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[05:59] <lnxkde> happy new year people
[07:01] <nixternal> happy new year everyone (just hit in chicago and im sick as a dog) :(
[07:02] <crimsun> hope you feel better soon.
[07:03] <nixternal> thank you sir
[07:04] <nixternal> it is safer right here at the puter then it is out there
[07:04] <crimsun> understandably
[07:04] <nixternal> we are chilling, watchin' some tv, listening to the scanner, and eatin' :)
[07:04] <crimsun> I'm triaging bugs and working through merges.
[07:05] <nixternal> hehe
[07:05] <nixternal> i did some boogs earlier
[07:08] <Jucato> happy new year crimsun, nixternal!
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[07:09] <crimsun> same to you, Jucato
[07:11] <nixternal> happy new year Jucato
[07:18] <crimsun> I always dreamed of spending NYE triaging ALSA bugs...
[07:18] <Jucato> :O
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[12:23] <ThomasZ> Hiya; is there a way to convince the edgy (GUI) installer to use the partition table I created outside the installer?
[12:24] <ThomasZ> It seems to not allow me to install with a self-formatted reiserFS partition :/
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[12:55] <Riddell> ThomasZ: GUI installer?  just do manual partitioning and it should let you do whatever you want
[12:55] <Riddell> skip past qtparted through, it's crap
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[12:56] <ThomasZ> Riddell: well, I did that when I installed dapper; but I can't do that anymore in edgy
[12:56] <Riddell> why not?
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[12:57] <ThomasZ> Riddell: if I try the 'Prepare mount points' screen will refuse to let me go to the next screen as long as I don't select a partition that is non-reiserfs.
[12:57] <ThomasZ> Riddell: it says that I didn't select a root partition. But I did. And when I go back and reformat that root partition as ext3; then it works.
[12:58] <ThomasZ> Riddell: seems its because it forces a reformat. So it needs a known filesystem.
[12:58] <ThomasZ> not sure why it _must_ format...
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[12:59] <Riddell> mm, yes, it does like it to be formatted right enough
[12:59] <Riddell> that'll change in feisty
[01:00] <ThomasZ> That would be much welcomed :)
[01:01] <Riddell> you can use the alternate installed in the mean time
[01:01] <Riddell> s/installed/installer/
[01:01] <ThomasZ> is it on the cd?
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[01:04] <ThomasZ> ugh; it mounts the reiserFS filesystems as 'notail' :(
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[01:07] <Riddell> the alternate installer is on a different CD
[01:07] <ThomasZ> ok. my cdwriter doesn't work anymore (on laptop) since I upgraded from daper to edgy; so I'll try my moving-around plan.
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[01:24] <mhb> good afternoon everyone
[01:24] <Jucato> hi mhb, happy new year :)
[01:25] <mhb> thanks Jucato, happy new year to you too
[01:26] <mhb> Does anyone know where you can modify the volume settings pop-up that appears when you push the volume-up/volume-down keys on a laptop?
[01:27] <mhb> I made pictures :o)
[01:27] <mhb> http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6265/kubuntufh0.png <-- current state in Kubuntu
[01:27] <Jucato> I wonder if you could have those popups without kmilo...
[01:27] <mhb> http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6265/kubuntufh0.png <-- current state in Ubuntu
[01:27] <mhb> sorry
[01:27] <mhb> http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5797/ubuntuqr7.png <-- Ubuntu
[01:28] <ThomasZ> Riddell: reported #77602
[01:29] <ThomasZ> mhb: I think its a screen from the kmix/gnome-mix apps..
[01:30] <mhb> If you can take a look at those two screenshots you'll see that the Ubuntu one is smaller (thus unobtrusive) and fits more in the environment
[01:31] <mhb> ThomasZ: I can't find any gnome-mix, though.
[01:31] <ThomasZ> mhb: different desktop environments different opinions.  I rather like the kde version.  Its only on screen for a split second and it being rather big is really helpful.
[01:31] <ThomasZ> I have not started gnome is many years. No clue what software handles it there.
[01:32] <Jucato> mhb: afaik it's KMilo that handles that OSD for KDE
[01:33] <mhb> Jucato, ThomasZ : thanks for the hints
[01:34] <fdoving> mhb: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopButtons
[01:36] <mhb> fdoving: thanks, I can never find the right spec :o)
[01:37] <Jucato> does anyone know of a doc or wiki that explains what the benefits of USplash are? like, why it was made instead of using something like splashy or fbsplash?
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[01:55] <ThomasZ> re;  seems kde-edu has broken packages in edgy.
[01:55] <ThomasZ> blinken depends on ttf-sjfonts (which is a virtual package)
[01:57] <ThomasZ> and libkiten1 depends on edict which is a virtual package.
[01:59] <mhb> okay, I read the KubuntuLaptopButtons spec and some of the code. From what I understand, it is possible to modify the UI (after all, why not). The question is: Do we want to make it fit more into the environment or do we want to leave it as-is?
[02:00] <ThomasZ> grml; and when I get it to install it fails on ttf-distin with script errors.  Are you guys doing any checks before you upload packages! :/
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[02:03] <mhb> ThomasZ: all of the packages mentioned by you install fine on my Feisty machine. Are you 100% sure the devs broke that? Could it not be a fault of your local repository mirror perhaps?
