07] <intelikey> not that it's a must  but it makes it easier.
[05:07] <Xal2> I am
[05:07] <Xal2> hmm
[05:08] <intelikey> and the static device node is there    ?
[05:08] <Xal2> What do you mean?
[05:08] <intelikey> you know udev is what you see in the regular /dev  not the static device nodes.
[05:09] <intelikey> but chroot into the system and no udev is there active.  so you have to have the static device nodes      ls /dev/sda
[05:10] <Xal2> Hmm you're right
[05:10] <intelikey> should be there but on the odd chance it's not ???
[05:10] <Xal2> fdisk doesn't list any partitions
[05:11] <intelikey> fdisk isn't trying to read /dev  it's reading /proc/partitions which isn't mounted in the chroot.
[05:11] <intelikey> fdisk -l
[05:11] <intelikey> cannot open /proc/partitions
[05:12] <intelikey> in the chroot unless you mount it /proc is empty
[05:13] <Xal2> I tried a different way.
[05:13] <Xal2> I hope it worked
[05:13] <Xal2> I've somehow managed to clear my drives with grub, lol
[05:14] <ForgeAus> hmmm... how do I get my Wmaker Menu's back?
[05:14] <Xal2> I like it.
[05:14] <intelikey> and can't use it here.
[05:14] <Xal2> It does what I tell it to.
[05:14] <ForgeAus> intelikey I think it'll get better
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: usually recovering the mbr is 4 steps at the command line
[05:14] <ForgeAus> it has potential
[05:14] <Xal2> Hmm, installing it to my linux drive isn't what I need
[05:15] <Xal2> If I type setup hd0 in grub, what will happen?
[05:15] <intelikey> ForgeAus probably.  but it reads through bios.  as long as that remains constant, it will never be able to boot my system.
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: once the live cd is booted  mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/sda3 /mnt  (isnt Linux on your third partition)
[05:15] <ForgeAus> intelikey??? what do you mean?
[05:15] <ForgeAus> doesn't it have to read through bios?
[05:16] <Xal2> second
[05:16] <ForgeAus> why would that be problematic?
[05:16] <intelikey> ForgeAus lilo doesn't.
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: then edit the command to your liking
[05:16] <intelikey> ForgeAus cause i don't use partitions.
[05:16] <ForgeAus> eek! lilo? ouch!...
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: chroot /mnt
[05:16] <ForgeAus> intelikey? what do you mean you don't use partitions?
[05:16] <Gen0c1d3> just saying hello <3
[05:16] <intelikey> ForgeAus i don't.
[05:17] <ForgeAus> you do have at least one boot partition don't you?
[05:17] <ForgeAus> a system one (even if you got other OS's installed along with it on the same one you have at least one part right?
[05:17] <Xbehave> !webcam
[05:17] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:17] <ForgeAus> how can you NOT have a partition?
[05:17] <intelikey> ForgeAus no.
[05:17] <intelikey> no partition
[05:18] <intelikey> zero not any.
[05:18] <Xal2> Okay, I've chrooted into /mnt
[05:18] <intelikey> none.
[05:18] <dope> can i run kde apps in windows!?
[05:18] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: then cd /mnt/path/to/grub-install
[05:18] <ForgeAus> dope yes
[05:18] <ForgeAus> cygwin
[05:18] <dope> oh :/
[05:18] <Linux_Galore> Xal2:  grub-install /dev/sda
[05:18] <Xal2> okay, i'm there
[05:18] <ForgeAus> its not the greatest yet...
[05:18] <ForgeAus> intelikey how does your system boot without a partition?
[05:19] <Xal2> Not found or not a block device
[05:19] <ForgeAus> do you even use a HDD?
[05:19] <intelikey> ForgeAus lilo.
[05:19] <Xal2> An unpartitioned drive counts as a partition afaik
[05:19] <intelikey> yes
[05:19] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: fdisk -l
[05:19] <intelikey> ForgeAus this box has eight drives in it.
[05:19] <ForgeAus> Xal yes it has a primary partition
[05:19] <Xal2> cannot open /proc/partitions
[05:19] <ForgeAus> intelikey your not making any sense
[05:20] <ForgeAus> a whole drive can be one entire partition
[05:20] <ForgeAus> what filesystem are you using inteli?
[05:20] <Xal2> maybe he has an unformated drive
 An unpartitioned drive counts as a partition afaik <<<<  no.   you can have a single partition and you can have no partition
[05:20] <Xal2> with nothing on it
[05:20] <ForgeAus> ext2? ext3? riser? etc?
[05:20] <Xal2> hmm
[05:20] <Xal2> interesting
[05:20] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: something is seriously broken
[05:20] <Xal2> enlighten us
[05:20] <intelikey> ForgeAus ext2
[05:20] <ForgeAus> unformatted drive?... then how's he storing data on it?
[05:20] <Xal2> Linux_Galore: worked before
[05:20] <ForgeAus> ext2 is a partition type
[05:20] <Xal2> pwnd
[05:20] <Xal2> anyway
[05:21] <Xal2> it lists all my drives outside of the chroot environmen
[05:21] <intelikey> ForgeAus and just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it wont work.
[05:21] <Xal2> t
[05:21] <ForgeAus> a whole drive as ext2 = 1 primary ext2 partition... normally
[05:21] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: yeah run fdisk -l outside
[05:21] <intelikey> ForgeAus no ext2 is a fs type also.
[05:21] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: make sure sda is listed
[05:21] <ForgeAus> intelikey you mean the drive hasn't been formatted?
[05:21] <Xal2> All of my partitions are listed.
[05:22] <Xal2> Yes, /dev/sda1 - 6 are listed
[05:22] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: do they show up as ext3 ?
[05:22] <Xal2> intelikey: how can that be? I'm curious
[05:22] <intelikey> no it is formated.  ext2        like  sudo mke2fs -c /dev/hda
[05:22] <Xal2> sda2 shows up as ext3 and sda5 as swap
[05:22] <ForgeAus> whats mke2fs do? I'm not familiar with the command
[05:23] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: defines a partitions file system type
[05:23] <intelikey> ForgeAus it's the command that mkfs.ext# calls
[05:23] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: in this case ext2
[05:23] <ForgeAus> lol intelikey your just toying with me... you need to explain yourself more for me to understand I think
[05:23] <intelikey> Linux_Galore no it formats "actually makes a file system"
[05:24] <Xal2> I'll see if this fixed it.
[05:24] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I though mkfs doesnt actually do the block work
[05:24] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[05:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus how many partitions does the normal floppy disk have ?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> 1
[05:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus no   0
[05:24] <ForgeAus> serious?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> wow I didn't know that
[05:24] <Xal2> What is the purpose of having no partitions?
[05:24] <intelikey> yes.
[05:24] <Xal2> Oh really?
[05:25] <Xal2> So what is a partition?
[05:25] <Xal2> Linux_Galore: fixed it
[05:25] <intelikey> you can partition a floppy  but by default they have no partition.
[05:25] <Xal2> Thanks for the help though :)
[05:25] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: aah
[05:25] <ForgeAus> I thought you needed to format it (usually in windows it puts a signle fat12?? or something  filesystem on it)
[05:25] <Xal2> I used the grub program, set (hd0,1) as root and setup on hd0
[05:26] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: aah you had hd0,2 or something ?
[05:26] <Xal2> Yes
[05:26] <intelikey> well with linux    the hdd or any other device is only a block specific device node to the system.   you can put partitions there or just format "make a file system"   or even write raw data to it.  with no fs or partitions
[05:26] <Xal2> I was scared of putting hd0 for setup though, because I've had grub wipe my drive before.
[05:26] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: yeah common mistake, grub counts from 0
[05:27] <Xal2> That wasn't it though.
[05:27] <Xal2> I had that right.
[05:27] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: what was it ?
[05:27] <Xal2> before i used: root (hd0,1) setup(hd0,1)
[05:27] <ForgeAus> intelikey so you kinda manually put one single disk with an entire ext2 filesystem without writing to a parittion table...
[05:27] <Xal2> I needed: root (hd0,1) setup (hd0)
[05:28] <intelikey> ForgeAus now you are beginning to see
[05:28] <ForgeAus> as far as I was aware I thought the filesystem itself counted as a partition...
[05:28] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: aah you put grub in the wrong place were the bios cant find it
[05:28] <ForgeAus> apparently not
[05:28] <intelikey> actually there isn't even a partition table    only the file system.
[05:28] <ForgeAus> inteli, do you multiboot? or just one single os?
[05:28] <Xal2> Well, like I said, I'm scared of GRUB.
[05:29] <ForgeAus> Xal don't be scared
[05:29] <ForgeAus> learn!
[05:29] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: the mbr is easily fixed
[05:29] <Xal2> It's not the MBR that I screw up
[05:29] <intelikey> multi-boot.   but like i said there are eight drives in this box.
[05:29] <Xal2> It actually has cleared my hard drive of all its partitions before.
[05:29] <ForgeAus> if you are THAT scared easy way to do it is try virtualization first!
[05:29] <ForgeAus> (ie vmware or Xen or something)
[05:29] <Xal2> MrMeh: no fun in that
[05:29] <ForgeAus> mock up a version and try it there
[05:29] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: grub doesnt actually delete partitions
[05:30] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: fdisk can though
[05:30] <MrMeh> no fun in what?
[05:30] <Xal2> I used grub on my windows partition once
[05:30] <Xal2> All the files went away
[05:30] <ForgeAus> Xal, perhaps because you wrote to the MBR... and it couldn't find your windows anymore
[05:30] <ForgeAus> they didn't exactly go away
[05:31] <Xal2> Nope
[05:31] <ForgeAus> they just weren't being pointed to
[05:31] <intelikey> ForgeAus  and  one drive in this box, actually has a partition table and partitions and M$ file system on one of the partitions.   but i seldom use that drive at all.
[05:31] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: no, every partition has its own mbr, what grub did is muck up the windows stuff on the first cylinder of the partition
[05:31] <Xal2> Maybe
[05:31] <Xal2> Oh
[05:31] <Xal2> Can that be fixed?
[05:31] <ForgeAus> intelikey I can understand that
[05:31] <ForgeAus> but then I'm no purist... lol :)
[05:31] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: yeah XP has a recovery thing on its CD
[05:32] <ForgeAus> I suggest if you come to a point like that you read up first about how to boot an XP partition using Grub before you mess up your MBR
[05:32] <Linux_Galore> the partition mbr has a funny name
[05:32] <Xal2> lol
[05:32] <Xal2> It was on an NTFS partitoin though
[05:32] <Linux_Galore> its not called an mbr but does a similar job
[05:32] <ForgeAus> so
[05:32] <Xal2> not the one windows was on
[05:32] <ForgeAus> doesn't matter the filesystem type
[05:32] <ForgeAus> it matters that the MBR knows where to look
[05:32] <ForgeAus> for what
[05:32] <MrMeh> Xal2, no fun in what?
[05:32] <Xal2> Hmm, the only options I found in the recovery CD were fixboot and fixmbr
[05:32] <Xal2> Oh, in not screwing up
[05:33] <ForgeAus> yup them are the two
[05:33] <Linux_Galore> the mbr is just a pointer
[05:33] <Linux_Galore> for the bios
[05:33] <intelikey> ForgeAus that drive is not the boot drive,   but even if it were.  grub still couldn't boot my linux system because of the lack of partitions
[05:33] <intelikey> speaking of the one with partitions.
[05:33] <ForgeAus> intelikey I have a question for you would it hurt to insert some partition information on your drive?
[05:34] <ForgeAus> then grub could work with it
[05:34] <ForgeAus> partitions afaik seem to have some advantages... in that A) you can organize your drives and filesystems in separate ones...
[05:35] <intelikey> ForgeAus at this point it would.  it would be writen on the same sector as the first copy of the superblock
[05:35] <Linux_Galore> the mbr is too small to actually run a boot loader so most boot loader are multi part, the bios when it does all its rubbish looks at the mbr and says, yep that will run and does so, the mbr contains a very small program that basically says goto this partition and run this app, the app being GRUB
[05:35] <Xal2> ah
[05:35] <intelikey> ForgeAus which would spell desaster  if i didn't know where to find the second copy.
[05:35] <Xal2> So what in the windows recovery cd would rewrite the mbr for a drive that doesn't have windows on it?
[05:36] <ForgeAus> intelikey sounds like it but also sounds very manual ...
[05:36] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: yeah it will rewrite the mbr and try and recover the working partitions for you
[05:36] <ForgeAus> I prefer the easier roads lol
[05:36] <intelikey> mb4 is 512 bites
[05:36] <intelikey> eek mbr is 512 bites
[05:36] <Xal2> Now that makes me hungry
[05:36] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: then you get the Linux cd and recover grub and bingo your working
[05:36] <Xal2> bytes
[05:36] <ForgeAus> you could always use a temporary storage device to copy files to before you do anything to the drive?
[05:37] <Xal2> That would take too long
[05:37] <Xal2> not worth it
[05:37] <Xal2> Not on this computer anyway
[05:37] <Xal2> I always have the important stuff backed up before an event such as this occurs
[05:37] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: or do what I did 6 years ago and just said bugger it and deleted windows lol
[05:37] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes.   but if i added a partition table i'd still have to mke2fs the thing again because of the location of the superblock
[05:38] <ForgeAus> ok so I'll bite (byte? ) whats a superblock?
[05:38] <Xal2> Linux_Galore: I'm a gamer.
[05:38] <ForgeAus> (btw this isn't the first time I've heard of one... I just hadn't really needed to know what it meant before and probably won't remember anyhow...)
[05:38] <Xal2> Linux isn't perfect yet.
[05:38] <ForgeAus> Xal I got news for you
[05:39] <ForgeAus> sometimes its the imperfections that make things perfect! rofl
[05:39] <intelikey> ForgeAus for practical purposes it the *nix equivlent of the  fat  in dos.
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> neither is windows?
[05:39] <Xal2> Nope
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[05:39] <Xal2> they're better in Windows though
[05:39] <ForgeAus> besides Linux will never be "perfect"... nor will any other OS
[05:39] <Xal2> Well, you know what I mean.
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i've been really digging ut2k4 in linux
[05:39] <Xbehave> if i have access to drivers and a windows pc, how much can i find out about a webcam i have?
[05:39] <fowlduck> what is better in windows?
[05:39] <Xal2> Games simply run better in Windows.
[05:39] <Xal2> They are, afterall, written for Windows.
[05:39] <fowlduck> games designed for windows run better in windows, yes
[05:40] <ForgeAus> you mean its where the inode references are stored?
[05:40] <Linux_Galore> ForgeAus: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-unixlinux-filesystem-superblock.html
[05:40] <intelikey> fowlduck the money ?
[05:40] <Xal2> Games written for Linux and Windows run well on both as long as you have an Nvidia gfx card.
[05:40] <fowlduck> but cross-platform games: doom3, enemy territory, ut2k4, are better in linux imo
[05:40] <fowlduck> intelikey: what?
[05:40] <Xal2> That's because you have a bias.
[05:41] <ForgeAus> grrr nvidia :(
[05:41] <Xal2> They run just as well as long as your graphics driver is decent.
 what is better in windows?    <intelikey> fowlduck the money ?
[05:41] <fowlduck> Xal2: actually I have a mac, so no i don't
[05:41] <fowlduck> intelikey: ahhh
[05:41] <Xal2> MrMeh: OSX is unix, and linux is similar.
[05:41] <Xal2> You have a bias >_<
[05:41] <Xal2> I don't play doom3
[05:41] <Xbehave> erm all games are designed for windows
[05:41] <Xal2> I play UT2K4, and Linux performance is pretty good.
[05:42] <MrMeh> when was I talking about OSX and linux?
[05:42] <Xal2> Oh?
[05:42] <Xal2> You weren't.
[05:42] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: OSX is barely unix anymore
[05:42] <MrMeh> ok
[05:42] <Xal2> How about the KDE set of games.
[05:42] <Xal2> They're not for Windows
[05:42] <ForgeAus> intelikey, you mean superblock is where inodes get referenced from?
[05:42] <Xal2> I bet they run better on Linux.
[05:42] <intelikey> ForgeAus yeah
[05:42] <Xal2> WoW plays alright in WINE except for the crackling sound.
[05:42] <intelikey> it's where the information about the fs is stored
[05:42] <ForgeAus> kde games probably run fine in Windows
[05:42] <Xbehave> well all major games UT doom etc, designed for windows
[05:43] <fowlduck> Xal2: you can tweak windows heavily so that those games run as well on windows as they do on linux, but linux tends to be slimmer and more efficient, so games run better in my experience
[05:43] <Xal2> UT has a LInux version.
[05:43] <ForgeAus> there isn't much they do thats superspecial like 3d gfx etc... so if you have cygwin you probably wouldn't see much difference in kde games
[05:43] <fowlduck> UT, Doom 3, Quake 3, Enemy Territory, etc, are cross-platform and run great in linux
[05:43] <ForgeAus> unless you get a special specific kde game with some stuff that cygwin doesnt do (which is probably alot at this stage)
[05:43] <Xal2> yep
[05:43] <Xal2> But C&C Generals sucks in Linux
[05:44] <Xbehave> yes but it is coded for windows, the linux port is a port ots just they are very good quility programs and as a result its easy to port
[05:44] <fowlduck> saying they are designed for windows is wrong
[05:44] <ForgeAus> but I was assuming you meant the average mahjongg, shisenshou, tetris etc pack...
[05:44] <Xbehave> they are tho
[05:44] <fowlduck> nope
[05:44] <fowlduck> they are written to be cross-platform
[05:44] <Linux_Galore> basically a superblock contains metadata
[05:44] <fowlduck> games written for directx are designed for windows
[05:44] <Xal2> Yeah
[05:44] <fowlduck> games written for opengl are designed to be cross-platform
[05:45] <Xal2> I wish more companies would use opengl
[05:45] <ForgeAus> also cygwin is very rpm-based rather than deb... so its a bit of a mismatch with debian-based linux like kubuntu is
[05:45] <fowlduck> me too
[05:45] <Xal2> But no one cares about Linux.
[05:45] <ForgeAus> grrr ogl directx! grrrrr :(
[05:45] <fowlduck> mmm, sorta
[05:45] <Xal2> They could write them for both though.
[05:45] <Xal2> Aren't some games compatible with both?
[05:46] <ForgeAus> Xal some probably are
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> really Linux needs its own version of DirectX
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> and some dev tools
[05:46] <fowlduck> no, no it doesn't
[05:46] <Rug> ForgeAus: yeah those were some kick-ass cards.
[05:46] <ForgeAus> linDX?
[05:46] <Xal2> Lol
[05:46] <ForgeAus> 3DFX rocked
[05:46] <Xal2> Game designers need to stop kissing M$'s ass.
[05:46] <ForgeAus> pity they had no business sense
[05:46] <fowlduck> directX is Microsoft's way of hijacking graphics and making their own closed protocols
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> directx allows a "game maker" to totally ignore all the hardware layer, yes even sound
[05:47] <fowlduck> opengl needs to be more developed
[05:47] <ForgeAus> lol imagine D3D under mono! rofl
[05:47] <fowlduck> and pushed harder
[05:47] <fowlduck> D3D?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> actually I think there is a planned (or current?) wineD3D project
[05:47] <Xal2> Did I say game maker?
[05:47] <Xal2> If I did, I need some sleep.
[05:47] <Linux_Galore> the problem we have now is a game maker just wants to make games he doesnt want to have to worry about all the stupid hardware
[05:48] <Rug> fowlduck: Can you think of a more beautiful game then NeverWinter Nights (OpenGL)
[05:48] <ForgeAus> they also want to get rid of the gecko out of their current msie...
[05:48] <Xbehave> im just looking for an interview that i read, im fairly sure UT is coded primarily for windows then its done verywell and so windows dependancies can be removed or something like that, im not 100% tho
[05:48] <Linux_Galore> and also the dev tools for Windows shit on anything available in Linux
[05:48] <balsamic_chichen> what's the key combinations that takes screen shots when i'm moving the cube with mouse
[05:48] <fowlduck> Rug: more developed does not mean capable of more, it means more mature and easier to harness for development
[05:48] <balsamic_chichen> i know there's the xgl channel, but i'm asking here cuz i think i see alot of pros here =)
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> Microsoft has got this one thing right, if you make the tools the developers will follow
[05:49] <ForgeAus> bals.. in beryl? nice :)
[05:49] <fowlduck> no pros, a lot of prose though
[05:49] <Rug> touche
[05:49] <ForgeAus> LG I agree
[05:49] <ForgeAus> unfortunately
[05:49] <balsamic_chichen> ya in beryl, i wanna take a screen shot of my beryl cube and make it my aim avatar lol
[05:49] <balsamic_chichen> so that's what i was asking what's the key combinations that takes screen shots when i'm moving the cube with mouse
[05:49] <ForgeAus> bals, awesome, I dunno enough about beryl to help you
[05:49] <fowlduck> i can't wait until Iron Python is included in Visual Studio, or is at least easy to install
[05:50] <ForgeAus> I dobut I can do it with my machine anyway
[05:50] <ForgeAus> (I'm running kubuntu under vmware)
[05:50] <Linux_Galore> Linux is nice in concept but without the dev tools and the libs were a sitting duck
[05:50] <balsamic_chichen> thx tho =) i just wanted to try ask first =)
[05:50] <ForgeAus> fowl, yeah that and Haskell!
[05:50] <Xal2> I have one Linux and one Windows computer, both dual boot
[05:50] <ForgeAus> VS is definitely going IronPython, theres already builds withi t built in.. but it will probably go Haskell next
[05:50] <fowlduck> i don't know much about haskell, just that it's some sort of procedural language
[05:50] <Xal2> I have a KVM, so I can use both :)
[05:50] <ForgeAus> no
[05:50] <ForgeAus> Haskell is functional programming language
[05:50] <Xal2> Linux is really easy to setup as a server.
[05:51] <fowlduck> meaning?
[05:51] <ForgeAus> (Python has some basic funcitonal tools)
[05:51] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: it is these days
[05:51] <Xal2> I'm a young newbie
[05:51] <Linux_Galore> Xal2: but just making Linux servers doesnt make Linux great
[05:51] <ForgeAus> its just a programming style as opposed to your usual procedural/modular programming)
[05:51] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: no change that there is a VS build that will run on XP with Iron Python, is there?
[05:51] <Xal2> I know.
[05:51] <ForgeAus> I don't actually understand functional programming myself yet to be honest
[05:51] <Xbehave> http://www.linux-gamers.net/smartsection.item.16/inteview-with-croteam-039-s-vedran-skrnjug.html < from that its quite clear that programs are made for windows and ported to linux
[05:51] <Xal2> I really don't know enough to do much with Linux.
[05:51] <ForgeAus> you can get boo for mono
[05:51] <Xal2> I'm spoiled with Kubuntu.
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> croteam
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (basically python for *nix's vers of .NET)
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> this about serious sam?
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> Xbehave: as long as they use opengl or use an in house widget kit, if they use a purely DX9 setup it doesnt port
[05:52] <ForgeAus> fowl, yes there is, but I wouldn't know where/how to find it
[05:52] <Xbehave> yeah but its the same for most games, the port is just done because its easy
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> right
[05:53] <ForgeAus> its definitely not in the official current VS whats it up to 8? build... but there are custom ones that have IP built in...
[05:53] <fowlduck> Xbehave: heh
[05:53] <Linux_Galore> Xbehave: or if they do try and port the game its a first class pain in the ass
[05:53] <fowlduck> Xbehave: thats dor serious sam
[05:53] <ForgeAus> you'd have to go searching for them tho... becuas like I said I have no idea where/how to find them
[05:53] <ForgeAus> maybe P2P?
[05:53] <ForgeAus> (wouldn't it be fun to do some MS Office addins in python? rofl)
[05:53] <fowlduck> lol yeah
[05:54] <ForgeAus> C isn't so difficult
[05:54] <fowlduck> C is icky
[05:54] <ForgeAus> C++ improves it C# simplifes it
[05:54] <ForgeAus> lol its weird
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> you can learn the basics of C in a month, 1 year to be semi proficient
[05:54] <intelikey> well 50 something is no time to start learning C
[05:54] <Xbehave> yeah i didnt find the UT 1 but the jist is the same, opengl means ports are fairly simple but games still use MS stuff and so need to be ported
[05:54] <fowlduck> just doesn't make much sense anymore unless you need hardware control for some reason
[05:54] <ForgeAus> I was so daunted by all the {}'s in C!
[05:54] <ForgeAus> I still think it makes the code look messy
[05:54] <ForgeAus> I prefer python or pascal
[05:55] <ForgeAus> (chrome isn't too bad for a pascal for Visual Studio)
[05:55] <fowlduck> Xbehave: that's a design decision, when UT was released it was linux-ready.  They code it to make it easily portable, but finish one playform at a time.
[05:55] <ForgeAus> theres also other choices like Component Pascal or just get Delphi
[05:55] <fowlduck> lololol
[05:55] <fowlduck> you mean rails rules
[05:55] <ForgeAus> lol Ruby is kewl I dunno much about it tho
[05:55] <fowlduck> ruby without rails is crap
[05:55] <ForgeAus> personally I think I need to make my own language called saffyr!
[05:56] <fowlduck> do it
[05:56] <ForgeAus> (but someone would probably oudo it and make an emryld!
[05:56] <fowlduck> you know C, right?
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> rails just takes ruby from great to wow man thats just fsking aswome
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> awsome*
[05:56] <fowlduck> no, before rails ruby was crap
[05:56] <ForgeAus> (play on Perl and Ruby.. of course)
[05:56] <fowlduck> rails made ruby
[05:56] <ForgeAus> I know some C but I aren't proficient in it or anything
[05:56] <fowlduck> the combination is fantastic, no doubt
[05:57] <ForgeAus> rails is for webdev right?
[05:57] <fowlduck> yep
[05:57] <ForgeAus> its just an addon to ruby for what apache?
[05:57] <fowlduck> I've done application programming in ruby and honest greatly prefer python....and ruby is really slow too
[05:57] <ForgeAus> euch! I don't like Cherry!
[05:57] <fowlduck> no, rails is a full web development framework
[05:57] <ForgeAus> I'm a python fan too
[05:58] <fowlduck> a la turbogears and django
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> I wish I knew python
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> I hear its easy as pie
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> never took the time to read the books though
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> I mostly spend my time in PHP
[05:58] <ForgeAus> Pascal, Haskell, Python....
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> <333 php
[05:58] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: it's really easy to learn, i can point you to some nice resources if you want
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> plz do
[05:58] <ForgeAus> although I know very little about haskell sofar
[05:58] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: if you love php, learn python and you'll hate php after a little while
[05:58] <ForgeAus> but theres always #haskell around to ask :)
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> hahha, I doubt it
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> php is my heart
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> fowlduck: that's true.
[05:58] <ForgeAus> I think they purposely make it seem more complicated than it is
[05:58] <pwn4tt4ck> I couldn't imagine my website without it
[05:59] <ForgeAus> you can get VHS for Visual Studio
[05:59] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers
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[05:59] <ForgeAus> inteli you know more than I do
[05:59] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:59] <ForgeAus> I'm not such a basher
[05:59] <ForgeAus> nor even a batchscripter!
[05:59] <ForgeAus> which is SAD to the nth degree!
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> there is a thing I have here some were by a very good writer who has worked with every computer language inder the sun and he talks about each and how it falls short of the mark at the end of the day (even shows how python has some serious failings) then he ends on ruby and how it doesnt have the same failing as python and perl and java
[05:59] <fowlduck> not missing much with batch scripting
[05:59] <intelikey> SAD^#
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> python is more of a multitool than PHP as well. PHP has become one, but it wasn't meant to be one.
[05:59] <archangel_> my jump drive doent seem to work with dapper, how come?
[06:00] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: thank you
[06:00] <ForgeAus> Python seems more small scripty than appsy... but its getting there... slowly
[06:00] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: well, I'm glad there are some people with opinions out there, unfortunately ruby is slow, immature, and relies on "magic"
[06:01] <ForgeAus> "magic"?
[06:01] <fowlduck> whatever, python is extremely extensible, you can make humongous applications with it
[06:01] <intelikey> jump drive?
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: I dunno, a lot of the KDE stuff is python
[06:01] <ForgeAus> fowl check out boo :)
[06:01] <pwn4tt4ck> Jump drive is a flash drive
[06:01] <fowlduck> i have
[06:01] <ForgeAus> good point Lee :)
[06:01] <fowlduck> magic, as in it prefers implicit over explicit
[06:01] <fowlduck> convention over configuration
[06:02] <pwn4tt4ck> you know what rocks at the end of the day, though? XML
[06:02] <fowlduck> which sounds good, but in the end isn't that great
[06:02] <fowlduck> lol, yeah
[06:02] <pwn4tt4ck> again, I couldn't imagine my pages without xml
[06:02] <fowlduck> xml makes the web go around
[06:02] <ForgeAus> implicitness is kewl... I don't want to have to keep saying exactly what I need all the time... it helps me make less mistakes
[06:02] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: implicitness does not mean you can't make things easier
[06:02] <pwn4tt4ck> So python is for more than just the great WWW?
[06:02] <intelikey> guys          archangel_  had a support Q.
[06:02] <ForgeAus> XML is just do-it-yourself SGML
[06:03] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: bery much so
[06:03] <pwn4tt4ck> you can make real apps like you would with c++ or what not?
[06:03] <intelikey> remember this is still a support channel
[06:03] <ForgeAus> its nothing without a schema.. plus its wordy
[06:03] <fowlduck> yep
[06:03] <pwn4tt4ck> xml is the best way I've found of passing static info through the net
[06:03] <pwn4tt4ck> k, sorry
[06:03] <fowlduck> the web is xml.  it's how your webpages are stored on the client side
[06:03] <fowlduck> DOM ftw
[06:03] <pwn4tt4ck> we need a channel just for this discussion
[06:03] <soulrider> does anyone know if its possible at boot time, to see what thr system is doing? the way it was in dapper, now all i see is the logo but i dont know what my computer is doing
[06:03] <fowlduck> ubuntu-offtopic
[06:03] <pwn4tt4ck> </3 DOM
[06:03] <pwn4tt4ck> I never took the time to understand document object models
[06:04] <fowlduck> that's why you hate it
[06:04] <archangel_> my jump drive doent seem to work with dapper, how come?
[06:04] <fowlduck> learn it and it demystifies javascript and the web
[06:04] <ForgeAus> actually fowl, your kinda right kinda wrong
[06:04] <fowlduck> archangel_: ummm, what do you mean by doesn't work?
[06:04] <ForgeAus> HTML isn't exactly XML, it uses XML-like tags... but its all under SGML
[06:04] <archangel_> toda roba  intelikey
[06:04] <intelikey> soulrider the linux kernel hasn't changed that much.   boot with verbose and vga=normal
[06:04] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: you should explain further :)
[06:05] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: on the client side it becomes XML
[06:05] <ForgeAus> so the web isn't XML its HTML + some other formats...
[06:05] <intelikey> soulrider or vga=0x0f05
[06:05] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: read what I said closer
[06:05] <archangel_> wont recognize it. like it doesnt work, but it does.
[06:05] <fowlduck> archangel_: plug it in then check the tail end of the output of dmesg
[06:05] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: I dont use Javascript that much. When I do it's in small quantities. Anything I'd need JS for (save drop downs and other DHTML) I use PHP to do
[06:06] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: ajax owns
[06:06] <soulrider> intelikey: do i remove quiet ?
[06:06] <ForgeAus> is PHP perl-like?
[06:06] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: PHP is perl castrated
[06:06] <ForgeAus> AJAX is the big buzzword...
[06:06] <ForgeAus> at the moment anyway
[06:06] <intelikey> soulrider yep that's what is squelching part of it.   and silent   also
[06:06] <ForgeAus> ppl love AJAX and I don't even know what it means exactly.. yet
[06:07] <soulrider> i dont see silent
[06:07] <ForgeAus> same with WEB2.0 of course
[06:07] <archangel_> how?
[06:07] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: if you have less than $20, check out the pragmatic programmers book on ajax, it will help you understand ajax and the web
[06:07] <pwn4tt4ck> php is perl castrated hahahaha
[06:07] <soulrider> im gonna reboot :)
[06:08] <fowlduck> archangel_: plug it in then type this is on the command line.  Paste the output into pastebin.ca:  dmesg | tail
[06:08] <intelikey> soulrider probably not there then.  but quiet and the framebuffering  togather keep the messages away   so vga=  and  verbos   togather bring them in.
[06:08] <ForgeAus> fowl I odn't really need to understand them... if I'm using a good enough IDE... it'll do all the understanding of them for me :)
[06:08] <pwn4tt4ck> I dont like AJAX. Then again I've only dabbled into the research, never tried it
[06:08] <ForgeAus> I just need to drag and drop the right tools int he right place and set their properties so that voila... my app works as I meant it too
[06:08] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: when you realize that isn't enough, come back and see me
[06:08] <ForgeAus> lol fowlduck... I know in essence its not enough
[06:09] <ForgeAus> but its a start
[06:09] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: yes, it seems as though you need to be a rocket scientist to do it, but you really don't, in fact it's easy.  It just changes pages
[06:09] <ForgeAus> Aspect Oriented programming is interesting...
