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| superm1 | crimsun, do you have a few moments to chat about those things i was doing in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend? | 12:21 |
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| crimsun | superm1, which things? | 12:21 |
| superm1 | well the package is a new package i was going to introduce - and it is a metapackage which should handle some configuration stuff too | 12:22 |
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| superm1 | particularly a gdm autologin, and a custom openbox menu | 12:22 |
| superm1 | so i wasn't sure if what i did with it to make it work was kosher | 12:22 |
| superm1 | i made two conf files in /etc/mythtv, diverted the originals /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom-original and the same sort of thing for openbox conf. i then made a symlink from /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to the conf file in /etc/mythtv | 12:23 |
| superm1 | so if ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is uninstalled, symlink goes away | 12:24 |
| superm1 | and diversion is reversed | 12:24 |
| superm1 | the idea is supposed to be, you install ubuntu command line system, install the package - and restart and your up and running | 12:25 |
| crimsun | xubuntu-default-settings does something similar | 12:25 |
| crimsun | that seems fine | 12:25 |
| superm1 | alright very good then | 12:25 |
| superm1 | i'll look at xubuntu-default-settings and compare whats done there for other ideas too | 12:26 |
| superm1 | oh it does it a bit cleaner using update-alternatives | 12:27 |
| superm1 | rather than manual symlinks | 12:27 |
| crimsun | right | 12:27 |
| superm1 | is there any other advantage other than it looking cleaner to use update-alternatives for this? | 12:28 |
| crimsun | well, by using the alternatives system, you get to use what Debian provides | 12:29 |
| crimsun | so it's not just cosmetic | 12:29 |
| superm1 | what do you mean by what "Debian provides", you mean as in the ability to easily switch between the two? | 12:30 |
| crimsun | using update-alternatives, yes | 12:30 |
| superm1 | ah i see | 12:30 |
| superm1 | i'll have to experiment a little with it then. i'll switch it over to that then | 12:30 |
| superm1 | elsewise, was there anything else sticking out about the packaging that would need some work still? | 12:31 |
| crimsun | well, last I checked out, the upstream changelog entries for mythtv and mythplugins were still missing | 12:31 |
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| superm1 | you mean upstream as in mythtv upstream, not debian-multimedia upstream? | 12:32 |
| crimsun | the latter | 12:32 |
| crimsun | all the entries by Christian | 12:33 |
| superm1 | i've updated to make sure i have all of christian's entries | 12:33 |
| superm1 | what revision were you at for each | 12:33 |
| crimsun | ok, I can checkout shortly | 12:33 |
| superm1 | okay | 12:33 |
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| TheMuso | Happy new year for those in the UK. | 01:00 |
| crimsun | and to you. | 01:02 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: I'm in Australia. :) Just thought I'd make those behind us in time welcome. :) | 01:03 |
| TheMuso | How long until midnight for you crimsun? | 01:03 |
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| crimsun | 4h 53m | 01:07 |
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| joejaxx | Hello Everyone | 02:32 |
| joejaxx | :) | 02:32 |
| joejaxx | Happy New Years (GMT) | 02:32 |
| joejaxx | -32 minutes lol | 02:33 |
| crimsun | yeah, a bit tardy there ;) | 02:37 |
| joejaxx | ;) | 02:37 |
| crimsun | like, an hour and 37 minutes ;) | 02:37 |
| joejaxx | haha | 02:37 |
| joejaxx | lol | 02:37 |
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| joejaxx | this is weird | 02:40 |
| joejaxx | i created a initrd for this kernel | 02:40 |
| joejaxx | and it hangs on trying to mount the root filesystem | 02:41 |
| joejaxx | let me reboot this | 02:42 |
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| LaserJock | hi people | 02:58 |
| crimsun | 'lo. | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | crimsun! | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | how's it going? | 02:59 |
| freeflying|away | hi LaserJock crimsun | 02:59 |
| crimsun | not bad, merging, and you? | 02:59 |
| crimsun | hi freeflying|notaway | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | I'm leaving for home tomorrow morning | 03:00 |
| crimsun | MT? | 03:00 |
| joejaxx | Hello LaserJock ! :) | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | the connection here at my parents is about 26k so I haven't been on much | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: from MT back to NV | 03:01 |
| crimsun | ah, NV. | 03:01 |
| crimsun | yeah, understandable RE: 26kbps | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: hi, how are you doing? | 03:06 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i am doing well | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | how are the fluxbuntu packages going? | 03:07 |
