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mdke | if I see a Launchpad bug and think that I know a good person to take a look at it, is it ok for me to assign the bug to that person, even if I don't work on launchpad? | 01:40 |
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mdke | mpt: on the basis that you are that person, if you're around, the question is for you | 01:40 |
LarstiQ | it has been to long since I filed bugs on launchpad-bazaar | 01:42 |
LarstiQ | but I _think_ I'd assign them to ddaa | 01:42 |
ddaa | well | 01:43 |
ddaa | better not to assign them | 01:43 |
ddaa | and let the developers do it | 01:43 |
mdke | the thing is, subscribing takes more clicks | 01:43 |
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ddaa | in my experience, randomly assigning bugs to people is a good way for the bug to be ignored | 01:44 |
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ddaa | because the person whose it is assigned to knows it has not be assigned after discussion, etc. | 01:45 |
ddaa | and everybody else thinks the assignee knows what's up... | 01:45 |
mdke | subscribing is ok? | 01:45 |
ddaa | well | 01:45 |
ddaa | if you expect a reply from a specific person, better to write an email with a link to the bug | 01:45 |
ddaa | a hand-written email is much more effective than anything else | 01:45 |
mdke | hmm | 01:46 |
ddaa | if you are lazy, better to let the bug triaging work normally | 01:46 |
mdke | and what's the point of the "subscribe someone else" then? | 01:46 |
ddaa | devs routinely the bugs mailing list to know about new bug | 01:46 |
ddaa | It's needed sometime | 01:47 |
ddaa | like "joe: I'm going to file a bug about it!" | 01:47 |
ddaa | "tom: okay please subscribe me" | 01:47 |
mdke | oh well. Pardon me mpt, I already subscribed you | 01:47 |
ddaa | especially useful when there is not a bugs ML as for launchpad | 01:47 |
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thumper | mdke, I agree with ddaa on this, a personal email would make me look at it | 02:08 |
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mdke | thumper: don't you look at bugmail? afaics, that's a very good use of the "subscribe someone else" feature, to ask people's opinions on bugs where that person is well equipped to comment | 02:13 |
mdke | in this case, I know Matthew reads his bugmail from bitter experience | 02:14 |
mdke | ;) | 02:14 |
mdke | moot point of course, while it's not working, but still. | 02:14 |
thumper | mdke, nope not at this point in time | 02:16 |
thumper | I probably should | 02:16 |
mdke | heh | 02:16 |
mdke | thumper: btw I just looked at your personal page, and saw that you had to force your MSN/Yahoo details into "IRC", do you know if a bug is open about that? | 02:17 |
mdke | I might file one, I'm in a bug filing mood today | 02:18 |
thumper | mdke, go for it, I don't know of any right now | 02:18 |
mdke | alrighty | 02:19 |
mdke | (bug 77758) | 02:21 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 77758 in launchpad "Person page has no option for instant messaging protocols other than IRC/Jabber" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/77758 | 02:21 |
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mpt | mdke, subscribing me to a Launchpad bug will only result in me receiving two notifications of each change to it instead of one :-) | 02:37 |
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Bhaskar | hello everybody | 04:59 |
Bhaskar | who know about schooltool translation pls help me | 04:59 |
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Rinchen | Bhaskar, http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/translating-schooltool.org | 05:10 |
Rinchen | i.e. Tom Hoffman would be a good choice | 05:10 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen: i go through this link, create templet and create .po file | 05:11 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen:then i convert .mo, compile tool but can not get success to translate in all why | 05:12 |
Rinchen | are you using https://launchpad.net/products/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool ? | 05:12 |
Rinchen | and doing a rosetta import? | 05:12 |
Rinchen | I am showing that the Napali translation is done except for 1 item. | 05:15 |
Bhaskar | rinchen: i have done this translation in rosetta | 05:16 |
Rinchen | excellent, and I just fixed your 1 todo item so it's now at 100% | 05:16 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen: then i download .po and .mo file from there and compile schooltool but i can success partially | 05:17 |
Rinchen | try it again. | 05:17 |
Rinchen | I fixed one error. | 05:18 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen: i have many try | 05:18 |
Rinchen | You can also post the compile error in pastebin or post to the mailing list. | 05:18 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen:no error occours while make update-translation | 05:19 |
Rinchen | so it's a program compile error? I have to send you back to Tom Hoffman again. | 05:20 |
Rinchen | Sorry I can't be of more help. | 05:20 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen: i think schoolBell and schooltool both .mo & .po file both compile simultaneously | 05:20 |