[06:09] <ForgeAus> I have yet to see AspectPython tho :(
[06:09] <intelikey> even Hobbsee_
[06:09] <pwn4tt4ck> I quit learning after I learned php5
[06:09] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: you would make a great CS major, you don't want to understand anything in depth, just from 30,000 feet
[06:09] <ForgeAus> its mostly Java (and of course some C) that its being toyed with)
[06:10] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: I'm sorry to hear that :(
[06:10] <pwn4tt4ck> I started with html, moved to xml, then sgml, the c++, then perl, then php 4 and 5 and then just stopped
[06:10] <ForgeAus> fowl... too much of it to understand in depth
[06:10] <ForgeAus> its like wading in the ocean and picking a rock instead of the coral reef to explore
[06:10] <crimsun> fowlduck, what is that supposed to imply about cs majors?
[06:10] <intelikey> lol
[06:10] <pwn4tt4ck> I'll start again with python though, but now I think I need to leave. my girlfriend doesnt look that excited by the conversation
[06:10] <balsamic_chichen> i hate cs
[06:10] <soulrider> intelikey: works great! thanks!
[06:10] <intelikey> supposed to imply....  he said it out rightly
[06:10] <fowlduck> crimsun: that there are many who only have 30,000 foot views of the technology in use in the industry
[06:11] <intelikey> soulrider np
[06:11] <crimsun> fowlduck, I'm pretty sure that's not limited to cs majors.
[06:11] <ForgeAus> fowls right
[06:11] <crimsun> anyhow, it's pretty off-topic, so I'll stop.
[06:11] <fowlduck> crimsun: yes, but they make it their business to be like that :)
[06:11] <ForgeAus> these days they can't seemt o zoom into one specific tool and teach it
[06:11] <ForgeAus> they have to do general overviews
[06:11] <ForgeAus> because theres just SOOO much stuff out there
[06:11] <ForgeAus> nobody could learn them all anyway...
[06:11] <balsamic_chichen> my cs class: the book has nothing to do with the lecture, the lecture has nothing to do with the hw, the hw has nothing to do with the book, non of what i mentioned has to do with the midterms, the midterms has nothing to do with the finals, and the grading is arbitary, the grading curve, well it's a flat line. that's is life at berkeley cs lol.
[06:12] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: learn a few types of languages in depth and it makes the rest much easier to understand
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> the croteam mention reminded me that i have a copy of serious sam sitting here...  haven't tried it in linux yet though
[06:12] <balsamic_chichen> sorry that really should have gone in the offtopic section
[06:12] <pwn4tt4ck> bbl
[06:12] <ForgeAus> fowl I agree
[06:12] <pwn4tt4ck> can I idle in here?
[06:12] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: yes
[06:12] <pwn4tt4ck> fowl: thanks :D
[06:12] <fowlduck> np, bro
[06:13] <ForgeAus> problem is the only one I've had the chance to learn indepth (with support that is) is VB :(
[06:13] <ForgeAus> (.net)
[06:13] <soulrider> Hawkwind: do you happen to be here ?
[06:13] <ForgeAus> which translates bascially 1-to-1 relationship with C#
[06:13] <archangel_> fowlduck: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39416/
[06:13] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: yeah, I know VB.NET too, you should check out a "scripting" language in depth
[06:13] <ForgeAus> like PYthon
[06:13] <intelikey> pwn4tt4ck idle all you want but turn you away anouncments off.
[06:13] <ForgeAus> I've been getting inroads to python
[06:13] <ForgeAus> I'm not interested in perl tho
[06:14] <fowlduck> archangel_: wow, that's weird
[06:14] <ForgeAus> some kinda Lisp/scheme/smalltalk family language might be itneresting... TCL seems kinda left behind ... dunno much about it
[06:15] <ForgeAus> Fortran is very Pascal-like in some ways...
[06:15] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: learn python in depth (since it can be used for pretty much anything) and learn Lisp
[06:15] <ForgeAus> lisp is very () intensive right?
[06:15] <fowlduck> recursion
[06:15] <ForgeAus> clisp seems to be the go
[06:16] <archangel_> yeah, this seems to happen when I got to have the thing working to get another pc up and running
[06:16] <fowlduck> whatever, just learn it, and then learn a web framework
[06:16] <archangel_> (windows pc)
[06:16] <fowlduck> that's what I would do if I could
[06:16] <ForgeAus> Visual Studio.NET (dunno bout the current vers but def 2003/2002 vers') had a built in example of a lisp interpretter! lol :)
[06:16] <archangel_> linix is here to save the day   hehehe
[06:16] <fowlduck> archangel_: hmm, I'm looking at how to clear dmesg
[06:17] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: VS makes you dumb, I really wouldn't recommend it to someone starting as a programmer
[06:17] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: (aka, what you said earlier about dropping stuff in and it works)
[06:17] <fowlduck> argh, i'm in os x, i need to install ubuntu in a vm
[06:17] <intelikey> fowlduck -c
[06:17] <ForgeAus> hehe
[06:18] <ForgeAus> try kubuntu :) I like it better
[06:18] <crimsun> let's cut the FUD, ok? VS has nothing to do with dumbing down learning any language or any process.
[06:18] <fowlduck> crimsun: it discourages many good things.  This isn't FUD.
[06:18] <ForgeAus> FUD?
[06:18] <fowlduck> Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
[06:19] <crimsun> fowlduck, that's your opinion, and it has things which many IDEs can do. Please, cut the FUD.
[06:19] <fowlduck> I love Visual Studio, don't get me wrong, just I'm a lab assistant and I see lots of students affected by VS hiding the goings on under the hood
[06:20] <ForgeAus> fowl, I agree that VS is about all that... but its objective is mostly to simplify rather than cover or anything sinister...
[06:20] <intelikey> fowlduck then you too think the gui is a secondary tool  and the command line is the system ?
[06:20] <fowlduck> crimsun: FUD reflects an intentional skewing of facts to produce the feelings FUD is an acronym for, which I am not doing
[06:20] <ForgeAus> ie, reigons do tend to be compacted in outline views etc, but they are there to explore if you have the guts to try it :)...
[06:20] <fowlduck> intelikey: GUI is there to make things easier, and it is a good thing.  I believe that you should know what's going on before you make it easier though
[06:21] <crimsun> fowlduck, I'd say that lambasting VS as a tool not suitable for novice programmers simply because it does things differently from how -you- would like is FUD.
[06:21] <archangel_> can I do a search for anything connected by usb?
[06:21] <ForgeAus> intelikey often there is a commandline drive with a gui slapped on it model but that odesn't HAVE to be the case... depends on the tool and what makes sense for it...
[06:21] <intelikey> archangel_ lsusb
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> just compiled the latest version of K3B, wow he has added allot of ripping options
[06:22] <intelikey> archangel_ also dmesg | grep usb
[06:22] <archangel_> nothing happens when I do that
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> ver 1.0rc3
[06:22] <intelikey> lsusb returns nothing....  odd.
[06:22] <fowlduck> crimsun: I'd say that recommending that new programmers not use a tool that keeps you from learning to read documentation, compile code, etc, is not FUD
[06:23] <crimsun> fowlduck, it doesn't keep you from learning to read documentation.
[06:23] <fowlduck> it encourages it
[06:23] <fowlduck> it helps you too much, is what I'm saying, when new programmers need to learn to help themselves
[06:23] <intelikey> kinda like the gui encourages to not type
[06:23] <crimsun> fowlduck, that's quite a leap. I suppose GNOME encourages one not to read documentation, as does KDE?
[06:24] <fowlduck> crimsun: no, but intelisense encourages one to not read documentation
[06:24] <ethos_> Is it complicated to get my windows media center box to access video files on my kubuntu box?  I just converted to kubuntu on my server and don't know how to get them connected.
[06:24] <freeride> ello :-)
[06:24] <fowlduck> and code-completion encourages people to not learn syntax
[06:25] <intelikey> !samba | ethos_
[06:25] <ubotu> ethos_: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:25] <freeride> :-/
[06:25] <fowlduck> archangel_: dmesg -c will clear your dmesg output.  Afterwards plug in the USB device and type dmesg.  paste that output into pastebin.ca
[06:26] <archangel_> ok
[06:26] <fowlduck> archangel_: the last output didn't include any activity from the connection of the device
[06:26] <freeride> I forgot my question :-/
[06:26] <visionary> Greeter application crashing
[06:26] <intelikey> i told you -c   ^^^^^ way up there.... guess you missed it.
[06:26] <fowlduck> archangel_: that could either be a problem with how much output was shown or that nothing shows up
[06:26] <kev1n> !commands
[06:26] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:27] <fowlduck> intelikey: I saw it, but was arguing with crimsun :(
[06:27] <fowlduck> intelikey: but thanks for pointing it out
[06:27] <archangel_> ok
[06:28] <intelikey> i think he'll have to sudo that tho
[06:28] <ethos_> thx
[06:28] <visionary> new to linux but my greeter application crashes and web cam does not work...any help appreciated
[06:28] <fowlduck> intelikey: good point
[06:28] <fowlduck> archangel_: try sudo before those commands
[06:28] <archangel_> nothing happend
[06:28] <archangel_> oh ok
[06:28] <fowlduck> brb
[06:29] <intelikey> !webcam | visionary
[06:29] <ubotu> visionary: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:30] <intelikey> "greeter application crashes"  ?    kdm ?
[06:30] <fowlduck> how can you be sure that the webcam doesn't work if you can't log in?
[06:31] <archangel_> wow that did something
[06:31] <intelikey> -:- SignOff visionary: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
[06:31] <fowlduck> cool! ;)
[06:31] <fowlduck> right
[06:31] <fowlduck> lol
[06:31] <slougi> it's always wonderful to see patient people...
[06:32] <intelikey> maybe he thoungt that the ubotu post was all the help he needed....
[06:32] <slougi> who knows :)
[06:33] <slougi> dunno, I always get a bit annoyed when people can't wait longer than 2 minutes for an answer
[06:33] <freeride> does anyone know, can you get a 5-button mouse to work with kubuntu?
[06:33] <fowlduck> but we've all been wrong before
[06:33] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39419/
[06:33] <slougi> freeride: yes you can
[06:33] <freeride> do you know how?
[06:34] <slougi> freeride: I am not sure if there are graphical tools to do it though, but by tweaking /etc/X11/xorg.conf it is possible, hold on
[06:34] <freeride> k, holding :-)
[06:34] <Xbehave> freeride you need to add a few lines to xorg, try here > http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Graphics_Card
[06:34] <Xbehave> oops wrong end but its on that page under mise
[06:34] <Xbehave> *mice
[06:35] <intelikey> ok archangel_ that thing is trying to access a keyboard when you  plug that "jump drive" in.
[06:35] <fowlduck> archangel_: hmm, it doesn't appear that anything is happening when you plug in the USB device.  That's weird and instantly puts this problem outside of my level of expertise.  I'm sorry
[06:35] <slougi> freeride: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39420/
[06:35] <intelikey> it's assuming/expecting a keyboard   for some reason.
[06:35] <fowlduck> intelikey: I'm betting something else is up with that
[06:35] <slougi> freeride: the important lines are the ones with *AxisMapping
[06:36] <[serial] > Hi all
[06:36] <fowlduck> intelikey: my xorg.conf would always throw weird errors for me under edgy about invalid input devices, so I always look on that with some skepticism
[06:36] <intelikey> fowlduck which is ?
[06:36] <slougi> that's for a 7 button mouse though, you can play around with it a bit :)
[06:36] <[serial] > Guys I have quick question... Is LVM2 update safe for dapper?
[06:36] <archangel_> bummer
[06:36] <intelikey> invalid input devices <<< wacom  it's programed to look for wacom devices.
[06:37] <intelikey> same thing.    expecting something that isn't there.
[06:37] <archangel_> fowlduck: crap, thank you for trying man
[06:37] <[serial] > I have my workstation running dapper and I heard that the upgrade from dapper to edgy screwed up many peoples LVM2 partitions...
[06:38] <[serial] > Now I have abot 700G in this box in LVM2, and softraid all kinds of setups - I am afraid that I would loose my partitions if I upgrade LVM2...
[06:38] <[serial] > And that would be a disater...
[06:38] <intelikey> [serial]  sounds resonable.  it "screwed up" lots of things for lots of people.
[06:38] <fowlduck> archangel_: I'm sorry, I wish I could help more.  The only other thing I can think of is check the output of lspci
[06:39] <fowlduck> archangel_: but you may need to install pciutils
[06:39] <intelikey> lshw also
[06:39] <fowlduck> not familiar with that
[06:39] <[serial] > intelikey: Well the workstation isnt going to edgy any soon thats for sure but the adept updater keeps bugging me for lvm2 update... I dont want to remain with no disks under this box...
[06:39] <fowlduck> archangel_: but what you're looking for is your USB Controllers
[06:40] <[serial] > I figured I'd just ask her - maybe somebody would know...
[06:40] <archangel_> fowlduck: ok, I think that might be a job for tomorrow
[06:40] <[serial] > I kinda think: "If it aint broken dont update it :))"
[06:41] <ForgeAus> when I run adept installer I get 3 versions of IDLE for python, how do I know which one to install?
[06:41] <[serial] > intelikey: And I know for a fact that one of the problems with dapper-edgy upgrade was the LVM2 issue...
[06:42] <intelikey> [serial]  i don't use lvm   nor partitions   maybe some of these other guys can answer that.     but if the update is in security section  you might want to look into it.
[06:42] <fowlduck> archangel_: ok, again I'm sorry I couldn't help more
[06:42] <freeride> oh yeah, I remember, how come this doesnt come with gimp?
[06:42] <fowlduck> freeride: gimp is more than a simple application
[06:43] <fowlduck> freeride: and it seems that they only want to include simple ones
[06:43] <intelikey> freeride you can install gimp via the package manager at any time.
[06:43] <freeride> ahh, ok, good
[06:43] <freeride> I'll look into that later, thanks
[06:43] <freeride> I have two other problems before taht :-)
[06:44] <intelikey> freeride there are some 18,000 packages ready in the repos for your install pleasure at any time.
[06:44] <Xbehave> im following  !webcam but when i launch easycam2 i get the following error No module named gnome.ui
[06:44] <fowlduck> yeah, only 18000
[06:44] <intelikey> gimp is one among many
[06:44] <intelikey> fowlduck i know.    we need more packages.
[06:45] <fowlduck> Xbehave: you may need libraries associated with gnome to run easycam2 then, have you checked the dependencies?  Is easycam2 from the repositories?
[06:45] <freeride> one among many what?
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[06:45] <fowlduck> one among many packages
[06:45] <intelikey> freeride packages.
[06:45] <fowlduck> freeride is a text editor for ruby
[06:46] <intelikey> also an irc nickname.
[06:46] <intelikey> :)
[06:46] <Xbehave> yes i added repos and checked dependancies
[06:46] <intelikey> !repos | freeride
[06:46] <ubotu> freeride: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:46] <freeride> it's also a snowboarding style ;-)
[06:46] <Xbehave> its in custom repos tho
[06:47] <freeride> wow, you guys are throwing a lot of info at me here :-) I'm still reading about my mouse :-P
[06:47] <intelikey> custom repos begs breakage
[06:47] <intelikey> story at ten
[06:47] <Xbehave> normall repos have only 1300 packages
[06:48] <Hawkwind> soulrider: I am now, what's up ?
[06:48] <Xbehave> story at 11
[06:48] <intelikey> Xbehave normal  as in main ?
[06:48] <intelikey> normal as in "main universe multiverse"    check again
[06:48] <Xbehave> asin including restriced ect, its a repo the ubuntu guide told me to add btw not some random 1 i found
[06:49] <Xbehave> o wait i have 1300 installed my mistake
[06:49] <intelikey> there ya go
[06:50] <fowlduck> i win
[06:50] <fowlduck> story at 11
[06:50] <freeride> wow, this is a lot to take in
[06:50] <intelikey> i have 459 installed.
[06:50] <freeride> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Mice
[06:50] <fowlduck> freeride: the square root of 9 is 3
[06:50] <fowlduck> overload
[06:51] <seven11> anyone how do i get vncviewer to start in the right window size
[06:51] <intelikey> the square root of linux is root
[06:52] <intelikey> seven11 set the window size  and click the upper-left button special window settings something blah blah...
[06:53] <intelikey> or kcontrol
[06:53] <intelikey> all kroads lead to kcontrol
[06:54] <intelikey> bottem line tell kde to remember the size and possion.
[06:54] <soulrider> ahh great
[06:54] <soulrider> well, Hawkwindis it posible for me to send you packages to put on your repo ?
[06:55] <soulrider> i tried to get someone to put them on the ubuntu repos with no luck
[06:55] <Xbehave> back in the world of sane people im following !webcam > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam and its asking for gnome.ui how do i fix it
[06:55] <soulrider> some apckages are not updated in ubuntu or debian
[06:56] <intelikey> Xbehave install gnome-ui  maybe ?
[06:56] <computer> what's the key combo for taking screen shot while rotating beryl cube with mouse
[06:56] <intelikey> or guile-gnome0-gnome-ui - Guile bindings for libgnome
[06:57] <soulrider> computer: maybe set ksnapshot witha  timer
[06:57] <soulrider> also, Hawkwind, i iploaded some wallpapers to TKs FTP
[06:57] <computer> o that'd work, thx =) i was just putting it out there to see if there might be key combos that's more convennient,
[06:57] <intelikey> does just hitting the [print-screen]  not take screenies ?
[06:57] <Hawkwind> soulrider: What packages are you wanting to send ?
[06:58] <soulrider> for now filelight
[06:58] <soulrider> although i ahve to recompile it
[06:58] <soulrider> but the latest version is important
[06:58] <soulrider> because it doesnt crash
[06:58] <soulrider> the on ein the repos crashes every time
[06:58] <Xbehave> Couldn't find package gnome-ui
[06:58] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Sure, email them to me when you have them done
[06:58] <soulrider> great
[06:59] <computer> is there quicktime plugin for kubuntu edgy
[06:59] <soulrider> uhm, can you PM me your email ?
[06:59] <Xbehave> and i still get the same error after installing guile---
[06:59] <Hawkwind> soulrider: hawkwind AT gmail DOT com
[06:59] <intelikey> post error
[06:59] <soulrider> ahh ok
[07:02] <seven11> intelikey: the vncviewer window is smaler than the actual window and i can scroll only once and than its stuck
[07:03] <intelikey> seven11 on you in console or X ?
[07:04] <seven11> on x
[07:04] <seven11> i start vncviewer from console
[07:04] <intelikey> ah  that sounds like a frame buffering problem.
[07:05] <intelikey> seven11 boot the thing with vga=0x0f05   and see what it does.
[07:06] <intelikey> seven11 you do know how to edit the boot options at boot time don't you ?
[07:06] <seven11> intelikey: in console   vncviewer vga=0x0f05 ?
[07:07] <intelikey> no at boot.
[07:07] <intelikey> when the computer starts.   grub and all that rah.
[07:07] <seven11> i need to vncview a xp mashine on the network
[07:07] <seven11> it works
[07:07] <seven11> but
[07:08] <freeride> what is nautilus? :-/
[07:08] <ForgeAus> a file manager
[07:08] <seven11> the screen size is not the same and that makes it not easy to navigate
[07:08] <ForgeAus> like konqueror, *commander, dolphin, and Thunar
[07:08] <ForgeAus> mostly the one used by Gnomes
[07:08] <freeride> hmm, well I'm trying to get my 5button mouse working
[07:08] <ForgeAus> grr Gnome (no s there)
[07:09] <freeride> and I was reading this page http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Mice
[07:09] <ForgeAus> seems to work inside kde (but maybe kubuntu has some gnome stuff to make it work?)
[07:09] <Xbehave> have  added the 2 lines to your xorg.conf
[07:09] <freeride> I edited my xorg.conf file
[07:09] <Xbehave> restarted x?
[07:09] <intelikey> <thumps the mic>   'SQUEEEEK!'  "is this thing on?'
[07:09] <seven11> intelikey: if i start vncviewer -fullscreen my keyboard doesnt work anymore
[07:09] <freeride> yes
[07:09] <intelikey> seven11 we don't seem to be communicating.
[07:09] <freeride> ctrl+alt+bksp
[07:10] <Xbehave> what have you tried your extra 2 mice in?
[07:10] <freeride> I tried it on a webpage in konqurer
[07:10] <freeride> but the tutorial page says it's just for firefox
[07:10] <intelikey> seven11 there is a keyboard switch too  iirc
[07:10] <freeride> I want it to work for everything
[07:10] <Xbehave> it doesnt have 5 button suppot
[07:11] <freeride> can I get it to work with my tormal system? like system settings and stuff
[07:11] <Xbehave> you have to do the next step then install a program that makes programs think the extra buttons arekey combos
[07:11] <Xbehave> no most programs dont use the extra 2 buttons
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> man, every time I try unionfs it resolves one of my problems and has a new one.
[07:11] <freeride> so that will make it work for everything?
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> I wonder if there's a better fuse implementation of union?
[07:12] <fowlduck> i can't wait for zfs and time machine in os x
[07:12] <freeride> yeah, the next step is just for nautilus though right?
[07:12] <intelikey> LeeJunFan what are you cobbeling togather with unionfs ?
[07:13] <jontec> why is my processor only operating at 800Mhz... this is STUPID!
[07:13] <jontec> lol.
[07:13] <Xbehave> it cant work with everything it only works with programs that have 5 button mice controls
[07:13] <fowlduck> jontec: depends on the processor
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I've got a thick client setup, I want each workstation to mount it's one unioned /etc for mtab and cups configs
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: zfs will only be for none OSX disks
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: rather than using 25 separate /etc dirs like I have now.
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: you wont be able to run OSX on zfs
[07:13] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: I'm sorry, what?
[07:13] <fowlduck> aww, for real?
[07:13] <fowlduck> laaaame
[07:14] <freeride> can you pm me XBehave?
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: yeah, the meta search engine depends on the hfs file system
[07:14] <intelikey> LeeJunFan and symlinks wouldn't work i guess.
[07:14] <jontec> fowlduck, I am wasting 1.2Ghz (it's an AMD Turion, single core) it's a laptop... the performance monitor is annoying... so I closed it... I could not change the performace profile and it constantly runs at 800Mhz
[07:14] <fowlduck> lame
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: nope, tried that - mtab doesn't work if it's a symlink.
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: your stuck with hfs, the only advantage would be backups in the case of OSX
[07:15] <fowlduck> jontec: wow, weirdness.  some processors take down their multiplier to save power and whatnot
[07:15] <Xbehave> freeride:  no:( im not registerd otherprograms can use the extra buttons using imwheel, but only those expecting 5 button mice will use it without tham
[07:15] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: precisely
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: mtab is really the biggest problem, if I symlink /proc/mounts to mtab it kind or works but since /proc/mounts doesn't have user info once a user mounts something that user can't unmount it.
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: you can still create a zfs partition or disk and use that for backups
[07:16] <freeride> how come you dont register? I think I'm going to do it now
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: and of course if I have 25 systems sharing the same mtab when one mounts /media/cdrom they all think it's already mounted.
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: in the long run Apple will have to either dump hfs or update it
[07:16] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: yay :)
[07:17] <Xbehave> freeride:  because i came on to set up my webcam and should have gone to bed agers ago, also i avoid pming as im fairly new and my get overridden by a pro
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: I think thats why they have added zfs just in case hfs hits a problem
[07:17] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yes i see....    thinking.
[07:17] <spitwise> will osx fonts work?
[07:17] <spitwise> hi intelikey
[07:17] <freeride> oic, ok
[07:17] <intelikey> spitwise
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: you have to convert them or get the source file and run buildset
[07:18] <Xbehave> freeride: if u follow the instructions for natilus it will work in konq and because u can easily set shortcuts in kde it can be set up for almost any app, you just but alt+left as a shortcut for the left 1 and .... for the right 1
[07:19] <spitwise> i see .. but M$ fonts will, right?
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: I use buildset and have a nice collection of OSX icons tarballs that I use with kde
[07:19] <freeride> ok
[07:19] <freeride> thanks
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: mount treats mtab differently if it's a simlink, but I wonder if I made a hardlink. hrm.
[07:19] <spitwise> !buildset
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buildset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <spitwise> hmm funky
[07:21] <spitwise> thanks guys
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> that wouldn't really work either since the src of the link would have to be on the same FS.
[07:22] <Linux_Galore> let me get the link were I get my source icons sets that are from OSX
[07:22] <intelikey> LeeJunFan hardlinks can't span fs's.     making umount a script that does sudo umount.real $*   and setting sudoers to  ALL ALL=ALL NOPASSWD :/bin/umount.real /media/*    one could then use a symlink to /proc/mounts   but you might still have problems with shared info...
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: that might work. Already all systems mount tmpfs to /media so they don't all have access to the same mounted devs.
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> that's a good idea. Thanks intelikey
[07:23] <intelikey> and a really sharp hacker would do something like  umount /media/../proc   so that probably isn't a good idea
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: true, but they are still only going to umount that one workstation, worst case scenario is a reboot.
[07:24] <intelikey> but at least they could only umount things.  not really dangerous.
[07:24] <spitwise> what i'm needing is fonts to use for in gimp, scribus etc
[07:24] <spitwise> not system
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> http://graphitekde.sourceforge.net/
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> you can build kde icon sets from those files, the buildset program is also included in the file
[07:25] <spitwise> k
[07:25] <intelikey> ok i'm went.    LeeJunFan drop me a memo on the final solution.
[07:26] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: okay, so far the mount/umount wrapper idea is the best.
[07:26] <spitwise> defoma and the like are new to me
[07:26] <intelikey> good night   or  gooday  which ever side your on.    and good luck to your pinguin
[07:26] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: gnight.
[07:28] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: this is what the icons look like -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13507&file1=13507-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=SNOWE2-Tangerine-RAD.E8&PHPSESSID=a8b565af83aa006c1b331684ce3519c7
[07:28] <dope> how do i get the run command window to autocomplete?
[07:28] <spitwise> i'm not really asking about iconsets at all
[07:28] <spitwise> but thanks
[07:29] <Linux_Galore> dope: use katapult  way better or learn to use the command line
[07:29] <spitwise> i need to install some certain fonts for graphics work
[07:29] <robotgeek> dope: i dont think it does
[07:29] <Linux_Galore> dope: katapult auto completes
[07:29] <dope> lol ok thanks everyone :)
[07:29] <Xbehave> command window?
[07:29] <spitwise> dope
[07:29] <Linux_Galore> dope: also looks really funky too
[07:30] <ForgeAus> wow msie 4 linux! rofl...
[07:30] <dope> ok i try katapult and type gvim and nothing happens :|
[07:30] <ForgeAus> this aught to b fun :)
[07:31] <fowlduck> katapult reminds me of quicksilver for os x
[07:31] <fowlduck> katapult reminds me of quicksilver for os x
[07:31] <Xbehave> same here
[07:31] <ForgeAus> how well does mirc work under *nix?
[07:31] <Linux_Galore> dope: may want to also look at installing yaquake for simple command line access on the fly
[07:31] <dope> i have
[07:31] <ForgeAus> (ala wine)
[07:31] <fowlduck> mirc for *nix?  is there such a beast?
[07:31] <dope> i type gvim into it and it won't open it :/
[07:31] <matthew_> homestarrunner ftw
[07:31] <Xbehave> if you want to use a command you recently used theres a dropdown box that lists them all
[07:31] <fowlduck> dude, you don't need or want mirc
[07:31] <ForgeAus> fowl well not exaclty.. under wine is what I meant
[07:31] <Linux_Galore> dope: in the command line the tab key = autocomplete
[07:31] <ForgeAus> I'm using konversation of course I don't need it
[07:32] <Xbehave> and tab completes ones youve used
[07:32] <Linux_Galore> dope: may have to hit it twice though
[07:32] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: I like x-chat
[07:32] <ForgeAus> but I do want to play with it just to see how it goes or lacks going
[07:32] <ForgeAus> xchat is kewl too
[07:32] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: and irssi
[07:32] <fowlduck> and some people like femaledogX
[07:32] <ForgeAus> irssi? dunno it
[07:32] <robotgeek> fowlduck: katapult is nowhere near what quicksilver does, though it is a good start
[07:32] <ForgeAus> rofl B!tchX?
[07:32] <Xbehave> is there anything thats similar to mirc?
[07:33] <robotgeek> Xbehave: similar in what way?
[07:33] <fowlduck> robotgeek: just reminds me of it, that it's a launcher
[07:33] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: fonts are easy just type  fonts:/  in konqeror and drag the font from the desktop into the file
[07:33] <Xbehave> well wen i used irc mirc could have lots of sub windows inside of the main one
[07:33] <fowlduck> might need to run konqueror as root
[07:33] <Linux_Galore> font file*
[07:34] <robotgeek> fowlduck: quicksilver does a lot of neat things, like select a file and upload to a ftp site, all using gui tools without touching the mouse :)
[07:34] <fowlduck> robotgeek: yes, i have and use it
[07:34] <fowlduck> robotgeek: i said it remindsme of it
[07:34] <robotgeek> fowlduck: heh, sorry. i also love quicksilver
[07:34] <spitwise> Linux_Galore: just curious if it makes a difference whether i use M$ or Mac versions
[07:35] <spitwise> of ps or tt fonts etc
[07:35] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: not really just make sure its a file format that supported
[07:35] <spitwise> ok thanks Linux_Galore
[07:35] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: ie ttf  is supported
[07:35] <spitwise> right ;)
[07:36] <Xbehave> ubotu webcam
[07:36] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[07:36] <Xbehave> does anybody use kopete? how do i msg ppl
[07:36] <Xbehave> nvm it was msg instead of say
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: also beware of the files used, if you install a broken font file (from a crap source) it may break your ghoscript translator thus you cant print
[07:38] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: if your not sure about a font install it as a user from within kcontrol, so if its buggy it can easily be removed
[07:39] <spitwise> Linux_Galore: does defoma make any sense to you?
[07:39] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: rings a bell
[07:39] <spitwise> !defoma
[07:39] <ubotu> defoma: Debian Font Manager -- automatic font configuration framework. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.10 (edgy), package size 76 kB, installed size 512 kB
[07:40] <spitwise> juat looking for some way to create set to turn on and off, so all 80kazillion aren't there allthe time
[07:40] <spitwise> sets
[07:41] <spitwise> 
[07:41] <spitwise> without manually making fontdirs
[07:41] <fowlduck> spitwise: you could manually remove them :/
[07:41] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: install them as a user then not in the system
[07:41] <spitwise> heh
[07:41] <spitwise> Linux_Galore: yup
[07:42] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: takes a few seconds to add or remove a font in a user account
[07:42] <spitwise> well i'm talking about TONS of fonts
[07:42] <fowlduck> spitwise: chmod 000
[07:42] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: I have over 16,000 sets
[07:42] <spitwise> more than seconds to sort through/organize according to projects which are in flux constabtly
[07:43] <spitwise> sets, yes
[07:43] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: I just use them as I need them
[07:43] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: konqueror can be a font manager too
[07:44] <spitwise> ya? sweet/.
[07:44] <Linux_Galore> spitwise: look at any ttf file
[07:45] <fowlduck> wow, that smells
[07:46] <spitwise> i guess i think of a font manager as a tool to create sets to easily turn off or on
[07:47] <spitwise> only thing macos really spoiled me on
[07:47] <spitwise> conquerer lets me view it thats pretty badass
[07:47] <spitwise> k
[07:48] <berylCuddly> hey is there quicktime plugin for kubuntu edgy?
[07:49] <robotgeek> !codecs > berylCuddly
[07:50] <berylCuddly> thx robotgeek, but i already installed those mentioned there
[07:50] <robotgeek> berylCuddly: hmm, which page are you trying to view?
[07:50] <berylCuddly> and i was visiting a site needing quicktime plugin on firefox i still couldn't open it
[07:51] <berylCuddly> it was somewhere on cnn, let me find it
[07:54] <berylCuddly> can't find it now, i remember it was one of the windows that i opened that had something about suddam lol, not the ones requiring windows media player, it said i had a plugin uninstalled and click here to install, when i clicked here, it said something about quicktime, that's what started my question =) i can't find now, so i guess i have to wait till i stumble on it again, but thx alot for the earlier links
[07:56] <zairulazwan> I have just install kubuntu
[07:57] <berylCuddly> congrats
[07:58] <matthew_> zairulazwan, very cool...
[07:58] <zairulazwan> need help... I have another hard disk 80G with has previous data from win xp how can I mount it to Kubuntu
[08:00] <dope> the text in konqueror is too big but when i lower the text size it never saves it
[08:02] <ForgeAus> hey all
[08:02] <ForgeAus> my konversation certainly WAS terminated :(
[08:02] <ForgeAus> now I can't get back into my kubuntu desktop!
[08:03] <ForgeAus> what do you do if kdm kicks you bakc to the login screen?
[08:03] <dope> type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:03] <ForgeAus> I can't
[08:03] <dope> why not?
[08:03] <ForgeAus> no prompt nothing to type anything except login
[08:04] <ForgeAus> all I can get is a login screen
[08:04] <ForgeAus> nothing else
[08:04] <dope> hit ctrl alt F1
[08:04] <dope> a login should come up
[08:04] <ForgeAus> I think it froze
[08:04] <dope> try ctrl alt F2
[08:05] <ForgeAus> resetting
[08:05] <ForgeAus> man I'm glad this is inside a VM
[08:05] <ForgeAus> wouldn't be able to use my PC otherwise!
[08:06] <ForgeAus> restarting now... slowly...
[08:06] <fnord_> um i just installled the kubuntu packages from whatever that catagory is at the bottom of the list in aptitude,but my os dosent reallt look like kubuntu whats up?
[08:07] <ForgeAus> ok now at pretty blue kubuntu login screen
[08:07] <ForgeAus> if I type my password, screen goes black and (I think its trying to log in) but kicks me back to same blue login screen (assuming the password was correct)
[08:07] <ForgeAus> trying control alt f2 now
[08:08] <ForgeAus> froze it again
[08:09] <ForgeAus> fnord what packages did you install? any xfce or ubuntu (gnome) ones?
