| lophyte | superm1: you around? | 12:12 |
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| superm1 | lophyte, i'm here | 01:01 |
| superm1 | lophyte, just got back from new years celebrations | 01:01 |
| lophyte | superm1: hehe, nice.. how was your holidays/ | 01:04 |
| superm1 | very good | 01:04 |
| superm1 | and you? | 01:04 |
| lophyte | pretty good | 01:04 |
| superm1 | so whats up? | 01:05 |
| lophyte | trying to set up a myth box, finally | 01:05 |
| superm1 | okay come in #ubuntu-mythtv | 01:05 |
| superm1 | we'll chat there | 01:05 |
| lophyte | oh, didn't know there *was* a channel for that.. | 01:05 |
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| lukaswayne9 | Hello all! I've just uploaded a new version of my application, GFCEU, to the revu. It sports some new features and critical bug fixes, and I really hope to see it get into fiesty! If you have the chance, please review it! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3930 | 04:15 |
| crimsun | you'll have better luck later in the week, I suspect | 04:16 |
| crimsun | lukaswayne9, err, is there no use of the new Python policy? | 04:18 |
| lukaswayne9 | Alright | 04:18 |
| lukaswayne9 | new? Newer since edgy? | 04:18 |
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| crimsun | lukaswayne9, are you using python-support or python-central? | 04:18 |
| lukaswayne9 | Oh damn, I built this on edgy :-\ I've been out of the building scene for a while... | 04:19 |
| crimsun | it should only be a very quick change | 04:19 |
| lukaswayne9 | What change? | 04:19 |
| crimsun | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ | 04:21 |
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| lukaswayne9 | After reading the FAQ, I'm still not clear on what needs to be changed | 04:25 |
| crimsun | well, are you going to use pysupport or pycentral? | 04:26 |
| crimsun | (note you're not build-depending on one) | 04:26 |
| lukaswayne9 | pysupport i suppose | 04:27 |
| crimsun | well, you have to do it explicitly (i.e., add it), because neither is implicit | 04:27 |
| lukaswayne9 | Alright. WIll I still need to include python-dev? | 04:27 |
| crimsun | you'll want to change that to python-all-dev | 04:29 |
| lukaswayne9 | And with the depends... I should change ${python:Depends} to python, python-support ? | 04:30 |
| crimsun | no, that remains | 04:33 |
| lukaswayne9 | So where does python-support come into play? Just add it to the depends list? | 04:33 |
| crimsun | you'd b-d on it | 04:35 |
| lukaswayne9 | okay | 04:35 |
| lukaswayne9 | alright, uploaded again | 04:35 |
| lukaswayne9 | thanks a lot | 04:35 |
| crimsun | make sure you added the dh_pysupport invocation prior to dh_python in debian/rules | 04:36 |
| crimsun | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ap-packaging_tools.html#s-pysupport | 04:36 |
| StevenK | Adri2000: Just so you can stop bothering me, please look at Debian Mentors which do this sort of thing. | 04:37 |
| lukaswayne9 | crimsun: okay, reuploaded | 04:39 |
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| crimsun | lukaswayne9, in the future, please be careful with debian/changelog | 04:53 |
| crimsun | the two latest entries don't have update timestamps | 04:53 |
| crimsun | updated, even | 04:53 |
| crimsun | lukaswayne9, uploaded. | 04:55 |
| crimsun | rexbron, some misspellings in debian/changelog | 04:56 |
| rexbron | uug | 04:56 |
| rexbron | im owned | 04:56 |
| rexbron | let me re-read it, then kick myself | 04:56 |
| lukaswayne9 | crimsun: alright! thank you | 04:58 |
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| rexbron | crimsun: fixed to and relevent, any others? | 05:00 |
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| crimsun | rexbron, the very first bit is awkward: "Removed rule to related to config.guess" | 05:02 |
| rexbron | crimsun: question, should I just remove all references to that rule, or rephrase | 05:02 |
| lifeless | rexbron: more detail will make it less awkward | 05:03 |
| rexbron | ok | 05:03 |
| lifeless | rexbron: i.e. 'stop deleting config.guess inappropriately' | 05:03 |
| lifeless | or whatever | 05:03 |
| rexbron | ok | 05:04 |
| rexbron | crimsun, lifeless: anything else before I upload? | 05:05 |
| crimsun | now's as good as any | 05:05 |
| rexbron | umm, I am uploading it but forgot to add in the changelog, that I fixed typos (I did not think it warrented it, was I wrong?) | 05:09 |
| crimsun | err, well, that was the point of the upload ;) | 05:09 |
| rexbron | so it is going to show up as ubuntu4 | 05:10 |
| crimsun | that's fine | 05:10 |
| rexbron | ok | 05:10 |
| crimsun | when it's finally uploaded to Ubuntu it'll be -0ubuntu1 | 05:10 |
| rexbron | i see | 05:10 |
| === Kamping_Kaiser doesnt get the naming stuff | ||
| crimsun | what specifically about the naming scheme? | 05:12 |
| rexbron | Kamping_Kaiser: <program>_<upstream version>-<debian version>ubuntu<ubuntu version> | 05:12 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | the bit where ubuntu version gets attached | 05:13 |
| rexbron | baisically, if a ubuntu person makes a change to make it work with ubuntu (or any change for that matter) we up our own version nimber | 05:14 |
| rexbron | *number | 05:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | -0ubuntu1 <is that debian version 0, ubuntu version 1? or are both numbers ubuntu version? | 05:14 |
| rexbron | right on the first case | 05:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | its suddenly much clearer :\ | 05:14 |
