[12:13] <genii> hatta Did you check out Lilypond? I'm curious of a review :)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> metrosexual another media invention that should be ignored ...is merely a marketing thing to get more gay fashions on the streets
[12:13] <stdin> genii: samba doesn't moisturise yet :P
[12:14] <hepme> does kde come with gtk already installed?
[12:14] <crimsun> BluesKaj, surely you meant that for -offtopic...
[12:14] <dwidmann> and here I wasn't even sure if metrosexual was a term that existed outside of that one episode of southpark ...
[12:14] <hepme> or -hottopic
[12:15] <hatta> genii, I was looking for something with a gui
[12:15] <BluesKaj> hey crimsun , just my 2cents worth in this conversation , besides it's true ...offtopic or no :)
[12:15] <dwidmann> hepme: I don't think so
[12:15] <hatta> lilypad is kind of like latex for music
[12:15] <stdin> hepme: no, kde won't have GTK installed
[12:15] <hepme> is it possible that having gtk installed in kde can cause conflicts?
[12:15] <hatta> kguitar would be great if it had a mandolin mode
[12:15] <genii> hatta There seems to be an OO plugin for it
[12:15] <stdin> hepme: no, it'll work fine
[12:16] <BluesKaj> hepme, gnome is old hat, kde rules anyway
[12:16] <hepme> too bad qt isn't full open source
[12:16] <hatta> yeah but I'm looking for something I can play with in real time and hear midi as well as see score
[12:16] <hatta> sure it is
[12:16] <dwidmann> hepme: lies. It's licensed  under the gpl v2, what more do you want?
[12:17] <hepme> it is? my friend said it wasnt :( guess i've been misinformed
[12:17] <hatta> just because you have the option to license it under a non-free license, doesn't mean it's not free
[12:17] <stdin> qt is the way of the future, embrace it
[12:17] <hatta> it's dual licensed
[12:17] <T3hWiz0rd> qt originally suffered from licensing issues which lead to the creation of the gnome project. Such issues are now history.
[12:17] <genii> hatta Rosegarden is a gui project for Lilypond
[12:17] <hepme> what year did qt become open/free?
[12:17] <dwidmann> I have a feeling that was back in the 90's
[12:18] <hatta> genii, oh neat
[12:19] <freeride> has anyone used adept to install gimp on dapper?
[12:19] <genii> hatta There is a deb for Sarge but dunno if ported to ubuntu yet
[12:19] <root_> yeah
[12:19] <freeride> ok, I did it and it works but the tool discriptions dont pop up
[12:19] <freeride> you know what I'm talking about?
[12:19] <hatta> genii, that's ok, I have a debian box too
[12:19] <root_> strange i dont seem to have that issue
[12:19] <hepme> i installed vim-gtk but i dont see it in the menus, any idea where it is?
[12:19] <genii> hatta :)
[12:19] <freeride> am I missing a package or something?
[12:19] <root_> is your video all setup right?
[12:20] <dwidmann> hepme, if it's not in the menus, try running it in konsole
[12:20] <root_> i know i was having some issues with gimp when i was using default vid. drivers
[12:20] <freeride> you know how you hover the cursor over each tool or button and a little discription pops up? well mine does that but they're just little blank boxes with no discription
[12:20] <freeride> yeah, my vid is setup
[12:20] <freeride> I'm using ati drivers
[12:21] <root_> hmm, im not sure whats up, maybe uninstall and reinstall would be my best guess
[12:21] <hepme> dwidmann:  how can i get it in the menu?
[12:21] <dwidmann> hepme: the command in konsole is gvim.
[12:21] <hepme> i'm used to gnome that has 'alacarte' menu editor, what does kdehave
[12:21] <BluesKaj> k-menu
[12:22] <genii> !rosegarden | hatta
[12:22] <ubotu> rosegarden: music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.2.4-1 (edgy), package size 3244 kB, installed size 7768 kB
[12:22] <BluesKaj> kocontrol
[12:22] <dwidmann> hepme: right click on the menu button, menu editor, new item, call it whatever you want, command is gvim
[12:22] <BluesKaj> err kcontrol
[12:22] <stdin> hepme: right click on the k-menu, and click "menu editor"
[12:22] <hepme> always easier than i think
[12:22] <freeride> any ideas?
[12:22] <root_> yeah i would reinstall freeride
[12:22] <dwidmann> lots of ideas, just no good ones
[12:22] <freeride> ok, I'll remove it and try that
[12:22] <freeride> thanks
[12:22] <freeride> one more question
[12:23] <root_> ya?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> !popups
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about popups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <freeride> what is the little text display that people have on their desktops showing processor usage and drives and stuff?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> !dialogs
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dialogs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <dwidmann> freeride: superkaramba applets
[12:23] <root_> there are a few actually
[12:23] <root_> yeah
[12:23] <root_> and xsensors
[12:24] <freeride> how do you get them?
[12:24] <genii> !windowmaker
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmaker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <root_> i use kpakage and do a search
[12:24] <genii> Hmm
[12:24] <dwidmann> freeride, sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[12:24] <dwidmann> freeride, then search kde-look.org and find something you like
[12:25] <freeride> can I use adept ti install?
[12:25] <dwidmann> sure
[12:25] <root_> yeah
[12:25] <freeride> I searched for it in the package manager and nothing comes up
[12:25] <root_> or if your not in x11 you can use aptitude for a more graphical search
[12:25] <dwidmann> !universe | freeride
[12:25] <ubotu> freeride: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:25] <Slike> hello and happy new year :)
[12:26] <genii> 5 1/2 hrs here til 2007 :)
[12:26] <Slike> how do i install a theme that i downloaded from kde-look.org?
[12:26] <dwidmann> freeride: superkaramba is in the universe repository
[12:26] <dwidmann> Slike: what sort of theme?
[12:26] <Slike> dwidmann: application looks
[12:26] <lovloss> I installed beryl, but when i came back into KDE it didnt give me the updated "nvidia" splash screen like it did on gnome. Should i have uninstalled my nvidia driver first?
[12:26] <root_> well this rocks, but i gott roll
[12:27] <soulrider> lovloss: maybe you dont have the latest driver
[12:27] <soulrider> s
[12:27] <dwidmann> Slike: kde-look.org should have had instructions with it, I think
[12:27] <soulrider> do you mean that black background image ?
[12:27] <lovloss> i didnt get legacy. i got the main one.
[12:27] <soulrider> yes
[12:27] <soulrider> but still it may not be the latest version
[12:27] <lovloss> AIGLX is best right?
[12:28] <lovloss> oh, wait, thats right... you have to manually update the driver
[12:28] <soulrider> :)
[12:28] <lovloss> Actually, thats on gnome... here, kde seems to handle beryl regardless
[12:28] <hatta> genii, doesn't look like rosegarden does tablature
[12:29] <hatta> it does staff notation but I can't read that
[12:29] <Slike> dwidmann: the archive i downloaded only contains some image files and some color scheme (kcsrc) files + a gpl document
[12:29] <stdin> AIGLX with Beryl ROCKS!!
[12:30] <Slike> dwidmann: isn't there some easy way, like gnome's >> drag&drop/some manager/...
[12:30] <dwidmann> Slike: try looking at it in kcontrol (either alt + f2: type kcontrol, or run it from konsole), go to appearance -> themes
[12:30] <genii> hatta Where I found out about the OO plugin: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000117       Shows hat looks like regular tablature
[12:30] <Slike> dwidmann: did so, but there's nothing there to install themes...?
[12:31] <Slike> dwidmann: i'm a gnome user, trying kde since long ;)
[12:31] <dwidmann> the themes on kde-look.org aren't always done right, so not all of them will work, but if you point kcontrols theme  manager at the .tar.bz2 file, it will either work or it won't
[12:32] <lovloss> how should i update nvidia? i always forget
[12:32] <hatta> genii, looks like staff notation to me
[12:33] <hatta> kguitar would be perfect if it handled mandolin tuning
[12:33] <lovloss> Is this linux IA32 or AMD64/EM64T? :P
[12:34] <genii> hatta Sorry not to be of more help :(
[12:34] <Slike> dwidmann: what do you exactly mean by "kcontrols theme  manager"?
[12:34] <genii> Been years since I needed to read music
[12:34] <Slike> dwidmann: i found some place in the kcontrol center to change themes, but there's no "install themes"-option there
[12:35] <Slike> dropping the archive there isn't possible too
[12:35] <Slike> so the gnome way won't do :P
[12:37] <genii> Is anyone oing cross-compiling from an x86 platform to ARM ?
[12:39] <lovloss> how do you close X down and get to the prompt?
[12:39] <lovloss> ctrl-alt-del doesnt work
[12:39] <genii> If you have any links for a DIY jtag to serial or parallel-port I'd appreciate it anyhow
[12:39] <stdin> lovloss: ctrl-alt-f1
[12:40] <lovloss> ah! thanks
[12:40] <stdin> lovloss: that won't close X tho, you have to stop kdm for that
[12:40] <genii> Well that doesn't really close X, it just swaps to the first console tty
[12:40] <stdin> oh well, too latee
[12:40] <genii> X still runs on tty6 or 7
[12:40] <stdin> 7
[12:41] <stdin> (or 8 if you have xgl)
[12:42] <genii> Doesn't ctrl-alt-backspace still forcibly shut X?
[12:42] <dwidmann> sure does
[12:42] <dwidmann> slike, just a moment, I know there's a way to manually install these things, I just need to check my directory structure
[12:43] <stdin> afaik ctrl-alt-X just restarts X, because KDM will start after
[12:43] <stdin> if you run X from startx, then it will kill X
[12:43] <genii> Yeah KDM is an auto-spawn process
[12:43] <freeride> what is the difference between karamba and super karamba?
[12:44] <dwidmann> Slike: color schemes (*.kcsrc files) go in ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/
[12:45] <genii> however if you run startx from another console it usually tells you screen  0 is unavailable etc...if you forcibly kill X the ockfile has to be wiped too to restart it
[12:45] <dwidmann> superkaramba is more powerful than karamba
[12:45] <genii> lockfile
[12:45] <freeride> hmm, ok, so how do I install it?
[12:46] <dwidmann> freeride, after enabling the universe repository, install the superkaramba package with [insert apt frontend here] 
[12:46] <hepme> should i install normal mplayer or kmplayer?
[12:46] <dwidmann> kmplayer is a frontend for mplayer, xine, and gstreamer, it also has a nice browser plugin, and can also be used as a kaffeine plugin
[12:47] <stdin> genii: you can just run: startx -- :1
[12:47] <dwidmann> Use which you like.
[12:47] <freeride> can I do that from the repository manager in adept?
[12:47] <dwidmann> Sure
[12:47] <genii> stdin Yes, true :) Also some xterm switch which allows shared desktops which I forget atm
[12:48] <hepme> i thought mplayer already was a gui, why would it need a front end?
[12:48] <hepme> oh i see
[12:48] <stdin> genii: I've forgotten also :P
[12:48] <freeride> just type in "Universe Repository" in the new repository field and add or what.. :-/
[12:48] <dwidmann> hepme: mplayer has a gtk1 gui, or some such. There must be at least a half dozen to a dozen frontends available for it.
[12:49] <freeride> I see a few of them that say universe
[12:49] <freeride> they're light grey
[12:49] <stdin> mplayer is a cli app, it just uses whatever WM is availible
[12:49] <dwidmann> freeride, the light gray lines probably start with a #, if you remove the #, they'll become active
[12:50] <freeride> some of them have a # sign but the ones I want dont have that
[12:50] <dwidmann> or wait
[12:50] <genii> stdin  "-alwaysshared" switch (had to look it up) I think the original needs to have that tho too
[12:50] <dwidmann> I've not done this in adept in a LONG LONG time
[12:51] <dwidmann> right click the line, click on enable, and you're good to go ;)
[12:51] <stdin> genii: I need to put that on my personal wiki before I forget :P
[12:52] <genii> stdin :)
[12:52] <freeride> thanks, I'm trying it now
[12:53] <freeride> still nothing, this is frustrating
[12:53] <genii> stdin We used to do a whiteboard idea with shared vnc desktops in this fashion
[12:53] <freeride> I enabled all of the ones that said universe at the end
[12:53] <freeride> nothing comes up when I search
[12:53] <freeride> for superkaramba
[12:54] <genii> !superkaramba
[12:54] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[12:54] <lovloss> any idea why my refresh went from 81 to 55 when i installed the new nvidia driver?
[12:54] <stdin> genii: back in the dark ages of the net :P
[12:54] <genii> Hmm no info on repos
[12:54] <dwidmann> freeride: click update
[12:55] <dwidmann> "Fetch Updates" to be precise
[12:55] <genii> stdin I still have my extremely ancient VICmodem which was a blistering 110Bps btw
[12:55] <genii> ROFL
[12:55] <freeride> when I run a search for gimp it pulls up a list fo stuff
[12:55] <freeride> why doesnt it do that for superkaramba?
[12:55] <hepme> how can i make it so my mpegs always open with mplayer instead of kaffeine?
[12:56] <freeride> oh, wait, I'm fetching updates now
[12:56] <genii> stdin So you are in England?
[12:56] <stdin> genii: wow, now that's slow :P
[12:56] <genii> gmt time
[12:56] <stdin> genii: yeah
[12:56] <hepme> nevermind found it
[12:56] <RealisticDragon> spelling it wrong freeride? try karamba... and if you want some plugins there are some optimised for low CPU and/or PPC based computers usage on my website :) (www.revis.org)
[12:56] <freeride> nope, still nothing
[12:57] <stdin> genii: i'm in the midlands of england :D
[12:57] <hatta> omg, kguitar does have mandolin tuning
[12:57] <hatta> yay
[12:58] <freeride> it found some for karamba but dont I want superkaramba?
[12:58] <freeride> oh!
[12:58] <genii> hatta Cool to hear you found an acceptable solution
[12:58] <freeride> wait
[12:58] <freeride> found it
[12:58] <stdin> genii: no fog right now, tho it was raining, and btw, I do live in a city :P
[12:59] <freeride> any one know why the little tool discriptions pop up as blank boxes when I hover the cursor in gimp?
[12:59] <stdin> ooh 60 seconds to go :p
[12:59] <genii> stdin I'm in the Colonies remember LOL
[12:59] <genii> OK seeya in a bit
[12:59] <dwidmann> freeride, not sure, I thought you needed to have the documentation installed for that?
[01:00] <freeride> I think I installed the documentation
[01:00] <RealisticDragon> happy new year :)
[01:01] <AAA1> I turn on my computer and can't find my desktop icons. I click and drag=highlighting to the left or down on my screen and my wallpaper scrolls almost infantly. Please, can anyone help me find my icons? (I know they exist because I can find them through system menu)
[01:01] <genii> It's just so cool that linus is represented somewhere in the entire world :)
[01:01] <genii> linux also LOL
[01:02] <stdin> fireworks goin off, big ben on the radio, it must be 2007 :D
[01:02] <genii> I dunno how many branch offices Torvalds has
[01:02] <genii> Do we all have to sing Auld Lang Syne now or something ? ;)
[01:03] <stdin> good god, please no!
[01:03] <genii> LOL
[01:03] <stdin> besides, you get another chance in about an hour :p
[01:03] <genii> Well still 2006 here for another 5 hrs
[01:04] <stdin> it actually stopped raining for the new year :P
[01:04] <genii> good omen
[01:04] <AAA1> Happy New Year to those in 2007
[01:04] <AAA1> Happy New Year's Eve to those still in 2006
[01:05] <stdin> happy new year to those in GMT-* :P
[01:05] <hepme> does it matter what dir i mount an iso?
[01:05] <stdin> hepme: nope
[01:06] <hepme> does it have to be an existing dir or will the command create one if it doesnt
[01:06] <stdin> ^^ 1st support of 2007 for me :D
[01:06] <genii> hepme Nope so long as it is not mounted under some other thing
[01:06] <AAA1> hehe
[01:06] <genii> existing
[01:06] <stdin> hepme: you have to create it 1st
[01:06] <hepme> k
[01:07] <AAA1> Is there a way to limit the desktop to only the size of the screen?
[01:07] <stdin> you-say-what-now?
[01:07] <genii> You have some multihead setup and only want 1 monitor to show 1 desktop?
[01:07] <AAA1> yes, 1 monitor, 1 desktop, but, my desktop icons don't show up
[01:08] <AAA1> I've highlighted to the left, off the screen and my desktop wallpaper tiles over, meaning that it's way larger then the screen
[01:08] <AAA1> (got back from a trip, turned on my computer, and found it this way)
[01:09] <genii> Weird. I had this before when resolution was set higher than the monitor settings. May want to try reducing your default res
[01:10] <AAA1> tried that, I'll try it again
[01:10] <AAA1> ty
[01:10] <genii> eg: monitor only does 800x600 res set to 1024x768  then you have to scroll with mouse to see top and side of screen etc
[01:11] <dwidmann> here's another solution: Pull up Konqueror, go to ~/Desktop, cut the .desktop files and paste them in your ~ folder. Now drag them back to the desktop
[01:11] <stdin> my res is 1600x1200 :)
[01:12] <dwidmann> holy bigness.
[01:12] <genii> stdin
[01:12] <genii> Same
[01:13] <genii> I have a nonstandard old workstation monitorI made an interface for tho. It does up t anything my card can put out
[01:13] <stdin> I have some "logix" 17'' monitor
[01:13] <AAA1> hmmm
[01:14] <stdin> it's old too :P
[01:14] <AAA1> tried that, it asked about overwriting the existing files with the same names
[01:14] <genii> <- IBM P200
[01:14] <AAA1> I said no, should I have said yes?
[01:14] <defiant> Hello all. Can someone please assist me in installing Flash
[01:15] <stdin> defiant: have you read the help paes?
[01:15] <stdin> !flash
[01:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:15] <stdin> and ...
[01:15] <stdin> !flash9
[01:15] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[01:16] <defiant> I do not know how to see backports?
[01:16] <stdin> !backports
[01:16] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:16] <genii> ubotu knows almost all
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knows almost all - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <genii> LOL
[01:16] <stdin> ubotu is stupid
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is stupid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <stdin> haha
[01:17] <stdin> !love
[01:17] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[01:17] <stdin> I like that onw
[01:17] <AAA1> !peanut butter
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about peanut butter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <AAA1> !desktop
[01:17] <ubotu> The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are Gnome (ubuntu-desktop), KDE (kubuntu-desktop), Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[01:17] <genii> Is ubotu wired to some fortune-cookie prog??
[01:17] <AAA1> !icons
[01:17] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (Gnome) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[01:18] <stdin> genii: no, but it's fun to play with it
[01:18] <stdin> !botsnack
[01:18] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:18] <stdin> :D
[01:18] <genii> Heh!
[01:18] <genii> !cosmos
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cosmos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <AAA1> my desktop issue comes after running kpersonlizer
[01:19] <stdin> !myself
[01:19] <dwidmann> !shut up!
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <ubotu> :x
[01:19] <dwidmann> crap, the bot didn't listen to me :(
[01:19] <dwidmann> or did it
[01:19] <stdin> if you tell it to shut up it gives you a kiss
[01:19] <dwidmann> Yeah, I almost missed that line :\
[01:19] <genii> i like the ping feature
[01:20] <genii> !ping
[01:20] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[01:20] <__mikem> !botabuse
[01:20] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:20] <dwidmann> ubotu seems to be a little bit slow to react
[01:20] <defiant> Admiral_chicao do you know what to type in apt-get to install flash player 9?
[01:20] <stdin> the bot is in a few channels, so may be gettin raped :P
[01:21] <crimsun> defiant, use flashplugin-nonfree from -backports
[01:21] <stdin> defiant: enable backports, info in the link ablove, and install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:21] <defiant> crimsun it tells me it has no installation candidate
[01:22] <crimsun> defiant, do you use edgy or dapper?
[01:22] <AAA1> #ubuntu
[01:22] <defiant> crimsun, edgy
[01:22] <crimsun> defiant, then you need to enable the edgy-backports repository
[01:22] <defiant> crimsun, I do that by uncommenting the source list right?
[01:22] <crimsun> defiant, right, then updating, then installing flashplugin-nonfree
[01:23] <defiant> Yes I have just done that, crimsun and I got that message
[01:24] <genii> Did you perhaps by accident uncomment the cdrom entry?
[01:24] <stdin> make sure you have a line like: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse" in your sources.list
[01:24] <defiant> I just added the entry from this page
[01:24] <crimsun> defiant, what's the output from ``apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree''?
[01:24] <defiant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:25] <defiant> flashplugin-nonfree:
[01:25] <defiant>   Installed: (none)
[01:25] <defiant>   Candidate: (none)
[01:25] <defiant>   Version table:
[01:25] <genii> If no candidate with that line in and update done, perhaps you are running not edgy but dapper??
[01:25] <gnomefreak> looks like he is missing repos
[01:26] <stdin> defiant: make sure you have that line, (or with your country code in the beginning) in your sources.list
[01:26] <gnomefreak> dont need country code
[01:26] <stdin> (with multiverse)
[01:26] <defiant> Now i get duplicate sources.list
[01:26] <gnomefreak> defiant: paste your sources.list file to pastebin please
[01:27] <endo602> can someone help me figure pidentd out?
[01:27] <endo602> I need to specify the ident id
[01:27] <Ace2016> you might want to come back tomorrow, too many are drunk :D
[01:27] <gnomefreak> defiant: or use the list from http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/246658
[01:28] <defiant> http://pastebin.com/848736
[01:29] <endo602> i havent started the festivities yet
[01:29] <stdin> Ace2016: nah, they aren't smart enough to open the can of beer
[01:29] <defiant> should I just remove my entire sources list and replace it with that one gnomefreak?
[01:29] <genii> <- Dry New Years
[01:29] <gnomefreak> defiant: hold on a sec
[01:29] <defiant> ok thank you gnomefreak
[01:30] <stdin> genii: i'm so, so sorry :p
[01:30] <genii> heh
[01:30] <genii> missed the beer store :(
[01:30] <gnomefreak> defiant: yes go ahead and replace it (also if you want backports take the # away from the 2 lines
[01:30] <stdin> I haven't had a dry new year since I was 12 :P
[01:31] <genii> stdin I may venture out an hour beforehand to a local bar if I get really desperate :)
[01:32] <stdin> genii: what's new years day without a hangover and a memory gap or about 3 hours? :P
[01:32] <gnomefreak> defiant: than run sudo apt-get update than when done sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:32] <stdin> s/or/of
[01:33] <defiant> gnomefreak, ok I am trying now
[01:33] <gnomefreak> k
[01:34] <genii> We may have some Napoleon brandy stashed somewhere if my roommate didn't find it
[01:34] <Rob-West> nixternal u here
[01:34] <defiant> ok, now I run apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree gnomefreak?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:35] <genii> defiant first sudo apt-get update
[01:35] <gnomefreak> genii: he did
[01:35] <genii> Sorry missed some scrioll :)
[01:35] <defiant> I just did that and I still got the same error message. It is saying there is no installation caniddate gnomefreak
[01:35] <gnomefreak> defiant: did you get errors when running apt-get update?
[01:36] <defiant> No
[01:36] <gnomefreak> defiant: and you have the list as i gave it to you?
[01:36] <defiant> Yes
[01:36] <defiant> I copied it and pasted it
[01:36] <gnomefreak> defiant: run sudo apt-get update again
[01:36] <defiant> gnomefreak done
[01:37] <gnomefreak> defiant: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[01:37] <defiant> same output as before installed none Candidate none version table: gnomefreak
[01:37] <ytoox> has any of you installed the mikesque patch for baghira?
[01:37] <ytoox> I need help installing it
[01:37] <genii> I suspect version mismatch
[01:38] <gnomefreak> defiant: paste the list as you have it
[01:38] <gnomefreak> in pastebin
[01:38] <gnomefreak> mismatch would give a mismatch error
[01:38] <genii> Usually, yes
[01:38] <gnomefreak> should*
[01:38] <gnomefreak> defiant: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[01:39] <defiant> http://pastebin.com/848741
[01:39] <gnomefreak> and yes i know you may not hav eit
[01:39] <genii> is flashplugin specific to some browser possibly not installed like FF etc?
[01:39] <gnomefreak> genii: no
[01:39] <ytoox> has any of you installed the mikesque patch for baghira?
[01:39] <ytoox> I need help installing it
[01:40] <gnomefreak> defiant: what did policy ubuntu-desktop give you?
[01:40] <defiant> gnomefreak Installed None Candidate 1.30 version table: 1.30.0
[01:40] <gnomefreak> see
[01:40] <ytoox> please, I can't get the patch to work
[01:40] <defiant> gnomefreak it also says this         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[01:41] <gnomefreak> defiant: what is the pathname to the file you added it to
[01:41] <defiant> gnomefreak /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:41] <gnomefreak> your sources.list file
[01:41] <gnomefreak> k
[01:41] <gnomefreak> defiant: thats what should show up
[01:42] <gnomefreak> defiant: try using adept to update/install it
[01:42] <gnomefreak> wait a min
[01:42] <genii> 500 = internal server error
[01:42] <gnomefreak> defiant: comment out the backports repos and try again
[01:43] <gnomefreak> fenot when using policy
[01:43] <gnomefreak> genii: not*
[01:43] <defiant> Same thing happened
[01:43] <gnomefreak> defiant: you ran apt-get update after commenting them out?
[01:44] <defiant> yes I did gnomefreak
[01:44] <gnomefreak> defiant: you ran apt-get dist-upgrade also?
[01:45] <defiant> yes sir I did gnomefreak
[01:45] <gnomefreak> defiant: also try apt-cache search flashplugin-nonfree
[01:45] <gnomefreak> defiant: see if it shows it
[01:46] <defiant> Same exact as before gnomefreak
[01:46] <genii> perhaps Edgy packagename is changed?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> genii: nope i checked it
[01:46] <genii> Truly weird
[01:46] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:46] <Ace2016> whats /list?
[01:46] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:46] <Ace2016> !list
[01:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:46] <gnomefreak> Ace2016: try not to do it he was using it to list the channels in freenode
[01:46] <stdin> mile I said, multiverse
[01:46] <Ace2016> oh ok
[01:47] <theholycow> Has anybody here installed a 500gb SATA drive? I've got one, but when I mkfs.ext3 it, my computer suddenly reboots. I even tried dividing it into two 250gb partitions.
[01:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:47] <defiant> Does it matter that I am running amd 64 gnomefreak
[01:47] <stdin> s/mile/like
[01:47] <gnomefreak> defiant: yes
[01:47] <gnomefreak> defiant: you cant have flash on 64bit
[01:47] <gnomefreak> defiant: unles you run 32bit chroot
[01:47] <stdin> damn, the affect of alcohol on tipeing
[01:47] <defiant> How do I do that. I need to have flash gnoefreak
[01:48] <stdin> gnomefreak is, as usual, 100% correct there
[01:48] <gnomefreak> defiant: i not good with chroots i suggest installing ubuntu 32bit on your pc :)
[01:48] <dwidmann> easiest way is to set up a 32-bit browser, opera works well
[01:48] <stdin> !chroot
[01:48] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[01:48] <gnomefreak> s/i/im
[01:48] <defiant> oh, ok. Thank youvery much for your help
[01:49] <genii> theholycow I just formatted  2 250s a 500 and a 750 with mkext2fs without incident. No subpartitions
[01:49] <dwidmann> chroots are hardly necessary :\ who would _want_ to deal with one of those?
[01:49] <nysosym> is it possible to stick the toolbars?
[01:49] <defiant> I do not know what they are dwidmann
[01:49] <theholycow> genii: I didn't try ext2, but maybe I should. I would like to use ext3 on it, though...
[01:50] <stdin> "mkext2fs -J" makes ext3 iirc
[01:51] <genii> Journalling ext2 = ext3
[01:51] <stdin> yep
[01:51] <RealisticDragon> i wonder if ext4 will be mkext2 -jj :P
[01:51] <RealisticDragon> or 'k ;)
[01:51] <theholycow> yeah...that's what I'm going for. Maybe I'll just use it sans journalling. I was thinking of just using it as a backup drive...
[01:51] <genii> Actually i think is mke2fs not mkext2fs btw
[01:51] <stdin> maybe mkext2fs -4
[01:52] <genii> same idea anyhow
[01:53] <nysosym> i will remove this, is it possible? http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto1xv2.png
[01:53] <theholycow> it's mkfs.ext2 or mke2fs (both should do same thing), IIRC
[01:54] <dwidmann> neosym, I don't think you can
[01:54] <genii> I like mkfs.XXX prototype, easy to remember syntax :)
[01:54] <nysosym> why? this is so ugly,
[01:55] <dwidmann> that exists so you can drag and drop the toolbars around ...
[01:55] <nysosym> dwidmann: is there nothing a option to stick the toolbar?
[01:55] <genii> I think I would want o be rid of the Dog Bounty Hunter popup more
[01:55] <theholycow> well, I'm going to try making it ext2, no journal. If I disappear, you'll know it had the same problem...
[01:55] <genii> theholycow Ok :)
[01:55] <nysosym> dwidmann: sure but i wan't this feature :D
[01:56] <dwidmann> That looks like Kopete, and I don't seen an option for it, double check the configuration dialog. If it really bugs you then make a wishlist entry on bugs.kde.org
[01:56] <stdin> something like lock toolbars
[01:56] <theholycow> damn, mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1 is a scary command to type. If I accidentally type 'h' instead of 's', I could lose a lot...
[01:57] <genii> stdin Yeah I know in Windoze you get rid of it with lock/unlock taskbar
[01:57] <nysosym> stdin: there is nothing like this in the context
[01:57] <stdin> theholycow: try running 2.6.19 hda becomes sda :P
[01:59] <_Snatch_> happy new year!!
[01:59] <stdin> happy new year _Snatch_
[02:00] <_Snatch_> can anybody help me with smthin
[02:00] <theholycow> Well, it went well for a 250gb partition, so I'm trying it on the full 500 in one piece.
[02:00] <_Snatch_> i want to install java on my kubuntu
[02:01] <theholycow> I'll try journalizing it using the instructions at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm later
[02:01] <genii> theholycow Did you try mkfs.ext2 -J  on 250 as test?
[02:01] <_Snatch_> im new to linux so i dont know mux
[02:01] <theholycow> genii: No, I don't feel like getting rebooted...
[02:02] <genii> theholycow Pls report back I'm interested in if this will work for you :)
[02:02] <theholycow> will do
[02:03] <_Snatch_> can anybody help me or give me some intell on how to install java on kubuntu
[02:03] <_Snatch_> ??
[02:03] <stdin> !java
[02:03] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:03] <genii> _Snatch_ Just to do java apps in the web browser or to write java apps?
[02:03] <_Snatch_> yep ive tried that, but doesnt work
[02:03] <theholycow> mkfs.ext2 finished
[02:04] <genii> on the 500?
[02:04] <genii> (full 500)
[02:04] <theholycow> yup
[02:04] <theholycow> Running tune2fs -j now
[02:04] <_Snatch_> wen i try to install sun-java5-jre it gives me an error
[02:05] <stdin> what error ?
[02:05] <genii> multiverse likely not in repo list
[02:06] <stdin> yeah
[02:06] <_Snatch_> Package sun-java5-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:06] <_Snatch_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:06] <_Snatch_> is only available from another source
[02:06] <_Snatch_> E: Package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate
[02:06] <theholycow> tune2fs -j /dev/sda1 -- finished
[02:06] <_Snatch_> thats the error
[02:06] <stdin> _Snatch_: enable multiverse
[02:06] <stdin> !multiverse
[02:06] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:07] <genii> theholycow :)
[02:07] <_Snatch_> tried that already
[02:07] <_Snatch_> and it gives me the same error
[02:07] <_Snatch_> you think i should retry?
[02:08] <genii> _Snatch_ After modifying /etc/apt/sources.list   did you run an sudo apt-get update      ?
[02:08] <theholycow> added it to fstab (with fs as "auto") and mounted. It shows mounted as ext3.
[02:08] <theholycow> sweet!
[02:08] <_Snatch_> yup
[02:08] <stdin> _Snatch_: just add a line like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse" to your sources.list
[02:08] <stdin> ^^ for edgy
[02:09] <_Snatch_> ok
[02:09] <genii> theholycow That it refuses to format in ext3 is somehwat distrbing, especially as the cold reboot effect :(
[02:09] <theholycow> genii: Indeed. Not as disturbing as my wife's WoW addiction, though. :(\
[02:10] <genii> theholycow i'm wondering if this is some generalised bug
[02:11] <theholycow> genii: Good point. Maybe I'll look into that question.
[02:12] <_Snatch_> ok solving problem now... btw can anybody recomend quality p2p software??
[02:13] <theholycow> _Snatch_: Depends on what you want to download
[02:13] <genii> Uhoh I just fried something
[02:13] <theholycow> I thought I smelled something burning
[02:14] <theholycow> Great...now you'll _never_ get the magic smoke back into it!
[02:14] <_Snatch_> theholycow: mostly music
[02:14] <theholycow> _Snatch_: Do you own your house, or live in your parents' house? The RIAA is attacking pretty hard these days.
[02:15] <genii> External USB enclosure just fried the usb-ide converter part
[02:15] <theholycow> _Snatch_: Lots of what you want can be found using dogpile's audio search and various google searches
[02:15] <_Snatch_> parents house
[02:16] <genii> I'm glad the RIAA has no authority in Canada
[02:16] <stdin> _Snatch_: encrypted torrents :p
[02:16] <theholycow> _Snatch_: Don't cause that kind of risk for your parents. Find safer ways than common p2p.
[02:16] <theholycow> genii: Heheh...you guys pay a tax on blank CDs, but you get the final laugh, since you needn't fear! :)
[02:17] <genii> Yeah tapes, videcassettes, Cd/DVD etc etc
[02:17] <_Snatch_> i live in europe, im not shure if RIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA has any authority
[02:18] <stdin> ever hared of VAT?, we brits pay tax on everything
[02:18] <theholycow> genii: It's your civic right to pirate stuff, then
[02:18] <_Snatch_> anyhow my parents know i want to download stuff
[02:18] <theholycow> _Snatch_: Sorry, my fault. I shouldn't have assumed.
[02:18] <genii> Well at least my seagate 250 IDE in the enclosure is still good...whew. Just the crappy adapter itself
[02:18] <_Snatch_> an
[02:18] <_Snatch_> another question
[02:19] <_Snatch_> how come i cant use JAVA!!!!!!!
[02:19] <__mikem> I say screw the RIAA.
[02:19] <genii> I *hate* the smell of burning electronics
[02:19] <theholycow> _Snatch_: I used to use amule for my p2p needs
[02:19] <fdoving> !java | _snatch_
[02:19] <ubotu> _snatch_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:20] <_Snatch_> __mikem.....
[02:20] <_Snatch_> i know where you live...
[02:20] <__mikem> The ironic thing is I am an amature song writer, and I would love nothing more than to see the RIAA in h***
[02:20] <__mikem> _Snatch_ I am not worried.
[02:20] <fdoving> !offtopic
[02:20] <robotgeek> hmm, keep it ontopic folks
[02:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:21] <robotgeek> thanks fdoving :)
[02:21] <theholycow> I thought that when you install the java package from the repository, you just get the same java installer that you can download from sun's website
[02:21] <theholycow> (IIRC)
[02:21] <fdoving> robotgeek: .. great minds think alike and so on :)
[02:21] <robotgeek> heh
[02:22] <fdoving> theholycow: you get it the ubuntu-way, and you'll get automatic updates and all. it's the preferred way, really.
[02:23] <genii> fdoving Apparently he's already been that route with no luck
[02:23] <_Snatch_> __mikem: what sofware do you use to compose??
[02:23] <fdoving> genii: ok. strange.
[02:23] <__mikem> Cakewalk, and Garritan Personal Orchestra
[02:23] <fdoving> anyway.. i'll have to sleep.
[02:23] <crimsun> fdoving, thanks.
[02:23] <fdoving> nite all.
