[12:14] <ernstp> employed ubuntu people working all christmas? :-)
[12:15] <crimsun> if so, it's a rarity
[12:18] <herz1> how do I automatically load a module when a device gets plugged in?
[12:19] <herz1> (read: it's not loaded automatically right now and I'd like to report a bug with enough information to get this fix right into ubuntu without any further work on it)
[12:20] <ernstp> herz1: you should file a bug on udev then I think...
[12:23] <herz1> I observed that fact that several bugs take ages if there's some work required by the maintainers, so I'd like to get this solved and just attach a patch to such a bug
[12:35] <lifeless> herz1: the kernel tells udev what devices are there
[12:35] <lifeless> herz1: udev inserts the module
[12:36] <lifeless> herz1: and the module may then look for firmware
[12:37] <lifeless> herz1: failure modes: hardware is not detected -> kernel. hardware is reported wrongly -> kernel. hardware is reported correctly, udev doesn't know which driver -> kernel or udev. firmware is missing -> may be a licence issue, or may be a bug
[12:37] <lifeless> missing firmware is probably a kernel issue again
[12:38] <herz1> lifeless: any idea on how to find out which of these issues the cause is?
[12:39] <lifeless> yes. research :)
[12:39] <herz1> of course :-)
[12:39] <lifeless> do I have a canned answer - no, sorry.
[12:40] <herz1> the point is: the device works (after a manual modprobe)
[12:40] <herz1> i just want to get rid of that modprobe
[01:27] <alex-weej> can anyone tell me what our initrd actually does?
[01:30] <mjg59> Starts usplash, loads drivers, mounts root, starts init
[01:31] <Robot101> mounts root using early udev
[02:20] <alex-weej> can anybody tell me what *should* be in my /etc/fstab?
[02:20] <alex-weej> i only have /proc, / and swap right now
[02:20] <alex-weej> i thought i needed one for /dev/shm
[02:21] <alex-weej> it seems it's automatically done that
[02:21] <cypherbios> alex-weej: it's seems that it is not needed
[02:21] <alex-weej> and sysfs :E
[02:21] <cypherbios> alex-weej: just /proc, / and swap is sufficient 
[02:21] <alex-weej> ok yeah that seems fine
[02:22] <alex-weej> thanks
[02:23] <Robot101> tbh proc will probably be done automatically for you too, but by convention/hysterical raisins it's still there
[02:24] <alex-weej> i actually removed my optical drives a while ago
[02:24] <alex-weej> from my fstab
[02:24] <alex-weej> is there any disadvantage to this?
[02:25] <Robot101> no
[02:25] <Robot101> (this seems unrelated to ubuntu development)
[02:25] <alex-weej> yeah my bad
[02:26] <alex-weej> not like anyone else was talking though :P
[02:27] <alex-weej> however, on the issue of ubuntu development, are there any plans to turn on automatic session saving in feisty?
[02:27] <alex-weej> it's one of the stock features of GNOME i'm always surprised to find still disabled every time i do a new install
[05:46] <twb> Mithrandir: ping
[06:37] <MagicFab> hi, I was wondering about the status of Ubuntu on HPPA ? I see http://ubuntu-hppa.pateam.org/ hasn't been updated in a while
[06:41] <Hobbsee> MagicFab: i doubt canonical owns that address, so cant update it.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ may be a help
[06:41] <MagicFab> Well, it's not officially supported from what I've read
[06:42] <Hobbsee> or whatever the index page is
[06:42] <Hobbsee> that's correct, iirc
[06:44] <MagicFab> this seems like a nice summary of ports: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000040.html
[06:47] <StevenK> If I recall correctly, hppa wasn't bootstraped for Edgy.
[10:16] <Mithrandir> twb: hiya
[10:17] <twb> Mithrandir: any idea when the next casper version will be released?
[10:19] <Mithrandir> twb: not this year. :-P
[10:19] <twb> :-(
[10:19] <Mithrandir> twb: how about next week?
[10:19] <twb> Wait, it's december or something
[10:20] <Mithrandir> yeah, it's next year in two days.
[10:20] <twb> Mithrandir: I merged the debian stuff into my branch, but I don't know what the procedure is for then getting that code into feisty's main repo.
[10:20] <Mithrandir> prodding me until I merge it.
[10:20] <Mithrandir> :-)
[10:21] <twb> k
[10:21] <Mithrandir> sorry I've been unresponsive, but I've been vacationing
[10:21] <twb> No worries.
[10:22] <twb> It works right now; it's just that once it goes into the feisty mirrors I can remove some hocus code from my build scripts and just use pinning.
[10:22] <Mithrandir> yeah, and you have some shiny stuff want to grab as well
[10:23] <twb> Oh?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> the nfsroot stuff, for instance.
[10:24] <twb> Right
[10:24] <twb> It's really Debian Live's shiny stuff, not mine.
[05:44] <bddebian> Heya
[09:36] <szachista> hi there
[09:37] <szachista> who is responsible for the look&feel of official ubuntu site?
[09:38] <Mithrandir> szachista: newz2000, but he, like most of the rest of the people involved are on vacation now
[09:39] <mdke> szachista: bugs here: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bugs
[09:39] <szachista> ohh... what a pty ;(
[09:39] <szachista> i just would like too now if there is any project that aims to fully internatiolize that webpage
[09:39] <szachista> and if i could help with it
[09:40] <mdke> our local teams maintain their own localised websites
[09:40] <szachista> mdke: that sucks, just look at debian.org
[09:40] <szachista> why ubuntu can't have the same?
[09:40] <mdke> I think it works well, myself
[09:40] <szachista> but are there any plans to make in multi-linual?
[09:41] <szachista> it*
[09:41] <szachista> lingual*
[09:41] <mdke> that way localised forums and documentation are in the same place as the localised website
[09:41] <szachista> sorry for my english ;(
[09:41] <mdke> e.g. http://ubuntu.pl/
[09:41] <szachista> mdke: but it's not official website i think
[09:42] <szachista> mdke: i was told somebody not connected with cannonical has to pay for the servers
[09:42] <mdke> it's the official polish website
[09:43] <szachista> mds: but why there are google adds one forum.ubuntu.pl?
[09:43] <mdke> Canonical provides hosting if required
[09:43] <szachista> mdke: hmm... administrator of polish ubuntu forum said they have to pay for everyting, and cannonical just links to them from ubuntu.com
[09:44] <mdke> that's their choice
[09:44] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting
[09:44] <szachista> mdke: so if they would asked, cannonical would offer them free hosting?
[09:44] <szachista> would ask*
[09:44] <mdke> yes
[09:45] <szachista> hmm... that strange :/
[09:46] <szachista> ok, thanks for information
[09:46] <szachista> i'll try to conntact local community :)
[09:51] <kent> szachista: having the national Ubuntu community driven by them selves and for them selves is better. Some costs (server space etc) is paid for by canonical, and the rest is done by the community. its more cost-effective as fare as I know, and most likely more effective way of getting work done.
[10:10] <mdke> kent, szachista: we do need to improve the visibility of the local sites from the main English site though
[10:10] <mdke> any ideas very welcome on the bug tracker
[10:16] <kent> mdke: the same mechanism www.debian.org  uses to get the right translation could be used to have a link on the frontpage to the right LoCo, perhaps?  (bugtracker is a nick for some one here who automaticly get things done, right?  ;) )
[10:19] <mdke> kent: I think it would be quite complicated to use content negotiation to change links. But maybe it's possible.