[12:21] <superm1> crimsun, do you have a few moments to chat about those things i was doing in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend?
[12:21] <crimsun> superm1, which things?
[12:22] <superm1> well the package is a new package i was going to introduce - and it is a metapackage which should handle some configuration stuff too
[12:22] <superm1> particularly a gdm autologin, and a custom openbox menu
[12:22] <superm1> so i wasn't sure if what i did with it to make it work was kosher
[12:23] <superm1> i made two conf files in /etc/mythtv, diverted the originals /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom-original and the same sort of thing for openbox conf.  i then made a symlink from /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to the conf file in /etc/mythtv
[12:24] <superm1> so if ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is uninstalled, symlink goes away
[12:24] <superm1> and diversion is reversed
[12:25] <superm1> the idea is supposed to be, you install ubuntu command line system, install the package - and restart and your up and running
[12:25] <crimsun> xubuntu-default-settings does something similar
[12:25] <crimsun> that seems fine
[12:25] <superm1> alright very good then
[12:26] <superm1> i'll look at xubuntu-default-settings and compare whats done there for other ideas too
[12:27] <superm1> oh it does it a bit cleaner using update-alternatives
[12:27] <superm1> rather than manual symlinks
[12:27] <crimsun> right
[12:28] <superm1> is there any other advantage other than it looking cleaner to use update-alternatives for this?
[12:29] <crimsun> well, by using the alternatives system, you get to use what Debian provides
[12:29] <crimsun> so it's not just cosmetic
[12:30] <superm1> what do you mean by what "Debian provides", you mean as in the ability to easily switch between the two?
[12:30] <crimsun> using update-alternatives, yes
[12:30] <superm1> ah i see
[12:30] <superm1> i'll have to experiment a little with it then.  i'll switch it over to that then
[12:31] <superm1> elsewise, was there anything else sticking out about the packaging that would need some work still?
[12:31] <crimsun> well, last I checked out, the upstream changelog entries for mythtv and mythplugins were still missing
[12:32] <superm1> you mean upstream as in mythtv upstream, not debian-multimedia upstream?
[12:32] <crimsun> the latter
[12:33] <crimsun> all the entries by Christian
[12:33] <superm1> i've updated to make sure i have all of christian's entries
[12:33] <superm1> what revision were you at for each
[12:33] <crimsun> ok, I can checkout shortly
[12:33] <superm1> okay
[01:00] <TheMuso> Happy new year for those in the UK.
[01:02] <crimsun> and to you.
[01:03] <TheMuso> crimsun: I'm in Australia. :) Just thought I'd make those behind us in time welcome. :)
[01:03] <TheMuso> How long until midnight for you crimsun?
[01:07] <crimsun> 4h 53m
[02:32] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[02:32] <joejaxx> :)
[02:32] <joejaxx> Happy New Years (GMT)
[02:33] <joejaxx> -32 minutes lol
[02:37] <crimsun> yeah, a bit tardy there ;)
[02:37] <joejaxx> ;)
[02:37] <crimsun> like, an hour and 37 minutes ;)
[02:37] <joejaxx> haha
[02:37] <joejaxx> lol
[02:40] <joejaxx> this is weird
[02:40] <joejaxx> i created a initrd for this kernel
[02:41] <joejaxx> and it hangs on trying to mount the root filesystem
[02:42] <joejaxx> let me reboot this
[02:58] <LaserJock> hi people
[02:59] <crimsun> 'lo.
[02:59] <LaserJock> crimsun!
[02:59] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[02:59] <freeflying|away> hi LaserJock crimsun 
[02:59] <crimsun> not bad, merging, and you?
[02:59] <crimsun> hi freeflying|notaway
[03:00] <LaserJock> I'm leaving for home tomorrow morning
[03:00] <crimsun> MT?
[03:00] <joejaxx> Hello LaserJock ! :)
[03:00] <LaserJock> the connection here at my parents is about 26k so I haven't been on much
[03:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: from MT back to NV
[03:01] <crimsun> ah, NV.
[03:01] <crimsun> yeah, understandable RE: 26kbps
[03:06] <LaserJock> joejaxx: hi, how are you doing?
