[12:13] <smax> hi
[12:13] <smax> how can i get C libraries
[12:13] <DaSkreech> Hello
[12:13] <smax> for C programming
[12:13] <harrisony1> !hi | DaSkreech
[12:13] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:13] <smax> and C++
[12:13] <DaSkreech> apt-get libc6-dev AFAIR
[12:13] <intelikey> draik grub gives a 'albeit very simple' command prompt that you can work from.
[12:13] <felipe__> DaSkreech: Ok I killed all adept process
[12:13] <robotgeek> smax: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:13] <harrisony1> !clibaries
[12:13] <draik> I am in the GRUB CLI
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clibaries - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <DaSkreech> felipe__: all right try the sudo dpkg -a --configure
[12:14] <felipe__> DaSkreech: Nothing happens...not even feedback from the konsole
[12:14] <intelikey> draik if i used or even could use grub i'd try to walk you through it.   but as it is you'll have to ask someone else for specifics.
[12:15] <DaSkreech> Does it return you back to the command or is it doing something?
[12:15] <Spiffyman> Non-critical question: My right alt-key is unresponsive, though my left one works. The fixes I've found on the forums seem to be GNOME specific. Any suggestions?
[12:15] <felipe__> DaSkreech: Back to the command line
[12:15] <DaSkreech> felipe__: reaaly? :)
[12:15] <felipe__> DaSkreech: yeah :(
[12:16] <DaSkreech> felipe__: OK try apt-get install <sun-javapackagename_I_Don't_recall>
[12:16] <DaSkreech> Sudo of course
[12:16] <harrisony1> !java
[12:16] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:16] <harrisony1> felipe__: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[12:16] <Schuenemann> which java are you trying to install?
[12:16] <Schuenemann> if it's 6, prepare to suffer
[12:16] <DaSkreech> sun-java5-jre
[12:16] <intelikey> Spiffyman i doubt that it is "unresponsive"   it is not the same as left alt but it does work.    example;  in console do  openvt -fc 24  then hit [right alt] +[f12]    :)
[12:16] <DaSkreech> Blast
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: How so?
[12:17] <felipe__> DaSkreech: Now its working im installing the sun-java5-jr5 right now
[12:17] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech: all those update-alternatives --install are really boring
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah. Hopefully GPL will get rid of that
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Though a better made package would take of *
[12:18] <harrisony1> ubotu: you there
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you there - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <Schuenemann> can you tell me what is the syntax?
[12:18] <Schuenemann> harrisony1: he's a bot
[12:18] <harrisony1> oh wrong person
[12:18] <harrisony1> rofl
[12:19] <DaSkreech> Great
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Where does OO.o store it's temporary files?
[12:20] <intelikey> Spiffyman in linux each key is different although some things accept right_alt the same as left_alt    or r_ctrl  same as l_ctrl   the actual signal is different by default.    if that answers your Q.
[12:20] <Spiffyman> It does. How do I change that? :P
[12:21] <Spiffyman> Incidentally, openvt -fc 24 yielded the following:
[12:21] <Schuenemann> !xev
[12:21] <ubotu> xev: X client - xev. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:21] <Spiffyman> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[12:21] <Spiffyman> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Argh!!
[12:21] <Bubba_Gump> i have closed ktorrent yet firestarter says i am receiving UDP packets from BitTorrent. Any reason for this?
[12:21] <intelikey> Spiffyman i said in a console.  not in a terminal.
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> Bubba_Gump: you sure it's closed and not just in the task tray?
[12:22] <Bubba_Gump> yeah, ktorrent closed
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> Bubba_Gump: plus the trackers may still have you listed so it will take some time for them to stop checking you for what you WERE offering.
[12:22] <intelikey> but at any rate you want key binding information.  your search for it will probably be faster than mine.
[12:22] <Schuenemann> try "xev"
[12:22] <Schuenemann> to find key codes
[12:23] <Bubba_Gump> ahh i see :)
[12:23] <Bubba_Gump> thanks :)
[12:23] <Spiffyman> Hmmm, apparently I don't know the difference between consoles and terminals.
[12:24] <DaSkreech> Spiffyman: terminals are M-^[1-6] 
[12:24] <Spiffyman> Thanks to both of you. I'll look around. I found a screen in System Settings where I can view key-bindings, but I hadn't been able to change them.
[12:24] <felipe__> DaSkreech: where can I find sun-java5-plugin_1.5.0-06-1_i386.deb
[12:24] <felipe__> ?
[12:24] <Schuenemann> what is key-binding?
[12:26] <intelikey> Spiffyman the linux console can be reached by pressing  L_ctrl+L_alt+f1   actually f1 through f6  for tty1 through tty6  which are active by default.    X is running in tty7 by default.    L_alt+f7 to get back to X
[12:26] <Schuenemann> felipe__: why do you need that?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> felipe__: you can apt-get it
[12:27] <fana> eo?
[12:27] <fana> agur jende
[12:27] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Actaully Ican RM-R^+3 and jump to the third terminal
[12:27] <DaSkreech> fana: Portugese?
[12:28] <fana> spanish
[12:28] <intelikey> konsole is a linux terminal application     konsole != console     konsole = xterm = aterm = eterm = rxvt = gnome-terminal    roughly speeking.
[12:28] <DaSkreech> !es | fana
[12:28] <ubotu> fana: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:28] <fana> ok tanks
[12:28] <felipe__> DaSkreech: E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-plugin_1.5.0-06-1_i386.deb
[12:28] <DaSkreech> fana: Muchas Gracias :)
[12:28] <Spiffyman> Thanks. I see now. However, after openvt -fc 24, [right alt] +[F12]  did nothing.
[12:28] <DaSkreech> felipe__: Just use sun-java5-plugin
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> !info sun-java5-plugin
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Does anyone know if OO.o stores a backup of the files it opens?
[12:29] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> hehe, oops. My konversation stopped scrolling. hehe
[12:30] <Schuenemann> konversation gets really slow as the channel text grows
[12:30] <felipe__> DaSkreech: Thanks, everything working now :)
[12:30] <DaSkreech> :-)
[12:31] <DaSkreech> anyone?
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: well, my problem was that my scrollbar had been moved so I was looking at old messages.
[12:31] <intelikey> Spiffyman hmmm works here.    but at any rate, tty's 1-12 can be reached with left_alt+f#  while tty's 13-24 can be reached with right_alt+f#   or one can step through them with left_alt+left{or}right_arrow     not that you will be using consoles anyway.
[12:32] <Spiffyman> Great, thank you very much. I think for now I'll leave the right alt the way it is. It's probably better for me to get used to just using the left alt and leave right alt for the future - if I do end up needing/wanting to use consoles.
[12:32] <cntb> LeeJunFan: importantthing you haveppl to share
[12:33] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I can reach 1 with right al
[12:33] <DaSkreech> alt
[12:33] <intelikey> the linux console is not the point.  the fact that left and right alt keys do different things is.
[12:33] <eldary> Hola
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy, I lost my scrns after trying to resetup direct rendering with my ATI card
[12:33] <intelikey> DaSkreech from console ?
[12:33] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Nope from X
[12:35] <Schuenemann> intelikey: you want to remap a key?
[12:35] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes in X the key-binding is different.  it's first set by xkb  then again by kde specific bindings....  no telling what kde has it set to.
[12:35] <intelikey> Schuenemann no Spiffyman did.
[12:35] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Ahh lucsiously convoluted
[12:35] <Schuenemann> did he accomplish it?
[12:35] <intelikey> scroll up and read his last post.
[12:36] <intelikey> short answer    he dropped it.
[12:36] <Schuenemann> I see
[12:36] <Spiffyman> Yeah. :)
[12:36] <Schuenemann> well, he could've tried this: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552768
[12:37] <Schuenemann> you can use xmodmap
[12:37] <BluesKaj> I'm in the shell using irssi. startx gives this message : fatal IO error 104 on X server ":0.0"
[12:37] <Spiffyman> I'll look into mapping just in case.
[12:37] <Spiffyman> I'm sure I'll find it handy at some point. I'm a recent convert from Windows, so I'm enjoying looking at things even if I don't need them.
[12:38] <DaSkreech> Man I hope Oo.o Protects against users error
[12:39] <intelikey> Spiffyman the only keys i have changed from default.  {and i leave nothing default...}  are the two windows keys  which i set to page left and right respectivly in the console.     and i'm in the console 99% of the time.
[12:40] <Spiffyman> intelikey: Well maybe it WON'T be handy at some point. I wouldn't mind making my Windows keys useful, though.
[12:40] <intelikey> thinking back i recall asking in an irc channel how to make both alt keys do the same thing...   seems long ago now.
[12:40] <Schuenemann> don't you just have to map the right alt to do the same as the left alt?
[12:40] <intelikey> yes
[12:41] <Spiffyman> My old Inspiron has all sorts of keys I've yet to test, some of which had useful functions in Windows. So I may yet find a use for remapping.
[12:41] <Schuenemann> well, that's what the link I pasted explains
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Parse error on line 54 of section module in file /etc/X11/xorg,conf ...but I can't access the file cuz i have no X :(
[12:41] <Spiffyman> Yeah, Schuenemann, thanks for that.
[12:41] <Spiffyman> Firefox has frozen/crashed on me about 4 times today, and I can't tell why.
[12:42] <intelikey> ok i'll go back to where i know nothing at all... in "kde"  and try to setup a printer that the computer doesn't know exists...
[12:42] <BluesKaj> murchadh_bhaba: welcome back ..connect probs ?
[12:43] <Spiffyman> intelikey: Sounds like fun. I may be joining you in that before long. When I get home from holiday break, I'll have to set up an old Apple LaserWriter.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> I'm in the shell using irssi. startx gives this message : fatal IO error 104 on X server ":0.0"
[12:44] <BluesKaj> I'm in the shell using irssi. startx gives this message : fatal IO error 104 on X server ":0.0"
[12:44] <BluesKaj> oops
[12:44] <intelikey> need more info BluesKaj
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy, I lost my scrns after trying to resetup direct rendering with my ATI card
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Parse error on line 54 of section module in file /etc/X11/xorg,conf ...but I can't access the file cuz i have no X :(
[12:45] <intelikey> sure you can access the file.   alt+f2 login and sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:46] <intelikey> alt+f1 back to here.
[12:49] <intelikey> BluesKaj you are playing around in that most terrorfying place known as the linux console.... where i live.  :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> hehe intelikey , ok i edited out the line that i added previous to the lost scrn.. how do i save the adits ?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> edits
[12:52] <intelikey> and for the record.   not only are there 6 active consoles by default but you can open up to 128 as needed.   and one may scroll up with shift+pg-up  as needed in any active console.
[12:52] <intelikey> as for saving read the help at the bottom of the screen
[12:52] <intelikey> ^ means the crtl key
[12:54] <omgponiezlol> hello, I need a link to see my ext3 partition on Windows
[12:55] <intelikey> gpm = general purpose mouse   makes copy and paste happen in the console as well as adding mouse functions to some apps.
[12:55] <intelikey> omgponiezlol search for something called e2fsexplorer   i think
[12:56] <intelikey> yeah i don't know why gpm is not standard equipment in *buntu...
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: because they don't plan on anyone using the console probably.
[12:57] <omgponiezlol> intelikey: thanks.
[12:57] <intelikey> server install ???
[12:57] <trpr> i'll take a guess. it probably conflicts with X in rare cases, which they wanted to avoid altogether
[12:57] <intelikey> omgponiezlol np
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, servers, but then I only use gpm on my desktop machine as my servers rarely get accessed by anything other than ssh.
[12:58] <intelikey> trpr never seen it conflict.   it also provides a mouse repeter that x can use if you want.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> BRB...dinnertime
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: then there's the people that say ubuntu isn't a server dist, even though my mailserver with ubuntu kernel no less has an uptime close to 280 days now.
[12:59] <trpr> intelikey: i have experienced conflict between the two, but never w/ ubuntu. a few years back i would have to turn gpm off when launching x :\
[01:00] <intelikey> trpr that was kernel 2.4 specific
[01:00] <intelikey> and would work if you used gpm as the repeter.
[01:01] <trpr> intelikey: ah. that does make a lot of sense. i wonder what reason they have for leaving it out
[01:01] <intelikey> in other words let x access gpmctl rather than the device node.
[01:01] <intelikey> trpr idk
[01:02] <intelikey> size is not likely to be the reason
[01:02] <intelikey> Installed-Size: 496
[01:02] <omgponiezlol> hmm i'm having too hard a time recovering grub from this install disk. maybe I'll just leave it like this for now
[01:02] <intelikey> k
[01:03] <intelikey> grub wont work for me so i have never really tried to learn about it.
[01:04] <omgponiezlol> well its usually worked for me, I just had to reinstall windows so it went destroyed the MB
[01:04] <intelikey> yeah
[01:04] <intelikey> !grub
[01:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:04] <omgponiezlol> MBR* I've been at this computer for several hours, I think I'm just going to call it quits for now
[01:04] <intelikey> first link ^
[01:05] <omgponiezlol> yea i've tried that guide, not working. the installer keeps crashing
[01:05] <intelikey> oooh yuch
[01:05] <omgponiezlol> i have a super Grub disk somewhere. I'll use that some time soon
[01:05] <omgponiezlol> well ttul intelikey, i'll probably back on my regular nick
[01:06] <[Relic] > Is there any app that will allow for showing of bandwidth up/down in the bar rather than in an actual application?
[01:06] <[Relic] > like ksensors for my cpu temp
[01:07] <intelikey> gkrelm  or some such   i think
 gkrlem  ?
[01:08] <intelikey> gkrellm
[01:09] <intelikey> apt-cache search gkrellm     and see if there is anything you like
[01:15] <Schuenemann> how can I turn a string into upcase, with shell script?
[01:15] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: in python, look at string.upper method
[01:15] <Schuenemann> not python, shell script
[01:15] <unix_infidel> !info python
[01:15] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[01:16] <Schuenemann> I don't want python
[01:16] <robotgeek> okay
[01:16] <Schuenemann> :p
[01:16] <unix_infidel> Schuenemann: my query was totally unrelated :P
[01:16] <intelikey> Schuenemann tr
[01:16] <Schuenemann> !tr
[01:16] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[01:16] <Schuenemann> that doesn't help much
[01:16] <Schuenemann> tr $string ?
[01:16] <intelikey> no not a locale   the app  tr
[01:17] <BluesKaj> back
[01:17] <intelikey> part of text-utils i think
[01:17] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: echo "cat" | tr '[a-z] ' '[A-Z] '`;
[01:17] <Schuenemann> what... ?
[01:18] <intelikey> Schuenemann echo 'your string' | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] 
[01:18] <robotgeek> heh, damn typos
[01:18] <Schuenemann> that just changed prompt to >
[01:19] <intelikey> Schuenemann if it's in a file    cat file | | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] 
[01:19] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: do what intelikey says, i typoed
[01:19] <intelikey> oops only one |
[01:19] <Schuenemann> it's a hslle script
[01:19] <robotgeek> from http://www.joot.com/dave/writings/articles/unix-tricks.shtml
[01:19] <Schuenemann> shell script
[01:19] <intelikey> robotgeek me too
[01:19] <robotgeek> heh, okay
[01:19] <intelikey> Schuenemann if it's in a file    cat file | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] 
[01:20] <intelikey> if you want it into another file    cat file | tr [a-z]  [A-Z]  > newfile
[01:20] <Schuenemann> I don't want any files lol
[01:20] <Theory> hurrah! I have suspend working!
[01:20] <Schuenemann> I'm doing a shell script, I'll read user input and I wanted to upcase it
[01:20] <intelikey> then use the first example.
[01:20] <Schuenemann> isn't there something simple like upcase $var ?
[01:20] <intelikey> tr
[01:20] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: tr might take that as an argument as well
[01:21] <Schuenemann> so, how do I upcase $op ?
[01:21] <intelikey> echo $op | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] 
[01:22] <intelikey> need that in another veriable   do this
[01:22] <intelikey> newvar=`echo $op | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] `
[01:23] <Ace2016> Does anyone here know anything about xara? it looks free but is it really free forever or it there a catch or something? wasn't it closed source or something?
[01:23] <intelikey> xara-gtk - GTK GUI utility for searching the Debian package database
[01:23] <intelikey> !xara-gtk
[01:23] <ubotu> xara-gtk: GTK utility for searching the Debian package database. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.13 (edgy), package size 562 kB, installed size 1644 kB
[01:24] <intelikey> that's all i know about it.
[01:24] <Schuenemann> echo `$option | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] `
[01:25] <intelikey> only if $option expands to something that outputs text
[01:25] <Schuenemann> $option is a string read from user input
[01:26] <Schuenemann> appearently it tries to execute the value of $option
[01:26] <intelikey> then the first ` is probably in the wrong place.
[01:26] <Schuenemann> like if it were a program
[01:26] <intelikey> yes.
[01:26] <M06w> howcome every time i try to do anything to make my computer work better it explodes in my face and i have to reinstall windows, thus loosing half a years worth of settings and documents
[01:26] <intelikey> that's what ` does
[01:26] <Ace2016> intelikey: i mean the graphics app as in http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download/
[01:26] <Schuenemann> so I should not use `
[01:26] <ZeroSystem> hello, i have kubunta and for some reasoin my wireless adapter is always disabled if i enable it it disabales automaticly after 1 sec what could be wrong ?
[01:26] <intelikey> ` says execute this first
[01:27] <Schuenemann> ok, I got it to work
[01:27] <Schuenemann> echo "$option" | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] 
[01:27] <M06w> zero, what brand is your card
[01:27] <ZeroSystem> buffalo
[01:27] <M06w> buffalo?
[01:27] <M06w> never heard of buffalo
[01:27] <Schuenemann> !buffalo
[01:27] <intelikey> yes   and if you need that done and the output stored in a var  you use ``
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buffalo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <ZeroSystem> http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/wireless-g-125-high-speed/wireless-g-125-high-speed-pci-adapter/
[01:27] <Schuenemann> intelikey: right, thx
[01:27] <fdoving> intelikey: [:lower:]  and [:upper:]  is fancier :)
[01:28] <Schuenemann> fdoving: I need that
[01:28] <ZeroSystem> it works on windows sides but it has software disabe at linux
[01:28] <Schuenemann> I knew there was something simpler
[01:28] <intelikey> maybe be  but no more functional
[01:28] <M06w> how does the system label your cards connection (mines ra0)
[01:28] <fdoving> intelikey: it handles  too
[01:28] <ZeroSystem> eth1
[01:28] <robotgeek> M06w: yours is a ralink card
[01:28] <BluesKaj> intelikey: any suggestions , editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file didn't help :(
[01:28] <Schuenemann> fdoving: what's the syntax, please?
[01:28] <robotgeek> M06w: so, it will be ra0
[01:28] <M06w> robo, i know
[01:29] <intelikey> BluesKaj reconfigure x ?
[01:29] <M06w> eth1 would be for an ethernet card i think
[01:29] <intelikey> BluesKaj sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:29] <BluesKaj> ok, what's the command /
[01:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:29] <BluesKaj> ok thx
[01:29] <intelikey> np
[01:29] <fdoving> intelikey: nevermind, it does not handle those chars.
[01:30] <ZeroSystem> but it has a wireless info on it x.x
[01:30] <fdoving> Schuenemann: [:lower:]  does the same as [a-z] , [:upper:]  does the same as [A-Z] 
[01:30] <Ace2016> for xara that is
[01:30] <Schuenemann> but it supports  etc, right?
[01:30] <Schuenemann> without having to type every rule
[01:31] <mauro> Woa, i just read an article that said ubuntu had 8 million users!
[01:31] <M06w> anybody got an error map for grub?
[01:31] <fdoving> Schuenemann: wouldn't count on it.
[01:31] <Schuenemann> fdoving: ok, how do I use it?
[01:31] <mauro> anyone know if thats true ?
[01:31] <Schuenemann> [:upper:]  $option ?
[01:31] <fdoving> Schuenemann: no, as intelikey explained earlier. it's options to 'tr'.
[01:31] <Schuenemann> ahh...
[01:31] <fdoving> Schuenemann: man tr
[01:32] <fdoving> M06w: http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html
[01:32] <intelikey> Schuenemann no   [A-Z]  == [:upper:]     and [a-z]  == [:lower:] 
[01:32] <Schuenemann> this is worse than what we had
[01:32] <jerp> soulrider: what does the article use as its sources?
[01:32] <intelikey> just two ways of saying the same thing.
[01:32] <Schuenemann> how about [:alpha:] 
[01:33] <intelikey> that's any letter
[01:33] <intelikey> upper or lower
[01:33] <intelikey> and [:num:]  is digits  and  [:alnum:]  is both
[01:34] <intelikey> iirc
[01:34] <soulrider> i saw it on digg i think
[01:34] <M06w> fdoving, would you know how to fix error 11?
[01:35] <Schuenemann> does not work for , etc
[01:35] <intelikey> man bash    man tr    man regex     man man       just don't   man woman   there is no manual for woman.
[01:35] <Schuenemann> heh
[01:36] <intelikey> Schuenemann man sed   sed can do anything tr can do and more
[01:37] <fdoving> awk is also very very nice.
[01:37] <intelikey> but the syntax is kinda funky
[01:37] <Schuenemann> any programming language has upcase(string)...
[01:37] <intelikey> perl probably
[01:37] <Schuenemann> I can do without that, it's okay
[01:38] <intelikey> perl is made for playing with text
[01:38] <Schuenemann> but ANY language has an upcase function
[01:38] <Schuenemann> that's why I find it weird shell script doesn't
[01:38] <fdoving> you can make a uppercase command in bash too, if you want to.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> hmmm, intelikey ," dpkg conflicting actions -e (--control) and -r (--remove)"
[01:39] <intelikey> you added a space BluesKaj
[01:39] <intelikey> BluesKaj sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   <<<< repost
[01:39] <intelikey> no space in dpkg- <
[01:40] <intelikey> and don't tell me that's not what happened....
[01:40] <intelikey> :)
[01:40] <intelikey> use tab-completion.
[01:40] <intelikey> dpkg-r[tab] 
[01:40] <defiant> What do I do to install install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[01:41] <intelikey> flash 7 ?
[01:41] <intelikey> !flash9
[01:41] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[01:41] <soulrider> defiant: install flash 9 formt he repos
[01:41] <ZeroSystem> hello i want to know how come i cant enable my wireless adapter ?
[01:41] <defiant> soulrider I am not sure how to do that
[01:41] <Schuenemann> is flash9 final already?
[01:42] <soulrider> defiant: have youi enabled universe and multiverse ?
[01:42] <defiant> soulrider is it possible for you to tell me how to do that please?
[01:42] <defiant> soulrider I do not think I have
[01:42] <Schuenemann> !backports | defiant
[01:42] <ubotu> defiant: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:43] <soulrider> there
[01:43] <Schuenemann> !multiverse
[01:43] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:43] <soulrider> once you enabled the repos, you need to type "sudo aptitude install flahsplugin-nonfree" in a console
[01:43] <Schuenemann> !aptitude
[01:43] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[01:44] <Schuenemann> doesn't apt-get do that too?
[01:44] <Schuenemann> remember dependencies
[01:44] <soulrider> yea
[01:44] <soulrider> aptitude is like apt-get
[01:44] <intelikey> well the attack is on.
[01:45] <defiant> someone just sent me a sources list. What do i do with this
[01:45] <Schuenemann> someone?
[01:45] <defiant> Yes I think it was intelikey
[01:45] <intelikey> defiant have a look in it.  adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly.
[01:45] <trpr> heh. good question. i thought one was a frontend for the other.. not that there was any added functionality
[01:46] <defiant> oh Thank you intelikey
[01:46] <Schuenemann> trpr: but apt-get does that too
[01:46] <intelikey> you can remove all but the very first # mark if you like defiant
[01:47] <defiant> great! I appreciate it intelikey
[01:47] <intelikey> the reason i have them in there is to disable non-free sources.
[01:47] <intelikey> np   welcome.
[01:47] <fowlduck> hi people
[01:47] <fowlduck> miss me?
[01:48] <Schuenemann> intelikey: option="$option" | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] 
[01:48] <intelikey> fowlduck i didn't even shoot at you.
[01:48] <intelikey> :)
[01:48] <defiant> intelikey I did apt-get update and then I tried apt-get install flash9 and it told me can not find package
[01:48] <Schuenemann> is this supposed to work?
[01:48] <intelikey> Schuenemann no
[01:48] <Schuenemann> defiant: sudo apt-get install flahsplugin-nonfree
[01:48] <intelikey> option=`echo "$option" | tr [a-z]  [A-Z] `
[01:49] <intelikey> Schuenemann  that is ^
[01:49] <defiant> it says could find package intelikey
[01:49] <defiant> I mean could not find package intelikey Sorry I mis typed
[01:49] <intelikey> you have to update after you change sources.list
[01:49] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[01:50] <intelikey> then try.
[01:50] <defiant> I ran that already
[01:50] <sersport1> hi
[01:50] <sersport1> i'm russian
[01:51] <intelikey> you did uncomment backports ?
[01:51] <intelikey> !ru
[01:51] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:51] <fowlduck> you might need to add multiverse onto some of those sources
[01:51] <defiant> yes intelikey and the same error
[01:52] <intelikey> fowlduck it's there... if he's using my sources.list  i sent him
[01:52] <fowlduck> intelikey: right
[01:52] <intelikey> hmm odd.   the bot thinks it's there.
[01:52] <defiant> I am running apt-get update again
[01:53] <BluesKaj> ok intelikey , thx ...got my desktop back :)
[01:53] <defiant> same thing again intelikey
[01:53] <Schuenemann> I didn't know shell script was so boring
[01:53] <intelikey> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:53] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:54] <defiant> event not found
[01:54] <intelikey> well the script kiddy is about to reset my connection again.    i'm not sure how long i'm willing to put up with this...
[01:55] <draik> intelikey: script kiddy?
[01:55] <intelikey> lag upto 14 seconds   krap
[01:55] <Schuenemann> intelikey: he's hackign you?
[01:55] <Schuenemann> hacking*
[01:55] <intelikey> yeah wana be hacker
[01:55] <trpr> running scripts at least :p
[01:55] <draik> and that's about it
[01:55] <fowlduck> intelikey: time to break out metasploit and  drop him like a bad habit
[01:55] <Schuenemann> something bad about freenode is that it doesn't hide ips
[01:56] <intelikey> thinks he is.  been at it for several days.
[01:56] <draik> lag: 193 ms
[01:56] <trpr> what did you do to him? "kiddie" is a good adjective. probably is a kid
[01:56] <Schuenemann> go to his house and smack him
[01:56] <intelikey> i have often even started sshd for him  but he is still scared to login...
[01:56] <matthew_> intelikey, still getting portscanned?
[01:56] <Steven_M_> Is anyone on here using dailup with kubuntu?
[01:56] <Schuenemann> I'd better shut up, me might be reading this
[01:57] <defiant> intelikey I still get the same error message
[01:57] <draik> intelikey: give me his info and I will PERSONALLY go to his house and give him a good "hacking" with my axe... insert stumpy joke here...
[01:57] <mauro> whats happening? =/
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I setup a user un/pw test/test to test 1 thing on my laptop, and within 15 seconds it was cracked. hehe
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: now that was timing.
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> ssh
[01:58] <intelikey> matthew_ yeah mostly just scans   been a few ssh hits in the past.
[01:58] <fowlduck> LeeJunFan: wow, you must get scanned constantly, I don't get that many scans
[01:58] <Schuenemann> how do I check that?
[01:58] <intelikey> defiant someone else will have to help you.  i'm lagging to bad now.
[01:58] <matthew_> intelikey, weird...esp. since ubuntu doesn't have a root account...what does he hope to accomplish? Your password is strong, right?
[01:58] <defiant> oh ok. Thank you
[01:59] <intelikey> LeeJunFan lol  i'd say it was.  :)
[01:59] <fowlduck> intelikey: do you have a legitimate source address?  If he really is a kid you could seriously piss off his parents
[01:59] <fowlduck> outward-facing passwords must be at a minimum 12 characters with uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and special characters
[01:59] <defiant> I am having issues with installation of flash 9. is there anyone that can assist me? Intelikey has given me a source list and I have uncommented what I needed to and I am still getting error cannot find package.
[01:59] <intelikey> matthew_ i use a passwordless account :)  but nosuid  so root is a keyboard only thing.
[02:00] <Schuenemann> defiant: you ran sudo apt-get update ?
[02:00] <intelikey> draik actually no.   only my isp
[02:00] <defiant> schuenemann yes I have
[02:00] <matthew_> intelikey, huh?!?! password less account? what the f#*$ for?
[02:00] <Schuenemann> defiant: sudo apt-get install flahsplugin-nonfree
[02:00] <Schuenemann> oops sorry
[02:00] <Schuenemann> defiant: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:01] <defiant> I also ran that already schuenemann
[02:01] <intelikey> fowlduck yeah i got three ip's   two are for sure tor   but one may be legit  not sure.
[02:01] <Schuenemann> so, that's it
[02:01] <Schuenemann> was is installed?
[02:01] <defiant> no it was not.
[02:01] <Schuenemann> niot found?
[02:01] <defiant> it still tells me package not found
[02:01] <soulrider> has anyone here ever used GTKRadiant ?
[02:02] <fowlduck> intelikey: nice
[02:02] <intelikey> matthew_ why should i have to type a password ?    and there is no sinsitive data on this box anyway.
[02:02] <Schuenemann> defiant: are you sure you typed correctly? I typed wrong
[02:02] <aztek> how do i make the Kicker transparent
[02:03] <matthew_> intelikey, true, but it's still less secure...and what's wrong w/ a password?
[02:03] <defiant> schuenemann: I type it several times already. Once when you said what to type and once when intelikey told me what to type. I do not understand what I am doing wrong.
[02:03] <Schuenemann> defiant: apt-cache search flashplugin
[02:04] <Schuenemann> does this find anything?
[02:04] <defiant> no
[02:05] <Schuenemann> maybe the file he sent you was not ok?
[02:05] <defiant> that is always a possibility
[02:05] <matthew_> aztec, right-click on Kicker and select Configure
[02:05] <Schuenemann> does it have a line like: deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[02:05] <matthew_> aztek, You can find the option in there
[02:05] <Schuenemann> ?
[02:06] <Schuenemann> not commented
[02:06] <defiant> No
[02:06] <defiant> It says edgy
[02:06] <Schuenemann> you're using edgy right?
[02:06] <defiant> honestly I do not know
[02:06] <Schuenemann> kubuntu 6.10 ?
[02:06] <defiant> I just burned the disk and installed it
[02:07] <defiant> Yes
[02:07] <Schuenemann> that's edgy
[02:07] <defiant> Ok.
[02:08] <defiant> So in that case that line is there uncommented schuenemann
[02:08] <rOx-710> Hello
[02:08] <rOx-710> There Is Can Help Me ?
[02:08] <fowlduck> someone check on the package-name for him, sheesh
[02:09] <Schuenemann> !it Z fowlduck
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it Z fowlduck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <Schuenemann> !it | rOx-710
[02:09] <ubotu> rOx-710: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:09] <rOx-710> thx a lo
[02:09] <rOx-710> lot
[02:09] <rOx-710> :D
[02:09] <Schuenemann> defiant: and it should be like that... :-/
[02:10] <defiant> do u know of a reason why I would not be getting that update?
[02:10] <Schuenemann> what was the output to update?
[02:11] <defiant> Reading Package list... Done
[02:11] <Schuenemann> that's weird
[02:11] <defiant> should I put in the line that you said and see what happens?
[02:11] <Schuenemann> you told me you already have that line
[02:12] <defiant> i have that line but it says edgy. The one that you wrote has dapper. I do not know what the difference is. i am sorry. That is why I asked
[02:12] <Schuenemann> I'm using dapper, that's why it says dapper
[02:12] <defiant> Oh
[02:12] <Schuenemann> 6.06 = dapper, 6.10 = edgy
[02:12] <defiant> I understand
[02:13] <Schuenemann> does it say universe and multiverse too?
[02:13] <defiant> Can I paste it to you?
[02:13] <kai> wasup people
[02:13] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[02:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:13] <Schuenemann> paste there
[02:13] <Schuenemann> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[02:15] <defiant> I can not get it to copy and paste
[02:15] <Schuenemann> how come?
[02:15] <brandon_> is kubuntu and ubuntu debian?
[02:16] <matthew_> based on debian
[02:16] <Schuenemann> debian based
[02:16] <defiant> What do I do with this thing after I paste it in there?
[02:16] <Schuenemann> tell me the URL so I can see it
[02:16] <defiant> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39525/
[02:18] <Schuenemann> it's missing "restricted", but I don't know if that matters
[02:18] <kai> I installed frostwire but when i try to run it doenst do anything? whats wrong with my program?
[02:18] <Agent_bob> what's the command to recover a nickname ?
[02:19] <defiant> actually above that it says restricted
[02:19] <Schuenemann> but commented, right?
[02:19] <defiant> no
[02:19] <Schuenemann> which line?
[02:20] <defiant> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted univer$
[02:20] <defiant>  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted un$
[02:20] <defiant> why does that not display the whole thing
[02:21] <Schuenemann> what you pasted does not have that "us" before "archive"
[02:21] <veronica> !restrictedformats
[02:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:21] <hepme> i'm in kubuntu 6.10 and reading the documentation and it says to enable multiverse by clicking 'view->manage repositories' from adept, but i don't have that option in my adept for some reason. i only have 'view->review changes'. any idea?
[02:22] <defiant> are they all supposed to have the us before them?
[02:22] <soulrider> hepme: how did you open adept?
[02:22] <soulrider> did you use katapult or did you launch it from the tray icon ?
[02:22] <Schuenemann> no, but why the one you pasted here has us?