| crimsun | it means that packaging version is not in Debian, but yes, the Ubuntu packaging version is 1 | 05:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | what if debian now package it, does ubuntu have the option to keep its version (0ubuntux), or to sync in debians? (1ubuntux) | 05:15 |
| rexbron | a sync is when debian changes match ubuntu chagnes | 05:16 |
| rexbron | otherwise it is a merge | 05:16 |
| crimsun | Kamping_Kaiser, in that case we have a skew, and a decision has to be made whether to "fakesync" (use Debian's packaging infrastructure) or to continue with Ubuntu's | 05:16 |
| lifeless | rexbron: sometimes we talk all the changes, but still cannot sync | 05:17 |
| lifeless | because having changed the version number, dependencies in other packages also changed. | 05:17 |
| lifeless | s/talk/take/ | 05:17 |
| rexbron | ok | 05:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | crimsun, i think i see :) | 05:18 |
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| acacs | opa | 06:22 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 | 06:24 |
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| poningru | zomg | 07:26 |
| poningru | can someone bring in alpine and alpine-pico from debian?? | 07:26 |
| Lathiat | alpine eh | 07:26 |
| === Amaranth needs to do a vala package | ||
| Lathiat | vala? | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | it's a new programming language | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | well, sort of | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | it's like pyrex | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | http://vala.paldo.org/ | 07:30 |
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| crimsun | we need a "verify these $release-proposed SRU" day | 09:01 |
| === imbrandon_ agrees | ||
| === Fujitsu also agrees. | ||
| === Fujitsu attacks this erlang build. | ||
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| jenda | Hello. | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | hello jenda | 10:45 |
| fowlduck | hello | 10:45 |
| === jenda has a question, just waiting for someone to pastebin somethnig. | ||
| jenda | The/a dev of KDEnlive and MLT has created deb packages, and the question got to me, but I am clueless, as usual... | 10:47 |
| jenda | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/216/ | 10:48 |
| jenda | there | 10:48 |
| crimsun | it's unclear what the question(s) is(are). | 10:50 |
| crimsun | is he looking for Web hosting? Source package review? Both? | 10:50 |
| jenda | I'm not sure really... | 10:52 |
| fowlduck | I don't think he knows the process to get them included | 10:52 |
| jenda | crimsun: more like - what do you do if you want to make your deb package available to Ubuntu users. | 10:52 |
| crimsun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New and the link(s) in the topic. | 10:53 |
| crimsun | the last link in the topic is most immediately relevant | 10:53 |
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| jenda | crimsun, fowlduck: ok, thanks. | 11:05 |
| crimsun | np | 11:05 |
| fowlduck | yeah, glad to help (although crimsun did all the heavy lifting, as usual) | 11:07 |
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| slytherin | Can anyone tell me who review packages uploaded to REVU? | 11:31 |
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| crimsun | slytherin, anyone can | 11:33 |
| crimsun | however, only members of ubuntu-dev have advocate votes that matter | 11:33 |
| crimsun | currently two advocate (positive) votes are required to upload a new source package to the current development version | 11:33 |
| slytherin | crimsun: Thanks. | 11:34 |
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| crimsun | Amaranth, let me know if your alsa issue is still relevant in 2.6.20-3.4 (now available) | 12:10 |
| gnomefreak | not yet here crimsun we just got the libc6-dev for 2.6.20-3 | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | linux-libc-dev i mean | 12:13 |
| crimsun | it's definitely available from archive.uc | 12:13 |
| crimsun | I just rebooted into 2.6.20-3-lowlatency | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | i guess im waiting for the meta than -generic hasnt hit archive.ubuntu.com | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | in updates atleast | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | ah i see it in repos just no restricted-modules for it yet (assuming thats one reason it hasnt been sent to updates yet | 12:18 |
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| finalbeta | I clicked the first link in the topic expecting to find how to actually make a .deb. I'm 6 links further and still not the wiser. | 12:29 |
| battlesquid | i'd like to recommend gruler be added to a ubuntu repository, because kruler doesn't work well (with borders!) in gnome | 12:30 |
| crimsun | you missed the Ubuntu Packaging Guide completely. | 12:30 |
| crimsun | ^ finalbeta | 12:30 |
| finalbeta | I see, the wiki has some issues. Now that I press back, I did see the kubuntu packaging guide. | 12:31 |
| finalbeta | Ok, cewl, thnx. Will try this. | 12:32 |
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| crimsun | UPG is available from help.ubuntu.com, or if you're using GNOME, System> Help> System Documentation> Contributing to Ubuntu> Maintaining Ubuntu | 12:33 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | libavahi-common3 0.6.10-0ubuntu3.3 <- how can you have .3 of an upload? does that just mean "made a slight change"? | 12:55 |
| geser | it's the 3rd update to a "stable" package | 12:57 |