[03:07] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i am doing well
[03:07] <LaserJock> how are the fluxbuntu packages going?
[03:08] <joejaxx> quite interesting
[03:08] <joejaxx> i am going to have to rebuild half of the ubuntu support packages
[03:08] <LaserJock> why?
[03:09] <joejaxx> they are pulling applications
[03:09] <joejaxx> for instances
[03:09] <joejaxx> instance*
[03:09] <LaserJock> what do you mean by dupport packages?
[03:09] <joejaxx> language-support-en
[03:09] <LaserJock> *support
[03:09] <LaserJock> ah
[03:09] <joejaxx> pulls openoffice.org-writer
[03:09] <joejaxx> yeah
[03:10] <LaserJock> hmmm
[03:11] <LaserJock> I wonder if it could be made more modular or something
[03:11] <joejaxx> i wonder why it is that way though
[03:11] <joejaxx> debian has language support application specific ie firefox-locale-en
[03:12] <LaserJock> well, like many things in Ubuntu, trying to pull things together into a supportable set
[03:12] <joejaxx> oh ok
[03:13] <LaserJock> at least that's what I would guess
[03:13] <LaserJock> why make more packages if you know what packages you need support for
[03:14] <joejaxx> well becuase it is part of the fluxbuntu live seed
[03:14] <crimsun> I don't see why that would require rebuilding half of support packages, though
[03:14] <crimsun> it'd be easier to just Provide: whatever
[03:14] <crimsun> not technically correct, but it's much more straightforward
[03:15] <joejaxx> well because then it whould be grouped
[03:15] <joejaxx> just like it is now
[03:16] <crimsun> right, but the smaller the deviation, the easier it'll be to maintain
[03:17] <crimsun> err, yeah.
[03:20] <TheMuso> Ouch
[03:21] <crimsun> ja
[03:21] <crimsun> though I suppose it's a ripe time to split/perform maint
[03:21] <TheMuso> Yeah
[03:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: why do you think that? :-)
[03:22] <TheMuso> I have always been on the bad end of netsplits lately.
[03:22] <crimsun> vroom.
[03:23] <LaserJock> I think I've only been on the bad end once
[03:23] <TheMuso> i.e ended up with only one/two other people in the channel after the split.
[03:23] <joejaxx> yay everyone is back
[03:24] <LaserJock> weither we want them or not ;-)
[03:25] <thecore> LaserJock: eh
[03:25] <thecore> hello LaserJock
[03:25] <LaserJock> hi thecore
[03:32] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like we could use a Merge Day
[03:33] <crimsun> pretty much what I'm doing atm
[03:35] <LaserJock> well, we need more then "crimson rules Universe" Days ;-)
[03:35] <crimsun> cool, need to meet this crimson
[03:35] <LaserJock> that's not fair to you
[03:35] <LaserJock> bah
[03:35] <joejaxx> LOL
[03:35] <joejaxx> how did the amount of merges increase?
[03:36] <crimsun> MoM ran again, I suspect
[03:36] <joejaxx> oh i thought it runs once and then all the merges are checked
[03:36] <joejaxx> manually*
[03:36] <joejaxx> i did not know it runs more than once
[03:37] <LaserJock> anybody know if it's relatively easy to get the importance of a Debian bug?
[03:37] <LaserJock> joejaxx: when it's active and working I think MoM runs every 6-24 hrs
[03:37] <joejaxx> "alert!  /dev/sda1 does not exist. dropping to a shell!" << that must not be good
[03:37] <joejaxx> LaserJock: oh ok
[03:38] <crimsun> I'm not terribly familiar w/ the internals, but one should be able to grep for severity in the bug report
[03:38] <crimsun> I suspect there's a much more elegant manner
[03:39] <LaserJock> I was thinking that what we really need is a list of bugs of a certain severity that have been closed in Debian since the Ubuntu version
[03:39] <LaserJock> and on a per/package basis
[03:40] <crimsun> hmm.
[03:40] <joejaxx> how whould one compile such a list?
