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mdkeif I see a Launchpad bug and think that I know a good person to take a look at it, is it ok for me to assign the bug to that person, even if I don't work on launchpad?01:40
mdkempt: on the basis that you are that person, if you're around, the question is for you01:40
LarstiQit has been to long since I filed bugs on launchpad-bazaar01:42
LarstiQbut I _think_ I'd assign them to ddaa01:42
ddaawell01:43
ddaabetter not to assign them01:43
ddaaand let the developers do it01:43
mdkethe thing is, subscribing takes more clicks01:43
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ddaain my experience, randomly assigning bugs to people is a good way for the bug to be ignored01:44
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ddaabecause the person whose it is assigned to knows it has not be assigned after discussion, etc.01:45
ddaaand everybody else thinks the assignee knows what's up...01:45
mdkesubscribing is ok?01:45
ddaawell01:45
ddaaif you expect a reply from a specific person, better to write an email with a link to the bug01:45
ddaaa hand-written email is much more effective than anything else01:45
mdkehmm01:46
ddaaif you are lazy, better to let the bug triaging work normally01:46
mdkeand what's the point of the "subscribe someone else" then?01:46
ddaadevs routinely the bugs mailing list to know about new bug01:46
ddaaIt's needed sometime01:47
ddaalike "joe: I'm going to file a bug about it!"01:47
ddaa"tom: okay please subscribe me"01:47
mdkeoh well. Pardon me mpt, I already subscribed you01:47
ddaaespecially useful when there is not a bugs ML as for launchpad01:47
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thumpermdke, I agree with ddaa on this, a personal email would make me look at it02:08
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mdkethumper: don't you look at bugmail? afaics, that's a very good use of the "subscribe someone else" feature, to ask people's opinions on bugs where that person is well equipped to comment02:13
mdkein this case, I know Matthew reads his bugmail from bitter experience02:14
mdke;)02:14
mdkemoot point of course, while it's not working, but still.02:14
thumpermdke, nope not at this point in time02:16
thumperI probably should02:16
mdkeheh02:16
mdkethumper: btw I just looked at your personal page, and saw that you had to force your MSN/Yahoo details into "IRC", do you know if a bug is open about that?02:17
mdkeI might file one, I'm in a bug filing mood today02:18
thumpermdke, go for it, I don't know of any right now02:18
mdkealrighty02:19
mdke(bug 77758)02:21
UbugtuMalone bug 77758 in launchpad "Person page has no option for instant messaging protocols other than IRC/Jabber" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7775802:21
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mptmdke, subscribing me to a Launchpad bug will only result in me receiving two notifications of each change to it instead of one :-)02:37
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=== ..[topic/#launchpad:stub] : Developer meeting: Thu 4 Jan 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
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Bhaskarhello everybody04:59
Bhaskarwho know about schooltool translation pls help me04:59
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RinchenBhaskar, http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/translating-schooltool.org05:10
Rincheni.e. Tom Hoffman would be a good choice05:10
BhaskarRinchen: i go through this link, create templet and create .po file05:11
BhaskarRinchen:then i convert .mo, compile tool but can not get success to translate in all why05:12
Rinchenare you using https://launchpad.net/products/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool  ?05:12
Rinchenand doing a rosetta import?05:12
RinchenI am showing that the Napali translation is done except for 1 item.05:15
Bhaskarrinchen: i have done this translation in rosetta05:16
Rinchenexcellent, and I just fixed your 1 todo item so it's now at 100%05:16
BhaskarRinchen: then i download .po and .mo file from there and compile schooltool but i can success partially05:17
Rinchentry it again.05:17
RinchenI fixed one error.05:18
