[02:48] <bddebian> Heya
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hello :)
[02:49] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bddebian , hows it going?
[02:50] <bddebian> OK, thx, you
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> tired, but otherwise good :)
[08:42] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[08:43] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[08:44] <willvdl> pvt msg
[09:23] <juliux> hi rockprincess
[09:23] <rockprincess> hallo juliux! ;)
[10:01] <juliux> hi cbx33
[10:02] <cbx33> hi juliux
[10:02] <juliux> cbx33, you write the wiki howto for a windows dhcp and edubuntu server right?
[10:03] <cbx33> yes
[10:03] <cbx33> is it out of date?
[10:04] <cbx33> i think there may be a path to change?
[10:04] <juliux> cbx33, i don't know but it could be that rockprincess needs your help with an windows dhcp server;)
[10:04] <rockprincess> hi pete! no but i think i'd need some of your help, when i move my edubuntu server to my school.....i'll set it all up at home, but i think i'd need to configure their dhcp server for my ltsp...
[10:05] <rockprincess> hehe yeah ;)
[10:05] <cbx33> ah yes
[10:05] <cbx33> that sounds reasonable
[10:05] <cbx33> is it a windows dhcp server?
[10:05] <juliux> cbx33, and i wasn't sure if you wrote the howto;)
[10:05] <cbx33> i wrote the windows dhcp and the multiboot one....but not the multi arch one
[10:06] <rockprincess> cbx33: yes i think it is....but i'll ask them just to verify it...
[10:06] <cbx33> ok
[10:06] <cbx33> if so, just lemme know and I'll try to help out
[10:06] <cbx33> !seen RichEd
[10:06] <ubotu> I haven't seen riched recently
[10:06] <cbx33> !seen jono
[10:06] <ubotu> jono is on IRC right now!
[10:07] <rockprincess> excellent, thank you Pete!
[10:19] <cbx33> np
[10:54] <willvdl> cbx33, RichEd will be in tomorrow afternoon
[10:55] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[10:55] <cbx33> thanks willvdl
[11:23] <cbx33> howz it going willvdl?
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi rockprincess
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:24] <rockprincess> heyyy Kamping_Kaiser ;)
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[12:12] <willvdl> cbx33, sun-burned, pigging out on watermelons and generally just trying not to see what an awesome day it is in cape town
[01:20] <willvdl> cbx33, when does BETT start?
[01:22] <cbx33> next Wednesday
[01:22] <cbx33> that leaves us with...not a lot of time
[01:30] <willvdl> hmmm. RichEd said he'd get hold of you tomorrow
[01:33] <cbx33> excellent
[01:58] <juliux> cbx33, did you need stuff for the BETT ?
[01:59] <cbx33> um...I think we are sorted.....what stuff did you have in mind?
[02:00] <juliux> thinclient, stickers
[02:02] <cbx33> hmmm.....i don't think we'd be bale to get thinclients in time anyway....plus we are tight on space
[02:02] <cbx33> unless they are laptops
[02:03] <juliux> ah great
[02:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: I know you're busy, but could you also put together a story about BETT for the website at some point?
[02:16] <cbx33> sure
[02:16] <cbx33> before or after the event?
[02:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: up to you. if it's during the event, then it might be nice that edubuntu'ers know about it
[02:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: how long does BETT last?
[02:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: nevermind, I'll check your BETT wiki page again
[02:35] <highvoltage> !seen Burgandavia
[02:35] <ubotu> I haven't seen burgandavia recently
[02:47] <willvdl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlearning  It has a name :)
[02:56] <willvdl> anyone know what we should do with https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?
[02:57] <highvoltage> update with each release?
[02:57] <highvoltage> oosh! it's old!
[02:57] <ogra> wipe it
[02:57] <willvdl> but where should install notes logically reside?
[02:57] <highvoltage> willvdl: I may be wrong, but I think there's a newer version of it somewhere
[02:57] <willvdl> help.u.c? handbook etc?