[02:22] <slougi> Schuenemann: defiant: the us just means to use mirrors from the USA
[02:22] <hepme> soulrider: from 'add/remove programs'
[02:23] <soulrider> hepme: press alt and space
[02:23] <soulrider> and type adept
[02:23] <hepme> didnt know it changes options depending on how you open it
[02:23] <soulrider> then press enter
[02:23] <soulrider> you should be able to do it there
[02:23] <hepme> haha that was rad
[02:23] <hepme> kde rocks
[02:23] <soulrider> i think what you opened is some sort of reduced version, thats why
[02:23] <Schuenemann> slougi: I know, but the text he pasted at pastebin doesn't have it, and the one he pasted here does, so it seems he pasted different texts
[02:23] <slougi> hepme: yeah it's a bit confusing, adept has something like 3 different modes
[02:23] <slougi> Schuenemann: ah
[02:24] <slougi> Schuenemann: right, sorry to butt in like that
[02:24] <hepme> kde is definitely a little more complex to figure out than gnome but certainly worth it so far
[02:24] <intelikey> now if the lag would go away.  :)
[02:24] <Schuenemann> defiant: is the "restricted" after a sharp?
[02:24] <defiant> yes
[02:24] <Schuenemann> so it's commented :p
[02:24] <slougi> hepme: yeah kde is a bit more complex, but it is also a lot more diverse and functional
[02:24] <Schuenemann> put the sharp after it and save
[02:24] <slougi> hepme: it's also been getting a lot easier to use over the years
[02:25] <intelikey> or just remove it altogather
[02:25] <intelikey> !botsnack
[02:25] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:25] <intelikey> hey i'm not lagging now.
[02:25] <intelikey> :)
[02:25] <Schuenemann> did you kill him?
[02:25] <slougi> lag sucks :P
[02:26] <defiant> Now I a getting duplicate entry errors Suenemann
[02:26] <intelikey> no he lives.
[02:26] <hepme> slougi:  cool, i just need to get it a little more stable, it was doing a couple things where i'd click on an app and suddenly my entire screen would go blank and i had to restart kdm. but i ran xserver-org and set some options that hopefully fixed it. however i enabled my mouse to use the scroll wheel and it now works however my screen refreshes WAY slower for some reason
[02:26] <Schuenemann> intelikey: what kind of bogus sources.list did you send to defiant? :p
[02:26] <defiant> LoL
[02:26] <intelikey> not bogus  just commented out restricted.
[02:27] <Schuenemann> he needs restricted for flash, right?
[02:27] <intelikey> i'll pastebin it.
[02:27] <intelikey> idk
[02:27] <Schuenemann> !restricted
[02:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:27] <intelikey> i don't do restricted  nor flash
[02:27] <Spiffyman> Grrrr. Firefox is very unstable for me.
[02:28] <Spiffyman> I just lost about 10 mins worth of edits on the DellInspiron9100 Wiki page. ><
[02:28] <hepme> Spiffyman which version
[02:28] <hepme> ff2.0 is very stable in osx and windows but not linux for some reason :(
[02:28] <defiant> intelikey, can I just copy and paste your whole sources list over mine and see what happens?
[02:28] <Spiffyman> Installed via Adept. Hang on. Lemme restart it.
[02:28] <intelikey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39527/plain/ <<<< Schuenemann
[02:29] <intelikey> some one is knocking at my door again.
[02:29] <Spiffyman> Looks like straight 2.0
[02:29] <defiant> schuenemann can I just paste that into my sources list?
[02:30] <Schuenemann> try it
[02:30] <Schuenemann> but uncommented where is says restricted
[02:30] <Schuenemann> just remove those sharps
[02:30] <Schuenemann> and remove that first line too
[02:30] <Spiffyman> hepme: Is there a more stable version, or should I revert to 1.5? I like my Zotero extension. ><
[02:30] <Schuenemann> I mean the sharps after restricted
[02:31] <pwn4tt4ck> is fowlduck or jontec here?
[02:31] <fowlduck> whattup yo
[02:31] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: whats up homie!!!
[02:32] <fowlduck> nada mucho, coding, u?
[02:32] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: Hanging out with my girlfriend, who thinks IRC is boring ( :-O! ) I'll be on later tonight, when my g/f leaves, will you be on, say, in 2 or 3 hours?
[02:33] <Schuenemann> defiant: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39528/plain/
[02:33] <Schuenemann> try this one, and I hope it works
[02:33] <ravencrow> hey everyone.  Question: I'm going to sell my computer, but want to fully format my drive.  What should I use to do that?
[02:34] <pwn4tt4ck> ravencrow: I was just burn the HDD and sell the comp without it
[02:34] <Schuenemann> burn? what a wast
[02:34] <Schuenemann> waste*
[02:34] <Schuenemann> give it to me
[02:34] <pwn4tt4ck> ravencrow: but your hdd doesnt have any sensative info on it? Nothing you want to get off?
[02:35] <pwn4tt4ck> ravencrow: if you just want to clear it, google "harddrive reformat"
[02:35] <pwn4tt4ck> in quotes, btw
[02:35] <pwn4tt4ck> Schuenemann: I would give it to you, but again, sensative info I dont want you having, hence I'd melt it down to nothing. or at least char it beyond recovery
[02:35] <pwn4tt4ck> bbl all
[02:36] <defiant> sschuenemannschuenemann it still did not get the flash
[02:36] <Schuenemann> defiant: did you save and run sudo apt-get updatE?
[02:36] <Schuenemann> update*
[02:36] <defiant> yes I did
[02:37] <ravencrow> Ok.  I was thinking of completely erasing it..as I did have some sensative billing info..but a regular format would probably do the trick
[02:37] <defiant> Fetched 1255B in 9s (138B/s)
[02:37] <Schuenemann> now you tried getting flash?
[02:37] <defiant> yes
[02:37] <defiant> and nothing
[02:38] <defiant> couldn't find package it says
[02:38] <Schuenemann> apt-cache search flashplugin doesn't find anything?
[02:38] <defiant> nope
[02:38] <Schuenemann> omg...
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> might need to add repos
[02:38] <Schuenemann> Admiral_Chicago: this is his sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39528/plain/
[02:39] <Spiffyman> Is there a more stable version of Firefox 2, or should I revert to 1.5? I'm open to other browsers that can use FF extensions.
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> did you do apt-get update ?
[02:39] <Schuenemann> he said so...
[02:39] <robotgeek> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=flashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names
[02:39] <robotgeek> err, flashplugin-nonfree
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Spiffyman: Flock uses extensions as does Konqueror
[02:40] <defiant> Yes I did Admiral_Chicago
[02:40] <aztek> good lord Kubuntu is turning into a dependency nightmare for installing stuff
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> defiant: hmm, you what does apt-cache search flash tell you
[02:40] <Schuenemann> is this the first time you use apt-get?
[02:40] <defiant> Admiral_Chicago, it just went back to the command prompt
[02:41] <robotgeek> it is in edgy-backports, so to speak
[02:41] <Schuenemann> but he has backports
[02:41] <dope> what's a good program for accessing a webcam on a remote computer?
[02:42] <Schuenemann> defiant: is this the first time you use apt-get?
[02:42] <defiant> Schuenemann: I have used it before but I am coming from a windows environmet. Although  I have ran everything that I have read and everything that you guys have told me to
[02:42] <aztek> i'm trying to compile something from source and after ./configure it pukes saying QT (>= Qt 3.2) headers and libraries not found. how do i install that
[02:43] <intelikey> kde is krazy.  it runs the first time wizard every time i start it.
[02:43] <Schuenemann> did you run apt-get upgrade some time?
[02:43] <robotgeek> !comiple > aztek
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about comiple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <defiant> No I have not
[02:43] <robotgeek> !compile > aztek
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !compile > aztek
[02:43] <robotgeek> double attack!
[02:43] <Schuenemann> Admiral_Chicago: is upgrade required before all that?
[02:44] <intelikey> qt-dev ?
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Schuenemann: before what?
[02:44] <Schuenemann> before installing things
[02:44] <Schuenemann> he's using apt-get for the first time
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> upgrade will "install the newest version of all packages" from sources.list
[02:45] <intelikey> libqt4-dev ?
[02:45] <Spiffyman> Does Konqueror use FF extensions?
[02:45] <Schuenemann> Admiral_Chicago: would he find flashplugin without upgrade, anyway?
[02:45] <intelikey> Spiffyman mozilla extentions are default in konq yes
[02:45] <defiant> should I do apt-get upgrade?
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> defiant: couldn't hurt
[02:46] <Spiffyman> Thanks, intelikey. I'm sharing my profile data between the Windows installation of FF and the Kubuntu one. If I use Konqueror, should that pose any problem?
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> are you sure your sources is in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:46] <defiant> 0 across the board
[02:46] <defiant> aye aye
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> what do you mean 0?
[02:47] <intelikey> Spiffyman i'm not sure how that will translate.... Admiral_Chicago  might
[02:47] <defiant> Zero upgraded, installed, removed
[02:47] <hepme> hrm, i enabled multiverse and universe from adept but i still dont have 'libxine-extracodecs' showing up. any ideas?
[02:47] <Schuenemann> this can't be right
[02:47] <intelikey> !libxine-extracodecs
[02:47] <defiant> Does it matter that i am running this as root Admiral_Chicago
[02:47] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Spiffyman: your Konqueror profile will use a seperate profile than your FX one, just install the .jar in Konqueror.
[02:48] <intelikey> hepme you applied the change ?
[02:48] <ravencrow> how does one format a floppy as FAT on kubuntu?
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> defiant: you should be typing sudo apt-get update. what do you mean root (is root sudo)?
[02:48] <hepme> i clicked 'apply' and 'close' and reopened adept to make sure it refreshed my chagnes
[02:48] <defiant> I was not typing sudo in front
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> hepme: open up konsole and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:49] <intelikey> sudo is not needed if you are root.
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> defiant: try sudo anyways. couldn't hurt
[02:49] <defiant> I just did and nothing
[02:50] <defiant> You saw my source list and it is ok?
[02:50] <intelikey> well actually it could hurt if for what ever reason root was not allowed to sudo...  but that's another horn of oil
[02:50] <Schuenemann> defiant: is that file /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:50] <defiant> yes it is
[02:51] <Schuenemann> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39528/plain/
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> it looks okay so far, let me check one more thing
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> AH!
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it matters that there is no country code
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> defiant: what country are you in?
[02:52] <defiant> US
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> !easysource > Admiral_Chicago
[02:53] <intelikey> shouldn't ..  i never use one.
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> defiant: give me a sec
[02:53] <defiant> Ok
[02:53] <Spiffyman> I'm sorry, Admiral_Chicago. What .jar?
[02:53] <Spiffyman> ...
[02:53] <Spiffyman> Dammit.
[02:54] <DefiantRican> Sorry
[02:54] <intelikey> actually this is mine.    cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:54] <Spiffyman> I'm sorry, Admiral_Chicago. What .jar?
[02:54] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main universe multiverse
[02:54] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main universe multiverse
[02:54] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe multiverse
[02:54] <HymnToLife> !pastebin | intelikey
[02:54] <ubotu> intelikey: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:54] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: link back to sources?
[02:55] <intelikey> !thanks | HymnToLife
[02:55] <ubotu> HymnToLife: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Spiffyman: the .jar that is a FX extension
[02:55] <hepme> Admiral_Chicago: that worked and for some reason after i did that libxine-extracodecs now shows up in adept, is it because of the apt-get update line?
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago> hepme: probably
[02:55] <hepme> wonder why my adept didnt update after i clicked 'apply'
[02:55] <Spiffyman> Ah, okay.
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago> did you do "full upgrade"
[02:55] <hepme> no
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> that might be it
[02:56] <hepme> dist-upgade, what does that do anyway?
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: do you think architecture has anything to do with it
[02:56] <HymnToLife> hepme, upgrade all packages to latest version
[02:56] <HymnToLife> just like upgrade but handles dependencies differently
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> upgraded your packages. "update" just gets a list
[02:56] <hepme> should i always run  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade before i run apt-get install?
[02:57] <HymnToLife> hepme, not necessarily
[02:57] <HymnToLife> it can't hurt though
[02:57] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago ?   his k8 ?
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> hepme: not really
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> but it wouldn't hurt
[02:57] <umalone> Yay! I can now read and write to my external USB hdd  with ntfs file system. :)
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: no then it wouldn't...
[02:58] <Admiral_Chicago> oh well i think he left unfortunetly. well i'm going to drum up some dinner
[02:58] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[02:58] <intelikey> i don't think so.    never saw that throw a apt fit before....
[02:59] <hepme> any idea why my refresh rate on my screen is so slow after i ran xserver-org? the only options i really cahnged was i turned kernel frame buffering on and i changed my mouse settings to how i had them in gnome to enable my scroll wheel
[02:59] <hepme> when i scroll up pages it's really slow and jerky
[02:59] <intelikey>  frame buffering on  <<<<
[03:00] <hepme> i had to turn frame buffering on in gnome to get my videos to play right, but i guess it's different in kde. i'll try turning it back off
[03:00] <intelikey> you don't want that.  you want the xorg driver for your hardware  unless you intend to do graphical things in the console.
[03:01] <intelikey> sounds like you played the vidios in full screen with fb-con   i personally like that but it is hard on X
[03:02] <intelikey> oooops fire!
[03:02] <intelikey> bbl
[03:03] <hepme> k thx
[03:05] <hepme> when i run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  it says 'vesa' for  'x server driver', should i put it to 'ati' ?  i have a pci ati radeon 9000 video card (it doesn't support flgrx though, so it's still vesa/mesa or whatever)
[03:05] <harrisony1> !ati | hepme
[03:05] <ubotu> hepme: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:06] <harrisony1> that may help
[03:06] <hepme> thanks
[03:06] <dope> can someone explain symbolic links
[03:07] <HymnToLife> dope, to put it shortly, a symlink is like a "shotrcut" in windows
[03:07] <hepme> yeah, that thing is for the ati 'fglrx' driver, i tried that last time and it screwed everything up :(
[03:07] <dope> like say i have a picture in my home folder and i want to have it in my webserver htdocs folder too. would i use a symbolic link?
[03:07] <hepme> i think i have to use generic vesa for my ati card to work
[03:08] <hepme> mines just a 64mb ati radeon 9000, not a fancy 3D accelerated one
[03:08] <HymnToLife> dope, yep
[03:09] <seconde> anyone know how to get a chatroom working on kubuntu because I'm bored and I fancy winding people up
[03:10] <harrisony1> seconde: chat room as in...
[03:10] <HymnToLife> seconde, you mean runing an IRC server ?
[03:10] <dope> so how do i set that up?
[03:10] <dope> cause the picture is gonna be changing, same filename but different file
[03:11] <seconde> well...my girlfriend and I are bored and we fancy messing about on a chatroom, but Mozilla needs Java
[03:11] <seconde> which isn't installed
[03:11] <seconde> and I am FAR too much of a muppet to install it
[03:11] <HymnToLife> dope, ln -s /path/to/sourcefile.foo /path/to/dir/you/want/symlink/to/be/in
[03:11] <harrisony1> seconde: try /j #randomname
[03:11] <dope> so it's source and then destination?
[03:11] <dope> ok
[03:11] <seconde> I've been looking for easy Debian install packages but I can't find any
[03:11] <harrisony1> and then get her in there as well
[03:11] <dope> and it'll put a copy in the destination?
[03:11] <HymnToLife> you can specify a filename for the symlink if you want it different from the source file's
[03:11] <seconde> I have no idea how to compile a source package
[03:12] <dope> how would i delete it?
[03:12] <HymnToLife> rm, just like any other file
[03:12] <dope> can i just open up konqueror and delete the file?
[03:12] <dope> ok thx
[03:12] <dope> gonna test it
[03:12] <HymnToLife> !compiling | seconde
[03:12] <ubotu> seconde: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:12] <harrisony1> seconde: you dont need to get her to learn irc and then just get both to join a random channel
[03:15] <dope> so i can't open the symbolic link file?
[03:15] <dope> cause nothing happens when i click on it
[03:15] <seconde> is there any way to get a debian package installer other than compiling the source for Java?
[03:16] <HymnToLife> !java
[03:16] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:16] <dope> seconde: you could try using automatix2
[03:16] <HymnToLife> !automatix
[03:16] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:16] <Schuenemann> !amv
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <dope> pretty sure automatix has java in it
[03:16] <Schuenemann> does anybody know a program to convert from avi/mpeg to AMV?
[03:17] <seconde> I'll try these, cheers people
[03:17] <HymnToLife> Schuenemann, what's AMV ?
[03:17] <HymnToLife> to me it means only Anime Music Video :p
[03:17] <Schuenemann> it's the video format used by ipod-like mp4 players
[03:17] <dope> HymnToLife: so if i have a webpage that uses the symbolicly linked file as the source for like an image will it show the image?
[03:18] <umalone> I installed sun-java5-jre to get java support on my new kubuntu system
[03:18] <HymnToLife> dope, yes, if file permissions allow it
[03:18] <dope> ok cool
[03:25] <dope> i don't think i have the proper permissions
[03:27] <dope> how do i fix that
[03:28] <dope> what's the difference between a hard link and a symbolic one?
[03:30] <HymnToLife> dope, hardlink is two names for the same file, symlink is a file redirecting to another
[03:30] <dope> ah
[03:30] <HymnToLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink
[03:30] <umalone> For file permissions, chmod is your friend
[03:31] <dope> chmod 775 file.jpg
[03:31] <dope> ?
[03:31] <dope> is that right
[03:31] <HymnToLife> yes
[03:31] <dope> ok cool thx
[03:31] <umalone> man chmod for finding out the syntax
[03:31] <hiall123456> i have problem when starting amarok says an error: "Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP.  kbuildsycoca running...   KSycoca: Error: No database available!"  any clues on how to fix this? (this prevents Amarok from starting up)
[03:33] <Schuenemann> so, every file has at least one hard link
[03:34] <dope> damn, this isn't working
[03:34] <dope> when i have konqueror do the link it works fine
[03:34] <ughh> is there command to show my desktop by minimizing all open windows?
[03:34] <smax> hi guys
[03:34] <Schuenemann> ctrl + alt + d
[03:35] <HymnToLife> !hi [ smax
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi [ smax - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <HymnToLife> !hi | smax
[03:35] <ubotu> smax: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:35] <ughh> cool
[03:35] <smax> i installed build-essential yet i still cant bring up the man pages for bind() and strtok()  which are C programming sys calls
[03:35] <HymnToLife> smax, second time, manpages are not C handbooks
[03:35] <hiall123456> i have problem when starting amarok says an error: "Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP.  kbuildsycoca running...   KSycoca: Error: No database available!"  any clues on how to fix this? (this prevents Amarok from starting up)
[03:35] <ughh> Schuenemann:  do you know what the keyboard command to open up k-menu is? (i need to map it to my windows key too)
[03:36] <Schuenemann> alt f1
[03:36] <ughh> thanks
[03:36] <smax> i didnt say they were hand books
[03:36] <smax> i know C
[03:36] <smax> i need the man pages
[03:36] <Schuenemann> ughh: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552768
[03:36] <smax> why would a OS written in C not provide man pages. sheesh
[03:37] <intelikey> smax what man pages ?
[03:37] <ytoox> hi, has any of you installed milkesque for baghira style?
[03:38] <intelikey> smax tldp.org  ?
[03:39] <ughh> i like how all the kde commands start with a K, makes me not want to install firefox and gaim to break the consistency :p
[03:39] <dope> chmod wasn't really working i don't think.  there's a little lock on the file :/
[03:40] <dope> i don't think this symbolic link stuff is working.  it created a file but the file doesn't really do anything
[03:40] <hiall123456> happy hollidays
[03:41] <dope> any ideas?
[03:42] <flaccid9951> dope whats the error
[03:42] <intelikey> dope the file that is a symlink is link having a copy of the file in another location or under another name    what are you trying to do ?
[03:42] <intelikey> link/like ^
[03:43] <GeroG> hi! can anyone tell me why i don't have any /dev/hda*? i'm pretty new with linux...
[03:44] <flaccid> GeroG have a look at sudo fdisk -l
[03:44] <intelikey> GeroG cause no device was detected there ?
[03:44] <morvok> GeroG: depending on your internal devices they will register as /dev/sda*
[03:45] <GeroG> there is no sda, too
[03:45] <morvok> scsi, sata drives and so on.
[03:45] <smax> how do i get manpages for C library calls
[03:45] <Lam_> is there a way to run a _find_ inside konqueror? i want to "find" certain .jpg files under a particular directory tree in order to see they're named correctly
[03:45] <smax> and system calls
[03:45] <intelikey> udev only makes the device nodes for what it detects.
[03:45] <Theory> Lam_: you can use the locate: kioslave
[03:45] <intelikey> smax check tldp.org ?
[03:45] <Lam_> Theory: i'll give that a try. thanks
[03:46] <intelikey> Lam_ and yes you can activate the terminal emulator function of knoq and type in there also.
[03:46] <ughh> smax they didnt install when you installed 'build-essential' package for gcc and stuff?
[03:46] <Lam_> intelikey: how do i go about doing that?
[03:47] <smax> ughh nope
[03:48] <GeroG> flaccid: fdisk says cannot open /proc/partitions
[03:48] <Lam_> intelikey: nvm found it.
[03:49] <flaccid> GeroG interesting. i don't know what it could be but googling the error might help
[03:49] <intelikey> Lam_ where did you find it ?  cause now i'm not seeing it     lol
[03:49] <Lam_> intelikey: lol. tools menu. ctrl+e
[03:49] <intelikey> i know it used to be there.....
[03:50] <intelikey> k
[03:50] <intelikey> Lam_ no that's not what i meant.
[03:50] <GeroG> flaccid: i'm running the liveCD at the moment, cause i cannot boot by linux. i mounted my kubuntu-partition and made chroot. could that cause the problem?
[03:51] <intelikey> there used to be this little bottom window that was a terminal that was synced to the other windows.
[03:51] <Lam_> oh neat. i'll see if i can find it
[03:51] <intelikey> it seems to be removed in this konqueror version.
[03:51] <ughh> smax it seems to be  apt-cache search manpages-dev
[03:51] <intelikey> that was one of the things i did like about konq.... now it's gone !
[03:52] <HymnToLife> that's one of the thing I don't like about Kubuntu
[03:52] <HymnToLife> the stripped-down KDE
[03:52] <morvok> anybody remember what band did the song "snacks"?
[03:52] <HymnToLife> !offtopic | morvok
[03:52] <ubotu> morvok: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:52] <Lam_> locate: seems to be a little flimsy since it locates files matching the criteria within the entire root tree. i'm just trying to run it under a particular directory tree
[03:53] <BluesKaj> bummer , trying to get direct rendering back .. "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". ...How do I fix that ?
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of a util which can convert an image to SVG (vector)? It's a simple black and white text.
[03:54] <BluesKaj> "Error: couldn't get an RGBA, Double-buffered visual"
[03:54] <ughh> smax 'manpages-dev' that is
[03:55] <dope> ok i'm back
[03:56] <dope> still having the symlink problem
[03:56] <HymnToLife> dope, what is the exact command you run ?
[03:57] <slougi> LeeJunFan: you can kind of do that with inkscape
[03:57] <slougi> LeeJunFan: can't remember how exactly, but the workflow was something like import bitmap -> trace outlines -> save
[03:57] <dope> i type ln -s file.jpg ~/Desktop/
[03:58] <dope> and it creates a file named file.jpg on the desktop but it has a lock
[03:59] <dope> now if i use konqueror and drag the file to the desktop and select the link here option it doesn't have that lock
[03:59] <HymnToLife> type the full path of your source file
[03:59] <intelikey> Lam_ the terminal emulator is still there but the menu listing seems to have been removed.  i used  konqueror > menu > settings > configure shortcuts       scroll down about half way and find    show terminal emulator   and assign a shortcut key combo   :)
[03:59] <dope> wow that worked
[03:59] <dope> wtfizzle
[04:00] <dope> thx
[04:00] <Lam_> intelikey: wow that is hidden deep. i'll give that a try, thanks
[04:00] <wizard_> i've got a folder that i need two users to have read-write acces to
[04:00] <wizard_> how should it be chowned and chmodded?
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> slougi: thanks, I was using inkscape and tracing the layer below :)
[04:00] <slougi> LeeJunFan: no problem :)
[04:01] <HymnToLife> wizard_, create group foo with those two users in
[04:01] <HymnToLife> chown to root:foo, chmod to 775
[04:01] <wizard_> HymnToLife: they're in the same group, still only one can write to it
[04:01] <wizard_> oh okay
[04:01] <HymnToLife> wizard_, it will be writable for all users in group foo
[04:02] <dope> sweet it works, thx HymnToLife
[04:02] <Lam_> intelikey: even with the terminal emulator, there's no way to print the result (in this case, display the .jpg files that _find_ outputs) into the main konqueror display?
[04:02] <HymnToLife> so you'll need to create anew one if you want it to be writable _only_ by those two users
[04:02] <intelikey> Lam_ sure you can highlight point at the location bar and middle click
[04:02] <wizard_> HymnToLife: its a htdocs folder so i am trying to be careful aboutchanging system-wide files
[04:04] <wizard_> HymnToLife: on the particular system, only users withssh access get access to group users
[04:04] <wizard_> HymnToLife: all other users created go to specific groups
[04:04] <wizard_> HymnToLife: say samba-usr
[04:04] <wizard_> ftp-usr
[04:04] <Lam_> intelikey: err maybe you misunderstand lol. i want to display all of the jpgs that _find_ successfully finds into the main konq screen, similar to how it was as if i did locate:somejpgfile.jpg and it found all instances of that jpg file
[04:05] <pwn4tt4ck> what is samba?
[04:05] <wizard_> pwn4tt4ck: samba allows linux to access and create windows shares
[04:05] <rcrook> samba is a package to allow windows machine to mount shares from linux
[04:05] <wizard_> it can also act as a nt4 primary domain controller for windows
[04:05] <Lam_> !samba
[04:05] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:05] <intelikey> Lam_ oh multi.  yeah i did mis-read on that.
[04:05] <HymnToLife> wizard_, there's no way you can make a dir  read/writable by two users _only_ without creating a group tor them
[04:06] <Lam_> intelikey: ok just checking. thanks for the help :)  i didn't know there was a terminal emulator
[04:06] <pwn4tt4ck> does samba do the functions of WinE as well?
[04:06] <matthew_> intelikey, still getting "hacked"?
[04:06] <wizard_> HymnToLife: they are in group users
[04:06] <slougi> pwn4tt4ck: no
[04:06] <HymnToLife> note the _only_ :)
[04:06] <HymnToLife> if you chown root:users & chmod 755
[04:07] <pwn4tt4ck> slougi: thanks
[04:07] <HymnToLife> al user n group will have write access
[04:07] <HymnToLife> 775*
[04:07] <intelikey> matthew_ no  not now.
[04:07] <wizard_> HymnToLife: these two users are teh only two users who are part of the group users
[04:07] <wizard_> *wipes brow*
[04:07] <wizard_> HymnToLife: every other use has a specific group assigned to them and users is NOT a subgroup
[04:07] <HymnToLife> then here you go
[04:07] <HymnToLife> chown to root:user, chmod to 775
[04:08] <matthew_> brilliant...I hate it when kids try stuff like that...you know? I mean, c'mon, you're on dialup for crying out loud...what does he hope to accomplish? lol.
[04:08] <wizard_> HymnToLife: kk, and i can do that to the folders without editing files, correct?
[04:08] <HymnToLife> use the -R switch
[04:08] <wizard_> that changes ownership of all the files in the folder
[04:08] <HymnToLife> to also change perms and ownership of all fles in the dir
[04:08] <wizard_> i don't want to change the perms of files
[04:08] <matthew_> intelikey, I believe there are novelty sites online that will tell you where you are based on your IP address...try typing in his...
[04:08] <HymnToLife> (and also subdirs, if any)
[04:08] <HymnToLife> then don't use it :)
[04:09] <wizard_> HymnToLife: im trying to cheat changing the folder perms without the file ones being touched lol
[04:09] <intelikey> matthew_ ah, like a dog chasing a car.  it's not the catch.  it's the chase.
[04:09] <intelikey> matthew_ heh whois
[04:09] <HymnToLife> wizard_, no cheating, it's normal behavior
[04:09] <intelikey> !whois
[04:09] <ubotu> whois: the GNU whois client. In component main, is optional. Version 4.7.14 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 272 kB
[04:09] <HymnToLife> you add the -R switch to also change the files
[04:10] <intelikey> matthew_  apt-get install whois ; whois <ip>
[04:11] <matthew_> intelikey, did you get his name? probably not....
[04:11] <Yoshitsune> anyone know the CLI command to find the /dev/xxx of a zip drive connected to a parallel port?
[04:11] <matthew_> what was his IP? just want to check it out...
[04:11] <matthew_> intelikey, ^^^
[04:12] <intelikey> matthew_ only thing is that i'm not sure it's the right ip so i'm not advertizing it.
[04:12] <matthew_> okey doke....
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> slougi: for future reference xara works much better at the tracing.
[04:12] <intelikey> i'll get him.       i think he's a normal lurker in this channel as well
[04:13] <slougi> LeeJunFan: right, i've been meaning to look into that for a while now
[04:13] <matthew_> very cool, I didn't know so much info was available...just did google...lol
[04:13] <slougi> LeeJunFan: any idea if it is gpl yet?
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> I don't know about that.
[04:13] <slougi> right, thanks for the info anyway
[04:14] <matthew_> intelikey, that bastard...
[04:14] <intelikey> lol   na
[04:14] <intelikey> let bless and curse not.
[04:14] <intelikey> carma as they say...
[04:14] <matthew_> idk...I'd be pretty pissed if someone was bogging down my connection crap...
[04:14] <matthew_> karma? lol
[04:15] <wizard_> intelikey: it wasn't me :-\
[04:15] <wizard_> intelikey: so stop giving me that look
[04:15] <intelikey> lol wizard_ i know it wasn't you.  :)
[04:15] <wizard_> intelikey: phew... :-)
[04:19] <intelikey> besides i kinda invited the first attempt.    and he seems to think that means it's a standing offer.     but after all, i did say something to the affect of 'if you think you can, just root this thing'    so  i guess he thought he could.
[04:19] <matthew_> intelikey, oh, now it makes sense...
[04:19] <matthew_> lol, too bad there's no root...
[04:19] <wizard_> intelikey: lol.. did he get it?
[04:19] <intelikey> wizard_ no.
[04:19] <intelikey> matthew_ there is root.
[04:20] <wizard_> intelikey: then who cares change the port and see what he does thereafter lol
[04:20] <intelikey> on every linux system there is root.
[04:20] <matthew_> intelikey, yeah, but for default on ubuntu, there is no root user...just sudo...
[04:20] <HymnToLife> matthew_, yes there is !
[04:20] <wizard_> matthew_: the default user = root pseudo-essentially.
[04:20] <wizard_> however, the default user must use sudo
[04:20] <intelikey> matthew_ <BZZZ> wrong answer
[04:20] <matthew_> intelikey, I agree w/ wizard... about the port thing...
[04:21] <HymnToLife> do less /etc/passwd if you don't believe us
[04:21] <matthew_> huh, I didn't know that...
[04:21] <matthew_> HymnToLife, I'll take all your guys' word for it!
[04:21] <matthew_> learn something new every day!
[04:22] <wizard_> matthew_: yeah the first user created could technically constitute as having root access via sudo... gain access to the first user made (assuming the default configuration remained) and a person looking to cause damage can do a great deal with that user
[04:22] <intelikey> wizard_ and matthew_ the root user is the same on ever linux os   the fact that ubuntu also uses a root jr. account makes no differance to that fact.
[04:22] <angasule> ubuntu doesn't give root a password, so that one can't log in as root, but that's all, 0 is still root's uid
[04:22] <matthew_> intelikey, ok, that root jr. thing makes sense to me.
[04:22] <angasule> wizard_: actually, you need the password of the user, otherwise you can't use sudo
[04:22] <intelikey> but on this box there is no root jr.   no sudo  no su
[04:23] <intelikey> matthew_ your box has root and root jr.
[04:23] <matthew_> angasule, oh, that makes sense...that's what I meant in the first place, that because you can't login as root, no damage...unless he guesses your password...
[04:23] <pwn4tt4ck> woah, angasule, is that why I cant log in as root? because there is no pass?
[04:23] <wizard_> intelikey: assuming root access is disabled
[04:23] <wizard_> intelikey: and assuming you use different passwords for default user and root
[04:23] <wizard_> you're fine
[04:23] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: if you're on ubuntu, yes, that's why
[04:24] <pwn4tt4ck> I came from using another version of linux, and I always made changes as root and when I switched to ubuntu I was worried as to why I couldn't log in as root
 intelikey: assuming root access is disabled <<<< you mean that the password is locked.    access to root is never disabled really.  init uses the root account regularly
[04:24] <angasule> you shouldn't be using root too much, anyway
[04:24] <pwn4tt4ck> angasule: so the default user, that being the first you make, is essentially the root user?
[04:24] <HymnToLife> pwn4tt4ck, you should never ever login as root
[04:24] <HymnToLife> just use su whan needed
[04:24] <wizard_> intelikey: i was talking about ssh and ftp
[04:24] <angasule> no, pwn4tt4ck, the default user has permission to use sudo, that's all
[04:24] <HymnToLife> when*
[04:24] <pwn4tt4ck> angasule: what is sude?
[04:24] <pwn4tt4ck> sudo*
[04:24] <wizard_> intelikey: assuming ssh has root disabled, they wont be able to access it thru ssh upon login, only after first gaining access
[04:24] <HymnToLife> !sudo
[04:24] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:25] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: you can add aditional users to the sudo group, as well
[04:25] <pwn4tt4ck> oh neat
[04:25] <intelikey> wizard_ oh yes never allow remote root access unless it's a server and a must have.
[04:25] <wizard_> intelikey: my policy is you get to root only after getting to user
[04:25] <wizard_> intelikey: get in, then su
[04:25] <pwn4tt4ck> angasule: so the users in the sudo group are the ones that can install things and make system changes?