| joejaxx | quite interesting | 03:08 |
| joejaxx | i am going to have to rebuild half of the ubuntu support packages | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | why? | 03:08 |
| joejaxx | they are pulling applications | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | for instances | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | instance* | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | what do you mean by dupport packages? | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | language-support-en | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | *support | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | ah | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | pulls openoffice.org-writer | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if it could be made more modular or something | 03:11 |
| joejaxx | i wonder why it is that way though | 03:11 |
| joejaxx | debian has language support application specific ie firefox-locale-en | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | well, like many things in Ubuntu, trying to pull things together into a supportable set | 03:12 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | at least that's what I would guess | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | why make more packages if you know what packages you need support for | 03:13 |
| joejaxx | well becuase it is part of the fluxbuntu live seed | 03:14 |
| crimsun | I don't see why that would require rebuilding half of support packages, though | 03:14 |
| crimsun | it'd be easier to just Provide: whatever | 03:14 |
| crimsun | not technically correct, but it's much more straightforward | 03:14 |
| joejaxx | well because then it whould be grouped | 03:15 |
| joejaxx | just like it is now | 03:15 |
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| crimsun | right, but the smaller the deviation, the easier it'll be to maintain | 03:16 |
| crimsun | err, yeah. | 03:17 |
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| TheMuso | Ouch | 03:20 |
| crimsun | ja | 03:21 |
| crimsun | though I suppose it's a ripe time to split/perform maint | 03:21 |
| TheMuso | Yeah | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: why do you think that? :-) | 03:21 |
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| TheMuso | I have always been on the bad end of netsplits lately. | 03:22 |
| crimsun | vroom. | 03:22 |
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| LaserJock | I think I've only been on the bad end once | 03:23 |
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| TheMuso | i.e ended up with only one/two other people in the channel after the split. | 03:23 |
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| joejaxx | yay everyone is back | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | weither we want them or not ;-) | 03:24 |
| thecore | LaserJock: eh | 03:25 |
| thecore | hello LaserJock | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | hi thecore | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | hmm, seems like we could use a Merge Day | 03:32 |
| crimsun | pretty much what I'm doing atm | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | well, we need more then "crimson rules Universe" Days ;-) | 03:35 |
| crimsun | cool, need to meet this crimson | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | that's not fair to you | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | bah | 03:35 |
| joejaxx | LOL | 03:35 |
| joejaxx | how did the amount of merges increase? | 03:35 |
| crimsun | MoM ran again, I suspect | 03:36 |
| joejaxx | oh i thought it runs once and then all the merges are checked | 03:36 |
| joejaxx | manually* | 03:36 |
| joejaxx | i did not know it runs more than once | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | anybody know if it's relatively easy to get the importance of a Debian bug? | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: when it's active and working I think MoM runs every 6-24 hrs | 03:37 |
| joejaxx | "alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. dropping to a shell!" << that must not be good | 03:37 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: oh ok | 03:37 |
| crimsun | I'm not terribly familiar w/ the internals, but one should be able to grep for severity in the bug report | 03:38 |
| crimsun | I suspect there's a much more elegant manner | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking that what we really need is a list of bugs of a certain severity that have been closed in Debian since the Ubuntu version | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | and on a per/package basis | 03:39 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 03:40 |
| joejaxx | how whould one compile such a list? | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | we need to easily see what syncs are worthwile | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | or merges for that matter | 03:40 |