Bhaskar | Rinchen: there is any relation in schoolbell and schooltool for translation? | 05:21 |
Rinchen | I do not know for certain but I would think yes. Schoolbell is one of the 4 applications that make up Schooltool | 05:23 |
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violot | Is there a Beryl Product on Launchpad?! | 06:26 |
violot | I don't see one :'( | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | they run their own bugtracker, i believe | 06:27 |
violot | Aww, darn. | 06:27 |
violot | Thanks. | 06:27 |
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carlos | morning! | 09:12 |
matthewrevell | carlos: morning :) | 09:12 |
mdke | mpt: even worse. Go ahead and unsubscribe, sorry | 09:16 |
mdke | morning carlos, matthewrevell | 09:16 |
matthewrevell | mdke: hi :) | 09:16 |
mdke | how are you? | 09:17 |
mpt | mdke, one day such subscriptions will be managed in Launchpad, instead of by mailing lists, so it will be obvious whether someone is already watching a bug | 09:23 |
mdke | mpt: nice | 09:24 |
mpt | and we'll all have ponies! | 09:25 |
mdke | you can have mine | 09:25 |
stub | I'll take Launchpad down soon for a production rollout. Downtime should be only a few minutes | 09:26 |
mdke | oh wow, is that email coming back? | 09:26 |
Fujitsu | Ooh! Email! | 09:28 |
Fujitsu | Will all the old email come with it, or is that still some time away? | 09:28 |
mdke | hang on, he hasn't said yes yet | 09:28 |
stub | email fix hasn't been done yet | 09:32 |
mpt | and Top Men are considering how to handle the backlog in a non-diluvian fashion. | 09:38 |
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stub | Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes time for a code update. Estimated downtime is under 10 minutes. | 10:01 |
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matthewrevell | Howdy chaps. A Launchpad user has complained that he receives an email each time he makes a change to a bug. He says that he knows he made the change, so does not need an email. Is there a way he can opt out of email about things he has done, whilst still receiving notification of what others have done? | 10:08 |
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carlos | matthewrevell: I don't think that possible atm | 10:20 |
carlos | matthewrevell: I don't think that's possible atm | 10:20 |
matthewrevell | carlos: Do you think it's worth me adding it to tomorrow's meeting agenda? | 10:20 |
carlos | matthewrevell: that's something bugzilla has and I'm sure someone already complained about it | 10:23 |
carlos | matthewrevell: let me check whether there is a bug report for such feature (once launchpad is back to life) | 10:24 |
matthewrevell | carlos: cool, thanks | 10:25 |
carlos | matthewrevell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/548 | 10:29 |
carlos | matthewrevell: It's accepted so I guess the only discussion is whether its priority should be higher | 10:31 |
matthewrevell | carlos: Yeah. How is the priority decided upon? | 10:31 |
carlos | matthewrevell: it's up to the developer, managers and people request | 10:32 |
carlos | if there is a lot of people asking for it, we give higher priority | 10:32 |
matthewrevell | carlos: Thanks. I'll tag it as fix-it-friday. | 10:32 |
carlos | check it first with BjornT | 10:32 |
carlos | I'm not sure whether it could be fixed in one day | 10:32 |
matthewrevell | ok | 10:33 |
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lifeless | can someone ensure ddaa knows gnome has switched to svn? | 11:12 |
LarstiQ | I haven't seen him mention it | 11:15 |
lifeless | yah | 11:16 |
lifeless | I'm going to sleep soon though | 11:16 |
lifeless | :) | 11:16 |
LarstiQ | I'll let him know | 11:17 |
mpt | SteveA, I don't get three conflicts, I get 15 | 11:22 |
lifeless | LarstiQ: thanks! | 11:22 |
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cprov | good morning. | 11:56 |
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carlos | cprov: morning! | 12:03 |
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SteveA | mpt: wow. | 12:19 |
SteveA | mpt: maybe use my branch and merge into that? | 12:19 |
mpt | SteveA, I mailed you the results | 12:20 |
mpt | but I'm going to bed now | 12:21 |
mpt | I resolved the conflicts, anyway | 12:21 |
mpt | push hasn't finished yet, though, try in ~20 minutes | 12:21 |
SteveA | mpt: thanks, got the email. I'll try in 30 mins, and I'll fix the other problem you mentioned. | 12:21 |
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carlos | ddaa: hi | 12:22 |
carlos | ddaa: lifeless asked us to note to you that GNOME migrate to SVN | 12:22 |
ddaa | ... | 12:23 |
ddaa | I think I might go for a week long trek in the desert... | 12:23 |
ddaa | Oh, actually I have one booked next week! | 12:24 |
carlos | ddaa: ;-) | 12:24 |
ddaa | I'll figure out what the gnome transition means when I come back... | 12:24 |
ddaa | I guess it will just mean that all cvs.gnome.org imports (lots of) will be obsolete | 12:25 |
LarstiQ | ddaa: what desert are you visiting? | 12:25 |
ddaa | The only desert that be, man :) | 12:26 |
ddaa | Going to the Great Western Erg | 12:27 |
ddaa | in Morocco | 12:27 |
LarstiQ | sweet | 12:27 |