BhaskarRinchen: i have many try05:18
RinchenYou can also post the compile error in pastebin or post to the mailing list.05:18
BhaskarRinchen:no error occours while make update-translation05:19
Rinchenso it's a program compile error? I have to send you back to Tom Hoffman again.05:20
RinchenSorry I can't be of more help.05:20
BhaskarRinchen: i think schoolBell and schooltool both .mo & .po file both compile simultaneously05:20
BhaskarRinchen: there is any relation in schoolbell and schooltool for translation?05:21
RinchenI do not know for certain but I would think yes. Schoolbell is one of the 4 applications that make up Schooltool05:23
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violotIs there a Beryl Product on Launchpad?!06:26
violotI don't see one :'(06:26
Hobbseethey run their own bugtracker, i believe06:27
violotAww, darn.06:27
violotThanks.06:27
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carlosmorning!09:12
matthewrevellcarlos: morning :)09:12
mdkempt: even worse. Go ahead and unsubscribe, sorry09:16
mdkemorning carlos, matthewrevell 09:16
matthewrevellmdke: hi :)09:16
mdkehow are you?09:17
mptmdke, one day such subscriptions will be managed in Launchpad, instead of by mailing lists, so it will be obvious whether someone is already watching a bug09:23
mdkempt: nice09:24
mptand we'll all have ponies!09:25
mdkeyou can have mine09:25
stubI'll take Launchpad down soon for a production rollout. Downtime should be only a  few minutes09:26
mdkeoh wow, is that email coming back?09:26
FujitsuOoh! Email!09:28
FujitsuWill all the old email come with it, or is that still some time away?09:28
mdkehang on, he hasn't said yes yet09:28
stubemail fix hasn't been done yet09:32
mptand Top Men are considering how to handle the backlog in a non-diluvian fashion.09:38
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stubLaunchpad will be going down in 15 minutes time for a code update. Estimated downtime is under 10 minutes.10:01
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matthewrevellHowdy chaps. A Launchpad user has complained that he receives an email each time he makes a change to a bug. He says that he knows he made the change, so does not need an email. Is there a way he can opt out of email about things he has done, whilst still receiving notification of what others have done?10:08
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carlosmatthewrevell: I don't think that possible atm10:20
carlosmatthewrevell: I don't think that's possible atm10:20
matthewrevellcarlos: Do you think it's worth me adding it to tomorrow's meeting agenda?10:20
carlosmatthewrevell: that's something bugzilla has and I'm sure someone already complained about it10:23
carlosmatthewrevell: let me check whether there is a bug report for such feature (once launchpad is back to life)10:24
matthewrevellcarlos: cool, thanks10:25
carlosmatthewrevell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/54810:29
carlosmatthewrevell: It's accepted so I guess the only discussion is whether its priority should be higher10:31
matthewrevellcarlos: Yeah. How is the priority decided upon?10:31
carlosmatthewrevell: it's up to the developer, managers and people request10:32
carlosif there is a lot of people asking for it, we give higher priority10:32
matthewrevellcarlos: Thanks. I'll tag it as fix-it-friday.10:32
carloscheck it first with BjornT10:32
carlosI'm not sure whether it could be fixed in one day10:32
matthewrevellok10:33
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lifelesscan someone ensure ddaa knows gnome has switched to svn?11:12
LarstiQI haven't seen him mention it11:15
lifelessyah11:16
lifelessI'm going to sleep soon though11:16
lifeless:)11:16
LarstiQI'll let him know11:17
mptSteveA, I don't get three conflicts, I get 1511:22
lifelessLarstiQ: thanks!11:22
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cprovgood morning.11:56
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carloscprov: morning!12:03
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SteveAmpt: wow. 12:19
SteveAmpt: maybe use my branch and merge into that?12:19
mptSteveA, I mailed you the results12:20
mptbut I'm going to bed now12:21
mptI resolved the conflicts, anyway12:21