[04:25] <angasule> wizard_: yeah, same here
[04:25] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: yes
[04:25] <wizard_> intelikey: so even if someone DOES attack you, and gets a basic user account to access
[04:25] <intelikey> wizard_ but on this box you can not get to root from user
[04:25] <HymnToLife> pwn4tt4ck, by default, yes
[04:25] <wizard_> intelikey: what damage cna they *really*cause
[04:26] <HymnToLife> though the group is calles "admin"
[04:26] <HymnToLife> called*
[04:26] <wizard_> intelikey: then let the poor loser attack away
[04:26] <wizard_> intelikey: then buy him tampons after he fails
[04:26] <intelikey> i have been :)
[04:26] <pwn4tt4ck> angasule: can users not in the sudo group install programs?
[04:26] <wizard_> intelikey: i learned my lesson about having root access on my server once lol
[04:26] <wizard_> via ssh
[04:26] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: only to their home directories, not to the system
[04:27] <pwn4tt4ck> angasule: I dont know if it can be done, but I want to limit my brother's internet browsing. Can I just set his konqueror on his username only so that he cant view 'adult content'?
[04:27] <smax> hi
[04:28] <wizard_> intelikey: what is he doing? script kiddie attacks?
[04:28] <smax> what are the keystrokes to navigate between workspaces
[04:28] <smax> the pager rather
[04:28] <pwn4tt4ck> I ask specifically only effects him because there are a lot of things I want to block him out of
[04:28] <wizard_> intelikey: ddos? bruteforce?
[04:28] <intelikey> wizard_ what a lot of folks don't seem to grasp when i tell them that there is no  suid here is that only a root console session started by init   can do anything  adminestrative.
[04:28] <intelikey> wizard_   bruteforce  yeah
[04:28] <pwn4tt4ck> can someone explain ddos attacks to me? Is it just when you overflood the server with packets until it shuts down?
[04:29] <wizard_> intelikey: lol brute force should be an executable legal offense
[04:29] <wizard_> hang brute forcers until their feet quit kickin'
[04:29] <pwn4tt4ck> lol
[04:29] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: well, I've never had to do that, there might be a guide somewhere to do it, just make sure your brother's account doesn't have sudo access (or else he'll be able to change the system and do as he wants)
[04:29] <smax> what are the keystrokes to navigate between workspaces
[04:29] <pwn4tt4ck> angasule: thank you
[04:30] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: a DoS is a denial of service, so yes, just flooding someone is a DoS, DDoS is a distributed DoS, which means many computers flood the target, so that it's harder to block the attack
[04:30] <pwn4tt4ck> oh ok
[04:31] <intelikey> angasule sudo can be setup so that they can only do very specific things as root.    i.e.   mount and umount      or start / restart a network connection...
[04:32] <angasule> intelikey: ah, I never checked how to do fine grained control, I only admin the family computer and my own so I have had no need
[04:32] <intelikey> if ubuntu would properly setup the sudoers file it would be very secure.  but the way it is now it's just root jr.
[04:32] <wizard_> microsux also claims to have the original patent to sudo
[04:33] <pwn4tt4ck> microsh_t claims a lot of stuff, wizard_
[04:33] <pwn4tt4ck> They also claim to be the most secure OS out there :\
[04:34] <wizard_> windows is the most secure...
[04:34] <wizard_> as long as it never goes online
[04:34] <wizard_> ;-)
[04:34] <intelikey> angasule no need ?   hmmm.  well on the family box  you could setup sudo for the other user to be able to do the most common sudo tasks but have a very secure passwd on the root jr. account.   that would improve security by a magnatude
[04:35] <soulrider> wizard_: i cant believe how they claim parts of the kernel were stolen from htem
[04:35] <intelikey> wizard_ hmmm how is windows more secure if not on line than linux when not on line ?
[04:35] <soulrider> theya re so desperate not to loose customers
[04:35] <wizard_> intelikey: lol
[04:35] <wizard_> intelikey: who said take linux offline?
[04:35] <wizard_> linux belongs online
[04:35] <wizard_> windows doesn't
[04:36] <intelikey> same guy that said use windows
[04:36] <intelikey> ?
[04:36] <intelikey> :)
[04:36] <soulrider> im tyring to convert a couple of my classmates to linux
[04:36] <soulrider> ia ctually managed to get one
[04:36] <smax> 
[04:36] <angasule> intelikey: what common sudo tasks? they have never needed sudo so far
[04:37] <soulrider> but, the liveCD i gave hi was scratched and wouldnt install
[04:37] <soulrider> so i hope he doesnt decide to go back to windows before i give him a new CD
[04:37] <intelikey> angasule what have you had to do as admin ?
[04:37] <intelikey> those things.
[04:37] <smax> logout
[04:38] <soulrider> i wish there was better documentation and help for newbie sin spanish
[04:39] <intelikey> soulrider i don't think i have ever "tried" to get someone to use linux.   but just the statement "what's a computer virus?"   sure does get their attention.
[04:39] <angasule> intelikey: update the system and install apps, only I do that, and I never use that computer unless asked to perform those tasks, the password is a combination of uppercase, lowercase, numbers and symbols, as all my other passwords
[04:39] <angasule> soulrider: where are you from? or what dialect of spanish do you speak?
[04:39] <soulrider> angasule: im from Uruguay, no dialect
[04:40] <pwn4tt4ck> wizard_: windows is the most secure so long as there are no plugs running from the machine at all, no cables, its off, and its in the middle of a concrete room with no entrance or exit. Then it is the most secure
[04:40] <soulrider> lol pwn4tt4ck
[04:40] <angasule> soulrider: of course it's a dialect :) I'm from Bahia Blanca, Argentina :)
[04:40] <intelikey> just being a combo means little.  how big of a combo makes worlds of differance.    admin account on the box i built for my mother is 65 char passwd
[04:40] <soulrider> :O
[04:41] <angasule> pwn4tt4ck: and remove all removable storage drives, too, just in case ;)
[04:41] <intelikey> this box doesn't have any access to the admin acount.
[04:41] <pwn4tt4ck> you know what, angasule, just leave it in the damn box lol
[04:41] <pwn4tt4ck> and toss it in the ocean
[04:42] <angasule> intelikey: well, that computer is off most of the time and it's behind a hardware router that forwards no ports to it, so it's safe enough for a family computer, I'd say :)
[04:42] <wizard_> pwn4tt4ck: i wasn't being serious
[04:42] <intelikey> pwn4tt4ck ^^ again i ask why would windows be any more secure in that mistical environment than linux would ?
[04:42] <wizard_> the only windows box i own is named Wintendo
[04:42] <wizard_> pwn4tt4ck: so what do you think i use it for
[04:43] <soulrider> lol wizard_
[04:43] <intelikey> angasule i'd agree.
[04:43] <pwn4tt4ck> wizard_ I know. I was joking about all of that, because truthfully no system is safe
[04:43] <pwn4tt4ck> bbs
[04:43] <wizard_> in the fair justification if windows
[04:43] <wizard_> they've never said
[04:43] <wizard_> "safest OS ever"
[04:43] <Vuen_> hey guys, i have kaddressbook installed, why isn't it in my K menu? am i supposed to run it from inside some larger application?
[04:43] <wizard_> they've advertised
[04:44] <wizard_> "safest windows version yet!"
[04:44] <wizard_> or "safest windows yet!"
[04:44] <rcrook> does anyone know how to set the yahoo preferences in kopete? things like ban list etc?
[04:47] <dope> if i have an away msg up in kopete and i'm talking to someone how do i have it not spam the person periodically with my away msg?
[04:47] <intelikey> Vuen_ idk.  i have a menu entry in  kmenu > debian > apps > viewers > kaddressbook.
[04:48] <intelikey> set it to not announce away
[04:49] <intelikey> Vuen_ sorry its     kmenu > debian > apps > tools > kaddressbook.
[04:49] <dope> where's that
[04:49] <intelikey> dope idk i saw kopete one time.
[04:49] <dope> :/
[04:49] <intelikey> didn't like it
[04:49] <intelikey> kinda like i did amarok
[04:50] <intelikey> saw it one time
[04:50] <intelikey> saw xmms a couple of times   don't like it either.
[04:51] <draik> Hello everyone
[04:52] <intelikey> shalom
[04:52] <draik> I am attempting to get my GRUB back from wherever it's gone
[04:52] <draik> I am following an online instruction that I found regarding doing the install again, but this time, DON'T FORMAT THE DRIVE
[04:53] <draik> but for some strange reason, it's giving me the partition as logical
[04:53] <draik> I set hda6 as "/" and it says that I have to set a partition as "/" before I can continue
[04:53] <draik> any ideas?
[04:54] <intelikey> root /dev/hda6
[04:54] <intelikey> ?
[04:54] <draik> ?
[04:54] <draik> ???
[04:55] <intelikey> is that from the grub prompt ?
[04:55] <draik> I'm on the live cd trying to run the install again, but I cannot
[04:55] <draik> cannot continue.
[04:56] <draik> I am manually setting up the partitions
[04:56] <draik> well, not setting them up. They have already been setup before
[04:56] <draik> I am doing the whole process except for the formatting
[04:57] <draik> I place hda6 as my root "/" and I get this error message...
[04:57] <draik> No root file system
[04:57] <intelikey> oh you are talking about the installer on the live CD   i wouldn't use the installer.       maybe mount your install partition and chroot in run grub-install /dev/hda6  or (0,5)   or what ever grub uses  ?
[04:58] <draik> I have attempted that and also using the SGD
[04:58] <draik> nothing
[04:58] <draik> would you know how to use grub?
[04:58] <intelikey> i absolutely HATE passionately the live CD installer.
[04:58] <draik> I'm just about getting to that point
[04:59] <Vuen_> intelikey: i don't have the debian menu in my k menu. in fact i don't really want the debian menu in my k menu.
[04:59] <intelikey> draik actually i did a very little playing with it when i had some partitions   but i don't know much at all about grub.
[04:59] <Vuen_> is this just ubuntu's fault that they didn't bother to add it in there?
[04:59] <draik> intelikey: It's ok. I will find out... somehow
[05:00] <intelikey> Vuen_ mmm don't want the debian menu ?
[05:00] <Vuen_> not really
[05:00] <Vuen_> i want my k menu to be very clean
[05:00] <rcrook> anyone know what program I can use to record video from my webcam?
[05:00] <intelikey> Vuen_ anyway.  i don't know why kde didn't add it.  or where it should have.
[05:00] <Vuen_> hmph :(
[05:00] <Vuen_> well whatever
[05:01] <Vuen_> i don't really care about kde 3.5 anymore. i'm salivating over kde4
[05:01] <Vuen_> i can't wait until it comes out, oh GOD it's gonna be awesome
[05:01] <angasule> Vuen_: sometimes if you restart it'll show up, I don't know exactly what must be restarted (I boot my computer at least once a day)
[05:01] <Vuen_> hmph.
[05:02] <intelikey> i could hardly care less if there is ever a new kde
[05:02] <intelikey> if it aint broke, don't fix it.
[05:02] <niroxx> does somebody of you know a good ip range scanner?
[05:02] <Vuen_> hehe
[05:02] <Vuen_> qt4 is ported to windows
[05:02] <angasule> intelikey: have you seen Qt4? so much nicer!
[05:03] <Vuen_> when amarok on kde4 comes out, i will not rest until every single windows friend i have is using amarok
[05:03] <intelikey> angasule no.   but nicer how ?    eye candy ?
[05:03] <intelikey> blah.
[05:03] <intelikey> niroxx nmap
[05:03] <niroxx> nmap can only scan one ip :( @intelikey
[05:04] <angasule> intelikey: probably, but I haven't checked that, I meant it's modular and nicer to program with
[05:04] <intelikey> niroxx and nmapfe
[05:04] <angasule> intelikey: in particular, the program I'm writing now will be a *ton* easier with qt4
[05:04] <soulrider> does anyone know if theres a clone of Dr. Mario available? im addicted to that game :P
[05:04] <Vuen_> After you have started KAddressBook (either using the panel menu
[05:04] <Vuen_> what's the panel menu?
[05:05] <niroxx> intelikey: the gui also can only scan one ip
[05:05] <murchadh`> intelikey: You don't use erc for this lark do you? Just wondering!
[05:05] <draik> I'm all out of ideas. Anybody else?
[05:06] <intelikey> murchadh` ?
[05:06] <intelikey> erc ?
[05:06] <intelikey> ah  erc - an Emacs IRC client
[05:06] <intelikey> no
[05:07] <murchadh`> intelikey: Sorry! It's an irc client for emacs.
[05:07] <intelikey> :)
[05:07] <murchadh`> intelikey: Yeah, just wondering, you being a shell kinda guy!
[05:07] <intelikey> i'm not an emacser tho
[05:08] <murchadh`> intelikey: Didn't know if you emacsed though. Cool!
[05:08] <angasule> me neither, vim for the win :)
[05:08] <unix_infidel> anyone here running some sata hardware raid controllers (pci-x)?
[05:08] <rcrook> ok... where do you find the user menu config file?
[05:09] <murchadh`> angasule: I'm not gonna bite. Just installed i
[05:09] <intelikey> vim to place     echo and sed  real geeks edit with them.
[05:09] <rcrook> the Kmenu config
[05:09] <murchadh`> erc and it's cool. oops
[05:10] <murchadh`> intelikey: I wrote a note taking script with echo! hehe
[05:13] <family_> I'm having problems getting an mp3 player working with gnomad2 on Edgy.  Might anyone here be willing to help with brainstorming or trying solutions?
[05:13] <murchadh`> angasule: I'm sure vim is powerful too, I used it for editing config files for years, but a friend got me interested in emacs. Installed it the other day, got the characters I need working, edit's my wiki and earlier on I got it doing IRC and jabber! I'm impressed. Haven't done a startx in a while!
[05:14] <intelikey> rcrook  : > bob ;kmenuedit ;find ./ -anewer bob         and when the menueditor pops up change something and close it.
[05:15] <angasule> murchadh`: well, I believe in KISS, one app does one job and does it well, to chat in a text editor is heresy :P
[05:15] <intelikey> guess we all got spamed with that one.... :)
[05:16] <draik> Well I'm back and I'm logged in using SGD
[05:16] <intelikey> angasule yeah   you tell em'     and read the man page on the in knoqueror while your at it...  hehhe
[05:16] <murchadh`> angasule: Heehe! To call emacs a text editor is heresy to many!
[05:17] <angasule> murchadh`: so what should I call it? a finger puzzle? :P
[05:17] <intelikey> murchadh`   sic'em
[05:17] <angasule> intelikey: I love konqueror :)
[05:18] <family_> I've not done much fancy with emacs, but when I had to do a lot of coding for my thesis, I decided to learn emacs:  never regretted it once.
[05:18] <intelikey> angasule don't dubble talk me on that.  konqueror is the farthest thing form  KISS  that linux knows.....
[05:19] <murchadh`> angasule: Many people use it as a desktop. Apparently it can do anything. And whilst I love konqueror, it ain't KISS.
[05:19] <intelikey> well emacs is an os not an editor     or should i say a platform
[05:19] <slougi_> emacs could also be described as one of the most complete IDEs
[05:20] <slougi_> although I am a vim fan myself
[05:21] <intelikey> i've played games in emacs a couple of times thats about all i've ever done with it  but i know it's not just an editor.      actually i'm not sure vim qualifies as 'just an editor' anymore
[05:22] <slougi> there's pretty few editors that are 'just' editors
[05:22] <slougi> pico and nano come close to that
[05:22] <draik> What is the equivalence to m$ Frontpage in linux?
[05:23] <slougi> you could try nvu I guess
[05:23] <slougi> !nvu
[05:23] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[05:23] <intelikey> !quanta
[05:23] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[05:23] <Murchadh> !bluefish
[05:23] <ubotu> bluefish: advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-1 (edgy), package size 1568 kB, installed size 6728 kB
[05:23] <intelikey> !screem
[05:23] <ubotu> screem: A GNOME website development environment. In component main, is optional. Version 0.16.1-3.1build1 (edgy), package size 2068 kB, installed size 7688 kB
[05:24] <CSonicGo> !AIM
[05:24] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[05:24] <intelikey> dueling bots anyone ?
[05:24] <draik> I wish
[05:24] <CSonicGo> why does gaim still have *censored* DIRECT IM support?
[05:24] <CSonicGo> it's horrible and it never works for me.
[05:24] <family_> soulrider: Thanks for your repository help a couple of days ago.  Definitely some learning went on.
[05:25] <hepme> is there a good voice recognition software for KDE? (preferably as good as somethin like Dragon Natural Speech, that lets you talk to kde apps
[05:26] <soulrider> grat family_
[05:26] <soulrider> could you solve your problems ?
[05:26] <intelikey> i heard someone say "if you give a guy a fish, he eats for a day.  if you teach i guy to fish, he'll eat for a life time"   but if you use the latter approach the guy will take your fishing pool away and you will never get to fish again.....
[05:27] <family_> soulrider:  Solved some of them.  Current problems are (primary) getting Creative Zen V working (with gnomad), and (2ry) getting sound & plug-ins to work.
[05:27] <intelikey> hepme festival   don't know how good it is.
[05:28] <soulrider> i cant help you with the zen problem
[05:28] <soulrider> and what plugins are you trying to get to work ?
[05:29] <draik> hepme: I have been looking for something like what you're after. Voice Recognition
[05:29] <intelikey> !sound
[05:29] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:29] <draik> I want something that I can just say something (command) and my computer will do it
[05:31] <family_> soulrider: Understand.  I've been working with it most of the day (almost beddie-bye time now), and going in circles.  I've posted on the kubuntu edgy hardware forum; perhaps a kind soul with more ability than I have will help there.
[05:31] <angasule> draik: most such programs are terrible, I had one set up to handle my music player, frankly, I prefer the keyboard
[05:32] <family_> intelikey: Thanks for the bot reference; I've been doing searches and whatnot, but haven't encountered those two links as of yet.
[05:33] <draik> angasule: I have a media keyboard. I just want something that can talk back as well
[05:33] <family_> (Something about getting a wife's Christmas present to work that sets priorities . . . )
[05:33] <hepme> which vim should i get for the gvim (graphical vim)? vim-gtk?
[05:34] <angasule> draik: talk back? I think KDE includes a speech engine or something
[05:34] <draik> angasule: do tell...
[05:35] <soulrider> family_: maybe you can get support from the product manufacturer.. ?
[05:35] <socket> how to configure xgl under kubuntu?
[05:35] <soulrider> !xgl
[05:35] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:36] <angasule> draik: that's all I know, sorry :)
[05:36] <angasule> !speech
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <max_> what is the name of the program that  draws the icons on the desktop in kubuntu
[05:36] <socket> thanks - will go through the urls
[05:37] <max_> socket: why XGL and not AIGLX?
[05:37] <K`zan> anyone know how to get rid of that "universal side bar"?  TIA
[05:37] <socket> max_ - is ALGLX good over XGL?
[05:37] <family_> From Creative?  Perhaps:  I have sent them an email (yesterday).  It goes to show ya that one should read the small print, which points out that the device *only* works on Windoze XP !!!!   Not even other MSWin systems!!  (Something to do with mtp, which is why gnomad should work.)
[05:38] <max_> socket: i think so, its faster and builtin to edgy
[05:38] <socket> ok, how do i activate the same
[05:38] <intelikey> family_ in linux it's always best to search your distros packages first.    apt-cache search <any string to look for>        and if you see something that looks interesting   apt-cache show <that package name>    for more details.     or use adept to thumb through them.
[05:38] <max_> whats your graphics card?
[05:39] <socket> i have a Centrino laptop intel graphics chipset
[05:39] <max_> lemme get you a link hold on
[05:39] <family> intelikey: I've become very, very familiar with the  /aptitude search/ command today---as well as the install and remove subcommands.  :-/
[05:39] <intelikey> k
[05:40] <soulrider> family: i hope you became familiar in a nice way :P
[05:40] <soulrider> while doing nice stuff :P
[05:40] <max_> socket: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLXOnEdgy do that then use the beryl wiki
[05:40] <max_> what is the name of the program that  draws the icons on the desktop in kubuntu
[05:40] <socket> ok
[05:40] <family> intelikey: Also using adept has helped in looking at versions.  I tried to put a good explanation in the kubuntu forum Edgy Hardwares section; we'll see.
[05:40] <socket> thanks
[05:41] <family> soulrider: Oh, yes, in a v-e-r-y nice way.
[05:41] <hepme> umm kde just crashed on me hardcore, to the point where ctrl+alt+backspace or nothin but powering off my computer mangually would work :| that's unacceptible as it's 2007, not 1997... i was liking kde too. second time this happened within 2 hours. is there anyway i can just disable kde from loading when i start kubuntu. so i can have the GUI be optional?
[05:41] <socket> i had some issues with both (AIGLX and XGL) on Ubuntu, let me try on kubuntu
[05:41] <max_> are you in dapper or edgy?
[05:42] <intelikey> hepme yeah in 1997 that kinda thing didn't happen
[05:42] <socket> i am using edgy
[05:42] <hepme> what kinda thing didnt happen
[05:42] <socket> i have installed both ubuntu and kubuntu on the same root partition
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hepme: select "console login" at the login screen
[05:43] <intelikey> hepme yes to answer your Q    remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/??kdm      and it wont start the gui at boot time.
[05:43] <hepme> thanks
[05:43] <intelikey> there is a script made to  do that    update-rc.d
[05:44] <hepme> how can i tell if fb-con is enabled
[05:44] <intelikey> lsmod ?
[05:44] <socket> max - i have a Intel 855GM chipset
[05:44] <socket> do AIGLX or XGL support this chipset?
[05:46] <max_> yes, i have a older chipset than that
[05:46] <intelikey> tina=this is not an acronym    hehhe   some people...
[05:46] <max_> 845G
[05:46] <socket> ok, then, let me give a shot again, and will let you know the same
osaako kukaan suomea...
[05:47] <max_> what is the name of the program that  draws the icons on the desktop in kubuntu
[05:47] <intelikey> well i'm went.
[05:50] <angasule> max_: superkaramba?
[05:51] <max_> angasule: im positive its not that
[05:51] <max_> the desktop manager? i need to know its name
[05:52] <matthew_> KDE
[05:52] <matthew_> actually, KDM
[05:52] <max_> thank you
[05:52] <Hobbsee> max_: kdesktop?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> kdesktop is the one that does the background, the icons, etc
[05:53] <jpiccolo> anyone know what would make azureus freeze?
[05:54] <soulrider> jpiccolo: azureus has some abd memory leaks
[05:54] <soulrider> i suggest you use utorrent with wine
[05:54] <soulrider> it sounds like a bad idea, but its hte best alternative there is
[05:54] <slougi> ktorrent is decent nowadays
[05:54] <jpiccolo> well i was liking az
[05:54] <soulrider> slougi: still sint good enough
[05:54] <jpiccolo> but now it wont start right
[05:55] <jpiccolo> it loads but then stops responding
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> plus to utorrent being "acquired"
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> future linux version
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> but that's about it :\
[05:56] <matthew_> jpiccolo, you need to be on the desktop that azureus is loading on for azureus to completely load its gui
[05:56] <jpiccolo> i am
[05:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm just settling for ktorrent for now until something better comes along
[05:57] <jpiccolo> i completed a download
[05:57] <jpiccolo> start to do its checksum
[05:57] <jpiccolo> then froze
[05:57] <jpiccolo> now wont work
[05:57] <matthew_> jpiccolo, weird...
[05:57] <jpiccolo> how would i kill java
[05:59] <jpiccolo> i wonder if a restart will help out
[06:02] <jontec> my video card supports an extended desktop, how do I do it in linux? I'd really like to have my console on the other monitor
[06:04] <jpiccolo> how would i save everything in firefox
[06:04] <flaccid> jontec: dual display
[06:04] <draik> jpiccolo: Save what?
[06:04] <flaccid> ?
[06:04] <draik> bookmarks?
[06:05] <jpiccolo> like passwords and bookmarks
[06:05] <jontec> flaccid: well... I mean having the desktop extended over two monitors
[06:05] <flaccid> !dual
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <draik> backup the following /home/jpiccolo/.mozilla/firefox
[06:05] <flaccid> jontec: nv or ati?
[06:05] <jontec> flaccid: ati
[06:06] <flaccid> jontec: do you have dual display option in system settings ?
[06:07] <jontec> flaccid: I haven't tried... I didn't know where to start... let's see (and plug in the other monitor)
[06:09] <flaccid> jontec: check if you already can in kcontrol -> monitor and display. if that doesn't work try http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[06:09] <jpiccolo> anyone running feisty herd1
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> jpiccolo: i am in my room at school
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> check out #ubuntu+1
[06:10] <jpiccolo> have any problems with it?
[06:10] <jontec> flaccid: um.. well I just plugged in the monitor and the monitor is black... (I don't have the option at the moment) umm... should I restart or should I press my monitor toggle button (which presently doesn't work... it's a Fn + key)
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[06:11] <jpiccolo> admiral, faster than drapper?
[06:12] <flaccid> jontec: ^^
[06:12] <flaccid> um where do you go to change resolution in edgy?
[06:13] <jontec> flaccid: should it work immediately after I plug in the monitor?
[06:14] <flaccid> jontec: no did you even check system settings - display?
[06:14] <jontec> flaccid: I did.
[06:14] <jontec> flaccid: it's greyed out
[06:14] <flaccid> could you enable more than 1 monitor there?
[06:14] <flaccid> jontec: click administator mode
[06:16] <jontec> flaccid: I'm there.... hey... should I change anything on the hardware tab?
[06:19] <flaccid> don't change the drivers yet just enable a second display and see if it works after restarting x
[06:19] <flaccid> good idea to backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf first as well
[06:21] <jontec> flaccid: are we restarting x from command line? (I need a command, then :D)
[06:21] <jontec> flaccid: and how do I enable the second
[06:21] <jontec> ?
[06:21] <flaccid> jontec: no just logout and then select restart x server from kdm
[06:22] <jontec> flaccid: wait I didn't even see the check box to enable the second display
[06:22] <flaccid> if you cannot add another monitor, follow the forum post
[06:23] <ZeroSystem> hello i want to know how come i cant enable my wireless adapter ?
[06:23] <flaccid> !wireless
[06:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:23] <flaccid> ZeroSystem: check the wifidocs
[06:23] <ZeroSystem> ok thanks
[06:23] <flaccid> np
[06:24] <jontec> flaccid: I'm sorry. :D I can enable it. wow. Okay, when I go to apply it, it says that it hasn't been tested with this video card and such. (I have no ati drivers installed, would that be necessary?)
[06:25] <flaccid> what driver are you using atm, jontec?
[06:25] <jontec> flaccid: whatever came installed... on the hardware tab it says plug n play for both monitors
[06:26] <flaccid> what does it say for driver of the video card?
[06:27] <jontec> flaccid: oh, sorry. the driver just says ati, like the name O_o
[06:28] <flaccid> thats the OS driver. you can use that or the prop. driver
[06:31] <pwn4tt4ck> whats up?
[06:31] <jontec> flaccid: okay, one more question before I apply it.... ummm I don't understand this 1 left of 2 and such. When I try to resize monitor 1 (I assume that's the monitor I am using now), the size of monitor 2 decreases significantly... my laptop is a widescreen, but my flat panel is not. O_o (Is this not important? are we just trying to see if it works?)
[06:31] <K`zan> How does one get rid of the missing kwallet message when starting and ending kmail - I don't want it and am TIRED of being nagged about it.  TIA!
[06:32] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec fowlduck: whats up guys! Hey, if I click 'setup outlook' will it set up evolution instead?
[06:32] <flaccid> jontec: yeah try it. basically dual display sux on linux. you have to set it up manually 9/10 times.
[06:32] <jontec> flaccid: okay
[06:33] <jontec> flaccid: it said that it was trying it and... the other monitor stayed BLACK.
[06:33] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: ? I have no idea what you're talking about :D
[06:34] <flaccid> try the manual set up
[06:35] <K`zan> Disregard Last (RTFM works :-).
[06:36] <dope> how do i get the icons in the taskbar to form up in columns.  they used to but not anymore
[06:36] <ZeroSystem> hello i checked the network site but there this problem is not mentioned "the network card gets disabled even though it is recognixed
[06:37] <ny0n> anyone around?
[06:37] <jontec> flaccid: I also tried cloning my main monitor and that failed as well... all that I got was a primitive white and black checkered screen with an x as my mouse (I remember this from SuSE, when KDE started up)
[06:37] <dope> nm
[06:37] <jontec> flaccid: I exited with ctl + alt + f7
[06:37] <ny0n> i just installed kubuntu on my desktop computer, can anyone help me get it to work with wireless internet
[06:38] <dope> how do i get something to run at startup
[06:38] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec: I meant like... there is a button my server that says 'setup outlook' and I was wondering, since I have evolution instead of outlook, if I click that button to set up my mail on outlook, will it set it up on evolution or just throw up an error?
[06:38] <ny0n> i just installed kubuntu on my desktop computer, can anyone help me get it to work with wireless internet
[06:39] <ZeroSystem> ny0n is your card recognized ?"
[06:39] <ny0n> i'm not sure
[06:40] <ny0n> it's a linksys
[06:40] <ny0n> it should be supported
[06:40] <ZeroSystem> check it at network settins
[06:41] <ny0n> i'm in network settings, am i looking for anything specific
[06:41] <dope> how do i get something to run at startup
[06:41] <ZeroSystem> right click the network
[06:41] <ZeroSystem> and put a tick on that options
[06:42] <Huey> is there really no way to switch between dual-monitor mode and single-monitor mode without restarting X?
[06:42] <ny0n> under available network interfaces i see two, eth0 (regular ethernet) and eth1 there is a red X next to it and it says "Disabled Wireless Network Device"
[06:43] <ny0n> how can i enale it
[06:43] <ny0n> enable*
[06:43] <ZeroSystem> right click enable
[06:43] <dope> how do i get something to run at startup
[06:43] <ZeroSystem> if it doesnt get enabled you have the same as my problem that i dont know how to solve ;.;
[06:43] <ny0n> hehe
[06:44] <dope> anyone
[06:44] <max_> !flash
[06:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:44] <ZeroSystem> dope what do you want to enable ?
[06:44] <dope> yakuake
[06:44] <ZeroSystem> i dont know it ><
[06:44] <Jucato> !kcontrol-autostart
[06:44] <ubotu> kcontrol-autostart: autostart module for KDE control center. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 268 kB
[06:45] <Jucato> ^^^^
[06:45] <nixternal> dope, start up yakuake once, and leave it alone, it will then start up everytime
[06:45] <Jucato> yep
[06:45] <nixternal> you don't need to do anything special
[06:45] <dope> i don't have kubuntu load my last session
[06:45] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: I'd say it depends on how it sets up outlook
[06:45] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: what does the link go to?
[06:45] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: oh it's a button
[06:45] <nixternal> dope: doesn't matter, if you shutdown with yakuake running, it is stored in the session and will start up every time until you close it
[06:46] <Jucato> dope: <apt> To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273
[06:46] <Rob-West> does anyone have a space PC
[06:46] <Jucato> nixternal: I think he means that he set Kubuntu *not* to restore from the previous session
[06:46] <nixternal> i don't know what it is, so i guess i don't have a space pc
[06:47] <nixternal> ahh
[06:47] <ny0n> when i enable it it turns back into disabled after afew seconds
[06:47] <ny0n> :(
[06:47] <dope> i got that kcontrol-autostart
[06:47] <dope> now what
[06:48] <jontec> pwn4tt4ck: I'll be right back I have to logoff
[06:48] <slougi> hmm for me yakuake starts automatically on login without any setup
[06:48] <Jucato> dope: it will be in kcontrol or system settings, afaik
[06:48] <Jucato> (to launch kcontrol, press Alt+F2 and type in kcontrol)
[06:49] <Rob-West> does anyone have a computer there not using
[06:49] <Jucato> dope: you can read the link that <apt> gave for manual instructions, just in case
[06:49] <ny0n> zero you around?
[06:49] <Jucato> slougi: that's because you have KDE setup to restore from previous session. dope (and I) don't
[06:49] <slougi> Rob-West: I have a 486 :] 
[06:49] <slougi> Jucato: possible
[06:50] <dwidmann|sleep> Rob-West: do virtual machines count?
[06:50] <nixternal> slougi: that's what it is, because it is the same for me
[06:50] <slougi> ok
[06:50] <Rob-West> slougi is it in use
[06:50] <nixternal> i have a few computers im currently not using. only use them for test builds and bug work
[06:50] <ny0n> hey zerosystem
[06:51] <nixternal> i went to school with a Rob West, your not from carol stream are you :)
[06:51] <slougi> Rob-West: no
[06:51] <dope> ok i think i found it
[06:51] <dope> brb
[06:51] <Rob-West> slougi where r u from
[06:52] <prak> is anyone familiar with the dialling stuff with minicom?
[06:52] <slougi> Rob-West: finland
[06:52] <Rob-West> to far
[06:52] <slougi> kinda suspected that
[06:52] <nixternal> Rob-West: im in chicago, what do you need?
[06:53] <nixternal> you are across the big pond it seems
[06:53] <Rob-West> no im in michigan
[06:53] <nixternal> kzoo
[06:53] <nixternal> im from the area
[06:53] <nixternal> originally
[06:53] <Rob-West> do u have a real pc or just virtual ones
[06:53] <nixternal> real and virtual
[06:54] <Rob-West> i kinda want a spare one to play with
[06:54] <nixternal> i hear you there. might be cheaper to hit up craigslist or ebay
[06:54] <nixternal> since i got this laptop, i only use them to break now :)
[06:56] <Rob-West> how do i access craigslist
[06:56] <nixternal> are you in kzoo?
[06:56] <Rob-West> well near there
[06:56] <nixternal> http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/us/mi
[06:57] <nixternal> im from benton harbor :)
[06:57] <Rob-West> r u black
[06:57] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:57] <nixternal> no
[06:57] <Jucato> lol
[06:57] <nixternal> why is it when i tell people that, that is the first question they ask
[06:57] <Rob-West> u live in Benton Harbor michigan
[06:57] <nixternal> http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/
[06:57] <nixternal> i live in chicago now :)
[06:57] <nixternal> i used to live in watervliet
[06:57] <nixternal> if you ever heard of that
[06:58] <nixternal> im sure you have
[07:00] <crazy_bus> Is there a quick way to check what version of the Nvidia binary drivers you are using?