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| crimsun | Kamping_Kaiser, the versioning scheme is different for updates, as geser mentioned | 12:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | so you will get x.x in -updates and -security? | 12:58 |
| crimsun | generally, yes | 12:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thanks both | 12:58 |
| crimsun | and x.x~proposed1 to $release-proposed | 12:58 |
| crimsun | and possibly x.x~$release# for backports | 12:59 |
| crimsun | there is method to the madness | 12:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | this gets complex fairly fast. at least its organised madness | 12:59 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | does anyone here use firefox? can you look at the man page in OPTIONS? i think its missing an F... i just want to know its not just my setup. | 01:21 |
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| Fujitsu | Where in the OPTIONS section? | 01:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | A summary of the options supported by irefox is included below. | 01:24 |
| Fujitsu | Nope, your setup. | 01:24 |
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| Fujitsu | I get a nice bolded lowercase `firefox' | 01:24 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | might be a fixed-after-dapper bug | 01:24 |
| Lathiat | Kamping_Kaiser: security releases | 01:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Lathiat, cheers. wonder why i havent picked it up :/ | 01:31 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | in a debian/rules file, if i want to echo <some text "somemoretext ;"> into another file, do i need to escape all the special charactesr? <>;" | 02:00 |
| Adri2000 | slomo: two things about liferea on feisty: I don't know what liferea-bin is supposed to do, do you? anyway it segfaults here. also, since I'm on feisty, my liferea is in english instead of french, I tried whith other locales and it doesn't seem to work either | 02:00 |
| geser | slomo: hello, can I merge prj2make-sharp? | 02:03 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | Hi Motu developers | 02:04 |
| MehdiHassanpour | I've asked for ttf-freefarsi package to be add in Feisty universe | 02:05 |
| MehdiHassanpour | It's been added to Debian's unstable | 02:06 |
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| Hobbsee | hey PriceChild | 02:08 |
| PriceChild | Hobbsee: !!!!!! :D | 02:08 |
| PriceChild | how're you? | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | good | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | MehdiHassanpour: doing it | 02:09 |
| MehdiHassanpour | Hobbsee: Thanks :-) | 02:09 |
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| PriceChild | gd gd | 02:11 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | i dont see this covered in ubuntus packaging guide (but perhaps i just didnt read the right bit). i'm trying to make a derived package from firefox (just changing a few settings), and i get this error. i renamed the source dir, if thats useful info: | 02:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./firefox-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.8karl0' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `firefox-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.8' | 02:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg-source: warning: .orig directory name firefox-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.8karl0.orig is not <package>-<upstreamversion> (wanted firefox-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.8.orig) | 02:14 |
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| geser | the .orig.tar.gz has still the old directory name hence the warning | 02:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | so i should rename the diff, dsc, orig.tar.gz and the source dir, not just source dir? | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | Kamping_Kaiser: but you can ignore it, if it's a warning | 02:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Hobbsee, i prefer not to ignore warnings, they always come back to haunt me :) | 02:17 |
| geser | the diff and dsc get the new names automatically once you build a new source package | 02:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thanks. | 02:17 |
| geser | the old dir name is inside the orig.tar.gz (use tar tzf to see it) | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | Kamping_Kaiser: heh. you can ignore that one though | 02:18 |
| geser | Kamping_Kaiser: if you really want to get rid of the warning, you have to unpack the orig.tar.gz, rename the dir and tar it up again | 02:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Hobbsee, :) | 02:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | is that ok, with the 'dont mess with orig.tar.gz' rule? | 02:19 |
| Jozo- | Kamping_Kaiser: Don't change upstream version, if there is no need to change it. | 02:20 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm | 02:21 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for explaining this btw geser and folk | 02:21 |
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| xerxas | Hi ! | 02:44 |
| xerxas | Happy new year to all of you | 02:45 |
| slomo | geser: sure | 02:48 |
| slomo | Adri2000: well... it should work ;) | 02:48 |
| Adri2000 | slomo: liferea-bin or locales? or both? | 02:52 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hey mate :) | 02:54 |
| bddebian | Heya Kamping_Kaiser | 02:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 02:54 |
