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| panpan | bonjour et bonne annee ! | 01:57 |
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| tsmithe | et vous aussi! | 01:57 |
| panpan | merci | 01:57 |
| tsmithe | ca va bien? | 01:57 |
| panpan | oui et toi ? | 01:57 |
| tsmithe | super! | 01:57 |
| panpan | pourai tu m'aider car je suis debutan sous ubuntu et jai beaucou de mal | 01:58 |
| tsmithe | pas en #ubuntu-devel, je crois | 01:58 |
| panpan | je sort tou juste de windows donc sa change :) | 01:58 |
| panpan | pardon ? | 01:58 |
| tsmithe | il faut parler anglais aussi, ici | 01:58 |
| tsmithe | ;) | 01:58 |
| panpan | a bon ? oulala | 01:59 |
| panpan | moi et l'angais | 01:59 |
| tsmithe | !fr | 01:59 |
| tsmithe | ... | 01:59 |
| tsmithe | allez en #ubuntu-fr ;) | 01:59 |
| panpan | ok merci :) | 01:59 |
| panpan | aurevoire | 01:59 |
| tsmithe | au voir | 01:59 |
| panpan | et bonne soir | 01:59 |
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| tyme- | Does anyone know what library is used for on screen notifications? ie: battery charged, time left etc | 05:22 |
| Amaranth | libnotify | 05:23 |
| Amaranth | notification-daemon | 05:23 |
| Amaranth | tyme-: ^ | 05:23 |
| tyme- | <3 | 05:23 |
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| tyme- | where is the dbus services located? | 06:03 |
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| somerville32 | Does anyone want to take a look at my really awful python code? :) | 06:11 |
| PuMpErNiCkEl | What does it do? | 06:12 |
| somerville32 | It is the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Fesity Changes Mail Spool Parser | 06:12 |
| somerville32 | UWNFCMSP for sort <g> | 06:13 |
| somerville32 | *short | 06:13 |
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| PuMpErNiCkEl | :o | 06:13 |
| somerville32 | Yes, and code is even more gross :) | 06:14 |
| PuMpErNiCkEl | Hm... it sounds strangely interesting. | 06:14 |
| somerville32 | Offering via DCC | 06:15 |
| tyme- | why not paste the code somewhere | 06:23 |
| somerville32 | Interesting idea | 06:25 |
| tyme- | !halp .... -> checking for DBUS... no ; anyone have any idea why it's not finding DBUS? I have all the packages installed.. libdbus, dbus etcetc | 06:25 |
| tyme- | pastebin.com somerville32 | 06:25 |
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| lifeless | or rafb.net/paste which is about 10x faster | 06:26 |
| somerville32 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/207/ | 06:26 |
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| somerville32 | It took about 20 minutes to code and test - it works so I guess I'm happy | 06:28 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:28 |
| somerville32 | Morning Pitti | 06:28 |
| lifeless | hey pitti | 06:28 |
| pitti | hey guys, had a nice celebration? | 06:29 |
| somerville32 | I stayed at home and coded :/ | 06:29 |
| lifeless | I had a gastro-virus :( | 06:29 |
| tyme- | !halp .... -> checking for DBUS... no ; anyone have any idea why it's not finding DBUS? I have all the packages installed.. libdbus, dbus etcetc | 06:30 |
| lifeless | tyme-: are you doing development ? | 06:30 |
| somerville32 | I bought some rootbeer, cream soda, and cheezies - that was my excitement of the day. | 06:30 |
| tyme- | yea | 06:33 |
| lifeless | tyme-: what is that message coming from ? | 06:40 |
| tyme- | lifeless: from ./configure | 06:40 |
| lifeless | is this a new package, or an existing package you are rebuilding ? | 06:40 |
| tyme- | existing package. I have all the libdbus/dbus packages updated | 06:40 |
| lifeless | wdo you have libdbus-1-dev ? | 06:42 |
| tyme- | yes | 06:43 |
| lifeless | configure should output a log file showing what it ran | 06:43 |
| lifeless | have a look at that | 06:43 |
| tyme- | sec.. | 06:45 |
| tyme- | seems it cant find it because it's not in pkg-config search path | 06:53 |
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| somerville32 | Is Feisty still dead? | 07:14 |
| lifeless | dead? | 07:16 |
| somerville32 | Totally fubar? | 07:18 |
| pitti | somerville32: WFM... | 07:19 |
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| somerville32 | I was ambiguous, wasn't I. | 07:20 |
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| Amaranth | somerville32: apparently if you use SATA you are fine, PATA has problems for some people | 07:28 |
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| cjwatson | morning | 11:02 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: have you ever security-reviewed putty? I finished porting it to gtk2 yesterday at last, and have been thinking of proposing it for main ... | 11:02 |
| Fujitsu | :O | 11:03 |
| pitti | cjwatson: hello, and happy new year! | 11:03 |
| pitti | cjwatson: no, I never took a look at it | 11:03 |
| Fujitsu | GTK2 PuTTY! It might look sane now :) | 11:03 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I'd be particularly interested in whether it properly mlock()s passphrases and such | 11:03 |
| cjwatson | font selection is broken since putty is expecting to use server-side fonts but gtk2's font selector only offers client-side fonts; aside from that it seems to be working ok | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | Fujitsu: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/tmp/putty-gtk1.png versus http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/tmp/putty-gtk2.png | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | pitti: no use of mlock() in the source ... | 11:09 |