| crimsun | inspecting the appropriate source packages' BTS entries | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | there is also an email sent when a bug is closed | 03:41 |
| crimsun | they're grouped by severity in BTS output; that may be one approach | 03:41 |
| crimsun | you probably want to poke buxy for ideas, LaserJock | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | I've just been thinking lately that prioritization is one of the things we are lacking quite a bit | 03:42 |
| crimsun | yeah, the popcon approach is a bit lacking currently | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | if we can't do *everything* we at least need to be able to know what's more important | 03:43 |
| joejaxx | so the process whould be | 03:43 |
| crimsun | I've been doing it manually (trawling BTS for RC bugs in the packages I touch) | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, we just should try to automate that | 03:44 |
| joejaxx | 1. get a merge 2. look for a critical bug that has been closed 3. set to a high priority for merging? | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | well, I would like to see something like a list of all outdated packages in Ubuntu that have RC bugs fixed in Debian | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | and the same thing for lower severities too | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | not just for merges | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | but for just a general idea of where we are with respect to Debian | 03:45 |
| crimsun | check for a higher Debian source package version, inspect BTS, retrieve resolved RC bugs that fit the version constraints between Ubuntu and Debian, repeat, sort list | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | yep | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | I wonder how big the the Debian BTS is to download | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | if one had a local cache of it creating the list could be quite quick | 03:48 |
| crimsun | well, you wouldn't need everything from BTS | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | true | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | but it might be more efficent to cache it | 03:50 |
| crimsun | well, here's where PTS will help | 03:52 |
| crimsun | it already provides links to RC bugs | 03:52 |
| crimsun | granted, those are the -open- ones | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that would be good too | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | darn it, I keep thinking of all kinds of info that would be useful | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | and it'd be nice if LP could handle all this | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | I'll just have to sign the NDA and dive in ;-) j/k | 03:53 |
| crimsun | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=SOURCEPACKAGENAME&archive=no&pend-exc=pending-fixed&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I'll have to think about this | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | cbx33 offered to help writing some MOTU scripts | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I'm off again | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | cya guys | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | and gals | 04:06 |
| joejaxx | Goodnight LaserJock | 04:06 |
| crimsun | 'night | 04:06 |
| joejaxx | crimsun: i am trying to do another merge :) | 04:07 |
| crimsun | great | 04:07 |
| Q-FUNK | http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib/log.planner_0.14-10.html | 04:08 |
| Q-FUNK | can anyone make sense of this? | 04:08 |
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| joejaxx | crimsun: if there is a conflict does MoM normally not state what conflicts? | 04:33 |
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| joejaxx | for example | 04:41 |
| joejaxx | for opencv it has a conflict section in the report | 04:42 |
| crimsun | joejaxx, the files contain diff markers | 04:42 |
| crimsun | back after NY's | 04:43 |
| joejaxx | ok | 04:43 |
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| joejaxx | he /win 25 | 05:10 |
| joejaxx | bah | 05:10 |
| joejaxx | anyone else here? | 05:21 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:21 |
| joejaxx | i am probably the only one still on the computer | 05:21 |
| somerville32 | :] | 05:32 |
| somerville32 | Oh crap | 05:32 |
| somerville32 | We all agreed we were going to ignore joejaxx, right? | 05:32 |
| somerville32 | gah! | 05:32 |
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| joejaxx | LOL | 05:33 |
| joejaxx | of course all the irc clients come with /ignore joejaxx by default :P | 05:33 |
| joejaxx | somerville32: what are you still doing on irc on new years? | 05:35 |
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| somerville32 | And has no life to boot | 05:38 |
| somerville32 | :D | 05:38 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:38 |
| joejaxx | somerville32: i am trying to figure out why "/dev/sda1 does not exist" when i try to boot with this new kernel | 05:39 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:39 |
