[12:13] <bddebian> crimsun: Do you happen to know/comprehend the sort order of packages on REVU?
[12:15] <crimsun> sorry, I'm using a new irc client (konversation), and I'm not used to its lack of displaying notifications
[12:16] <crimsun> bddebian: no idea
[12:16] <crimsun> rexbron: about?
[12:16] <rexbron> crimsun: the murrine package
[12:19] <tsmithe> bddebian, it's by needs_work
[12:19] <tsmithe> :P
[12:19] <tsmithe> i think it should be by date
[12:19] <tsmithe> but apparently needs_work is better
[12:20] <crimsun> no, needs_work is better
[12:20] <bddebian> By "needs work" what?
[12:20] <tsmithe> it's a field in the table
[12:20] <crimsun> by date would pull all the oldest/newest to the top
[12:20] <crimsun> that would -suck- in terms of drive-by revuing
[12:20] <tsmithe> really?
[12:21] <tsmithe> ok
[12:21] <bddebian> Well at least displaying a year would be nice ;-)
[12:21] <tsmithe> yeah
[12:21] <crimsun> rexbron: did you upload a new one that you've test-built, installed, and used?
[12:21] <crimsun> sorry, I'm tackling a grave bug in mutagen atm
[12:22] <rexbron> the upload failed and not ftp complains that the .dsc exists
[12:22] <rexbron> crimsun: is still there with -f
[12:22] <crimsun> rexbron: ah, you'll need an admin to remove it (I'm not an admin)
[12:23] <rexbron> any admins for revu here?
[12:26] <rexbron> crimsun: could you ping an admin for revu?
[12:29] <crimsun> I'll have no better luck than what you just did
[12:29] <crimsun> they're either asleep or heading that way
[12:29] <crimsun> (most are in EU or NZ)
[12:30] <rexbron> ugg
[12:31] <tsmithe> yay! eu!
[12:33] <rexbron> ok, I will periocally ask for an admin
[12:36] <rexbron> siretart: ping
[12:36] <siretart> rexbron: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[12:37] <rexbron> siretart: could you please remove the paritial upload of murrine_0.31-0ubuntu3
[12:38] <rexbron> ajmitch: could you please remove the paritial upload of murrine_0.31-0ubuntu3
[12:44] <rexbron> raphink: could you please remove the paritial upload of murrine_0.31-0ubuntu3
[12:50] <crimsun> argh, bitten by g-v-m's noexec mount flag for external usb drives
[05:42] <Winter-1> hello
[05:42] <Winter-1> can someone tell me how i can go about compiling source to a deb
[05:44] <Hobbsee> as in, for your own system?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> !compile
[05:44] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:44] <Winter-1> for the community
[05:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:44] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[05:44] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:44] <Hobbsee> check otu ^
[05:45] <Winter-1> what ive noticed is that there seems to lack some debs for 64-bit machines so i decided i wanna step it up and help out
[05:46] <Hobbsee> the problem with that is that some programs dont actually build and work on 64bit machines, hence the lack of debs...
[05:46] <imbrandon> well it depends on the app, all programs that are for i386 should have source for x86_64 too in the repos, its just a matter if it compiled or not
[06:17] <joejaxx> ld: cannot find -lcl
[06:17] <joejaxx> anyone ever come across that before?
[06:18] <joejaxx> it is probably something silly
[06:18] <joejaxx> one of the libs are missing 
[06:20] <joejaxx> bddebian: ever come across this before?
[06:21] <bddebian> Never heard of libcl no :-(
[06:21] <joejaxx> me either
[06:34] <joejaxx> has anyone else heard of it?
[07:39] <rexbron> ajmitch: are you there?
[07:43] <crimsun> rexbron: I'd try again in the new year :)
[07:43] <joejaxx> crimsun: ! maybe you know lol
[07:43] <joejaxx> hello rexbron 
[07:44] <joejaxx> crimsun: ever heard of -lcl (libcl)?
[07:44] <joejaxx> ie ld not finding it
[07:45] <crimsun> it looks like something pascal-related
[07:46] <crimsun> ...and something hp-ux-specific at that
[07:47] <rexbron> crimsun: I guess, man I want this uploaded
[07:47] <crimsun> rexbron: relax, there won't be any serious archive processing until the second week of Jan '07 anyhow
[07:47] <rexbron> crimsun: Did you solve the problem you were facing?
[07:48] <crimsun> joejaxx: is it related to a crypto lib?
[07:48] <crimsun> rexbron: oh yeah, the fixed binary has been available in feisty for several hours
[07:48] <rexbron> crimsun: thats good
[07:48] <joejaxx> crimsun: it might be i have never ran across a -lcl
[07:49] <crimsun> woops, need to update sbuild
[07:49] <rexbron> crimsun: Maybe you can help. I am trying to install pyperl but it complains that it can not find -lperl
[07:50] <rexbron> also, is it possible to package python modules?