ddaa | the nice thing... | 12:28 |
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ddaa | is that people will be able to use bzr-svn on gnome... | 12:28 |
ddaa | lotsa sweetness | 12:28 |
ddaa | LarstiQ: been to the Great Eastern Erg in Tunisia two years ago. | 12:28 |
ddaa | lots of sand and dunes | 12:29 |
ddaa | very refreshing for the mind | 12:29 |
ddaa | also, since we're going very much out of season | 12:30 |
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carlos | ddaa: what's the status of bzr-svn ? | 12:30 |
carlos | is it usable? | 12:30 |
ddaa | we do not get to see much noisy-tourists-in-4x4 | 12:30 |
ddaa | so one last year... while we were treading with our camels... | 12:31 |
ddaa | was... weird... | 12:31 |
ddaa | carlos: cannot say for you | 12:31 |
LarstiQ | ddaa: weird? :) | 12:31 |
ddaa | carlos: I know jelmer has been very active lately | 12:31 |
carlos | ok | 12:32 |
ddaa | carlos: so it's a safe bet to say it's getting better :) | 12:32 |
carlos | :-P | 12:32 |
LarstiQ | 23:21:33 <jelmer> ik had niets gepland maar bzr-svn is wel echt ver gevorderd opeens :-) | 12:32 |
LarstiQ | 23:21:50 <jelmer> ken geen repositories meer die nog failen | 12:33 |
ddaa | LarstiQ: like... "what the fuck are are they doing!?? Storm in 4x4, take pics, storm out. In about the time it takes us to walk up and down two dunes..." | 12:33 |
LarstiQ | 'I had nothing planned but bzr-svn did advance a lot suddenly' 'Don't know any repositories anymore that fail' | 12:33 |
carlos | LarstiQ: that sounds like really good news! | 12:33 |
LarstiQ | carlos: prove him wrong with a failing repository! ;) | 12:34 |
ddaa | LarstiQ: thanks for translating, at first I thought this quote was about herring sandwiches. | 12:34 |
LarstiQ | ddaa: :P | 12:34 |
LarstiQ | the biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is the branching scheme, but that ties in with people getting the same revisions in different conversions, and meh | 12:35 |
ddaa | LarstiQ: I do not think there's any way around it until bzr has more direct support for file copy | 12:36 |
ddaa | The biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is that deterministic revision ids scare me. | 12:37 |
LarstiQ | it's a very useful property, but I don't oversee all the implications | 12:37 |
ddaa | With Arch already, it was a screwed proposition, but it was not much of problem because people tended not to duplicate baz-import work in practice. | 12:37 |
ddaa | LarstiQ: that's precisely the problem | 12:38 |
ddaa | it's very powerful, and most people do not understand the implications | 12:38 |
ddaa | so I fully expect that people will be screwing around with bzr-svn and fuck up | 12:38 |
ddaa | I bet, the first time we see an email about bzr complaining of inconsistent/corrupt repository data, it will be because of bzr-svn. | 12:40 |
ddaa | or rather, because of somebody hacking carelessly on bzr-svn | 12:40 |
LarstiQ | git does this nicely by being "the same" if the content matches | 12:40 |
ddaa | which prevents things like bzr-svn from being efficient in the first place | 12:40 |
LarstiQ | ddaa: oh, I've seen corrupt repository data before :) | 12:41 |
ddaa | I mean, a user asking on the mailing list, with panick in his eyes. | 12:41 |
ddaa | Not people who hack repository formats for fun over breakfast. | 12:41 |
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matthewrevell | Is Matsubara due to be around today? | 01:03 |
Hobbsee | WHEE!!!! | 01:42 |
Hobbsee | bugmail for teams is there again | 01:43 |
aa_ | now *that's* what I call bugmail! | 01:55 |
Hobbsee | yup | 01:55 |
aa_ | 44! how active are we, huh! | 01:55 |
aa_ | thanks guys | 01:56 |
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static | hello | 01:57 |
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Yannig | Hello everybody :) | 02:57 |
matthewrevell | Yannig: Hello Yannig | 02:58 |
Yannig | I have a little problem :) | 02:58 |
matthewrevell | Yannig: Perhaps I can help :) | 02:58 |
Yannig | I try to upload translations and it tells me the Launchpad header is not in the file | 02:58 |
matthewrevell | Hmm, just a moment. | 02:59 |
Yannig | All I did is: downloading the file, changing the filename, translating with gtranslator and changing the header (via gtranslator), nothing more | 02:59 |
Yannig | Last year, this problem could be solved by remplacing ++ by + but it seems the problem is different now | 03:00 |
matthewrevell | Yannig: Before I find a developer, are you sure the Launchpad header is in the file? | 03:04 |
Yannig | Let me copy paste it :) | 03:04 |
matthewrevell | ok | 03:05 |
Yannig | # Occitan (post 1500) translation for gtranslator | 03:06 |
Yannig | # Copyright (c) (c) 2006 Canonical Ltd, and Rosetta Contributors 2006 | 03:06 |
Yannig | # This file is distributed under the same license as the gtranslator package. | 03:06 |
Yannig | # Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya) <yannig@marchegay.org>, 2006. | 03:06 |
Yannig | # , fuzzy | 03:06 |
Yannig | # | 03:06 |
Yannig | # | 03:06 |
Yannig | msgid "" | 03:06 |