[08:09] <ForgeAus> you might have xubuntu or ubuntuized your kubuntu lol :)
[08:09] <ForgeAus> (bottom of the list sounds like xubuntu)
[08:09] <MrMeh> how much do companies pay prebuilt pc manufacturers to preinstall their crap?
[08:10] <ForgeAus> ok back to login screen
[08:10] <ForgeAus> what now?
[08:10] <ForgeAus> alt control f1 or f2 freezes it
[08:10] <MrMeh> speaking of the pretty blue kubuntu log in screen, how can it be removed/changed?
[08:10] <fnord_> ForgeAus: no xfce, and im not sure aboute the ubuntu
[08:11] <ForgeAus> fnord you said it doesn't look like kubuntu anymore, what DOES it look like instead?
[08:11] <ForgeAus> hows it different?
[08:11] <fnord_> like ubuntu
[08:11] <MrMeh> forge, do you get an error when you log into kubuntu?
[08:11] <ForgeAus> its all brown?
[08:11] <ForgeAus> MrMeh no
[08:11] <fnord_> grey
[08:11] <ForgeAus> no errors I can see anyhow
[08:11] <fnord_> basicly the menu bar
[08:12] <fnord_> theres no kubuntu boot screen no kde menu bars system settings ETC
[08:12] <fnord_> the apps are there but the rest is missing
[08:13] <fnord_> anyone have any help?
[08:15] <zairulazwan> what do we look for in chosing KDE or GNOME?
[08:16] <robotgeek> zairulazwan: imo, KDE is easier nad more user friendly, but what do you expect in #kubuntu :)
[08:16] <zairulazwan> the usual staff as in win xp, office, wathching DVD, movie making
[08:17] <robotgeek> zairulazwan: sure, kde does pretty well then
[08:17] <zairulazwan> why is that i found the system runs a bit slower as compare with win xp. any setting i miss
[08:21] <jontec> my swap partition is on /dev/hda4... I try to enable it in 'Disk and Filesystems', but it doesn't work.... swapon also doesn't work.... I had my swap enabled a while ago (I set it up just like this), but then linux ran a scan and it stopped working (so I set it up like l said first off... sorry this is out of order...) I need to set it up again... how can I?
[08:24] <Li`lEndian> Where can i get amarok scripts for konversation- dont think its on the konversation.kde.org page
[08:25] <Forgacius> hmmm
[08:25] <Forgacius> I really gotta talk to my ISP.. his login screen really is getting in the way
[08:26] <jontec> okat, never mind
[08:26] <Forgacius> lol
[08:26] <jontec> Li`lEndian: I don't know... but what kind of scripts would they be? I'm curious...
[08:26] <Forgacius> nah its just anything I try to do on the net he basically dumps me with his login screen which is fine if I open my browserand want to log in
[08:27] <Forgacius> but if I get logged out for any reason in the middle of a download... the dtat transferred to my d/l is the login screen :(
[08:27] <Forgacius> grr data
[08:27] <Forgacius> corrupts things :(
[08:28] <jontec> Forgacius, a proxy doesn't help does it? (I don't know much about how the web works... :D )
[08:29] <Forgacius> anyway my kubuntu login still isn't working
[08:29] <Forgacius> can't do ANYTHING at all with it
[08:29] <Forgacius> just try to log in only to get booted back to same screen
[08:29] <Forgacius> (whatever WM I choose)
[08:29] <Forgacius> I guess its prolly I filled up my drive again
[08:30] <jontec> is it local? I'm confused?
[08:30] <Forgacius> coz thats kinda what happened last time
[08:30] <Forgacius> jontec which one?
[08:30] <Forgacius> the ISP one or the kubuntu one?
[08:30] <Forgacius> hehe the isp one is remote.. the kubuntu one is local
[08:30] <jontec> kubuntu one.... I see now... so what's the problem?
[08:30] <Forgacius> I get the blue screen where you log into kubuntu
[08:31] <Forgacius> its got a menu iconlike thing to choose window managers and stuff
[08:31] <Forgacius> I can type the correct password
[08:31] <Forgacius> and I hit the enter key/press the button and I don't get INTO the desktop I just get back to the login screen
[08:31] <justin__> what's up g
[08:31] <ForgeAus> ahh
[08:32] <ForgeAus> the fine art of ghosting? rofl
[08:32] <Li`lEndian> how can i edit konversation alias (/media) to show more details?
[08:32] <jontec> ForgeAus: what vm are you trying to use?
[08:32] <ForgeAus> for now KDE
[08:33] <ForgeAus> I was in WindowMaker when it happened
[08:33] <ForgeAus> erm I mean when I last booted in
[08:33] <jontec> ForgeAus: (I'm basically a noob by the way) so can you log in to kde? I mean without selecting anything?
[08:34] <ForgeAus> no
[08:34] <fnord_> um i just installled the kubuntu packages from whatever that catagory is at the bottom of the list in aptitude,but my os dosent reallt look like kubuntu whats up?
[08:34] <ForgeAus> I can't get into kde
[08:34] <fnord_> theres no kubuntu boot screen no kde menu bars system settings ETC
[08:34] <jontec> the only time I was successful with logging in with another wm was with xubuntu... but never mind...
[08:34] <jontec> I'm trying to remember how you get the console up on the login screen
[08:34] <ForgeAus> um theres a menu
[08:35] <ForgeAus> but that doesn't seem to work etiehr
[08:35] <ForgeAus> unless it works just that its all black on black or something
[08:35] <ForgeAus> coz I tried that (am trying it now)
[08:35] <ForgeAus> but it blacks out
[08:35] <ForgeAus> no prompt, no text that I can see
[08:36] <jontec> ForgeAus: hmm... ctl + alt + F7.... if you're back on that menu... but if you have nothing there (which is really weird) then you should do that command I just tried
[08:36] <ForgeAus> hmmm when I type something it bumps me back tot he login screen
[08:37] <ForgeAus> control alt F7 didn't do anything
[08:37] <jontec> ummm.... one time... my password was mysteriously deleted... so if login with the console that comes up doesn't work.... then you should try the rescue kernel (should see it on grub) and try resetting the password for your account
[08:37] <jontec> hmmm...
[08:37] <ForgeAus> I think the password actually works
[08:37] <ForgeAus> coz if I type it in wrong it tells me
[08:37] <ForgeAus> (gives me a login error)
[08:38] <ForgeAus> I think its somethign in the bootup process
[08:38] <jontec> ForgeAus: hmm... how did you install WindowsMaker? was it with a package?
[08:38] <ForgeAus> yes
[08:38] <ForgeAus> using adept
[08:38] <jontec> k
[08:39] <ForgeAus> I also got enlightenment, iceWM ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <ForgeAus> I tried twm but uninstalled that one
[08:39] <ForgeAus> oh I forgot one, fluxbox :)
[08:40] <jontec> umm.... I don't think anyone's alive here... and I don't know (I'm guessing, which you know) so I'd try #ubuntu and the access to the login console is ctl + alt + F6... :D
[08:40] <ForgeAus> I havn't got enlightenment or fluxbox working very well yet... I can get itno the interface and stuff... wm related things work inside them but I havn't figured out how to run apps in them yet
[08:41] <ForgeAus> um great, control alt F6 freezes the login screen
[08:41] <Li`lEndian> ForgeAus: simple edit in ~/.fluxbox/menu|keys is all you need
[08:41] <ForgeAus> wait its shutting down...
[08:42] <jontec> ForgeAus: ? wow...
[08:42] <ForgeAus> maybe it didn't freeze afterall or my control alt (insert -> sends ctl alt delete to a VMware machine)
[08:42] <ForgeAus> did it
[08:42] <jontec> oh... yeah, probably...
[08:44] <jontec> I ran xubutu in vmware... it sucked.... I was on a 1.2Ghz machine with 384 ram though... so yeah.... I ended up using gentoo (we have a gentoo server at school and I was trying to learn before I was made admin :D ) and it worked quite well... it was speedy at least
[08:44] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah VMware is great
[08:44] <ForgeAus> I never really tried linux properly until Kubuntu
[08:44] <ForgeAus> and it works well
[08:44] <ForgeAus> until now
[08:44] <jontec> lol
[08:44] <ForgeAus> I think I just overloaded it
[08:44] <jontec> yeah... what's your machine's specs?
[08:44] <ForgeAus> but how to unload it if I can't log in?
[08:45] <jontec> unload what?
[08:45] <ForgeAus> p4 3g asus mb, high end ATI radeon video...
[08:45] <ForgeAus> well at least the liveCD boots
[08:45] <ForgeAus> but can I do anything with my Xubuntu from in there?
[08:46] <jontec> wow. that's good. :D I don't see why you'd have any problems.... even in vmware... :D
[08:47] <jontec> ForgeAus: I'm not sure... :D my initial thought is that having those systems together on one HD partition/vmware disk is not a good idea... I'm thinking they overlap in bad ways? I'd ask about that... that could be the source of your problem?
[08:47] <jontec> then again, maybe not...
[08:47] <jontec> I dunno...
[08:47] <jontec> :D
[08:48] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah well I do tend to overdo it
[08:48] <ForgeAus> but I don't htink its the overlap thats causing the problem
[08:48] <jontec> lol
[08:48] <ForgeAus> they logged in fine last time and I didn't install any new VWM's or anything since...
[08:48] <ForgeAus> something else broke
[08:49] <jontec> I just have the distinct feeling of resentment between them... so much refuse to work together... but I'm not one to be adventurous like that..
[08:49] <jontec> what?
[08:50] <ForgeAus> how do I get to my HDD from in the live  CD?
[08:50] <jontec> hmm... a good question....
[08:50] <jontec> I'm thinking you don't :D
[08:50] <ForgeAus> lol I'm adventurous and they do seem to work together
[08:50] <ForgeAus> well separately anyhow
[08:50] <ForgeAus> they don't seem to interoperate but I aren't asking them to... that I know of
[08:50] <jontec> then I dunno... I haven't really tried before... but I was able to install gparted because qtparted was horrible on the amd64 dapper cd...
[08:52] <jontec> I still don't know where the livecd put the gparted files AND the gnome depenencies
[08:53] <ForgeAus> I agree
[08:53] <ForgeAus> gparted is way better.. for me anyhow
[08:53] <jontec> hmm... try... look in media:/ ?
[08:53] <ForgeAus> more functional
[08:53] <ForgeAus> media:/ where do I type that in konsole or in konqueror?
[08:53] <jontec> (though you've probably already tried that using the task bar)
[08:53] <jontec> definitely konqueror :D
[08:54] <ForgeAus> so its a koi slave?
[08:54] <jontec> I don't know what you just said. :D
[08:54] <jontec> I just know that it's like the smb:/ protocol and you can only use it from within konqueror
[08:56] <ForgeAus> yay I got into it
[08:56] <ForgeAus> now what to do to fix it
[08:57] <jontec> fix what? and I'm guessing you go into the HD?
[08:57] <jontec> I think you use the install? and have it format your main partition?
[08:58] <ForgeAus> grr won't let me change things on it
[08:58] <jontec> like what do you want to change?
[08:59] <jontec> you aren't going to like torch the HD with konqueror, are you? :D
[08:59] <jontec> I wouldn't advise it. I'd just re-install if you want it back up and running
[09:01] <mohammed> guys , i just booted my pc to see the screen resolution has gone ! it was 1024*768 now it's 1152*768
[09:02] <ForgeAus> no but I want to delete var/cache
[09:02] <ForgeAus> from adept
[09:02] <ForgeAus> and stuff
[09:03] <ForgeAus> so I got room on the drive
[09:03] <ForgeAus> thats probably all it needs
[09:03] <ForgeAus> I think its because my ISP cut out that made my machine crash
[09:03] <ForgeAus> (I was installing stuff at the time)
[09:03] <ForgeAus> never a good time to have something crash on you
[09:03] <ForgeAus> besides I can't delete anythinga nyway :(
[09:03] <ForgeAus> nor edit
[09:04] <jontec> ForgeAus: all packages that are incomplete get put in the partials folder in /var/cache/apt :D I know that much....
[09:04] <jontec> and hopefully if they're otherwise corrupted... they won't install correctly anyway
[09:05] <jontec> and if all that you wanted to do was delete the folder... then you should have probably ran the rescue kernel
[09:05] <jontec> it gives you complete access (instant root to your system)
[09:06] <ForgeAus> how doI run the rescue kernel?
[09:06] <ForgeAus> actually I think its some of the complete ones that are the ones I need to delete!
[09:06] <ForgeAus> the partial ones don't take up much room
[09:06] <jontec> wow... lol.
[09:07] <ForgeAus> see It hink my ISP crashing put the login page into the partial ones so I guess they gotta go to
[09:07] <jontec> okay... so to run the rescue kernel... you restart the computer or vm
[09:07] <ForgeAus> yes well I can restart the computer/vm whatever easy enough
[09:07] <ForgeAus> then what?
[09:07] <jontec> and when grub comes up it should have a second kernel (the second one on the list) and it should have in parentheses
[09:08] <ForgeAus> ok I think I've seen it.. brb. resetting
[09:08] <jontec> rescue or recovery or something along those lines
[09:08] <jontec> k
[09:10] <jontec> shutter exposure is the coolest thing ever (cameras)
[09:10] <ForgeAus> still logging out
[09:10] <ForgeAus> slooooooowly
[09:11] <jontec> wow... lol.
[09:11] <ForgeAus> ahh recovery mode
[09:11] <ForgeAus> yes
[09:11] <ForgeAus> lotsa text
[09:12] <ForgeAus> event manager
[09:12] <jontec> it boots as normal... :D
[09:12] <ForgeAus> wow the font changed! lol
[09:12] <ForgeAus> I don't think I ever seen a text screen do that before!
[09:13] <ForgeAus> ohhh kay
[09:13] <ForgeAus> now what?
[09:13] <ForgeAus> I'm at a root prompt
[09:13] <jontec> do what you need. :D
[09:13] <ForgeAus> um.. how?
[09:13] <jontec> do you know commands?
[09:13] <ForgeAus> no
[09:13] <ForgeAus> ls doesn't even work
[09:13] <jontec> wth?
[09:14] <ForgeAus> uh?
[09:14] <ForgeAus> its just a prompt
[09:14] <ForgeAus> what am I supposed to do from there?
[09:14] <jontec> welll you may be in the root home directory so...
[09:14] <jontec> cd ..
[09:14] <jontec> then ls?
[09:14] <ForgeAus> says: root@forge-desktop:~#
[09:14] <jontec> yeah.... root's home directory and it's empty
[09:14] <ForgeAus> ls does nothing
[09:14] <ForgeAus> unless its empty
[09:14] <ForgeAus> oh yeah
[09:14] <ForgeAus> that figures
[09:15] <ForgeAus> ahh yes ls works
[09:15] <jontec> yay
[09:15] <ForgeAus> I'm not very strong on linux command-line
[09:15] <ForgeAus> I rarely have used it before
[09:17] <jontec> well... so... we're in so look in "man apt-get"... I'll look too and we'll see if we can find how to uninstall packages... ( I think it's apt-get remove foo ) what packages do you think that you need to remove?
[09:17] <ForgeAus> ahh wdm!
[09:17] <ForgeAus> nice!
[09:17] <ForgeAus> I might be able to log into plain X! (for the first time ever)
[09:18] <jontec> ?
[09:18] <ForgeAus> ok maybe not
[09:18] <jontec> what'd you do?
[09:18] <ForgeAus> all the logins I try fail
[09:18] <ForgeAus> I typed wdm
[09:19] <ForgeAus> (wdm is a login screen wait isn't it xdm for Xwindows???)
[09:19] <ForgeAus> I dunno but its asking me to log into debian but I can't find a username/pass that works lol!
[09:19] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure what login its asking for exactly
[09:20] <ForgeAus> hangon why doesn't root : rootpass work?
[09:21] <jontec> ummm... did you just type "login" coz I just tried that at my root prompt and got nothing
[09:21] <ForgeAus> ohh I get it.... its the login/pass for the liveCD maybe?
[09:21] <ForgeAus> everything I try fails
[09:22] <jontec> it's for the system... but you're as root... so you don't need/aren't allowed to login
[09:22] <jontec> wait
[09:22] <jontec> is it allowing you to put in a username and password?
[09:22] <ForgeAus> yeah
[09:22] <ForgeAus> its aksing for them
[09:22] <jontec> hmm...
[09:23] <jontec> what's your main user?
[09:23] <ForgeAus> user? chris, computer forge-desktop I think
[09:23] <ForgeAus> I'm not entirely sure
[09:23] <ForgeAus> depends on what kubuntu install called what
[09:24] <ForgeAus> I just knowt he password it asked me for is the same as root password
[09:24] <jontec> I was going to have you use passwd on chris
[09:24] <ForgeAus> but root doesn't work with either a password of root (the main root pass) or blank
[09:24] <ForgeAus> thats weird
[09:24] <jontec> but I want you to create a new user before that :D so we don't mess anything up...
[09:24] <ForgeAus> maybe I should exit this login screen
[09:25] <jontec> so when you put in chris and your normal password does it say "invalid" or something?
[09:25] <ForgeAus> argh exitlogin failed!
[09:25] <ForgeAus> yeah doesn't work with chris either
[09:25] <ForgeAus> or root
[09:25] <ForgeAus> or forge
[09:25] <ForgeAus> or forge-desktop
[09:25] <jontec> okay
[09:25] <ForgeAus> under blank root or (the pass I chose)
[09:25] <ForgeAus> argh!
[09:25] <jontec> type exit
[09:25] <ForgeAus> yay
[09:25] <jontec> ?
[09:25] <ForgeAus> control alt f1 quit wdm
[09:26] <jontec> wait did you just type wdm? to get there?
[09:26] <jontec> I thought you typed login. :D
[09:26] <ForgeAus> how do you remove a file?
[09:27] <jontec> you're at the root prompt, right?
[09:27] <jontec> wait on that for a sec :D
[09:27] <ForgeAus> yeah I'm at root prompt
[09:27] <jontec> type "login -p chris"
[09:27] <ForgeAus> I need to delete a file
[09:27] <ForgeAus> it tells me x server is already running
[09:27] <jontec> when did you start x?
[09:27] <jontec> lol.
[09:27] <ForgeAus> and theres some lock in temp files that I need to delete /tmp/.X0-lock
[09:28] <ForgeAus> which is probably why id didn't let me boot
[09:28] <ForgeAus> I didn't start X
[09:28] <ForgeAus> it didn't work
[09:28] <ForgeAus> I tried to tho
[09:28] <ForgeAus> (I suck at command line)
[09:28] <jontec> lol.
[09:28] <jontec> so what have you done...? a list... :D
[09:28] <ForgeAus> so how do I remove the lock file?
[09:28] <ForgeAus> a list? um not much
[09:28] <ForgeAus> I booted
[09:28] <ForgeAus> gave me a prompt I didn't think ls was working
[09:28] <zach> hey, does anyone know how to mount my secondary hard drive and stuff so I can use it?
[09:28] <ForgeAus> I traversed the directory tree a little
[09:28] <ForgeAus> tried wdm but no login would work for it
[09:29] <ForgeAus> (because x is locked is probably why nothings working)
[09:29] <ForgeAus> then I used control alt f1 which booted me out of wdm
[09:29] <ForgeAus> and so I tried xdm
[09:29] <jontec> ForgeAus: restart into recovery... we need to see if your login works. :D so when you get back... you need to do "login -p chris"
[09:29] <zach> I've been looking around in this OS for a while, but idk code stuff, so idk how to mount it...
[09:29] <ForgeAus> which told me that there was a lock on a file
[09:30] <jontec> then shove a password in... and if it works then that's good :D but if not then we have a problem...
[09:30] <jontec> if we still have that lock problem... then I'm going to surrender :D
[09:30] <ForgeAus> it doesn't work
[09:30] <jontec> OH!
[09:30] <ForgeAus> login -p chris doesn't
[09:30] <jontec> the lock file is because you've tried to login so much
[09:30] <jontec> :D
[09:30] <jontec> zach: gimme a sec
[09:30] <jontec> :D
[09:31] <jontec> zach: what filesystem is the other hd?
[09:31] <zach> jontec: thanks
[09:31] <ForgeAus> zach u using kubuntu?
[09:31] <zach> idk, its whatever windows makes it cuz I was running it w/ windows before
[09:31] <ForgeAus> in system settings under advanced (in administrator mode) you should be able to do it in the gui there... mount the filesystem at least
[09:31] <zach> just straight Ubuntu
[09:31] <ForgeAus> if not use media:/ in konqueror?
[09:32] <ForgeAus> ok well ubuntu's control panel equivalent whatever its called should have some kind of filesystem manager
[09:32] <ForgeAus> I just don't know enough about ubuntu to know what its called in it
[09:32] <zach> ya
[09:32] <jontec> zach: yeah see what you can do by going to the... little Computer icon in the task bar and choosing storage media
[09:32] <ForgeAus> probably an alternate way of doing the same thing in kde
[09:32] <ForgeAus> storage media sounds good!
[09:33] <ForgeAus> might be something in there to mount disks
[09:33] <ForgeAus> um jontec I havn't ever needed to use the username chris to log in before
[09:33] <ForgeAus> (I guess that does it all behind the scenes
[09:33] <ForgeAus> or maybe chris isn't the username was just what kubuntu asked for a name of a user on installing it?... get me?
[09:34] <zach> ya, it didnt really have anything in there...
[09:34] <ForgeAus> the only time I need my password is when I run an app as root
[09:34] <jontec> zach: and once you're there the windows drive should be like hda1 (guessing) but realize that you won't be able to write to the drives
[09:34] <jontec> zach: forget my directions... I just remembered that you're on ubuntu... join the #ubuntu channel... they'll be alot more helpful :D
[09:34] <ForgeAus> ntfs? hmmm
[09:34] <zach> I'm getting really pissed at this thing cuz I thought it was supposed to be easy to use, its free, but not easy
[09:34] <ForgeAus> yeah problem
[09:34] <ForgeAus> you can install with synaptic some ntfs tools
[09:34] <ForgeAus> to do more with ntfs filesystems
[09:35] <zach> thanks jontec
[09:35] <ForgeAus> um jontec do you think it will let me login if I remove the lock file?
[09:35] <jontec> zach: it's still linux... and linux has nevere been easy... it's rough getting started... you'll lern to love it later and hopefully find a more advanced os if you are so inclined
[09:35] <jontec> never*
[09:35] <jontec> ForgeAus: we do not want to remove the lock file
[09:35] <ForgeAus> hmmm no need ubuntu linux is advanced neough to do anything you should need!
[09:36] <ForgeAus> why not?
[09:36] <jontec> gah... I misspelled learn
[09:36] <ForgeAus> lol jontec luckily I read typoese
[09:36] <zach> jontec: I'm going to keep it, even after I finally get my windows fixed, but I'll keep trying this, thanks for the help anyways
[09:36] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure what login I'm logging in to anyway
[09:36] <ForgeAus> the live cd or the HDD
[09:37] <jontec> ForgeAus: the HDD
[09:37] <ForgeAus> nothing seems to work cept from the kubuntu login screen
[09:37] <ForgeAus> but that doesn't boot up my desktop
[09:37] <ForgeAus> I'm assuming thats because my X is locked
[09:37] <jontec> zach: you're welcome... and for most people ubuntu is about all you'll want to work with :D once you get it running at least... but some people are intrigued by the possibilities that linux offers once they get into the guts
[09:37] <ForgeAus> well then why do none of my usernames/passwords work for logging in from the recovery kernel?
[09:38] <ForgeAus> I didn't set all this up manually
[09:38] <ForgeAus> I just hit the install from the live CD it did the rest
[09:38] <jontec> ForgeAus: we're trying to work with system it's self... no desktop, no X, no anything :D
[09:38] <ForgeAus> which might have included giving me a username/pass that I don't know about
[09:38] <jontec> ForgeAus: cli all the way
[09:38] <ForgeAus> grrr I odn't want to cli
[09:38] <ForgeAus> I just want my desktop back
[09:38] <jontec> ForgeAus: your login should be the one you get into kubuntu with
[09:38] <zach> understandable, with everything being free and there being so many possibilities...
[09:39] <ForgeAus> I don't use a username to get into kubuntu I only need to type my pass
[09:39] <ForgeAus> the username already there is forge
[09:39] <jontec> ForgeAus: the one you used the very first time you used kubuntu after the install
[09:39] <jontec> ForgeAus: okay, then it's forge (I don't know :D)
[09:39] <jontec> ForgeAus: we have to work with cli... it's all we have :D
[09:39] <ForgeAus> neither did I that that was my username but that doesn't seem to work anyway
[09:40] <ForgeAus> actually that worked
[09:40] <ForgeAus> forge worked!
[09:40] <jontec> ForgeAus: GOOD!
[09:40] <ForgeAus> with the login-p thing
[09:40] <ForgeAus> lol I didn't expect it to
[09:40] <ForgeAus> maybe I didn't try that combo in wdm?
[09:40] <ForgeAus> brb trying it... just for fun
[09:41] <ForgeAus> um do I have to log out?
[09:41] <jontec> ForgeAus: okay that makes a big problem switch... we know that it's a problem with something that gets into the guts of the system.... not the candy coating
[09:41] <ForgeAus> is this login nested?
[09:41] <jontec> the candy coating you use to access it
[09:41] <jontec> nested?
[09:41] <ForgeAus> inside another one
[09:41] <ForgeAus> to get back to where I was do I have to logout?
[09:41] <jontec> ForgeAus: the login you just used is possibly nested within the root... but I'm not totally sure
[09:42] <ForgeAus> I can always type login -p forge again thats easy done
[09:42] <jontec> try logout and see what you get
[09:42] <ForgeAus> yup it was nested
[09:42] <jontec> if you get a login prompt
[09:42] <jontec> okay
[09:42] <fowlduck> You can log in as root at the recovery console if you change the root's password in the passwd file to something unintelligible, iirc
[09:42] <jontec> so you're back to root, then (wanted to make sure)
[09:42] <fowlduck> yay, in as root = win
[09:43] <fowlduck> man, i wish I could remember the trick, someone told me it like 6 months ago
[09:43] <fowlduck> bah
[09:43] <ForgeAus> grrr wdm doesn't work anymore
[09:43] <jontec> fowlduck: we have instant root :D
[09:43] <jontec> fowlduck: we just need to make sure that his regular login works
[09:43] <jontec> then he can sudo su into root later
[09:44] <fowlduck> jontec: yessir
[09:44] <ForgeAus> ok back to login
[09:44] <ForgeAus> got a forge prompt now
[09:44] <ForgeAus> what do I need to do to get back into my desktop from here?
[09:44] <jontec> ForgeAus: lol :D we don't need wdm... but I think that we're at the end of my knowledge
[09:44] <jontec> well...
[09:44] <jontec> we probably still have the same problem
[09:44] <fowlduck> wdm?
[09:44] <ForgeAus> what problem?
[09:45] <fowlduck> not kdm or gdm?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> kdm is kde gdm is gnome
[09:45] <ForgeAus> xdm is Xwindows
[09:45] <fowlduck> and you're using?
[09:45] <jontec> it's a problem with X and the kde interface that's preventing you to login (or all of that other..... .... crap you have)
[09:45] <fowlduck> wdm is?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> hmmm Wdm might have been windowmaker?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> or is Xdm XFCE?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> or both?
[09:45] <fowlduck> wow, ok
[09:45] <ForgeAus> but theres no edm for enlightenment that I know of
[09:45] <ForgeAus> thats wierd
[09:45] <fowlduck> xfce uses gdm by default i think, since xdm is a load of poop on a stick
[09:46] <ForgeAus> xdm is xwindows original one probably
[09:46] <fowlduck> xdm is the display manager for X
[09:46] <ForgeAus> I can only run wdm from root anyway
[09:46] <jontec> ForgeAus: I really don't know what kind of effect all of that stuff is haing on each other
[09:46] <ForgeAus> display manager? is kde kdm a display manager?
[09:46] <ForgeAus> lol jontec thats not a problem
[09:46] <ForgeAus> its all working
[09:47] <fowlduck> kdm is the display manager
[09:47] <ForgeAus> just that I can't login from kdm
[09:47] <ForgeAus> or any dm for that matter
[09:47] <ForgeAus> if my X is locked would that be why?
[09:47] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: wow, try creating a new user in recovery mode and log in under that
[09:47] <jontec> ForgeAus: that's what I was saying before... it's the candy coating.... :D
[09:47] <ForgeAus> jontec what exactly do you mean by that?
[09:48] <ForgeAus> fowl? how do I create a new user?
[09:48] <jontec> not at fowlduck btw
[09:48] <ForgeAus> I have no idea what I'm doing in cli!
[09:48] <jontec> man adduser
[09:48] <jontec> I'm looking at it in a few secs
[09:48] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: if this is ubuntu, I believe there is adduser and useradd
[09:49] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: use useradd
[09:49] <ForgeAus> lol its kubuntu (which everyone says is the same but I disagree)... anyhow... there probably is an adduser and a useradd
[09:49] <ForgeAus> tells me unable to lock password file
[09:49] <fowlduck> useradd bababa
[09:49] <ForgeAus> well I was going with testuser but still
[09:50] <fowlduck> ok, that's probably why kdm blows up
[09:50] <rcrook> has anyone else run a logitach quick cam on kubuntu?
[09:50] <ForgeAus> what?
[09:50] <ForgeAus> grr whats this stuff mean?
[09:50] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: type ps -A | grep dm
[09:50] <ForgeAus> gives me a list of wdm processes I guess
[09:50] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: you probably have two display managers running at the same time and one has it locked
[09:51] <ForgeAus> 3x with a wdm login at the end
[09:51] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: wait, are you logged in as root?
[09:51] <ForgeAus> I was
[09:51] <ForgeAus> but jontec had me login as forge
[09:51] <fowlduck> go: sudo useradd testuser
[09:51] <ForgeAus> (my username)
[09:51] <ForgeAus> that worked its asking password
[09:52] <ForgeAus> why can't I just have deleted the lock file? wouldnt that have fixed all this?
[09:52] <fowlduck> ok, so your password file isn't locked
[09:52] <jontec> hey, we had to see if it would work :D
[09:52] <fowlduck> no, you do not want to delete the passwd file, bad bad bad
[09:52] <jontec> lol
[09:52] <fowlduck> never do that
[09:52] <ForgeAus> grrr it wont accept the password :(
[09:52] <fowlduck> why not?
[09:52] <ForgeAus> no the passwd file the file thats locked X
[09:52] <ForgeAus> that temporary one it told me to earlier
[09:53] <fowlduck> ugh, stop breaking crap
[09:53] <jontec> lol
[09:53] <ForgeAus> breaking?
[09:53] <fowlduck> do you have sshd running and a login I could use?
[09:53] <ForgeAus> um why would it tell me to delete it if its going to break something?
[09:54] <fowlduck> ok, I didn't know it was a temporary one
[09:54] <ForgeAus> this is all too confusing :(
[09:54] <jontec> it told you to?
[09:54] <ForgeAus> yes it told me to I said earlier jon
[09:54] <fowlduck> wow, I'm confused now
[09:54] <jontec> oh... I just saw lock file and delete and yelled no
[09:54] <ForgeAus> when I tried running xwindows in the first place I said it told me it had a lock on some temporary file
[09:55] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: that makes little sense if we don't know what the file is
[09:55] <ForgeAus> .X0-lock
[09:55] <jontec> okay I found it: [03:27]  <ForgeAus> and theres some lock in temp files that I need to delete /tmp/.X0-lock
[09:55] <ForgeAus> well when I tried to run it it told me it was already running and to delete the .X0-lock in the /tmp/ directory
[09:55] <ForgeAus> if I remove that will that fix my kdm?
[09:56] <fowlduck> it...could....
[09:56] <ForgeAus> I sense a but
[09:56] <jontec> fowlduck: he's got several windows managers installed
[09:56] <ForgeAus> what could cause it to be locked like that?
[09:56] <fowlduck> If wdm is running though it will probably break a lot of stuff
[09:56] <ForgeAus> how do I unrun wdm? lol
[09:56] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: try this: sudo /etc/init.d/wdm stop
[09:57] <jontec> ForgeAus: like he said before... one is locking the other... that's why he had you run ps -A | grep dm... it searched the running processes to find windows managers that were running
[09:57] <fowlduck> jontec: nothing wrong with that, the problem comes when he has many running at the same time
[09:57] <fowlduck> jontec: display managers, actually
[09:57] <ForgeAus> it said ist stopping it
[09:57] <ForgeAus> and then back to prompt
[09:58] <fowlduck> ok, then run sudo kdm
[09:58] <jontec> fowlduck: same thing to me :D (lol... I'm a noob)
[09:58] <ForgeAus> it shouldn't have still been running
[09:58] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: we'll see if this is the problem
[09:58] <ForgeAus> um that didn't fix it
[09:58] <ForgeAus> still boots me back to the pretty blue screen
[09:58] <jontec> I bit open a burn earlier out of frustration with my computer if anyone cares to know :D
[09:58] <fowlduck> what did it say?
[09:58] <ForgeAus> nothing
[09:58] <ForgeAus> no error message
[09:59] <ForgeAus> just doesn't log in
[09:59] <fowlduck> type dmesg | tail
[09:59] <ForgeAus> after I log in it accepts the login just doesn't go INTO kde
[09:59] <ForgeAus> just comes back to login
[09:59] <ForgeAus> um how do I get out of kde first?