[02:57] <ogra> on the gettingstarted page
[02:58] <willvdl> right. off the www site. cool
[02:58] <rockprincess> are there .png versions of these covers? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip?action=show&redirect=EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[02:58] <ogra> just open them in inkscape and save them as png ;)
[02:58] <willvdl> rockprincess, check with the marketing folks as well. they keep alot of current resources
[02:59] <willvdl> probably under DIY marketing somewhere
[02:59] <ogra> well, that one is a community contribution
[02:59] <ogra> i dont think there are other versions of it
[02:59] <rockprincess> willvdl: can i adjust them because on the cover it says 5.10 (which is breezy i think?) but i have a edgy install....
[02:59] <ogra> but the DIY page should have the offvicial cd covers
[03:00] <rockprincess> where is the DIY page?
[03:00] <highvoltage> rockprincess: you could edit the .svg file, and change the version number
[03:00] <ogra> right, with inkscape ...
[03:00] <willvdl> rockprincess, that wiki page is old and scheduled for cleanup. (hnce 5.10)
[03:00] <rockprincess> ok, thanks everyone ;)
[03:00] <willvdl> highvoltage, the picture changes too though
[03:01] <ogra> willvdl, not for that cover art ...
[03:01] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google edubuntu DIY covers
[03:01] <ogra> i aslo think its beautiful enough to keep it archived for public usage somewhere
[03:01] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Google found 'DIYMarketing - Ubuntu Wiki', at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[03:02] <highvoltage> rockprincess: there are other png's on that page too ^^^
[03:02] <highvoltage> rockprincess: or pdf's, at least
[03:02] <willvdl> they have a beta site out somewhere. check #ubuntu-marketing
[03:02] <rockprincess> thank you highvoltage!!!! ;)
[03:04] <rockprincess> wow this site is MEGA.....everything i needed :)
[03:06] <rockprincess> is there a specific plugin for firefox? because all svg seem to be a bit out of shape for me....
[03:06] <juliux> rockprincess, check also the artwork sites in the wiki
[03:07] <highvoltage> rockprincess: download inkscape
[03:07] <highvoltage> rockprincess: it's in the ubuntu repositories
[03:08] <highvoltage> rockprincess: you can open .svg files with inkscape and make changes to everything, including the text
[03:08] <rockprincess> just installed inkscape
[03:08] <juliux> sudo apt-get install inkscape ;)
[03:08] <ogra> right, use gnome-app-install (Add/Remove applications)
[03:08] <ogra> apt-get ... tsk
[03:08] <juliux> ogra, she use kubuntu ;)
[03:08] <ogra> and ?
[03:08] <rockprincess> hehe true juliux ;)
[03:08] <highvoltage> knome-app-install then :-p
[03:08] <ogra> kubuntu has the same functionallity in adept, doesnt it ?
[03:08] <juliux> ogra, i don't know if there is gnome-app-install
[03:08] <juliux> ogra, i never tested kubuntu
[03:08] <ogra> so there should be a menu entry as in ubuntu
[03:09] <juliux> we don't know but i know that there is apt-get ;)
[03:11] <ogra> sure
[03:11] <ogra> but apt-get is a bad advise in support :P
[03:11] <ogra> keep tight to the tools we provide for endusers ;)
[03:13] <juliux> rockprincess, is no enduser;)
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:40] <cbx33> highvoltage: it's 3 days
[04:40] <cbx33> I can do like a diary for it ;)
[05:00] <willvdl> ogra, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams is for 5.10 while http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig is for dapper - correct?
[05:01] <willvdl> ah, no ogra
[05:01] <willvdl> I'm off, see you all at the meeting
[05:10] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 the diary idea sounds great, you could even do it on your blog then we can link to that
[05:10] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[08:54] <jbrefort> hi LaserJock, happy new year:)
[08:55] <LaserJock> hi jbrefort
[08:56] <LaserJock> and Happy New Year to you!
