[02:53] <Hobbsee> are the launchpad emails protected from spammers?
[02:53] <mdke> that's a good question. I don't get so much spam from my preferred address, but that's just a vague sensation
[02:54] <jelmer> Hobbsee: I think you can only view them if you're logged in
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mdke: i'm getting *heaps*
[02:54] <mdke> Hobbsee: I get a serious amount from the ubuntu mailserver, are you sure it isn't that?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mdke: with a @kubuntu.org and @ubuntu.com email
[02:55] <Hobbsee> uh, how do they differ?  as in, bugmail and all that?
[02:55] <mdke> yeah, that's nothing to do with Launchpad
[02:55] <mdke> it's just that the mailserver is spam heavy
[02:55] <Hobbsee> i'm not talking bugmail/mailing lists - i'm meaning spam, nigerian grants, enlargements for stuff i dont have, etc.
[02:55] <mdke> yes, I get several hundred a day
[02:56] <Hobbsee> mdke: ugh.
[02:56] <mdke> spamassassin deals with it fine
[02:56] <mdke> are you a mailing list admin?
[02:56] <mdke> that's even worse then, most of mine comes from that
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ah...no, dont think so.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> i'm the admin of a team on LP though
[02:57] <mdke> Hobbsee: for the record, you should change your preferred address in launchpad, you can't use your ubuntu/kubuntu addresses for that
[02:57] <mdke> you need to use the account that you want that email to redirect to
[02:57] <Hobbsee> mdke: it appears it's just sending to all previous email addresses in there.
[02:58] <mdke> yes, but it is likely to break at any time
[02:58] <Hobbsee> mdke: hehe, yeah....
[02:58] <mdke> seriously
[02:58] <Hobbsee> mdke: i cant.  not until i can find somewhere else to point the launchpad team mail
[02:58] <mdke> where is it currently pointed?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> at my gmail address, whcih is where half of my @ubuntu.com mail seems to go too
[02:59] <mdke> so can't you set that as your preferred address?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> (emails have to be unique, etc)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> not when LP already has that address set as the team address
[02:59] <mdke> oh, crazy, you're a person and a team?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-universe-sponsors is a team, and the mail currently goes to me.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i can merge the person and team, too :P
[03:00] <mdke> ah, you definitely need to change that :)
[03:00] <mdke> anyway, just a friendly warning: your email may break at any time and you'll lose mail
[03:00] <mdke> I've had it from the horse's mouth
[03:00] <Hobbsee> the mail going to me?  yeah, i'm just waiting on canonical to allocate a mailing list, or however that works...
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ugh, great
[03:01] <mdke> loads of others do it like you too though, so to be fair, you are not alone
[03:01] <mdke> apparently there is a bug in the code for the kubuntu.org redirects which means that your email hasn't yet broken
[03:02] <Hobbsee> way cool
[03:02] <mdke> anyway, spamassassin is the way to go for your spam needs
[03:02] <Hobbsee> i didnt know it was Very Bad to do, actually.  it really does need fixing - of course that mask (the @ubuntu.com) is going to be the preferred
[03:03] <Hobbsee> i'm running imap mail
[03:03] <Hobbsee> and they dont use spamassassin on the server side :(
[03:03] <mdke> do you have shell access? you can install it. Otherwise you'll have to do it locally
[03:03] <Hobbsee> no
[03:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly.  once i figure out how to do that...
[03:03] <mdke> locally?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:04] <Hobbsee> thunderbird is set to trust the headers, but doesnt seem to actually obey them
[03:04] <mdke> you just install spamassassin then configure your client...
[03:04] <mdke> oh
[03:05] <mdke> sure SA is working?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> no
[03:05] <Hobbsee> if you could point me to a decent guide, i'd appreciate it
[03:06] <mdke> check the headers and see if they are being spammed up, I guess. Also check /etc/default/spamassassin to ensure it's enabled
[03:06] <Hobbsee> right
[03:07] <Hobbsee> would have thought i'd have to tell it where my email was...
[03:08] <mdke> i don't believe so, if it's client side only
[03:09] <Hobbsee> right
[03:10] <Hobbsee> OK, team redirected to a new gmail address, whcih will forward to my main address :p
[03:10] <Hobbsee> which will hopefully catch the spam
[03:10] <mdke> good plan
it all went haywire when i switched it from pop3 gmail to imap </whine>
[03:11] <mdke> imap is great though
[03:11] <Hobbsee> it is!