[09:59] <ForgeAus> grr kdm
[09:59] <fowlduck> ok, is this getting you further than it was before?
[09:59] <ForgeAus> no
[09:59] <ForgeAus> thats where I was stuck to begin with
[09:59] <ForgeAus> I can get into kdm
[09:59] <ForgeAus> just can't get into kde from kdm
[10:00] <fowlduck> ok, so no error messages about bad passwords or anything?
[10:00] <ForgeAus> doesn't matter what WM I try
[10:00] <ForgeAus> no bad passwords
[10:00] <fowlduck> press ctrl+alt+f2
[10:00] <ForgeAus> no errors
[10:00] <ForgeAus> no nothing
[10:00] <ForgeAus> tried that
[10:00] <fowlduck> login as yourself aggain
[10:00] <ForgeAus> it freezes
[10:00] <fowlduck> wow
[10:00] <fowlduck> ok
[10:01] <ForgeAus> same with f1
[10:01] <ForgeAus> and f6 I think it is
[10:01] <fowlduck> do you have anything important on this pc?
[10:01] <ForgeAus> f7 doesn't do anything
[10:01] <fowlduck> later Rob
[10:01] <ForgeAus> fowl its a Virtual Machine and aside from loads of reinstalling nothing important
[10:01] <Rob-West> night fowlduck
[10:01] <ForgeAus> I'd rather not reformat it unless I absolutely HAVE to tho
[10:01] <jontec> ForgeAus: all of them are different sessions... 1 > F1, 2 > F2, etc. I just chose six coz it was less than seven which I started with :D
[10:02] <ForgeAus> sessions?
[10:02] <ForgeAus> what do you mean by sessions in this context?
[10:02] <jontec> ForgeAus: I'm not sure if that's the technical term... but yes.... once in KDE you can use them and they attach to a user
[10:02] <jontec> ForgeAus: meaning you can login as a different user on each one
[10:02] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: well, we're not there to help you get through this and somehow you've managed to get multiple display managers borking, so instead of us spending hours trying to help you get through this, why not just reinstall?
[10:03] <ForgeAus> wasn't hard to get multiple display managers working
[10:03] <fowlduck> i seriously don't know how you managed to get all this messed up
[10:03] <ForgeAus> just install them and they go
[10:03] <fowlduck> i said borking, not working
[10:03] <jontec> lol
[10:03] <ForgeAus> my internet connection ided
[10:03] <ForgeAus> grr died
[10:03] <ForgeAus> which messed up an install that messed up my erm.. session?... in WMaker
[10:03] <fowlduck> It could be an X configuration issue too
[10:03] <ForgeAus> it was still runing but it was kinda broken
[10:04] <ForgeAus> when I rebooted I couldn't log into KDM from there
[10:04] <fowlduck> nice
[10:04] <ForgeAus> erm I mean KDE... (from KDM)
[10:04] <fowlduck> ok, that gives me some background
[10:04] <ForgeAus> Xconfig?
[10:04] <fowlduck> probably a messed up X, which is easy to fix
[10:04] <ForgeAus> ok how do I fix it then?
[10:04] <fowlduck> can you get back to the command line by rebooting?
[10:04] <ForgeAus> how do I exit kdm back to the promt I was at to begin with!
[10:05] <pwn4tt4ck> its four thirteen am
[10:05] <fowlduck> uhhh, let me install kubuntu quick
[10:05] <ForgeAus> um... yeah if I use grub to reload a recovery shell
[10:05] <jontec> ForgeAus: were you in recovery kernel that whole time?
[10:05] <ForgeAus> jontec
[10:05] <ForgeAus> yeah
[10:05] <ForgeAus> was in the recovery kernel all the time you told me to
[10:05] <jontec> damn (sorry for cursing) but still......
[10:05] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: and remember, we're volunteers, helping you out of kindness, please chill
[10:05] <pwn4tt4ck> all: is recovery kernel like safemode on the unmentionable OS?
[10:05] <jontec> wow.
[10:05] <ForgeAus> lol I'm chilling!
[10:05] <ForgeAus> why wow?
[10:06] <ForgeAus> yeah pwn kinda
[10:06] <jontec> I just associate recovery kernel with do your business in cli and get done
[10:06] <ForgeAus> well more like recovery console of XP's
[10:06] <jontec> not ACTUALLY starting X or anything
[10:06] <fowlduck> yeah, i'm surprised it starts at all
[10:06] <ForgeAus> anyhow I have to reset?
[10:06] <fowlduck> would be a good idea
[10:06] <pwn4tt4ck> This question is pointless, but is it 4.15am for anyone else here?
[10:07] <ForgeAus> lol I'm in australia
[10:07] <jontec> yeah
[10:07] <fowlduck> 3:07 here
[10:07] <jontec> actually...
[10:07] <fowlduck> AM
[10:07] <jontec> 4:07
[10:07] <ForgeAus> not 4:15am here
[10:07] <ForgeAus> only 8pm
[10:07] <jontec> I'm interested.. how old is everyone here...?
[10:07] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: yeah, it's also summer there
[10:07] <pwn4tt4ck> ahh crap I need to fix my clock, resync
[10:07] <pwn4tt4ck> I'm ...
[10:07] <fowlduck> 24 now, I almost typed 23
[10:07] <fowlduck> i feel old
[10:07] <pwn4tt4ck> oh ok
[10:07] <ForgeAus> ok restarting recovery mode now
[10:07] <pwn4tt4ck> I'm 18 :D
[10:07] <fowlduck> and i'm not, which makes it even more weird
[10:07] <jontec> well I hate summer... and I have a friend in Australia.. she moved there last yeah
[10:07] <jontec> year*
[10:08] <jontec> I'm 15. :D am I youngest? please say no
[10:08] <pwn4tt4ck> I started programming around 14 and then webdesign took over my life :\
[10:08] <pwn4tt4ck> no
[10:08] <pwn4tt4ck> but in all reality, yes
[10:08] <pwn4tt4ck> :p
[10:08] <jontec> darn. that stinks
[10:08] <ForgeAus> I'm mostly a n00b to linux tho
[10:08] <ForgeAus> this stuff is WAY over my head
[10:08] <jontec> I do rails
[10:08] <jontec> at pwn btw
[10:08] <ForgeAus> ok back to prompt
[10:09] <ForgeAus> now how to fix my X
[10:09] <fowlduck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:09] <pwn4tt4ck> how do you resync the freaking clock!?
[10:09] <jontec> even better... I had just typed raze everything else... apt-get remove [whatever] 
[10:09] <pwn4tt4ck> I feel so... n00b right now
[10:10] <jontec> I mean
[10:10] <jontec> what fowlduck said was better :D
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> pwn4tt4ck: right click on it -> configure clock
[10:10] <x-demon> how i can backub MBR?
[10:10] <ForgeAus> its asking what driver?
[10:10] <jontec> oh I didn't even see his question
[10:10] <ForgeAus> vesa?
[10:10] <pwn4tt4ck> I can make a database program in 5 mins in C++ after studying the language all of 20 minutes, and I cant resync a freaking clock...
[10:10] <pwn4tt4ck> linux_: thx
[10:10] <fowlduck> x-demon: ummm, how long is the mbr, 512 bytes?
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> x-demon: why would you backup the mbr it contains no real data other than a pointer
[10:11] <x-demon> i need GRUB backup
[10:11] <x-demon> boot sector
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> x-demon: grub doesnt actually exist in the mbr
[10:11] <jontec> 2983 casualties in Iraq... I'm watching current right now
[10:12] <fowlduck> mbr points to a location on disk that contains grub :)
[10:12] <ForgeAus> eek whats this videocard bus identifier? PCI:0:15:0 ???
[10:12] <ForgeAus> whats all that?
[10:12] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: just hit enter
[10:12] <x-demon> how i can backup grub?
[10:12] <ForgeAus> amoutn of kb to use for video card?
[10:12] <fowlduck> x-demon: backup your /boot directory
[10:12] <Linux_Galore> x-demon: you dont. what your doing is futile
[10:12] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: just hit enter
[10:12] <x-demon> and how i can write audioCD from mp3s
[10:12] <x-demon> ?
[10:12] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: did you know america loses 40,000 people a year in fatal car crashes? But man the media blows up all near 3,000 soldiers we've lost.. funny how the larger issues escape them
[10:12] <x-demon> !audioCD_from_MP3
[10:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audioCD_from_MP3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <Linux_Galore> x-demon: I dont think you know how grub works
[10:13] <fowlduck> !opo
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <x-demon> !audioCD_disk
[10:13] <fowlduck> !o4o
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audioCD_disk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
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[10:13] <ForgeAus> ok mostly just enter for all of these right?
[10:13] <fowlduck> lol, for the wrong channel
[10:13] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: yes
[10:13] <x-demon> how i can write AUDIOCD from mp3 files?
[10:14] <fowlduck> x-demon: ubuntu has documentation on things of this nature, check their docs first then come back here
[10:14] <Linux_Galore> x-demon: if you want to desperately backup the mbr (god knows why) you can use dd if=/dev/hdx of=MBR-backup bs=512 count=1
[10:14] <x-demon> i doesnt found it
[10:15] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: I'd heard as much in health class... :D I don't see it as a lot (that's a bad thing to say, I have no personal connection to it... yet... until/if there's a draft... that our democratic congress will shoot down) so yeah... I was watching a thing on current today about motorist and bicyclists in New York.. supposedly it's a pretty common thing... 42-47 a year (still isn't a lot to me)
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> x-demon: hdx  being your hardisk  usually its hda
[10:15] <x-demon> ok
[10:16] <ForgeAus> ok back to prompt
[10:16] <fowlduck> x-demon: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[10:16] <ForgeAus> not sure what half of that stuff was
[10:16] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: reboot and boot into the regular kernel
[10:16] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: I think the media fails at their job. If they really wanted to give me the knews, they would tell me this: What we're doing in the war, what our plan is to get out of the war, and what steps we're taking, then a timeline. But instead they give us their opinions and buy the public, causing them to rally against the president
[10:16] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: I'm fighting the president on the political part not the killing part. :D and yeah the media gets worked up because they drive cars everyday... not shoot guys everyday :D
[10:16] <pwn4tt4ck> Continued: They'd rather kill patriotism than give us the news, and when you kill patriotism you destroy the soul of the country
[10:17] <fowlduck> the media is obsessed with ratings
[10:17] <pwn4tt4ck> People usually think I'm a republican, truth be told I hate both parties because neither of them care about anything more than tearing the other down.
[10:17] <ForgeAus> ok regularbooting
[10:17] <Linux_Galore> you guys, people are asking questions move it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:17] <fowlduck> so we get whatever they think will drive up ratings
[10:17] <pwn4tt4ck> anyway, I'm done being off topic
[10:18] <Linux_Galore> its ok if the room is dead but not in the middle of a support questions please
[10:18] <pwn4tt4ck> there are no operators in here?
[10:18] <fowlduck> that can be fixed
[10:18] <pwn4tt4ck> its not a problem :p
[10:18] <jontec> Linux_Galore: okay... but we were almost done anyway
[10:19] <ForgeAus> nope still didn't boot up into kde
[10:19] <ForgeAus> no different
[10:19] <jontec> 'least I'm done noe
[10:19] <jontec> now*
[10:19] <pwn4tt4ck> what is it booting in?
[10:19] <fowlduck> too bad x-demon left, i was about to give another link
[10:19] <pwn4tt4ck> is forge doing the gnome to kde switch?
[10:19] <pwn4tt4ck> I just did that a little while ago
[10:19] <pwn4tt4ck> :D
[10:19] <fowlduck> no, he installed wdm
[10:19] <ForgeAus> gets in KDM and accepts login when I press enter, screen blanks out to go into kde, but it just goes back ot KDM
[10:19] <fowlduck> and he was trying to run kdm at the same time
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> thats the second time today someone has though grub exists in the mbr
[10:19] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: nope... he just has a lot of crap things messing with X... we think
[10:19] <fowlduck> or something
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[10:20] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: well, it does ask if you want to install grub in the MBR during install
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> fowlduck: I know but its actually wrong
[10:20] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: then you can understand the confusion
[10:21] <jontec> I was about to ask if grub was on the HD, but the MBR is on the HD, though isn't it?
[10:21] <jontec> but it's another layer?
[10:21] <ForgeAus> why should WDM be any different to having KDM?
[10:21] <pwn4tt4ck> I used to want to duel boot windows and linux... then I realized I'd be better off with just linux :D
[10:21] <ForgeAus> or GDM
[10:21] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: I have no idea why your junk is borked then, sorry
[10:21] <ForgeAus> I still think its because that temporary file is locked
[10:21] <ForgeAus> do yout hink its still there? or deleted?
[10:21] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: it isn't, unless you don't know what you're doing and have multiple ones running at the same time
[10:21] <jontec> If I could just use rails... and sound actually worked on my lappy I'd consider it
[10:21] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: you could try
[10:22] <fowlduck> jontec: you can't use rails?
[10:22] <ForgeAus> if its only a temporary file it shouldn't break anything right?
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> jontec: the mbr is the first sector on the first cylinder, the bios looks at it after it has done its job, if it executes it then it just hands the machine over to that process, in this case the mbr just has a really small bit of code that basically points to were grub is on the hardisk
[10:22] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: i dunno, it's a VM, just try it
[10:22] <ForgeAus> the WDM that was still running was broken anyway... (shouldn't have been)
[10:22] <ForgeAus> ok
[10:22] <ForgeAus> thanx for your help fd :)
[10:22] <fowlduck> np
[10:23] <abdusabri> Hi, i have an (MSI 945GM2) main board, suddenly the screen resolution switched to 640x840 and it dosen't accept any changes even when using the administrator mode, any idea how to change it?
[10:23] <jontec> fowlduck: no, I have to use word and stuff as well and open office is just too much of a hassle... If I could only use rails... meaning having nothing else to do on the computer... from the point of productivity
[10:23] <fowlduck> abdusabri: you could use a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:23] <fowlduck> abdusabri: or manually go into the xorg.conf and add the resolutions you want
[10:23] <pwn4tt4ck> thats what I like about linux
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> jontec: I use koffice, fast simple and works with doc's
[10:24] <fowlduck> jontec: ahh, ok, yeah, i'm on a mac and i use os x, so...
[10:24] <jontec> Linux_Galore: never tried it... hmm...
[10:24] <abdusabri> fowlduck, thanx alot :)
[10:24] <jontec> fowlduck: lucky.. :D
[10:24] <fowlduck> abdusabri: np :)
[10:24] <fowlduck> jontec: yeah, it's nice :)  office for mac is expensive though, like insanely so
[10:24] <jontec> Linux_Galore: I'll download it sometime.... (I'm on dial-up so not until after holidays)
[10:25] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck
[10:25] <Linux_Galore> jontec: koffice will also support ODF (open document format) so openoffice user will be happy
[10:25] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck
[10:25] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: nothing is expensive, its the internet*
[10:25] <pwn4tt4ck> :p
[10:25] <Forgacius> back
[10:25] <Forgacius> isp booted me out
[10:25] <Forgacius> always does that when I ask a quesiton!
[10:25] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: i pay for all my software and music
[10:25] <pwn4tt4ck> me too :\
[10:25] <jontec> fowlduck: yeah mainly why I didn't go for it in the end. :D The software... I was convinced that I was going to have to buy a copy of windows.... and office for either one and adobe CS and the list kept going on and on
[10:25] <pwn4tt4ck> But the point is, you dont have to if you want to risk jail time :D
[10:26] <fowlduck> jontec: software costs are often a limiting factor
[10:26] <Forgacius> oh wait
[10:26] <jontec> Linux_Galore: keeps getting better and better I'll see if I can find some screen shots
[10:26] <Forgacius> that temporary file is gone now :(
[10:26] <pwn4tt4ck> CS is awesome, except my computer freezes every time I run it lmao
[10:26] <Forgacius> I can't delete it!
[10:26] <fowlduck> ok, so we lay that issue to rest
[10:27] <Forgacius> no wdms are running in the ps list tho
[10:27] <fowlduck> and kdm still won't run?
[10:27] <fowlduck> Forgacius: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[10:27] <Forgacius> tup
[10:27] <Forgacius> ok
[10:28] <pwn4tt4ck> how long does it take to learn all of this stuff, commands and what not?
[10:29] <Forgacius> nope still not
[10:29] <jontec> just thinking about forgacius 's problem... this would have been a mess on gentoo... actually it wouldn't have worked... kde and X would have prevented it I think... the use flags would have been all wrong
[10:29] <Forgacius> but at least kde seems to be my default now.. at least it was highlighted with (previous)
[10:29] <fowlduck> Forgacius: lame
[10:29] <Forgacius> lame?
[10:29] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: I still don't know all of them, and it's not a matter of knowing all of them
[10:30] <fowlduck> Forgacius: I wish it worked, that's lame
[10:30] <Forgacius> oh IC
[10:30] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: anything I know I know by use.... I vaguely remember things that I'm told.. but not a lot more than that
[10:30] <Forgacius> hmmm... so the locks gone nothing stopping it but it still doesn't load
[10:30] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: but the grep thing stuck (but I used it once or twice then experimented)
[10:31] <fowlduck> Forgacius: it's what i like to call: BORKED
[10:31] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: I constantly have problems so.... yeah
[10:31] <fowlduck> jontec: me too, that's how i learn.  os x gets boring for me, nothing to fix
[10:31] <seven11> how can i play rmvb files
[10:31] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: how do you get the red? I promise I wont overuse it.... eventually
[10:31] <fowlduck> the red?
[10:32] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: like this?
[10:32] <pwn4tt4ck> yeh
[10:32] <pwn4tt4ck> :D
[10:32] <fowlduck> that just turns red when someone uses your name
[10:32] <pwn4tt4ck> really
[10:32] <pwn4tt4ck> weird
[10:32] <fowlduck> yep
[10:32] <Forgacius> I guess that means I just need to reformat and reinstall KDE
[10:32] <pwn4tt4ck> Thanks :D
[10:32] <fowlduck> start typing someone's name and press tab
[10:32] <fowlduck> it completes it
[10:32] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: tab?
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> jontec: I view koffice as what OpenOffice should have been, quick innovative and not full or rubbish no one ever uses
[10:33] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: the tab key
[10:33] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: yeh omg yeh
[10:33] <pwn4tt4ck> ok
[10:33] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: you just type my name :D
[10:33] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: yeh cause it's easy
[10:33] <fowlduck> Forgacius: I would have done that a long time ago
[10:33] <Forgacius> lol fowl
[10:33] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: better yet you can type parts like "jon" the press tab and it'll do it for you :D
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> jontec: also koffice intergrates with your contacts and email stuff in kde
[10:33] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: exactly
[10:33] <Forgacius> could it be just that theres too much on the HDD?
[10:33] <Forgacius> ie delete some files?
[10:33] <jontec> Linux_Galore: I don't have contacts :D
[10:34] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: way ahead of you. why isnt it red on my screen when I address you?
[10:34] <Forgacius> (not enough workingspace?)
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> jontec: you get it with the email suite
[10:34] <fowlduck> Forgacius: not likely, probably just borked in some fashion that is difficult to determine
[10:34] <Forgacius> when/if my isp guy comes I'll show him what his connection did and delete some and try it
[10:34] <Forgacius> if he gets here
[10:34] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: because it's a way to alert you if someone mentions you
[10:34] <jontec> Linux_Galore: I have an exchange account for e-mail. :D I never get to use outside clients.... only the web app my school has... it's not worth the setup for personal... I never use it... I am almost constantly working
[10:35] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: makes sense
[10:35] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: not a way to show you tab-completed
[10:35] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: it's not supposed to
[10:35] <pwn4tt4ck> you know, I was wondering how you guys got everyone's usernames right all the time without any typos
[10:35] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: if you go to another tab and someone mentions you it alerts you on that tab and when you click over here you can instantly notice who said your name
[10:35] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: right, makes it stand out
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> pwn4tt4ck:   type the first three letters then hit tab
[10:36] <Forgacius> lol pwn I just abbreviate
[10:36] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: precisely
[10:36] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: I just learned the tab-completion thing lately... like tried it last night... and have been working on it in Konsole
[10:36] <Forgacius> Linux that works if people don't have similar nicks
[10:36] <jontec> Forgacius: I've typed your's all night
[10:36] <fowlduck> I have to type Linux_ then press tab
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: then tyoe 4 letters
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> type*
[10:36] <Forgacius> jon Forge would do
[10:36] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: or I can type "lin" + tab + down down down + enter :p
[10:37] <jontec> Forga :D
[10:37] <Forgacius> lol
[10:37] <Forgacius> Forgester, Forgerooni, Forgaholic, I've used many varients in my time
[10:37] <fowlduck> Forgacius: since you have ForgeAus and Forgacious I have to type Forga and hit tab
[10:37] <Forgacius> yeah
[10:37] <jontec> lol... weird.
[10:37] <Forgacius> I can't seem to ping my ghost out
[10:37] <pwn4tt4ck> what does that mean?
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: heh heh 2 letters will work in konversation
[10:38] <Forgacius> my "empty" shell of a nick thats left over from when I got booted is still there
[10:38] <fowlduck> it's not pinging out, he means time out
[10:38] <pwn4tt4ck> oh ok
[10:38] <Forgacius> fowl no I meant ping out
[10:38] <pwn4tt4ck> I need to hang in here more often... I just keep learning
[10:38] <Forgacius> I tried to ping it to get it to time out
[10:38] <Forgacius> but that didn't work
[10:38] <fowlduck> I'm in xchat aqua, and i don't like windows-style completion
[10:38] <fowlduck> hmm
[10:38] <Forgacius> xchat aqua?
[10:38] <pwn4tt4ck> <3 konversation
[10:38] <fowlduck> and that works?
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> Fo type  fo tab down arrow key enter
[10:38] <Forgacius> like I said ghosting is a fine art
[10:38] <jontec> he's on OS X
[10:38] <fowlduck> xchat aqua is on the mac
[10:38] <jontec> remember :D
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> oops
[10:39] <Forgacius> I sued to like MacIRC
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius:  type  fo tab down arrow key enter
[10:39] <Forgacius> lol Linux
[10:39] <Forgacius> I'm in mIRC now
[10:39] <Forgacius> ForgeAus
[10:39] <Forgacius> its a double tab that does it in that client
[10:39] <Forgacius> no arrow keys
[10:39] <jontec> I use the aqua style in kopete when I use it.. (but never for IRC) and but I can't find it on edgy....
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: hit it twice
[10:39] <fowlduck> yeah, windows-style completion
[10:39] <Forgacius> you just cycle through them with the tab key
[10:39] <fowlduck> no thanks
[10:40] <Forgacius> yes I'm aware mIRC stole that style completion
[10:40] <pwn4tt4ck> I'm not allowed to plug my website am I?
[10:40] <Forgacius> well "stole"
[10:40] <fowlduck> uses
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> actually just hit the tab a few times and it goes down the list of similar names
[10:40] <jontec> Forgacius: back when I first started with mIRC.... 8th grade... on Hyperiums... I HATED IT
[10:40] <fowlduck> Linux_Galore: not on mine
[10:40] <Forgacius> I love mIRC
[10:40] <jontec> Forgacius: that guy always creeped me out
[10:40] <Forgacius> my fav IRC client!
[10:41] <jontec> Forgacius: how an you say that!?!
[10:41] <Forgacius> what guy?
[10:41] <jontec> can*
[10:41] <Forgacius> easily
[10:41] <Forgacius> I love mirc!
[10:41] <jontec> that asked you to register... I had a really old version
[10:41] <Forgacius> I've tried many clients and mIRC is the one I always go back to
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> lol, mirc is horrible
[10:41] <Forgacius> konversation is good...
[10:41] <Forgacius> I'm not komplaining :)
[10:41] <jontec> I used Trillian... even for IRC on windows
[10:41] <pwn4tt4ck> konversation is all I've ever known
[10:41] <Forgacius> trilian is ok
[10:41] <fowlduck> Forgacius:
[10:41] <Forgacius> mIRC I prefer still
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> calling mirc nice is like calling lots of gay crap in a client great
[10:41] <hyper_ch> irrsi
[10:41] <pwn4tt4ck> OH, I used XChat before, dont like xchat
[10:42] <fowlduck> yeah, it's not everyone's favorite
[10:42] <Forgacius> xchat is ok, I prefer konversation over it tho
[10:42] <hyper_ch> irssi is the only one I can use from university :)
[10:42] <Forgacius> what exactly is so BAD about mIRC?
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> I like simple irc clients with a clean ui
[10:42] <Forgacius> it does all I need it to do and more
[10:42] <fowlduck> i'm addicted to xchat
[10:42] <Forgacius> nice nicklist..
[10:42] <fowlduck> i tried using others
[10:42] <jontec> I'll tell you what though... I declare war on all gnome users.... especially those that like it.
[10:42] <Forgacius> nice chatwindows
[10:42] <Forgacius> nice interface
[10:42] <Forgacius> nice everythign
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: its full of teenage rubbish
[10:42] <Forgacius> Linux? as in what?
[10:42] <fowlduck> jontec: you'll lose
[10:43] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: glad I just switched from gnome to kde
[10:43] <jontec> fowlduck: not important.
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: multi coloured gay text, mass spamming macro's
[10:43] <fowlduck> jontec: i like gnome :)
[10:43] <Forgacius> yeah I like kde better than gnome
[10:43] <fowlduck> I tolerate KDE's crap
[10:43] <pwn4tt4ck> gnome is alright, but after fooling around in KDE, I think KDE es el mejor
[10:43] <Forgacius> mass spamming macros?.. where? they're only in scripts if you add/install them
[10:43] <jontec> fowlduck: and I'd probably win... I have tanks... big communist ones.. and cookies... and only one color of paint
[10:43] <Forgacius> mIRC doesn't have any by default
[10:43] <pwn4tt4ck> lmao
[10:43] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: you win
[10:44] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: si. me gusta la KDE (I use la as compared to el)
[10:44] <Forgacius> besides most IRC clients you could, if you wanted (I don't know why you would tho) add them to!
[10:44] <Forgacius> the colours aren't a problem really you just need a client that can read them!
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: no I just ignore them
[10:44] <Forgacius> in fact I have a little fun with them... try in mIRC typing this line:
[10:44] <Forgacius> 2 red ducks
[10:44] <jontec> but after thinking about it (after calling every red thing at my school communist) KDE is blue... and ubuntu is brown... which is close to red... which is not cool at all
[10:44] <Forgacius> (with no spaces before the 2)
[10:44] <maploin> how come there is no syntax highlighting in vim? or vim.ruby?
[10:44] <Forgacius> in red
[10:45] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: hablas espanol? Que bueno! Como hago el enie con el squiggly line en linux?
[10:45] <fowlduck> maploin: sounds like a question for #vim
[10:45] <kev1n> i am on kubuntu as of now..... i have friends telling me to switch to gnome..... please tell me why kde is better so that i can rebuff them
[10:45] <Forgacius> how does konversation see mirc colours?
[10:45] <hyper_ch> !es | pwn4tt4ck
[10:45] <ubotu> pwn4tt4ck: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:45] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: prettier colors
[10:45] <jontec> No se como. :D
[10:45] <maploin> fowlduck: no, it's ubuntu specific, it works in my other distro
[10:45] <fowlduck> maploin: it's configuration specific of some sort
[10:45] <jontec> I can't even type the e which is in my NAME (not spanish.. but whatever... it's french... but I am not...)
[10:45] <maploin> and besides, there is no vim.ruby in other distro afaik
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: you know how little kids like those colourfull silly books, but as you grow up you realise how immature it is, well that's mirc to me
[10:46] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: de donde eres? english word!!!
[10:46] <fowlduck> maploin: make sure konsole is allowing colors
[10:46] <kev1n> pwn4tt4ck... other than colors...anything else?
[10:46] <maploin> it does
[10:46] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: yes, let me think
[10:46] <Forgacius> Linux, I think your jaded
[10:46] <Forgacius> kolours are a GOOD thing
[10:46] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: I just switched
[10:46] <Forgacius> they activate your brain, and can be used to set moods
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: if your a child yes
[10:46] <jontec> Yo soy de los Estados Unidos.. :D y tu?
[10:47] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: no.. just the colors
[10:47] <Forgacius> why do you think theming is such a big thing?
[10:47] <fowlduck> maploin: can you get any other language specific highlighting?
[10:47] <maploin> nope, none
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: it shows insecurity and the intent not to stick to the subject
[10:47] <kev1n> pwn4tt4ck: ...thats why i chose kde in the first place...the colors
[10:47] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: soy de los estados tambien :D
[10:47] <fowlduck> maploin: I know the problem, gimme a second
[10:47] <Forgacius> Linux how so?
[10:47] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: same
[10:47] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: plus gnome didnt feel as 'feature packed'... I dunno, I like the KDE start bar
[10:48] <pwn4tt4ck> omg the kde... launch bar :D
[10:48] <kev1n> ok
[10:48] <pwn4tt4ck> windows = bad
[10:48] <jontec> kev1n: stuff actually works... and it works together and most of the programs have a big K in it :D
[10:48] <kev1n> yes,...thats for sure
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: one thing you learn as you mature, its all rubbish made to hide what is "real", once you learn that you then stick to simplicity because thats hard and leaves no were to hid your true soul
[10:48] <Rob-West> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/29/hussein.reax/index.html
[10:48] <Forgacius> kde startbar seems pretty much a ripoff of winXP's anyway... (sorry to say.. it but they seem much the same to me, cept maybe virtual desktops)
[10:48] <pwn4tt4ck> this guy was like, "I dont want a system that crashes all the time, thats why I'd never use a mac!!" other guy, "Well what do you use now thats so much better than a mac?" original guy, "windows!"
[10:48] <Forgacius> which you can addinto XP but most people dont get those powertoys
[10:49] <jontec> kev1n: each gnome program seems to be made by a different community and it doesn't seem to have that "home" kind of feeling that I have come to love in KDE
[10:49] <kev1n> thanks jontec..... thats the sort of thing i was looking for
[10:49] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: donde ensenas espanol? omg english so the censor wont catch me :D
[10:49] <Forgacius> lol mac?... doesn't Macintosh stand for Machine Applications Crash If Not The Operating System Hangs?
[10:50] <fowlduck> maploin: add this to the TOP of ~/.bashrc
[10:50] <jontec> Forgacius: but KDE did it better... so they deserve to keep it.... unlike Windows... who basically (but legally) stole from mac and umm.... eff'd it up. :D
[10:50] <pwn4tt4ck> I went to kubuntu-es, and no one talks :\
[10:50] <Rob-West> nice one Forgacius
[10:50] <fowlduck> maploin: export TERM=xterm-color
[10:51] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: que significa ensenas? no se... T_T | what filter?
[10:51] <Forgacius> I don't get that jon, how does the startmenu rip of Macintosh, I mean the user interface, icons, and windows and close buttons and stuff sure... they ripped off mac.. minimizing maximizing control panel even
[10:51] <Forgacius> but the startmenu????
[10:51] <Forgacius> not that I could tell
[10:51] <fowlduck> maploin: let me know if it works
[10:51] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: habla solamente en espanol y mira
[10:51] <maploin> fowlduck: still nothing
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> Forgacius: everyone has stood on the shoulder of those before them, even Apple
[10:52] <Forgacius> I agree LG
[10:52] <pwn4tt4ck> cuando yo hablo solamente en espanol el server me da (correcto?) un mensaje
[10:52] <fowlduck> maploin: restart your terminal
[10:52] <hastesaver> !es | pwn4tt4ck
[10:52] <ubotu> pwn4tt4ck: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:52] <maploin> i did that
[10:52] <kev1n> are we in a non english channel here?...:(
[10:52] <ForgeAus> lol which is why a Window Manager like IceWM is nice
[10:52] <fowlduck> maploin: and your terminal isn't in color now?
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> kev1n: no
[10:52] <ForgeAus> it seems like middle ground between many others
[10:52] <kev1n> hahahaha
[10:52] <pwn4tt4ck> no its english, some of us speak the spanish though
[10:53] <ForgeAus> but it lacks features
[10:53] <maploin> fowlduck: my terminal always had colors, just not vim
[10:53] <hastesaver> pwn4tt4ck, but not here, please :-)
[10:53] <fowlduck> maploin: hrm....
[10:53] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: asi como este: http://docs.python.org/tut/node3.html
[10:53] <pwn4tt4ck> wait
[10:53] <kev1n> pwn4tt4ck: i know...it was my cryptic way of saying..please speak english
[10:53] <jontec> Forgacius: I mean (assuming history stands and everything) that Windows stole their initial windows system from mac after apple gave them the rights or something for a year advance of office for the Macintosh
[10:53] <fowlduck> maploin: then you can take that out of your .bashrc
[10:53] <pwn4tt4ck> hastesaver: ok, not here
[10:53] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: sorry, its five am, I'm running on nothing
[10:53] <maploin> fowlduck: i already did that
[10:54] <kev1n> pwn4tt4ck: np
[10:54] <ForgeAus> lol jon then they successfully sued MS for making windows from it
[10:54] <kev1n> its 8pm where i am
[10:54] <ForgeAus> but MS still made more out of it than the lawsuit cost them!
[10:54] <hastesaver> kev1n, sarcasm is bad. Plain speak is good. Cryptic speak is... ?