Yannig | msgstr "" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Project-Id-Version: gtranslator\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "POT-Creation-Date: 2006-06-19 20:15+0000\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "PO-Revision-Date: 2007-01-03 12:09+0100\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Last-Translator: Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya) <yannig@marchegay.org>\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Language-Team: Occitan (post 1500) <ubuntu-l10n-oci@lists.ubuntu.com>\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" | 03:06 |
Yannig | "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);" | 03:06 |
Nafallo | Yannig: please use paste.ubuntu-nl.org next time :-) | 03:06 |
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Yannig | Ups, sorry :( | 03:07 |
matthewrevell | carlos: Yannig here has a problem with uploading a translation. Rosetta tells him that the Launchpad header isn't in the file. Are you able to help? | 03:08 |
carlos | matthewrevell: sure | 03:09 |
carlos | Yannig: let me read... | 03:09 |
carlos | Yannig: you are missing the export header added by Rosetta | 03:10 |
carlos | Yannig: where did you get that file from ? | 03:10 |
Yannig | I went to the online translation page, I clicked Download, I downloaded from the link in my webmail and that's it | 03:11 |
carlos | Yannig: hmmm, which program did you use to edit it? | 03:12 |
Yannig | gtranslator | 03:12 |
carlos | Yannig: could you give me the link from where you got the file? (the one you got by email) | 03:13 |
Yannig | http://librarian.launchpad.net/5579424/oc.po for example | 03:13 |
carlos | Yannig: ok, gtranslator is broken | 03:14 |
Yannig | Humpf | 03:14 |
carlos | Yannig: until they fix it (I'm going to file a bug) | 03:14 |
Yannig | Can I copy-paste Launchpad header so as to upload my translation or is that too late? | 03:14 |
carlos | you have two options, change your editor, or add by hand the header: X-Rosetta-Export-Date | 03:14 |
carlos | a you get it from Launchpad/Rosetta | 03:15 |
carlos | Yannig: just copy it and it will work | 03:15 |
carlos | Yannig: don't change the timestamp, it's just a way to detect conflicts if someone changed a translation after you downloaded the file | 03:15 |
Yannig | Fair enough | 03:15 |
carlos | just copy it as you got it | 03:15 |
carlos | Yannig: thanks for the info | 03:16 |
carlos | let me file the bug in gtranslator and will give you hte link | 03:16 |
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matthewrevell | carlos: Thanks for your help. | 03:25 |
carlos | matthewrevell: np | 03:25 |
carlos | Yannig: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392323 | 03:28 |
Ubugtu | Gnome bug 392323 in general "Gtranslator removes all custom headers" [Normal,Unconfirmed] - Assigned to ross@golder.org | 03:28 |
Yannig | What should I do with it? Confirming it o just following? | 03:29 |
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carlos | Yannig: follow it | 03:49 |
carlos | Yannig: just in case you are interested | 03:49 |
carlos | ;-) | 03:49 |
Yannig | Thanks :) | 03:49 |
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Nafallo | hi! how do packages end up on ~nafallo/+packages? :-) | 04:01 |
Nafallo | I miss gajim :-P | 04:01 |
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robbyflobby | hi | 04:06 |
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Yannig | carlos: I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but Launchpad still does not accept my import :( | 04:47 |
Yannig | Ups, sorry, the import I'm talking about was yesterday :( | 04:48 |
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static | matthewrevell: should I be choosing work for Fix-it-Friday based on the Fix-it-Friday tags, or can I choose other bugs? | 04:57 |
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matthewrevell | static: If you spot bugs that you think would be good candidates for FiF, it'd be cool if you could tag them fix-it-friday. It's just a way to help keep track of what people might work on for FiF, rather than saying what should be worked on. | 04:59 |
static | matthewrevell: ok, that makes sense | 05:00 |
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carlos | Yannig: there is an extra '+' char (my fault, it was fixed before Christmas) | 05:29 |
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Yannig | carlos: Sorry, it was a mistake from me. Launchpad sent me a notification about an import 18 hours ago so it should be nice now :) | 05:31 |
carlos | Yannig: cool ;-) | 05:32 |
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kiko | hello hello | 05:38 |
Yannig | Hello kiko :) | 05:39 |
Yannig | Ups carlos, not so nice :( | 05:39 |
LarstiQ | hi kiko | 05:39 |
kiko | what's up | 05:40 |
Yannig | I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but We didn't import it because you didn't get it from Rosetta or | 05:40 |
Yannig | you removed the tag we put in the files exported from Rosetta. :( | 05:40 |
kiko | I think that bug was actually fixed | 05:40 |
Yannig | kiko: Some mess with gtranslator but carlos explained me how to fix it | 05:41 |
carlos | Yannig: remove the extra '+' char | 05:41 |
carlos | Yannig: that's enough | 05:41 |
Yannig | Ups, thanks :) | 05:41 |
carlos | Yannig: we were exporting bad timestamps for a week, so it's only needed for files that were exported more than two weeks ago | 05:42 |
