[12:39] <praetor> goldenear: hehe, I particularly like the way the EU uses the word choice in their FAQ, under the question "What kind of player do I need to view the live streaming media..?"
[12:39] <praetor> "The users have the choice between Microsoft Media Player 6.4 and higher"
[12:40] <praetor> as someone else pointed out in that /. thread, it is a little ironic given that the EU forced Microsoft to sell a version of Windows without media player
[12:42] <goldenear> exactly... that's really a non sense
[12:48] <ryanakca> lol
[12:54] <praetor> heh even dell offer their videos in ogg theora as well as wmv
[12:54] <praetor> http://www.direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/category/1021.aspx
[01:01] <goldenear> if they wanted a multiplatforms free software streaming solution they should have use VLC imho
[02:48] <bddebian> Heya
[02:49] <nixternal> boo
[02:49] <bddebian> ahh
[02:49] <nixternal> now look at boogs, i reversed ya
[02:49] <bddebian> heh
[02:50] <nixternal> damn, almost 8pm and I haven't eaten yet
[02:50] <nixternal> fo0d time :)
[03:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: where do I go to ask questions about signing the CoC and PGP keys stuff?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[03:34] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: anywhere on IRC.  what was your question?
[03:35] <Jucato> do I really need to follow those steps about getting the key signed?
[03:35] <Jucato> "Locate someone that lives near you and can meet with you to verify your ID. Sites like [WWW]  http://www.biglumber.com/ are useful for this purpose"
[03:35] <Hobbsee> not to sign the COC
[03:35] <Hobbsee> if you want to go for MOTU, yes.  it's also good to do it
[03:36] <Jucato> aaah. so I only have to create a key for signing the CoC, no need to get the key signed?
[03:37] <Jucato> heh.. I'm nervous about making keys and stuff... well, here goes nothing
[03:44] <Lathiat> Jucato: just don't lose the key, and make a backup fo it & the revoc cert :)
[03:44] <Jucato> oh not losing it will probably be the biggest problem lol
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:45] <Hobbsee> leave it on your system, and dont lose your system :P
[03:45] <Jucato> oh *that* is an even bigger problem lol
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: haha, yeah.  they're not hard to revoke, either
[04:38] <Jucato> :)
[04:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: so in that wiki page, I only have to follow up to the Uploading the Key step?
[04:39] <Lathiat> back when i was nieve about these things
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: heh, yes
[04:39] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[04:39] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you can ignore 5, do the rest
[04:40] <Jucato> ah thanks. I'll be signin the CoC soonish
[04:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:59] <Jucato> hm.. the key-id is the public key, right?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:00] <Jucato> and the private key would be where/what?
[05:04] <Jucato> er.. so what *is* the key? the key-id?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> gpg --list-keys
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which?  the public or the private?
[05:06] <Jucato> um... what is being referred to when they talk about keys in general? the public?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> both public and private
[05:06] <Jucato> ah
[05:06] <Hobbsee> you dont give out your private key
[05:06] <Hobbsee> oh, and you upload your public key to LP
[05:06] <Hobbsee> iirc
[05:06] <Jucato> in the --list-keys output, which is the private key? the sub line?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:08] <Jucato> aah
[05:08] <Jucato> ok.. :)
[05:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: last question... when pasting the codeofconduct.asc... do I need to put in my full name, or is the PGP signature enough?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: gpg sig is enough
[05:29] <Jucato> ah kool
[05:31] <Hobbsee> found another source of spam :(
[05:31] <Jucato> aw... :(
[05:31] <Jucato> oooh yay!! now an ubuntero!!! :D
[05:32] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:32] <Jucato> now to join the ops ML...
[05:32] <Jucato> and LP group.. :O
[12:23] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee, we should organise a kubuntu meeting for next week
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!  OK, what are we discussing?
[12:24] <Riddell> dunno, anything :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: Hawkwind mhb got anything to add to the meeting?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'll cover it.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> (hte meeting)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> @time est
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Current time in EST: January 03 2007, 06:32:29
[12:32] <Riddell> someone just e-mailed me this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/foo.jpg
[12:32] <Riddell> an interesting way to report a bug
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hahaha, nice :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds like an easy fix is to create an empty file there :P
[01:02] <Jucato> Hobbsee: sorry I was afk.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's fine.
