[12:21] help [12:25] I am trying to improve the performance of my kubuntu6.10 system. some tips/tricks that I have read say to remove unneeded ttys from /etc/inittab how would i do this with upstart? [12:26] would I remove the files from /etc/event.d? for example: /etc/event.d/tty6? [12:26] it will not help unless you are *horribly* tight on RAM [12:35] Do I have the idea correct? would I remove the files from /etc/event.d? for example: /etc/event.d/tty6? === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #upstart === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@cpe-76-184-96-5.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #upstart === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #upstart === juergbi [n=juerg@80-219-26-249.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #upstart === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #upstart === Md [i=md@freenode/staff/md] has joined #upstart === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #upstart [] === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #upstart === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #upstart === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DBAF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #upstart === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #upstart === gnutz [n=gnutz@c-24-9-131-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #upstart [05:54] /msg nickserv link gnutz workhard === Md_ [i=md@freenode/staff/md] has joined #upstart [05:55] gnutz: you may want to change your password ;) [05:55] LOL [05:55] Im a dame nubie [05:55] damm [05:55] heh [05:56] So I guess I just exploted my user account [05:56] LOL [05:56] yeah [05:56] So is this an Ubuntu room? [05:56] /msg nickserv set password will help [05:56] gnutz, it's for the init program used in Ubuntu [05:56] ok thx [05:57] init? [05:57] what is that? [05:57] gnutz, init is the program which boots up a linux system [05:57] I'm curious how you managed to join the channel. [05:57] o the Kernal? [05:57] gnutz, no, it's the thing that's run once the kernel is loaded [05:58] wasabi try /list then click [05:59] Ok like a gnome / xsever type of thing? [05:59] no [05:59] Never mind sorry Ill google it [05:59] gnutz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init might help you understand what init does [06:01] Cool Im reading up on it [06:02] Hey I do have a relitive question [06:02] I have dual boot XP ntfs on fisrt part then EXT3 with Unbuntu on the 2nd part [06:03] some times I'll boot outta XP and into Ubuntu and it will freeze [06:03] XP freezes? or Ubuntu? [06:03] then I'll hard boot and Ubuntu will finale boot up [06:03] Ubuntu [06:04] strange [06:04] Im wondering if Ubuntu is corrpting the MBR [06:04] or its a NTFS issue [06:04] you should probably ask in #ubuntu [06:04] just type /j #ubuntu [06:04] cool Alex thnx === Md_ is now known as Md [06:10] http://einit.sourceforge.net/ [06:10] No real shell scripts, no inittab, no runlevels and a configuration file in XML [06:11] nice to see people refer to upstart :) [06:11] Keybuk, strange, I was just reading that at the exact same time as you... :P [06:11] http://einit.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/introduction-differences-upstart.html [06:12] heh [06:12] I'd be interested to see how it's "partially event-based" [06:12] yes... I don't quite get how that would work [06:13] I guess it's actually as event-based as upstart [06:15] actually, it looks rather strange [06:15] to my eyes, anyway; I guess it makes sense to the author [06:16] It must do, otherwise he/she wouldn't have written it [06:18] the embedded market does seem to be the focus [06:18] e.g. having just one config file for every single job/task/service/module/mode [06:18] makes it hard for a distribution though, as packages can't extend it [06:19] yes [06:19] the first design flaw that will make it difficult for a distro to adopt it ;) [06:19] I doubt their aiming for that [06:19] interesting.... there's a file in it's source called "bitch.c" [06:19] with a "bitch" function [06:20] dpkg has an ohshit() function [06:20] and an onshite() function [06:20] the difference being that onshite() appends strerror() to the error message :p [06:20] really? :) [06:20] I'm hardly in a position to diss someone for NIHing an init daemon [06:20] I wish them well [06:21] may I ask, what does NIH stand for? [06:21] Not Implemented Here [06:21] or Not Invented Here [06:21] ah [06:22] it's usually used in a derogative sense if someone goes and reinvents a wheel === gnutz [n=gnutz@c-24-9-131-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #upstart ["Ex-Chat"] [06:22] or writes code themselves that already existed elsewhere [06:26] the focus really does seem to be writing everything in C [06:26] cf. the modules subdir [06:26] it has C code to do things like set the hostname, mount a filesystem, fork getty, etc. [06:26] whereas we'd use shell code for that [06:28] Keybuk, question: when do you think the current specifications for upstart be implemented? just so I know if upstart will be ready for Frugalware 0.6, or whether I'll need to delay inclusion of upstart until 0.7 [06:29] I'm aiming for over the next two weeks [06:29] hmm# [06:30] would be in time for rc1, if I work hard on the jobs... but after rc1 will have to be delayed [06:30] mental note: stop thinking out loud [06:30] heh [06:30] nothing wrong with thinking out loud, I do it all the time [06:30] :p [06:30] it's been delayed a bit from my original plan because I've changed roles at Canonical [06:31] what are you working on now/ [06:31] ? 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