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[01:57] et vous aussi! [01:57] merci [01:57] ca va bien? [01:57] oui et toi ? [01:57] super! [01:58] pourai tu m'aider car je suis debutan sous ubuntu et jai beaucou de mal [01:58] pas en #ubuntu-devel, je crois [01:58] je sort tou juste de windows donc sa change :) [01:58] pardon ? [01:58] il faut parler anglais aussi, ici [01:58] ;) [01:59] a bon ? oulala [01:59] moi et l'angais [01:59] !fr [01:59] ... [01:59] allez en #ubuntu-fr ;) [01:59] ok merci :) [01:59] aurevoire [01:59] au voir [01:59] et bonne soir === panpan [i=atilas73@dyn-83-153-84-150.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === paran [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aba_ [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jg [n=jg@c-24-218-178-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=bip@unaffiliated/tsmithe] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Help] === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan_ [n=shackan@host98-75.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@20158129037.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rotarychainsaw_ [n=bj@ool-18bbaf15.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-65-34-37-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-96-5.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-65-34-37-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StunBo [n=sam@125-236-172-6.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyyserver [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.176.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.17.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tyme- [n=tyme@128-43.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] Does anyone know what library is used for on screen notifications? ie: battery charged, time left etc [05:23] libnotify [05:23] notification-daemon [05:23] tyme-: ^ [05:23] <3 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evan@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zOrK [n=eclipse@c-65-34-37-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.46.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] where is the dbus services located? === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] Does anyone want to take a look at my really awful python code? :) [06:12] What does it do? [06:12] It is the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Fesity Changes Mail Spool Parser [06:13] UWNFCMSP for sort [06:13] *short === nags [n=nags@61.246.53.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] :o [06:14] Yes, and code is even more gross :) [06:14] Hm... it sounds strangely interesting. [06:15] Offering via DCC [06:23] why not paste the code somewhere [06:25] Interesting idea [06:25] !halp .... -> checking for DBUS... no ; anyone have any idea why it's not finding DBUS? I have all the packages installed.. libdbus, dbus etcetc [06:25] pastebin.com somerville32 === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] or rafb.net/paste which is about 10x faster [06:26] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/207/ === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] It took about 20 minutes to code and test - it works so I guess I'm happy === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] Good morning [06:28] Morning Pitti [06:28] hey pitti [06:29] hey guys, had a nice celebration? [06:29] I stayed at home and coded :/ [06:29] I had a gastro-virus :( [06:30] !halp .... -> checking for DBUS... no ; anyone have any idea why it's not finding DBUS? I have all the packages installed.. libdbus, dbus etcetc [06:30] tyme-: are you doing development ? [06:30] I bought some rootbeer, cream soda, and cheezies - that was my excitement of the day. [06:33] yea [06:40] tyme-: what is that message coming from ? [06:40] lifeless: from ./configure [06:40] is this a new package, or an existing package you are rebuilding ? [06:40] existing package. I have all the libdbus/dbus packages updated [06:42] wdo you have libdbus-1-dev ? [06:43] yes [06:43] configure should output a log file showing what it ran [06:43] have a look at that [06:45] sec.. [06:53] seems it cant find it because it's not in pkg-config search path === mneptok stirs === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] Is Feisty still dead? [07:16] dead? [07:18] Totally fubar? [07:19] somerville32: WFM... === pitti thought you refered to the relative upload silence over the holidays [07:20] I was ambiguous, wasn't I. === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] somerville32: apparently if you use SATA you are fine, PATA has problems for some people === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@29.Red-81-39-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-236-154-89.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Czubek [n=Damian@abpm58.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@145.226-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.6.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anders__ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeros [i=zzz5443@CPE-76-177-175-30.natsoe.