[01:37] <Riddell> imbrandon_ is still alive!
[01:38] <imbrandon_> riddell hehe yea
[01:38] <imbrandon_> i've been alive, just been away from irc
[01:38] <imbrandon_> heheh :)
[01:39] <Jucato> ooh hi imbrandon_!!!
[01:39] <imbrandon_> i'm still kickin and workin
[01:39] <imbrandon_> heya jucato
[01:39] <Hobbsee> yay, imbrandon_!
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: of course he is, he uploaded kdepim for me
[01:39] <Jucato> imbrandon_: Sho_ was asking about you. (and your nightly konvi builds :) )
[01:39] <imbrandon_> oh snap i bet they stoped when i redid the server
[01:39] <imbrandon_> i'll get on that today
[01:40] <imbrandon_> heya hobbsee
[01:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: argh, what do i do about libdvdread?
[01:40] <imbrandon_> as in ? libdvdcss2 script?
[01:40] <Jucato> imbrandon_: oh.. better get well first. he was just curious, since he hasn't seen you in #konversation for quite some time
[01:41] <imbrandon_> jucato , i just took a break from irc , i'm still always on jabber and still working as much as ever ;)
[01:41] <imbrandon_> jucato , ahh i just have a small fever, better to be on the computer trying to break it then in bed :)
[01:41] <Jucato> imbrandon_: aah. nice to hear. we (Sho and I) were getting a bit worried :)
[01:42] <Jucato> hahah!
[01:42] <Hobbsee> bugmail's starting again
[01:42] <Jucato> I was also sick during new year... colds/coughs/asthma.. not a great way to start the year
[01:43] <Hobbsee> :(
[01:50] <Jucato> hm... what package allows Krita to save/export to GIF? I installed kde-core so I'm not sure if I got the correct package(s). I got libungif4g... I can only save to GIF in digiKam
[02:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: bug 73003, any chance of being fixed in Edgy? (Feisty is still almost 4 months away)
[02:34] <Jucato> ugh..
[02:34] <Jucato> bug #73003
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: URL?
[02:35] <Jucato> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/73003 you just commented on it :)
[02:35] <Hobbsee> well, tell me which i'ts on, at least :P
[02:35] <Jucato> korganizer does not start from K Menu -> run dialog
[02:35] <Hobbsee> "just"
[02:35] <Hobbsee> i did that days ago :P
[02:35] <Jucato> lol just got the e-mail notification today...
[02:35] <apokryphos> Ubugtu: bug bug #73003
[02:35] <apokryphos> Ubugtu: bug #73003
[02:35] <apokryphos> on holiday, it seems
[02:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, bugmail was broken
[02:36] <Jucato> btw, it might also be connected to the other KOrganizer bug, the one that korganizer window doesn't get restored/raised if you click on the icon in system tray
[02:37] <Jucato> ah no wonder... bugmail :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/korganizer
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: just http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/korganizer/korganizer.desktop?rev=595238&r1=590357&r2=595238&makepatch=1&diff_format=h ?
[02:40] <Jucato> hmm...
[02:40] <Jucato> heh what a simple solution :)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> !sru | Jucato
[02:40] <ubotu> Jucato: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:40] <Hobbsee> it'll need to be the main one
[02:41] <Jucato> oh.. which will make it harder to include... but I thought it made it through the last batch of KDE updates...
[02:41] <Jucato> I guess it didn't...
[02:41] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5.5 never got into edgy, did it?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh wait, that should have...
[02:41] <Jucato> it's the default
[02:41] <Hobbsee> so isnt that fixed?