[10:54] <pwn4tt4ck> kev1n: you are so lucky... dude I'm making coffee right now
[10:54] <pwn4tt4ck> cryptic speak is as bad as espanish :D
[10:55] <kev1n> :)
[10:55] <pwn4tt4ck> si el puedo hablar cryptic, puedo hablar espanol
[10:55] <pwn4tt4ck> jk
[10:55] <pwn4tt4ck> I'll stop now
[10:55] <pwn4tt4ck> el puedo, see that?? thats what happens at 5am with no coffee
[10:55] <pwn4tt4ck> puede* and I'll be right back with some coffee
[10:56] <jontec> lol.
[10:56] <ForgeAus> no don't drink coffee! it stuffs up your sleeping cycles
[10:57] <ForgeAus> besides for every amount of extra time coffee gives you, you need to pay it back into your sleep bank after!...
[10:57] <fowlduck> maploin: I think /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent/debian.vim holds the problem, look what it's looking for to determin if it's a color terminal?
[10:58] <fowlduck> maploin: and if you check out vimrc in the /etc/vim directory, you'll notice that it's running this config when it launches
[10:58] <ForgeAus> hmmm vim emacs... hmmm... I think I'll stick with pico and kate!
[10:58] <fowlduck> mac ftw
[10:59] <maploin> fowlduck: thanks for all the help, gtg now
[10:59] <fowlduck> maploin: take care
[10:59] <jontec> ForgeAus: I know this is sacrligious... but I can't blame windows... I mean I can't image having windows without using the minimize, maximize, and close buttons... I still have my black and white macintosh II in my room. :D It survived Y2K no problem (though I don't know if Y2K was as big as they said it was... its like what my chemistry teacher said... with asbestos... it's a ton of asbestos and the particles in the air
[10:59] <jontec> that causes problems not having stuff made out of it..... and even small exposure won't cause problems... it's the exposure over a prolonged period of time...) /ramble
[11:01] <jontec> hey, fowlduck ... I have a problem with ls on a gentoo machine... anyway I could get it to do the color ls automatically and stilll accept commands... I was going to do a cheap symlink to a ls --color file.. but that doesn't accept directories :D
[11:01] <hastesaver> Hi, my monitor settings are screwed up. In KDE's "Monitor and Display" System settings, under Choose Graphics card, should I choose i810 or "Intel 845"? I have a "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device"
[11:01] <pwn4tt4ck> ForgeAus: I'm on break from school, christmas holiday :D I have the next tomorrow night and the day after to catch up on sleep, unless its new years, in which case poo
[11:02] <fowlduck> jontec: not a clue, my man
[11:02] <malik__> hi there i am trying to install frostwire but instead of saving the file its opening it with kate and gives me the error that if i saved it it will be corrupted and then i am unable to install from it.............what do i do?
[11:02] <fowlduck> jontec: google ftw
[11:02] <jontec> fowlduck: okay :D I should probably try #gentoo. :D my sysadmin has been trying to fix it since day one... I want to fix it by surprise. :D
[11:02] <fowlduck> hehe
[11:03] <hastesaver> !frostwire | malik__
[11:03] <ubotu> malik__: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:03] <fowlduck> hey, anyone know in what file TERM is set?
[11:03] <hastesaver> malik__, are you following exactly those instructions?
[11:03] <pwn4tt4ck> they have an opsour version of limewire? omg thats great
[11:03] <jontec> well it's 5:00... I'm going to be hitting the sack soon... so if I logout unexpectantly... that's where I am.
[11:04] <berylCuddly> the sack...
[11:04] <berylCuddly> lol never heard that b4
[11:04] <jontec> berylCuddly: shut up. :D
[11:04] <fowlduck> really?
[11:04] <jontec> lol. oh never mind...
[11:05] <jontec> thought it was gonna be... never mind.
[11:05] <fowlduck> hey, anyone know in what file the TERM environment variable is set?
[11:05] <berylCuddly> i guess if ur camping in sleeping bags
[11:05] <berylCuddly> anyways.
[11:05] <jontec> anyone know what the TERM environment variable is?
[11:05] <malik__> i tried to download the exe file from frostwire website n then saved it on my desktop and then tried to install it with sudo dpkg and also from kubuntu package menu option but no use
[11:06] <fowlduck> jontec: thanks for bein a smart-alec ;)
[11:07] <jontec> fowlduck: well I don't know
[11:07] <kev1n> malik_..... the exe file or the .deb file?
[11:07] <kev1n> jontec: are you going to be in the sack by yourself?
[11:07] <jontec> dude... .hack//roots is on... I didn't even know it'd been released in america
[11:08] <jontec> kev1n: well yes... I hope I don't find anyone unexpected in it...
[11:08] <malik__> its .deb file but it automatically gets open with kate n it says its a bin file and will be corrupted if i saved it.......but i saved it nonetheless.....but it doesnt install
[11:08] <kev1n> jontec: kewl...
[11:09] <kev1n> malik_: have a look at this...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:09] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: I'm staying up all night while I still can. :D I figure in 20 years I wont have the energy to stay up all night and pull a full work day the next day :D lol
[11:10] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: well I stopped working at 11:30 ish...
[11:10] <malik__> i looked at it but the version on ubuntu site is old
[11:10] <berylCuddly> malik_ can't u just right click the frostwire deb file
[11:10] <fowlduck> bah
[11:10] <fowlduck> works now
[11:10] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: when my processor would only run at 800Mhz and my swap was dead.
[11:10] <fowlduck> stupid
[11:10] <berylCuddly> malik_ and then install it there
[11:11] <fowlduck> too bad maploin isn't here still, i figured out his problem
[11:11] <berylCuddly> malik_ under kubuntu package manager
[11:11] <malik__> tried both ways ........right click and also from terminal
[11:11] <berylCuddly> was there error msg in terminal?
[11:11] <malik__> yes
[11:11] <berylCuddly> could u paste it, thx
[11:11] <berylCuddly> !paste
[11:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:11] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: it stinks.... because I was being very productive.... OH! and an rails migration to a database wasn't working (straight from the frickin' book)
[11:11] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: it all went downhill from there
[11:12] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec:  lol. I deliver pizza for a living and work on websites on the side. :\ I was in the middle of my shift and my clutch gave out. I managed to get my car home on hopes and dreams, and a good prayer, but its not runnin anymore until I can get a new clutch
[11:12] <fowlduck> yeah....thereis no kubuntu package manager
[11:12] <fowlduck> there is adept
[11:13] <fowlduck> which sucks
[11:13] <fowlduck> a lot
[11:13] <berylCuddly> i meant kubuntu package menu on the deb file, if u were talking to me
[11:13] <berylCuddly> =)
[11:13] <fowlduck> lol, ok
[11:13] <fowlduck> but adept still sucks
[11:13] <fowlduck> a lot
[11:13] <malik__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39440/
[11:13] <pwn4tt4ck> if you run kde on ubuntu it becomes kubuntu... if you run kde on damnSmallLinux, does it become kdamnSmallLinux?
[11:13] <berylCuddly> k
[11:14] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: wow. I really need to learn how to drive a clutch... it's killing my and my academic rival can drive one... and I can't... so yeah
[11:14] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: no... it becomes crap with a candy coating...
[11:14] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: its not that hard. Push clutch, let go of gas, move to next gear.
[11:14] <fowlduck> jontec: manuals are overrated
[11:15] <fowlduck> jontec: I used to own all manual transmission vehicles
[11:15] <jontec> me*
[11:15] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: lol, and stick takes a fair amount of practice but its not dificil by any means
[11:15] <fowlduck> it's annoying by all means though
[11:15] <pwn4tt4ck> only when your clutch goes
[11:15] <pwn4tt4ck> :\
[11:15] <pwn4tt4ck> like mine
[11:15] <jontec> fowlduck, pwn4tt4ck: wait... there's a difference between stick and clutch...? hmm.. interesting
[11:15] <fowlduck> as soon as you don't need to own old cars, get an automatic, imo
[11:16] <pwn4tt4ck> the clutch is the pedal, the stick is the thing you move to get the gears to change
[11:16] <fowlduck> manuals have three pedals and a stick
[11:16] <berylCuddly> hey malik_ i did the right click thing and it seems to work for me
[11:16] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: you know all these 'street racers'? none of them can outshift an automatic :D but some of them come damn close
[11:17] <berylCuddly> malik_ when i start frostwire it just says i don't have JRE, but shows me a link to upgrade JRE, not the same as wwhat u encountered
[11:17] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: I just hate manuals in traffic
[11:17] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: well, yeah... I thought that you meant that it was a design difference... like we have an automatic then we have a clutch and then we have a stick... but okay. :D
[11:17] <malik__> berylCuddly: how do u download it thought?........damn thing always gets open with kate on my system
[11:17] <berylCuddly> malik_ maybe try uninstall whatever u installed now with dpkg -r, then do the right click method?
[11:17] <pwn4tt4ck> are we allowed to cuss in here? I wouldnt drop any f bombs but, is damn ok?
[11:17] <berylCuddly> let me see
[11:18] <dope> what's a good program for viewing a webcam on a remote computer?
[11:18] <fowlduck> dope:  firefox
[11:19] <fowlduck> dope:  just have your webcam publish a snapshot from the webcam every couple of minutes
[11:19] <berylCuddly> malik_ just now it's opening with kate, but the first time i did it, there was no kate
[11:19] <dope> is there no better way?
[11:19] <berylCuddly> malik_ wierd, so i'm not sure
[11:19] <pwn4tt4ck> between me and my stoner brother, the christmas food went away in a hurry
[11:19] <fowlduck> dope:  there might be, but that's the way I would do it...then again, i'm a geek
[11:19] <dope> :/
[11:20] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: you should join my website
[11:20] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: should I?
[11:20] <fowlduck> oh joy!
[11:20] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: yes, the greatest choice you will ever have to choose... that is... behind every other choice in life... but still... remysheppard dot com
[11:21] <pwn4tt4ck> Quick! Guess my name!
[11:21] <berylCuddly> malik_ if ur still here, i found workaround, all u had to do is right click the link, and go open with firefox webbrowser
[11:21] <berylCuddly> malik_ that way u start downloading instead of previewing with kate
[11:21] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: Tom Cruise?
[11:21] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: wow! You're good... how did you know!?
[11:22] <berylCuddly> malik__ not sure if ur name has two dashes, but my msg above might help
[11:22] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: no use in hiding it now
[11:22] <pwn4tt4ck|i> wait
[11:22] <malik__> yes checking that thanx mate
[11:22] <berylCuddly> np, hopefully that helps
[11:23] <fowlduck> i: uhh, if I joined your forum i would probably never come back, i have a terrible memory and i find habits hard to pick up
[11:23] <pwn4tt4ck> I was going to change my nick to i<3scientology, but it didnt work
[11:23] <berylCuddly> lol
[11:23] <berylCuddly> i don't think they allow signs
[11:23] <malik__> berylCuddly: although i have kmldonkey working perfectly on my system........do u think that i need frostwire though?
[11:23] <berylCuddly> i tried to use (='.'=) as my screen name
[11:23] <pwn4tt4ck> berylCuddly: that was the problem
[11:23] <Pensa`MIA> how to delete all kicker data and reset it to factory default?
[11:23] <Pensa`MIA> because mine just went off screen :)
[11:24] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: plz? you dont have to come back, just make it look like people come to my site lmao. naw you dont have to join
[11:24] <berylCuddly> malik__ i'm not sure about that, sorrie
[11:24] <ForgeAus> lol windows firefox  doesn't want to update to 2.0 yet
[11:24] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: or it won't update to 2.0 by design
[11:24] <berylCuddly> they need to update the themes on kde-look lol, so they can fit firefox 2.0
[11:25] <ForgeAus> possibly
[11:25] <fowlduck> ForgeAus: likely
[11:25] <pwn4tt4ck> just use konqueror?
[11:25] <fowlduck> ewww
[11:25] <fowlduck> please don't make me hit you
[11:25] <pwn4tt4ck> I like it
[11:25] <fowlduck> masochist
[11:25] <berylCuddly> i hate the startup screen of konquerer, blue, light blue crap
[11:25] <pwn4tt4ck> I like blue :\
[11:25] <berylCuddly> me too
[11:25] <fowlduck> I like mexican food
[11:26] <berylCuddly> but the konqueror startup screen blue looks cheapish =
[11:26] <fowlduck> a lot
[11:26] <berylCuddly> i like shiny things =)
[11:26] <berylCuddly> lol
[11:26] <pwn4tt4ck> this is the first channel I've ever been too that I havent been scared of. every other channel is like 'OMG I GOT SO MANY CC'S TODAY!!! OMG I'M A HAXOR!'
[11:26] <pwn4tt4ck> so, thank you all for being nice
[11:26] <jontec> CC?
[11:26] <Pensa`MIA> how to delete all kicker data and reset it to factory default?
[11:26] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: credit cards
[11:26] <jontec> cubic centimeter?
[11:26] <jontec> oh
[11:26] <berylCuddly> factory? hehe
[11:26] <Pensa`MIA> :)
[11:27] <pwn4tt4ck> lol
[11:27] <fowlduck> Chunky Concubines?
[11:27] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: again, credit cards
[11:27] <pwn4tt4ck> I dont know who brags about chunky concubines
[11:27] <aseigo> Pensa`MIA: delete ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker
[11:27] <fowlduck> pwn4tt4ck: i suppose there has to be a channel for everything
[11:27] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: this is the internet
[11:28] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: there probably is :\
[11:28] <aseigo> pwn4tt4ck: sir mix-a-lot?
[11:28] <malik__> whats the delete command with purge?
[11:28] <pwn4tt4ck> #sir.mix-a-lot :\
[11:28] <aseigo> "i like big butts and i can't deny ..." =)
[11:28] <fowlduck> uhh, what?
[11:28] <pwn4tt4ck> you got the lyric wrong >_<
[11:28] <fowlduck> all you otha brothas can't deny
[11:28] <aseigo> ah, right.. and i can not lie
[11:29] <pwn4tt4ck> everyone should type /j #sir.mix-a-lot
[11:29] <fowlduck> i joined up
[11:29] <fowlduck> where is everyone else?
[11:29] <pwn4tt4ck> dunno
[11:30] <fowlduck> obviously they're not cool
[11:30] <fowlduck> anyways
[11:31] <pwn4tt4ck> is jontec still here?
[11:31] <jontec_> .hack conglomerate... happy communist america to all :D.... (goodnight... morning... whatever)
[11:31] <jontec_> yes
[11:31] <jontec_> no
[11:31] <jontec_> bye :D
[11:31] <jontec_> any last words?
[11:31] <pwn4tt4ck> yes
[11:31] <pwn4tt4ck> umm
[11:31] <pwn4tt4ck> take care?
[11:32] <jontec_> k then
[11:32] <dope> i can't connect to my remote pc :|
[11:33] <syed> any idea about irc channel for python
[11:34] <Pensacola> thx, it worked :)
[11:35] <syed> [Channel] : what should i do to get identified to that channel, i am using kubuntu-konversation
[11:36] <pwn4tt4ck> syed: what do you mean?
[11:37] <syed> pwn4tt4ck: i want to login to irc channel for python, can u pls tell the irc node for it
[11:37] <cntb> on default install some help not available
[11:37] <dope> maybe my internet connection at home died
[11:37] <dope> i can't ping my ip
[11:37] <cntb> when accessing via Kde start help
[11:37] <Pensacola> remember to always lock the kicker taskbar, else it acts really strange and dissappears sometimes :)
[11:38] <syed> pwn4tt4ck: also i would like to know how to login using it
[11:38] <cntb> what is the name of apt-get install package for kde help ?
[11:38] <pwn4tt4ck> syed: oh do you know the name of the channel?
[11:38] <syed> pwn4tt4ck: i dont know
[11:39] <pwn4tt4ck> syed: type in /j #python
[11:40] <berylCuddly> yay i was able to successfully install java runtime environement!! with synaptic, adept do suck, last time i tried with adept it froze on the agree to license page =)
[11:41] <pwn4tt4ck> berylCuddly: how did you do that!? I havent been able to install jre yet
[11:41] <berylCuddly> do u use kubuntu edgy?
[11:41] <pwn4tt4ck> ummm
[11:41] <berylCuddly> well seeing this is kubuntu forum, do u use edgy/
[11:41] <pwn4tt4ck> I just updated to kubuntu a few days ago from ubuntu and gnome
[11:41] <berylCuddly> or dapper
[11:41] <pwn4tt4ck> I dont know
[11:41] <pwn4tt4ck> let me check
[11:41] <berylCuddly> kk
[11:41] <syed> pwn4tt4ck: it states, " [Channel]  You need to be identified to join that channel"
[11:42] <pwn4tt4ck> syed: you're in konversation?
[11:42] <pwn4tt4ck> syed: and you're trying to join the #python channel?
[11:42] <pwn4tt4ck> berylCuddly: how do you check what version of kubuntu you run?... cause idk
[11:43] <berylCuddly> pwn4att4ck i was gonna ask u lol, especially after u said u were gonna go check, let me google
[11:43] <syed> pwn4tt4ck: yes i am in konversation
[11:43] <syed> pwn4tt4ck: yes i want to join python channel
[11:44] <pwn4tt4ck> syed: click this ---> #python
[11:44] <berylCuddly> pw4att4ck  type the following in konsole and hit enter: less /etc/debian_version
[11:44] <pwn4tt4ck> berylCuddly: thx
[11:45] <berylCuddly> np, learnt something myself lol
[11:45] <syed_> pwn4tt4ck: even after clicking this, it states the same
[11:45] <pwn4tt4ck> it tells me this: testing unstable (break) debian version END
[11:46] <berylCuddly> hmm let me google more than
[11:46] <pwn4tt4ck> Whats the error one more time?
[11:46] <berylCuddly> ur prolly on edgy, but one sec
[11:47] <pwn4tt4ck> syed_: can you tell me what the error is again?
[11:48] <syed_> pwn4tt4ck: it states that "You need to be identified to join the channel".
[11:48] <pwn4tt4ck> oh
[11:48] <pwn4tt4ck> syed_: I got it
[11:49] <pwn4tt4ck> syed_:  type this: /ns register <password> <email>
[11:49] <pwn4tt4ck> syed_: replace <password> with a password and <email> with your email
[11:49] <berylCuddly> pwn4tt4ck anyway edgy/dapper shouldn't matter that much, ur on kubuntu right, so this is what I did: go to adept manager, search for synaptic, install that using adept manager, then open synaptic, search for jre in synaptic, check to install jre, then after jre download and during the install process, click the triangle below the status bar to see details, u'll see a blue screen that u need to click ok on in order to proceed,
[11:49] <berylCuddly> to click ok, just press tab, then hit enter, and then agree to whatever else it asks u to do, and u should be ok
[11:49] <pwn4tt4ck> syed_: then type /j #python
[11:50] <berylCuddly> i think the problem i had with adept-manager was that i couldn't click ok for some reason, and that's why it stalled on adept-manager, luckily this time it worked for me, hopefully it'll work for u 2
[11:51] <pwn4tt4ck> berylCuddly: and to think I was trying to download things from sunmicrosystems
[11:51] <berylCuddly> o hehe
[11:52] <pwn4tt4ck> well check it out, I already have it installed
[11:53] <berylCuddly> lol nice
[11:53] <berylCuddly> do u know what kmldonkey is?
[11:53] <pwn4tt4ck> syed_: did you get it?
[11:53] <pwn4tt4ck> berylCuddly: nope
[11:53] <berylCuddly> i think malik mentioned it
[11:53] <berylCuddly> cool
[11:53] <pwn4tt4ck> its weird to think that I could go to bed now and wake up at noon and still be tired lol
[11:55] <pwn4tt4ck> hahaha, my bro is waking up. I remember when he went to bed a few hours back
[11:55] <berylCuddly> !kmldonkey
[11:55] <ubotu> kmldonkey: KDE GUI for MLDonkey. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.1-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 853 kB, installed size 2932 kB
[11:55] <berylCuddly> !MLDonkey
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about MLDonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <pwn4tt4ck> !ubotu
[11:55] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:56] <pwn4tt4ck> he lies...
[11:56] <pwn4tt4ck> all-knowing, pish
[11:56] <berylCuddly> btw googled MLDonkey wiki, it == edonkey + lots others
[11:56] <pwn4tt4ck> !edonkey
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <berylCuddly> think i'll install kmldonkey now
[11:56] <pwn4tt4ck> I thought you were all knowing, !ubotu
[11:56] <berylCuddly> !emule
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <pwn4tt4ck> !e-ubotu.is.a.liar
[11:57] <pwn4tt4ck> OMG
[11:57] <pwn4tt4ck> he sent me a PM
[11:57] <pwn4tt4ck> and it said, "I'm only a bot, plz dont think I'm intelligent:
[11:57] <pwn4tt4ck> 06:06]  <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about your momma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <pwn4tt4ck> :D
[11:58] <pwn4tt4ck> syed__: did it work?
[11:59] <syed__> pwn4tt4ck: i am sorry to say, but still i am not able to connect.. can u tell me what should i do first
[11:59] <pwn4tt4ck> did you register your username?
[11:59] <syed__> how should i do that
[12:00] <pwn4tt4ck> type /msg nickserv register 1234
[12:00] <pwn4tt4ck> 1234 is your password
[12:00] <fowlduck> don't forget to identify afterwards
[12:00] <pwn4tt4ck> then type /msg nickserv identify 1234
[12:00] <pwn4tt4ck> then type /j #python
[12:01] <pwn4tt4ck> if you do it just like that, you should be good
[12:02] <pwn4tt4ck> syed made it!!
[12:03] <lord_kodak> I think I'm the only one that gets it
[12:03] <pwn4tt4ck> brb
[12:07] <pwn4tt4ck> aaaaaaaaand its dead
[12:08] <pwn4tt4ck> hey syed
[12:10] <pwn4tt4ck> k I'm going to bed
[12:12] <llutz> Moin
[12:12] <pwn4tt4ck> time for bed
[12:26] <tamacracker> why won't firefox open .php pages but instead makes you download it and not have a prog to open it?
[12:31] <bobby> how can i compile gtk apps on kubuntu?
[12:31] <tamacracker> hm.. seems like everyone's asleep
[12:31] <tamacracker> #ubuntu
[12:31] <bobby> the necicary files for pkg-config seem to be missing
[12:32] <bobby> try /join first
[12:35] <BeLinux> hello
[12:39] <BeLinux> this Adept manager confuses me
[12:40] <BeLinux> i find synaptic easier....
[12:41] <bobby> adept tryed to remove half my system lasttime i tried it since that i only use apt
[12:46] <BeLinux> i cannotz find apt
[12:46] <BeLinux> is it in kubuntu 5.10?
[12:46] <Ash-Fox> Yes.
[12:46] <Ash-Fox> If you're typing the command, you most likely mean 'apt-get', not 'apt'.
[12:47] <bobby> what do you mean by that can not find apt?
[12:47] <Jucato> !apt
[12:47] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:48] <bobby> apt-cache search <phrase> is also verry helpfull
[12:49] <BeLinux> ok..
[12:49] <BeLinux> i see..that is a command line only tool?
[12:49] <bobby> yes
[12:49] <bobby> adept is gui frontend
[12:49] <Ash-Fox> Many people use adept for installing/uninstalling/upgrading packages graphically on Kubuntu
[12:50] <bobby> synaptics is the gtk frontend
[12:50] <BeLinux> can i use synaptic? i know it from pclinuxos and like it. its very easy.
[12:50] <BeLinux> i dont get adept..
[12:50] <Ash-Fox> Yes.
[12:50] <BeLinux> sorry asking silly questions..but i just left windows world
[12:50] <bobby> yes you can i would recomend it even
[12:51] <Ash-Fox> 'sudo apt-get install synaptic' from a terminal if it isn't already installed
[12:51] <Ash-Fox> I would recommend you upgrade to 6.10 though...
[12:51] <BeLinux> now since 2 weeks on linux only
[12:51] <BeLinux> yes..but
[12:51] <bobby> np at all ubuntu is a beginners distro
[12:51] <BeLinux> i read that it is a risk to do that
[12:51] <BeLinux> to upgrade from 5.10 to 6.10
[12:52] <bobby> that is so easy to install that beginners prefere it
[12:52] <Ash-Fox> BeLinux, do tell you the truth.. I just install over it with the newer install cd
[12:52] <BeLinux> so easy?
[12:52] <BeLinux> 6.10 cd in the drive and thats it?
[12:52] <BeLinux> will update everything autom.?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> BeLinux: you need to go from 5.10 --> 6.06 --> 6.10, else you get dependancy problems.
[12:53] <g-henna> hi everyone!
[12:53] <BeLinux> and do i need an upgrade to 6.10?
[12:53] <Ash-Fox> BeLinux, if you want the more refined software.. yes.
[12:53] <BeLinux> i would like to get new kontact and koffice then i will be happy..i could do that within 5.10 or?
[12:53] <g-henna> i just bought a new printer, an hewlett-packard business inkjet 1000 and connected it via usb to my router, which i'm printing to using cups from my kubuntu machine
[12:53] <Ash-Fox> I don't think you can get the new kontact or koffice from 5.10, unless you compile them from scratch.
[12:54] <BeLinux> (i am lagging occasionally up to 2-3 minutes, so dont wonder about my  delays)
[12:54] <bobby> how can i see what version i got?
[12:54] <g-henna> via socket://192...:9100
[12:54] <BeLinux> hobbsee.. got it
[12:54] <Ash-Fox> g-henna, okay?
[12:54] <g-henna> now the problem is that when printing pdf files from kpdf that contain formulas (from latex), then there are white boxes within some of the formulas
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: correct.  you dont want to.
[12:54] <g-henna> same from xpdf
[12:55] <g-henna> i use the hpijs driver for that printer
[12:55] <g-henna> i mean, everything looks fine, except for half deltas or half sum-signs
[12:55] <BeLinux> i have xubuntu 6.06..can i do an upgrade of Kubuntu with it??
[12:55] <g-henna> any idea what could cause/fix this?
[12:55] <Ash-Fox> BeLinux, in my opinion, you're better off doing a clean install, that way you don't get anything murky left behind.
[12:55] <BeLinux> if not i have to download the cd ...ufff....
[12:56] <adz21c> BeLinux: yes u can to m knowledge
[12:56] <Ash-Fox> BeLinux, no, that will install xubuntu 6.06
[12:56] <Ash-Fox> Converting then to kubuntu, requires some heavy terminal usage and lots of downloading, you're better off downloading the kubuntu cd
[12:57] <Hobbsee> BeLinux: you could just back up your data and do a clean install of 6.10, if you wanted to.
[12:57] <g-henna> odd, only special characters like big parentheses (or deltas, or greek letters) are cut in half some times
[12:57] <g-henna> which is stupid for equations, because i cannot understand it at all if it isn't complete...
[12:58] <g-henna> or is there any better place to ask?
[12:59] <Lynoure> g-henna: If you do not get an answer here, try on the Linux printing site
[12:59] <BeLinux> can i run the newest KDE and koffice with kubuntu 5.10 and all the other software? if yes i dont need to upgrade again?
[01:00] <ForgeAus> BeLinux, um try backports?
[01:00] <BeLinux> what do you mean?
[01:00] <BeLinux> what is that?
[01:00] <ForgeAus> whats 5.10? dapper badger???
[01:01] <fdoving> BeLinux: you need to upgrade if you don't want to make the packages yourself.
[01:01] <fdoving> 5.10 is breezy.
[01:01] <BeLinux> i see..s o that means the newest KDE and kontact etc...doesnt run on old versions?
[01:01] <ForgeAus> ok breezy if it has adept add the backports repository
[01:01] <g-henna> Lynoure: do they have an irc channel?
[01:02] <Lynoure> g-henna: I do not know.
[01:02] <BeLinux> like kontact for 6.06 doesnt run on 5.10? i understand that reight?
[01:02] <fdoving> BeLinux: correct.
[01:03] <BeLinux> i tried pclinuxos and there it was possible to update to the newest KDE desktop
[01:04] <BeLinux> with synaptic..so this is not possible in kubuntu?
[01:05] <g-henna> BeLinux: KDE depends on a lot of libraries. so if you wanted the newest KDE, you would also need the newest KDE libraries. these, in turn, depend on other much newer libraries... and if you try to upgrade all of them, i promise, you're better off with a new install
[01:05] <Jucato> depends if the latest KDE packages are available for that particular release
[01:05] <g-henna> and then, remember to create a /home partition
[01:05] <BeLinux> maybe i dont get the logic behind this..
[01:06] <Ash-Fox> KDE is very low memory.
[01:06] <BeLinux> for me as user..i could see that in pclinuxos i could upgrade to the newest KDE etc...
[01:06] <Hobbsee> BeLinux: for the later releases, kubuntu.org has later repositories of kde.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> BeLinux: but not for breezy
[01:06] <Hobbsee> BeLinux: i'd expect you werent 3 releases behind on pclinuxos
[01:07] <bobby> how can i see what kubuntu release im working on?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> bobby: cat /etc/release
[01:07] <Hobbsee> or help, about
[01:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lsb_release -a
[01:07] <bobby> ty
[01:07] <Hobbsee> oh wait, help, about will just tell you your kde version
[01:07] <BeLinux> so 2 different concepts
[01:08] <TheGateKeeper> BeLinux, what version of kde do you want?
[01:08] <BeLinux> hobbsee, i tried 0.93a.its very nice and easy..but so slow on my computer
[01:08] <BeLinux> kubuntu is faster
[01:08] <Jucato> BeLinux: well, you have to get used to the concept that different Linux distributions package and release software differently
[01:08] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: nothing that's provided for breezy.
[01:09] <deathplanter> hi guys,anyone knows how to run first-start kde wizard in ubuntu?
[01:09] <deathplanter> kubuntu*
[01:09] <bobby> 6.10 :)
[01:09] <Jucato> deathplanter: install kpersonalizer and run it
[01:09] <deathplanter> Jucato: thx
[01:09] <tobre> Hi
[01:10] <BeLinux> TheGateKeeper: all i need, really is newest Kontact, Koffice..and an easy way of updating it. also i want to install own programs like Skype without problems etc,.
[01:10] <BeLinux> wondering if this can be done with Kubuntu 5.10 without upgrading again..like in windows..again and again
[01:11] <Hobbsee> BeLinux: FYI, the support for 5.10 (breezy) ends in...ah...april, anyway
[01:11] <bobby> im glad i didnt put gentoo on this laptop installing emacs from cvs takes its time
[01:11] <Hobbsee> the long time releases are supported for longer (3 years on desktop, 5 on server)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> bobby: haha, yeah
[01:12] <BeLinux> thats sentence sounds familiar to me (window$) ;)
[01:12] <tobre> I have a strange problem. When I suspend my laptop, kubuntu is not suspended, but it just locks up computer. Screen saver comes up and computer is locked.
[01:12] <tobre> What might be the reason?
[01:12] <TheGateKeeper> BeLinux, the problem you have with (k)ubuntu is there upgrade release cycle, if you want to get off this merry go round you need to installl another distro, sabayon & zenwalk may well be good candidates
[01:13] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: dapper isnt so bad.  2 and a half years of support left
[01:13] <jerp> there's an upgrade guide to edgy on this page,  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[01:13] <Hobbsee> jerp: yes, *from* dapper, ie, 6.06
[01:13] <bobby> difference from windows is that supporting somethig for or 3 years are quite a few packages
[01:14] <bobby> releases*
[01:14] <TheGateKeeper> Hobbsee, & after 2.5 years what happens, direct upgrade or fresh install?  My money is on the latter
[01:14] <tobre> So, anybody doesn't have same issue?
[01:15] <BeLinux> gatekeeper. i like kubuntu because its fast and stable on my computer. but those are my requirements..i understand every release is a "closed" package. but still ican install own programs like Skype and WINE without problems right? i will try 6.06 as suggested.
[01:15] <BeLinux> i like pclinuxos as well..but its unfortunately so slow
[01:15] <bobby> omg pentium 3 650 mhz
[01:16] <bobby> i still find kde to load slow
[01:16] <bobby> gnome is way faster
[01:16] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: upgrade to the next long time support release.
[01:17] <TheGateKeeper> BeLinux, (k)ubuntu is not exactly fast, there are others that are MUCH faster
[01:17] <Hobbsee> bobby: better to run xfce on that
[01:17] <BeLinux> for me its ok..
[01:17] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: kde doesnt really get much faster.
[01:18] <BeLinux> but so silly that Kontact in kubuntu 5.10 has no possibility to import outlook express mails!!
[01:18] <BeLinux> thats why i asked about upgrading to a newer version of kontact (there u can import mails from OE)
[01:18] <php-freak> !codec
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <php-freak> !codecs
[01:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <bobby> Hobbsee: i need a full blown DE on this one since its not my laptop but from a buddy of mine who can barely manage in windows
[01:19] <BeLinux> i am stucked, anyways i will upgrade to 6.06 , hopefully nothign gets broken
[01:19] <Hobbsee> bobby: ah
[01:19] <TheGateKeeper> Hobbsee, well, you want to see speed, install kubuntu & arch linux with a KDE desktop on the same pc, then get your stop watch out :-)
[01:19] <bobby> Hobbsee: on my gentoo desktop i use fluxbox
[01:19] <TheGateKeeper> brb
[01:19] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: ahh, so we should look at nicking patches from arch.  i know we're comparable to suse
[01:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: we are? :O
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah...well...they dont have any performance patches in suse that we arent using too now - they all got pushed to upstream kde
[01:21] <Jucato> aaah
[01:21] <g-henna> guys, i'm getting sick... already pdf2ps creates these white boxes, so i can see them with gv in theps file...
[01:22] <g-henna> now what's that? internally, pdfs are converted to ps before printing, right?