[02:03] <ThomasZ> mhb: I installed edgy 5 minutes ago
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[02:05] <mhb> No CIDSupplement specified for Gulim-Regular, defaulting to 0. <-- this is a message I get after installing ttf-sjfonts, but it's not a critical error
[02:06] <mhb> hi abattoir, happy new year ... have you pushed the stuff yet (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) ?
[02:06] <abattoir> hello mhb, you too...
[02:06] <Jucato> lol
[02:06] <Jucato> oops...
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[02:06] <abattoir> actually Happy new year to everyone here :)
[02:06] <abattoir> (those who celebrate it now)
[02:07] <ThomasZ> Ah, I see the problem. It got stuff from the kde355 dir Riddell put up; which fails like I pointed out.  But it works fine if I edit my sources to include universe multiverse.
[02:07] <Jucato> hm... doesn't Edgy already come with KDE 3.5.5?
[02:09] <ThomasZ> yes.  I was confused since it has a really old koffice, and I added both that and the kde rule to my apt source.
[02:10] <ThomasZ> maybe the deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 edgy main  should be taken offline :)
[02:11] <Jucato> :)
[02:15] <mhb> Riddell: I think discussing it at the meeting might be a good idea but you're the BDFL here, so it's you who decides that... (The question was: "Do we want to make KMilo volume pop-ups fit more into the environment or do we want to leave them as-is?")
[02:18] <Riddell> mhb: if someone is willing to do the work for a nicer kmilo theme, I'm all for it
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[02:20] <ThomasZ> define 'nicer' ;)
[02:21] <Jucato> one that doesn't eat humans...
[02:22] <mhb> Riddell: I might find the time for that, but (I guess) it's not a bad idea to discuss what it should look like...
[02:26] <Riddell> some mockups would be a very good idea
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[02:31] <ThomasZ> some semi transparant text which resemble on-screen-display from TV might be nice. As long as it stayes pretty big and not as tiny as that gnome example.
[02:32] <fdoving> ThomasZ: something like katapult?
[02:33] <mhb> Riddell: okay, I'll make some. When will the next meeting take place? This month?
[02:33] <ThomasZ> fdoving: no; with semi transparant I don't mean non-square.  But really see-though. Just being subtle.
[02:33] <Riddell> yeah, would should organise one for next week
[02:34] <fdoving> ThomasZ: yes, like katapult?
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[02:35] <ThomasZ> fdoving: ah; I see that the one in edgy looks a bit nicer than the one in dapper.
[02:35] <ThomasZ> fdoving: well, maybe.  I was more thinking about not having a window. Just big text.
[02:36] <ThomasZ> heh, good thing I have a new install; didn't do a apt-get remove katapult yet ;)
[02:36] <fdoving> i'd like it configurable.
[02:37] <fdoving> I have a slow computer, i don't like fancy transparent stuff, so i prefer the one we have, or something similar.
[02:37] <ThomasZ> true; I think the current one is great. I see no reason at all to change it.
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[03:17] <ThomasZ> hmm; booting as single user gives me a read only root filesystem. With only errors when I try to remount it readwrite. In other words; useless.
[03:19] <fdoving> what errors?
[03:20] <ThomasZ> it says already mounted. (and mount indeed states its mounted rw). But I can't write anywhere.
[03:21] <fdoving> sounds like a broken filesystem.
[03:22] <ThomasZ> without any messages in my logs? I kind of doubt that.
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[03:24] <fdoving> if mount says it's mounted rw it is mounted rw. if you can't write, it's broken.
[03:25] <fdoving> or something, is very broken.
[03:25] <ThomasZ> thats not true; mount just reads /etc/mtab.  Which may not be correct (because its not writable, for intance ;)
[03:25] <fdoving> you can always remount ro and remount rw again.
[03:25] <ThomasZ> fsck returned no errors.
[03:27] <ThomasZ> ok. writing works fine from the cd. Lets see what a reboot does.
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[03:29] <ThomasZ> lol; for the first time I actually saw that there are really small and dark-blue text when I reboot the cd asking me to press enter. (I was getting annoyed I had to press the reboot button so often already).
[03:29] <ThomasZ> very bad choice of color, guys.
[03:38] <imbrandon> ...
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[05:07] <bddebian> Happy New Year!
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[05:29] <nixternal> boo
[05:33] <bddebian> aaahhh
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[10:24] <neoncode> Sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong channel, but do all the scripts in /etc/init.d/ run on startup? Or do they do something else?
[10:26] <fdoving> neoncode: no, they are not. the runlevels defines what is started and what's not. the default runlevel is 2. /etc/rc2.d/ holds the files that control what is started/stopped in runlevel 2.
[10:27] <neoncode> So, what's init.d for?
[10:27] <fdoving> it holds the scripts
[10:28] <neoncode> Ohhh... I see.. thanks
[10:30] <fdoving> in /etc/rc2.d/ you find S10sysklogd, that means start sysklogd, the number is used to select what is started first. lowest first.
[10:31] <fdoving> K means kill, or stop.
[10:32] <fdoving> so S10sysklogd will be the same as /etc/init.d/sysklogd start.
[10:32] <fdoving> K20ssh will be the same as /etc/init.d/ssh stop.
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[11:49] <toma> !info wajig
[11:49] <ubotu> wajig: simplified Debian package management front end. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.34 (edgy), package size 90 kB, installed size 428 kB
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