| Lutin | hello bddebian | 02:55 |
| bddebian | Hello Lutin | 02:55 |
| Adri2000 | slomo: there is no .mo files in the .deb | 02:57 |
| Lutin | bddebian: do you have 5 min to help me with the allegrogl pkg, on revu ? | 02:57 |
| slomo | Adri2000: it's in the language packs | 02:57 |
| slomo | Adri2000: once they're updated again... | 02:57 |
| Adri2000 | ahhhh yes it's in main now | 02:57 |
| Adri2000 | okay :) | 02:57 |
| slomo | ademan: and liferea-bin should work normally... well, does "liferea" work for you? ;) | 02:58 |
| Adri2000 | Adri2000* :p liferea works yes but liferea-bin segfaults | 02:58 |
| slomo | Adri2000: probably mozilla-madness *shrug* ;) | 02:58 |
| Lutin | bddebian: actually I don't konw what to do whith the lib .... lintian says it's a sharedlib, but i provides no .so.x.x, has no soversion ... would be great if you had a clue :) | 03:06 |
| bddebian | Yeah, it would be :) | 03:07 |
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| Lutin | lol | 03:09 |
| giskard | ciao | 03:10 |
| bddebian | Heya giskard | 03:13 |
| bddebian | Lutin: Actually, I believe the -dev package should have .so.X.X | 03:14 |
| Lutin | bddebian: that means I'd have to patch the makefile to actually generate it ? | 03:15 |
| bddebian | Give me a sec | 03:17 |
| bddebian | What the heck is the objdump parameter to get the SONAME? | 03:17 |
| geser | -p or -x | 03:21 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I didn't know -x did SONAME. Thx geser | 03:21 |
| geser | -x includes -p | 03:22 |
| bddebian | Ahh | 03:22 |
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| bddebian | Lutin: I wonder if that lib has issues. I believe libs should have an SONAME | 03:23 |
| Lutin | bddebian: what should I do then ? | 03:24 |
| geser | Lutin: what gives "objdump -p libagl.so | grep SONAME"? | 03:27 |
| Lutin | geser: give me 5 min, I have to build it on this pc :) | 03:28 |
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| bddebian | geser: Nothing | 03:31 |
| Lutin | the point is, as it's intended to be a plugin to allegro, it's not build like a sharedlib i guess | 03:32 |
| bddebian | Well it's building libagl.so | 03:33 |
| Lutin | so, I should ask upstream to modify the autofoo stuff to provide soname and lib.so.x.x, (or do it myself) ? | 03:39 |
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| bddebian | Upstream would probably be preferred. But I may be wrong about this. I'm certainly no library expert.. | 03:40 |
| azeem | Lutin: if it's a plugin, does it get installed into /usr/lib/allegro or something? | 03:41 |
| bddebian | Yes, /usr/lib/libagl.so | 03:42 |
| azeem | so, no :) | 03:42 |
| bddebian | So no, what? | 03:43 |
| azeem | if it's a plugin, it has no business getting put into /usr/lib | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Oh. heh sorry | 03:43 |
| azeem | it should get put into a subdirectory where allegro can find it | 03:43 |
| azeem | and plugins don't count as libraries, so no soname issues | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Ah, OK, thx | 03:43 |
| Lutin | azeem: ok | 03:47 |
| Lutin | azeem: and still should be updated to have a soname and such ? | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Lutin: So, just stick it in /usr/lib/allegro/libagl.so or so and make sure allegro can find it :-) | 03:47 |
| Lutin | bddebian: ok | 03:48 |
| bddebian | Lutin: No, not for a plug-in apparently | 03:48 |
| Lutin | bddebian: some software rely on that plugin, such as the ta3d game, so I wonder if it's only a plugin | 03:48 |
| azeem | Lutin: no, check out other allegro plugins for package naming conventions, if any | 03:48 |
| azeem | something like allegro-plugin-ag or whatever would be more suiteable in this case I guess | 03:49 |
| azeem | Lutin: how does ta3d rely on it? | 03:49 |
| azeem | check whether objdump -x ta3d |grep NEEDED lists it | 03:49 |
| Lutin | azeem: ok | 03:50 |
| Lutin | azeem: if it does, what does that means ? | 03:50 |
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| azeem | Lutin: then it would mean libag1 is a true library and not a plugin | 03:51 |
| stgraber | Is there any problem with REVU ? | 03:52 |
| stgraber | my upload appears to be stuck in the FTP | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Here is where the allegro arts plugin puts it: | 03:53 |
| bddebian | usr/lib/allegro/4.2/alleg-artsdigi.so | 03:53 |
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| Lutin | bddebian: ok, thanks | 03:55 |
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| Lutin | azeem: currently building ta3d, I'll check the objdump thing asap | 04:02 |
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| Lutin | azeem: NEEDED libagl.so | 04:07 |
| Lutin | seems that it's a true librairy | 04:08 |
| bddebian | Ack | 04:10 |
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| Lutin | so I have to ask to upstream to provide the lib.so.x.x and a soname/soversion | 04:17 |
| jorgp | is there a mplayer 1.0rc1+ planned for multiverse? | 04:19 |
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| Lutin | bddebian: did you see the liballegro4.2 source package ? all fixed by the debian maintainer. seems the upstream is not wanting to use libtool ^^ | 04:58 |
| bddebian | joy | 04:59 |
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| stgraber | Can anyone check why uploads got stuck on the FTP and doesn't appear on REVU ? | 05:07 |
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| bddebian | How do I best do docbook2man in a CDBS package? | 05:17 |