Yannig | Thanks :) | 05:42 |
carlos | kiko: he's adding the header by hand to files exported some time ago | 05:42 |
kiko | ah | 05:42 |
Yannig | Some time ago = beginning of week :P | 05:43 |
carlos | Yannig: well, if you have the '++' chars, it cannot be from this week | 05:44 |
carlos | otherwise, we had a regression... | 05:44 |
Yannig | I may have made a copy-paste from an older file then | 05:45 |
carlos | Yannig: could you confirm it, please? | 05:46 |
Yannig | Fair enough | 05:47 |
Yannig | carlos: Yes, you're right, there's no more problem :) | 05:49 |
carlos | Yannig: cool. thanks for checking it | 05:50 |
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mdke_ | good job on getting email working guys | 07:27 |
SteveA | thanks mdke_. stuart came up with a creative solution to the problem for now | 07:28 |
SteveA | but we still need to fix an underlying issue | 07:28 |
mdke_ | cool | 07:29 |
popey | umm | 07:29 |
popey | I am getting two mails for every one from launchpad... | 07:29 |
popey | ..is that a known problem? | 07:29 |
mdke_ | I had a few emails more than once as well, but only a few | 07:29 |
kiko | popey, two for the price of one? | 07:30 |
popey | same message being sent twice | 07:31 |
popey | is this the right place to report the problem? | 07:31 |
mdke_ | yes, kiko was just joking | 07:31 |
kiko | SteveA, mdke_: is there a known problem that I don't know about? | 07:32 |
popey | :) | 07:32 |
mdke_ | kiko: you tell us | 07:32 |
popey | does someone want the full headered mails sent to them for analysis? | 07:32 |
kiko | popey, yeah, please forward the pair to kiko@canonical.com | 07:33 |
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mdke_ | I had three of some, I think | 07:33 |
popey | ok | 07:33 |
kiko | wow | 07:33 |
kiko | popey, are they absolutely identical? | 07:34 |
kiko | or are times and so on different? | 07:34 |
popey | they are identical up to the point when they leave the first box | 07:35 |
popey | which would make sense | 07:35 |
popey | sent, from alan@popey.com | 07:35 |
popey | if you want more pairs just ask | 07:35 |
popey | I have "a few" | 07:35 |
popey | they are from the support ticket system, if it's useful for you to know, it started happening this morning, and last night i merged two accounts on launchpad | 07:36 |
kiko | thanks popey. | 07:36 |
kiko | hmmm. | 07:36 |
kiko | that definitely should not happen as we only email your preferred email address | 07:36 |
popey | indeed | 07:36 |
popey | and i ditched the old email address | 07:36 |
kiko | bizarre squared | 07:37 |
popey | both are to: the same address anyway | 07:37 |
kiko | but I'll look into it | 07:37 |
popey | thanks kiko | 07:37 |
popey | off to put daughter to bed, back in 30 | 07:37 |
mdke_ | popey: grab me when you get back | 07:37 |
popey | wilco | 07:38 |
mdke_ | ty | 07:38 |
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LarstiQ | I can manually enter https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug-advanced, but could I set a preference to always get the complicated form when filing bugs on bzr? | 08:00 |
kiko | LarstiQ, not yet you can't. how could we set that preference, though? | 08:01 |
LarstiQ | very good question | 08:01 |
kiko | maybe have something like [/] Always use the complicated file-a-bug form at the end of the form? | 08:01 |
LarstiQ | Well, for non products/bzr, I'd like some guided filing | 08:01 |
mdke_ | what's the difference between advanced and simple? That looks pretty simply already | 08:02 |
kiko | right | 08:02 |
kiko | so | 08:02 |
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kiko | [/] Always use the complicated file-a-bug form for Bazaar (upstream) | 08:02 |
kiko | perhaps? | 08:02 |
LarstiQ | but for that specific product (one of which I'm a member of the registrant), I a) have a good idea of the bugs there b) manually check before filing a bug anyway | 08:02 |
kiko | yeah | 08:03 |
kiko | LarstiQ, do you find it irksome that the list of matching bugs doesn't include the status? | 08:03 |
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mdke_ | I think that guided form is seriously awesome. I've never seen it on any other bug managers, it's my favourite Launchpad feature. I don't see the point of any other type of form, tbh, it's just one extra click. | 08:06 |
mdke_ | sorry if it seems out of line for me to jump into this conversation | 08:07 |
kiko | no, I appreciate the comment | 08:07 |
LarstiQ | kiko: yes, that does add an extra step | 08:07 |
kiko | I however get bothered when using it for launchpad | 08:07 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: it's rather hard to be out of line when jumping into one of my conversations :) | 08:07 |
LarstiQ | kiko: my problem was different though | 08:07 |
kiko | because I can't easily check if the bug is one that was fixed 100 years ago | 08:07 |
mdke_ | thanks for reassuring me | 08:07 |
Seveas | kiko, ubugtu is broken because lp.net/malone/$bugid/+text no longer works :/ | 08:08 |
mdke_ | kiko: the solution is to add the status to the list, rather than provide a different form though, IMO | 08:08 |
