[12:15] <stdin> BTR: if you install 'ubuntu-desktop' in kubutnu, you will have a choice at login of gnome or KDE
[12:15] <endo602> murchadh_bhaba, says my directory is not a directory
[12:15] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: Of course you can then edit it with the editor of yolur choice. You can also echo more commands into an existing file. echo 'This text' > this_file creates the file new, echo 'This text' >> this_file creates this_file if it doesn't exist, appends to it if it does.
[12:15] <BTR> is kde the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:15] <stdin> BTR: yes
[12:15] <foob> pretty big difference though :P
[12:15] <stdin> true
[12:16] <endo602> what will open the konsole
[12:16] <BTR> isnt it just a different gui?
[12:16] <foob> different applications
[12:16] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: What are your details, and we'll write the script. Where are you cd'ing to and what are you executing when there?
[12:16] <Oscar__> BTR: More or less.
[12:16] <genii> endo602 Wow, that is surprisingly harder than it seems for some reason. Even using something like "konsole /myshellfilehere.sh" seems no good for some reason
[12:16] <stdin> tho, you can install gnome apps on kde, and vice verse
[12:17] <foob> in my opinion better applications in kde
[12:17] <endo602> that is weird
[12:17] <BTR> ohh, i see.. is there any where i can read about the differences between kde and gnome?
[12:17] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: aterm or xterm (with --geometry aaaxbbb)
[12:17] <desync> btr: i've searched around and there isn't any useful comparisons
[12:17] <foob> and for some reason i'm finding kubuntu edgy more stable than gnome dapper
[12:18] <endo602> thanks
[12:18] <endo602> brb
[12:18] <desync> lot's of screen shots around but no non biased reviews
[12:18] <BTR> edgy is that the brand new version?
[12:18] <foob> 6.10
[12:18] <desync> feisty is the beta
[12:18] <foob> but as with all debian systems, the 'testing' version is more useable than the 'stable' heh
[12:18] <Oscar__> BTR: There aren't that many. It's more a question of taste. Some say KDE is more powerful, and thus cluttered. KDE is rumoured to be the "engineers desktop".
[12:19] <Theory> both are free, so you can try both and see which you like better
[12:19] <Theory> liveCDs are good for this
[12:19] <foob> yeah
[12:19] <BTR> Is it possibly to upgrade to feisty in apt?
[12:19] <aseigo> the engineers desktop. heh. nice backhanded compliment.
[12:20] <foob> there definitely isn't a true 'better', i find kde/qt way better after using gnome but my one friend swears by gnome/gtk
[12:20] <Oscar__> desync: I just tested feisty. The thing they've done with the startup scripts are great. =)
[12:21] <Oscar__> aseigo: How so?
[12:22] <desync> oscar: is it more user friendly? after switching from slack edgy's startup is ass backwards :P
[12:22] <aseigo> Oscar__: it's the same old implications i've heard for years about it being for power users blahblahblah ... and then one walks out into the real world and finds that a lot of kde's users are very basic, entry-level type users
[12:23] <aseigo> Oscar__: it's great that it works well for engineers, which it does ime. but that often gets used as a polite way of saying "not for everyone else"
[12:23] <BTR> I have the Dapper version, how do i upgrade to either  feisty or edgy?
[12:23] <stdin> !upgrade
[12:23] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:23] <Theory> KDE is certainly very usable by "unpower" users
[12:23] <stdin> feisty is still under development, so isn't recommended yet
[12:24] <endo602> back
[12:24] <endo602> sorry
[12:24] <aseigo> BTR: i recommend doing one version at a time regardless..
[12:24] <Theory> I've found they tend to find it easier if you take a hatchet to the toolbars though
[12:24] <Oscar__> aseigo: Yeah, I know what you mean. I wasn't trying to exclude ppl. I prefer KDE too but some say it takes too much time to configure. To each his own I guess.
[12:24] <foob> software changes so much it's odd that people will use 5 year old arguments on it
[12:24] <_ubuntu> isn't there some way to install kubuntu from the live cd?
[12:25] <foob> yup click 'install' :P
[12:25] <Theory> icon on the desktop :-)
[12:25] <_ubuntu> o.O
[12:25] <Oscar__> desync: Having relations between the services are the correct way of doing it imho. And it's similar enough to the "old ways" to not scare off oldtimers.
[12:25] <_ubuntu> there is no install icon on my desktop
[12:25] <_ubuntu> no icons at all
[12:25] <stdin> _ubuntu: what version of the live CD do you have?
[12:25] <Theory> which livecd are you using?
[12:25] <_ubuntu> kubuntu
[12:25] <_ubuntu> uh
[12:25] <_ubuntu> i dunno what version
[12:26] <stdin> _ubuntu: is it from shipit, or download?
[12:26] <_ubuntu> download
[12:26] <endo602> genii,  any clue?
[12:27] <endo602> murchadh_bhaba, sent you a pm
[12:27] <genii> endo I've tried some variations like echoing the command into konsole, and some other stuff but no go yet. I'm puzzled frankly
[12:27] <stdin> Kaelesd:  open konsole (K-Menu, system, konsole), and type in: lsb_release -r
[12:27] <Kaelesd> 5.10
[12:27] <nixternal> alt+space then type konsole :)
[12:28] <desync> oscar: nothing wrong with it, just takes some getting used to after running slack systems off and on for the past dozen years
[12:28] <stdin> Kaelesd:  that's quite an old version
[12:28] <Kaelesd> yea, i noticed
[12:28] <nixternal> heh, then nevermind katapult :)
[12:28] <Kaelesd> :|
[12:28] <stdin> don't think you can install from the live cd with that version
[12:28] <Kaelesd> i just didn't want to take the time to download it
[12:28] <Kaelesd> :| yay
[12:29] <Oscar__> desync: Havent used slack for ten years or so. How's the boot sequence there? Just the old symlinked version?
[12:29] <stdin> Kaelesd:  if you want to install it, get the 6.06.1 or 6.10 version
[12:29] <Kaelesd> oh well, thanks for the help
[12:29] <genii> endo602 It eithe just opens konsole with no command or output from the command, or opens Konsole with some strage errors etc
[12:29] <Kaelesd> yea i figured so
[12:29] <Kaelesd> :P
[12:29] <Kaelesd> see ya
[12:29] <stdin> see ya
[12:30] <endo602> hmm
[12:30] <endo602> ill look for something on google
[12:30] <vbgunz> kwallet is retarded :(
[12:30] <stdin> genii: run: khelpcenter help:/konsole/command-line-options.html
[12:30] <stdin> it says to open a command use, konsole -e command
[12:31] <desync> oscar: hasn't really changed since 3.x when I picked it up, but I think things are going to be changing in the next year or so
[12:31] <desync> there's been 0 updates since 11 was released in november
[12:31] <BTR> when i try tu use "gksu "update-manager -c" in terminal, to upgrade to edgy, i get the gksu: command not found - what do i do?
[12:31] <stdin> BTR: 1st you'll need to install update-manager, then replace gksu with kdesu
[12:31] <Oscar__> desync: so they use symlinks from runlevel-directories then?
[12:31] <desync> i guess they're finally upgrade glibc/gcc again
[12:32] <vbgunz> Does KDE have the following desktop commands hidden somewhere? "split vertical", "split horizontal"?
[12:33] <genii> Interesting. Except    konsole -e 'lcd / && ls -ld *`   for instance seems to produce no result
[12:33] <desync> a script for each runlevel rc.0, rc.1..... etc and then a script for networking, modules, services etc
[12:33] <desync> brb
[12:33] <genii> cd  not lcd
[12:33] <Oscar__> vbgunz: Not that I know of. But then I don't understand what it's supposed to do.
[12:34] <xenol> !restricted formats
[12:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:34] <Oscar__> desync: ah.
[12:34] <vbgunz> Oscar__, the way it manipulates windows on the desktop sort of like Cascade and unclutter... split vertical splits all windows evenly vertically
[12:34] <stdin> genii: maybe if the commands were in a script?
[12:34] <vbgunz> etc
[12:34] <BTR> stdin: Now i get '<Command> missing'
[12:35] <genii> stdin Hangon I forgot to keep open the window after execution LOL
[12:35] <endo602> what is a dcop script?
[12:35] <endo602> can i use that?
[12:36] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: Can you see my pm reply?
[12:36] <BTR> Why doesnt this work? "kdesu "update-manager" -c"?
[12:36] <endo602> yes
[12:37] <stdin> BTR: use: kdesu "update-manager -c"
[12:38] <intelikey> hmmmm what provides that script stdin ?
[12:38] <Jucato> stdin: kubuntu doesn't have update-manager installed
[12:38] <stdin> intelikey: update-manager?
[12:38] <BTR> thank you stdin
[12:38] <intelikey> stdin yes
[12:39] <stdin> intelikey: it's an ubutnu app, but it's works with kubuntu too
[12:39] <stdin> Jucato: I know, he installed it
[12:39] <Jucato> oh :)
[12:39] <intelikey> stdin ok.  but what provides it ?
[12:39] <stdin> intelikey: sudo apt-get install update-manager
[12:39] <stdin> :)
[12:40] <intelikey> ah it is it's own package   ok
[12:40] <stdin> yeah
[12:40] <xenol> with which program can i work with images and virtual drives in kubuntu? plz any advice
[12:40] <genii> endo602 OK finally got it:    for a launcher command:     konsole --noclose -e /shell/filename.sh
[12:41] <Oscar__> !update-manager
[12:41] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 0.45 (edgy), package size 775 kB, installed size 3652 kB
[12:41] <intelikey> hmmmm update manager depends on some things.....
[12:42] <intelikey> docbook-xml gconf2 gconf2-common launchpad-integration libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libidl0 liblaunchpad-integration0 liborbit2 libscrollkeeper0 libvte-common libvte4 lsb-release python-apt python-glade2 python-gnupginterface python2.4-apt python2.4-cairo python2.4-glade2 python2.4-gobject python2.4-gtk2 python2.4-numeric scrollkeeper sgml-data synaptic unattended-upgrades update-manager xml-core
[12:42] <genii> xenol Like iso images etc?
[12:42] <intelikey> will be installed if i install update-manager
[12:42] <stdin> it's a part of synaptic, I think, and it's a GTK app, so it depends on all that stuff too
[12:42] <stdin> but, IMO, it's better than adept
[12:43] <intelikey> yeah that's a list of what i don't have that it wants.... but isn't going to get   hehhe
[12:43] <xenol> genii: yup
[12:43] <stdin> xenol: mount will do that
[12:43] <BTR> stdin: When i try to update to edgy, i get a bunc of errors in the console: http://pastebin.ca/301725
[12:44] <genii> xenol If you just want to look at the contents you can just lop-mount iso files  eg:   mount -t iso9660 -o loop /my/iofile.iso  /mnt/mountdirectory
[12:44] <stdin> !iso
[12:44] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[12:44] <genii> loop-mount
[12:44] <killermach> I type "make" and nothing happens.. "command not found"  any hints?
[12:44] <xenol> genii: and wat is MD5 used?
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> killermach: have you installed build-essential?
[12:45] <stdin> !md5
[12:45] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:45] <intelikey> !b-e | killermach
[12:45] <ubotu> killermach: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:45] <killermach> Daisuke_Ido: nope.. I've never needed to install anything extra on a linux system to compile
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> killermach: well on kubuntu you do
[12:46] <intelikey> killermach welcome to *buntu
[12:46] <genii> xenol You somehow want to modify the iso contents and then generate some new md5 sum or something?
[12:46] <killermach> Daisuke_Ido: build-essential looks like what I need :)
[12:46] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be it :)
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> !repositories
[12:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> damn
[12:47] <stdin> BTR: hmm, I don't know, you could follow the instructions to manually update here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> oops :(
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, bad word
[12:47] <xenol> genii: no in general wat for is md5 sum used for? some kind of protection,
[12:47] <intelikey> killermach don't expect default *buntu to be normal.  it breaks all the rules
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> xenol: to verify that two files are identical
[12:48] <stdin> xenol: it makes sure the file you downloaded is OK, ie, not corrupted
[12:48] <genii> xenol No. It is a method of checksum so that ... what Ido just said :)
[12:48] <xenol> genii: thx mounted it now
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> what was the site for building a custom sources.list?
[12:49] <xenol> !source-o-matic
[12:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:49] <xenol> that one
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the one.
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> thanks
[12:49] <killermach> intelikey: I'm finding that.. but I'm testing it for a generic user person type
[12:49] <BTR> When i try to update to edgy, i get a bunc of errors in the console: http://pastebin.ca/301725 - how do i then update to edgy?
[12:49] <intelikey> xenol in general.  yes some kind of protection.  protects you from trying to install packages or use iso images that are incomplete or have been added too
[12:50] <genii> I will not be directly at this computer but will be around. If someone else starts talking on this name don't be surprised :)
[12:50] <genii> (semi-public lab)
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, shoot. The sources.list generator is undergoing maintenance. Please don't use
[12:50] <stdin> BTR: follow the instructions to manually update here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> oh well, i'll still need it in an hour
[12:51] <solitarybit> I am trying to follow the DRI instructions on Ubuntu forums http://tinyurl.com/y9f49e but the script always fails, saying it can't find the kernal headers (though adept says that they are installed)
[12:51] <killermach> Daisuke_Ido: now I'm missing kernel headers for a driver build... what do I need
[12:51] <intelikey> xenol not protection in the sense of encription  but in the sense of a quick beanch mark type test for the dl'd file.     a yard stick for dl's
[12:51] <Stalk3r> anyone know why I can't install wine on kubuntu dapper drake?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[12:52] <xenol> intelikey: i understand now thx
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> that's an issue i haven't had
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !headers
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> neat.  it worked :)
[12:52] <Stalk3r> heh
[12:52] <stdin> it's the all knowing bot :P
[12:52] <intelikey> killermach install linux-headers
[12:53] <intelikey> oh the bot beat me....   sorry.
[12:53] <forzen> who can help me ?
[12:53] <foob> how do you send files via scp/sftp via kde? nautilus has a built in scp thing but i dont see it in konq
[12:53] <forzen> i can't install kubuntu
[12:53] <intelikey> forzen why not ?
[12:53] <killermach> intelikey: no wonder I cannot  find it in synaptic.. it's not "kernel-headers"
[12:53] <forzen> i have a error message
[12:53] <forzen> install crashed
[12:54] <forzen> installer crashed
[12:54] <stdin> foob: i think it's fish:// not scp:// in konq
[12:54] <forzen> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:54] <forzen>   File "/usr/bin/ubiquity", line 166, in ?
[12:54] <foob> fish? :/
[12:54] <stdin> foob: yep, I know, it's strange, but it works here
[12:55] <Skrot> !nvidia
[12:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:55] <Jucato> fish:/ or sftp:/
[12:55] <stdin> same thing isn't it?
[12:55] <intelikey> forzen is that the liveCD ?
[12:55] <Jucato> there's a difference, I just don't understand what...
[12:55] <Jucato> :P
[12:55] <foob> man i love kubuntu, best deskto i ever had
[12:55] <stdin> :P
[12:55] <forzen> intelikey:  yes
[12:56] <foob> makes a man wonder how ms can get away with charging for their POSOS, sigh
[12:56] <intelikey> forzen can you try the 'alternate install CD' ?
[12:56] <Stalk3r> !wine
[12:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:57] <forzen> no
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> foob: really just a matter of thinking about things differently
[12:57] <xenol> do i need fonts from windows?
[12:57] <stdin> forzen: why not?
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> xenol: need?  no.  but if it will make you feel better.
[12:58] <genii> Has anyone tried to run Enlightenment on ubuntu yet? Mainly curious
[12:58] <forzen> because i don't want the alternate install cd
[12:58] <jager> sure seems to run fine
[12:58] <foob> they say MS windows is easier, but not really, i took me a good 5 years to research and try out enough different 3rd party apps to finally put together a great desktop with it. whereas with *ubuntu, it either comes with great software or you can find it quick in the respositories
[12:58] <xenol> Daisuke_Ido: well IDK if i need them
[12:59] <intelikey> forzen why not ?
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't think of any reason you would
[12:59] <forzen> i want graphic mode
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> foob: that's what helped me, the repository
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> okay...
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> there are atill a couple things for which i use wine
[01:00] <hatta> it's good for making pan sauces
[01:00] <mildner> anybody using a treo?
[01:00] <Stalk3r> lol
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> one is mp3 tagging, there's nothing i've found native to linux that can do what i need easily (and please don't say easytag or cowbell)
[01:00] <intelikey> forzen you like the crash pron hard coded cantankerous installer that wont work for you....   so you can see how sorry *buntu really is and hate it as much as i do.   rather than using an installer that will probably work....    hmmm oh well
[01:00] <Stalk3r> thanks for all the help!
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> that's pretty nice
[01:01] <forzen> intelikey:  i don't understand sorry
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> and the other one...  a few games.
[01:01] <intelikey> i don't either.
[01:02] <Stalk3r> hmm
[01:02] <foob> fish:// and sft:// dont seem to do anythin in konq
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm hoping for linux ports of the myst series and for wine to work with The Longest Journey
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> other than that, i'm happy
[01:02] <stdin> forzen: id the graphical installer won't work, the only other option is the alternate installer
[01:02] <stdin> *if
[01:02] <intelikey> forzen try the alternate install CD   you can install kubuntu from there just as easy as from the liveCD    well in cases like yours where it's not working, probably much easer than the live.
[01:03] <Stalk3r> heh
[01:04] <intelikey> or just forget it and say that jerk intelikey pissed me off and i don't like *buntu.     :)
[01:04] <Stalk3r> hrm
[01:04] <Stalk3r> Adept still won't install wine and I enabled all the repositories
[01:05] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba: heh
[01:05] <stdin> Stalk3r: try from the command line to see if there are any errors
[01:05] <Stalk3r> I'm not conversant with the command line
[01:05] <stdin> Stalk3r: just type: sudo apt-get install wine
[01:06] <murchadh_bhaba> Stalk3r: Are you getting any particular errors?
[01:06] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba: i didn't even want to start into a discription of how to install from the live without the installer....
[01:06] <forzen> euh
[01:06] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey: hehe
[01:07] <Stalk3r> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                    able)
[01:07] <Stalk3r> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                    ess using it?
[01:08] <stdin> Stalk3r: you have to close adept first
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <Stalk3r> lol
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <intelikey> ok
[01:08] <stdin> well, ok
[01:10] <murchadh_bhaba> Things are way more OK here than on #ubuntu if you go by word search occurences of the word ok!
[01:10] <intelikey> lol
[01:10] <intelikey> i bet that's right
[01:10] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey: It is now... hehe!
[01:11] <murchadh_bhaba> Did endo602 get that script to run?
[01:11] <draggho_> join 7thguard
[01:11] <draggho_> sh..t, to late, sorry guys
[01:11] <xenol> !ok
[01:11] <draggho_> ;)
[01:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:11] <intelikey> /
[01:12] <Stalk3r> r http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe wine 0.9.9-0ubuntu2
[01:12] <Stalk3r>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[01:12] <genii> murchadh_bhaba I image so, it worked OK for me in the last syntax I gave
[01:12] <stdin> looks like a DNS problam
[01:12] <intelikey> 1.0.0.0 ????
[01:12] <genii> *imagine*
[01:13] <Stalk3r> firefox went tits-up last night, too
[01:13] <genii> That is one messed up IP
[01:13] <Stalk3r> and I can't get any connection with kmud unless I use an IP address
[01:13] <Stalk3r> yeah, I disabled it and deleted the shortcuts to it
[01:13] <hilltop_> hi firephoto
[01:13] <intelikey> NetRange:   1.0.0.0 - 1.255.255.255
[01:13] <intelikey> CIDR:       1.0.0.0/8
[01:13] <intelikey> NetName:    RESERVED-9
[01:14] <firephoto> hilltop_: hi, did you ever get your dvd burned?
[01:15] <Stalk3r> what can I do to find out what my DNS problem is?
[01:15] <NotWired> okay, so i upgraded one of my machines to edgy from dapper over the weekend and ever since i've been having issues with kdm or X crashing; anyone have any ideas?
[01:15] <murchadh_bhaba> genii: Cool. ?-)
[01:15] <Stalk3r> !DNS
[01:15] <intelikey> me wonders how hard he will have to try to get in trubble playing with that ip...   --- 1.0.0.0 ping statistics ---
[01:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DNS - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <intelikey> 12 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 11013ms
[01:15] <hilltop_> firephoto, I gave up after 3 tries each with two DVDs, kept getting read errors even tho md5sum checked the iso file as OK. It always failed in verify.
[01:15] <stdin> you DNS servers are stored in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:15] <stdin> make sure they exist
[01:15] <intelikey> and work
[01:15] <genii> Stalk3r 146.137.96.7 is the IP for that repo in case you need it for the moment
[01:16] <genii> Stalk3r You on cable/DSL/dialup?
[01:17] <intelikey> genii it is ?
[01:17] <intelikey> that's a .gov addy
[01:17] <Jucato> ryanakca: are you there?
[01:18] <genii> Yeah it is a gov but "ping us.archive.ubuntu.com" and see for yourself the IP
[01:18] <ryanakca> Jucato: yep
[01:18] <hilltop_> firephoto, I might just try to boot them anyway later. :/
[01:18] <stdin> us.archive.ubuntu.com is an alias for mirror.mcs.anl.gov
[01:18] <Jucato> ryanakca: I installed doc-linux-html....silly question... where can I read them? :P
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: point your browser to /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ ...
[01:19] <Jucato> ryanakca: ah I thought so... that's the only way? can't view from KHelpCenter?
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: if you want to see a list of all the howtos, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/(your lang)/index.html
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: no... I'm going to add something for it later on.. if I can figure out how...
[01:19] <Jucato> ryanakca: heh good luck! and thanks! :)
[01:20] <genii> Stalk3r What I'm trying to determine is if your computer is directly connected out thru say cable etc or behind some router which should be assigning sane internal LAN # etc
[01:20] <ryanakca> Jucato: np
[01:20] <siv0x> can anyone walk me through partitioning my hard drive so i can duel boot windows and linux ?
[01:20] <genii> my guess is cable connection
[01:20] <ryanakca> Jucato: if you want to test the patch I'm 3/4s done, be my guest
[01:20] <Stalk3r> dsl, I'm behind a linksys router which is connected to the DSL router
[01:21] <intelikey> 146.137.96.7    OrgName:    Argonne National Laboratory      pingd to  alpaca-i.it.anl.gov 146.137.96.7 all right.   hmmmm
[01:21] <we6jbo> hi
[01:21] <Jucato> ryanakca: is that for feisty? I'm still on edgy...
[01:21] <we6jbo> I have a question
[01:21] <Stalk3r> so I'm a dynamic behind 192.168.1.1 which is behind 192.168.0.1
[01:21] <ryanakca> Jucato: should work for both...
[01:21] <ryanakca> Jucato: it's just for the directory layout...
[01:21] <Stalk3r> sorry, I'm in other windows and kids' homework all at the same time
[01:21] <Jucato> ah
[01:21] <NotWired> okay, so i upgraded one of my machines to edgy from dapper over the weekend and ever since i've been having issues with kdm or X crashing; anyone have any ideas?
[01:21] <genii> Stalk3r Ah OK. So that explains perhaps why DNS info is not making it thru the 2 hops
[01:22] <Jucato> what a mess...
[01:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: I can make a patch feisty to edgy as well if you want...
[01:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: yep :)
[01:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: and it links out....
[01:22] <windwalker> siv0x, I am a newbie just like you but I can give you some basic directions. I have a dual boot system.
[01:22] <Jucato> ryanakca: I can wait for the feisty one. I have it on vmware
[01:23] <stdin> we6jbo: you can ask your question
[01:23] <siv0x> windwalker: lol i know how to do it (on windows) but i'm on linux right now, and i'm really bad at partitioning when it comes to linux =\
[01:23] <we6jbo> I'm trying to find out what hardware supports linux
[01:23] <windwalker> siv0x, np I have a little experience
[01:23] <windwalker> Do you know which fis you wish to use?
[01:23] <windwalker> fs I mean siv0x
[01:24] <stdin> we6jbo: most hardware will work
[01:24] <genii> Stalk3r For the time being you could just make a static entry in /etc/networking/interfaces for eth0 (or what one you're using) with fixed internal IP and default-router entry
[01:24] <intelikey> !hardware
[01:24] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[01:24] <intelikey> we6jbo ^
[01:24] <stdin> intelikey: was just gonna find that link :P
[01:24] <windwalker> I have used reiserfs with (K)ubuntu,siv0x
[01:24] <andreasw> !de
[01:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:24] <genii> If eth1 or higher connected explains why no auto IP also...no default entry usually for it
[01:24] <siv0x> windwalker: fis?
[01:24] <windwalker> I have ext3 on Slackware, but I prefer reiserfs, siv0x
[01:24] <Stalk3r> oh, so set a static internal IP?
[01:25] <Stalk3r> no, it's eth0
[01:25] <windwalker> siv0x, I wanted to say FileSystem FS
[01:25] <siv0x> windwalker: all i want to do is resize my linux partition and make an NTFS type partition. and use grub to duel boot.
[01:25] <genii> Stalk3r Well, if you need to install a bunch of stuff right now etc, it is a fast way to get everything working at least for the moment
[01:25] <windwalker> siv0x, so you already have linux installed, right?
[01:26] <Stalk3r> well, last night adept was working fine
[01:26] <foob> and now it's inept?
[01:26] <siv0x> windwalker: yes
[01:26] <Stalk3r> I haven't tried to install anything but wine today
[01:26] <siv0x> windwalker: i'm using it right now.
[01:26] <windwalker> which FS are you using?
[01:26] <intelikey> unapt
[01:26] <siv0x> windwalker: ext3
[01:27] <stdin> siv0x: you can use the GParted Live CD to repartition http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:27] <windwalker> stdin, isn't there any need for defragmentation or something?
[01:28] <murchadh_bhaba> !fixapt
[01:28] <stdin> windwalker: with ext3, no
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <windwalker> stdin, what about reiserfs?
[01:28] <siv0x> stdin: i cant used gparted on here, without having to get a livecd?
[01:28] <genii> Stalk3r Maybe do a   /etc/init.d/networking restart      if the box is perhaps slow getting a # from the router. You will disconnect temporarily of course but then maybe ifconfig will show some sane number not some weird one like 1.0.0.0
[01:28] <xenol> can Ark work with rar files?
[01:29] <stdin> windwalker: not sure, but I don't think you have to defrag with ext3 or reiserfs, due to the way they store data
[01:29] <siv0x> stdin: if i could get alsa-oss emulator setup, i wouldnt need to make a partition : (
[01:29] <Stalk3r> ok, I"ll try that
[01:29] <windwalker> siv0x, what is your multimedia card?
[01:30] <stdin> siv0x: the reason I say use a live cd is, you need the disk not to be accessed when partitioning, so I can't be mounted
[01:30] <Stalk3r> oh crap
[01:30] <Stalk3r> how do you stop a ping?
[01:30] <genii> ctrl-C
[01:30] <xenol> how can i unrar rar archive someone plz
[01:30] <Stalk3r> thansk
[01:30] <xenol> can ark do it?
[01:30] <siv0x> windwalker: you mean what is my sound card? its an audigy 2 zs. what i'm trying to do is use wine to run counter strike source.. and to get sound in cs:s i need to use OSS.
[01:31] <siv0x> stdin: yes.. makes since.
[01:31] <stdin> you can use 'sudo ifup --force <interface>' if you don't want to disconnect from the net, Stalk3r
[01:31] <windwalker> siv0x, so it is a wine problem, not alsa'a, right?
[01:31] <intelikey> ^C
[01:31] <intelikey> ^C
[01:31] <intelikey> ^C
[01:32] <siv0x> windwalker: eh, kinda, but i have to get alsas oss emulator working. for the app to work. so the app can use OSS, or think it is using oss anyways.
[01:32] <intelikey> !rar | xenol
[01:32] <ubotu> xenol: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:32] <xenol> !info unrar-free
[01:33] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[01:33] <stdin> !unrar
[01:33] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:33] <intelikey> !info unrar-free dapper
[01:33] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[01:33] <windwalker> siv0x, You are probly much more experienced than me, but there are differenced from version to version of wine.
[01:33] <stdin> ahh, there is the unrar package too
[01:34] <siv0x> windwalker: i have the latest version of wine.
[01:34] <intelikey> new wine ?
[01:34] <windwalker> siv0x, I have used almost every version since 0.9.9 till 0.9.28 and they differ much
[01:34] <genii> It escapes me why anyone still uses rar
[01:34] <siv0x> stdin: will i have to edit anything in grub, so that it will boot windows correctly?
[01:34] <windwalker> siv0x. Currently I am using 0.9.18 for some of my apps due to better compatibility, but this has nothing to do with sound :(
[01:35] <intelikey> ewh
[01:35] <genii> intelikey heh :) smart aleck
[01:35] <windwalker> siv0x if you install windows over linux grub will die
[01:35] <intelikey> some often maybe
[01:35] <siv0x> windwalker: any chance you use WINE to run steam?
[01:35] <siv0x> windwalker: so how will i need to install grub ?
[01:35] <stdin> siv0x: if you install windows, yes, and if you don't make the ntfs partition at the end of the drive yes, you'll also have to edit /etc/fstab
[01:36] <windwalker> siv0x, I have run only Heroses III and some basic games with wine
[01:36] <HymnToLife> !grub | siv0x
[01:36] <ubotu> siv0x: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:36] <windwalker> grub-install, siv0x
[01:36] <intelikey> but yeah genii i don't understand why people support unfree software
[01:36] <intelikey> it ooozes out of me also
[01:36] <genii> I wasa able to run Civ 3 but not civ 4 on wine
[01:36] <HymnToLife> who needs WINE when you have OpenArena and a native NWN build ?
[01:36] <windwalker> but you have to edit by hand the boot menu
[01:37] <siv0x> windwalker: so you didnt have to setup alsas oss emulator, how did you get sound?
[01:37] <windwalker> another option which I used was to copy the bootsector of the linux partition and use the ntldr, siv0x
[01:37] <genii> intelikey Yes, I am a large supporter of open source firstly then at least free software secondly :) Then of course shareware, far down nagware then the harrassment-ware eg:windoze
[01:37] <gopp> what app in kde do I use to watch tv via my tv tunner card
[01:37] <gopp> !tv
[01:37] <siv0x> stdin: so theres no way of getting out of messing with grub?
[01:37] <windwalker> siv0x, I did not touch any wine config files for the sound it just worked out of the box
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <Kr4t05> Okay... Say I want to backup around 13GB of files, but I want to be able to squeeze it done reasonably. What's the best compression format to use?
[01:38] <intelikey> M$ harrassment-ware Windows *     hehhe
[01:38] <gopp> !tvtunner
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtunner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <stdin> siv0x: you'll have to add windows to grub anyway, unless grub-install detects it and adds an entry
[01:38] <windwalker> siv0x, I tested it with ymf724 and wine 0.9.9
[01:39] <intelikey> !vidio
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vidio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <windwalker> stdin, I did not know grub-install could do this automatically.
[01:39] <genii> windwalker, nice Yamaha card :)
[01:39] <windwalker> I have a 744 too
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[01:39] <stdin> windwalker: sometimes it works, sometimes not :P
[01:39] <we6jbo> Does anyone use AW9D-MAX motherboard running Ubuntu?
[01:40] <windwalker> siv0x it rocks also, but cannot be used with earphones
[01:40] <siv0x> windwalker: hehe
[01:40] <intelikey> !tv-out
[01:40] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out on certain NVidia cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition
[01:40] <intelikey> i knew there was one.....
[01:40] <genii> !v4l
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v4l - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <genii> bah'
[01:40] <tony_> i have this problme with java5 .. is not installing , nor i can apply the upgrade .
[01:41] <stdin> dumb bot
[01:41] <tony_> i keep getting to licence agrement
[01:41] <windwalker> Anyway it is 3 a.m. and the only reason for me to be awake is to say a big THANK YOU to the creators and the users of (K)ubuntu. I just managed to resolve my 1 week problem!
[01:41] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I find it much easier to use nvidia-settings to generate an xorg.conf for my TV, then save it as xorg.conf.tv and rename it when I want to use a tv. :)
[01:41] <genii> stdin you'd think v4l would have SOME result
[01:41] <windwalker> This would never happen with window$
[01:41] <stdin> genii: i know :p
[01:41] <siv0x> windwalker: I think i might just install windows back, atleast intill they develop an easier way to play windows games on linux, im a big time gamer, though, i love linux, they just dont work well together :\
[01:41] <genii> !video4linux
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video4linux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <windwalker> siv0x, I had a team of four in CS 1.6
[01:42] <intelikey> tony_  did you try#  sudo apt-get install -f sun-java5-jre  ?
[01:42] <windwalker> we rocked ,siv0x ;)
[01:42] <stdin> !anything
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <tony_> yes. and i get the same problme
[01:42] <siv0x> windwalker: ex cal m here :D
[01:42] <windwalker> but my time went away for this kind of stuff, siv0x
[01:42] <stdin> see, it knows nothing
[01:42] <Kr4t05> siv0x: If yo u want to game, just dual boot. Keep Windows coralled to a small 80GB partiton and let Linux run rampant on the rest of your disc. (Assuming you have a good amount of hard drive.)
[01:42] <genii> about nothing LOL
[01:42] <tony_> i just got the security update. and java was part of the update. now adapt got stuck in that licence part
[01:42] <windwalker> siv0x, try all version since 0.9.9
[01:42] <crimson> does ktorrent support rss?
[01:42] <intelikey> !thanks | stdin
[01:42] <ubotu> stdin: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[01:43] <Kr4t05> siv0x: I regularly reboot into Windows for some GTA:SA or Halo CE. ;)
[01:43] <windwalker> I can give you the download site if you wish siv0x
[01:43] <stdin> !shutup
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shutup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <intelikey> !botabuse | stdin
[01:43] <ubotu> stdin: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:43] <siv0x> kr4t05: eh, yeah, i've done it before but, i ended up going back to windows.
[01:43] <stdin> time for some /msg fun :)
[01:43] <siv0x> windwalker: naw thats okay.
[01:43] <genii> afk a bit ... have fun with the ubotu stdin LOL
[01:44] <Kr4t05> siv0x: But, nothing beats the real games like Doom 3, Quake 4, and BZFlag. :)
[01:44] <stdin> intelikey: was just gonna do that /msg thing
[01:44] <siv0x> Kr4t05: true. :)
[01:44] <intelikey> 
[01:45] <siv0x> windwalker: do you still play any steam games? - if so i'll add you to steam friends. and we'll talk there sometime in the future.
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Ok, I need a good tag editor.
[01:46] <windwalker> siv0x, I am playing only CS 1.6 with my friends in my internet cafe. I prefer peer dedicated, becuase I hate Laaaaag
[01:46] <windwalker> siv0x, you know it is not fair ;)
[01:46] <siv0x> windwalker: haha
[01:46] <siv0x> windwalker: ic. thats cool
[01:47] <windwalker> siv0x, probably you don't know but all version prior to 1.6 were server dependent.
[01:47] <siv0x> windwalker: didnt know.
[01:47] <windwalker> siv0x, the server player was 1.3 time better in reactions as compared to clients
[01:47] <siv0x> windwalker: but i quit cs 1.6, a few months ago. started playing source. cs 1.6 is dying
[01:47] <windwalker> siv0x, I have only one lost game in 1vs1 due to this fact
[01:48] <windwalker> in the other millions of times I was the server lol...