[02:41] <Jucato> let me try again
[02:42] <Jucato> nope. let me try that (heh) patch :)
[02:46] <Jucato> kool. that patch seems to have fixed both bugs
[02:47] <Jucato> relevant KDE bug report: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135513
[02:47] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135513 in general "Korganizer won't open from system tray" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[02:47] <Jucato> heh it's working again
[02:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:49] <Jucato> oh krap! I don't have kdepim installed there lol
[02:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:49] <Jucato> only kdebase... now's a good time to build it :)
[02:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: making patches for Kubuntu is not the same as making patches for KDE, is it? (in KDE, you usually just submit the patch/diff to a mailing list or the maintainer)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you can take the kde patch, and apply it to kubuntu
[02:54] <Hobbsee> it's fairly close
[02:54] <Jucato> it's in the packaging guide, right?
[02:54] <Jucato> but since it's in KDE SVN already... and KDE 3.5.6 is out in a few weeks...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yeah - may not be worht fixing
[02:54] <Hobbsee> well, seeing as most will move to 3.5.6
[02:55] <Jucato> :)
[02:55] <Jucato> I guess devs are too traumatized by what happened with the previous xorg update...
[02:56] <Hobbsee> true that
[02:56] <Jucato> bah nvm :P
[03:00] <Hobbsee> what?
[03:01] <nixternal> moin
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: got anything to add to the meeting agenda?
[03:01] <nixternal> when is the meeting?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> next week sometime
[03:01] <nixternal> ahhh, i am sure i can make something up to annoy everyone with :)
[03:02] <Jucato> :P
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:02] <nixternal> heh, i have a new error when trying to update, and it seems whoever made the error either had something else in mind, or they can't spell worth a crap
[03:02] <nixternal> Segmentation faultsts... 0%
[03:02] <nixternal> wth is that?
[03:02] <Jucato> lol
[03:03] <Riddell> it's one message on top of another
[03:03] <nixternal> i can't update :(
[03:04] <Hobbsee> woot, my pbuilder wont update, due to a bug in vimtiny...
[03:07] <nixternal> hehe, i can't stand vim-tiny, i need the full
[03:07] <nixternal> it has a bunch of annoyancies that i am just used to doing
[03:10] <Hobbsee> argh.....
[03:10] <Hobbsee> no vi to edit what it's broken..
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hey allee
[03:57] <Hobbsee> @now utc
[03:57] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: January 03 2007, 14:57:28
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:00] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:01] <damaltor> hello everybody
[04:02] <damaltor> can anybody tell me if (k)ubuntu 6.10 supports hfs+ file systems, used by apples ipod?
[04:03] <Riddell> I have no idea, user questions best in #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[04:04] <damaltor> hmm... k thx
[04:07] <Hobbsee> anyone done a psycoanalytical test for a job before?
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[04:08] <apokryphos> heh, nope
[04:09] <Hobbsee> just a different section of it
[04:10] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I've done several and of course they all say I'm insane :-)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hah.  you're getting larted later, fyi
[04:10] <bddebian> Great
[04:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: over https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-January/002892.html
[04:12] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I didn't "do it", I just uploaded it, why what's the matter with it?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: changelog entry.  i've been told off for such things too :(
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: shoulda made adri2000 fix it, apparently
[04:13] <bddebian> ??
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ?? to which?
[04:13] <bddebian> What's wrong with it?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> you have to list all the changes
[04:14] <Hobbsee> "keep all ubuntu changes" doesnt suffice
[04:14] <bddebian> He has the 1.5 entry in there.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know :(
[04:14] <bddebian> Oh, well, that's news to me :-)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:15] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah well, just a FYI
[04:16] <bddebian> So fire me ;-P
[04:16] <bddebian> Gnight
[04:18] <Hobbsee> bddebian: nah, then who would do all the uploading?  :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> bddebian: and bug fixing?
[04:18] <Jucato> night Hobbsee!
[04:18] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, was going to bed
[04:18] <Hobbsee> yay, member-to-be Zerlinna :)
[04:20] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: I hope this mean you'll vote for me :D
[04:20] <Zerlinna> +s
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: hehe.  well, i cant cheer for you, that's certain :P
[04:20] <Hobbsee> (being part of the voting team)
[04:20] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: it's enough if you vote :P
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: haha
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: you're on the kubuntu-devel ML?