| Fujitsu | Looks much better, cjwatson :) | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | pitti: openssh doesn't mlock passphrases either | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | it's an interesting question for an ssh implementation; you should clearly mlock keys as well as passphrases. What about session state? | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | one would hope it's not possible to derive the key from the session state, of course | 11:11 |
| doko | is the upload queue currently working? | 11:12 |
| cjwatson | doko: yes, you just hit a known fails-sometimes-for-no-reason case with gcc-3.3 | 11:12 |
| cjwatson | doko: the current workaround is just to upload it again :( | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | http://librarian.launchpad.net/5576777/elasrd0hlwGdtKrSAudllG0sjjp.txt | 11:13 |
| doko | ok, trying again | 11:13 |
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| cjwatson | strange that it bit two successive uploads though | 11:14 |
| Fujitsu | cjwatson, it's been happening a /lot/ lately. | 11:15 |
| Fujitsu | A large percentage of uploads are dropped. | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | it seems to be a couple a day | 11:15 |
| crimsun | cjwatson, it hit four of mine in a row a couple days ago. | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | I'm not in a position to fix it, although I will raise it as a Soyuz priority | 11:16 |
| doko | cjwatson: can I watch the upload processing myself (if it fails or succeeds)? | 11:17 |
| === Fujitsu hopes we get bugmail back soon... | ||
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| cjwatson | doko: afraid not; I can watch it for you | 11:20 |
| doko | uploaded again | 11:20 |
| cjwatson | but of course if it succeeds you will be mailed | 11:20 |
| cjwatson | non-security uploads are processed every five minutes (*/5 * * * *); if you aren't getting mailed in that time plus usual mail delays, you can generally assume that there is some kind of problem | 11:21 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: putty/pterm in main> shiny! | 11:38 |
| iwj | Hello again everyone. | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | iwj: regarding the discussion about domU kernels for Xen we had in MTV, have you looked into pygrub in the xen source tree? | 11:38 |
| iwj | Yes, I did look at it a bit. | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | ok, I didn't know if you were aware of it or not, but if you are, good. :-) | 11:39 |
| iwj | It uses an interface that our Xen didn't have at that point. | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: are you fixing vim to be installable again or should I? It fails in postinst when it tries to do some alternatives mangling | 11:40 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: any purpose for putty/pterm in main other than supportability? | 11:43 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: I'd like my terminal emulator to be security supported. | 11:44 |
| Mithrandir | and I believe cjwatson does too. :-) | 11:44 |
| Mithrandir | so no, no other reason | 11:44 |
| cjwatson | jdub: nicer interface to opening ssh sessions than I believe exists elsewhere | 11:44 |
| cjwatson | I remember the lack of such an interface came up way back in hoary or so, but putty wasn't suitable then due to gtk1-ness | 11:45 |
| jdub | cjwatson: oh, ported! nice. | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: it's tricky and weirder than you might expect - there's a Debian bug about it | 11:46 |
| jdub | how is it with utf-8 and so on? | 11:46 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: repeat dpkg --configure -a a few times and it'll work | 11:46 |
| cjwatson | jdub: it's had support for ages | 11:46 |
| jdub | hrm, ucrrnetly built for 1.2 though | 11:46 |
| cjwatson | jdub: yes, I finished the port yesterday | 11:46 |
| jdub | rock on | 11:46 |
| cjwatson | it has its own Unicode layer, so doesn't need pango for that | 11:47 |
| jdub | using pango? oh | 11:47 |
| cjwatson | making it use pango would be very difficult; since it's a cross-platform application, it needs to have lots of that code itself anyway | 11:47 |
| jdub | might be helpful for text rendering tho | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | it already has that :) | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | it has to know how to do stuff like bidi and arabic shaping for other platforms anyway | 11:48 |
| jdub | thai? arabic? indian? ... ? :) | 11:48 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: uh, ok. | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | thai, arabic both work, not sure about indic | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | I think it's fine if you have the fonts | 11:49 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: having it not use pango is a feature, antialiased terminal fonts is a nightmare. | 11:49 |
| Keybuk | heh, I *like* anti-aliased terminal fonts | 11:50 |
| Mithrandir | but they look like somebody ran over them with a truck | 11:50 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: pango doesn't necessarily imply antialiased | 11:50 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: Debian bug #399024 | 11:50 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 399024 in vim "Upgrade fails because of missing man page directory" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/399024 | 11:50 |