[07:00] <Jucato> nvidia-settings
[07:01] <crazy_bus> thank you.  I can't believe I didnt think of it :)
[07:01] <dope> ok still can't do it
[07:01] <Jucato> if you installed the driver from Nvidia.com... I don't think it has an nvidia-settings
[07:02] <Jucato> dope: simplest way, make a link to the yakuake executable (/usr/bin/yakuake) in ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:02] <dope> crap
[07:02] <dope> i messed soemthing up, sda1 isn't windows anymore
[07:02] <dope> it's just blank
[07:04] <sUpER> how do i install kplayer
[07:04] <ny0n> can anyone help me get wireless internet working on kubuntu
[07:05] <fowlduck> yo yo yo
[07:05] <socket> hi max
[07:05] <mds> ny0n: have you tried knetworkmanager?
[07:06] <socket> i have installed alglx
[07:06] <socket> now how do i test the same?
[07:07] <socket__> anyone, how do i test AIGLX on my desktop??
[07:07] <ny0n> i don't have knetworkmanager
[07:07] <sUpER> anyone knows how to install kplayer?
[07:07] <prak> is anyone familiar with the dialling stuff with minicom?
[07:07] <ny0n> can i get it working without knetworkmanager?
[07:09] <prak> is anyone familiar with the dialling stuff with minicom?
[07:10] <pwn4tt4ck> is jontec back?
[07:10] <pwn4tt4ck> fowlduck: hey, ok I gotta leave
[07:10] <pwn4tt4ck> jontec left
[07:10] <pwn4tt4ck> omg
[07:10] <fowlduck> later
[07:10] <pwn4tt4ck> ok later guys have a good night, I might be on around 2 or 4
[07:10] <pwn4tt4ck> or 3*
[07:13] <ZeroSystem> if the wireless card id disabled does that mean its not recognized properly ?
[07:16] <ny0n> zerosystem, i don't know
[07:16] <ny0n> did it ever do that to you
[07:16] <ny0n> you enable it and it disables by itself
[07:16] <ZeroSystem> it is doing it now
[07:16] <ZeroSystem> ya
[07:16] <ZeroSystem> it is always like that
[07:16] <ny0n> hmm
[07:17] <ZeroSystem> 2 days trying to fix it
[07:17] <ny0n> i'm on a laptop with kubuntu
[07:17] <ny0n> wireless is working (i cam here and someone helped me)
[07:17] <ny0n> i installed kubuntu on my desktop like an hour ago
[07:17] <ZeroSystem> how did it work ?
[07:17] <ny0n> i forget
[07:17] <ny0n> someone in here took me through it step by step
[07:17] <ny0n> and it worked
[07:17] <ZeroSystem> did you have that problem at first ?
[07:18] <ny0n> i don't think so
[07:18] <ZeroSystem> what was the problem ?
[07:18] <ny0n> it just wasn't working
[07:18] <ny0n> this was a long time ago
[07:19] <ZeroSystem> i c
[07:19] <ny0n> someone help me and zerosystem
[07:19] <ny0n> setup wifi
[07:19] <ny0n> :] 
[07:21] <ZeroSystem> could it be a bug in kubuntu 6.10?
[07:21] <ny0n> mayhbe
[07:21] <ny0n> maybe*
[07:22] <ny0n> i'll probably be back later
[07:22] <ny0n> :)
[07:22] <ZeroSystem> me to
[07:22] <ZeroSystem> if you get anyhelp at it tell me
[07:31] <pluto> Can someone tell me what could cause linux to stop allowing me to burn CDs?
[07:32] <lovloss> i just switched to kubuntu from ubuntu :) what should i know?
[07:33] <MistaED> everything has a k in it
[07:33] <lovloss> lol. i mean, will i have many compatibility issues?
[07:34] <MistaED> i don't think so, i've changed over today as well
[07:34] <lovloss> How come i cant find anything in the packages? there's only about 4 listed programs
[07:35] <MistaED> oh yeah i've chosen to ignore adept and just use synaptic
[07:36] <lovloss> *shiver* thats a bit more comlex
[07:38] <lovloss> how well does kde run gnome stuff
[07:41] <pluto> I'm here..
[07:41] <pluto> just to say I am :p
[07:42] <lovloss> :D
[07:42] <lovloss> its quiet
[07:42] <pluto> LOL, yeah I know.. no troubleshooting help in here today
[07:42] <lovloss> hey, howcome i cant install kdevelope :(
[07:42] <lovloss> its faded in adept
[07:43] <pluto> That I wouldn't know.. have you tried from console?
[07:43] <lovloss> i suppose i may have to use console....
[07:44] <pluto> Its easier IMO. Less headache with graphics
[07:44] <lovloss> hmm i havent installed anything yet
[07:45] <lovloss> what were the apt-gets for proprietary file formats?
[07:47] <lovloss> oh iu havent updated @.@
[07:48] <lovloss> gavin... you go to mtsu perchance?
[07:49] <lovloss> guess not
[07:50] <hepme> what dir should i install tarbars i compile myself? like say for flash stand alone player
[07:51] <freeride> ello all
[07:51] <freeride> whats up
[07:53] <crimsun> err, there's no reason to use a tarball of flash 9 beta; we've backported it from feisty to both dapper and edgy
[07:53] <crimsun> see dapper-backports and edgy-backports, respectively
[07:53] <crimsun> !flashplugin-nonfree edgy-backports
[07:53] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:54] <crimsun> !flashplugin-nonfree dapper-backports
[07:54] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 12 kB, installed size 100 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:54] <hepme> i want to see flash movies from the console though, looks like i need libflash-swfplayer
[07:55] <Rob-West> anyone here in the US
[07:55] <freeride> yeah, I am
[07:55] <Rob-West> well someone close to michigan
[07:55] <freeride> lol, why, you need in home tech support?
[07:55] <freeride> is it really that bad?
[07:55] <Rob-West> im looking for a cheap computer that will run ubuntu
[07:56] <Rob-West> no im looking for a second PC
[07:56] <freeride> you can get a new one from dell for like 300 bucks man
[07:56] <burryl> is there anyway to watch videos online that require window media player plugin?
[07:57] <Rob-West> i can only do like 30 bucks tops
[07:57] <burryl> dain, my graphics card is 300 bucks, that sucks =(
[07:57] <bork> im in the us too
[07:57] <freeride> 30 bucks should cover the shipping charges
[07:57] <Rob-West> thats the problem
[07:57] <burryl> and the plastic casing..
[07:57] <burryl> =)
[07:57] <burryl> was joking
[07:57] <Rob-West> cuz thats all i got
[07:57] <Rob-West> well actually 20 bucks
[07:58] <freeride> damn man, you need a job more than you need a computer
[07:58] <burryl> what are u trying to do, i just got here =)
[07:58] <Rob-West> minus 3$
[07:58] <Rob-West> im looking for a older PIII or PII something that will run Ubuntu and fair speed
[07:58] <freeride> lmao, for 20 bucks?
[07:58] <burryl> are u not in the us or someting?
[07:59] <Rob-West> im in the US
[07:59] <freeride> dood, good luck with that
[07:59] <burryl> 20 bucks?
[07:59] <bork> me too
[07:59] <freeride> I'll take 3 of them at taht price :-p
[07:59] <burryl> ask ur parents for more money =) that's what i do lol
[07:59] <bork> fair use rights
[07:59] <freeride> I'll fill a whole room with 200mhz pentium ubuntu boxes :-D
[08:00] <freeride> lmao
[08:00] <Rob-West> my mom wont give me cash
[08:00] <freeride> like I said, you need a job way more than you need a computer
[08:00] <Rob-West> im to young for a job
[08:01] <freeride> mow some lawns or shovel some snow or whatever they do in mi
[08:01] <burryl> u don't need cash, just the credit card number..
[08:01] <freeride> haha!
[08:01] <burryl> =)
[08:01] <freeride> and it doesnt matter who's number ;-)
[08:02] <freeride> any card will do
[08:02] <freeride> lol
[08:02] <Rob-West> nah im good
[08:04] <Rob-West> im looking for a older PIII or PII something that will run Ubuntu and fair speed but i have no money
[08:08] <lovloss> how come i cant find almost any packages?
[08:08] <lovloss> kdev, kleansweep, and so fotrh... all this stuff is missing
[08:10] <notech> probably your sources list
[08:11] <lovloss> i havent done anything to that
[08:11] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu
[08:11] <lovloss> i just imnstalled
[08:11] <Tann> using ndiswrapper
[08:11] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu using kubuntu
[08:11] <Tann> oops
[08:11] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu using ndiswrapper
[08:11] <Tann> there
[08:11] <Whopper> umm
[08:11] <Whopper> konsole
[08:12] <Whopper> hi simone_
[08:12] <lovloss> is it because i didnt add the universe package?
[08:12] <Tann> o great! not you whopper
[08:12] <Whopper> what?
[08:12] <Whopper> oh lol
[08:12] <Tann> :)
[08:12] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu using ndiswrapper
[08:13] <notech> lovloss: you have to uncomment some but i forgot the bots trigger for that
[08:14] <notech> lovloss: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/KubuntuStuff/How-Tos
[08:15] <lovloss> figured it out :D
[08:15] <lovloss> thanks ^o^
[08:16] <Tann> Hello?
[08:16] <matthew_> Tann, what's up?
[08:16] <php-guy> does kubuntu koversation record all files that have been downloadeed? also does kubuntu have a log files of all files that have been on my system,and opened?
[08:16] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu using ndiswrapper
[08:16] <matthew_> sorry Tann , no clue.
[08:16] <Tann> ok, thanks for atleast trying
[08:17] <matthew_> Tann, once you've got ndiswrapper installed, do         man ndiswrapper
[08:17] <notech> !wireless
[08:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:17] <php-guy> does kubuntu koversation record all files that have been downloadeed? also does kubuntu have a log files of all files that have been on my system,and opened?
[08:17] <matthew_> that should give you a lot of info...
[08:17] <Tann> ok
[08:19] <Tann> anyone else know
[08:19] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu using ndiswrapper
[08:20] <Whopper> php-guy: yes, it does
[08:20] <php-guy> where at?
[08:20] <php-guy> does kubuntu record files thats been opened somewhere?
[08:20] <Whopper> well, into files you specify
[08:20] <Whopper> default, idk
[08:21] <Tann> I will burn my disk soon
[08:21] <Whopper> but...perhaps search for keywords
[08:21] <Tann> I won't install untill tomarrow
[08:21] <Whopper> tann: :)
[08:21] <jpiccolo> edgy is seeing my array as two seperate drives, why?
[08:21] <Tann> when i have more resources available in the hous
[08:21] <Tann> e
[08:22] <Tann> note: Tann is too lazy to go and turn on the other comp in the house
[08:22] <Whopper> lol
[08:25] <matthew_> lol, looks like genii is taking a break from this channel for the holidays.
[08:25] <Whopper> :P
[08:35] <sivaji_2009> ple tell me about linux troubleshooting
[08:42] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, what kind of trouble shooting?
[08:43] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, you can either google around, post a thread on the forum, or come here. (or ask a friend for help, if you have any who know linux...)
[08:44] <sivaji_2009> just now i installed kubuntu say 30 days but i got too many peoblem
[08:44] <sivaji_2009> just now i installed kubuntu say 30 days but i got too many problem
[08:44] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, what do you mean? problems with sound? Video? Wireless?
[08:45] <sivaji_2009> when file system check fails
[08:46] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, what is your native language? also, for the file system do this         fsck /dev/whatever_device_that_failed_the_check
[08:47] <hepme> i cant make del.icio.us buttons in konq? :(
[08:48] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, please keep the conversation in here.
[08:48] <matthew_> !ma
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <sivaji_2009> ok
[08:49] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, the file system check will check your inodes and filesystem structure for errors.
[08:49] <matthew_> !marathi
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about marathi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, what language is marathi similar to?
[08:50] <sivaji_2009> my file system is normal shall i try this command " fsck /dev/whatever_device_that_failed_the_check "
[08:50] <sivaji_2009> hindi
[08:50] <matthew_> lol, sivaji_2009, when it says that a device failed a check, which device is it? (hda1, hdb2, etc...)
[08:51] <matthew_> !hindi
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hindi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:51] <sivaji_2009> hda1
[08:51] <sivaji_2009> tell me how to partition disk
[08:51] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, ok, so reboot and boot into recovery mode. then type in fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1
[08:51] <matthew_> !qparted | sivaji_2009
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <matthew_> !gparted | sivaji_2009
[08:52] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:52] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, you can also you cfdisk /dev/hda to partition from the command line
[08:52] <matthew_> Ok, I'm going to go...see you later, sivaji_2009 , I will be back later...
[08:53] <sivaji_2009> tell me precisely
[08:53] <matthew_> my email is computingsolutionsbiz@gmail.com. Feel free to email me.
[08:53] <sivaji_2009> ok bye
[08:53] <matthew_> sivaji_2009, sorry I couldn't help more...bye
[08:55] <jpiccolo> ok so i installed dmraid but i still cant see my controller
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> it's QTparted for anyone's future reference
[08:55] <flaccid> wassupi
[08:55] <flaccid> heh ignore me
[08:56] <jpiccolo> Admiral_Chicago, could you help me get my raid controller installed?
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> jpiccolo: i would try to help, but unfortunetly, it is...
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> @now Chicago
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: December 31 2006, 01:56:43
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> bed time
[08:56] <jpiccolo> ook
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> perhaps in a few hours.
[08:57] <jpiccolo> yeah its 3am here
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Pensylvania?
[08:57] <jpiccolo> yeah
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> from what I understand you need the alternate install CD.
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> !raid
[08:58] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[08:58] <jpiccolo> oh ok
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know if you've seen those, anyways good luck
[09:02] <binks> can someone point me to a howto get a generic mp3 player that is fat16 to mount with permission to write to it please
[09:03] <binks> its a matsui
[09:03] <lovloss> :< whyyyy does adept package thingy crash every time i load up 'all sweets' and 'unsupported software' together? i wanna browse >.<
[09:04] <lovloss> "all suites" lol
[09:07] <sivaji_2009> my media player does not supports .wmv what should i do to play that file
[09:07] <sivaji_2009> keffeine
[09:08] <crimsun> I believe kaffeine can utilise w32codecs
[09:08] <sivaji_2009> what is that w32codecs
[09:08] <crimsun> !restricted |sivaji_2009
[09:08] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:09] <MistaED> why doesn't konqueror render jpg
[09:09] <MistaED> *jpg's?
[09:09] <MistaED> is this just my copy or a known thing?
[09:10] <crimsun> it renders them fine here.
[09:10] <MistaED> it's rendering them as the win95 jpg icon o_O
[09:10] <sivaji_2009> wht is meant by rendering and morphing
[09:11] <MistaED> sivaji_2009: rendering as in processing/displaying an image on-screen
[09:14] <sivaji_2009> keffeine does not supports .wmv , .avi how to add plugins
[09:24] <flaccid> !wmv
[09:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:24] <flaccid> ^^ sivaji_2009
[09:27] <sivaji_2009> my medila player does not supports .avi and .wmv what should i do
[09:28] <hepme> kde doeesn't come with mplayer by default? should i install 'kmplayer' ? is that like a kde version of mplayer that makes it so you dont have to install gtk or something?
[09:29] <hepme> also which app can i use to stream internet radio from the command line?
[09:30] <jpiccolo> anyone help me with installing on raid
[09:44] <crazy_bus> I'm not sure why but all my desktop, icon, this konversation windows fonts have all gone tiny.  Does anyone know why and how to fix it?
[09:46] <computer> what games are there in the repos that's cool to get
[09:47] <crazy_bus> Battle for wesnoth, is great if you don't already have it
[09:48] <computer> yeah i wanted to get that, the newest version, it seemed a little complicated to install
[09:48] <computer> but ill prolly try in a sec
[09:48] <crazy_bus> I have to give you a game if you install it
[09:49] <rygd> I wasted an entire night to that game when I was moving...didn't have time to waste, either
[09:49] <computer> what do u mean
[09:49] <nibi> hi
[09:49] <nibi> does anyone know how to use cue sheets in amarok
[09:49] <crazy_bus> computer, use this guide to install the 1.2 version of wesnoth.  It worked great for me: http://gaming.gwos.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=63
[09:50] <computer> cool thx alot
[09:51] <nibi> or is amarok lame enough to not support cue
[09:53] <computer> rygd battle of wesnoth work on edgy too right
[09:53] <crazy_bus> I installed it on edgy
[09:54] <computer> what about that step where it had some options related to gnome
[09:54] <crazy_bus> just type ./configure instead
[09:54] <computer> cool
[09:54] <computer> o i meant, i'm on kubuntu
[09:54] <computer> that'd work too right
[09:55] <crazy_bus> Yes ./configure works on kubuntu
[09:55] <sivaji_2009> my medila player does not supports .avi and .wmv what should i do
[09:55] <nibi> any amarok users here?
[09:55] <rygd> computer, let me check
[09:55] <rygd> I was using dapper at the time
[09:56] <nibi> no amarokians?
[09:56] <computer> rygd: cool thx, it works on edgy too as crazy_bus mentioned =)
[09:56] <rygd> ok, nevermind
[09:56] <computer> thx for looking it up tho :)
[09:56] <computer> crazy_bus would the game be ok on kubuntu as well, im a little lazy to google, plus i just finished reading alot of stuff on google, eyes tired hehe
[09:57] <crazy_bus> I use kubuntu, and it works fine for me
[09:57] <computer> great =)
[09:57] <computer> thx
[09:57] <crazy_bus> just remember to type ./configure instead
[09:57] <computer> o and how do u bookmark that page, i right clicked it doesn't give me the option
[09:57] <nibi> rygd: how do you use cue sheets in amarok?
[09:57] <computer> will remember =) thx
[09:57] <computer> nvm
[09:57] <computer> i just bookmarked
[09:57] <lovloss> my add/remove programs manager crashes when i load "all suites". any solution?
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> nibi: one here
[09:58] <computer> don't know why it didn't work before but it's ok now
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted | sivaji_2009
[09:58] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:58] <rygd> nibi, don't know, sorry
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> cue sheets? never heard of them
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> #amarok might know
[09:58] <nibi> ok thanks
[09:59] <jpiccolo> Admiral you still here
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> yea barely
[09:59] <computer> o for firefox, why can't i view the online videos requiring wmv and quicktime? i already have win32codec mplayer, kmplayer installed, i am able to watch those videos on konqueror tho, but that's only because the websites like cnn in konqueror can't detect what version wmv i have, but in firefox, it detects that i have no wmv at all
[09:59] <computer> is there a way to fix this =)
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> computer: i think it's a problem with cnn, i've heard problems about cnn specifically
[10:00] <computer> Admiral_Chicago cool, that's good to know, thx for the info :)
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> check mplayer-plugin though
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i think thats what you want
[10:01] <computer> i have mozilla-mplayer is that the same thing
[10:01] <computer> i think i installed everything that contained the word mplayer from synaptic
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i think thats what you want
[10:02] <computer> cool thx
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> yes it is
[10:02] <computer> !xmms
[10:02] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[10:02] <computer> thx for confirming for me =)
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> well I have to run.
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> ttu all later
[10:02] <computer> kk, see ya around
[10:02] <computer> thx lates
[10:07] <jpiccolo> anyone use dmraid?
[10:07] <lovloss> in kubuntu, how do you install java to work with the web?
[10:09] <charlie5> hi ... any idea's why does ktorrent often d/l's the 1st 99.5% of a torrent and then just stop dead ... ?
[10:11] <rygd> how long has it been stuck there?
[10:12] <charlie5> about an hour ... the 1st part came in a flood now i'm not even sure i'm getting anything
[10:13] <rygd> what kind of file is it
[10:14] <charlie5> seems to happen a lot ... so i guessed it isn't just a case of a few peers dropping out
[10:14] <rygd> large like movie or small like a pdf?
[10:14] <charlie5> a large .rar
[10:14] <charlie5> it won;t decompress w/o the last few bytes :/
[10:15] <godulous> hello please
[10:15] <godulous> whats up with it?
[10:15] <AtWorst> hey
[10:15] <rygd> give it a while...if you can't get the rest of it...well, I dunno
[10:15] <AtWorst> hey i had a Q that maybe sum1 cud help me with,
[10:15] <rygd> keep waiting, I guess...
[10:15] <AtWorst> my MSN isnt working right for sum reason
[10:15] <AtWorst> any1 have any ideas?
[10:16] <godulous> help it me, the install crash :( i need to instALL IT PLEASE THe program.
[10:16] <charlie5> rygd: thanks :) ... i'm just whinging i guess ... was half hoping i had missed a setting or something ... but impatience is my main prob ;)
[10:16] <rygd> my guess is the MS portion, but that is just me.
[10:16] <jpiccolo> can anyone help with raid
[10:17] <AtWorst> OH STFU U LINUX MORONS
[10:17] <godulous> yes, raid if you eat call poison control
[10:17] <AtWorst> windows < linux
[10:17] <AtWorst> fuckin faggots
[10:17] <godulous> bad poison for ants onlu
[10:17] <AtWorst> windows > linux
[10:17] <AtWorst> windows > linux
[10:17] <AtWorst> windows > linux
[10:17] <rygd> well if you keep having the problem you might wanna talk to someone a bit more familiar with it
[10:17] <rygd> I use bittornado with no problems, but sometimes it slows down a lot
[10:17] <crazy_bus> I installed blender, but I'm not sure where the loading file is stored.  I know the command to run it but Im looking for the actual file to run is?
[10:17] <AtWorst> i have an idea rygd
[10:18] <AtWorst> can u suck my left nut?
[10:18] <burryl> what...
[10:18] <AtWorst> cmmmon
[10:18] <AtWorst> plllllleassseee
[10:18] <AtWorst> burryl dont act like u dont know wuts up
[10:18] <AtWorst> me and u had some fun the other night aswell
[10:18] <rygd> assworst, I was talking to someone else
[10:18] <AtWorst> u sucked my dick and call me ur daddy
[10:18] <hepme> how can i run 'gpm' to use my mouse in a console?
[10:19] <burryl> lol if u were really my daddy u wouldn't have dare say that
[10:19] <AtWorst> it was a role play actually
[10:19] <godulous> can i play? i like game
[10:19] <godulous> S
[10:19] <AtWorst> yes godulous u can play
[10:19] <rygd> how are you going to come in here and talk shit to everyone and about the operating system this  is set up for and expect help?
[10:19] <burryl> lol u wouldn't even have dared think about it if u knew how me and my dad is like
[10:19] <AtWorst> im sure blurryl will call u daddy aswell, shes a real sweet lady
[10:20] <AtWorst> burryl is a VERY VERY sweet woman
[10:20] <godulous> can please helping with my toaster? it burned my cats
[10:20] <AtWorst> and gives a nice blowjob aswell
[10:20] <AtWorst> nossir i cant
[10:20] <AtWorst> but burryl can
[10:20] <burryl> lol he forgot to beat off today and is thinking everything is a girl, go hump on ur mom's leg lol
[10:20] <AtWorst> shes a real sweetheart
[10:20] <burryl> like a lil doggie dog =)
[10:21] <AtWorst> burryl is more woman then her mother
[10:21] <AtWorst> but her mother gives a much better blowjob
[10:21] <burryl> u know how u typed ur mom's a real sweetheart right after what i said, lol
[10:22] <AtWorst> yes
[10:22] <AtWorst> she actually can hold her breath for a long time
[10:22] <burryl> then go hump ur mom's leg like i told u to
[10:22] <AtWorst> which is nice
[10:22] <burryl> make a video of it and put in on net =)
[10:22] <godulous> i had a net once
[10:22] <godulous> i catch many surferboardings and eat the fosh.
[10:22] <burryl> u sure it wa s a net
[10:22] <AtWorst> theres a video of me and ur mother on youtube.com just search "boy cums down milfs throat"
[10:22] <AtWorst> and it will show up
[10:22] <burryl> lol trying to turn it around eh
[10:23] <AtWorst> yes
[10:23] <burryl> u know we were talking about atworst's mother lol
[10:23] <AtWorst> i am trying to turn around
[10:23] <burryl> check above
[10:23] <AtWorst> actually
[10:23] <AtWorst> i cant
[10:23] <AtWorst> im sry
[10:23] <AtWorst> i cant
[10:23] <AtWorst> it is impossible
[10:23] <godulous> i like to play it the ping pong. it
[10:23] <AtWorst> did u know u can by an it on the wallmart?
[10:24] <AtWorst> excuse me for a few minutes, im gonna go smoke some herb
[10:24] <AtWorst> i got a nice stash of some cooking herbs
[10:24] <AtWorst> makes for a nice high
[10:24] <godulous> i have a herb on my garnish yestordoay with my pastagetti.
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> oops didn't mean to do that
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !language
[10:26] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:27] <AtWorst> FUCK U NIGGER
[10:27] <AtWorst> fuck
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> !ops
[10:27] <AtWorst> shit
[10:27] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist or LjL
[10:27] <AtWorst> bitch
[10:27] <AtWorst> slup
[10:27] <AtWorst> slut*
[10:27] <AtWorst> skank
[10:27] <AtWorst> hoe
[10:27] <AtWorst> teabaggin
[10:27] <burryl> i wanna give u op, how do u become op tho
[10:29] <burryl> Admiral_Chicago how do people become ops
[10:29] <rmarianski> has anybody seen any problems upgrading from dapper -> edgy?
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> rmarianski: i haven't had a problem every updating
[10:30] <rmarianski> Admiral_Chicago: are you running edgy or feisty now?
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> rmarianski: right now? dapper. at my other computer, feisty. before that edgy (all the testing releases)
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> so edgy knot 1,2,3 the betas, and hurd1+
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> bed now
[10:33] <crazy_bus> bye
[10:34] <rmarianski> Admiral_Chicago: great ... i'll give upgrading a shot ... good night
[10:35] <jpiccolo> can anyone please help with dmraid
[10:35] <aleksanteri> hey i have a thingy again :P i want to install a theme and i got a .desktop file. I understood that i should run it but i got a "No Type= information". What would this be for a KDE theme?
[10:36] <aleksanteri> information" error. *
[10:36] <sivaji_2009> tell me how to partition my hardisk
[10:38] <sivaji_2009> tell me how to partition my hardisk
[10:38] <sivaji_2009> tell me how to partition my hardisk
[10:38] <jpiccolo> use qtparted
[10:39] <sivaji_2009> wht is that
[10:39] <MHK> jpiccolo: can use qtparted to partition a harddisk while you are running linux?
[10:39] <aleksanteri> !qtparted
[10:39] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[10:40] <aleksanteri> !qtparted|sivaji_2009
[10:40] <MHK> !qtparted|MHK
[10:40] <jpiccolo> not on the disk you are booted on
[10:40] <MHK> damned...
[10:40] <aleksanteri> !qtparted | sivaji_2009
[10:40] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[10:40] <MHK> wanted to try gentoo...=)
[10:40] <aleksanteri> :P
[10:40] <MHK> qtparted | MHK
[10:40] <jpiccolo> yyou can boot to the live cd and change it
[10:41] <jpiccolo> can anyone please help with dmraid, my controller is not showing up in /dev/mapper
[10:41] <sivaji_2009> how to use debugger dbg
[10:42] <ZeroSystem> hello can someone help me
[10:45] <ZeroSystem> i installed kubunta recently but my wireless adapter keeps being disabled, i installed driver and ndiswrapper but when i enable the driver it gets diabled automaticly
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> !anyone
[10:45] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'm really in bed now, just came to get a book
[10:45] <aleksanteri> i want to install the http://art4linux.org/pages/kdm-alfa.html alfa kdm theme but i just can't because the .desktop file has no "Type=..."  information?
[10:46] <crimsun> s/ael/ink/ , I think
[10:46] <Tann> How do you setup a wireless network connection in kubuntu using ndiswrapper
[10:48] <aleksanteri> !installing themes .desktop
[10:48] <aleksanteri> :|
[10:49] <aleksanteri> !themes .desktop
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about themes .desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <Tann> Hello?
[10:50] <flaccid> !ndiswrapper
[10:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:50] <Tann> that was no help
[10:51] <ZeroSystem> tann
[10:51] <Tann> yes
[10:51] <flaccid> sorry i can only suggest google
[10:51] <Tann> ok
[10:51] <flaccid> and the forums etc
[10:51] <Tann> ok, thanks
[10:51] <aleksanteri> -_-
[10:52] <ZeroSystem> you installed ndiswrapper ?
[10:52] <Tann> I havn't installed kubuntu
[10:52] <Tann> and i know how to install the driver
[10:53] <Tann> i just want to know how to setup the connection to a network
[10:53] <ZeroSystem> what do you wnat to know
[10:53] <Tann> i just want to know how to setup the connection to a network
[10:53] <ZeroSystem> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation
[10:54] <ZeroSystem> last step there is how to configiuer your network
[10:54] <Tann> ok
[10:54] <Tann> thanks alot!
[10:55] <flaccid> why do you use ndiswrapper, Tann?
[10:58] <ZeroSystem> (flaccid): if the wireless adapter keeps getting disabled what could be wrong something, is it liek a bug ?
[10:58] <Tann> I have to use ndiswrapper because my wireless device is not supported in the kernel
[10:58] <flaccid> are you on edgy, zeros?
[10:58] <flaccid> npz tann
[11:00] <ZeroSystem> yes edgy
[11:00] <flaccid> have you had it working before?
[11:01] <ZeroSystem> this is the first time i use linux
[11:02] <flaccid> well my wireless is now foo-barred in edgy if i use wpa
[11:02] <flaccid> and i can't find the problem
[11:03] <flaccid> i'm considering gentoo :)
[11:03] <lovloss> any idea why i cant install java?
[11:03] <flaccid> what is the error, lovloss?
[11:04] <lovloss> flaccid: it simply doesnt have the option. There is no java in the add/remove list
[11:04] <flaccid> !java
[11:04] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:04] <flaccid> there you go
[11:05] <lovloss> i think i tried that... one sec
[11:05] <ZeroSystem> (flaccid): if i installed dapper do you think it will work ?
[11:05] <lovloss> see, it says sun-java5-jre is missing, but referenced
[11:06] <lovloss> either missing, obsolete, or available from another source :P
[11:06] <flaccid> ZeroSystem: no idea
[11:06] <flaccid> lovloss: did you add the correct repos
[11:06] <lovloss> i turned on all the repos that were disabled. thats all i did
[11:06] <flaccid> do you even know which repos is required?
[11:07] <lovloss> the site said multiverse i believe, biut that one's on
[11:07] <flaccid> !info sun-java5-jre
[11:07] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[11:07] <flaccid> lovloss: did you update after adding the repos?
[11:08] <lovloss> yes, im fully up to date
[11:08] <flaccid> as in update the package list?
[11:08] <lovloss> maybe i didnt get multiverse... edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse    ... sounds right...
[11:08] <lovloss> update package list?
[11:08] <flaccid> !repos > lovloss
[11:09] <flaccid> yes as in sudo apt-get update
[11:09] <lovloss> i did it... it still cant find it
[11:09] <lovloss> and i see "multiverse" in the list
[11:10] <flaccid> dang
[11:11] <lovloss> oh
[11:11] <lovloss> wait... lol, that site says i had to add "multiverse" to something...
[11:13] <lovloss> why dont they just make this come standard?
[11:14] <flaccid> yes thats right
[11:14] <flaccid> because java is not free
[11:14] <flaccid> !free
[11:14] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[11:15] <lovloss> i know. Im just surprised they dont  hook yuou up with more repos
[11:15] <lovloss> anyway it worked :D
[11:15] <lovloss> i wonder where i can find more repos :3 thats neat browsing them for stuff
[11:16] <lovloss> So far i much prefer kde to gnome. A little less stable but the programs are so good
[11:17] <flaccid> !source-o-matic
[11:17] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:17] <flaccid> ^^ lovlosss
[11:17] <lovloss> oh neat :3
[11:18] <lovloss> well imma go play
[11:18] <lovloss> thanks :3
[11:19] <flaccid> npz
[11:19] <flaccid> only 2.5 hours till nye here in aus
[11:19] <flaccid> australia
[11:22] <hyper_ch> flaccid: Adelaide?
[11:23] <aleksanteri> hey i downloaded the http://art4linux.org/pages/kdm-alfa.html alfa theme as a tar.gz package and i thought that i should run the .desktop file there. But then I got an error message that says that the .desktop file has no "File=..." information. What do i need to do?
[11:23] <flaccid> hobart
[11:24] <hyper_ch> flaccid: I spent NYE '96/'97 in Adelaide :)
[11:25] <lovloss> oh i forgot
[11:25] <lovloss> how do i edit my "K menu"
[11:25] <lovloss> bah found it
[11:26] <aleksanteri> plz? :<
[11:26] <flaccid> cool i've never been there
[11:26] <hyper_ch> flaccid: I was there for 11 1/2 months :)
[11:26] <hyper_ch> flaccid: but then I was never in Hobart
[11:26] <flaccid> where are you now
[11:26] <hyper_ch> flaccid: Switzerland
[11:26] <flaccid> its a big country
[11:26] <flaccid> ah cool
[11:26] <flaccid> i'm from sydney
[11:27] <hyper_ch> flaccid: only seen Sydney Airport :)
[11:27] <aleksanteri> :|
[11:27] <hyper_ch> but it was great to sail from Adelaide to port arthur
[11:27] <flaccid> ah cool.
[11:27] <flaccid> ah well thats mad
[11:28] <flaccid> port arthur is about 1 hour away or something
[11:28] <hyper_ch> am I mistaken now in the name?