[04:21] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: yes I lurke there, too ;)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> just checking
[04:21] <Jucato> wow everyone's becoming a member nowadays
[04:21] <Jucato> ML? yep. kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh.  we havent had any in a while, iirc
[04:21] <Hobbsee> :) neat
[04:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fancy e-mailing everyone who has applied to be a kubuntu member and ask if they're still interested?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: could be a plan.  the next question is "interested in what?" or "interested in doing what?"
[04:22] <Zerlinna> Jucato: I hope I'll be a member... though I'm not a dev :-/
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, do we keep the renewals the same as ubuntu memberships?
[04:22] <Jucato> Zerlinna: oh you'll be one... Hobbsee seems to have your back :)
[04:22] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: does your gpg-kmail work now?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: members arent fully devs.  but we could get you dev'ing :P
[04:23] <mhb> hi all
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: no idea.  i'm kinda limited in that, as i'm only running imap email, and kmail has a rather critical bug, where doing most things with imap mail makes kmail sigseiv.
[04:23] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: that's what I'm afraid of :D
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[04:23] <Jucato> hi mhb
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: hahaha.  you'll cope :P
[04:23] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: sorry I couldn't help you with that :-/
[04:23] <Jucato> dev'ing is fun! (I think lol!)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: yeah, didnt think so :(
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, same as ubuntu, renewals should be done every two years I think, and it shouldn't need anyone turning up at a meeting
[04:24] <mhb> so who's this mystical Zerlinna ? :o)
[04:24] <Zerlinna> mhb: mystical?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  last i heard, sivang was asking about it, and the CC hadnt decided.  of course, the CC hasnt been decided yet either, iirc.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yeah, we'll just follow whatever they come up with
[04:24] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: silly girl :P
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: OK.  will attempt to follow up
[04:25] <mhb> Zerlinna: sure, because I've not found your wiki page and I've never talked to you here, so you're rather mystical for me :o)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: *grin*
[04:25] <Zerlinna> Riddell: is there a decision yet about how to approve Kubuntu-locos?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: adding it to my todo in icons
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: do they exist?
[04:26] <Riddell> Zerlinna: nothing has changed, I just add them to kubuntu.org/support.php if they seem sane
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do they get hosting from canonical though?  and/or do the ubuntu ones?
[04:27] <Zerlinna> mhb: https://launchpad.net/~waeckerlin
[04:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, both can
[04:27] <Jucato> hm... mystical == mysterious?
[04:27] <mhb> Zerlinna: toll!
[04:27] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: our german kubuntu community wants to get officially approved
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: ahh.  --> agenda may be a good place for that, unless Riddell wants to handle it now (and the hosting, if required)?
[04:29] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: we do the hosting ourself... we have just a little problem with the domain, but riddell and jono are taking care of it
[04:29] <Zerlinna> I hope :D
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[04:29] <Zerlinna> mhb: naja ;)
[04:32] <Zerlinna> Riddell: official loco-teams also get shipit... it would be cool if that applied to kubuntu-locos, too
[04:32] <mhb> Zerlinna: maybe it would be better to insert a link to your launchpad profile/wiki page next to your IRC nick on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings page
[04:32] <Riddell> Zerlinna: true
[04:33] <mhb> Hobbsee|Remote: I thought showing status via your nick isn't the way to go...
[04:33] <Hobbsee> mhb: i plan to quit this client
[04:33] <Hobbsee> mhb: but you're right
[04:33] <Zerlinna> mhb I hadn't seen yet that Hobbsee added me to the list!
[04:33] <Zerlinna> mhb: I fear I have to upate my wikipage :D
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: i so didnt :P
[04:34] <Hobbsee> seems so...
[04:34] <Hobbsee> check the history of the page if you think you didnt
[04:35] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee no I didn't
[04:35] <Zerlinna> it's true that I wanted to do it.. but it wasn't me... :D
[04:35] <mhb> Zerlinna: how big is the German Kubuntu community (I mean the active,administrative part, not the users) ? Is there enough people to do a separate shipit etc?