| cjwatson | (subject is wrong) | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | (well, sort of) | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: can you tell me what colour of stick I need to beat g-t with to make it give me proper fonts, then? :-) | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | I think it might be possible to make putty use pango optionally in some kind of limited way to get at client-side fonts, but I don't think there's any point in replacing putty's cross-platform rendering code with it | 11:52 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: hmm? are your fontconfig settings right? | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | putty needs to know enough about how text is laid out that moving to pango for rendering would represent a complete architectural reshuffling | 11:53 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: I haven't touched them, apart from with clicky tools, so I believe so. | 11:53 |
| tepsipakki | Mithrandir: I use "Fixed 10", you need to reconfigure fontconfig to enable bitmap-fonts though | 11:57 |
| tepsipakki | (Fixed SemiCondensed 10 actually) | 11:59 |
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| Mithrandir | tepsipakki: hmm, I could try that | 12:02 |
| nn | where can i get all the 'stuff' used to automate release builds? I'm working on a fork of ubuntu on top of FreeBSD (and eventually Open and Net too) | 12:03 |
| tepsipakki | it's the same font that xterm uses by default, I think.. | 12:03 |
| nn | wanting to set up automated builds whenever something changes in either the ubuntu or {free,net,open}bsd upstreams | 12:03 |
| nn | i really <3 ubuntu, but i really </3 linux kernel | 12:04 |
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| cjwatson | doko: I trust you noticed the openoffice.org-l10n FTBFS? | 12:07 |
| doko | cjwatson: currently building on ronne | 12:08 |
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| cjwatson | doko: thanks | 12:14 |
| Chipzz | nn: you're aware there already is a debian/fbsd port? :) | 12:16 |
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| pitti | hey rodarvus, happy new year! | 12:28 |
| rodarvus | good morning! | 12:28 |
| rodarvus | hey pitti! | 12:28 |
| rodarvus | same for you :) | 12:28 |
| doko | rodarvus: good morning | 12:29 |
| doko | rodarvus: is the /usr/X11R6/bin -> ../bin symlink still needed? | 12:29 |
| rodarvus | doko, hi there! | 12:29 |
| rodarvus | doko, not for ubuntu itself, but for compatibility reasons, I guess | 12:30 |
| doko | rodarvus: see bug 64726 | 12:30 |
| doko | rodarvus: see bug #64726 | 12:30 |
| doko | Ubugtu: ? | 12:31 |
| rodarvus | let me check | 12:31 |
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| cjwatson | doko: dropping the symlink just for that bug seems like a rather nuclear approach, considering that there's an easy workaroun | 12:34 |
| cjwatson | workaround | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | hey cjwatson! | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | morning | 12:35 |
| doko | cjwatson: well, first I would like to understand why the link is needed, after the transition to /usr/bin (for example, if there are binaries hardcoding paths to /usr/X11R6/bin) | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | doko: "for example"> correct | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | such instances are bugs (they should use /usr/bin/X11/ at the very least), but I'd like to keep the link around for as long as humanly possible | 12:38 |
| doko | so our transition isn't yet finished =) | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | even if it is, there will always be third-party binaries | 12:38 |
| doko | ok, I'll summarize in the report | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | doko: why doesn't our gcc just hardcode the paths it needs itself? | 12:39 |
| cjwatson | it seems pretty weird for it to work them out from argv[0] when in packaged form | 12:39 |
| doko | yeah, you can argue that. the benefit is that you can unpack the installation in every place and it finds the correct binaries/headers etc. very useful to install the package multiple times and search for bugs between versions | 12:41 |
| cjwatson | doko: fair enough; maybe a fallback to the standard location if the guessed one is wrong would be appropriate | 12:42 |
| cjwatson | or even a specific exclusion for this case, hacky though that is | 12:42 |
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| doko | cjwatson: maybe a special hack to detect the /usr/X11R6/bin situation could be done. not sure if it's worth the effort. | 12:48 |
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| === pitti sings 'where have all my uploads gone -- where're they ever?' | ||
| pitti | Keybuk, cjwatson: any idea why my uploads (avahi, two times nss-mdns) got eaten? | 01:02 |
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti | ||
| === Hobbsee ate them, she was hungry | ||
| pitti | Hobbsee: spit it out! | 01:07 |
| cjwatson | pitti: uploaded when? | 01:07 |
| pitti | cjwatson: some hours ago, and just now | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | nope! | 01:07 |
| === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, and stomps on his feet | ||
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: my feet are on my desk. :-P | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | who said i cant climb onto a desk? or i could just tip your chair over :P | 01:09 |
