/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/01/02/#upstart.txt

Zzzothelp12:21
ZzzotI am trying to improve the performance of my kubuntu6.10 system. some tips/tricks that I have read say to remove unneeded ttys from /etc/inittab how would i do this with upstart?12:25
Zzzotwould I remove the files from /etc/event.d? for example: /etc/event.d/tty6?12:26
Mdit will not help unless you are *horribly* tight on RAM12:26
ZzzotDo I have the idea correct? would I remove the files from /etc/event.d? for example: /etc/event.d/tty6?12:35
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gnutz /msg nickserv link gnutz workhard05:54
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Keybukgnutz: you may want to change your password ;)05:55
gnutzLOL05:55
gnutz Im a dame nubie05:55
gnutzdamm05:55
AlexExtremeheh05:55
gnutzSo I guess I just exploted my user account05:56
gnutzLOL05:56
AlexExtremeyeah05:56
gnutz So is this an Ubuntu room?05:56
AlexExtreme /msg nickserv set password will help05:56
AlexExtremegnutz, it's for the init program used in Ubuntu05:56
gnutzok thx05:56
gnutzinit?05:57
gnutzwhat is that?05:57
AlexExtremegnutz, init is the program which boots up a linux system05:57
wasabiI'm curious how you managed to join the channel.05:57
gnutzo the Kernal?05:57
AlexExtremegnutz, no, it's the thing that's run once the kernel is loaded05:57
gnutzwasabi try /list then click05:58
gnutzOk like a gnome / xsever type of thing?05:59
AlexExtremeno05:59
gnutzNever mind sorry Ill google it05:59
AlexExtremegnutz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init might help you understand what init does05:59
gnutzCool Im reading up on it06:01
gnutz Hey I do have a relitive question06:02
gnutzI have dual boot XP ntfs on fisrt part then EXT3 with Unbuntu on the 2nd part 06:02
gnutzsome times I'll boot outta XP and into Ubuntu and it will freeze06:03
AlexExtremeXP freezes? or Ubuntu?06:03
gnutzthen I'll hard boot and Ubuntu will finale boot up06:03
gnutzUbuntu06:03
AlexExtremestrange06:04
gnutzIm wondering if Ubuntu is corrpting the MBR 06:04
gnutz or its a NTFS issue06:04
AlexExtremeyou should probably ask in #ubuntu06:04
AlexExtremejust type /j #ubuntu06:04
gnutzcool Alex thnx06:04
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Keybukhttp://einit.sourceforge.net/06:10
KeybukNo real shell scripts, no inittab, no runlevels and a configuration file in XML06:10
Keybuknice to see people refer to upstart :)06:11
AlexExtremeKeybuk, strange, I was just reading that at the exact same time as you... :P06:11
Keybukhttp://einit.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/introduction-differences-upstart.html06:11
Keybukheh06:12
KeybukI'd be interested to see how it's "partially event-based"06:12
AlexExtremeyes... I don't quite get how that would work06:12
KeybukI guess it's actually as event-based as upstart06:13
Keybukactually, it looks rather strange06:15
Keybukto my eyes, anyway; I guess it makes sense to the author06:15
AlexExtremeIt must do, otherwise he/she wouldn't have written it06:16
Keybukthe embedded market does seem to be the focus06:18
Keybuke.g. having just one config file for every single job/task/service/module/mode06:18
Keybukmakes it hard for a distribution though, as packages can't extend it06:18
AlexExtremeyes06:19
AlexExtremethe first design flaw that will make it difficult for a distro to adopt it ;)06:19
KeybukI doubt their aiming for that06:19
AlexExtremeinteresting.... there's a file in it's source called "bitch.c"06:19
AlexExtremewith a "bitch" function06:19
Keybukdpkg has an ohshit() function06:20
Keybukand an onshite() function06:20
Keybukthe difference being that onshite() appends strerror() to the error message :p06:20
AlexExtremereally? :)06:20
KeybukI'm hardly in a position to diss someone for NIHing an init daemon <g>06:20
KeybukI wish them well06:20
AlexExtrememay I ask, what does NIH stand for?06:21
KeybukNot Implemented Here06:21
Keybukor Not Invented Here06:21
AlexExtremeah06:21
Keybukit's usually used in a derogative sense if someone goes and reinvents a wheel06:22
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Keybukor writes code themselves that already existed elsewhere06:22
Keybukthe focus really does seem to be writing everything in C06:26
Keybukcf. the modules subdir06:26
Keybukit has C code to do things like set the hostname, mount a filesystem, fork getty, etc.06:26
Keybukwhereas we'd use shell code for that06:26
AlexExtremeKeybuk, question: when do you think the current specifications for upstart be implemented? just so I know if upstart will be ready for Frugalware 0.6, or whether I'll need to delay inclusion of upstart until 0.706:28
KeybukI'm aiming for over the next two weeks06:29
AlexExtremehmm#06:29
AlexExtremewould be in time for rc1, if I work hard on the jobs... but after rc1 will have to be delayed06:30
AlexExtrememental note: stop thinking out loud06:30
Keybukheh06:30
Keybuknothing wrong with thinking out loud, I do it all the time06:30
AlexExtreme:p06:30
Keybukit's been delayed a bit from my original plan because I've changed roles at Canonical06:30
Mdwhat are you working on now/06:31
Md?06:31
KeybukI'm a manager now; in charge of one of the two teams that develop Ubuntu06:32
AlexExtremeah06:33
KeybukI'll be still doing a fair amount of development work as well, ie. initramfs/udev/upstart06:33
Keybukbut the transition meant that I didn't get as much chance as I'd've liked before xmas06:33
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