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54964D84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-e1b91b55bd80608c] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491EF5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] morning === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] pitti: have you ever security-reviewed putty? I finished porting it to gtk2 yesterday at last, and have been thinking of proposing it for main ... [11:03] :O [11:03] cjwatson: hello, and happy new year! [11:03] cjwatson: no, I never took a look at it [11:03] GTK2 PuTTY! It might look sane now :) [11:03] cjwatson: I'd be particularly interested in whether it properly mlock()s passphrases and such [11:08] font selection is broken since putty is expecting to use server-side fonts but gtk2's font selector only offers client-side fonts; aside from that it seems to be working ok [11:08] Fujitsu: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/tmp/putty-gtk1.png versus http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/tmp/putty-gtk2.png [11:09] pitti: no use of mlock() in the source ... [11:09] Looks much better, cjwatson :) [11:09] pitti: openssh doesn't mlock passphrases either [11:11] it's an interesting question for an ssh implementation; you should clearly mlock keys as well as passphrases. What about session state? [11:11] one would hope it's not possible to derive the key from the session state, of course [11:12] is the upload queue currently working? [11:12] doko: yes, you just hit a known fails-sometimes-for-no-reason case with gcc-3.3 [11:13] doko: the current workaround is just to upload it again :( [11:13] http://librarian.launchpad.net/5576777/elasrd0hlwGdtKrSAudllG0sjjp.txt [11:13] ok, trying again === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] strange that it bit two successive uploads though [11:15] cjwatson, it's been happening a /lot/ lately. [11:15] A large percentage of uploads are dropped. [11:15] it seems to be a couple a day [11:15] cjwatson, it hit four of mine in a row a couple days ago. [11:16] I'm not in a position to fix it, although I will raise it as a Soyuz priority [11:17] cjwatson: can I watch the upload processing myself (if it fails or succeeds)? === Fujitsu hopes we get bugmail back soon... === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] doko: afraid not; I can watch it for you [11:20] uploaded again [11:20] but of course if it succeeds you will be mailed [11:21] non-security uploads are processed every five minutes (*/5 * * * *); if you aren't getting mailed in that time plus usual mail delays, you can generally assume that there is some kind of problem === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-6b3d7df2bccb7b4d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] cjwatson: putty/pterm in main> shiny! [11:38] Hello again everyone. [11:38] iwj: regarding the discussion about domU kernels for Xen we had in MTV, have you looked into pygrub in the xen source tree? [11:39] Yes, I did look at it a bit. [11:39] ok, I didn't know if you were aware of it or not, but if you are, good. :-) [11:39] It uses an interface that our Xen didn't have at that point. [11:40] cjwatson: are you fixing vim to be installable again or should I? It fails in postinst when it tries to do some alternatives mangling [11:43] Mithrandir: any purpose for putty/pterm in main other than supportability? [11:44] jdub: I'd like my terminal emulator to be security supported. [11:44] and I believe cjwatson does too. :-) [11:44] so no, no other reason [11:44] jdub: nicer interface to opening ssh sessions than I believe exists elsewhere [11:45] I remember the lack of such an interface came up way back in hoary or so, but putty wasn't suitable then due to gtk1-ness [11:45] cjwatson: oh, ported! nice. [11:46] Mithrandir: it's tricky and weirder than you might expect - there's a Debian bug about it [11:46] how is it with utf-8 and so on? [11:46] Mithrandir: repeat dpkg --configure -a a few times and it'll work [11:46] jdub: it's had support for ages [11:46] hrm, ucrrnetly built for 1.2 though [11:46] jdub: yes, I finished the port yesterday [11:46] rock on [11:47] it has its own Unicode layer, so doesn't need pango for that [11:47] using pango? oh [11:47] making it use pango would be very difficult; since it's a cross-platform application, it needs to have lots of that code itself anyway [11:48] might be helpful for text rendering tho [11:48] it already has that :) [11:48] it has to know how to do stuff like bidi and arabic shaping for other platforms anyway [11:48] thai? arabic? indian? ... ? :) [11:49] cjwatson: uh, ok. [11:49] thai, arabic both work, not sure about indic [11:49] I think it's fine if you have the fonts [11:49] jdub: having it not use pango is a feature, antialiased terminal fonts is a nightmare. [11:50] heh, I *like* anti-aliased terminal fonts [11:50] but they look like somebody ran over them with a truck [11:50] Mithrandir: pango doesn't necessarily imply antialiased [11:50] Mithrandir: Debian bug #399024 [11:50] Debian bug 399024 in vim "Upgrade fails because of missing man