[08:57] <ogra> hmm, do we need a meeting today ? i dot really have anything to report ... and given that everybody was on holidays i suspect the others havent much either
[08:58] <LaserJock> that's my position :-)
[08:58] <ogra> cool
[09:00] <jbrefort> LaserJock, did you get bodr-5?
[09:01] <LaserJock> I need make some progress on dynamic-menus and MIRs
[09:01] <LaserJock> jbrefort: I haven't yet, but I saw Egon's email
[09:01] <jbrefort> I did not install it yet, but your color schemes might be broken
[09:03] <LaserJock> oh really?
[09:45] <ogra> we'll need to discuss the EC policy if you are going for it ... our initial policy was to have more community members than employees in the council ...
[09:54] <willvdl> oh. good point.
[09:54] <ogra> im fine with changing that ... but we need to have a consensus about it
[09:54] <ogra> i.e. all EC members should agree
[10:08] <highvoltage> sorry
[10:08] <highvoltage> time ran away from me
[10:08] <willvdl> it will do that. pesky time.
[10:09] <LaserJock> highvoltage: if you kill it it won't run away from you ...
[10:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh, I'm a time assassin
[10:11] <willvdl> a time bandit
[10:12] <willvdl> what is EdubuntuLight? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLight
[10:12] <LaserJock> Edubuntu based on Xubuntu, more or less
[10:13] <LaserJock> highvoltage's baby
[10:13] <LaserJock> if I remember right
[10:13] <LaserJock> hmm, or maybe that's a bit different
[10:14] <coz_> willvdl, a good way to find out would be to download the live cd if it is available... I pesonally think edubuntu is a great version
[10:15] <willvdl> coz_, I'm more interested in tracking the page/discussion on the wiki in a logical place
[10:16] <coz_> willvdl, sorry ! :) I get over enthused sometimes and just say whats on my mind
[10:16] <coz_> :)
[10:16] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think either EdubuntuLight or UbuntuLite are really doing anything
[10:16] <willvdl> :)
[10:16] <willvdl> it looks from the page to be a proposal for an xfce base
[10:17] <willvdl> which would be Xubuntu...
[10:17] <LaserJock> yeah, highvoltage has some specs for that
[10:17] <LaserJock> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-xfce-desktop
[10:17] <coz_> here is my new edubuntu wallpaper I made    http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/4566   tell me what you guys thnk
[10:18] <willvdl> "We changed color sheme to Green. We think its more UbuntuLite Color. Than purple one before. I hope that zou will enyoj staing here on the page."
[10:18] <willvdl> eek
[10:18] <coz_> green?
[10:18] <coz_> mm
[10:19] <LaserJock> coz_: it's a little too fuzzy for me, or maybe I need to get a new prescription ;-)
[10:19] <coz_> LaserJock, well it is a digital painting i guess i can sharpen it a bit
[10:20] <LaserJock> willvdl: are you going through all the Edubuntu wiki pages?
[10:20] <willvdl> one by one :)
[10:21] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki/Cleanup
[10:21] <willvdl> coz_, pretty cool. are you on the artwork team?
[10:21] <coz_> willvdl, yes i am
[10:21] <willvdl> shweet
[10:21] <Seveas> ogra, available for a quick chat?
[10:22] <coz_> willvdl, if you scroll dwon you will see my name   https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art
[10:23] <LaserJock> willvdl: awesome
[10:23] <willvdl> LaserJock, there are a lot of "dangling" links with no parents. lost in the wiki-maze
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah, it's a real mess
[10:24] <willvdl> I shall uncover them armed with a pencil sharpener and biscuit crumb trail to find my way home
[10:24] <localverb> Hi guys
[10:25] <LaserJock> willvdl: wanna do MOTU when you're done with Edubuntu? ;-)
[10:26] <willvdl> wanna clean out my garage instead?