[02:23] <_Snatch_> bye
[02:24] <fdoving> crimsun: no problem, checked your /whois, noticed you were away. :)
[02:25] <genii> I am pondering if there is an ubotu package
[02:26] <_Snatch_> __mikem: when i was in the dark side of the OS, i used Guitar Pro
[02:26] <genii> (I have my own irc server)
[02:26] <_Snatch_> good for you
[02:26] <__mikem> _Snatch_ I am running linux in vmware, Cakewalk Sonar and GPO are only available on windows and mac
[02:27] <_Snatch_> yup, the dark side
[02:27] <genii> interestingly apt-cache search ubotu      has no result
[02:27] <genii> (6.06.1 server)
[02:27] <__mikem> If GPO was avilable for linux and there was a sequencer for linux that could support and could read .cwp (cakewalk project) files
[02:27] <__mikem> I would have no need for windows
[02:28] <genii> can't cakewalk export?
[02:28] <dope> i have a sync error no more room left on device, what is that?
[02:28] <genii> dopy hd is full
[02:29] <dope> WHAT?!
[02:29] <_Snatch_> Kguitar supports GPO
[02:29] <dope> how do i view the space left on the hd?!
[02:29] <genii> "no more room left on device" = full
[02:29] <genii> dope df
[02:29] <theholycow> dope: 'df -h' at a command prompt, or some right-clicking in konqueror will probably do it
[02:30] <dope> i've omfg how did it fill up
[02:30] <dope> wait
[02:30] <dope> wait my swap is full i think
[02:30] <genii> fyi  -h is "human readable" output
[02:30] <theholycow> yep
[02:30] <dope> hda1 is 95% full
[02:30] <dope> how do clear it out
[02:30] <theholycow> delete some stuff!
[02:30] <dope> it's my swap i think
[02:30] <genii> Dump some mp3s? LOL
[02:30] <_Snatch_> delete watever makes it full
[02:31] <dope> oh wait
[02:31] <dope> i know what that is
[02:31] <dope> that's fine
[02:31] <_Snatch_> its your swap
[02:31] <dope> no it's my other drive
[02:31] <dope> that has all my music on it but i'm not accessing it
[02:31] <_Snatch_> XDDDDDDDDD
[02:31] <dope> all the others are below 10% used
[02:31] <dope> it says sync error in proc 4718
[02:31] <_Snatch_> you scared the hek outame
[02:32] <dope> so what's that mean
[02:33] <genii> sync error on hd could be any number of things as cause :(
[02:33] <dope> what is proc 4718
[02:33] <dope> and how do i find out what it is
[02:33] <genii> ps ax| grep 4718
[02:34] <dope> hmm
[02:34] <dope> it's my motion program
[02:34] <dope> motion -c ~/motion.conf
[02:34] <dope> when i run it i get that error in the console
[02:34] <_Snatch_> fix it
[02:34] <dope> the no space left on device error
[02:34] <dope> i don't know how to fix it :(
[02:34] <genii> So it must use hda1 as scratch drive or something
[02:34] <theholycow> motion is cool
[02:34] <dope> nah it can't, that's a ntfs drive
[02:35] <dope> hmm maybe not
[02:35] <dope> ok well this is what i did
[02:35] <dope> i had it save a picture every 1 second
[02:35] <dope> but as outPic.jpg
[02:35] <dope> so i assumed it would just overwrite the old file, right?
[02:35] <dope> and it had a sym link
[02:36] <ny0n> can anyone help me get kubuntu to work with wireless internet
[02:36] <genii> now full of outPicxxxxxxx   ?
[02:36] <dope> no just outPic.jpg
[02:36] <genii> Hah looks like appending each file
[02:37] <genii> eg >> as opposed to >
[02:37] <dope> how do i see the filesize?
[02:37] <ny0n> can anyone help me get kubuntu to work with wireless internet
[02:37] <dope> with ls?
[02:37] <_Snatch_> ok
[02:37] <genii> yes ls -l   or -ld *
[02:37] <_Snatch_> to get wireless conexion
[02:37] <_Snatch_> goto kmenu
[02:38] <_Snatch_> goto internet
[02:38] <ny0n> where is kmenu
[02:38] <_Snatch_> do you have kde?
[02:38] <theholycow> kmenu? I thought making wifi work in linux was a pagan ritual involving the blood of a recently-deceased chicken or something...
[02:38] <ny0n> sorry
[02:38] <ny0n> yes
[02:38] <ny0n> kde
[02:38] <_Snatch_> ok
[02:39] <_Snatch_> on the bar at the bottom
[02:39] <genii> I think it takes a goat these days
[02:39] <ny0n> yea
[02:39] <ny0n> wireless assistant doesn't work
[02:39] <_Snatch_> the first icon
[02:39] <_Snatch_> wireless assistant worked for me
[02:39] <Neolithium> I think the wireless assistant is a crapshoot for most people :)
[02:40] <_Snatch_> for you
[02:40] <_Snatch_> but not for me
[02:40] <_Snatch_> it worked fine
[02:40] <genii> Broadcom wireless chipset seems especially problemmatic
[02:40] <ny0n> no networks found
[02:40] <ny0n> in wireless assistant
[02:40] <dope> crap crap crap
[02:40] <dope> what's wron ghere :(
[02:40] <genii> dope Anything enlightening?
[02:41] <_Snatch_> if you use the second option
[02:41] <dope> i dunno
[02:41] <dope> there's room on all the drives
[02:41] <dope> i don't know why it won't save the files
[02:42] <genii> dope May be: The file to save takes longer to process and save than before the next pic is generated
[02:42] <dope> well i was doing it earlier
[02:42] <dope> then restarted and bam no worky
[02:42] <genii> = eventual buffer overrun
[02:43] <dope> so it was working earlier
[02:43] <dope> it would just save over the old pictures
[02:43] <genii> dope what fs type on hda1 ?
[02:43] <dope> ntfs
[02:44] <dope> i'm not using anything on it
[02:44] <dope> and it has 2 gig left on it
[02:44] <dope> so it shouldn't be a problem anyway
[02:44] <genii> write/rewrite on same spot repeatedly = possible bad spot on platter now. fsck may be in order
[02:44] <dope> crap
[02:44] <PF-Away> is there a free fsck utility for ntfs?
[02:45] <dope> it's not the ntfs disk
[02:45] <genii> What disk is Pic  saved to?
[02:45] <dope> sda2
[02:46] <dope> that's the root drive
[02:46] <genii> sda2 = what fs type?
[02:46] <dope> ext3
[02:46] <genii> so you should for peace of mind boot to single user and run fsck
[02:46] <dope> how do i do that
[02:47] <PF-Away> when in grub, press e or something
[02:47] <dope> crap
[02:47] <PF-Away> it should come up a message
[02:47] <genii> hit ESC when grub starts, yes
[02:47] <dope> well this computer is about 1500 miles away
[02:47] <PF-Away> esc first, yes
[02:47] <theholycow> Shouldn't it be okay to run fsck in any runlevel as long as you don't write any changes? Then run it in single user...
[02:47] <PF-Away> then type in "single" at the end of the line
[02:47] <PF-Away> dope: :P
[02:47] <PF-Away> type "init 2"
[02:47] <genii> Well you could drop to init 1
[02:47] <PF-Away> i think that should keep the network going
[02:48] <PF-Away> init 1 would kill his network, wouldn't it?
[02:48] <genii> I dunno if you could be ssh'd in etc like that tho
[02:48] <stdin> telinit 2 for edgy
[02:48] <PF-Away> yeah, that funky new init system
[02:48] <PF-Away>  /me like
[02:48] <dope> i'm sshed in
[02:48] <dope> i did init 2
[02:48] <PF-Away> sda2 isn't the root, is it?
[02:48] <dope> yea
[02:49] <PF-Away> hrm
[02:49] <genii> fsck = not good with mounted fs
[02:49] <PF-Away> yeah
[02:49] <dope> yea that's what this thing is telling me
[02:49] <theholycow> Sounds like you're fscked!
[02:49] <PF-Away> heh
[02:49] <genii> unmounting / = problemmatic
[02:49] <PF-Away> lol
[02:49] <dope> hmm
[02:49] <PF-Away> chrooting?
[02:49] <PF-Away> ;)
[02:49] <theholycow> PF-Away: You read my mind
[02:49] <PF-Away> copy over /sbin to a dir and chroot in?
[02:49] <stdin> sudo mount / -o remount.ro
[02:49] <genii> yeah it can be done but you need all the / essentials on an initrd or something
[02:50] <dope> blah
[02:50] <PF-Away>  /sbin should have all you need
[02:50] <dope> so there's a prob with the hardware
[02:50] <PF-Away> mkdir /tmp/temproot
[02:50] <dope> damn i gotta get ready for a party soon
[02:50] <PF-Away> cp /sbin /tmp/tmproot -R
[02:50] <PF-Away> rotfl
[02:50] <dope> i'll do this when i get back and am hammered
[02:50] <genii> dope Well, it conceivably could be something software related like failing nfs if you are using that. But hardware most suspect
[02:50] <dope> i'll be way more productive then
[02:50] <PF-Away> chroot /tmp/tmproot /tmp/tmproot/bash
[02:50] <theholycow> dope: It sounds way too difficult, error-prone, and sensitive to be done remotely by somebody not 100% comfortable with the concepts and commands involved
[02:51] <PF-Away> heh
[02:51] <dope> yea i'll hold off till i get back
[02:51] <dope> i'll be back in tomorrow night
[02:51] <PF-Away> heh, glhf
[02:51] <theholycow> Hmm...how about using keyboard soft keys in Kubuntu? How do I set that up?
[02:52] <genii> xmodmap perhaps?
[02:52] <PF-Away> theholycow: you looked in wiki's and stuff?
[02:52] <theholycow> No, just mining you nice folks <G>
[02:52] <PF-Away> ;)
[02:52] <PF-Away> btw, anyone know how the mouse gestures in KDE work?
[02:54] <theholycow> PF-Away: I guess that's a resounding "no"
[02:54] <PF-Away> hehe
[02:54] <PF-Away> this looks darn interesting though: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/speech.html
[02:54] <theholycow> I had no idea mouse gestures were supported. I wouldn't mind using 'em in konqueror
[02:55] <genii> Anyone successfully compile Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers under Edgy or Feisty yet?
[02:55] <PF-Away> me neither
[02:55] <PF-Away> that's the biggest reason i still use opera
[02:55] <PF-Away> together with 32-bit and the trash-can
[02:55] <genii> I can't use gestures, my cat is always swatting my mouse
[02:56] <genii> (when I'm afk etc)
[02:56] <PF-Away> lol
[02:56] <genii> She likes the blinking red light LOL
[02:56] <PF-Away> nice too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41384028%40N00/339365515/ even though they forgot Opera (which does it perfectly;)
[02:56] <PF-Away> rotfl
[02:57] <theholycow> I would never be able to replace Opera with Konqueror
[02:57] <theholycow> ...and just as I say that, Opera crashed
[02:57] <PF-Away> rotfl
[02:57] <PF-Away> what release you using?
[02:57] <theholycow> 9.1
[02:57] <theholycow> it crashed because I abuse the hell out of it
[02:57] <PF-Away> konqueror is a power(ful) tool, though
[02:57] <dwidmann> hahahaha
[02:58] <PF-Away> but opera is the single best browser out there, hands down
[02:58] <PF-Away> firefox is neat, and soon catching up with 8.0
[02:58] <PF-Away> :P
[02:58] <stdin> konq is a great file manager, but not the bast web browser
[02:58] <theholycow> I've got a theme that was made for probably v7.x. I've got less tabs open than usual, probably a mere 40 or so
[02:58] <PF-Away> lol
[02:59] <njee> I found the web gestures in konq worked pretty well actually, though its strange and I never seem to use them much :)
[02:59] <PF-Away> and still less memory consumed than ff with one tab
[02:59] <PF-Away> :P
[02:59] <PF-Away> njee: how the heck do you use them?
[02:59] <genii> I like that Netscape open-sourced their browser before the Evil Empire absorbed them
[02:59] <PF-Away> do you hold down any mouse button, or what?
[02:59] <PF-Away> yeah
[02:59] <PF-Away> but gecko is/was very ugly, imho
[02:59] <njee> I had to enable them system wide for KDE, they work in file manager too
[02:59] <PF-Away> njee: how, how, how?;)
[02:59] <njee> I don't think the option is in guidance, you need to go into kcontrol
[03:00] <PF-Away> is it guidance they call it...
[03:00] <PF-Away> i never use it;)
[03:00] <njee> hehe yeah, hold on let me find the option
[03:00] <PF-Away> in gentoo, kcontrols you
[03:00] <ny0n> can someone help me get kubuntu to work with wireles
[03:00] <PF-Away> i know where it is
[03:00] <ny0n> the card is supported
[03:00] <PF-Away> but how do i use them?
[03:00] <theholycow> hah! That doesn't say much. Either way I'm looking at huge swaths of my 1gb RAM for each running browser
[03:01] <PF-Away> ny0n: go to the k-menu, internet-> wireless assistand
[03:01] <PF-Away> *t
[03:01] <ny0n> i tried that
[03:01] <ny0n> no network sfound
[03:01] <njee> oh right, I have mine set to mouse button 2 cause thats what I used to use in firefox......I just hold down mouse 2 and do left and right to go back and forwards....I think mouse3 is default
[03:01] <ny0n> no networks found*
[03:01] <PF-Away> ny0n: well, do you have networks there?
[03:01] <genii> Is there a way to replace mouse with joystick for pointing device? I have a friend with MS no fine finger control. His windoze has something called JoyMouse like that
[03:01] <ny0n> yes
[03:01] <ny0n> i have a network
[03:01] <PF-Away> njee: long time since i poked around with it, under gentoo
[03:01] <ny0n> i'm on my laptop
[03:01] <ny0n> (wireless connection)
[03:02] <PF-Away> ny0n: try running "iwlist s"
[03:02] <ny0n> k
[03:02] <njee> PF-away: okay so there's a listing of gestures
[03:02] <PF-Away> genii: i know there is something, since i was trying to find it for my win95 machine, but only found stuff for linux
[03:02] <PF-Away> :P
[03:02] <ny0n> lo = interface doesn't support scanning
[03:02] <njee> in kcontrol under "input actions"
[03:02] <ny0n> eth0 no scan results
[03:02] <ny0n> eth1*
[03:02] <PF-Away> ny0n: dmesg?
[03:02] <ny0n> eth0 interface doesn't support scanning
[03:02] <genii> PF-Away thx
[03:03] <ny0n> am i looking for anything specific in dmesg?
[03:03] <njee> PF-away: on the general tab these's a listing of all the konqueror gestures, back forward, reload etc
[03:03] <PF-Away> ny0n: errors?
[03:03] <PF-Away> njee: found it...
[03:03] <ny0n> yea
[03:03] <ny0n> i see afew bcm43xx: error;s
[03:03] <genii> !accessibility
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about accessibility - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <genii> Hmm
[03:04] <njee> PF-away: have you enabled mouse gestures globally?
[03:04] <PF-Away> njee: never found that "global settings" thingy before;)
[03:04] <PF-Away> njee: i think so
[03:04] <ny0n> microcode "bcm32xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed
[03:04] <genii> bcm43xx = Broadcom ....
[03:04] <PF-Away> njee: where do i activate it globally?
[03:05] <genii> You need the fwcutter solution etc etc
[03:05] <njee> PF-away: for some reason the menu gets screwed up if you click on the gesture settings (love KDE usability :) )
[03:05] <njee> PF-away: so you have to click on say "accessibilty" and then back on "input actions" to get all the tabs back
[03:05] <PF-Away> heh
[03:05] <BluesKaj> Frostwire won't launch, error is this : runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[03:05] <PF-Away> ffs, speech is integrated!
[03:05] <PF-Away> darn cool!
[03:05] <njee> PF-away: click on the "gesture settings" tab and then untick the box that says "disable mouse gestures globally"
[03:06] <genii> ny0n http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear        may help
[03:06] <ny0n>  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear
[03:06] <ny0n> oops
[03:06] <ny0n> k
[03:06] <njee> PF-away: after that, that was it...I used the listing there to figure out the gestures and just started playing around in Konq
[03:06] <PF-Away> njee: not sure if i'm following you...
[03:06] <njee> PF-away: sorry I"m not explaining it very well
[03:07] <PF-Away> no, it's me who's going blind;)
[03:07] <njee> PF-away: what I was saying is once you click on the gestures listing it causes the other tabs under that option to disappear, so just close kcontrol and reopen it to start from scratch
[03:07] <PF-Away> i was staring at the tickbox
[03:07] <Ashex> I just reinstalled kubuntu, I installed it to a SATA drive I put in
[03:07] <genii> runFrost.sh = executable?
[03:07] <PF-Away> please ignore my last comments;)
[03:07] <njee> PF-away: ah okay
[03:07] <Ashex> but it installed grub to a ide drive on a controller card
[03:07] <njee> no worries :)
[03:07] <PF-Away> hurray!
[03:07] <Ashex> what's the command to install grub to the sata drive? (sdb1)
[03:08] <PF-Away> and with speech recognition!
[03:08] <dwidmann> grub-install /dev/sdb1
[03:08] <dwidmann> probably?
[03:09] <PF-Away> kde just keeps getting better and better
[03:10] <genii> BluesKaj with     ls -l runFrost.sh     show x  (executable)  bit set?
[03:10] <PF-Away> khotkeys should get much more pr
[03:12] <njee> indeed....a big usability cleanup and a lot of press about features and documentation would do wonder for the project imho
[03:13] <PF-Away> probably will come with kde4
[03:13] <BluesKaj> genii, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[03:13] <PF-Away> they're getting magic done with developer docs atm
[03:13] <PF-Away> the dev wiki
[03:14] <genii> BluesKaj What, when you try to  "ls"  ??
[03:14] <PF-Away> and the oxygen team is doing great stuff as weel
[03:14] <njee> indeed.....I worry it's going to end up slipping a lot though....seems like there's an awful lot of work to be done still!
[03:14] <RavenTux> Happy New Year to all on kubuntu
[03:15] <PF-Away> njee: they already have a lot done, it's just not easily available to the public
[03:15] <njee> yes, happy new year one and all!
[03:15] <stdin> happy new year RavenTux :)
[03:15] <genii> BluesKaj could be dash vs sh related
[03:15] <PF-Away> happy new year
[03:15] <ny0n> can anyone help me get wireles working on kubuntu
[03:15] <ny0n> please
[03:15] <FFForever> Hi People
[03:15] <BluesKaj> yeah dash vs bash
[03:15] <PF-Away> ny0n: post dmesg somewhere
[03:15] <stdin> hello FFForever
[03:15] <PF-Away> bash bashes dash in it's balls
[03:16] <FFForever> anyone know how i can install php in Eclipse?
[03:16] <njee> I suppose, I just worry it's going to end up pulling a VIsta.....originally I believed we were supposed to be playing with it by now no?
[03:16] <ny0n> pf-away do you use aol instant messenger?
[03:16] <PF-Away> njee: nope
[03:16] <PF-Away> ny0n: nope
[03:16] <PF-Away> jabber and msn
[03:16] <ny0n> k
[03:16] <PF-Away> njee: they've always said at least 2007
[03:16] <PF-Away> they delivered the dev preview in 2006, as promised though
[03:17] <genii> Just change    #!/bin/sh       to    #!/bin/bash          then
[03:17] <njee> haha, okay clearly I'm making things up again....it just sounds so awesome, want to play with it now :)
[03:17] <genii> ARG
[03:18] <genii> hate those netsplits
[03:19] <theholycow> did we spli from all of the people who were actually conversing?
[03:19] <genii> I dunno yet
[03:19] <ny0n> logout
[03:19] <ny0n> ops
[03:19] <BluesKaj> runFrost.sh: No such file or directory
[03:19] <theholycow> PF-away is gone
[03:20] <stdin> netsplits are fun :P
[03:20] <theholycow> njee is gone
[03:20] <genii> BluesKaj is "runFrost.sh" someplace like in /etc/init.d"   ??
[03:21] <genii> at any rate sudo updatedb && locate runFrost.sh           should help find it
[03:21] <BluesKaj> no genii , it's nowhere but the kmenu
[03:22] <theholycow> hi again unsplitted fellows
[03:22] <genii> bleh
[03:23] <PF-Away> hehe, i'm ordering a new fan for my gfx-card from the same shop, so hen...
[03:23] <PF-Away> *then
[03:23] <PF-Away> argh....
[03:23] <PF-Away> netsplits
[03:23] <genii> crap thats annoying
[03:24] <dwidmann> why the flood of people?
[03:24] <theholycow> dwidmann: netsplit
[03:24] <dwidmann> figures
[03:24] <genii> BluesKaj      http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300954
[03:25] <BluesKaj> too many ppl in who aren't asking or answering questions , simply lurking
[03:25] <theholycow> I'm babbling pointlessly. Does that help?
[03:25] <PF-Away> rotfl, dugg site: http://www.dreamtemplate.com/index.php
[03:25] <PF-Away> theholycow: i sure hope so
[03:26] <BluesKaj> ok genii , thx i'll check it out
[03:26] <genii> :)
[03:28] <njee> I'm in the wrong industry......$3000 per website.....
[03:29] <genii> Seems somewhat exorbitant
[03:30] <dwidmann> njee: where's my fair share :D
[03:30] <njee> speaking of the ubuntuforums, has anyone managed to write a Konqueror searchplugin for it? I keep getting stuck.....have no skillz
[03:32] <soulrider> does anyone know how i can view what type of RAM i have installed
[03:32] <soulrider> without having to open my PC
[03:32] <PF-Away> soulrider: use crucial's webpage
[03:32] <dsmith> yes crucial is a good place
[03:33] <soulrider> url ?
[03:33] <dsmith> gogle it, crucial.com?
[03:33] <dsmith> *google
[03:33] <dsmith> crucial ram? ben sometime since I have ben there
[03:33] <PF-Away> don't buy from them, just look up what kind of ram you need
[03:34] <soulrider> my dad built this computer
[03:34] <dsmith> NEWegg has cheap ram
[03:34] <dsmith> cheap as in price
[03:34] <FFForever> how do i find out how much free space i have left?
[03:34] <dwidmann> df /
[03:34] <genii> OCZ rules
[03:34] <PF-Away> df -h
[03:35] <dsmith> OCZ is nice
[03:36] <dwidmann> OCZ is nice, though I hear it's a bit of a pain to RMA OCZ stuff.
[03:37] <genii> thru newegg or tigerdirect in north america rma is no probs thru the retailer
[03:37] <dsmith> I bought OCZ ram for my HP ZD7000 latop, of course it was not compatible, but I sold it on ebay instead
[03:37] <dsmith> i bought kinston instead
[03:37] <dsmith> 2gb worth
[03:37] <dsmith> *kingston
[03:41] <dsmith> hmmmmmmm
[03:42] <BluesKaj> genii, I needed the jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin file...now what do i do with it ?
[03:43] <genii> sudo chmod +x jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin   && ./jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin
[03:43] <genii> No wait
[03:43] <genii> Is that the plugin?
[03:45] <genii> If it's the installer (most likely) the first method mentioned will work
[03:45] <BluesKaj> no it's the runtime environ ment
[03:45] <BluesKaj> like the one on winders
[03:45] <BluesKaj> ows
[03:45] <BluesKaj> :)
[03:46] <genii> I vaguely remember something about fakeroot needed for it or so...lemme look on google
[03:47] <sivaji_2009> i cant open my adept package manager
[03:48] <genii> BluesKaj OK the whole thing including for Frostwire and JRE is here:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337
[03:49] <sivaji_2009> after i enter my a password i dont any response
[03:52] <genii> If you hit alt-tab    and go thru open applications does it show other instances of adept running?
[03:53] <sivaji_2009> no it is not there when i hit alt+tab
[03:54] <genii> If you open the file etc/apt/sources.list   in an editor, does it have any lines which do NOT have a # before them?
[03:55] <stdin> sivaji_2009: try opening adept in konsole to see any errors: kdesu adept
[03:55] <genii> stdin Ah yes forgot ab out that :)
[03:55] <sivaji_2009> in consol also i dont get
[03:55] <sivaji_2009> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:55] <sivaji_2009> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:55] <sivaji_2009> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ in
[03:55] <stdin> well, pastebin is better, but ok
[03:56] <genii> two things are trying then tio use adept engine
[03:56] <sivaji_2009> what is that adept engine
[03:57] <genii> The program called dpkg   is called when adept is run
[03:57] <stdin> apt
[03:57] <genii> Well, yes
[03:57] <BluesKaj> I have to create a folder "/usr/java/ , but access denied
[03:58] <genii> BluesKaj use sudo :)
[03:58] <genii> sudo mkdir actually
[03:58] <stdin> 'sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock' may help
[03:59] <stdin> to sivaji_2009  ^^
[04:00] <BluesKaj> genii, DOH!
[04:00] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:00] <sivaji_2009> "/var/lib/dpkg/lock:       7464"
[04:01] <stdin> sivaji_2009: sudo kill -9 7464
[04:01] <stdin> then try opening adept again
[04:02] <sivaji_2009> yes i can open now
[04:03] <genii> stdin I think this is a common issue when the auto-update chunks out for whatever reason (inaccessible repo, connection disconnect etc)
[04:04] <genii> eg: no green dot on bottom right
[04:04] <BluesKaj> still denied access , can't copy the JRE file to it even after opening with sudo
[04:04] <sivaji_2009> Failed to fetch http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[04:05] <stdin> is that some sort of porn (XXX) ?
[04:06] <sivaji_2009> what can i do for that error
[04:06] <genii> pr0n ? Never LOL
[04:07] <genii> lk = what tld ??
[04:08] <stdin> sivaji_2009: you van try removing the lk from "deb http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main" in your sources.list (as a temporary measure)
[04:08] <genii> Ah, sri lanka
[04:10] <genii> There is a repository in Masala India which may be closest, but for only i386
[04:11] <sivaji_2009> Reading package lists... Done
[04:12] <genii>  http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ubuntu   is the root URL
[04:12] <sivaji_2009> "sudo apt-get upgrade" what this command will do
[04:13] <sivaji_2009> "sudo apt-get upgrade" what this command will do
[04:14] <sivaji_2009> "sudo apt-get upgrade" what this command will do
[04:15] <genii> "sudo apt-get upgrade"    executes the command to go look at the repositories you have listed in /etc/apt/sources.list and make a list to the computer of what is there to install
[04:15] <stdin> sivaji_2009: it will update the packages you have installed to the newest version available
[04:15] <siv0x> Anyone familiar with wine/steam/counter strike?
[04:16] <siv0x> or maybe, how to get steam and counter strike to work, with wine or another program?
[04:16] <genii> Sorry, that repo is in
[04:16] <genii> Madras     not Masala
[04:16] <genii> ^ clarification
[04:17] <BluesKaj> well, the /usr/java with the JRE in it is created but frostwire still won't launch ...this sucks :(
[04:18] <genii> Did you do the swap from dash to bash by editing the frostwire  startup script? Also is the script executable? etc
[04:24] <genii> Geez wtf??  Is there some recall on external usb drive housing of brand "ioMagic" ??? My second one just fried too
[04:25] <dutta> hi guys i need help. want to delete kubuntu from my PC and try some other distro. But dont know in which partition it is in. can u help me?
[04:26] <Jucato> dutta: typing df -h will show you where / (root) is mounted. that's where the heart of your installation is
[04:27] <Jucato> "df -h" in Konsole
[04:27] <dutta> oh thanks
[04:27] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: I need you're help on this
[04:28] <genii> Crap I just realized what my issue is. I plugged the wrong PS into it
[04:28] <dutta> it gave me the following
[04:28] <dutta> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:28] <dutta> /dev/hda9             8.8G  1.8G  6.6G  22% /
[04:28] <genii> *twice*
[04:28] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: happy new year!!!!
[04:28] <dutta> varrun                220M   92K  220M   1% /var/run
[04:28] <dutta> varlock               220M     0  220M   0% /var/lock
[04:28] <dutta> procbususb             10M  100K   10M   1% /proc/bus/usb
[04:28] <dutta> udev                   10M  100K   10M   1% /dev
[04:28] <dutta> devshm                220M     0  220M   0% /dev/shm
[04:28] <dutta> lrm                   220M   18M  203M   8% /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile
[04:28] <skchang> hi! is eclipse installation available with the packet manager? i have installed kubuntu some minutes ago and want to install all necessary applications, but i cannot find eclipse...
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: take a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/2972
[04:28] <BluesKaj> why won't sudo or kdesu open a /usr/bin file ?
[04:28] <Jucato> !pastebin | dutta
[04:28] <ubotu> dutta: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> happy new year Jucato!
[04:28] <Jucato> dutta: the Kubuntu is installed in /deb/hda9
[04:28] <dutta> oh sorry i didnt know abt that
[04:28] <dutta> i am newbie
[04:28] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: let me check
[04:29] <dutta> thanks for ur info
[04:29] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, why won't sudo or kdesu in the run dialog open a /usr/bin file ?
[04:29] <genii> BluesKaj because Read attribute not set, or it is an executable file?
[04:29] <genii> (binary file)
[04:29] <Jucato> what's BluesKaj trying to do?
[04:29] <genii> Jucato get his Frostwire going
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> !frostwire
[04:30] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:30] <Jucato> oh...
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> most problems are due to java really
[04:30] <BluesKaj> frostwire is still looking for JRE in the /usr/bin file not the usr/java file the instructions say to create
[04:31] <genii> BluesKaj  just symlink then
[04:31] <BluesKaj> yeah , how is symlink done ?
[04:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: did you run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" after installing Sun Java?
[04:32] <genii> Maybe try Jucatos way first before doing that
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: can you leave the appropriate comment? is the comment about problems in Edgy about kde
[04:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I'm reading through the page... can't figure out what's wrong though...
[04:32] <Jucato> still thinking
[04:34] <genii> BluesKaj  Anyhoo if symlinking is whats needed eventually, is it looking for a jile just called "java" or the full long name eg: jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.bin    or whatever?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> ok , i think i got it this time ...lemme check
[04:36] <BluesKaj> it opened and it looks good genii, Jucato and all , thx
[04:37] <genii> Jucato deserves the credit
[04:37] <Jucato> :P
[04:37] <Jucato> genii: you can uncross your fingers now :P
[04:37] <genii> :)
[04:39] <genii> Interesting... I just discovered this monitor someone gave me has a ps2 port on back and is a touchscreen :)  Very cool
[04:40] <Jucato> whoa!?! touchscreen??!
[04:40] <genii> Yeah :)
[04:40] <Jucato> and someone just gave it to you?!?!
[04:40] <genii> It is a 17 and they got a flatscreen HD
[04:41] <Jucato> still... a free touchscreen...
[04:41] <genii> I don't think he knew, always used a mouse with it
[04:41] <Jucato> you're very lucky, then. have you tried getting it to work?
[04:41] <genii> I just hooked it to see on an old windoze 98se. After it boots we'll know more :)
[04:42] <Jucato> pretty sure it's possible to make it work, as Kubuntu runs on Tablet PC's too
[04:43] <skchang> hi! how can i install a jdk on kubuntu? i cannot fint it with "adept manager"
[04:43] <Jucato> jdk?
[04:43] <genii> Cool cool :) Seems to be a ps2 mouse at least to Windoze 98 ... I can use it on the login screen.
[04:43] <stdin> skchang: you need to enable the multiverse repositort
[04:44] <Jucato> aah
[04:44] <stdin> Jucato: java development kit
[04:44] <Jucato> !sun-java-jdk | skchang
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java-jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <skchang> stdin: multiverse? i only see main restricted, universe, ... no multiverse
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> !java
[04:44] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[04:44] <stdin> !sun-java5-jdk | skchang
[04:44] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4918 kB, installed size 11412 kB
[04:44] <stdin> !repos
[04:44] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:45] <Jucato> lol sorry about that.. forgot the '5'
[04:45] <stdin> Jucato: you forgot the '5' :P
[04:45] <njee> skchang: never done it myself, but maybe you can use this to help you http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Java_Development_Kit_.28JDK.29_v5.0
[04:45] <skchang> thanks for your help, i will manage it alone now
[04:45] <skchang> i have just installed kubuntu, and it's all new to me
[04:45] <stdin> skchang: that's how you learn :D
[04:45] <Admiral_Chicago> check out the repos page first, then java
[04:46] <stdin> Admiral_Chicago is right, afterall, he is the admiral
[04:48] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: just replied to the support request. Don't know if it will be of any help
[04:48] <genii> BTW as a general warning as I just fried 2 external USB HD converter boards: The power supply for US Robotics external modems fits an external USB HD of brand "I/O Magic" but mistakenly plugging it in there will fry the USB converter part in a couple minutes
[04:49] <BluesKaj> bummer  :(
[04:50] <Admiral_Chicago> that's a bad deal man
[04:50] <BluesKaj> frostwire is a friggin pron source
[04:50] <genii> Yeah the drive hardware didn't like the AC incoming current at 1Amp too much LOL
[04:50] <BluesKaj> yeow
[04:51] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: i thought that's why you wanted to install it
[04:51] <BluesKaj> milliwatts is enuff
[04:51] <genii> At least the drives themselves are OK... maybe I can rma it
[04:52] <BluesKaj> well, i guess I should have said i was looking for another alternative to aMule :)
[04:52] <genii> If not ...well, there's always the electronics catalogue LOL
[04:53] <genii> Anyhow I'll shut up now about it all LOL
[04:53] <Admiral_Chicago> I need to grab an external HD
[04:53] <[shroom] > Is anyone using an x86_64 kernel on an MSI K9N Platinum (non-SLI) motherboard?
[04:55] <genii> Admiral_Chicago I dunno about in the US but here at FutureShop I got these 250Gb for about $90 (Canadian) and the 500 for $130
[04:55] <BluesKaj> refurbed , genii ?
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> genii: yes I'm looking for one and I think 80ish is a good price
[04:56] <BluesKaj> that's pretty cheap
[04:56] <genii> BluesKaj No, brand new with 1 yr warranty
[04:57] <BluesKaj> hmmm , sounds good ...gonna look in the future shop site later
[04:57] <genii> Inside is Seagate drive, IDE so not too bad. At the same time I picked up an external USB -> SATA enclosure (not fried yet!) for about $50
[04:57] <genii> BluesKaj That was on Boxing day so maybe a bit higher now :)
[04:57] <BluesKaj> future shop is now owned by ?
[04:58] <genii> BestBut I think
[04:58] <BluesKaj> right
[04:58] <genii> BestBuy    rather ROFL
[04:59] <BluesKaj> you were right the first time :)
[04:59] <genii> Freudian slip
[04:59] <[shroom] > genii: Are you in Toronto?
[04:59] <BluesKaj> bought this box from future shop
[05:00] <genii> Yeah Toronto... though these drives I picked up in London, Ont while at my sisters place over holidays
[05:00] <genii> My brother-in-law convinced me to go sit in line at 2AM
[05:00] <BluesKaj> 1 hr to '07
[05:01] <genii> BluesKaj I have CityTV on :)
[05:01] <[shroom] > genii: OK.  I thought you might be in BC when you mentioned Future Shop, but I forgot that FS is in at least Ontario too. ;)
[05:02] <genii> [shroom]  I thought the big bargain spot out there was The Brick  ?
[05:03] <[shroom] > genii: I have not seen any prices from The Brick for a while.
[05:04] <BluesKaj> the brick ...gawd , not too knowledgeable there
[05:05] <[shroom] > genii: $130 for a 500 GB HDD sounds quite low.  I paid $125 for a 320 GB Seagate SATA disk.
[05:06] <genii> [shroom]  The 500 may have been Boxing day only, I don't see it now listed on their site (perusing it now)
[05:07] <genii> Conceivably they may have undercharged me by mistake as it was a total zoo
[05:08] <[shroom] > genii: I could have used that to back up my 300 GB disk in my PC.  I keep saying I need to create a backup routine by I keep putting it off. (fail)
[05:09] <genii> Hmm how many DVD would that be? LOL
[05:10] <genii> 64 dvds
[05:10] <[shroom] > I have a single, large root file system so it is just a manner of writing a bash script to mount the USB disk and run rsync.