page directory" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/399024 [11:51] (subject is wrong) [11:51] (well, sort of) [11:51] jdub: can you tell me what colour of stick I need to beat g-t with to make it give me proper fonts, then? :-) [11:52] I think it might be possible to make putty use pango optionally in some kind of limited way to get at client-side fonts, but I don't think there's any point in replacing putty's cross-platform rendering code with it === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Mithrandir: hmm? are your fontconfig settings right? [11:53] putty needs to know enough about how text is laid out that moving to pango for rendering would represent a complete architectural reshuffling [11:53] Keybuk: I haven't touched them, apart from with clicky tools, so I believe so. [11:57] Mithrandir: I use "Fixed 10", you need to reconfigure fontconfig to enable bitmap-fonts though [11:59] (Fixed SemiCondensed 10 actually) === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-127-64.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-06550bd3c8c9d752] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nn [n=joseph@75.109.12.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] tepsipakki: hmm, I could try that [12:03] where can i get all the 'stuff' used to automate release builds? I'm working on a fork of ubuntu on top of FreeBSD (and eventually Open and Net too) [12:03] it's the same font that xterm uses by default, I think.. [12:03] wanting to set up automated builds whenever something changes in either the ubuntu or {free,net,open}bsd upstreams [12:04] i really <3 ubuntu, but i really doko: I trust you noticed the openoffice.org-l10n FTBFS? [12:08] cjwatson: currently building on ronne === geser [n=michael@dialin104178.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] doko: thanks [12:16] nn: you're aware there already is a debian/fbsd port? :) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jg [n=jg@c-24-218-178-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] hey rodarvus, happy new year! [12:28] good morning! [12:28] hey pitti! [12:28] same for you :) [12:29] rodarvus: good morning [12:29] rodarvus: is the /usr/X11R6/bin -> ../bin symlink still needed? [12:29] doko, hi there! [12:30] doko, not for ubuntu itself, but for compatibility reasons, I guess [12:30] rodarvus: see bug 64726 [12:30] rodarvus: see bug #64726 [12:31] Ubugtu: ? [12:31] let me check === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] doko: dropping the symlink just for that bug seems like a rather nuclear approach, considering that there's an easy workaroun [12:35] workaround [12:35] hey cjwatson! [12:35] morning [12:37] cjwatson: well, first I would like to understand why the link is needed, after the transition to /usr/bin (for example, if there are binaries hardcoding paths to /usr/X11R6/bin) [12:38] doko: "for example"> correct [12:38] such instances are bugs (they should use /usr/bin/X11/ at the very least), but I'd like to keep the link around for as long as humanly possible [12:38] so our transition isn't yet finished =) [12:38] even if it is, there will always be third-party binaries [12:38] ok, I'll summarize in the report [12:39] doko: why doesn't our gcc just hardcode the paths it needs itself? [12:39] it seems pretty weird for it to work them out from argv[0] when in packaged form [12:41] yeah, you can argue that. the benefit is that you can unpack the installation in every place and it finds the correct binaries/headers etc. very useful to install the package multiple times and search for bugs between versions [12:42] doko: fair enough; maybe a fallback to the standard location if the guessed one is wrong would be appropriate [12:42] or even a specific exclusion for this case, hacky though that is === jamesh [n=james@203.193.209.99] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] cjwatson: maybe a special hack to detect the /usr/X11R6/bin situation could be done. not sure if it's worth the effort. === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti sings 'where have all my uploads gone -- where're they ever?' [01:02] Keybuk, cjwatson: any idea why my uploads (avahi, two times nss-mdns) got eaten? === Hobbsee hugs pitti === Hobbsee ate them, she was hungry [01:07] Hobbsee: spit it out! [01:07] pitti: uploaded when? [01:07] cjwatson: some hours ago, and just now [01:07] nope! === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, and stomps on his feet [01:08] Hobbsee: my feet are on my desk. :-P [01:09] who said i cant climb onto a desk? or i could just tip your chair over :P [01:09] process-upload seems to be stuck ... [01:10] Hobbsee: yay tabledancing :) [01:10] cjwatson: could it be failing to contact the ubuntu.com mail server? [01:10] that seems to be down === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-5eabe4df6aacf616] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] I'm stracing to find out [01:12] Keybuk: eh? [01:12] it is not [01:12] pitti: *grin* [01:12] elmo: I'm not getting mail from it [01:13] I don't think it's a mail problem, despite appearances [01:13] Keybuk: Jan 