[01:48] <siv0x> windwalker: heh
[01:49] <windwalker> siv0x, how much is the ping to your servers?
[01:49] <intelikey> tony_ you also read   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  ?
[01:49] <siv0x> windwalker: ehh, for me, they suck, but thats because my connection blows. but for my neighbor they are around 25 or so.
[01:49] <tony_> trying to open adapt. but it say there is another adapt is open , but it is not. how to kill what ever adapt that might be open ?
[01:50] <windwalker> siv0x, sound pretty good...I cannot find a better server than 50 in my region.
[01:50] <siv0x> windwalker: ouch.
[01:50] <intelikey> tony_  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:50] <tony_> i just want to get back to what ever my linux was, .. i don't want to install java, im getting tired of this linux
[01:50] <siv0x> windwalker: welp, back to my gaming.. nice chatting with you, add me to aim if you have it, Siv0xLeet
[01:51] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | tony_
[01:51] <ubotu> tony_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:51] <intelikey> fuser like so lock this box
[01:52] <windwalker> tony_ : http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[01:52] <tony_> ihave winxp as a doul boot..
[01:52] <tony_> thanks. i got my adapt back
[01:53] <windwalker> tony_ just in case you decide for windows$$$
[01:53] <we6jbo> I have a question
[01:53] <crimson> does ktorrent support rss?
[01:53] <tony_> i ketp window because i use macromedia dreamweaver . thats all
[01:54] <we6jbo> Is Ubuntu a suse OS?
[01:54] <genii> no Debian
[01:54] <windwalker> tony_ www.winehw.org
[01:54] <tony_> java is set to upgradable .. how can i cancel those .. ? jave is the one that cusing the problmes
[01:54] <windwalker> tony_ www.winehq.org
[01:54] <murchadh_bhaba> I have no question. ',-(
[01:55] <windwalker> I am really sleeepy :()
[01:55] <tony_> yes. i seen that . DW 8 is not working with wine i guess. and it seems lots of stuff is not realy work well with wine
[01:56] <windwalker> tony_ 8.0 is working with 6.10
[01:56] <windwalker> chech the DB of wine
[01:57] <tony_> thanks. . i have to fix this damn java first. .lol.
[01:57] <tony_> im totaly pissed
[01:57] <tony_> god .
[01:58] <Jucato> tony_: install it through the command line. don't use Adept
[01:58] <tony_> i tried. is not installing
[01:58] <windwalker> don't be.....->http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp , tony_ ;)
[01:58] <tony_> it shows licence agrement and installation gets stuck there
[01:58] <windwalker> http://appdb.winehq.org/search.php?sSearchQuery=dreamwaver , tony_
[01:58] <Jucato> tony_: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin ? what error messages are you getting? (use pastebin)
[01:59] <Jucato> ugh.. gtg... bbl
[01:59] <tony_> is it java bin or java jre
[01:59] <tony_> ?
[01:59] <genii> crimson ktorrent > 2.0.3 has rss plugin     according to ktorrent.org
[02:00] <crimson> alright, thanks genii
[02:00] <tony_> message i get is blue sceen with java licence agrement , with ok button which is not clickable
[02:00] <Jucato> tony_: you can install either. they're dependent on each other so they'll both get installed
[02:00] <flyinghippo> Hello.  It seems that every time I leave a program running for too long, it vanishes.  I am wondering where they go, and how I can disable this feature.
[02:00] <Jucato> tony_: that's why I said
[02:00] <Jucato> "don't use Adept"
[02:01] <tony_> i did use the console for that. i still got the same licencing thing
[02:01] <Jucato> tony_: press Tab to get to the buttons
[02:01] <windwalker> Bye to all of you.
[02:02] <tony_> tried that , wont work
[02:02] <Jucato> (you usually don't click in the terminal... use Tab to navigate through options)
[02:02] <tony_> ok
[02:02] <tony_> worked now
[02:02] <tony_> i think
[02:03] <Jucato> it should work now
[02:03] <tony_> so dreamweaver 8 will work perfectly under linux if i use WINE ????????
[02:04] <tony_> Thanks guys. it worked. and update worked as well
[02:04] <tony_> ahhhhh. im sooooooooooooo happy now
[02:04] <Jucato> tony_: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3482
[02:05] <genii> To hell with codeweavers :)
[02:05] <tony_> is Wine is repo .???
[02:06] <tony_> or i have to downlaod and install manually ?
[02:06] <Ed_L`> hi, I've got a problem loading kubuntu with my PCI video card
[02:06] <Jucato> it's in the repos. but an older version
[02:06] <flyinghippo> Does anyone nkow how to prevent Kubuntu from closing out idling programs?  :\
[02:07] <tony_> thanks
[02:07] <Ed_L`> when I set it in bios to use my radeon 9250 PCI as the primary card, KDE doesn't load. It just sits there on a blank screen
[02:07] <Ed_L`> but setting it to use intel extreme graphics works. Which is a problem as I'd like to use dual screens :(
[02:07] <Ed_L`> can ahnybody help
[02:07] <Ed_L`> ?
[02:07] <genii> flyinghippo If you can find where they are being called from add a & after the programname, will daemonise (background) it
[02:09] <flyinghippo> I'm king of missing what you mean, genii.
[02:10] <tony_> how can i tell what vesion of kubuntu im using ?? i think im edgy
[02:10] <tony_> 6.10
[02:11] <apol> lsb_release -r
[02:11] <tony_> 6.10 so it is edgy
[02:11] <apol> exactly
[02:12] <tony_> thanks
[02:12] <apol> :)
[02:13] <genii> flyinghippo What program/s for instance are shutting down that you want to stay active?
[02:13] <flyinghippo> Gaim and XChat.
[02:15] <genii> Hmm never had a problem with Gaim shutting off before. Just disconnect/recoonect a lot on bad days
[02:17] <genii> flyinghippo At any rate the method I said earlier would be no good for those, more for something that needs to be running detached from a terminal etc.
[02:18] <xenol> !sources-o-matic
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sources-o-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !source-o-matic
[02:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:18] <xenol> thx
[02:19] <tony_> has anyone installed limewire before ?
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> tony its not called limewire in Linux
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> good old azureus for me/ fast and simple
[02:23] <genii> tony_ There is something for linux called Frostwire
[02:23] <tony_> is it as good as limewire ???
[02:23] <tony_> there is limewire pro for linux . i converted to dep. and after installing it , is not lunching at all
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> tony yeah, its bittorent nd very mature
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> and*
[02:24] <tony_> thanks
[02:24] <tony_> is it in repo ?
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> tony use http://www.torrentspy.com/ to look for your torrents
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> tony yeah its in repo
[02:25] <tony_> i don't like torrrents, i find them way too slow
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> tony I get 400k/s
[02:25] <tony_> i have lime wire on my window and is fastest peer i seen
[02:25] <tony_> woow
[02:28] <slop_> anyone know how to disable the thing that makes my monitor go black after being idle for awhile?
[02:28] <ernz> Can someone please point me in the direction of a data recovery tool (to run on linux) that will let me scan an NTFS hard disk for deleted files. Quite urgent. Any help appreciated.
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> slop_: look in kcontrol
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> slop_: there is a time setting for the screen saver
[02:29] <slop_> Linux_Galore: ok, thanks
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> slop_: also your bios can often have a setting for it
[02:29] <slop_> aw man...i hope its not bios doing it....i can't restart right now
[02:31] <ernz> Someone please?
[02:32] <genii> gotta go for now back ~30   have fun
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> ernz: the problem with NTFS is its a proprietary file system and very poorly documented
[02:33] <slop_> Linux_Galore: it would be the power saving setting, right?  where it says 'Switch off monitor after: (its set to 45 minutes)'
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> ernz: have a look on www.google.com/linux
[02:33] <lupine_85> !info mondo edgy
[02:33] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[02:33] <ernz> Linux_Galore: I don't quite see what you are getting at.
[02:33] <lupine_85> that came up when I searched for ntfs in apt; might do the trick
[02:33] <lupine_85> ah. AND:
[02:34] <lupine_85> !info ntfsprogs edgy
[02:34] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 532 kB
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> ernz:  ok, create a program for NTFS when you have "no documentation" from Microsoft, you cant
[02:34] <lupine_85> ernz: includes ntfsundelete
[02:34] <lupine_85> which is exactly what you want :D
[02:34] <lupine_85> how safe it is, I don't know
[02:34] <ernz> lupine_85, much, much closer to what I am after, I am literally looking at that page right now.
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> ernz: you can get some free stuff but they may or may not work because Microsoft changes NTFS without much detail
[02:35] <lupine_85> ok :) you might want to make an image of the disc partition before you do any writes "just in case"
[02:35] <ernz> However, "	ntfsundelete cannot perform the impossible."
[02:35] <bobesponja> is there a way to check if I'm running on a amd64 or amd32?
[02:35] <lupine_85> (just dd if=/dev/<devicefile> of=/path/to/disc.img bs=1024)
[02:35] <lupine_85> bobesponja: uname -a should tell you
[02:36] <lupine_85> ernz: yeah, that's the same for all undelete tools
[02:36] <ernz> lupine_85: The disk was formatted (A quick format)
[02:36] <lupine_85> then you want ntfsunformat :/
[02:36] <lupine_85> which doesn't seem to exist
[02:36] <ernz> lmao
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> the people who created partition magic have a Linux tool set for working with ntfs, not free though
[02:37] <bobesponja> lupine_85: I've just installed a 32bit kubuntu on a laptop so it's running a 32 kernel, but is there a way to know if the processor is 64 or 32?
[02:37] <ernz> It looks like I may have to hook up a windows drive to a windows computer, see if I can use evil to fight evil.
[02:37] <lupine_85> bobesponja: try to boot a 64-bit live CD?
[02:37] <lupine_85> look at the documentation?
[02:38] <lupine_85> cat /proc/cpuinfo will give you all the info linux has about your CPU. nothing useful here (AMD)
[02:38] <lupine_85> for intel, you might get lucky
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: uname -a
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: if its amd64 it will say so
[02:39] <bobesponja> lupine_85: AMD Semron Processor 3200+
[02:39] <bobesponja> is that 64?
[02:39] <bobesponja> Sempron
[02:39] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: that just tells you the cpu it doesnt tell you if your running in 64/32 bit mode
[02:39] <ernz> lupine_85: All I have to do now is get onto a Winblows box, find a torrent site riddled with spyware, malware, malicious scripts, viruses and then download an illegal torrent to an infected drive, run the buggy, slow application on it, recover a couple of files, let them be infected with w/e crap was just accidentally put on the system and bobs your uncle. Eh?
[02:40] <endo602> how do i make a script that opens konsole and does command?
[02:40] <lupine_85> bobesponja: the easiest way is to try the 64-bit live CD
[02:40] <lupine_85> the second easiest way is to read the manual
[02:40] <bobesponja> Linux_Galore: I know what mode I'm running on, I wanna know the cpu
[02:40] <james> how can i make sure that flash actually works with firefox? i've had issues with it crashing the browser in the past
[02:40] <lupine_85> the hardest way is to crack open your PC case, take off the CPU fan and look at the numbers on the cpu
[02:40] <mathieu> Hello
[02:41] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: yeah  sysinfo -c   if you have it installed
[02:41] <mathieu> I need help starting video automatically (with mplayer) on my second screen
[02:41] <mathieu> i mean, what mplayer option can I use so the video starts fullscreen, in screen 2
[02:41] <ernz> bobesponja: your running Kubuntu or windows?
[02:41] <lupine_85> ernz: you could always write ntfsunformat yourself :)
[02:41] <bobesponja> ernz: kubuntu
[02:42] <Linux_Galore> sysinfo -c : [CPU]  2 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @
[02:42] <Linux_Galore>  931MHz (256 KB/1863.01 bogomips/4% load)
[02:42] <ernz> lupine_85: Why write something for a device formatted by a company that will soon be destroyed by the open source community?
[02:42] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[02:42] <lupine_85> ernz: good point
[02:42] <lupine_85> because you need it? :p
[02:43] <mathieu> also is there a way to use the xv driver, I see a blue screen i need to use the x11 (slow) driver to see anything
[02:43] <ernz> bobesponja: Sorry, I had an idea, but it's no use.
[02:44] <bobesponja> cool, my laptop just shutdown cause it thinks that the battery is empty although A it is full and B it is plugged
[02:44] <ernz> lupine_85: Sir, I put it to you that if I weren't using Windows in the first place, there wouldn't be a Windows formatted disk to try and recover.
[02:45] <james> ernz just made me lol a little bit
[02:47] <ernz> bobesponja: My HP does that, because there is a Windows application that retains the fact that the battery is empty when it hibernates. then when it's charged and woken up, it looks at the same config without refreshing, and shuts down again.
[02:48] <bobesponja> ernz: there is no windows on my laptop
[02:48] <ernz> HP Software on Windows OS on HP Hardware. Its like putting a outboard in a Lada and then taking it for a trip down the canal.
[02:49] <fox_> hey, im trying to install the opera broswer and im abit lost , any one able to help ?
[02:49] <ernz> bobesponja: Let me amend my metaphor: It's like putting a jet engine in a Lada and then driving off a cliff.
[02:49] <ernz> fox_: I can
[02:49] <bobesponja> ernz: I'm not following you
[02:50] <ernz> bobesponja: Me neither.
[02:50] <fox_> i just downloaded the package to my home directory , how do i go about installing it ?
[02:50] <Murrlin> good evening
[02:50] <ernz> What kind of package is it fox_?
[02:50] <Murrlin> I'm wondering what repository I can add that has mplayer in it?
[02:50] <fox_> i downloaded both the .deb and tar.gz
[02:51] <ernz> fox_ - Right click the deb, there there should be a package management context menu
[02:51] <endo602> does anyone know how to make in icon open up terminal and type in a command
[02:51] <ernz> That SHOULD expand to show an Install option?
[02:51] <ernz> fox_ I'm not entirely sure of that though, because I don't use Kubuntu, I did for a while and thats what I remember.
[02:51] <fox_> wow that was easy
[02:52] <fox_> which OS do you use now ?
[02:53] <ernz> fox_ Ubuntu I think.
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> fox_: with the .deb  you type  sudo  dpkg -i package_name.deb
[02:53] <fox_> just got it to work ;) thanks
[02:53] <endo602> i figured out most of it
[02:53] <ernz> It's all brown and muddy, and it looks like my 2 year old nephew came up with the title bar design. Yer, it's Ubuntu.
[02:53] <endo602> just dont know how to configure it to type in a command
[02:53] <fox_> is there a reason you switched from Kubuntu to Ubuntu ?
[02:53] <xenol> can someone gimme packages where i can update all KDE based software cause those ihave r offline
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> fox_: with the tar.gz/tar.bz  stuff you can use an app called kompile
[02:54] <ernz> fox_ I'm glad you asked because was actually a reason. :)
[02:54] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Are you a char bot?
[02:54] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Are you a chat bot? **
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> ernz: nope
[02:54] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Are you SURE?
[02:54] <xenol> where can i update amarok, k3b and more?
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> you wish
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yes
[02:55] <ernz> sudo kill Linux_Galore
[02:55] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Still there?
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> yawns!
[02:55] <endo602> is the a run command that i can use to open konsole and type something in it
[02:55] <fox_> so what was your reason for switching ?
[02:55] <ernz> Fox_ To answer your question....
[02:55] <xenol> Linux_Galore: can u gimme repo or sumthing where i can DL updates for kde in dapper,
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> xenol: look on the kubuntu.org home page they often have new extra bits you can add listed or you can just use adept
[02:56] <soulrider> hi
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> xenol: goto www.kubuntu.org  you may have to go back a bit but they have kde 3.5.5 for dapper there
[02:57] <ernz> Fox_: Ubuntu's (Gnome in general)'s bluetooth support BITES! I game Kubuntu a go, and everything runs perfectly for a little while, until I screwed about with the theme manager and then loads of stuff died and konquerer didn't recognise how to open folders and stuff.
[02:57] <ernz> fox_: On top of that, I found out that a whole load of things that weren't working don't work in ubuntu either, it is mostly down to Edgy being so damned buggy and unstable.
[02:58] <fox_> i see
[02:58] <ernz> fox_: Aside from the stuff I broke, it was pretty damned good, I think i might switch back...?
[02:58] <xenol> which version of kde is insalled original dapper? 3.5.4?
[02:58] <ernz> fox_: How about you? What's your OS transition tale?
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> xenol: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[02:59] <Jucato> xenol: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[02:59] <crimson> how do i update my repositories?
[02:59] <fox_> i am now running Kubuntu , switched over from windows2000 !
[02:59] <ernz> 2000? ...... L ! O ! L ! - You must be on top of the moon after that switch eh?
[02:59] <fox_> ;)
[03:00] <ernz> Fox_ How long you been a user?
[03:00] <fox_> of kubuntu ? 2 weeks now
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> crimson: open adept and edit the repo its under "View"
[03:00] <crimson> thanks
[03:01] <ernz> I say user because in the Microsoft world, everyone is generally an unwelcome guest in the OS unless they by the 3 month upgrade license to an admin package.
[03:01] <crimson> just for reference, whats the bash syntax?
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> crimson: adept is under system in the main menu
[03:02] <ernz> 2 Weeks? Can it be? - Someone is actually more noob than me?! I have been using Ubuntu for a year now, it's been very much a love hate relationship.
[03:02] <crimson> linux_galore: i know what adept is, i was asking what the syntax for updating the repositories in the terminal is
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> crimson: sudo apt-get update ?
[03:03] <bobbyd_> hi
[03:03] <crimson> alright, thanks
[03:03] <Mace68> lo all, what's the best way to switch from fedora 6 to Kubuntu?
[03:03] <ernz> I love the fact that a lot of stuff just works, and everything is really simple, and quick. I hate that loads of stuff requires dependancies, or doesn't work and you need to spend 30 mins installing something when in windows it would be a double click.
[03:03] <bobbyd_> how do I force my laptop to run at the slowest clock speed to preserve batteries?
[03:03] <xenol> Linux_Galore: so with kde 3.5.5 will i have newest amarok ported for dapper?
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: backup your home directory and do a new install
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> xenol: not sure, I have a feeling amarok has its own extra repo
[03:04] <Mace68> lol, that's what i thought... bugger... I got a 4 drive raid0 with loads of data.
[03:04] <draik> I can't seem play video files online
[03:04] <draik> I get (no video) on the videos
[03:04] <ernz> draik, I think I know the answer to this one.
[03:05] <draik> I can view them with kmplayer, but not in my mozilla browser
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> xenol: here we go http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.3.php
[03:05] <xenol> Linux_Galore: it has but now it  is downlaodng backport o.O why is that?
[03:05] <ernz> Did you install the VLC-plugin?
[03:05] <draik> ernz: what's the answer?
[03:05] <ernz> Draik: Did you install the VLC-plugin?
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> xenol: just add that to adept
[03:05] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: can i do it without formatting my main data partition?
[03:05] <draik> ernz: Could not find package
[03:05] <draik> ernz: I guess not
[03:05] <Jucato> xenol: no... if you're on dapper, you need a separate repo to get the latest amarok
[03:06] <Jucato> !amarok
[03:06] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[03:06] <ernz> Draik: Good, it sucks. I am using mplayer plugin for mozilla. It works pretty well.
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: ?? whats a data partition
[03:06] <draik> It doesn't work for me
[03:06] <ernz> Draik: What happened when you tried it? An empty grey box?
[03:07] <draik> Black box with   (no video)     in white on the inside of the box
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you can manually set the partition "yes"
[03:07] <draik> Hmmm...
[03:07] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: i have 3 partitons: /boot /swap and / with /swap and / being part of a LVM volume. I wanted to know if i could install without having to format /
[03:07] <ernz> draik: yea, I had that, but I managed to get rid of it by uninstalling the vlc-plugin I added.
[03:07] <draik> ernz: I seem to have mozilla-plugin-vlc  installed
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you cant use "fedora" stuff though with kubuntu
[03:08] <ernz> draik: lol - Yep, get rid of it
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you only really need one swap
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: per machine
[03:08] <draik> ernz: what's the command again?       apt-get remove --purge mozilla-plugin-vlc        ?
[03:08] <xenol> Linux_Galore: i am now confused
[03:08] <ernz> draik: Close all firefox sessions and tabs and reopen
[03:08] <ernz> draik: Sorry, I'm a noob, I use the package manage GUI
[03:09] <draik> Ok, but is that the correct command?
[03:09] <ernz> Draik: Synaptic, is it?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> xenol: the kde repo i gave you doesnt contain amarok the other one I gave you does
[03:09] <ernz> Draik: Sorry Dunno. Give it a go n see
[03:09] <ernz> Draik: It looks official :)
[03:09] <draik> ernz: Ok. So how do I remove it with Synaptic?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> xenol: you need both
[03:09] <xenol> !Paste
[03:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:10] <ernz> Just search for it, and select remove.
[03:10] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: i only have one swap but I put it as a LVM so I could resize it if my ram size changed in the future. But I have too much data on / to back up...
[03:10] <xenol> Linux_Galore: will u find few mins? i will paste my sources .list
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you cant share /
[03:10] <draik> ernz: nevermind
[03:10] <draik> ernz: seems that I did delete the package
[03:10] <draik> ernz: 1 sec
[03:10] <ernz> Draik: Gone is it?
[03:10] <ernz> Draik: Cool
[03:11] <xenol> Linux_Galore: tell me if they r good ones http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/307/
[03:11] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: so could i boot with the live cd, remove the fedora system files while leaving my home dir intact and install kubuntu to the existing / partition?
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you will have to resize / and make a new partition for the other install
[03:11] <marcelo__> hi all, there is any program like a 'anydvd' and 'clonedvd' for linux... I want to decrypt a DVD and i'm linux starter :) ops.. i am using KUbuntu
[03:11] <soulrider> marcelo__: k9copy
[03:11] <draik> ernz: Here is the error I have now...
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> xenol: they look fine
[03:11] <xenol> Linux_Galore: and it ask for some key
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> xenol: you can add a key, the page I gave you show you how
[03:12] <ernz> draik: Shoot.
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> shows*
[03:12] <draik> ernz: Let me replicate the error and get you a screenshot
[03:13] <ernz> draik: Sure.
[03:13] <xenol> Linux_Galore: i gave there but it shows that i still dotn  have key
[03:13] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yes, read the repo details i gave you, it tells you how to add a new key for that repo
[03:13] <draik> ernz: Totem could not play 'http://www.videocure.com/inc/prevideo.swf'.
[03:13] <ernz> XChat is so much more awesome that mIRC32!
[03:14] <draik> ernz: That's the error message
[03:14] <ernz> draik: SWF's are flash media files.
[03:14] <draik> ernz: ok. So why is totem trying to play them?
[03:14] <ernz> Draik, Got Flash player installed?
[03:14] <xenol> Linux_Galore: i made it but when i sudo aptget update it says no key obtained
[03:14] <draik> ernz: Should. I got the nonfree installed
[03:14] <ernz> draik: Lol - Not a clue!?
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yeah I bet thats for one of the others you have added, each one has its own
[03:14] <ernz> draik: Hang on a sec, Ill have a look'see at that link
[03:15] <intelikey> you know there are some pretty good links on that page, even if the sarcasm is a little thick on the page itself.    http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> xenol: not horrible important, it will still work
[03:15] <xenol> Linux_Galore: so can now i upgrade or not?
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yeah, dont worry
[03:15] <xenol> Linux_Galore: but if i DL backport version wont it crash?
[03:15] <xenol> be buggy or so?
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> xenol: ?? what package are we talking about
[03:16] <soulrider> ok.... it sais that some people have never heard of any Os other than linux
[03:16] <soulrider> thats impossible
[03:16] <xenol> Linux_Galore: k3b is downloaded from backport
[03:16] <Jucato> xenol: no problem with that. the official repositories won't conflict (much)
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> xenol: aah, I compiled k3b myself, but no it will work fine
[03:17] <Jucato> the latest k3b is in the backports, but the latest amarok is in kubuntu.org
[03:17] <ernz> Hey draik: Mine opens in flash player 9, can I recommend re-installing FP9 with firefox close, maybe this with jumpstart the file associations and get it handled correctly?
[03:17] <draik> ernz: here is the 2nd part of the error message             You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins.
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> think Im running k3b 1.0rc3
[03:17] <ernz> Draik: Go to http://www.compfused.com
[03:17] <xenol> buggy?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> xenol: no works fine
[03:18] <Jucato> xenol: don't go compiling if you're not sure :)
[03:18] <ernz> Draik: Play Dumbass of the year award video - does it work?
[03:18] <draik> ernz: Nope. Doesn't show anything
[03:18] <xenol> wat is better koffice or OOo? i guess OOo
[03:18] <xenol> jucato i dont know how to compile :P
[03:18] <ernz> Just a grey box?
[03:19] <draik> yup
[03:19] <draik> ernz: Yup. Got nothing
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> xenol: depends what your doing, koffice I use for general stuff OOo for complex tasks
[03:19] <Jucato> xenol: that means, don't compile now, learn first, then compile later :)
[03:19] <xenol> yeah
[03:19] <ernz> draik: I had that too!!! What a pain in the arse it was to fix.
[03:19] <xenol> Linux_Galore: when i DL it shows that amarok is being DLed from backport source but tit is version 1.4.3
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> xenol: OOo is slower and uses allot more resources than koffice
[03:20] <draik> ernz: How did you fix it?
[03:20] <genii> basic compile not too bad :) eg:  ./configure && make && make install
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yeah thats right, last version is 1.4.3 for dapper
[03:20] <Jucato> actually, ./configure --prefix is the way to go! :)
[03:20] <ernz> Draik: Can you please fire up the package manager again, and check to see if you have 'mplayer' and 'mozilla-mplayer' both installed.
[03:21] <xenol> but if i want later this year make compile gentoo to try it wat does it take to compile whole system from source or debian
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: did they port Amarok 1.4.4 to dapper ?
[03:21] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: nope...
[03:21] <xenol> it wont be enough just ./configure, make and make-install :D
[03:21] <ernz> Draik: You will also need the 'w32codecs' package if you don't already have it installed.
[03:21] <genii> gentoo can be a pain in the ass but it's a good learning experience. Also you get everything compiled and tailored exactly for what box you have which is optimal
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> xenol: k3b is actually very easy to build you just goto make sure you have all the dev libs (it will warn you)
[03:22] <ernz> Still there Draik?
[03:22] <genii> gentoo is also Debian based as Ubuntu is
[03:22] <draik> ernz: Mplayer and mozilla-mplayer are both installed and latest versions
[03:22] <xenol> Linux_Galore: compiling kernel is kinda riskyif it wont compile good?
[03:23] <draik> ernz: w32codecs is also installed and latest version
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> xenol: not really, there is a howto running around that explains "how to build a kernel the ubuntu way"
[03:23] <ernz> draik: Restart firefox, whats the result?
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> xenol: very easy, and if it breaks you just swap back to the default
[03:24] <xenol> Linux_Galore: should i build new kernel if i have no probs with my actual?
[03:24] <genii> What Galore said :)
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> xenol: there is no damage done in building your own kernel of you dont delete the old one
[03:24] <draik> ernz: I just uninstalled mozilla-totem... restarting firefox...
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> xenol: good experience points
[03:25] <genii> I wonder if the gentoo devs took pages from the linuxfromscratch site :)
[03:25] <xenol> i guess i should then install newly ubuntu on my left 14 gb partiotion and try these kind f things there
[03:25] <umalone> There's not that much need to compile a profiled kernel now that most stuff are loaded as modules
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> xenol: if you have no hardware issues I wouldnt bother personally
[03:25] <umalone> 'twas  different in the good ole days
[03:25] <draik> ernz: GOT IT RUNNING
[03:25] <draik> ernz: THANK YOU!!!
[03:25] <ernz> draik: Sweeeet.
[03:26] <ernz> How about that SWF?
[03:26] <genii> xenol The only time you want to compile a new kernel usually is if there is some feature you want builtin to it that is problemmatic to load as a kernel module
[03:26] <endo602> genii i got a link to open up the konsole to the directory
[03:26] <endo602> but i cant get it to run the executable
[03:26] <draik> ernz: SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTT!!!!!!!!
[03:26] <ernz> draik: DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:26] <draik> ernz: It's playing with mplayer though
[03:27] <xenol> genii: can u gimme som good websites where i can learn these things like working with shells, compiling, isntalling etc?
[03:27] <genii> endo602 Cool :)   Using the    konsole --oclose -e /path/filename.sh     syntax?
[03:27] <ernz> Draik: Still embedded in the browser?
[03:27] <draik> ernz: What's mine say? DUDE! What's mine say? SWEET!
[03:27] <genii> --noclose    rather
[03:27] <xenol> genii: www.google.com will make it? :)
[03:27] <draik> ernz: still embeded in the browser
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> ernz: I just downloaded the Flash9 Linux plugin file then unpacked the file and coppied the flash plugin to ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[03:28] <ernz> Draik: Nice. If you can play a WMV and SWF files, then it should be clear sailing.
[03:28] <genii> xenol 1 minute I'll find something useful for you
[03:28] <ernz> Linux_Galore...?
[03:28] <draik> ernz: thanks again
[03:28] <umalone> I've dual boot/grub question. If I reinstall wWindows XP on a dual-boot machine, how can I reinstall grub afterwards?
[03:28] <Jucato> !flash9
[03:28] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> enzo_: for swf support
[03:28] <xenol> genii: i wait and then go offline
[03:28] <mauro> woa
[03:28] <ernz> Draik: No probs. Hope it brings many hours of gaming and viewing pleasure.
[03:28] <mauro> its the second time today
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: that the new one
[03:28] <mauro> that linux completely froze nd i had to restart my machine
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: it not the original flash9 one but the new release
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> ie*
[03:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: beta 2, afaik
[03:29] <genii> xenol   http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: want on the repo when i last looked, easier now to to copy the plugin to the plugins folder for me
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> wasnt*
[03:30] <ernz> 0230 already!? I better get my ass to bed, I need to fit a new handbrake actuator rod, a new drum-brake assembly and fix the washer pump first thing. Today is gonna SUCK!
[03:30] <Jucato> yeah. it was just added last november afaik
[03:30] <xenol> genii:  thx
[03:30] <ernz> Laters all.
[03:30] <notech> mauro: the 3 most common reasons for a box to freeze is bad ram, heat, or flaky power supply
[03:30] <Jucato> or Dec
[03:31] <genii> xenol It should give you some idea anyhow :)
[03:31] <endo602> genii yah
[03:31] <endo602> but the terminal opens up too small
[03:31] <mauro> notech: ill try the mem test
[03:31] <endo602> can i change that?
[03:31] <genii> endo602 There are inline switches for terminal size etc as well
[03:31] <ernz> Before I leave, Mauro: I changed the positions of my memory modules on the MoBo, that fixed for me. - Out
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: there is a thing calle kubXtra that adds flash/java etc on kde-apps.org
[03:32] <endo602> do you know that sort of business
[03:32] <mauro> k
[03:32] <endo602> ?
[03:32] <genii> endo602 Searching now :)
[03:32] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hm... yeah, but if you have "official" methods... :)
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah but its a simple all in one UI tool
[03:33] <Jucato> as long as it installs in /home and doesn't cause a mess, it's ok, I guess
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah does a /home install
[03:33] <Jucato> that's a lot better than Automatix :)
[03:34] <genii_> Arg disconnects
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: adept is too confusing for newbies Im finding, kubextra is a simple tick box UI and installer
[03:34] <Jucato> +1 on Adept :)
[03:34] <genii> Crap how to kick my ghost name? LOL
[03:35] <genii> hangon got it
[03:35] <Jucato> genii: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password for that nick>
[03:35] <genii> endo 602 Something like konsole --vt_sz 80x40 --noclose -e /path/scriptname.sh
[03:36] <intelikey> so is there a good linux use for the fritz chip ?
[03:36] <enzo_> Linux_Galore: what is for swf support?
[03:36] <genii> Every time my roomie starts up his freakin MySpace the DSL chunks out..grrrrr
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: found something really nice today, it adds KDE like splash screens to many GTK apps http://www.jesusda.com/projects/splash/
[03:38] <Jucato> hmm.. nice...  although maybe KSplash can also be used for that
[03:38] <hatta> why would you want splash screens?
[03:38] <genii> Just curious...anyone compiling for ARM on i386 box?
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> hatta: to make the desktop look uniform
[03:38] <hatta> best way to do that would be to remove all the splash screens
[03:39] <hatta> they're pointless
[03:39] <intelikey> hatta aka ete candy
[03:39] <endo602> works like a charm
[03:39] <endo602> thanks so much
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> hatta: gtk apps usually have a dark grey or brown splay so doesnt fit into the default bluish theme for kde well
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> splash*
[03:39] <genii> endo602 Cool :)
[03:39] <Jucato> please don't decide for us what is pointless or not, specially when it comes to appearances/eye candy
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: even found some spannish guy who has re done all the icons for gaim/gimp and a few toher ktk apps to they look kde'ish
[03:41] <intelikey> who sees the "the default bluish theme for kde" more than on the initial launch of kde ???
[03:41] <hatta> hehe
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> gtk*
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> ever time I open gimp the icons looks wrong on kde
[03:41] <Jucato> I happen to like the default kde theme :P
[03:41] <Jucato> and switch back to it form time to time
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> now they look right at home
[03:41] <intelikey> :)
[03:42] <hatta> I like to get rid of all the gradients and bitmap backgrounds
[03:42] <genii> I don't care what my desktop looks like usually so long as what I need to access is easily found
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> see if i can find the home page with the icon theme stuff for gtk apps
[03:43] <intelikey> basic black is never out of style
[03:43] <genii> intelikey On all my windoze boxes thats how it's set :)
[03:44] <[Relic] > are there many photo album programs available?
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: here we go, kde icons in gtk apps -> http://www.jesusda.com/projects/pasodoble/
[03:45] <hatta> black is a little high contrast
[03:45] <hatta> any dark solid color is nice
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: the gimp stuff (down the page a bit) looks very nice
[03:46] <Jucato> er brb
[03:46] <genii> Somearcane question someone may know the answer: There a ttl monitor driver someplace? like hercules etc?
[03:46] <Jucato> ugh ants!!!
[03:46] <moskillz> hey can some one help me with this
[03:46] <moskillz> please
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: ask
[03:47] <moskillz> my screen resuloution got relly big and i dont know how to change it back
[03:47] <moskillz> im new to linux lol
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: run krandrtray
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: it allows you to change your resolution on the fly
[03:48] <moskillz> what would that be under in the start menue thing
[03:48] <intelikey> did you hit  [ctrl] +[alt] +[+]    ?
[03:49] <intelikey> genii hehhe yeah.
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: usually yes or you can run it in a terminal
[03:50] <moskillz> what one would it be under like utilities or office
[03:50] <moskillz> or what
[03:50] <intelikey> system settings ?
[03:51] <Linux_Galore> not sure my menu is so hacked up right now lol
[03:51] <moskillz> lol thank you much
[03:52] <crimson> i can't find any of the new plugins for the ktorrent 2.1beta1 anywhere, can anyone help?
[03:52] <Mace68> Another question... just need opinions. How much performance difference is there between an 32-bit and a 64-bit install of Kubuntu on an Athlon 64?