[10:26] <willvdl> LaserJock, I have an itchy delete-finger :) I am well known in some circles...
[10:26] <LaserJock> heh
[10:26] <willvdl> hi localverb
[10:27] <localverb> I need your help guys
[10:27] <localverb> I am new to ubuntu and I've just installed ubuntu 6.10 but I have a minor problem
[10:27] <willvdl> LaserJock, perhaps you would know. Is stuff like https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuRoadmap there as a process prior to using LaunchPad?
[10:28] <willvdl> localverb, shoot
[10:29] <localverb> I know it's not about ubuntu here but i am tired of lokking for solutions
[10:29] <localverb> and I am pretty sure it applies to edubuntu too
[10:30] <highvoltage> localverb: shoot
[10:30] <highvoltage> ah, willvdl already beat me to the 'shoot' :)
[10:31] <willvdl> too busy killing time hey
[10:32] <localverb> before I install ubuntu I had 2 partitions ...one fat32(for windows) and the other is NTFS(for  data storage)
[10:32] <localverb> but when I installed ubuntu I only see the windows  fat32 partition (the first one)
[10:32] <localverb> but I van't see or access NTFS partition
[10:32] <localverb> any solution ?
[10:33] <LaserJock> willvdl: hmm, that doesn't look like it got anywhere. It looks to be a spec for UBZ to do a roadmap but it doesn't have anything
[10:36] <willvdl> there are a few such pages. pre-launchpad it seems everyhting was done straight off the wiki
[10:36] <willvdl> I wasn't around then
[10:36] <localverb> hmmm
[10:37] <willvdl> localverb, where did you install edubuntu onto? which partition?
[10:37] <localverb> I mannually created two additional partitions for linux one ex3 and one swap
[10:38] <willvdl> hmmm, the install should automatically pick it up
[10:39] <willvdl> no prob. find which device it is. e.g. /dev/hda?
[10:39] <localverb> I am not having problems with ubuntu ...it rocks as all disto do :)
[10:39] <localverb> also windows works fine and i can see and access the NTFS partition
[10:39] <localverb> the only problem is that I can't access the NTFS partition from ubuntu
[10:40] <localverb> sorry >>>>Distros**
[10:40] <willvdl> just need to mount it I guess
[10:40] <willvdl> get it into /etc/fstab
[10:40] <localverb> but the fat32 was there without mounting?
[10:41] <willvdl> yeah, it's strange it didn't happen automatically.
[10:43] <localverb> MAN
[10:43] <localverb> I am extremely sorry
[10:43] <localverb> but It was out of my hands
[10:43] <localverb> I disconnected by mistake
[10:44] <mwalker_mewconsu> Hello Edubuntu folks
[10:44] <willvdl> hey
[10:44] <localverb> Sorry willvld :(
[10:45] <mwalker_mewconsu> I'm looking to pilot this version of Linux for a client of mine. How does the enterprise version of this OS work?
[10:48] <willvdl> mwalker_mewconsu, edu/k/ubuntu doesn't have an enterprise version as such
[10:49] <willvdl> the Dapper Drake version has been referred to as an enterprise versionmainly because it is LTS (Long Term Support)
[10:52] <willvdl> This version is supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on servers
[10:54] <mwalker_mewconsu> thank you
[10:54] <mwalker_mewconsu> have you had any experience managing workstations from the server?
[10:55] <willvdl> personally no but most folks in here work with thin-client servers on edubuntu.
[10:55] <mwalker_mewconsu> a thin client server would mean a "Desktop" PC asking as a server?
[10:56] <willvdl> meaning that a number of "dumb" terminals can run off a server. kind of like a remote desktop network
[10:58] <mwalker_mewconsu> I see so the workstations would use the server as the OS instead of having the OS installed on the actual workstation?
[10:59] <willvdl> yes. this is one way of setting up the network and is quite popular
[11:00] <willvdl> the thin-clients have very minimal hardware
[11:01] <mwalker_mewconsu> lets say I have a server in a class room, can I remotely troublshoot the server and its users from a location outside the networked classroom? Similiar to Remote Desktop Connection in Windows?