[03:12] <Hobbsee> OK, so should i take the @ubuntu and @kubuntu emails out of the list, or just not leave them as the deafult?
[03:12] <mdke> the latter
[03:12] <mdke> I have no idea if it will update itself automatically, or if it will take a while
[03:13] <Hobbsee> right
[03:13] <Hobbsee> i think i broke launchpad for a while, trying that last time.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> as in, trying to change the deafult mail
[03:13] <Hobbsee> had half of the mail going to one place, half going to the other...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> now *that* was amusing.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> and annoying
[03:14] <Hobbsee> OK, i've switched it over, so hopefully it wont all blow up
[03:15] <mdke> difficult to tell, with bugmail broken and all :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ah!  so bugmail *is* broken?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> i *thought* it was odd that i only got 1 bug report in 3 or so days...
[03:16] <mdke> since tuesday ish
[03:16] <Hobbsee> yup, that'd be about right
[03:16] <Hobbsee> mdke: you work for canonical, btw?
[03:16] <mdke> no
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:17] <mdke> I turned from that path :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ahhh, so you did?
[03:17] <mdke> no
[03:17] <Hobbsee> oh right
[03:17] <mdke> I decided to sell my soul and be a lawyer
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hrm ,new address hasnt been spammed yet.  *grin*
[03:20] <Hobbsee> mdke: curious question here...if you're using imap - which client?
[03:20] <mdke> thunderbird :(
[03:20] <Hobbsee> but thunderbird sucks for imap
[03:20] <mdke> Hobbsee: not as badly as evolution
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh...i was wondering about that...
[03:21] <Hobbsee> not as bad as kmail either - that keeps crashing on selecting a message :P
[03:22] <mdke> in TB?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> yeah.  beta1
[03:23] <Hobbsee> could be a beta1 specific problem though
[03:23] <mdke> preferences, advanced, config editor, mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new?
[03:26] <mdke> I guess it requires a fair amount of time/bandwidth
[03:26] <Hobbsee> true
[03:26] <Hobbsee> but still...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ah well :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> thanks very much for that :)
[03:27] <mdke> np
[03:27] <Hobbsee> well, maybe a little
[09:19] <mhb> Hi all ... I wanted to know whether it is wise to start a new local group for every product in LP that's going to be translated by us ( jokosher-l10n-cs, upstart-l10n-cs etc )
[09:29] <mdke> it's recommended to use the relevant ubuntu translation team. In theory though, it's possible for you to do that
[09:29] <mdke> mhb: ^
[09:31] <mdke> I would have thought that upstart is best translated in Ubuntu anyway
[09:38] <mhb> mdke: I guess upstart is
[09:39] <mhb> mdke: but still, I don't want to pretend it's for Ubuntu translators only
[09:45] <mhb> mdke: Rosetta has the potential of becoming a good tool for smaller projects that have their translations stored on a VCS repository as a .po file, which is rather clumsy.
[09:46] <mhb> mdke: and for such projects there should be independent translation teams ... but I agree, upstart is currently linked with Ubuntu, that is logical
[09:48] <mdke> brb
[10:11] <mdke> mhb: yes, for established translation projects, the project groups should be used. for new ones, we recommend using the Ubuntu teams because the infrastructure is already in place and its easy
[10:11] <mdke> mhb: I suppose for an upstream project, you could have a single team for all languages... Not sure.
[10:13] <mhb> mdke: well, but you can convince just one or few upstream translation teams to migrate to Rosetta, not every one
[10:14] <mhb> mdke: in a current upstream project
[10:14] <mdke> hmm. I think it's better for the project as a whole to migrate, rather than specific languages only
[10:15] <mdke> but yeah, it's possible.
[10:15] <mhb> mdke: but that's not feasible, I know how stubborn some people can be
[10:15] <mhb> mdke: and developers actually don't care much about translations
[10:15] <mdke> that doesn't matter, no one forces anyone to use Rosetta :)
[10:15] <mdke> they can use it if they like
[10:16] <mhb> mdke: yes, that's what I meant ... 
[10:16] <mdke> no problem there
[10:17] <mhb> mdke: cool. thanks.