[03:53] <Linux_Galore>  crimson: try the home page?
[03:53] <moskillz> intelikey was right i cant even find it lol
[03:53] <Mace68> crimson: I had to compile from svn to get em.
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> crimson: also ktorrent has its own forum for questions and its own channel on this server
[03:54] <crimson> linux_galore: forum is down
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> crimson: on the home page ?
[03:54] <crimson> mace68: i am not familiar with svn
[03:54] <intelikey> moskillz alt+f2  type in    krandrtray
[03:54] <crimson> linux_galore: i didn't see the plugins there
[03:55] <Linux_Galore> crimson: yeah, there is a channel in the forum for plugins on the home page
[03:55] <genii> Crap my roomie must be on MySpace again
[03:55] <crimson> i am failing to reach the forums
[03:56] <crimson> it is having an error creating a new session
[03:56] <intelikey> hmmm odd it doesn't error or anything.   (krandrtray) that is.
[03:56] <moskillz> it still wont let me open it
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> crimson: ?? just use a browser
[03:56] <Mace68> crimson: http://ktorrent.org/index.php?page=faq question #3
[03:57] <crimson> linux_galore: i am using a browser
[03:57] <crimson> thanks mace68\
[03:57] <Mace68> yw :)
[03:57] <intelikey> moskillz at any rate there are docs on the wiki about rez
[03:57] <intelikey> !rez
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rez - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <moskillz> well it let me open it but it wont let me change it
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> crimson: aah the server is down
[03:57] <crimson> sweet, time to crack out the compiler
[03:59] <moskillz> ok well ill try to find something out thank you anyways
[03:59] <moskillz> later
[03:59] <Mace68> so, is the 64-bit performance increase worth the compatibility hassles?
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: at the moment no, in a year or so yes
[04:00] <Mace68> decisions decisions lol
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: it is faster but its a hassle
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> allot of stuff is still 32 bit
[04:01] <Mace68> does kubuntu have lib and lib64? or do i have to chroot for 32 bit?
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you can execute things as 32 bit still
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: just a hassle to setup the startup scripts for the the stuff you have to run in 32 bit mode
[04:03] <Mace68> i guess you won't be able to 'upgrade' from 32 bit to 64 bit at a later time, you'll have to reinstall instead, am i right?
[04:04] <family> !sound
[04:04] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: yep
[04:04] <Mace68> Thanks Linux_Galore I think i'll go for 64-bit then :)
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: that wont effect the config file though on /home
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Can I burn the Live CD From the live Cd?
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> in*
[04:05] <genii> DaSkreech Good question!
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yep
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: With k3b?
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yes, you have to out the iso on a hardisk though first if you only have one DVD_RW
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> s/out/put
[04:06] <mathieu> is it possible to have two screens of different size but still have my entire screen on my workspace?
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Hmm
 Mace68: that wont effect the config file though on /home <<< Thanks, that's good to know.
[04:06] <DaSkreech> I think that they are all NTFS hard drives
[04:06] <intelikey> shame one can't just dd if=file.iso of=/dev/burner
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: I use a thumb drive
[04:06] <family> Is anyone else having problems with accessing IRC with Konversation?  Mine is hanging with the message:   [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Pretty fat thumb drive :)
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech:   is dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech:   missed a bit
[04:07] <genii> If you have enough ram you could put the iso in a ramdisk
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech:   is dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1 filename.iso
[04:08] <ubuntu_> quelqu'un peut m'aider  installer kubuntu ?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Which language?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> French?
[04:08] <genii> !fr | ubuntu_
[04:08] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:08] <ubuntu_> okay
[04:08] <ubuntu_> i speak english if you want :D
 DaSkreech:   is dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1 filename.iso <<< what are you trying to do ???
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: copy the dvd to an iso on a thumb drive
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> or cd
[04:09] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I have someone who's Windows machine keeps rebooting as soon as the Windows XP screen comes up
[04:09] <genii> ubuntu_ You will likely get more help on a specific issue here in english than the french-specific channel
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: so they can burn it in k3b of the live cd
[04:10] <intelikey> Linux_Galore if=input file  of=outpur file
[04:10] <DaSkreech> She needs data from it and I'm thinking I can give her a Live CD to get her documents. Just wondering if I could burn the Live CD from the Live cd as I was using it
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yes
[04:10] <DaSkreech> since I don't have an OS to use
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: its an example of course
[04:12] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i'm just saying that  "dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1 filename.iso"  is not going to work.   "dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1/filename.iso"   would.
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I use it allot though with DVD/CD's burnt in windows with a broken multi session setup ie I copy the disks iso to my hardisk then mount it so i can see the missing files
[04:12] <intelikey> makes several assumption but given the right setup that would work.
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: aah yes sorry, no space needed
[04:13] <intelikey> sure.  was just saying " " != "/"
[04:14] <Linux_Galore>  dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1/filename.iso
[04:14] <intelikey> and it may have seemed a little incohearent seeing i'm lagging pretty bad.
[04:16] <DaSkreech> So short answer is not on the fly?
[04:16] <crimson> mace68: i got all the code but bash is saying "make" is not a command when i try to compile the code
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: not from the same disk you have to copy the iso first
[04:16] <family> jkgruet: Are you there?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> now I'm wondering if it makes sense at all :( Just realised that kubuntu doesn't auto mount the drives
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Maybe Knoppix...
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: take a 1Gb or bigger thumb drive
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: k3b can burn an iso (and create one)
[04:18] <genii> I would say if you have 2G ram make a 700whateversize ramdisk instead, much faster
[04:18] <intelikey> DaSkreech not likely on a live CD, if you have more than one cd tray    too much hang time.  an on the fly is likely to burp out a coster/frizby
[04:18] <ubuntu_> i speak english if i want and when i want okay
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Yup I know just ... don't have a thumb drive :-(
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yeah, just thinking it wont work with a single tray
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Wonder if I can do it on a iPod
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: No Double tray DVD RW and a CD RW
[04:19] <jkgruet> family: Yes
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yeah use the ipod to hold the iso, that will work
[04:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Someone told you not to speak english?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: Ok I'll try that then :)
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: ubuntu/kubuntu auto detects an ipod as a external mass storage device by default
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: take a spare cd burner just in case
[04:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:20] <crimson> does anyone know why the "make" command wouldn't be working in my terminal, and how to fix it?
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Now
[04:21] <Jucato> crimson: do you have build-essential installed? what error message are you getting?
[04:21] <intelikey> crimson ?
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> crimson: because ./configure failed
[04:22] <intelikey> !b-e
[04:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:22] <crimson> jucato: the error is "make: command not found" and i will see if build-essential is installed
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> crimson: if ./configure fails it doesnt create a "make" script
[04:22] <Jucato> you need "build-essential" then
[04:23] <crimson> linux_galore: i haven't done ./configure yet
[04:23] <intelikey> Linux_Galore you mean "Makefile"
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> crimson: you can run make till you have run ./configure
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: Im trying to be simple
[04:23] <intelikey> but the error says b-e is the answer
[04:23] <intelikey> !make
[04:23] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:24] <umalone> crimson: To check if you have make in your path, type: which make
[04:24] <Linux_Galore> cant*
[04:26] <intelikey> Linux_Galore but the error will be no path to make   or nothing to be done for make all      or something like that.    his error is  command not found meaning that the compiler is missing.
[04:26] <genii> no Makefile  usually produces something like "no target" not "command not found"  ... sounds like build-essential    etc needed
[04:26] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: aaah, as in even if he runs ./configure he hasnt got make anyway
[04:27] <intelikey> genii i'm just lagging too much... :)
[04:27] <intelikey> Linux_Galore correct.
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: there really needs to be a developer-tools  meta package
[04:27] <genii> intelikey You doin' alright :)
[04:28] <intelikey> Linux_Galore there is.   build-essential
[04:28] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: build-essential
[04:28] <Jucato> ugh lag!
[04:28] <intelikey> genii yes just heavy dl traffic for a slowdem connection
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: tried that but it seemed to not be complete
[04:29] <intelikey> Lag 14 sec jucato
[04:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: it contains what it name says: essential packages for building (compiling). other -dev/-devel stuff are not so essential
[04:29] <Jucato> intelikey: :(
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Wait
[04:31] <DaSkreech> What the heck?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> ok Never mind :)
[04:32] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i found it complete.  but any sorce may require special libs or headers    that's not the compilers fault   and no way to prepair for every possable compile time depentancy    one would have to install all existing source.... so they would be ready to install one source package.
[04:32] <DaSkreech> They have a md5sums.txt on the Cd :) I was wondering how you take the MD5 of a cd and PUT it on the CD
[04:32] <tamacracker> Hey guys, if kubuntu freezes, can I press anything that'll automatically restart X? or do I need to restart my machine like windows?
[04:32] <Jucato> tamacracker: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace restarts X
[04:32] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: you might be able to pres Alt+Ctrl=BkSp
[04:32] <foob> dont they just do one of the original iso they burn and they're all the same?
[04:32] <tamacracker> nah
[04:32] <tamacracker> doesn't work
[04:32] <tamacracker> alright
[04:32] <Jucato> tamacracker: or you could try killing the offending app?
[04:32] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: Assuming it's not a hard dfreeze
[04:33] <tamacracker> Jucato the whole machine freezes
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yeah bit it didnt install the kde stuff
[04:33] <Jucato> tamacracker: can you still go to tty?
[04:33] <tamacracker> so the mouse is useless
[04:33] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: can you press Alt+Ctrl+F1?
[04:33] <Jucato> ah no luck then...
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> but*
[04:33] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: why should it install the kde stuff as well? that's what the "kde-devel" metapackage is for
[04:33] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: if I have two machines I normally try to SSH in
[04:33] <tamacracker> SSH?
[04:33] <foob> secure shell
[04:33] <Jucato> Secure SHell
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: ooh maybe because Im on kubunty with a "K" so I build KDE apps
[04:33] <genii> secure shell
[04:34] <foob> secure shell
[04:34] <genii> darn too much lag LOL
[04:34] <foob> and now he'll never forget what it is
[04:34] <tamacracker> ah i see...
[04:34] <intelikey> tamacracker if the kernel is still responsive   [alt] +[SysRQ] +[ E,R,U,B ]   <-- any of those last four keys      i sujest trying in order  cause the last is reboot.
[04:35] <intelikey> mmmm is it B or N   ....
[04:35] <tamacracker> i see
[04:35] <foob> what's SysRQ
[04:35] <tamacracker> maybe B for boot? >.>
[04:35] <intelikey> one or the other.
[04:35] <tamacracker> the print screen button
[04:35] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: yes. that's why the KDE development files aren't included in build-essential. they're only essential to KDE users. but for basic compiling, build-essential covers it.
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: thats what Im saying. kubuntu need a kde meta dev package
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> needs*
[04:37] <intelikey> tamacracker yes the print screen button when alt is pressed is the SysRQ
[04:37] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: like I said, that's what "kde-devel" is for
[04:37] <tamacracker> yeah
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: hmm so install both
[04:38] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: yes. build-essential, in order to be able to compile, and kde-devel, to get the necessary headers and stuff
[04:38] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: you know why I find this annoying because on suse I just selected a dev option and 95% of my stuff compiles fine, not with kubuntu, im running around looking for these meta packages
[04:38] <intelikey> tamacracker E is to killall5   R is to reset the keyboard  U is to umount  or remount ro   so one can kill the system  and    seems like  N is for hard reset
[04:39] <intelikey> but it may be B
[04:39] <genii> will kde-dev install the kernel-headers etc?
[04:39] <intelikey> b
[04:39] <Jucato> genii: no. just the KDE headers
[04:39] <intelikey> bb
[04:39] <intelikey> bbbbBBb
[04:39] <dope> for some reason amarok won't auto recognize my ipod
[04:39] <genii> thx Jucato
[04:39] <tamacracker> understood
[04:39] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: suse has a different package management system, and 10.2 has a new system called "patterns"
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> dope  dont plug the ipod in till the desktop is up
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: Im saying the dev stuff is too scattered in ubuntu
[04:40] <dope> it says media/ipod is locked
[04:41] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: it's how the metapackages are setup in Debian
[04:41] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Why is it called Sysrq?
[04:41] <Jucato> at least for the -devel stuff
[04:41] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: not all of us are on dial up and we want the kitchen sink
[04:42] <intelikey> System ReQuest   dirrect kernel access
[04:42] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: I'm sure the Debian devs have a reason for that. maybe you could also ask in #ubuntu-motu if there's like a "one -devel package to rule them all)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> intelikey: PrintScreen?
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: because Debian decides that firefox is too commercial and shouldn't be used are you know inferring ubuntu follows
[04:43] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: no. but in most cases Ubuntu follows Debian's packaging, if you haven't noticed
[04:43] <intelikey> same nomenclature as  IRQ interrupt request
[04:43] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes I know, but Debian doesnt always get it right
[04:43] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes.
[04:43] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: true. but they also don't always get it wrong either :)
[04:44] <Jucato> anyway, packaging concerns/discussion are more appropriate in #ubuntu-motu, specially since kde-devel is a universe package
[04:45] <dope> how do i eject the ipod?
 Jucato: because Debian decides that firefox is too commercial and shouldn't be used are you know inferring ubuntu follows <<< it may well be that ff will become part of the TCG and if so it will most surely be too commercial for ubuntu or any other linux.
[04:46] <Nuked> Linux_Galore: you feel that ubuntu shouldnt follow debian on this one?
[04:46] <dope> ok got it
[04:46] <flaccid> TCG?
[04:46] <Jucato> TCG?
[04:46] <flaccid> it would be absolutely stupid to remove ff from ubuntu
[04:46] <Jucato> intelikey: not really, all Ubuntu would need to do would be to relocated firefox to restricted or the commercial repos
[04:46] <intelikey> trusted computing froup
[04:47] <intelikey> group
[04:47] <flaccid> wtf
[04:47] <intelikey> look it up.
[04:47] <flaccid> why are they doing that
[04:47] <flaccid> TC is evil!!
[04:47] <Jucato> as long as FF remains with an open source compatible license, it's still open source
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> Nuked: no
[04:47] <intelikey> no anything TC would be about as anti-linux as you can get.
[04:48] <genii> open source is open source and should stay in. Especially GNU license
[04:48] <Jucato> I use Konqueror.. so I'm not worried much..
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Night guys!
[04:48] <Linux_Galore> Nuked: its dumb and I often find debian ideals don't reflect commercial realities
[04:48] <flaccid> intelikey: i tried to look it up. can't find anything.
[04:48] <intelikey> flaccid i didn't say they were doing that.  just bring to the attention that they "may" at some point.
[04:48] <Jucato> it may... but it's probably too late for them since their code is already open
[04:48] <flaccid> intelikey: where is your evidence?
[04:49] <Jucato> anything they do to piss off the FOSS community will just result in a fork... like Iceweasel
[04:49] <flaccid> i don't see how ff would go in there considering m$ being a head player. wouldn't happen...
[04:49] <Nuked> Linux_Galore: it seems more as a "to each his own" situation... if they want iceweasel then by all means... perhaps they are trying to make a point
[04:49] <Jucato> ugh anyway guys... this is getting -offtopic
[04:49] <intelikey> evidence  ?
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> Nuked: to me its sounds more like a child complaining they they cant get a set toy in a set colour
[04:50] <Nuked> ha
[04:50] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:50] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah not good to make a rumour like that
[04:50] <soulrider> guys, i tried twice to burn a couple of DVD images, but i get some IO Error and linux just freezes
[04:50] <soulrider> theres nothing i can do except reboot
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: what are you using to burn the dvd's
[04:50] <soulrider> k3b
[04:50] <soulrider> my computer froze like 4 times today
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: did you run the setup script
[04:50] <soulrider> 2 while i got the io error
[04:51] <foob> kbuntu is compiled for sysrq by default?
[04:51] <soulrider> setup script ?
[04:51] <soulrider> i hope theres nothing wrong with my hardware
[04:51] <Linux_Galore> soulrider:sudo k3bsetup
[04:51] <intelikey> flaccid hypothasees need no evidence    you must have missed the things that lead to that.     any software "might" go TCG and thus be too comerical for linux.
[04:51] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i get an error
[04:52] <soulrider> kcmshell: cant connect to x server
[04:52] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: ?
[04:52] <soulrider> when i run that command
[04:52] <intelikey> i was pointing out that if debian moves something out of it's "open" line up then ubuntu may of necessity have to also    depending on the "reason" for the move.
[04:53] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: just run kdesu k3bsetup
[04:53] <intelikey> i know that my lag time may make the less cohearant on your screen than mine.  sorry for that confussion.
[04:53] <flaccid> microsoft might bomb the pentagon
[04:54] <Jucato> *coughs*
[04:54] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: done
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: double check the drive, it may be set too fast
[04:54] <intelikey> there ya go. flaccid
[04:54] <flaccid> also its possible that linus is a woman
[04:54] <flaccid> intelikey: doesn't make it right...
[04:54] <intelikey> flaccid but what should i tie that statement too ?
[04:54] <intelikey> :)
[04:54] <flaccid> hypothesis
[04:55] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: my computer also froze why not trying to burn anything
[04:55] <soulrider> and with k3b it froze before starting to burn
[04:55] <Nuked> intelikey: do you feel that debian is just trying to protect itself from becoming "overcommercialized" ?
[04:55] <flaccid> its a matter of interpretation
[04:55] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: aaah, then you have another issue
[04:55] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: any ideas /
[04:55] <soulrider> i checked my RAM and its ok
[04:56] <soulrider> my comp isnt overheating either
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: if the machine feels laggy look in ksysguard  see whats chewing up resources and then kill it then just disable it from starting in kcontrol
[04:56] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: its not laggy
[04:56] <soulrider> it just sudenly freezes
[04:56] <soulrider> and stays that way
[04:56] <soulrider> i thought it was my other hard drive
[04:56] <soulrider> disconnected it
[04:56] <soulrider> but no change
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: aaah, check the logs in /var/logs
[04:57] <intelikey> Nuked i don't know.  but i do know that debian is somewhat of a "purest" mentality,   if they think something might be moving in the wrong dirrection, freedom is top shelf to them.
[04:58] <genii> If speed settings jibe with what the drive is capable ofdoing it conceivable could be a bum DVD I get about 3 in a hundred spindle bad from factory
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: when why doesnt Debian then shift to the BSD license because thats "is really free"
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> then*
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> GPL != Free
[04:58] <soulrider> could it be knetworkmanager crashing ym system ?
[04:58] <genii> I like GNU license but BSD is more practical
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: I usually disable stuff, could also be because of beryl or you have some special effects running that are crashing
[04:59] <Nuked> intelikey: thats not necessarily a bad thing, however their real problem is their elitist mentality. I think they should work on that before forking things
[04:59] <NeoChaosX> L_G: Debian believes in the GNU interpretation of freedom
[04:59] <soulrider> nothing
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> NeoChaosX: otherwise "restricted terms of freedom as deemed by GNU"
[05:00] <genii> soulrider Is this some Acer dvd writer by any chance?
[05:00] <soulrider> hda: timeout waiting for DMA   ~ thats the last line before a restart, hda is my cd drive
[05:00] <intelikey> really free ?      freedom doesn't nessarily mean no restriction at all.  for that generally tends to a tiranical empire   one thugh takes over.     but we are off topic
[05:00] <soulrider> genii: its a Sony drive
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: does with BSD
[05:00] <NeoChaosX> Oh, hm. Mind linking me to whatever started this debate?
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> just people often wave "free/freedom" around but they dont really grasp the concept
[05:01] <genii> soulrider Looks like some mis-assignment with Direct Memory Access.
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> as soon as you "start" dictating terms you dont have the right to use the term "freedom"
[05:02] <soulrider> genii: that bad? =/
[05:02] <genii> soulrider Many things could be causing it, not neccesarily bad
[05:02] <Jucato> guys, again, please. #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:03] <soulrider> argh, im getting mad, IM GOING BACK TO WINDOWS XP!
[05:03] <soulrider> just kidding :P
[05:03] <Norty> Wouldn't WinXP make your problems worse?
[05:03] <genii> soulrider Some possible causes I know about: HD is slower dma eg:33 or 66    than IDE is (perhaps 100 or 133) but kernel is loading with some parameter making bus speed the one to try
[05:04] <intelikey> NeoChaosX i think it may have been my high lag time that started it actually.      i said something in responce to something else (long sense forgotten)  but my post showed up late and because it wasn't benieth it's parent thought, it caught some bad attention and exploded into chaos  or freedom  depending on which side of the thing you stood on  :)
[05:04] <soulrider> its a SCSI drive
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: look at the look and feel section in kcontrol, there are some things they warn not to enable because they may cause instability, ie gradient transparent menu's caused my system to crash before every 4 minutes
[05:04] <soulrider> genii: k3b allways worked gine
[05:04] <soulrider> but it just crashed me twice today
[05:04] <genii> soulrider If SCSI then check the host adapter bios and make sure settings are *nix friendly if possible
[05:05] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i have everything disabled
[05:05] <soulrider> genii: in six months of using linux, i never had a problem with the settings
[05:05] <genii> Also endpoint ermination causes a *lot* of issues if not set right
[05:06] <genii> soulrider Did you recently add another drive somewhere ?
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: hmm could be a hardisk error or something that was changed around that time
[05:06] <soulrider> genii: no
[05:06] <soulrider> im gonna attempt to burn again
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: boot up a live CD and see if it crashes
 Also endpoint ermination causes a *lot* of issues if not set right  <<< most cards can be set to auto-terminate   fixes most of that.
[05:06] <soulrider> if you see "mauro" login, thats me :P
[05:07] <soulrider> cd is spinning...
[05:08] <soulrider> whats weird is that after it crashes
[05:08] <soulrider> i can open the cd drive....
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: I had a machine recently randomly crashing, put a live CD in the thing and it crashed a few hours later, turned out to be a ram io problem
[05:08] <genii> intelikey I find I have to set to terminate:yes  instead of auto most times, especially on 2940 29160   series etc
[05:08] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i checked my ram with the live cd
[05:08] <soulrider> it didnt finish, but reported no errors, ill leave it overnight
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: leave it running for a while
[05:08] <soulrider> its burning now....
[05:08] <soulrider> leave the CD running ?
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: no the machine
[05:09] <soulrider> but using the live CD
[05:09] <soulrider> i mean
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> yes
[05:09] <soulrider> my computer NEVER turns off
[05:09] <intelikey> ewh 2940     aic7*
[05:09] <genii> And for some reason setting term  jumper on many Seagate SCSI endpoint drives doesn't take, need a hardware terminator on the cable
[05:09] <soulrider> and eveyr time it crashed i was using it
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: if it crashes with the live cd you have a hardware issue if not you have an corruption issue
[05:10] <soulrider> could it be, that a hard drive is on my ide cable
[05:10] <flaccid> man its so hot in my office i need to go home and get a fan
[05:10] <soulrider> but its not connected to the power suply ?
[05:10] <flaccid> bbs
[05:10] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: how do i fix a corruption error ?
[05:10] <genii> fsck
[05:10] <genii> (usually)
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: well with hardisk you can run fsck or what I usually do first is replace or clean the IDE cable
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> then run fsck
[05:11] <genii> He has SCSI I think :)
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> yes IDE cables to fail
[05:11] <thechris> is there a good kde replacement for synaptic?
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> scsi too
[05:11] <thechris> other then adept-installer?
[05:11] <zerozero> thechris: apt
[05:11] <Norty> the chris  adept
[05:11] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: ill levae hte live CD overnight
[05:12] <soulrider> Jucato: you here ?
[05:12] <thechris> adpet is buggy
[05:12] <genii> soulrider At any rate it appears to be some hardware issue
[05:12] <Jucato> soulrider: yes
[05:13] <Jucato> thechris: you can always use Synaptic if you want
[05:13] <soulrider> Jucato: sorry about yesterday, today i remembered you were from the phillipines, NOT india
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> thechris: have you been running dpkg --configure -a just to make sure the updates are all done
[05:13] <Jucato> soulrider: hehe no problem
[05:13] <intelikey> genii  "Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter"   have set things all sorts of ways and never one scsi related problem   but i only have a few drives on it.    seagate cheetas  and a matshita burner.
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> thechris: adept some times doesnt get the install script completed and jams up
[05:13] <thechris> Linux_Galore: this is a new install.  i decided to give kubuntu another try.  apdet was buggy 10 months ago, and the same bugs are still here
[05:13] <soulrider> ima ctually making room on my HD
[05:13] <soulrider> for windows XP
[05:13] <soulrider> i need some games...
[05:14] <soulrider> i feel like a slut, but oh well
[05:14] <Norty> thechris: what kind of "bug"
[05:14] <Norty> s?
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> thechris: I have no issues with adept and I run a network of the things
[05:14] <thechris> Norty: install firefox.  success.  click on adept, adept dies.  adept also only starts half of the time, I always need to re-click the icon.
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> thechris: this in dapper ?
[05:15] <thechris> 6.10
[05:15] <genii> intelikey I have a 29160N in this box with some ultra320 drives and it took a while to get setup properly under linux. adaptec bios was seeing all drives properly etc andI had to put some safe settings in therefor PNP etc and a physical terminator on the ribbon end
[05:15] <intelikey> genii i only mentioned that because you named it and i knew it was in the running box.
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> thechris: I had that in dapper but not edgy
[05:16] <thechris> Linux_Galore: it was in 6.10, and the one before 6.06
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> thechris: I found dpkg --configure -a  fixed it most times
[05:16] <intelikey> yes now the ultra320s do seem harder to play with.
[05:16] <Jucato> "sudo dpkg --configure -a" or "sudo apt-get -f install" usually fixes things
[05:17] <genii> intelikey Have it set up nice now as raid5 :)
[05:17] <intelikey> raid 5....
[05:18] <intelikey> ;/
[05:18] <genii> intelikey Yeah I have 8 36Gb U320 all matched Seagates. I have 2 raid 5, one for my FBSD 6.1 and 1 for my Ubuntu
[05:19] <genii> sets of 3 with 1 spare on each
[05:19] <soulrider> im gonna try and burn anothe rDVD
[05:19] <genii> I'm a freak for redundancy
[05:20] <ubuntu> hello all
[05:21] <genii> intelikey heh!
[05:21] <Jucato> s/abdocates/abdicates/
[05:21] <ubuntu> hello all
[05:21] <thechris> is there anything kubuntu specific for playing mp3s?  i know there is a guide for this in ubuntu
[05:22] <intelikey> oi   io
[05:22] <genii> intelikey The only issue is it sounds like an F16 trying to take off when I boot up which can be hell when you have hangovers
[05:22] <Jucato> thechris: amarok
[05:23] <Dr_willis> thechris,  the Kubuntu faq has some details on mp3 ussage in various programs.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> worth checking and bookmarking. :)
[05:23] <intelikey> thechris see vlc also
[05:23] <Dr_willis> i always have to refer to it on a new kubuntu install - to remond me of some pacakges to install.
[05:24] <intelikey> but i'm gonna point back at the problem    MP3  means   pay us for using it.      why not use free formats?
[05:25] <genii> flacc
[05:25] <genii> ogg  and so on
[05:25] <intelikey> !mp3
[05:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:25] <intelikey>           - But please use free formats if you can:
[05:25] <intelikey> and you can.
[05:26] <genii> Someone needs to make an   all2flacc   LOL
[05:26] <intelikey> believe me you can.
[05:28] <genii> My only prob with ogg is my standalone cd player only knows about mp3
[05:28] <intelikey> it doesn't play cdA ?
[05:28] <genii> So I sometimes need to convert to it for burning. But on the puter I just use ogg etc
[05:29] <stdin> I just take my portable media device with me (notice the non use of the term "mp3 player")
[05:29] <genii> Well you can put way more mp3 than cdda on a cd
[05:29] <intelikey> you can burn from ogg to cdA      errr i think.
[05:29] <thechris> do i need libdvdcss2 to watch DVDs?
[05:29] <genii> thechris Yes
[05:29] <Dr_willis> only protected ones. :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> so for most comercial dvd's yes..
[05:30] <intelikey> genii yes.  you can put tons of .ogg on a cd
[05:30] <ubuntu> hello intelikey
[05:30] <genii> intelikey The only prob is my cd player doen't understand that format :( I wish like hell it did
[05:30] <intelikey> ubuntu
[05:30] <ubuntu> ?
[05:31] <ubuntu> intelikey:  how are you girl ?
[05:31] <intelikey> i'm lagging pretty badly still
[05:31] <intelikey> girl ?
[05:31] <pwn4tt4ck> intelikey is a girl?
[05:31] <ubuntu> :)
[05:31] <Jucato> lol
[05:32] <genii> Does it matter boy or girl? I think not
[05:32] <pwn4tt4ck> I think it does
[05:32] <pwn4tt4ck> being as I'm a woman hater
[05:32] <osiris> anyone know if its possible to use gkrellm to monitor a remote pc, like a webserver ?
[05:32] <pwn4tt4ck> jk about that, I love women -- but they shouldn't get equal pay
[05:32] <we6jbo> hi
[05:32] <intelikey> genii did no one tell you about the birds and the bees?
[05:33] <pwn4tt4ck> hey we6jbo
[05:33] <ubuntu> yes
[05:33] <ubuntu> a sexy girl
[05:33] <pwn4tt4ck> SERIOUS TECHNICAL QUESTION: who else hates shaving?
[05:34] <genii> intelikey LOL What I mean is that since here in cyberspace it doesn't matter what sex we are, etc
[05:34] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: im gonna burn another DVD and see if i crash
[05:34] <Dr_willis> pwn4tt4ck,  with that 5 blade razor i got the other day.. its not too bad. :)
[05:34] <genii> soulrider You are one glutton fer punishment
[05:34] <soulrider> genii:  ?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> if i use a cheap disposible... it looke like i am trying to  commit suicide...
[05:35] <soulrider> Dr_willis: i use one of those electric shavers
[05:35] <genii> soulrider Well, since you must have a stack of coasters by now
 intelikey LOL What I mean is that since here in cyberspace it doesn't matter what sex we are, etc  <<<< i see how genii is trained to think.....   8[
[05:35] <soulrider> not really
[05:36] <Dr_willis> electrics just seem to give me a rash.. i only shave once a month or so anyway. :)
[05:36] <pwn4tt4ck> Dr_willis: the fusion? that cuts me all the hell up :\
[05:36] <soulrider> Dr_willis: im too lazy to shave lol
[05:36] <soulrider> lol, this is like major offtopic
[05:36] <Dr_willis> pwn4tt4ck,  i got one in the mail the other day.. has a 'back' blade also for tricky places. :)
[05:36] <genii> <-- shaves for weddings, funerals   and trims when mustache starts interfering with food intake
[05:36] <soulrider> genii: its burning :)
[05:36] <pwn4tt4ck> Dr_willis: I never use the back blade, doesnt work :\  I prefer the mach3 by gillette
[05:37] <Dr_willis> I let my beard grow.. and its so sparce its looks like im 'shaggy' on scooby doo.
[05:37] <soulrider> lol Dr_willis
[05:37] <soulrider> i look like woverine =/
[05:37] <genii> soulrider Cool :) What changes if any did you make?
[05:37] <soulrider> just take the calws and the muscles :P
[05:37] <soulrider> no changes lol
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i can let it grow for 7 moths and i look like a man with ... a patchy beard...
[05:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:37] <soulrider> i think knetwork manager might be behind all this
[05:37] <soulrider> my beard doesnt have a shape either
[05:37] <soulrider> actually
[05:38] <genii> coulda just been a bad dvd then. Like I said earlier I see on average about 3 in a 100 spindle
[05:38] <soulrider> its really weird
[05:38] <soulrider> i look like one of those 70s guys with massive sideburns
[05:38] <soulrider> genii: i never waste a disk
[05:38] <soulrider> after a crash
[05:38] <soulrider> i allways tried with the same disc lol
[05:38] <soulrider> but the thing is
[05:38] <soulrider> my comp crashed also while not trying to burn anything
[05:39] <soulrider> thats whats scarying me
[05:39] <genii> I look like Shaggy cept longer hair and beard :) And a bit grey now that I'm gettin to be a geezer
[05:39] <soulrider> lol
[05:39] <soulrider> intelikey: i kind of agree with geniiwith the "you dont know who youre talking to, male female or alien" statement
[05:39] <Dr_willis> My brothers Girlfriends's little girl was very shy... but she ran right up to me the other day... she thought i WAS Shaggy... asked me where 'Scooby was at?'
[05:40] <soulrider> LOOOOL
[05:40] <genii> soulrider Well, so you should do at least some basic diagnostics, like run memtest for a few hours to see if ram is going, fsck the HD etc
[05:40] <Dr_willis> told her the Pomerinian i had was Scrappy Doo...
[05:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:40] <intelikey> soulrider you would.
[05:40] <intelikey> soulrider not a studant of human nature are you ?
[05:40] <soulrider> no
[05:40] <soulrider> i study computer engineering :P
[05:40] <ubuntu> re
[05:41] <thechris> anyone remember the name of that gtk-qt theme engine thing?
[05:41] <genii> oulrider i like ya already ya freak :)
[05:41] <genii> ROFL
[05:41] <Jucato> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !find gtk-qt
[05:41] <ubotu> Found: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[05:41] <ubuntu> there are geeks ?
[05:41] <thechris> ah
[05:41] <genii> no, geeks eat live animals. I'm a freak
[05:41] <soulrider> but i think its cool, that since you dont know who youre talking to, you end up treating people the way you normally would with anyone
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Greeks?
[05:41] <soulrider> for all you know, i could bea  drag-queen
[05:41] <Dr_willis> they eat... err.. those gyros right? Yumm!
[05:42] <genii> soulrider So long as your bra fits go for it if it makes ya happy
[05:42] <soulrider> i eat floppy drives
[05:42] <intelikey> soulrider  computious say "programmer that know computer have very strange sex life"
[05:42] <soulrider> lol
[05:42] <soulrider> some of us do, yeah
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Gyros... Yumm... man. the last Gyros place in town shut down the other day also. :(
[05:42] <soulrider> whats a gyro ?
[05:42] <genii> ntelikey I was raised on the Mushroom Theory
[05:42] <ubuntu> genii the geek :D
[05:42] <soulrider> mushroom theory ?
[05:43] <Theory> llama llama duck
[05:43] <genii> ubuntu No no geeks eat live animals. I'm a freak
[05:43] <soulrider> as in, magic mushroom, 1 up mushroom or hallucination mushroom? :P
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Its a greek sandwich.. sort of shaped like a Taco, only with a spicy lamb/beef/peppery meat. and a creamy/cucumber sauce.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> and on Pita bread.
[05:43] <soulrider> nice Dr_willisalthough i hate spicy things
[05:43] <Dr_willis> its more of a black pepper spice.. not a hot-mexican/tai spice
[05:43] <soulrider> onq
[05:43] <soulrider> oops
[05:44] <soulrider> yeha
[05:44] <genii> mushroom theory: Lock up programmer in dark place. Feed lots of crap. Something good grows
[05:44] <soulrider> i hate pepper too :P
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Pepper owns! :)
[05:44] <soulrider> lol genii
[05:44] <soulrider> lol
[05:45] <genii> Dr_willis I empathise, I really really do
[05:45] <intelikey> spice is the spice of life
[05:45] <intelikey> or maybe not.