| cjwatson | process-upload seems to be stuck ... | 01:09 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: yay tabledancing :) | 01:10 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: could it be failing to contact the ubuntu.com mail server? | 01:10 |
| Keybuk | that seems to be down | 01:10 |
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| cjwatson | I'm stracing to find out | 01:11 |
| elmo | Keybuk: eh? | 01:12 |
| elmo | it is not | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: *grin* | 01:12 |
| Keybuk | elmo: I'm not getting mail from it | 01:12 |
| cjwatson | I don't think it's a mail problem, despite appearances | 01:13 |
| elmo | Keybuk: Jan 2 12:13:37 fiordland postfix/smtp[32076] : 101C7B680B7: to=<scott-canonical@netsplit.com>, orig_to=<scott@ubuntu.com>, rela | 01:13 |
| elmo | y=paperboy.netsplit.com[82.108.80.242] , delay=0, status=sent (250 ok 1167740017 qp 1709) | 01:13 |
| cjwatson | lp takes about a week to start up inside strace | 01:14 |
| cjwatson | insane numbers of imports | 01:14 |
| Keybuk | elmo: the last bug mail I had was Friday ... | 01:14 |
| Fujitsu | Keybuk, that's bug mail. It's stuffed. | 01:14 |
| geser | Mithrandir: can you please give-back libzrtpcpp? thanks | 01:14 |
| elmo | Keybuk: bug mail for LP is down, that's an entirely separate problem and is an LP code issue, nothing to do with mail servers | 01:15 |
| cjwatson | it appears to hang doing an INSERT INTO SourcePackageRelease | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | oh well. no bug mail means we cant fix any bugs, surely.... | 01:15 |
| Keybuk | elmo: ah, ok; I combined that with the lack of anything in my ubuntu folder (no spam!) and assumed that it was just down | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | speaking of bugs and mail....guess i'd better go figure out if i have to file a MIR. | 01:15 |
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| Mithrandir | geser: done | 01:16 |
| elmo | Fujitsu: feel free to file one on launchpad, if there really isn't one, and let me know what it is, and I'll bump it to critical | 01:17 |
| Fujitsu | I've checked the malone and launchpad products... anywhere else I should be looking? | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: no spam??? *gasps and dies* | 01:17 |
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| elmo | Fujitsu: no, that's it | 01:25 |
| Seveas | well,bug mail isn't entirely down | 01:29 |
| geser | where should a bug about out-of-date of Contents-$arch.gz files on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/ be filed? | 01:29 |
| Seveas | I've received a few in the last week | 01:29 |
| Seveas | geser, nowhere. Feisty is too much in flux to have an up to date Contents-$arch.gz all the time | 01:30 |
| geser | this means apt-file is of no use on feisty now | 01:31 |
| Mithrandir | geser: they shouldn't be, we generate them by hand once in a while. | 01:31 |
| elmo | Seveas: I'd be surprised - the bug mail code has been disabled | 01:31 |
| elmo | Seveas/Mithrandir: that's crack | 01:31 |
| elmo | Contents files should be auto-generated | 01:31 |
| elmo | but there's a bug open already, somewhere against the soyuz product, I'd imagine | 01:31 |
| Seveas | elmo, 2:54 today i got one and one on thu, 17:29 and fri 10:43 (UTC) | 01:32 |
| Mithrandir | I think we might have cronned it to happen weekly or so. | 01:32 |
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| geser | the current Contents files are from 25 Oct 2006 | 01:32 |
| Seveas | err, the friday mail is a false positive, sorry | 01:33 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: then it's not working very well... | 01:33 |
| Seveas | elmo, on another note: are you available tue 9th at 21:00 for a CC meeting? | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: it doesn't appear in lp_publish's crontab either, which would explain why. :-P | 01:34 |
| elmo | Seveas: sure | 01:34 |
| Seveas | great :) | 01:34 |
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| Keybuk | training fingers to learn a new passphrase is painful :( | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 01:47 |
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| doko | cjwatson: was the gcc-defaults upload rejected? | 01:56 |
| elmo | smurf_: ping | 01:57 |
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| cjwatson | doko: stalled due to Soyuz bug being investigated | 01:59 |
| cjwatson | doko: at least that's what's happening to all uploads right now | 01:59 |
| doko | ok, collecting then for mass upload | 02:00 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: you're an archive admin right? any chance you could push mailody through feisty NEW for me please? | 02:07 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I did it half an hour ago | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: way cool, thanks! | 02:08 |
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| cjwatson | doko: just upload them, they'll be processed when it's fixed | 02:22 |
| cjwatson | doko: should be working again now, thanks to elmo, cprov, et al | 02:32 |
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| pitti | yay, thanks guys! | 02:33 |
| zul | morning | 02:33 |
| pitti | hi zul, happy new year! | 02:36 |