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| Lutin | bddebian: I don't understand what exactly means those linda warnings on kayali :/ | 05:23 |
| bddebian | Lutin: Me either | 05:24 |
| Lutin | bddebian: lol | 05:26 |
| Lutin | I can't get what's wrong with having a 775 chmod on a script | 05:26 |
| Lutin | err. 755 | 05:27 |
| geser | it's missing a she-bang | 05:29 |
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| Toadstoo1 | heya everybody | 05:32 |
| Toadstoo1 | happy new year | 05:32 |
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| bddebian | Heya Toadstoo1, to you also | 05:34 |
| bddebian | geser: Hey, do you know how I can get a docbook to a manpage in a CDBS package? | 05:35 |
| geser | bddebian: no | 05:36 |
| geser | have you tried to use one of the several cdbs hooks? | 05:36 |
| Toadstool | why the heck was my nick Toadstoo1? :p | 05:37 |
| Toadstool | I hate nickserv ^^ | 05:37 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: can I "merge" msttcorefonts? ("" because it's really an easy merge :p, updated merge) | 05:38 |
| bddebian | geser: Yeah, I found it, thanks | 05:41 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: Go for it, thanks | 05:42 |
| Adri2000 | ok, I will need someone for uploading, and that's the bigger part of the job for this merge :P | 05:42 |
| Adri2000 | but first, pbuilding... | 05:43 |
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| Adri2000 | -> http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/msttcorefonts_1.6ubuntu1.debdiff (from 1.6), I hope my changelog is ok... | 05:56 |
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| Lutin | does anyone know what that linda warning acutally means ? | 06:18 |
| Lutin | W: kayali; Executable /usr/share/kayali/MaximaParserTokenTypes.txt with perms 0755 is not an ELF file or script. | 06:18 |
| Lutin | err. .py, not.txt | 06:19 |
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| bddebian | Lutin: It's telling you that you have executable "rights" on a non-script or ELF file | 06:22 |
| Lutin | bddebian: ok | 06:23 |
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| Toadstool | Lutin: which in this particular case means that you should either change the rights on this file or add a shebang if it is supposed to be executed | 06:27 |
| Lutin | Toadstool: hay ! | 06:27 |
| Toadstool | hi Lutin | 06:28 |
| Lutin | (thanks a lot) how are you ? | 06:28 |
| Toadstool | good, how are you? | 06:28 |
| Lutin | fine, thanks :) | 06:29 |
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| Sp4rKy | hi there | 06:30 |
| Sp4rKy | Toadstool: hi ! | 06:30 |
| Toadstool | heya Sp4rKy | 06:31 |
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| Amaranth | alright, time to show my newbiness | 06:35 |
| Amaranth | how do i do this revu thing? :) | 06:35 |
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| bddebian | Amaranth: Upload or reviewing? | 06:45 |
| Amaranth | upload | 06:45 |
| bddebian | dput revu foo*.changes :-) | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | starting from scratch, i've never used it in any form | 06:46 |
| somerville32 | kAmaranth: Watcha doin'? | 06:46 |
| bddebian | Ahh | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | somerville32: vala | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | http://vala.pardo.org | 06:46 |
| somerville32 | Is it a programming language, kAmaranth? | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | and stop that :P | 06:46 |
| somerville32 | What do you mean kAmaranth? :) | 06:47 |
| geser | is it a kde programm? | 06:47 |
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| Amaranth | geser: nope | 06:47 |
| somerville32 | Should be | 06:48 |
| Amaranth | more GNOME related, it's a programming language that leans on glib (specifically gobject) to convert a C#-like syntax into C then compile it | 06:48 |
| somerville32 | Interesting | 06:49 |
| Amaranth | very | 06:49 |
| Amaranth | ugh, pbuilder is so slow | 06:51 |
| Amaranth | just realized i never updated it for feisty | 06:51 |
| somerville32 | Amaranth: I have a 333mhz | 06:52 |
| Amaranth | oh, it's http://vala.paldo.org btw | 06:53 |
| Amaranth | typos ftw | 06:53 |
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| bddebian | Do I have to do something special when I have an xml docbook file to create the manpage? | 07:00 |
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| Adri2000 | bddebian: could you upload the msttcorefonts merge please? http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/msttcorefonts_1.6ubuntu1.debdiff | 07:05 |
| Q-FUNK | has anybody heard anything about ubuntu abandoning the powerpc port? | 07:05 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: docbook2man? | 07:07 |
| bddebian | Aye, I'm using that. Well docbook-to-man. I'm not sure of the difference between docbook2man and docbook-to-man | 07:08 |
| bddebian | But I get: | 07:08 |
| bddebian | W: pegsolitaire; Manual page /usr/share/man/man1/pegsolitaire.1.gz failed to run through lexgrog. | 07:08 |
| bddebian | How do I keep cdbs from installing files I don't want it to install? Do I have add an install/package:: target and rm the files manually? | 07:14 |
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| Q-FUNK | bddebian: .la files? | 07:21 |
| bddebian | Q-FUNK: ?/ | 07:22 |
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| bddebian | Adri2000: Uploaded | 07:37 |
| Adri2000 | thanks | 07:39 |
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| bddebian | No, THANK YOU :) | 07:57 |