[05:45] <ubuntu> lol genii
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Been Living on Bannannas and pudding lately. :)
[05:46] <soulrider> i liuke the spice melange (will only make sense to those who have read Dune)
[05:46] <soulrider> Dr_willis: bananas and cie cream...  yumiiiiii
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Bannanna Ice Cream
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:46] <genii> Dr_willis I had a bad bleeding ulcer when I worked for a big nameless corporate place. I think I lived on nutrition shakes for a year after that
[05:46] <soulrider> i dont like that that much :P
[05:46] <thechris> i thought the gtk2-engine-gtk-qt was supposed to get rid of the gtk dialogs in kde
[05:47] <intelikey> soulrider or saw the flic
[05:47] <Dr_willis> i thought it  allowed you to share gtk/qt themes so the apps looks the same...
[05:47] <soulrider> intelikey: the movies arent too good
[05:47] <thechris> Dr_willis: hmm, maybe it was kgtk that changed the dialogs.  i can't stand gtk dialogs
[05:48] <thechris> and of course, no kgtk packages
[05:48] <intelikey> didn't say that.  jsut that i never read the book and caught the spice comment
[05:48] <intelikey> @ soulrider
[05:48] <soulrider> ok
[05:48] <soulrider> i want a gaming console
[05:48] <soulrider> im kinda tired of my NES
[05:49] <genii> I hear Wii  are fun :)
[05:49] <soulrider> ye
[05:49] <soulrider> si want a wii
[05:49] <genii> I wonder if someone will hack them for linux
[05:49] <soulrider> although they will probably never sell them here
[05:49] <soulrider> or sell them for around $600 like they did with the gamecube
[05:49] <soulrider> or $700 like the ps2
[05:49] <soulrider> genii: theres a project alled wiili
[05:50] <ubuntu> i am a geek
[05:50] <genii> very cool :) There was some freak before who built XBox clusters
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i thought the wii was running linux...
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i forget where i saw that at however...
[05:50] <intelikey> hi geek i'm an indian
[05:51] <soulrider> intelikey: youre indian ?
[05:51] <intelikey> genii can i have a chicken too ?
[05:51] <genii> Sorry just one of my pet peeves. Geek is a term from the circus, it's the guy who eats live animals
[05:51] <intelikey> only when im not jewish soulrider
[05:51] <genii> geek = bad freak = good    etc
[05:52] <soulrider> intelikey:  youre in texas! :P
[05:52] <intelikey> !botsnack
[05:52] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:52] <genii> heh!
[05:53] <intelikey> soulrider no.  but i'm a texan if it makes you feel better
[05:53] <genii> I wonder what ubotu diet consists of
[05:53] <stdin> i'm still waiting for the botsmack command
[05:53] <ubuntu> non the chicken is for me :D
[05:53] <genii> is that anything like godsmack?
[05:53] <stdin> more like a bitchslap :P
[05:53] <soulrider> ubotu eats users that dont RTFM :P
 i'm still waiting for the botsmack command ^^^<ubotu> Yum!
[05:54] <soulrider> and he diecides to tlak to me....
[05:54] <genii> !yum
[05:54] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[05:54] <soulrider> he said
[05:54] <soulrider> botsMack
[05:54] <soulrider> !smack
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <genii> I guess he doesn't have a drug habit yet :)
[05:55] <soulrider> !my mom
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about my mom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <flaccid> !pipe
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pipe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <flaccid> !find pipe
[05:55] <intelikey> no !botsnack   yeilds <ubotu> Yum!
[05:55] <ubotu> Found: aespipe, cl-pipes, courier-authlib-pipe, cpipe, libvanessa-socket-pipe (and 9 others)
[05:55] <flaccid> hes got lots of pipes
[05:55] <flaccid> i think hes hiding something
[05:55] <genii> ubotu is moonlighting as a plumber
[05:55] <flaccid> ah thats the laundering
[05:56] <intelikey> ubotu error | ubotu
[05:56] <ubotu> ubotu: Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Hi guys
[05:56] <genii> I wonder if he can execute other things... like !ping
[05:56] <soulrider> hi DaSkreech
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Why is ubotu talking to it self?
[05:56] <soulrider> lol
[05:56] <soulrider> hes feeling alone
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Better than feeling me :)
[05:57] <soulrider> !being loved
[05:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being loved - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <intelikey> lol
[05:57] <soulrider> see, hes lonely the poor bot!
[05:57] <genii> I'd vote for that
[05:57] <DaSkreech> How do I unmount a device that keeps assuming it's busy?
[05:57] <soulrider> reboot :P
[05:57] <soulrider> that works for me
[05:57] <genii> For those frustrating times he has no good answers 5 times in a row
[05:57] <soulrider> and windows users
[05:58] <intelikey> DaSkreech sudo eject   it
[05:58] <genii> DaSkreech First make sure you are not sitting some program in a subdir of the place you want to unmount
[05:58] <DaSkreech> intelikey: By Device I mean a hard drive
[05:58] <genii> eg: /mnt/cdrom$ umount /cdrom
[05:59] <DaSkreech> genii: I've locked down everything but KDE
[05:59] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes.
[05:59] <genii> yeah eject -t   works
[05:59] <soulrider> yesterday i did something funny, and it didnt crash my PC. I uninstalled XFCE while using it
[05:59] <soulrider> it was cool
[05:59] <soulrider> linux is cool
[05:59] <intelikey> why close the tray ???
[06:00] <intelikey> makes a good cup holder
[06:00] <thechris> how do i install a .deb file?
[06:00] <genii> t means open the tray if it's closed, close the tray if it's open
[06:00] <stdin> !deb
[06:00] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[06:01] <thechris> ok, that worked, but the package isn't installed
[06:01] <genii> thechris dpkg -i /thepath/t/thedebfile.deb
[06:01] <intelikey> soulrider i have rm'd / while in mc   and no crash
[06:01] <DaSkreech> thechris: How do you know?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> hmm
[06:01] <thechris> DaSkreech: the app should have install kgtk-wrapper.sh
[06:01] <intelikey> it does look odd to be in a file manager on a blank drive that used to be the os   though
[06:01] <DaSkreech> when I try to ls a folder on this mounted device it seems to hang
[06:02] <thechris> the default would be /usr/local/bin, or some /bin
[06:02] <DaSkreech> thechris: how did you install it?
[06:02] <thechris> but which shows no kgtk-wrapper.sh
[06:02] <soulrider> ok guys
[06:02] <soulrider> its 3 am
[06:02] <soulrider> im going to bed
[06:02] <soulrider> see you!!
[06:02] <genii> soulrider Sweet dreams :)
[06:02] <thechris> DaSkreech: using konqueror, then again just now with dpkg -i
[06:02] <stdin> hah, it's 5am here
[06:03] <genii> midnight here
[06:03] <DaSkreech> thechris: What's the name of the package?
[06:03] <intelikey> of all the bleedin' places to live
[06:03] <thechris> kgtk-0.8-1-amd64.deb
[06:04] <DaSkreech> And that's the only package that's needed?
[06:05] <genii> crap can't recall the listdeps switch
[06:05] <intelikey> estimated time to stop lagging 15 minutes
[06:05] <ubuntu> re
[06:05] <thechris> DaSkreech: according to the deb
[06:05] <stdin> DaSkreech: it's just a script with some LD_PRELOAD stuff, it only depends on kde
[06:05] <intelikey> downloading cd's on dialup is slow.
[06:05] <intelikey> genii dpkg -l
[06:06] <fiendskull9> hey
[06:06] <fiendskull9> how do i turn off the bouncing icon that is triggered when i launch a program?
[06:06] <intelikey> genii dpkg -l | grep package-name      or dpkg -L package-name
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Launch notification
[06:06] <genii> intelikey Yes. I d/l one time an iso over 9600 , took from Dec 27 to Jan 3
[06:07] <thechris> DaSkreech: ok, i found it.  the file was renamed and moved.
[06:07] <intelikey> the first lists all installed and parses for a name the second lists the installed content of the package
[06:07] <DaSkreech> thechris: Where to?
[06:07] <ubuntu> *
[06:07] <thechris> from usr/local/bin to /usr/bin, and the .sh was removed
[06:07] <fiendskull9> DaSkreech: where do i disable launch notification?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> OK going to try a quick reboot
[06:08] <DaSkreech> <read as restart X>
[06:08] <ubuntu> re
[06:08] <ubuntu> there is any somebody ?
[06:08] <intelikey> take your time. do a full reboot
[06:08] <intelikey> heh
[06:09] <thechris> oh, gtk...
[06:09] <thechris> ** (.:8854): CRITICAL **: gtk_pizza_set_size: assertion `pizza != NULL' failed
[06:09] <ubuntu> is there*
[06:09] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[06:09] <DaSkreech> !ask
[06:09] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:10] <we6jbo_> Is there a way to run a server
[06:10] <we6jbo_> umm
[06:10] <we6jbo_> a news server
[06:10] <DaSkreech> shortanswer is yes :)
[06:10] <genii> !nntpd
[06:10] <we6jbo_> what's that called a news server
[06:10] <thechris> hmm, kgtk and vlc don't work together.
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nntpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <genii> you lie ubotu! LOL
[06:10] <we6jbo_> ya NNTP
[06:10] <we6jbo_> How do you run that?
[06:10] <pwn4tt4ck> is serious technical discussion going on?
[06:11] <we6jbo_> ya
[06:11] <we6jbo_> I want to run a NNTP server
[06:11] <pwn4tt4ck> k I'll go to offtopic :D
[06:11] <DaSkreech> we6jbo_: Try nntpd :)
[06:11] <pwn4tt4ck> what is nntp?
[06:11] <genii> we6jbo Try to find the package you need by:   apt-cache search nntpd
[06:11] <we6jbo_> Does one come with Ubuntu?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> pwn4tt4ck: network news transmission Protocol afair
[06:11] <ubuntu> the chrios ?
[06:11] <ubuntu> what ?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Eh?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> huh?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:12] <intelikey> nntp - An NNTP server for use with C News
[06:12] <we6jbo_> pwn4tt4ck, NNTP allows you to run news servers that you connect to with a program such as outlook
[06:12] <ubuntu> what do you want ?
[06:12] <intelikey> no 'd' genii
[06:12] <genii> intelikey My *bsd habits poking thru :)
[06:12] <pwn4tt4ck> oh ok
[06:13] <intelikey> sn - Small NNTP server for leaf sites
[06:14] <genii> bah leaf is a pita
[06:14] <DaSkreech> k3b won't burn CDs :(
[06:15] <we6jbo_> what's sn?
[06:16] <ubuntu> tall not small
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: audio cds from mp3s, or any cds?
[06:16] <intelikey> python-twisted-news - An NNTP protocol implementation with client and server
[06:16] <intelikey> python2.4-twisted-news - An NNTP protocol implementation with client and server
[06:16] <genii> python is good :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Right now any. I'm trying to see if it's the CD Drive
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> not sure then
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Grr Plan D
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> tried gnomebaker?
[06:16] <ubuntu> php not python
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> not pleasant
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> but workable
[06:17] <intelikey> do it with snake oil !
[06:17] <genii> buntu It's all good including perl
 python is good :)  <intelikey> do it with snake oil !
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> yes yes, i caught that :P
[06:17] <genii> intelikey LOL
[06:17] <intelikey> ruby
[06:18] <intelikey> perl
[06:18] <intelikey> emerald
[06:18] <intelikey> diamond
[06:18] <Pupeno_> There's a maximum length in file names ? I can't belive it...
[06:18] <genii> Also a limit of directory depth
[06:19] <stdin> depends on the filesystem tho
[06:19] <intelikey> yes there is
[06:19] <intelikey> and limit to command line length
[06:19] <genii> I usually hit the dir depth wall before the filename length wall tho
[06:20] <Pupeno_> I am using raiserfs, mv: accessing `Various Artists - Chopin Complete Edition (Disc 2) - 01 ..... .ogg': File name too long
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> 32k on command line length
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> (for me)
[06:20] <intelikey> 64k here   hmmm ?
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i think
[06:20] <genii> Pupeno_ Use a wildcard
[06:21] <intelikey> oh kernel limits that and i'm not stock.
[06:21] <Pupeno_> this is no more than 512 characters.
[06:21] <Pupeno_> genii: mh ?
[06:21] <genii> eg:    mv Various*   /wherever/
[06:21] <Pupeno_> genii: I am not trying to move it to another directory, I am trying to add the last piece fo the name that is missing.
[06:22] <intelikey> genii it'll just expand that and still be too long   i think the limit is there imposed by mv and not by the kernel or the fs
[06:22] <Pupeno_> intelikey: it is the fs here I believe.
[06:22] <Pupeno_> or the kernel.
[06:23] <genii> Well, at worst just rename it something shorter
[06:23] <Dr_willis> or use 'mc' :)
[06:24] <genii> anybody feeling nostalgic for the old 8.3 limit? LOL
[06:24] <Pupeno_> genii: that means having to rename them by hand instead of by amarok, which does the hard part for me. Now I have 10 times more work because of a stupid limit.
[06:24] <Pupeno_> Dr_willis: I don't think mc would help in any way. It is a limit in the fs, not the mv command.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> genii,  we just LOVE people that want spaces and ()  's in the filenames.
[06:25] <genii> Especially spaces
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Pupeno_,  hmm...
[06:25] <Dr_willis> or the ()'s are confuseing things
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Just use )( :)
[06:26] <intelikey> you are right.  ext2 doesn't accept 500 char filename
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Someone has a band with 500 char?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> 500 char is not a filename.. its a book report! :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Pfft for Wimps
[06:27] <Dr_willis> The filename takes up more drive space.. then the actual file.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <intelikey> doesn't accept 400 char either
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Various Artists - is 'so' descriptive :)
[06:28] <genii> I think thats why I don't have hugely horrible long filenames extremely descriptive. I put them in some dir structure that is self explanatory  eg :../Artists/Somename/    and so on
[06:28] <intelikey> what is the limit 128 ?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: It's a symlink
[06:29] <genii> I think 255
[06:29] <DaSkreech> genii: you hit 255 dirs inside each other?
[06:29] <intelikey> yes it accepts 256
[06:29] <genii> DaSkreech Yes
[06:30] <genii> :)
[06:31] <intelikey> lag is down to one.   i can leave now.
[06:32] <intelikey> and probably should   i don't have the lag = incohearance excuse to use now...
[06:32] <genii> !ping
[06:32] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[06:32] <DaSkreech> You always sound like Chewbaca anyway :)
[06:32] <intelikey> DaSkreech
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Fine forget it I'll reboot :(
[06:33] <genii> !finger genii
[06:33] <ubotu> finger: user information lookup program. In component main, is optional. Version 0.17-10 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 76 kB
[06:33] <genii> I keep wondering if ubotu does some other common service if he does icmp
[06:34] <intelikey> does logging i think
[06:34] <ubuntu> do you speak english ? :D
[06:34] <intelikey> not me    Ubuntu
[06:35] <genii> Well, perhaps not the Queen's english but who can understand her anyhow?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> intelikey:
[06:35] <ubuntu> lol
[06:36] <genii> Weird ubotu opened up a direct IM window to me
[06:36] <ubuntu> intelikey:  do you speak german ?
[06:36] <intelikey> no
[06:36] <intelikey> !de
[06:36] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:36] <ubuntu> ^^
[06:36] <ubuntu> english so ?
[06:37] <ubuntu> !be
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <ubuntu> !ma
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <coreymon77> anyone here speak hebrew
[06:37] <coreymon77> ?
[06:37] <ubuntu> !us
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about us - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <ubuntu> !ue
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <ubuntu> !ch
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <coreymon77> english is my first language but i speak hebrew too
[06:37] <intelikey> not tob coreymon77
[06:37] <genii> 1cz
[06:37] <genii> bleh
[06:37] <coreymon77>  
[06:37] <coreymon77> 
[06:37] <coreymon77> *
[06:37] <genii> coreymon77 Cool
[06:38] <intelikey> but i'm in a console and no fonts for that here.
[06:38] <coreymon77> !he
[06:38] <ubotu>          
[06:38] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[06:38] <ubuntu> coreymon77:  labes ?
[06:38] <coreymon77> that was done by me
[06:38] <coreymon77> labes?
[06:39] <coreymon77> whats that?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[06:39] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: Please play with the bot in pm and not in the main channel.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm I can't load up google calendar
[06:40] <coreymon77> or play with lots of bots in #debian-bots
[06:41] <stdin> or #ubutnu-bots
[06:41] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[06:41] <stdin> (if you can spell it right)
[06:41] <coreymon77>  peanutb!
[06:41] <ubuntu> atakalamo alarabia
[06:42] <coreymon77>  JackPhil!
[06:42] <ubuntu> hi
[06:43] <genii> Geez the bots rate their own channel?
[06:43] <coreymon77> 
[06:43] <ubuntu> what ?
[06:43] <coreymon77> 
[06:44] <coreymon77> this is fun!
[06:44] <intelikey> x[x
[06:44] <intelikey> :)
[06:44] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Please stop
[06:44] <coreymon77> okay
[06:45] <saree> hey all
[06:46] <genii> Since it's slow: Anyone successfully compile Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers under Edgy or Feisty yet?
[06:46] <ubuntu> parlez franais :D
[06:46] <saree> what stage is feisty at? alpha?
[06:47] <genii> "herd 1" whatever that is LOL pre-alpha I suspect
[06:47] <Jucato> !fr | ubuntu
[06:47] <ubotu> ubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:47] <peanutb> coreymon, yes
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato!!
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[06:48] <coreymon77> ???
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> working on a live cd
[06:48] <coreymon77> you understand hebrew peanutb?
[06:48] <saree> i cant get my drivers to install how do i do it?
[06:48] <saree> for my vid card
[06:48] <ubuntu> Jucato:  de quoi tu parles ? mdr
[06:49] <Jucato> ubuntu: I don't speak french
[06:49] <genii> sareeWhat video card do you have? Also are you running Feisty or some previous distro?
[06:49] <Jucato> for feisty questions, #ubuntu+1 is the place to be
[06:49] <ubuntu> Jucato:  je ne comprends pas
[06:50] <ubuntu> Jucato:  hein ?
[06:50] <saree> im running dapper and its a Nvidia
[06:50] <Jucato> !fr
[06:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:50] <saree> how do i vheck which model?
[06:51] <peanutb> coreymon77, must have been a bug in konversation, it started blinking.
[06:51] <saree> *check
[06:51] <genii> saree It may give some clue if you do   lspci |grep NVidia
[06:51] <ubuntu> Jucato:  qu'est ce que tu raconyes ?
[06:51] <intelikey> ues lshw to vheck it ?
[06:52] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: This is an English only channel.  If you wish to speak French, please join #Ubuntu-FR or #Kubuntu-FR
[06:52] <genii> saree http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[06:52] <Jucato> Hawkwind: next, he/she will be talking to you in French :P
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Negative!
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:53] <saree> genii are you sure that cammand is correct?
[06:53] <Jucato> lspci | grep nVidia ?
[06:53] <genii> saree You could try    lspci |grep video
[06:54] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: ok mais quand ?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: I won't tell you nor ask you again.  English only
[06:54] <Jucato> Hawkwind: lol told you :P
[06:54] <Jucato> better use -i to ignore case
[06:55] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: dism oi en frnais
[06:55] <saree> nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] 
[06:55] <saree> is the card
[06:55] <Jucato> !nvidia | saree
[06:55] <ubotu> saree: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:55] <ubuntu> !atia
[06:55] <genii> saree good :) If you go to the site I just listed it has exact step by step instructions
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <ubuntu> !ati
[06:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:56] <ubuntu> yes it's cool
[06:56] <ccherrett> I am trying to compile blender based on a doc at http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/UbuntuBlenderCompile
[06:56] <ccherrett> I am getting umet errors
[06:56] <genii> unmet deps?
[06:56] <ccherrett> karbon: Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.0) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[06:56] <ccherrett> stuff like that
[06:56] <ubuntu> coucou genii
[06:56] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[06:57] <ccherrett> I need the newer koffice dev stuff
[06:57] <Jucato> hm.. why would blender require karbon...
[06:57] <saree> i have found the drivers on adept and have tried the legecy and other driver packages but when i run the command to use them Konsole tells me to do it manually and i dont know how
[06:57] <genii> ccherrett Install the dev version then
[06:58] <Jucato> saree: did you install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:58] <we6jbo_> How do I install NNTPD?
[06:58] <Jucato> ccherrett: I'm pretty sure you can run the Blender version from blender.org without installing it
[06:58] <Jucato> I did it the last time I got the package from blender. just extracted the archive
[06:58] <saree> Jucato i have tried both
[06:58] <genii> ccherrett eg: sudo apt-get install koffice-dev
[06:58] <ccherrett> Jucato: I want the cvs code
[06:59] <Jucato> ccherrett: the CVS code doesn't come with an executable?
[06:59] <ubuntu> salut tout le monde
[06:59] <intelikey> wooow   cat /bin/bash   plays some moores code stuff that's really criptic......
[07:00] <Jucato> saree: then? did you run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" in Konsole already?
[07:00] <we6jbo_> What's a clock cycle?
[07:00] <ccherrett> Jucato: it does not look that way
[07:01] <saree> i ran sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and it told me to change the file manually but i dont know how
[07:01] <Jucato> ccherrett: ah yeah.. from CVS repository...
[07:02] <genii> we6bo A clock cycle as relating to what? NNTP ?
[07:02] <Jucato> ccherrett: although I can't understand why it would require koffice...
[07:02] <Jucato> saree: your card is legacy already, I presume?
[07:03] <ertanto> test
[07:03] <Jucato> ccherrett: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[07:03] <intelikey> ertanto beep
[07:03] <Jucato> fail
[07:03] <saree> the card listed above is the 1 i am running and i am presuming that it is legacy coz it is GeForce2
[07:04] <intelikey> Y Jucato :)
[07:04] <genii> Jucato He has a GEForce2
[07:04] <ccherrett> Jucato: Dapper
[07:04] <Jucato> genii: oh so GeForce2 is legacy? hehe didn't know
[07:04] <Jucato> saree: using pastebin, can you show the output of nvidia-glx-config enable?
[07:05] <Jucato> saree: also, have you tried the command "nvidia-xconfig"?
[07:05] <ccherrett> Jucato: what does this mean?: kivio: Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.0) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[07:05] <genii> Jucato saree>	nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] 
[07:05] <saree> thats what thwe discription in adept says does the other driver work with your card?
[07:05] <Jucato> genii: well I didn't know which cards were legacy or not :)
[07:05] <saree> how do i use paste bin?
[07:05] <genii> !pastebin | saree
[07:05] <ubotu> saree: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:06] <aloyarc> Reading state information... Done
[07:06] <aloyarc> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[07:06] <aloyarc> is there a way to fix this ?
[07:06] <stdin> ignore it
[07:07] <ccherrett> if I run apt-get -f install will that cause trouble for me?
[07:07] <genii> aloyarc Just routine housekeeping
[07:07] <Jucato> aloyarc: or if you're absolutely sure they're no longer needed/used (only if you're absolutely sure) "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[07:07] <aloyarc>  well, i am not absolutly sure, but we about to see what happens
[07:08] <genii> ccherrett What, you want to force intall of.. Blender?
[07:08] <aloyarc> is there a way to clean the menu up automatically ?
[07:08] <genii> ccherrett Sorry, I see now your prev post
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Ooook
[07:09] <stdin> genii: -f is to fix broken, not force :)
[07:09] <DaSkreech> So. How do I recover a dead/dying/deceased File system?
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> playing: http://addicted.puredj.com:8000/
[07:09] <Jucato> ccherrett: which command in the guide specifically causes these koffice errors to appear?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Cause this drive is D-E-D
[07:10] <genii> DaSkreech Well, there is an ancient trick but you need bravery
[07:10] <ccherrett> Jucato: I ran the apt-get command with all the packages in a row
[07:10] <ccherrett> sudo apt-get install build-essential cvs scons libopenal-dev libalut-dev \ libsdl1.2-dev ftgl-dev libpng3-dev libjpeg62-dev libtiff4-dev libopenexr-dev \ libnspr-dev mozilla-dev libglut3-dev python2.4-dev libxmu-dev libarts1-dev \ libsmpeg-dev arts
[07:10] <Jucato> use a live cd to transfer data to some other drives?
[07:10] <Linux_Galore> there is a command line app called recover, not sure it kubuntu has it on the repo
[07:10] <Jucato> hm... very strange...
[07:11] <ccherrett> some of the packages were at their latest
[07:11] <Jucato> can you try them one by one?
[07:11] <ccherrett> but I am concerned to mess up the 1.6.0 koffice stuff I installed today
[07:11] <DaSkreech> genii: Speak Brave Lungs!
[07:11] <ccherrett> Jucato: will do
[07:11] <JackPhil> how to watch (listen) online (embeded) media in firefox?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I can't mount the drive anymore :(
[07:12] <saree> Jucato http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/317/
[07:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: even from Live CD's?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> I was mounting it from the Live CD awhile ago
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  It froze the machine when I tried to copy from it
[07:12] <genii> DaSkreech If the circuit board is OK and just platter issue: Put drive in a ziplock bag. Suck all the air out and put in the freezer for 20 minutes. Then yank it out and *quickly* hook it up not near any heat sources. Then fast like abunny try to mount/retrieve whatever you can
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  I rebooted and now I can't mount it
[07:13] <DaSkreech> genii: The heat is making it not able to mount?
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: remove the IDE cable and clean it
[07:13] <ccherrett> Jucato: it seems to hold on to those umet errors no matter what
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: might just be dirt in the contacts
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: May be on to something
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: I find some time removing the ide cable and just putting it back on is enough
[07:14] <genii> DaSkreech In almost-terminal platter failure freezing the drive causes the platter to contract and the data is sometimes accassible until it warms up again
[07:14] <Jucato> ccherrett: hm... do you have any koffice apps or repositories installed?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> genii: So basically the longer I keep the machine on the more hopeless it becomes?
[07:14] <Jucato> saree: what does the command "sudo nvidia-xconfig" give?
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: could be a number of things
[07:14] <ccherrett> Jucato: yes I just installed 1.6.0 so I could develop a plugin for krita
[07:14] <genii> DaSkreech Well, it all depends if the circuit board is cooked. If circuits ffired no other thing but a new controllewr board will work really
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: The drive Clicks if that helps and Windows can no longer boot from it
[07:15] <Jucato> ccherrett: that might be causing the problem...
[07:15] <genii> Clicking = terminal
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: could be a bad contact, you only need one and the drive wont work
[07:15] <ccherrett> Jucato: is there a way to get around it?
[07:15] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:15] <Jucato> ccherrett: I'm not really sure... but can you pastebin your sources.list?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: And that contact can poke it's head up in the middle of doing a copy?
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: remove the cable try clean out as much dust as you can and try again
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: all metal corrodes or build up a layer of dirt, after a while is can cause an open circuit in a contacts
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> buils*
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> builds*
[07:17] <Ch1ppy> hey, I want to autostart a program, but the program needs a certain param, how would I do this?
[07:17] <genii> DaSkreech i'd only recommend the freezer method BTW if any and all conventional therapies lead nowhere. YMMV
[07:18] <Jucato> Ch1ppy: go to ~/.kde/Autostart, right-click -> Create new -> Link to Application
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> although hardisks do fail though, especially if they are not ventilated well
[07:18] <Jucato> fill in the details in there
[07:18] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: will that allow params though?
[07:18] <killermach__> I need to scan my local network to find which IPs are in use, anyone know a tool for this?
[07:18] <Jucato> yes
[07:18] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: ah, mkay, thanks :)
[07:18] <genii> killermach__ nmap
[07:19] <ccherrett> Jucato: http://pastebin.com/850063
[07:19] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: hm, what if I wanted to sh a script?
[07:19] <saree> Jucato sudo nvidia-xconfig gives nothing
[07:19] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: nevermind
[07:19] <DaSkreech> killermach__: ping -b
[07:19] <Jucato> saree: as in, no such command, or no errors?
[07:20] <killermach__> genii: nmap.. that's the one I could not remember, and a search in synaptic for "scanner" does not produce it :) thanks
[07:20] <genii> Ch1ppy I just wen thru this earlier tonight. You can execute a shell script in Konsole by having a launcher with command:    konsole --noclose -e /the/shell/script.sh
[07:21] <genii> killermach__ No problem :)
[07:21] <Ch1ppy> genii: awesome, thanks
[07:21] <saree> jucato as in command not found
[07:22] <Jucato> oooh so --noclose was the option! thanks genii
[07:22] <genii> ch1ppy :) You can specify terminal size also if the default is too tiny
[07:22] <genii> Jucato I had to find it earlier, drove me nuts
[07:22] <Jucato> ccherrett: hm.. I'm really confused...
[07:23] <ccherrett> Jucato: why
[07:23] <Jucato> ccherrett: well, first of all, I don't understand why those packages would ask for karbon...
[07:23] <genii> ch1ppy eg --vt_sz 80x40 as a switch
[07:24] <Ch1ppy> genii: nice, thanks!
[07:24] <genii> Jucato I wonder if there is something in the Blender rendering engine which uses some core from karbon
[07:24] <Jucato> genii: afaik, no... although the "arts" package in that list makes me wonder...
[07:24] <ccherrett> Jucato: I just ran and sudo apt-get -f install and it installed koffice-lib and it did not break krita
[07:24] <genii> ch1ppy Enjoy LOL
[07:25] <ccherrett> Jucato: now I get new umet errors
[07:25] <Jucato> ccherrett: :O
[07:25] <ccherrett>   mozilla-dev: Conflicts: libnspr-dev but 2:1.firefox1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.8-0ubuntu0.6.06 is to be installed
[07:25] <Jucato> ok that's for the listed packages...
[07:25] <genii> wtf ?
[07:25] <Jucato> I think...
[07:26] <genii> It's like some hydra LOL
[07:26] <Jucato> genii: do you fully type their nicks?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> !tab
[07:26] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[07:26] <Jucato> :)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[07:26] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:26] <genii> Jucato Yes, Chatzilla has no handy shortcuts like Xchat
[07:26] <ccherrett> Jucato: ok that package is in the list to install
[07:27] <ccherrett> Jucato: I am pretty new to ubuntu and have not figured out my way around these types of errors
[07:27] <Jucato> genii: Tab completion is almost a norm in every IRC client :)
[07:27] <Jucato> ccherrett: I'm not new to kubuntu, and I still can't fully understand those errors :)
[07:27] <genii> Jucato: Heh whaddya know it works
[07:27] <Jucato> I'm no expert :P
[07:28] <Jucato> heh lol :)
[07:29] <ccherrett> before the message was unmet dependencies
[07:29] <ccherrett> now it is broken package
[07:30] <Jucato> :O
[07:30] <Jucato> sudo apt-get -f install again?
[07:30] <genii> What package?
[07:30] <monzie> hi all
[07:31] <monzie> problems with digikam here
[07:31] <monzie> uploading to flickr fails everytime. can someone tell me if there is a problem with digikam?
[07:31] <Jucato> monzie: you can also ask in #digikam
[07:31] <Jucato> if asking here in in #kde doesn't work :P
[07:32] <ccherrett> Jucato: ok forget mozilla-dev it is just used to build the webplugin that I don't need now
[07:32] <ccherrett> all installed
[07:32] <ccherrett> thanks
[07:32] <Jucato> what did I do? :P
[07:32] <Jucato> you figured out everything yourself :)
[07:34] <genii> Damn. No port of FreeSide to Ubuntu server et
[07:34] <jlowell> I know this isnt safe, but does anyone know how to stop kdesu from asking for a password?
[07:35] <stdin> yes
[07:35] <jlowell> how?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> jlowell: Yup pretty easy
[07:35] <stdin> oh, you want to know how? :P
[07:35] <jlowell> stdin: please
[07:35] <stdin> jlowell: add your self to the sudoers group
[07:36] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it won't... because it's not recommended :P
[07:36] <stdin> jlowell: * sudo group
[07:36] <Jucato> but I think the RootSudo page might have some hints
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: We have loads of stuff not recommened and ubotu has factiods for it
[07:36] <DaSkreech>  mostly to say it's not recommeded
[07:37] <purpleposeidon> what's the difference between a suggested package and a recomended package? They're synonyms!
[07:37] <stdin> jlowell: you'll have to logout and back in again for it to take effect
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Or at least a wiki page that has 4 pages of why you shouldn't do it followed by 4 lines turning it on
[07:38] <DaSkreech> purpleposeidon: Where did you see a suggested package?
[07:38] <genii> uggested = possibly you may want this   recommended = You more than likely want this
[07:38] <purpleposeidon> apt-get vlc
[07:38] <saree> jucato do you have any ideas about my7 vid driver problem? sorry i was AFK a few minutes
[07:39] <DaSkreech> !info vlc
[07:39] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[07:40] <jlowell> ok so just: damn I forgot how to add my user to a group... with gpasswd ?
[07:40] <genii> Has anyone used FreeSide before?  I'm toying with porting it
[07:40] <DaSkreech> genii: tell me what it is :)
[07:40] <genii> jlowell: Just add to /etc/group
[07:40] <purpleposeidon> genii: i don't think the difference is obvious
[07:40] <stdin> jlowell: why not just use the GUI in System Settings
[07:41] <genii> DaSkreech It's open-source software for backends of ISP stuff like automated billing, time usage tracking for voip customers and more
[07:42] <DaSkreech> WHy is it called FreeSide?
[07:42] <genii> DaSkreech:   http://www.sisd.com/freeside/
[07:42] <Jucato> saree: hm.. not really...
[07:43] <jlowell> genii: I'm already in /etc/group
[07:43] <DaSkreech> genii: They sell it for 3000
[07:43] <purpleposeidon> someone should change it!
[07:43] <DaSkreech> I'll assume that's US dolars
[07:43] <saree> how could i open the file mentioned in my paste using commands?
[07:44] <genii> DaSkreech:   It's open source. they only charge if you want to leave it all to them to put in their own embedded box and watch it for you
[07:44] <Jucato> saree: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:44] <Jucato> saree: not really sure what good that would do, though...
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Yeha but it's a pretty penny of worth
[07:44] <saree> Jucato worth a try though
[07:45] <Jucato> saree: also worth a try backing up that file: sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:45] <stdin> Jucato: you missed the 'cp'
[07:45] <saree> k
[07:45] <Jucato> lol sorry
[07:46] <jlowell> genii: I'm already in /etc/group
[07:46] <genii> DaSkreech We use it on some old FBSD 4.8 servers at my work, it's great
[07:46] <Jucato> saree: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:47] <genii> jlowell If you open up /etc/group and see the different group types. You can add whatever names you like to the groups you want them to belong in. So you can add usera   to group adm for instance and they now have sudo
[07:47] <jlowell> ok but what I'm wanting to do is not have kdesu ask for any password at all.
[07:48] <stdin> jlowell: find the line starting "sudo:x:27:" and add your user name to the end, save it, logout and back in
[07:49] <e1> how can i get kmldonkey to use bitorrent and emule? right now it just uses shareaza and donkey
[07:49] <saree> jucato do i edit the backup or the file?
[07:49] <Jucato> saree: hm.. the file. the backup is your working copy a.k.a. backup
[07:50] <jlowell> trying now thx stdin/genii
[07:50] <genii> stdin Thx, I was looking up what group was needed LOL
[07:50] <stdin> :)
[07:50] <saree> jucato to edit in kate can i just replace nano with kate?