mptpush hasn't finished yet, though, try in ~20 minutes12:21
SteveAmpt: thanks, got the email.  I'll try in 30 mins, and I'll fix the other problem you mentioned.12:21
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carlosddaa: hi12:22
carlosddaa: lifeless asked us to note to you that GNOME migrate to SVN12:22
ddaa...12:23
ddaaI think I might go for a week long trek in the desert...12:23
ddaaOh, actually I have one booked next week!12:24
carlosddaa: ;-)12:24
ddaaI'll figure out what the gnome transition means when I come back...12:24
ddaaI guess it will just mean that all cvs.gnome.org imports (lots of) will be obsolete12:25
LarstiQddaa: what desert are you visiting?12:25
ddaaThe only desert that be, man :)12:26
ddaaGoing to the Great Western Erg12:27
ddaain Morocco12:27
LarstiQsweet12:27
ddaathe nice thing...12:28
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ddaais that people will be able to use bzr-svn on gnome...12:28
ddaalotsa sweetness12:28
ddaaLarstiQ: been to the Great Eastern Erg in Tunisia two years ago.12:28
ddaalots of sand and dunes12:29
ddaavery refreshing for the mind12:29
ddaaalso, since we're going very much out of season12:30
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carlosddaa: what's the status of bzr-svn ?12:30
carlosis it usable?12:30
ddaawe do not get to see much noisy-tourists-in-4x412:30
ddaaso one last year... while we were treading with our camels...12:31
ddaawas... weird...12:31
ddaacarlos: cannot say for you12:31
LarstiQddaa: weird? :)12:31
ddaacarlos: I know jelmer has been very active lately12:31
carlosok12:32
ddaacarlos: so it's a safe bet to say it's getting better :)12:32
carlos:-P12:32
LarstiQ23:21:33 <jelmer> ik had niets gepland maar bzr-svn is wel echt ver gevorderd opeens :-)12:32
LarstiQ23:21:50 <jelmer> ken geen repositories meer die nog failen12:33
ddaaLarstiQ: like... "what the fuck are are they doing!?? Storm in 4x4, take pics, storm out. In about the time it takes us to walk up and down two dunes..."12:33
LarstiQ'I had nothing planned but bzr-svn did advance a lot suddenly' 'Don't know any repositories anymore that fail'12:33
carlosLarstiQ: that sounds like really good news!12:33
LarstiQcarlos: prove him wrong with a failing repository! ;)12:34
ddaaLarstiQ: thanks for translating, at first I thought this quote was about herring sandwiches.12:34
LarstiQddaa: :P12:34
LarstiQthe biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is the branching scheme, but that ties in with people getting the same revisions in different conversions, and meh12:35
ddaaLarstiQ: I do not think there's any way around it until bzr has more direct support for file copy12:36
ddaaThe biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is that deterministic revision ids scare me.12:37
LarstiQit's a very useful property, but I don't oversee all the implications12:37
ddaaWith Arch already, it was a screwed proposition, but it was not much of problem because people tended not to duplicate baz-import work in practice.12:37
ddaaLarstiQ: that's precisely the problem12:38
ddaait's very powerful, and most people do not understand the implications12:38
ddaaso I fully expect that people will be screwing around with bzr-svn and fuck up12:38
ddaaI bet, the first time we see an email about bzr complaining of inconsistent/corrupt repository data, it will be because of bzr-svn.12:40
ddaaor rather, because of somebody hacking carelessly on bzr-svn12:40
LarstiQgit does this nicely by being "the same" if the content matches12:40
ddaawhich prevents things like bzr-svn from being efficient in the first place12:40
LarstiQddaa: oh, I've seen corrupt repository data before :)12:41
ddaaI mean, a user asking on the mailing list, with panick in his eyes.12:41
ddaaNot people who hack repository formats for fun over breakfast.12:41
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matthewrevellIs Matsubara due to be around today?01:03
HobbseeWHEE!!!!01:42
Hobbseebugmail for teams is there again01:43
aa_now *that's* what I call bugmail!01:55
Hobbseeyup01:55
aa_44! how active are we, huh!01:55
aa_thanks guys01:56
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statichello01:57
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YannigHello everybody :)02:57