[03:40] <LaserJock> we need to easily see what syncs are worthwile
[03:40] <LaserJock> or merges for that matter
[03:41] <crimsun> inspecting the appropriate source packages' BTS entries
[03:41] <LaserJock> there is also an email sent when a bug is closed
[03:41] <crimsun> they're grouped by severity in BTS output; that may be one approach
[03:42] <crimsun> you probably want to poke buxy for ideas, LaserJock 
[03:42] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:42] <LaserJock> I've just been thinking lately that prioritization is one of the things we are lacking quite a bit
[03:43] <crimsun> yeah, the popcon approach is a bit lacking currently
[03:43] <LaserJock> if we can't do *everything* we at least need to be able to know what's more important
[03:43] <joejaxx> so the process whould be 
[03:43] <crimsun> I've been doing it manually (trawling BTS for RC bugs in the packages I touch)
[03:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, we just should try to automate that
[03:44] <joejaxx> 1. get a merge 2. look for a critical bug that has been closed 3. set to a high priority for merging?
[03:44] <LaserJock> well, I would like to see something like a list of all outdated packages in Ubuntu that have RC bugs fixed in Debian
[03:45] <LaserJock> and the same thing for lower severities too
[03:45] <LaserJock> not just for merges
[03:45] <LaserJock> but for just a general idea of where we are with respect to Debian
[03:47] <crimsun> check for a higher Debian source package version, inspect BTS, retrieve resolved RC bugs that fit the version constraints between Ubuntu and Debian, repeat, sort list
[03:47] <LaserJock> yep
[03:47] <LaserJock> I wonder how big the the Debian BTS is to download
[03:48] <LaserJock> if one had a local cache of it creating the list could be quite quick
[03:48] <crimsun> well, you wouldn't need everything from BTS
[03:48] <LaserJock> true
[03:50] <LaserJock> but it might be more efficent to cache it
[03:52] <crimsun> well, here's where PTS will help
[03:52] <crimsun> it already provides links to RC bugs
[03:52] <crimsun> granted, those are the -open- ones
[03:53] <LaserJock> hmm, that would be good too
[03:53] <LaserJock> darn it, I keep thinking of all kinds of info that would be useful
[03:53] <LaserJock> and it'd be nice if LP could handle all this
[03:53] <LaserJock> I'll just have to sign the NDA and dive in ;-) j/k
[03:53] <crimsun> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=SOURCEPACKAGENAME&archive=no&pend-exc=pending-fixed&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious
[04:02] <LaserJock> hmm, well I'll have to think about this
[04:02] <LaserJock> cbx33 offered to help writing some MOTU scripts
[04:06] <LaserJock> anyway, I'm off again
[04:06] <LaserJock> cya guys
[04:06] <LaserJock> and gals
[04:06] <joejaxx> Goodnight LaserJock 
[04:06] <crimsun> 'night
[04:07] <joejaxx> crimsun: i am trying to do another merge :)
[04:07] <crimsun> great
[04:08] <Q-FUNK> http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib/log.planner_0.14-10.html
[04:08] <Q-FUNK> can anyone make sense of this?
[04:33] <joejaxx> crimsun: if there is a conflict does MoM normally not state what conflicts?
[04:41] <joejaxx> for example
[04:42] <joejaxx> for opencv it has a conflict section in the report
[04:42] <crimsun> joejaxx, the files contain diff markers
[04:43] <crimsun> back after NY's
[04:43] <joejaxx> ok
[05:10] <joejaxx> he /win 25
[05:10] <joejaxx> bah
[05:21] <joejaxx> anyone else here?
[05:21] <joejaxx> lol
[05:21] <joejaxx> i am probably the only one still on the computer
[05:32] <somerville32> :] 
[05:32] <somerville32> Oh crap
[05:32] <somerville32> We all agreed we were going to ignore joejaxx, right?
[05:32] <somerville32> gah!
[05:33] <joejaxx> LOL
[05:33] <joejaxx> of course all the irc clients come with /ignore joejaxx by default :P
[05:35] <joejaxx> somerville32: what are you still doing on irc on new years?