[04:35] <mhb> Zerlinna: I just wonder ...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> oh drat, it doesnt show all revisions...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: i didnt, anyway
[04:36] <Hobbsee> anything else, i'll look thru the remote client when i wake up again
[04:36] <Zerlinna> mhb: we have 18 active team-members
[04:37] <Zerlinna> mhb: and about 5000 registered users
[04:37] <mhb> Zerlinna: interesting. What do team-members do?
[04:37] <mhb> Zerlinna: usually
[04:39] <Zerlinna> mhb everything :D
[04:39] <Zerlinna> mhb we're just starting out.. the community started like one month ago when the forums from kubuntu.de had to move
[04:42] <Zerlinna> mhd so we moved the forums, changed the board software, registered the domain, now we're deciding on the future cms, creating a design and theme
[04:42] <mhb> Zerlinna: cool. If there are some people that want to test new versions (and report bugs&stuff), maybe they can consider the kubuntu-testers team
[04:43] <Zerlinna> mhd personnally I'm more into translating (we translated uwn24 and uwn 25) and news
[04:43] <mhb> Zerlinna: sure, but it seems you have a fairly large user base
[04:43] <mhb> Zerlinna: and some users prefer to run the "cutting edge" versions
[04:44] <Zerlinna> mhd oh yes and we have our own archive (packages.czessi.org)
[04:45] <Zerlinna> mhb: we have to settle down first and get all the website-stuff done.. but when we'll have a little more time, sure, why not :)
[04:48] <mhb> Zerlinna: nope
[04:49] <mhb> Zerlinna: If I understand the diffs correctly Riddell added you
[04:50] <mhb> Zerlinna: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings?action=info
[04:51] <Zerlinna> mhb: I think I've found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings?action=diff&rev1=210&rev2=209
[04:52] <Zerlinna> mhb: anyway, I wanted to do it so it's fine.. I just thought I can't be THAT oblivious :D
[04:58] <mhb> Zerlinna: ein Blog auf Deutsch! another chance to practice my German.
[05:00] <Zerlinna> mhb: 90% of it is in English.. but when I write about the german community I tranlsate it into german
[05:01] <Zerlinna> mhb: but you're invited to read only the german part ;)
[05:04] <mhb> Zerlinna: thanks. Good luck with the data transfer and such ... see you at the meeting, if not earlier
[05:12] <Zerlinna> mhb: see ya :)
[05:13] <Riddell> Zerlinna: yay, jono e-mailed!
[05:13] <Riddell> I wonder what excuse juliux will find this time
[05:14] <Zerlinna> ah, here's the mail... good :D
[05:14] <mhb> Riddell: good afternoon. Remember bug 47181 ? A lot of translations will get fixed if you rename adept.mo into adept_manager.mo . I'll do some more research and report later today.
[05:16] <mhb> hmm... is ubugtu broken somehow?
[05:16] <Jucato> for malone bugs, it seems so
[05:17] <mhb> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/47181 -- broken localisation support in Adept
[05:18] <Riddell> mhb: will that break the other parts of adept?
[05:21] <mhb> Riddell: no
[05:22] <mhb> Riddell: it's actually a separate issue
[05:22] <mhb> Riddell: when you have adept.mo , no app loads it
[05:22] <mhb> Riddell: so adept_manager is even less translated
[05:23] <mhb> Riddell: when you rename it to adept_manager.mo, Adept Manager gets translated, but there's still the issue of not loading libept.mo that I want to fix
[05:24] <Riddell> but we want all the adept programmes to load it
[05:24] <Riddell> so we probably want something in the code to say "load adept.mo"
[05:26] <mhb> Riddell: Yes. I'll read some API docs of the klocale.h and report later.
[05:46] <Riddell> ooh, new beryl from imbrandon_
[06:07] <fdoving> Riddell: with dualscreen support or?..
[06:08] <sebas> If it's somewhat recent, yes.
[06:08] <fdoving> the one in feisty ~2weeks ago didn't work well with my two screens.
[06:08] <sebas> Well, I'm running kwin, but I've Beryl installed.
[06:09] <Riddell> ooh, sebas, did you get to Edinburgh?