matthewrevellYannig: Hello Yannig02:58
YannigI have a little problem :)02:58
matthewrevellYannig: Perhaps I can help :)02:58
YannigI try to upload translations and it tells me the Launchpad header is not in the file02:58
matthewrevellHmm, just a moment.02:59
YannigAll I did is: downloading the file, changing the filename, translating with gtranslator and changing the header (via gtranslator), nothing more02:59
YannigLast year, this problem could be solved by remplacing ++ by + but it seems the problem is different now03:00
matthewrevellYannig: Before I find a developer, are you sure the Launchpad header is in the file?03:04
YannigLet me copy paste it :)03:04
matthewrevellok03:05
Yannig# Occitan (post 1500) translation for gtranslator03:06
Yannig# Copyright (c) (c) 2006 Canonical Ltd, and Rosetta Contributors 200603:06
Yannig# This file is distributed under the same license as the gtranslator package.03:06
Yannig# Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya)  <yannig@marchegay.org>, 2006.03:06
Yannig# , fuzzy03:06
Yannig# 03:06
Yannig# 03:06
Yannigmsgid ""03:06
Yannigmsgstr ""03:06
Yannig"Project-Id-Version: gtranslator\n"03:06
Yannig"Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n"03:06
Yannig"POT-Creation-Date: 2006-06-19 20:15+0000\n"03:06
Yannig"PO-Revision-Date: 2007-01-03 12:09+0100\n"03:06
Yannig"Last-Translator: Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya)  <yannig@marchegay.org>\n"03:06
Yannig"Language-Team: Occitan (post 1500) <ubuntu-l10n-oci@lists.ubuntu.com>\n"03:06
Yannig"MIME-Version: 1.0\n"03:06
Yannig"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n"03:06
Yannig"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"03:06
Yannig"Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);"03:06
NafalloYannig: please use paste.ubuntu-nl.org next time :-)03:06
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YannigUps, sorry :(03:07
matthewrevellcarlos: Yannig here has a problem with uploading a translation. Rosetta tells him that the Launchpad header isn't in the file. Are you able to help?03:08
carlosmatthewrevell: sure03:09
carlosYannig: let me read...03:09
carlosYannig: you are missing the export header added by Rosetta03:10
carlosYannig: where did you get that file from ?03:10
YannigI went to the online translation page, I clicked Download, I downloaded from the link in my webmail and that's it03:11
carlosYannig: hmmm, which program did you use to edit it?03:12
Yanniggtranslator03:12
carlosYannig: could you give me the link from where you got the file? (the one you got by email)03:13
Yannighttp://librarian.launchpad.net/5579424/oc.po for example03:13
carlosYannig: ok, gtranslator is broken03:14
YannigHumpf03:14
carlosYannig: until they fix it (I'm going to file a bug)03:14
YannigCan I copy-paste Launchpad header so as to upload my translation or is that too late?03:14
carlosyou have two options, change your editor, or add by hand the header: X-Rosetta-Export-Date03:14
carlosa you get it from Launchpad/Rosetta03:15
carlosYannig: just copy it and it will work03:15
carlosYannig: don't change the timestamp, it's just a way to detect conflicts if someone changed a translation after you downloaded the file03:15
YannigFair enough03:15
carlosjust copy it as you got it03:15
carlosYannig: thanks for the info03:16
carloslet me file the bug in gtranslator and will give you hte link03:16
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matthewrevellcarlos: Thanks for your help.03:25
carlosmatthewrevell: np03:25
carlosYannig: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39232303:28
UbugtuGnome bug 392323 in general "Gtranslator removes all custom headers" [Normal,Unconfirmed]   - Assigned to ross@golder.org03:28
YannigWhat should I do with it? Confirming it o just following?03:29
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carlosYannig: follow it03:49
carlosYannig: just in case you are interested03:49
carlos;-)03:49
YannigThanks :)03:49
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Nafallohi! how do packages end up on ~nafallo/+packages? :-)04:01
NafalloI miss gajim :-P04:01
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robbyflobbyhi04:06