[07:51] <Jucato> saree: if you're going to use kate, use "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:51] <genii> Ah, xorg.conf editing :) such are the joys of manual driver insertions
[07:52] <stdin> editing xorg.conf teaches you to backup :P
[07:53] <Jucato> I'm actually baffled at the error message saree got... as I have no experience with using the legacy drivers..
[07:53] <karmikaze> what other x servers are there apart from xfree and xorg??
[07:53] <genii> lindows
[07:54] <Jucato> xfree and xorg are implementation of the x window system, afaik
[07:54] <genii> Jucato: Some GL related error?
[07:54] <Jucato> genii: no. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/317/
[07:54] <genii> OK lemme look
[07:54] <Jucato> saying that xorg.conf has been modified, need to check/change the md5sum blahblah foo
[07:54] <Jucato> that's not mine,btw
[07:55] <stdin> aah, I've seen that before
[07:55] <dwidmann> qtopia?
[07:55] <saree> jucato i have made my edit now how do i check to see if it worked?
[07:55] <Jucato> saree: yep
[07:55] <Jucato> and cross your fingers :P
[07:56] <stdin> it happens when you edit xorg.conf after enabling nvidia
[07:56] <genii> Jucato: I don't think it's anything fatal. You may ave to install tee or multitee tho to execute the fix that is suggested
[07:56] <stdin> tee should be already installed
[07:57] <Jucato> it actually is, afaik
[07:57] <saree> ok i am going to admit im n00b so how do i do that
[07:57] <genii> aree ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:57] <genii> saree ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:57] <Jucato> genii: tab completion for your sanity :)
[07:58] <genii> heh
[07:58] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:58] <we6jbo> hi
[07:59] <ccherrett> man I am having seg faults from gcc. Can I downgrade with apt?
[08:00] <genii> saree: Did you first do the command suggested in the pastebin?
[08:00] <saree> well i ctrl-alt-backspaced but nothing i have is 3d so how do i know if it worked?
[08:00] <Jucato> ccherrett: downgrade to?
[08:00] <genii> saree eg: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[08:00] <e1> is there a channel for file sharing like bitorrent and stuff?
[08:01] <genii> e1 Not here
[08:01] <ccherrett> gcc 3.4
[08:01] <saree> i never got your pastebin  but i will now try that command
[08:01] <ccherrett> Jucato^
[08:01] <e1> genii not here as in not in this channe, or there is no such channel
[08:01] <genii> saree: try to run   kdegears
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: Use the channel search
[08:02] <Jucato> ccherrett: not sure if that's a good thing... you can, however, install an older gcc version, and use export CC=gcc3.4 or something before compiling
[08:02] <Jucato> genii: glxgears
[08:02] <genii> e1 Because of the lagalities I do not think there is a channel on this site for that purpose
[08:02] <saree> is that a game i need to download?
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: Most likely every torrent client will have a channel...
[08:02] <Jucato> saree: you haven't run the nvidia-glx command again?
[08:02] <e1> MilhousePunkRock cool, how do i open channel search
[08:02] <we6jbo> I have a question
[08:03] <saree> no didnt know i had to?
[08:03] <we6jbo> not related to Ubuntu
[08:03] <e1> genii ic, i'll try if i can find any
[08:03] <genii> saree: sorry Jucato has correct program to run. glxgears     You can install it if not already in by   sudo apt-get install glxgears
[08:03] <ccherrett> Jucato: can that be done with apt to install the other gcc at the same time at gcc 4.0.3?
[08:03] <we6jbo> How big are DVDs in MB or GB?
[08:03] <Jucato> ccherrett: yes
[08:03] <stdin> genii: again glxgears is install by default :p
[08:04] <genii> saree: At command line to query GL    glxinfo
[08:04] <saree> the package couldn't be found
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: /list opens the channellist, from there you can search
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: At least in Konversation
[08:04] <Jucato> saree: it's installed by default already
[08:04] <genii> stdin I have this need to assume nothing is installed by default
[08:04] <e1> MilhousePunkRock yeah i'm using konversation, i just thought the list would be wayyy long
[08:04] <Jucato> saree: glxinfo | grep -i rendering
[08:05] <e1> direct rendering: yes ;-)
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: It is, but you can search from the channel list to narrow down the results
[08:05] <stdin> genii: yeah, I know it's not good to assume anything, but I'm being pedantic :p
[08:05] <e1> MilhousePunkRock thx alot
[08:05] <ccherrett> Jucato: do I just run apt-get install gcc3.4
[08:05] <saree> direct rendering = yes is the response
[08:05] <Jucato> ccherrett: yes. but gcc4.x will still remain your default
[08:05] <Jucato> saree: congratulations!
[08:06] <e1> Jucato can gcc4.x do stuff that's done by gcc3.x
[08:06] <saree> yay i now have 3d drivers
[08:06] <e1> Jucato cuz in the installation of something, it said i don't have gcc3.x, so something isn't installed
[08:06] <e1> Jucato but i had gcc4.x installed
[08:06] <genii> saree: First efore rejoicing try the glxgears   :)
[08:06] <saree> does that mean i can now try xgl and compiz?
[08:07] <Jucato> saree: on your legacy video card? not so sure...
[08:07] <aloyarc> what does .mcop do ?
[08:07] <e1> saree do:   glxgears -printfps
[08:07] <saree> the gears work
[08:07] <stdin> saree: you may find beryl easier to install on kubutnu, compiz is very gnome-centric
[08:07] <genii> !mcop | aloyarc
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mcop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <genii> darn bot
[08:08] <Jucato> e1: I'm just saying that he can have 2 or more versions of gcc installed, with gcc4.x as default, and use gcc3.x when necessary, through export CC
[08:08] <stdin> +1 vote for !botslap
[08:08] <stdin> :P
[08:08] <saree> 50 frames in 5.0 seconds =  9.978 FPS
[08:08] <genii> aloyarc Basically it's antispan/anti probing settings
[08:08] <genii> antispaM
[08:09] <aloyarc> for konq/kontact ?
[08:09] <saree> genii is ^^ good?
[08:09] <genii> saree: Yes very good :)
[08:09] <e1> Jucato o cool, yeah i was trying to see if i need to install gcc3.x if i had gcc4.x installed already, i'm total newbie =)
[08:10] <genii> aloyarc Yeah
[08:10] <genii> stdin Smartass
[08:10] <Jucato> e1: most of the time, you don't need to. but in case you do, it's possible :)
[08:10] <aloyarc> i think i just did something bad ... i rm -rf .*
[08:10] <genii> LOL
[08:10] <stdin> genii: yep :D
[08:10] <e1> i get upwards max 7000'ish on a nvidia geforce fx 5900 with glxgears
[08:10] <Jucato> aloyarc: depends on where you did that...
[08:10] <saree> now how would i go about installing xgl+beryl?
[08:10] <e1> Jucato cool thx alot
[08:10] <aloyarc> in /home/myhomedirectory
[08:10] <stdin> !beryl | saree
[08:10] <ubotu> saree: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:11] <saree> i know my card is crap but this is a 5 yrold testing machine
[08:11] <Jucato> gah I'm so slow today in typing!!!
[08:11] <Jucato> aloyarc: oh, you just deleted your whole home dir
[08:11] <aloyarc> nope, just the . files
[08:11] <Jucato> aloyarc: or maybe not
[08:11] <saree> i think its 5 yr old
[08:11] <Jucato> yeah
[08:11] <genii> saree: Close to 10 fps is fine for pretty much whatever you need
[08:11] <Jucato> lol didn't see the .
[08:11] <Jucato> saree: how much video ram do you have?
[08:12] <genii> Jucato: Just wiped user settings
[08:12] <stdin> saree: how to install xgl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl and for beryl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[08:12] <Jucato> saree: better ask the guys over at #ubuntu-xgl if your specs are alright
[08:12] <aloyarc> er, yep, i am getting errors now
[08:12] <saree> * asks Jucato the command to check (think its 32\
[08:12] <e1> saree if u use nvidia cards, u don't need xgl, someone correct if i'm wrong
[08:12] <Jucato> ah that I don't know...
[08:12] <genii> saree: Realtime would be ~30 fps so 10 is a bit jerky but tolerable
[08:14] <saree> im fine with jerky
[08:14] <saree> so no need for xgl ?
[08:14] <Jucato> "need" for xgl? there is no need for it
[08:15] <ayeizajedi> morning all
[08:15] <Jucato> it's not a necessity for a perfectly functional system
[08:15] <saree> no i mean no need to install it coz u said its already there
[08:15] <Jucato> hm... young padawan?
[08:15] <genii> aloyarc Well, exiting and restarting will restore a lot of the settings files but maybe not all
[08:15] <Rob-West> dpeace out homies
[08:16] <genii> saree: xgl and nvidia I don't know.   xgl and ATI yes
[08:17] <stdin> saree: unless you installed xserver-xgl you don't have xgl
[08:17] <saree> righto i will fire up adept and get me some xgl stuff
[08:18] <stdin> saree: this is the help page for installing xgl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[08:18] <digitalfreedom> my primary HDD will be called hda by linux no matter if it has an OS on it or not correct?
[08:18] <Jucato> saree: the topic in #ubuntu-xgl also points to some useful pages
[08:18] <Jucato> digitalfreedom: yes
[08:18] <saree> adept is taking a while to load lol
[08:18] <stdin> digitalfreedom: correct
[08:18] <digitalfreedom> Jucato: THANX
[08:19] <digitalfreedom> sorry bout the caps
[08:19] <digitalfreedom> ty stdin as well
[08:19] <stdin> :)
[08:19] <digitalfreedom> i thought so but i had to ask
[08:19] <Jucato> primary master = hda, primary slave = hdb, secondary master = hdc, secondary slave = hdd
[08:19] <stdin> you don't ask, you won't know :D
[08:19] <Jucato> at least that's how it is for me
[08:19] <genii> digitalfreedom: If your primary hd is master on forst IDE, then hda   if slave/primary IDE then hdb etc. Then most sata are sda sdb  etc    SCSI is also   sda sdb   etc
[08:20] <digitalfreedom> yeah i need to install something on it
[08:20] <stdin> genii: unless you run 2.6.19 then hda is sda :P
[08:20] <wilman> is there a way i can copy a tekst out of a screen?
[08:20] <digitalfreedom> ty genii
[08:20] <wilman> like a notify screen
[08:20] <Jucato> ok. I'm outta here! (short nap)
[08:20] <Jucato> Uptime: 3 days, 23 hours and 35 minutes
[08:20] <deadman> hey Jucato
[08:20] <genii> digitalfreedom: Np :) See stdin 's caveat just above if you run cutting edge kernel
[08:21] <digitalfreedom> im soo looking forward to kde 4
[08:21] <e1> test
[08:21] <wilman> iam so looking forward for beryl 2
[08:21] <genii> 4.2 is latest KDE now :)
[08:21] <hybrid_> im looking forward to figuring out how to get rid of the info windows when i mouse over the K menu and suck
[08:21] <Jucato> hybrid_!!! long time!
[08:21] <hybrid_> such
[08:21] <digitalfreedom> 4.2 be out and ready?
[08:21] <hybrid_> and yes im new to KDE
[08:21] <genii> digitalfreedom: Yup
[08:21] <digitalfreedom> im so getting it now
[08:22] <hybrid_> Jucato: running Kubuntu in Parallels =)
[08:22] <saree> does that mean plasma has arrived?
[08:22] <digitalfreedom> hello synaptic
[08:22] <Jucato> hybrid_: right-click panel -> configure panel -> appearance -> uncheck  Enable icon mouseover effects
[08:22] <Jucato> saree: no
[08:22] <hybrid_> thanks Jucato
[08:22] <saree> dang
[08:22] <genii> digitalfreedom: in kde-dev I think is where to install from. Perhaps another but anyhow  -dev   at end
[08:22] <Jucato> obviously, sarcasm doesn't work that well in IRC genii
[08:22] <hybrid_> YaY
[08:23] <genii> Jucato: You need the  ;)   for sarcasm I think LOL
[08:23] <Jucato> unfortunately, you only used :)
[08:23] <genii> hybrid_ You running some PVM ??
[08:24] <digitalfreedom> i can get it from the site i guess
[08:24] <hybrid_> genii: yes im a mac user but i support ubuntu
[08:24] <hybrid_> so Kubuntu is running in Parallels
[08:24] <Jucato> ok now I'm really gone :)
[08:25] <Khybrid> gnight Jucato
[08:25] <digitalfreedom> it only says 3.5 on the site
[08:25] <Jucato> digitalfreedom: don't tell me you actually believed genii?
[08:25] <digitalfreedom> well i havent checked in a while
[08:25] <digitalfreedom> so you know
[08:26] <digitalfreedom> hahaha
[08:26] <Jucato> 4.2 can't be out... because KDE 4 isn't even out (or half built...)
[08:26] <digitalfreedom> i didnt know
[08:26] <genii> Thats messed last I looked there was a 4.x release notice... lemme reserch
[08:26] <Jucato> actually.. probably half-built...
[08:26] <Jucato> bah... don't know how much is built. it starts up and runs.. a bit... :)
[08:27] <Jucato> Khybrid: it isn't night time yet... I'm just gonna take a quick afternoon nap... :P
[08:27] <Khybrid> ah hehe
[08:27] <Khybrid> its 1:30am here
[08:27] <Jucato> genii: oh so you weren't being sarcastic? :O
[08:27] <genii> Jucato No, just onfused apparently
[08:27] <Jucato> I think you were referring to the 2nd KDE 4 snapshot, called Krash or KDE 3.80.2
[08:28] <genii> *Confused*
[08:28] <Jucato> heh apparently :)
[08:28] <Jucato> Khybrid: go to bed! :P
[08:28] <Khybrid> BAH! go take a nap
[08:29] <genii> Jucato Most likely 3.80.2 / snapshot being 2nd relese messed my mind up
[08:31] <genii> Wow I need coffee
[08:31] <stdin> coffee is good
[08:32] <method|> anyone know what i have to do in apache to make http://whatevermyipis display my webpage like it does when i use http://localhost?
[08:32] <method|> im a total apache noob
[08:33] <Khybrid> method|: portforward
[08:33] <Khybrid> method|: set your router to forward port 21 to that internal IP
[08:33] <method|> thanks a lot ill see if that works
[08:33] <stdin> 21 ??
[08:33] <genii> method|    sudo   echo "Listen 192.168.0.101:80" >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf      xcept put your right IP in there
[08:33] <Khybrid> isnt 21 http?
[08:34] <stdin> no that's ftp
[08:34] <Khybrid> whats http?
[08:34] <stdin> http is 80
[08:34] <Khybrid> d'oh
[08:34] <Khybrid> thanks stdin
[08:34] <stdin> no Khybrid :)
[08:34] <stdin> no *problem
[08:34] <stdin> need more coffee (or less)
[08:35] <Khybrid> all out =/
[08:35] <stdin> i'm never out of coffee, unless the store runs out :p
[08:36] <Khybrid> im not old enough to drive =/
[08:36] <dwidmann> stdin: you live at the store? j/k
[08:36] <genii> stdin Me either :) When that happens I've been know to fish coffee grinds out of the garbage and recycle them
[08:36] <stdin> dwidmann: no, but the store is a 2 min walk away :D
[08:36] <dwidmann> convenience at its best :)
[08:37] <stdin> genii: I've never been quite that desperate :p
[08:37] <dwidmann> I take from a variety of caffeine rich sources :)
[08:37] <dwidmann> I don't run out of all of them, period
[08:37] <genii> stdin: Well, it's not like they are loose in there... sitting on top still in the filter etc is acceptable
[08:38] <stdin> ahh, I'll let you off then :p
[08:38] <genii> It was a sad day when Jolt cola was taken off the shelves
[08:38] <Khybrid> 0.o
[08:38] <Khybrid> you can still get ut
[08:38] <Khybrid> it
[08:39] <Khybrid> amoung many new flavours
[08:39] <genii> Khybrid: The stores all around here got pressure from PTA since 3 schools = wired angry kids on caffeine
[08:39] <dwidmann> if you order it online, most likely for more than it's worth
[08:39] <foob> ugh. firefox2 twice today has crashed kde so bad i had to hit the reset button on my computer. absolutely no keyboard keys would work, not alt+f1, not ctrl+alt+backspace, not any of the sysrq commands, well the first time it crashed alt+sysrq+b worked but not the second. how can i prevent this stuff? the first time it crashed i did a 'view page source' on a web page and the second time i was just lookin at a myspace profile
[08:39] <Khybrid> Bawls <3
[08:40] <dwidmann> I've been meaning to try bawls, but haven't been wanting to pay an arm and a leg for it ...
[08:40] <genii> foob Revert to 1.5.0.x ?
[08:40] <foob> well im not sure it's just firefox that would do it and not other browsers too
[08:41] <foob> should i 'nice' it or somethin and give it less priority over my cpu/memory or something?
[08:41] <Khybrid> if i can ssh to something can i sftp to it?
[08:41] <genii> foob Try to see if it fails miserably on Konqueror
[08:41] <genii> Khybrid: No, different ports
[08:41] <foob> how come apps don't do what they do in windows and say 'program not responding' with an 'end now' button
[08:42] <foob> so i dont have to reboot to fix it
[08:42] <Khybrid> genii: is there a server i need to install to do so?
[08:42] <stdin> foob: they do when they hang, but not when they take up 100% CPU power
[08:42] <foob> how can i make it impossible for firefox to take 100% cpu power
[08:42] <genii> Khybrid: You are running a server at home/somewhere  you ssh into from outside and you want secure ftp as well?
[08:43] <method|> how do I figure out what my ip address is in konsole?
[08:43] <Khybrid> genii: it is a local box
[08:43] <foob> ifconfig
[08:43] <Khybrid> method|: local ip? ifconfig
[08:43] <Khybrid> external needs something like ipchicken.com
[08:43] <genii> nah just syndns and port-forwarding
[08:44] <genii> dyndns
[08:44] <Khybrid> i got it genii
[08:44] <genii> Khybrid: Anyhow give me a minute and I'll look into packagename for that
[08:45] <FisherP> Hi
[08:45] <genii> Khybrid: VSFTP  is packagename
[08:45] <FisherP> is anyone here a Digikam expert?? I want to upgrade/install the new version 0.9 onto my dapper installation
[08:46] <genii> !vsftp | Khybrid
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vsftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <Khybrid> i got it genii
[08:46] <genii> darn u ubotu! LOL
[08:46] <stdin> another vote for !botslap
[08:46] <genii> Khybrid: OK :)
[08:46] <beau_> whats a good txt based unix distro? or linux
[08:46] <Khybrid> txt based?
[08:47] <beau_> text
[08:47] <stdin> beau_: ubuntu server
[08:47] <Khybrid> do a server install
[08:47] <beau_> really?
[08:47] <stdin> yeah
[08:47] <beau_> i like txt based
[08:47] <genii> beau_ Ubuntu server 6.06.1, minimal LAMP install
[08:47] <dwidmann> any linux distro will do for text only really
[08:47] <stdin> it's just ubuntu, without the gui
[08:47] <beau_> free bsd wont boot from the cd i made :(
[08:48] <stdin> then use GNU/Linux :p
[08:48] <Khybrid> gawd freebsd has a horrid installer
[08:48] <genii> Actually I *like* he fbsd installer
[08:49] <Khybrid> i didnt understand fdisk
[08:49] <Khybrid> and im rather good with parted
[08:49] <genii> Except diskslicesetc etc
[08:50] <genii> Khybrid: BSD has "slice" concept ... sort of virtual subpartitions. Disklabel  and so on
[08:50] <Khybrid> yeah i couldnt get past that
[08:51] <stdin> virtual subpartitions?? is that anything like LVM ?
[08:51] <genii> Khybrid: Basic routine: make a partition. Then create slices in the partition
[08:52] <genii> stdin Yes, very similar
[08:52] <stdin> ahh, that can be very useful
[08:52] <FisherP> is anyone here a Digikam expert?? I want to upgrade/install the new version 0.9 onto my dapper installation
[08:53] <genii> LVM in Debian is actually a borrowing from more unix type systems of this virtual slice idea
[08:55] <genii> FisherP: there is a specific channel... I believe   #digikam
[08:56] <stdin> he's already there
[08:56] <genii> I just poked my head in there to see if any activity but it looks dead, yeah
[08:57] <saree> jucato or genii have u used xgl or beryl or compiz before?
[08:57] <saree> or anybody else?
[08:57] <FisherP> genii yeah, i've joined there, they're not talkative atm
[08:58] <stdin> I uses AIGLX
[08:58] <saree> do u have the cube effect going?
[08:58] <kittyguy> Alot of channels are dead it seems
[08:58] <genii> saree: I've used xgl with ATI cards but not beryl or compiz that I know of.
[08:58] <FisherP> genii you have help me b4, can you help again... the sources.list line doesn't appear to work
[08:58] <kittyguy> atm
[08:59] <stdin> you would know if you used beryl :P
[08:59] <saree> genii so you have never used the desktop effects?
[08:59] <genii> stdin :) So I hear
[08:59] <zero-9376> anyone know a way to set a default view profile in konqueror for kubuntu dapper, ive tried everything i can find on the web
[08:59] <genii> saree: No, sorry :(
[09:00] <genii> FisherP: What error or symptom are you getting?
[09:00] <saree> ok i am trying to get help here coz the xgl folks werent saying anything
[09:00] <FisherP> I have added this line "deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper ./" and getting "Failed to fetch http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/./Packages.gz  403 Forbidden"
[09:01] <genii> FisherP: OK, you have to add specific directories after the /dapper    part. You can use the other lines in there as an example.
[09:02] <stdin> genii: it is there it's the './' part
[09:02] <genii> eg: main universe multiverse
[09:03] <FisherP> genii hmmm all the packages are in  http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/ and there is no main universe or multiverse
[09:03] <genii> FisherP:  Line should be more proper like:  deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper main niverse multiverse
[09:03] <karmikaze> !sun javacc
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun javacc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <karmikaze> !javacc
[09:04] <ubotu> javacc: A parser generator for use with Java. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2+0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 434 kB, installed size 1232 kB
[09:04] <stdin> genii: it's not a well formed repo, take a look http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/
[09:04] <genii> FisherP: If you are certian the line is correctly formed, ensure  that you are running the command to access the repository as root, by    sudo   for instance
[09:04] <FisherP> genii I tried the main.... and it didn't work :(
[09:04] <genii> 1 moment I will look as stdin suggests
[09:05] <FisherP> genii I pasted the link from the web site, checked it, and am running "sudo apt-get update"
[09:06] <saree> eep just tried to load beryl manager to get beryl working and no i cant see the bar that k menu is on and i cant see any frames around my windows
[09:06] <genii> Yes, it appears to be a matter that the file which needs accessing there Packages.gz   which has no Read attribute set
[09:06] <wilman> how to copy a text in a warning screen when you can't select
[09:06] <saree> i cant move windows either
[09:06] <stdin> saree: press alt-f2 and type in beryl-manager
[09:07] <stdin> saree: sometimes it won't load properly at first
[09:07] <FisherP> genii should I report that to the digikam ppl or wait till it is free?
[09:07] <saree> alt f2 aint doing anything
[09:08] <genii> FisherP: I suspect they are updating the repository. You ma want to wait 10 minutes and then try once more, or find an alternate repository
[09:08] <saree> stdin could loging out then back in help?
[09:08] <FisherP> genii thanks, I will wait, then if it repeats I might send off an email... Thanks Again!! :-)
[09:09] <stdin> saree: maybe, it's worth a try anyway
[09:11] <genii> FisherP: The original URL you had in sources.list should be proper as well. I would wait some time then execute   sudo apt-get update       to see if it is responding properly to get the package list etc
[09:11] <saree> stdin i have opened up beryl manager from k menu how can i get it working from there or is bereyl- manager the best way?\
[09:11] <genii> FisherP: You may want to remove the    ./    at the end of the line and try, but that should actually be correct
[09:12] <FisherP> genii yeah I tried that too... no go
[09:12] <stdin> saree: beryl-manager is the best way to start beryl
[09:12] <stdin> saree: you can run it from a konsole to see if you get any errors too
[09:12] <saree> !pastebin
[09:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:13] <karmikaze> hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:13] <karmikaze> trying to install java 5 dev stuff
[09:13] <karmikaze> i see the license in adept but its stuck
[09:13] <karmikaze> can only see the top half of it
[09:13] <karmikaze> im guessing i should just kill this and do it with aptitude or something eh
[09:14] <stdin> karmikaze: yeah, or with apt-get
[09:14] <karmikaze> yep will do stdin :)
[09:14] <saree> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/321/  stdin this is what comes up in konsole
[09:15] <karmikaze> oops
[09:15] <saree> and the freeze up thing happened again
[09:15] <karmikaze> its locked
[09:15] <genii> FisherP: A possible alternative repository to try:  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main restricted universe multiverse
[09:15] <stdin> saree: you don't have XGL installed
[09:16] <saree> i installed xgl server. how do i install it then?
[09:16] <saree> wait 1 min to tell me
[09:16] <karmikaze> what flushes this again:  E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:16] <karmikaze> apt-get -f?
[09:17] <saree> stdin so how do i install it then?
[09:18] <stdin> saree: if you installed xserver-xgl you probalby haven't set it up, there are instructions on setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[09:18] <FisherP> genii thanks again
[09:18] <saree> stdin no i havent set it up     oops
[09:18] <stdin> karmikaze: try sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:18] <genii> FisherP: Np :) Hope it all helps
[09:19] <stdin> karmikaze: then: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:19] <genii> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:19] <genii> Arg stdin LOL
[09:19] <stdin> hehe
[09:19] <karmikaze> cool
[09:19] <saree> stdin gksudo gedit /usr/bin/startxgl.sh is made for gnome what parts do i need to change so it can run in kde?
[09:20] <oem> how can run rpm file on kubuntu?
[09:20] <stdin> saree: kdesu kate /usr/bin/startxgl.sh
[09:20] <genii> !alien | oem
[09:20] <oem> how can run rpm file on kubuntu?
[09:20] <ubotu> oem: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[09:21] <stdin> saree: this part is for kubuntu users: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl#head-11f417f3b6961f34f8e875eae29baa58da15d0a2
[09:21] <oem> what file can i run on ubuntu
[09:21] <stdin> follow that
[09:21] <genii> oem What are you trying to install?
[09:22] <oem> some programs but the extenion it rpm
[09:22] <stdin> oem: if you want to install a RPM, you have to convert it to a DEB file first, you do that with alien
[09:22] <genii> (there may already be an apt package for it and no need for some rpm file)
[09:23] <genii> 'some program" is vague... what is the application you ae trying to put on?
[09:23] <oem> this program not found in apt
[09:23] <stdin> still vague there
[09:24] <oem> how convert rpm to deb?
[09:24] <stdin> oem: you need to install alien
[09:24] <oem> where i can found it?
[09:24] <saree> stdin that part says its unstablecan i use method A instead?
[09:25] <genii> oem Before trying a rpm file, I would uncomment all repositoriesin /etc/apt/sources.list    and make sure that at the end of each line starting with "deb" there are the words universe multiverse. Then do   sudo apt-get update   then search again for whatever application   with sudo apt-cache search vaguenamehere
[09:25] <BlackPhoenixx> 1. sudo apt-get install alien
[09:25] <BlackPhoenixx> 2. sudo alien whatever.rpm
[09:25] <stdin> saree: it says if you find it's unstable, then use method A. try that one first tho
[09:26] <oem> wait i will try now thank you
[09:27] <saree> i am half way through method A. if i do the part where i edit the login part although its for gnome will it work for kde?
[09:28] <stdin> saree: follow the part that says "NVIDIA (using KDE)"
[09:29] <saree> stdin i am passed the coloured box and am up to the editing the logg in part
[09:30] <saree> i just thought i might have to do something different coz it says its changing the gnome logg in
[09:30] <stdin> saree: ahh, I see now, do what the page says, just change 'gksudo gedit' with  'kdesu kate'
[09:31] <saree> ok thx
[09:33] <genii> Anyone aware of some difference running make   from dash as opposed to bash?
[09:33] <stdin> should be no different
[09:34] <paolo> Hi. in wich dirs can I find the kernel source? thnks
[09:34] <ademan> how can i rip the audio from a video file?  (in this case avi if that matters) can mencode do it?
[09:34] <Crayola> is there a way to permenatey remove kde wallett ?
[09:34] <stdin> paolo: you need to install it first, then it will be in /usr/src
[09:34] <genii> I'm trying to compile some drivers that went fine on Dapper but Edgy/Feisty chokes horribly same Gcc etc which is weird
[09:34] <ademan> genii: what's the error?
[09:35] <genii> ademan Hangon I'll get it
[09:35] <ademan> probably best to use the paste site
[09:35] <ademan> knowing gcc errors :-)
[09:36] <paolo> stdin: thnks
[09:36] <stdin> np
[09:37] <saree> stdin woot woot beryl works now
[09:37] <stdin> :D
[09:37] <stdin> rotate that cube
[09:37] <saree> i only have 1 desktop how do i8 get my cub e?
[09:37] <genii> Like so    /home/userid/Desktop/conexant/modules/serial_hsf.c:183: error: struct tty_struct has no member named flip
[09:38] <genii> However this exact same file compiles on GCC3.4 dapper without problem
[09:38] <stdin> saree: ctrl-alt-left/right (or ctrl-alt-leftclick (and drag))
[09:40] <saree> stdin it aint working
[09:40] <stdin> saree: do you have the beryl icon in the system tray?
[09:40] <genii> Maybe it will just take some more experimenting ...bleh
[09:41] <saree> yes
[09:41] <saree> i only have the option of one desktop could that be the problem?
[09:41] <stdin> saree: and do you see new window decorations ?
[09:42] <ademan> genii: wow, sounds like the code has changed significantly
[09:42] <saree> yeah and my windows are wobbly
[09:42] <ademan> is this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[09:42] <genii> ademan For the whole saga on these drivers if yer interested: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190728
[09:42] <genii> ademan Fresh Edgy
[09:42] <ccherrett> anyone know what the package name for memtest is?
[09:43] <ademan> hrm, that's interesting
[09:43] <genii> memtest86
[09:43] <stdin> saree: ahh, it may not be anabled by default (for some reason), go ahead and open Beryl Settings Manager (right click on the beryl icon)
[09:43] <ccherrett> thanks
[09:43] <stdin> s/anabled/enabled
[09:43] <genii> ccherrett: However memtest is likely installed by grub, try ESC at grub beginning to see if it is on the list
[09:43] <BlackPhoenixx> the easyest way to run a memtest is just to insert the CD from kubuntu / ubuntu and run het memtest from cd
[09:44] <ccherrett> genii: will do
[09:44] <ademan> genii: unfortunately i don't think i'll be able to help, clearly someone changed part of the struct tty_struct, and your driver code is still using tty_struct::flip  when it no longer exists
[09:44] <ademan> i think it actually might be a case where you need to change the source to the driver
[09:44] <saree> stdin the cube is ticked
[09:45] <ademan> saree:  be sure to enable "rotate cube" as well
[09:45] <ademan> :-)
[09:45] <saree> yep just did that thx
[09:45] <saree> u rock
[09:45] <stdin> saree:  working now?
[09:46] <zeek> whats the program where you can run another user desktop in a window?
[09:46] <genii> ademan Crap. This source is the last ever open-sourced "winmodem" Conexant drivers. Now Mark Boucher of linuxant.com is bandwidth-restricing o 14.4 free drivers and 56 speed drivers he wants $20 per license. I have 800 of these modems
[09:46] <stdin> zeek: xnest
[09:47] <zeek> thanx
[09:47] <saree> stdin yep
[09:47] <stdin> woot :D
[09:47] <ademan> genii: wow, are you part of a company or what?
[09:47] <saree> the ony problem is that it shows from the inside of the cube not the outside
[09:47] <stdin> saree: that's in the settings too
[09:47] <saree> stdin ^^
[09:48] <genii> ademan Yes, we have thousands of old city computers which we are installing Linux onwith cheapest modems we can get to use some Voip over pots
[09:48] <stdin> saree: in desktop cube, uncheck "insode cube" (at the top)
[09:48] <ademan> genii: hrm, alright well gimme a second, use the paste site, are those ALL of the errors?
[09:48] <saree> ok thx
[09:49] <stdin> *"inside cube"
[09:49] <genii> ademan On that thread you can see the entire output of the erros being generated
[09:49] <ademan> ok
[09:50] <ademan> can you link me to the exact source package you're compiling?  I'm rather confident i can rid you of those errors, a larger question is whether it will work again afterwards
[09:50] <genii> ademan Edgy specific stuff starts on page 3
[09:50] <stdin> saree: there are tons of settings in beryl, you can tweak until you're hearts content :)
[09:51] <ademan> genii: which one are you?
[09:51] <ademan> autocrosser?
[09:52] <saree> thx stdin yep tweaking thats why ppl use linux
[09:52] <saree> thats was my projsct for the holidays and now its done
[09:53] <stdin> it's fun to fold back a maximised window to peek behind it :p
[09:55] <helge> I get this message when running adept, reboot didnt help: http://picasaweb.google.com/svevendeord/EnMappeAlleKanSe/photo#5015724847193928626
[09:58] <stdin> helge: a reboot didn't help?
[10:01] <helge> reboot did not help.
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> hello hanseatix
[10:03] <stdin> helge: open konsole (Kmenu -> System Konsole) and type: sudo apt-get update
[10:03] <stdin> helge: and look for errors (you'll have to type in your password)
[10:04] <helge> I tried that earlier but this time I read what i said :-)
[10:04] <helge>  sudo dpkg --configure -a it tells me to do
[10:04] <helge> I think I am ok now
[10:04] <stdin> that should fix it then
[10:05] <helge> thx :-)
[10:05] <stdin> np :)
[10:13] <niko_> ohayo
[10:14] <james_> can anyone help me with my tv tuner?
[10:15] <lysergic> i've installed kdetv
[10:15] <lysergic> but it wont pick up any channels
[10:15] <lysergic> says the driver is loaded
[10:18] <lysergic> haha, and in the end i just had to adjust the airial
[10:19] <lysergic> how do i upgrade from drapper to edgy?
[10:20] <stdin> !upgrade | lysergic
[10:20] <ubotu> lysergic: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:20] <lysergic> cheers
[10:20] <stdin> genii: like on a beach? :p
[10:20] <ademan> no the kind that turn 800 modems into paperweights :-p
[10:21] <genii> stdin No as in like dash vs bash
[10:21] <lysergic> haha
[10:21] <stdin> dash = small, bash = full featured
[10:21] <stdin> that's about it
[10:22] <lysergic> ive always been a bash fan... but i must say i never really used dash
[10:22] <genii> stdin ademan Has me thinking now that it may be dash in Edgy causing it to fail during compile with otherwise exact same GCC and source code
[10:22] <genii> !dash | lysergic
[10:22] <ubotu> lysergic: /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[10:23] <lysergic> oooh i see
[10:23] <stdin> genii: you can change /bin/sh to point to bash instead of dash
[10:24] <lysergic> so what's the advantages of edgy?
[10:24] <ademan> i don't see how a shell would cause a compilation error, i mean it shouldn't change the headers, unless during the build it asks the shell for a certain variable like $SHELL_HEADERS or something, which i doubt
[10:24] <genii> stdin As a test on a disposable box I did apt-get remove dash   and it installed bash as the default after as well
[10:24] <ademan> i got it for new Xorg and new upstream versions of other programs
[10:25] <lysergic> i see
[10:25] <lysergic> does it solve the x64 problem im having with wine?