[06:09] <sebas> Riddell: Yeah, even returned :-)
[06:09] <fdoving> I use the free ati driver, on ppc, i ask for trouble :)
[06:10] <sebas> Riddell: Nice city, I like Cockburn Street and Frankenstein most, I think
[06:10] <sebas> For shopping / drinking at least
[06:11] <Riddell> I can just see you hanging out with the goths on Cockburn Street
[06:11] <Riddell> shame I wasn't around
[06:12] <ryanakca> has anybody worked on SolSeek? or shall I finish my package for it?
[06:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: I've not heard of anyone doing so
[06:12] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[06:13] <sebas> Riddell: Eh, yeah :>
[06:13] <imbrandon_> Riddell, hehe yea new beryl
[06:13] <sebas> We were pretty lucky actually, not one drop of rain during our stay
[06:14] <imbrandon_> they are cleaning up some lic issues with soem of the plugins then i'll be uploading again
[06:14] <Riddell> sebas: it never rains in Edinburgh, that's what we have Glasgow for
[06:14] <Riddell> sebas: ooh, cookl
[06:14] <sebas> Riddell: Heh
[06:14] <imbrandon_> lol
[06:14] <sebas> Is that why aKademy is in Glasgow?
[06:15] <sebas> I think we had enough rain ...
[06:16] <nixternal> ooh new beryl of crap! i know a few people who will wet their pants with that news
[06:18] <imbrandon_> yup and aquamarine ( the kde kwin replacement ) shouldent segfault now either :)
[06:18] <nixternal> i have a guy on Ubuntu Chicago that is a freaking fanatic of beryl
[06:18] <ryanakca> lol
[06:18] <jdong> does the kicker/pager react properly to switching desktops yet?
[06:19] <nixternal> i think every other hour i am quoted for telling him "composite is crap"
[06:19] <imbrandon_> bleh, i could honestly care less aobut it, but no one else wanted to package it corectly and i did it for the last few releases sooo
[06:19] <jdong> and I've not spent > $30USD for any of my video cards :)
[06:20] <imbrandon_> anything that dosent use onboard video and is over 2.5ghz, under that its a no go
[06:20] <jdong> Sempron64 2800+ & Geforce4 MX400 is my lowest box running beryl
[06:20] <imbrandon_> running and useable are totaly diffrent
[06:20] <imbrandon_> ;)
[06:21] <nixternal> hehe
[06:21] <nixternal> bingo buddy
[06:21] <nixternal> useable and useful are totally different as well
[06:21] <nixternal> there is nothing useful about beryl
[06:21] <jdong> :)
[06:21] <jdong> it was simpler to set up than compiz for me
[06:21] <imbrandon_> bah there are some nice things aobut it, but not much
[06:21] <jdong> that was my excuse :)
[06:21] <fdoving> beryl is usefull, it can convert users to linux. :)
[06:21] <imbrandon_> jdong, its exactly the same as compiz to setup
[06:22] <fdoving> .. those who like that kind of stuff... :)
[06:22] <imbrandon_> i mean exaclty
[06:22] <jdong> imbrandon_: compiz refuses to start on one of my boxes
[06:22] <nixternal> fdoving: and then it can send right back to windows after their 300 crashes or bug reports as well
[06:22] <jdong> maybe I should attempt a newer compiz
[06:22] <imbrandon_> nixternal, actualy its stablized a tad , still buggy as hell but ALOT better than when i was at UDS
[06:23] <nixternal> i don't know, just doesn't appeal to me
[06:23] <imbrandon_> but then again imho kwin is buggy and un useable too , so its evil either way you go
[06:23] <imbrandon_> imho
[06:23] <nixternal> reminds me of the kids who put $15k into their Hondas and still run slower than a station wagon
[06:23] <crimsun> but it's -shiny-!