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LarstiQ | kiko: Since I check the reported bugs first when investigating an issue, having to go through it again is double effort. | 08:08 |
kiko | mdke_, yeah, same here! | 08:08 |
mdke_ | you don't have to read it :) | 08:08 |
LarstiQ | kiko: I _could_ learn to search by trying to file a bug first, but that feels wrong | 08:08 |
kiko | I'll fix that. | 08:08 |
Seveas | kiko, ubugtu is now fixed | 08:08 |
kiko | Seveas, just the URL changearound? sorry for not notifying | 08:09 |
LarstiQ | kiko: and I don't have enough trust I'm seeing all the bugs | 08:09 |
Seveas | but no irc notifications will be given for mail received since it's been working again | 08:09 |
LarstiQ | kiko: also, I don't always write the summary first :) | 08:09 |
kiko | LarstiQ, you'd like to see more bugs in the list? | 08:09 |
Seveas | because ubugtu registered those as already seen befor launchpad errored out | 08:09 |
kiko | Seveas, that's life. no worries. :) | 08:09 |
LarstiQ | kiko: if for guided it gives the best matching bugs, then no, it should not be needed. | 08:10 |
LarstiQ | However, not trusting the search feature just yet, I'd like to see every single bug that I can think of | 08:10 |
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LarstiQ | kiko: if launchpad were able to DWIW, then I'd be happy ;) | 08:11 |
mdke_ | I would have thought you're quite likely to enter the same terms in the Bug summary that you would enter into a search box... so as long as the search mechanism works, you should be ok, right? | 08:14 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: I don't trust the search mechanism :) | 08:15 |
mdke_ | but then you don't trust the regular search mechanism either, right? | 08:15 |
mdke_ | so you read all reported bugs before filing? | 08:16 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: true, it's still stupid there. But it returns all the results, and I can try different terms untill I'm satisfied I've had all likely candidates | 08:16 |
kiko | LarstiQ has "issues" | 08:16 |
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mdke_ | don't we all :) | 08:16 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: I read all the summaries of the normal search for a couple of relevant terms, yes. | 08:16 |
mdke_ | ok, so if you enter those relevant terms in the bug summary, which would seem reasonable to me, you'll see em | 08:17 |
mdke_ | changing the subject briefly, what's the average response time for LP support requests? | 08:17 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: ah, but the guided form limits the number of bugs returned. And I think the search does not work well with more than one term | 08:18 |
kiko | mdke_, it's pretty bad over the holidays, but pretty good otherwise :) | 08:20 |
mdke_ | kiko: that kinda changes my question to "what's pretty good" | 08:20 |
mdke_ | a week, a month, etc | 08:21 |
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kiko | LarstiQ, so what if we listed more bugs, or offered a link to list all bugs? | 08:21 |
kiko | (for those terms) | 08:21 |
kiko | mdke_, a few days. | 08:21 |
kiko | at most | 08:22 |
mdke_ | kiko: ouch. Mine is very forgotten then. Maybe you can poke someone about it: ticket 2796 (I posted to lp-users about it too, but had no reply) | 08:22 |
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kiko | does Ubugtu know about tickets? | 08:23 |
mdke_ | guess not | 08:23 |
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LarstiQ | kiko: that would leave the unnatural feeling, doing a +filebug when what I initially want to do is only investigate if it's already filed | 08:24 |
LarstiQ | but that's very cosmetic | 08:24 |
kiko | mdke_, I don't know how product series are to be deleted. this is something that SteveA and stub need to sort out, really | 08:24 |
LarstiQ | kiko: how about changing the order? | 08:25 |
kiko | LarstiQ, well.. yes. I think having a sticky pref for using the complicated form is not bad | 08:25 |
kiko | LarstiQ, changing what order? | 08:25 |
mdke_ | kiko: I'll bug them, thanks | 08:25 |
LarstiQ | kiko: first the search part of guided, and then the option of filing a bug | 08:25 |
mdke_ | SteveA: still here? | 08:25 |
kiko | LarstiQ, well.. that's how it works already. :-) | 08:26 |
kiko | you might not feel comfortable with it yet, but that can change with time! | 08:26 |
LarstiQ | kiko: if I +filebug from a search, it _still_ walks me through it's own search part | 08:27 |
SteveA | mdke_: no. | 08:28 |
SteveA | mdke_: I'm cooking up one of fabbione's special pasta recipes | 08:28 |
SteveA | thanks fabbione | 08:28 |
mdke_ | maybe have a checkbox on the first page of the guided form |x| I've performed a rigorous search for this bug, don't show me your silly paternalistic search results | 08:28 |
mdke_ | or |x| Give me your most outstanding feature yet | 08:29 |
mdke_ | SteveA: ok, if you happen to come back, it's ticket 2796 I'm chasing about | 08:29 |
somerville32 | Could I get an lp admin to transfer ownership of the pike product to me? I'd like to be responsible for Pike. :) | 08:31 |
SteveA | mdke_: got a URL for that? | 08:31 |
mdke_ | SteveA: i'll get it | 08:31 |
SteveA | mdke_: I don't think we have a URL redirector for ticket number -> ticket URL yet | 08:31 |