[01:23] <BeLinux> who knows a very good Text-Only brower for Kubuntu
[01:24] <BeLinux> except Lynx
[01:24] <deathplanter> links? ;P
[01:24] <deathplanter> or elinks!
[01:24] <deathplanter> afk
[01:24] <Jucato> w3m? elinks? links2?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> elinks is good
[01:25] <Hobbsee> w3m confuses me :(
[01:25] <dropsl> hi
[01:25] <BeLinux> ok
[01:25] <Hobbsee> links2 is also good
[01:25] <bobby> on gentoo i could get kde and friends in my own language how can i do that on kubuntu?
[01:26] <dropsl> does anyone know a program which can merge several mpeg1 files?
[01:26] <g-henna> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-de/en/jp...
[01:26] <malik_> how do i access kwallet thingy?
[01:26] <malik_> the thing which stores all the passwords
[01:26] <php-freak> !codecs
[01:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:27] <cntb> today I want to install  scanner SANE lan sharing
[01:27] <Hobbsee> malik_: run kwalletmanager
[01:28] <cntb> should not be complicated
[01:28] <BeLinux> see you later, thanks for your help
[01:29] <cntb> for scanner sharing will follow "How to share a scanner on your network"
[01:29] <cntb> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1751234
[01:31] <php-freak> reading makes you smart :)
[01:36] <php-freak> !sound
[01:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:37] <php-freak> Hmm someone recommended me to something, I'm having problems with my sound, playing videos through firefox
[01:38] <bobby> php-freak: what kind of video?
[01:38] <php-freak> well i want all of them to work, but hold on il check
[01:38] <php-freak> its not flash
[01:38] <php-freak> just regular video
[01:39] <php-freak> http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=matt+cutts&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv for example go there, none of them videos have sound when I play them
[01:39] <bobby> and what are you using to play the vids?
[01:39] <TheGateKeeper> Hobbsee, not a question of nicking patches, but what would be good is if (k)ubuntu was better optimised for various platforms, arch is quick because it is optimsed for i686
[01:40] <bobby> erm that is flash php-freak
[01:40] <php-freak> firefox
[01:40] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: there's a long thread on the ubuntu-devel mailing list about whether the i686 / i386 really makes much difference.  the answer was "not enough of a difference" - ie, no percievable difference for the user
[01:40] <bobby> plays the video trough flash
[01:40] <php-freak> okay, I just installed flash
[01:41] <php-freak> maybe i need to restart my system first.
[01:41] <eric__> ih
[01:41] <php-freak> !codecs
[01:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:41] <eric__> hi*
[01:42] <nagyv> hello! I am just going to install kubuntu dapper to my friend from a live cd, but he already has a home partition. Is the live cd clever enough? Will I have the chance to select partitioning, or should I use the alternate install cd?
[01:42] <php-freak> !multiverse
[01:42] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:42] <bobby> php-freak: in linux that isnt nesisary normaly and kubuntu has flash installed by default
[01:43] <php-freak> well I'm not getting sound from it
[01:43] <php-freak> all my other sounds works fine
[01:43] <crimsun> bobby: err, by default? Are you sure?
[01:43] <jerp> nagy, that live cd is not what you want use the alternate
[01:43] <jerp> alternate will let you select the partitions
[01:43] <crimsun> (since when were multiverse packages seeded in -desktop?)
[01:43] <TheGateKeeper> Hobbsee, I put arch on a P3 & it was noticable quicker, in fact the time to boot up & the time for kubuntu to boot up on a MUCH faster machine (Athlon XP2200) wasn't much in it, trust me (k)ubuntu is SLOW
[01:44] <hume> hi... i have problems with knetworkmanager. Every time I boot and am to log into my encrypted network, I first have to type in the wallet password, and then the WEP key - that seem not to be stored in wallet. Anyone can help me out?
[01:44] <bobby> crimsun: i have just installed ubuntu and i could play that video so im sure
[01:44] <php-freak> bobby: it said something about to make sure multiverse pakcages are installed, so im installing them
[01:44] <bobby> kubuntu*
[01:44] <crimsun> bobby: you didn't use easyubuntu or automatix or something?
[01:44] <bobby> ok
[01:45] <crimsun> bobby: because I'm the flashplugin-nonfree maintainer, and I -know- it's not installed by default.
[01:45] <bobby> dont even know what those things are
[01:45] <Hobbsee> TheGateKeeper: fair enough.
[01:45] <Jucato> it's not installed by default. but in Edgy, there's a small script that asks you if you want to install Flash when you first encounter Flash content using Konqueor
[01:45] <bobby> crimsun: all i did was trow in the kubuntu 6.1 cd and it works out of the box
[01:45] <drkm> has anyone experienced problems with downloading from rapidshare with KGet?
[01:46] <Jucato> Konqueror*
[01:46] <crimsun> TheGateKeeper: you'll find the metric that Ben used; feel free to refute them, though I'll caution you that optimising for i686 is a lost cause.
[01:46] <nagyv> and which kubuntu would you recommend to a non-power user? (dapper or edgy? I use edgy, but I was upgrading, and I can imagine, that a new install is much better)
[01:46] <bobby> havent seen that one script
[01:47] <hume> anyone can help me with kwallet? I have to type in my WEP network key every time even though it is saved in kwallet....
[01:47] <Jucato> bobby: the scripts pops up a dialog box
[01:47] <Jucato> er.. the script... it's not something you have to run manually
[01:48] <nagyv> sorry, was anybody answering me? (my konversation freezed :( )
[01:48] <TheGateKeeper> crimsun, all I know is that (k)ubuntu is slow in comaprison to some other distro's like arch, I don't precisely know what they are doing to get their speed, but (k)ubuntu devs could learn something from it
[01:48] <php-freak> okay I got it working
[01:49] <php-freak> alsa enabler
[01:49] <jerp> nagy, use the latest and greatest if your system is current
[01:50] <php-freak> don't look like his mouth is moving with the sound in my video
[01:50] <bobby> Jucato: i understand that and havent seen it
[01:50] <TheGateKeeper> I have personal experience so trying to persuade me otherwise is definately a LOST cause
[01:51] <andreasw> hi
[01:54] <TheGateKeeper> !fstab > TheGateKeeper
[01:55] <bobby> php-freak: sound on kubuntu is a bit tricky i guess still cant play media streams in amarox for some reason
[01:56] <jerp> nagy, use the latest and greatest if your system is current, but remember Dapper has LTS status
[02:00] <drkm> does anyone know how to get KGet to work with rapidshare.. it loads the download but only downloads the HTML file not the actual file it should be getting ?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> drkm: you tend to need to look for a "direct download" link, and feed it that
[02:03] <Hobbsee> drkm: asking the same question in 2 places is kinda annoying too, btw
[02:03] <drkm> Hobb: thats what I'm doing.. I can't see why it would be downloading the HTML still
[02:05] <drkm> ?
[02:10] <sivaji> ple some one help me
[02:10] <plbgnr> pls everyone... I have this http://paste.uni.cc/12506 tv tuner and want to use it ;)  which module should I use to achieve that?
[02:13] <sivaji> can u  help me
[02:14] <tsdgeos> sivaji: don't ask to ask, just ask
[02:14] <sivaji> i dont know i to run a c program
[02:15] <sivaji> i dont know how to run a c program
[02:16] <andreasw> sivaji: chmod +x foo.c
[02:16] <andreasw> a.out I mean ^^
[02:16] <andreasw> than ./a.out
[02:16] <andreasw> Have you already compiled the program sivaji?
[02:17] <sivaji> yes i got that a.out executablefile where i can see my out put
[02:17] <sivaji> yes
[02:17] <andreasw> ok than ./a.out should run the program
[02:18] <sivaji> how to run that when i tried to run in consol it disappears from directory
[02:18] <ahead> 
[02:19] <sivaji> i got *. o file also
[02:19] <Lynoure> !ch
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:19] <Lynoure> !cn
[02:19] <andreasw> sivaji: is this your own C program or did you download it from someone?
[02:19] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:20] <sivaji> it my own hello world program
[02:20] <ahead> 
[02:20] <ahead> thank you very much
[02:20] <andreasw> well did you try running ./a.out ?
[02:20] <Lynoure> ahead: feel free to ask questions in English here, too :)
[02:21] <sivaji> consol says there is no such directory /a.out but i could see that in same directory
[02:23] <tsdgeos> sivaji: ./ the dot is important
[02:25] <ahead> i want to ask a question in english ,but .......
[02:27] <hume> i have a i have problems playing dvds - do I have to manually install libdvdcss in some way to get a sharp picture?
[02:28] <TheGateKeeper> hume, I thiught you needed libdvdcss to get dvd playback, in any event I would recommend installling it
[02:29] <TheGateKeeper> intsalling*
[02:29] <TheGateKeeper> crap I can't type
[02:30] <hume> TheGateKeeper, ok, i installed the package libdvdcss through apt-get, but isn't there a script I have to run manually after that, somewhere?
[02:30] <TheGateKeeper> hume, not that I am aware of
[02:30] <umalone> Can someone tell me how to make an external ntfs usb drive writable? It's read-only as it is now.
[02:30] <hume> ok.. testing again
[02:31] <umalone> I was told that I need to install ntfs-3g package
[02:32] <umalone> but what to do after that is installed?
[02:32] <hume> TheGateKeeper, no better image, I'm afraid, unsharp and "shadowy" image... any ideas+
[02:32] <hume> ?
[02:33] <TheGateKeeper> repo for ntfs-3g --> deb http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ dapper main
[02:33] <umalone> I've just installed the ntfs-3g package here...
[02:33] <umalone> I just don't know what to do next.
[02:34] <TheGateKeeper> hume, never really had a problem so sorry, no, other might however
[02:34] <umalone> chmod doesn't seem to work
[02:34] <hume> anyone got ideas on how to solve bad images when playing dvds?
[02:35] <TheGateKeeper> umalone, not used the package myself, just know of it's existance
[02:35] <umalone> alright. I'll hunt for more info
[02:35] <umalone> Thanks anyway.
[02:47] <cntb> for scanner sharing will follow "How to share a scanner on your network" http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1751234
[02:47] <cntb> for scanner sharing will follow "How to share a scanner on your network" http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1751234
[02:47] <cntb> sorry for repeating
[02:48] <cntb> also found and will try sanetwain bridge
[02:48] <cntb> over the networking windows scanning from scanner connected to linux
[02:49] <cntb> http://sanetwain.ozuzo.net/
[02:51] <sivaji> ivaji> i yet to learn c program
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:12:47]  <sivaji> u
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:12:51]  <andreasw> for GUIs it isn't used very often
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:13:12]  <andreasw> but in embedded systems for example in cars, trains and so on
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:13:17]  <andreasw> it is used very often
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:13:33]  <andreasw> because it is not only fast but also produces very small programs
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:13:56]  <andreasw> In some environments space is very important.
[02:51] <sivaji> [Sat Dec 30 2006]  [19:14:10]  <sivaji> what is GNU i come across this very often but i dont know
[02:52] <aurka> Hello everybody, how can I find out whether I have CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER compiled as a module or into kernel (in a generic distro kernel, not compiled by me)...?
[02:53] <sivaji> andreaws
[02:53] <sivaji> andreaws
[02:53] <sivaji> are u there
[02:54] <sivaji> NickServ- The nickname [sivaji]  is already registered but cannt communicate with others ple some one help me
[02:55] <sivaji> NickServ- The nickname [sivaji]  is already registered but cannt communicate with others ple some one help me
[02:56] <gnomefreak> sivaji: that would mean someone else owns it or you havent identified to nickserv
[02:57] <sivaji> no just before i am chating with   a person by mistake i closed window when i came back i cannt
[02:58] <sonicGB> sivaji: /msg nickserv help
[02:58] <cntb> sivaji: /msg nickserv id p455w0rd
[02:58] <gnomefreak> yes i see your pm but i allow all pms
[02:59] <sivaji>  sivaji: /msg nickserv id p455w0rd i cannot understand say clearly
[03:00] <sivaji> gnomefreak help me to be in touch with others
[03:00] <gnomefreak> sivaji: if someone owns that name you cant
[03:01] <sivaji> no just five minutes back i am chatting with someone with same name
[03:02] <sivaji> now i can i get back
[03:02] <sivaji> gnomefreak help me
[03:03] <gnomefreak> sivaji: since someone else owns the name you CANT have it
[03:03] <gnomefreak> there is nothing i can do about that
[03:03] <gnomefreak> hint register a different name
[03:04] <gnomefreak> sivaji: best place to help you would be #freenode-social
[03:05] <cntb> sivaji: why not have several registered nicks
[03:05] <sivaji> i dont know how to register
[03:06] <gnomefreak> sivaji: /msg nickserv register help
[03:06] <mc__> Hello im using 6.10 on a notebook,and my keyboard doesnt work properly. Keystrokes with ALT dont work.
[03:06] <cntb> gnomefreak: dont they ask you why gnomefreak on kubunut?
[03:06] <gnomefreak> cntb: doesnt matter i have many names
[03:06] <cntb> me too gnomefreak
[03:07] <cntb> sivaji:  soon will have more
[03:07] <sivaji> what ? soon will have more
[03:07] <sivaji> i cant understand
[03:07] <cntb> sivaji:  being osessive about nick can lead you nowhere
[03:08] <cntb> follow me sivaji
[03:08] <sivaji> yes tell me
[03:08] <cntb> first chage nick now
[03:08] <sivaji> how to do that
[03:08] <cntb>  write  /nick newnick
[03:08] <cntb> do it
[03:09] <sivaji>  /nick newnick
[03:09] <cntb> haha
[03:09] <cntb> now your nick is newnick
[03:09] <sivaji> haha
[03:09] <cntb> invent something in place of newnick
[03:09] <sivaji> ok then
[03:09] <gnomefreak> sivaji: no space infront of / and change newnick to a nick you would like
[03:10] <cntb> well first char is /
[03:10] <cntb> watch me changing sivaji
[03:10] <cntb> doing /nick linopil
[03:11] <linopil> gnomefreak is now thunderstruck
[03:11] <gnomefreak> nop eim back :)
[03:11] <linopil> and cntb is linopil sivaji
[03:11] <sivaji> am i writ
[03:11] <sivaji> i am still getting sivaji y ?
[03:11] <linopil> think fast and do carefully sivaji
[03:11] <linopil> haha yes
[03:12] <gnomefreak> sivaji: you cant use the same name you are using now
[03:12] <linopil> simply write command /nick sivaji-ubuntu
[03:12] <gnomefreak> brb going for smoke
[03:12] <linopil> I just invented you a nick
[03:12] <linopil> o/ gnomefreak
[03:13] <sivaji-ubuntu> y
[03:13] <sivaji-ubuntu> yes thank u
[03:14] <sivaji-ubuntu> linopil still cannot chat will oters
[03:14] <sivaji-ubuntu> linopil still cannot chat will others
[03:14] <sivaji-ubuntu> do some thing
[03:14] <linopil> hi
[03:14] <Lynoure> sivaji-ubuntu: you cannot chat with others where?
[03:15] <linopil> good first step
[03:15] <linopil> now sivaji-ubuntu do next step
[03:15] <sivaji-ubuntu> tell me
[03:15] <linopil> which is :
[03:15] <sivaji-ubuntu> which is:
[03:15] <sivaji-ubuntu> are u there
[03:16] <linopil>  -- wait
[03:16] <linopil> again
[03:17] <linopil>  write /msg nickserv register sivajissmartpassword6to8characters
[03:17] <sivaji>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[03:17] <linopil> sivaji: ?
[03:17] <linopil> start the line with /msg
[03:17] <sivaji> just now i tried
[03:17] <linopil> put in "what you exactly tried"
[03:17] <gnomefreak> replace <password> with a password of your choice
[03:18] <linopil> go PM with me to try registered
[03:19] <linopil> [16:19]  <-> sivaji> private
 [16:19]  <-> sivaji> private ??????????/
[03:19] <linopil> msg me /msg linopil something
[03:21] <g-henna> maaan, i love unix :-) "cp -ruv /etc /media/usbdisk" -- ever tried *that* with windows? :-)
[03:21] <gnomefreak> you cant
[03:21] <sivaji> y
[03:22] <gnomefreak> g-henna: windows doesnt have /etc
[03:22] <linopil> did you try to PM sivaji ?
[03:22] <g-henna> and afterwards "dpkg --get-selections > /media/usbdisk/packages" -- and reinstalling becomes your favourite activity *grin*
[03:22] <g-henna> gnomefreak: i know, that's why i said it :-)
[03:22] <sivaji> what pm ?
[03:22] <gnomefreak> linopil: your in for a long day ;)
[03:25] <animimotus> hi
[03:26] <animimotus> I have just installed this theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=49721&file1=49721-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Kubuntu+Edgy+UserList for having a user list on logon
[03:26] <chrismir> Hi. I've seen so many howto's for installing beryl I can't figure out which one I should use. I use kubuntu edgy and have nvidia's GeForce 6800 LE. Anyone can point me to the best/most current howto?
[03:27] <animimotus> but the avatar doesn't appear
[03:29] <animimotus> someone have an idea?
[03:29] <linopil> sivaji was not so smart
[03:29] <chrismir> animimotus: Perhaps set the avatars in system-settings?
[03:29] <andreasw> linopil: I think he had a language problem
[03:31] <animimotus> chrismir: in "about me" I have a message something like "You adminator doesn't autorise the image changing"
[03:31] <chrismir> then change to admin mode :)
[03:32] <gaah> I have a problem getting my dual screen setup to work. kdm always starts on my secondary monitor instead of my primary, how do i define which monitor to use for screen0 and screen1 ?
[03:32] <animimotus> chrismir: where, please ?
[03:32] <gaah> from my xorg.log i see it detects DFP-0 and CRT-1 and it assigns CRT-1 as the monitor to use for screen0 and dfp-0 for screen1
[03:32] <gaah> i need to swap those so DFP-0 becomes screen0 ie the primary one
[03:33] <chrismir> animimotus: Well.. system-settings - advanced mode - login manager. then at the bottom there's a button 'administrator mode'
[03:36] <MHK> hello
[03:36] <MHK> i messed my ipw2200 up
[03:37] <chrismir> then fix it
[03:37] <chrismir> ;-)
[03:37] <MHK> my kubuntu 6.10 does not recognize my wlan-adapter anymore. but from the beginning on it actually did. so, how can i undo it?
[03:38] <MHK> is there any package i can install?
[03:38] <linopil> SANE questions
[03:39] <linopil> found a nice article anout Scanner sharing
[03:40] <linopil> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1751234
[03:40] <esben> MHK: Does not recognize.... what do you mean exactly?
[03:41] <MHK> esben: well, when i type "ifconfig" it used to return an "eth1" earlier, but now... only "eth0". that's where i'm hanging on now
[03:42] <esben> MHK: Right. Have you tried unloading/reloading the module yet?
[03:42] <MHK> esben: i admit, i did something wrong. i wanted to update ipw2200 from sf.net... but i messed it up
[03:42] <animimotus> chrismir: in "user" I have select "user, administrator" for the image source. But I can't change in "about me"
[03:42] <linopil> I want to discuss scanners
[03:42] <esben> MHK: Oh well, just reinstall the module. (Explanation coming, I just have to look up some of the steps)
[03:43] <MHK> esben: like "modprobe ipw2200"? -> result: FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[03:43] <esben> MHK: Definitely reinstall :) Find the module by loacte ipw2200
[03:43] <MHK> esben: thx man, i new to linux, so usually i fuck up the system twice before i get it running properly again...=)
[03:44] <MHK> esben: in the shell?
[03:44] <esben> MHK: Yes. Most likely it is the kernel package but is in nice to know how to do this :)
[03:45] <MHK> esben: well, i get some output...
[03:45] <esben> MHK: Then you should get the full path... most likely you'll get quite a few from different versions
[03:45] <Hobbsee> MHK: got linux-restricted-modules installed?  and updating the module from sf.net sounds like trouble
[03:45] <MHK> Hobbsee jep
[03:45] <esben> MHK: Just pick one that ends with .ko and do sudo dpkg -S (full name)
[03:46] <MHK> esben: yes, generic, i386 in usr/src/linux-headers and some /lib/firmware
[03:46] <quentin> salut a tous
[03:47] <esben> MHK: What does sudo dpkg -S <filename> give you on one of those? Don't pick the firmware :)
[03:47] <esben> MHK: Most likely, it is something like ....restricted... or else and linux...image
[03:47] <MHK> esben: well, i tried that one in /lib/modules...etc. the only with *.ko. it returned the full path.
[03:48] <MHK> esben: /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko
[03:48] <esben> MHK: MHK: You tried "sudo dpkg -S  /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko"?
[03:49] <MHK> esben: yes, hope i didn't kill anything important... =S
[03:49] <esben> MHK: You should get a line like this one: linux-image-2.6.15-27-amd64-k8: /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx
[03:49] <esben> MHK: You want the name before the colon
[03:49] <chrismir> animimotus: hmm. I also selected 'user, administrator' but I _can_ change the image (both login manager as in about me)
[03:49] <MHK> esben: linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko
[03:49] <chrismir> animimotus: So I'm not sure wat is wrong
[03:49] <MHK> esben: sorry, didn't read =(
[03:50] <esben> MHK: Great :) Then just reinstall that one with "sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic"
[03:50] <esben> MHK: And then modprobe again when you're done
[03:51] <MHK> esben: just that?
[03:51] <esben> Should do it
[03:51] <esben> MHK: No you're not :)
[03:51] <MHK> esben: trying.... brb
[03:52] <esben> kk
[03:52] <chrismir> so many beryl howto's. which one I shou;d use?
[03:52] <MHK> esben: hope that my harddisk won't be touched...got a semester work on it...
[03:53] <esben> MHK: Should be completely harmless
[03:53] <MHK> esben: well, now knetworkmanager shows me that no wlan is avaible in the neighboorhood, but this is completely normal... =D
[03:53] <MHK> esben: thx, it worked!
[03:54] <esben> MHK: Smiles happily :)
[03:55] <MHK> esben: are you a kernel dev?
[03:56] <esben> MHK: No, just a user (I develop software, but in a completely different area)
[03:56] <MHK> esben: what actually did i? i mean, it's good it works again, but i allways want to know what happens behind the scene...
[03:56] <eg_> hey, what do I have to do, to use php4-cgi?
[03:56] <esben> MHK: You had overwritten the .ko file with some bogus version for another kernel... you just refreshed it with the version supplied from Ubuntu
[03:57] <esben> MHK: apt-get is the program Adept uses behind the scene
[03:57] <eg_> i've allready installed it, but how do I activate it?
[03:57] <MHK> esben: i just reinstalled the standard kernel? *cannot belive that it was so simple*
[03:58] <esben> MHK: It was, and yes :)
[03:58] <hume> how can I install a pdf-printer that is accessible from openoffice, so I can print to pdf, not just export (to make use of more options to get what I want on the pdf)
[03:58] <hume> anyone got ideas on this?
[03:58] <MHK> esben: what does: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic ?
[03:59] <esben> MHK: Reinstall the the 2.6.17-10-generic version of the linux kernel
[03:59] <MHK> esben: sorry, this one: sudo dpkg -S  /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko
[03:59] <esben> MHK: Find the pacakge that contain the  /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko file
[03:59] <MHK> esben: i usually use apt-get to install, i know this, was just the wrong copy&paste
[03:59] <esben> MHK: Happens :)
[04:00] <esben> MHK: Poor table, poor head... come on, be good to 'em :) Have a laugh: http://www.jesusandmo.net/2005/12/28/guess/ (stay away if religious)
[04:01] <MHK> esben: ROFL, that one is good! =D (my religion: linux and hacking, the rest is lost time!)
[04:02] <esben> MHK: :D
[04:02] <MHK> esben: thx a lot!
[04:02] <esben> I'd better go do some dish washing, be back later :) And no problem :)
[04:02] <MHK> esben: got to go...
[04:02] <MHK> esben: cya
[04:04] <Ridayah> I'm trying to add the 'view mode' and 'sort' context menus to Konqueror's right-click menu, anyone have an idea on how to do tuat?
[04:05] <Ridayah> do that*
[04:08] <esben> Ridayah: I don't, but that question is answered every week or so on the KDE mailing list, so try google for a solution :)
[04:09] <esben> Ridayah: That sounded a bit harsh :/ No offense meant of course :) Happy new year to all :D
[04:10] <Ridayah> Heh, I've been digging for a week so I must not be looking in the right place!
[04:10] <Ridayah> I see all about the servicemenus and such, which is indeed useful, not quite what I'm looking for. Well guess I can keep looking.
[04:11] <ubuntu> Salut
[04:13] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, I can access my windows box via samba from both Linux machines, but not vice versa. The two Linux machines can't access each other's shares either. What could be the problem?
[04:13] <Captain_Haddock> Firewall turned off.
[04:13] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:13] <Captain_Haddock> H .. e .. l .. l .. o slow-motion
[04:13] <Captain_Haddock> :P
[04:13] <slow-motion> hi Captain_Haddock
[04:14] <Ridayah> esben: I keep googling and keep turning up nothing on how to get them in place, if -you- know where it says it'd be greatly appreciated.
[04:18] <Roadrunner1985> !ntfs-3g
[04:18] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:23] <blubb-kbox> hi, how do i change my charsets?
[04:25] <braddoro> i upgraded to edgy from dapper and someting went wrong when I ran dist-upgrade.  There are a bunch of apckahes that look half installed and the bad part is my networking stopped wotking so I can't get to the internet to redownload them.  Does anyone have any suggestions for me?
[04:43] <adaran> hello everyone. i have a sis900 network chip, which is correctly detected and the sis900 module loads fine. however, i have no /dev/eth0 - how is that possible?
[04:47] <max_> what do i need to download for mp3 support in k3b?
[04:47] <Mez> ^restricted
[04:48] <Mez> !info libk3bmp3
[04:48] <ubotu> Package libk3bmp3 does not exist in any distro I know
[04:48] <max_> !k3b
[04:48] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[04:48] <Mez> !info libk3bmp30
[04:48] <ubotu> Package libk3bmp30 does not exist in any distro I know
[04:48] <Mez> !info libk3b2-mp3
[04:48] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[04:49] <Jucato> hi Mez! :0
[04:49] <Jucato> :)
[04:50] <Mez> hi Jucato
[04:50] <Jucato> Mez: how's katapult doing? any new features we can look forward too? :)
[04:51] <Mez> Jucato - at the moment - I'm having soooo many difficulties trying to fix a few problems with it
[04:52] <Mez> my home Pc is rebooted about every 10 mins when I'm trying to fix it as it currently randlomly crashes out the whole system
[04:52] <Jucato> ouch?!
[04:52] <Mez> Jucato - indeed
[04:52] <Mez> brb
[04:52] <Jucato> well, good luck
[04:52] <Jucato> Mez: and a Happy New Year!
[04:52] <Mez> back
[04:53] <Jucato> wee that was fast :)
[04:53] <Mez> Jucato - also all the catalogs need re-doing to the new API
[04:53] <Jucato> KDE 4 API?
[04:53] <Mez> Jucato - I was grabbing a coke :D
[04:53] <Mez> Jucato - oh, and that
[04:53] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:53] <Mez> no - the new Katapult API ... multithreading and multi actions, and multi results
[04:53] <Jucato> ooh nice
[04:54] <root______> I installed a program called as 3dchess, but I can't figure out how to run it
[04:54] <Mez> luckily atm we have backwards compatibility for old stuff :D
[04:54] <Mez> !info 3dchess
[04:54] <ubotu> 3dchess: 3D chess for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-12 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 132 kB
[04:54] <Jucato> root______: (I hope you're not running as root) the executable is in /usr/bin/games, afaik
[04:54] <Jucato> er.. /usr/games, I mean
[04:54] <Roadrunner1985> !nvidia
[04:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:55] <Jucato> root______: it doesn't get added to the K Menu
[04:55] <root______> hmm
[04:56] <braddoro> !dhclient
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dhclient - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <Jucato> root______: afaik,you just have to type in the name of the executable (3dchess, iirc) in Konsole or in Alt+F2
[04:56] <braddoro> !eth0
[04:56] <root______> jucato: I tried that without success
[04:56] <bytedevil> hello
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eth0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <Jucato> Mez: btw, have you seen Launchy, a launcher for Windows? http://www.launchy.net/#introduction
[04:56] <bytedevil> hola
[04:57] <bytedevil> hay algun espaol?
[04:57] <Jucato> !es | bytedevil
[04:57] <ubotu> bytedevil: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:57] <Jucato> root______: have you checked in /usr/games?
[04:57] <root______> will do
[04:57] <Ridayah> Okay; I'm going to ask again.
[04:58] <Ridayah> How do you make changes to the Konqueror right click menu that ARE NOT service menus? Things like 'sort' and 'view mode'
[04:58] <Jucato> Mez: it's open source, too. the difference is that it shows possible hits/matches to what you type. just checking if you saw that already :)
[04:58] <braddoro> How do I go about getting networking on edgy, when it seems not there
[04:58] <Jucato> Ridayah: I'm afraid it's in the source code, but I'm not entirely sure.
[04:59] <Mez> Jucato - we have seen launchy yes ... and quicksilver and all the other alternatices ... :D
[04:59] <Ridayah> If I have to go fudge the source code so be it
[04:59] <Jucato> Mez: of course, you would have. silly me... :)
[05:00] <XVampireX> Hu
[05:00] <XVampireX> Hi
[05:00] <XVampireX> How do I boot the livecd into a different language?
[05:01] <root______> isn't there a program in kubuntu that finds installed programs and places the launchers in the k-menu?
[05:01] <tsdgeos> kbuildsycoca?
[05:01] <Mez> root______ - hit alt+space :D
[05:01] <tsdgeos> root______: that should be done automatically
[05:01] <Jucato> root______: not if they're not meant to... some apps really don't
[05:01] <Mez> oh
[05:01] <tsdgeos> ah
[05:01] <Mez> lol
[05:01] <Mez> :D
[05:01] <Jucato> tsdgeos: some apps don't, for some reason. one of them is 3D Chess
[05:01] <tsdgeos> there's kappfinder too
[05:01] <XVampireX> Yeah, some apps don't have .desktop files
[05:02] <XVampireX> You can manually go to edit kmenu and press save
[05:02] <Mez> root______ - it depends on how the programs packaged... you might want to install menu - there should be something in there :D
[05:02] <Jucato> yep
[05:02] <Mez> !menu | root______
[05:02] <ubotu> menu: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.29 (edgy), package size 379 kB, installed size 1580 kB
[05:02] <XVampireX> Can anyone please help me? :P
[05:02] <XVampireX> How do I boot the livecd into a different language?
[05:02] <root______> cheers, thanks guys
[05:02] <tsdgeos> XVampireX: maybe it's not supported?
[05:03] <XVampireX> I think it is
[05:03] <Mez> XVampireX - YOU CANT REALLY
[05:03] <Mez> XVampireX -  however - see In Gnome, your preferred browser can be changed in System > Preferences > More Preferences > Preferred Applications. If you're not using Gnome, e.g KDE or some other desktop environment, you're fresh out of luck! Any patches to automatically support opening a URL in KDE's preferred browser would be happily accepted.
[05:03] <Mez> grr
[05:03] <Jucato> O.o
[05:03] <Mez> XVampireX see http://lichota.net/~krzysiek/projects/ubuntu-livecd-customization/ for on how to make a custom livecd
[05:04] <soulrider> Mez: i think it is posible to change the default browser
[05:04] <Mez> Jucato - am using windows ... :D (not my choice) and am not used to it not having an auto-buffer feature
[05:04] <XVampireX> Oh, so the livecd is english only?
[05:04] <Jucato> Mez: http://www.thekatapult.org.uk/ is gone?
[05:04] <Jucato> Mez: ooh.... really ouch...
[05:04] <Mez> XVampireX - no - you can change the language once you've logged in :D
[05:04] <soulrider> XVampireX: im not sure, but you can install kubuntu in any language
[05:04] <tsdgeos> Mez: kde has the same dude
[05:04] <XVampireX> I know
[05:05] <Mez> Jucato - yes - the gits cancelled my account for no reason - I'm bitching at support :D
[05:05] <XVampireX> But livecd itself
[05:05] <Mez> Jucato - and it'll be moving to .net
[05:05] <tsdgeos> Mez: kcontrol->kde components->web navigation
[05:05] <XVampireX> Anyway, be back later
[05:05] <XVampireX> I don't need the different language support in livecd, but my friends do
[05:05] <Mez> tsdgeos - yes - but that doesnt change the issue that was the problem earlier
[05:05] <tsdgeos> Mez: ?
[05:05] <Mez> XVampireX - you can change it once it's booted...
[05:06] <malik_> can any one tell me if there is a repository for frostwire?
[05:06] <XVampireX> Mez: How?
[05:06] <malik_> becoz from the website i am unable to download working package.......it keeps getting opened and corrupted by kate
[05:07] <Mez> XVampireX - somewhere in one of the control panels :D
[05:07] <Mez> not too sure - not done it myself
[05:07] <XVampireX> Mez: Alright, thanks
[05:07] <Zarephath> Hrmm.. I just issued a sudo apt-get update and it tells me that /var/lib/apt/ doesn't exist, I have no idea why it would be missing...I haven't deleted it...can I just recreate the directory structure?
[05:08] <soulrider> malik_: frostwire has a deb package
[05:08] <soulrider> in their site
[05:08] <soulrider> but i think theres a small problem with it.