[06:24] <imbrandon_> thats what great about linux, choice, just choose not to run it, i may run it i may not, depends on the day and machine
[06:24] <nixternal> crimsun: my grandfather always told me that it is a waste of time polishing a turd, so no shiny for me :)
[06:24] <imbrandon_> but i dont bash it for the sake to bash it
[06:24] <nixternal> i do :)
[06:24] <nixternal> haha
[06:24] <imbrandon_> i bash it because it suxors
[06:24] <imbrandon_> :)
[06:25] <imbrandon_> nixternal, the funny thing is if you have ever tried to program a theme for kwin its just as much hell
[06:25] <imbrandon_> ;)
[06:25] <imbrandon_> its just been arround longer
[06:25] <nixternal> oh i have TRIED :)
[06:25] <nixternal> hehe
[06:26] <imbrandon_> anyhow back to my esx install
[06:26] <imbrandon_> bbiab
[06:26] <nixternal> no way, another school shooting in the US!
[06:26] <nixternal> jeesh
[06:26] <imbrandon_> yea the kid died on the way to the hospital
[06:26] <nixternal> that sucks
[06:26] <imbrandon_> anyhow brb
[06:27] <Jucato> :O
[06:27] <nixternal> i used to love the fist fights and hair pulling back when i went to high school. now you have to wear a bullet proof vest and pack
[06:27] <nixternal> the stoners every now and then would pull a knife, but didn't know how to use them half of the time
[06:44] <Zerlinna> Riddell: is the date for the next meeting definit (january 11th 12:00 UTC) ?
[06:50] <Riddell> Zerlinna: nope
[06:51] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ok thanks
[07:03] <Riddell> Zerlinna: any plans for a Kubuntu stall at linuxtag this year?
[07:05] <mhb> hmm, 12:00 UTC is not a good time for me
[07:48] <mhb> Riddell: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/kde-i18n-howto.html <-- a useful HOWTO indeed :o)
[07:49] <mhb> Riddell: the result:
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: KLocale::setMainCatalogue("adept"); // this loads adept.mo as the base catalog -- the HOWTO recommends to put it in main.cpp
[07:51] <mhb> Riddell: KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue(libept); // then import any secondary catalogs like libept through this method
[07:52] <mhb> Riddell: the results seem to be promising, I'll send you the patch after I finish some other stuff
[08:03] <fdoving> oh my, i'm already in love with the new run command dialog in kde4.
[08:05] <bddebian> heh
[08:06] <Riddell> mhb: excellent
[08:20] <yuriy> hah i see the bug mail came through
[08:39] <Lure> Riddell: any news regarding digikamimageplugins?
[09:32] <jdong> whee, ktorrent 2.1rc1 :)
[09:57] <jdong> can someone sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/2.1rc1/ktorrent_2.1~rc1-0ubuntu1.dsc into feisty?
[09:58] <jdong> tested and confirmed working in pbuilder and chroot
[10:08] <crimsun> Uploading via ftp ktorrent_2.1~rc1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[10:08] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:14] <jdong> crimsun: thanks! :)
[10:14] <jdong> and I promise this one won't harm baby jesus
[11:14] <mhb> imbrandon: what version of beryl have you packaged?
[11:20] <fdoving> 0.1.2 i guess.
[11:20] <fdoving> http://imbrandon.com/packages/dists/feisty/beryl/
[11:21] <mhb> fdoving: that's what I thought too, but current beryl version seems to be 0.1.4
[11:22] <fdoving> hum..
[11:23] <fdoving> i'm not up2date on beryl. might try to get it to work on ppc+dualscreen some time.
[11:24] <fdoving> i have 0.1.1, works on one monitor, not both.
[11:26] <mhb> fdoving: I have 0.1.1 too, but I have some issues with rendering on my Intel card, so I wanted to test the newest one
[11:27] <ryanakca> jdong: so you got ktorrent working, eh?
[11:27] <praetor> i couldn't get 0.1.3 to work on dual-screen
[11:36] <jdong> ryanakca: credit goes to Tonio for working ktorrent :)
[11:36] <jdong> I just updated his work to rc1, released today
[11:37] <jdong> now ktorrent can find lan peers via zeroconf and also exchange peers with utorrent
[11:39] <ryanakca> nice
[12:01] <mhb> imbrandon: thanks for the beryl - it seems 0.1.2 fixed the only bug that was bothering me
[12:10] <Riddell> Lure: good question, let me ask
[12:12] <nixternal> Lure: i added my keys to your wiki page btw
[12:12] <nixternal> some of the keys don't provide numbers :(