[12:21] <Zzzot> help
[12:25] <Zzzot> I am trying to improve the performance of my kubuntu6.10 system. some tips/tricks that I have read say to remove unneeded ttys from /etc/inittab how would i do this with upstart?
[12:26] <Zzzot> would I remove the files from /etc/event.d? for example: /etc/event.d/tty6?
[12:26] <Md> it will not help unless you are *horribly* tight on RAM
[12:35] <Zzzot> Do I have the idea correct? would I remove the files from /etc/event.d? for example: /etc/event.d/tty6?
[05:54] <gnutz>  /msg nickserv link gnutz workhard
[05:55] <Keybuk> gnutz: you may want to change your password ;)
[05:55] <gnutz> LOL
[05:55] <gnutz>  Im a dame nubie
[05:55] <gnutz> damm
[05:55] <AlexExtreme> heh
[05:56] <gnutz> So I guess I just exploted my user account
[05:56] <gnutz> LOL
[05:56] <AlexExtreme> yeah
[05:56] <gnutz>  So is this an Ubuntu room?
[05:56] <AlexExtreme>  /msg nickserv set password will help
[05:56] <AlexExtreme> gnutz, it's for the init program used in Ubuntu
[05:56] <gnutz> ok thx
[05:57] <gnutz> init?
[05:57] <gnutz> what is that?
[05:57] <AlexExtreme> gnutz, init is the program which boots up a linux system
[05:57] <wasabi> I'm curious how you managed to join the channel.
[05:57] <gnutz> o the Kernal?
[05:57] <AlexExtreme> gnutz, no, it's the thing that's run once the kernel is loaded
[05:58] <gnutz> wasabi try /list then click
[05:59] <gnutz> Ok like a gnome / xsever type of thing?
[05:59] <AlexExtreme> no
[05:59] <gnutz> Never mind sorry Ill google it
[05:59] <AlexExtreme> gnutz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init might help you understand what init does
[06:01] <gnutz> Cool Im reading up on it
[06:02] <gnutz>  Hey I do have a relitive question
[06:02] <gnutz> I have dual boot XP ntfs on fisrt part then EXT3 with Unbuntu on the 2nd part 
[06:03] <gnutz> some times I'll boot outta XP and into Ubuntu and it will freeze
[06:03] <AlexExtreme> XP freezes? or Ubuntu?
[06:03] <gnutz> then I'll hard boot and Ubuntu will finale boot up
[06:03] <gnutz> Ubuntu
[06:04] <AlexExtreme> strange
[06:04] <gnutz> Im wondering if Ubuntu is corrpting the MBR 
[06:04] <gnutz>  or its a NTFS issue
[06:04] <AlexExtreme> you should probably ask in #ubuntu
[06:04] <AlexExtreme> just type /j #ubuntu
[06:04] <gnutz> cool Alex thnx
[06:10] <Keybuk> http://einit.sourceforge.net/
[06:10] <Keybuk> No real shell scripts, no inittab, no runlevels and a configuration file in XML
[06:11] <Keybuk> nice to see people refer to upstart :)
[06:11] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk, strange, I was just reading that at the exact same time as you... :P
[06:11] <Keybuk> http://einit.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/introduction-differences-upstart.html
[06:12] <Keybuk> heh
[06:12] <Keybuk> I'd be interested to see how it's "partially event-based"
[06:12] <AlexExtreme> yes... I don't quite get how that would work
[06:13] <Keybuk> I guess it's actually as event-based as upstart
[06:15] <Keybuk> actually, it looks rather strange
[06:15] <Keybuk> to my eyes, anyway; I guess it makes sense to the author
[06:16] <AlexExtreme> It must do, otherwise he/she wouldn't have written it
[06:18] <Keybuk> the embedded market does seem to be the focus
[06:18] <Keybuk> e.g. having just one config file for every single job/task/service/module/mode
[06:18] <Keybuk> makes it hard for a distribution though, as packages can't extend it
[06:19] <AlexExtreme> yes
[06:19] <AlexExtreme> the first design flaw that will make it difficult for a distro to adopt it ;)
[06:19] <Keybuk> I doubt their aiming for that
[06:19] <AlexExtreme> interesting.... there's a file in it's source called "bitch.c"
[06:19] <AlexExtreme> with a "bitch" function
[06:20] <Keybuk> dpkg has an ohshit() function
[06:20] <Keybuk> and an onshite() function
[06:20] <Keybuk> the difference being that onshite() appends strerror() to the error message :p
[06:20] <AlexExtreme> really? :)
[06:20] <Keybuk> I'm hardly in a position to diss someone for NIHing an init daemon <g>
[06:20] <Keybuk> I wish them well
[06:21] <AlexExtreme> may I ask, what does NIH stand for?
[06:21] <Keybuk> Not Implemented Here
[06:21] <Keybuk> or Not Invented Here
[06:21] <AlexExtreme> ah
[06:22] <Keybuk> it's usually used in a derogative sense if someone goes and reinvents a wheel
[06:22] <Keybuk> or writes code themselves that already existed elsewhere
[06:26] <Keybuk> the focus really does seem to be writing everything in C
[06:26] <Keybuk> cf. the modules subdir
[06:26] <Keybuk> it has C code to do things like set the hostname, mount a filesystem, fork getty, etc.
[06:26] <Keybuk> whereas we'd use shell code for that
[06:28] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk, question: when do you think the current specifications for upstart be implemented? just so I know if upstart will be ready for Frugalware 0.6, or whether I'll need to delay inclusion of upstart until 0.7
[06:29] <Keybuk> I'm aiming for over the next two weeks
[06:29] <AlexExtreme> hmm#
[06:30] <AlexExtreme> would be in time for rc1, if I work hard on the jobs... but after rc1 will have to be delayed
[06:30] <AlexExtreme> mental note: stop thinking out loud
[06:30] <Keybuk> heh
[06:30] <Keybuk> nothing wrong with thinking out loud, I do it all the time
[06:30] <AlexExtreme> :p
[06:30] <Keybuk> it's been delayed a bit from my original plan because I've changed roles at Canonical
[06:31] <Md> what are you working on now/
[06:31] <Md> ?
[06:32] <Keybuk> I'm a manager now; in charge of one of the two teams that develop Ubuntu
[06:33] <AlexExtreme> ah
[06:33] <Keybuk> I'll be still doing a fair amount of development work as well, ie. initramfs/udev/upstart
[06:33] <Keybuk> but the transition meant that I didn't get as much chance as I'd've liked before xmas