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| LaserJock | hi MOTU Land | 08:57 |
| zul_ | hey LaserJock | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | hi zul_ | 09:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | bddebian! | 09:02 |
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| siretart | bddebian: didn't you apply for ubuntu-core-dev? | 09:11 |
| siretart | bddebian: TB Meeting going on right now | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | oh, it is? | 09:12 |
| siretart | right now, yes | 09:13 |
| hub | am I the only one unable to upgrade feisty pbuilder because of vim? | 09:13 |
| hub | Setting up vim-tiny (7.0-164+1ubuntu1) ... | 09:14 |
| hub | update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/share/man/ru.KOI8-R/man1/vi.1.gz.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi.ru.KOI8-R.1.gz: No such file or directory | 09:14 |
| hub | dpkg: error processing vim-tiny (--configure): | 09:14 |
| hub | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 | 09:14 |
| hub | pbuilder update fails with that | 09:14 |
| bddebian | siretart: A long time ago. I gave up. They don't want me :-) | 09:16 |
| siretart | bddebian: eh! | 09:19 |
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| TheGods | howdy | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | hi | 09:41 |
| TheGods | hi | 09:42 |
| TheGods | does anyone here know anything about cinelerra? | 09:42 |
| Lutin | when I use this line in debian/rules, the build fails. does anyone see what's wrong ? | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | TheGods: not much. it's currently being worked on by the Ubuntu Studio folks | 09:43 |
| Lutin | for file in `find -name "*.py"`; do [ -n "`head -n 1 $file | grep #!`" ] && chmod 755 $file; done | 09:43 |
| TheGods | LaserJock, i am one of those folks ;) | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | ah Toby | 09:44 |
| TheGods | there's a problem with ffmpeg licencing that the cinelerra people include in their sources | 09:44 |
| TheGods | indeed | 09:44 |
| TheGods | i just wanted to find out the details such that i could post to their mailing list | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | what's wrong with it? | 09:44 |
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| geser | Lutin: have you tested this line with dash or bash only? | 09:45 |
| TheGods | LaserJock, i'm not sure - that's why i'm asking ;) | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | TheGods: well, I'm not really sure what the question is though | 09:46 |
| TheGods | oh of course! | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | TheGods: siretart can tell you a lot about ffmpeg right now ;-) | 09:46 |
| TheGods | ok | 09:46 |
| TheGods | thanks | 09:46 |
| TheGods | this is some of what i posted in #cinelerra: "Cinelerra uses a version of ffmpeg where free distribution is limited (perhaps only in the US, perhaps not). However, as a result, we cannot have the software in the Ubuntu repositories, which means we cannot include it in our release. This isn't what we'd like to be the case, and I would love to see this change." | 09:48 |
| TheGods | that's what i've been told, at least | 09:48 |
| siretart | TheGods: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionFFmpeg | 09:48 |
| Lutin | geser: yes, seems to work with bash | 09:48 |
| TheGods | siretart, thanks muchly | 09:48 |
| geser | Lutin: test also with dash as dash is /bin/sh | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | TheGods: so cinelerra ships it's own copy of ffmpeg? | 09:49 |
| TheGods | yes | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | and it's different then our ffmpeg? | 09:49 |
| siretart | *sigh* - another one :/ | 09:49 |
| TheGods | that's what i hear. and although it's (l)gpl, i've heard it's not freely distributable in the usa | 09:50 |
| siretart | the license is indeed not the problem | 09:50 |
| TheGods | yes, indeed | 09:50 |
| siretart | TheGods: does cinerella modify ffmpeg in any way? | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | TheGods: I sure don't envy you guys. Multimedia is awful to work with | 09:52 |
| TheGods | thanks :P | 09:52 |
| TheGods | siretart, i'll have to ask | 09:53 |
| Lutin | geser: ok with dash as well | 09:53 |
| Lutin | oh no, weird | 09:54 |
| Lutin | exit code is 1 | 09:54 |
| siretart | TheGods: if they don't please make the package build against the ubuntu ffmpeg package. this way, we share bugs and security issues | 09:54 |
| TheGods | that's what i'm asking | 09:54 |
| TheGods | apparently their build system is horrendous :( | 09:54 |
| Lutin | geser: ok, I know why it fails | 09:57 |
| Lutin | geser: because if the last file does not math the test condition, the last exit code is 1 and make the thing fail | 09:57 |
| Lutin | I guess | 09:57 |
| TheGods | siretart, fortunately: (from the svn log): "r949 | pmdumuid | 2006-10-29 00:54:57 +0200 (Sun, 29 Oct 2006) | 9 lines | 10:00 |
| TheGods | Add configure option to allow for external ffmpeg linking." | 10:00 |
| bddebian | Anyone know why this is happening on a CDBS package? | 10:02 |
| bddebian | E: pegsolitaire: changelog-file-not-compressed ChangeLog | 10:02 |
| bddebian | W: pegsolitaire: wrong-name-for-upstream-changelog usr/share/doc/pegsolitaire/ChangeLog | 10:02 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: The Cinelerra ffmpeg apparently is old, tweaked and stable. They dont want to mess with it (understandable) but it causes a problem for us to get into Universe. | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: I see | 10:06 |