| zul | hey pitti, you too | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | can someone tell me why tuxguitar 0.8-3 was REJECTED.? | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | (sync from debian) | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: it has licence problems. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | right | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | ships some binaries in the .orig.tar.gz without source | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405295 | 02:40 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 405295 in tuxguitar "tuxguitar: files without source in tarball" [Serious,Open] | 02:40 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: sorry that I forgot to Cc you on the rejection mail, but I didn't remember it was a requested sync. | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: OK | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 02:42 |
| zul | Mithrandir: i should have xen-3.0.4 by the end of the week so you can play with it | 02:43 |
| xerxas | Hey all ! | 02:44 |
| xerxas | Happy new year | 02:44 |
| Mithrandir | zul: yay | 02:45 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:53 |
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| giskard | ciao | 03:10 |
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| smurf_ | elmo: ? | 03:40 |
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| doko | cjwatson, Mithrandir, Keybuk: please could you process the subversion binaries in NEW? | 04:07 |
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| Mithrandir | doko: I'll do it | 04:10 |
| Welsh_Dwarf | Hi everyone, I've got a question about customising debian-installer (ubuntu alternate), whiwh is: what is a udeb? is it the same format as a deb? | 04:11 |
| Welsh_Dwarf | which is, sorry :) | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | doko: or somebody did it before me; there are none there now. | 04:11 |
| Welsh_Dwarf | Oh, and happy new year to all! | 04:11 |
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| evand | Welsh_Dwarf: http://people.debian.org/~fjp/talks/debconf6/paper/index.html#id2535182 | 04:19 |
| Welsh_Dwarf | Brilliant, thanks :) | 04:21 |
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| elmo | umm, how do you start ubiquity in expert mode? | 04:38 |
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| elmo | cjwatson: ^- ? | 04:39 |
| ogra | there is an expert mode ? | 04:40 |
| elmo | no there isn't, I'm actually being a retard | 04:40 |
| elmo | don't mind me | 04:40 |
| cjwatson | what ogra implied | 04:41 |
| cjwatson | what are you actually trying to do? :) | 04:42 |
| elmo | cjwatson: mac pro install - was following your instructions from our conversation a couple of weeks ago while half asleep | 04:43 |
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| elmo | ubiquity could do with learning about --help tho ;-) | 04:43 |
| cjwatson | elmo: it has so learnt, in feisty | 04:44 |
| cjwatson | but yeah, you want d-i | 04:45 |
| elmo | cjwatson: ok - has it learnt how to bail if screen res is < what it actually supports? ;-) | 04:46 |
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| cjwatson | elmo: no | 04:50 |
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| elmo | cjwatson: reasonable request/wishlist bug report? | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | elmo: you could tack it on as an alternate suggestion in bug 38442 | 04:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38442 in ubiquity "Doesn't support 640x480 resolution" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38442 | 04:56 |
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| elmo | cjwatson: done, thanks | 05:03 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: did you get time to try to nail down that console-setup problem at any point? | 05:10 |
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| doko | cjwatson, Keybuk: please could you promote libjaxp1.3-java (needed by current libxalan2-java and libxerces2-java builds) | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: no, sorry, I've entirely forgotten. | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I can try to get it done tomorrow. | 05:17 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: can I ask you again about postgresql-8.2, so that we'll get enough time for the transition? | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | doko: done; please direct routine archive admin requests to Mithrandir from now on | 05:24 |
| doko | cjwatson: ok, thanks | 05:25 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: I have a question...what's the purpose of building ia64 stuff if it isn't going to be published? | 05:29 |
| BenC | none of my kernels ever show up on ports for ia64 | 05:29 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: that's a sysadmin question ... ports.ubuntu.com mirroring is probably a bit broken | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | BenC: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.19/ has some stuff, but I think is outdated, so maybe it was only broken recently | 05:36 |
| cjwatson | elmo: ? | 05:36 |
| BenC | cjwatson: It's interesting that no one else has complained :) | 05:37 |
| elmo | ah, excellent | 05:39 |
| kylem | it's ia64... ;-) | 05:39 |
| BenC | for a community port, it definitely is missing the community aspect | 05:42 |
| elmo | fixed | 05:42 |
| BenC | unless lamont == community :) | 05:42 |
| elmo | it hadn't synced in like, uh, a month | 05:42 |
| BenC | elmo: thanks | 05:42 |
| elmo | I'll file a bug on soyuz for hiding the errors | 05:42 |
| BenC | elmo: should I see stuff on ports.u.c now? | 05:43 |
| BenC | I see an empty linux-source-2.6.20 directory | 05:43 |
| elmo | BenC: give it 2-3 minutes | 05:43 |
| BenC | ok | 05:43 |