[05:10] <[shroom] > *matter
[05:10] <genii> You could run a degraded raid1
[05:11] <genii> rsync = pita
[05:12] <[shroom] > genii: I prefer to have my backup disk not connected to my PC.  I feel safer that way. :)
[05:14] <genii> [shroom]  I yer interested in rsync I wrote a nifty routine to do rsync.log juggling so you get the remote transaction report stored in formate like `date.servername`
[05:15] <genii> so then you call it like:    rs_it -p password servername
[05:15] <genii> in cron etc
[05:16] <DefiantRican> Happy New Year all! Can someone please help me get my ssh client working correctly?
[05:17] <genii> ok roommate is pestering to go for a drink with him
[05:17] <genii> within 40 minutes
[05:17] <genii> LOL
[05:17] <DefiantRican> have a good time genil
[05:17] <BluesKaj> happy new yr , genii ...c ya later
[05:17] <genii> OK catch you all in 2007 sometime :)
[05:18] <BluesKaj> one of the few guys who knows his stuff and still uses chatzilla ...go figure :)
[05:18] <DefiantRican> :-0
[05:20] <BluesKaj> DefiantRican, not too many active ppl here atm ... could be due to the fact it's almost New years here in the eastern time zone
[05:20] <DefiantRican> yea that is where I am too,  I just thought I would take my chances...LOL
[05:21] <BluesKaj> gotta wake wife up soon to watch the NY on TV
[05:21] <dsmith> picasa for linux sucks
[05:21] <dsmith> so does google earth
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> dsmith: that's because it wasn't written for Linux
[05:22] <dsmith> I know..
[05:22] <dsmith> lol
[05:22] <dsmith> porting thru WINE
[05:22] <BluesKaj> daughter is gonna be in times square for the thing to drop
[05:22] <DefiantRican> Admral_Chicago do you know anything about ssh in Ubuntu?
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i hate apps like that. It should be written for Linux, then ported to god knows waht
[05:22] <BluesKaj> it works not too bad in my setup dsmith
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> DefiantRican: not really
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !ssh
[05:22] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> is the best I can help you with
[05:23] <DefiantRican> Thanks a bunch
[05:23] <dsmith> i watched my cpu usage goto 100%
[05:23] <dsmith> and stay there....
[05:24] <dsmith> automatix2 installed my nvidia drives nicely
[05:24] <dsmith> *drivers
[05:24] <BluesKaj> hmmm, never noticed that about picasa
[05:25] <dsmith> it really hammers my laptop
[05:25] <dsmith> i just removed it and started using GWEN
[05:30] <lovloss> how come i cant load up kdm when my nvidia driver is selected ?
[05:42] <noiesmo> lovloss, did you edit xorg.conf
[05:46] <siv0x> can someone help me with ln ? - i made a mistake earlier and typed ln -s (wrong dir) ./steam.exe and now when i try what i need to do it gives me an error that i'm in the wrong dir.
[05:47] <noiesmo> siv0x, it is normally ln -s /path/to/file linkname
[05:48] <siv0x> noiesmo: yes i know.. but something is wrong.
[05:49] <soulrider> hi, does anyone here have a nokia phone ?
[05:52] <siv0x> noiesmo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/81/
[05:52] <siv0x> noiesmo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/81/
[05:53] <noiesmo> siv0x, ok i see
[05:54] <siv0x> noiesmo: how can i fix this? so annoying -- lol
[05:54] <noiesmo> siv0x, maybe like this ln -s /home/siv0x/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/steam/steam.exe stream.exe
[05:55] <siv0x> noiesmo: yes thats right, but i need to remove the first ln i made that was wrong.
[05:56] <noiesmo> siv0x, you should be able to just use the rm filename command
[05:57] <noiesmo> so if open terminal and type cd Desktop then rm stream.exe
[05:59] <lnxkde> join #kubuntu-devel
[05:59] <lnxkde> happy new year people
[06:00] <siv0x> noiemo: i removed it.. but still not working=\
[06:01] <noiesmo> siv0x, pastebin any errors will look
[06:01] <noiesmo> siv0x, how did you install the program your tring to use
[06:02] <siv0x> noiesmo: Well, i know the program is installed correctly, it was just my stupidity that caused it to go to the wrong dir, now i'm trying to delete that ln and make a new one.
[06:03] <noiesmo> siv0x, ok
[06:05] <siv0x> noiesmo: k let me paste this.
[06:05] <noiesmo> siv0x, ok
[06:05] <siv0x> noiesmo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/83/
[06:08] <noiesmo> siv0x, hmm the Last command entered does appear correct wheres this coming from WINEDEBUG="fixme-all" wine steam does this just appear when you enter the ln info
[06:08] <siv0x> noiesmo: no thats just a fix for Steam on wine.
[06:10] <noiesmo> siv0x, ok try this ln -s /home/siv0x/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/steam/steam.exe Z:\\home\\siv0x\\steam.exe
[06:11] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$ ln -s /home/siv0x/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/steam/steam.exe Z:\\home\\siv0x\\steam.exe
[06:11] <siv0x> siv0x@siv0x-desktop:~$ WINEDEBUG="fixme-all" wine steam
[06:11] <siv0x> wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\siv0x\\steam.exe": Invalid handle
[06:11] <noiesmo> siv0x, or along those lines it's wine need to find the modules wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\siv0x\\steam.exe": Module not found
[06:12] <siv0x> noiesmo: if it werent for what i done, it wouldnt be making this mistake.
[06:12] <siv0x> noiesmo: hrmm. i'll just try reinstalling wine.
[06:12] <siv0x> noiesmo: brb
[06:16] <DefiantRican> Are there any cool 3d things to do with Kubuntu that are not buggy?
[06:17] <Jucato> !3ddesktop
[06:17] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[06:17] <DefiantRican> Other then that I have that. but I cannot make it look Cool
[06:17] <DefiantRican> I want it to look different then the standard
[06:18] <DefiantRican> jucato do you know what files to modify to make it look different
[06:19] <Jucato> DefiantRican: run "3ddesk --help" in Konsole. it gives you some choices for the --mode= option
[06:19] <DefiantRican> excellent, thanks jucato
[06:19] <hepme> what file is used for swap in kubuntu? there's no /swap dir
[06:20] <Jucato> hepme: not a file, but a swap partition (normally)
[06:20] <hepme> i created a swap partition but i dont see /swap
[06:21] <Jucato> hepme: you normally won't see it when you list directories
[06:21] <jbchua1> audio not working after i kill all'ed and re-ran kicker to get taskbar back. anyone know a solution?
[06:25] <Red_Tear> somebody still or allready here?
[06:25] <Red_Tear> Ive got a problem
[06:25] <Red_Tear> with kubuntu dapper drake point one
[06:25] <Red_Tear> the point is:
[06:26] <Red_Tear> kubuntu says the file would be just 220.1 kb but if i try to load it up to send it with email on gmx.net it says that the file to upload just can be up to 28 MB
[06:27] <Red_Tear> but kubuntu says it would be just 220.1kb
[06:27] <Red_Tear> but at all 220.1 kb would be very small
[06:27] <Red_Tear> its a .rar
[06:27] <Red_Tear> before compromizing it it was 106 mb big.... so at all 220.1 kb would be very small for that but.... it says it would be just that small...
[06:28] <Red_Tear> and it works to unrar ist
[06:28] <Red_Tear> ist=it
[06:42] <dmc_> Anyone know hot to reinstall the Etherape and "Network" Gui Apps?
[06:44] <php-freak> does any one know why my kubuntu keeps freezes in, and out I mean its not bad or aynthing, but I don't remember it doing this awhile back, just pauses when i get a bunch of windows in firefox running, and it should not do that.
[06:44] <php-freak> maybe i need to defrag it
[06:44] <FFForever> how do i fix this error?, fixme:win:WIN_CreateWindowEx Parent is HWND_MESSAGE
[06:44] <archangel_> can  get a microsoft media keyboard to work with linux?
[06:45] <archangel_> (internet, calulator, email, my doc, volume, ect...)
[06:55] <jbchua1> which drivers should i download for Kubuntu-- RHEL4 Update, Linux(Kernel v 2.214 or 2.4), or Other
[06:58] <DadanHappy> is kubuntu 6.10 can act like server
[06:59] <computer> testing
[06:59] <Lam_> DadanHappy: kubuntu is ubuntu with a kde environment. the server version of kubuntu is the same as the server version of ubuntu because the server version lacks a desktop environment, to which kubuntu, xubunut, and desktop ubuntu are defined differently with
[06:59] <computer> yay (='.'=)
[07:00] <computer> thx alot
[07:00] <Lam_> DadanHappy: if you want the server iso, check http://ubuntu.com/
[07:00] <DadanHappy> ooo
[07:02] <jbchua1> audio not working with realtek alc883. tried installing realtek drivers but given a bunch of errors.
[07:03] <crimsun> jbchua1, you need to use alsa-driver 1.0.14rc1
[07:04] <joseito-ve> Happy New Year for ALL
[07:08] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[07:08] <ForgeAus> hmm now I remember why I didn't exactly like chatzilla
[07:08] <ForgeAus> its a lot better than it used to be tho
[07:20] <jbchua1> audio still not working :|
[07:20] <crimsun> jbchua1, did you unmute the appropriate elements?
[07:20] <jbchua1> crimsun: thx ;)
[07:21] <crimsun> so is it audible?
[07:21] <jbchua1> yes.
[07:21] <crimsun> right.
[07:26] <Lam_> can amarok play cue files?
[07:26] <hyper_ch> Lam_: try it
[07:26] <Lam_> i read that it could, but i haven't been able to myself
[07:33] <sledge> hey, i'm running edgy/multiverse and openoffice.org won't spellcheck my documents. any hints?
[07:36] <sledge> please... anybody? :/
[07:37] <justin_> i may be in the wrong place
[07:37] <justin_> but has anyone ever had a problem installing slackware or openSUSE using a dvd-rw
[07:38] <justin_> instead of a cd or dvd-r
[07:38] <justin_> ?
[07:38] <justin_> ANYBODY THERE?
[07:38] <njee> justin_: worked fine for me
[07:38] <justin_> huh
[07:39] <justin_> that's weird
[07:39] <njee> opensuse 10.2
[07:39] <justin_> both times mine gave an error
[07:39] <justin_> just while copying / installing packages
[07:39] <justin_> but i could see the contents of the cd
[07:39] <justin_> at least in slack
[07:40] <njee> sorry mate no ideas :( didn't have any problems when I was playing around with it...
[07:40] <justin_> i'm gonna give a dvd-r a try now...wish me luck :)
[07:41] <njee> sledge: are you using a non-US language with openoffice?
[07:41] <njee> good luck!
[07:48] <dutta> could you please tell me how to mount a drive? I cant access them
[07:49] <dutta> hello spmeone there
[07:49] <dutta> ?
[07:49] <umalone> The basic syntax is: mount -t type device dir
[07:49] <umalone> type being the file system
[07:50] <umalone> device is the name of the device you want to mount
[07:50] <hepme> is the Adept package manager a product of KDE or is it kubuntu specific? I ask because it allows you to manage repositories but not all linux distros use apt-get like repositories yet can still run KDE
[07:50] <umalone> dir is the mount point
[07:51] <dutta> can you give me an example?
[07:52] <Jucato> hepme: it's the default package manager in Kubuntu, but Adept is in KDE's SVN, so that would also make it a KDE app. so far, it only works with APT/DEB based systems, afaik
[07:53] <umalone> dutta: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/windows
[07:53] <umalone> dutta:  That would be an example of mounting a windows ntfs partition
[07:53] <dutta> now, how would I know which filesystem it is?
[07:54] <umalone> heh. I'm a relative beginner myself. I installed my first kubuntu system ever 3 days ago. :)
[07:54] <dutta> lol
[07:55] <umalone> but you can see in /etc/fstab the filesystems that are mounted at boot
[07:57] <umalone> linux filesystems are usually of type ext3
[08:05] <NateToshiba> bahh, who wants to help me
[08:06] <Red_Tear> hmm whats your problem?
[08:12] <QMario> HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!
[08:13] <jita> QMario: happy new year
[08:15] <Rob-West> whats so happy about it
[08:31] <php-freak> I wish I had some kind of cheat sheet for linux on the commands :)
[08:32] <Jucato> for all of them?
[08:36] <Jucato> ouch!
[08:38] <Jucato> ack!
[08:38] <Rob-West> i love the userbuttons on Konversation
[08:39] <abdusabri> Hi, When trying to configure (xgl), i had this error and tried searching the web, any ideas :)
[08:39] <abdusabri> compiz-kde: Depends: compiz (= 0.0.2-4ubuntu2) but 1:0.3.3-0ubuntu2~git2006112~edgy1 is to be installed
[08:40] <Jucato> heh
[08:40] <Jucato> abdusabri: maybe you can ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:41] <abdusabri> Jucato, thanz :)
[08:41] <abdusabri> *thanx
[08:43] <Rob-West> :P
[08:44] <Kubuntu_Rocks> ok clone go to bed now
[08:44] <abattoir> Jucato is like superman, nothing can penetrate him...
[08:44] <Jucato> :D
[08:45] <Jucato> this is a bad way to start the year... everyone wants to poke me
[08:45] <Rob-West> lol
[08:47] <Rob-West> i poke people
[09:01] <dsmith> hello
[09:01] <dsmith> happy new years, kinda late though
[09:04] <dsmith> test
[09:09] <rizwaan> openoffice.org slow..
[09:09] <rizwaan> make it fast..
[09:09] <rizwaan> Tools-Options-OpenOffice.Org-Memory --> Enable systray quickstarter
[09:12] <rizwaan> Enable systray quickstarter option is not "saved"
[09:12] <rizwaan> openoffice.org slow..
[09:12] <rizwaan> make it fast
[09:12] <rizwaan>  Tools-Options-OpenOffice.Org-Memory --> Enable systray quickstarter
[09:23] <matthew_> So, I'm transferring some files (4.2Gb worth) from an XP box to my Edgy box over a 54Mbps wireless link. Is there a specific reason that I'm maxing out at 1.2Mb/s?
[09:26] <matthew_> So, I'm transferring some files (4.2Gb worth) from an XP box to my Edgy box over a 54Mbps wireless link. Is there a specific reason that I'm maxing out at 1.2Mb/s?
[09:27] <linlin> So, is there a reason you repeated the same thing twice?
[09:27] <matthew_> linlin, I know computer, and since he hadn't seen my previous post, thought he would like to see it, he might be able to help me...
[09:28] <matthew_> oh yeah, I'm using samba to access the shared folder on the XP box.
[09:28] <linlin> why not just plug in an ethernet cord
[09:29] <matthew_> linlin, cause I don't have a crossover cable, and the router is in another room. I don't have a cable that is long enough to go from my desktop to the router.
[09:29] <matthew_> the XP machine is a lappy, by the way...
[09:30] <linlin> well the router is in another room, what do you expect from your poor less-than=perfect signal ?
[09:30] <matthew_> lol, happy new year, linlin
[09:30] <linlin> thankyou
[09:30] <matthew_> linlin, nope, I've got excellent signal on both machines
[09:31] <linlin> if its in another room, thats not possible, there is still signifigant packet loss
[09:32] <matthew_> hmmm, interesting. Both wireless assistants in Kubuntu and XP tell me I've got excellent connectivity...5/5 stars w/ linux, and "Excellent" w/ XP...
[09:32] <linlin> yeah well thats obviouslt your problem
[09:32] <linlin> you are letting the computer cloud your view of common sence
[09:33] <matthew_> linlin, I doubt that I'd get such a dramatic packet loss from a wireless link that's less than 20 feet away.
[09:33] <linlin> you'd be suprised
[09:33] <matthew_> I am
[09:33] <matthew_> maybe an ad-hoc connection would be faster?
[09:33] <linlin> in theory, yes
[09:33] <matthew_> not that I'm going to do that...I'm 24% done...lol
[09:34] <matthew_> linlin, but not in practice?
[09:34] <linlin> but, again, the common sence thing...was wireless ever designed for this type of thing?
[09:34] <matthew_> uh, yeah?
[09:34] <linlin> no
[09:34] <linlin> thats what ethernet was designed for
[09:34] <matthew_> ok, what was it designed for then?
[09:34] <linlin> simple tasks
[09:34] <matthew_> like?
[09:34] <linlin> that do not require much throughput
[09:35] <linlin> i dunno, browsing the web, checking email, etc etc
[09:35] <linlin> not built or expected to perform at or above a copper cord
[09:35] <matthew_> idk...kinda depends on what is acceptable throughput, I guess...
[09:35] <matthew_> linlin, yeah, that's true...but the new wireless standard will
[09:36] <matthew_> it's up to 108Mb/s, I think...
[09:36] <linlin> thats like saying...well, my riced out civic should be able to beat your 4 cyl. mercury cougar
[09:36] <linlin> in a race
[09:36] <linlin> because the fact that they are both made to drive on a road
[09:36] <matthew_> not really...wireless is a new technology...It would be like comparing ethernet w/ dialup
[09:37] <linlin> wireless is not new
[09:37] <matthew_> IMHO
[09:37] <linlin> wifi is new, compated to conventional ethernet or networks in general
[09:37] <binks> happy new year guys/gals
[09:37] <matthew_> that's what I mean
[09:37] <matthew_> wifi, not wireless...got a little mixed up
[09:38] <linlin> im amazed wifi in general does as well as it does
[09:38] <matthew_> hell, wireless is older than ethernet (FM/AM radios)
[09:38] <linlin> you should consider yourself lucky to get 1.2mb/s through the air ;)
[09:39] <matthew_> you know, last year I had to do a major file transfer across ethernet, between an XP and Dapper box, and I think I got poorer speeds than what I've got now...somewhere around 600Kb/s
[09:39] <computer> i get about 0.5mb/s
[09:39] <computer> what wireless card do u use, i want a new one anyway
[09:39] <linlin> then something else is very wrong
[09:40] <matthew_> computer, I'm using an RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
[09:40] <computer> cool, is that usb
[09:40] <matthew_> linlin, hmmm, weird...was just using a router and 2 3' ethernet cables.
[09:40] <matthew_> computer, nope, PCI
[09:41] <computer> cool
[09:41] <matthew_> worked right out of the box for me...yay!
[09:41] <computer> it's made for linux? the wireless card i mean
[09:42] <computer> i just did one google search w/o looking at any websites and the links listed seem to say it's made for linux
[09:42] <binks> anyone no of a irc chan for boa constructor
[09:42] <computer> how much is it then, i heard wirless card for linux is more expensive
[09:42] <matthew_> computer, I got it for free, not sure if it's made for linux or not...
[09:42] <computer> how did get it for free, i want one =)
[09:43] <linlin> computer, any atheros card should work out of the box
[09:43] <matthew_> I work in a computer repair shop, so I just yanked it out of a dead machine from the boneyard...
[09:43] <computer> o mine works fine, i just want one that can give better speed
[09:43] <linlin> that includes most netgears and some linksys, most cisco cards
[09:43] <computer> cool =)
[09:43] <computer> almost all cards work right, just that some are made just for linux
[09:44] <matthew_> I've got a Linksys card sitting in front of me if you want it...you'll have to pay shipping though...lol
[09:44] <matthew_> WMP55AG
[09:45] <matthew_> kinda old though
[09:46] <computer> u'd have to pay me to get that then lol
[09:46] <computer> mine works pretty well already =)
[09:47] <nysosym> good morning :)
[09:47] <matthew_> computer, ok, np...just offering
[09:47] <computer> good night
[09:47] <computer> thx tho =)
[09:47] <nysosym> is it possible to delete only one entry in konqueror?
[09:47] <matthew_> good (early) morning
[09:47] <matthew_> nysosym, what do you mean?
[09:47] <nysosym> matthew_: i will delete one entry in the history from the url bar
[09:47] <computer> if u find a nvidia 7800 agp lying around anytime next month, feel free to ship them =) hehe
[09:47] <hyper_ch> how can I mounta  bin file with a cue sheet?
[09:48] <matthew_> computer, got a couple in my shop...they're the 400 dollar ones, right? Half a gig of memory, etc...
[09:48] <computer> no they're sold at 200 after rebate on newegg
[09:49] <matthew_> nysosym, can't help you, couldn't figure it out myself...
[09:49] <matthew_> computer, oh, ok...must be thinking of something else.
[09:49] <computer> but u have them in front of ya =)
[09:49] <matthew_> hyper_ch,  is the .bin a video?
[09:49] <hyper_ch> matthew_: yes it is
[09:50] <matthew_> !mplayer | hybrid
[09:50] <ubotu> hybrid: mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[09:50] <computer> well that was one screwed up joke, anywayz
[09:50] <ubotu> hybrid: For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[09:50] <hyper_ch> hybrid?
[09:50] <computer> how come mplayer is related to bin file and cue sheets
[09:50] <matthew_> computer, not in front of me...but we've got a couple in the shop...
[09:50] <matthew_> lol, I meant hyper_ch
[09:50] <hyper_ch> matthew_: it's ok :)
[09:50] <matthew_> !mplayer | hyper
[09:50] <ubotu> hyper: mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[09:50] <ubotu> hyper: For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[09:50] <matthew_> nvm
[09:50] <matthew_> rofl
[09:51] <computer> wan'st he asking about bin file and cue sheets
[09:51] <hyper_ch> matthew_: so mplayer can play bin files containing vids?
[09:51] <computer> ah cool nvm then
[09:51] <matthew_> yep
[09:51] <computer> !bin
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <computer> !cue
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <hyper_ch> matthew_: good to know :) thx
[09:52] <matthew_> computer, lol, if I had a couple of those cards, I would yank my ATI rage 128 out in a hearbeat...
[09:52] <matthew_> hyper_ch, np
[09:52] <matthew_> heartbeat*
[09:52] <computer> o i was saying "ah cool nvm" to what hyper_ch said
[09:52] <computer> cuz he sort of explained how bin was related to mplayer
[09:53] <matthew_> ah
[09:53] <computer> i was wondering why u stopped telling the perfectly transparent lie =)
[09:54] <matthew_> computer, it's probably the lack of sleep, but wtf do you mean? lol
[09:54] <computer> it's the lack of sleep =)
[09:55] <computer> what time is it
[09:55] <computer> it's 1 am here
[09:55] <matthew_> 1 am here as well...I live near Eureka, CA
[09:55] <hyper_ch> 10 am here
[09:55] <computer> actually it's 10 am here too hehe
[09:55] <matthew_> nice...lol
[09:56] <computer> u don't live near eureka
[09:56] <computer> =)
[09:56] <hyper_ch> computer: not Eureka but Eur-ope
[09:56] <computer> i think i should stop being annoying =)
[09:58] <matthew_> computer, uh, yeah, I do live near Eureka, California, USA
[09:59] <hyper_ch> California... I guess it's warmer there than over here...
[09:59] <matthew_> guess so...liquid weather tells me it's about 37 degrees Farenheit here...
[09:59] <hyper_ch> how does that convert into Celsius?
[10:00] <matthew_> ok, going to bed, g'night everyone...linlin, thanks for the discussion on wireless and wifi
[10:00] <matthew_> hyper_ch, about 0 Celsius
[10:00] <matthew_> freezing
[10:00] <matthew_> lol, g'night
[10:00] <linlin> later
[10:00] <hyper_ch> california? That cold????
[10:00] <hyper_ch> good night
[10:01] <matthew_> yep, the whole state isn't one big giant Los Angeles or Hollywood....google around for Redwoods...you'll see what it's like up here...ok, now I really AM going to bed!
[10:01] <computer> i never said u didn't live near eureka
[10:01] <computer> o i actually did
[10:01] <computer> lol
[10:01] <computer> sorrie =) hehe
[10:24] <jerp> it's probably a bad time to ask a question huh  :(
[10:25] <makuseru> nah
[10:25] <makuseru> go aheasd
[10:25] <jerp> aptitude gives me the 'can not get lock' response I've checked the sysguard and I don't see anything running
[10:25] <makuseru> cannot get lock?
[10:26] <jerp> adept isn't running, synaptic isn't installed
[10:26] <makuseru> im not fimiliar with that, sorry
[10:26] <jerp> thanks
[10:27] <makuseru> sorry i couldnt help
[10:27] <jerp> np
[10:27] <makuseru> ask in #ubuntu its talkitive now
[10:27] <jerp> ok, good idea
[10:35] <tobami> hi, does anyone know why after logging in with "su - kde-devel", .bashrc isn't loaded?
[10:35] <tobami> I have to start it manually every time I log in
[10:36] <tobami> and as user kde-devel arrowup and tab-autocompletion don't work
[10:37] <tobami> anyone knows?
[10:39] <hastesaver> tobami, is kde-devel a user you created, or some default one?
[10:40] <tobami> hastesaver: i created it with "useradd kde-devel"
[10:41] <hastesaver> tobami, ok... I don't know, maybe add a line .bash_profile to source .bashrc :-)
[10:41] <tobami> but .bash_profile should load .bashrc?
[10:42] <hastesaver> tobami, not by default, no.
[10:42] <tobami> when I do ". .bash_profile", .bashrc is loaded
[10:43] <BDDF> tobami: can you verify that bash is the kde-devel user's login shell?
[10:43] <tobami> mm, how?
[10:43] <BDDF> look in /etc/passwd
[10:43] <BDDF> for that user
[10:44] <tobami> your right! it's sh
[10:45] <tobami> that would explain why I get no autocompletion
[10:45] <BDDF> so ... as kde-devel
[10:45] <BDDF> chsh
[10:45] <BDDF> then enter /bin/bash
[10:45] <BDDF> yeah ... because bash is not running
[10:46] <BDDF> changing the login shell should fix that
[10:46] <tobami> It worked!
[10:46] <tobami> thx a lot BDDF and hastesaver
[10:47] <BDDF> oh ... and so you know ... when you sourced the bash_profile
[10:47] <BDDF> ie . .bash_profile
[10:47] <tobami> eh?
[10:47] <BDDF> bash is not running ... but the source worked because I am assuming you have only posix commands
[10:47] <BDDF> and nothing bash specific over regular sh
[10:48] <tobami> ah! well a funtion was defined in .bashrc that didn't work: cmakekde
[10:48] <riccardo> hi happy new near to everybody
[10:48] <tobami> so what you say makes sense
[10:48] <BDDF> you would still be in a regular bourne shell (sh)
[10:48] <BDDF> but you just executed the bash_profile (which probably executed the bashrc)
[10:49] <riccardo> I've a problem, I'm using kubuntu and I don't understand why with konqueror browser I can surf in the net while with firefox no :(
[10:49] <BDDF> inside of the /bin/sh you are running in
[10:49] <hastesaver> riccardo, are you behind a firewall? proxy?
[10:49] <riccardo> no i don't use any protection
[10:49] <riccardo> it's very strange
[10:50] <riccardo> why konqueror open the  web pages very quicly
[10:50] <hastesaver> what does Firefox say?
[10:51] <riccardo> that the time to open the pages is over
[10:51] <riccardo> and upon it's written error to load the page :S
[10:52] <riccardo> also with google with all web pages
[10:52] <riccardo> any suggest for me ?
[10:59] <riccardo> ...
[10:59] <riccardo> :(
[11:00] <thibault> hh
[11:00] <thibault> ^^
[11:01] <riccardo> ok I found the mistake ^^
[11:01] <riccardo> now it's ok
[11:13] <Volpe> Alpha23
[11:17] <makuseru> are there any links on how-to's for making bootsplashes or login screens?
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> makuseru: problem is it varies between the distro's a bit
[11:18] <Jucato> !usplash | makuseru
[11:18] <ubotu> makuseru: usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:18] <makuseru> well we are in Kubuntu arnt we
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> makuseru: aah, thought I was in #kde
[11:18] <Jucato> hm... lag?
[11:19] <makuseru> ha, ok
[11:19] <Jucato> oh there
[11:19] <Jucato> Hi Linux_Galore
[11:19] <Linux_Galore> hai Jucato
[11:23] <Linux_Galore> makuseru: hai Jucato
[11:23] <Linux_Galore> oops
[11:24] <Jucato> lol
[11:24] <Linux_Galore> my brain is in holiday mode
[11:24] <Jucato> heh apparently :P
[11:26] <june> hey where can i get the falcon repository so that i can install it on a web server (which i don't have administrative rights to)
[11:26] <june> repository builder*
[11:32] <Danker> Hi
[11:32] <Danker> How to list all users and groups with their uids and gids?
[11:35] <fdoving> Danker: 'getent passwd' to list users with uids, 'getent group' to list groups with users
[11:35] <Danker> thanks
[11:39] <NateToshiba> guys i got a slight problem, ive install dapper drake, but i cant boot into it, i made a bootloader with spfdisk but it shows the partition as invailid, and acronis os selector is being a turd, any suggestions?
[11:39] <june> how can i connect to a ftp server through ssh with konqueror?  under gnome i'd just hit "connect to server" and enter the server name and such.  I'm rather unfamiliar with KDE, so how would i go about it?
[11:40] <fdoving> june: just enter the path in the address field. ftp://username:password@ftp.site.com
[11:41] <june> but it's through ssh
[11:41] <fdoving> sftp?
[11:41] <june> oh ok
[11:41] <fdoving> try sftp://username:password@ftp.site.com
[11:41] <june> that's what i was looking for
[11:41] <june> thanks
[11:41] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[11:41] <fdoving> konqueror is very smart that way.
[11:41] <june> so it doesn't prompt for uname and pw?
[11:42] <fdoving> not sure, you can atleast try to leave the password out.
[11:42] <fdoving> it'll prompt for that for sure.
[11:43] <june> hrm, it automatically took out the password, but it's giving me an error "error talking to ssh"  and if i do just ssh://       it says connection refused...
[11:43] <fdoving> june: try fish:// then.
[11:44] <Jucato> ssh? maybe sftp:// then?
[11:44] <june> fish? alright
[11:44] <june> Jucato: well i get the error talking to ssh with sftp
[11:45] <Jucato> fdoving: what's the diff between fish:// and sftp:// ? (I use sftp://)
[11:45] <june> ugh
[11:46] <june> i had the hostname wrong that's why :-/
[11:48] <fdoving> Jucato: i think fish can use a regular non-sftp ssh connection. while sftp uses a sftp-subsystem in the ssh-server.
[11:50] <[abhishek] > how to make k menu trasparent
[11:50] <NateToshiba> guys i got a slight problem, ivco
[11:51] <NateToshiba> ive install dapper drake, but i cant boot into it, i made a bootloader with spfdisk but it shows the partition as invailid, and acronis os selector is being a turd, any suggestions?
[11:51] <Jucato> [abhishek] : System Settings -> Appearance -> Style -> Effects tab
[11:51] <[abhishek] > Jucato: ok
[11:51] <fdoving> [abhishek] : as far as i know you can't do that without making every menu transparent, you'll find the configuration for that where jucato pointed you.
[11:51] <[abhishek] > let me chheck
[11:51] <Jucato> er yeah... what fdoving said :)
[11:53] <burryl> can beryl have a different desktop on each of its four faces of the cube? right now for my beryl, all faces of the cube display the same desktop
[11:53] <burryl> i know this prolly should go in xgl channel but more people here so i thought i might try here
[11:54] <burryl> plus don't think i'm hogging any channel space seeing it's 3 in the morning
[11:57] <[abhishek] > Jucato: thanks
[11:57] <[abhishek] > Jucato:  it worked
[11:58] <Jucato> you're welcome
[11:58] <[abhishek] > Jucato: how to install metabar themes
[11:58] <[abhishek] > where can i get those?
[11:58] <Jucato> er.. that I don't know...
[11:58] <[abhishek] > Jucato: why?
[11:59] <[abhishek] > Jucato: ok
[11:59] <[abhishek] > no problem
[12:06] <ForgeAus> hey all
[12:07] <ForgeAus> what do you guys think of Wolvix? (hunter)
[12:09] <ForgeAus> hey Thomas :)
[12:10] <ThomasZ> Hiya; I'm trying to install kubuntu from the live-CD but the installer doesn't work (fails to see that I _did_ actually select a root partition).  Any alternatives to installing it?
[12:10] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: hiya :)
[12:11] <ForgeAus> um there are alternative distro's you could install but what happens with the kubuntu installer? does it give you an error?
[12:11] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: it jus tells me "No root file system". Not sure why.
[12:12] <ForgeAus> ahhh you need to manage your partition
[12:12] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: I used a konsole to fdisk and mkreiserfs
[12:12] <ThomasZ> manage?
[12:12] <ForgeAus> yeah use the parted (cant' remember if its gparted or qtparted  in the kubuntu installer its easier
[12:12] <ForgeAus> let them make your partition for you and install once its done
[12:13] <ForgeAus> I had a similar problem first time
[12:13] <ThomasZ> does that allow reiserFS by now?
[12:13] <ThomasZ> In dapper it didnt
[12:13] <ForgeAus> but if oyu fiddle with it (in the same drivespace) you should manage to fix it
[12:13] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure I'm using ext3
[12:13] <Jucato> ThomasZ: still no reiser... the problem is with QtParted
[12:13] <ThomasZ> ext3 is too fragile for me.
[12:13] <ForgeAus> (sometimes ti reports as reiserfs strangely enough)
[12:13] <Jucato> (or at least the version of QtParted that they use)
[12:14] <henyar> hi everyone
[12:14] <ForgeAus> fragile? how?
[12:14] <henyar> I am in big trouble
[12:14] <ThomasZ> well, then how do I convince the installer that if I have a partition that is mounted at / that it _is_ the root filesystem...
[12:14] <neoncode> deleteing the ".hidden" file in / won't do anything appart from un-hide everything right?
[12:15] <ForgeAus> I don't know much about filesystems aside from the general ext* is inode based, mac HPFS has resource forks, and FAT's have file allocation tables (not even sure if NTFS works similar to fat or not)
[12:15] <henyar> yesterday I was dividing in two a video
[12:15] <Jucato> !hidden | neoncode
[12:15] <ubotu> neoncode: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[12:15] <henyar> and everything froze
[12:15] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: after rebooting the ext3 system without properly shutting it down I get consisten data corruption :)  So I switched back to reiserFS :)
[12:15] <henyar> and now the pc won't start properly
[12:16] <ForgeAus> ahh dismounting... yeah I heard something about that
[12:16] <henyar> "/home is not beeing mounted
[12:16] <henyar> and / is mounted readonly
[12:16] <ForgeAus> Thomas, perhaps you should be as careful as possible to shutdown?
[12:17] <henyar> and I got messages from sda
[12:17] <ForgeAus> its always better to do before you reboot anyway
[12:17] <ForgeAus> I do understand however if an appor something  crashes....
[12:17] <ForgeAus> not much you can do about it sometimes
[12:18] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: well, if you use a proper filesystem its not an issue.
[12:18] <Red_Tear_1> hmm
[12:18] <Red_Tear_1> erection reset by beer
[12:18] <ForgeAus> are you implying theres something improper about ext3?
[12:19] <neoncode> Jucato: thank you
[12:19] <henyar> how can I remount rw the / partition?
[12:19] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: i'm only stating that I get file corruption within a couple of weeks every time I try out ext3.  And a theory on why.
[12:19] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: anyway; off topic.  I want to install using reiserFS. And the installer doesn't seem to allow me to do that.
[12:20] <ForgeAus> then maybe you should contribute your insights into those working on the filesystem to improve it?
[12:20] <henyar> It has already passed fsck.ext3 with -fy
[12:20] <neoncode> Ah good, I get my filesystem back in fiesty.
[12:20] <ForgeAus> neon? what do you mean?
[12:20] <henyar> is everybody having trouble with filesystems today
[12:20] <ForgeAus> also the herd in feisty herd isn't anything to do with the hurd kernel right?
[12:20] <henyar> how curius
[12:21] <Red_Tear_1> henyar i got yes
[12:21] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: the bugreport was ignored stating that even while ext3 is journalling; I should not expect it to bring the advantages I expect (and actually get from other journalling FSes). *shrug*
[12:21] <henyar> looks like neoncode too
[12:21] <ForgeAus> Thomas, good luck but I suggest using ext3
[12:21] <Red_Tear_1> Im using dapper drake point one and in Graphical user interface it shows the size of one file wrong
[12:22] <Red_Tear_1> 220.1 kb it shows
[12:22] <neoncode> henyar: I didn't realy have troubble with it, I knew that the files were hidden I just didn't want them to be.
[12:22] <ThomasZ> ForgeAus: not going to happen.