[05:38] <somerville32> And has no life to boot
[05:38] <somerville32> :D
[05:38] <joejaxx> lol
[05:39] <joejaxx> somerville32: i am trying to figure out why "/dev/sda1 does not exist" when i try to boot with this new kernel
[05:39] <joejaxx> lol
[05:39] <joejaxx> it is not like i forgot to enable scsi disk support in the kernel
[05:40] <somerville32> Doesn't exist for me either
[05:40] <joejaxx> somerville32: you probably do not have scsi discs :P
[05:40] <somerville32> sda1 has always been my USB disk for me
[05:41] <joejaxx> yeah usbdrives come up as sda1 on my ide based computers as well
[05:41] <somerville32> Welp, time for sleep! :D
[05:41] <joejaxx> oh ok
[05:41] <somerville32> @now atlantic
[05:42] <Ubugtu> Current time in Canada/Atlantic: January 01 2007, 00:42:00
[05:42] <joejaxx> lol
[05:42] <joejaxx> Good Night somerville32 
[05:42] <somerville32> Good Night my friend
[05:42] <somerville32> halt: Need to be root
[05:42] <somerville32> Err..
[05:43] <joejaxx> lol
[06:06] <joejaxx> Happy New Years EST
[06:12] <cypher1> joejaxx, Happy New Year to you too !
[06:15] <joejaxx> cypher1: :D
[11:11] <Toadstool> happy new year!
[12:35] <june> hey anyone know where i can get the falcon repository builder so that i can install it on a webserver which i don't have root privileges to?  Is it even possible?  I have a folder to which i have read write and execute access though
[12:38] <crimsun> june, you can pull it from Seveas's bzr.
[12:38] <crimsun> alternately, a number of sites mirror the deb
[12:39] <crimsun> note that not having root privileges makes installing the deb troublesome at best
[12:39] <june> yeah, and all i could find was a deb
[12:40] <crimsun> the source is available in his bzr.
[12:40] <june> no tarball? oh well, i guess i'll do it tomorow
[12:40] <june> i'm not on my computer right now, can't install bzr
[12:41] <june> heh, my mediawiki installation is going like crap too
[12:45] <Seveas> june, you can also grab the orig.tar.gz which is basicaly the upstream tarball
[12:46] <june> that might work better, actually, while you're hear seveas, you don't host wolfenstein: enemy territory or true combat: elite do you?
[12:46] <june> here even*
[12:47] <Seveas> no I don't
[12:47] <Seveas> I'm not really a gamer
[12:48] <june> alright, the whole reason why i was after falcon was because i thought it might be worthwhile to host all of the games that arent in universerse (and those two will never be cause of the whole thing about being binary only)
[12:48] <june> plus games like cube, nexuiz and a few others, maybe some game demos as well, i would figure people would like to have a repository for those
[12:49] <crimsun> eh? that's not entirely correct; they could be in multiverse if they were wrapped or used a script to download.
[12:50] <crimsun> it's the license (redistributability, among others) that ultimately matters
[12:50] <june> crimsun: huh, i suppose i've been mistaken then, what do you mean about redistributability?
[12:51] <crimsun> meaning that Canonical must have permission to host the binaries on its mirrors
[12:51] <cypher1> arghh, when will open office be equivalent to MS office ?
[12:51] <june> huh... is that because they're a commercial entity? or does ANYONE require that permission?
[12:52] <crimsun> june, anyone who attempts to mirror it should have explicit permission from id or whomever
[12:53] <cypher1> :)
[12:53] <crimsun> ademan_kitchen_c, the only exception is if the EULA for, say, rtcw states explicitly that free redistribution is allowed
[12:53] <cypher1> crimsun, hope thats ok.. i removed "the REVU DAY" part
[12:53] <crimsun> cypher1, sure
[12:53] <ademan_kitchen_c> ah ok, and what about strictly GPL programs?
[12:54] <crimsun> ademan, well, strictly GPL programs should have no problem going into universe.
[12:54] <ademan_kitchen_c> crimsun: true
[12:55] <cypher1> !seen cypher
[12:55] <ubotu> I last saw Cypher (i=DarkLinu@82.114.171.34) 2h 59m 8s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[12:56] <ademan_kitchen_c> maybe i shouldn't bother making my own repos then
[12:56] <ademan_kitchen_c> ah my mediawiki got close to finishing for once
[12:58] <ademan_kitchen_c> but yeah, maybe i should just submit a few of these to universe... time to try and package again... thank God REVU won't allow any crap i package past them :-)
[12:58] <crimsun> it would be better to try to get them into universe, yes.