| joejaxx | it is not like i forgot to enable scsi disk support in the kernel | 05:39 |
| somerville32 | Doesn't exist for me either | 05:40 |
| joejaxx | somerville32: you probably do not have scsi discs :P | 05:40 |
| somerville32 | sda1 has always been my USB disk for me | 05:40 |
| joejaxx | yeah usbdrives come up as sda1 on my ide based computers as well | 05:41 |
| somerville32 | Welp, time for sleep! :D | 05:41 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 05:41 |
| somerville32 | @now atlantic | 05:41 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Canada/Atlantic: January 01 2007, 00:42:00 | 05:42 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:42 |
| joejaxx | Good Night somerville32 | 05:42 |
| somerville32 | Good Night my friend | 05:42 |
| somerville32 | halt: Need to be root | 05:42 |
| somerville32 | Err.. | 05:42 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:43 |
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| joejaxx | Happy New Years EST | 06:06 |
| cypher1 | joejaxx, Happy New Year to you too ! | 06:12 |
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| joejaxx | cypher1: :D | 06:15 |
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| Toadstool | happy new year! | 11:11 |
| === enyc meepmeeps | ||
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| june | hey anyone know where i can get the falcon repository builder so that i can install it on a webserver which i don't have root privileges to? Is it even possible? I have a folder to which i have read write and execute access though | 12:35 |
| crimsun | june, you can pull it from Seveas's bzr. | 12:38 |
| crimsun | alternately, a number of sites mirror the deb | 12:38 |
| crimsun | note that not having root privileges makes installing the deb troublesome at best | 12:39 |
| june | yeah, and all i could find was a deb | 12:39 |
| crimsun | the source is available in his bzr. | 12:40 |
| june | no tarball? oh well, i guess i'll do it tomorow | 12:40 |
| june | i'm not on my computer right now, can't install bzr | 12:40 |
| june | heh, my mediawiki installation is going like crap too | 12:41 |
| Seveas | june, you can also grab the orig.tar.gz which is basicaly the upstream tarball | 12:45 |
| june | that might work better, actually, while you're hear seveas, you don't host wolfenstein: enemy territory or true combat: elite do you? | 12:46 |
| june | here even* | 12:46 |
| Seveas | no I don't | 12:47 |
| Seveas | I'm not really a gamer | 12:47 |
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| june | alright, the whole reason why i was after falcon was because i thought it might be worthwhile to host all of the games that arent in universerse (and those two will never be cause of the whole thing about being binary only) | 12:48 |
| june | plus games like cube, nexuiz and a few others, maybe some game demos as well, i would figure people would like to have a repository for those | 12:48 |
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| crimsun | eh? that's not entirely correct; they could be in multiverse if they were wrapped or used a script to download. | 12:49 |
| crimsun | it's the license (redistributability, among others) that ultimately matters | 12:50 |
| june | crimsun: huh, i suppose i've been mistaken then, what do you mean about redistributability? | 12:50 |
| crimsun | meaning that Canonical must have permission to host the binaries on its mirrors | 12:51 |
| cypher1 | arghh, when will open office be equivalent to MS office ? | 12:51 |
| june | huh... is that because they're a commercial entity? or does ANYONE require that permission? | 12:51 |
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| crimsun | june, anyone who attempts to mirror it should have explicit permission from id or whomever | 12:52 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:cypher1] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | ||
| cypher1 | :) | 12:53 |
| crimsun | ademan_kitchen_c, the only exception is if the EULA for, say, rtcw states explicitly that free redistribution is allowed | 12:53 |
| cypher1 | crimsun, hope thats ok.. i removed "the REVU DAY" part | 12:53 |
| crimsun | cypher1, sure | 12:53 |
| ademan_kitchen_c | ah ok, and what about strictly GPL programs? | 12:53 |
| crimsun | ademan, well, strictly GPL programs should have no problem going into universe. | 12:54 |
| ademan_kitchen_c | crimsun: true | 12:54 |
| cypher1 | !seen cypher | 12:55 |
| ubotu | I last saw Cypher (i=DarkLinu@82.114.171.34) 2h 59m 8s ago, quiting: "Leaving" | 12:55 |
| ademan_kitchen_c | maybe i shouldn't bother making my own repos then | 12:56 |
| ademan_kitchen_c | ah my mediawiki got close to finishing for once | 12:56 |
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| ademan_kitchen_c | but yeah, maybe i should just submit a few of these to universe... time to try and package again... thank God REVU won't allow any crap i package past them :-) | 12:58 |
| crimsun | it would be better to try to get them into universe, yes. | 12:58 |
| ademan_kitchen_c | or rather, REVU would help me fix any crap i would inevitably break | 12:58 |