| elmo | BenC: it's syncing over Gb, but it still takes time to catch up over a month | 05:43 |
| BenC | so what's the deal with hppa, while we're on the subject of ports? | 05:44 |
| BenC | I thought feisty was supposed to be parisc's come-back release | 05:45 |
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| doko | away for the evening ... | 05:54 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: can you remind me about what you was asking again? It's been a few days. | 05:55 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: to sync/NEW the package from Debian to Ubuntu main | 05:56 |
| pitti | bug 75114 | 05:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75114 in Ubuntu "Please sync postgresql-8.2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75114 | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: oh, sure. | 05:56 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: sorry for the urge, but the earlier we do it, the less work we'll have for the universe transition | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: sure, no problem, I'll just have to find my laptop | 05:57 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: happy new year! | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: same to you :-) | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: to main or universe? | 06:01 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: straight to main would be best | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ok, willdo | 06:02 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: after we'll have it there, I'll care for obsoleting 8.1 in main | 06:02 |
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| Mithrandir | I figured that much. :-) | 06:02 |
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| Mithrandir | sync-source seems to fail to generate a .changes file since libecpg-dev is in main, but the new source isn't. | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | even with -f to force it. | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: ^^ do you know of a workaround for this? | 06:06 |
| Keybuk | -F | 06:08 |
| Keybuk | -f -F | 06:08 |
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| Mithrandir | ah, thanks. | 06:09 |
| wasabi | heh. somehow I don't have pmount installed. | 06:09 |
| pitti | wasabi: nothing in standard ubuntu desktop needs it any more | 06:10 |
| wasabi | oh? | 06:10 |
| wasabi | I was wondering hwy my drives weren't automounting. ;0 | 06:10 |
| pitti | they should | 06:10 |
| pitti | wasabi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices, please | 06:10 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: there you go, it'll require source new; I'll try to get to that tomorrow. | 06:11 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: great, thanks! | 06:11 |
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| troy_s | Hey guys... what package has the gtk-engines development package in it? | 06:18 |
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| troy_s | in particular cairo-support.h | 06:22 |
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| Chipzz | troy_s: this is not a support channel; and try http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 06:24 |
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| troy_s | thanks chipzz. | 06:25 |
| troy_s | but i tried that. i figured i was missing something obvious. | 06:25 |
| somerville32 | pitti: ping | 06:27 |
| pitti | somerville32: hello | 06:28 |
| somerville32 | Have you seen https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/77383 ? | 06:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 77383 in vnc4 "vnc4 authentication bypass" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 06:28 |
| somerville32 | towsonu2003 set it to critical | 06:28 |
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| pitti | somerville32: yes, I saw it, but it's universe and thus we cannot prioritize it; we are currently busy with main stuff like firefox | 06:39 |
| somerville32 | Should it be marked critical? | 06:40 |
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| pitti | somerville32: it already is | 06:40 |
| somerville32 | I know. | 06:40 |
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| pitti | BenC: do you think the apport kernel changes are something for the sprint? shall I put it onto the agenda? | 06:42 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: we want libx86 in main for usplash; it's a librarification of source already in usplash, you're fine with just putting it directly in main, right? | 07:12 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: of course | 07:12 |
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| BenC | pitti: Probably so, I need to get the driver-manager changes in, and that's going to take most of my time | 08:34 |
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| siretart | Keybuk: TB meeting now? | 08:59 |
| Keybuk | siretart: yup | 09:00 |
| siretart | excellent :) | 09:00 |
| mjg59 | What's on the agenda? | 09:01 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: ffmpeg | 09:01 |
| mjg59 | Didn't we cover this last time? | 09:02 |
| === ogra thought that as well | ||
| Keybuk | mjg59: #ubuntu-meeting | 09:02 |
| siretart | ogra: the resolution was me to file a MIR. I made an request for xine-lib as interim solution, which I'd like to be discussed | 09:04 |
| siretart | ogra: in paralell, I wrote an email about ffmpeg to the tb mailing list | 09:04 |