SteveA | elmo filed a bug on it recently, for a FiF task | 08:32 |
mdke_ | good idea | 08:32 |
mdke_ | https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2796 | 08:32 |
mdke_ | don't let your paste overcook though! | 08:32 |
SteveA | mdke_: why is it important to do what is requested in that ticket? | 08:33 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: the most filed bugs sure is useful, though more for me to remind what people are doing than hitting one of those myself | 08:33 |
SteveA | if it's not clear why something is important, it's natural it'll not get on someone's priority list | 08:34 |
mdke_ | SteveA: I wouldn't go as far as saying it is "important". But it needs to be done, because people are adding translations to a dead template. I'm only chasing it because kiko said average response time was a few days | 08:34 |
kiko | SteveA, that's not a really fair reply though. it's only "natural" because we suck at deleting things, but that's way not mdke_'s fault :) | 08:37 |
mdke_ | is there a bug about deleting product series already? | 08:38 |
kiko | there /must be/ | 08:40 |
Ubugtu | New bug: #77853 in soyuz "Security uploads fails when assume that an accepted ".orig" file will be available before the next cron.daily run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77853 | 08:40 |
SteveA | mdke_: easiest thing would be to delete it | 08:41 |
SteveA | mdke_: if you'd said in the report "because people are doing work on this that is wasted" then I think it would get faster attention | 08:42 |
mdke_ | sorry | 08:42 |
mdke_ | SteveA: i wasn't sure what QA on Launchpad tickets was like, so I didn't know whether it was necessary or not. I figured because it's not possible to do this myself, someone would take care of it. | 08:44 |
SteveA | that's a good point | 08:44 |
SteveA | you don't need to apologise. | 08:45 |
mdke_ | :) | 08:45 |
somerville32 | kiko: Could I get an lp admin to transfer ownership of the pike product to me? I'd like to be responsible for Pike. :) | 08:46 |
mdke_ | kiko: actually I can't find one about that. | 08:46 |
kiko | mmmm. | 08:46 |
mdke_ | there's one about not being able to delete products, but "delete product series" does't turn up anything | 08:47 |
kiko | somerville32, sure. | 08:47 |
somerville32 | kiko: Thanks. my lp.net account is cody-somerville (if you don't remember) :) | 08:47 |
kiko | how could I forget? done. | 08:48 |
mdke_ | kiko: gah, found it | 08:48 |
somerville32 | Thanks : ) | 08:48 |
mdke_ | bug 2141 | 08:48 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141 | 08:48 |
kiko | mdke_, and the word "delete" doesn't appear anywhere there? | 08:49 |
mdke_ | kiko: "remove" | 08:49 |
mdke_ | :) | 08:49 |
mdke_ | I'm adding it now | 08:49 |
kiko | yeah, bummer. we should have a table of synonyms too | 08:50 |
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mdke_ | kiko: as a matter of general interest, and not in any way to make a point to LarstiQ, I only found that bug when I used the guided form, a manual search didn't find it. | 08:52 |
mdke_ | one less duplicate for you guys | 08:52 |
kiko | mdke_, the guided form is much better than the actual search, ironically. I'm not sure exactly why, but bjorn are going to look into it | 08:53 |
kiko | s/are/is | 08:53 |
mdke_ | cool | 08:53 |
somerville32 | kiko: How would I get a new external bug tracker added? | 08:53 |
kiko | somerville32, bugs.launchpad.net/bugtrackers | 08:54 |
kiko | err | 08:54 |
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kiko | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers | 08:54 |
kiko | bizarre | 08:54 |
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mdke_ | haha | 08:55 |
LarstiQ | mdke_: heh :) | 08:57 |
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Ubugtu | New bug: #77856 in malone "Link to bugtrackers is under bugs/ for some reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77856 | 09:05 |
popey | mdke: gotta pop out, will catch you later | 09:05 |
popey | kiko, any news on the dupes? | 09:06 |
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kiko | popey, it's a known issue and it has been worked around for now; it will be fixed properly by tomorrow, we plan. | 09:07 |
popey | cool | 09:07 |
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matthewrevell | hey popey | 09:13 |
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somerville32 | kiko: I'm trying to import a product series and the branch is 7.6 and lp says thats invalid | 09:19 |
kiko | somerville32, hmmm. where does LP say that? | 09:20 |
somerville32 | Right under it after I submit it | 09:20 |
somerville32 | Your CVS branch name is invalid. | 09:20 |
somerville32 | The branch representing the upstream codebase for this product series. | 09:20 |
kiko | CVS branch names can't contain dots, somerville32 | 09:20 |
kiko | is it 7_6? | 09:20 |
kiko | I mean, CVS disallows it. | 09:20 |
somerville32 | kiko: http://pike.ida.liu.se/development/cvs/browse.xml?module=Pike | 09:21 |
kiko | somerville32, that's the directory name -- not the branch name. | 09:22 |
kiko | I think the branch there is head | 09:22 |
somerville32 | Oh right | 09:22 |
somerville32 | This is CVS | 09:22 |