[11:02] <willvdl> yes, you could open and ssh connection to the server over the network
[11:02] <willvdl> s/and/an/
[11:02] <mwalker_mewconsu> what is s/and/an/?
[11:03] <willvdl> sorry, meaning I typed and instead of an
[11:03] <mwalker_mewconsu> oh okay
[11:04] <mwalker_mewconsu> now when I ssh over the network would this only be performed via the terminal? Will there be any GUI involved (ie. Being able to see a "users" screen remotely, if they are having problems)?
[11:05] <stgraber> it's in the planned functionality for the next version of Edubuntu
[11:05] <mwalker_mewconsu> I see
[11:05] <stgraber> actually you can only see the lest of processus launched by the users
[11:05] <stgraber> log them out, launch a command or stop a processus
[11:06] <willvdl> stgraber, you refering to SCP?
[11:07] <stgraber> yes
[11:07] <LaserJock> mwalker_mewconsu: the server is like an ordinary Linux computer
[11:08] <willvdl> cool. SCP is (currently) limited to managing the thin-terminals running off the server right?
[11:08] <LaserJock> mwalker_mewconsu: the thin clients (where the students actually work) run the OS on the server over the network
[11:08] <mwalker_mewconsu> okay
[11:08] <willvdl> so you would remotely access it like any other linux box
[11:09] <stgraber> willvdl: there is a spec to add VNC and some other great stuff in it
[11:09] <LaserJock> so the requirements for the thin clients are quite small ( 32-64MB of RAM, network card) and they don't even need a hard drive
[11:09] <mwalker_mewconsu> I'm new to Linux, I've experimented with it in the past (SUSE 6.0 I believe) but I've never really implemented it into a project.
[11:09] <LaserJock> it's also much easier to administer because you only have one actual machine
[11:10] <mwalker_mewconsu> reading the system requiremented you need 256MB of ram per user?
[11:10] <mwalker_mewconsu> requirements*
[11:10] <willvdl> for the server yes
[11:10] <willvdl> but each terminal requires much less
[11:11] <blue-frog> vnc functionality is already installed if not mistaken (vino - system/preferences/remote desktop  activate allow users to view your desktop and then use vnc
[11:11] <mwalker_mewconsu> I think based on our current system specs The most ram our PC's can take is 2GB.
[11:12] <mwalker_mewconsu> right now won't allow my client to purchase any extra hardware. They've spend the last 3 years upgrading all their iMac's to PC's.
[11:12] <willvdl> blue-frog, in regards to SCP it is a bit different I think
[11:13] <willvdl> meaning that SCP manages the thin-client sessions and in future could have VNC functionality included
[11:13] <mwalker_mewconsu> but I can probably pull this off on for one of the smaller classrooms and see how it goes.
[11:13] <willvdl> how many terminals do you want to run?
[11:15] <mwalker_mewconsu> well in the classroom there are 5 student computers and 2 teacher computers
[11:16] <mwalker_mewconsu> what I can probably do is move 1 pc from another site to serve as a server for this project, but I would still be under the memory requirements.
[11:17] <mwalker_mewconsu> I stumbled onto Edubuntu just a few nights ago, after stumbling onto Ubuntu.
[11:17] <willvdl> you've stumbled into the right place :)
[11:18] <mwalker_mewconsu> I'm creating a proposal to present to the Principal and Assistant Principal and I want to go into the meeting well prepared.
[11:19] <mwalker_mewconsu> I like how first and foremost Linux is not Windows and so the students won't really know where to look to manipulate the system.
[11:19] <stgraber> well 256MB/thinclient is a bit high I think because if for example you launch 2xOpenOffice or firefox it won't be twice in the server's memory
[11:19] <mwalker_mewconsu> second I like the dual booting option (I'm running right now Edubuntu and Windows XP Media Center on my laptop) The ability to dual boot if needed will also protect the investment the school has already made.