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| ogra | Riddell, ping | 09:25 |
| Riddell | hi ogra | 09:25 |
| ogra | Riddell, could you merge the openbsd-inetd seedchange please, so netkit-inetd can get demoted ? | 09:25 |
| ogra | i pinged during your holidays already but without expecting success indeed :) | 09:26 |
| Riddell | I'm still on holiday :) | 09:26 |
| ogra | oh, ok | 09:26 |
| Riddell | but you're in luck, I have merge seeds coming right up on my todo list | 09:26 |
| ogra | yay | 09:27 |
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| Riddell | ogra: done | 09:35 |
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| lmanul | Keybuk: ping? | 10:36 |
| somerville32 | Is there anyone here that is subscribed to feisty-changes AND can mass fwd them to an address for me (for legit reasons, of course)? | 10:39 |
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| gnomefreak | initramfs-tools is whos package? | 10:41 |
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| Keybuk | lmanul: hi | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | somerville32: use the web archive? | 10:43 |
| lifeless | morin Keybuk | 10:43 |
| lifeless | erm | 10:43 |
| lifeless | 'moin' | 10:43 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: Hi :) | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | lifeless: hey, how goes it? | 10:43 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: I'd love a piece of advice | 10:44 |
| lifeless | mostly good, little virus going round sydney thats unpleasant though :( | 10:44 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: I'm thinking about service management for that spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServicesAdminRedesign | 10:44 |
| Keybuk | lifeless: hope it's gone by the time I get there <g> | 10:45 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: There's a dirty-but-seems-efficient solution to know whether a service is running or not, but I thought it might be easier/cleaner with upstart? | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | much cleaner with upstart | 10:45 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: its the same one struck down dunedin LCA AIUI | 10:45 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: Great, can you point me somewhere I can learn how to use it? Some man page? Web page? | 10:46 |
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| Keybuk | lmanul: man initctl | 10:47 |
| Keybuk | e,g, | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | quest scott% sudo initctl status tty1 | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | tty1 (start) running, process 4820 active | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | lifeless: less than two weeks to go!! *excited* | 10:48 |
| lifeless | whoot | 10:48 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: great! Perfect, exactly what I need. You rock :) | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | and I bought a brand new laptop, just for the flight <g> | 10:48 |
| Keybuk | (battery sucks on syndicate) | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | lmanul: a Python interface to that is in the works; not sure what the API would look like yet | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | >>> import upstart | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | >>> upstart.job_status("tty1") | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | ("start", "running", "active", 4820) | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | is the current thingy | 10:50 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: well, I guess using initctl directly should be fine for now... | 10:50 |
| lasindi | Hi all, not sure if this is the right channel, but here goes: I'm trying to create an Ubuntu package for a Python application I've recently written; I have no experience in packaging. I've been reading through this tutorial (http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/PackagingTutorial) I was directed to from the Ubuntu website, and when I ran dh_make, I chose CDBS as I have no binaries (because of Python). Is this the right choice (I get an error saying it | 10:51 |
| lasindi | can't find a .orig.tar.gz file)? | 10:51 |
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| Fujitsu | lasindi, #ubuntu-motu is your best bet. | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | lmanul: I guess it would just run "initctl list" first -- that gives you a status of every job upstart knows about | 10:53 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: speaking of upstart, can you toss your original python poc code somewhere? | 10:54 |
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| lasindi | Fujitsu: okay, the reason I came here is because I don't intend to put my app in Universe (as it's fairly customized), but I'll try there. Thanks | 10:54 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: hmm, does "knows about" imply the service is active? | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | lmanul: no, upstart knows about disabled services | 10:56 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: haven't had a clearance from on-high to release that yet | 10:56 |