kiko | yeah, you know, old crufty and just works. :-) | 09:22 |
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somerville32 | kiko: I set a product for a package in Feisty but that doesn't copy over to the package in previous releases (ie. edgy). | 09:36 |
kiko | somerville32, doesn't it? it should, at least that's how it should work | 09:36 |
somerville32 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/pike7.6/ | 09:36 |
kiko | are you saying this because when you go to report the upstream task it's not prefilled? | 09:36 |
somerville32 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/pike7.6/ | 09:36 |
somerville32 | kiko: No. I just noticed it when looking at the source package for different releases. I figure that a product shouldn't be ubuntu-release specific (as it is already branch specific) | 09:37 |
somerville32 | I haven't tested doing anything with it yet | 09:38 |
kiko | somerville32, the product series is release-specific I think | 09:39 |
kiko | but that's all | 09:39 |
kiko | and Launchpad's fairly smart where we try to use it | 09:39 |
somerville32 | I just think that the product series should be assigned to the package, not the target | 09:40 |
kiko | well, different product series go to different package releases | 09:40 |
somerville32 | Does it get copied when there is a new target? | 09:41 |
somerville32 | ie. feisty+1 | 09:41 |
somerville32 | Or will we have to redo all of this again in feisty+1? | 09:42 |
kiko | well | 09:42 |
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kiko | not exactly | 09:42 |
kiko | we /could/ copy it when feisty+1 releases | 09:42 |
kiko | but there are chances it will be wrong | 09:42 |
somerville32 | Right... | 09:42 |
kiko | there's also the fact that the information is useful mostly for filing of upstream bugs | 09:42 |
somerville32 | I'm just thinking python and pike | 09:42 |
somerville32 | where each source package is a different branch | 09:42 |
kiko | where in fact it does the right thing | 09:42 |
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LarstiQ | kiko: 'and if you look at\n\nThe second URL,' in your Packages vs upstream mail | 10:19 |
kiko | really? I fucked it up? | 10:20 |
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kiko | BjornT- -- minus? | 10:20 |
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BjornT | hi kiko | 10:21 |
kiko | how's it going my man | 10:22 |
BjornT | came home a few hours ago, and i'm still unpacking and getting settled again. but i'm looking forward to start working again after a quite long break :) | 10:24 |
kiko | heh | 10:24 |
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kiko | wrong button :-) | 10:24 |
LarstiQ | could it be possible that mail I sent to 76962@bugs.launchpad.net last week hasn't showed up in launchpad yet? | 10:39 |
LarstiQ | ooh, bugs.launchpad.net/~larstiq | 10:50 |
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LarstiQ | I had some new information to add to a bug, but couldn't find it in my list of subscribed bugs anymore. Thankfully it's the first hit on google | 10:58 |
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mdke__ | I've recently been having some fun with a friend of mine who I introduced to launchpad in order to file a bug. | 10:58 |
mdke__ | he found that google was the *only* way he could find his bug again | 10:59 |
mdke__ | we've filed/commented on loads of usability bugs as a result | 10:59 |
LarstiQ | this isn't even interface wise, other bugs are in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~larstiq/+subscribedbugs , but 55795 isn't | 11:00 |
LarstiQ | nor it's duplicate, where my subscription comes from, #57394 | 11:01 |
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LarstiQ | mdke__: thanks for the hint, using the guided form finds more bugs | 11:03 |
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mdke | heh | 11:03 |
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LarstiQ | https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/61534 looks like my problem | 11:04 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 61534 in launchpad "Subscribed Bugs is missing one bug" [Undecided,Rejected] | 11:04 |
LarstiQ | hah | 11:05 |
LarstiQ | mdke: and to top it off, in +subscribedbugs 3720 is listed twice. Once in Debian and once in upstream :) | 11:06 |
mdke | LarstiQ: there is a bug about that | 11:06 |
mdke | I had the same thing the other day | 11:06 |
lifeless | moining | 11:24 |
SteveA | lifeless: ping | 11:35 |
lifeless | pong | 11:35 |
Ubugtu | New bug: #77877 in rosetta "Speedcrunch's template and upstream translations missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77877 | 11:40 |
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lifeless | Keybuk: what lappy did you buy ? | 11:47 |
Keybuk | lifeless: Dell D420 | 11:48 |
lifeless | nice | 11:49 |
Ubugtu | New bug: #77880 in launchpad "Search operator or (|) works poorly with bugnumbers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77880 | 11:50 |
Keybuk | lifeless: still playing with the font configuration | 11:51 |
Keybuk | at the moment, it's not quite right | 11:51 |
lifeless | :) | 11:51 |
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