| siretart | _MMA_: what definition of 'stable' do you use? | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: happy New Year, by the way | 10:06 |
| TheGods | siretart, it's their word | 10:06 |
| _MMA_ | To you as well Jordan. | 10:06 |
| _MMA_ | Yes. Having never used it myself I cant attest to its stability. Im going on their word. | 10:07 |
| TheGods | as i said, they've added a configure option to allow building with the normal ffmpeg | 10:07 |
| TheGods | i have been advised to ask on the mailing list, and will do so | 10:08 |
| _MMA_ | TheGods: We need to also talk with muzzol. He might have handled some of these things and we dont want to be redundant. | 10:09 |
| TheGods | yes | 10:09 |
| TheGods | no | 10:09 |
| TheGods | i don't want to diverge too much from upstream if possible | 10:09 |
| TheGods | <_> | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | ah, why not? ;-) | 10:12 |
| TheGods | cos then we'll have the burden of support | 10:13 |
| siretart | TheGods: if that works, please at least try to use the external xine | 10:16 |
| TheGods | you mean ffmpeg, but of source | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | heh | 10:16 |
| siretart | TheGods: I'm having the same problem with xine, upstream strongly recommends using the internal one, but we use an external one | 10:16 |
| TheGods | *course | 10:16 |
| siretart | of course, ffmpeg. my bad | 10:16 |
| TheGods | siretart, i know you're grief :( | 10:16 |
| TheGods | *your | 10:16 |
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| TheGods | *are | 10:17 |
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| siretart | TheGods: yes, the situation is pretty unfortunate. espc if you try to work on it for months if not for years | 10:20 |
| bddebian | WTF is this crap? W: pegsolitaire: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly | 10:20 |
| TheGods | siretart, that sounds like hell :( | 10:21 |
| siretart | TheGods: well, one very annoying fact is that the ffmpeg refuse to make 'proper' releases. this way, other projects using ffmpeg are forced to use some random svn snapshot | 10:23 |
| siretart | TheMuso: the problem with that is that random snapshots tend to break the build without notice | 10:23 |
| siretart | tsmithe: this means that they tend to include copies of ffmpeg, which makes them a support (both security and bug wise) nightmare | 10:24 |
| stgraber | siretart: you are the REVU's ftp admin right ? | 10:30 |
| siretart | stgraber: what's up? | 10:31 |
| stgraber | siretart: things got stuck in it and not shown on revu | 10:32 |
| siretart | compiz or pastebinit? | 10:32 |
| stgraber | pastebinit | 10:32 |
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| stgraber | if you can remove everything I'll reupload | 10:32 |
| siretart | stgraber: did you join the lp group? | 10:33 |
| stgraber | yes, that's just a fix because it was rejected for inclusion in universe (missing COPYING file) | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: no need to put that on REVU I don't think | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: just send the fix the the loser MOTU that uploaded it ;-) | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | *to the | 10:35 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: well I did a little bit more changes than that single file (paste.ubuntu-nl.org now has some kind of javascript protection and I remove it for instance) + fixing two typos :) | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: well, whatever you want :p | 10:36 |
| bddebian | siretart: Do you have a second to help my dumb arse? | 10:36 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: what kind of fix do you need ? | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: a debdiff to the version I uploaded | 10:37 |
| Lutin | bddebian: fixed kayali, if you want to have a look | 10:38 |
| siretart | bddebian: what's up? | 10:38 |
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| somerville32 | Is there anyone here that is subscribed to feisty-changes AND can mass fwd them to an address for me (for legit reasons, of course)? | 10:39 |
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| Toadstool | somerville32: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes.mbox/feisty-changes.mbox <-- the full raw archive in mbox format | 10:40 |
| somerville32 | Toadstool: Is there any way I can import it to gmail? | 10:41 |
| somerville32 | Or know of a program that could mass fwd for me? | 10:41 |
| Toadstool | er... no idea | 10:41 |
| tsmithe | somerville32, you looking to parse them for yo app? | 10:41 |
| Toadstool | I don't use gmail | 10:41 |
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| somerville32 | tsmithe: Yes. | 10:41 |
| tsmithe | surely python has mbox support? | 10:42 |
| Toadstool | sure | 10:42 |
| tsmithe | there's this kind of thing (very quick google): http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2004-October/289414.html | 10:42 |
| somerville32 | I want to test normal operation though | 10:42 |
| bddebian | Lutin: OK | 10:42 |
| bddebian | siretart: Can I PM you? | 10:42 |
| tsmithe | or somerville32 http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/ | 10:42 |
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| siretart | bddebian: mmh, fair enough | 10:43 |
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| harrisony | hi there i am following the guide here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/OpenWeek-Packaging101 and am doing sudo pbuilder create but i just wanted to know why is it download I: Validating apt-utils | 10:54 |