[11:20] <stgraber> but if all the users use different applications or high-memory-usage software it will indeed cause a problem
[11:20] <mwalker_mewconsu> right now I was just thinking of dual booting XP and Edubuntu on each workstation
[11:21] <stgraber> you boot on the network for Edubuntu, you simply have to choose to boot from the harddisk too boot on XP
[11:21] <stgraber> nothing is written on client's harddisk (if you use an Edubuntu server and LTSP as described above)
[11:21] <mwalker_mewconsu> and the teacher can let the students know which OS he/she will need to run for the lesson that day.
[11:21] <mwalker_mewconsu> yes I like that idea Stgraber
[11:23] <mwalker_mewconsu> This system has to be easy to use and easy to maintained or it won't get used at all.
[11:23] <BTR> Hi, what is the main difference between edubuntu and kubuntu?
[11:24] <mwalker_mewconsu> most likely the the students will be using the Educational software to supplement the learning in the classroom.
[11:25] <BTR> But i mean, what can i as a student get from edubuntu, thati dont get in kubuntu?
[11:25] <stgraber> BTR: edubuntu is an ubuntu (gnome) + education software in the case of a workstation use and a LTSP server + ubuntu (gnome) + education software in the case of a server install
[11:26] <BTR> What lies in "education software" for excample?
[11:26] <stgraber> BTR: for a personnal use nothing, all ubuntu version use the same packages so you can install the "education software" on you kubuntu as well
[11:26] <stgraber> kig, kmplot, gcompris, kalzium, ...
[11:26] <stgraber> but you can install them directly on your kubuntu
[11:26] <willvdl> schooltool
[11:27] <stgraber> yes, schooltool is also installed (even on the workstation install ??)
[11:27] <willvdl> there are a few institutions that have chosen to run kubuntu in the classroom
[11:27] <BTR> Ohh, i see:)
[11:32] <BTR> Nobody in either #ubuntu nor #kubuntu seems to know how, but is there any place where i can get the Drivers for Intel Corporation 82852/855GM vga card?
[11:34] <willvdl> have you tried the intel website?
[11:34] <BTR> Yes, i was only able to find windows drivers
[11:40] <willvdl> does the 915 driver not do the trick?
[11:41] <willvdl> check if there is a # channel for the kernel or similar. might be more helpful
[11:50] <BTR> willvdl: Im new to linux, so i didnt fully understand the 2 lines! :)
[11:51] <willvdl> meaning have you tried the i915 driver in ubuntu? It covers a number of the 9xx drivers. I have i945 and it works
[11:52] <willvdl> otherwise look for an irc channel that deals mainly with the linux kernel support if there is no luck in #ubuntu
[11:52] <BTR> Oh, can i get it via adept?
[11:53] <BTR> Do you have any ideas of what channel i should try?
[11:54] <rockprincess> hello willvdl!
[11:54] <BTR> So you think its already installed? its just i want to use my other monitor at the same time, but the "Xinemara" (i think its called), just wont run sp i was told it proberbly was a problem with my vga driver
[11:54] <highvoltage> willvdl: what happened to getting enought sleep? :)
[11:55] <rockprincess> haha
[11:55] <willvdl> BTR try #kernel (I hope)
[11:55] <willvdl> highvoltage, I overslept :)
[11:55] <highvoltage> ah :)
[11:56] <willvdl> or at least I'm going to
[11:59] <willvdl> schoolforge is very neat
[12:01] <willvdl> http://eduforge.org/
[12:02] <willvdl> http://ijedict.dec.uwi.edu/index.php
[12:11] <rockprincess> cool, what is the 2nd link?
[12:12] <willvdl> more an ICT in education journal. v good though
[12:16] <rockprincess> eduforge looks good and easy on the eye.....but i cant really find a project page similar to schoolforge