[12:58] <ademan_kitchen_c> or rather, REVU would help me fix any crap i would inevitably break
[01:00] <cypher1> crimsun, are you working on the merge of pycaml ?
[01:00] <crimsun> no, I don't believe it's assigned to me
[01:00] <crimsun> (is it?)
[01:01] <crimsun> oh, it is.
[01:01] <cypher1> crimsun, :) are you planning to work on it ?
[01:01] <cypher1> cypher1, or else i can try :)
[01:02] <crimsun> no, I'm not. Fujitsu has already filed a sync request for it (#77038).
[01:02] <crimsun> bug 77038
[01:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77038 in pycaml "Please sync pycaml (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77038
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Did I?
[01:02] <Fujitsu> So I did.
[01:02] <cypher1> crimsun, ok .. i will search for another one then :)
[01:08] <Fujitsu> We have to manually request all syncs these days, don't we?
[01:10] <cypher1> crimsun, i have now selected to merge libflash, and did a search on bugs but did not see any sync or merge requests.. hope that is enough for me to proceed to work on it..
[01:10] <crimsun> Fujitsu, not sure if autosync has been turned off
[01:10] <crimsun> cypher1, sure
[01:11] <Fujitsu> Well, judging by the graphs on merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html, it sure looks like it.
[01:11] <cypher1> crimsun, thanks
[01:12] <cypher1> Fujitsu, can it be because of just one to verify that the debian change resolves the ubuntu change, that the autosync is turned off ?
[01:13] <Fujitsu> Pardon?
[01:14] <cypher1> Fujitsu, i thought by autosync, the packages that does not have a conflict is synced automatically right ?
[01:14] <Fujitsu> The packages that have no changes, correct.
[01:15] <cypher1> Fujitsu, sorry is that packages have no changes or packages having no conflicts ?
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Packages having no changes whatsoever.
[01:16] <cypher1> ok
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Anyhow, I'm off to bed!
[01:16] <Fujitsu> 'night all.
[01:18] <crimsun> 'night
[01:56] <highvoltage> happy new year cbx33 
[01:56] <cbx33> happy new year highvoltage 
[01:56] <cbx33> how are you
[01:57] <highvoltage> feeling good
[01:57] <highvoltage> and you?
[01:57] <cbx33> yeh good
[02:17] <neutrinomass> python-musicbrainz2 depends on libdiscid0 which is in unstable but not in feisty - should I request a sync ?
[02:42] <cypher1> geser, hi happy new year!
[02:43] <geser> hi cypher1, you too a happy new year!
[02:47] <cypher1> is there any equivalent of cyberlink powerdvd of windows in ubuntu ?
[02:47] <cypher1> sorry i guess wrong channel
[04:12] <davromaniak> if any MOTU sees this line, can he take few seconds to review encadre-image and ccd2iso, Thanks
[05:06] <bddebian> Happy New Year!
[05:08] <Lutin> thx. happy new year too bddebian
[06:04] <geser> Happy New Year bddebian 
[06:05] <bddebian> Thx geser, you too
[06:46] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[06:47] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[06:48] <joejaxx> :)
[06:48] <joejaxx> how was your new years?
[06:49] <bddebian> Fine thanks. Yours?
[06:49] <joejaxx> that is good to hear
[06:49] <joejaxx> mine was ok
[08:08] <xerxas> Happy new year all ! 
[08:09] <somerville32> :] 
[08:14] <joejaxx> it has been quite quiet today
[08:14] <somerville32> Indeed
[09:16] <Adri2000> StevenK: here?
[09:31] <StevenK> For some values of 'here'.
[09:35] <Adri2000> StevenK: have you read my /msg?
[09:49] <StevenK> I saw it, it depends on what, and if you know Debian procedures.
[09:52] <Adri2000> StevenK: the two packages are djplay and libdjconsole (djplay depends on it), same active upstream with whom I have good relationship
[09:54] <Adri2000> do I know Debian procedures... I don't know if I know :) depends on what you mean
[10:53] <lophylap> superm1: ping
[12:10] <neutrinomass> geser: Thanks for the uploads !