[12:49] <TheMuso> c
[12:58] <_ion> c++
[12:59] <bddebian> VB
[01:02] <bddebian> heh
[01:04] <_ion> I've actually written a Visual Basic program in my life: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8670463511478827246
[01:04] <_ion> The blood doesn't wash away. :-(
[01:15] <jdub> does the new initramfs-tools fix 2.6.20 booting?
[12:42] <Stonekeeper> Hi. I have an idea for supporting non-supported drivers in Ubuntu. Is this the place for the suggestion?
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Stonekeeper, probably not on New Year's Day (or close to).
[12:44] <kent> Stonekeeper: i think the correct way is to enter a bugreport/featuere-request on launchpad.
[12:44] <Treenaks> kent: or even a spec
[01:01] <Stonekeeper> ok thanks. Do you mind if i run the idea past you for some ideas/feedback?
[01:02] <tsmithe> i don't
[01:05] <Stonekeeper> ok, my idea is pretty simple. The problem is hunting around for drivers on non-supported h/w. This is akin to hunting around for software on windows. Apt does a great job of fixing this. So I had the idea of having a central DB that OS driver maintainers could register with. Desktop users have a simple front-end that scans the DB for a driver and does a download/untar/configure;make;make install. It would be totally unsuported and community driven. I
[01:05] <Stonekeeper> perhaps it's unworkable - i don't know.
[01:10] <Stonekeeper> anyway, I'll leave you with that little thought. Happy new year to you all :)
[01:10] <Chipzz> I am not a developer, but I can see a whole lot of things wrong with this
[01:10] <Chipzz> heh
[01:11] <Chipzz> great :P
[01:19] <rob> I remember seeing a project that was attempting something pretty similar to that actually
[01:19] <rob> minus the installation bit
[01:21] <Chipzz> I think one of the biggest problems would be even though it would be unsupported, people would still demand support for kernels with additional modules compiled this way
[01:21] <Chipzz> or even be able to easily identify such modifications
[01:22] <tsmithe> yes
[01:22] <Chipzz> cfr the big easyubuntu/automatix/etc debacle
[01:22] <tsmithe> urgh
[01:22] <rob> yeah, the project I'm thinking of was more a general information application that you could use to scan your hardware and provide information on drives and things which it then kept in a central database which others could then query via the application on their computer
[01:55] <neuralis> rob: a h/w database web app is one of the feisty specs, iirc
[01:56] <rob> nice, but is the "app" website based or a traditional on each pc based?
[01:58] <neuralis> rob: "web app"
[01:59] <rob> like, ajax?
[02:01] <neuralis> no. last i heard at uds-mtv, the discussion was about a prettified, html-based, database-driven interface to the existing hwdb submissions.
[04:16] <Anarchy> aight I tried in main channel but wtf is with a patch like this http://rafb.net/p/NoWt3d86.nln.html why not put out something more unified so other distros can use the same patch
[04:21] <zorglu_> hehe anarchy was the old nick of alan cox
[04:21] <zorglu_> i had to check :)
[04:21] <Anarchy> well nvm I have what I need already 
[08:23] <Solarion> ello
[08:24] <Solarion> anyone seen http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36635
[08:24] <Solarion> "So, unable to transfer the install easily, unable to legally use a different CD of Windows with my legally purchased key, and unable to install the drivers with the one I had, I was left with only one option. The machine was put in place Saturday running Ubuntu."
[08:24] <Solarion> happy new year!
[11:19] <alecjw> hi. i have a feature request, which i don't want to file a specification or whatever on yet, i want to see what people think first.
[11:19] <alecjw> is this the right place?
[11:19] <alecjw> or should that go in #ubuntu+1
[11:22] <Toadstool> depending on the amount of work (ie. if it involves modifying several packages or just one), I'd say either a wishlist bug or a spec and before submitting it you can send a mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:24] <alecjw> Toadstool: ok then. it's a suggestion for the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. i think i'll email the list. do i need to sign up or anything or do i just send the mail?
[11:26] <Toadstool> alecjw: you can send an email and explicitly ask for being CC'ed but I'd advise to subscribe
[11:26] <alecjw> Toadstool: how do i subscribe then?
[11:27] <alecjw> just send a blank email to the list?
[11:27] <Toadstool> http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[11:27] <Toadstool> nope
[11:27] <alecjw> thanks
[11:46] <wasabi_> This may seem radical, but why doesn't apache use shared-mime-info?
[11:48] <_ion> That would be nice.