[12:22] <Red_Tear_1> but in reality its 106 MB big
[12:22] <ForgeAus> thomas, in that case I'm sorry I don't know enough to assist you
[12:22] <Jucato> ThomasZ: not sure if there's a bug in the Ubiquity installer for Edgy, but I think I've heard of other users complaining about something like that. might wanna ask in #kubuntu-devel (in case some people are around)
[12:23] <ThomasZ> Jucato: ok, I'll try that. Thanks.
[12:23] <Jucato> er sorry about that ThomasZ....
[12:23] <Jucato> rawr..
[12:24] <Jucato> ThomasZ: oh, and thanks for the work in KOffice/KWord :)
[12:24] <ThomasZ> Jucato: :)
[12:24] <ForgeAus> brb gotta reboot...
[12:24] <ForgeAus> trying out Wolvix - hunter
[12:25] <[abhishek] _> i am trying to install ksmoothdock
[12:25] <[abhishek] _> getting the error : Can't find X includes.
[12:25] <[abhishek] _> what is the solution for this?
[12:26] <Jucato> [abhishek] _: you're compiling from source?
[12:26] <Jucato> !ksmoothdock
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksmoothdock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: yeah
[12:26] <Jucato> [abhishek] _: you need to install xorg-dev and kde-devel
[12:27] <Jucato> I also presume you already have build-essential installed?
[12:28] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: build is installed
[12:28] <ShadowDrakken> greetings
[12:29] <Jucato> [abhishek] _: ok, then install the other two I mentioned
[12:30] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: which repo are required for xorg
[12:30] <Jucato> !xorg-dev
[12:30] <ubotu> xorg-dev: the X.Org X Window System development libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[12:30] <Jucato> !kde-devel
[12:31] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[12:31] <Jucato> [abhishek] _: xorg-dev: main; kde-devel: universe
[12:31] <ShadowDrakken> how long should it normally take to load the deskto-6.10 CD? mine's been sitting here for about 15 minutes, the Kubuntu logo vanished, but the loader bar that bounces back and forth is still there and stopped moving...
[12:31] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: synaptic is showing me both the packages
[12:32] <[abhishek] _> but kde-devel asks to remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:32] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: try rebooting and a check of your cd.
[12:32] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: ...do a check.  There is a menu option in the kubuntu menu for that..
[12:33] <ShadowDrakken> ok, I'll give it a shot
[12:33] <Jucato> [abhishek] _: hm... that shouldn't be happening. are you using Ubuntu/GNOME?
[12:33] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: both
[12:34] <Jucato> hm...
[12:34] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: gnome and kde
[12:34] <Jucato> that's strange...
[12:34] <fdoving> kde-devel should not be needed. kdelibs4-dev should be enought.
[12:35] <Jucato> fdoving: really?
[12:35] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: fdoving: my kde is trying to get rid of ubuntu-desk
[12:36] <ShadowDrakken> ThomasZ: I keep getting "[17179569.184000]  ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP" before it goes to the loader too... it continues without any input, so I just presumed it was non-critical
[12:36] <Jucato> hm... possibly. kdelibs4-dev is one of the dependencies of kde-devel :)
[12:36] <[abhishek] _> Jucato: thanks buddy
[12:37] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: sorry, no clue. Maybe someone else read it and wants to comment.
[12:37] <Jucato> hm.. dinner..
[12:37] <ShadowDrakken> only thing I found on that error online is something to do with older CD-ROM drives
[12:38] <fox_> I have a question about Python
[12:38] <rich4534> how do I get my startup screen the same as my resolution on the desktop?
[12:40] <HymnToLife> rich4534, define "startup screen"...
[12:41] <Topsun> rich4534: you have to allow only one resolution xorg.conf
[12:42] <rich4534> still a little new, what do I have to do?
[12:44] <ShadowDrakken> any recomendations on nice desktop eyecandy using Xgl?
[12:45] <ThomasZ> mount
[12:45] <ThomasZ> oops ;)
[12:45] <ShadowDrakken> heh, had it halfway typed in Google too ;)
[12:46] <ThomasZ> Jucato: ok, This is just silly :)  I decided to see what it would do if I format using ext3. And what do you know. Now the installer formats using reiserFS!  Weird piece of cr^Wsoftware
[12:47] <ShadowDrakken> ThomasZ: CD integrity checks out fine :\
[12:48] <Topsun> rich4534: what do you mean exactly? the console output while booting or the login screen?
[12:49] <rich4534> console ourput
[12:49] <ThomasZ> my guess would be the screen that shows the kdm.
[12:50] <eilker> hi,  i have problem with kget, when i reboot pc , it resumes download without any problem, but my internet connection is bad, i oftenly disconnect from internet and re-connects automatically, and kget doesnt resume, i need to press "go on" everytime..when i am not awake, i cant download because of this problem...any help pls ?
[12:52] <ThomasZ> eilker: sounds like a problem in your modem where it doesn't disconnect the connection kget sets up when it looses connection.
[12:52] <Topsun> rich4534: the kernel needs the framebuffer module and if you have it you can pass the vga parameter to set the resolution, maybe you try to search a little bit on the internet abaout that
[12:53] <rich4534> ok,thanks
[12:53] <eilker> ThomasZ: yes, but i had no problem in xp, with same modem and connection...do i have chance to use any other software similar to kget ?
[01:00] <eilker> !kget
[01:00] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 431 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[01:01] <eilker> !wget
[01:01] <ubotu> wget: retrieves files from the web. In component main, is standard. Version 1.10.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 226 kB, installed size 1952 kB
[01:02] <ShadowDrakken> it amazes me that there's 260 people in here, and only 2 even attempt to help...
[01:03] <eilker> ShadowDrakken: what was your problem ?
[01:03] <Topsun> there are 'some' idler ^^
[01:03] <ijacek> !cz
[01:03] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[01:04] <ShadowDrakken> the kubuntu desktop6.10 CD keeps freezing about 10-15min in, still on the first loader screen after the options menu
[01:04] <eilker> do u use ? xgl ,aixgl etc ?
[01:05] <ShadowDrakken> not that far yet, it's not installed... I really mean the FIRST loader screen
[01:05] <ShadowDrakken> where it just says Kubuntu and has the blue bar with the bouncing glow
[01:06] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: just an 'it freezes' tends to be too generic a problem to stand up and help.  Do some research and find where the problem is coming from...
[01:06] <eilker> did u try to change that screen with any other ?
[01:06] <eilker> may be xorg.conf..
[01:06] <eilker> and what says, sys.log ? or xorg log ?
[01:06] <ShadowDrakken> seriously eilker, I'm not far enough to change anything... I'm running the CD still
[01:07] <eilker>  may be /var/log helps to find the reason...
[01:07] <ShadowDrakken> ThomasZ: that's what's I'm here trying to do... I stick the CD in, boot up the computer, select "Start or Install Kubuntu" get the error I told you, the loader comes up, and then it freezes
[01:08] <ShadowDrakken> eilker: you can't write logs to CDs
[01:08] <php-freak> hey guys ain't there  way to download all folders/files at once through cli?
[01:08] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: well; did you try things like pressing esc, seeing if there are alternative virtual consoles etc.
[01:08] <ThomasZ> php-freak: man wget
[01:08] <ShadowDrakken> <-- new user
[01:08] <eilker> ShadowDrakken>:)) yeah u r right, sorry , i have never used live cd...
[01:09] <ShadowDrakken> eilker: not a live CD... it's the distro CD
[01:09] <php-freak> whats man mean?
[01:09] <Topsun> man man :)
[01:09] <php-freak> do i use wget at the ftp prompt?
[01:09] <eilker> manual pages..
[01:10] <eilker> !man
[01:10] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:10] <ShadowDrakken> I'm using "kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso"
[01:10] <ThomasZ> php-freak: well; you said cli prompt.  Try typing "man wget" on it :)
[01:10] <ThomasZ> php-freak: or, in konqueror type "#wget" in the location bar.
[01:10] <ShadowDrakken> ThomasZ: [esc]  didn't do anything... but I don't see where it should since the OS isn't installed yet at this point
[01:11] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: actually, it is.
[01:12] <ShadowDrakken> hrm, well the HDD still shows as unformatted
[01:13] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: anything on other virutal-terminals?
[01:13] <ShadowDrakken> don't even know what a virtual terminal is, as I said, I'm a new user
[01:13] <ShadowDrakken> [esc]  didn't do anything
[01:13] <php-freak> k one more question how do i change my local folder?
[01:13] <kolmari> I'm a new user as well.
[01:13] <ThomasZ> ShadowDrakken: ah, sorry.  Press alt-F2.  Or alt-shift-f2.
[01:14] <php-freak> k one more question how do i change my local folder?
[01:14] <kolmari> Does anyone know why I am banned from #ubuntu?  Is it Tor?
[01:14] <php-freak> how do i chnage where the wget downloads the files for this one time?
[01:15] <ShadowDrakken> ah, alt-f1 brought me back to that error... and it finally just said something new... * Checking file systems...
[01:15] <Topsun> php-freak: man wget ?
[01:15] <ShadowDrakken> the frozen screen is on alt-f8
[01:15] <php-freak> if im using wget ftp://test:test@ftp.world.com
[01:15] <php-freak> how can i set where the files download too?
[01:16] <ShadowDrakken> f2 has * Activating swap... and mount: Function not implimented
[01:17] <Topsun> kolmari: did you post too much text?
[01:17] <php-freak> ?
[01:17] <php-freak> Topsun: did you get that?
[01:17] <Topsun> did you rtfm ?
[01:17] <php-freak> topsun: well yea
[01:17] <ThomasZ> php-freak: really; please read the man pages before you keep asking us.
[01:17] <php-freak> don't say anything about changing the local directory
[01:19] <eilker> !d4x
[01:19] <ubotu> d4x: graphical download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.7.1-2 (edgy), package size 706 kB, installed size 2016 kB
[01:19] <kolmari> @Topsun: No. I logged on to freenode via Tor. Can't join #ubuntu. :(
[01:20] <Topsun> kolmari: Tor may be a possible reason, could you try without it?
[01:21] <kolmari> Well, I thought freenode was favourable towards Tor ...
[01:22] <kolmari> Anyway, I'm looking for a good reason to choose K/ubuntu over Debian.
[01:22] <Jucato_> ugh...
[01:22] <kolmari> Originally, I wanted to install Debian.
[01:23] <kolmari> But who knows how long it takes for "etch" to come out ...
[01:23] <HymnToLife> kolmari, the real question would be "who cares ?"
[01:23] <HymnToLife> Etch is rock stable already
[01:23] <Jucato> that's one "advantage" of Ubuntu over Debian, a 6-month development cycle
[01:24] <Jucato> kolmari: this might be more helpful: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[01:25] <kolmari> hymn: OIC, so I might give it a shot right now!
[01:25] <HymnToLife> I'm actually using Debian unstable right now without any problem
[01:26] <kolmari> My "challenge" is that I have never used Linux before.
[01:27] <kolmari> So the "just works" thing of ubuntu might be helpful.
[01:27] <Jucato> !justworks
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about justworks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <Jucato> hm...
[01:28] <HymnToLife> kolmari, be careful about the nice marketing slogans
[01:28] <ShadowDrakken> kolmari: "just works"? I can't even get it to install off the distro CD... and kubuntu is supposed to be the most friendly Linux distro
[01:28] <Jucato> bah nvm...
[01:28] <HymnToLife> (see Automatix...)
[01:28] <Jucato> "Just works" doesn't always work on each and every system for each and every person
[01:28] <kolmari> OIC!
[01:29] <kolmari> What I know is that I tried to install "Sarge" before, and I had some problems :(
[01:29] <HymnToLife> Sarge is pretty old
[01:29] <HymnToLife> it's nomal you get problems if you have new hardware
[01:30] <Topsun> HymnToLife: you dont have to use sarge ;)
[01:30] <eilker> kolmari: i am newbie too, i installed 5-6 distro's, i have never had problem, what kind of problems ??
[01:30] <HymnToLife> Topsun, I know, using Sid right now :)
[01:30] <eilker> usb modem ?
[01:30] <kolmari> eilker: well, I freely admit my main problem was that I didn't know too much about Linux.
[01:31] <kolmari> So to start, I would be nice to have a Distro that "just works" and take it from there.
[01:31] <rhainur> erm
[01:31] <HymnToLife> kolmari, there is no such thing
[01:31] <rhainur> linux newbie here
[01:32] <Topsun> HymnToLife: you said that you get stuck in kubuntu start, what about console, are there any problems?
[01:32] <ShadowDrakken> HymnToLife: sure there is... MacOS and Windows
[01:32] <HymnToLife> even in Windows you have to do some manual config before you get it working the way you want
[01:32] <kolmari> hymn: well, you're right ;)
[01:32] <HymnToLife> Topsun, you must confuse with someone else :)
[01:32] <rhainur> I want to know which config file I'm supposed to modify to get kubuntu to display at a resolution higher than 1024x768
[01:32] <kolmari> I know I have to do my homework ...
[01:32] <rhainur> my laptop can support up to 1440x900
[01:32] <rhainur> but it doesn't seem to show up in display settings
[01:32] <Topsun> HymnToLife: ok :)
[01:32] <kolmari> It gets urgent now because of the "Vista"-threat!
[01:32] <HymnToLife> !resolution | rhainur
[01:32] <eilker> xorg.conf ?
[01:33] <ubotu> rhainur: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:33] <rhainur> thank you
[01:33] <eilker> !xgl
[01:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:34] <rhainur> just so you know, I've tried a bunch of linux distros, and kubuntu was the first one that installed flawlessly without too much trouble, and worked with the majority of my hardware out of the box
[01:34] <rhainur> great job, guys
[01:34] <eilker> yeah i like kubuntu too
[01:34] <rhainur> ( still need to figure out how to fix the wireless card though, not sure if it's working or I need drivers, but still )
[01:34] <HymnToLife> I think everyone here likes Kubuntu
[01:35] <eilker> ahahah:)))
[01:36] <Jucato> they do?
[01:36] <ShadowDrakken> at this point... I'm unable to agree
[01:37] <Jucato> at this point, I'm unable to both agree and disagree :P
[01:38] <ShadowDrakken> I like what I've seen of Kubuntu from guys at work, after spending a week installing it... but with the broken shit for install it's doing now, and just the fact that it takes a week to make it usable in the first place...
[01:39] <Topsun> ShadowDrakken: what problems did they have?
[01:39] <eilker> Jucato: how come ? i was thinking u r a developer (kinda)
[01:39] <ShadowDrakken> Topsun: video and wireless drivers primarilly
[01:39] <Jucato> eilker: lol! the ":p" at the end sort of signified it was a joke. and I'm not a developer, not even "kinda" :)
[01:39] <Jucato> although you could consider me a wannabe :)
[01:40] <kolmari> I'm a wannabe Linux user ... ;)
[01:40] <rhainur> umm, guys
[01:41] <rhainur> I have a laptop, and I...am unsuccessful in finding my monitor's horizontal sync and refresh rate
[01:41] <rhainur> can any of you expert Googlers perhaps help me out?
[01:41] <rhainur> it's a Dell Inspiron E1705
[01:41] <eilker_> Jucato: :))) u try to help as much as u can, and u have sth at your web, it made me think like that :D
[01:41] <ijacek> !cz
[01:41] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[01:41] <JOSF> Hi! How can I make the command-line ttys have a bigger resolution ? Also, MidnighCommander's graphical characters come up totally messed up. Any ideas on that ?
[01:42] <ShadowDrakken> rhainur: refresh is likely 60Hz, checking hor ref
[01:42] <Jucato> eilker_: hehe well, you can wait for a while longer, and maybe I will become a dev :)
[01:42] <eilker_> Jucato: i am the one dev/null :D
[01:42] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:42] <Jucato> oh, you forgot a / :P
[01:43] <eilker_> :))
[01:43] <Xera> hiho
[01:43] <rhainur> hm
[01:43] <rhainur> erm
[01:43] <rhainur> there seems to be something called a "915resolution patch"
[01:44] <rhainur> which ubuntu users have needed when installing it on the same laptop that I have
[01:44] <rhainur> so
[01:44] <rhainur> would kubuntu have a separate version of this patch?
[01:44] <HymnToLife> no
[01:45] <HymnToLife> !915resolution
[01:45] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 128 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:45] <HymnToLife> :o
[01:45] <rhainur> so...
[01:45] <rhainur> what do I do?
[01:45] <HymnToLife> they have an Ubuntu kFBSD too ?
[01:46] <BrianSteffens> could someone please check in their KMenu for the dvd ripping software?
[01:46] <BrianSteffens> and give me the name? :D
[01:46] <Xera> nothing there
[01:47] <Xera> only cd
[01:47] <BrianSteffens> :(
[01:47] <Xera> ;/
[01:47] <Jucato> k3b can't do it?
[01:47] <Jucato> !k9copy
[01:47] <ubotu> A good alternative to running DVDShrink with wine is k9copy; for Dapper it's available in Universe, and for Breezy it's available at this repository: deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib non-free
[01:47] <sgrover> there's KaudioCreator CD Ripper
[01:47] <HymnToLife> BrianSteffens, define "ripping" :)
[01:47] <ShadowDrakken> rhainur: sorry, looks like there's 2 different displays possible for that model, and Dell doesn't disclose the horz scan freq so noone else seems to have it either
[01:47] <sgrover> but not the same thing
[01:47] <sgrover> btw, you do know that DVDs are just a directory structure right?
[01:48] <BrianSteffens> i can't get repos.knio.it to load
[01:48] <BrianSteffens> i want the movie =D
[01:48] <JOSF> !boot
[01:48] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:49] <ShadowDrakken> sgrover: not quite true... also requires MPEG-4 encoding, can't just shove any video file or any codec on there and expect it to work
[01:50] <sgrover> ShadowDrakken, agreed, but when it comes to copying a DVD, you can just copy over the directory structure..
[01:50] <sgrover> but I'd rather use some decent tool to do it.  Manual work leaves lots of room for errors.
[01:50] <ShadowDrakken> sgrover: you sure? I'm pretty sure it requires a hidden boot sector too
[01:51] <ShadowDrakken> PC DVD will play it fine w/o the hidden part, but DVD player won't
[01:52] <sgrover> @ShadowDrakken - yep, but I'm not talking about just copying the files to another DVD.  I've copied the directory(s) from a DVD, and then burned them to a DVD with K3B.
[01:52] <sgrover> That DVD worked in my player downstairs..
[01:52] <_Snatch_> hello!
[01:52] <sgrover> but, to be honest, I'm not an authority of DVD ripping / burning (yet).
[01:53] <ShadowDrakken> I'm happy using utilities... much easier to throw out the parts you don't want so it'll fit... since the files aren't conveniently named
[01:54] <Xera> i used http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html to get my modem to work, but it's a pain having to reboot to reconnect(my internet drops every 24h) is there a script or something i can use to connect?
[01:55] <_Snatch_> can i have some help?
[01:55] <_Snatch_> in the terminal
[01:55] <_Snatch_> when i try to install software
[01:56] <_Snatch_> using the:     ./configure
[01:56] <_Snatch_> i says: Permission denied
[01:56] <Xera> chmod +x configure
[01:56] <_Snatch_> what can i do
[01:56] <Xera> chmod +x configure <<<
[01:56] <Xera> ;p
[01:56] <Xera> in the same dir as the configure script
[01:57] <_Snatch_> ok thanks
[01:57] <Xera> np
[01:58] <_Snatch_> hold on
[01:58] <Xera> mm
[01:58] <Xera> ?
[01:59] <_Snatch_> when i do the MAKE command, it says: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[01:59] <Xera> did you run the config script?
[01:59] <Xera> with no errors?
[01:59] <_Snatch_> yup
[01:59] <Jucato> _Snatch_: you need to perform the ./configure part successfully first
[01:59] <_Snatch_> ok
[01:59] <Xera> it should say config.status[makefile]  and a load of other stuff in the console
[01:59] <_Snatch_> ill retry
[02:00] <Jucato> or something like Good. blahblahblah. run make now"
[02:00] <Xera> ye
[02:01] <_Snatch_> nope it doesnt say anithin
[02:01] <Jucato> it just finishes? any error messages?
[02:01] <Xera> do run it and paste the output on http://pastebin.co.uk
[02:01] <_Snatch_> no error messages
[02:02] <Xera> is there any ouput at all? lol
[02:02] <sgrover> some make commands require a "target"  like "make install"
[02:02] <sgrover> edit the MakeFile file to see what targets you can try
[02:02] <Jucato> sgrover: after "make" is run.
[02:02] <Jucato> usually it's configure -> make -> make install
[02:03] <sgrover> yep - but his "make" isn't working.
[02:03] <Jucato> the first make (w/o install) will complain about having no target if configure didn't configure properly...
[02:03] <ShadowDrakken> ok, I think I finally got the distro CD loaded... how do I prepare the HDD to install kubuntu now? the docs don't say how, says the CD's supposed to have an installer, but it's not... just has me at the prompt
[02:03] <_Snatch_> i cant even configure it
[02:03] <Xera> _Snatch_: paste the output somewhere..
[02:04] <_Snatch_> eric@eric-laptop:~/Desktop/mldonkey-distrib-2.8.2$ chmod +x configure
[02:04] <_Snatch_> eric@eric-laptop:~/Desktop/mldonkey-distrib-2.8.2$ ./configure
[02:04] <_Snatch_> eric@eric-laptop:~/Desktop/mldonkey-distrib-2.8.2$
[02:04] <Xera> lol
[02:04] <Xera> dodgy script maybe?
[02:04] <Jucato> hm...
[02:04] <Xera> read the docs for it if there are any
[02:05] <Jucato> _Snatch_: you are in the same directory as the configure script, right?
[02:05] <rich4534> in menu.lst where do I add the framebuffer resolution?
[02:05] <Xera> it would say no such file/directory if he wasn't
[02:05] <Topsun> ShadowDrakken: do it manually with cfdisk :)
[02:05] <Xera> jamie@jamie:~$ ./configure
[02:05] <Xera> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[02:05] <Xera> ;p
[02:06] <Jucato> rich4534: I think together with the "ro quiet splash" options... not really sure
[02:06] <Topsun> rich4534: search for vga in yor menu.lst file
[02:06] <ShadowDrakken> loading up from the 6.10 CD iso, all I'm getting is the prompt "ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ "... how to I install it now? the graphical installer never came up
[02:07] <HymnToLife> !alternate | ShadowDrakken
[02:07] <Xera> cfdisk
[02:07] <ubotu> ShadowDrakken: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[02:07] <_Snatch_> i still cant install my software
[02:08] <ShadowDrakken> HymnToLife: "expert mode"? you think with the questions I'm asking, I'm an expert? awww, thanks
[02:08] <Jucato> ShadowDrakken: you'll only be able to reach the graphical installer if you were able to successfully login to a graphical desktop...
[02:08] <Xera> ShadowDrakken: download the livecd then
[02:08] <HymnToLife> ShadowDrakken, it's realy not that difficult
[02:08] <Xera> _Snatch_: paste the configure script in a pastebin then
[02:08] <HymnToLife> actually it's the same as the Live CD installer, but text based
[02:08] <ShadowDrakken> Xera: I'm using kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[02:09] <Topsun> o_O
[02:09] <rich4534> how do I edit menu.lst if its read only
[02:09] <Xera> ShadowDrakken: and you got no option for "Start or Install Kubuntu" or "Start or Install Kubuntu in safe graphics mode" ?
[02:09] <Topsun> rich4534: as root
[02:09] <ShadowDrakken> Xera: I'm past that, and now at the prompt
[02:10] <ShadowDrakken> I got the pretty Kubuntu in blue and the bouncing glowy thing.... took about an hour and finally gave me the prompt
[02:10] <Xera> ShadowDrakken: then the disc is corrupt
[02:10] <andreasw> hi
[02:10] <Xera> burn it at 4x
[02:10] <rich4534> how do I become root?
[02:10] <Xera> or as slow as you can
[02:10] <Xera> rich4534: su
[02:10] <_Snatch_> OMG!!!!!!!!!! Theres NO configure script!!!!!! its a BLANK DOCUMENT!!!!!XDDDDDDDDDDD
[02:10] <ShadowDrakken> Xera: cept the disc verification says 0 files failed checksum
[02:10] <Xera> _Snatch_: _._
[02:10] <HymnToLife> !sudo | rich4534
[02:10] <ubotu> rich4534: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:12] <Xera> ShadowDrakken: dunno then
[02:12] <Xera> tried download/reburning it anyway?
[02:12] <HymnToLife> ShadowDrakken, just try the alternate, it's realy not that difficult
[02:14] <rich4534> I get authentication failure when I try to run as root
[02:14] <ShadowDrakken> Dapper is what, 6.06? from what ppl say, it's next to impossible to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10... that wouldn't help me out... and there's no Alternate CD of 6.10 listed on the website
[02:15] <Xera> rich4534: try it with a blank password
[02:15] <Xera> now, may i get some help? :(
[02:15] <Xera> [12:54]  <Xera> i used http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html to get my modem to work, but it's a pain having to reboot to reconnect(my internet drops every 24h) is there a script or something i can use to connect?
[02:15] <HymnToLife> Xera, we don't use su in Ubuntu - by default at least
[02:15] <rich4534> didn't work
[02:15] <HymnToLife> !sudo | rich4534
[02:15] <ubotu> rich4534: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:16] <Xera> HymnToLife: huh? i've always used su
[02:16] <HymnToLife> Xera, then you set a root pw yourself
[02:16] <Xera> duh
[02:16] <HymnToLife> by default, su doesn't work in Ubuntu
[02:16] <Xera> root has no password after installing
[02:16] <Xera> you just have to set it
[02:16] <Xera> su -c "passwd"
[02:16] <HymnToLife> true
[02:17] <Jucato> :O
[02:17] <HymnToLife> but it's not an obvious thing for a newbie
[02:17] <Topsun> Xera: maybe you can automatically disconnect and reconnect with cron?
[02:17] <Xera> Topsun: except i have no script to connect
[02:17] <Xera> only the boot script
[02:17] <Xera> and that won't work when i'm already booted up
[02:18] <rich4534> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all
[02:18] <rich4534>           information.
[02:18] <rich4534> ooops
[02:18] <Topsun> Xera: how do you connect?
[02:18] <Xera> Topsun: it connects on boot with the script from that page
[02:21] <Topsun> Xera: pppd disconnect ?
[02:21] <rich4534> what do I type to edit menu.lst, I'm at boot/grub$
[02:22] <Xera> uh Topsun, dunno..
[02:22] <Topsun> then try :)
[02:22] <Topsun> pppd call speedtch -> to reconnect
[02:23] <Xera> ;o lol
[02:23] <Xera> now how do i disconnect?
[02:23] <Xera> ;p
[02:24] <Topsun> pppd disconnect
[02:24] <Topsun> rich4534: nano menu.lst
[02:25] <Topsun> Xera: of course you could also extend your bootscript for more convenience
[02:27] <Xera> Topsun: i know nothing about bash scripts
[02:27] <Xera> ;(
[02:29] <php-freak> somone help me, for some reason my kubuntu has been freezen in and out here latly, any one havee any idea why?
[02:29] <Xera> not without more info
[02:29] <rich4534> how do I navigagte nano
[02:30] <rich4534> says ^k and ^this and thazt
[02:30] <Xera> use the arrow keys
[02:30] <Xera> ctrl-o to write
[02:30] <kulbir> how to turn on num lock on kde startup?
[02:31] <andreasw> Do you know how much performance I lose if I fully encrypt my home partitionn + /var /tmp?
[02:31] <sivaji_2009> tell me the command to move one folder into other folder
[02:31] <Xera> mv folder1 folder2/
[02:32] <Xera> or is it
[02:32] <Xera> mv -r folder1 folder2/
[02:32] <andreasw> !mv | sivaji_2009
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <php-freak> can i degrag kubuntu?
[02:32] <andreasw> hmm ^^
[02:32] <php-freak> defrag it
[02:32] <sivaji_2009> hi andreasw
[02:32] <andreasw> no you can't
[02:32] <andreasw> sivaji_2009: hi
[02:32] <Topsun> there is no need to defrag a linux partition php-freak
[02:32] <rich4534> ok once I made the change in nano, how do I save it?
[02:32] <sivaji_2009> what i cant
[02:33] <andreasw> Topsun: well ok nobody knows whethere there is need because you can't view the fragmantation of an ext3 partition ;)
[02:33] <php-freak> whys it going slow for, and why you say no need to?
[02:33] <Topsun> rich4534: crtl+o
[02:33] <andreasw> whether
[02:34] <sivaji_2009> mv -r ./movies ./Example
[02:34] <sivaji_2009> mv: invalid option -- r
[02:34] <sivaji_2009> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[02:34] <Topsun> sivaji_2009: mv folder1 folder2
[02:35] <andreasw> php-freak: Linux partitions don't fragment as much as Windows partitions
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> which is source ? which is destination
[02:35] <Xera> source is folder1
[02:35] <Xera> dest is folder2
[02:35] <rich4534> once I press ctrl o, it's saved?
[02:35] <php-freak> I ssee
[02:35] <Xera> rich4534: no
[02:35] <php-freak> i wonder why applications are pausing in, and out
[02:35] <Xera> use your brain for this part
[02:36] <Topsun> sivaji_2009: for more info try 'man mv' ;)
[02:36] <php-freak> could be my cpu getting to hot, who knows. I got almost 2 gig of ram.
[02:36] <php-freak> only happen every great now and then with certain apps
[02:36] <sivaji_2009> i get too many commands if i use "man" that is y i came here
[02:36] <andreasw> php-freak: Have you ever used memtest86+ to check your ram?
[02:37] <Topsun> sivaji_2009: ok :)
[02:37] <andreasw> php-freak: Most freezes are caused by a defect ram
[02:38] <Topsun> andreasw: have you already tested encrypted partitions?
[02:38] <php-freak> no
[02:38] <kulbir> how to run programs on startup when login into kde?
[02:38] <php-freak> sure haven't
[02:38] <php-freak> when you say defect ram, not soo good of ram
[02:38] <ellipsis> hehe
[02:39] <php-freak> can i run memtest at the shell?
[02:39] <ellipsis> hurray for setting up linux.
[02:39] <ellipsis> every single time
[02:39] <rich4534> still says permission denied after nano
[02:39] <DedMaroz> happy new year
[02:39] <andreasw> Topsun: no I haven't but I will do in a view hours or days
[02:39] <ellipsis> there's always something that takes a bajillion hours of googling
[02:39] <andreasw> Topsun: Well I tested an ecrypted loop back device with AES256
[02:39] <ellipsis> it's hilarious
[02:39] <Topsun> rich4534: did you 'sudo nano menu.lst' ?
[02:39] <ellipsis> I get frustrated with windows
[02:39] <ellipsis> so I try and install linux
[02:39] <andreasw> Topsun: But now I want to fully encrypt my home, var and tmp partition
[02:39] <ellipsis> I get frustrated with linux install, so I go back to windows
[02:39] <Xera> bye
[02:39] <Xera> gtg
[02:39] <Xera> thanks for the help Topsun
[02:40] <andreasw> php-freak: you can only run it from the boot menu
[02:40] <andreasw> php-freak: when you start kubuntu you should see the menu item
[02:40] <php-freak> cool, how do i do that, I think I remember seeing something like that before
[02:40] <php-freak> k
[02:41] <php-freak> so will this tell me if my memory is bad?
[02:41] <Topsun> andreasw: not all things in home are worth encrypting it ^^
[02:41] <andreasw> Topsun: yes but is more difficult to find the things which are worth than just encyrpt the hole partition ;)
[02:41] <php-freak> plus everytime i try to drag something down to the bottom on the to another app say like a link, and i try to drag it down to fire fox to get the app to appear, my computer freezes up, didn't know if that was a kubuntu bug or not
[02:44] <andreasw> php-freak: yes it will
[02:44] <rich4534> still same stuff, I pressed ctrl o and enter and it still says I need permission
[02:44] <ellipsis> hm
[02:44] <ellipsis> okay
[02:45] <ellipsis> now can someone tell me how to mount an ntfs drive?
[02:45] <Topsun> rich4534: what ist the output of 'ls -l menu.lst' ?
[02:45] <php-freak> andreasw: Thanks man apperciate it, well I got to get back to coding user friendly php :)
[02:45] <Topsun> ellipsis: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winnt for example
[02:45] <ellipsis> ah
[02:45] <ellipsis> thank you
[02:47] <rich4534> says 4051 2007 01 01 *;43 menu.lst
[02:47] <ellipsis> hm
[02:47] <ellipsis> topsun?
[02:48] <ellipsis> when I try to browse to this folder, it says permission denied
[02:48] <ellipsis> D;
[02:48] <Topsun> rich4534: and that before 4559 ?
[02:48] <Topsun> ellipsis: which folder?
[02:49] <ellipsis> the folder /mnt/winnt
[02:49] <ellipsis> I created it
[02:49] <ellipsis> and mounted /dev/sda2, which is my main windows drive
[02:49] <ellipsis> but when I try to open it in Konqueror or Konsole, it says permission denied
[02:49] <Topsun> if you have no entry in fstab you have to mount as root
[02:50] <ellipsis> I did
[02:50] <ellipsis> sudo mount ...
[02:50] <Topsun> chmod o+r /mnt/winnt ?
[02:51] <ellipsis> chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt/winnt': Read-only file system
[02:51] <ellipsis> it still says permission denied
[02:52] <Topsun> hm, what is the right mask?
[02:53] <Topsun> ah hehe chmod o+x /mnt/winnt ;)
[02:53] <Topsun> r for access and x for reading directory contents
[02:53] <ellipsis> still denied
[02:53] <ellipsis> D;
[02:53] <ellipsis> hang on
[02:54] <ellipsis> I'm going to boot into windows
[02:54] <ellipsis> I need to check something
[02:54] <ellipsis> I have the very scary feeling I might have wiped my data partition
[03:00] <rhainur> yeeeeeeeeeeeah
[03:00] <rhainur> never mind about that mounting the ntfs drive
[03:00] <rhainur> as it turns out
[03:01] <rhainur> the drive that I wanted to mount.....I kinda messed up the partitioning and....wiped it out of existence
[03:01] <rhainur> xD
[03:01] <rhainur> w00t for me?
[03:01] <rhainur> I think yes.
[03:01] <Topsun> ok rhainur :)
[03:06] <skchang> hi! habe mir gestern kubuntu auf meinem laptop installiert und bin sehr begeistert. berlege gerade ob ich es auf meinem desktop pc (bisher gentoo) auch installieren soll
[03:06] <Jucato> !de
[03:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:09] <Tal> yo yo
[03:09] <Tal> anyone know how to find out the last thing you updated via adept?
[03:10] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi
[03:10] <FJ_Sanchez> I cannot get into my old WinXP Pro from grub... I get error 12
[03:11] <Tal> heh snap
[03:11] <Tal> you just downloaded something from adept right?
[03:11] <Tal> because i cant get in myself now.
[03:11] <Jucato> Tal: /var/log/dpkg.log lists the last activities from apt-get (which Adept uses)
[03:12] <FJ_Sanchez> When I installed kubuntu it didn't recognized my WinXP installation
[03:12] <Tal> ah ok nm then
[03:12] <FJ_Sanchez> I manually added this entry to the menu.lst
[03:12] <Tal> jucato?
[03:12] <FJ_Sanchez> But I cannot get it running
[03:12] <Tal> didnt work?
[03:12] <Schuenemann> doesn't GTK support coloring widgets?
[03:12] <Tal> i tried sudo /var/log/dpkg.log didnt work, or without the sudo.
[03:13] <Jucato> Tal: dpkg.log is a text file, not a command
[03:14] <Tal> oh lol i suck.
[03:14] <Tal> my bad
[03:14] <Jucato> Schuenemann: it does. it's actually the only thing you are doing when you are chaging "Themes" in GNOME.changing color schemes for widgets (afaik)
[03:14] <ubuntu> hi
[03:14] <Topsun> FJ_Sanchez: what did you add to menu.lst ?