[05:08] <soulrider> Theres a tutorial on http://ubuntuforums.org on how to get frostwire running properly
[05:08] <root______> I'm tryin to install firefox 2.0, is there anyway to do it through a repository or a .deb.. from the firefox website I can only download a tarball
[05:09] <Mez> XvampireX have you spoken to your loco team - they may provide localisedx CDS
[05:09] <soulrider> root______: i think the one in the repos is the 2.0 version
[05:09] <Zarephath> root______: using apt-get? I would assume it has been added to the repository by now
[05:10] <TheGateKeeper> root______, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:10] <root______> I tried doing apt-get and it says I have ot most recent one
[05:10] <malik_> soulrider: yes i tried that but the version at the ubuntu is old plus deb package is bit crooked there..........i was wondering if some1 has it in some repository or can some1 mail me the package?:)
[05:10] <arun_> i want to know whether properitery multimeedia codecs are available in backports only
[05:10] <Jucato> arun_: they're in multiverse
[05:10] <Kr4t05> !restricted > arun_
[05:10] <soulrider> mailk check this out. http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/web/firefox
[05:10] <soulrider> its the latest version
[05:11] <root______> nick- h
[05:12] <root______> how dows one change the irc nickname
[05:12] <root______> ?
[05:12] <root______> does
[05:12] <slow-motion> bbl
[05:12] <braddoro> ./nick
[05:12] <soulrider> type /nick and then the nickname
[05:12] <malik_> soulrider: i think u meant to send that link to root :)
[05:12] <Jucato> root______: /nick <nick>
[05:12] <Jucato> root______: I hope you're not running as root though...
[05:13] <root______> no I'm not
[05:13] <soulrider> yah malik_ sorry :P
[05:13] <soulrider> root______:
[05:13] <Mez> root______ your ident says you are... trying to attract haxx0rs ?
[05:13] <soulrider> root______:  here you can see the package in the repos is the latest one http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/web/firefox
[05:13] <root______> my ident?
[05:13] <root______> what's that
[05:14] <root______> I'm fairly confident I'm not running as root
[05:14] <root______> as I understand it, the root is disabled in ubuntu by default no?
[05:14] <Jucato> root______: yes. but did you, by any chance, launch Konversation with "kdesu" or "sudo"?
[05:15] <root______> nope
[05:15] <root______> I launched it through the run command
[05:15] <root______> and just did konversation
[05:15] <root______> not sure why it chose my username as root_________
[05:16] <Jucato> hm..
[05:16] <iftiq> huzzah
[05:16] <iftiq> I'm not longer root
[05:17] <Mez> iftiq is n=root@202.70.153.50 * root
[05:18] <braddoro> what does it mean when filenames have .dpkg-new appended to the end of them?
[05:19] <root______> hmm this time I made sure not to to do sudo konversation or anything such
[05:19] <root______> and it still calls me root
[05:19] <arun_> i want to use kubuntu for learning java programming ,is it possible
[05:19] <Jucato> weird...
[05:23] <soulrider> arun_: of crouse
[05:23] <soulrider> i program in java
[05:23] <ubuntu> salut tout le monde
[05:23] <soulrider> salut ubuntu
[05:23] <Hassan2a> c'est cool ce chat
[05:23] <arun_> so i can install jdk through apt-get
[05:23] <Hassan2a> c'est pour aider les news linuxiens ??
[05:24] <soulrider> !fr | Hassan2a
[05:24] <ubotu> Hassan2a: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:24] <soulrider> arun_: yes you can
[05:24] <arun_> are u in india
[05:24] <soulrider> you need to enable the multiverse and universe repositories and install sun-java5-jdk i believe
[05:24] <malik_> is it possible to install frostwire from linux tarbal package on kubuntu edgy?
[05:24] <Hassan2a> salut soulrider
[05:24] <soulrider> me? =/
[05:24] <Hassan2a> dites est ce que sur gnome ya client irc comme sur kde ?
[05:25] <soulrider> Hassan2a: i dont speak your language, sorry :P
[05:25] <soulrider> malik_: theres a tutorial on how to install frostwire correcly in the ubuntu forums
[05:25] <soulrider> check it out
[05:26] <malik_> thats didnt do me any good........i think that is outdated
[05:26] <soulrider> have you tried installing the .deb package on frostwires site ?
[05:26] <soulrider> also, do you have java installed ?
[05:26] <arun_> i want to share a cd-writer in windows through samba  is it possible
[05:26] <soulrider> arun_: no idea
[05:26] <malik_> they are saying frostwire version is 4.10.*** but on the website its 4.13.1.4
[05:27] <arun_> k where are u living in this small world
[05:27] <soulrider> malik_: try installing the deb package on forstwires site, if it doesnt run properly follow the instructions on hte forums, but just isnatll the latest package
[05:27] <soulrider> i liv ein Uruguay
[05:27] <soulrider> live in*
[05:28] <Hassan2a> 1*
[05:28] <Hassan2a> ???
[05:28] <Hassan2a> allo
[05:28] <malik_> yes i have java installed and when i try to download ubuntu pack from frostwire website it gets opened up by kate and then it stuffs it n i cant install it any more
[05:28] <Hassan2a> ya quelqu'un ?
[05:28] <Hassan2a> hum
[05:28] <soulrider> Hassan2a: french ?
[05:28] <Hassan2a> yes or english :d
[05:29] <Hassan2a> bon
[05:29] <soulrider> you have a french channel
[05:29] <Hassan2a> soul ?
[05:29] <soulrider> you can only use english on this channel
[05:29] <soulrider> !fr
[05:29] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:29] <Roadrunner1985> !aMule
[05:29] <soulrider> arun_: austria ?
[05:29] <Hassan2a> ok parlons franais alors :d
[05:30] <Hassan2a> je peux te poser une question N*
[05:30] <soulrider> !fr | Hassan2a
[05:30] <ubotu> Hassan2a: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:30] <Fir3Ligth> please speak english Hassan2a
[05:31] <Fir3Ligth> i'am french but speak english
[05:31] <iftiq> hmm I can't find firefox 2.0
[05:31] <iftiq> in the repos
[05:31] <Mez> !fr Hassan2a
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr Hassan2a - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <Mez> !fr | Hassan2a
[05:31] <ubotu> Hassan2a: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:31] <soulrider> iftiq: its there
[05:32] <soulrider> !firefox | iftiq
[05:32] <ubotu> iftiq: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:32] <Roadrunner1985> !mp3
[05:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:33] <Hassan2a> en fait est ce que sur gnome il ya un truc pour se connecter  l'irc comme sur kde ??
[05:33] <Hassan2a> plus personne ?
[05:38] <arun_> hello
[05:40] <Vincent_k> Hi all, I did the hardwaredetectionthing but it couldnt send the results. Now I have a package that I'm suppose to send as an atachment. What's the adress to where to send it? I missed it when finished the detectionapp.
[05:42] <malik_> oki can some1 tell me whats wrong with frostwire?..........coz i just downloaded tarbal version n extracted it with ark and then from within that extracted folder i am able to run frostwire by double clicking the runfrostwire.sh file but it hasnt installed any thing on the system
[05:45] <nasab> ubuntu.hu
[05:47] <TheGateKeeper> if I want to tinker around with kdevelop then if I install that & build-essentials will that cover most of what I initially need?
[05:49] <malik_> oki can some1 tell me whats wrong with frostwire?..........coz i just downloaded tarbal version n extracted it with ark and then from within that extracted folder i am able to run frostwire by double clicking the runfrostwire.sh file but it hasnt installed any thing on the system
[05:52] <TheGateKeeper> malik_, so just make a menu item that runs runfrostwire.sh & sound like your done
[05:53] <TheGateKeeper> sounds*
[05:53] <thoreauputic> !frostwire
[05:53] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:53] <paulw2>  /quit
[05:55] <burepe> Ktorrent just started crashing on me. Can anyone tell me how I can fix it? This is the out put when I start it in the command line http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39490/ and this is what the crash handler says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39491/ Thank
[05:57] <sungam> burepe, I haven't looked into it in a while, but it used to be a common issue. Try using another torrent client :)
[05:58] <burepe> I really would like to fix it.
[05:58] <soulrider> burepe: i think the best you can do is run utorrent with wine
[05:58] <soulrider> thats what i do
[05:59] <soulrider> either that or azureus
[05:59] <soulrider> i find ktorrent to be a rather abd client
[05:59] <sungam> burepe, don't think there is any easy fix. At least not unless it's been fixed lately :)
[05:59] <esaym> I have never had a problem with ktorrent
[05:59] <Roadrunner1985> !automatiks
[05:59] <esaym> but I mainly use emule
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatiks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <burepe> I like it. I have been using it for months. I wonder what caused it to start
[05:59] <Roadrunner1985> !automatix
[05:59] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:00] <Roadrunner1985> !install
[06:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:00] <esaym> does any one know how to add a short cut to my hard drive on my panel/task bar?
[06:00] <esaym> i got a short cut on my desktop but i cant get one on the panel
[06:00] <esaym> been trying to figure it out for like a month
[06:01] <Roadrunner1985> esaym i know it. but my english is to bad to explain this.
[06:01] <sungam> !spam | roadrunner
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <Roadrunner1985> sungam: haha
[06:02] <esaym> I live in texas. I am good at figure out other languages ;)
[06:02] <sungam> Roadrunner1985,  :)
[06:02] <esaym> It can't be that hard?
[06:02] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: im german xD
[06:02] <esaym> so am I
[06:02] <esaym> I just don't speak it
[06:03] <esaym> Come on Roadrunner1985
[06:03] <esaym> :(
[06:04] <esaym> or anyone else...
[06:04] <sungam> esaym, is the konqueror button on your panel?
[06:05] <esaym> yea
[06:05] <esaym>  just want a shortcut button to /dev/hda5
[06:05] <esaym> on my panel
[06:05] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: drag and drop your shortcut to the bar. ;)
[06:05] <esaym> I think i tried that, let me try again
[06:06] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: so i tryed it out before a few seconds. runs perfectly
[06:06] <esaym> It adds it to the panel but when I click I get
[06:06] <esaym> It adds it to the panel but when I click I get
[06:06] <esaym> crap
[06:06] <esaym> Service '/home/laptop/.kde/share/apps/kicker/Hard Disc Device-3.desktop' is malformatted.
[06:07] <esaym> thats what I get when I click it on the panel
[06:07] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: where is it mounted?
[06:08] <esaym> on root
[06:08] <Roadrunner1985>  on /root/ ?
[06:08] <esaym> yea
[06:09] <Roadrunner1985> hmm. than drag and drop the folder (mount) to the bar.
[06:09] <esaym> what do you mean by folder?
[06:09] <evan_> hello guys... konquerer is giving me this error
[06:09] <evan_> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[06:09] <evan_>  klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.
[06:09] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: i mean that you drag&drop /root/ to the bar.
[06:10] <Roadrunner1985> oh damn. my english >.<
[06:10] <evan_> any ideas? plaz msg me.. tnx
[06:11] <esaym> dragging a folder works
[06:11] <esaym> ok I got it.  I dragged my /home folder onto the bar then renamed it to /root/
[06:11] <esaym> THANKS
[06:11] <Roadrunner1985> no problem esaym
[06:11] <esaym> io-slave I have seen that somewherer before
[06:11] <esaym> maybe search the forum?
[06:12] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: try it out ;)
[06:12] <revolution27> i'll try the forum :(
[06:13] <revolution27> oh wait i can't use konquerer lol... fires up firefox
[06:15] <esaym> ah man this shortcut is nice :)
[06:15] <esaym> any good kubuntu forums?
[06:15] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: i know. a shortcut is a nice thing xD
[06:16] <Roadrunner1985> esaym: http://kubuntuforums.net/
[06:16] <claydoh> esaym: http:kubuntuforums.net
[06:16] <revolution27> any one have any idea about this error for konqueror?
[06:16] <revolution27> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[06:16] <revolution27>  klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.
[06:16] <claydoh> tho there is a lot of Kubuntu content on ubuntuforums
[06:17] <Talharn> :
[06:17] <Talharn> Bonjours
[06:18] <basstich> Good day, eh - I have a 'STALL' question - when transfering files from hd to sdcard, it starts off at blazing speed - and then STALLS...
[06:18] <basstich> ....anyone?
[06:19] <claydoh> revolution27: you can try reinstalling the package 'kdelibs'
[06:19] <claydoh> lots of ggole hits on the error, but no realm answers
[06:20] <revolution27> yeh i searched... alot of stuff in other languages
[06:20] <revolution27> any idae what would cause this to happen?
[06:21] <pwn4tt4ck> mornin
[06:21] <claydoh> basstich: probably it first creates the directories (fast) then copies the files (slower)
[06:21] <esaym> http://kubuntuforums.net/ <-- seems kinda liek a small community
[06:21] <esaym> not too much info
[06:22] <esaym> better then nothing I guess
[06:22] <claydoh> ya, but I like it there
[06:22] <revolution27> kubuntu has been giving me soo much trouble lately
[06:22] <basstich> anyone help with file transfer stalls?
[06:23] <revolution27> claydoh said <claydoh> basstich: probably it first creates the directories (fast) then copies the files (slower)
[06:23] <claydoh> but he did say stalls, which i just realized means it isn't copying ;(
[06:23] <basstich> it copies small files.. no problem
[06:23] <claydoh> tho sometimes it for me says "stalled" but it is still transferring
[06:23] <basstich> but BIG files start... then slow... then stalls
[06:24] <basstich> claydoh - it eventually quits.
[06:24] <basstich> weird
[06:24] <claydoh> never had that happen to me unfortunately
[06:24] <basstich> I'm relatively new to linux - but as everything else works great, I'm sure it is a buffer setting
[06:25] <revolution27> nothing is working great for me :(
[06:25] <claydoh> revolution27: what version you run?
[06:25] <basstich> how about on a 1 GB + file?
[06:29] <revolution27> wow it really is giving me problems... i can't even open adept
[06:29] <revolution27> i better re-start
[06:36] <luh> hi
[06:37] <luh> i'm trying to get a microphone running - it's definetely correctly hooked - because i hear a noise when i put it on and when i put it off again
[06:37] <luh> what do i have to do that i really get input
[06:37] <luh> and can use it in skype for example as well?
[06:38] <[GuS] > Hi people!!! I'm having some problems in Kubuntu edgy since i've upgraded from Dapper... in the xkb configuration (inside Systemsettings) i have this, none keyboars/language to choose: http://www.lnxteam.org/downloads/pub/pics/kubuntu/xkb-problem.png
[06:38] <revolution27> i rebooted and everything's fine but when i drag a window it moves very slow.... what could that be? my screen refresh rate?i don't think so
[06:39] <hoody> hi there ... got trouble with my bcm431o wifi card ... i got it working with ndiswrapper and i can connect to networks using iwconfig ... now i wanna use knetworkmanager but it doesn't show up any devices
[06:42] <hoody> revolution27 did u install any graphicdrivers?
[06:45] <Lynoure> How I can  change the background color for inactive items in Kasbar? It shows background color as black in the settings but actually it is dark grey, and changing the black into something does not do anything
[06:49] <hassan2a> salut tout le monde
[06:50] <hassan2a> hi all
[06:51] <hassan2a> c'est nul ya personne ^^
[06:52] <hassan2a> ??*
[06:53] <hassan2a> salut milian
[06:53] <Fir3Ligth> hassan2a tape /join #kubuntu-fr
[06:54] <hassan2a> pourquoi ?
[06:54] <Fir3Ligth> parce que ici on parle anglais
[06:54] <hassan2a> fir3
[06:54] <Fir3Ligth> :)
[06:55] <Fir3Ligth> merci de ta comprhension hassan2a :=)
[06:55] <hassan2a> parlons anglais alors :D
[06:56] <TheGateKeeper> what is the package called that has the KDE headers?
[06:56] <Theory> kdelibs4-dev ?
[06:57] <TheGateKeeper> Theory: found that one thanx, installing now...
[06:57] <hoody> kdelibs
[06:58] <hoody> kde4 is still beta?!
[06:58] <tsdgeos> hoody: no
[06:59] <tsdgeos> kde4 is still alpha
[06:59] <tsdgeos> or pre-alpha
[07:00] <hoody> doesn't matter although isn't final
[07:01] <TheGateKeeper> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. <-- this what I have got, kdelibs says it doesn't have any development files, so what do you think I need?
[07:02] <TheGateKeeper> hoody: you sure kdelibs is what I need?
[07:03] <hoody> maybe kdebase-dev
[07:03] <gano> hi all
[07:03] <hoody> kdebase-dev or kdelibs i'm not quite sure
[07:05] <gano> when i dowload kubuntu it capacity=515 and the capacity in website=699.99 i don t know what is difference?
[07:05] <gano> any body know
[07:05] <gano> ?
[07:06] <gano> please help
[07:06] <Theory> gano: are you talking about the iso image?
[07:07] <Schuenemann> is there a bug with de desktop auto-align?
[07:07] <Schuenemann> the desktop*
[07:07] <TheGateKeeper> thanx hoody that was the one I needed :-)
[07:07] <hoody> np
[07:07] <gano> i don t understand what do you mean?
[07:07] <Schuenemann> I mean it's not working
[07:07] <hassan2a> there isn't difference
[07:08] <hoody> anybody in here familiar with knetworkmanager?
[07:10] <gano> is the linux better than windows?
[07:10] <Schuenemann> better is relative
[07:10] <hoody> if you wanna play ... NO
[07:10] <Kr4t05> gano: In some ways, yes, in other ways, no.
[07:11] <Schuenemann> hoody: how about cedega?
[07:11] <gano> better in what?
[07:11] <Kr4t05> gano: If you want a secure, stable system that you can form around yourself, then yes.
[07:11] <hoody> haven't used it ... but i know that not all games are working with it
[07:11] <Schuenemann> it's free
[07:11] <gano> and not better in what?
[07:11] <hoody> and i guess performance isn't that good
[07:12] <hassan2a> yes
[07:12] <Kr4t05> If you want to play the latest games and you want to be able to have everything done point-and-click, then no.
[07:12] <Schuenemann> your probably very used to some programs that you won't find out in linux
[07:12] <Kr4t05> gano: There are many things that you have to do from a terminal (Think DOS-Prompt).
[07:12] <Schuenemann> which isn't linux's fault, of course
[07:12] <gano> hassan:from where?
[07:13] <Schuenemann> is there a bug with de desktop auto-align?
[07:13] <Schuenemann> is there a bug with the desktop auto-align?*
[07:13] <hoody> i don't think so
[07:13] <hoody> works fine for me
[07:13] <Schuenemann> I believe it used to work for me too
[07:14] <Schuenemann> I just noticed today that it's not working
[07:16] <hassan2a> hello all
[07:16] <gano> from where you?
[07:16] <gano> hassan2a
[07:42] <BrianSteffens> is anything special needed (like a special driver install) to use raids in *buntu?
[07:44] <matthew_> !raid | BrianSteffens
[07:44] <ubotu> BrianSteffens: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[07:44] <BrianSteffens> matthew_ ty, trying to help a friend
[07:45] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, cool...I know nothing about RAID's ...just enough to do a little ! before the word in question...lol
[07:45] <coreymon77> ya, that usually works
[07:46] <coreymon77> oh watch this
[07:46] <coreymon77> !seen anything
[07:46] <ubotu> I haven't seen anything recently
[07:46] <BrianSteffens> matthew_ yeah i know absolutely nothing.. my friend says his raids are conflicting on the hda/hdb/etc devices and swapping around a bit and messing with his boot lol
[07:46] <coreymon77> poor blind bot!
[07:46] <matthew_> !anything
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <BrianSteffens> haha
[07:46] <coreymon77> dumb bot
[07:46] <coreymon77> heres a snack dumbo!
[07:46] <matthew_> very helpful though
[07:46] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[07:46] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:47] <coreymon77> speaking of which
[07:47] <coreymon77> i gotta go each lunch now
[07:48] <coreymon77> im hungry!
[07:53] <pwn4tt4ck> here is a general question: should ten year olds be allowed on the internet without supervision and allowed to roam through chatrooms
[07:53] <coreymon77> pwn4tt4ck: i personally am against those child internet blocker program things
[07:54] <coreymon77> and depending on what chatrooms you are talkinga bout, sure
[07:54] <pwn4tt4ck> coreymon77: so you think kids should be allowed to roam all through the internet and chatrooms without supervision?
[07:54] <coreymon77> this chatroom for example, is perfectly fine
[07:55] <coreymon77> heres the problem pwn4tt4ck
[07:55] <pwn4tt4ck> coreymon77: I dont think they should have those blocker progs, I'm against that too, but I think mom or dad should at least be sitting there supervising
[07:55] <coreymon77> they could
[07:55] <coreymon77> but heres the problem
[07:55] <coreymon77> once the parents stop supervising and the kdis are allowed to finally roam free
[07:56] <coreymon77> they wil be overwhelmed with all the things that they where protected from earlier
[07:56] <coreymon77> and will be more tempted to do them
[07:56] <pwn4tt4ck> right, so lets go ahead and expose them to it at ten
[07:56] <pwn4tt4ck> at least when they're older, say sixteen, they can handle it
[07:57] <coreymon77> okay, that is jsut rediculou
[07:57] <coreymon77> s
[07:57] <pwn4tt4ck> or will know partly how to process it
[07:57] <coreymon77> you dont have to supervise internet use until they are 16
[07:57] <pwn4tt4ck> coreymon77: I just watched a ten year old girl go into a chatroom full of hackers and get eaten alived
[07:57] <pwn4tt4ck> alive*
[07:57] <coreymon77> just do it gradually
[07:58] <coreymon77> now im gonna go eat
[07:58] <pwn4tt4ck> I agree, but giving a kid the internet at ten years old, all of it, with no supervision, is a pretty bad idea
[07:58] <pwn4tt4ck> ok
[07:58] <coreymon77> maybe so
[07:58] <coreymon77> just dont be too protective
[07:58] <pwn4tt4ck> Oh I agree, but you cant be too unprotective, either, make sense?
[07:58] <pwn4tt4ck> ok go eat
[07:58] <coreymon77> and do not install blocker programs and the like
[07:58] <pwn4tt4ck> I dont want to keep you
[07:59] <fdoving> pwn4tt4ck: my personal opinoin is that kids should have moral/ethic internet rules, not filters or programs 'watching' them.
[07:59] <pwn4tt4ck> agree
[07:59] <yogi> Hello... is it necessary to register the gstreamer in Edgy?
[07:59] <pwn4tt4ck> but I think until they're old enough to understand what is right and wrong on their own, mom and dad should supervise
[07:59] <coreymon77> that just encourages and tempts kids to learn how to hack through them
[07:59] <fdoving> pwn4tt4ck: i agree.
[07:59] <yogi> Hello... is it necessary to register the gstreamer in Edgy?
[07:59] <pwn4tt4ck> yeah, I did hack the life out of my aol
[08:00] <fdoving> yogi: what do you mean register? can you explain your problem more in detail?
[08:00] <coreymon77> putting too many parental controls just encourages hacking
[08:00] <coreymon77> go ahead, supervise, but be careful not to do it too much
[08:00] <pwn4tt4ck> coreymon77: you cant hack mom and dad. I'm not talking about programs I'm talking about REAL parental supervision. mom and dad standing over their shoulder watching. And as they get older, mom and dad give them more freedom, more alone time with the net
[08:00] <yogi> fdoving: In Dapper one has to issue 'gst-register-0.8' to register all the gstreamer stuff.  There is no command in Edgy for that
[08:01] <coreymon77> w/e
[08:01] <pwn4tt4ck> kgo eat
[08:01] <fdoving> pwn4tt4ck, coreymon77 and myself, the topic is for #kubuntu-offtopic, really :)
[08:01] <coreymon77> okay
[08:01] <coreymon77> food time
[08:01] <pwn4tt4ck> I know, it was dead so I figured it wouldnt be a problem, but when tech support comes I quit, or try to :D
[08:02] <fdoving> yogi: ah.. sorry, i don't know anything about gstreamer. maybe someone else here does.
[08:02] <yogi> fdoving: Hope so... thanks.
[08:02] <yogi> Have a HAPPY NEW YEAR! :-)
[08:02] <fdoving> thanks, you too :)
[08:02] <yogi> Thanks!!
[08:02] <pwn4tt4ck> fdoving: I have a question, when I log into a chat it says (n=remy@blahblahblah.nc.res.rr.com) and gives away my name, state, and server, how can I change that or hide it?
[08:03] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi: you too!
[08:03] <yogi> Thanks, pwn4tt4ck!!
[08:03] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck: Do YOU know anything about gstreamer??
[08:03] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi: sorry mate, I do not
[08:04] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck: K... THanks!
[08:05] <yogi> Wonder if it is too soon to GOOGLE for Edgy.
[08:06] <yogi> garruda: Do you know anything about gstreamer setup?
[08:06] <yogi> garruda: ...for Edgy?
[08:06] <yogi> LOL... ran HIM off...
[08:06] <pwn4tt4ck> fdoving: did you get my question earlier?
[08:07] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi: how did you manage that?
[08:12] <fdoving> !cloak | pwn4tt4ck
[08:12] <ubotu> pwn4tt4ck: Tor & other common anonymizing proxies get abused to attack & spam Ubuntu channels, so they're blocked. Get a cloak from Freenode instead, and stop wasting your time with Tor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[08:15] <secleinter> does anyone know where the "system icons" folder is? i'm talking about the collection of icons you can pick from by default when you go to change the icon of a folder, etc.
[08:16] <aseigo> secleinter: depends on your icon theme.. they are all in `kde-config --prefix`/share/icons
[08:17] <secleinter> does that mean /usr/share/icons?
[08:17] <secleinter> my icon theme location is /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg
[08:18] <secleinter> aseigo: also, how do i get to "kde-config --prefix"?
[08:18] <aseigo> secleinter: on kubuntu that's /usr
[08:18] <secleinter> ok
[08:19] <aseigo> secleinter: if you run that from a konsole on any system with kde on it it'll tell you where kde files were told to be installed to
[08:19] <secleinter> ok
[08:19] <proog> when i log in to kubuntu 6.10, kopete keeps asking me for all my IM passwords even though i use my kde wallet - any solution?
[08:19] <secleinter> aseigo: because i'm looking for the "folder_music" icon but it doesn't show up anywhere under the "crystalsvg" folder
[08:20] <aseigo> secleinter: yeah, crystal doesn't have one
[08:20] <ubuntu> hi
[08:21] <secleinter> aseigo: well that doesn't make sense, because when i go to any folder and go to the properties, one of the available icons under the default "System Icons" directory is "folder_music"
[08:22] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck: unknown. LOL
[08:23] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck: Just asked about gstreamer... ;-)
[08:25] <matthew_> I like gstreamer...yogi, are you having trouble w/ it?
[08:32] <hassan2a> slt tlm
[08:32] <hassan2a> 
[08:32] <yogi> matthew_: I am wondering about gstreamer w/Edgy.  There is NO 'gst-register' command available.
[08:33] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi:  I thought matthew_ asked that lol. I was about to be like, "omg talk to yogi!!"
[08:33] <yogi> matthew_:Dapper required that command and it is not available on Edgy.  Wondering if it is necessary.
[08:33] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck: LOL
[08:33] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi: have you tried w/o it?
[08:33] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi: try doing what you need to do without the register com and see if it works :D
[08:34] <pwn4tt4ck> yogi: if they don't have it, chances are they dont need it :D
[08:34] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck: Okay... and I hope you are correct.  I do not REMEMBER what I did that caused the errors on Dapper.  Too long ago. lol
[08:35] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck:Tried 'dist-upgrading' Dapper and ended up w/busted Firefox, and 33 pkgs held bak. :-(
[08:35] <M06w> is there any way i can change the home page of firefox with out actualy opening firefox
[08:35] <pwn4tt4ck> umm
[08:35] <yogi> pwn4tt4ck:So.... I reluctantly did a virgin installation w/o b0rking the Dapper.
[08:36] <pwn4tt4ck> M06w: why wouldnt you want to open firefox?
[08:36] <pwn4tt4ck> M06w: you can probably go into the config files and change it, let me look that up for you
[08:37] <M06w> reason i cant open it is becuase i installed adobe flash and now yahoo (my home page) causes it to poof out of existance upon load
[08:40] <pwn4tt4ck> M06w: /home/<username>/.mozilla/firefox/ look around in there
[08:40] <pwn4tt4ck> M06w: there should be a file that has the homepage in it, just change that and save
[08:40] <pwn4tt4ck> M06w: I cant find the file personally though, cause I havent poked around enough
[08:42] <M06w> ok, and would you happen to know how i go about uninstalling adobe flash?
[08:43] <Captain_Haddock> M06w: How did you install it?
[08:44] <pwn4tt4ck> I'm gonna idle
[08:44] <pwn4tt4ck> later
[08:44] <M06w> i went to a page that needed to install it, got the bar saying it needed to install a plugin, and clicked ok untill it said it was done
[08:45] <M06w> this page was pandora.com if it matters
[08:45] <Captain_Haddock> hmm
[08:46] <mariano> does anyone know where the boot loader  contents are located
[08:46] <mariano> ?
[08:46] <Captain_Haddock> well, you can change your homepage from the .mozilla directory in your home directory
[08:46] <fdoving> that's
[08:46] <fdoving> gah.
[08:46] <fdoving> wrong window.
[08:47] <Captain_Haddock> M06w: you can do something like grep -Rin "google" * in there
[08:47] <Captain_Haddock> which should point you to the right file
[08:47] <M06w> grep -Rin "google" *?
[08:47] <M06w> brb
[08:48] <Captain_Haddock> (if google is your homepage)
[08:49] <Captain_Haddock> M06w: ~/.mozilla/firefox/4tfcyqzs.default/prefs.js is where it is set in my directory
[08:49] <Captain_Haddock> The 4t... is all random
[08:49] <Captain_Haddock> and will be different in your box.
[08:49] <hassan2a> hello. i want learn englisg :D
[08:50] <Schuenemann> is there any way of turning katapult's animation off? it's too slow for me
[08:50] <hassan2a> can you help me for learn english ? :D
[08:50] <Schuenemann> hassan2a: english classes might help
[08:52] <hassan2a> Schuenemann:  i didn't understand sorry
[08:53] <Schuenemann> you should look for english classes, not a linux IRC channel
[08:53] <LINUXHIGH> hello everyone
[08:53] <Captain_Haddock> How do I get a script to be run on boot?
[08:53] <Captain_Haddock> I think I've to add it in one of those rc.d directories..
[08:53] <Captain_Haddock> but which one?
[08:54] <New2disWorld> can someone help me
[08:54] <New2disWorld> i am trying copy a cd in linux using k3b
[08:54] <hassan2a> i don't understand "should look for"
[08:54] <New2disWorld> and it error out
[08:54] <Schuenemann> New2disWorld: protected cd, maybe?
[08:54] <Captain_Haddock> hassan2a: try another channel.. likely in another network, like EFNet.
[08:54] <M06w> is there any way i can uninstall konqueror with out uninstalling kde
[08:54] <New2disWorld> nope
[08:55] <Schuenemann> what is the error?
[08:55] <hassan2a> euh
[08:55] <hassan2a> another  channel = ubuntu-fr for exemple ?
[08:56] <Schuenemann> dude, you are not going to learn english in an IRC channel
[08:56] <hassan2a> why ?
[08:56] <Schuenemann> what do you think?
[08:56] <hassan2a> you speaking english in this channel it's for this
[08:56] <Schuenemann> if learning a foreign language is so easy, I want to learn french then
[08:57] <M06w> the internet does not speak english
[08:57] <hassan2a> euh a french is very diffucul langage
[08:57] <Schuenemann> hassan2a: then find a chat channel, it's better
[08:57] <hassan2a> difficult
[08:57] <M06w> hassan, have you memorized the english alphabet yet?
[08:58] <Schuenemann> does it need memorization?
[08:58] <M06w> i would think so
[08:58] <hassan2a> yes Mo6w
[08:58] <M06w> then all you need to do is go read a dictionary
[08:59] <hassan2a> yes a have a dctionary for learn
[08:59] <hassan2a> but i prefer speak whit boys and girls
[08:59] <M06w> are you calling me white?!
[08:59] <Schuenemann> white?
[08:59] <Schuenemann> lol
[08:59] <hassan2a> ?
[09:00] <hassan2a> white is an color
[09:00] <hassan2a> a*
[09:00] <M06w> thems fighting words in my locale
[09:00] <mc__> !offtopic
[09:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:00] <Schuenemann> mc__: thanks
[09:00] <mc__> Schuenemann: np
[09:00] <New2disWorld> it says error in red
[09:00] <katakombi> is anybody used to launchpad?
[09:01] <New2disWorld> elapsed time
[09:02] <mc__> katakombi: whats your problem?
[09:02] <New2disWorld> hello
[09:03] <New2disWorld> can someone help me with this issue
[09:03] <hassan2a> who has KDE ??
[09:04] <M06w> ei
[09:04] <New2disWorld> i am running kde
[09:04] <katakombi> mc__ i've registered and posted an specification for feisty
[09:04] <katakombi> but no replies so far
[09:04] <New2disWorld> it says unable to eject  media
[09:04] <mc__> katakombi: so whats your problem?
[09:04] <New2disWorld> i am trying to copy a cd
[09:04] <katakombi> i don't know whom to address with feature requests
[09:04] <hassan2a> can you help me  ?
[09:05] <New2disWorld> it read the source cd fine but error
[09:05] <New2disWorld> unable to eject media
[09:05] <hassan2a> my adept manager is in english but me i want it in french.
[09:07] <New2disWorld> can anyone help
[09:09] <katakombi> New2disWorld  - what are you trying to do?
[09:11] <New2disWorld> I want to copy an audio cd with k3b under kubuntu.