[07:50] <crimsun> rexbron: libperl-dev
[07:50] <rexbron> ok
[07:50] <crimsun> and yes
[07:50] <rexbron> thought I had that
[07:50] <rexbron> but will check
[07:50] <crimsun> see the Debian wiki for Python
[07:50] <rexbron> ok
[07:53] <rexbron> wow...
[07:53] <rexbron> thanks crimsun
[07:53] <rexbron> I should have thought of that
[07:54] <joejaxx> crimsun: i do not know if it is a crypt lib or not
[07:54] <crimsun> joejaxx: what can you deduce from the context?
[07:54] <joejaxx> crimsun: it compiles fine on ubuntu and not gentoo
[07:55] <joejaxx> and i do not have any crypt lib packages installed
[07:55] <joejaxx> crimsun: well this is a bbs
[07:55] <crimsun> hmm, perhaps some use flag(s)?
[07:55] <crimsun> I'm not familiar w/ Gentoo
[07:58] <joejaxx> crimsun: yeah that might be it i will see
[10:10] <neutrinomass> any idea why 'rootstrap' has been removed? pbuilder-uml depends on it 
[10:20] <crimsun> neutrinomass, it was removed from hoary and never readded
[10:22] <neutrinomass> crimsun: which I assume was done on purpose ? should I then request a removal of pbuilder-uml as well ?
[10:23] <crimsun> neutrinomass, note that it was also removed from testing earlier this year because of a grave bug due to the u-m-l package at that time not providing devfs, which broke /dev/ubd/1
[10:24] <crimsun> (bug #342694)
[10:25] <crimsun> all that needs to be done is have unstable's rootstrap source package resynced (and unblacklisted if necessary)
[10:26] <crimsun> that probably can be addressed after the new year (circa second week in Jan '07)
[10:27] <neutrinomass> ok then :) thanks !
[11:37] <neutrinomass> how can a package build-depend on itself :-/ ?
[11:37] <tsmithe> in silliness
[11:37] <tsmithe> or a drunken fit of packaging
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:38] <neutrinomass> this hasn't built since 2004
[11:38] <tsmithe> drunken i tell you
[11:38] <tsmithe> now it's just lying in the gutter
[11:38] <tsmithe> begging
[11:42] <neutrinomass> heh, it doesn't build if it doesn't build-depend on itself !
[11:43] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: tell the maintainer to put *down* the crack pipe
[11:44] <Amaranth> lmao
[11:44] <Amaranth> Doesn't mono do some crazy stuff like that?
[11:45] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: it's quite weird actually, it seems to be OK on debian (1 open bug report, 5 updates in 2006)
[11:45] <neutrinomass> (this is mit-scheme btw)
[11:45] <Amaranth> neutrinomass: it can build depend on itself after it's been bootstrapped
[11:45] <Amaranth> like glibc
[11:46] <Amaranth> you have to do special things to get it to build the first time though :)
[11:47] <neutrinomass> yeah, I suppose so - I'll leave it to somebody else though, it's quite beyond me 
[12:54] <tsmithe> do library packages have to be in the form lib<name><version> ?
[12:54] <tsmithe> or can i leave <version> out?
[12:55] <tsmithe> surely apt deals with versions
[12:55] <tsmithe> or is it to keep old binary compatibility?
[12:55] <tsmithe> and thus the old, differently named package
[01:04] <azeem> tsmithe: <version> is the library major version (aka soname), not the package version
[01:04] <tsmithe> yes
[01:05] <tsmithe> ok
[01:05] <tsmithe> so it's still necessary
[01:05] <tsmithe> like i thought...
[01:05] <azeem> it's necessary so that people can install different libraries versions in parallel
[01:05] <tsmithe> yes
[01:05] <tsmithe> also like i thought...
[01:05] <tsmithe> what if it's zero?
[01:05] <tsmithe> do i just do libfoo0?
[01:05] <azeem> yes
[01:06] <tsmithe> okey
[01:06] <tsmithe> thanks
[01:09] <tsmithe> and is the -dev version libfoo0-dev?
[01:09] <geser> usually it is only libfoo-dev
[01:10] <geser> in most cases you want to link against the latest version of libfoo
[01:15] <tsmithe> geser, okey
[01:15] <tsmithe> thanks
[01:19] <Jozo-> tsmithe: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[01:19] <tsmithe> okeys
[08:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:10] <ademan> with the phoenix repository builder?
[11:10] <ademan> oops
[12:04] <pianoboy3333> How do I apply a dsc and a .diff.gz to an .orig.tar.gz?
[12:04] <crimsun> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[12:04] <superm1> dpkg-source -x
[12:05] <pianoboy3333> thanks
[12:07] <davromaniak> Happy New Year for Europe (except UK) !!!!