2 12:13:37 fiordland postfix/smtp[32076] : 101C7B680B7: to=, orig_to=, rela [01:13] y=paperboy.netsplit.com[82.108.80.242] , delay=0, status=sent (250 ok 1167740017 qp 1709) [01:14] lp takes about a week to start up inside strace [01:14] insane numbers of imports [01:14] elmo: the last bug mail I had was Friday ... [01:14] Keybuk, that's bug mail. It's stuffed. [01:14] Mithrandir: can you please give-back libzrtpcpp? thanks [01:15] Keybuk: bug mail for LP is down, that's an entirely separate problem and is an LP code issue, nothing to do with mail servers [01:15] it appears to hang doing an INSERT INTO SourcePackageRelease [01:15] oh well. no bug mail means we cant fix any bugs, surely.... [01:15] elmo: ah, ok; I combined that with the lack of anything in my ubuntu folder (no spam!) and assumed that it was just down [01:15] speaking of bugs and mail....guess i'd better go figure out if i have to file a MIR. === Fujitsu doesn't see any bugs on the bug mail issue. [01:16] geser: done [01:17] Fujitsu: feel free to file one on launchpad, if there really isn't one, and let me know what it is, and I'll bump it to critical [01:17] I've checked the malone and launchpad products... anywhere else I should be looking? [01:17] Keybuk: no spam??? *gasps and dies* === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B3C256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee concludes that kmail is just crap. [01:25] Fujitsu: no, that's it [01:29] well,bug mail isn't entirely down [01:29] where should a bug about out-of-date of Contents-$arch.gz files on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/ be filed? [01:29] I've received a few in the last week [01:30] geser, nowhere. Feisty is too much in flux to have an up to date Contents-$arch.gz all the time [01:31] this means apt-file is of no use on feisty now [01:31] geser: they shouldn't be, we generate them by hand once in a while. [01:31] Seveas: I'd be surprised - the bug mail code has been disabled [01:31] Seveas/Mithrandir: that's crack [01:31] Contents files should be auto-generated [01:31] but there's a bug open already, somewhere against the soyuz product, I'd imagine [01:32] elmo, 2:54 today i got one and one on thu, 17:29 and fri 10:43 (UTC) [01:32] I think we might have cronned it to happen weekly or so. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] the current Contents files are from 25 Oct 2006 [01:33] err, the friday mail is a false positive, sorry [01:33] Mithrandir: then it's not working very well... [01:34] elmo, on another note: are you available tue 9th at 21:00 for a CC meeting? [01:34] elmo: it doesn't appear in lp_publish's crontab either, which would explain why. :-P [01:34] Seveas: sure [01:34] great :) === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] training fingers to learn a new passphrase is painful :( [01:47] haha === Hobbsee wonders if it's better to fix kmail, or just remove install thunderbird by default in kubuntu :P === stefg [n=chatzill@dslb-088-074-059-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] cjwatson: was the gcc-defaults upload rejected? [01:57] smurf_: ping === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-126.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] doko: stalled due to Soyuz bug being investigated [01:59] doko: at least that's what's happening to all uploads right now [02:00] ok, collecting then for mass upload === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] Mithrandir: you're an archive admin right? any chance you could push mailody through feisty NEW for me please? === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Hobbsee: I did it half an hour ago [02:08] Mithrandir: way cool, thanks! === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-14-224.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vdepizzol [n=vinicius@200.242.12.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] doko: just upload them, they'll be processed when it's fixed [02:32] doko: should be working again now, thanks to elmo, cprov, et al === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] yay, thanks guys! [02:33] morning [02:36] hi zul, happy new year! [02:37] hey pitti, you too [02:40] can someone tell me why tuxguitar 0.8-3 was REJECTED.? [02:40] (sync from debian) [02:40] Hobbsee: it has licence problems. [02:40] right [02:40] ships some binaries in the .orig.tar.gz without source [02:40] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405295 [02:40] Debian bug 405295 in tuxguitar "tuxguitar: files without source in tarball" [Serious,Open] === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-8-133.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] Hobbsee: sorry that I forgot to Cc you on the rejection mail, but I didn't remember it was a requested sync. [02:42] Mithrandir: OK [02:42] ahhh [02:43] Mithrandir: i should have xen-3.0.4 by the end of the week so you can play with it [02:44] Hey all ! [02:44] Happy new year [02:45] zul: yay === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] Heya === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] ciao === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.74.