[09:11] <New2disWorld> So I click copy cd in k3b. Then I put in the audio cd. I click start.
[09:11] <New2disWorld> Then K3b starts reading the audio cd.
[09:11] <New2disWorld> At 50%, when reading is complete, k3b should eject the audio cd for me to put in an empty cd-r. That's when I get the error message "unable to eject media".
[09:13] <New2disWorld> Katakombi - what do you think
[09:13] <katakombi> if k3b cannot eject media then most likely some other process is still blocking it
[09:13] <katakombi> try in konsole 'lsof | grep /dev/cdrom' and see what it's telling you
[09:15] <Schuenemann> is there any way of turning katapult's animation off?
[09:18] <New2disWorld> Katakombi-->  it is waiting for something
[09:18] <New2disWorld> katakombi-  once i type the command.  I get this >
[09:18] <katakombi> so there is no process blokcing it
[09:19] <katakombi> or your device uses another name
[09:19] <katakombi> (which is unlikely)
[09:19] <katakombi> can you cancel k3b?
[09:19] <New2disWorld> i did
[09:19] <katakombi> and still no eject possible?
[09:20] <katakombi> sometimes in a konsole 'sudo eject /dev/cdrom' helped me
[09:21] <katakombi> but as i told you there must be a process running which still accesses the cdrom
[09:27] <DeathDealer> need help with resolution connecting to a 56in hdtv
[09:27] <DeathDealer> can anyone help
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> New2disWorld: fuser -m /dev/cdrom should tell you the pid of what's using your CD-ROM.
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> fuser -k /dev/cdrom should kill whatever proc is using it.
[09:30] <New2disWorld> katakombi-  i think that i may find the problem.  it is a permission issue
[09:31] <New2disWorld> i am in the process of burning the cd again.   i will let you know
[09:31] <DeathDealer> does anyone know how to do this ?
[09:31] <DeathDealer> I really want to be able to play hi-def movies on my tv
[09:31] <DeathDealer> with out the need for a 400 player
[09:43] <Scok> hi
[09:57] <arek> pierwszy raz jestem tutaj...., jest tutaj kto? Kto w ogle widzi co ja pisz?
[09:59] <Scok> tak
[10:00] <arek> o, dziki Ci czowieku...., bo ju mylaem, e co nie tak zrobiem....
[10:00] <Scok> but you know you should use english
[10:00] <arek> ok...., thank you:)
[10:01] <archangel_> is that russian?
[10:02] <archangel_> it looks slovic
[10:02] <Scok> no its polish
[10:02] <Scok> :p
[10:02] <archangel_> ahh
[10:03] <arek> I have benn never here before..., so sorry for not use English...
[10:03] <archangel_> my grandparents spoke yiddish, that as far as I can go
[10:03] <archangel_> :o)
[10:03] <archangel_> thats fine arek
[10:03] <archangel_> welcome
[10:04] <arek> Thank you:)
[10:07] <Schuenemann> !pl | arek
[10:07] <ubotu> arek: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:08] <arek> Thank you ubotu:) I am going to read it
[10:08] <stefan> hello :)
[10:09] <Schuenemann> arek: ubotu is a bot
[10:10] <arek> :) Thank you..., I see that I have to learn how to chat correctly
[10:10] <archangel_> a bot that can type................... sweet!!
[10:10] <archangel_> lol
[10:10] <marx> hi
[10:11] <marx> i need some help please
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> !ask
[10:11] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:11] <marx> i finised installing kubumtu 1 hour ago and now i have problems with sudo
[10:12] <marx> i try to do apt-get update
[10:12] <LeeJunFan> marx: you did something to your system time?
[10:12] <marx> and its asking once sudo pw, i but same as my user have
[10:12] <marx> my sistem time?
[10:12] <marx> now
[10:12] <marx> no
[10:12] <LeeJunFan> marx: nevermind, different problem.
[10:13] <marx> ok after puting password it seems to be ok
[10:13] <marx> and try to make again update
[10:13] <marx> bu nothing hapend
[10:14] <marx> i just gived me new line and thats it
[10:14] <marx> and when i try to use some programs as root user they wount start
[10:15] <marx> if someone can help me please write me private
[10:15] <LeeJunFan> marx: so you are running 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[10:16] <Schuenemann> is there any way of turning katapult's animation off?
[10:16] <Schuenemann> !katapult
[10:16] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[10:17] <soulrider> Schuenemann: katapult it installed by default on kubuntu
[10:18] <Schuenemann> soulrider: I want to turn off its animation
[10:19] <marx> so is there somebody, who can help me?
[10:20] <jerp> !sudo
[10:20] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:23] <Schuenemann> !update-alternatives
[10:23] <Schuenemann> [18:23:36]  <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[10:23] <Schuenemann> wth...
[10:23] <marx> i alredy read that page and nothing helped me
[10:23] <Schuenemann> what is your problem?
[10:24] <marx> only way for me is to log in recovery mode, do all my installs and restart againd and login as normal user
[10:24] <marx> but that is not very good
[10:24] <Schuenemann> so, what is your problem?
[10:25] <marx> maybe we can start private and I explain again
[10:25] <marx> i can not to nothind as root
[10:25] <Schuenemann> why not?
[10:25] <marx> i'm using sudo command but nothing happends
[10:26] <Schuenemann> sudo apt-get update?
[10:26] <jerp> if sudo isn't working it's a sign of something seriously wrong.  it might be best to reinstall
[10:26] <marx> it gives me new line and empty line
[10:27] <alexandre> alguem pode me informar como fao pra instalar o plugin de flash no meu navegador? Sou novo usuario de linux, versao KUBUNTU
[10:27] <Schuenemann> !br | alexandre
[10:27] <ubotu> alexandre: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:27] <alexandre> obrigado
[10:27] <alexandre> #ubuntu-br
[10:28] <Schuenemann>  /join #ubuntu-br
[10:28] <marx> if i start terminal and first i use sudo it asking password, i but my normal user name password, it seem to be ok. and after that only thing what happends is new line
[10:28] <Schuenemann> you typed sudo what?
[10:29] <marx> whatever i tryed sudo apt-get update
[10:29] <marx> i have tu give password, so i did that
[10:30] <marx> and reinstall is not a really option for me, i want to fix this problem or what ever it could be
[10:31] <kog> (sorry to interrupt) Q: how do I change alt-tab so that it cycles apps on All Desktops, not just current desktop?
[10:32] <elvaka> how can i check my FS with fsck?
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> elvaka: what kind of fs is it?
[10:32] <elvaka> ext3
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> elvaka: is it your root fs?
[10:33] <elvaka> no
[10:33] <elvaka> i have it mounted on /home
[10:33] <LeeJunFan> elvaka: you need to unmount the fs first to check it.
[10:33] <elvaka> ok, i did it
[10:34] <marx> seems, that no body can help me and I have to reinstall my system
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> elvaka: no just fsck.ext3 /dev/[device] 
[10:34] <marx> or
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> now just
[10:35] <elvaka> "sudo fsck.ext3 /dev/sda3" does nothing, only says "/dev/sda3: clean, 117388/26509312 files, 19412052/52996426 blocks"
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> elvaka: it thinks it doesn't need to be checked. just a sec. man fsck.ext3 - there's a force option.
[10:36] <elvaka> with -f
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> elvaka: fsck.ext3 -f /dev/sda3
[10:36] <elvaka> i will try it, TY
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> marx: sry, I've never seen that issue with sudo, a few others yeah, but not that one.
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> well, I was going to suggest sudo -i to see if it gave root.
[10:38] <arek79> witam
[10:39] <Schuenemann> !ls
[10:39] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:41] <Schuenemann> how can I list every file/directory starting with j?
[10:41] <Schuenemann> is I use "ls j*", it lists inside directories starting with j
[10:42] <marx> i'm back again
[10:43] <marx> i get this problem fixed
[10:43] <marx> i made reboot, loged in to recovery mode as root and just gived to root a new password
[10:44] <marx> now everithing is working fine
[10:44] <kog> so root didnt have a pass before?
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: ls -d j*
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: or find . -name "j*" -exec ls -d {} \;
[10:45] <marx> i'm not sure
[10:45] <Schuenemann> worked, thanks
[10:45] <marx> now im "siting" in terminal as root user and i can do what i want, not like it was before
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> root doesn't need a passowrd for sudo to work, and by default it doesn't have on.
[10:45] <fdoving> Schuenemann: or 'find . -maxdepth 1 -name 'j*'
[10:45] <Schuenemann> first form sounds simpler
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> fdoving: oh yeah, I really didn't need the ls {} :)
[10:46] <fdoving> LeeJunFan: and you needed the -maxdepth, didn't you?
[10:47] <fdoving> ls -d is easier though.
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> I guess I just like seeing how many options I can give the command for the same output. hehe
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> fdoving: well, I didn't know if he wanted to find them all recursively.
[10:47] <jerp> you're probably the only one that has the audacity to use root for an undetermined duration,  while sudo is adequate for all us others.
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> jerp: sudo wasn't working for him.
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> jerp: he didn't have much choice.
[10:48] <Schuenemann> can anyone tell me which are the arguments to update-alternatives --install ?
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: have you checked the manpage?
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: you'll find all the aps which have alternatives in /etc/alternatives
[10:49] <Schuenemann> and that aps is the second argument?
[10:50] <sivaji> ple tell me how to register here
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: if you just want to change an existing one then you use update, install is to create new alternatives.
[10:50] <Schuenemann> I have to create one
[10:50] <Schuenemann> I installed jdk manually
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: err, sorry config is to change.
[10:50] <harrisony1> sivaji:  /msg nickserv help register
[10:50] <Schuenemann> I did it for java, javac, javadoc, etc, but forgot jaavws
[10:50] <Schuenemann> there is only one entry for javaws
[10:50] <defiant> NickServ
[10:51] <JOSF> What do I do if the Adept database got locked and I can only use Adept in Read Only mode ? (I had an error during the last install of the Sun JDK). In /var/lock there is nothing
[10:51] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: I don't do it often and I normally have to stumble thru it myself every time I do. I usually get the symlink and the actual name reverse or something. :)
[10:51] <JOSF> How can I release the lock or make sure, that everything works fine ?
[10:51] <sivaji>  /msg nickserv help register
[10:51] <LeeJunFan> !lock
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:52] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan: the man page is a bit confusing
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I know there's a factoid for aptlock somewhere.
[10:52] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan: you know what is genname?
[10:53] <harrisony1> sivaji: without the space in front
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> !adept-crash-fix
[10:53] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and you're left with a locked database, try typing this in a terminal (such as Konsole):  "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[10:53] <JOSF> !aptlock
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aptlock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:53] <JOSF> LeeJunFan: thanks
[10:53] <sivaji> tell me what to do now
[10:54] <sivaji> harrisony ple
[10:54] <Schuenemann> /nickserv register PASSWORD
[10:54] <Schuenemann> choose a password and do this
[10:54] <sivaji> nickser means
[10:54] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: I think genname is the "generic" name like gcc
[10:55] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: ie, w/o any version info.
[10:55] <Schuenemann> like javaws
[10:55] <harrisony1> sivaji: nick serv is the nickname servece
[10:56] <fdoving> !register > sivaji
[10:56] <malik_> can some one tell me how to create a shortcut for "runfrostwire.sh" on my panel or in internet menu?....by the way its located in a directory in my home directory
[10:56] <sivaji> then y i cant communicate with others
[10:56] <harrisony1> !register | sivaji
[10:56] <ubotu> sivaji: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:56] <harrisony1> ^^ there
[10:57] <sivaji> [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[10:57] <harrisony1> !register | sivaji
[10:57] <ubotu> sivaji: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:58] <harrisony1> go threre it tells how to register
[10:58] <sivaji> !register | sivaji
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> :(
[10:58] <sivaji> i cant understand i am new usr
[10:58] <harrisony1> ok do this /msg nickserv register <makeapasswordhere> eg /msg nickserv register mypassword
[10:58] <harrisony1> no spaces infront
[10:59] <malik_> can some one tell me how to create a shortcut for "runfrostwire.sh" on my panel or in internet menu?....by the way its located in a directory in my home directory
[10:59] <harrisony1> malik_: right click on kmenu go menu editor
[10:59] <harrisony1> and were is runfrostwire.sh located
[10:59] <hudsy> hi!!!
[10:59] <malik_> its in /home/malik/frostwire
[11:00] <sivaji> my name is registered but still i cant use y?
[11:00] <hudsy> i cant install a .deb in my kubuntu!! HOW CAN I INSTALL IT??
[11:00] <harrisony1> ok then go File>new item
[11:00] <LeeJunFan> sivaji: you need to login now.
[11:00] <harrisony1> hudsy: calm down
[11:00] <sivaji> how to login
[11:00] <sivaji> where to login
[11:00] <harrisony1> in konsole sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[11:00] <LeeJunFan> sivaji: /msg nickserv identify [yourpassword] 
[11:00] <hudsy> whats calm down??
[11:01] <jerp> mello
[11:01] <harrisony1> hudsy: its an action chill! ok were here to help and i just told you ^^
[11:01] <harrisony1> jerp: mello
[11:01] <jerp> chill :)
[11:01] <Schuenemann> ok, installing java is a pain, I admit
[11:01] <harrisony1> Schuenemann: i just installed from the repostries
[11:02] <Schuenemann> java 6?
[11:02] <harrisony1> errr v6 is out?? i thnk i did v5
[11:02] <harrisony1> hudsy: in konsole sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[11:02] <Schuenemann> apt-get doesn't have java 6,
[11:02] <Schuenemann> I'll take a life to do those update-alternatives -- install for everything
[11:03] <harrisony1> hmmm damn what needs java 6 anyway  i  never knew it was out
[11:03] <Schuenemann> I need java 6 :)
[11:03] <harrisony1> why?
[11:03] <Schuenemann> because I work with it
[11:04] <harrisony1> http://munckfish.net/blog/archive/2006/12/15/howto-packaging-java-6-for-ubuntu/ google anybody??????
[11:04] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: sudo apt-get install galternatives
[11:04] <LeeJunFan> gui for alternatives, never tried it myself, just found it.
[11:04] <Schuenemann> what does that mean?
[11:04] <Schuenemann> gui for alternatives
[11:04] <harrisony1> http://munckfish.net/blog/archive/2006/12/15/howto-packaging-java-6-for-ubuntu/ just do that
[11:04] <gnomefreak> gui for update-alternatives command
[11:04] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: galternatives is an app for managing alternatives via a gui.
[11:04] <LeeJunFan> !info galternatives
[11:05] <ubotu> galternatives: graphical setup tool for the alternatives system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 276 kB
[11:05] <Schuenemann> harrisony1: great, he configures "java"
[11:05] <harrisony1> :D google is your friend
[11:05] <Schuenemann> how about javac, javaws, appletviewer, jar, rmiregistry, javadoc, etc, etc, etc, etc?
[11:05] <Schuenemann> I'll take my life to do that for each one
[11:06] <sivaji> ple some one helpme why i get incorrect password when i login
[11:06] <anarko> hola
[11:06] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan: but will that have java 6, when apt-get doesn't?
[11:06] <harrisony1> sivaji:
[11:06] <Schuenemann> !es | anarko
[11:06] <ubotu> anarko: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:06] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan: oops sorry, I didn't read well
[11:07] <harrisony1> sivaji: mind /j #illhelpyou
[11:07] <anarko> ayer instal kubuntu
[11:10] <anarko> cmo ir a un canal en espaol?
[11:10] <LeeJunFan> !es
[11:10] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:11] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan: that's awesome, thanks
[11:11] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: cool. I figured for something as annoying as alternatives there had to be a helper app :)
[11:12] <Schuenemann> yeah, I'd have to do for over 30 programs
[11:12] <malik_> harrisony1: oki thanx mate but now menu names have gone bonkers ........how do i them alphabeticaly?
[11:12] <LeeJunFan> although I do like what alternatives accomplishes, especially if you are someone who has to frequenltly go back and forth between diff versions.
[11:12] <harrisony1> sivaji: errr lets see (its my 1st day on kde lol)
[11:12] <malik_> i mean how do i sort them alphabetically
[11:13] <Schuenemann> I should better create a shell script for that
[11:13] <harrisony1> malik_: arnt they auto alphabetical
[11:14] <malik_> they were but after i added the frostwire menu they have gone haywire :(
[11:16] <harrisony1> malik_: um......ARGHH!.. i dont know if i can be any help sorry :( try look in help
[11:17] <malik_> thats oki mate thanx any ways
[11:17] <Bubba_Gump> how do i delete the downloaded adept programs?
[11:17] <malik_> sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:18] <malik_> ^^^^Bubba_Gump
[11:18] <harrisony1> errr malik_ were is install or remoce
[11:18] <harrisony1> *remove
[11:18] <Bubba_Gump> than
[11:18] <Bubba_Gump> *thanks :)
[11:18] <Bubba_Gump> any idea also of a good firewall software?
[11:19] <harrisony1> Bubba_Gump: firestarter
[11:19] <harrisony1> !firestarter | Bubba_Gump
[11:19] <ubotu> Bubba_Gump: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:19] <harrisony1> hmmm wait
[11:19] <harrisony1> !info firestarter | Bubba_Gump
[11:19] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 383 kB, installed size 1884 kB
[11:19] <harrisony1> it works in kde as well ive never used guarddog tho
[11:20] <Schuenemann> do I need root to run ANY shell script?
[11:23] <jerp> Bubba_Gump: how do i delete the downloaded adept programs?   sudo apt-get autoclean  ......check the man page
[11:23] <Lam_> im trying to chmod u-x on each of my mp3/flac files, but there are directories involved and i can't do it recursively without affecting the directories as well. anyone have suggestions as to how i can do this task?
[11:24] <harrisony1> Lam_: you posted in #ubuntu as well, i doubt its possible
[11:24] <Lam_> harrisony1: yeah, but sometimes i get more accurate help in here since #ubuntu is sometimes swamped beyond relief
[11:25] <harrisony1> Lam_: yep! i know what you mean
[11:25] <freeride> whats up
[11:25] <crimsun> Lam_: actually it's quite simple with find(1)
[11:25] <harrisony1> hey freeride
[11:26] <freeride> I upgraded to edgy and x wouldnt start because of some video conflict so I just re-installed dapper
[11:26] <crimsun> Lam_: find /some/dir -name '*.flac' |xargs chmod u-x
[11:26] <crimsun> Lam_: find /some/dir -name '*.mp3' |xargs chmod u-x
[11:26] <freeride> I still cant get my dang screensaver to work though
[11:26] <crimsun> Lam_: note that if you're attempting this on fat32 or ntfs partitions, it's pointless
[11:26] <freeride> brb
[11:26] <Lam_> yeah. ext3 for me
[11:26] <Lam_> thanks a lot
[11:30] <freeride> anyways....
[11:30] <freeride> whats up guys and girls
[11:30] <mjrclark> a lack of knowledge about how to go about getting my usb mini lava lamp to come on at a specified time in the morning.
[11:31] <Theory> my system doesn't suspend
[11:31] <mjrclark> just seeing if mine does
[11:32] <freeride> I'm not well educated on usb lava lamp technology
[11:32] <harrisony1> mjrclark: that would be kinda hard
[11:33] <Schuenemann>  if someone executes a shell script like "./shell.sh arg", how do I read that arg?
[11:33] <freeride> anyone here familiar with the dapper screensaver bug?
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> Theory: will it suspend if you echo "mem" >/sys/power/state ? you'll have to sudo -i first
[11:33] <jamc> alguien en castellano??
[11:33] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: you mean in the script? $1
[11:33] <harrisony1> !languages
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languages - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <Schuenemann> !es
[11:34] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:34] <Theory> LeeJunFan: it's more coming out of suspend, think I know the solution, just rebuilding my kernel
[11:34] <harrisony1> i dont know my spanish!
[11:34] <harrisony1> freeride: whats the dapper bug?
[11:34] <mjrclark> well it did something.. I clicked hibernate and I think it did suspend.
[11:34] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan: thanks again
[11:34] <LeeJunFan> I don't know your spanish either.
[11:35] <Schuenemann> harrisony1: do you have a spanish?
[11:35] <harrisony1> Schuenemann: nup
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> no, just 5 illegal mexican's in the garden.
[11:36] <mjrclark> harryison, by hard do you mean literally impossible in software?
[11:36] <harrisony1> im trying to see if there is a command were it shows a whole lot of languages so i dont have to google translate 6 times
[11:36] <Schuenemann> what do you mean?
[11:37] <harrisony1> mjrclark: i dont know how it would work as if you plug it in it would work so...its got to do with hardware unless you had a spare pc which you could wake up and suspend remotly which a computer could do from a shell scri[t
[11:39] <mjrclark> harrisony1: yes, it is a dumb usb device using only power, no chip inside it. I suspected this might be the case, but could not find anybody to confirm it.
[11:39] <harrisony1> unless you had a spare pc (it wouldnt need a monitor or anything just a copy of ubuntu running with a few tweaks
[11:41] <pluto> I have two XFS hard drives in addition to my main ext3 linux drive. Whenever I delete something on the XFS drives, rather than it moving to the trash, it instead moves to a hidden folder on the drive called .trash. Is there a way to make it move to the trash on the main drive like it should?
[11:42] <mjrclark> yes, I do, but sounds easier to stick with existing alarm and just unplug the lamp to go to sleep.
[11:49] <draik> Hello everyone
[11:50] <cntb> \o draik
[11:50] <cntb> whazup
[11:50] <draik> cntb hey there
[11:51] <draik> To everyone in the channel...
[11:51] <draik> I have an error when I boot...
[11:51] <draik> here is the error...
[11:52] <draik> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[11:52] <tsdgeos> brr
[11:52] <tsdgeos> sounds bad
[11:52] <robotgeek> draik: what OS, which architecture?
[11:52] <draik> Using Kubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-27-686
[11:53] <draik> I tried google, but it's not useful since its all LILO related and other OSs
[11:53] <cntb> maybe take bootable CD to check hard disk
[11:53] <robotgeek> ide/sata hard drives?
[11:53] <draik> IDE
[11:53] <draik> it's a laptop
[11:54] <andreasw> Anybody knows why I can't unmount devices via the Desktop Icon if I let them mount via udev?
[11:54] <draik> My desktop won't even go through GRUB so I just boot using the Super Grub Disk
[11:54] <robotgeek> draik: and this is right off the install?
[11:54] <family_> kubuntu edgy; installing local; error packages not found:  glib-2.0, gtk+-2.0, gthread:  but I think they are there as I look at the output from aptitude search
[11:54] <draik> andreasw: sudo umount /media/(device)
[11:55] <draik> robotgeek: Nope. I have been using this for quite some time
[11:55] <family_> (er, except for gthread)
[11:55] <robotgeek> draik: did you get a kernel upgrade?
[11:55] <draik> family_ what is that about?
[11:55] <andreasw> draik: lol I know how to mount and unmount on the console, but should I open everytime a Console just to umount stuff?
[11:55] <draik> robotgeek: That was a while back. I upgraded my Dapper Drake to 686
[11:55] <family_> trying to install a local from source; ./configure gives errors, but I don't understand them all
[11:55] <paul_>  /server irc.inet.tele.dk
[11:56] <draik> andreasw: I do. I love CLI
[11:56] <andreasw> draik: the thing is that there is a point in the context menu of the device symbol wich says: "Safly Remove"
[11:56] <robotgeek> :)
[11:56] <andreasw> but it doesn't work for devices you mountet via udev it seems
[11:56] <robotgeek> andreasw: AFAIK, all these devices are mounted via udev, no?
[11:56] <draik> andreasw: When I "safely remove" on my USB dev's, it's never been an issue for me.
[11:56] <andreasw> draik: but for me it is
[11:56] <draik> Are you sure that everything is done being saved?
[11:57] <intelikey> can some body dirrect me to setting up a printer in kde ?
[11:57] <andreasw> draik: a umount /dev/foo works
[11:57] <intelikey> !printer
[11:57] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:57] <andreasw> but not with Safly Remove
[11:57] <draik> intelikey: You need help???
[11:57] <andreasw> Shouldn't do Safly Remove the same like umount?
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> andreasw: you could also open konqueror and go to media:/ to unmount. Which I have to do once in a while when safely remove isn't available from the menu.
[11:57] <intelikey> draik yeah something isn't working right here.
[11:57] <draik> intelikey: I look up to you for answers
[11:57] <andreasw> robotgeek: I created my own udev rule so it is always mountet to the same mounting point and so on
[11:57] <draik> intelikey: My hero has fallen :(
[11:58] <intelikey> draik never under estimate anyone's stupidity.
[11:58] <robotgeek> Heroes also read man pages
[11:58] <andreasw> LeeJunFan: that would be the same work like alt + f2 umount /media/foo ;)
[11:58] <LeeJunFan> andreasw: you don't have to do that any more with edgy, it will create /media/[disklabel] 
[11:58] <LeeJunFan> andreasw: true.
[11:58] <draik> intelikey is my man(ual)
[11:58] <foobn> i have an existing ubuntu/swap partition that i want to overwrite with kubuntu. do i have to delete and recreate those partitions or can i get away with just formatting my existing ext3 partition and installing kubuntu on it?
[11:58] <andreasw> LeeJunFan: the thing is that I have "Safly Remove" in the context menu but it just don't work for me with hat device
[11:59] <draik> robotgeek: any clues regarding my kernel issue?
[11:59] <felipe__> Hello, I can't install sun java from adept, I need to hit ok in the console that adept shows, but I can't do it
[11:59] <intelikey> draik nough already.   :)
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> andreasw: but umount always does? nothing else is using the device?
[11:59] <robotgeek> draik: maybe you can revert to the older kernel while booting from grub
[11:59] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Do it from the Konsole
[11:59] <draik> felipe__: you need to show details and then move your arrow keys till you get to the "OK" and hit enter
[12:00] <andreasw> LeeJunFan: yep umount does work. Safly Remove seems to do nothing
[12:00] <draik> robotgeek: I have attempted that, but they are all having the same issue
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: as per our discussion on symlinking /etc/mtab. I found a patch for util-linux which fixes mount for just that purpose. Lamely it was given to the mount maintainer years ago, he said he would work it into mount, but never did.
[12:00] <robotgeek> draik: even your older kernel, weird
[12:00] <draik> I can boot into winxp, but that doesn't accomplish anything
[12:00] <felipe__> draik: I don't get any feedback when I hit the keys
[12:00] <andreasw> Seems buggy to me
[12:00] <draik> felipe__: follow DaSkreech's instructions
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: so I'm either going to compile my own mount, or go with your sudo solution.
[12:00] <ConstyXIV> would anyone be able to tell me if MTP music players (sansa, zen, etc), work in amarok?
[12:01] <draik> ConstyXIV: I have a ZEN and it works for me
[12:01] <DaSkreech> felipe__: You are going to have to kill adept
[12:01] <andreasw> Maybe I should make a bugreport and have it fixed in 1-3 years like my last bug I reported ;)
[12:01] <felipe__> DaSkreech: how do I kill it?
[12:01] <ConstyXIV> draik: ok, thanks
[12:01] <DaSkreech> Press the x?
[12:01] <draik> ConstyXIV: np
[12:02] <LeeJunFan> whew, nothing more fun than waiting for trash to empty in kmail imap when there's 10k messages in there.
[12:02] <DaSkreech> press Alt+Space and type konsole
[12:02] <felipe__> DaSkreech: I'm already on the console
[12:02] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Viva la Attachments!
[12:02] <draik> DaSkreech: What is that? ALT+[SPACE] ?
[12:02] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Press it :)
[12:02] <draik> I am used to ALT+F2
[12:02] <cntb> trying to define saned acording to http://penguin-breeder.org/sane/saned/ and /or http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1751234
[12:03] <DaSkreech> draik: try Alt+Space ;-)
[12:03] <draik> I did
[12:03] <alexandre> Ol pessoal
[12:03] <DaSkreech> felipe__: You have adept closed?
[12:03] <felipe__> DaSkreech: I already force quit adept
[12:03] <DaSkreech> draik: Type the name of some application
[12:03] <felipe__> yes
[12:03] <draik> DaSkreech: I did. What is the name of what I'm seeing?
[12:03] <alexandre> alguem sabe como posso baixar um programa estilo limeware? ou kaazar?
[12:03] <DaSkreech> draik: katapult
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> draik: katapult
[12:03] <alexandre> e onde baixo?
[12:03] <cntb> Alt+Space is the katapult draik
[12:03] <andreasw> DaSkreech: really nice I also knew that ;)
[12:03] <tsdgeos> !pt
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> !katapult
[12:03] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:03] <draik> sweet
[12:03] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[12:03] <intelikey> LeeJunFan kewl.   glad to hear the update.   let me know how it works out.    i implemented the u/mount wraper on a box sever months ago for an elderly lady who has no business trying to learn about computers  but insists on doing email/printing and digital camera printing.     it works for her...    ;/
[12:03] <alexandre> ok
[12:03] <alexandre> obrigado
[12:03] <draik> Thank you DaSkreech, LeeJunFan and cntb
[12:03] <DaSkreech> andreasw: Have you tried it as a calculator?
[12:04] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Ok in konsole type sudo apt-get -a --configure
[12:04] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Wait
[12:04] <andreasw> DaSkreech: I just discovered it via alt + space ^^
[12:04] <DaSkreech> It's sudo dpkg -a --configure
[12:04] <DaSkreech> andreasw: Very cool app I wish they could get some developers
[12:05] <felipe__> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[12:05] <DaSkreech> felipe__: You have no other apt-get or adept running?
[12:05] <cntb> att. ! trying to define saned according to http://penguin-breeder.org/sane/saned/ and /or http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1751234
[12:06] <cntb> and how do I know saned is up
[12:06] <cntb> in kde
[12:06] <felipe__> DaSkreech: Not that I can see. but It could still be running although the window is gone
[12:06] <DaSkreech> felipe__: lets find out
[12:06] <andreasw> DaSkreech: but how can I play a song from my media lib
[12:06] <robotgeek> cntb: ps -ef | grep sane
[12:06] <DaSkreech> felipe__: type in konsole ps aux | grep adept
[12:06] <andreasw> DaSkreech: just searched for one, pressed enter but nothing happened
[12:06] <felipe__> ps aux | grep adept
[12:06] <foobn> if i have an existing swap partition is it ok to keep using it as it was from my last linux install, or should i delete it or format it before installing a new linux distro?
[12:06] <DaSkreech> andreasw: Do you have amarok open?
[12:06] <felipe__> duh
[12:06] <andreasw> yes
[12:07] <cntb> trying that robotgeek
[12:07] <DaSkreech> andreasw: Of course otherwise the songs wouldn't turn up :)
[12:07] <andreasw> DaSkreech: ah ok I saw that it added the song to the end of the playlist
[12:07] <felipe__> DaSkreech: yup it seem de updater is running
[12:07] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Kill it :
[12:07] <andreasw> DaSkreech: but can I change it so it starts playing the selected song at once?
[12:07] <cntb> robotgeek: sane not there
[12:08] <felipe__> DaSkreech: How can I kill it?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> andreasw: Not sure. Press Alt+space then Ctrl+C
[12:08] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Does it have a PID number?
[12:08] <foobn> are my questions too hard? :P
[12:08] <cntb> fedora has system-config-services what is in kubuntu?
[12:08] <felipe__> DaSkreech: there are like three columns that could be the pid
[12:08] <DaSkreech> foobn: Missed them what are they?
[12:08] <robotgeek> cntb: /etc/init.d/saned restart, maybe
[12:08] <harrisony1> foobn: what way yout question
[12:08] <draik> so nobody knows what that means?
[12:08] <draik> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:09] <foobn> if i have an existing swap partition is it ok to keep using it as it was from my last linux install, or should i delete it or format it before installing a new linux distro?
[12:09] <harrisony1> foobn: leave the swap partition
[12:09] <foobn> k, thanks
[12:09] <robotgeek> draik: i dont know why you should have that issue on your older kernel too
[12:09] <harrisony1> linux swap is linux swap
[12:09] <draik> robotgeek: I don't know either, but that's what I'm getting
[12:09] <DaSkreech> foobn: Yes it is
[12:10] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Erm I think the first one is the PID
[12:10] <foobn> harrisony1: what about my existing ext3 partition that has ubuntu on it, can i just format it and install kubuntu on it too?
[12:10] <felipe__> DaSkreech: kill -p pid?
[12:10] <intelikey> draik means your initramfs.img is not loading the driver for the fs or the device.    or.  your /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/device* is misconfigured.
[12:10] <DaSkreech> felipe__: sudo it since it's a root thread
[12:10] <draik> intelikey: How do I fix this issue?
[12:10] <DaSkreech> foobn: If you don't mind losing everything on it
[12:10] <draik> Online forums didn't do anything to explain it for GRUB, only LILO
[12:11] <harrisony1> foobn: if you want kde/kubuntu do this in ubuntu sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <cntb> Because of the way it operates, xinetd (as well as inetd) is also referred to as a super-server.
[12:11] <DaSkreech> foobn: There is an esier (though longer) way
[12:11] <harrisony1> and press f12 at the log in screen to choose kde or gnome, i just installed kde this morning
[12:11] <intelikey> draik read up on grub and then at the boot prompt hit [esc]   and  manually select the correct device as the root partition   then boot.
[12:12] <draik> intelikey: I don't understand why it's saying (0,0) if it's (0,4) as my root
[12:12] <intelikey> draik if that still gives the same error.  then rebuild the initramfs.img (maybe named initrd.img-*)   and try again.       but if it did work then fix the boot/grub/<file> that is messed.