[10:25] <lysergic> or is that wine itself :P
[10:26] <genii> lysergic From what I've been hearing around there is some issues with amd64 and wine
[10:26] <genii> Likely some leagcy 32bit code in wine or so
[10:26] <stdin> dose wine run on x64? or is that a chroot?
[10:26] <lysergic> it hasnt worked for me yet
[10:27] <ademan> poor you, wine keeps me sane :-)
[10:27] <ademan> or rather, allows me to play distracting video games
[10:27] <genii> heh
[10:27] <lysergic> i get some conflict with uhh... i cant remember the name of the package.. but it said there was a dependency issue and to check the version of the lib file, but it was the same version it requested
[10:28] <lysergic> im stuck with planet penguin atm for my kicks
[10:28] <stdin> I haven't uses wine in months, I don't even have it installed right now
[10:28] <lysergic> really sucks having a nice new video card and not being able to play games on it
[10:28] <genii> ademan  BTW if you ever need help with totally headless automated netbooting  lemme know, i became an expert in the last month ROFL
[10:28] <ademan> lysergic: i just got open arena, it's not bad
[10:28] <ademan> genii: haha, wonderful
[10:28] <kraut> moin
[10:28] <lysergic> open arena?
[10:29] <lysergic> is that a deathmatch style openGL game per chance?
[10:29] <stdin> if you really, really need windows for games, there is always vmware
[10:29] <ademan> lysergic: GPL quake 3 source + new GPL replacement models
[10:29] <lysergic> mmm, but vmware was never fast was it?
[10:29] <genii> Q3 is open-sourced?
[10:29] <ademan> admittedly the model quality is crap as of now, but hey, totally GPL q3 :-)
[10:29] <ademan> genii: yeah, has been for a while
[10:29] <lysergic> oh... can i get it through synaptic?
[10:29] <ademan> lysergic: no :-(
[10:29] <lysergic> damn
[10:29] <stdin> depends on your system lysergic
[10:29] <lysergic> umm
[10:30] <ademan> i was thinking of packaging it and cube and submitting it to REVU, but for now i'm feeling lazy
[10:30] <lysergic> x64, nvidia 7600gt
[10:30] <genii> I remember I gave up on Quake 2 sources because all the video drivers were nvidia and I had (still have) ATI centric boxes
[10:30] <stdin> ram is most important (along with cpu) for vmware
[10:30] <ademan> lysergic: it actually functions just fine if you just untar the tarball and run from there, you don't really need to install it
[10:31] <lysergic> oh... easy :)
[10:31] <ademan> you want a link?
[10:31] <lysergic> ive got 1gb dual channel
[10:31] <lysergic> ademan: yes please
[10:31] <ademan> http://files.moddb.com/5276/download-openarena-060-linux-release/     it's got binaries and source
[10:31] <ademan> unfortunately there's no source only release
[10:32] <ademan> but you know, take what you can get :-)
[10:32] <lysergic> cheers
[10:32] <lysergic> haha
[10:32] <lysergic> works with women :p
[10:32] <stdin> lysergic, win XP runs fine for me (1.8GHz 1.5GB RAM) and it ran ok kinda ok 515MB too
[10:32] <lysergic> stdin: through vmware you mean?
[10:32] <stdin> yeah
[10:32] <ademan> i remember XP was kind of crappy with 512mb ram NATIVE
[10:32] <stdin> not that I run it often
[10:32] <lysergic> yeah
[10:33] <stdin> ademan: win xp is crappy anyway :p
[10:33] <ademan> course that was doing heavy lifting, like 5 firefox windows, etc, and we all know how much firefox likes memory :-)
[10:33] <lysergic> i have it installed dual boot but 10 minutes after it boots it causes an unknown hard error BSOD and i chuckle and boot back into ubuntu
[10:33] <ademan> lysergic: hehe
[10:34] <lysergic> just gotta get my logitech G15 LCD screen working and my tv tuner working and ill be happy
[10:34] <genii> lysergic What is the issue with the screen?
[10:35] <lysergic> seems to be a problem with libdevusb
[10:35] <genii> What, is it touchscreen?
[10:35] <lysergic> i can install the daemon, but when i go to boot it it says there's a conflict
[10:35] <lysergic> its just a 300x130pixel LCD screen
[10:35] <lysergic> something around that resolution anyway
[10:36] <lysergic> its a little screen that sits on the keyboard
[10:37] <genii> Hmmm http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267118&page=21
[10:37] <genii> Looks like something called g15tools
[10:38] <genii> ^ may be needed
[10:38] <lysergic> yep
[10:38] <lysergic> ive got g15tools sitting on my desktop
[10:38] <lysergic> i fully installed them according to one of those guides
[10:39] <lysergic> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/G15Tools_support_for_the_Logitech_G15
[10:39] <lysergic> i think the problem was with libusb-dev
[10:40] <lysergic> the tutorial says "simply do a search for "lubusb-dev debian" and download/install..."
[10:40] <lysergic> but i cant find that package anywhere
[10:40] <genii> On the previous page of that thread I posted the guy has identical error. I wonder if further in there is a ix
[10:40] <genii> fix
[10:40] <genii> usb error
[10:41] <lysergic> would it be worth upgrading to edgy and trying again
[10:42] <lysergic> ?
[10:42] <genii> Does  mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb  as was apparently the solution there work to activate your screen there?
[10:43] <lysergic> already mounted
[10:44] <genii> (I would suppose you need to run the 15daemon afterwards etc)
[10:44] <genii> Hmm
[10:44] <stdin> lysergic: you cant find libusb-dev?
[10:44] <lysergic> no i cant find libusb-dev debian
[10:44] <genii> Well, so far my only issues with Edgy has been related to these Conexant modems. Otherwise it worked beautifully with all hardware tested so far
[10:45] <stdin> 'libusb-dev' would be the package name, not 'libusb-dev debian'
[10:45] <lysergic> "libusb-dev is already the newest version"
[10:46] <lysergic> (*I had some kind of weird dependancy problem with xsane and ubuntu desktop with libusb-dev, simply do a search for "libusb-dev debian" and download/install, you'll know it works when it warns you about an older version in the repos)
[10:46] <genii> Edgy even recursively detected 3 upnp hubs I had cascaded together
[10:47] <lysergic> nice
[10:48] <stdin> maybe it means this package http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/libusb-dev
[10:49] <lysergic> i thought it may have been libc60dev
[10:49] <lysergic> *libc6-dev
[10:50] <stdin> don't know, just guessing here
[10:50] <lysergic> "error, a later version is already installed"
[10:50] <genii> Thats why I'm so keen to get these modems working on it instead of Dapper, but as I near deadline for out-the-door boxen I am thinking I may have to do dapper then if some working edgy driver upgrade them all by sending out cdroms. (they are all on dialup so apt-get dist-upgrade could be problemmatic and time consuming)
[10:51] <stdin> that could be the error in the howto "when it warns you about an older version in the repos"
[10:51] <lysergic> yeah true
[10:51] <lysergic> but it'd be a newer version in the repos... wouldnt it?
[10:51] <lysergic> maybe it was just badly worded
[10:51] <stdin> maybe
[10:52] <stdin> bit that's the 1st thing i saw when i did a search in google for "libusb-dev debian"
[10:52] <lysergic> yeah
[10:53] <lysergic> im sure i tried that last night though...
[10:53] <lysergic> and it didnt seem to make a difference
[10:53] <stdin> ahh
[10:54] <lysergic> to install packages in console i type sudo dpkg "package name" yeah?
[10:54] <genii> If you have it d/l already yeah
[10:54] <genii> dpkg -i name.deb
[10:54] <stdin> sudo dpkg -i "package.deb"
[10:54] <lysergic> AHH -I
[10:55] <lysergic> cheers
[10:55] <lysergic> new i was missing a flag
[10:55] <stdin> damn, you beat me that time genii :p
[10:55] <genii> stdin I forgot the sudo tho LOL
[10:55] <stdin> we'll call that a draw then :D
[10:55] <lysergic> ahhh
[10:56] <lysergic>  libg15 depends on libc6 (>= 2.4-1); however:
[10:56] <lysergic>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.
[10:56] <lysergic>  libg15 depends on libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12); however:
[10:56] <lysergic>   Version of libusb-0.1-4 on system is 2:0.1.10a-22ubuntu1.
[10:56] <wilman> how to copy a text in a warning screen when you can't select it?
[10:56] <lysergic> move it to one side of the screen and type it out ;P
[10:56] <stdin> wilman: take a screenshot, or you'll just have to type it out
[10:56] <wilman> hmm
[10:56] <wilman> no other way?
[10:57] <lysergic> screenshot, print it out, get a logitech handscanner and text recognition software
[10:57] <stdin> nope, not unless you are a magician
[10:57] <genii> wilman If it was something run in a terminal/konsole   execute the same command and add >> errorlog.txt    then open up errlog.txt in some editor
[10:57] <lysergic> afk
[10:58] <genii> geez you know, I still have an ancient logitech hand scanner with a proprietary interface card ROFL
[10:58] <wilman> :P
[10:59] <wilman> i think it is a javascript in firefox
[11:00] <wilman> hmm i can look at the source
[11:00] <pawdro> hi, can i use kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386 as a live cd? or do i have to download another cd ?
[11:01] <wilman> nop
[11:01] <stdin> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386 IS the live CD
[11:01] <genii> It is all now on one CD instead of before where there were separate Live and Install Cds
[11:02] <stdin> ahh, back in the good old days :p
[11:02] <genii> I thought at first a mistakewhen my CDs arrived since 5.10 etc all had 2 CD sets
[11:02] <genii> LOL
[11:03] <stdin> I actually have a 5.10 cd right by me
[11:03] <stdin> from shipit
[11:03] <genii> Me too, they are good for emergencies
[11:03] <genii> When you just need "rescue" with no frills etc
[11:04] <stdin> 5.10 was before you could get (from shipit) kubuntu disks I think
[11:05] <genii> I think so. The first distro I got sent to me was the last 4 distro. since then I order a selection of different platforms etc
[11:06] <genii> 6.06 was first shipit KDE I saw
[11:06] <JOSF> I want Konqueror to use inline view (kpart) for archives instead of starting Ark each time when I double click an archive. How can I do that ?
[11:06] <stdin> 1st one I got was 5.04, that was ubuntu, 6.06 is the only kubuntu one I have
[11:09] <genii> Well, 5AM here and getting blurry so time for nappies :) Gnite all
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: just edit the file associations
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: in konqueror
[11:09] <stdin> good night genii
[11:09] <JOSF> Wasn't there some path with some config files in it ? I just forgot it.
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: no, konqueror will use a set app for an set file type, that can be edited within konquerors settins
[11:10] <JOSF> Linux_Galore: oki, thanks
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: Open Konqueror, up the top Settings-> Configure Konqueror, look for the "File Associations" icon
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> on the right
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> sorry left
[11:14] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: look for the file class type in the Applications section and change it to what ever you want
[11:16] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: or if you lazy just type the file type in the search box at the top of that section
[11:17] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: type tar  for archives
[11:31] <lysergic> genii: i have the handscanner and card too
[11:31] <lysergic> but no isa slots :P
[11:32] <akrus> does someone know if Dance Dance Revolution or Pump It Up! dance pads are supported in Kubuntu?
[11:33] <lysergic> i highlt doubt it
[11:33] <Jucato> :O
[11:33] <lysergic> back in the days when men were real men and wrote their own device drivers
[11:33] <akrus> oh found
[11:33] <akrus> Pydance supports it
[11:33] <akrus> and StepMania
[11:33] <lysergic> are they supported>?
[11:33] <Skeez|Sleep> How would I go about changing the bootscreen?
[11:33] <akrus> gr8
[11:33] <akrus> :)
[11:33] <akrus> yep!
[11:33] <lysergic> awesome
[11:33] <akrus> yep
[11:33] <akrus> and freeware lol
[11:33] <akrus> Windows sucks :D
[11:33] <Skeez|Sleep> Not the login or the grub screen but the "kubuntu" boot
[11:33] <lysergic> hahah it sure does
[11:34] <SharkP> hi!
[11:34] <akrus> actually i switched to linux about a month ago
[11:34] <akrus> and did not even install windows
[11:34] <akrus> with nvidia card i do not miss anything
[11:34] <SharkP> akrus,could you help me?
[11:34] <akrus> wine works perfect for the apps I need
[11:34] <akrus> SharkP: in?
[11:34] <lysergic> howd u install wine?
[11:34] <akrus> apt-get install wine :)
[11:35] <SharkP> akrus:How shall I write a space between two words in the console?
[11:35] <akrus> e.g. file name.mp3?
[11:35] <lysergic> hmm need to update libc6 and libusb for wine too XD
[11:35] <akrus> file\ name.mp3
[11:35] <akrus> or "file name.mp3"
[11:35] <SharkP> ok,I try
[11:35] <akrus> lysergic: :)
[11:36] <Jucato> SharkP: or use Tab completion... type in a few letters of the file name, then press Tab
[11:36] <SharkP> thanx,it's so!:D
[11:36] <ebees> ebees
[11:36] <lysergic> akrus: ahh is it underscore...?
[11:36] <SharkP> Bye
[11:36] <lysergic> oh yeha ":" lol
[11:36] <lysergic> a new IRC era... i highly doubt that
[11:38] <ebees> Hi all. I have a friendo on the phone who  is using Kubuntu 6.10. She's lost her desktop (dunno how) and the repos keep timing out. I use 6.06. Is there presently a problem with the repos for edgy? (Where in Australia) Any help would be appreciated.
[11:43] <lysergic> ive just done apt-get -f install
[11:44] <lysergic> and it seems to be fixing the dependancy problems i was having with wine and g15daemon
[11:44] <lysergic> possibly a conflict with the amd64 architecture
[11:47] <JOSF_> What is group Staff (#50) for ?
[11:48] <perrin> hi,  just wondering if anyone can help me with some commands for linux?
[11:48] <hmsteiner> hi
[11:49] <hmsteiner> does anyone speek german?
[11:49] <JOSF_> hmsteiner: yes, I do
[11:49] <perrin> i need to install a usb audio device, and its detected in lsusb, but im not sure how to get it working
[11:49] <hmsteiner> hi hast du kurz zeit ich htte eine frage.
[11:50] <lysergic> perrin, have u tried the settings in the mixer?
[11:50] <lysergic> what's the soundcard youre using?
[11:51] <perrin> its a griffin imic
[11:51] <perrin> i think it will work if i restart then kubuntu will detect it,  but id like to know how to manually force it to work
[11:51] <ebees> Hi all. Sorry if this is a double post. I have a friend on the phone who is using Kubuntu 6.10. She's lost her desktop (dunno how) and the repos keep timing out. I use 6.06. Is there presently a problem with the repos for edgy? (We're in Australia) Any help would be appreciated.
[11:52] <hmsteiner> is it normal that i can not bring my WLAN card in promisc-mode?
[11:52] <lysergic> ok perrin i see what uve got
[11:52] <lysergic> double click on teh little speaker in the tray
[11:52] <lysergic> and click
[11:53] <lysergic> File > Change Device > ...
[11:53] <lysergic> and try the different drivers
[11:53] <lysergic> ALSA works fine for me
[11:54] <hmsteiner> is here anyone who can help me with my "network interface issues" =)?
[11:54] <perrin> nah its not that i cant select the device,  its that i want to know how make linux detect it and install it without having to restart
[11:55] <lysergic> ooh
[11:55] <lysergic> cant u just restart the x server
[11:55] <lysergic> that way u wont have ot restard
[11:55] <lysergic> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[11:55] <lysergic> ugh spulling...
[11:56] <lysergic> afk
[11:58] <JOSF> hmsteiner: Ich kann Dich nicht privmsg'en, schie los. (btw: mit WLAN kenne ich micht nicht aus).
[11:58] <JOSF> Sorry for German. Can't privmsg him.
[11:59] <Alter-Ego> i would like to open up a port on my installation so i can retrieve web mail.  how do i do this, is there a utility for doing so?
[11:59] <paulcarpenter> The Fiesty Fawn pages talk about when it is scheduled for but I can't find when that actually is.
[11:59] <JOSF> What uses group 'staff' (GID 50) ?
[12:00] <JOSF> And what is the difference between group 'adm' and 'admin' ?
[12:00] <JOSF> If you want to make a binary installation in /opt upgradable by some users, what group would you use (without creating an existing one ?)
[12:01] <perrin> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace  is just like restarting..  what was the point
[12:01] <Jucato> perrin: restarting X doesn't restart everything.
[12:02] <Jucato> it only restarts services and apps that are tied to X... specially useful if you have other process running in the command line in the background
[12:02] <perrin> yeah i realise that,  but what i want to be able to do is to plug in a usb device and configure is and get it running without having to restart, im sure this is possible?
[12:03] <Jucato> hm... you shouldn't have to restart at all... isn't it autodetected?
[12:03] <Alter-Ego> what is the ip address of the localhost ?
[12:03] <perrin> sorry,  i know the concepts of linux etc, i just dont know the commands or where stuff is stored like config files etc
[12:03] <Alter-Ego> 27.0.0.1 ?
[12:03] <Jucato> Alter-Ego: 127.0.0.1
[12:03] <prixeh> hey
[12:04] <perrin> its detected,  but its an usb audio device, and it doesnt change to that device when its plugged in
[12:04] <Jucato> hm.. I think that has to be configured somewhere in System Settings.. I'm just not familiar with how...
[12:06] <enotee> what is the best program to download and sync video podcasts
[12:07] <JOSF> enotee: sync with what ?
[12:07] <enotee> my ipod
[12:08] <JOSF> ah,ok. Dunno.
[12:08] <JOSF> Had a look at kde-apps.org ?
[12:08] <enotee> no not yet
[12:08] <JOSF> then hush hush, go there and check it out. Maybe they have something ;-)
[12:09] <JOSF> sounds to me like they could have something as simple as a commander applet
[12:10] <enotee> k thanks
[12:10] <ebees> thanks all the same
[12:10] <ebees> bye
[12:32] <xenol> plz why does my kopete stop working if i click on my friend in my buddy list, every t ime i want to write sor message it stop working any ideas?
[12:35] <liam> i have a question
[12:36] <liam> im  cant play mp3's in amarok or kaffine
[12:36] <liam> can anyone help
[12:36] <xenol> u need libxine-extracodecs
[12:37] <liam> ok where do i get those from
[12:37] <xenol> !source-o-matic
[12:37] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:37] <liam> see it recognises that its an mp3 goes to play it then cancels
[12:37] <liam> thanks
[12:37] <xenol> from that web build ur own repo
[12:37] <xenol> and then edit ur sources.list
[12:37] <liam> ok thanks
[12:37] <xenol> need my help with that too?
[12:38] <liam> err might do lol
[12:38] <liam> im really new to linux#
[12:38] <xenol> k
[12:38] <xenol> well i am too
[12:38] <xenol> but know these stuff
[12:38] <liam> k
[12:38] <xenol> so which country u from? US?
[12:38] <xenol> i will build u new repos
[12:39] <xenol> need to go
[12:39] <xenol> sry
[12:39] <liam> ok
[12:40] <xenol> jsut select country, then in terminal write sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and paste those repos there save it
[12:40] <xenol> in shhell type sudo apt-get update
[12:40] <xenol> and then go to this page
[12:40] <xenol> !restricted formats
[12:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:46] <liam> ok can anyone else help me
[12:50] <llrnr> liam: go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats and see what you can get from there... it usually works for every media issue you have
[12:57] <liam> can anyone help me
[12:58] <Slike> i've got a little problem: the fonts of kicker + programs that start when logging in are way bigger than the font size when i'm just starting an application
[12:58] <paulcarpenter> crazy, any chance it's just thier individual settings?
[12:58] <paulcarpenter> ^ @ Slike
[12:59] <liam> i cant seem to open adept package manager
[12:59] <Slike> paulcarpenter: when eg amarok starts at login time fonts are quite huge, when it's not started at login time and i start it manually, it's normal/good
[12:59] <liam> it says there might be an atp  problem
[12:59] <paulcarpenter> liam what exactly does it say?
[01:00] <paulcarpenter> Slike, I have no idea.
[01:00] <liam> ill tell you 2 secs
[01:00] <mneisen> Hi, has somebody else problems with the new fglrx driver?
[01:02] <liam> Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[01:02] <paulcarpenter> have you done so?
[01:02] <liam> i dont know how to
[01:03] <llrnr> liam: for updating your sources.list file take a look here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[01:03] <liam> ok this is how it happened i tried to update some sources so i could play mp3s
[01:04] <liam> when i pasted the repository into adept
[01:04] <llrnr> liam: you have to update your sources in order to enable certain packages you need to be properly "seen"
[01:04] <liam> the program shut down
[01:04] <llrnr> you did this in the "graphical" manner, from adept ?
[01:04] <liam> yes
[01:05] <liam> like GUI
[01:05] <llrnr> i'd go with manually editing the file you need... it's a lot more safer IMO than the GUI way :P
[01:05] <liam> im sorry guys but i have no clue im really new to linux
[01:05] <llrnr> take a look at the link above, it will tell you what to do and after you do that, take a look at the restricted formats page to enable amarok to play mp3s -- hey im new to linux too
[01:06] <liam> ok the psycho cats one right?
[01:06] <llrnr> yes, the one on psychocats
[01:06] <liam> k thx
[01:07] <llrnr> be sure to take the right piece of text.. for your edgy / dapper / breezy, ok ?
[01:07] <Jucato> liam: what seems to be the problem?
[01:08] <llrnr> Jucato: he's got problems with adept, sources.list... i'd go for the page on psychocats with choosing a right sources.list file, i always trust aysiu's advice :P
[01:08] <Jucato> aysiu's great!
[01:09] <llrnr> yeah ! :D
[01:09] <Jucato> but liam mentioned something about not being able to open Adept?
[01:10] <llrnr> i _think_ (i didn't see the whole discussion) he got this problem after trying to update the repostories from adept itself, trying to enable some repositories for being able to play mp3s in amarok
[01:10] <Jucato> ah
[01:11] <Jucato> hm.. would be great if he could comment on his problem :)
[01:11] <liam> sorry
[01:11] <Jucato> anyway I hope his silence means "yes it's working"
[01:11] <liam> i was away doing what the guys asked me to do
[01:11] <liam> im back now
[01:11] <Jucato> any luck?
[01:11] <liam> would you like me to explain again
[01:12] <liam> no i went to the link above and followed the instructions
[01:12] <llrnr> ok, did you follow the guidelines on psychocats and did you manage to update yor sources.list successfully ?
[01:12] <llrnr> ok
[01:12] <liam> i typed in "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:12] <Jucato> uhuh... that's good
[01:12] <llrnr> yes, this was for doing a backup of your file
[01:12] <liam> it asked me for a password which it accepted and then said
[01:13] <llrnr> "sudo" is for root privileges (you need this in order to handle that specific file), yes it needs your password too, and "cp" stands for copy
[01:13] <liam> missing destination ..... sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:13] <liam> thankyou
[01:14] <llrnr> missing destination ? well... are you sure you spelt everything correctly ? if it doesn't work, try simply copying from the webpage (psychocats) and pasting in the terminal with the middle mouse button
[01:14] <liam> ok ill try that
[01:14] <llrnr> good luck :)
[01:14] <Jucato> there should also be a space  between /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:15] <llrnr> yup
[01:15] <liam> ok it pasted it but then flashed up bad device?
[01:15] <Jucato> what did you paste?
[01:15] <Jucato> the baddevice error should only appear if you're trying to launch a GUI app from the command line
[01:16] <liam> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:16] <liam>  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <liam> maybe it was the kwrite?
[01:16] <Jucato> ah yeah, the kdesu kwrite part. don't worry, those baddevice errors are harmless (but annoying)
[01:16] <llrnr> oh... yes, it happens
[01:17] <jerp> when I 'empty trash' the icon doesn't change to show it is empty, isn't it suppose to show the white representative of paper, removed from the center of the icon?
[01:17] <liam> ok ive done it agian in a new shell it asked for a pass then has just gone back to normal
[01:17] <Jucato> liam: no. don't worry about it
[01:17] <liam> ok
[01:18] <liam> so what do i do now
[01:18] <llrnr> Jucato, i noticed all the GUI things i start from the konsole with kdesu give something like this... so i start them with alt+f2 (the run command) and it's all ok, i guess this is the way to do it, huh ?
[01:18] <Jucato> llrnr: yeah sort of :)
[01:18] <llrnr> liam: now you take (with copy/paste) the sources.list file from psychocats and paste it there.. after you delete everything in your current sources.list file (ie.replace what you already have with the proper entry from the psychocats page)
[01:19] <llrnr> liam: just be sure to pick your right version : edgy / dapper / breezy
[01:19] <liam> where will i find the right version i think its dapper
[01:20] <liam> 6.06
[01:20] <llrnr> well... if you're sure it's 6.06 then it's dapper :)
[01:20] <llrnr> if you already see a lot of "dapper" things there then it should be dapper
[01:21] <llrnr> if you want to be really sure then you could start another terminal (konsole) and type in "cat /etc/issue" - it will tell you the exact version you have
[01:21] <liam> ok i ran the command through alt d2
[01:21] <liam> f2
[01:21] <liam> nothins happened
[01:22] <llrnr> well, yes, you have to enter there "kdesu kate [or kwrite]  /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:22] <llrnr> try       kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:22] <liam> ok
[01:22] <llrnr> it will ask you for yor password again
[01:23] <liam> im i typing this into a terminal or run command
[01:23] <llrnr> run command : alt+f2
[01:23] <Jucato> run command or konsole.. doesn't really  matter.  :)
[01:24] <liam> ok it done nothing in the run command #
[01:24] <liam> but in a konsole i now have kate up
[01:24] <llrnr> ok then
[01:24] <liam> with sources.list open
[01:24] <Jucato> the baddevice errors are caused by X trying to detect wacom stuff (for pointers.. forgot the name of the device)
[01:25] <vincent> is there any plugin that i can use to burn MP3CDs with K3B?
[01:25] <liam> im assuming i take out the line that i assume is c
[01:26] <liam> causing the promblem
[01:27] <llrnr> vincent: yes, look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 you need libk3b2-mp3
[01:28] <liam> llrnr: what do i do now?
[01:28] <llrnr> ok so if you got kate open with sources.list, then do as in the psychocats guide: first delete everything you see there, and then paste in the entry for dapper (6.06) form the psychocats page
[01:29] <furryballs> konqueror won't display swf(flash) files. It tries to open them with totem.
[01:29] <liam> ok
[01:29] <vincent> llrnr: that will only convert mp3 to wav. then ill get audio cd's
[01:29] <vincent> i mean mp3 cd's
[01:30] <Jucato> vincent: you can just burn the mp3's on the CD as a Data CD
[01:30] <vincent> ah
[01:30] <vincent> ok
[01:30] <llrnr> vincent: ok... you mean you need to write a cd full of mp3s ? this is what i usually do with no problems at all - burn it as a data cd
[01:30] <Jucato> libk3b2-mp3 is only necessary for burning mp3's to Audio CD
[01:30] <llrnr> Jucato: :) yes this is what i understood, sorry
[01:31] <Jucato> :)
[01:31] <jerp> ok, I'll take the silence as "when someone empties their trash, the icon doesn't change to show it is empty,"  another foible maybe fixed in versions newer than Dapper.
[01:31] <vincent> ok
[01:31] <vincent> thnx dudes
[01:32] <Jucato> jerp: where is the icon? on the desktop or on the panel?
[01:32] <jerp> on the desktop
[01:32] <liam> ok thanks guys i think its working now
[01:32] <Jucato> jerp: try to edit the .desktop file for the Trash in Kate... I think that there should be 2 icons being used, one for normal, and one for trash can full... you can try doing a Google search..I'm not really familiar with it
[01:33] <llrnr> liam: great. after you save the file, be sure to run "sudo aptitude update" in the konsole
[01:33] <liam> now i just need to be able to update my repositories without this happening again lol
[01:33] <Jucato> !restricted
[01:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:33] <liam> yeah i done that and it looks like its updated
[01:34] <liam> adept now works again
[01:34] <llrnr> liam:whoa! now that's good. what's your next step? enabling mp3 playback in amarok? then look at the first link that ubotu gave above
[01:34] <liam> ok
[01:34] <jerp> jucato, ok, do you know where in what folder that desktop file resides?
[01:34] <ebees> Hi all. does anyone know if there is a problem with the Edgy repos? A friend is having time-out problems
[01:34] <liam> restricted formats
[01:34] <Jucato> in ~/Desktop :)
[01:35] <ebees> I'm on Dapper so can't help
[01:35] <llrnr> ebees: i had problems a few days ago with the repositories for beryl, but not with the normal edgy repos... :-S
[01:36] <Jucato> ebees: is he using the us.archive.ubuntu.com servers in his sources.list?
[01:36] <ebees> Tah llrnr. She lost her desktop and we've been trying to reinstall it.
[01:36] <ebees> Yes.
[01:36] <ebees> We're in AU though, and she's a slow typer :)
[01:36] <ebees> I might have to talk her through changing the repos to Australia
[01:36] <Jucato> ebees: change it to something else... there are problems with us.archive.ubuntu.com sometimes
[01:37] <llrnr> hm... yes that's right, i use local repos (ro.archive...) and it works
[01:37] <ebees> okay. Thanks for that. I'll have to get her to add au on the repo lists. Many thanks for that.
[01:37] <ebees> I'll go and speak to her now. Thanks. Nite :))
[01:40] <liam> thanks for your help guys seems i have lots of reading to do
[01:40] <liam> lol cya
[01:43] <olimpico> mouse pad, I have a problem with my mouse pad, how can I configure it better?
[01:45] <olimpico> In my laptop, there is a mousepad to move the mouse, I'm not sure if that's the correct name in English.
[01:45] <Lynoure> olimpico: touchpad?
[01:57] <jerp> wooohooo, I finally got the new w3m update.   (snarky sarcasm)
[01:57] <Jucato> lol
[01:57] <Jucato> also got the firefox update earlier
[01:58] <jerp> I'd consider using it if it would play flash for me, but it's text based
[01:58] <jerp> :)
[02:00] <Jucato> :P
[02:01] <jerp> I went back to the taskbar trashcan, it would be sweet if the panel app adder would let you make a drop on the desktop
[02:02] <Jucato> hm.. doesn't the desktop icon allow you to do that?
[02:03] <jerp> I couldn't find the entries for the desktop file
[02:03] <jerp> gtg
[02:06] <olimpico> Yes, please help me to configure my touchPad correctly!
[02:08] <Deadcake> olimpico, i never installed linux on a laptop
[02:08] <Deadcake> but make sure you laptop is available on the ubuntu hardware database
[02:09] <Deadcake> in the most cases touchpads are recognized by the OS as ps2 mouses
[02:11] <zzz833> anyone know where I can see my system specs in kubuntu?
[02:12] <Deadcake> i think
[02:12] <Deadcake> it's sysinfo: on konqueror
[02:12] <Deadcake> zzz833: : )
[02:12] <zzz833> thanks
[02:13] <Deadcake> mh no that's wrong
[02:13] <Jucato> sysinfo:/ doesn't exist outside SUSE
[02:13] <Jucato> zzz833: try K Menu -> System -> KInfoCenter
[02:14] <Deadcake> Jucato: yes that's true, sorry :(
[02:14] <Jucato> :)
[02:14] <zzz833> thanks
[02:14] <Jucato> it's a nice kioslave though...
[02:15] <apokryphos> not a full kioslave, just a web page
[02:15] <Jucato> just like apt:/ ?
[02:15] <apokryphos> joins docbook: in being another pseudo but useful kioslave :P
[02:15] <Jucato> still nice though :)
[02:15] <Jucato> ooh
[02:15] <Jucato> do we have that in Kubu?
[02:15] <zzz833> OpenGL doesn't work for some reason, but my graphics seem ok
[02:15] <apokryphos> we do, yeah
[02:16] <zzz833> if I install nvidia driver will I get open gl?
[02:16] <Jucato> :O
[02:16] <apokryphos> it just links to the respective entry on docbook.org
[02:16] <Jucato> aah... I thought it reads .docbook files...
[02:16] <apokryphos> oh, no
[02:16] <apokryphos> you need meinproc to generate those
[02:17] <Jucato> hehe figures....
[02:17] <olimpico> I already read in internet how to configure the Thouchpad, but tapping doesn't work, qsynaptics just doesn't make it work properly.
[02:17] <zzz833> It says "cannot initialize open gl", do I need to install nvidia drivers for it to work?
[02:17] <olimpico> Something must be wrong
[02:18] <apokryphos> what would it load though? .docbooks are only there to be converted to another format
[02:18] <apokryphos> not really like html or anything
[02:18] <Jucato> apokryphos: yeah... it's converted to HTML in khelpcenter at runtime afaik...
[02:18] <apokryphos> I'm pretty sure it isn't
[02:19] <Jucato> hm...
[02:19] <apokryphos> the only thing it does is to build an index
[02:19] <zzz833> Anyone know what that error message means? Do I need to install nvidia drivers?
[02:19] <apokryphos> all the KDE docs exist as HTML. i.e. do help:/konqueror in Konqueror
[02:19] <apokryphos> turns up straight away
[02:21] <apokryphos> they're stored in usr/share/doc/HTML to be exact
[02:23] <apokryphos> erm, actually, please completely ignore me 8)
[02:23] <Jucato> :)
[02:23] <Jucato> apokryphos: .docbooks are in there
[02:23] <apokryphos> I had a strange recollection of meinproc taking ages to actually convert to html
[02:23] <apokryphos> yes
[02:23] <Jucato> apparently it doesn't use meinproc
[02:23] <zzz833> anyone have an answer?
[02:23] <apokryphos> (which actually doesn't make sense if you think about it anyway, since it's not much work)
[02:24] <Jucato> yeah meinproc takes ages... wonder what khelpcenter uses...
[02:24] <apokryphos> true
[02:24] <apokryphos> I've only ever used meinproc, that's why I figured they must be stored as html
[02:25] <apokryphos> but that would take an awful lot more of space
[02:25] <apokryphos> still, kind of nice this way that they aren't (since it's still so freakin' fast)
[02:25] <Jucato> I only used meinproc once to convert the kword doc to html then to pdf...
[02:25] <apokryphos> in theory it wouldn't require *that* much work to make all the docs in KDE be PDFs
[02:26] <Jucato> won't require that much work for someone who knows how :P
[02:26] <apokryphos> I love the KDE PDFs; so shiny 8)
[02:26] <Deadcake> it is true that ati video cards higher from 8500 are native supported in kubuntu?
[02:26] <apokryphos> as in, for KDE to change from using html to PDF (of course this would be a bad idea, just a point on how flexible it really seems to be)
[02:36] <paolo> Hi. I don't hear audio from my sound card. strengely, it seems correctly installed. How should i proceed?
[02:39] <paolo1> hi. I can't hear audio from my sound card, but it appears installed. How should I proceed? thnks...
[02:42] <zzz5433> is there a way to check if I installed nvidia driver correctly?