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@84.13.229.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F6D7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] elmo: ? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] cjwatson, Mithrandir, Keybuk: please could you process the subversion binaries in NEW? === Welsh_Dwarf [n=david@ANantes-251-1-153-93.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] doko: I'll do it [04:11] Hi everyone, I've got a question about customising debian-installer (ubuntu alternate), whiwh is: what is a udeb? is it the same format as a deb? [04:11] which is, sorry :) [04:11] doko: or somebody did it before me; there are none there now. [04:11] Oh, and happy new year to all! === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] Welsh_Dwarf: http://people.debian.org/~fjp/talks/debconf6/paper/index.html#id2535182 [04:21] Brilliant, thanks :) === esaym [n=esaym@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] umm, how do you start ubiquity in expert mode? === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] cjwatson: ^- ? [04:40] there is an expert mode ? [04:40] no there isn't, I'm actually being a retard [04:40] don't mind me [04:41] what ogra implied [04:42] what are you actually trying to do? :) [04:43] cjwatson: mac pro install - was following your instructions from our conversation a couple of weeks ago while half asleep === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBAF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] ubiquity could do with learning about --help tho ;-) [04:44] elmo: it has so learnt, in feisty [04:45] but yeah, you want d-i [04:46] cjwatson: ok - has it learnt how to bail if screen res is < what it actually supports? ;-) === daq4th [n=darkness@2001:780:390:cafe:1000:0:0:5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] elmo: no === pirast [n=martin@p508B1FC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] cjwatson: reasonable request/wishlist bug report? [04:56] elmo: you could tack it on as an alternate suggestion in bug 38442 [04:56] Malone bug 38442 in ubiquity "Doesn't support 640x480 resolution" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38442 === Cashel [n=doc@70-57-122-174.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] cjwatson: done, thanks === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust2.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] Mithrandir: did you get time to try to nail down that console-setup problem at any point? === martin__ [n=martin@p508B00F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] cjwatson, Keybuk: please could you promote libjaxp1.3-java (needed by current libxalan2-java and libxerces2-java builds) [05:17] cjwatson: no, sorry, I've entirely forgotten. [05:17] cjwatson: I can try to get it done tomorrow. === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] Mithrandir: can I ask you again about postgresql-8.2, so that we'll get enough time for the transition? [05:24] doko: done; please direct routine archive admin requests to Mithrandir from now on [05:25] cjwatson: ok, thanks === Cashel [n=doc@70-57-122-174.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] cjwatson: I have a question...what's the purpose of building ia64 stuff if it isn't going to be published? [05:29] none of my kernels ever show up on ports for ia64 === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] BenC: that's a sysadmin question ... ports.ubuntu.com mirroring is probably a bit broken [05:36] BenC: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.19/ has some stuff, but I think is outdated, so maybe it was only broken recently [05:36] elmo: ? [05:37] cjwatson: It's interesting that no one else has complained :) [05:39] ah, excellent [05:39] it's ia64... ;-) [05:42] for a community port, it definitely is missing the community aspect [05:42] fixed [05:42] unless lamont == community :) [05:42] it hadn't synced in like, uh, a month [05:42] elmo: thanks [05:42] I'll file a bug on soyuz for hiding the errors [05:43] elmo: should I see stuff on ports.u.c now? [05:43] I see an empty linux-source-2.6.20 directory [05:43] BenC: give it 2-3 minutes [05:43] ok [05:43] BenC: it's syncing over Gb, but it still takes time to catch up over a month [05:44] so what's the deal with hppa, while we're on the subject of ports? [05:45] I thought feisty was supposed to be parisc's come-back release === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] away for the evening ... [05:55] pitti: can you remind me about what you was asking again? It's been a few days. [05:56] Mithrandir: to sync/NEW the package from Debian to Ubuntu main [05:56] bug 75114 [05:56] Malone bug 75114 in Ubuntu "Please sync postgresql-8.2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75114 [05:56] pitti: oh, sure. [05:56] Mithrandir: sorry for the urge, but the earlier we do it, the less work we'll have for the universe transition [05:57] pitti: sure, no problem, I'll just have to find my laptop === pitti hugs Mithrandir [05:58] Mithrandir: happy new year! [05:58] pitti: same to you :-) [06:01] pitti: to main or universe? [06:02] Mithrandir: straight to main would be best [06:02] pitti: ok, willdo [06:02] Mithrandir: after we'll have it there, I'll care for obsoleting 8.1 in main === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo_ [n=gicmo@p5491F0D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] I figured that much. :-) === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-9468.