| harrisony | I: Retrieving aptitude | 10:54 |
| harrisony | I: Validating aptitude | 10:54 |
| harrisony | I: Retrieving base-files | 10:54 |
| harrisony | I: Validating base-files | 10:54 |
| harrisony | I: Retrieving base-passwd | 10:54 |
| harrisony | I: Validating base-passwd | 10:55 |
| harrisony | I: Retrieving bash | 10:55 |
| harrisony | opps didnt mean to do that sorry | 10:55 |
| lasindi | Hi all, I'm trying to create an Ubuntu package for a Python application I've recently written; I have no experience in packaging. I've been reading through this tutorial (http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/PackagingTutorial) I was directed to from the Ubuntu website, and when I ran dh_make, I chose CDBS as I have no binaries (because of Python). Is this the right choice (I get an error saying it can't find a .orig.tar.gz file)? | 10:55 |
| Fujitsu | It needs to download the base system before it can install it! | 10:55 |
| harrisony | Fujitsu oh..do you know how many packags it needs to download | 10:56 |
| Fujitsu | Not exactly. | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | lasindi: CDBS is ok, it is expecting to find the programs source in a tarball like <packagename>-<version>.orig.tar.gz | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | harrisony: a fair amount, it's creating a minimal Ubuntu install | 10:57 |
| harrisony | LaserJock, ahhh hmm i guess ill have to wait a while thanks! | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | harrisony: what kind of connection do you have? | 10:58 |
| enyc | hrrm | 10:58 |
| harrisony | LaserJock 64kb/s | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | harrisony: yeah, it'll take a few minutes. It's alphabetical so you can get an idea of where you are anyway | 11:00 |
| enyc | I wonder if I need to wait really patiently for a response in bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/77485 .... or if I need to mumble about this here and see if somebody here take notice ;-) | 11:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 77485 in qpsmtpd "SRU request: edgy:qpsmtpd fix for bug #72602" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:00 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: That was just my stomach ;-) | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | oh | 11:02 |
| lasindi | LaserJock: so should I be in the source directory when I do dh_make and also have the tarball in the parent directory? | 11:05 |
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| LaserJock | yep | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | lasindi: what I do is take the tarball and unpack it. then I move it to <packagename>-<version> if it isn't already. then tar it up to a .orig.tar.gz | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | lasindi: just make sure that the .orig.tar.gz and the downloaded tarball are the same (md5sum) | 11:07 |
| lasindi | LaserJock: okay, it's now complaining that I don't have a toplevel Makefile - this is because I'm using Python. What I was thinking is having the program's source install to /usr/share/programname and then writing a bashscript to go in /usr/bin that cds to /usr/share/programname and then runs the python program. Is that reasonable? | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | is it a single .py file? | 11:08 |
| enyc | LaserJock: ;-) | 11:08 |
| lasindi | LaserJock: well, I have several source files, but I only need to call one .py file. | 11:09 |
| lasindi | *well, "run" is a better word than "call" ;-) | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | enyc: the debdiff certainly seems small and reasonable but I'm not exactly sure what it's fixing? | 11:11 |
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| LaserJock | lasindi: then put that one in /usr/bin/ and the rest in /usr/share/<packagename>/ | 11:11 |
| lasindi | LaserJock: wouldn't that mean I need to have sys.path.append('/usr/share/packagename') in the source code? (I've been trying to avoid path names in my source code to keep it platform-independent.) | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | lasindi: well, you could use distutils | 11:14 |
| lasindi | The reason I'm wondering about the bash script method is that Jokosher, another Python app, does this. | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | although it might be a tad overkill | 11:14 |
| enyc | LaserJock: fixes 72602 as per bug title ;-) | 11:14 |
| enyc | LaserJock: "the impact of this bug"... described in 77485 anywaf | 11:14 |
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| LaserJock | lasindi: that way is certainly acceptable, but I think distutils is a bit better for general portability, IMO | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | enyc: ah, yeah, I was looking at the "Closes: " bug, you should probably also put the SRU bug number in there too | 11:17 |
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| bddebian | Later gang | 11:20 |
| enyc | LaserJock: well it is described in 72602 | 11:20 |
| lasindi | LaserJock: I'm looking through the website at the moment, but distutils looks like something that wouldn't handle dependency resolution, which is why I was looking at Debian packaging. Is this correct? | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | lasindi: what I mean is distutils is a common way of handing installation for python apps | 11:23 |
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