[03:14] <FJ_Sanchez> root (hd0,5)
[03:14] <FJ_Sanchez> makeactive
[03:14] <FJ_Sanchez> chainloader +1
[03:15] <FJ_Sanchez> And I get Error 12: invalid device requested
[03:15] <Schuenemann> Jucato: I'm running some codes and I can't change the colors
[03:15] <Schuenemann> simply doesn't work
[03:15] <Tal> any idea which would of made a difference to grub?
[03:15] <Schuenemann> using java + swt
[03:15] <Tal> :o
[03:15] <Jucato> Schuenemann: hm.. wrong place to ask, though...
[03:16] <Jucato> Tal: updated the kernel?
[03:16] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: where is the windows partition located?
[03:16] <Tal> the only thing i have done to change anything is instal 9 updates via adept.
[03:16] <FJ_Sanchez> hda6
[03:16] <Schuenemann> Jucato: KDE uses GTK, right?
[03:16] <FJ_Sanchez> It's inside a logical partition
[03:17] <Jucato> Schuenemann: GNOME uses GTK
[03:17] <narasim_7> apart from the "Services" module in Kubuntu Control Center ... Can anyone point me to a good init.d editor
[03:17] <Schuenemann> what does KDE use?
[03:17] <narasim_7> ?
[03:17] <Jucato> Schuenemann: KDE uses Qt
[03:17] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: you're absolutely sure that it's on hda6?
[03:17] <Topsun> FJ_Sanchez: nt uses a primary to bootstrat so you must have another one
[03:18] <FJ_Sanchez> Topsun: what should I do...
[03:18] <Topsun> FJ_Sanchez: how did you start it before?
[03:18] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: ah... Windows always wants to be in hda1
[03:18] <FJ_Sanchez> When I installed Win it had another partition in first partitio but I deleted this one
[03:18] <Jucato> I forgot how to do it, but you have to sort of fool windows into thinking that it's on hda1
[03:19] <Topsun> FJ_Sanchez: then you have a problem :/
[03:19] <cntb> \o Jucato
[03:19] <FJ_Sanchez> Jucato: did you know where to look for?
[03:20] <Jucato> hold on... it has something to do with "map"...
[03:20] <cntb> know X reacts to  Ctrl +Alt + + ?
[03:20] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok, thanks
[03:20] <Jucato> cntb: Ctrl+Alt+F1 to F6 = tty 1 to 6
[03:20] <Tal> ok quicker way - might help - whats the command to show the grub commands? it was a text file if i remember correctly.
[03:21] <Jucato> Tal: the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <Tal> ty
[03:21] <Jucato> Tal: what exactly is the error btw?
[03:21] <Tal> well i didnt see one
[03:21] <cntb> question about xorg.conf and X functionality and quick resolution switch Ctrl-Alt-+
[03:21] <Tal> but when i start the machine
[03:21] <FJ_Sanchez> Error 12: Invalid device requested
[03:21] <Tal> i usually press escape and get a list of the things i can boot into
[03:21] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: um hold on :)
[03:22] <cntb> tal /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <Tal> (about 6ubuntu lines) and the bottom says windows XP
[03:22] <rhainur> hm
[03:22] <Tal> well i just updated via adept
[03:22] <rhainur> guys
[03:22] <Tal> and its gone. so i assume its that
[03:22] <Jucato> Tal: if you want to see the GRUB menu, comment/disable the hiddenmenu line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <cntb> tal sudo kate /boot/gub/menu.lst
[03:22] <cntb> tal sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <Jucato> Tal: in the updates, did you see updates for the kernel? linux-image-blahblah?
[03:22] <rhainur> ...
[03:22] <Jucato> cntb: use kdesu please
[03:22] <rhainur> wtf
[03:22] <rhainur> completely forgot what I was going to ask
[03:23] <rhainur> * whacks brain a few times *
[03:23] <cntb> Jucato: right
[03:23] <Topsun> FJ_Sanchez: perhaps rootnoverify (hd0,5) helps ?
[03:23] <Tal> 2007-01-01 13:21:08 upgrade linux-image-2.6.15-27-386 2.6.15-27.48 2.6.15-27.50
[03:23] <rhainur> ah
[03:23] <rhainur> yeah
[03:23] <Tal> that line?
[03:23] <cntb> Jucato:  seen my Q. ?above
[03:23] <rhainur> erm
[03:23] <rhainur> is there a setting I can change to make KDE respond to double clicks rather than single clicks?
[03:23] <Jucato> Tal: yes
[03:23] <cntb> question about xorg.conf and X functionality and quick resolution switch Ctrl-Alt-+
[03:24] <Jucato> Tal: so your kernel was upgraded
[03:24] <Jucato> cntb: yeah saw the Q... don't know the A
[03:24] <Tal> ah ok, and it screwed up my boot loader thingy right
[03:24] <FJ_Sanchez> Topsun: I'll try
[03:24] <Topsun> FJ_Sanchez: wait
[03:24] <Schuenemann> rhainur: K > system settings > mouse
[03:24] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: you might also need to insert these 2 lines after the "title Windows..." line
[03:24] <cntb> on one system I still have Ctrl-Alt-+ functionality. Here Iwant that too Jucato
[03:24] <Topsun> there is also the map command as Jucato said
[03:25] <FJ_Sanchez> The noverify options doesn't work
[03:25] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: map (hd0,0) (hd0,5) and (on another line) map (hd0,5) (hd0,0)
[03:25] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok, I'll try this now
[03:25] <rhainur> thanks :D
[03:25] <FJ_Sanchez> befoer root (hd0,5)?
[03:25] <rhainur> erm
[03:25] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: put the rootnoverify that Topsun gave after the second map line and above the chainloader line
[03:26] <rhainur> just a suggestion, but wouldn't it be more intuitive to put this under appearance?
[03:26] <Jucato> !pastebin
[03:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:26] <Jucato> rhainur: what?
[03:26] <FJ_Sanchez> Give me the URL
[03:26] <Tal> ok think i found the bit i need to play around with
[03:26] <Tal> title		Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[03:26] <Tal> # root		(hd0,0)
[03:26] <Tal> # makeactive
[03:26] <Tal> # chainloader	+1
[03:27] <Jucato> Tal: use pastebin next time
[03:27] <Tal> sorry
[03:27] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/108/ something like this
[03:27] <FJ_Sanchez> thx
[03:27] <Jucato> I'm not sure if you still need the makeactive line
[03:27] <Tal> i need to remove astrix and change hd0.0 to hda,1 ?
[03:27] <Tal> remove that then too?
[03:27] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: oops... turn the rootnoverify (hd0,3) to (hd0,5)
[03:28] <Jucato> Tal: what for?
[03:28] <Tal> dunno i making things up i think.
[03:28] <Tal> just add them lines in without # then?
[03:28] <Jucato> rhainur: oh, that.. now, it has nothing to do with appearances, but more to do with how your mouse behaves :)
[03:28] <Jucato> Tal: to do what?
[03:28] <Jucato> Tal: what are you trying to do?
[03:29] <Tal> i want to be able to boot into windows at startup
[03:29] <Tal> press esc then be able to select either kubuntu or windows
[03:29] <FJ_Sanchez> Jucato: I don't need makeactive?
[03:30] <Jucato> Tal: all you need to do is to change the "default 0" line into "default #"
[03:30] <Tal> where?
[03:30] <Jucato> # = the # of Windows entry (count how many entries there are starting from the first "title" line
[03:30] <rhainur> well, jucato, technically it's more about the interface than it is about the device
[03:30] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: not really sure. try without it first
[03:31] <FJ_Sanchez> Without this Iget Starting up... msg and nothing happens
[03:31] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: ok, try adding it before chainloader
[03:31] <lord_ceiphas> hi folks
[03:32] <Tal> :O
[03:32] <Jucato> rhainur: device and interface. but less to do with themes/appearance
[03:32] <Jucato> bottom line: it doesn't belong in "appearance"
[03:32] <lord_ceiphas> got a bit of a problem to get my kubuntu edgy (with selfcompiled kernel 2.6.19.1) to recognize, that my mouse has 12 buttons, not 9
[03:33] <Tal> ok Jucato : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/109/
[03:33] <FJ_Sanchez> Jucato: with makeactive still getting error 12
[03:33] <Tal> thats the menu.lst
[03:33] <lord_ceiphas> if i put the "buttons" in the xorg.conf and run xmodmap afterwards, i get a message "only updating first 9 of 12
[03:34] <Tal> what do i need to change.
[03:34] <rich4534> anyone know how to match the resolution of the pc to that of the startup splash screens..when kubuntu loads
[03:34] <Topsun> rich4534: does the vga command not work?
[03:35] <Jucato> Tal: where's the Windows entry? I thought you wanted to boot into Windows first?
[03:35] <Jucato> Tal, and afaik, you can't boot into Windows, then press Esc to choose to boot into Windows or Kubuntu
[03:35] <rich4534> it looks like this
[03:35] <lord_ceiphas> got a similar problem here... after booting kubuntu and starting x, the monitor goes of (wrong sync) if i switch to vt1 and then back to vt7 it works...
[03:36] <Jucato> Tal: I think what you're trying to do is to see the GRUB menu at startup, right?
[03:36] <rich4534> ## e.g defoptions=vga=798 resume=/dev/hda5
[03:36] <Jucato> Tal: in line 23, change "hiddenmenu" to "#hiddenmenu"
[03:36] <Tal> well i can see it. but there is no entry for the windows
[03:36] <Tal> my windows installation is on a different Harddrive
[03:36] <Tal> they are slaved.
[03:37] <Tal> before this update i could select windows in the grub menu thingy
[03:37] <Jucato> hm... but before the upgrade, there's a Windows entry?
[03:37] <Tal> now its gone.
[03:37] <Tal> yes.
[03:37] <Tal> im almost certain that i added an entry to the bottom of the menu.lst file
[03:37] <Jucato> Tal: did you put the Windows entry above this line? "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"
[03:37] <Tal> yes i think i did
[03:37] <Jucato> because if you did, then that's the problem
[03:38] <Tal> but it worked got almost a year?
[03:38] <Tal> so why has it changed
[03:38] <Tal> for*
[03:38] <Jucato> Tal: anything above that line gets rewritten whenever you upgrade kernels
[03:38] <Tal> :o
[03:38] <lord_ceiphas> have you used "update-grub"?
[03:38] <Jucato> that's the AUTOMAGIC kernels list...
[03:38] <Tal> i used adept.
[03:38] <cntb> anyone managed to do saned ? snanner networking ?
[03:38] <cntb> *scanner
[03:39] <cntb> tal gotta have a backup of this file to start anew
[03:40] <Topsun> rich4534: you have to add 'vga=791' to the line below
[03:40] <Tal> got one :)
[03:40] <Jucato> Tal: basically, you have to manually make the Windows entry *below* that line
[03:40] <Tal> thats what im after Jucato
[03:40] <Tal> :P
[03:40] <lord_ceiphas> topsun, how do i get to this value?
[03:40] <Topsun> # defoptions=quiet splash vga=791
[03:40] <Topsun> which value?
[03:40] <Tal> you know what the entry is?
[03:40] <lord_ceiphas> 791
[03:40] <rich4534> 798
[03:40] <Jucato> Tal: make sure that the "root (hdx,x)" value points to the correct partition
[03:41] <Jucato> Tal: the one you flooded the channel with, minus the #'s :)
[03:41] <lord_ceiphas> this value is dependant of resolution and graphics card
[03:41] <cntb> also you can backup bad menu.lst rename it at create new one thru grub-install Ithink
[03:41] <Tal> ok, and which partition is that?
[03:41] <cntb> Right Jucato?
[03:41] <Topsun> search for the value, it sets the resolution
[03:41] <Jucato> Tal: er.. don't you remember?
[03:41] <Tal> remember that the windows is on a different hd?
[03:41] <lord_ceiphas> yeah, but how do i get a list of possibnle values?
[03:41] <Tal> not reall
[03:41] <Tal> really
[03:41] <Topsun> lord_ceiphas: used the example
[03:41] <Jucato> hm...
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Jucato: I'll try more later
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Now I've to go
[03:42] <php-freak> amazing how fast linux still runs while burning a cd
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> thanks anyway
[03:42] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: no luck yet?
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Not
[03:42] <Topsun> lord_ceiphas: dont know, youu have to know, what your monitor can display :/
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> With makeactive get error 12
[03:42] <Jucato> :(
[03:42] <cntb> i f he does not understand why not rescue re-create boot with altrnateCD? tal?
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> And with the other one cannot boot
[03:42] <lord_ceiphas> but what means 791 or 798?
[03:42] <Tal> i tell you what, brb
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> I think I deleted the boot of WinXP
[03:42] <Tal> let me try this.
[03:42] <FJ_Sanchez> And I'd have to restore it anyway
[03:43] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: hm..
[03:43] <lord_ceiphas>  i have a problem to teach my edgy eft that my mouse has 12 buttons, not only 9
[03:43] <FJ_Sanchez> I have the data but I think I overwrite the WinXp boot enviroment
[03:43] <FJ_Sanchez> or something like this
[03:43] <Mouse> arg, i can see this nick is going to be a bit of a problem
[03:43] <Jucato> cntb: right. although all he needs is to add the Windows entry... and remember where Windows is...
[03:44] <Tal> grr wont let me save it
[03:44] <lord_ceiphas> lol
[03:44] <lord_ceiphas> muse?
[03:44] <cntb> << df -h >> tal will let you find windows's partition
[03:44] <Topsun> lord_ceiphas: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html
[03:44] <lord_ceiphas> mouse?
[03:44] <Jucato> Tal:  you need to be root to do that. "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[03:44] <Tal> k
[03:45] <Mouse> everytime somebody says "mouse" my chat window comes up
[03:45] <Jucato> cntb: how? it only lists the mount points and disk usage, not the filesystem type
[03:45] <cntb> troll
[03:45] <cntb> troll again
[03:46] <Jucato> not exactly
[03:46] <Tal> brb
[03:49] <php-freak> i just burned a cd, and the data is tooken up on the cd, but i don't see the files?
[03:50] <Tal> ok back
[03:50] <Tal> i got an error msg but the entry was there
[03:50] <Tal> what was the command someone pasted to find out where the windows is?
[03:51] <Schuenemann> fstab?
[03:51] <Topsun> would suggest grub :)
[03:51] <Jucato> Tal: it's Windows XP, right?
[03:51] <Tal> yah
[03:51] <Tal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/110/
[03:51] <Tal> thats what i got so far.
[03:52] <Tal> i think the problem is the hd0,0
[03:52] <Tal> it could be hd0,1 ?
[03:52] <Jucato> Tal: do you at least know if it's hda or hdb?
[03:52] <Jucato> (or hdc, etc)
[03:52] <Topsun> Tal: enter grub console with 'grub' and there try 'root (hd0,' and then press tab
[03:52] <Tal> enter grub console how?
[03:52] <Jucato> Topsun: hmm...???
[03:53] <Topsun> Tal: 'grub'
[03:53] <Jucato> er... what exactly are you trying to do Topsun?
[03:53] <Topsun> find the right partition?
[03:53] <php-freak> any one ever had cd burning problems?
[03:53] <rhainur> hm
[03:54] <rhainur> is there any way to open a terminal pointing to the current location in konqueror?
[03:54] <paulw_vm> Tal: were you thinking:  fdisk -l  ?
[03:54] <Jucato> rhainur: press F4
[03:54] <Tal> mm?
[03:54] <Tal> i typed grub
[03:54] <Tal> but got unrecognised string
[03:54] <php-freak> how do i burn files that are in tthe root?
[03:54] <Jucato> Tal: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda or sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[03:54] <Topsun> Tal: are you root?
[03:54] <paulw_vm> Tal: that will list all partitions to identify where windows is
[03:55] <rhainur> thanks
[03:55] <domi> hi everyone!
[03:55] <Jucato> Tal: look for the line that has NTFS
[03:55] <Tal> ok think its hdb
[03:55] <Tal> yeah did that
[03:55] <Tal> hdb
[03:55] <Tal> hdb1
[03:55] <domi> with ntfsmount, i mounted a ntfs drive and then did
[03:55] <domi> mkfs.ext3 /media/ntfs/Dominik/domi_bkp.ext3
[03:55] <Tal> ok so now i know its hdb1...
[03:56] <Jucato> Tal: that would be hd1,0 for menu.lst
[03:56] <Tal> ty i try that
[03:56] <domi> so now this should contain a valid ext3 fs, right?
[03:56] <domi> mount -t ext3 -o loop /media/ntfs/Dominik/domi_bkp.ext3 /media/backup/
[03:56] <domi> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[03:56] <Tal> brb :o
[03:56] <domi> dmesg only tells me "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev loop0"
[03:57] <domi> how can that be and - more important :-) - how can i fix that?
[03:58] <adaptr> domi:  does the file in fact contain a valid ext3 filesystem ?
[03:58] <domi> adaptr: i just created one (see above)
[03:59] <adaptr> domi: what do you mean, on the mounted loopback file ? then it could never give you that error - and probably no, as it's on a NTFS partition
[04:00] <domi> adaptr: i did a successful mkfs.ext3 and then mount fails
[04:01] <oliver_> hallo
[04:01] <adaptr> domi: succesful how ? did you use -vvvvv-as-much-as-possible-vvV-extra-V-to-the-MAX-VVV on mke2fs ?
[04:01] <oliver_> frohes neues
[04:01] <Tal> ok got an error message
[04:01] <Tal> root (hd1,0)
[04:01] <Tal> filesystem type unkown, partition type 0x7
[04:02] <Tal> then i got the makeactive chainloader +1 underneath
[04:02] <Tal> and it just hung? any ideas?
[04:02] <domi> adaptr: well, without error means that there was no error, also nothing in dmesg
[04:03] <Tal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/111/
[04:03] <adaptr> domi: so try running the same command in verbose/debug mode
[04:03] <Tal> thats what i got so far
[04:03] <Tal> Jucato
[04:03] <domi> adaptr: "mkfs.ext3 -v /media/ntfs/Dominik/domi_bkp.ext3" also doesn't give much more information
[04:04] <domi> actually, nothing more at all :-)
[04:04] <adaptr> Tal: what is your disk layout ?
[04:04] <Tal> explain?
[04:04] <adaptr> domi: and creating the same on the normal filesystem does work ?
[04:05] <Jucato> Tal: can you pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb" ?
[04:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :) !
[04:05] <Tal> sure
[04:05] <adaptr> Tal: ^^^^
[04:05] <RealisticDragon> afternoon :)
[04:05] <BluesKaj> morning :)
[04:05] <php-freak> man every time i burn a cd the files are said there on there, but when i view the dirve I can't see the files?
[04:05] <php-freak> whats going on?
[04:06] <RealisticDragon> how old is your CD reader?
[04:06] <php-freak> lol thats not it
[04:06] <Tal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/112/
[04:06] <php-freak> if i go to the terminal it shows the files
[04:06] <RealisticDragon> some very old ones cant recognise multisession disks :)
[04:06] <RealisticDragon> oh
[04:06] <RealisticDragon> then thats odd
[04:06] <RealisticDragon> it works in a different machine?
[04:06] <php-freak> yea shows them fine in the terminal
[04:07] <domi> adaptr: everything works as intended when using the local hd
[04:07] <php-freak> uhh haven't tried another machine
[04:07] <Jucato> Tal: I think your experiencing a similar problem like FJ earlier. basiically, XP wants to be in in hd0,0... so you need to use "map" instructions
[04:07] <RealisticDragon> if they show up in the terminal and not in konqueror... you have a very interesting bug :)
[04:07] <adaptr> domi: and googling for possible incompatibilities with NTFS when trying this trick ?
[04:08] <Jucato> Tal: try to insert "map (hd0) (hd1)" and "map (hd1) (hd0)" above the makedefault line
[04:08] <Jucato> Tal: those are two separate lines
[04:08] <Jucato> Tal: and remove the root (hd1,0) line
[04:09] <Tal> k
[04:09] <Tal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/113/
[04:10] <lord_ceiphas>  i have a problem to teach my edgy eft that my mouse has 12 buttons, not only 9
[04:10] <Tal> like that?
[04:11] <Tal> ill try it
[04:11] <Tal> brb
[04:11] <rhainur> argh
[04:12] <rhainur> why the fuck is sound not working
[04:12] <domi> adaptr: that way of doing things seems poorly documented
[04:12] <adaptr> domi: any particular reason it must be on NTFS ? I
[04:12] <adaptr> 'd try it on a small FAT partition
[04:13] <john1987> rhainur:type alsamixer in terminal
[04:13] <domi> adaptr: there is important data on that disk and i don't want to play around with repartitioning
[04:13] <rhainur> and?
[04:13] <adaptr> domi: and what you want to use the loopback drive for is too large to put on your Ubuntu partition(s)?
[04:14] <domi> adaptr: backup :-)
[04:14] <john1987> enable all in there by presing "M"
[04:14] <rhainur> my friend.
[04:14] <rhainur> I am eternally indebted to you.
[04:15] <rhainur> it WORKS.
[04:15] <rhainur> * spontaneously ejaculates *
[04:15] <adaptr> ieeew
[04:15] <Jucato> !language | rhainur
[04:15] <ubotu> rhainur: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:15] <rhainur> >_>
[04:15] <rhainur> okay
[04:15] <rhainur> just....an outburst of joy.
[04:16] <Jucato> you have a weird way of celebrating :)
[04:16] <rhainur> haha
[04:16] <rhainur> nah
[04:16] <rhainur> it's just....it finally works!
[04:17] <Tal> ok error
[04:17] <Jucato> Tal: what error?
[04:17] <Tal> Error 13: invalid or unsupported exec format
[04:17] <rhainur> now I just need to downlo^H^H^H^H^H^H buy the music that I lost when I wiped my data partition by mistake
[04:17] <domi> adaptr: i now tried to create that file on my local disk and then copied it over to ntfs disk
[04:17] <Jucato> Tal.. hm...
[04:17] <domi> adaptr: so i can assume that there were no errors while creating the ext3 fs
[04:18] <Jucato> Tal: I'm not sure anymore what else to do...
[04:18] <Tal> :o
[04:19] <Tal> well i put the command above the end statement before
[04:19] <Tal> would that make a difference
[04:19] <BluesKaj> devede sometimes doesn't convert avi files with proper sound ...very distorted and noisy...works ok with nero in windoze...any suggestions ?
[04:19] <lord_ceiphas>  i have a problem to teach my edgy eft that my mouse has 12 buttons, not only 9
[04:19] <adaptr> domi: I am not up to speed with al the intricacies of the NTFS implementation on Linux... I do know that it has been accepted knowledge that it simply does not work 100% guaranteed
[04:20] <domi> adaptr: what i just wrote, worked; i copied over the file and can mount it finely via loop device
[04:20] <adaptr> domi: okay, so it's solved then ? you can now write to it ?
[04:21] <domi> adaptr: seems so
[04:21] <Tal> Jucato:
[04:21] <adaptr> domi: chalk it up to weird stuff :)
[04:21] <Tal> whats the command to uninstal recent instalations?
[04:22] <Tal> if i can rollback to before today everything was ok?
[04:22] <Jucato> Tal: hm... that won't do anything to return your previous Windows entry...
[04:22] <zerozero> apt-get remove
[04:23] <rich4534> what are the advantages of Edgy over dapper?
[04:24] <Tal> why wont it?
[04:24] <Tal> i tell you what
[04:24] <eMaX> hi all
[04:24] <Tal> im gonna try the preveious entry above the end line, see what happens
[04:24] <eMaX> what's wrong if on ubuntu, an apt-get update hangs at 99% [Waiting for header...] 
[04:26] <D_Cent> hi
[04:26] <D_Cent> i need some help: i hab suse linux before and now i am using kubuntu. my first problem is: i have 2 soundcards. how can i select one?
[04:31] <knappfarm1> 285 ppl no one talking
[04:32] <RealisticDragon> waiting for questions i can answer ;P
[04:32] <knappfarm1> k
[04:33] <Topsun> RealisticDragon: why cant Tal boot his winnt? ^^
[04:33] <RealisticDragon> im not sure im afraid, i havent maintained any windows machines in years :/
[04:35] <Topsun> ah you didnt read, its of course a grub problem ;)
[04:36] <RealisticDragon> no grub either :P ppc uses yaboot
[04:36] <RealisticDragon> im *the* guy who uses kubuntu ppc ;)
[04:36] <RealisticDragon> well, there are two of us... the other one is the developer :P
[04:36] <Topsun> hehe
[04:37] <knappfarm1> what ppc you use ?
[04:37] <RealisticDragon> i have a 15" g4 powerbook :o
[04:37] <knappfarm1> I have an older imac i was thinking about trying
[04:37] <RealisticDragon> until after macworld... depending on what comes out i might get a new macbook pro... the hardware is very nice, and runs linux pretty well :)
[04:38] <RealisticDragon> theres some powerbook stuff here for kubuntu that will also work with ibooks (http://www.revis.co.uk/site/?q=node/24)
[04:38] <knappfarm1> cool
[04:39] <StingRay> Hi. I am logged remotely via pts. How can I send a message to the kde logged user?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> Sister has a 4yr old Imac , came with internet explorer for mac ..which freezes on certain sites ...i suggested safari , but will it run on OS9x?
[04:40] <RealisticDragon> on a machine that old id mostly suggest new hardware :o
[04:40] <RealisticDragon> safari will be too slow
[04:40] <RealisticDragon> an old version of opera is the best bet ifshe doesnt want to replace it
[04:40] <knappfarm1> agreed
[04:41] <kraut> moin
[04:41] <Topsun> StingRay: perhaps you can put a file on the desktop?
[04:42] <StingRay> :) Topsun. Isn't there really a net send alternative?
[04:42] <Tal> well i cant get it to work.
[04:42] <Tal> Jucato, cant i just rollback the kernel? if so how do i do it.
[04:43] <Topsun> Tal: did you also used rootnoverify after adding the map command?
[04:43] <Topsun> StingRay: only if the other one is on console too
[04:44] <StingRay> Topsun, can you tell me the command just in case.
[04:44] <Topsun> an allowed it
[04:45] <Tal> padon?
[04:45] <Tal> pardon
[04:45] <Tal> i removed the root line
[04:46] <Topsun> StingRay: with 'write'
[04:46] <StingRay> Thank you, Topsun.
[04:46] <Topsun> Tal: may you try the previous configuration with rootnoverify?
[04:47] <Tal> huh? im a relative n00b
[04:47] <Tal> so be gentle.
[04:48] <Topsun> Tal: have i said something wrong?
[04:50] <Tal> no i just didnt understand :P
[04:50] <Topsun> ah ok
[04:50] <Tal> what you want me to do?
[04:51] <Topsun> Tal: add 'rootnoverify (hd0,0)' after the last map entry
[04:51] <Tal> ok i need the previous commands again
[04:51] <Tal> the map ones please
[04:52] <Topsun> map (hd0) (hd1)
[04:52] <wimpies> My kwallet does not autostart ... what might cause that ?
[04:52] <Topsun> map (hd1) (hd0)
[04:52] <john1987> you can change boot device from bios
[04:52] <Tal> ty
[04:53] <john1987> windows and linux are installed on differnt hdd?
[04:53] <Topsun> yes
[04:53] <john1987> bios
[04:53] <john1987> and boot device
[04:53] <john1987> change the order
[04:53] <john1987> dual boot from bios:P
[04:54] <Topsun> hm, possible but inconvenient ^^
[04:54] <Tal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/118/
[04:54] <Tal> like that?
[04:55] <Tal> well ill try it anyways, bbiab
[04:55] <Topsun> Tal: mom
[04:55] <Topsun> i forgot one
[04:55] <Tal> ?
[04:55] <Tal> ah ok
[04:55] <Topsun> change chainloader (hd1,0)+1
[04:56] <Tal> ok trying now.
[04:56] <Topsun> ok
[05:04] <Tal> it worked :)
[05:04] <Tal> thought i would let you know :)
[05:04] <Tal> thanks for all the help guys, Jucato and Topsun
[05:04] <Topsun> great Tal :)
[05:16] <jerp> I want to install an i386 system in a partition.   Is there a command I can make in the current x86_64 system, that will bypass my bios (avoiding the hard re-boot) and take me straight to Grub to load that i386 kernel?
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> i think you can set a next_reboot thing with grub... is there nothing in the documentation?
[05:17] <jerp> RealisticDragon: honestly I've not done anything yet, I just gathering information
[05:18] <jerp> I'm
[05:18] <intelikey> jerp assuming that the kernel supports it i think you just enter grub and boot the new kernel.   but it's not really much better than a full reset.
[05:19] <jerp> how would I get into grub?
[05:19] <adaptr> jerp: you have to switch the current kernel with the new one, so without rebooting the only option is to run the i386 kernel in UML
[05:19] <intelikey> grub
[05:20] <jerp> !UML
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about UML - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <jerp> what's UML
[05:21] <intelikey> akin to xml or html ?
[05:21] <intelikey> wikipidia
[05:21] <Jucato> Unified Modeling Language
[05:22] <Jucato> it's more of a diagramming/visual system/language for graphically presenting system analysis/design
[05:25] <intelikey> are thinkpad's *nix friendly ?
[05:26] <intelikey> tr -d '
[05:27] <jerp> Wikipedia wants me to donate $827,889.53
[05:34] <sivaji_2009> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:35] <sivaji_2009> how to handle this
[05:35] <intelikey> let me venture a guess... ah try what it said ?
[05:36] <intelikey> like maybe     sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:36] <sivaji_2009> ya u r correct
[05:37] <jerp> sivaji_2009:  He's tha man!
[05:38] <aloyarc> is there a free legal implentation of dvd read software for linux ?
[05:38] <aloyarc> or even a pay implentation of dvd read software ?
[05:38] <aloyarc> s/implentation/implemenation
[05:38] <sivaji_2009> what is the diff b/w  apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[05:38] <intelikey> !dvd
[05:38] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:39] <jerp> update gets the info to upgrade
[05:39] <intelikey> update updates the database of packages upgrade updates the applications installed
[05:39] <jerp> update asks for upgrades
[05:39] <intelikey> dist-upgrade updates the entire system.
[05:40] <sivaji_2009> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of clamav-freshclam:
[05:40] <sivaji_2009>  clamav-freshclam depends on clamav-base (= 0.88.4-1ubuntu1~dapper1); however:
[05:40] <sivaji_2009>   Package clamav-base is not configured yet.
[05:40] <sivaji_2009> dpkg: error processing clamav-freshclam (--configure):
[05:40] <sivaji_2009>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:40] <Tesla> folks, please give me a tip how to get other language in KDE than english. afaik its a known bug with missplaced lang-pack
[05:41] <intelikey> apt-cache search kde | grep language
[05:41] <intelikey> tip ^
[05:42] <Tesla> thanks. and what should i do with the output?
[05:43] <aloyarc> libdvdcss is not really legally free in the usa as i understand it
[05:43] <sivaji_2009> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of clamav-freshclam:
[05:43] <sivaji_2009>  clamav-freshclam depends on clamav-base (= 0.88.4-1ubuntu1~dapper1); however:
[05:43] <sivaji_2009>   Package clamav-base is not configured yet.
[05:43] <sivaji_2009> dpkg: error processing clamav-freshclam (--configure):
[05:43] <sivaji_2009>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:45] <sivaji_2009> how to handle dependency peoblem
[05:45] <sivaji_2009> dependency peoblem
[05:45] <john1987> apt-get -f install
[05:45] <intelikey> what was the error that kept clamav-base from configuring propperly.    address that issue the other will handle it's self.
[05:45] <BluesKaj> clamav is buggy in my experience ...keeps telling me to upgrade to the new version , which it is already. I got tired of the error messages it generates so i dumped it
[05:46] <john1987> if you want to keep installing clamav
[05:47] <intelikey> john1987 you think that will fix the config error ?
[05:47] <dimsuz> hi! I've done apt-get upgrade, xorg is being upgraded and during configuration it throws me an "debconf" window with error message for every x-related package... is this a known bug?
[05:47] <intelikey> !bug
[05:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:48] <dimsuz> the error is "Incorrect nice value"
[05:48] <intelikey> you can look there ^ for mention of it.
[05:48] <dimsuz> intelikey: yes, I know. I just hoped to find a quick-fix answer here :)
 the error is "Incorrect nice value" <<<  that looks like a clue  :)
[05:49] <dimsuz> as i think xorg packages are important and a lot of users have already installed it... so this maybe a common problem
[05:49] <dimsuz> intelikey: yes, likely this is an error in deb package. but i'm not sure
[05:49] <BluesKaj> dimsuz, maybe you do this ..reconfigging xserver-xorg... " sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ". It worked for me .
[05:50] <mauro> Happy new year everyone :)
[05:50] <BluesKaj> happy new yr mauro
[05:50] <dimsuz> BluesKaj: one moment i'll try :). btw, apt said that xserver-xorg has been kept back...
[05:50] <jjlee> I just did a sudo aptitude purge mysql-server , but I still have mysqld binary, /etc/init.d scripts and rc?.d symlinks -- why?
[05:50] <jjlee> happy new year
[05:51] <sivaji_2009> same to u jjlee
[05:51] <jjlee> anybody somewhere warm?  pretty windy and chilly in UK
[05:52] <sivaji_2009> sweat hot india
[05:52] <soulrider> there, back to ym old nick BluesKaj
[05:52] <soulrider> :P
[05:52] <BluesKaj> rainy and 5C in Northern Ontario Canada, no snow ...kinda unreal actually
[05:52] <soulrider> its 34 here :P
[05:52] <intelikey> jjlee for Q in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list ;do grep sql ;done     should show you what installed it.
[05:53] <BluesKaj> hey soulrider
[05:53] <jjlee> BluesKaj: snow is nice :-)
[05:53] <soulrider> hes BluesKaj
[05:53] <BluesKaj> we had some for 2 days
[05:53] <soulrider> we dont get snow down here
[05:53] <jjlee> BluesKaj: I guess until you have to put up with it 3 months a year it's nice anyway ;-)
[05:54] <intelikey> or 6 months
[05:54] <soulrider> i hate cold
[05:55] <intelikey> i don't like it cold
[05:55] <intelikey> and i don't like it hot
[05:55] <BluesKaj> it's jan , we use snow for fun outdoor activities , like skiing, snowmobiling and ice on the lakes for skating ...can't do any of that this yr :(
[05:55] <intelikey> and it never seems to be in between
[05:55] <soulrider> lol intelikey indeed
[05:55] <BluesKaj> I hate grey/brown winters ...useless
[05:56] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I agree, if it's going to be frozen and ugly outside, there should at least be snow ;)
[05:56] <BluesKaj> yup , absolutely dwidmann
[05:57] <BluesKaj> snow makes it look nice at least :)
[05:57] <BluesKaj> we're used to the snow and what you guys consider cold ... hate the heat tho
[05:57] <intelikey> BluesKaj you've not seem much of the more southern (mud snow) have you ?
[05:58] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: where is we?
[05:59] <BluesKaj> Northern Ontario, Canada...about the same latitude as northern michigan ..aamof, it's 160 mi west of me
[05:59] <draik> How do I check my hdd so that I can repair any broken blocks?
[06:00] <jjlee> intelikey: not surprisingly, /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.list lists /usr/sbin/mysqld ... is that list file supposed to be there after purge??
[06:00] <intelikey> snow that is white when it falls but within an hour is a mixed slushy muddy mess that then freezs to ice   and looks like jack frost puked beside the road.
[06:00] <BluesKaj> intelikey, yup seen that
[06:00] <dimsuz> and what is the procedure to follow if I want to suggest to upgrade package to new version in edgy? E.g. cmake 2.4.3 to cmake 2.4.5. I should file a bug? Is this kind of wish at all possible? :-)
[06:00] <soulrider> GOD, im SO bored!
[06:00] <dwidmann> frozen roads + hills + runner sleds = fun? sure, why not
[06:01] <dwidmann> soulrider: I hear sleep is the latest cure for boredom
[06:01] <fdoving> dimsuz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports -> How to request new packages
[06:01] <intelikey> jjlee i don't think so.    try sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server       and if it doesn't error check again.
[06:02] <soulrider> dwidmann: its 3 pm, and i just woke up
[06:02] <dimsuz> BluesKaj: I found solution on forums, btw. It's 'sudo dpkg reconfigure debconf'
[06:02] <jjlee> I had been told that one is not supposed to use apt-get if one is using aptitude
[06:02] <dimsuz> fdoving: ah, thanks!