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] sync-source seems to fail to generate a .changes file since libecpg-dev is in main, but the new source isn't. [06:05] even with -f to force it. [06:06] Keybuk: ^^ do you know of a workaround for this? [06:08] -F [06:08] -f -F === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] ah, thanks. [06:09] heh. somehow I don't have pmount installed. [06:10] wasabi: nothing in standard ubuntu desktop needs it any more [06:10] oh? [06:10] I was wondering hwy my drives weren't automounting. ;0 [06:10] they should [06:10] wasabi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices, please [06:11] pitti: there you go, it'll require source new; I'll try to get to that tomorrow. [06:11] Mithrandir: great, thanks! === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] Hey guys... what package has the gtk-engines development package in it? === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:22] in particular cairo-support.h === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] troy_s: this is not a support channel; and try http://packages.ubuntu.com/ === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] thanks chipzz. [06:25] but i tried that. i figured i was missing something obvious. [06:27] pitti: ping [06:28] somerville32: hello [06:28] Have you seen https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/77383 ? [06:28] Malone bug 77383 in vnc4 "vnc4 authentication bypass" [Critical,Unconfirmed] [06:28] towsonu2003 set it to critical === dous [n=dous@124.107.251.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust2.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:39] somerville32: yes, I saw it, but it's universe and thus we cannot prioritize it; we are currently busy with main stuff like firefox [06:40] Should it be marked critical? === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Parting"] [06:40] somerville32: it already is [06:40] I know. === apichart [n=apichart@125-25-150-25.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=xerxas@mut38-5-82-246-190-19.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] BenC: do you think the apport kernel changes are something for the sprint? shall I put it onto the agenda? === pradeep_ [n=pradeep@59.92.65.108] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vdepizzol [n=vinicius@200.242.12.134] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-14-224.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] pitti: we want libx86 in main for usplash; it's a librarification of source already in usplash, you're fine with just putting it directly in main, right? 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[09:00] siretart: yup [09:00] excellent :) [09:01] What's on the agenda? [09:01] mjg59: ffmpeg [09:02] Didn't we cover this last time? === ogra thought that as well [09:02] mjg59: #ubuntu-meeting [09:04] ogra: the resolution was me to file a MIR. I made an request for xine-lib as interim solution, which I'd like to be discussed [09:04] ogra: in paralell, I wrote an email about ffmpeg to the tb mailing list === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk_ [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] Riddell, ping [09:25] hi ogra [09:25] Riddell, could you merge the openbsd-inetd seedchange please, so netkit-inetd can get demoted ? [09:26] i pinged during your holidays already but without expecting success indeed :) [09:26] I'm still on holiday :) [09:26] oh, ok [09:26] but you're in luck, I have merge seeds coming right up on my todo list [09:27] yay === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] ogra: done === ScottK [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.113] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === niroxx [n=niroxx@achn-4db48206.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-71.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lasindi [n=lasindi@198.68.30.48] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-134-135.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbb [n=mbb@d7-225.rb.gh.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] Keybuk: ping? [10:39] Is there anyone here that is subscribed to feisty-changes AND can mass fwd them to an address for me (for legit reasons, of course)? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] initramfs-tools is whos package? === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] lmanul: hi [10:43] somerville32: use the web archive? [10:43] morin Keybuk [10:43] erm [10:43] 'moin' [10:43] Keybuk: Hi :) [10:43] lifeless: hey, how goes it? [10:44] Keybuk: I'd love a piece of advice [10:44] mostly good, little virus going round sydney thats unpleasant though :( [10:44]