[02:43] <zzz5433> with open gl enabled
[02:44] <yellowbee> www.myspace.com/doggerdan <---- New myspace XSS exploit PoC (proof of concept)
[02:45] <wedgeV> zzz5433: glxinfo |grep 'client glx vendor'
[02:45] <riccardo_> hi to everybody I've a problem
[02:45] <wedgeV> zzz5433: and maybe try glxgears
[02:46] <riccardo_> with kubuntu to go in internet i must always change in the file resolv.conf the default ip 192.168.1.1
[02:46] <riccardo_> with the dns of my provider
[02:46] <riccardo_> but why I must always write it everytime?
[02:47] <wedgeV> riccardo_:  i probably gets overwritten
[02:47] <wedgeV> riccardo_: are you running networkmanager?
[02:47] <riccardo_> i edited the file resolv.conf as a root
[02:47] <riccardo_> I've a modem\router
[02:48] <wedgeV> riccardo_: well, i guess there is some daemon process overwritting /etc/resolv.conf
[02:48] <wedgeV> riccardo_: i dont know which one that would be on ubuntu
[02:49] <riccardo_> i'm using kubuntu
[02:49] <riccardo_> kde
[02:49] <riccardo_> and every time resolv.conf put the default router ip that's 192.1681.1
[02:50] <wedgeV> i understand your problem
[02:50] <Jucato> resolv.conf resets to the default from time to time, specially after a reboot
[02:51] <blar> could anyone lend me some assistance installing the latest JDK?  apt-cache search is only returning jdk-5
[02:51] <Jucato> that's the latest available in Ubuntu's repositories
[02:52] <blar> ah-ha
[02:52] <Jucato> if you want anything more recent than that, you'd have to install it yourself...
[02:53] <blar> i tried install the rpm for jdk-6 which i downloaded from sun, but when i ran ./jdk-blah, it told me "rpm not found"
[02:53] <frank__> hi all
[02:53] <blar> any ideas?
[02:53] <Jucato> well, you can't install rpm's on Deb-based systems directly
[02:53] <Jucato> !rpm
[02:53] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[02:53] <blar> ahhh
[02:54] <wedgeV> blar: there is a java package builder for debian
[02:54] <wedgeV> blar: i dont know if it works for version 6 though
[02:54] <wedgeV> blar: it needs the tar.gz file iirc
[02:54] <blar> ok, so i probably just have to stick with jdk-5 then
[02:54] <blar> thanks guys
[02:57] <riccardo_> kopete it's not working now with msn account isn't it?
[02:58] <Jucato> yes
[03:06] <riccardo_> how can I install resolv.conf?
[03:06] <riccardo_> i don't know what happens but there isn't in the folder /etc
[03:07] <Jucato> :O
[03:07] <riccardo_> :)
[03:07] <riccardo_> how can i do?
[03:07] <riccardo_> internet without resolv.conf is locked
[03:07] <Jucato> I think you can just make the file...
[03:07] <Jucato> all it contains are two lines with nameserver
[03:07] <riccardo_> i tried
[03:08] <Jucato> and?
[03:08] <riccardo_> but said that it's impossible to write in the etc folder
[03:08] <riccardo_> i tried to write in my desktop
[03:08] <riccardo_> and also cut and paste doesn't work
[03:08] <Jucato> oh you need to use sudo or kdesu to do that
[03:08] <Jucato> root privileges
[03:08] <riccardo_> yes
[03:09] <riccardo_> could you please send me the correct sintax to send the command?
[03:09] <riccardo_> to restore my resolv.conf
[03:09] <Jucato> in the command line, you can use nano: sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[03:09] <riccardo_> thanks ^^
[03:09] <Jucato> that will open the nano text editor. Ctrl+O to writeOut/save, Ctrl+X to exit
[03:14] <rich8495> When I try to turn off my pc in dapper 6.06 it won't turn off my computer
[03:14] <rich8495> I'm left with a black screen
[03:14] <rich8495> I just upgraded my video card drivers but I doubt its related
[03:15] <fiandre> I have this pci sound card: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01). Unfortunately it's onboard on a very "windows friend" motherboard and therefore it doesn't work correctly.  So: do you know where I can find the drivers? thnks
[03:17] <blar> has anyone here worked with the google web toolkit?  i'm getting lots of exceptions when i try to compile the KitchenSink sample
[03:19] <ubuntu> ola
[03:20] <ubuntu> hi
[03:23] <wildchild> hello all
[03:23] <wildchild> I am having one giant problem
[03:23] <wildchild> I changed some settings for monitor in sytem settings monitor..
[03:23] <wildchild> and now kubuntu can't get into graphic mode
[03:24] <wildchild> and now I use xp :(
[03:25] <buz> !openoffice
[03:26] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[03:26] <buz> are there any OOo 2.1 debs?
[03:28] <Raumkraut> wildchild: in /etc/X11, the xorg.conf file should've been backed up with previous settings. If you `cp xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf`, you should get back to the settings you had before the last change was made
[03:29] <wildchild> Raumkrauft: I didn't make copy :s
[03:29] <wildchild> couse I change this in system settings..
[03:29] <wildchild> I've just changed resolution or refreshing...
[03:29] <Raumkraut> if you used the GUI, it should've made a backup itself..?
[03:30] <wildchild> don't know..
[03:30] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me how to reinstall grub without a functional linux running?
[03:30] <wildchild> don't know what GUI means
[03:30] <Raumkraut> GUI = Graphical User Interface :)
[03:30] <wildchild> aha
[03:30] <wildchild> :>
[03:30] <wildchild> so I just, cp xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf
[03:31] <Raumkraut> actually, I didn't use the GUI, and it made a backup
[03:31] <wildchild> in /etc/X11
[03:31] <Raumkraut> assuming you haven't tried to make any changes since, yeah
[03:31] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me how to reinstall grub without a functional linux running?
[03:31] <Jucato> !grub
[03:31] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:32] <wildchild> Raumkraut: tnx, I'll give a try
[03:34] <ubuntu> @ubotu  Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no
[03:34] <zzz7433> sudo shutodown -h now doesnt work
[03:34] <zzz7433> I cna't turn off my computer without manually pressing the button    :(
[03:35] <Jucato> ubuntu: ubotu is a bot
[03:35] <ubuntu> @jucato and you are the bot who tells that? :-)
[03:35] <ubuntu> @jucato no sry, thanks
[03:35] <Jucato> no I'm not a bot
[03:37] <panse> can anyone help me? I try to get my wlan running, but if I want to install the driver, ndiswrapper says, that the driver is invalid :( I took the rt73.inf for my Sitecom WL113 usb...plz help :(
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> rt?  is that ralink?
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> (i ask because my ralink is rt2500)
[03:39] <panse> On the ndiswrapper wiki stodd, that Sitecom is running with the rt73..
[03:40] <panse> There also stood that I nee dthe rt73.inf and ~.sys ..but I didnt found the sys..I only took the inf-file, but ndisw. said that the driver is invaled
[03:41] <andrea_> hello
[03:42] <andrea_> i am freking out... :S
[03:42] <andrea_> i had to reinstall kubuntu on a secondary HD since my primary one started mulfunctioning
[03:42] <andrea_> i am reconfiguring my whole system.. however.. i don't understand fstab file..
[03:42] <andrea_> what are those new UUID=
[03:42] <andrea_> lines?
[03:42] <panse> my kubuntu is running well...except the wlan :(
[03:43] <andrea_> wlan works fine for me
[03:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:44] <ubuntu_> grup installation
[03:44] <andrea_> so, somebody can tell me what are those attributes in the fstab?
[03:45] <panse> i have probs with the wlan driver
[03:46] <BluesKaj> anyone using devede27 ? I'm having audio probs with digital hash transfering into white noise during conversion from avi to mpeg .The video is fine.
[03:48] <wildchild> it's working :>
[03:48] <wildchild> I love linux...
[03:48] <Raumkraut> :D
[03:49] <wildchild> useful tip about xorg backup :)
[03:49] <wildchild> hm..
[03:49] <wildchild> I got another q
[03:49] <wildchild> connected with last one
[03:49] <wildchild> couse I have 2 monitors
[03:49] <ubuntu_> can anybody tell me how to install grub without a functional linux running
[03:49] <wildchild> one LCD and one SRT
[03:49] <Raumkraut> aye?
[03:49] <wildchild> and only LCD works
[03:49] <wildchild> I wanna extended version
[03:49] <wildchild> or option
[03:50] <minikoma> hello all
[03:50] <Raumkraut> do you have an nvidia gfx card?
[03:50] <wildchild> yes
[03:50] <Raumkraut> *phew*
[03:50] <wildchild> fx 5500
[03:50] <wildchild> (I don't have installed drivers.. I think..)
[03:51] <rich5344> man, my compute rwon't shut down, just goes black..
[03:51] <rich5344> I think it was an update from adept that did it but I can't remember which one
[03:51] <Raumkraut> do a search for "twinview ubuntu" on google, that should get you somewhere
[03:52] <Raumkraut> you'll need the nvidia drivers for that though
[03:53] <Raumkraut> or "xinerama ubuntu" if you can't/won't install the nvidia drivers
[03:53] <Raumkraut> though I've no experience with Xinerama
[03:54] <wildchild> k
[03:54] <wildchild> if something gety wrong U just cp xorg.1.conf xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[03:55] <tony_> hi guys.. kubuntu edgy 6.10 .. since i installed this OS , using any brwoser , my website brwosing is very slow .. I googled around
[03:55] <Raumkraut> personally I always make a manual backup of xorg.conf when I know it's in a working state. ;)
[03:55] <tony_> it seems to be ipv6.. with i have disabled that ..
[03:55] <tony_> but still slow
[03:56] <wildchild> Raumkraut: good idea :)
[03:56] <BluesKaj> tony , it's slower than windows, yes , but safer
[03:57] <tony_> anyidea why i been experiancing this ???? im on broadband
[03:57] <BluesKaj> so am I ..and it depends what you mean by slow ?
[03:57] <BluesKaj> \
[03:58] <tony_> well, clicking on a link from google to move to a site takes few seconds on linux , but window . is very fast ..
[03:58] <damaltor> hello
[03:58] <tony_> maybe 10 to 15 seconds before i go to the page. which is then is blank and i have to wait till whole thing load
[03:59] <damaltor> can anybody tell me if (k)ubunto 6.10 supports hfs+ file systems, used by apples ipod?
[03:59] <Lynoure> tony_: have you visited the page earlier with windows? It might have been in your cache or your ISPs proxy
[04:00] <damaltor> @tony_: try to use firefox instead of konqueror. helped for me
[04:00] <tony_> no .. i have tested that as well, cleaned catch and newest website .
[04:00] <tony_> im using firefox
[04:00] <damaltor> oh
[04:00] <damaltor> kk
[04:00] <BluesKaj> yeah  tony that's normal for linux , even on a fast pc and broadband connection ..lots of pages are written for IE which is less specific about it's HTML rules , hence it loads faster
[04:00] <tony_> ff on linux is slow but on window is blazing fast
[04:00] <damaltor> can anybody tell me if (k)ubuntu 6.10 supports hfs+ file systems, used by apples ipod?
[04:00] <damaltor> my firefox is even faster than the win one
[04:01] <tony_> i think browsers are not dependent to OS .. they have thier own engin ??
[04:01] <damaltor> i dunno
[04:01] <damaltor> =)
[04:01] <damaltor> but works
[04:01] <tony_> hummm :(
[04:02] <tony_> i used ff, konqueror, and opera.. they all the same .
[04:03] <tony_> it might be my DSL modem . maybe is not supporting something on linux.. ? :S
[04:04] <damaltor> i dont think so...
[04:04] <Lynoure> !ipv6
[04:04] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[04:04] <damaltor> the dsl modem just transfers data
[04:04] <Lynoure> tony_: That could be relevant.
[04:04] <tony_> thaks , will check that one out now
[04:04] <BluesKaj> tony it's aresult of how the HTML code is written on pages IE is more forgiving of mistakes so it's faster ...FF is slow to load some sites because of that ...that's my understanding of it.
[04:05] <tony_> but why FF has no problme on window ??
[04:05] <tony_> i have no problme with FF On window
[04:05] <tony_> same version
[04:06] <Lynoure> tony_: It's not the same binary, not the same device drivers, not the same network stack. Many many things different.
[04:07] <tony_> Lynoure i see. thanks for this info
[04:08] <Lynoure> tony_: I have been assuming this happens with multiple sites, or perhaps all. Does it? (If not, it might also be that the site checks for Windows and muses over it a bit after not finding the client to be on Windows)
[04:09] <tony_> Lynoure it might be .., almost all sites that i visit using FF and linux is slow.. but same sites on window is fast.. .. so i only assume something wrong with my configuration
[04:10] <Lynoure> tony_: Try disabling the ipv6, it should not harm anything
[04:12] <tony_> Thanks. i just did that , i need to reboot the system as per ubuntu instruction .
[04:15] <tony_> if i stop and restart KDM from consol , has the same effect as rebooting the system ????
[04:17] <kubuntian> guys
[04:17] <kubuntian> how do i "automatically" refresh the kde menu?
[04:17] <kubuntian> i will explain..
[04:18] <kubuntian> i moved back to kde from xfce.. and i overwrited by mistake the kde menu,..
[04:18] <Jucato> run "kbuildsycoca" in Konsole?
[04:18] <kubuntian> where the kde menu file is located?
[04:18] <kubuntian> i need to delete it by hand and rebuild it right?
[04:19] <lost> mmmmmmmmmm
[04:19] <lost> 
[04:19] <lost> mmmmmmmmmmm*
[04:19] <lost> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[04:19] <Jucato> lost please stop that
[04:19] <BluesKaj> thx Lynoure, that slow browsing site thing ... the instructions for mozilla work for FF ..much quicker now
[04:19] <tony_> YES.. it did
[04:19] <tony_> thanks
[04:20] <tony_> now FF is super fast :)
[04:20] <Jucato> kubuntian: not really sure, but there's a file in ~/.config/menus named something like applications.menu... if you rename/remove/move that (I suggest move...) it might reset your K Menu
[04:20] <BluesKaj> din't know that ipv6 was default ...it's still not used much
[04:21] <BluesKaj> on the net
[04:23] <denis> hallo
[04:24] <tony_> what is the file called bad_list ????
[04:24] <denis> I have a problem with easy ubuntu
[04:24] <denis> and my program DB
[04:24] <tony_> i used the trick to disable the IPV6  by entring a line to bad_list .. but that aint working .
[04:25] <tony_> it should be or created i guess in /etc/modprobe.d/
[04:26] <denis> hello?
[04:26] <denis> any help here?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> tony, you have to follow the instructions for the mozilla browser...scroll down and you'll find it
[04:27] <tony_> i did  and it did work
[04:27] <BluesKaj> FIrefox is classed as a Mozilla browser
[04:28] <tony_> but just if you use other browser . that wont be the case .
[04:28] <tony_> im just curiouse :)
[04:28] <tony_> i think i have to follow the dapper instruction . that brings up lots of stuff about aliases
[04:29] <BluesKaj> tony are you running edgy or dapper
[04:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> OK
[04:30] <tony_> im using edgy
[04:30] <reagleBRKLN> running kubuntu edgy: beagle/kerry weren't indexing MS Word files evidently, installed wv, but now what?
[04:30] <tony_> in instruction it asked about bad_list . thats not avalible in edgy . in dapper , it asked aliases which is avalible
[04:31] <fiandre> Hi.. i haven't resolved yet: my sound card is installed but it doesn't work well. It adds a whistle to the audio; it's "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)" (got from lspci). this card is onboard on a very "windows friend" motherboard. any suggestion? thnks
[04:33] <denis> ok, my question: as I am a newbie I don*t have a clue of Linux but I have a problem with the package management and with easy ubuntu
[04:34] <denis> easy ubuntu doesn`t start after I entered my password
[04:36] <denis> bitte?
[04:36] <kraut> !xgl
[04:36] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:36] <sivaji_2009> what is the command to login in consol
[04:37] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
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[04:37] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: what do you mean?
[04:37] <tony_> using consol to stop kdm has a same effect as if i turn off my computer and restart it ?????
[04:37] <Jucato> tony_: not really. it only stops X and everything connected to X
[04:37] <sivaji_2009> how to login when i start in consol
[04:38] <sivaji_2009> how to login when i start(boot) in consol
[04:38] <tony_> thanks. , so i guess i realy need to reboot
[04:38] <denis> anybody a clue of paket management?
[04:38] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: you will be presented with a login prompt, where you can type in your user name and password
[04:38] <Magus_Agnus> hi, i have a problem with adept manager, all the time i try to install a program it says there is a error while commiting changes... how can i fix it?
[04:39] <denis> hehe, I have almost the same problem
[04:39] <sivaji_2009> tell me what is the use of command "login"
[04:39] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: hm. basically, you can't type any command if you haven't logged in yet...
[04:40] <sivaji_2009> magus check repositaries
[04:40] <Jucato> man login: is used to establish a new session with the system. It is normally invoked automatically by responding to the login: prompt on the user's terminal. login may be special to the shell and may not be invoked as a sub-process. Typically, login is treated by the shell as exec login which causes the user to exit from the current shell. Attempting to execute login from any shell but the login shell will produce an error message.
[04:40] <Magus_Agnus> sivaji_2009: update the repositories?
[04:41] <sivaji_2009> make i clear i cant understand
[04:41] <denis> my repositories are fine
[04:41] <Magus_Agnus> mine too
[04:42] <sivaji_2009> sudo apt-get update
[04:42] <denis> adept saya my java packages are broken
[04:42] <denis> says
[04:42] <denis> and since then I can t get rid of them
[04:42] <sivaji_2009> request for reinstall or puring
[04:43] <Jucato> denis: try running this command in Konsole: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[04:43] <denis> because sudo apt-get update sais that it cant lock the administration directory
[04:43] <denis> ok, I will try
[04:44] <denis> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:44] <Magus_Agnus> Jucato: i typed as u said and returned with error
[04:44] <denis> oh wrong window ;-)
[04:44] <Magus_Agnus> in some packages
[04:44] <sivaji_2009> what is the diff b/w  apt-get update and upgrade
[04:44] <Jucato> Magus_Agnus: hm... how about "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[04:45] <denis> jucato: same answer as before
[04:45] <apokryphos> sivaji_2009: update refreshes your sources list, upgrade actually upgrades the packages you have.
[04:45] <denis> db-area blocked by another process
[04:45] <siteez> Hi
[04:45] <denis> hello
[04:45] <apokryphos> sivaji_2009: or, more correctly, update refreshes your sources from the sources.list
[04:46] <Magus_Agnus> Jucato: error in 2 packages compiz and compiz-plugins = returned with error (1)
[04:46] <Jucato> denis: how about "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[04:47] <tony_> well, good news,I can now brows with FF , opera pretty fast , after disabling IPV6 :)
[04:47] <denis> same answer: cant lock administration directory
[04:47] <Jucato> denis: is Adept still running?
[04:48] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | denis
[04:48] <ubotu> denis: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:48] <denis> no
[04:48] <Jucato> try running those commands
[04:48] <denis> ok
[04:49] <Magus_Agnus> Jucato: compiz-plugin is a bloken package, is there a way to remove it?
[04:49] <sivaji_2009>  actually how  virus works ?
[04:49] <denis> ah, it asks me to kill the process 5137
[04:49] <Jucato> denis: then kill it :)
[04:49] <denis> i guess YES?
[04:49] <denis> ok
[04:49] <sivaji_2009> sudo kill -9 5137
[04:49] <reagleBRKLN> running kubuntu edgy: beagle/kerry weren't indexing MS Word files evidently, installed wv, but now what?
[04:50] <Jucato> Magus_Agnus: try "sudo apt-get remove compiz-plugin"? not really sure..
[04:50] <denis> ah, its working
[04:50] <denis> ok, 3 errors
[04:51] <denis> one wonders me a bit because the program runed fine yesterday
[04:51] <denis> skype
[04:51] <denis>  msttcorefonts
[04:51] <denis>  flashplugin-nonfree
[04:51] <denis> all packages from easy ubuntu
[04:52] <denis> so I think I should trry to remve them
[04:52] <denis> by console or by easy ubunt?
[04:52] <Jucato> easyubuntu....
[04:52] <denis> u
[04:52] <Jucato> you could try asking in #easyubuntu...
[04:52] <denis> you dont like it?
[04:53] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
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[04:53] <Jucato> I don't dislike it. I just don't use it... so I don't know how it works under the hood
[04:53] <denis> ubotu is a bot?
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <denis> ah ok
[04:53] <Jucato> yes
[04:53] <Jucato> it's a bot
[04:54] <denis> ah, I was wondering how fast he/ it is
[04:54] <linx-> to find out whether a wrong driver selection was causing graphical problems i changed the x.org driver from vesa to vga.. but now x.org won't run anymore.. how can i revert back to the vesa driver ?
[04:56] <denis> I think I will try it with easy ubuntu
[04:56] <Magus_Agnus> is there a way to rebuild the packages database?
[04:57] <Jucato> linx-: edit your xorg.conf to change the driver to "vesa" again? or run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:57] <linx-> i sort off guessed the first.. but forgot where xorg.conf is
[04:58] <denis> cant start easy ubuntu
[04:58] <Jucato>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <denis> I will try it by console
[04:58] <linx-> thx Jucato
[04:59] <denis> J
[04:59] <denis> sorry
[05:00] <denis> back
[05:01] <denis> I tried it with sudo apt-get remove skype
[05:01] <denis> but: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:02] <denis> seems like skype depens on flash 9 and ms fonts...???
[05:02] <wildchild> k3b did not find a suitable writer you wull only be able to create an image! But I wanna make DVD data project
[05:02] <wildchild> will*
[05:02] <denis> skype doesnt need both of them as fare as I know
[05:02] <buz> skype deb is pretty much self contained
[05:03] <buz> might need qt, not sure about that
[05:05] <denis> I will ask in the easy ubuntu channel
[05:05] <denis> thanks
[05:07] <frojnd> so... how can I add device that k3b will be able to write..
[05:07] <frojnd> /dev/cdrom doesn't work if I add it
[05:08] <linx-> in console mode.. how do i start the xorg server when it has not been started at boot ?
[05:09] <adz21c> linx-: startx
[05:09] <linx-> thx adz21c
[05:09] <ForgeAus> I keep filling up hard drives! lol
[05:12] <kulbir> when i click on system services i get error msg.
[05:12] <kulbir> http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error1ir1.png
[05:12] <kulbir> plz help
[05:13] <kulbir> any idea?
[05:19] <TheGateKeeper> frojnd: go into devices in your settings & try pressing refresh
[05:19] <EagleOne> Nice. A large community
[05:19] <frojnd> TheGateKeeper: u will LOL after this :
[05:19] <frojnd> my cdrom wasn't connected witd IDE cable LOL
[05:19] <frojnd> so that's why cd wasn't recognized..
[05:19] <frojnd> :P
[05:20] <frojnd> I am going to connect it now
[05:20] <TheGateKeeper> rofl
[05:26] <xenol> hey wat for is kpilot good?
[05:26] <buz> talks to a palm pilot
[05:27] <xenol> and is that? :)
[05:27] <xenol> wat is*
[05:28] <rizwaan>  error: linux/namespace.h: No such file or directory
[05:28] <rizwaan> feisty .. kernel 2.6.20
[05:28] <rysiek|pl> guys, asked that question on #ubuntu, but no response, maybe someone here will help:
[05:28] <rysiek|pl>  need some help with upstart - I am setting an encrypted partition, and upon being mounted it asks for a passphrase; now, seems like upstart feeds it some random stuff and the partition does not get mounted properly
[05:29] <rysiek|pl> seems like upstart simply makes it impossible for an init script to be interactive
[05:29] <trappist> init scripts shouldn't be interactive, generally
[05:30] <trappist> I guess this is the one time I can think of where maybe it should be
[05:30] <rizwaan> if you need to enter the password use "script < pass.txt" where pass.txt holds the password
[05:30] <trappist> rizwaan: that would pretty much defeat the purpose of an encrypted fs
[05:31] <rizwaan> yeah ;)
[05:31] <rysiek|pl> :)\
[05:33] <rysiek|pl> trappist: so, any ideas? I thought about making a script that runs the passphrase-asking command in a screen session, so that I can screen -r later and input it, but - heck! - I just can run the command manually later, so what's the point for screen
[05:33] <trappist> rysiek|pl: can you not just use fstab?
[05:34] <rysiek|pl> trappist: I'm not using fstab. *before* fstab can be used on that particular partition another command has to be run
[05:35] <rysiek|pl> trappist: so the problem really is how to run a command in upstart's init script so that it can ask for a passphrase - and get it.
[05:35] <trappist> rysiek|pl: maybe you could add your script to /etc/rc.local
[05:35] <rysiek|pl> trappist: eh... that would be great, but those script are also run by usptart, aren't they
[05:36] <trappist> rysiek|pl: yes, but indirectly, so it may work
[05:36] <rysiek|pl> trappist: ok, didn't know that. I'll give it a shot
[05:47] <ubuntu_> hey
[05:47] <xenol> plz why does every KDE based program from time to time stop working and ask me to terminate it? i have dapper and kde 3.5.5 updates
[05:47] <ubuntu_> can i play to battlefield if ihave linux ?
[05:48] <ubuntu_> or do anything what ican do to windows ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Cedega/wine  can let ya play it.
[05:48] <ubuntu_> where i can get messenger to linux ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> 'anything' is rather broad.. :) SOME things can work with wine and/or cedega
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Theres dozens of IM clients out for linux. gaim is very popular, and theres others
[05:48] <ubuntu_> :D
[05:49] <rysiek|pl> Dr_willis: rather: some things WON'T work with wine/cedega :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> ryanakca,  lately ive had things that used to work.. stop working. :(
[05:49] <Alter-Ego> i am having trouble with bluefish, i had problems with this once before and corrected it.  i believe bluefish is asking for a program that is not installed to save
[05:49] <ubuntu_> but can i use msn messenger and how ican change to quakenet server about irc ?
[05:49] <joni> does The Sims work with Cedega?
[05:49] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: and there are some games for linux too - UT2004, Q3Arena, Q4, ...
[05:49] <ForgeAus> does kubuntu work with XFS?
[05:50] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: GAIM has support for MSN AFAIK
[05:50] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: yes
[05:50] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: Kopete too
[05:50] <ForgeAus> so that guy on the other day thomas or whatever we could have suggested XFS instead of the RiserFS he was pushing for?
[05:51] <rysiek|pl> joni: why don't you try it? :) or google for it - besides, I am sure that on the official Cedega webpage there  is a list of apps working (www.transgaming.com)
[05:51] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: yep. Although ReiserFS4 would be better, AFAIK. it isn't stable yet, though
[05:52] <Ash-Fox> Is it just me who cannot resolve security.ubuntu.com ?
[05:52] <ubuntu_> jcan use messenger when ihave linux ?????
[05:52] <ForgeAus> um I think he was just on about standard reiser fs not the 4 one... but I could b wrong
[05:52] <rysiek|pl> trappist: it doesn't work. the script get's executed (date > /etc/some_file ;) ), but it doesn't  get a chance of receiving the passphrase
[05:52] <ForgeAus> how does xfs compare to ext3? zenwalk makes it sound godly!
[05:53] <HymnToLife> Ash-Fox, seems so
[05:53] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: yes. you can use other clients to connect to your MSN account
[05:53] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: wikipedia, I'd suggest
[05:53] <ForgeAus> hehe rysiek :) thanx...
[05:53] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: lemme guess - you've got DHCP and security.ubuntu.com resolves to 1.0.0.0?
[05:54] <Alter-Ego> what is esd ?
[05:54] <Ash-Fox> rysiek|pl, nope. I use static, and it doesn't resolve at all :)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  when you say 'messenger' you are refering to what exactly "microsoft msn messenger" ? i doubt if that will run with cedega or wine. Its  too locked into other parts of windows os.
[05:54] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: no prob, that was simply the best advice, really - there are soe great benchmarks on wikipedia
[05:55] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: ah, well... thought you had the same problem I had yesterday ;)
[05:55] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: lemme check
[05:55] <fdoving> Alter-Ego: enligtened sound daemon, the sound daemon used in gnome.
[05:55] <assipat> slt
[05:56] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: works for me. if you need the IP: 82.211.81.138 (you can temporarily paste it into /etc/hosts if you need it bad right now)
[05:57] <kblack> Hello there
[05:57] <kblack> how are you my guys
[05:57] <kblack> ?
[05:57] <rysiek|pl> any new ideas with the upstart problem? I'm really stuck here :/
[05:59] <ForgeAus> um ex2ifs isn't going to read xfs tho is it?
[06:00] <fdoving> ForgeAus: no, it wont.
[06:00] <ForgeAus> hmm so I cant mount my zenwalk disk under XP in that case
[06:01] <ForgeAus> (seemed to work as ext3 and even seemed to work for reiserFS - havn't tried the 4 vers yet)
[06:02] <ForgeAus> hmmm zenwalk is slackware based :(
[06:04] <rysiek|pl> cu all, gtg
[06:04] <ForgeAus> is it just me or is slackware left a little behind compared to current redhat or ubuntu based distros?
[06:05] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, define "behind"...
[06:05] <ForgeAus> or was that just the repostiory Wolvix was pointing me to?
[06:05] <ForgeAus> kubuntu seemed to have newer more updated software libraries...
[06:06] <HymnToLife> well, Slackware is a more "geeky" distro
[06:06] <HymnToLife> so most Slack users compile from source anyway
[06:06] <fdoving> ForgeAus: you can try this -> http://www.crossmeta.com/ for xfs support in windows. never tried it though.
[06:10] <ForgeAus> lol like Lunar? thats like menu-driven gentoo!
[06:11] <fiandre> i'm searching for a package such as hsfmodem_{version}_{arch}.deb ... which could be the repository? thnks
[06:15] <fdoving> fiandre: try searching http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <fiandre> fdoving: already done. no results
[06:16] <fdoving> fiandre: you can always check apt-get.org, i won't guarantee the quality of the packages though.
[06:18] <fiandre> fdoving: let's try
[06:25] <revolution27> can anyone tell me how to install nvidia drivers
[06:26] <Jucato> !nvidia | revolution27
[06:26] <ubotu> revolution27: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:26] <revolution27> oh lol thanks
[06:26] <revolution27> forgot the bot
[06:27] <Jucato> ;)
[06:31] <vado> Hi`
[06:33] <vado> bonne anne tout a : )=
[06:35] <galathalion> i need a picture slideshow program
[06:35] <Jucato> !fr | vado
[06:35] <ubotu> vado: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:35] <Jucato> galathalion: OpenOffice.org Impress or KPresenter?
[06:38] <vado> !fr yourself Jucato
[06:38] <Jucato> oh sorry, thought that was french
[06:39] <Adam123Z> Anyone have any idea where I can download the Lexmark K600 driver :(  The lexmark website is b0rked and leads to a 404
[06:39] <Adam123Z> Z600 even, not K.
[06:40] <galathalion> Jucato: i just wanna look at my pictures without having to click thru the whole folder
[06:40] <Alter-Ego> is there a office application server for linux?  ie, serve up a word program by logging into the local server?
[06:40] <Jucato> galathalion: doesn't gwenview have a slideshow feature?
[06:41] <Jucato> hm.. anyway... have to go now...
[06:41] <BTR> Hi, i want to try gnome instead of kde, how do i download gnome via adept?
[06:42] <galathalion> Jucato: thanks ^^
[06:45] <amir> after reformating my computer my sound won't work, How do I get it to work again?
[06:48] <bubu1uk> BTR: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or find that package in adept
[06:50] <amir> !sound
[06:50] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:00] <revolution27> Adept is giving me this error :( but i don't know what it's talking about.. i have nothing open.. please help  You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database
[07:01] <bubu1uk> revolution27: there is some other process running that uses package database. check what's running.
[07:01] <revolution27> yeh but i don't know what's running :(
[07:02] <bubu1uk> aint' there another adept running?
[07:03] <user__> Hello, I'm setting up this computer for my mother and she's french, but she doesn't know how to do french accents on her letters.  Can anyone help? I can't really use the Kubuntu FR channel as I don't speak french -.-'...
[07:03] <revolution27> how do i find all programs runnig ?
[07:03] <bubu1uk> top
[07:03] <hydr0x> or ps -A
[07:04] <bubu1uk> or in GUI ksysguard
[07:04] <revolution27> yeh i went to sysguard but i can't figure out what's causing the problem
[07:05] <bubu1uk> try to close opened adept and check then if no other is running
[07:05] <JohnFlux> revolution27: look for a dpkg or apt-get  or adept
[07:06] <hydr0x> Hey, I'm having a problem with my KDE desktop [the literal desktop part]  if anyone dosen't mind helping?
[07:07] <hydr0x> When I save something to the desktop, it dosen't appear on it until I right click on the desktop and make a new file / directory
[07:07] <revolution27> apt-index-watch is the only one i can think of
[07:10] <bubu1uk> revolution27: when u try to use apt-get thru console, u get same error?
[07:10] <revolution27> should i kill that?
[07:10] <revolution27> i'll try
[07:10] <fox_> how do i switch back to root users in the terminal
[07:10] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | revolution27
[07:10] <revolution27> no... no error as far as i see
[07:10] <ubotu> revolution27: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:11] <fdoving> you don't need to kill apt-index-watcher.
[07:11] <bubu1uk> fdoving: dont think revolution27 have exactly that problem.
[07:12] <bubu1uk> doesn't seem to be locked only used by other process
[07:12] <revolution27> maybe i dunno
[07:12] <revolution27> i'm trying it anyway
[07:12] <fdoving> bubu1uk: that -IS- the problem.
[07:12] <fdoving> that is also the solution.
[07:12] <revolution27> :)
[07:12] <bubu1uk> k
[07:13] <_Shade_> can i reload my kicker somehow?
[07:13] <fdoving> the commdn 'fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock' will check what uses the dpkg-databse, and ask you if you want to kill it or not.
[07:13] <fox_> has anyone tryed to install Teamspeak on Ubuntu before ?
[07:13] <revolution27> sorry for being such a noob
[07:13] <fdoving> _Shade_: yes, kmenu -> run command -> 'dcop kicker kicker restart'
[07:14] <_Shade_> fdoving: thanks, but it doesn't help anyways :)
[07:15] <fdoving> _Shade_: what's the problem then?
[07:15] <_Shade_> my kicker crashes when i run beryl. What's wrong?
[07:15] <fdoving> don't know, i don't do beryl.
[07:20] <_Shade_> !beryl
[07:20] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:30] <jordo23> does anyone here run 64 bit kubuntu?
[07:30] <Khybrid> 64 bit wouldnt load on my imac =(
[07:31] <revolution27> i do.. but dont ask me any questions lol
[07:31] <Khybrid> lol
[07:41] <west_coast> anyone from greece?
[07:43] <revolution27> just saying thanks to everybody.. my adept is working and my  nvidia drivers are installed
[07:44] <fdoving> you're welcome revolution27. i'm glad you got it all sorted out :)
[07:46] <jordo23> revolution27: Did you get flash working for Konqueror?
[07:47] <jordo23> Has anyone here running a 64 but version of Kubuntu made flash or java work with Konq?
[07:49] <ironfroggy> my wife downloaded some fonts she wants to use and i have no idea what to do with them
[07:52] <we6jbo> hi
[07:53] <|Laem|1Raven> hi every1, i need some documentation for installing a usb cable modem on kubuntu
[07:53] <we6jbo> I have a question
[07:53] <EagleOne> Is this the channel to get some help on kubuntu or is there a special help room
[07:53] <jordo23> EagleOne: This is the correct channel
[07:53] <EagleOne> thankyou jordo
[07:54] <Khybrid> we6jbo: just ask
[07:54] <jordo23> Whats your question?