[06:02] <BluesKaj> tried to convert an avi file with devede yesterday and the audio was distorted and very noisy ... wonder if there is another video converter out there that works better.
[06:03] <dwidmann> jjlee: for ultimate copy & pastability, put this line in your .bashrc - alias apt-get = aptitude :)
[06:03] <rich321> Is it worth upgrading to Edgy yet?
[06:03] <BluesKaj> ok thx, dimsuz
[06:03] <dimsuz> BluesKaj: thanks to you :)
[06:03] <intelikey> dwidmann ?
[06:03] <dwidmann> rich321: edgy is pretty much the same as it was at release, with a few minor changes
[06:04] <draik> How do I fix bad blocks on my hdd?
[06:04] <intelikey> why ?      one can type 'aptitude'  almost as well as 'apt-get' ......
[06:04] <jjlee> OK I see (a bit) what happened: mysql-server is virtual and purged mysql-server-5.0 is still installed
[06:04] <fdoving> dwidmann: i wouldn't alias apt-get to aptitude, as aptitude doesn't behave like aptitude.
[06:04] <BluesKaj> good to know
[06:04] <jjlee> I guess purging a virtual package does nothing
[06:04] <jjlee> ?
[06:04] <dwidmann> draik: with a hammer, and some money for a replacement
[06:04] <fdoving> jjlee: you can't purge virtual packages, as they are what the name says, virtual.
[06:04] <ThomasZ> Hiya; anyone know how to stop my logout screen to offer 'hibernate' ?
[06:05] <draik> dwidmann: .....................
[06:05] <dwidmann> if the hard drive really has bad blocks, that's not a good sign, at all.
[06:05] <jjlee> fdoving: I'm not sure that logically follows merely from the name, mate ;-)
[06:05] <jjlee> but I understand how it might sensibly work that way
[06:05] <jjlee> thanks people
[06:05] <ThomasZ> fdoving: btw; installing as ext3 on a different partition and later on moving files around made me manage to have an all reiserFS install of edgy.
[06:06] <intelikey> dwidmann an hdd can have a bad block if it's stable.    but normally if true bad blocks are found they are not one but many and very unstable (multiplying)
[06:06] <fdoving> jjlee: a virtual package is a package that does not exist, it's just provided by other packages. like for example: 'mail-transport-agent', it does not exist, but postfix, sendmail, exim and others provide it.
[06:07] <intelikey> fdoving then   virtual package != meta package
[06:08] <fdoving> jjlee: that way another package that depends on 'some mail-transport-agent' can depend on the virtual 'mail-transport-agent' package, instead of listing every package that at the time of packageing provides the function.
[06:08] <dwidmann> intelikey: of course
[06:08] <fdoving> intelikey: true. virtual packages are not meta packages.
[06:08] <jjlee> fdoving: sure -- but that does not in itself imply removing it will not remove package(s) satisfying the "virtual" thingy.  But that's academic: in ubuntu clearly it does.
[06:08] <jjlee> does notm I mean
[06:08] <jjlee> not,
[06:10] <fdoving> jjlee: ok, it is a little confusing, but you can't remove virtual packages, as far as I'm aware.
[06:10] <jjlee> Hmm, looking again I see something called "virtual-mysql-server" (which aptitude labels 'v'), and then 'mysql-server', marked 'p'
[06:10] <jjlee> Are they both 'virtual packages'?
[06:11] <intelikey> fdoving i thought when you removed what supplied them you could/did   ?
[06:11] <HymnToLife> jjlee, nope, mysqk-server is a meta, IIRC
[06:11] <jjlee> HymnToLife: thanks, I'll go and google that
[06:12] <fdoving> intelikey: yes, but I don't count that as removing virtual packages. that's removing real packages that provide virtual packages, but yes.
[06:12] <BluesKaj> !video converter
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video converter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <BluesKaj> !video
[06:13] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[06:13] <jjlee> I'm trying to track down instability on my dapper system
[06:13] <jjlee> Firefox and kicker crashing regularlu
[06:14] <HymnToLife> that'weird, Dapper is supposed to be rock stable
[06:14] <intelikey> heh
[06:14] <jjlee> I wonder if it's vmware or nvidia non-free drivers or flash 9...
[06:14] <jjlee> any of those particular notorious?
[06:14] <dwidmann> flash 9 sends up a red flag
[06:14] <jjlee> me too :-) I think I'll try that first
[06:14] <BluesKaj> vmware ...why do ppl bother ?
[06:14] <HymnToLife> jjlee, I have all of them and no problem
[06:15] <intelikey> i have a very odd issue on dapper   if i startkde as root  it runs the 'first time wizard' ....  no matter how many times it has been ran.
[06:15] <BluesKaj> flash 9 is ok in edgy
[06:15] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: convenience ... I've got a mess of things installed via vmware :)
[06:15] <HymnToLife> intelikey, you should never ever do that
[06:16] <rich321> How do you install firefox 2? just click upgrade in the menu or I have to uninstall the old firefox?
[06:16] <jjlee> nvidia drivers seem to have kernel modules, perhaps I'll recompile kernel with a different 'local string' (I forget what they call that now...)
[06:16] <BluesKaj> convenience dwidmann ? i guess i don't get it :)
[06:16] <intelikey> that's your openion.  don't lecture me about root.   thank.
[06:16] <intelikey> thanks.
[06:16] <dwidmann> intelikey: that was a known bug, I'm pretty sure that was fixed in Edgy too
[06:16] <jjlee> I mean after switching to free nvidia drivers
[06:16] <dwidmann> If you want it fixed in dapper, I think you have to add somtehing to some rc file somewhere in your ~/.kde folder
[06:17] <intelikey> dwidmann but why wasn't it fixed in dapper.... it's supposed to be supported for 3 years minimum
[06:17] <HymnToLife> rich321, if you're in Dapper, you have to mually install the build from mozilla.com
[06:17] <dwidmann> supported for security updates, that says nothing about fixing bugs, apparantly.
[06:17] <BluesKaj> FF2 should install normally over the older version
[06:17] <jjlee> BTW, I couldn't get edgy running on this box due to X.org problems with NVIDIA card -- found lots of people complaining about it but no workaround
[06:17] <jjlee> any progress on that since?
[06:17] <intelikey> dwidmann really.
[06:18] <intelikey> then ubuntu stinks worse than i thought....
[06:18] <jjlee> I just got a black screen and couldn't find any X logs or anything
[06:18] <intelikey> and i thought....
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> so don't use it.  is it necessary to come to a channel where people donate their time to help, just to bash it?
[06:18] <jjlee> no, I *did* find X logs, but no mention of any problem in them, I think
[06:19] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido @ ?
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not familiar with the shorthand.  who was that directed at?
[06:20] <intelikey> yes @ ?  == at whom
[06:20] <intelikey> at whom   or   at what
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> it was directed at the only one here going out of their way to bash ubuntu when they're doing something that should never need to be done.
[06:20] <intelikey> oh i guess i missed that Daisuke_Ido   who was that ?
[06:21] <Daisuke_Ido> you should never need to run kde as root, so bashing them for not fixing a bug that occurs when you do just that is just...  wrong.
[06:21] <dwidmann> The bug was reproducable as non-root actually, I tracked down and fixed the problem myself at some point or another
[06:22] <dwidmann> (on my machine only, of course)
[06:23] <dwidmann> If I remember right all you have to do is add or change something in the ~/.kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc file, or something like that
[06:23] <fdoving> intelikey: i belive the fix is to run: kwriteconfig --file .kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc --group "General" --key FirstLogin bool false
[06:23] <fdoving> and it's known.
[06:23] <ThomasZ> Hiya; anyone know how to stop my logout screen to offer 'hibernate' ?
[06:24] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido let me quote you here.  "is it necessary to come to a channel where people donate their time to help, just to bash it?"  <<<< read the logs and you will find that that is not the only reason i'm here.     also as to the  "you should never need to run kde as root,"  statement assumes that a default setup is acceptable to all for all purposes.     it's not.    so if i use ubuntu and help in the channel (probably 
[06:24] <intelikey> have a valid reason for starting kde as root for some purpose      buke some one else.  thank you.
[06:25] <fdoving> intelikey: your first message was cut off. after '(probably'
[06:25] <intelikey> (probably more than you do) and,
[06:25] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough, let me also quote you: "then ubuntu stinks worse than i thought...."  "and i thought...."
[06:25] <fdoving> .. and now back to the topic.
[06:25] <intelikey> sorry didn't know where it would turncate.
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> that generally constitutes bashing, but no matter.  you're right, everyone has different needs
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> 'sudo su'
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[06:27] <jjlee> argh, another crash, but at least flash9 gone now :-)
[06:27] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido  nosuid system.
[06:27] <fdoving> ThomasZ: are you aware of the kdesu config option to select su/sudo?
[06:27] <intelikey> :)
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> even more elegant
[06:27] <fdoving> Daisuke_Ido: 'sudo su' is unneccesary, 'sudo -s' does the same.
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[06:27] <HymnToLife> or sudo -i
[06:27] <fdoving> sudo -i can be evil.
[06:28] <fdoving> as it gives you a root-shell with the users environment.
[06:28] <dwidmann> jjlee: perhaps opera would be more stable for you ;)
[06:28] <intelikey> users env   -i ?
[06:28] <soulrider> jjlee: i use opera
[06:29] <soulrider> i lvoe Opera!
[06:29] <ThomasZ> fdoving: no, I wasn't.  Well, su works for me :)
[06:29] <soulrider> love*
[06:29] <fdoving> ThomasZ: kdesu trick -> nr. 5 -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FrodeDoeving/Tips
[06:29] <jjlee> dwidmann: If you're telling me kicker will stop crashing every ten minutes too, I'll switch!-)
[06:29] <intelikey> but just   su   is user env
[06:29] <intelikey> su -    <<<
[06:30] <dwidmann> jjlee: I doubt that would stop kicker from crashing ... no idea what's causing that, but Opera is pretty difficult to crash in my experience.
[06:30] <ThomasZ> fdoving: well, my idea was to avoid sudo :)  Its great for small usages, but not for serious shell work.
[06:30] <fdoving> HymnToLife: gah.. i'm sorry, you're of course right. sudo -s is the evil one. *shuts up*
[06:31] <ThomasZ> fdoving: my user and root pwd tend to be the same anyway.
[06:31] <jjlee> Unfortunately I do web stuff and test things in Firefox (and IE, and konqueror...) -- and I like FF too
[06:31] <soulrider> fdoving: whats sudo -s ?
[06:31] <intelikey> ThomasZ lol
[06:31] <ThomasZ> Anyway; I need to remove the hibernate button from my logout screen.  Since it seriously hangs my machine on reboot and this machine is meant to be user-friendly :)
[06:32] <dwidmann> - s = simulate
[06:32] <soulrider> ahh
[06:32] <intelikey> ThomasZ mine too.    no passwd.  :)
[06:32] <soulrider> cant you use sudo -i to log in as root ?
[06:32] <intelikey> soulrider yes
[06:32] <ThomasZ> intelikey: I still like some security; so I _do_ have a pwd :)
[06:32] <dwidmann> yes, but after doing so, check things such as your pwd, and your path
[06:33] <intelikey> soulrider it's redundant  but  sudo su -     is root shell with root login env also
[06:33] <intelikey> or su -     if you have a root passwd
[06:34] <dwidmann> Hmm, that's interesting, Kopete is sucking up 270mb of memory again o.O
[06:34] <intelikey> ThomasZ i like security,   that's why i don't have a passwd  :)
[06:35] <ThomasZ> intelikey: sounds like a great statement on a t-shirt :)  Maybe it'll sell!
[06:35] <intelikey> ThomasZ not just passwd -d     but passwd -l   also
[06:36] <jjlee> Why did the installer put so much stuff on my system?  I guess just to avoid asking questions and scaring people?
[06:36] <jjlee> I have HP printing system daemon running, but no HP printer, for example
[06:36] <BluesKaj> i've forgotten where the autopassword setup resides in sys/settings ?
[06:36] <intelikey> jjlee yeah  trying to be a  windows to linux crossover environment   i guess
[06:37] <raman> I  need a little help with Kubuntu
[06:37] <BluesKaj> not gonna use it on the login page but for kate and , konsole etc it would be nice
[06:37] <jjlee> Yeah, the popup "what do you want to do with this thing you just put in /etc/fstab" thing made me jump
[06:37] <raman> anyone here?
[06:37] <andreasw> nobdoy ^^
[06:37] <andreasw> nobody
[06:38] <dwidmann> I'm another example of nobody
[06:38] <intelikey> !bot | raman
[06:38] <ubotu> raman: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:38] <jjlee> ...as did the polling of my HDD every five seconds!
[06:38] <BluesKaj> raman, just ask the question :)
[06:38] <raman> ???????????????????
[06:39] <raman> all right
[06:39] <intelikey> the answer to   "???????????????????"   is  "the left mouse button on the kmenu "
[06:40] <ari-free> hi. I just installed kubuntu!
[06:40] <BluesKaj> cool
[06:40] <dwidmann> intelikey: correct for $300
[06:40] <intelikey> :)
[06:40] <ari-free> first linux ever. first other os besides windows
[06:40] <jerp> in aptitude, what does it mean when the package is highlighted in pink,  and 'ipa' is the notation in the left margin
[06:41] <jerp> ipA actually
[06:41] <raman> I am having access to internet from a wireless network. Now using kubuntu on live CD, I am unable to connect to it. The network is open. How do I connect?
[06:41] <jjlee> OMG kubuntu-desktop metapackage depends on python-genetic
[06:41] <lotfi> hi
[06:41] <ari-free> so i have a few questions. how do i change the refresh rate. it's 60hz!
[06:41] <jjlee> That's insane
[06:41] <intelikey> ari-free congrats.    word to the wise.   don't expect to know anything about your new computer now.  you have to learn from scratch.   :)
[06:41] <jerp> ari-free: are you in systemsettings / display?
[06:41] <ari-free> yes
[06:42] <lotfi> i have a problem ,??Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[06:42] <ari-free> it says 60 hz and nothing else
[06:42] <raman> anyone with an answer to my question?
[06:42] <BluesKaj> lotfi, well close them
[06:42] <HymnToLife> lotfi, you can only have one package management app running at a time
[06:42] <ari-free> i have geforce card
[06:42] <intelikey> what vidio card ?
[06:42] <intelikey> oh
[06:43] <murchadh_bhaba> !adept crash
[06:43] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:43] <intelikey> !ati | ari-free
[06:43] <ubotu> ari-free: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <dwidmann> !adeptfix | lotfi
[06:43] <ubotu> lotfi: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:43] <intelikey> if you want 3d ^    but ati can be tricky in linux.
[06:43] <raman> Is there no one with an answer to my question :(
[06:43] <ari-free> whoaboy :)
[06:43] <intelikey> or nvidia
[06:44] <jerp> ari, I'm not sure if you can change it but you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal and see if you can designate the refresh rate
[06:44] <intelikey> never mind me.   i type things i'm not even thinking some times.
[06:44] <ari-free> i need to fix this soon before i get sick :)
[06:44] <ari-free> it's usually 85hz
[06:44] <intelikey> ari-free read the link   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:45] <lotfi> ok thank you .
[06:45] <dwidmann> ari-free, if you know the vertical refresh and horizontal sync of the monitor, it should be easy to get the monitors refresh rate up
[06:45] <ari-free> hmm no i don't
[06:46] <intelikey> http://monitorworld.com  might help with that info
[06:46] <raman> I am having access to internet from a wireless network. Now using kubuntu on live CD, I am unable to connect to it. The network is open. How do I connect?
[06:46] <jjlee> Does aptitude show list *direct* dependencies, or fully recursively resolved ones?
[06:46] <intelikey> !wifi | raman
[06:46] <ubotu> raman: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:46] <ari-free> i thought i would just dload a driver and install it
[06:46] <jjlee> I can't imagine why kubuntu-desktop would depend on all this stuff directly, even as a metapackage
[06:46] <marcus_> !restrictedformats
[06:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:47] <raman> thanks intelikey
[06:47] <intelikey> ari-free that would be the first link i gave you.  but the xorg settings   http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto  <<<< is not a driver issue.
[06:48] <intelikey> getting 3d hardware acceleration out of that card is a driver issue.
[06:48] <draik> What is the kubuntu equivalence to Defragmenter
[06:48] <draik> How do I defrag in Kubuntu?
[06:48] <fdoving> draik: you don't need to.
[06:48] <draik> ok
[06:48] <ari-free> yeah first get the flicker off. argh i have to read all this
[06:49] <draik> I am having hdd issues regarding a bad block or blocks and I don't know what I need to do
[06:49] <john1987> 3 weeks ago i replaced my hhd
[06:49] <fdoving> soulrider: sudo -s executes the shell set in /bin/bash for the user you try to sudo to, root, by default. -s creates a login shell, which is the preferred way.
[06:49] <intelikey> propritary drivers  (not free)  are avalable    <<< not free as in 'free speach'.   yet free as in free beer.
[06:49] <john1987> and at was says 30 % non-contigious
[06:49] <matthew_> draik, you don't need to defrag
[06:49] <fdoving> draik: get a new HD, i have the same problem and i ordered a new disk yesterday.
[06:50] <jjlee> draik: back up and get a new disk immediately
[06:50] <john1987> yes i bought a nes one
[06:50] <draik> I just ran fsck and I got [95128/1151904 files (1.1% non-contiguous), 863110/2303311 blocks] 
[06:50] <matthew_> draik, boot from the liveCD and do this in a terminal              fsck.ext3 /dev/hdx
[06:50] <matthew_> where hdx is the name of your drive
[06:50] <matthew_> lol, too late
[06:50] <john1987> the same happend to me
[06:50] <john1987> hdd is onluy 3 weeks old
[06:51] <jjlee> john1987: that's when they do fail: one end of the "bathtub curve"
[06:51] <draik> matthew_: I'm on the LiveCD
[06:51] <draik> I ran your command
[06:51] <matthew_> probably didn't help...sorry
[06:51] <matthew_> draik, I didn't know that's what you'd already done...
[06:51] <draik> I got             clean, 95128/1151904 files, 863110/2303311 blocks
[06:52] <draik> matthew_: NO, I mean I just ran your command. When you told me to run it I ran it... I did NOT run it prior to you telling me
[06:52] <matthew_> oh, ok.
[06:53] <matthew_> what happened?
[06:53] <draik> I got             clean, 95128/1151904 files, 863110/2303311 blocks
[06:53] <draik> well, actually...
[06:53] <draik> I got             /dev/hda5: clean, 95128/1151904 files, 863110/2303311 blocks
[06:53] <draik> same diff
[06:54] <matthew_> draik, I assume hda5 is where you've installed kubuntu? Or at least the disk you were having problems w/?
[06:54] <draik> I have tried to run the install again from Dapper (that's what my laptop is running) and go through the whole process except for formatting the / partition. Installed Crashed!
[06:54] <ari-free> brb
[06:54] <draik> matthew_: correct
[06:55] <intelikey> john1987 as unbelievable as it may sound.  there is actually code strings that will show up as a bad block on a disk        i have had hdd's that said they died  and just did cat /dev/zero > /dev/hd?    then repartition and reformat  and not another minutes problem     i can't really explain that  but i have seen it.
[06:55] <matthew_> draik, cool, it seems you've got no problems....
[06:55] <intelikey> note    that should only be a last resort effort ^
[06:56] <draik> matthew_: Ok, but I can't boot into the partition because I have a bad block
[06:56] <matthew_> draik, weird...is it a problem w/ grub?
[06:56] <draik> matthew_: Let me restart my laptop and I will tell you the exact error message...
[06:56] <matthew_> draik, ok
[06:56] <matthew_> I'll be here
[06:56] <fdoving> draik: wait.
[06:56] <fdoving> draik: did you run fsck with badblocks scan?
[06:56] <intelikey> company.   back later guys.     gooday and good luck to your penguin
[06:57] <fdoving> later intelikey.
[06:57] <draik> matthew_: Nope. My desktop is the one with the GRUB issue, but I just used SGD to get to my grub and log in to Kubuntu.
[06:57] <draik> fdoving: NOPE. How do I run the check with badblock scan?
[06:58] <fdoving> draik: -c
[06:58] <draik> fsck -c /dev/hda5  ?
[06:58] <matthew_> fdoving, thanks a lot, I didn't know about the -c flag...
[06:59] <jjlee> How does one tell if a package is a meta-package?  Or list files installed by a package that is not installed?
[06:59] <draik> fdoving: Thank you. I'm doing that right now
[06:59] <draik> matthew_: Thank you as well for your help
[06:59] <matthew_> np
[06:59] <jerp> jjlee, I think that can be done in aptitude
[07:02] <jjlee> jerp: how?  I can't see anything in the manpage that looks relevant
[07:02] <jerp> at the top.. click with the mouse on package
[07:02] <jerp> find information second from the bottom  (after you ahve selected the package)
[07:02] <jjlee> jerp: Ah, you're talking about the interactive mode of aptitude?
[07:02] <jjlee> I've not used that yet
[07:02] <fdoving> jjlee: you can often tell from the description or the source-name
[07:03] <jerp> enter... sudo aptitude
[07:03] <Weam> Hi, i got a simple question, i think. Is there any easy way of changing prio on processes in kubuntu? (Like using ctrl-alt-del in Windows and change to "Real-time" for highest prio)
[07:04] <jjlee> fdoving: but if I'm not sure...?  Is there some explicit state in the package metadata that marks it as a metapackage, or does that term simply mean "Package containing no files that depends on lots of other packages"?
[07:04] <jjlee> and if the latter, how do I list the files it would install?  Do I have to use dpkg, or is there a better way?
[07:04] <fdoving> jjlee: no, there is nothing special with the package, it just contains no files, and depend on others.
[07:05] <matthew_> Weam, switching a process to "realtime" won't increase the priority in XP, it just makes the monitoring realtime
[07:05] <fdoving> Weam: ctrl-esc -> right click
[07:05] <Weam> ty
[07:05] <froud> hi, I 've a konsole session where I swithced user (su - username) and now I want to do X :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 but I  fe this error "user not authorized to run the X server, aborting". What must I do to allow this?
[07:06] <ari-free> argh i'm in deep https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:07] <fdoving> Weam: that would only allow you to decrease priority of processes for the current user, if you want to increase priority, or change other processes than your own. kmenu -> run command -> 'kdesu ksysguard --showprocesses' and do the same.
[07:08] <fdoving> jjlee: you can use http://packages.ubuntu.com to find out what files a package will bring. or you can use 'apt-file' on the commandline (package has the same name)
[07:08] <Weam> oh ok, ill try that
[07:09] <fdoving> froud: try to use startx or xinit, instead of X.
[07:09] <JohnFlux> fdoving: what do you usually use that for?
[07:09] <JohnFlux> fdoving: changing priority of processes for other users
[07:10] <fdoving> JohnFlux: I don't do it much.
[07:10] <froud> fdoving: both startx and xinit also don't work
[07:12] <Weam> fdoving, when i do that, nothing happens. i tried to write the same in terminal-window, then i just got "kdesu: Unknown parameter "--showprocesses", i doublechecked if i might have misspelled, but i had not.
[07:12] <froud> fdoving: thx got it first do sudo dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
[07:13] <dwidmann> Weam: enclose the command to be executed by kdesu in quotes
[07:13] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:13] <dwidmann> hi
[07:14] <jjlee> fdoving: thanks, but apt-file does not seem to let you list all files contained in a named package
[07:14] <jjlee> s/contained in/installed by/
[07:14] <fdoving> Weam: sorry, 'kdesu -- ksysguard --showprocesses'
[07:15] <draik> fdoving: matthew_: I finished with the fsck -c /dev/hda5
[07:16] <draik> This is what I got          /dev/hda5: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****
[07:16] <fdoving> jjlee: 'apt-file list packagename' works for me.
[07:16] <jjlee> fdoving: oops, sorry misread manpage
[07:17] <uyusuk> helloo
[07:17] <draik> fdoving: What do I do now?
[07:17] <damian> Hey everyone
[07:18] <jjlee> Grr, but no package I try admits to installing any files, e.g. apt-file list mysql-common-4.1 gives no output
[07:19] <jjlee> s/mysql-common-4.1/mysql-client-5.0/ -- since I actually have that installed
[07:19] <jjlee> :-)
[07:19] <jjlee> still no output
[07:20] <damian> damn you sound like an advanced user
[07:20] <damian> jjlee
[07:20] <jjlee> damian: huh?
[07:21] <siv0x> Can anyone tell me what i did wrong by adding wine repositories in synaptic with:  deb http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb main?
[07:21] <damian> jjlee maybe you cant help me out, how do i edit my grub?
[07:21] <eilker> !ssl
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ssl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <draik> matthew_: Any ideas about what I should do now?
[07:21] <eilker> !SSL
[07:21] <dope> what's that graphical program that connects to remote computer with ssh and you can see and transfer all the files with a gui?
[07:21] <damian> !grub
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about SSL - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:21] <dwidmann> siv0x: I think you're missing the distro part
[07:21] <eilker> !tsl
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tsl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <draik> damian: your grub is located in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:21] <dope> what's that graphical program that connects to remote computer with ssh and you can see and transfer all the files with a gui?
[07:21] <siv0x> dwidmann: what do i do? i'm just trying to make it so that i can just sudo apt-get install wine
[07:21] <damian> draik: how do i edit menu.lst? i edit it and try to save it and it wont let me
[07:21] <matthew_> draik, ok, sorry, I'm back...try restarting
[07:22] <HymnToLife> dope, any decent FTP client
[07:22] <matthew_> damian, do this      sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:22] <dope> an ftp will do that?
[07:22] <fdoving> draik: i'd try to use the disk as normal, be sure you have backups. what -c does, is that it checks for bad blocks and records them, as 'do not try to use these blocks for anything, they are bad'.
[07:22] <dope> can konqueror do that?
[07:22] <eilker> anyone using ssl ?
[07:22] <jerp> damian, sudo nano /etc/sources.list
[07:22] <HymnToLife> FileZilla in Wondows or gftp in Linux
[07:22] <draik> damian: press ALT+F2 and type         kdesu kate
[07:22] <draik> damian: and then open up /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:22] <dope> there was some program i had that did it
[07:22] <dope> krusader or something
[07:22] <dwidmann> siv0x: try adding dapper or edgy to the line right before main?
[07:22] <damian> what happened to kedit?
[07:23] <norro> hey guys. I just found a bug in the zope3 package. Can anyone tell me where to file this bug?
[07:23] <draik> Here goes nothing. Cross your nodes fdoving and matthew_
[07:23] <HymnToLife> dope, nope, Konqueror just pops out a Konsole when you type ssh:// URLs
[07:23] <dope> oh
[07:23] <matthew_> alrighty then...l
[07:23] <dwidmann> damian: you can apt-get install kedit if you want it
[07:23] <dope> will crusader do it?
[07:23] <siv0x> dwidmann: ahh. okay lol
[07:23] <HymnToLife> damian, it's not installed in Ubuntu by default
[07:23] <HymnToLife> just apt-get it
[07:24] <damian> ooh ok
[07:24] <norro> dope type fish://<url> in konqueror to get this file dialog
[07:24] <damian> thanks guys!
[07:24] <damian> i'll try it out
[07:25] <damian> i'd like for windows to be the first choice, would i just move it to before kubuntu and the bottom of that menu.lst?
[07:25] <dwidmann> damian: you should just change the number on the line that starts with "default"
[07:25] <draik> fdoving: matthew_: Still have the same issue... Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[07:26] <fdoving> draik: that's not a badblocks issue, is it?
[07:26] <damian> dwidmann how do i know which number to change it to?
[07:26] <norro> dope By typing fish://<url> you use _scp_ (secure copy), that uses ssh to copy files
[07:26] <draik> doesn't seem to be anymore
[07:26] <dope> ok i got it
[07:27] <dope> thx
[07:27] <draik> I forgot where I was getting the bad block, but it's not here. I guess that part is taken care of for now.
[07:27] <dwidmann> damian: count all the menus going down the list, starting with 0, I think..
[07:27] <draik> But what do I do about this now?
[07:27] <damian> alirght i'll give it a shot
[07:27] <damian> brb
[07:27] <damian> hopefully lol
[07:27] <norro> where do I file bugs that I find in the zope3 ubuntu package?
[07:28] <draik> fdoving: I'm open to suggestions to fix this
[07:28] <fdoving> dope: you can also use sftp:/ to do the same as fish:/ sftp uses the sftp-subsystem of the ssh server. fish uses only regular ssh.
[07:29] <siv0x> dwidmann: hey its not working, i get the error now:
[07:29] <siv0x> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:29] <siv0x> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted
[07:29] <dwidmann> hmm
[07:30] <siv0x> dwidmann: thanks
[07:30] <fdoving> draik: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2318
[07:31] <raven> !ubuntu
[07:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[07:31] <dwidmann> siv0x: the line should be this (assuming edgy): deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[07:33] <siv0x> dwidmann: k i'll give it a shot, ty
[07:34] <draik> fdoving: Thanks. I can't seem to know what I'm looking for. Those seem to be for other distros.
[07:35] <matthew_> draik, sorry, but what are you looking for? (I'm working on my gf's lappy right now...)
[07:36] <draik> matthew_: here is the link... http://kerneltrap.org/node/2318    that fdoving gave me. I just don't know what I'm looking for exactly to fix my issue
[07:36] <siv0x> dwidmann: same error.
[07:37] <Admiral_Chicago> siv0x: did you do a sudo apt-get update?
[07:37] <matthew_> draik, oh, the kernel panic? lemme look around...
[07:37] <draik> matthew_: thanks
[07:37] <siv0x> admiral_chicago: no, let me try that.. lol
[07:37] <jjlee> apt-file seems completely hosed on my machine.  Is there a site on the web that has similar functionality?
[07:38] <siv0x> admiral_chicago, and dwidmann: thanks
[07:39] <ibert> hi! In which packet can I find utf8x for latex?
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[07:40] <matthew_> draik, from what I can see, you need to follow the post that is the second one from the bottom (posted by eduard munteanu)
[07:40] <matthew_> draik, ok, nvm
[07:41] <siv0x> dwidmann: how do i "run wine without any paremeters" ?
[07:41] <matthew_> draik, what does your menu.lst look like? paste it to pastebin for me...
[07:41] <matthew_> !pastebin
[07:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:41] <draik> no prob... 1 sec
[07:41] <dwidmann> siv0x: wine mostly exists just for running other programs, so it would be something like "wine something.exe"
[07:42] <goodthing> i am trying to get around and learn some basics about iptables, i read something about --tcp-flags which should match for status and which should be set. Now, i cannot seem to find out what this checking and setting does in practice. Anyone has a hint?
[07:43] <matthew_> draik, did you recently do a dist-upgrade ?
[07:43] <scias> wow
[07:43] <scias> hey whats up all
[07:43] <fdoving> draik, matthew_, i was thinking about: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2318#comment-8237
[07:43] <draik> matthew_: I can't use pastebin!
[07:44] <matthew_> draik, why not?
[07:44] <draik> I get an error message telling me not to spam pastebin
[07:44] <matthew_> draik, did you put a name in?
[07:45] <matthew_> try www.pastebin.com
[07:45] <draik> yup
[07:45] <matthew_> try www.pastebin.com
[07:46] <matthew_> draik, I'm going to go drop the kids off at the pool, if you know what I mean, brb
[07:46] <draik> http://pastebin.com/849040
[07:47] <draik> matthew_: that's the link. Those kids sure do love to swim ;)
[07:47] <draik> fdoving: That's the link to my menu.lst     http://pastebin.com/849040
[07:48] <pwn4tt4ck> dude, I just restarted my computer the first time after installing kubuntu
[07:48] <pwn4tt4ck> I had ubuntu with gnome before
[07:48] <pwn4tt4ck> wow, I love it
[07:48] <pwn4tt4ck> the login screen is mucho mucho mejor, a lot better
[07:49] <TobiZaZ> anyone knows how to set up dual screen i kubuntu ? its on a laptop
[07:50] <HymnToLife> pwn4tt4ck, there's not only the login scree that is much better :)
[07:50] <jjlee> goodthing: are you running any services you want to expose outside of your machine?
[07:50] <jjlee> goodthing: are you running any services you want to expose outside of your machine?
[07:50] <matthew_> draik, I can't really find anything wrong...what happens when you boot into recovery mode?
[07:50] <jjlee> goodthing: are you running any services you want to expose outside of your machine?
[07:51] <jjlee> hwoops, sorry
[07:51] <draik> matthew_: same thing. Kernel panic
[07:51] <fdoving> draik: you have: # kopt=root=UUID=10c778dd-792b-4aaf-88e9-ff6ffd0c3486 ro
[07:51] <draik> fdoving: huh?
[07:51] <matthew_> draik, ok, so that implies something wrong with the data, not GrUB, right, fdoving ?
[07:52] <fdoving> draik: does in the output of 'blkid', does hda6 match the UUID there?
[07:53] <draik> fdoving: What do you need me to do?
[07:53] <fdoving> draik: run 'blkid' does the UUID listed for hda6, match the one set in menu.list, for the kopt= line.
[07:53] <jjlee> No crashes for a while: I guess it was indeed flash 9 to blame (touch wood)
[07:54] <goodthing> jjlee: not really, should be client only with some irc, web, bittorrent on some alternate ports
[07:54] <fdoving> draik: and why do you have kopt_2_6=root=/dev/hda6 ro, AND the kopt=root=UUID=10c778dd-792b-4aaf-88e9-ff6ffd0c3486 ro line?
[07:54] <jjlee> goodthing: then I don't know of any reason to be checking TCP flags
[07:54] <draik> don't know. 1 sec
[07:54] <sdlnxgk> Happy New Year Everyone !!!!
[07:54] <jjlee> you need a sweet and simple firewall
[07:54] <sdlnxgk> !flash
[07:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:54] <jjlee> oh hold on
[07:54] <jjlee> bittorrent
[07:55] <jjlee> that *is* running a service for others to see, right?
[07:55] <fdoving> draik: nevermind that last question, it's default ubuntu-things. probably sane, even if I don't get the idea.
[07:55] <draik> fdoving: Yes, they match
[07:56] <goodthing> jjlee: yup, every peer is client and server, although being connectable is not really a law it makes the health of the swarm a lot better.. so yes, both.
[07:57] <jjlee> goodthing: that makes it more complicated
[07:57] <draik> fdoving: what would happen if I removed the "root=dev/hdax...." from the kernel line in my menu.lst?
[07:57] <goodthing> jjlee: i was already afraid for that ;)
[07:58] <fdoving> draik: it probably won't find the root filesystem.
[07:58] <draik> fdoving: Ok. Nevermind that idea
[07:58] <draik> fdoving: WAIT!!!
[07:58] <draik> I just noticed that I gave you my desktop's menu.lst
[07:59] <draik> I saved my laptop's menu.lst but gave you the wrong copy.
[07:59] <draik> 1 sec
[07:59] <matthew_> rofl
[07:59] <draik> http://pastebin.com/849046
[07:59] <draik> Tha'ts the correct menu.lst
[08:00] <jjlee> goodthing: seems odd to want to fiddle at such a low level in normal cases, in firewall rules
[08:00] <jjlee> so I'm not much help with that I'm afraid
[08:01] <fdoving> draik: ok. hda5 is your root filesystem, right?
[08:01] <draik> correct
[08:02] <fdoving> draik: run 'blkid' find the UUID of hda5.
[08:02] <goodthing> jjlee: yeah, i just liked the idea of polishing it up a little and learn myself some more theorie about it in the process, not really that important.
[08:02] <draik> fdoving: How do I manager that if I'm on the liveCD on my laptop?
[08:02] <jjlee> iptables knows internally about connection state
[08:02] <fdoving> draik: can't you find uuid from there?
[08:03] <draik> fdoving: I thought it might not give it to me... nevermind... got it
[08:03] <jjlee> use flags like ESTABLISHED, RELATED rather than poking at TCP flags is better idea, AFAIK
[08:03] <draik> UUID="c5325170-cec7-4cff-aa3a-32a44140bc63"
[08:04] <jjlee> no doubt there must be some specialised uses though, at least
[08:04] <fdoving> draik: before line 66. in the pastebin, add: # kopt=root=UUID=c5325170-cec7-4cff-aa3a-32a44140bc63 ro
[08:04] <fdoving> draik: then try. i have no clue if it'll help though.