[11:29] <hyper_ch> flaccid: meant port augusta
[11:29] <flaccid> probably
[11:29] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:29] <aleksanteri> !offtopic-#kubuntu-offtopic
[11:29] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:29] <flaccid> ah yep that makes sense
[11:30] <flaccid> aleksanteri: meh
[11:30] <aleksanteri> -_-
[11:30] <flaccid> its new years eve
[11:30] <flaccid> is it not
[11:30] <flaccid> ooops sorry
[11:30] <flaccid> that was off topic...
[11:30] <hyper_ch> sorry
[11:31] <hyper_ch> but nobody seems to have a problem with Kubuntu right now :) so I thought it was ok
[11:32] <aleksanteri> :P
[11:32] <donzdc86> how do i configure the grub bootloader?
[11:32] <hyper_ch> instead of just idling in here :)
[11:32] <aleksanteri> hehehe see? :P
[11:32] <donzdc86> i want windows to be my default boot OS
[11:33] <donzdc86> anyone?>
[11:33] <hyper_ch> donzdc86: why do you want that?
[11:33] <andreasw> rofl
[11:33] <andreasw> that was not his question
[11:34] <andreasw> open /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the default value
[11:37] <donzdc86> can't seem to save after editing
[11:38] <riccardo> ciao a tutti
[11:38] <riccardo> ho un problema con kubuntu
[11:38] <riccardo> potete aiutarmi ?? :(
[11:38] <donzdc86> @hyper_ch: i just installed this distro to learn it, i'm not a hardcore linux user, well, i wanna be one. :D
[11:38] <andreasw> type alt + f2 then kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:39] <riccardo> sto cercando di aggiornare i repository
[11:39] <riccardo> ho editato il file list
[11:39] <Lynoure> !it | riccardo
[11:39] <ubotu> riccardo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:39] <riccardo> ahh :)
[11:39] <andreasw> donzdc86: you have to get root permission before you can save any changes
[11:39] <riccardo> sorry so I'll explain in english
[11:39] <donzdc86> yup. and how do i do that?
[11:40] <andreasw> look a view lines above
[11:40] <andreasw> I just explained it ;)
[11:40] <donzdc86> uki
[11:40] <donzdc86> thanks a lot dude. will try. :D
[11:40] <riccardo> I'm trying to update my repository, I have edited my file list in root mode
[11:41] <riccardo> but after this, when I try to send in shell this ----> sudo apt-get update
[11:41] <donzdc86> @andreasw: great help! hehe..
[11:42] <riccardo> the answer is: E: Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)
[11:42] <riccardo> E: Impossibile creare un lock sulla directory di list
[11:42] <andreasw> donzdc86: you need kdesu because you can't edit any system files as normal user so with kdesu you can get root permission
[11:42] <riccardo> any idea how can I do?
[11:43] <hyper_ch> riccardo: do you have adept or synaptic or some software installer open?
[11:43] <riccardo> yes I have adept, I'm using kubuntu
[11:44] <hyper_ch> riccardo: is it open?
[11:44] <riccardo> yes it is
[11:44] <hyper_ch> riccardo: then close it and try sudo apt-get update again
[11:44] <riccardo> ok i try now thanks :)
[11:46] <riccardo> also with adept close the same error
[11:47] <riccardo> how can I resolve?
[11:47] <riccardo> i wan to update also to listen mp3 files
[11:47] <riccardo> :(
[11:47] <hyper_ch> either use adept to update the packages or use ocmmand line but not both at the same time
[11:48] <riccardo> could you pleas explain the correct steps to udate with adept?
[11:49] <riccardo> *update
[11:50] <hyper_ch> !adept | riccardo
[11:50] <ubotu> riccardo: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:50] <Kopec> Hi, happy new year, I just wonder if anybody could help me with the following problem: I have installed kubuntu on IBM Thinkpad notebook and after I have done a regular update through Adept Updater, the X just won't load. The screen freezes just before the login screen would appear. It stays black, but it seems everything else is running on the background, because when i enter my password something is happening. in syslog I've got only kdmgre
[11:50] <Kopec> ion... no (important) errors in Xorg.0.log
[11:50] <riccardo> thanks I've already read this guide but no solution :(
[11:56] <aleksanteri> !kdm
[11:56] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[12:00] <ubuntu> hello
[12:00] <ubuntu> My name's Andrew from Italy
[12:00] <ubuntu> I have a problem mounting a partition
[12:01] <ubuntu> it says "can't find /dev/hdd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[12:01] <ubuntu> this is the command I issued
[12:01] <ubuntu> "sudo mount /dev/cdrw"
[12:02] <ubuntu> anybody got a hint?
[12:04] <sgrover> means you are trying to mount one of the default devices.  You need to change your command a little
[12:04] <sgrover> either specify the actual device AND the directory to mount it to
[12:05] <ubuntu> or...?
[12:05] <sgrover> or, view your /etc/fstab, and see what they call your cd device
[12:05] <sgrover> for instance, it probably isn't "/dev/cdrw".
[12:05] <ubuntu> like "cat /etc/fstab"?
[12:05] <sgrover> maybe "/dev/cdrom"?
[12:05] <ubuntu> nope
[12:05] <sgrover> that's one way, or "less /etc/fstab"
[12:06] <ubuntu> /dev/cdrom is the KUbuntu CD
[12:06] <ubuntu> I'm trying to install Borland Kylix 3
[12:06] <sgrover> you have more than one device?
[12:06] <ubuntu> I simply want to see if it runs and stuff
[12:06] <ubuntu> yes
[12:06] <ubuntu> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[12:06] <ubuntu> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[12:07] <ubuntu> this is my "cat /etc/fstab" result
[12:07] <sgrover> er, have you tried just putting your disk into the drive and see if you get a mounted device on your desktop?
[12:07] <ubuntu> I don't get it
[12:07] <sgrover> or, you can do "media:/" in the address bar of Konqueror and see what media you have available to you.
[12:08] <ubuntu> ok now I got it
[12:08] <ubuntu> KUbuntu signalled it as "Unmounted CD"
[12:08] <sgrover> right click on it and say mount?
[12:08] <ubuntu> now I asked it to open in a new window
[12:08] <ubuntu> it did
[12:08] <sgrover> that should mount it for you.
[12:08] <ubuntu> thank you a thousands
[12:08] <ubuntu> :D
[12:09] <ubuntu> and happy new year :)
[12:09] <sgrover> in the new window, the mounted position is in the address bar
[12:09] <Kopec> hey anybody could give me some hint why can't I boot to KDE, as I mentioned before few lines upper?
[12:10] <sgrover> Kopec, it would seem your xorg.conf is messed up.  (first guess)
[12:10] <ubuntu> Kopec: what ubuntu distro are you using?
[12:10] <wedgeV> anyone here has firefox setup to use Akregator to subscribe to RSS/ATOM feeds?
[12:10] <sgrover> go to a command prompt, login, sudo su, and then check /etc/X11/ - there should be a backup file there
[12:11] <Kopec> ok, i will try to use the backup one...
[12:11] <sgrover> if that doesn't work, backup the current xorg.conf file, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:12] <ubuntu> Kopec: I'm using a KUbuntu live and it works really great
[12:12] <ubuntu> :)
[12:12] <ubuntu> it fights against my Linux inexperience and it's winning as of now
[12:12] <ubuntu> :)
[12:13] <Kopec> ubuntu: yeah, I had live, and it worked great, really great... and even after I installed it on HDD, but after regular Update I cannot get into X
[12:13] <donzdc86> can you guys write on NTFS?
[12:13] <ubuntu> that's dangerous to my knowledge
[12:13] <lenscape> Kopec: are you aware of the ctrl-alt-f1 key sequence to get a text console?
[12:13] <ubuntu> very dangerous :D
[12:14] <wedgeV> works fine for me
[12:14] <donzdc86> @ubuntu: are you referring to my question?
[12:14] <ubuntu> yes donzdc86
[12:14] <lenscape> kubuntu's graphics configuration is fucked. I've always had to configure X by hand with Kubuntu
[12:14] <wedgeV> "deb http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ edgy main" has some ntfs3g packages
[12:15] <wedgeV> which support writing
[12:15] <ubuntu> good to know lenscape
[12:15] <ubuntu> maybe it's a wise idea to keep a backup copy of the XOrg conf file it has generated for the live
[12:15] <ubuntu> :)
[12:15] <donzdc86> is it safe?
[12:16] <wedgeV> donzdc86: well, its supposed to be safe
[12:16] <Lynoure> !fuse | donzdc86
[12:16] <ubotu> donzdc86: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:16] <wedgeV> donzdc86: i've used it with no problems so far
[12:16] <sivaji_2009> what is computer virus means
[12:16] <gnomefreak> donzdc86: its very unsafe and not supported yet
[12:17] <Kopec> sgrover: didn't help, is there another way of getting some old working conf file rather that writing my own?
[12:17] <Kopec> lenscape: yeah, I am aware of that ;-) although doesn't work once it's "fucked"
[12:17] <sgrover> lenscape - sounds like you have some unusual hardware that isn't being detected properly.  It happens sometimes.
[12:17] <donzdc86> hmm.. what possible problems could it cause me?
[12:18] <lenscape> sgrover: just dual head. Not that unusual
[12:18] <wedgeV> actually, read http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
[12:18] <sgrover> manually building your own file is good in a bunch of ways, but a lot of work.
[12:18] <sgrover> what hardware?
[12:18] <donzdc86> destruction of my NT File System?
[12:18] <Kopec> sgrover: mean graphics? some integrated S3 Savage card
[12:18] <lenscape> sgrover: two different cards: Matrox and nVidia. Kubuntu could configure neither with dual-head.
[12:19] <ubuntu> donzdc86: I've read that it's far from being stable
[12:19] <ubuntu> go guessing
[12:19] <ubuntu> :)
[12:19] <sgrover> Kopec - backup the xorg.conf file, then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", then answer the questions that pop up
[12:19] <lenscape> Kopec: that's very strange. I've never been unable to use ctrl-alt-f1 if X wouldn't start.
[12:19] <wedgeV> ubuntu: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
[12:19] <donzdc86> i'll read on wedgeV's link
[12:20] <sgrover> lenscape: I have no experience (yet) w/ dual-head, but have heard lots of folks grumbling about xorg configs for it.
[12:20] <sgrover> so chances are it's a dual head issue, rather than a simple vid card driver issue.
[12:20] <sgrover> but it sounds like you have a handle on it, so the conversation isn't needed?? :)
[12:21] <ubuntu> wonderful
[12:21] <sgrover> Kopec, you may need to hit the web to get the vertical/horizontal refresh rates for the monitor on your system - getting these messed up can cause problems like you've described.
[12:21] <ubuntu> the installer crashed :)
[12:21] <manu_> hi
[12:22] <sgrover> ubuntu - the ubuntu installer? or the Kylix installer?
[12:22] <ubuntu> ubuntu installer
[12:22] <ubuntu> :)
[12:22] <Kopec> sgrover: i will do my best in finding the right values to fill ;-)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> !wine
[12:24] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:24] <ubuntu> how do I submit a bug to LaunchPad?=
[12:25] <crimsun> ubuntu, against which source package?
[12:25] <crimsun> ubuntu, I recommend you use https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[12:26] <ubuntu> ok I noticed an url
[12:27] <ubuntu> the problem occurred to ubiquity
[12:27] <ubuntu> it simply crashes all the time
[12:27] <ubuntu> maybe I should restart KUbuntu and try again?
[12:27] <crimsun> are you using 6.10?
[12:28] <ubuntu> how can I fetch the ubuntu version?
[12:29] <crimsun> lsb_release -r
[12:29] <ubuntu> yes
[12:29] <ubuntu> 6.10
[12:29] <ubuntu> lsb = linux standard base?
[12:29] <crimsun> you can try the alternate installer, I suppose
[12:29] <ubuntu> uhm
[12:29] <crimsun> (yes)
[12:30] <ubuntu> which is...? :D
[12:30] <kraut> moin
[12:30] <ubuntu> ./moin?
[12:30] <fdoving> !alternate
[12:30] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[12:31] <sivaji_2009> how virus works
[12:31] <ubuntu> sivaji_2009: get infected and you'll find out
[12:31] <ubuntu> :)
[12:31] <ubuntu> ah
[12:32] <ubuntu> so I guess I have to download an iso and then burn it?
[12:32] <sivaji_2009> linux cannot be infected by any virus
[12:32] <fdoving> guess so.
[12:32] <ubuntu> sivaji_2009: just use Windows :)
[12:33] <ubuntu> besides, saying that "Linux cannot be infected by any virus" is entirely incorrect,imho
[12:33] <sivaji_2009> our os will be in binary format am i correct
[12:33] <sivaji_2009> our os will be in binary format am i correct only then i can be executed
[12:33] <lenscape> sivaji_2009: that is not so and is dangerously naive
[12:34] <ubuntu> ok
[12:34] <ubuntu> I got to go for a while
[12:34] <ubuntu> will be back later
[12:34] <lenscape> sivaji_2009: as soon as someone writes a Linux virus, people will get infected by it.
[12:34] <ubuntu> thank you all for the help till now
[12:34] <ubuntu> will bother you some more :)
[12:34] <ubuntu> Happy new year to all if we don't happen to catch each other any earlier
[12:35] <sivaji_2009> how it is possible to add piece of code to already compiled program
[12:35] <Lynoure> lenscape: there are Linux worms at least already. They are just not common.
[12:36] <sivaji_2009> how it is possible to add piece of code to already compiled program(virus)
[12:36] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: easily
[12:36] <lenscape> sivaji_2009: no problem. Or simply replace it
[12:37] <Kopec> aaaargh I've gone through entire xorg.conf configuration and.... it doesn't help :-D i just wonder if reinstalling entire Kubuntu wouldn't be easier way
[12:38] <lenscape> Kopec: at the top of the xorg.conf file is the name of the program that created it. (dexconf). Look into that.
[12:39] <sivaji_2009> windows does not reveal souce code but it can be affected by virus on the otherside linux reveals souce code y it is not affected by virus
[12:39] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: wrong
[12:40] <sivaji_2009> can u get me
[12:40] <sivaji_2009> is my question is correct ?
[12:41] <CVirus> sivaji_2009: it's not about source code ... its about the security system used by that particular OS
[12:41] <Kopec> sivaji_2009: if I ever make a virus I would make it for Windows, because I don't care about linux users, which are in minority AND are able to configure their firewalls,but about milions of windows users, which will run my exe file by themselves if I tell them it's a new wallpaper.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> sivaji_2009: the way unix's file system is set up its hard to write a virus to affect it
[12:41] <lenscape> gnomefreak: not so
[12:42] <fdoving> the big difference is that most windows users run all programs as administrator/root.
[12:42] <lenscape> gnomefreak: get root. Write anywhere.
[12:42] <fdoving> In linux that is not the case.
[12:42] <CVirus> sivaji_2009: most of the time you're using a normal user account, not root ... so .. if a virus hits you, it wont do much damage at all
[12:42] <wedgeV> well, actually its pretty easy..., just put a interesting .deb somewhere, and people will install it
[12:42] <lenscape> wedgeV: quite.
[12:42] <Kopec> lenscape: what do I do with it?
[12:42] <fdoving> linux virus history -> http://www-math.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/bliss/
[12:42] <Kopec> lenscape: the xorg.conf header
[12:43] <wedgeV> CVirus: it can remove all your files
[12:43] <wedgeV> i consider that as a lot of damage
[12:43] <CVirus> wedgeV: why dont you have backups ?
[12:43] <lenscape> Kopec: dexconf --help
[12:43] <wedgeV> i have
[12:43] <wedgeV> ;)
[12:43] <CVirus> wedgeV: thats it :-)
[12:43] <aleksanteri> !karamba
[12:43] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[12:44] <CVirus> I'm not saying that Linux is 100% immune against viruses
[12:44] <wedgeV> its the same with windows
[12:44] <CVirus> a smart user could make any OS immune against viruses
[12:44] <wedgeV> if you know what you do, your safe
[12:44] <wedgeV> most of the time
[12:44] <CVirus> exactly
[12:45] <lenscape> CVirus: its not possible to make a system 100% immune to viruses
[12:45] <gnomefreak> lenscape: root wouldnt affect if a virus can infect you. if it needs to be run with root its fairly simple for it to
[12:45] <lenscape> CVirus: there's always the human element
[12:46] <sivaji_2009> how it is possible to add piece if code to already compiled program (that too we are aware of internal operations,and we r not aware of  language in which it is written ) in this condition how it is possible to add i am talking about windows os
[12:46] <lenscape> gnomefreak: a virus doesn't need root to spread. It depends what it does. It could simply be a script called by your .bashrc file, for example.
[12:46] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: ...
[12:47] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: binary patching
[12:47] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: just replace the executable
[12:47] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: whatever
[12:47] <fdoving> gnomefreak: that's not true. the vital difference win vs. lin, is exactly that barrier, windows users run everything as root, linux users usually doesn't.
[12:47] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: a executable is just a file after all
[12:47] <gnomefreak> fdoving: su == run everything as root
[12:47] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: and you know that it is possible to change files i suppose
[12:47] <fdoving> gnomefreak: you have to know the password. and the virus doesn't.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> su only have to enter password once
[12:48] <lenscape> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus
[12:48] <lenscape> a few here could benefit from getting clued-up, maybe.
[12:48] <sivaji_2009> virus can affect if we are in administrator mode am i correct ?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> and mac OSX you have a user with root privledges as does win
[12:49] <wedgeV> well a virus could just place a "su" replacement in your home dir, and change your shell to call that instead of /usr/bin/su
[12:49] <fdoving> gnomefreak: suDO in ubuntu, remembers the password. but only for the current shell session. the design isn't that sloppy.
[12:49] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: it can effect the system when your are root
[12:49] <fdoving> wedgeV: doesn't matter, you need the password.
[12:49] <lenscape> the whole sudo thing is broken. I set a root password and use root when I need it.
[12:50] <wedgeV> fdoving: yea, but when you call "su" you enter the password
[12:50] <gnomefreak> fdoving: windows vs linux not ubuntu and sodu is not more secure than su
[12:50] <fdoving> wedgeV: unless the program is setuid root, which you need root privileges to set.
[12:50] <wedgeV> but su is a maleware storing your password for the virus
[12:50] <fdoving> wedgeV: true.
[12:50] <wedgeV> then it has the password
[12:50] <sivaji_2009> ok come for entertainment my media player does not supports .wmv format what should i do
[12:51] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: VLC supports wmv i think
[12:51] <sivaji_2009> i got vlc also but it does not supports wmv ver 9
[12:52] <crazy_bus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281823  I was following this guide to get newer versions of my linux nvidia drive to try and fix a problem.  However now when X tries to load it just cancels and goes to a terminal instead.  Can anyone help fix this?
[12:52] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: i think the latest version does
[12:52] <sivaji_2009> how to update it
[12:53] <wedgeV> add "http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ edgy-plf free non-free" to your repositories
[12:53] <wedgeV> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[12:54] <wedgeV> oh, no, sorry
[12:54] <sivaji_2009> VLC media player 0.8.4 (wxWidgets interface) is it old version
[12:54] <wedgeV> thats just for libdvdcss it seems
[12:54] <sivaji_2009> what appen
[12:54] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: yes, you need 0.8.6 for wmv9
[12:56] <Kopec> lenscape: hey I'm givin' up... I will try complete reinstall tomorrow. enjoy the rest of the year!
[12:59] <crazy_bus> Does anyone know about that guide?
[01:00] <wedgeV> crazy_bus: look at you X log in /var/log
[01:02] <crazy_bus> What for?
[01:06] <Koshtan> hi yaall
[01:09] <crazy_bus> Im in my xorg.conf, how do I change it to use nv drivers, so I can log in and fix the problem?
[01:11] <wedgeV> crazy_bus: Section Device
[01:11] <wedgeV> Driver
[01:11] <tex4ever> ciao a tutti
[01:12] <crazy_bus> thank you I just found it
[01:12] <tex4ever> hi to all
[01:12] <tex4ever> anyone can support my in the kernel process compile?
[01:12] <tex4ever> I'm getting crazy!!!
[01:13] <tex4ever> why make command give me an error?
[01:13] <wedgeV> what error
[01:14] <tex4ever> ok
[01:14] <tex4ever> make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'.  Stop.
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <tex4ever> 
[01:14] <wedgeV> umm, dont paste into the channel but message me instead
[01:15] <wedgeV> tex4ever: is that all the output you get?
[01:18] <sivaji_2009> what is dapper , breezey
[01:19] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: older versions of ubuntu
[01:19] <wedgeV> the current one is called "edgy"
[01:19] <sivaji_2009> how to use version that i m using
[01:20] <sivaji_2009> how to see version that i m using
[01:20] <wedgeV> you can look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:22] <sivaji_2009> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied what should i do
[01:22] <wedgeV> less /etc/apt/sources/list
[01:22] <wedgeV> less /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <wedgeV> you can also do "cat /etc/issue"
[01:24] <sivaji_2009> i could see only repository there
[01:24] <wedgeV> it will say the version number
[01:24] <wedgeV> does it contain dapper or edgy?
[01:25] <tex4ever> hi
[01:25] <wedgeV> "lsb_release -a" probably works too
[01:25] <tex4ever> sorry ,I encountred a issue
[01:25] <tex4ever> for me?
[01:25] <wedgeV> no
[01:25] <tex4ever> sorry
[01:25] <wedgeV> for sivaji_2009:
[01:26] <tex4ever> regarding my make-issue?
[01:26] <sivaji_2009> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <sivaji_2009> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[01:26] <sivaji_2009> deb http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[01:26] <sivaji_2009> deb-src http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[01:26] <sivaji_2009> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[01:26] <sivaji_2009> ## distribution.
[01:26] <wedgeV> are you following some guide?
[01:26] <tex4ever> yes
[01:26] <wedgeV> which one
[01:26] <tex4ever> bur nothing to do!
[01:26] <tex4ever> acrually I have Kubuntu 6.10
[01:26] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: you are running ubuntu dapper
[01:28] <wedgeV> tex4ever: which guide?
[01:28] <tex4ever> wiki.ubuntu
[01:28] <sivaji_2009> is dapper is older ?
[01:28] <VincentMX> can anybody help me? i have problems installing the ati driver
[01:28] <tex4ever> and other guides on the net
[01:28] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: yes, edgy is the newest release, dapper is one release older
[01:28] <tex4ever> the procedures was the same
[01:28] <Lynoure> sivaji_2009: Older, but long term supported
[01:29] <ZeroSystem> i installed kubunta recently but my wireless adapter keeps being disabled, i installed driver and ndiswrapper but when i enable the driver it gets diabled automaticly
[01:29] <wedgeV> tex4ever: did you install all required packages to build a kernel?
[01:29] <tex4ever> the big problem is make
[01:29] <wedgeV> VincentMX: what problem?
[01:30] <tex4ever> the make command give me the follow error : no rule to make target config
[01:30] <sivaji_2009> how do know required package
[01:31] <sivaji_2009> how do i  know required package
[01:31] <wedgeV> tex4ever: in what directory do you run 'make'?
[01:31] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: for what?
[01:31] <tex4ever> in the /usr/src
[01:31] <sivaji_2009> at end of 2009 i will hold a B.E  degree
[01:32] <wedgeV> well, thats wrong
[01:32] <tex4ever> really?
[01:32] <sivaji_2009> what is make
[01:32] <wedgeV> tex4ever: you need to run it from where you extracted the kernel sources too
[01:32] <wedgeV> to
[01:32] <tex4ever> right this is the dir in wich I've extracted the kernel!
[01:33] <wedgeV> tex4ever: extracting in /usr/src should have created a /usr/src/linux-... directory
[01:33] <tex4ever> ...
[01:34] <tex4ever> but I don't have the linux dir...
[01:34] <tex4ever> I'll try to remake the process
[01:34] <tex4ever> many many thanks for your support
[01:34] <wedgeV> ok ;)
[01:34] <tex4ever> have a nice day!
[01:34] <wedgeV> you too
[01:35] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: make is used to compile programs
[01:35] <sivaji_2009> which language does it comiles
[01:36] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: it isnt a compiler for a specific language, it rather manages the compilation and linking of several files
[01:36] <wedgeV> sivaji_2009: you can read "man make"
[01:37] <sivaji_2009> ok
[01:37] <Bubba_Gump> firestarter picks up UDP bitTorrent events, even though i have restarted and have yet to open ktorrent. any way of stopping these?
[01:38] <ubuntu> it's a great distro
[01:38] <ubuntu> I just wish the installer worked
[01:40] <mots> hi, i have a problem with qt-apps and umlauts
[01:40] <mots> they all look garbled for me
[01:40] <mots> keyboard is set to germany
[01:41] <VincentMX> wedgeV: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/848405 <-- this problem  :)
[01:41] <mots> any help?
[01:42] <mots> if i use kopete, the others also see garbage
[01:42] <wedgeV> VincentMX: can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin?
[01:42] <mots> but if i use konversation, the others see it just fine
[01:42] <mots_kopete> looks like this : ?
[01:43] <mots> no ideas?
[01:43] <ubuntu> hey
[01:43] <ubuntu> I found out that I have adept-installer installed
[01:43] <ubuntu> how can I run it?
[01:44] <wedgeV> mots: nope
[01:44] <wedgeV> mots: did you search the ubuntu forums?
[01:45] <mots> wedgeV: didn't find anything
[01:46] <wedgeV> mots: do you have the problem in all qt applications?
[01:46] <mots> yeah, but only if i use kde
[01:46] <mots> if i use gnome, everything is fine
[01:46] <wedgeV> mots: i have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and they work fine for me
[01:47] <wedgeV> mots: it looks like qt doesnt use utf-8 for you, while it should
[01:47] <wedgeV> mots: no idea what might cause this thouh
[01:50] <alwa> hello
[01:59] <nok> how to find the kernel panic messages, I can only see it when I am in a console, not in kde.
[02:06] <jonah1980> hey guys, doesn anyone know what the problem is with the ubuntu channel??
[02:06] <riccardo_> hi to everyboy
[02:07] <riccardo_> anyone could hepl me with repository in kubuntu?
[02:07] <sivaji_> how to add repositary to adept
[02:07] <riccardo_> i have changed my list and i send the command to update
[02:08] <riccardo_> and I've downloaded only a part
[02:08] <riccardo_> because after was stopped because said Err with the connection about the url
[02:09] <riccardo_> and now near the clock in th tool bar I've one icon that say that I've 96 possible udate
[02:09] <riccardo_> *update
[02:09] <riccardo_> because I've downloaded only this part
[02:10] <riccardo_> and I'm not be able to install it
[02:10] <riccardo_> :(
[02:16] <sivaji_> tell me how to add repositories
[02:21] <CVirus> !reository
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reository - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <CVirus> !repository
[02:21] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:22] <CVirus> !apt
[02:22] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:22] <CVirus> sivaji_2009: ^
[02:28] <Bubba_Gump> how do i change the default pdf viewer?
[02:29] <manu_> hi
[02:32] <fdoving> Bubba_Gump: konq -> settings -> configure konq. -> file associationss -> search for 'pdf', it's under applications. select it, and add/move your prefered pdf viewer to the top of the list.
[02:32] <Bubba_Gump> thanks :)
[02:34] <fdoving> Bubba_Gump: also, you might want to have a look at the embeded tab, select whether or not viewing pdfs should be embedded into konq or shown in a external viewer.
[02:34] <Bubba_Gump> yeah i'm thinking konq
[02:34] <Bubba_Gump> much more easier for me that way :)
[02:34] <Bubba_Gump> thanks again :)
[02:35] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[03:04] <|tex4ever|> hi guys
[03:05] <andreasw> hi |tex4ever|
[03:05] <ForgeAus> hey all HAPPY NEW YEAR!
[03:06] <andreasw> hi 3 pm here ^^
[03:06] <ForgeAus> can anyone give me some insight into the directory structure linux uses? how I'd might start to get to know where to find stuff?
[03:07] <andreasw> ForgeAus: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilestruct.html
[03:07] <ForgeAus> I know theres var/cache which is where apt packages are downloaded to, I know theres /usr/bin where many executables reside, what else?
[03:07] <ForgeAus> thanx andreasw :)
[03:09] <ajopaul_> i hv two sound cards how do i make one default?
[03:11] <bobby> is there a way to install the dutch dictionaries for OOo trough the packagemanager?
[03:12] <cafenet69> a
[03:12] <cafenet69> sasa
[03:12] <cafenet69> dadad
[03:13] <bobby> the openoffice.org-l10n-nl seems to select hunspell-dictionary-nl and myspell-dictionary-nl but these packages are non existend
[03:16] <ms__> have you updated your packet lists?
[03:16] <bobby> yes i have
[03:16] <ms__> hm, strange
[03:16] <bobby> check them out for yourself
[03:16] <ubuntu> hello
[03:16] <ubuntu> I'm finally installing KUbuntu
[03:17] <ubuntu> restarting it proved correct :)
[03:17] <bobby> i also noted that there are no myspell-dictionary-* packages but there are myspell-*
[03:17] <bobby> however not the nl
[03:18] <bobby> ms__: could you give it a try and see if you get the same result?
[03:19] <ms__> yes i tried, seems you have a problem because you are right. there is no nl spellchecker
[03:20] <bert_> hello
[03:20] <bobby> well manual install it is than
[03:20] <ms__> openoffice.org-l10n-nl is only the interface :(
[03:20] <bobby> i know both myspell and hunspell dicts are available
[03:20] <bert_> install webcam???
[03:21] <bert_> kan iemand mij helpen...????
[03:21] <bobby> bert_: maybe but keep it in english please
[03:22] <bobby> bert_: what webcam do you have?
[03:22] <bert_i> i have a trust spacecam 320
[03:23] <bobby> i will have to check it but i have the same and when i tryed it there where no linux drivers supporting that one
[03:23] <bert_i> i have install the driver 0v51x
[03:23] <bert_i> but i have no dev/video0
[03:24] <bobby> what does lsmod say?
[03:24] <ms__> i have found myspell-nl :)
[03:24] <bobby> ms__: where?
[03:25] <bobby> and how do i get it in apt?
[03:25] <bert_i> ac                      6788  0
[03:25] <bert_i> sg                     37404  0
[03:25] <bert_i> sd_mod                 22656  2
[03:25] <ms__> searched with aptitude but apt-get myspell-nl should also work
[03:25] <bert_i> af_packet              24584  4
[03:26] <bobby> bert no not everything!
[03:26] <bert_i> lp                     12964  0
[03:26] <bert_i> snd_usb_audio          80416  0
[03:26] <bert_i> snd_usb_lib            18816  1 snd_usb_audio
[03:26] <bobby> just the driver
[03:26] <bert_i> usblp                  15488  0
[03:26] <bXi> is there some kde app which allows me to see any available wireless networks?
[03:26] <ms__> apt-get install myspell-nl
[03:26] <bert_i> ov51x                  98244  1 ov519_decomp
[03:26] <bert_i> videodev               10752  1 ov51x
[03:26] <bert_i> e100                   38020  0
[03:26] <bert_i> snd_cmipci             38304  1
[03:26] <bert_i> snd_intel8x0           34844  2
[03:26] <bert_i> snd_ac97_codec         97696  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:26] <bert_i> snd_ac97_bus            3456  1 s
[03:26] <bobby> ms__: i dont have that package
[03:27] <bobby> E: Kon pakket myspell-nl niet vinden
[03:27] <bobby> you probably know what that means
[03:28] <ms__> bobby: which entries do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:29] <bert_i> what was that
[03:29] <bert_i> i fliop out
[03:29] <bobby> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[03:29] <bobby> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[03:29] <bert_i> the driver in lsmod was thare
[03:30] <bert_i> ov51x
[03:30] <bobby> bert_i: yes i saw
[03:30] <bobby> videodev loaded it aswell
[03:30] <angasule> what's a good SVG editor, preferrably for KDE? inkscape looks nice but for gnome
[03:30] <bert_i> yes
[03:30] <ubuntu> can KUbuntu be used as server?
[03:31] <bert_i> but how can i make dev/video0
[03:31] <bobby> do this: dmesg | grep ov51
[03:31] <bobby> videodev should make it for you\
[03:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:31] <bobby>  s
[03:32] <bobby> ms__: i also have the
[03:32] <bobby> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[03:32] <bobby> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[03:32] <zorglu_> angasule: none, inkscape is the 'standard' on linux in general
[03:32] <bobby> ms__: what do you have?
[03:32] <guastafierro> ciao raga
[03:32] <guastafierro> sono nuovo
[03:32] <guastafierro> ci sta qualc'uno che parla iatliano
[03:32] <zorglu_> !it | guastafierro
[03:32] <ubotu> guastafierro: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:32] <bert_i> i see usbcore: registered new driver ov51x
[03:33] <ms__> bobby: don't know exactly but perhaps your package is in 'universe' just give it a try
[03:33] <bobby> universe multiverse?
[03:33] <zorglu_> !info myspell-nl
[03:33] <ubotu> myspell-nl: Dutch dictionary for myspell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.1e-42 (edgy), package size 496 kB, installed size 1592 kB
[03:33] <bobby> ah
[03:33] <bobby> so i simply put those words after restricted?
[03:34] <ms__> i hava all repos 'main restricted universe multiverse'
[03:34] <ms__> bobby: correctly
[03:34] <manu_> have strange problem, in my kde colors all text is white, when i go on a website where text is black it is white , in konqueror it isnt so, someone can help to make the black fonts in ff black?
[03:34] <bobby> ms__: im a debian noob so didn't even know about /etc/apt/sources.lst
[03:35] <ms__> no problem :)
[03:35] <zorglu_> !repository
[03:35] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:35] <BluesKaj> still trying to get dir rendering to work but no luck ...been following the instructions on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a  ,but they aren't working for me. :(
[03:36] <bobby> tnx zorglu_, ms__
[03:36] <zorglu_> no problem
[03:37] <ms__> BluesKaj: what does Xorg.0.log say?