[07:54] <fdoving> ironfroggy: kmenu -> run command -> 'kcmshell kcmfontinst'
[07:54] <we6jbo> How do you enable SNTP on Ubuntu?
[07:54] <EagleOne> I have installed a new eSATA and wonder if I install kubuntu on it can I boot to it?
[07:56] <|Laem|1Raven> can anyone help me setup my usb cable modem? :/
[07:56] <EagleOne> k Let me give more info. it's a 500G eSata hooked up via USB and I'm presently formatting NTFS
[07:57] <|Laem|1Raven> :/
[07:59] <|Laem|1Raven> nobody? :(
[08:00] <dhq> !mldonkey
[08:00] <EagleOne> lol
[08:00] <dhq> i need help in kmldonkey
[08:08] <sleepy4536> This never happened before, I can't turn off Kubuntu. I can't reboot it, or anything, it just goes to a black screen and I have to turn off my pc manually, what could be causing this?
[08:11] <|Laem|1Raven> could anybody help me with my cable modem pls? :/
[08:17] <mildner> does anybody how to repair the update
[08:21] <fdoving> mildner: what's wrong with the update?
[08:23] <ForgeAus> oh my god!
[08:23] <BTR> Hi, i have upgraded my kubuntu dapper to edgy, atleast i think - how can i be sure of wich version i have?
[08:23] <ForgeAus> I just validated WGA in LINUX!
[08:24] <mildner> fdoving: my update is not running anymore
[08:24] <intelikey> yestergo i had a strange thing happen    i did cat /bin/bash   and let'r run  just to listen to the beeps   but after 30 seconds or so it started rising all kinds of rukkus with the hd   (one might think cron or at but i don't run them)  so i killed it.  but i can't seem to find just what it was doing.     ?
[08:24] <mildner> tells me another prozess iss running
[08:24] <fdoving> BTR: from konsole, run 'lsb_release -r'
[08:24] <ForgeAus> seems like wine is genuine! :)
[08:24] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | mildner
[08:24] <ubotu> mildner: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[08:25] <intelikey> BTR also the running kernel version   uname -a   dapper is 2.6.15 edgy is 2.6.17
[08:26] <BTR> fdoving: Release:        6.10 <-- is that edgy?
[08:26] <fdoving> BTR: yes, it is.
[08:26] <fdoving> BTR: you can do 'lsb_release -rc' to see the codename too.
[08:26] <intelikey> or -a
[08:27] <mildner> ubotu: thank you, I guess its the VMware player what I tried to install....how can I remove it?
[08:27] <sleepy4536> whats the site to upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[08:27] <fdoving> !upgrade | sleepy4536
[08:28] <ubotu> sleepy4536: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[08:28] <sleepy4536> thanks
[08:28] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[08:28] <sleepy4536> only problem is it might not work, currently I can't reboot my computer or anyting
[08:28] <sleepy4536> it won't turn of when I press the button
[08:28] <sleepy4536> or reboot even :( just hangs on a black screen
[08:29] <intelikey> try [alt] +[SysRQ] +[B] 
[08:32] <sleepy4536> that worked, thanks, now how do I fix the buttons to reboot and the turn off button
[08:32] <intelikey> fix the buttons ???
[08:33] <|Laem|1Raven> can anybody help me with my cable modem?
[08:33] <sleepy4536> intelikey, my computer doesn't turn off when I press "Turn off computer"
[08:33] <sleepy4536> or restart button either
[08:34] <|Laem|1Raven> please :/
[08:35] <BTR> Is the free cd-roms from ship-it, completely free? no hidden fees+
[08:36] <adz21c> sleepy4536: do you get a blank screen? it nothing happens and KDE runs as normal or what?
[08:36] <fdoving> |Laem|1Raven: what kind of cable modem?
[08:36] <sleepy4536> nothing happens, it's just a black screen
[08:37] <intelikey> sleepy4536 if you are refering to the kde selections 'turn off...' and  'restart...'  you'll probably have to edit /etc/init.d/halt   but if you are refering to the phisical buttons on the box.  they are fixed.   the problem is that linux doesn't use bios after it boots    well not much of it anyway.
[08:37] <fdoving> BTR: completely free, though you'll get dapper, edgy is not available from ship-it, afaik.
[08:37] <karmikaze> !dvd play
[08:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd play - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:37] <karmikaze> !dvd
[08:37] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:38] <intelikey> sleepy4536 there is an alternate system call for the kernel to use to halt or reboot the system    i haven't played with it though.    google might help  or searching in the kernel docs
[08:39] <sleepy4536> what am I looking to change in /etc/init.d/halt?
[08:40] <foob> how can i make it so i have to double-click files in konq for them to load ? the single clicking thing is no fun
[08:40] <intelikey> idk  do the searchs
[08:40] <fdoving> foob: have a look at: kmenu -> system settings -> keyboard & mouse -> mouse
[08:41] <mildner> I still have problems to run the adept manager
[08:41] <mildner> tells me always there are conflicts
[08:41] <foob> thanks fdoving i was expecting it to be in konq's settings heh
[08:41] <sleepy4536> how do i stop programs from popping up when I reboot or turn on computer
[08:42] <ubuntu> salut tout le monde
[08:42] <intelikey> sleepy4536 set kde to only restore a session you select    or not at all
[08:42] <karmikaze> :/
[08:42] <karmikaze> dvd problems
[08:43] <sleepy4536> where can I find this setting?
[08:43] <intelikey> kmenu -> system settings ->
[08:45] <foob> everything seems to be in system settings, which is actually a good thing once i get used to it
[08:45] <foob> then you can always just figure to go look there first heh
[08:45] <sleepy4536> after system settings whats the last option? lots of stuff in there
[08:47] <intelikey> sessions maybe ?
[08:47] <intelikey> boot options ?
[08:48] <intelikey> i'm not sure it's in kcontrol
[08:48] <sleepy4536> found it, how do I manually save my desktop? I deseleced "restore previous session"
[08:48] <intelikey> that's the setting that will restart what ever was running when you logged out last
[08:49] <intelikey> if that is what you want
[08:51] <karmikaze> anyone else notice that dvd play is very very selective about what dvds it will do
[08:51] <karmikaze> or is it only me
[08:51] <|Laem|1Raven> can anybody help me with my USB cable modem?
[08:51] <intelikey> TCG karmikaze
[08:52] <|Laem|1Raven> fdover u still here?
[08:52] <karmikaze> tcg?
[08:52] <|Laem|1Raven> *fdoving
[08:52] <karmikaze> intelikey: whats tcg
[08:52] <intelikey> karmikaze google distro watch TCG
[08:53] <karmikaze> hrm
[08:53] <intelikey> karmikaze google distrowatch TCG      <--- or that
[08:54] <karmikaze> i get on a lot of dvds the source cant be read. dont have enough rights or source doesnt contain data @_@
[08:54] <kubuntian> hello
[08:54] <karmikaze> D:
[08:54] <karmikaze> drm dvds???
[08:54] <kubuntian> which was the !page for the codecs?
[08:54] <kubuntian> !codec
[08:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <kubuntian> mhh
[08:55] <karmikaze> libxine-extracodecs
[08:55] <kubuntian> nono
[08:55] <kubuntian> i mean.. there was a page about linux-external issues.. like wmv or others
[08:55] <kubuntian> but i forgot how they are "called"
[08:55] <fdoving> !codecs
[08:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:55] <kubuntian> :)
[08:56] <kubuntian> restricted formats :) thanks
[08:56] <bigs> hey all
[08:56] <intelikey> TCG = trusted comupting group      an alliance of hardware and software(M$) makers that intends to stop all pirated software from working on any hardware.     nice friendly idea don't ya think.
[08:56] <kubuntian> another thing
[08:56] <karmikaze> D:
[08:56] <karmikaze> none of my dvds work...
[08:56] <karmikaze> bollocks
[08:56] <kubuntian> i switch back from xubuntu to kubuntu
[08:56] <kubuntian> but i still want to use firefox instead of konqueror..
[08:56] <karmikaze> im never buying a dvd again
[08:56] <kubuntian> i suppose there's a variable in the whole system that tells which is the browser
[08:56] <|Laem|1Raven> can anybody help me with my USB cable modem?
[08:57] <intelikey> |Laem|1Raven ask in ##linux
[08:57] <|Laem|1Raven> k
[08:58] <intelikey> sometimes networking linux questions are more aptly handeled in ##linux
[08:58] <intelikey> specally anything that !wifi doesn't cover
[08:59] <cloakable> !wiimote
[08:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiimote - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <karmikaze> so intelikey i take it theres no work around for tcg then
[09:00] <intelikey> !restricted | karmikaze
[09:00] <ubotu> karmikaze: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:00] <karmikaze> ty
[09:00] <intelikey> that's all i can do for you ^
[09:01] <intelikey> and to say the least 'M$ hopes there isn't'
[09:01] <sleepy4536> Why doesn't my kde desktop shutdown buttons work?
[09:02] <jba> ho un problema con dosfsck e boot. Chi mi aiuta?
[09:02] <jba> ho un problema con dosfsck e boot record. Chi mi aiuta?
[09:02] <karmikaze> !es
[09:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:02] <tsdgeos> that was not spanish :D
[09:02] <tsdgeos> portuguese? italian?
[09:02] <jba> italian?
[09:03] <jba> italian!!!
[09:03] <tsdgeos> !it
[09:03] <karmikaze> !it
[09:03] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:03] <jba> GRAZIE
[09:03] <karmikaze> lol.. man.. im going to have to download all these dvds i bought :P
[09:04] <jba> ho un problema con dosfsck e boot RECORD. Chi mi aiuta?
[09:04] <karmikaze> this is sad :P
[09:05] <adaptr> jbaEnglish please
[09:05] <adaptr> oh he's gone
[09:05] <intelikey> sleepy4536 test    sudo kill -9 -1     and assuming it dumps you to a console   hit [alt] +[ctrl] +[del]     and see if it will reboot.      if that works it's something in X that's not shutting down properly    if not it's the system call used by halt  and as i said  you will have to use the alternate syscall on that.   i don't know exactly what more to tell you except you are not very likely to get the answer in here.
[09:07] <BTR> Whats the program called that let me use dual monitors?
[09:08] <intelikey> sleepy4536 i didn't say that because we don't like you, nor because the help is no good here.   but because the help in here is mostly geered toward   "where is the start button"   and what happened to C:\    kind of questions.
[09:08] <sleepy4536> I understand
[09:09] <sleepy4536> I was doing fine for a week until this problem popped up
[09:09] <intelikey> sleepy4536 kernel update ?
[09:10] <intelikey> sleepy4536 what changed ?     just before that problem "popped up" ?
[09:10] <sleepy4536> I installed nvidia driver
[09:10] <adz21c> sleepy4536: i had a similar problem as u once, i think it was becuase I was using nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-legacy-glx
[09:11] <intelikey> ok it's x
[09:11] <marcus_> is it worth running composite managers on an intel 945?
[09:11] <alan_> marcus, yes
[09:11] <karmikaze> !javac
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about javac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <sleepy4536> if its x what do I do?
[09:12] <intelikey> sleepy4536 fix the driver issue ?
[09:12] <marcus_> alan: what kind of preformance does it give?
[09:12] <intelikey> the problem should fix itself
[09:12] <sleepy4536> I should change to legacy>
[09:12] <intelikey> sleepy4536 you should use the correct driver for your hardware
[09:13] <intelikey> and the version that works.   latest is not always best.
[09:13] <alan_> nice decorations, low performances
[09:13] <marcus_> alan: so it slows down the computer?
[09:14] <Sea_Master> i have a problem with Xmms:Perl
[09:14] <Sea_Master> can someone help me?
[09:14] <alan_> marcus: what kind of video card do u have?
[09:15] <marcus_> alan_:  I have an intel 945 built into my laptop
[09:16] <marcus_> alan_: I run kubuntu in vmware and if there is no befit to composite or centrino duo in kubuntu preferably both then i will keep it in vmware.
[09:16] <karmikaze> is this package: sun-java5-jdk   supposed to contain javac??
[09:17] <Sea_Master> can someone help me with Xmms:Perl
[09:17] <sleepy4536> I have a GeForcec 5900 Ultra FX, is that legacy ?
[09:17] <jugendliche_> web teve sexe
[09:18] <jugendliche_> webdetente.com
[09:22] <eric__> Anyone here familiar with Superkaramba?
[09:23] <BTR> Whats the program called that let me use dual monitors?
[09:23] <intelikey> xinerama ?
[09:23] <intelikey> or something like that.
[09:24] <BTR> Thanks, couldnt remember - always  think "Xinematic" somehow
[09:24] <eric__> Anyone here good with writing superkaramba themes or python?
[09:24] <Skrot> Hi. Does anyone know which version of the ipw3945-driver Ubuntu Edgy has?
[09:24] <intelikey> !dualhead
[09:24] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead
[09:24] <intelikey> BTR ^
[09:24] <foob> i love dual head
[09:25] <dwidmann> eric__: I'm decent wi th python, and I've toyed with superkaramba themese before
[09:25] <eric__> Can you see anything wrong with this line? karamba.changeText(widget, statusText, "Change the text")
[09:25] <eric__> I keep getting  "an integer is required" as an error
[09:25] <foob> not syntactically
[09:25] <eric__> odd
[09:25] <foob> one of those isnt an integer then :P
[09:26] <Skrot> Checked the superkaramba api documentation?
[09:26] <eric__> lol...I know that
[09:26] <eric__> Yep...I've looked there
[09:26] <Skrot> hm
[09:26] <eric__> When I first loaded the theme it worked..but after a minute or two it stopped that that is the error I'm getting
[09:27] <foob> widget or statusText is probably a list or tuple and you need to inded it, i'm guessing. try printing out both values and seeing i guess
[09:27] <Skrot> Try checking if widget and statusText is not null, and what datatype they are
[09:27] <foob> s/inded/index
[09:27] <eric__> let me give that a shot
[09:27] <Skrot> uhm
[09:28] <Skrot> changeText appears to take three long's as arguments
[09:28] <vinboy> how do I unhide a folder on Konqeuror?
[09:28] <intelikey> view show hidden
[09:28] <Skrot> view -> show hidden folders
[09:29] <BluesKaj> devede 27 doesn't convert the audio portion of .avi and mpg files properly...every avi file so far that i've tried to convert ruins the audio , any idea why ?
[09:29] <Mace68> lo all
[09:29] <Mace68> how hard is it to install and boot kubuntu from an external usb drive?
[09:29] <Skrot> Anyone around using ipw3945?
[09:30] <intelikey> !alternate
[09:30] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[09:30] <Mace68> does the latest version install usb support in initrd?
[09:30] <kubuntian> hey
[09:30] <BluesKaj> !avi converter
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avi converter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <kubuntian> somebody could tell me why in edgy there's no mplayer package?
[09:31] <BluesKaj> !converter
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about converter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <BluesKaj> !avi
[09:31] <foob> enable multiverse for mplayer i think
[09:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:32] <kubuntian> !mplayer
[09:32] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[09:32] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[09:32] <kubuntian> foob: they are already!
[09:32] <kubuntian> but when i choose it with apt-get i get the following:
[09:32] <kubuntian> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:32] <foob> kubuntian did you update your repository after adding multiverse
[09:33] <Mace68> or ubuntu, haven't decided which i'll use yet.
[09:33] <kubuntian> yup
[09:33] <kubuntian> sudo apt-get update :)
[09:34] <kubuntian> check here
[09:34] <kubuntian> http://rafb.net/p/mSXD9H59.html
[09:34] <foob> after i installed kubuntu (all on /) i realized i wanted /home on a separate partition (so i can reinstall linux without having to recopy my /home/foob/ directory back off the dvd each time. is it possible to make /home a seaprate partition from fdisk or would i have to reformat/reinstall to do that?
[09:35] <adaptr> foob: sure you can, as long as you have the space for it
[09:35] <adaptr> foob: you'll have to resize root if that's your only partition now
[09:36] <intelikey> when did mandrake 9.0 release ?   about  September 2002 was it ?
[09:36] <foob> is it safe to do and can fdisk do it?
[09:36] <intelikey> that's only 5 years old.   i may change to that.
[09:37] <intelikey> 4.35 years maybe
[09:38] <Topsun> !gparted
[09:38] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:38] <FisherP> hi, how do i install deb packages that i've downloaded??
[09:38] <foob> thanks
[09:38] <intelikey> foob nothing i know of will resize a mounted system partition    nor can do it safely.
[09:38] <foob> doh
[09:38] <fdoving> FisherP: right-click it in konqueror Kubuntu menu -> or what it's named.
[09:39] <foob> K Menu
[09:39] <Topsun> foob: suggest to use the live cd for resizing
[09:39] <foob> livecd is safe since it's not a mounted partition that way?
[09:39] <FisherP> fdoving DOH, shoulda thot of that myself... blame it on a late nite TY
[09:40] <intelikey> bback when.
[09:40] <crusty> hello! iv got problem with downloading update from repository.......any advice???thamks
[09:41] <fdoving> crusty: can you tell us more about your problem?
[09:41] <crusty> ok!
[09:41] <foob> if i have /home on a separate partition and then i install multiple instances of linux on the same machine (multi-boot system) will they all auto detect that /home magically?
[09:41] <foob> because that would be awsome
[09:42] <Topsun> foob: as intelikey said, partitioning and resizing isnt known to be safe ;)
[09:42] <crusty> adept as mauch as automatix2 can not install some program or udate......it return with error
[09:42] <foob> not even if it wasnt a resized partition?
[09:42] <fdoving> foob: if not autodetect, you will be able to select it, and mount it as /home, remeber to always double-check the format settings in the installer, some installers likes to format partitions by default, you don't want that for your /home partititon.
[09:43] <fdoving> crusty: can you give us the error message adept gives you?
[09:44] <crusty> the problem is that im new in ubuntu......but i will try
[09:45] <foob> whats the best command to use to see how im currently partitioned
[09:45] <hatta> cfdisk
[09:46] <nalioth> foob: "sudo fdisk -l"
[09:46] <nalioth> foob: that is a lowercase "L" not a numeral one
[09:46] <foob> the man page for it doesnt show a -l for some reason
[09:46] <sleepy4536> thanks intellikey, you helped :)
[09:47] <eric__> eric_: still not working
[09:47] <crusty> it say........could not commit changes.....possibly there was a problemdownloading some
[09:47] <Mace68> has anybody ever install and boot kubuntu from an external usb drive?
[09:47] <foob> says -P opt (prints the parition table in specified formats)
[09:47] <foob> oh thats for cfdisk
[09:48] <crusty> it say........could not commit changes.....possibly there was a problem downloading some pakage or the commit would brake package
[09:48] <foob> cat /proc/partitions  seems to do the same thing without require a sudo
[09:49] <B-Minus_> hello
[09:49] <B-Minus_> i have a wireless connection but sometimes i get received bytes 0 and i cant access the internet
[09:49] <B-Minus_> but the led is green on the adapter
[09:50] <alemix> ciao a tutti
[09:52] <alemix> c' qualche anima che mi pu aiutare?
[09:53] <crusty> se non parli inglese sara dura
[09:53] <eric__> !
[09:53] <fdoving> !it | alemix
[09:53] <ubotu> alemix: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:57] <eric__> What version of superkaramba are you running?
[09:59] <jerp> is there a way to clear this from the terminal installations?  X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 /   Major opcode:  147 /   Minor opcode:  3 /   Resource id:  0x0 / Failed to open device
[10:01] <Admiral_Chicago> jerp: what are you doing?
[10:02] <jerp> I'm just updating the repositories
[10:02] <jerp> I think it started after I installed java
[10:02] <jerp> wrongly apparently
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i've never heard of that error.
[10:03] <vinboy> how do I mark a folder as NON-hidden?
[10:03] <jerp> I get it four times and I get something about global destruction
[10:04] <jerp> 'DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 18 during global destruction.'
[10:06] <fdoving> !baddevice | jerp
[10:06] <ubotu> jerp: If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[10:06] <fdoving> .. and that link doesn't resolve..
[10:06] <jerp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/377/
[10:08] <fdoving> jerp: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:bkVrduFsiTIJ:linuxfordummies.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D579.msg1294+X:+Error+bad+device&hl=no&gl=no&ct=clnk&cd=8&ie=UTF-8
[10:08] <fdoving> nice url, google. :)
[10:09] <jerp> I'll try that one, linuxfordummies doesn't respond
[10:11] <rag> http://www.gmail.com igual me copias y pegais url al portapepeles
[10:11] <fdoving> !baddevice =~ /http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0/http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors/
[10:11] <ubotu> Too many (or not enough) delimiters
[10:11] <fdoving> !baddevice =~ /'http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0'/'http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors'/
[10:11] <ubotu> Too many (or not enough) delimiters
[10:12] <fdoving> gah..
[10:15] <fdoving> !baddevice
[10:15] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[10:15] <fdoving> jerp: new link ^^
[10:16] <Sea_Master> Error in command callback Can't locate object method "new" via package "Xmms::Remote" at (eval 3) line 538.
[10:16] <Sea_Master> help please
[10:16] <Sea_Master> :)
[10:16] <dope> how do i get a program to automatically startup everytime i startup kubuntu?
[10:17] <osh_> !ipod
[10:17] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[10:17] <fdoving> dope, leave it open when you log out. if that somehow doesn't work, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:17] <jerp> yeah, it doesn't really fix it since you have to have use your xorg.conf file commented out
[10:18] <jerp> scratch the second 'have'
[10:19] <dope> :|
[10:19] <dope> how do i make a link to autostart
[10:19] <jerp> since it is a "device" I wonder if I installed those cursors a couple days ago
[10:20] <Bill573> hello i am trying to install kubuntu and the installer is hanging on the "detecting file systems" at 14% for going on 10 minutes now. is this normal?
[10:21] <jerp> sounds normal bro
[10:21] <Bill573> how long should i expect this part to take?
[10:21] <jerp> fifteen, start over
[10:21] <dope> how do i make a link to autostart
[10:23] <adaptr> !autostart
[10:23] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> in KDE, it's ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:25] <fdoving> !info kcontrol-autostart
[10:25] <ubotu> kcontrol-autostart: autostart module for KDE control center. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 268 kB
[10:25] <adaptr> yeah.. kinda weird that #kubuntu uses the same ubotu bot, as many of the details are different
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> adaptr: well only about ~15% of Ubuntu users use KDE
[10:26] <adaptr> Admiral_Chicago: sure, but *all* of them go to #kubuntu, right ? it should have kubotu
[10:26] <fdoving> !autostart-#kubuntu To add programs to autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:26] <fdoving> !autostart-#kubuntu is <reply> To add programs to autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that, fdoving
[10:27] <fdoving> !autostart
[10:27] <ubotu> To add programs to autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> well smoethere you go
[10:28] <fdoving> !autostart =~ /To add programs to/To make programs/
[10:28] <ubotu> Nothing changed there
[10:28] <fdoving> humz.
[10:28] <Bill573> ok im at a little more then 15 minutes and everything seems to be responing but it is still detecting file systems. keep waiting?
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Bill573: hmm not sure
[10:30] <Bill573> restarted...anything i can do to prevent this a 3rd time?
[10:31] <acemo> how can i let KNetworkManager remember my wpa key, even after connecting to another wireless network?
[10:31] <fdoving> acemo: doesn't it do that automatically, with kwallet?
[10:32] <acemo> i disabled kwallet
[10:32] <acemo> because it keeps bugging me for a password
[10:32] <intelikey> hmmm i now am the proud owner of a gparted cd    and it's totally useless to me, but i've got it.  :)
[10:33] <acemo> fdoving, u perhaps know how i can let kwallet work on the background?
[10:34] <shawn__> hello
[10:38] <fdoving> acemo: it should be started on demand if it's enabled. kmenu -> run command 'kwalletmanager' to get a 'wallet' icon in the systray.. from there you can configure it's behaviour.
[10:45] <foob> ah another thing i love about kde compared to gnome is that it shows the file sizes in the shell and when you're overwriting them it shows the size of dest and source
[10:47] <cox377> my firefox has become really unstable recently and crashes multiple times a day
[10:47] <cox377> anyone finding similar probs?
[10:47] <foob> me
[10:47] <crimson> I am trying to update my apps  but both synaptic and adept list outdated versions as the latest version of many apps. Any help?
[10:47] <fdoving> installed any new and fancy plugins lately?
[10:47] <foob> but i just did the firefox update, hopefully that will fix it
[10:48] <fdoving> crimson: what release of kubuntu do you use?
[10:48] <crimson> 6.0.6.
[10:48] <fdoving> crimson: that explains it, you might want to upgrade.
[10:48] <BTR> Is there any place where i can get the Drivers for Intel Corporation 82852/855GM vga card?
[10:48] <fdoving> !upgrade | crimson
[10:48] <ubotu> crimson: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:49] <crimson> well, if that is your answer to my question, thanks for nothing
[10:49] <crimson> i don't want to upgrade my OS right now, i just want to update some apps
[10:49] <fdoving> crimson: it is the answer, 6.06 won't get new and fresh software. except the ones that make it into backports.
[10:50] <fdoving> !backports
[10:50] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[10:50] <crimson> i can't update my repositories or update an app manually fdoving?
[10:51] <fdoving> crimson: sure, you can update manually. i don't recommend it though, as that might make problems once you decide to !upgrade.
[10:52] <intelikey> but if you are not ever going to "upgrade"  it still may break some package dependancies
[10:52] <intelikey> rendering dpkg and the nominated frontends useless
[10:52] <crimson> well, when i do upgrade i will not be using kubuntu, so i'm not worried about it
[10:53] <intelikey> then it won't be an upgrade.
[10:53] <kraut> does anybody know ad-hoc, how i could take a video of my xorg seisson?
[10:53] <intelikey> install * != upgrade *
[10:54] <crimson> dude, i don't need to go into semantics, for me the transition from KDE to gnome will be an upgrade
[10:55] <intelikey> crimson just changing the desktop is not an upgrade either.   if you plan at any time on 'upgrading' *buntu then a broken dpkg will cause problems.
[10:56] <intelikey> from *buntu 6.06 to *buntu 6.xx>06 is an upgrade.  no matter what desktop or other apps.
[10:57] <sven_> test
[10:57] <intelikey> sven_ beep
[10:58] <TheDebugger> Heh... the version numbers are confusing for most people...
[10:58] <TheDebugger> 6.06 == June 2006
[10:58] <crimson> alright,intelikey, i don't know where you are going with this, but i just wanted to update my repository. i don't need an explanation of anything that doesn't directly relate to that. I have upgraded my repositories flawlessly in the past, and I know it is a simple syntax in the terminal, so I don't need a crach course on the nature of upgrades
[10:58] <TheDebugger> 6.10 == October 2006
[10:58] <crimson> but thanks anyways
[10:59] <intelikey> yes and the fact that ubuntu has specalized installations kubuntu xubuntu edubuntu ubuntu  confuses some  they are all ubuntu. TheDebugger
[11:00] <acemo> TheDebugger, thats a bit weird.. since ubuntu tries to have a release cycle of 6 months, not 4 months :s
[11:00] <intelikey> acemo what's weird about it ?
[11:00] <foob> how come when i try to burn mp3s to a cd with k3b it wont let me add the mp3s to the project... it says my mp3s are an unsupported format? (yet i can play mp3s fine, so i should have the right codecs installed)?
[11:01] <acemo> that the version numbers stand for 4 months between the releases, but ubuntu tries to have a release cycle of 6 months
[11:01] <fdoving> acemo: 6.06 was originally 6.04, but it was delayed 2 months., 6.10 got that back on track.
[11:01] <acemo> ahh
[11:01] <acemo> okey
[11:02] <acemo> that makes alot more sence =)
[11:02] <intelikey> crimson sed 's/dapper/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list  > filename         can be inline if you feel safe with it.    filename=/etc/apt/sources.list <<< inline.
[11:02] <crimson> intelikey: aight, i'll check it out
[11:03] <fdoving> crimson: you can add the 6.10 repositories to 6.06 and pin it to not upgrade everything. if that's what you want.
[11:03] <TheDebugger> Anyway, the version numbers gives the impression that 6.10 is only a minor update to 6.06
[11:03] <intelikey> yes that too ^
[11:03] <acemo> true..
[11:03] <crimson> fdoving: that sounds ideal for the time being, how can i do that?
[11:04] <intelikey> TheDebugger everything from 4.4 has been minor updates hasn't it ?
[11:04] <intelikey> errr 4.10
[11:05] <foob> do i have to convert mp3s to cd format before i can burn an 'audio cd' with k3b?
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> foob: no, there is a package for mp3 support but I forget what its called
[11:07] <intelikey> cda format ???   .wav maybe ?     mpg123 ?
[11:07] <fdoving> crimson: you can read more about it at http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html - basically add the edgy repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list, keeping the dapper ones. Then create /etc/apt/preferences with something like: Package: * \n Pin: release a=edgy \n Pin-Priority: 150
[11:07] <crimson> fdoving: okay, i'll check it out
[11:07] <crimson> thanks
[11:07] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[11:07] <foob> so k3b doesnt burn audio cds by default out of the box with kubuntu? i have to install some special package?
[11:07] <TheDebugger> gstreamer codecs?
[11:08] <TheDebugger> oops
[11:08] <TheDebugger> KDE :D
[11:08] <fdoving> foob: libk3b2-mp3
[11:08] <intelikey> foob ?     ubuntu doesn't do mp3 out of the box.
[11:08] <foob> i know but i have gstreamer and libxine
[11:08] <intelikey> !restricted | foob
[11:08] <ubotu> foob: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:08] <foob> i can play mp3s fine
[11:09] <fdoving> foob: install the package i gave you the name of, then k3b will get mp3-support.
[11:09] <fdoving> !info libk3b2-mp3
[11:09] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[11:10] <foob> ok thanks, yeah that wasnt installed
[11:10] <intelikey> Q. fdoving doesn't that two step it anyway. mp3 > wav > burn_it  ?
[11:12] <astan> hello folks. just got my new laptop and installed kubuntu on it. anyone know which package ipw3945d (the daemon) is in? or if not in a package, where to get it.
[11:12] <hamiii> If I iwconfig ath0 ap address and then iwconfig ath0 there is no access point associated, but iwlist scan shows the 3 access points. The card is Atheros 5212
[11:13] <hamiii> astan I use the debian site to search for files and packages.
[11:13] <astan> i see that i have the ipw3945 kernel module loaded, but i learned in #ipw2100 that there's a daemon too.
[11:13] <astan> hamiii: ah. okay.
[11:13] <fdoving> intelikey: yes, that's needed for mp3s to become audio-cds.
[11:14] <hassan2a> d$d
[11:14] <hassan2a> d
[11:14] <hassan2a> d
[11:14] <nealski> !codecs
[11:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:15] <intelikey> ipw2100-source - source for the ipw2100 driver      might see if the deamon is in that ?
[11:15] <intelikey> i don't see anyting else in the repos astan
[11:16] <astan> intelikey: ah. no i have the ipw3945.. hrm. i think i just found the daemon.. it's in some non-free package.
[11:16] <intelikey> k
[11:16] <BTR> Is there any place where i can get the Drivers for Intel Corporation 82852/855GM vga card?
[11:16] <astan> don't people use their ipw3945 with all-free drivers? anyone who has one?
[11:16] <intelikey> oh yeah you did mention two different numbers didn't you... sorry.
[11:17] <Skrot> astan: Do you mind checking which version of the ipw3945 module is in edgy (if that's what you're using)?
[11:17] <Skrot> modinfo ipw3945 | grep version
[11:17] <astan> version:        1.1.0mp
[11:18] <intelikey> dapper is  version:        1.0.5m     quite a jump.
[11:18] <Skrot> okay. Thanks. Does it work okay for you?
[11:18] <Skrot> I've got 1.1.0d (not via ubuntu).. which is more recent?
[11:19] <intelikey> not sure what the lettering does there.
[11:19] <astan> Skrot: no, that's why i'm here :) but it should work, i googled and seen that people with this exact laptop got it working.. i just need to find out where to get the daemon ipw3945d..
[11:19] <Skrot> ah, imo, ipw3945 is less good than ipw2200 in linux
[11:20] <roniez> When i try to change the resporites or the source.list in etc/apt/ with sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list i get "timestamp to far in future"
[11:20] <roniez> how can i solve that?
[11:20] <nealski> which repos do i need to add to install the restricted formats
[11:20] <nealski> ?
[11:21] <fdoving> !multiverse | nealski
[11:21] <ubotu> nealski: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:22] <nealski> ty
[11:22] <spitwise> roniez: man date
[11:23] <roniez> well if somebody could explain why it happends and not that just need to do man date in console would be good.
[11:23] <roniez> so i can divert it next time
[11:25] <fdoving> roniez: that is a security mechanism of sudo, it stops working when the time changes drastically. that's why you get that error message whenever you try to use 'sudo'
[11:26] <Theory> i find the quickest and easiest fix is to restart
[11:26] <roniez> fdoving: ok thats weird cause my systemclock says 23:26GMT+1
[11:26] <fdoving> roniez: you can read more about it at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173505
[11:26] <roniez> thanks fdoving
[11:27] <astan> oh. found my answer: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_get_ipw3945_and_wep.2Fwpa_to_work
[11:27] <arkygeek> hello!
[11:28] <arkygeek> Jucato hi! kumusta?
[11:28] <arkygeek> ;-)
[11:28] <arkygeek> Q: I just got an imac 350 slot load, and am wondering how to put kibuntu on it...
[11:30] <skarface> what's the kde equivalent of gksudo?
[11:30] <fdoving> skarface: kdesu
[11:30] <skarface> thx
[11:37] <hassan2a> slt tlm
[11:37] <hassan2a> qui peut m'aider ?
[11:37] <osh_> !fr
[11:37] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:38] <hassan2a> oh sorry
[11:39] <hassan2a> !en
[11:39] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:41] <osh_> hassan2a: no problems. but english will probably get you some help.
[11:46] <hassan2a> ok
[11:56] <amir> How do I prevent gaim from starting when I start my computer?
[11:58] <MetaBookfoziS> hi all! how can i convert pdf to text file?
[11:59] <MetaBookfoziS> and why the hell kpdf can'T?:D
[12:01] <vinboy> why my kubuntu automatically log itself out once awhile?
[12:04] <Hyde> is this where i go for ubuntu help?
[12:04] <leileilol> no this is where you go for kubuntu help
[12:04] <leileilol> for ubuntu help you go to #ubuntu
[12:04] <leileilol> :)
[12:04] <Hyde> i figured
[12:04] <Hyde> ok
[12:04] <Hyde> ty
[12:04] <kalango> Hi
[12:04] <karmikaze> hi
[12:10] <amir> How do I keep programs from starting up when I start my computer?
[12:12] <liam_> hey guys im having trouble playing a dvd in kaffine
[12:13] <liam_> can anyone help?
[12:13] <liam_> anyone?
[12:13] <liam_> dvd problem?
[12:13] <liam_> kaffine?
[12:13] <fdoving> !dvd | liam_
[12:13] <ubotu> liam_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:14] <amir> haha everyone are dead
[12:14] <fdoving> liam_: please read those pages first.