[08:05] <draik> Ok. Added and Saved
[08:06] <draik> fdoving: restart?
[08:06] <goodthing> jjlee: hmm, interesting, just reading up on that. Thnx
[08:06] <fdoving> draik: yes, try.
[08:06] <jjlee> goodthing: TCP/IP illustrated is good (not quite bedtime reading though :-)
[08:07] <draik> ok. restarting laptop
[08:08] <draik> fdoving: Nope. Still having the same issue
[08:10] <fdoving> draik: ok, then i have no clue.
[08:10] <draik> That makes 2 of us
[08:10] <draik> fdoving: Thank you for trying.
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> where can i get a copy of the TCP/IP Illustrated Swimsuit Issue?
[08:12] <eMaX_> re
[08:13] <jjlee> Some of the dependencies in kunbuntu make no sense to me
[08:13] <fdoving> draik: generally, i'd replace a disk with badblocks asap. modern disks keeps a few 'backup' blocks that they use to replace bad blocks with.. before you notice anything. now that you notice you've got problems, it's getting dangerous.
[08:13] <Daisuke_Ido> like?
[08:13] <fdoving> jjlee: like what?
[08:14] <draik> fdoving: I'm looking at new hdd's for my laptop.
[08:14] <draik> I also need a new hdd for my desktop.
[08:14] <draik> My laptop is from 2000
[08:15] <draik> My desktop I built almost exactly 3 years ago (mid Jan 2004)
[08:15] <jjlee> ubuntu-desktop depends on ttf-malayalam-fonts, and aptitude show ubuntu-desktop tells me I should probably keep it installed if I want to do outlandish things like "adding new packages to the system"
[08:15] <jjlee> ;-)
[08:15] <fdoving> draik: i ordered a new hd yesterday, for my laptop, it's from 2004.. i got badblocks too.. loads.
[08:15] <jjlee> But WTF do I want Malayalam fonts?
[08:15] <draik> I wish I had an external to back everything up
[08:15] <draik> I guess I will just stick with what I have
[08:15] <draik> What is the command to list all the installed apps?
[08:16] <nextreme> yo
[08:16] <fdoving> draik: dpkg -l
[08:16] <draik> I want to see the list of all the apps that I have installed on my computer so that I can bring them back
[08:16] <fdoving> or dpkg --get-selections
[08:16] <draik> Is there one that just lists the name, not so much the versions and such
[08:16] <nextreme> would it be alright if I asked a question?
[08:16] <jjlee> For that matter (though this is less irksome since the kubuntu-desktop package doesn't come with a warning about not removing it), why does kubuntu-desktop depend on a whole bunch of Python packages??
[08:17] <damian> hey guys i'm having trouble again editing fstab and my grub menu.lst
[08:17] <draik> THAT'S THE ONE!!!
[08:17] <damian> how do i do it again?
[08:17] <damian> it wont let me edit the files
[08:17] <jerp> nextreme, you did with that post :)
[08:17] <HymnToLife> !sudo | damian
[08:17] <ubotu> damian: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:17] <jjlee> nextreme: only if that question is not "would it be allright to ask a question"
[08:17] <nextreme> hehehehe
[08:18] <nextreme> I see...sorry
[08:18] <damian> sorry for being such a windows Wh0re, but i'd really like to get this workin
[08:18] <fdoving> jjlee: because for example the power-manager is python.
[08:18] <damian> how do i open a text file such as fstab through console with root pirviledges?
[08:18] <dhq> hello
[08:19] <fdoving> damian: 'sudo nano /etc/fstab'
[08:19] <dhq> how do i setup my bluetooth
[08:19] <jjlee> fdoving: but kubuntu is a meta package -- if the power system wants to depend on Python pkgs, that's fine, but I don't see why the meta-package  should
[08:19] <pelegs> hey all. may I have a question?
[08:19] <nextreme> my other hard drive is mounted yet it says that I don't have permission to write to it
[08:19] <jjlee> AIUI, meta-packages are there for convenience, right?
[08:19] <jjlee> Well, except for ubuntu-desktop, apparently, which isn't supposed to be removed, it tells me
[08:19] <nextreme> I looked at the properties of the drive at it says I have permission
[08:19] <nextreme> little guidance?
[08:20] <jjlee> Seems very odd that Joe Average installing a kubuntu desktop system gets a library for doing Genetic Programming in Python!!
[08:20] <jjlee> (by default)
[08:20] <pelegs> my keyboard layout switch gives and error ("Error changing keyboard layout to il"), but the /etc/X11/xorg.conf seems alright
[08:21] <mino789456> I have a problem with Radeon9200 after update, acceleration dont work, can anybody help me?
[08:21] <pelegs> (I upgraded from kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10 when this problem started)
[08:22] <jjlee> If GP in Python is there by default, why not also applications to aid with the smooth running of florist shops?  Seems about as much of a minority interest!
[08:22] <pelegs> ...and when I run the commad "setxkbmap us,il" it returns an error:
[08:22] <pelegs> "Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property
[08:22] <pelegs> Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us'
[08:22] <pelegs> Couldn't find rules file (xorg)"
[08:22] <pelegs> can anyone help me? :/
[08:23] <fdoving> jjlee: what python package does kubuntu-desktop depend on? diveintopython?=
[08:23] <matthew_> I having a problem installing a driver for my Broadcom BCM4318 wifi card in a Dell Inspiron B130 laptop. I used the tutorial from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=install+ndiswrapper when edgy didn't enable it. Before I did that, I went into system settings->networking and eth1 (the wireless link) was being forced "disabled". Any ideas, anyone?
[08:23] <matthew_> lol, I am having....
[08:24] <fdoving> matthew_: i might have an idea. I have that same card.
[08:24] <matthew_> fdoving, very cool!
[08:24] <fdoving> matthew_: do you have the firmware?
[08:24] <matthew_> nope.
[08:24] <matthew_> where would I find it?
[08:24] <matthew_> google around?
[08:24] <fdoving> matthew_: install the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package
[08:24] <jjlee> fdoving: python-genetic, for an example (and many others)... but do you mean there's some intermediate dependency that aptitude is resolving for me when I do aptitude show kubuntu-desktop?
[08:25] <jjlee> i.e. if A depends on B which depends on C, will it list both B and C?
[08:25] <fdoving> matthew_: then run 'sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh'
[08:25] <matthew_> fdoving, uh, ok, h/o, gotta go connect via ethernet...
[08:25] <jjlee> fdoving: or were you just kidding?
[08:26] <Kiongku> hi, can i know where to read about how to make my linux box a gateway to internet for a MS pc
[08:26] <mino789456> I have a problem with Radeon9200 after update, acceleration dont work, can anybody help me?
[08:26] <fdoving> jjlee: I can only see one python related package, really, diveintopython.
[08:27] <jjlee> fdoving: what command did you use to list the deps?
[08:27] <bubblenut> Hi, what part of the sources.list urls do I have to add the 2-letter country code to?
[08:27] <jjlee> "diveintopython" would certainly explain the weird list I see, if it's recursively resolved
[08:28] <fdoving> jjlee: apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop, aptitude show kubuntu-desktop, the same.
[08:28] <fdoving> jjlee: diveintopython is a book. it doesn't depend on anything but dpkg.
[08:28] <jjlee> hmm
[08:28] <fdoving> jjlee: it recommends python, though.
[08:29] <jjlee> fdoving: I'm on dapper -- you?
[08:30] <fdoving> jjlee: feisty & edgy.
[08:30] <jjlee> I guess that's where the difference is
[08:31] <eMaX_> re
[08:31] <eMaX_> pfff
[08:31] <eMaX_> I have so many problems with my wlan connection on my thinkpad since I moved to kubuntu
[08:31] <fdoving> jjlee: yes, and i can tell you why kubuntu-desktop in dapper depends on those. python was upgraded from 2.3 to 2.4 from breezy -> dapper. To make sure the new version were installed they needed to be added as depends in kubuntu-desktop.
[08:32] <mino789456> I have a problem with Radeon9200 after update, acceleration dont work, can anybody help me?
[08:32] <jjlee> fdoving: Aha, thanks
[08:32] <jjlee> sounds like
[08:32] <jjlee> a
[08:32] <jjlee> hack
[08:32] <jjlee> whoops, sorrh
[08:33] <nextreme> after some thinking, I can rephrase the question. How can I get write permission for a hard drive when I can't do it through the gui?
[08:33] <fdoving> jjlee: those packages should be installed anyway, it's just to force the upgrade to 2.4. packagenames changed from python2.3-xx to python2.4-xx and the new python2.4-xx conflicted with the old ones.
[08:33] <jjlee> bur I guess I knew already that Debian needs work on its Python policy
[08:34] <john1987> kdesu
[08:34] <jjlee> fdoving: Huh?  you're telling me python-genetic "needs to be installed anyway"?  Why?
[08:35] <fdoving> jjlee: can't find no packge with that name.
[08:35] <jerp> nextreme: what are you trying to do?
[08:35] <jjlee> It does exist in dapper, certainly.  Along with all kinds of other obscure Python stuff
[08:35] <jerp> write something to what?
[08:35] <fdoving> jjlee: not on my dapper.
[08:36] <nextreme> jerp: when I try to save somthing or move somthing to teh hard drive, it says i don'[t have permission to do it
[08:36] <jjlee> You mean on your dapper you don't see python-genetic as a dependency of kubuntu-desktop?  Weird/
[08:36] <jerp> nextreme: saving like in your home folder?
[08:37] <nextreme> sorta. The drive is just being used as extra sppce
[08:37] <nextreme> space*
[08:37] <jerp> you should have all permissions in the home folder that you'd care to have
[08:37] <nextreme> I might have screwed things up since I replaced Kanotix with Kubuntu
[08:37] <nextreme> jerp: the home folder isn't on that hard drive
[08:38] <mino789456> Im having a problem with acceleration on Radeon9200 after update. Did someone experience this and fixed that?
[08:38] <nextreme> I installed my home folder and what have you to my other hard drive
[08:41] <jerp> nextreme, ic, that's beyond my knowledge  :/
[08:41] <nextreme> okies.
[08:42] <jjlee> fdoving: Hmm, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/misc/ links to http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/misc/kubuntu-desktop, which does not exist
[08:42] <jjlee> something broken there
[08:43] <jerp> mino,  there might be an ati channel on this network
[08:43] <jjlee> Hold on, it's back again.  Glitch
[08:44] <jjlee> fdoving: OK, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/misc/kubuntu-desktop does indeed list python-genetic as a dependency
[08:44] <fdoving> jjlee: i can see it depends on python-genetic now, i searched for 'generic'.. my bad, it's probably a mistake, can't imagine that beeing used anywhere.
[08:44] <jjlee> shrug
[08:44] <cntb> flash game bubbles.swf is slow on firefox and ie on ubuntu abny solution?
[08:44] <fdoving> jjlee: all the -desktop meta-packages depends on that package in dapper. they don't in edgy and feisty.
[08:44] <cntb> how to nice IE or firefox?
[08:45] <jjlee> I can live with that.  *Much* more irritating is that e.g. gamin (file monitor) is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, whose descriptions tells me I shouldn't remove it if I value my sanity ;-)
[08:46] <jjlee> Somebody sell me gamin -- why do I want it??
[08:46] <jjlee> apparently I have no choice in the matter. though
[08:46] <paolo> ciao
[08:47] <fdoving> jjlee: you can make gamin uise inotify instead of polling. that way it will use waaay less resources.
[08:47] <paolo> ma  anche un help italiano o solo inglese?
[08:47] <jjlee> Still, I certainly appreciate lots of things working without too much effort :-)  And without interminable compilation as with gentoo
[08:47] <fdoving> jjlee: in /etc/gamin/gaminrc, at the end append 'fsset ext3 notify'
[08:47] <fdoving> !it| paolo
[08:47] <ubotu> paolo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:48] <jjlee> fdoving: cool. thanks for the tip
[08:48] <paolo> grazie
[08:48] <jjlee> I don't know why I'm supposed to need gamin *at all* though
[08:48] <jjlee> (or any other file monitor)
[08:49] <willvarfar> I can't get my ieee1334 camera to work; does kubuntu kernel have the drivers for them?
[08:52] <fdoving> jjlee: you want it because files and directories change, if you leave a konqueror window with your homedirectory open, you want it to reflect what is actually there, you don't want it to show stuff that you deleted in the konsole or another filemanager windows 5 mins. ago.
[08:53] <jjlee> fdoving: I never open konqueror on directories
[08:53] <jjlee> always use konsole
[08:53] <fdoving> jjlee: ok,that's your choice, kubuntu includes gamin because most users do.
[08:54] <jjlee> fdoving: that's cool, but it seems I'm not supposed to remove it.  That's no so cool.
[08:54] <fdoving> jjlee: it's a compiled-in feature for the apps that support it. they depend on it.
[08:55] <jjlee> fdoving: that's a bug, IMNHSO, if they really do depend on it in a hard-and-fast way
[08:55] <damian> when i type in sudo kate /etc/fstab it gives me errors like Xerror: bad device, but after a few seconds it still opens fstab
[08:55] <fdoving> jjlee: you can however use the trick i gave you, and if you don't want it do do anything, you can replace 'notify' with 'none', that will give you what you want.
[08:56] <fdoving> jjlee: ok. it's hereby rejected. :)
[08:56] <fdoving> damian: you should use 'kdesu' for graphical apps. it's designed to cope with those problems.
[08:56] <siv0x> hey theres a folder on my desktop i cant delete.. it says "Access denied to /home/siv0x/.local/share/Trash/files/wine_gecko how can i delete this?
[08:56] <jjlee> fdoving: then I have to read and understand the documentation for gamin, and be in doubt as to whether I've really turned it off
[08:57] <damian> fdoving: so "kdesu kate /etc/fstab"?
[08:57] <fdoving> damian: correct.
[08:57] <fdoving> jjlee: http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ and http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/
[08:59] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:00] <jjlee> fdoving: those are indeed the docs.  I was just pointing out it would be nice if I didn't have to read them at all.  That would be the case if I could simply remove the gamin package.
[09:00] <gan|y|med> i cannot access google at the moment so can anybody please tell me how to enable symbolic links in apache2 (kubuntu edgy)?
[09:00] <sredna> Hi
[09:00] <fdoving> jjlee: well, you can't in ubuntu and kubuntu. then you'll need something like gentoo, where you select what you want enabled before compiling.
[09:01] <sredna> I seem to have problems watching streams with kmplayer, no matter if I use xine or mplayer. Does anybody else have that problem?
[09:01] <jjlee> I guess I should go fix it if I care enough.
[09:02] <jjlee> But I don't see why there needs to be a dependency on it.  Apps should be able to cope with it not being there at runtime
[09:02] <jjlee> I guess I can shut down the daemon at least (famous last words ;-)...
[09:03] <fdoving> jjlee: the programs using it will re-start it.
[09:03] <jjlee> pants
[09:03] <fdoving> jjlee: you want to edit the config to make it do nothing.
[09:05] <jjlee> That would not be reliable, since I don't know much about gamin.
[09:05] <jjlee> This guy has a nice simple idea: http://www.yiqiang.net/archives/17 :-)
[09:06] <cntb> \o howto change non-unicode display to other than english ?
[09:07] <fdoving> jjlee: leaving it running with the 'none' setting, it doesn't use much cpu.. if you want to start renaming stuff, please do, but i wouldn't.
[09:08] <jjlee> Gone! :-)
[09:08] <jjlee> I'll report back if everything breaks
[09:09] <dsmith> hello again
[09:10] <dsmith> what is a good print to pdf for ubuntu?
[09:10] <dsmith> in windows I use pdf-creator
[09:11] <fdoving> jjlee: you might want to check out ~/.xsession-errors for errors related to it.
[09:11] <goodthing> who decides where apps should fit in the k-menu with the app.desktop file?
[09:11] <fdoving> dsmith: i use openoffice, it might not be good. but i do use it for my 2 pdfs a month.
[09:11] <fdoving> goodthing: the packager.
[09:11] <LeeJunFan> anyone know why when I try to access a dir on a CD using windows, which I burned with k3b, I get invalid directory while trying to CD to it? It's a bootable CD that boots, and I can dir and see everything except when I try to access a dir - no go.
[09:12] <dsmith> I know open office has that functionality, however what about when viewing things online?
[09:12] <fdoving> dsmith: kde programs can print to pdf by default. there is also cups-pdf iirc.
[09:13] <goodthing> fdoving: so the last call is the packager of the distro. Hmm, because i was asking myself why knetfilter is in the menu for internet apps while it really is more like a system tool
[09:13] <reinle> hello
[09:14] <fdoving> goodthing: report a bug. bugs.ubuntu.com
[09:14] <dsmith> damn I just realized that, firefox will print to file and it comes out as a stinking pdf!
[09:14] <dsmith> omg
[09:14] <jjlee> fdoving: nothing, except the usual blizzard of gdk-pixbuf / firefox errors (which *is* a bit worrying)
[09:14] <fdoving> jjlee: ok.
[09:15] <jjlee> I guess I'm unusual in never moving windows or opening konqueror on a directory, though
[09:17] <dsmith> hmmmm ok, the print job from firefox webpage to pdf works fine. However, when open the pdf, konquerer only shows the preview and main page is blank.
[09:18] <jjlee> dsmith: whatever you end up using, it will very likely be ghostscript under the hood
[09:18] <_Shade_> hi there
[09:18] <dsmith> ok, jjlee. kpdf viewer will not open the pdf I just created, another hmmm
[09:19] <jjlee> ksmith: have you tried acroread?
[09:19] <_Shade_> when i try to boot an ubuntu cd on my new machine i got a kernel panic message. What can i do to fix this up?
[09:19] <dsmith> what version shade?
[09:20] <_Shade_> this applies to edgy and dapper
[09:21] <_Shade_> both: kubuntu and ubuntu
[09:21] <dsmith> acroread, as in acrobat reader?
[09:22] <TexJoachim> hi!
[09:22] <dsmith> ok, kpdf opened the file finally
[09:22] <TexJoachim> does anyone know how to recover a forgotten password for freenode irc?
[09:22] <TexJoachim> I'd like to switch from xchat to konversation but can't remember the password I entered in xchat
[09:23] <dsmith> just create a new user name
[09:24] <jjlee> dsmith: yes, acroread is the usual command line name for Acrobat Reader (on Linux systems at least, I forget on Windows...)
[09:25] <dsmith> Yes, I have. It seemed somewhat sluggish though, so I removed it.
[09:25] <TexJoachim> dsmith thx
[09:25] <TexJoachim> but I'd like to keep the one
[09:25] <dsmith> welcome
[09:25] <dsmith> lol
[09:26] <dsmith> sorry I cant help you, I would maybe contact a super admin?
[09:26] <dsmith> jjlee: I thank you for your help. I did not realize that you can print to file from Firefox.
[09:27] <jjlee> wasn't me who suggested that, but you're welcome
[09:28] <dsmith> oops thats right, *retract* my last statement.
[09:28] <bobleny> I have a question...
[09:28] <dsmith> Thank you fdoving..
[09:28] <dsmith> but still thanks for your help jjlee
[09:28] <ellipsis> how do I turn off X windows and go to console?
[09:28] <dsmith> now if I can just find  onenote program for linux
[09:28] <dsmith> or something like it
[09:29] <jjlee> ellipsis: you can get to a console without leaving X with ALT-CTRL F1
[09:29] <bobleny> Is there a way to transfer data from my second HDD, which is running Windows XP, to my first HDD, which is running linux?
[09:29] <jjlee> (or F2, F3, etc)
[09:29] <ellipsis> I know
[09:29] <ellipsis> but I want a different window manager
[09:30] <jjlee> ellipsis: log out, then do your config changes from a terminal, then kill -1 <pid of X>
[09:30] <jjlee> Do a ps ax | grep X to find the pid
[09:30] <ellipsis> hm
[09:31] <fdoving> matthew_: what's the satuts on wlan-project?
[09:32] <jjlee> I think you might want update-alternatives to switch desktop (but I'm remembering from years back, might be wrong there)
[09:33] <hepme> if i have a computer that has no harddrives installed, and just run ubuntu off liveCD, is that considered a 'diskless workstation'?
[09:33] <fdoving> hepme: yes.
[09:33] <ellipsis> eh.
[09:33] <ellipsis> sorry guys
[09:34] <ellipsis> this is the eighth time I'm trying to switch over to linux
[09:34] <fdoving> ellipsis: what's your problem?
[09:34] <ellipsis> and it's still too....I won't say difficult...it's too irritating.
[09:34] <hepme> i wonder if i can talk some libraries into running ubuntu livecd for the operating system so their machines will be safer for web browsing heh
[09:34] <ellipsis> I'm tired of sudo-ing into everything
[09:34] <ellipsis> and doing everything from the console.
[09:34] <ellipsis> the linux gui's are essentially USELESS.
[09:35] <ellipsis> because every single app uses the console for it's setup, more or less
[09:35] <hepme> ellipsis: then maybe you shouldnt use linux.. it's made for people who see the value of those things, or you can learn t osee the value
[09:35] <ellipsis> unless it's lucky enough to be a package.
[09:35] <K`zan> Under gentoo's kde under the "add applet to panel" there is a dictionary lookup applet, how do I add that to kubuntu?
[09:35] <hepme> you might like OS X better
[09:35] <ellipsis> what exactly is the value of those things?
[09:35] <hepme> security, power
[09:35] <ellipsis> but the thing is
[09:35] <hepme> speed even
[09:35] <ellipsis> I don't need that power.
[09:35] <hepme> though it seems slower to the uninitialized
[09:36] <ellipsis> you mean uninitiated.
[09:36] <ellipsis> and yeah.
[09:36] <hepme> yap
[09:36] <hepme> why do you want to switch to linux?
[09:36] <fdoving> K`zan: install 'kdict'
[09:36] <ellipsis> because I'm not very happy with what MS has done with Vista?
[09:36] <jjlee> ellipsis: I honestly find Windows more of a PITA and harder to understand, though I certainly also find linux a PITA too :-)
[09:37] <soulrider> ellipsis: vista sucks ass, have you seen those annoying secutity warnongs ?
[09:37] <jjlee> Tried to install a TV card on Windows a while back, horrendous experience
[09:37] <ellipsis> erm
[09:37] <soulrider> jjlee: PITA ?
[09:37] <ellipsis> I just SAID that I want to switch to linux because vista sucks ass
[09:37] <ellipsis> not in so many words
[09:37] <ellipsis> but yeah
[09:37] <jjlee> soulrider: GIYF
[09:37] <hepme> ellipsis: once you get your ubuntu box config'd to your custom desires you'll probably love it if not then i'd suggest OS X
[09:37] <ellipsis> man
[09:37] <ellipsis> a word of advice
[09:37] <ellipsis> "suggesting" os x is much easier than shelling out the cash for it.
[09:38] <ellipsis> I just bought a new dell laptop like 2 months ago.
[09:38] <K`zan> fdoving: Thanks VERY much!
[09:38] <ellipsis> see, I'm happy with windows xp
[09:38] <hepme> well it's a s uperior os to linux and so if you don't like ubuntu it's the next logical step. anythin but going back to windows right?
[09:38] <fdoving> K`zan: you're welcome :)
[09:38] <ellipsis> but I'm trying to get off the windows boat before I'm forced to upgrade to vista
[09:38] <jjlee> soulrider: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=GIYF
[09:38] <ellipsis> but the problem is
[09:38] <hepme> ellipsis: what happens in a few years when xp is no longer supported by microsoft or somethin
[09:38] <ellipsis> ummm
[09:39] <soulrider> ellipsis: i switched to linux 6 months ago, at first i felt like you feel now
[09:39] <hepme> you coulda ended up a Unix master by then instead youj'll just then be startin to get back into it out of force :P
[09:39] <hepme> i see
[09:39] <soulrider> but you will start to realize how much better the console is than the gui for some things
[09:39] <ellipsis> erm
[09:39] <ellipsis> it IS better than the GUI for some things
[09:39] <K`zan> hepme: I know people still using CP/M and TRS-80 model ones because they still do what they needed done :-).
[09:39] <ellipsis> and I use the console in win xp a lot
[09:39] <ellipsis> but the thing is
[09:39] <hepme> well that really is the only advice i have. keep at ubuntu until you start loving it or shell out cash for mac/OSX. either is far better than windows
[09:40] <hepme> install beryl if you want to impress your vista loving friends
[09:40] <ellipsis> I don't like having to EVERYTHING from the console, it's f**king irritating to keep on typing ./comfigure; make; make install
[09:40] <ellipsis> and then doing a bajillion things to install every darn thing
[09:40] <K`zan> ellipsis: Stick with it, it will be WELL worth it in the end.  m$ is a dead end.
[09:40] <hepme> you dont have to do everythin from the console, kde has awsome QT gui apps
[09:40] <fdoving> !software | ellipsis
[09:40] <ubotu> ellipsis: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[09:40] <ellipsis> meh
[09:40] <ellipsis> nah
[09:40] <ellipsis> I'm going to wait a few months
[09:40] <soulrider> ellipsis: i rarely needed to compile apps
[09:40] <fdoving> ellipsis: i didn't do a single ./configure, yet i use a complete system with everything I want.
[09:41] <hepme> what do you have to do from the console that you cant do from the GUI?
[09:41] <ellipsis> and see if you guys can come up with a unified package management system.
[09:41] <hepme> theres a gui app for literally everything i think
[09:41] <K`zan> ellipsis: I've been running gentoo forever including one MAJOR screw up (by me) that I was able to fix without the dreaded days of wipe/re-install everything.
[09:41] <ellipsis> gui apps, yes. gui installers, no
[09:41] <hepme> though i prefer the console, because it saves memory and is less buggy
[09:41] <hepme> ellipsis: adept is a gui installer
[09:41] <K`zan> ellipsis: Giving kubuntu a try now :-).
[09:41] <ellipsis> no, adept is a gui package manager
[09:41] <soulrider> yes,a dept is great
[09:41] <soulrider> so
[09:41] <hepme> well what do you mean by installer
[09:41] <ellipsis> there's a difference.
[09:42] <soulrider> what you want is an installer like in widnows for every program ?
[09:42] <ellipsis> only if someone CHOOSES to release a package, only then is adept useful
[09:42] <hepme> i dont find i need many 3rd party packages
[09:42] <soulrider> ellipsis: heres the thing
[09:42] <soulrider> wheny ou compile a program
[09:42] <soulrider> you can optimize it for your computer
[09:42] <K`zan> ellipsis: Linux is different and after you struggle a bit along the learning curve you will find you like it FAR better.
[09:42] <soulrider> thats whyc ompiling is a good idea :)
[09:42] <hepme> compiling programs is awsome yeah you can customize and optomize
[09:42] <jjlee> ellipsis: you pays your money and takes your choice I'm afraid.  Take it or leave it
[09:43] <ellipsis> see, the difference between the average linux oss app, and the average windows oss app is, the windows oss apps have installers. so you can get the app running, and then browse through the source at your leisure and modify it if you need to
[09:43] <ellipsis> you get power AND ease of use
[09:43] <ellipsis> see, I'm not interested in looking at the source of every damn app I download
[09:43] <K`zan> ellipsis: I hate and LOATHE individual installers.  Linux has a much better idea :).
[09:43] <soulrider> ellipsis: you can get deb packages for quite a lot of programs
[09:43] <ellipsis> meh
[09:43] <hepme> ellipsis:  you dont have to
[09:43] <ellipsis> anyway
[09:43] <soulrider> and compiling isnt hard
[09:43] <ellipsis> long story short
[09:44] <hepme> we're talkin about compile ttime options
[09:44] <soulrider> or take long
[09:44] <hepme> though hacking the source is even a greater benefit, but for programmers. you dont have to do that though
[09:44] <ellipsis> I'm going to wait and see if you linux guys get some unity going. until then, I'll make do with xp
[09:44] <hepme> suit yourself
[09:44] <fdoving> ellipsis: enjoy xp.
[09:44] <ellipsis> :)
[09:44] <soulrider> !windows
[09:44] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:44] <hepme> if you want unity try bsd
[09:44] <hepme> less distros goin on
[09:44] <soulrider> hes kinds right about unity in packaging
[09:45] <hepme> bsd is for unix lovers. linux is for microsoft haters, generally
[09:45] <K`zan> ellipsis: I had that attitude once, but stuck with it anyway.  After a while one gets REAL tired of being spoon fed expensive trash.
[09:45] <ramin> at least in windows the file manager doesn't crash - unlike konqueror
[09:45] <hepme> os x is bsd based so it's for both mac lovers, ms haters and unix lovers
[09:45] <soulrider> he left already
[09:45] <hepme> doh
[09:45] <K`zan> ramin: It does here :)
[09:45] <hepme> he'll be back, they always come back
[09:45] <ramin> and adept...
[09:45] <soulrider> ramin: konqueror never crashed on me
[09:46] <soulrider> neither has adept
[09:46] <ramin> love kubuntu but it's driving me mad
[09:46] <hepme> windows makes things easy for the most part but that's all it offers and it frustrates people the more adept they get with computers
[09:46] <soulrider> ramin: have you tried krusader ?
[09:46] <ramin> no - have read about it though
[09:46] <soulrider> ramin: maybe you should try it
[09:46] <ramin> installing right now
[09:47] <ramin> its
[09:47] <soulrider> :)
[09:47] <klerfayt> what is the "ro" in grub?
[09:47] <soulrider> ramin: for how long have you been using kubuntu ?
[09:47] <soulrider> read only
[09:47] <hepme> i love how ubuntu comes with memtest, so people can test their ram to make sure it's not defective or not, that way they don't go blaming kde for the reason everythings crashing. too many people just have cheap ram
[09:47] <ramin> about 4 months
[09:47] <soulrider> :)
[09:47] <soulrider> ill brb
[09:48] <hepme> not defective or not :/
[09:48] <ramin> you think it might be memory corruption?
[09:48] <niko__> salut
[09:48] <soulrider> back
[09:48] <coreymon77> whats krusader
[09:48] <soulrider> ramin: konqueror never crashed on me
[09:48] <niko__> oh hi everybody
[09:48] <soulrider> !info krusader
[09:48] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[09:48] <soulrider> hi niko__
[09:48] <niko__> I have a problem
[09:49] <hepme> dunno, but it's always good to run memtest86 once in a while to make sure your ram is still ok
[09:49] <coreymon77> oh
[09:49] <niko__> I have installed Kubuntu
[09:49] <niko__> I was running Ubuntu 1 hour ago
[09:49] <hepme> too many people try to solve hardware problems via software and it wont work
[09:49] <ramin> oooh nice... krusader looks good and it doesn't crash
[09:49] <hepme> best to narrow it down to a software cause first
[09:49] <hepme> especially cause you can do that within an hour
[09:49] <niko__> With KDE, is it normal adept doesn't work ?
[09:50] <ramin> that's right
[09:50] <soulrider> niko__: adept works =/
[09:50] <hepme> normal? no
[09:50] <soulrider> maybe if you reinstall it... ?
[09:50] <ramin> I've logged the bugs with the stack dumps
[09:50] <niko__> when i want to go to install programs as firefox
[09:50] <coreymon77> ksnt firefox installed already?
[09:51] <niko__> I see adept is initializing
[09:51] <hepme> not by default
[09:51] <niko__> but after i don't have the windows
[09:51] <hepme> did you restart X yet, i wasnt payin attention
[09:52] <niko__> yes i restart and strangely and the wizard ask me the password that i enter and adept run
[09:52] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | niko__
[09:52] <ubotu> niko__: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:52] <niko__> i don't understand
[09:55] <niko__> GREAT, thank you ubotu
[09:55] <niko__> it works
[09:55] <niko__> ^^
[09:55] <soulrider> ubotu: is a bot :P
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot :P - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <fdoving> !botsnack
[09:55] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:56] <windwalker> Hello and a Happy New Year to everybody! Can somebody tell me how to disable Desktop sharing? I am trying to run tightvnc but :0 is always occupied?
[09:56] <soulrider> LOL
[09:56] <coreymon77> lol
[09:56] <coreymon77> starting off with the suckup before youget to the question
[09:57] <bobleny> Don't forget about me...
[09:57] <niko__> lol ubotu is a bot
[09:58] <bobleny> Is there a way to transfer data from my second HDD, which is running Windows XP, to my first HDD, which is running linux?
[09:58] <windwalker> bobleny, mount
[09:59] <bobleny> Mount the second drive, how?
[09:59] <windwalker> mount -t ntfs /dev/yourdrive /some/folder
[09:59] <windwalker> or mount -t vfat...
[09:59] <fdoving> windwalker: it's talking about x screens, :0 is your current desktop session. and I doubt you want tightvnc, i think you want 'x11vnc'. tightvnc will need to open a new session to connect to via vnc. x11vnc allows you to share your current session.
[10:00] <bobleny> In termanel?
[10:00] <jjlee> bobleny: *carefully* use e.g. cfdisk if you don't know which drive your windows partition is
[10:00] <jjlee> bobleny: yes
[10:00] <windwalker> fdoving I want exacltly my current session to be shared,
[10:00] <windwalker> tightvnc is offering much more compression
[10:00] <windwalker> as compared to the ordinary one
[10:00] <windwalker> i need it ot be on :0
[10:00] <jjlee> bobleny: You can add your windows partition to /etc/fstab to make mounting it easier
[10:01] <bobleny> how I do that?
[10:01] <jjlee> (but do that later, after you've mounted it "by hand")
[10:01] <jjlee> bobleny: don't worry for now, try mount first
[10:01] <fdoving> windwalker: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ (there is a package named 'x11vnc')
[10:01] <fdoving> !ntfs | bobleny
[10:01] <ubotu> bobleny: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[10:02] <darkwarf> Salut tous !
[10:06] <hepme> does ubuntu use BOOTP to obtain my ip address from the livcd, or full on dhcp?
[10:06] <matthew_> fdoving, I did what you said with bmc43xx-fwcutter, but I am not able to enable eth1 (wireless)...weird, huh?
[10:07] <bobleny> Is this, "mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /etc/hdb1", right?
[10:08] <niko__> The codecs to read all files are ffmpg ?
[10:08] <hepme> looks like a correct command, is thaat a floppy?
[10:08] <hepme> i didnt know people mounted to /etc though :/
[10:08] <dope> how come katapult can't launch some things
[10:08] <dope> like gvim or kcontrol
[10:09] <hepme> good question
[10:09] <goodthing> bobleny: no, you probably want the mountpoint in somewhere in /media/....  , something like /media/windows
[10:09] <bobleny> ok
[10:09] <hepme> gvim is showing up in katapult but not launchin for me
[10:09] <matthew_> fdoving, so, any more ideas?
[10:10] <neoncode> I'm following a guide about running MLdonkey as a service and it says I should use daemontools. Does anything kubuntu allready have do the same thing or do I need to install it?
[10:10] <hepme> mounting the iso is like daemontools
[10:10] <goodthing> bobleny: and you have to find out on what /dev/location that disk is located and whether that partition has NTFS or fat32
[10:10] <dope> and if i type home in katapult i get nothing :/
[10:11] <bobleny> I'm reletivlly sure it is fat32, and I belive it is hdb1...
[10:12] <hepme> bobleny try 'cat /etc/fstab' to be sure
[10:12] <HymnToLife> bobbyd, sudo fdisk -l will tell you for sure :)
[10:12] <bobleny> What happens if I mount the wrong partition?
[10:12] <coreymon77> guys
[10:12] <HymnToLife> bobbyd, you'll get an error saying the partition cnnot be mounted
[10:13] <coreymon77> for picture previews in konqueror
[10:13] <coreymon77> jpegs used to work
[10:13] <coreymon77> why are jpegs no longer included in the previews in konqueror anymore?
[10:14] <matthew_> I am having trouble with my broadcom bcm4318 wifi internal card on my lappy. What can I do? I've already tried to use gcm43xx-fwcutter and a tutorial from  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=install+ndiswrapper      any ideas, anyone?