[03:37] <bert_i> hy bobby can i chat private for a few minit for my webcam
[03:38] <bobby> sure
[03:39] <bert_i> o i must register
[03:39] <BluesKaj> ms__, command not found
[03:40] <bobby> yes same here
[03:40] <ms__> thats no command
[03:40] <bert_i> where can i register
[03:40] <zorglu_> !register | bert_i
[03:40] <ubotu> bert_i: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:40] <ms__> its a logfile /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:41] <BluesKaj> ms__, sudo modprobe gives me this : "Not loading fglrx module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[03:42] <ms__> then you have to add the driver there
[03:43] <BluesKaj> so i just add it in the Module section with " load fglrx"
[03:43] <zorglu_> !ati
[03:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <zorglu_> i guess you read this one ?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:43] <ms__> no, either you use 'sudo aticonfig --initial' or manually
[03:43] <zorglu_> ok :)
[03:44] <bert_i> hy bobby you say dmesg | grep ov51
[03:44] <bert_i> what can i see??
[03:44] <ms__> he has already posted that link zorglu_ ;)
[03:44] <bobby__> bert_i: normly stuff the driver prints on load
[03:44] <bert_i> USB OV519 video device found
[03:45] <bobby__> there you have your error message
[03:45] <bert_i> Sensor is an OV7648
[03:45] <bobby__> i mean your load message
[03:45] <bert_i> Device at usb-0000:02:0a.0-3.4 registered to minor 0
[03:46] <bert_i> v1.65-1.11-mark : ov51x USB Camera Driver
[03:46] <bobby__> does it also say what device it made?
[03:46] <bert_i> OV519 JPEG Decompression Module
[03:46] <bert_i> now
[03:46] <bobby__> try dmesg | grep videodev
[03:47] <bert_i> it say nothing
[03:47] <bert_i> it is ok???
[03:47] <bobby__> that is odd
[03:48] <endo602> Howdy.  I was wondering if someone can help me installing and using pftpfxp-mew?
[03:48] <bobby__> try dmesg | grep video0
[03:49] <bert_i> it say also nothing
[03:49] <bobby__> i have a different webcam one that is not yet supported so i do not have any experience with it i cant help you any further
[03:49] <bobby__> try to find someelse with a spacecam there should be more than one
[03:49] <bert_i> yesterday i try and i see it xawtv whit my webcam but now nothing
[03:49] <cathal> how come amarok 1.4.4 is available for edgy on their website but in the repositories i only have 1.4.3?
[03:50] <bobby__> cathal: did you update
[03:51] <cathal> im running edgy if thats what u mean
[03:51] <zorglu_> !info amarok
[03:51] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[03:51] <dvheumen> hi everyone. Does someone know how to disable the KDED Media Manager? it won' t respond to simply clicking the 'Stop' button (all other services do)
[03:51] <endo602> anyone have any experience with pftp-mew?
[03:51] <andreasw> is the ubuntu irc server somehow linked with freenode?
[03:51] <bert_i> hwo can i connect auto whit my wireless assistant
[03:51] <bobby__> cathal: no that is not what i ment i ment apt-get update
[03:52] <bert_i> i must clik on my linksys (otherwise now internet)
[03:53] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:53] <cathal> bobby_: yea i have. looking at !info amarok it also says 1.4.3. Maybe it should be a question for the amarok guys?
[03:53] <zorglu_> cathal: they need to update the pacakge in the repository
[03:53] <andreasw> slow-motion: hi
[03:53] <bobby__> yes i see i have it too but ubotu shows that 1.4.3 is the latest
[03:53] <zorglu_> cathal: this takes time and apparently nobody had this time for now
[03:54] <slow-motion> hi andreasw
[03:56] <bert__> is there anyboddy whit webcam
[03:56] <zorglu_> !webcam
[03:56] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:57] <BluesKaj> fglrx info = Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"....strange ?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> weird cuz following the instructions worked previously , shouldn't have updated the kernel i guess
[04:00] <endo602> anyone have any experience with pftp-mew?
[04:01] <ms__> BluesKaj: check your xorg.conf for 'Load "dri"'
[04:01] <zorglu_> endo602: what is pftp-mew ?
[04:01] <endo602> its an ftp client
[04:01] <zorglu_> ok
[04:01] <ms__> !info pftp-mew
[04:01] <ubotu> Package pftp-mew does not exist in any distro I know
[04:02] <ms__> :)
[04:02] <BluesKaj> ms__, in "modules" ?
[04:02] <ubuntu> ok
[04:03] <ubuntu> I give up installing KUbuntu :-(
[04:03] <zorglu_> you miss something :)
[04:03] <ubuntu> it's too complicated
[04:03] <ms__> BluesKaj: yes, 'Section "Modules"'
[04:03] <ubuntu> I'm trying to partition but it seems I never get it right
[04:04] <endo602> for some reason my openssl is installed but not registering
[04:04] <zorglu_> !partition
[04:04] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:04] <ms__> ubuntu: what gets wrong?
[04:04] <zorglu_> maouaou what a good tips :)
[04:04] <ubuntu> the installer is kind of messed up
[04:04] <fdoving> endo602: you probably need the libssl-dev package.
[04:05] <ubuntu> first of all it doesn't display well
[04:05] <BluesKaj> yeah ms__, it 's not there , so I add it then ?
[04:05] <ubuntu> all controls are grouped together and it's impossible to distinguish among them
[04:05] <ubuntu> labels and controls are messed up
[04:05] <endo602> fdoving thanks
[04:05] <zorglu_> ubuntu: which version are your trying to install ?
[04:05] <endo602> ill try that
[04:05] <ubuntu> 6.10
[04:06] <ms__> BluesKaj: please try it :)
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> personally I find the text mode install easier, and it's been around a lot longer so it's more bug-free.
[04:06] <zorglu_> ubuntu: seems weird, i mean if the installer was so bad you wont be the only one to complain :)
[04:06] <ubuntu> well, I've installed Linux a few times in the past
[04:06] <ubuntu> this is the first time I'm having such issues
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu: what graphics card do you have?
[04:07] <zorglu_> maybe a very low resolution ?
[04:07] <ubuntu> on the contrary
[04:07] <ubuntu> it's 1280x1024
[04:07] <BluesKaj> nope ms__, it's still missing
[04:08] <zorglu_> so i dont get it, the kind of bug you described show a bug in the gui itself, aka something which is the same for everybody
[04:08] <zorglu_> so it should show on most people install the same bug
[04:08] <zorglu_> but it doesnt, as far as i know
[04:08] <ubuntu> well zorglu_, I'm not one who complains just for the sake of it
[04:08] <ubuntu> it displays here
[04:09] <ms__> BluesKaj: check '/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/'
[04:09] <zorglu_> ubuntu: i believe you
[04:09] <ubuntu> and I already reported the installer crashing earlier
[04:09] <ms__> are the fglrx modules there?
[04:09] <ubuntu> I reported it to launchpad
[04:09] <zorglu_> ubuntu: just seems weird to me
[04:10] <BluesKaj> ms__,, folder doesn't exist
[04:10] <zorglu_> ubuntu: on the other hand i run on dapper, exactly for this reason, aka avoiding such problem :)
[04:10] <ubuntu> well, I know that some bugs won't be pinpointed in a timely fashion
[04:10] <ubuntu> and that not all people show the same bugs
[04:10] <ubuntu> but here we go
[04:10] <ubuntu> I mean
[04:10] <jlowell> I know this isnt safe, but does anyone know how to stop kdesu from asking for a password?
[04:10] <ubuntu> it's happening here :)
[04:10] <unix_infidel> is there a package called fluxbox-desktop?
[04:10] <unix_infidel> that installs all needed X components along with flux?
[04:11] <zorglu_> ubuntu: hmm have you tried to install 'ubuntu' gnome stuff, and then update to kubuntu ?
[04:11] <zorglu_> ubuntu: as a workaround
[04:11] <ubuntu> no zorglu_, I'm on a KUbuntu live CD
[04:11] <zorglu_> ubuntu: it may be an option
[04:11] <ubuntu> it's frustrating
[04:11] <ubuntu> :D
[04:11] <ubuntu> lol
[04:12] <zorglu_> :)
[04:12] <ubuntu> well, being a programmer myself, I know how these things go I mean
[04:12] <ubuntu> ok, I'll try mandriva now
[04:12] <ubuntu> see if it installs fine
[04:13] <zorglu_> hehe :)
[04:13] <andreasw> I tried to encode an avi file to mpeg2 with
[04:13] <andreasw> transcode -i test.avi -o test.mpg -y mpeg2enc -F 4 -N 0x50
[04:13] <andreasw> but I get the error that the audio codec isn't supported by the encoder
[04:13] <ubuntu> then when I'll be "bolder" I'll try again with KUbuntu
[04:13] <ms__> BluesKaj: maybe you will try to install the fglrx source an compile the module by yourself?
[04:13] <ubuntu> which is fantastic btw
[04:13] <ubuntu> I mean
[04:13] <ubuntu> I love it as interface, programs, all
[04:13] <zorglu_> you mean except the installer ? :)
[04:13] <ubuntu> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[04:13] <ubuntu> :D
[04:14] <ubuntu> I was actually going to suggest it to a friend
[04:14] <ubuntu> but given these issues, I can't right now
[04:14] <ubuntu> :)
[04:14] <PhinnFort> where can i bug the kubuntu kernel maintainers?
[04:14] <ubuntu> it's not adviceable to bug them
[04:15] <ubuntu> they could fix you
[04:15] <ubuntu> :P
[04:15] <ubuntu> lol
[04:15] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:15] <ubuntu> ok peers
[04:15] <ubuntu> happy new year
[04:15] <BluesKaj> yeah ms__ , that might be the way to do it , altho the ATI fglrx driver is listed in my sys/settings/monitor display driver
[04:15] <PhinnFort> it's several hours left
[04:15] <ubuntu> in case we don't catch earlier
[04:15] <ubuntu> :)
[04:15] <PhinnFort> rotfl: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-clusterfuck
[04:16] <endo602> what would i get this error when trying to compile something? error: FALSE was not declared in this scope
[04:16] <ms__> BluesKaj: seems not completely installed, so i suggest manual install :/
[04:17] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:17] <PhinnFort> happy new year
[04:17] <BluesKaj> ok, will try it
[04:17] <ubuntu> lmao
[04:17] <ubuntu> very cool link :)
[04:17] <PhinnFort> so far only one of the kernel devs i've whoised is online, and he isn't in any channels
[04:17] <ubuntu> avoiding lusers? :D
[04:18] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:18] <PhinnFort> they've probably hidden their channel
[04:18] <ubuntu> ok am going now, have fun :)
[04:18] <PhinnFort> tired of converted gentoo ricers coming with silly suggestions
[04:18] <PhinnFort> you too
[04:18] <PhinnFort> happy new year, again
[04:19] <ms__> thanks PhinnFort, same to you :)
[04:20] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:21] <PhinnFort> whoohoo
[04:21] <PhinnFort> found their channel
[04:21] <PhinnFort> no kubuntu specific channel though
[04:22] <ms__> lets hear
[04:23] <hyper_ch> !ipv6
[04:23] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[04:24] <endo602> what would i get this error when trying to compile something? error: FALSE was not declared in this scope
[04:24] <ms__> endo602: missed an include?
[04:25] <endo602> can it be that i didnt install correct pkgs?
[04:26] <bobby__> what is the recomended video player for kubuntu (or kde for that matter)
[04:26] <endo602> vlc
[04:27] <akrus> mplayer!
[04:27] <zorglu_> well it is kaffeine
[04:27] <akrus> kaffeine is okay too :)
[04:27] <gjohnston> yeah kaffeine or vlc
[04:27] <bobby__> ah yes kaffeine came with it
[04:27] <PhinnFort> codeine
[04:27] <[BTF] Chm0d> happy new year everyone Ill probably be off here for the rest of the day
[04:27] <PhinnFort> codeine pwns very, very hard
[04:27] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:27] <ms__> endo602: of course you need all dev-packages
[04:28] <endo602> for gcc?
[04:28] <endo602> or qt4 also?
[04:28] <ms__> depends on the program you want to compile
[04:29] <endo602> pftp-mew
[04:29] <binks> anyone anygood with mp3 players it will mount but cant write to it any ideas
[04:29] <fdoving> endo602: where can i find this pftp-mew program?
[04:30] <fdoving> endo602: if you point me to it, i'll guide you through compiling.
[04:30] <endo602> look for pftp-shit
[04:30] <bobby__> binks: what error mesage did you get?
[04:30] <endo602> google
[04:30] <fdoving> endo602: can you give me a direct link please?
[04:30] <endo602> sure
[04:30] <endo602> sorry
[04:30] <bobby__> it is most likely a permisions thing
[04:31] <binks> just a sec ill reconnect it
[04:31] <endo602> http://www.derijk.org/pftp/
[04:31] <bobby__> is it a standard usbmassdevice thingy?
[04:33] <binks> hmmwell ive been out for lunch come back home and now it works hmmm
[04:33] <bobby__> miracle works
[04:33] <binks> i have no idea what happend must be roeboot that did it
[04:34] <endo602> fdoving you get it?
[04:34] <bobby__> binks: if you mount it as root that you wont be able to write by default
[04:34] <binks> ok so 2nd prob i have to manually power off pc as kubuntu hangs when screen goes black
[04:34] <bobby__> that is as normal user
[04:35] <binks> i gave it a chmod 777
[04:35] <fdoving> endo602: yes. hang on.
[04:35] <bobby__> i dont know for sure whether that works or not
[04:36] <endo602> cool
[04:36] <bobby__> its better to make a entry in fstab
[04:36] <bobby__> or perhaps there is a fancy gui thingy in kde that can do everything foryou
[04:37] <fdoving> endo602: did you unzip and run 'make' ? did you get an error?
[04:37] <kaatil> oh well at least game trailers video does work.. when i use GL for video displaying.
[04:37] <endo602> fdoving
[04:38] <endo602> pm?
[04:38] <kaatil> anyway.. hi all
[04:38] <fdoving> endo602: sure.
[04:42] <bobby__> is the flash 9 player also available in kubuntu?
[04:43] <BluesKaj> yes bobby__
[04:44] <bobby__> BluesKaj: what is the packagename?
[04:45] <BluesKaj> bobby__, Shockwave Flash 9.0 d78
[04:46] <bobby__> ty
[04:46] <jamesbryanchua> hey, i just installed kubuntu on my laptop, i'm having problems installing automatix2 :(
[04:47] <Li`lEndian> can anyone tell me the difference between bind and dhcp3? does it not do the same thing? which is basically manage namespaces dynamically for network clients?
[04:47] <stdin> eww, automatix
[04:47] <jamesbryanchua> what's wrong with automatix
[04:48] <stdin> !automatix
[04:48] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:48] <stdin> that's what wrong with it
[04:48] <jamesbryanchua> i see.
[04:48] <stdin> what do you need it for?
[04:48] <stdin> s/need/want/
[04:49] <jamesbryanchua> nothing, really i just wanted a quick install of some useful programs.
[04:49] <jamesbryanchua> E: Type 'deb' is not known on line 36 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <jamesbryanchua> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[04:49] <jamesbryanchua> oops
[04:50] <stdin> you have a " before deb in the sources.list
[04:50] <morvok> any know of a good p2p client for kubuntu?
[04:51] <enotee> whats the best app for dowloading video podcast
[04:51] <stdin> there is frostwire
[04:51] <bobby__> ktorrent rocks
[04:51] <stdin> p2p ^^
[04:51] <morvok> stdin: using Frostwire.. any other good ones?
[04:51] <bobby__> you could give apollon a try
[04:51] <BluesKaj> ktorrent's latest release is excellent
[04:52] <stdin> nope, I don't really use any p2p
[04:52] <stdin> except ktorrent
[04:52] <bobby__> on gentoo i use utorrent but my second favorite is definatly ktorrent
[04:53] <BluesKaj> azureus was slowing down and din't work well with my router portforwarding
[04:53] <endo602> fdoving thank you so much
[04:54] <bobby__> i dont lie azureus to bloaded
[04:54] <bobby__> like*
[04:55] <fdoving> endo602: you're welcome.
[04:55] <bobby__> i wish they would port utorrent to linux with a nice backend so there can be seperate gui's it works fine with wine but its a bit blinky
[04:56] <lupine_85> ktorrent++
[04:56] <lupine_85> rtorrent is also good
[04:57] <bobby__> rtorrent dont know that one yet
[04:58] <BluesKaj> bobby__, I found utorrent was problematic with my setup too ...the first release was fine.. the updated one sucked in windows
[05:00] <bobby__> BluesKaj: 1600 works fine with me only thing withwine is that the treaths are sucky so it blinks on the windowdraws
[05:00] <BluesKaj> wine ...forget wine
[05:00] <BluesKaj> :)
[05:01] <PhinnFort> google talk is a mess...
[05:01] <bobby__> BluesKaj: i think wine is a great effort though for some things you simply need win32 suport
[05:04] <alias__> anyone know how to set up a fax to send and receive using Ubuntu?
[05:04] <PhinnFort> the info pages on google talk of course doesn't mention kopete, and one pages says server is gmail.com, other says talk.google.com, third says googlemail.com, and one page says 5222 won't work and that i should use 5223, other says exactly the opposite...
[05:04] <PhinnFort> kfax
[05:05] <PhinnFort> !fax
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fax - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <PhinnFort> !kfax
[05:05] <ubotu> kfax: G3/G4 fax viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 143 kB, installed size 444 kB
[05:05] <alias__> how do I get it?
[05:05] <kris> Hey, people.
[05:05] <bobby__> apt-get install kfax?
[05:05] <PhinnFort> apt-get install kfax?
[05:05] <alias__> no "sudo" first?
[05:06] <bobby__> details
[05:06] <PhinnFort> :P
[05:06] <kris> Just a quick Q...does anyone know of any issues of running kub on an Inspiron 6400?
[05:06] <PhinnFort> thank $DEITY for the genius kde devs
[05:07] <cloakable> I have a samba server running, but whenever I run smbtree, I get this error for my server: cli_start_connection: failed to connect to CLOAKABLE<20> (0.0.0.0)
[05:07] <cloakable> Can anyone halp?
[05:07] <cloakable> *help
[05:07] <bobby__> kris: i dont know but i do know that kubuntu has great out of the box laptop support
[05:07] <kris> thankyou bobby
[05:08] <PhinnFort> you need garlix
[05:08] <PhinnFort> *garlic
[05:08] <siv0x> Can anyone help me get ALSAs OSS Emulater set up?
[05:08] <kris> i saw someone had no issues with installing ubuntu on a dell 6400 i was just wondering if there were any differeces...appart from the window manager
[05:09] <siv0x> kris: what type of ubuntu installation disk are you going to use?
[05:09] <PhinnFort> spam is stupid
[05:10] <kris> I downloaded the edgy
[05:10] <kris> off the kubuntu site
[05:10] <siv0x> kris: LiveCD?
[05:10] <xor> hi, how can i install kubuntu on my existing RAID1 and RAID5 arrays?
[05:11] <kris> Download Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) CD
[05:11] <kris> ^^ ignore the download it was a quote off the site :P
[05:11] <kris> i think that it is live cd
[05:11] <kris> yeh, of course it is
[05:12] <kris> yes, its the standard install cd...not the text only
[05:12] <siv0x> kris: i dont think you'll have any problems.. maybe with sound and video drivers.
[05:12] <kris> i can get the ATI X1400 drivers off their site
[05:12] <siv0x> kris: ofcourse : )
[05:12] <kris> and the sound for the SigmaTel audio should be around somewhere
[05:13] <kris> ...well, i am going to try and get thais all installed...thanks for your help, Siv0z and bobby :)
[05:13] <kris> Bye *wave*
[05:14] <siv0x> kris: gl.
[05:15] <bobby__> i think alsa supports sigmatel stuff
[05:15] <PhinnFort> what is that funny name of the animation in the top right corner of browsers?
[05:15] <alias__> kfax doesn't receive faxes
[05:16] <PhinnFort> try hylafax
[05:16] <PhinnFort> i've heard it's good
[05:17] <morvok> Ktorrent works very well, thanks guys
[05:17] <PhinnFort> <3 ktorrent
[05:17] <bobby__> actually im sure alsa suppors some sigmatel stuff im listening to one right now : )
[05:18] <alias__> "couldn't find package hylafax"
[05:18] <PhinnFort> !hylafax
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hylafax - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <PhinnFort> sorry, i've never used my computer as a fax machine, just heard hylafax was good
[05:20] <PhinnFort> hmm, seems like hylafax is a fax server
[05:20] <alias__> I see
[05:21] <alias__> Oh well, guess I will have to use XP for faxes :(
[05:21] <PhinnFort> http://www.vgcomputing.com.au/lsfaxserver.html ?
[05:21] <PhinnFort> http://www.cce.com/efax/
[05:21] <bobby__> alias__: efax is probably what you need
[05:22] <alias__> not free
[05:22] <bobby__> there is also a gtk frontend for efax
[05:22] <siv0x> Can anyone help me get ALSAs OSS Emulater set up?
[05:22] <alias__> efax is free for one year, then you gotta pay
[05:22] <PhinnFort> alias__: how not free?
[05:22] <PhinnFort> siv0x: you configure your own kernel?
[05:23] <siv0x> OhinnFort: Well.. no - i'm pretty knew with linux.
[05:23] <PhinnFort> alias__: i'm/we're talking about the program, not the service
[05:23] <PhinnFort> please look at the link i provided
[05:24] <PhinnFort> it's as free as it gets;)
[05:24] <PhinnFort> gpl and everything
[05:24] <siv0x> me?
[05:25] <PhinnFort> no
[05:25] <siv0x> k. lol
[05:25] <PhinnFort> siv0x: ;)
[05:25] <la> so...how to instal yahoo....
[05:25] <PhinnFort> la: ?
[05:25] <la> yea?
[05:25] <alias__> they've changed it to 30 days for free: http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/homePage
[05:26] <siv0x> PhinnFort: I'm so confused about all this.. I've been sitting here trying to figure out where to start for 3 hours. I need this setup because: I dont have sound in any game i play with WINE.
[05:26] <PhinnFort> ah...
[05:26] <la> huh
[05:26] <PhinnFort> modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[05:26] <PhinnFort> ?
[05:26] <PhinnFort> la: whaddaya mean install yahoo?
[05:26] <bobby__> alias__: just sudo apt-get install efax-gtk
[05:27] <PhinnFort> or http://ksendfax.sourceforge.net/
[05:27] <bobby__> its free! distributed under gpl v2
[05:27] <PhinnFort> siv0x: did it work?
[05:27] <la> i dont understand the question
[05:27] <siv0x> PhinnFort: Configuring my own kernal?
[05:27] <PhinnFort> nope
[05:27] <PhinnFort> siv0x: modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[05:27] <PhinnFort> i hope it's the right modile
[05:27] <PhinnFort> *module
[05:27] <siv0x> PhinnFort: oh, one sec i'll try it
[05:27] <PhinnFort> don't care for firing up xconfig;)
[05:28] <PhinnFort> siv0x: if it doesn't work: "sudo apt-get install alsa-oss"
[05:28] <la> yahoo messanger ?!?
[05:28] <stdin> la: use kopete
[05:29] <PhinnFort> 2. that
[05:29] <la> i dont have that
[05:29] <stdin> if you have kubuntu, you have kopete
[05:29] <la> where
[05:30] <PhinnFort> under k-menu -> "internet" -> "kopete"
[05:30] <stdin> Kmenu -> Internet -> kopete
[05:30] <PhinnFort> or press ALT and F2 and type "kopete" and hit enter
[05:30] <siv0x> PhinnFort: nope, didnt work let me get alsa-oss
[05:31] <PhinnFort> ok
[05:31] <siv0x> PhinnFort: K, got alsa-oss, that it?
[05:31] <PhinnFort> hope so;)
[05:31] <la> okey
[05:31] <PhinnFort> if not a reboot should be the easiest solution
[05:32] <phobiac> I'm trying to get java working with firefox, and I'm following the guide here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Java_Development_Kit_.28JDK.29_v5.0
[05:32] <la> thanks
[05:32] <siv0x> Phinnfort: didnt work, reboot?
[05:32] <PhinnFort> no problem
[05:32] <phobiac> It says to download JDK version 5, but there is a version 6. Should I stick with version 5?
[05:32] <PhinnFort> siv0x: i'm not exactly sure how that package is intended to work, so a reboot is probably the easiest
[05:33] <bobby__> wait
[05:33] <bobby__> siv0x wait
[05:33] <ZeroSystem> hello, i downloaded the kubunta live CD from greece mirror but its currupted and the MD5 sum doesnt match
[05:33] <phobiac> Oh wait, not JDK. JRE.
[05:33] <siv0x> bobby__: K?
[05:33] <ZeroSystem> the one drapper version
[05:33] <bobby__> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[05:33] <PhinnFort> ZeroSystem: get it from otherwhere?
[05:33] <bobby__> try that
[05:33] <PhinnFort> yeah
[05:33] <PhinnFort> :D
[05:33] <ZeroSystem> what is the different between cd and dvd
[05:34] <siv0x> bobby__: it restarted alsa.
[05:34] <bobby__> yep
[05:34] <siv0x> bobby__: should i open my game back up and try again?
[05:34] <bobby__> yes
[05:34] <phobiac> Zero: It's a difference in how the data is stored I think.
[05:34] <PhinnFort> rotfl, even with a SD card to load system files from, vista only goes from 43 to 14 secs...
[05:34] <la> funny working
[05:34] <bobby__> rebooting would have done the same thing
[05:34] <PhinnFort> yeah
[05:34] <phobiac> Almost like a different filesystem?
[05:34] <stdin> phobiac: enable multiverse and install sun-java5-jdk for the development kit, sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin for jre and plugin for FF
[05:34] <PhinnFort> i didn't know what the service was named
[05:34] <PhinnFort> :P
[05:35] <ZeroSystem> (PhinnFort): is the dvd better or cd or they are much the same ?
[05:35] <siv0x> bobby__: no sound =\
[05:35] <phobiac> stdin: Thanks
[05:35] <stdin> :D
[05:35] <PhinnFort> ZeroSystem: if you have DSL or other persistant internet, just get the CD
[05:35] <PhinnFort> then you can download software as you need it
[05:35] <jerp> !flash > jerp
[05:35] <bobby__> siv0x: does the game use openal?
[05:36] <siv0x> bobby__: openal? not sure
[05:36] <PhinnFort> probably not
[05:36] <siv0x> bobby__: the game is counter strike source, btw.
[05:36] <PhinnFort> wine just spits out its sound to /dev/pcm afaik
[05:37] <bobby__> counterstrike sounds like a game that would use openal
[05:37] <bobby__> wait one sec
[05:37] <PhinnFort> they probably use directx-something
[05:37] <PhinnFort> which wine emulates
[05:37] <PhinnFort> directaudio, hm?
[05:37] <siv0x> bobby_ k
[05:37] <BluesKaj> prolly windows media
[05:37] <PhinnFort> doubt it
[05:38] <PhinnFort> either some proprietary game sound format, wav or ogg
[05:38] <BluesKaj> oh, games ... who cares :)
[05:38] <PhinnFort> ogg is pretty darned good, and many game devs know it;)
[05:38] <PhinnFort> :P
[05:39] <PhinnFort> i like this one: http://warpedvisions.org/2006/12/30/ten-things-linux-distros-get-right-that-ms-doesnt/
[05:39] <BluesKaj> buy a friggin PS and be done with it
[05:39] <PhinnFort> rotfl
[05:39] <la> so why to instal yahoo through konsole is so dificu lt
[05:39] <bobby__> siv0x: i want you to make a file called ~/.openalrc
[05:39] <PhinnFort> la: use kopete!
[05:40] <siv0x> bobby__: like were the .wine folder is?
[05:40] <la> i do, but why i can't have normal yahooo?
[05:40] <PhinnFort> normal yahoo is bad
[05:40] <bobby__> siv0x: wine?
[05:40] <bobby__> are you using wine?
[05:40] <PhinnFort> kopete is integrated into KDE
[05:40] <la> how
[05:40] <siv0x> bobby__: yes.
[05:40] <binks> bobby all sorted now thanks ;)
[05:40] <bobby__> ow lol
[05:41] <PhinnFort> bobby__: :P
[05:41] <siv0x> bobby__: lol sorry i didnt tell you i thought you knew.
[05:41] <bobby__> no i wanted you to make it in the exact spot i gave you ~/ is the home dir
[05:42] <siv0x> bobby_: also.. the speaker configuration doesnt save. i set it to headphones ingame and clicked apply but everytime i shut the game down and reopen it, that setting is set blank.
[05:42] <bobby__> you can try it though i dont know whether wine uses openal
[05:42] <siv0x> bobby__: k i'll make the folder.
[05:42] <bobby__> put this in it:
[05:42] <bobby__> (define devices '(alsa))
[05:42] <bobby__> >
[05:42] <bobby__> > # Four speaker surround with ALSA
[05:42] <bobby__> > (define speaker-num 2)
[05:42] <bobby__> > (define alsa-out-device "hw:0,0")
[05:42] <bobby__> no not a folder
[05:42] <bobby__> a file text file
[05:42] <siv0x> bobby__: in /home/ ?
[05:43] <bobby__> make this file: ~/.openalrc
[05:43] <PhinnFort> la: yahoo: http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/msg/6/gr/unix/scr_msgrlist.gif kopete: http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/40797-1.png
[05:44] <bobby__> and the > should not be in there btw sorry about that some lowsy pasting of me
[05:44] <PhinnFort> tell me which looks the best;)
[05:44] <siv0x> bobby__: first off, how do i get to that dir?
[05:44] <siv0x> bobby__: i'm a nub.
[05:44] <bobby__> erm you home dir?
[05:44] <bobby__> cd ~
[05:44] <PhinnFort> jus cd
[05:45] <siv0x> bobby__: k
[05:45] <PhinnFort> *just
[05:45] <PhinnFort> cd without arguments just takes you to home(~)
[05:45] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$ cd
[05:45] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$
[05:45] <bobby__> yes
[05:45] <siv0x> k
[05:45] <bobby__> you where already in home dir
[05:46] <la> so how to register to could have private chat ?
[05:46] <bobby__> do you see the ~ before the $?
[05:46] <kulbir> my dvd rw is not working.
[05:46] <siv0x> so how do i create a text file there?
[05:46] <PhinnFort> magic?
[05:46] <PhinnFort> i think so
[05:46] <siv0x> bobby__: yes i see that.
[05:46] <PhinnFort> nano .filename
[05:46] <kulbir> when i try to access thme, i get the following error.
[05:47] <bobby__> nano .openalrc
[05:47] <kulbir> mount: no medium found
[05:47] <kulbir> can anyone help me?
[05:47] <PhinnFort> kulbir: did you put it in the right way?
[05:47] <PhinnFort> shiny side down?
[05:47] <siv0x> k
[05:47] <PhinnFort> ;)
[05:47] <bobby__> than put this in there:
[05:47] <kulbir> PhinnFort: yes
[05:47] <bobby__> (define devices '(alsa))
[05:48] <bobby__> (define alsa-out-device "hw:0,0")
[05:48] <kulbir> PhinnFort: the dvd rw works find in windows xp.
[05:48] <siv0x> k
[05:48] <bobby__> than hit crtl x
[05:48] <kulbir> fine*
[05:48] <PhinnFort> kulbir: have you tried another disk?
[05:48] <PhinnFort> maybe windows destroyed it
[05:48] <jerp> !gnash > jerp
[05:48] <bobby__> you will be promted to save the file
[05:48] <kulbir> yes i have tried
[05:48] <bobby__> a d
[05:48] <bobby__> and you do
[05:49] <siv0x> bobby__ k saved it
[05:49] <PhinnFort> ctrl o ctrl x
[05:49] <bobby__> ok give it another try if that didnt work its an wine related error
[05:50] <endo602> what is a good ident server to use?
[05:50] <la> ok so how to use  more messanger than yahoo by this kopete ?
[05:50] <kulbir> PhinnFort: plz help me
[05:50] <siv0x> those two lines is all i need in there bobby?
[05:50] <la> yeah
[05:50] <PhinnFort> what is the last output from dmesg?
[05:50] <PhinnFort> kulbir: dmesg | tail
[05:51] <bobby__> siv0x: yes
[05:51] <bobby__> it should force openal to use alsa
[05:52] <siv0x> bobby__: nope.. didnt work. i think the problem is that when i choose a speaker configuration, and set it to headphones it dont save. because when i close and open the game up, that setting is still left blank on audio.
[05:52] <PhinnFort> siv0x: have you tried running winecfg and fiddling with the options?
[05:52] <siv0x> bobby__: i'm not going to get sound from alsa, the game needs to use OSS, thats why i wanted ALSA to emulate OSS.
[05:52] <kulbir> PhinnFort: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/848540
[05:52] <PhinnFort> siv0x: there's a tab called "Audio" with some interesting options
[05:52] <siv0x> PhinnFort: Yes. they told me in #winehq that i needed to get ALSAs OSS Emulater setup.
[05:53] <bobby__> i think theproblem isnt alsa related
[05:53] <PhinnFort> siv0x: ls /dev/pcm
[05:53] <PhinnFort> siv0x: you need to activate oss sound in winecfg too, after enabling alsa oss emulation
[05:53] <kulbir> PhinnFort:  http://pastebin.com/848542 ( dmesg | tail)
[05:53] <siv0x> ls /dev/pcm
[05:53] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$ ls /dev/pcm
[05:53] <siv0x> ls: /dev/pcm: No such file or directory
[05:53] <PhinnFort> you don't have alsa oss emu
[05:53] <PhinnFort> try a reboot
[05:54] <PhinnFort> afaik
[05:54] <PhinnFort> kulbir: try inserting a dvdrw again, and then do dmesg | tail
[05:55] <siv0x> PhinnFort: I did. and i checked were it says "Driver Emulation"
[05:55] <PhinnFort> do the whole shebang, so the kernel gets a go
[05:55] <siv0x> PhinnFort: k i'll brb, i'll reboot
[05:55] <kulbir> PhinnFort: reboot
[05:56] <PhinnFort> frack...