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| cypher1 | crimsun, are you working on the merge of pycaml ? | 01:00 |
| crimsun | no, I don't believe it's assigned to me | 01:00 |
| crimsun | (is it?) | 01:00 |
| crimsun | oh, it is. | 01:01 |
| cypher1 | crimsun, :) are you planning to work on it ? | 01:01 |
| cypher1 | cypher1, or else i can try :) | 01:01 |
| crimsun | no, I'm not. Fujitsu has already filed a sync request for it (#77038). | 01:02 |
| crimsun | bug 77038 | 01:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 77038 in pycaml "Please sync pycaml (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/77038 | 01:02 |
| Fujitsu | Did I? | 01:02 |
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| Fujitsu | So I did. | 01:02 |
| cypher1 | crimsun, ok .. i will search for another one then :) | 01:02 |
| Fujitsu | We have to manually request all syncs these days, don't we? | 01:08 |
| cypher1 | crimsun, i have now selected to merge libflash, and did a search on bugs but did not see any sync or merge requests.. hope that is enough for me to proceed to work on it.. | 01:10 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu, not sure if autosync has been turned off | 01:10 |
| crimsun | cypher1, sure | 01:10 |
| Fujitsu | Well, judging by the graphs on merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html, it sure looks like it. | 01:11 |
| cypher1 | crimsun, thanks | 01:11 |
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| cypher1 | Fujitsu, can it be because of just one to verify that the debian change resolves the ubuntu change, that the autosync is turned off ? | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | Pardon? | 01:13 |
| cypher1 | Fujitsu, i thought by autosync, the packages that does not have a conflict is synced automatically right ? | 01:14 |
| Fujitsu | The packages that have no changes, correct. | 01:14 |
| cypher1 | Fujitsu, sorry is that packages have no changes or packages having no conflicts ? | 01:15 |
| Fujitsu | Packages having no changes whatsoever. | 01:15 |
| cypher1 | ok | 01:16 |
| Fujitsu | Anyhow, I'm off to bed! | 01:16 |
| Fujitsu | 'night all. | 01:16 |
| crimsun | 'night | 01:18 |
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| highvoltage | happy new year cbx33 | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | happy new year highvoltage | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | how are you | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | feeling good | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | and you? | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | yeh good | 01:57 |
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| neutrinomass | python-musicbrainz2 depends on libdiscid0 which is in unstable but not in feisty - should I request a sync ? | 02:17 |
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| cypher1 | geser, hi happy new year! | 02:42 |
| geser | hi cypher1, you too a happy new year! | 02:43 |
| cypher1 | is there any equivalent of cyberlink powerdvd of windows in ubuntu ? | 02:47 |
| cypher1 | sorry i guess wrong channel | 02:47 |
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| davromaniak | if any MOTU sees this line, can he take few seconds to review encadre-image and ccd2iso, Thanks | 04:12 |
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| bddebian | Happy New Year! | 05:06 |
| Lutin | thx. happy new year too bddebian | 05:08 |
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| geser | Happy New Year bddebian | 06:04 |
| bddebian | Thx geser, you too | 06:05 |
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| joejaxx | Hello Everyone | 06:46 |
| bddebian | Heya joejaxx | 06:47 |
| joejaxx | :) | 06:48 |
| joejaxx | how was your new years? | 06:48 |
| bddebian | Fine thanks. Yours? | 06:49 |
| joejaxx | that is good to hear | 06:49 |
| joejaxx | mine was ok | 06:49 |
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| xerxas | Happy new year all ! | 08:08 |
| somerville32 | :] | 08:09 |
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| joejaxx | it has been quite quiet today | 08:14 |
| somerville32 | Indeed | 08:14 |
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| Adri2000 | StevenK: here? | 09:16 |
| StevenK | For some values of 'here'. | 09:31 |
| Adri2000 | StevenK: have you read my /msg? | 09:35 |
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| StevenK | I saw it, it depends on what, and if you know Debian procedures. | 09:49 |
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| Adri2000 | StevenK: the two packages are djplay and libdjconsole (djplay depends on it), same active upstream with whom I have good relationship | 09:52 |
| Adri2000 | do I know Debian procedures... I don't know if I know :) depends on what you mean | 09:54 |
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| lophylap | superm1: ping | 10:53 |
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| neutrinomass | geser: Thanks for the uploads ! | 12:10 |
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