| Keybuk | lmanul: note that all this is talking about things in /etc/event.d -- which for feisty should be all of the default install | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't help you for things still in /etc/init.d | 10:57 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: any timeline on that? i'm happy to mail mark to see if we can expedite things, if need be. | 10:57 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: Ah, ok, then I'll still be needed start-stop-daemon I guess | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: mail mark | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | lmanul: of course, start-stop-daemon won't work for anything in /etc/event.d | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | (yay, transition) | 10:58 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: okay. | 10:58 |
| lmanul | Keybuk: Ok, I should have all the info I want with both upstart and start-stop-daemon. Good | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: I'm totally unconvinced you even want to do it in Python | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | the signal handling just isn't sufficient | 10:59 |
| lmanul | neuralis: hi :) | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | (for an example of why init is special, compile the following code and run it with init= on the kernel command-line | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | for (;;) { | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | int *a = 0; | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | *a = 1; | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | } | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | and marvel at the lack of segv'ing :p | 11:00 |
| mjg59 | Aiee | 11:00 |
| mjg59 | trying to kill init | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: it won't kill it <g> | 11:00 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: i'm not hell-bent on using python for this, but we do need a forking launcher for python programs (which will obviously be in python), and i wanted to see if it'd make sense to graft what trivial init functionality we need onto that launcher. | 11:01 |
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| neuralis | lmanul: hi there. | 11:01 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: in all likelihood, we'll be starting just a few things at boot, with a stupidly simple depgraph | 11:02 |
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| tepsipakki | which ml should be the target for a "join my pkg team" kind of a (devel-centric) post? u-d, sounder? | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: starting isn't the problem ... dealing with the things the kernel needs init to do, that's the problem :) | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | tepsipakki: sounder | 11:07 |
| tepsipakki | Keybuk: ok, thanks | 11:07 |
| jdub | + debian/avahi-daemon.default: | 11:08 |
| jdub | - Don't start the daemon by default | 11:08 |
| jdub | ^ horror! | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | jdub: we're starting it by default in feisty | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | * debian/avahi-daemon.default: Start avahi by default. Our new | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DefaultNetworkServices policy allows this now, and | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | ZeroConfNetworking specifies enabling by default. | 11:08 |
| jdub | so this is just a merge thing | 11:09 |
| jdub | ? | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | "merge thing" ? | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | reference? | 11:09 |
| jdub | avahi (0.6.16-1ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low | 11:09 |
| jdub | * Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes: | 11:09 |
| jdub | ... | 11:09 |
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| jdub | + debian/avahi-daemon.default: | 11:09 |
| jdub | - Don't start the daemon by default | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | no idea | 11:09 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: well, we're not exactly going to have a lot of dynamic hardware changes. are there other things that are particularly ugly? | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | neuralis: yes, init has totally different signal handling than any other process | 11:10 |
| Keybuk | it's the parent of all processes without a parent, and has to reap them | 11:10 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 11:10 |
| Keybuk | jdub: my only guess is that pitti was asleep when he did that merge | 11:10 |
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| neuralis | Keybuk: so, does this work in your prototype? | 11:11 |
| neuralis | Keybuk: i'd be happier with "works but is somewhat uglyish" in python, than "works and isn't ugly" in C, in this instance. | 11:11 |
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| Keybuk | neuralis: no | 11:11 |
| Keybuk | jdub: the debian/avahi-daemon.default in the merged source certainly starts it | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | anyhoo, bed | 11:13 |
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| lifeless | wheee, spliteee | 11:30 |
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| siretart | Riddell: xine-lib 1.1.3-0ubuntu1 ACCEPTED :) | 11:48 |
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| Riddell | siretart: does debian also have the split ffmpeg package? | 11:52 |
| siretart | Riddell: not yet. I'm waiting for a) to release etch, or b) elmo create my debian account, at which point I'll upload it to experimental | 11:52 |
| Riddell | siretart: so does your upload to ubuntu have the split ffmpeg binary package? it doesn't say so in the merge changelog | 11:53 |
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