[05:56] <PhinnFort> *properly
[05:56] <bobby__> bsg :)
[05:56] <jerp> I've got up to twenty gnash entries in my KSysGuard, but my gnash player isn't playing.   Any hints to help would be appreciated?
[05:56] <PhinnFort> :D
[05:56] <PhinnFort> just had the theme on my ipod
[05:56] <PhinnFort> jerp: it's extremely experimental
[05:57] <PhinnFort> standalone or integrated into a webpage?
[05:57] <JohnFlux> jerp: maybe kill all the processes, and try again?
[05:57] <jbchua1> my taskbar disappeared. any way to get it back without rebooting?
[05:57] <siv0x> k now test the game?
[05:57] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: run "kicker"
[05:57] <jerp> john I tried to kill from KSysGuard but it doesn't flush it out to show the change took place
[05:57] <brandon_> does anyone know of any audio editing programs in repo besides audacity?
[05:58] <la>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             \
[05:58] <JohnFlux> jerp: then maybe the process didn't die
[05:58] <jbchua1> error: kicker is already running
[05:58] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: killall kicker; kicker     maybe :/
[05:58] <PhinnFort> jerp: killall gnash -s KILL
[05:58] <jbchua1> JohnFlux: thanks :)
[05:58] <BluesKaj> brandon_, gnormalize seems to have editing ..dunno how extensive they are tho
[05:59] <jbchua1> JohnFlux: wait nvm, it disappeared again.
[05:59] <PhinnFort> i'm waiting for the POSIX people to integrate the KILLKILLKILL signal
[05:59] <bobby__> siv0x: do you have a pcm device now?
[05:59] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: doesn't sound good :(
[05:59] <brandon_> BluesKaj: i don't think it's in repos
[05:59] <jbchua1> sigh.
[05:59] <jbchua1> reboot?
[05:59] <siv0x> bobby_ what was the command to check?
[05:59] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: hmm
[06:00] <PhinnFort> siv0x: ls /dev/pcm
[06:00] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: just log out and log in should work
[06:00] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: but i have a feeling it won't work
[06:00] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$ ls /dev/pcm
[06:00] <siv0x> ls: /dev/pcm: No such file or directory
[06:00] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$
[06:00] <BluesKaj> yeah brandon_, it's non free I think
[06:00] <PhinnFort> siv0x: dmesg | grep -i oss
[06:00] <brandon_> what does that mean?
[06:00] <jerp> they still aren't flushed from my KSysGuard
[06:00] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$ dmesg | grep -i oss
[06:00] <siv0x> [17179591.848000]  Adding 867468k swap on /dev/disk/by-uuid/551ff4ed-fdc9-4392-8f49-1259ea030541.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:867468k
[06:01] <jerp> after Phinn's command entered in a term
[06:01] <PhinnFort> it means it will eat your soul
[06:01] <PhinnFort> jerp: try 'ps aux'
[06:02] <PhinnFort> -s KILL should've strangled them
[06:02] <siv0x> PhinnFort: Did it work?
[06:02] <JohnFlux> jerp: does:   ps aux | grep gnash      show them?
[06:02] <jerp> they are <defunct>
[06:02] <PhinnFort> siv0x: nope
[06:03] <PhinnFort> siv0x: wait, i'll fire up the kernel config and find the name of the module
[06:03] <siv0x> PhinnFort: : ( lol
[06:03] <jerp> now after ps aux
[06:03] <JohnFlux> jerp: hmm thought so
[06:03] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:03] <siv0x> PhinnFort: Thanks
[06:03] <JohnFlux> jerp: the process is dead but there's another process that launched them
[06:03] <JohnFlux> jerp: and that process still lives
[06:03] <JohnFlux> jerp: in ksysguard, use the tree view to see what their parent is
[06:04] <JohnFlux> hmm
[06:04] <JohnFlux> i should add that as a feature to ksysguard
[06:04] <bobby__> siv0x: yes the modules
[06:04] <jerp> they are flushed now
[06:04] <jerp> let me reload a webpage
[06:04] <bobby__> now i remember you need to load the modules that is it
[06:05] <PhinnFort> siv0x: didn't want to flood this channel;)
[06:05] <siv0x> phinnfort: np. i type those all in konsole?
[06:05] <kulbir> PhinnFort: same result with dmesg | tail
[06:05] <PhinnFort> only the last command
[06:05] <PhinnFort> kulbir: dmesg | grep -i dvd
[06:05] <brandon_> i can't delete a file after sudo chmod 777'ing it, how can I delete it?
[06:06] <PhinnFort> brandon_: change the folder
[06:06] <PhinnFort> the perms of the folder that is
[06:06] <siv0x> PhinnFort: Was was those other 3 for?
[06:06] <jerp> johnflux  the parent is firefox-bin
[06:06] <brandon_> i did, i chmod'ed the folder
[06:06] <brandon_> and no go
[06:06] <PhinnFort> siv0x: it's the kernel modules
[06:06] <PhinnFort> brandon_: lsof [filename] 
[06:06] <bobby__> siv0x: modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[06:07] <kulbir> PhinnFort: [17179578.724000]  hda: SONY DVD RW DW-G120A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[06:07] <JohnFlux> jerp: you might have to kill that
[06:07] <kulbir> PhinnFort: [17179579.992000]  hda: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(66)
[06:07] <PhinnFort> siv0x: it's just the files themselves, the last command was the command to insert them
[06:07] <bobby__> siv0x: modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[06:07] <brandon_> PhinnFort: Could not write to file /media/Smith/.Trash-1000/info/asdf.trashinfo.
[06:08] <siv0x> phinnfort: that last command didnt work. i think you might have misstyped it or something.
[06:08] <jbchua1> My taskbar has disappeared-- ran kicker, logged out, rebooted. taskbar still not reappearing
[06:08] <Scok> Happy New Year!!
[06:08] <siv0x> bobby_: didnt get an error when i typed your two commands though.
[06:09] <PhinnFort> siv0x: do them one by one then
[06:09] <PhinnFort> as bobby__ said, and add the last one too
[06:09] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: run konsole, and in that run kicker
[06:09] <PhinnFort> siv0x: i don't misstype;)
[06:10] <siv0x> PhinnFort: got them. you typed  modprobe snd-sex-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss instead it was modprobe snd-sex-oss snd pcm-oss- snd-mixer-oss.
[06:10] <PhinnFort> ok
[06:10] <PhinnFort> i was typing them out by hand;)
[06:10] <jbchua1> PhinnFort:  i ran kicker already
[06:10] <siv0x> PhinnFort: its all good.
[06:10] <kulbir> PhinnFort: plz help me
[06:10] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: do it in a terminal
[06:10] <jbchua1> error: kicker is already running!
[06:11] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: killall kicker -s KILL
[06:11] <PhinnFort> then run kicker again
[06:11] <jerp> johnflux, the flashplayer screen blinks once and goes gray, just like before
[06:11] <PhinnFort> kulbir: could you post the whole dmesg?
[06:11] <PhinnFort> jerp: it's crashing
[06:11] <kulbir> yes
[06:11] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: thanks
[06:11] <PhinnFort> it's highly alpha
[06:11] <Chousuke> probably no need to killall -9 it :P
[06:11] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: ah you came back
[06:11] <PhinnFort> i like to KILL
[06:11] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:11] <Chousuke> killing is messy
[06:11] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: i think you might have to delete all your kicker settings sorry
[06:11] <PhinnFort> but it saves some time
[06:12] <JohnFlux> jbchua1: the files are in ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/
[06:12] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: just mv them
[06:12] <PhinnFort> take a backup
[06:12] <PhinnFort> don't delete;)
[06:12] <siv0x> PhinnFort: Still no sound bro.
[06:12] <PhinnFort> hrm
[06:13] <PhinnFort> dmesg?
[06:13] <bobby__> siv0x: did you restard alsa?
[06:13] <siv0x> bobby__: no.. command? lol
[06:13] <bobby__> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[06:14] <siv0x> bobby__ k restarted. lemme try again
[06:14] <kulbir> PhinnFort: http://rafb.net/p/2V7Mvw65.html
[06:14] <jerp> phinn, would you have a trusted howto page to install 'whatever' on an amd64 with a 32chroot?
[06:14] <PhinnFort> jerp: imho, chrooting is silly:P
[06:14] <PhinnFort> just get the 32-bit libs and put them in /usr/lib32
[06:15] <jerp> ok
[06:15] <PhinnFort> kulbir: did you try with a dvdrw first?
[06:15] <siv0x> bobby__ still no sound
[06:15] <PhinnFort> siv0x: how's winecfg?
[06:15] <kulbir> PhinnFort: it is works fine under xp.
[06:15] <PhinnFort> jerp: you want flash?
[06:16] <PhinnFort> kulbir: but you need to make the kernel try, so it says what is wrong
[06:16] <kulbir> PhinnFort: when i try to mount dvd rw. i get error msg.
[06:16] <jerp> phinn, I want to watch some flash movies, yes
[06:16] <bobby__> siv0x: for some reason the /dev/pcm still doesnt exist
[06:16] <PhinnFort> try to open a dvdrw, THEN paste dmesg
[06:16] <PhinnFort> jerp: get opera?
[06:16] <PhinnFort> ok?
[06:16] <jerp> ok, is that in multiverse rep?
[06:17] <bobby__> siv0x: im used to work on gentoo and here it makes them when the snd-pcm-oss module is loaded
[06:17] <PhinnFort> http://porg.es/blog/opera-9-on-ubuntu-dapper-with-amd64
[06:17] <PhinnFort> jerp: if you get opera installed, flash will work in it
[06:17] <jerp> thanks :) phinn
[06:17] <bobby__> siv0x: i cant help you any more sorry mate that is all i know about it
[06:17] <PhinnFort> i used to compile oss support in
[06:17] <PhinnFort> (under gentoo)
[06:17] <bobby__> yeah me too
[06:17] <bobby__> useflags :)
[06:18] <PhinnFort> :)
[06:18] <PhinnFort> compile *everything* :(
[06:18] <bobby__> but still need to load the modules
[06:18] <PhinnFort> yeah
[06:18] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: my taskbar came back, but now my sound doesn't work. :\
[06:18] <bobby__> yes that is the major drawback
[06:18] <PhinnFort> that's why i switched to kubuntu
[06:18] <siv0x> bobby__: it is okay
[06:18] <PhinnFort> :)
[06:18] <siv0x> bobby__ thanks for trying.
[06:18] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: what did it say?
[06:18] <bobby__> np
[06:18] <PhinnFort> siv0x: wait a sec, mkay?
[06:19] <bobby__> ok
[06:19] <bobby__> im going to eat
[06:19] <PhinnFort> afterwards
[06:19] <PhinnFort> :)
[06:19] <bobby__>  later guys
[06:19] <siv0x> PhinnFort: K
[06:19] <siv0x> bobby__ do i need to delete that file?
[06:19] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: long error message.
[06:19] <siv0x> bobby__: the one that you told me to make.
[06:19] <kulbir> PhinnFort: what do u think. my dvd rw is detected or not?
[06:20] <PhinnFort> see ya
[06:20] <PhinnFort> siv0x: do you have stuff under ls /dev/snd/ ?
[06:20] <bobby__> no
[06:20] <PhinnFort> if so, go whine to the wine guys again, and say that you have oss emu working
[06:21] <bobby__> siv0x: that file is a configuration file for openal if yyou do have a app that uses openal and doesnt work try removing it than
[06:21] <PhinnFort> kulbir: it is
[06:21] <bobby__> most likely the settings i gave you are the ones you need though
[06:21] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: any clue on getting my sound back?
[06:21] <PhinnFort> kulbir: it's the DVD-RW disc that's the problem
[06:21] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: try restarting arts
[06:22] <siv0x> bobby__: k
[06:22] <PhinnFort> go into controlthingy
[06:22] <PhinnFort> kcontrol
[06:22] <siv0x> PhinnFort: yes i have files under that now.
[06:22] <PhinnFort> search for sound, clicky sound system and clickety off, apply, clickety on, apply
[06:22] <PhinnFort> siv0x: then you're good, wine bad
[06:23] <PhinnFort> you shouldn've gotten a link to /dev/pcm, but that's not important
[06:23] <PhinnFort> but go bugger the wine people
[06:23] <kulbir> PhinnFort: now i am inserting cd .
[06:23] <siv0x> PhinnFort: they said they didnt need noobs.
[06:23] <PhinnFort> jerp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304267&highlight=opera+amd64
[06:23] <PhinnFort> siv0x: where they?
[06:24] <siv0x> PhinnFort: You mean what there channel is?
[06:24] <PhinnFort> siv0x: yeah
[06:24] <kulbir> PhinnFort: sudo mount /dev/hda /media/cd >>>> mount: No medium found
[06:24] <PhinnFort> kulbir: now please post dmesg
[06:26] <kulbir> PhinnFort: http://rafb.net/p/PnWN8F60.html
[06:26] <jerp> maybe I should reconsider, this is getting more drawn out than I expected and intimidates my newbie-ness
[06:26] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:26] <PhinnFort> it's pretty straightforward, isn't it?
[06:26] <PhinnFort> jerp: you could just use the 32-bit kubuntu, too
[06:27] <jerp> yeah, that's true
[06:27] <PhinnFort> kulbir: sorry, i can't see what's wrong
[06:27] <PhinnFort> i can't help you:(
[06:27] <kulbir> PhinnFort: k thanks
[06:27] <PhinnFort> np
[06:28] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: it keeps going to 100% than just coming back down...
[06:28] <PhinnFort> jbchua1: what?
[06:28] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: when I disable sound
[06:28] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: and re-enable it it just keeps going.
[06:28] <PhinnFort> does it make sound?
[06:29] <jbchua1> PhinnFort: none.
[06:29] <PhinnFort> well, i really have to go now
[06:31] <jerp> phinn, is there a sweet-little apt-get command to facilitate the installation of the necessary 32-bit libs?
[06:31] <BluesKaj> what's the command to run check.sh ...it won't run even tho i have it in my home folder
[06:32] <HymnToLife> BluesKaj, is it exacutable ?
[06:32] <HymnToLife> s/exa/exe
[06:32] <BluesKaj> yes HymnToLife, it is
[06:33] <endo602> anyone know how to configure pidentd to use a specific ident id?
[06:34] <HymnToLife> BluesKaj, how are you trying to run it ?
[06:34] <HymnToLife> ./foo.sh or sh foo.sh ?
[06:35] <jonathan_> how do i unlock adept
[06:35] <jonathan_> basically it is locked by some packages that wont install
[06:35] <HymnToLife> jonathan_, sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:35] <HymnToLife> paste the errors you get ?
[06:36] <jonathan_> no i get a message saying i cant install any packages because something is looking adept
[06:36] <HymnToLife> that was not a question, sorry :)
[06:37] <jonathan_>  ya hymn there is some command that i put into teh shell and it finishes installing the packages taht r locking adept
[06:37] <HymnToLife> run sudo apt-get upgrade and paste the errors you get so we can find out what the problem is
[06:37] <jerp> try apt-get autoclean
[06:38] <molotoff__> happy new your!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:39] <jonathan_> this is what it said when i did apt-get autoclean E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[06:41] <jonathan_> wheres the bot when u need help lol
[06:41] <endo602> anyone know how do set up a specific ident?
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> jonathan_: anything I can help with?
[06:41] <jonathan_> adept manager is locked again
[06:41] <zorglu_> !adept crash fix
[06:41] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:42] <jonathan_> lol speak of the devil here is ubotu lol
[06:42] <jonathan_> thats the command i was looking for
[06:42] <jonathan_> thanks admiral
[06:43] <jonathan_> for offering ur linux wisdom lol
[06:47] <jontec> I am getting the error: "syntax error, unexpected kEND, expecting $end" see http://pastebin.com/848570 for file. WHY!?!
[06:51] <siv0x> Okay.. i seem to have my alsa oss emulater setup but i still dont have any sound through cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp :\
[06:52] <MDCore> hey all. I'm trying to set up a dwl-g650+ card in my laptop. The lights don't come on and I don't see any dev/ath0 (which is the device name in the forums). anyone have any ideas ?
[06:54] <andreasw> Is there a way to open I directory from konqueror really fast in Konsole?
[06:54] <andreasw> ander windows you can right click and open with cmd
[06:54] <andreasw> under
[06:54] <HymnToLife> andreasw, F4
[06:55] <HymnToLife> you can also have a Konsole window directly in your Konqueror
[06:55] <OOD> or right click, actions. open terminal here
[06:55] <andreasw> HymnToLife: Thank you very mush that was exaclty I was looking for ;)
[06:56] <andreasw> Is there somewhere a overview about kde shortcuts?
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> you could just use your terminal for evertything :P
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> andreasw: look in global shortcuts, I forget where that is
[06:58] <jontec> sorry I posted in the wrong window :D
[06:58] <andreasw> Admiral_Chicago: well using terminal for everything is a little bit outdated I find a combination between GUI and Console works best for me
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i know, I had to get back to GUI after I was trying to have a conversation with my terminal...I thought I was on AIM but I was mistaken
[07:01] <siv0x> hey how can i get sound on: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp I have ALSAs OSS Emulater.. anyone know?
[07:01] <HymnToLife> siv0x, maybe use dd instead
[07:02] <HymnToLife> (sudo) dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp bs=1024 count=n
[07:02] <HymnToLife> will send n kilobytes of data
[07:02] <siv0x> HymnToLife: dont know.. thats what they gave me in #winehq because i am trying to get sound on a game. =\
[07:02] <endo602> how can i setup an ident on kubuntu?
[07:03] <siv0x> so, sudo dd /dev/urandom > /dev/dps ?
[07:03] <HymnToLife> nah
[07:03] <HymnToLife> the one I just told you
[07:03] <siv0x> and that will fix my sound in game?
[07:04] <HymnToLife> certainly not
[07:04] <HymnToLife> it will just make your sound play random junk
[07:04] <HymnToLife> I guess they told you to do that to see if it's working
[07:04] <siv0x> IF my alsa oss is working properly?
[07:04] <siv0x> yeah
[07:04] <siv0x> k
[07:05] <siv0x> HymnToLife: can i pm you and paste you what it said?
[07:05] <HymnToLife> certainly
[07:09] <siv0x> HymnToLife: didnt hear anything =\
[07:14] <Siv0x> HymnToLife: can you help me set up my ALSAs OSS Emulater?
[07:14] <Siv0x> or anyone..
[07:23] <endo602> anyone with ident expertese arround?
[07:30] <RealisticDragon> evening
[07:31] <endo602> evening
[07:31] <endo602> know anything about ident?
[07:32] <RealisticDragon> yes
[07:32] <RealisticDragon> whats the problem? :)
[07:33] <endo602> i wanna use the ident end@******
[07:33] <endo602> but i cant seem to figure pidentd
[07:33] <mindspin> I can mount usb devices only via kdesu konqueror... that#s unconfortable, where do I have to set accessss to usb devices
[07:34] <RealisticDragon> hmmm i cant remember which ident server i used to use
[07:34] <endo602> pidentd is confusing
[07:34] <endo602> i dont really get where to put the ident id
[07:35] <Siv0x> Anyone know how to get sound in CS:S with WINE, my problem is that i'm not getting sound in cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp.
[07:36] <dwidmann> Siv0x: do you have sound at all? If so, do you have sound in other apps that run through wine?
[07:36] <socket> hi
[07:36] <socket> happy new year for all of.. you
[07:36] <andreasw> here we don't have new year yet ^^
[07:36] <dwidmann> happy new year socket
[07:36] <andreasw> but thanks anyway hehe
[07:36] <kulbir_> socket: same to u
[07:37] <dwidmann> (even though I've got another 11 hours and 21 minutes to wait)
[07:37] <socket> hre its 0hr midnight
[07:37] <andreasw> 4 hours and 21 minutes here
[07:37] <kulbir_> socket: where u from?
[07:37] <socket> INDIA
[07:37] <Siv0x> dwidmann: only thing that i have that runs in WINE is Steam. and yes i have sound on non wine apps.
[07:38] <kulbir_> socket: city?
[07:38] <socket> Bangalore
[07:38] <kulbir_> im from punjab.
[07:38] <socket> oye
[07:38] <dwidmann> Siv0x: Maybe WINE is misconfigured? try running (I think) winecfg
[07:39] <Siv0x> dwidmann: i've tried that.. tried what they said in #winehq and everything, still no sound =
[07:39] <kulbir_> socket: haje
[07:39] <socket> see u buddy got to go
[07:39] <dwidmann> Siv0x: what did you set the sound to in winecfg?
[07:39] <socket> and nope - happy new year to ubuntu team
[07:39] <socket> bye
[07:40] <kulbir_> bye
[07:40] <Siv0x> dwidmann: they said to join my distros support chan and ask them how to setup my ALSAs OSS emulater
[07:40] <joseito-ve> cocket = happy new year to ou
[07:40] <Siv0x> dwidmann: i set it to OSS.
[07:40] <joseito-ve> *you
[07:40] <dwidmann> Siv0x: try installing the alsa-oss package
[07:41] <dwidmann> Siv0x: sudo aptitude install alsa-oss
[07:41] <Siv0x> dwidmann: tried that too
[07:41] <Siv0x> dwidmann: i set all that up.
[07:42] <NamShub> im trying to batch extract files.. I do: for f in `ls *.7z`; do \ 7z e "$f"; \ done
[07:42] <NamShub> it doesnt work with files with spaces
[07:42] <dwidmann> hmmmm
[07:43] <NamShub> ok ls -b will do the job :)
[07:44] <NamShub> or not :(
[07:44] <NamShub> any clue?
[07:45] <dwidmann> Siv0x: try setting the sound in winecfg to alsa? what does it do then?
[07:47] <Siv0x> dwidmann: no sound, counter strike source cannot "detect" alsa. and therefor i have no sound.
[07:47] <Siv0x> dwidmann: this is why i need the alsa oss emulater.
[07:48] <dwidmann> Siv0x: that's what the alsa-oss package _is_ though
[07:48] <Siv0x> dwidmann: i know.
[07:48] <dwidmann> !info alsa-oss
[07:48] <ubotu> alsa-oss: ALSA wrapper for OSS applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.11-1 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 216 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)
[07:48] <Siv0x> dwidmann: and i have all that..
[07:48] <Siv0x> dwidmann: thats why i'm so clueless on what there is else that i havent done.
[07:49] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[07:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:49] <dwidmann> Siv0x: I dunno then .. I'd have to download wine again to figure it out I suppose, but that would take a while
[07:49] <Siv0x> dwidmann: nah thats okay.
[07:50] <Siv0x> dwidmann: i should be getting sound through cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp - this shows if my oss emulater is working or not.
[07:51] <dwidmann> Siv0x: and what does it do, does it just not play a sound, or does it spit out an error?
[07:51] <Siv0x> dwidmann: just spits out an error.
[07:51] <Siv0x> dwidmann: i mean, not an error, just doesnt play a sound.
[07:51] <dwidmann> Device or resource busy I presume?
[07:51] <dwidmann> oh
[07:52] <Siv0x> dwidmann: can i pm you and paste you this, when i use a different command that does the same thing?
[07:52] <dwidmann> !pastebin
[07:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:52] <Siv0x> its only like 4 lines.. just wanted to do it the quick way.
[07:53] <dwidmann> oh, okay then
[07:53] <Siv0x> dwidmann: did you get that?
[07:53] <dwidmann> yup
[07:54] <Siv0x> dwidmann: thats why i'm so clueless. everything seems to be just fine.
[07:54] <dwidmann> Sound in Linux is such a pain in the .....
[07:55] <Siv0x> dwidmann: agreed.
[08:00] <coreymon77> hi guys
[08:00] <coreymon77> do you people know anything about gag?
[08:00] <coreymon77> you know, the graphical boot loader
[08:01] <HymnToLife> !gag
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gag - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <cathal> !newyear :-)
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about newyear :-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <coreymon77> my friend was trying to uninstall  kubuntu (... :( ) and messed up his mbr
[08:04] <coreymon77> how does he fix it?
[08:04] <dwidmann> !slap
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <dwidmann> coreymon77: depends, either use a linux cd or some other os's cd, depending what he wants
[08:04] <dwidmann> probably
[08:05] <kris> hi, it's me Kris again...
[08:06] <kris> I have just tried to install kubuntu edgy off the live cd on my dell inspiron 6400...and it didn't even get past the splash screen
[08:07] <HymnToLife> !alternate | kris
[08:07] <ubotu> kris: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[08:07] <coreymon77> he wants to use windoze again
[08:07] <coreymon77> how does he restore his messed up mbr
[08:07] <RealisticDragon> hmmm id try pressing (f2?) at the boot prompt first
[08:08] <RealisticDragon> then select the no-splash install option
[08:08] <kris> ok...thanks...and to the mbr issue
[08:08] <kris> just pop the windows cdrom in
[08:08] <kris> and open up the recovery console when you restart by pressing r
[08:08] <RealisticDragon> coreymon77: you can repair the MBR to boot into windows with the windows install CD
[08:08] <kris> ^^ yeh
[08:08] <HymnToLife> yep you can
[08:09] <RealisticDragon> sorry, didnt see you already answering kris :)
[08:09] <kris> if you type help in the console that pops up the command is there and its obvious cause it has mbr in it
[08:09] <kris> fixmbr or repairmbr
[08:09] <HymnToLife> the command is fixmbr
[08:10] <kris> there are also things like Win Tools that can be downloaded of the torrents, and i'm sure other websites that can help you gain access to tools that can re write the mbr
[08:10] <kris> thats the one
[08:14] <kris> hi, i don't suppose anyone has a download link to the Kubuntu Edgy Install CD do they?
[08:15] <kris> alternate edgy install cd, god i looked like a noob :P
[08:15] <dwidmann> just go to http://kubuntu.org and click on download
[08:20] <Craig42> when I have ubuntu installed, is there a way for it to recognize the windows partitions i have on my hard drive?
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Craig42: yes
[08:23] <metres> Do anybody know how to fix this : im trying to install multi-cd game with wine but I am unable to change CD after installing the first one..?
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> you want to mount your NTFS partition
[08:25] <Siv0x> Anyone know how to get sound in CS:S with WINE, my problem is that i'm not getting sound in cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ?
[08:25] <dwidmann> metres: that will prove to be a pain in the butt, I think I've seen a workaround involving perhaps doing the mounting from something like konsole, and another workaround I've seen involved making ISO images of the disks
[08:26] <Siv0x> kris: still having problems getting an edgy cd?
[08:26] <kris> i am just trying something now...bare with me
[08:27] <linx-> i was looking at kinfocenter, and in the memory section, that i had no swap space available.. but i do have a swap partition.. and a line containing that partition in fstab
[08:27] <kris> i think my disk drive has fucked up the burn
[08:28] <kris> pardon my french
[08:28] <dwidmann> kris: do the burn with k3b, and select the option to check the md5s of the disk.
[08:28] <Siv0x> kris: lol
[08:29] <kris> the only think that is actually working in this room is a pc, running Microsoft Windows Xcrement
[08:29] <dwidmann> eewwwwwww
[08:29] <kris> :(
[08:29] <dwidmann> I see your point
[08:29] <RealisticDragon> once you get there itll seem much better :)
[08:29] <dwidmann> how about running the check disk for errors thing when booting the cd?
[08:29] <kris> i did...
[08:30] <kris> it stopped about 80% and rebooted :)
[08:30] <dwidmann> did it pass or fail? (It's pretty black and white)
[08:30] <kris> blue and white...and i guess it failed..
[08:31] <kris> i am going to use a normal disk..and my good external writer to see if i can get better results...cause the ISO is fine i tested it on VMWare in SuSE
[08:31] <dwidmann> When I say it's pretty black and white, I mean it either passes or it fails, and that there isn't a gray area inbetween (no sort of passed or sort of failed options)
[08:31] <kris> i know...
[08:31] <kris> :P
[08:31] <kris> i was joking
[08:31] <shadowhywind> I was d to wondering if anyone was around that could help me set up my mic? I don't know if there is a special package that i have to install, or even how to "test" record something?
[08:31] <Siv0x> omg, this is driving me crazy
[08:32] <kris> Siv0x: ???
[08:32] <dwidmann> I used to have trouble burning things, I went through about 30 disks to figure out what it was, turned out my one drive went bad :( It used to write good disks too
[08:32] <Siv0x> kris: no sound on sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp bs=1024 count=1, althought it says its working.
[08:33] <kris> :/
[08:33] <linx-> hm.. the mount point for the swap partition is just called 'swap', right ?
[08:33] <dwidmann> linx-: yup
[08:34] <andreasw> do you know whether kAudioCreater uses CD paranoia or it's own cd extraction method?
[08:34] <dwidmann> cd paranoia
[08:34] <Siv0x> kris: yep : (
[08:34] <linx-> from fstab (does this look?): UUID=bc859d5b-15e3-4c8f-be86-c330ec55e932 none swap defaults 0 0
[08:34] <linx-> look right even
[08:34] <dwidmann> last I checked anyway ..... anyhow, k3b rips cds faster :)
[08:35] <andreasw> dwidmann: probably because it doesn't any error correction ;)
[08:35] <dwidmann> It does plenty of error correction, if you want it to
[08:35] <andreasw> dwidmann: yep than it will be as slow as KAudioCreater hehe
[08:35] <kris> Dwidmann: I am gonna try and burn this ISO nice and slow on my good drive, see if it is just a shite disk and a crappy burner...
[08:37] <dwidmann> andreasw: kaudiocreator with all error correctio and cd paranoia and the like off is still quite a bit slower at ripping then k3b, in my experience
[08:37] <Siv0x> kris: yes burn it at the slowest option available.
[08:37] <dwidmann> kaudiocreator tended to take 10-15 minutes or so for a disk, k3b is doing it in 2-7
[08:38] <kris> Siv0x: yeh, normally works for me...i need to send this shit burner back...it has coastered loads of my disks in 2 days
[08:39] <andreasw> Well I don't care much about speed. I just want a very exact copy
[08:39] <kris> Why so exact? you got some kind of FBI opperation going on there? :P
[08:40] <kris> appart from the fact that a badly written section can lead to having half of your OS installed on your network card :P
[08:40] <Siv0x> kris: :D
[08:40] <kris> *disk pops out*
[08:41] <kris> *looks healthy....*
[08:42] <kris> back in a sec people :d
[08:42] <kris> :D
[08:42] <Siv0x> kris: If i can get my game working, i'm going to delete my windows partition :D
[08:42] <Siv0x> kris: k goodluck.
[08:42] <kris> Siv0x: thats the thing to do :d
[08:42] <kris> :D*
[08:43] <Siv0x> kris: yeppers.
[08:43] <kris> I am thinking of signing up with the people that do that specialised game emulation software
[08:43] <kris> so i can actually pwn n00bs
[08:44] <Siv0x> kris: yeah that'd probably be alot better then WINE
[08:44] <flindet> what cedega?
[08:46] <Siv0x> whats the command to see how much room i have on my hard drive?
[08:47] <Siv0x> or have left on my hd.
[08:47] <HymnToLife> Siv0x, df
[08:50] <Siv0x> HymnToLife: ty
[08:57] <AmazingRuss> anybody know what package i need for the opengl man pages?
[09:00] <ACK54W> hey guys
[09:00] <ACK54W> im stuck
[09:00] <ACK54W> Running 32gnome_power_manager
[09:00] <ACK54W> stuck at 4%
[09:06] <kzs> herllo
[09:06] <sivaji_2009> tell  me how to convert .tar.bz2 package to executable package
[09:07] <sivaji_2009> tell  me how to convert .tar.bz2 package to executable package
[09:08] <ACK54W> im stuck
[09:08] <ACK54W> Running 32gnome_power_manager
[09:08] <ACK54W> stuck at 4%
[09:08] <metres> Hi guys, how do I restart sound server ? winecfg kill it...
[09:10] <gupta> is it normal for xorg to take 15% Mem (total ram : 384) and 3-7% cpu ?
[09:12] <dwidmann> 50-60mb RAM for Xorg is fairly normal .... It's using 62mb at the moment on my system
[09:12] <dwidmann> metres: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[09:13] <sivaji_2009> tell  me how to convert .tar.bz2 package to executable package
[09:13] <metres> thanks dwidmann
[09:13] <sivaji_2009> tell  me how to convert .tar.bz2 package to executable package
[09:13] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: .tar.bz2 is a compressed archive (like a .zip file)
[09:13] <dwidmann> So it really depends
[09:14] <cntb> !repeat | sivaji_2009
[09:14] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:14] <RealisticDragon> gupta: a lot of xorg is shared libs so that 60mb gets recucled between a bunch of applications :)
[09:15] <gupta> dwidmann: strange. puppy linux running completely from 128mb ram is able to run xorg
[09:15] <gupta> RealisticDragon: ok
[09:15] <dmbkiwi> sivaji_2009: a .tar.bz2 file is a compressed archive of files a bit like a zip file.  Whether you can convert it to an executable is a different question.
[09:15] <dmbkiwi> sivaji_2009: what is the file?
[09:15] <RealisticDragon> i dont think (k)ubuntu is tuned for low memory use, but for a balance between that and speed... its not targetted at low end machines... you get a trade off somewhere :)
[09:16] <notech> could make a .deb from it
[09:16] <dwidmann> gupta: I think when fresh, It only takes up about 37mb ... so if you restart the xserver that will probably be about how much it will take up
[09:16] <RealisticDragon> my machine is hovering at 3.9gb/4gb ram in use at the moment with only firefox open :P 3.5gb *is* disk cache though...
[09:17] <hepme> when firefox crashes what log does it generate?
[09:17] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: http://perso.orange.fr/coquelle/karchiver/
[09:17] <sivaji_2009> i am downloading kaffeine now in this format
[09:17] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: with that program you can create self extracting archives
[09:17] <dwidmann> if you're looking for something tuned for really low memory use, there's always DSL :)
[09:18] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: that's probably the source tarball
[09:18] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: unpack the archive and recreate it than you got a self extracting archive hehe
[09:18] <notech> Siv0x: so you just want to install it?