[10:14] <goodthing> bobleny: you can do a 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' to check on that
[10:14] <hepme> dope lemme know if you find out how
[10:14] <bobleny> the, cat /etc/fstab, only gives me infor for hda
[10:14] <hepme> yeah the sudo fdisk -l command is better
[10:15] <dope> man i've no idea
[10:17] <coreymon77> matthew_: ndiswrapper
[10:17] <hepme> does ubuntu livecd use BOOTP or DHCP to determine IP?
[10:17] <coreymon77> broadcom chip card are a pain in the a$$
[10:17] <eilker> !eggdrop
[10:17] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.17-3 (edgy), package size 459 kB, installed size 1144 kB
[10:18] <goodthing> hepme: dhcp for what i know
[10:19] <goodthing> hepme: might work with bootp though, but that would probably need some fiddeling with settings
[10:19] <bobleny> Before I can mount something, I need to make a mount point?
[10:19] <fdoving> matthew_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[10:19] <matthew_> coreymon77, where would I get the driver for the card? looked online...
[10:20] <matthew_> fdoving, thanks, h/o whilst I read...
[10:20] <coreymon77> matthew_: you could also get the driver directly off of your cards install cd
[10:20] <ash211> hepme: I think DHCP
[10:20] <matthew_> coreymon77, don't have the cd....bleagh
[10:20] <eilker> !usblp
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usblp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <Dr_willis> bobbyd,  the mount point must exist beforhand when using the mount command.
[10:20] <coreymon77> oh
[10:20] <goodthing> bobleny: yup, some folder in /media is more or less the defacto standard for that. Give it a descriptive name you like.
[10:20] <hepme> ok, do you know if ubuntu livecd uses /dev/ram* for ramdisk or does it use /tmp?
[10:21] <eilker> !lp
[10:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <Dr_willis>  - /tmp may be a link to /dev/ram*
[10:21] <bobleny> Well, how do I make a mount point?
[10:21] <Dr_willis> mkdir mountpoint
[10:21] <Dr_willis> its just a dir. :)
[10:21] <bobleny> k
[10:21] <hepme> /tmp is a sticky directory hmm
[10:22] <bobleny> I've done this at least 20 times before, you'd think I'd remeber ;)
[10:22] <Dr_willis> Yep :)
[10:22] <hepme> /tmp doesnt seem to be a link to /dev/ram*, not sure how it could be since /tmp can grow and /dev/ram* are fixed sizes
[10:23] <_nAtic> heyo folks
[10:23] <hepme> so much to learn so little time, only a lifetime
[10:23] <_nAtic> i need to mount my starcraft broodwar image... so it acts as if it was a real cd-rom
[10:23] <_nAtic> howto do?`
[10:23] <Dr_willis> _nAtic,  use the loop feature of the mount command.
[10:23] <superjoe> anyone know how to set up kubuntu on laptop to connect to wireless network?
[10:24] <Dr_willis> superjoe,  a lot depends on your 3xact wireless card
[10:24] <_nAtic> hm, i've mounted the iso image to /mnt/isoimage
[10:24] <Dr_willis> _nAtic,  and you cd to that dir and see the files there?
[10:24] <_nAtic> yep
[10:24] <hepme> mount /path/to/broodwar.iso /path/to/mount -o loops
[10:24] <hepme> *loop
[10:24] <_nAtic> but starcraft asks me to insert the cd ^^
[10:24] <Dr_willis> you mean the GAME wants the cd? or the installer?
[10:24] <superjoe> dr, willis ok, so, whats the 1st stept
[10:24] <_nAtic> the game
[10:25] <_nAtic> there is no copyprotection
[10:25] <Dr_willis> _nAtic,  How do you know theres none?
[10:25] <_nAtic> -.-
[10:25] <hepme> you mean just to mount your cdrom?
[10:25] <_nAtic> there is a thing like windows.... Dr_willis
[10:25] <Dr_willis> May need to track down some better no-cd cracks for it. or configure your wine settings perhaps.
[10:25] <_nAtic> ah, great idea... wait, i'll try
[10:25] <Dr_willis> or check the wine forums/guides for that specific game and any tweaks needed to get it working.
[10:26] <_nAtic> (wine configs, i mean... there is no need for a no-cd crack or something
[10:26] <hepme> i bet kqemu could run games fast
[10:26] <superjoe> how do i look in kubuntu to see what wireless card I have?
[10:26] <_nAtic> kqemu?
[10:26] <Dr_willis> superjoe,  check the kubuntu forums on wireless.
[10:26] <hepme> the accelerator for qemu, not free though :(
[10:26] <nabla> Hi, has anybody had DCopserver trying to access the kde wallet?
[10:26] <Yakotey> hi all
[10:26] <Dr_willis> No need for a no-cd crack? Copyprotection is one of the biggest stumbling blocks with Wine and its relatives...
[10:27] <Dr_willis> superjoe,  the 'lspci' command is  normally used to see the cards you got.
[10:27] <Yakotey> need help : I just made a full upgrade and I lost Windows Xp option on my grub
[10:28] <hepme> why do people game on pc's anyway when it's so much smoother on a console box
[10:28] <Dr_willis> why to people game at all.. its a waste of time.
[10:29] <_nAtic> hm... winetools won't start -.-
[10:29] <Dr_willis> to be honest.. i find gaming better on pc's :) but i dont game much any more.
[10:29] <hepme> yeah, i dont do it, no game has impressed me enough yet. i'm waitin for virtual reality games
[10:29] <hepme> WII is close but not close enough
[10:29] <windwalker> fdoving, I installed x11vnc, but I have problems with mouse and keyboard. I can move the mouse over objects, but I cannot do anything more. Can you tell me the process using Desktop Sharing. I want to kill it...with pleasure.
[10:29] <Dr_willis> Its possible you have it set to 'view only' windwalker
[10:30] <windwalker> sure not
[10:30] <_nAtic> hm... you all use kubuntu, or ubuntu?
[10:30] <windwalker> even last session was fine with Desktop Sharing and the same viewer. As I said if I move over a object I can se context menus appearing
[10:30] <_nAtic> kubuntu has its own repositories, maintained by the ubuntu team, right?
[10:31] <superjoe> what forum should I go to for a guide on setting up my wireless network
[10:31] <morphado> hello can some one help me
[10:31] <fdoving> windwalker: sorry, i'm not into desktop sharing, i know very little about it.
[10:31] <soulrider> _nAtic: i use kubuntu
[10:31] <fdoving> morphado: depends what your problem is.
[10:31] <_nAtic> kubuntu has its own repositories, maintained by the ubuntu team, right? soulrider
[10:31] <soulrider> _nAtic: i think kubuntu and ubuntu use the same repos
[10:31] <morphado> i have a problem with kubuntu 6.10 shutdown
[10:31] <bobleny> Ok, partition I need to mount is hdb2 which is an ext'd, when I run this command, "mount -t vfat /dev/hdb2 /media/windows", I get and error. How do I mount an ext'd partition?
[10:31] <soulrider> the only difference is that kubuntu has kde instead of gnome
[10:31] <_nAtic> yeah, so do i
[10:31] <Dr_willis> I tend to use Tightvnc, or Vnc4Server and have 'hidden' desktops. ive not used x11vnc  that i can rember.
[10:31] <coreymon77> guys
[10:31] <morphado> i tried acpi = force but no help
[10:31] <_nAtic> i just want to know, if there are a lot of problems with that...
[10:32] <Dr_willis> bobbyd,  ext'd --- means what exactly?
[10:32] <coreymon77> has jpg previewing been disabled in lubuntu edgy for some reason?
[10:32] <_nAtic> suse linux has no such thing... the repos are run by some hobby-students :] 
[10:32] <soulrider> _nAtic: no problems at all
[10:32] <soulrider> _nAtic: suse sucks
[10:32] <_nAtic> and i get a few probs... does not mean suse suxx, it is maybe my fault
[10:32] <soulrider> i installed it and didnt lasta  week on my machine, YAST sucked ass
[10:32] <bobleny> IDK, but I think it's short for extended...
[10:33] <soulrider> _nAtic: kubutu is much better ;)
[10:33] <bobleny> I realize, I can't actually mount the extended partition though...
[10:33] <soulrider> im so bored.....
[10:33] <_nAtic> kubuntu has no yast :P
[10:33] <_nAtic> no ifstatus
[10:34] <soulrider> yast is terrible
[10:34] <soulrider> and, suse uses RPM, we use deb
[10:34] <_nAtic> don't know the difference
[10:34] <soulrider> i also tried mandriva... and it was installed for  around 30 minutes :P
[10:34] <_nAtic> why should deb be better?
[10:34] <soulrider> _nAtic: apparently it is
[10:34] <morphado> i have a problem with kubuntu 6.10 shutdown
[10:34] <morphado> i have a problem with kubuntu 6.10 shutdown
[10:34] <_nAtic> i have mandrake 8.0 over here
[10:34] <HymnToLife> that's the mein thing I have against Suse/MAndriva/Fedora
[10:34] <goodthing> bobleny: entended or primary should not matter, you should only be sure to mount the partition INSIDE the extended part in the case it is an extended part on the disk
[10:34] <HymnToLife> the damn RPM thingie
[10:34] <soulrider> morphado: how about elaborating a bit ?
[10:34] <HymnToLife> main*
[10:34] <_nAtic> so why?
[10:35] <morphado> soulrider what do u mean
[10:35] <goodthing> bobleny: and what error?
[10:35] <soulrider> explain you problem in depht
[10:35] <morphado> ok
[10:35] <nabla> Sometimes when I reboot into Kubuntu, DCopserver asks for access to the kdewallet and screws up KnetworkManager , any ideas?
[10:35] <_nAtic> use ifup
[10:36] <_nAtic> use ifup nabla
[10:36] <nabla> I have to restart the KnetworkManager process.
[10:36] <morphado> when i shutdown the screen close but the computer hangs on
[10:36] <soulrider> nabla: what kind of connection do you have ?
[10:36] <nabla> ifup? what for?
[10:36] <nabla> Wireless conenction.
[10:36] <soulrider> morphado: i dont know what the problem mey bae. try looking int he forums ( http://ubuntuforums.org ) maybe the answer is there
[10:36] <soulrider> sorry, cant help you there nabla
[10:37] <_nAtic> ifup works perfectly
[10:37] <nabla> I think I got around it by clearing the password used for the wallet, but I don't like doing that.
[10:37] <morphado> ok they proposed a solution by adding a line to menu.lst
[10:37] <bobleny> First, hdb only has 3 partitons, hdb1, which is boot at FAT32, hdb2 at EXT'd and hdb5 at FAT32.
[10:37] <morphado> but it only don't work they sais it is a bug in the kernet
[10:37] <cavallinux> hola
[10:38] <Dr_willis> You mount hdb5 then , ignore hdb2 if its an extended partition, its actually holding hdb5
[10:38] <cavallinux> hello
[10:38] <cavallinux> hi
[10:38] <cavallinux> xD
[10:38] <bobleny> hdb 5 was my windows "D:\" drive.
[10:38] <cavallinux> ;)
[10:38] <cavallinux> :D
[10:38] <cavallinux> bye
[10:39] <bobleny> when I try to mount hdb2, I get this error, ""
[10:39] <nabla> well I have no problems using my Wireless connection, only that the damn DCopserver for some reason wants access to the kdewallet and when it does so KnetworkManager gets screwed and I have to restart knetwork process to regain Wireless access.
[10:39] <bobleny> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2,
[10:39] <bobleny>        missing codepage or other error
[10:39] <bobleny>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[10:39] <bobleny>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[10:39] <bobleny>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:39] <bobleny>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:39] <goodthing> !pastebin | bobleny
[10:39] <fdoving> !pastebin | bobleny
[10:39] <ubotu> bobleny: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:39] <soulrider> bobleny: please use the apstebin
[10:39] <Dr_willis> bobbyd,  i jsut said.. you DONT mount hdb2 if its an extended partition, its Holding hdb5 - you mount hdb5
[10:40] <nabla> I know other people have the same problem.
[10:40] <nabla> Its annoying.
[10:40] <soulrider> !motu
[10:40] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:40] <bobleny> oh, sorry, I never herd of a pastebin...
[10:41] <Dr_willis> pastebining the generic 'mount failed' error message isent too handy anyway. :)
[10:42] <Dr_willis> i am getting my nicks messed up.. :)
[10:42] <bobleny> well, if hdb2 is holding hdb5, then hdb1 is the drive I want :)
[10:42] <Dr_willis> bobleny,   (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside?)
[10:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:43] <Dr_willis> Mount both of them and see whats inside.. like a fortune cookie.
[10:44] <bobleny> I didnt know hdb2 was etended when I tried to mount it
[10:44] <Dr_willis> 'fdisk -l' shows a lot of handy info. :)
[10:44] <bobleny> Mr_willis was too late intelling me not to mount it
[10:44] <Dr_willis> windows likes to use extend3ed partitions all over the place.. I tend to use all primaries
[10:45] <bobleny> I don't like windows....
[10:45] <bobleny> Thats why I have Ubuntu!
[10:46] <goodthing> bobleny: so what happens when you try and mount /dev/hda5 as fat32?
[10:46] <Dr_willis> Now its time to learn how to use linux. :)
[10:46] <bobleny> I get the "D:\" drive in windows, I needed the "C:\"
[10:47] <goodthing> right, then you probable need to mount hda1, but again use fdisk -l to look into that
[10:47] <bobleny> Do you know what the linux equvlant of "Windows Explorer" is?
[10:48] <Dr_willis> bobleny,  dont make me get out my hammer again.
[10:48] <Dr_willis> KDE uses Konqueror as its file manager and as a web browser.
[10:48] <Dr_willis> thers proberly about 20+ OTHER file managers you could use also.
[10:48] <bobleny> Yeah, I know. I wish it didnt
[10:48] <Dr_willis> some even try to emulate windows lame interface.
[10:48] <HymnToLife> bobleny, what's wrong with Konq ?
[10:48] <bobleny> No, I don't want to do that
[10:48] <Dr_willis> wich what diddnet?
[10:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:49] <bobleny> I just dont like konqorer
[10:49] <Dr_willis> Once you learn how Konqueror works.. you will spit on Explorer.
[10:49] <fdoving> tried krusader?
[10:49] <Dr_willis> you are falling down the same MS mentality. :) "I knwo MS.. so i want MS"
[10:49] <dhq> need help setting up bluetooth i cannot discover bluetooth from my cell nothing i am using a intel dell latitude d505 laptop bluetooth builtin
[10:49] <bobleny> I like the simplicity of windows explorer...
[10:49] <Dr_willis> Then install somthing else..
[10:49] <bobleny> Like what?
[10:50] <Dr_willis> google.com  'linux file managers'
[10:50] <Dr_willis> "_
[10:50] <coreymon77> guys
[10:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:50] <coreymon77> can you answer my question
[10:50] <fdoving> bobleny: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm is a good read.
[10:50] <coreymon77> has jpeg previewing been disabled in edgy for some reason
[10:50] <bobleny> Ok corey, ill shut up...
[10:50] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  not that ive noticed.
[10:50] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  its working here.
[10:51] <coreymon77> cause for some reason, since since ive upgraqded to edgy and kde 355, it hasnt worked
[10:51] <Dr_willis> it can be disabled with an option. perhaos it got set some how.
[10:51] <coreymon77> other image formats work fine though
[10:52] <Dr_willis> thats odd.
[10:52] <Crell> Happy New Year, all.
[10:52] <coreymon77> and the kde channel says its not a problem on their end either
[10:52] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  try making a new user, and see if it affects them also.
[10:53] <coreymon77> okay
[10:53] <coreymon77> ill try that
[10:53] <vulcanius> when compiling a new kernel... or rather when recompiling the same kernel for performance tuning reasons is it still necessary to recompile the proprietary ati/nvidia drivers afterwards?
[10:53] <coreymon77> Dr_willis: ill be back
[10:54] <Crell> I'm having an issue with K3b under Edgy.  I'm trying to burn some DVD ISO images, but it seems every other burn attempt fails.  K3b claims it succeeds, but it ends up burning only a small fraction of the disk.  The dialog includes the error "unable to WRITE@LBA=10h: Input/output error".
[10:54] <Crell> When I hit burn a second time, though, it works fine.
[10:54] <Dr_willis> vulcanius,  the version #'s may differ. or the old modules may get cleaned out.   so it may be needed to reinstall/recompile them
[10:54] <Crell> Any idea how I can manage to burn things without creating one coaster per image? :-)
[10:55] <vulcanius> Dr_willis: k, thanks man
[10:55] <dhq> Dr_willis: need help setting up bluetooth i cannot discover bluetooth from my cell nothing i am using a intel dell latitude d505 laptop bluetooth builtin
[10:56] <lajene> Hi, can anyone help me setting up my dualscreen?
[10:56] <cathal> since u mentioned burning, i have a problem reading verbatim discs, even thoush i just burned something on to them with K3B
[10:56] <Dr_willis> dhq,  bluetooth is such a hassle..  :) i relber gettting it working once ages ago.. i installed a lot of kde-bluetooth things and read the wiki page.. edited some pin file by hand.. and it magicially worked... once. :)
[10:56] <Dr_willis> lajene,  what is your video card?
[10:57] <dhq> Dr_willis: where do i get more info on setting it up
[10:57] <lajene> Dr_willis: Its onboard on my dell inspiron 1150, how can i see the brand of the videocard?
[10:57] <Dr_willis> dhq,  the ubuntu wiki/forums is where i looked.
[10:58] <Dr_willis> lajene,  look at the docs for the machine? lspci output? what does the box say? :)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> lajene,  for nvidia and ati cards - you will need to isntall the ati or nvidia drivers for whatever you have.
[10:59] <lajene> Dr_willis: Im no shark at ubuntu, its my first installation of any other os than windows:) as far as i remember its an Intel card
[10:59] <lajene> will try looking it up at dell.com
[11:02] <fritsch> lajene: just do: lspci
[11:02] <fritsch> lajene: in a terminal
[11:03] <fritsch> lajene: it will tell you everything, just look for VGA
[11:03] <lajene> Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
[11:04] <lajene> How do i setup dualscreen with that graphics card?
[11:04] <coreymon77> Dr_willis: it works on the other account
[11:05] <ejm> !kde
[11:05] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[11:05] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  that imples its some goofy user setting.  in your .kde dir - ive seen issues with that in the past. Tell that to the #KDE guys and they can proberly help ya pinpoint what one.. or do a hard core clean out of .kde :)
[11:06] <ejm> I'm trying to update kubuntu to kde 3.5.5 if it exists
[11:07] <Dr_willis> ejm,  thats what im using right now.. :) i dont recall doing nything special to get it.. heh
[11:07] <Dr_willis> or did i update my sources.list a long time ago?
[11:07] <lajene> Dr_willis: I have heard about "cinematix" or stomething like  that, was the way of doing it. But it just loads and then quits without a word
[11:07] <Dr_willis> lajene,  you need to get the proper video card drivers working for your video card (whatever it is) then check in to enabling xinerama for your card also.
[11:08] <Dr_willis> Ive not touched an Intel based video card in ages.. so cant help ya there if its an intel card.
[11:08] <Crell> No one knwos about DVD burning issues?
[11:08] <Crell> knows.  (bah)
[11:08] <ejm> what intel card?
[11:08] <ejm> I'm an intel user.
[11:09] <ejm> I'll tell you right now that 3d accel. sucks on it, so it's better to get an nvidia if you can.
[11:10] <ejm> Dr_willis, is there a webpage that has where the repo. for kde 3.5.5 is?
[11:10] <lajene> I cant, its not possible to change the vga card on my laptop:( I know how to download drivers to Windows, but where do i find drivers to ubuntu?
[11:10] <ejm> it should be installed automatically.
[11:10] <Dr_willis> ejm,  check the Kubuntu homepage/forums/wiki perhaps?
[11:11] <ejm> are you wanting xgl or beryl? because I'll tell you now--they don't work, and when they do, the rendering speed is so crappy that using Firefox and nothing else will be a challenge!
[11:11] <ejm> doh!
[11:11] <ejm> lol
[11:11] <ejm> just found it!
[11:12] <Dr_willis> ejm,  i think i just apt-get updated, and upgraded and got it. i dont see any kde specific entrys in my sources.list
[11:12] <ejm> wish I'd kept firefox up for a second sooner.
[11:12] <ejm> ok
[11:12] <Crell> ejm: I find that varies widely with the video card in question.
[11:12] <ejm> I don't like using apt-get for some reason. I prefer synaptic or adept
[11:12] <ejm> what intel card are you using?
[11:13] <ejm> I have an intel 915.
[11:13] <Dr_willis> are a lot of the  repositories slow/lagged/down at this time? i heard mention of an earthquake in tiwan or somwhere..
[11:14] <ejm> well, I just got my kubuntu started for the first time.
[11:14] <ejm> Coming from a suse world, it ain't too bad.
[11:14] <ejm> but, I'd like this crappy silicon agp card to work a lot Faster!
[11:15] <Kr4t05> ejm: What brand is it?
[11:15] <Crell> Dr_willis: There was an earthquake near Taiwan a few days ago that knocked out a lot of Asian network hubs.  If you're not going through an Asian server, though, it shouldn't have a drastic effect on your Net.
[11:15] <ejm> I'm not sure. oh hang on.
[11:16] <Kr4t05> ejm: run 'glxinfo' from a terminal
[11:16] <ejm> SiS6326
[11:16] <ejm> I don't have direct rendering.
[11:16] <Kr4t05> Oh...
[11:16] <Kr4t05> Man, get an nVidia. :P
[11:16] <ejm> That's what I did first. I haven't done much looking around yet, so I'm not in a big hurry.
[11:16] <ejm> yeah
[11:17] <ejm> You can run anything with an nvidia, and it'll be fast.
[11:17] <Kr4t05> ATI needs to get their act together with drivers before I'll consider them.
[11:17] <ejm> I bet it's so old that the rendering on it'll be horrid if I get it working.
[11:17] <draik> fdoving: What do I backup if I want to do  complete backup of kubuntu?
[11:17] <ejm> hah
[11:18] <ejm> suse 10.2 won't work with ati anymore.
[11:18] <draik> I have only used 3.2GB and I can back that up on a blank DVD
[11:18] <ejm> too many bugs.
[11:18] <Crell> ATI = open source and crappy.  nVidia = closed source but pretty good.  That's been the status for many years now. :-(
[11:18] <draik> I just don't know what to backup
[11:18] <Dr_willis> Crell,  ive noticed my torrent downloads are low also. :P
[11:18] <Crell> That could be, if there's fewer people on them.
[11:18] <ejm> I'd rather have a closed source driver that supports linux really good and users will curse with the brand name.
[11:19] <ejm> than an open source driver that sucks.
[11:19] <ejm> like intel
[11:19] <Crell> Agreed, right up until they start putting DRM into the drivers.
[11:19] <ejm> ouch! the agp card's opengl 1.2 compliant!
[11:20] <ejm> I got this crappy tower from a guy who gets stuff from the college here.
[11:20] <ejm> It's got a slot 1 pentium 3.
[11:20] <ejm> which explains quite a bit.
[11:20] <Kr4t05> ejm: I can recommend a good OpenGL 2.0 with shaders and decent drivers for under $50
[11:20] <Kr4t05> Oh...
[11:21] <soulrider> Crell: why would they put DRM on hteir drivers?
[11:21] <draik> If I want to create a complete backup of my kubuntu partition which is only using up 3.2GB, how would I back it up to fit on one blank DVD?
[11:21] <ejm> only 256 ram..and a PS that I "modded" to fit in.
[11:21] <Crell> Enforcing HDMI?
[11:21] <Kr4t05> soulrider: To keep an eye on their users. The same way Sony added a rootkit to their music CDs.
[11:21] <soulrider> 3.2 gb fit on one DVD
[11:22] <Dr_willis> draik,  may want to check in to the 'mondo/mindi' tools - it can  make self-bootable restore disk sets.
[11:22] <draik> Dr_willis: mondo/mindi?
[11:22] <Dr_willis> draik,  thats  the name. :)
[11:22] <Dr_willis> !info mondo
[11:22] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[11:22] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: I would do that, but it would take about 27 CD-R :P
[11:22] <Dr_willis> !Info mindi
[11:22] <ubotu> mindi: creates boot/root disks based on your system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.09-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 152 kB, installed size 732 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 ia64)
[11:22] <Kr4t05> 30.67GB of data on my discs. :P
[11:23] <Dr_willis> Redundant-array-of-cheap-file-servers  come in handy
[11:23] <Dr_willis> 30gb? thats it?
[11:23] <soulrider> Kr4t05: i got around 200 gb of data =/
[11:23] <Dr_willis> 200gb? thats it?
[11:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:23] <ejm> I tried kde 4 on my suse laptop, and it looks good (with what works lol)
[11:23] <_Snatch_> hi
[11:23] <Dr_willis> i crammed this box full of hds.. got like 7 hd's and 1.25tb of drive space now. ;)
[11:23] <Kr4t05> soulrider: I intend to have a central server weighing in at 5TB when I get my own place.
[11:23] <soulrider> ok
[11:24] <soulrider> thats aweosme
[11:24] <soulrider> i got 2 HDs
[11:24] <soulrider> 240 gb total
[11:24] <soulrider> i try to put everything into DVDs
[11:24] <soulrider> but im SOOOOOOOOOO lazy :P
[11:24] <Kr4t05> 2 HDDs. 190GB total. :/
[11:24] <Kr4t05> No...
[11:24] <Kr4t05> 180GB*
[11:24] <soulrider> and udal layer DVDs are SO expensive
[11:24] <_Snatch_> can sombody tell me how to change the sources.list file????????
[11:24] <ejm> yeah
[11:24] <Kr4t05> My e-penis is small, but I make up for it. ;)
[11:24] <Dr_willis> _Snatch_,  its an ascii text file. use an editor you like
[11:25] <soulrider> _Snatch_: press alt f2 and type "kdesu kate /etc/sources/list"
[11:25] <ejm> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:25] <soulrider> sources.list sorry
[11:25] <Dr_willis> !souces
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about souces - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <ejm> whichever you perfer
[11:25] <Dr_willis> !apt
[11:25] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:25] <_Snatch_> thnx
[11:25] <soulrider> Kr4t05: lets face it, most of us who want ac rapload of storage dont really need it
[11:25] <ejm> I wish adept worked on suse.
[11:25] <ejm> synaptic does already.
[11:25] <soulrider> or need it for stuff thats not to nice to have :P
[11:26] <soulrider> doesnt suse use RPM ?
[11:26] <Kr4t05> soulrider: True.
[11:26] <Dr_willis> ya got those apt4rpm stuff :)
[11:26] <ejm> yeah
[11:26] <soulrider> Kr4t05: probably i dont even have 7 GB of legla stuff on my HDs
[11:27] <ejm> lol apt4rpm can kill an rpm distro so fast if you're not careful.
[11:27] <goodthing> Dr_willis: you can use 'apt-cache policy kdebase' for that, it's not the package you have installed, but it shows that kde 3.5.5 is in dapper kubuntu.org main, which is the standard sources.list afaik
[11:27] <Kr4t05> soulrider: Let me see here...
[11:28] <ejm> I really hate the dri on this card. it's murder to mess with adept's settings.
[11:28] <_Snatch_> soulrider: thanx so mux!
[11:30] <lajene> How come i  dont get any response when using "apt-cache search racing game"?
[11:31] <ejm> well, thank youi all for the konversation, but I'm going to be updating kde for a while lol. So, I'll be back after a while.
[11:31] <draik> Dr_willis: Laptop is on dapper
[11:31] <cntb> \o join dvd torrent http://pangea001.upc.es/ubuntu-dvd-torrents/
[11:31] <draik> Dr_willis: What should I backup? What locations from "/" should I backup?
[11:32] <goodthing> lajene: most likely you need to enable universe repository
[11:32] <Dr_willis> draik,  depends on what you want to backup. Mondo/Mindi can backup the whole system to bootable  restore media.
[11:33] <draik> I can't get mondo/mindi in dapper repos
[11:33] <Dr_willis> !info mondo
[11:33] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[11:33] <draik> I'm on the liveCD anyway
[11:33] <Dr_willis> not in dapper? ehh. hmm
[11:33] <Dr_willis> odd.
[11:33] <cntb> lajene: ?
[11:33] <fdoving> !info mondo dapper
[11:33] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.06-1 (dapper), package size 462 kB, installed size 1352 kB
[11:33] <lajene> cntb?:)
[11:33] <cntb> lajene try thus << sudo apt-cache search racing >>
[11:33] <lajene> goodthing: Let me just go find out how to enable universe repository:)
[11:34] <lajene> cntb: I will try that!
[11:34] <lajene> what does sudo mean?
[11:34] <Dr_willis> if you have a laptop and a desktop machine.  you could backup the hard drive partitions over ssh/samba/nfs/whatever to one large file i guess
[11:34] <cntb> gimme a break
[11:34] <goodthing> lajene: 'super user do' afaik
[11:34] <Kr4t05> !sudo
[11:34] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:34] <draik> I have a lag of 100s?!?!
[11:34] <cntb> !sudo
[11:34] <lajene> cntb: Didnt work, still dont get any response  interminal
[11:35] <cntb> !repos | lajene
[11:35] <ubotu> lajene: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:36] <draik> Dr_willis: no can do with ssh
[11:37] <draik> fdoving: What should I backup from the hdd? What locations from "/" do I backup?
[11:37] <cntb> ubuntu change nick /nick new
[11:38] <fdoving> draik: /home/ and 'dpkg --get-selections' ?
[11:39] <skchang> hi! i want to use kaffeine + dvbt but it does not find any channels. it finds the dvbt stick, it has a signal. does anyone know that problem?
[11:39] <skchang> and the signal "locked" is green...
[11:39] <cntb> lajene: command Alt-F2 > kdesu /usr/bin/software-properties
[11:40] <draik> fdoving: If I'm on the liveCD, will that get me the packages installed on the hdd?
[11:40] <cntb> draik:  dont think so
[11:40] <draik> didn't think so
[11:41] <fdoving> draik: no, you'll need to chroot into the installed environment.
[11:41] <draik> fdoving: How do I do that?
[11:41] <lajene> Think i got the whole adept thing to work! thanks!
[11:41] <draik> sudo chroot /media/hda5  ?
[11:41] <fdoving> draik: yes.
[11:42] <coreymon77> guys
[11:42] <_Snatch_> what
[11:42] <draik> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[11:42] <_Snatch_> ?
[11:42] <cntb> Cheers lajene
[11:42] <coreymon77> does this wireless network adapter require ndiswrapper
[11:42] <coreymon77> ?
[11:42] <coreymon77> http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=179211
[11:42] <cntb> lajene try thus << sudo apt-cache search racing >> OK now ?
[11:43] <draik> fdoving: I got this error
[11:43] <draik> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[11:43] <lajene> cntb: Yes it works now:)
[11:43] <slow-motion> n8
[11:43] <_Snatch_> coreymon77: use the second option in the wireless assistant
[11:43] <fdoving> draik: is it mounted as noexec?
[11:43] <_Snatch_> it works for me fine
[11:43] <draik> fdoving: shouldn't be
[11:43] <fdoving> draik: how did you mount it?
[11:43] <_Snatch_> its the wlan0
[11:43] <coreymon77> _Snatch_: so it doesnt?
[11:44] <draik> system settings
[11:44] <coreymon77> wait a se
[11:44] <coreymon77> c
[11:44] <_Snatch_> i didnt need it
[11:45] <Tann> Hello?
[11:45] <coreymon77> guys
[11:45] <coreymon77> _Snatch_: continue on, talking to tann, its his card
[11:45] <lajene> apt is my new best friend:)
[11:46] <coreymon77> _Snatch_: explain to Tann how to get his card to work without ndiswrapper
[11:46] <_Snatch_> sorry
[11:46] <coreymon77> ???
[11:47] <_Snatch_> i just didnt have any problem using the wireless card
[11:47] <Tann> weird
[11:47] <fdoving> draik:
[11:47] <coreymon77> _Snatch_: its the same adapter
[11:47] <_Snatch_> i dunno wat to tell him
[11:47] <coreymon77> what you told me
[11:47] <draik> fdoving:
[11:47] <Tann> ok
[11:47] <_Snatch_> ok
[11:47] <coreymon77> the adapter is his, not mine
[11:47] <Tann> ok
[11:47] <fdoving> draik: sorry, hit enter too early. 'sudo mount -o remount,defaults /media/hda5' from the console.
[11:47] <_Snatch_> Tann: open the wireless assistant
[11:48] <Tann> ?
[11:48] <_Snatch_> in the menu
[11:48] <coreymon77> oh wait, crap
[11:48] <Tann> I have ubuntu
[11:48] <coreymon77> i think hes using ubuntu
[11:48] <coreymon77> deos it matter?
[11:48] <Tann> yes
[11:48] <Tann> ubuntu has 3 menues
[11:48] <_Snatch_> doesnt matter
[11:48] <_Snatch_> i thimk
[11:48] <Tann> it shouldn't
[11:49] <coreymon77> just look for a wireless assistant program in one of the 3 menus
[11:49] <Tann> it is just a different de
[11:49] <Tann> ok
[11:49] <Tann> none
[11:49] <_Snatch_> on wireless assistant
[11:49] <Tann> nope
[11:49] <_Snatch_> NONE???????
[11:49] <coreymon77> ???
[11:50] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[11:50] <_Snatch_> install it using synaptic or adept!
[11:51] <skchang> i got a problem. i put my dvbt stick on a usb 2.0 port but it is not connected with full speed? what is the problem here?!
[11:52] <coreymon77> Tann: its called gtkwifi for you
[11:52] <_Snatch_> excuse me Tann, Can anybody tell me how to get libdvdcss2
[11:52] <Tann> ok
[11:52] <_Snatch_> Can anybody tell me how to get libdvdcss2??
[11:52] <Dr_willis> !info dvdcss2
[11:52] <ubotu> Package dvdcss2 does not exist in any distro I know
[11:53] <Dr_willis> the bot can.. and the faq/wikis can
[11:53] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[11:53] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:54] <coreymon77> _Snatch_: maybe we should be doing this in the ubuntu channel
[11:54] <cntb> where in kUbuntu can I tune current color depth ?
[11:55] <coreymon77> _Snatch_: should we ask in the ubuntu channel?
[11:55] <_Snatch_> yup
[11:55] <_Snatch_> i agree
[11:55] <_Snatch_> i just entered
[11:56] <coreymon77> Tann: go to #ubuntu
[11:56] <Tann> I am there
[11:57] <nabla> I think you can get it from the videolan website, thats where I got it.
[11:58] <skchang> how can i disable ohci-hcd? i only need ehci-hcd...
[11:58] <draik> fdoving: Sorry, still won't do it
[11:58] <draik> fdoving: same error...
[11:58] <draik> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[12:00] <fdoving> draik: then i  don't know. I need to go to bed, work early. nite and good luck.
[12:00] <draik> g'night. thanks again fdoving
[12:00] <crimsun> draik, where is the chroot located?
[12:04] <crimsun> draik, as in, which device? Is it on an external usb device?
[12:04] <draik> crimsun: sorry, I was away.
[12:05] <draik> crimsun: Its internal hdd... hda5
[12:05] <draik> crimsun: I'm on the liveCD
[12:06] <crimsun> draik, check the mount options for that partition (make sure noexec is not present)
[12:06] <draik> I'm actually about to nuke the entire hdd
[12:07] <draik> crimsun: I'm going to nuke all partitions and just have 2 partitions... Kubuntu and Swap
[12:09] <cntb> where in kUbuntu can I tune current color depth ?
[12:09] <cntb> where in kUbuntu can I tune current color depth ? pls important
[12:09] <bobleny> Hey, how do I make the forward and back buttons on my mouse work?
[12:10] <njee> cntb: I've always edited a text file to change the colour depth
[12:11] <njee> type "sudo kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at a terminal
[12:11] <njee> inside that file search for a value called "defaultdepth"
[12:12] <njee> mine is set to 24, you can change it to 16, 8
[12:12] <njee> save that file and then press CTRL, ALT, Backspace to restart X
[12:13] <njee> bobleny: not sure, I haven't gotten mine to work either