[09:18] <nilaz> itali
[09:18] <sivaji_2009> then ple tell me how to convert it to a exe file
[09:18] <notech> oops, wrong nick used
[09:19] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: exe files aren't of any use in Linux
[09:19] <dwidmann> .exe doesn't exist in linux, but to make an executable binary, you'll have to do a few things
[09:19] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: So why do you want to create exe files
[09:19] <notech> why do you need it converted to an executable package?
[09:19] <andreasw> dwidmann: with one exception ^^ mono binaries
[09:20] <dwidmann> first, switch on the source repositories for main and universe, then sudo aptitude update, then sudo aptitude build-dep kaffeine, then ./configure && make && sudo make install
[09:20] <sivaji_2009> i mean i want in executable fomat
[09:20] <andreasw> I just telled you a link to a program
[09:21] <notech> it's a tar.gz, just unpack it and read the README or INSTALL and install it
[09:21] <andreasw> maybe it is already in an ubuntu repository
[09:21] <dmbkiwi> sivaji_2009: you do realise you are using linux.  There is no such thing as an exe.
[09:21] <Siv0x> notech: install what?
[09:21] <notech> Siv0x: sorry, used your nick by accident
[09:21] <Siv0x> notech: np
[09:22] <sivaji_2009> yes i know  all i need is a file that supports mpeg4, avi ,wmv
[09:22] <dmbkiwi> sivaji_2009: assuming you are using kubuntu, you don't need to install kaffeine via a tar.bz2 file.  Open the software installer, and search for kaffeine and click install.  That's it.
[09:23] <dwidmann> Siv0x: I think someone used your nick accidentally
[09:23] <dmbkiwi> sivaji_2009: If you want to play mpeg4, wmv etc, you'll need the win32codecs package.  google for automatix, which will give you an easy way to install them.
[09:23] <sivaji_2009> yes i got already but that is old version doesnot supports avi mpeg4, wmv
[09:23] <dwidmann> dmbkiwi, sivaji_2009: it gets even funnier/better yet, kaffeine is installed by default in Kubuntu ;)
[09:24] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: you really have to read more about Ubuntu most of your problems are already solved and well documented
[09:24] <sivaji_2009> tell me how to update that using adept package manger
[09:24] <sivaji_2009> tell me how to update that using adept package manager
[09:24] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009:  With regards to "the exe question", just to approach the question from another angle, kaffeine doesn't run on windows.
[09:25] <dmbkiwi> sivaji_2009: update what?
[09:25] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: What version of kubuntu are you using, what version do you wish to use? To update it, you'd more than likely have to update all of KDE (though not the whole system)
[09:26] <dmbkiwi> dwidmann: I don't think kaffeine is part of official kde, so updating kde will be pointless.
[09:27] <sivaji_2009> i got 0.8 now i m downloading 0.8 i hope it will support mpeg4 , avi , wmv
[09:27] <sivaji_2009> i got 0.7 now i m downloading 0.8 i hope it will support mpeg4 , avi , wmv
[09:27] <dwidmann> dmbkiwi: well, what I meant more or less is that to update it, you'll probably end up updating all of kde in the process (or you might as well)
[09:28] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: we already told you that you don't have to update kaffeine
[09:28] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: just download the codecs
[09:28] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: and you can play everything
[09:28] <RealisticDragon> anyone fancy a game of scorched3d? (tis in the repos) :)
[09:28] <sivaji_2009> what is codecs
[09:29] <andreasw> for mpeg4 libxine-extracodecs
[09:29] <andreasw> you can install it with apt-get
[09:29] <andreasw> then google for a w32codec package download and install it
[09:29] <sivaji_2009> wait i will try and come
[09:29] <dwidmann> codecs is what you need to play video/audio files, things are compressed(encoded), and you need codecs(decoders) to play back the files
[09:43] <sivaji_2009> what is mean by "port"
[09:43] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: there are multiple meanings
[09:44] <just-this-time> sivaji_2009:  what is your mother tongue pal /
[09:44] <sivaji_2009> tell me any one
[09:44] <dwidmann> one meaning of port is to make an application run on another operating system ("porting software"), another common computing meaning has something to do with networking/security stuff
[09:44] <just-this-time> irc port is 6667
[09:45] <sivaji_2009> " sivaji_2009:  what is your mother tongue pal /" i cannt get u
[09:45] <RealisticDragon> a port is generally a "gateway"
[09:45] <RealisticDragon> hence, a port in terms of networking - one specific point of entry
[09:45] <RealisticDragon> or in software - to transfer software (by "porting") to another environment
[09:46] <sivaji_2009> i think port means a id
[09:46] <sivaji_2009> tell me about mother board what does it does
[09:47] <RealisticDragon> it holds the lowest layer of your computer, and all the interfaces by which the higher level bits talk
[09:47] <just-this-time> OMG
[09:48] <dwidmann> just-this-time: huh?
[09:48] <sivaji_2009> say clearly i am beginner i hope u get understand my level
[09:49] <stdin> what is your native language sivaji_2009 ?
[09:49] <sivaji_2009> marathi
[09:49] <dwidmann> the motherboard is the place where _everything_ gets plugged in :)
[09:51] <sivaji_2009> tell me what appens when computer is switched on (i can realise only fan sound )
[09:53] <dwidmann> devices get powered on, ROM code is executed and devices are checked for integrity, then it transfers control to the boot loader, more or less (probably a bit of both)
[09:54] <sivaji_2009> no one is willing to share u r knowledge with me
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> sivaji_2009: motherboard basically transferes information between devices (processor, HDD, Cd rom drive, memory etc)
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> at least that's how the magic school bus described it to me
[09:55] <stdin> magic school bus socks :P
[09:55] <stdin> s/socks/rocks/
[09:56] <stdin> typing not easy when drinking
[09:56] <sivaji_2009> what "stdin" represent
[09:56] <dwidmann> standard input - generally the keyboard
[09:56] <stdin> stdin = standard input
[09:57] <sivaji_2009> i think u like C program
[09:57] <robtp> can anyone tell me how to get right clicking working on kde, xmodmap isnt
[09:57] <sivaji_2009> i am just now learning c program
[09:57] <dmbkiwi> is sivaji_2009 a bot?
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> dmbkiwi: no
[09:58] <stdin> I'm only just starting to learn C, but I knew what stdin was before
[09:58] <sivaji_2009> bot means o know only boat
[09:58] <dmbkiwi> Admiral_Chicago: are you sure?
[09:58] <sivaji_2009> ok tell me what compiler u r using for c program
[09:58] <just-this-time> sivaji_2009: does not know good english
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, the only bots in here are Ubugtu and ubuntulog and ubotu
[09:59] <sivaji_2009> yes i not fit in english
[09:59] <ubuntu_> Hey
[09:59] <sivaji_2009> yes i am not fit in english
[09:59] <RealisticDragon> what language do you speak siv?
[10:00] <hepme> when firefox crashes what log does it generate?
[10:00] <hepme> how can i install flash9 plugin for firefox?
[10:00] <RealisticDragon> dont know hepme, you might get better information in #firefox
[10:00] <sivaji_2009> gcc is not intractive i cannot locate error eaily is there any better compiler
[10:00] <dope> what is daemon mode?
[10:01] <rmarianski> hepme: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[10:01] <RealisticDragon> daemon = run in background, like a sever
[10:01] <RealisticDragon> server
[10:01] <dope> well it's not workin :/
[10:02] <robtp> can anyone tell me how to get right click working on my macbook?
[10:02] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: kdevelop is pretty versatile, I'm not sure if it has a C debugger or not though
[10:02] <hepme> i cant install flash9 plugin from adept? :(
[10:02] <RealisticDragon> gdb is the gnu debugger :)
[10:02] <RealisticDragon> you can hepme
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> but you need to enable more repositories
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> !flash
[10:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:03] <hepme> i have multiverse and universe enabled in kubuntu 6.10
[10:03] <dwidmann> hepme: flash 9 is still beta in linux
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> i think it was in universe
[10:03] <hepme> but i don tsee flash9
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> i got flash 9 via the repos dwidmann :o
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> on 6.06
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> oh, maybe its in backports
[10:03] <hepme> must be
[10:03] <dwidmann> RealisticDragon: really? Are you sure?
[10:03] <sivaji_2009> what is kdevelop
[10:03] <stdin> hepme: the package is called flashplugin-nonfree
[10:03] <RealisticDragon> yes
[10:04] <hepme> stdin i see that package but it says version 7
[10:04] <RealisticDragon> i only have official repos (inc backports turned on) and i didnt install it
[10:04] <RealisticDragon> yet i have flash 9 :)
[10:04] <RealisticDragon> id give backports a try then, its in sources.lst just commented out
[10:04] <stdin> hepme: v9 is in backports repository
[10:04] <dwidmann> !info kdevelop
[10:04] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[10:04] <hepme> stdin will it work for firefox?
[10:04] <dwidmann> !kdevelop
[10:05] <stdin> hepme: yeah, it's the same as the one in multiverse, except version 9
[10:05] <robtp> rightlick not work, you help me yes?
[10:05] <dennis_> hallo ?
[10:05] <stdin> hello dennis_  :)
[10:06] <dennis_> hello, do you speak german ?
[10:06] <stdin> this is the english channel
[10:06] <stdin> !de
[10:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:07] <dennis_> !de
[10:07] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:07] <hepme> how come when i enable repositories in adept and click 'apply' i still dont see the new changes/packages? i even restarted adept
[10:07] <robtp> this is the english channel, does anyone know a bit abt my macbook not working? :)
[10:07] <dennis_> #ubuntu-de
[10:07] <robtp> hepme: did you apt-get update
[10:07] <dennis_> how can i start the german panel ?
[10:07] <hepme> no, i didnt think i had to
[10:07] <hepme> it needs a 'reload' button like synaptic
[10:07] <robtp> hepme: to see new packages/upgrades youd need to
[10:08] <robtp> "fetch updates"
[10:08] <stdin> hepme: it's the 1st button on the top left iirc
[10:08] <sivaji_2009> tell me some repositories
[10:08] <hepme> ah fetch updates works
[10:09] <robtp> see now what you have
[10:09] <stdin> !reop | sivaji_2009
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <stdin> !repo | sivaji_2009
[10:09] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:10] <freeride> hey, whats up
[10:10] <stdin> helps if you spell it right
[10:10] <dennis_> thanx..
[10:11] <freeride> anyone familiar with dapper's screensaver glitch?
[10:13] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[10:13] <sivaji_2009> in windows a software can be updated that is a .exe file can replace old version with new one is it possible in kubuntu
[10:14] <BluesKaj> yup, you can upgrade or update in synaptic or adept
[10:14] <sivaji_2009> how to update in adept
[10:14] <BluesKaj> as long as there is a new version available in the repository
[10:15] <BluesKaj> !adept
[10:15] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:15] <BluesKaj> !synaptic
[10:15] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[10:15] <sivaji_2009> in adept their is a button for updating but it ramain inactive always
[10:16] <BluesKaj> use the konsole type ; "sudo apt-get update" ..make sure that adept and synaptic are both closed
[10:17] <sivaji_2009> sudo apt-get update
[10:18] <sivaji_2009> now i am downloading packages i will try and tell you
[10:18] <BluesKaj> sivaji_2009, in the terminal or console
[10:18] <sivaji_2009> yes i know
[10:19] <BluesKaj> ok, good
[10:19] <sivaji_2009> i just pasted here for reference
[10:20] <BluesKaj> right, we don't know how noob ppl are so we assume they are very :)
[10:21] <sivaji_2009> "sudo apt-get update" am i suppose to be a root user
[10:21] <BluesKaj> like I was and still am in some areas
[10:21] <BluesKaj> sudo gives you permission
[10:21] <freeride> anyone here wanna help me fix my screensaver?
[10:22] <BluesKaj> you have to give it your password
[10:22] <BluesKaj> what's the prob , freeride?
[10:22] <sivaji_2009> ok
[10:22] <freeride> screensaver is borked
[10:22] <freeride> does not werk at all :-(
[10:22] <freeride> they all work in test
[10:22] <freeride> so I've just been clicking test when I get up :-P
[10:23] <freeride> but I'd like it to work
[10:23] <freeride> I read about a bug in dapper
[10:23] <freeride> related to the screensaver
[10:23] <BluesKaj> have you checked in sys/settings/desktop/ admin mode ?
[10:23] <freeride> nope, sure havent, whats that? hehe
[10:23] <sivaji_2009> 99% [6 Packages gzip 0] 
[10:23] <sivaji_2009> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[10:24] <sivaji_2009> Err http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Packages
[10:24] <sivaji_2009>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[10:24] <sivaji_2009> Fetched 6B in 4s (1B/s)
[10:24] <sivaji_2009> Failed to fetch http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[10:24] <sivaji_2009> Reading package lists... Done
[10:24] <sivaji_2009> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:24] <freeride> I'm running dapper
[10:24] <freeride> there is an admin mode button for display
[10:24] <freeride> but not desktop
[10:24] <freeride> if thats what you mean
[10:25] <BluesKaj> yup
[10:25] <freeride> I upgraded to edgy but it wouldnt start x after I installed all the packages because of a video conflict
[10:25] <freeride> so I just re-installed dapper
[10:25] <sivaji_2009> yup means
[10:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[10:25] <stdin> sivaji_2009: yup means yes
[10:25] <freeride> so anyways, I've been reading the known issues
[10:25] <freeride> and there is a scrensaver bug in dapper
[10:26] <rmarianski> freeride: did you use the update-manager to install edgy? I just upgraded to edgy from dapper and it's working fine
[10:26] <sivaji_2009> can u see the error report
[10:26] <freeride> but I need someone who understands this a little bit more than I do
[10:26] <freeride> corymon77 helped me install edguy by changing my sources list and doing a sudo apt-get
[10:26] <freeride> we spent most of last night doing that
[10:27] <freeride> but it wouldnt start x so I just re-installed dapper
[10:27] <rmarianski> freeride: i've read in a few places and on the forums that using apt-get is less reliable than going through the update-manager
[10:27] <rmarianski> freeride: you may want to try again using the update-manager
[10:27] <freeride> when you say update manager, do you mean adept?
[10:27] <stdin> sivaji_2009: try changing "http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports main" to "http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports main"
[10:27] <rmarianski> freeride: no .. there's an actual tool to upgrade called upgrade-manager
[10:27] <stdin> sivaji_2009: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:28] <BluesKaj> freeride, "sudo-dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:28] <rmarianski> freeride: err sorry ... update-manager
[10:28] <freeride> this is more than I want to tackle right now guys, I'd like to just get my screensaver working in dapper
[10:29] <rmarianski> freeride: the reconfigure might work also ... see this post: http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/10/aptget_distupgrade_broken_goin.html
[10:29] <BluesKaj> most of us are using edgy ...my experience in dapper is kinda limited , altho it's pretty straightforward with the scrnsver, if i remember correctly
[10:30] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[10:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:33] <redcliffe> hi all - i'm having some difficulties installing kubuntu 6.10 amd64
[10:34] <BluesKaj> rmarianski, the "reconfigure" worked for me yesterday
[10:34] <redcliffe> a lot of the time the installer freezes, and when i finally did get it to install in text mode it freezes about 10 seconds after getting to the kdm login prompt
[10:34] <redcliffe> yet debian on same machine is still running fine
[10:34] <freeride> if I set the screen saver priority to high and then apply it and then go back and check, it's back to low, it doesnt stay, what am I doing wrong?
[10:35] <redcliffe> any ideas what could be going wrong?
[10:46] <sts9> I tried installing kde4 and my copy did not some with "/usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop" as the directions state.  the only kde.desktop file that came with kde4 is "/usr/lib/kde4/share/services/searchproviders/kde.desktop" and that one says is named KDE API Documentation
[10:47] <sts9> anyone else try kde4 in full session?
[10:47] <ArrAKeeN> hi
[10:48] <sts9> hmm kde4libs did not install with kde4base-dev package
[10:59] <braddoro> is it possible to reinstall kubuntu and not       blow away   your home                                        directories?
[11:00] <braddoro> theya re ont heir own drive
[11:01] <braddoro> sorry for all of the extra spaces
[11:07] <stdin> braddoro: you could try to do a normal install and just don't format (you may need the alternate CD)
[11:07] <braddoro> stdin: thank you
[11:07] <stdin> np
[11:09] <mxwlpxwl> hello....i am having trouble running applications from the command line. i receive the error Gtk *** cannot connect to display. I've tried xhost + and exporting the display, but nothing is working
[11:09] <hepme> how can i open a .iso file without burning it to cd? (like using daemon tools in windows)
[11:10] <stdin> mxwlpxwl: run them as a normal user (not root)
[11:10] <stdin> hepme: sudo mount -t iso9660 /path/to/image.iso /path/to/mount -o loop
[11:11] <mxwlpxwl> yes, that will work, but i want to be able to run them as root also
[11:11] <Pirate-king> anybody try the fiesty fawn distro of kubuntu?
[11:11] <stdin> mxwlpxwl: then use 'sudo command'
[11:12] <stdin> Pirate-king: yeah, i'm running it now
[11:12] <Pirate-king> it runnis on my laptop as a live cd
[11:12] <Pirate-king> but
[11:12] <Pirate-king> when I go to install it craps out at the keyboard
[11:12] <Pirate-king> the screen
[11:13] <mxwlpxwl> stdin: yes, i know i can execute commands as root in that manner, but i would like to execute commands from a root login shell
[11:13] <Pirate-king> goes all blue
[11:13] <stdin> Pirate-king: I used the alternate CD, only problem is hda is called sda with the 2.6.19 kernel
[11:13] <rmarianski> mxwlpxwl: try something called "sux" apt-get install sux; sudo sux; xeyes
[11:14] <Pirate-king> yeah I tried that one
[11:14] <mxwlpxwl> rmarinanski: thnx
[11:14] <stdin> mxwlpxwl: all I need to do, to do that is 'xhost +LOCAL:' (as the normal user), then 'DISPLAY=:0 command' (as root)
[11:14] <Pirate-king> tring to install with an xp partion
[11:16] <rmarianski> stdin: i tried that and it works great, thx
[11:16] <stdin> you're welcome :D
[11:16] <genii> Happy New Years to some already :) Not here tho for about 6 3/4 hrs
[11:17] <genii> stdin How'd the herd1 update go?
[11:17] <mxwlpxwl> stdin: thanx. that seemed to work
[11:17] <stdin> hey, genii
[11:17] <stdin> the upgrade went ok actually :P
[11:17] <genii> stdin Hi :) Good to know
[11:19] <stdin> openoffice still isn't upgradable yet, but you can work around it
[11:19] <genii> anyone get Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers compiled under Edgy or Feisty yet?
[11:19] <genii> stdin Standard dist is what, 2.02?
[11:20] <genii> (OOo)
[11:20] <stdin> 2.1-1 is the upgrade candidate
[11:21] <genii> Ah OK
[11:21] <stdin> 2.0.4 is the dist default
[11:21] <stdin> (just had to check :P )
[11:21] <genii> :)
[11:22] <stdin> gotta get another drink, brb :P
[11:22] <genii> damn, new years eve and I'm feeling antisocial re: going out someplace etc
[11:23] <BluesKaj> <---staying home tonite, genii...freezing rain here
[11:24] <BluesKaj> small town ...few cabs and the driver are prolly out of it anyway
[11:24] <dwidmann> freezing rain, the best kind :)
[11:24] <hatta> we just got hit with 6 in of snow
[11:25] <BluesKaj> hatta, where ?
[11:25] <hatta> omaha
[11:25] <braddoro> i am trying to install kubuntu over and older installation, but I don't know which option to choose in order to preserve my home dirs
[11:26] <braddoro> resize IDE1 partition 6 and use freed space, erase hard disk (not this one) or manually edit partition table
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Northern Ontario....very little snow ...been raining for a month
[11:26] <braddoro> none of them sound good
[11:27] <genii> Drizzling a bit in Toronto
[11:27] <dwidmann> braddoro: if you had been wanting to keep your home directory, you should have put the home directory on a seperate partition to begin with ...
[11:27] <redcliffe> hi all - got problems with the 6.10 dvd for amd64, when it tries to switch to a higher graphic mode on install it freezes and the screens go blank
[11:27] <braddoro> drizzling rain in CHarlotte NC
[11:27] <BluesKaj> save them to a dvd/cd if possible and copy after re installing
[11:27] <braddoro> dwidmann: it is on a seperate partition
[11:28] <redcliffe> when i finally got it installed in text mode it freezes when i finally reach kdm
[11:28] <hatta> I thought I might go across town for a show tonight, but now I'll just stay at home and play with music software
[11:28] <braddoro> and I can't get the OS to boot in order to save them
[11:28] <redcliffe> the kdm login prompt comes up but freezes
[11:28] <just-this-time> pls help with this. komba2 ->mount all gives error smbmnt must be installed suid root
[11:28] <stdin> braddoro: manually edit the partition table, set it up as it was before, but make sure to choose not to format (or uncheck format)
[11:28] <genii> If you know which partition it uses manually edit option. Make /home the same again and tell it not to format that one
[11:29] <genii> stdin LOL
[11:29] <BluesKaj> redcliffe, have you tried configuring the graphics drivers in sys/settings
[11:29] <stdin> genii: his /home is on the same partition as  /
[11:29] <redcliffe> BluesKaj: where do i do that?
[11:29] <braddoro> stdin: thanks
[11:29] <hatta> anyone know some good tablature software?
[11:29] <redcliffe> BluesKaj: from the initial boot cd menu?
[11:29] <genii> I thought he just said /home was already on a separate partition....
[11:29] <hatta> difficulty: I'm playing the mandolin
[11:30] <BluesKaj> redcliffe, no it won't "take" there , do it after you install the OS
[11:30] <redcliffe> BluesKaj: well i can't get logged in to do that
[11:31] <stdin> genii: it may be, i'm in an easily confused state
[11:31] <redcliffe> i manually changed the settings in recovery mode in xorg.conf to use the nv driver, that got me to kdm, but no further as it locks up
[11:32] <BluesKaj> redcliffe, live cd?
[11:33] <genii> vesa driver *should* work in some safe setting to get kdm /X operational usually
[11:33] <redcliffe> BluesKaj: yep the kubuntu 6.10 amd64 live cd/install
[11:33] <redcliffe> burnt from the iso
[11:34] <BluesKaj> eeeww , the amd64 is buggy redcliffe , i dropped it due to allit's probs with hardware recognition and conf .... switched to x86
[11:34] <dwidmann> amd64 is only buggy on buggy hardware :P
[11:35] <redcliffe> ah ok, pity, wanted to get up on a 64 bit system
[11:35] <stdin> heh, that's true
[11:35] <BluesKaj> <--- amd64 cpu but running 32bit x86 edgy
[11:35] <genii> hatta Something called Lilypond looks interesting but I have not used it
[11:35] <redcliffe> dwidmann: yeah i've an albatron motherboard that's given me nothing but trouble, so figured it may be the problem
[11:35] <BluesKaj> there is no advantage to 64
[11:36] <dwidmann> there can be plenty of advantage to 64-bit, depending on what you do
[11:36] <BluesKaj> more trouble than it's worth
[11:36] <stdin> my BIOS is buggy, but that's what I expect from HP
[11:36] <redcliffe> depends what you're doing
[11:36] <hatta> genii, I'll check it out
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yeajh dwidmann, like ?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, try to convince me :)
[11:37] <genii> .
[11:37] <dwidmann> one sec, I had a goody laying around here somewhere
[11:37] <genii> sorry, keyboard burp
[11:37] <redcliffe> BluesKaj: 64 bit math for scientific simulations
[11:37] <stdin> 64bit is good if you have 4GB+ RAM and/or need very presice math
[11:38] <Sanne_> genii: you made your point (lol)
[11:38] <redcliffe> i use libgmp a lot, and 64 bit is useful for that
[11:38] <dwidmann> I hear rendering and encoding can be made quite a bit faster by using a 64-bit os.
[11:38] <redcliffe> but a working system is more important atm lol
[11:38] <genii> Sanne_ heh
[11:39] <redcliffe> alright thanks BluesKaj all, i'll try the x86 version
[11:39] <braddoro> well I either did it right, or I just blew away my home dirs
[11:40] <genii> hatta Apparently there is also an openoffice plugin for Lilypond also
[11:41] <genii> braddoro As long as you selected not to format /home you should be OK :) Just make sure ou have the same username as before afterwards
[11:41] <braddoro> will it overwrite it if I have the same username? when it creates my home dir
[11:41] <braddoro> I was wondering about that
[11:42] <braddoro> i was thinking I would use a differenet username and copy everything
[11:42] <genii> braddoror If you're unsure of using adduser etc   you could manually insert the name with vipw if you know how to use that
[11:43] <braddoro> i know how to add a user
[11:43] <braddoro> i just didn't know if I should do it durning the install
[11:43] <braddoro> i don't know if it will reinitialize my home dir if it already exists
[11:44] <genii> braddoro If you "man adduser" you can see the switch for not creating home dir etc
[11:45] <dwidmann> aha, I found what I was looking for
[11:45] <dwidmann> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318743
[11:47] <ethos_> Anyone here ever used Iodine (IP-over-DNS)?
[11:48] <genii> 80 over 53?
[11:48] <ethos_> IP tunneling through DNS server
[11:49] <genii> Hmm no, sorry. Sounds intriguing however
[11:50] <stdin> what would you use it for?
[11:50] <genii> Have you looked at gre?
[11:50] <ethos_> It really is.  Supposed to be able to tunnel IP traffic from home through DNS server to the airport or wherever you have to pay for access but still can reach DNS.
[11:50] <stdin> ooh, that dose sound nice
[11:51] <ethos_> I finally got it to run, but it says "retrying..." 5 times and stops.  I think my home computer might have gone into standby or something.
[11:51] <ethos_> Should be usefull for me since I work at the airport.
[11:51] <genii> So just piggypack tcp 80 stuff over some airport wireless provider like Wayport's DNS?
[11:52] <ethos_> That's the idea, I think.  I'm still learning.
[11:53] <ethos_> I setup a DNS server to route to my home IP and run iodine at home.  Then I run iodine on my laptop, supposed to make a tunnel through the DNS server.
[11:53] <genii> Interesting. I think this may only work if no port masquerading is involved
[11:53] <ethos_> I'm so close I can taste it.
[11:53] <BluesKaj> dwidmann, nowhere does it mention the lack of hardware recognition with edgy 64 ...that's my complaint .. I had numerous probs with sound and video and software for vudeo codec conversions etc
[11:54] <genii> 6.10 generally is having some iisues ith wireless and video for some reasons
[11:54] <ethos_> I can ping the local wayport DNS, I can ping my DNS to my home IP too.  Should be working.
[11:54] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: No problems with my hardware ;) I built this system with 64-bit Linux in mind of course. As for other things, most are generally pretty easy to work around.
[11:54] <ethos_> Maybe I don't understand masquerading or, more simply, my home computer is stalled.
[11:55] <lovloss> How do you browse the gui as root in kde? im used to gksudo nautilus.
[11:55] <dwidmann> lovloss: kdesu konqueror
[11:56] <lovloss> aha
[11:56] <BluesKaj> well, i've got this x86 version almost totally working to my liking ...not gonna switch now :)
[11:56] <lovloss> this kde is different than gnome alright
[11:57] <stdin> yes, kde is better :P
[11:57] <genii> ethos_ Likely your home setup needs to be that port 53 has to pass straight through to the machine which is doing DNSbehind it
[11:57] <lovloss> It seems to be more capable with applications than gnome.
[11:58] <hepme> how do you get to the desktop in kde from the mouse? so i dont have to do ctrl+alt+d, in gnome there's an icon you can click like in windows
[11:58] <genii> eg: forwarded straight thru, not masqueraded
[11:58] <lovloss> though im a bit mad that the add/remove manager crashes if i select "all suites" with "unsupported"
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hepme, startkde in the console
[11:59] <braddoro> YAY - all of my hone dirs are still there, thanks for the help folks
[11:59] <ethos_> I need to study iptables.  It's getting complicated.  :)
[11:59] <hepme> BluesKaj: huh
[12:00] <stdin> hepme: there is a "Show Desktop" applet
[12:00] <hepme> where
[12:00] <genii> ethos_ If you have a hardware router you don't need iptables etc much, can all be done in the router
[12:00] <dwidmann> hepme: right click the panel -> add applet to panel
[12:01] <stdin> there ^^^
[12:01] <genii> Only if that machine is in DMZ etc you should have filtering on the box directly
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hepme , do you know what the console is ?
[12:01] <ethos_> I'm directly connected.  I wonder if wayport uses routing.
[12:02] <genii> ethos_ I probed their networks a couple years ack and I can tell you they have a very secure setup on Debian
[12:02] <hepme> Blueskaj yes but you misunderstood my question :p
[12:02] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i'm gonna h4x0r j00 buahahhaa
[12:02] <hepme> thanks dwidmann that worked
[12:02] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: 0.o... lol
[12:02] <stdin> hepme: it bay be in the kdeaddons package, (which I recommend you install anyway because it has some cool applets in it) :P
[12:02] <lovloss> whats the kde equivalent of gedit?
[12:02] <genii> Kate
[12:02] <T3hWiz0rd> lovloss: vim ftw!
[12:02] <genii> or Kwrite
[12:02] <stdin> or kedit :P
[12:03] <dwidmann> kate, kedit, and kwrite are the editors that seem to float around ....
[12:03] <ethos_> Debian?  Wow.  That's interesting and depressing at the same time.  Meaning I may not be able to tunnel.
[12:03] <genii> stdin :)
[12:03] <lovloss> kdesu kate .... ?
[12:03] <stdin> lovloss: yeah, that'll work
[12:03] <genii> lovloss Yes, or any of the others mentioned
[12:03] <T3hWiz0rd> lovloss: you do know that (to my knowledge) kdesu shows your password as plain text.
[12:03] <hepme> which package is gvim?
[12:03] <ethos_> At least I can still ues my cell as a modem.
[12:04] <stdin> lovloss: tho I prefire 'sudo nano ...' :)
[12:04] <lovloss> ohhh ok
[12:04] <lovloss> ill sudo :3
[12:04] <BluesKaj> can someone answer hepme ... we're not communicating very well
[12:04] <T3hWiz0rd> stdin: if vim heard you use nano it would eat your spleen for dessert.
[12:04] <hepme> Blueskaj they answered my show-desktop question
[12:05] <genii> ethos_ Their setup has holes. as user "nobody" I was able to print off on their network printers that they bettter fix some user priveledges
[12:05] <hepme> waiting for my gvim question though :) i think it's vim-gtk?
[12:05] <T3hWiz0rd> stdin: don't be afraid of vim, embrace it
[12:05] <dwidmann> hepme: it's the vim-gtk package
[12:05] <hepme> vim isn't hard, you only have to learn a handful of commands to do most things, plus if you get gvim it has menus
[12:05] <stdin> can't, I'm vim-o-phobic
[12:05] <Rob-West> y can i access my PC from windows
[12:05] <dom> vim-full has it too iirc
[12:05] <hepme> it just has a TON of features you can use optionally if you ever want to,
[12:06] <genii> stdin I'm vim-o-phobic also LOL
[12:06] <hepme> if you can use man pages you can use vim
[12:06] <genii> <-- nano, pico   etc
[12:07] <hepme> think of it like a pager program where you can type commands without having to press the ctrl key first, and whenever you want to edit you just hit 'i' to go into 'insert text mode' and when you want to go back to command mode you just hit escape. thats IT
[12:07] <hepme> simple
[12:07] <dwidmann> vim-tiny is the scourge of the the universe :\
[12:07] <genii> dwidmann I must agree
[12:07] <Rob-West> !help
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[12:07] <stdin> read a howto when I 1st started to use linux, and it said "type 'vim /bah/blah', and I couldn't figure out how to exit it, so I had to restart by pressing the power button :P
[12:08] <Rob-West> samba is being gay
[12:08] <T3hWiz0rd> Rob-West: how do you know its being "Gay"
[12:08] <T3hWiz0rd> for all you know it could be acting perfectly hetrosexual, and it is YOU who is gay, and therefore, unfamiliar with it.
[12:08] <hepme> it must be samba dancing
[12:08] <genii> Rob-West It wants "MSHOME" as default workgroup?
[12:08] <stdin> it's having sex with same sex apps ?
[12:08] <dwidmann> stdin: <ESC>, followed by :help, is your friend.
[12:09] <Rob-West> thats not my default though
[12:09] <stdin> dwidmann: nano is my best friend for quick editing tho
[12:09] <hepme> i dont think people realize that calling things 'gay' when they dont like something about it comes across as homophobic
[12:09] <genii> In vi/vim when in doubt hit <esc> several times:) Also :q! is your friend
[12:09] <stdin> Rob-West: the reason is that windows default is MSHOME (from XP anyway)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:10] <hepme> gay people rule. gay girls are hot and gay guys leave me more women for us. win/win
[12:10] <stdin> hepme: that's right, you tell them
[12:10] <Rob-West> its just called workgroup
[12:10] <genii> Rob-West Change it in smb.conf
[12:10] <T3hWiz0rd> hepme: lol
[12:10] <Rob-West> Windows Network
[12:10] <dwidmann> It's a quick change in kcmsambaconf or smb.conf to change the workgroup :)
[12:10] <Rob-West> well thats what its called
[12:11] <T3hWiz0rd> Rob-West: in smb.config write line "work group = workgroupnameherestopcallingsambagay"
[12:11] <VincentMX> H4PPY N3WY34R!!
[12:11] <BluesKaj> trouble is women like gay guys ...less threatening than us straights
[12:11] <hepme> yeah, tom cruise gets all the chicks
[12:11] <hatta> nobodys threatend by linux nerds
[12:11] <stdin> VincentMX: I'll say it back in 59 mins
[12:12] <genii> when samba starts behaving in a metrosexual manner I'll be troubled....
[12:12] <dwidmann> Hah!
[12:12] <hepme> xml config?