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Yannigcarlos: I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but Launchpad still does not accept my import :(04:47
YannigUps, sorry, the import I'm talking about was yesterday :(04:48
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staticmatthewrevell: should I be choosing work for Fix-it-Friday based on the Fix-it-Friday tags, or can I choose other bugs?04:57
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matthewrevellstatic: If you spot bugs that you think would be good candidates for FiF, it'd be cool if you could tag them fix-it-friday. It's just a way to help keep track of what people might work on for FiF, rather than saying what should be worked on.04:59
staticmatthewrevell: ok, that makes sense05:00
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carlosYannig: there is an extra '+' char (my fault, it was fixed before Christmas)05:29
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Yannigcarlos: Sorry, it was a mistake from me. Launchpad sent me a notification about an import 18 hours ago so it should be nice now :)05:31
carlosYannig: cool ;-)05:32
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kikohello hello05:38
YannigHello kiko :)05:39
YannigUps carlos, not so nice :(05:39
LarstiQhi kiko05:39
kikowhat's up05:40
YannigI added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but We didn't import it because you didn't get it from Rosetta or05:40
Yannigyou removed the tag we put in the files exported from Rosetta. :(05:40
kikoI think that bug was actually fixed05:40
Yannigkiko: Some mess with gtranslator but carlos explained me how to fix it05:41
carlosYannig: remove the extra '+' char05:41
carlosYannig: that's enough05:41
YannigUps, thanks :)05:41
carlosYannig: we were exporting bad timestamps for a week, so it's only needed for files that were exported more than two weeks ago05:42
YannigThanks :)05:42
carloskiko: he's adding the header by hand to files exported some time ago05:42
kikoah05:42
YannigSome time ago = beginning of week :P05:43
carlosYannig: well, if you have the '++' chars, it cannot be from this week05:44
carlosotherwise, we had a regression...05:44
YannigI may have made a copy-paste from an older file then05:45
carlosYannig: could you confirm it, please?05:46
YannigFair enough05:47
Yannigcarlos: Yes, you're right, there's no more problem :)05:49
carlosYannig: cool. thanks for checking it05:50
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mdke_good job on getting email working guys07:27
SteveAthanks mdke_.  stuart came up with a creative solution to the problem for now07:28
SteveAbut we still need to fix an underlying issue07:28
mdke_cool07:29
popeyumm07:29
popeyI am getting two mails for every one from launchpad...07:29
popey..is that a known problem?07:29
mdke_I had a few emails more than once as well, but only a few07:29
kikopopey, two for the price of one? 07:30
popeysame message being sent twice07:31
popeyis this the right place to report the problem?07:31
mdke_yes, kiko was just joking07:31
kikoSteveA, mdke_: is there a known problem that I don't know about?07:32
popey:)07:32
mdke_kiko: you tell us07:32
popeydoes someone want the full headered mails sent to them for analysis?07:32
kikopopey, yeah, please forward the pair to kiko@canonical.com07:33
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mdke_I had three of some, I think07:33
popeyok07:33
kikowow07:33
kikopopey, are they absolutely identical?07:34
kikoor are times and so on different?07:34
popeythey are identical up to the point when they leave the first box 07:35
popeywhich would make sense07:35
popeysent, from alan@popey.com07:35
popeyif you want more pairs just ask07:35
popeyI have "a few"07:35
popeythey are from the support ticket system, if it's useful for you to know, it started happening this morning, and last night i merged two accounts on launchpad07:36
kikothanks popey.07:36
kikohmmm.07:36
kikothat definitely should not happen as we only email your preferred email address07:36
popeyindeed07:36
popeyand i ditched the old email address07:36
kikobizarre squared07:37
popeyboth are to: the same address anyway07:37
kikobut I'll look into it07:37
popeythanks kiko 07:37
popeyoff to put daughter to bed, back in 3007:37
mdke_popey: grab me when you get back07:37
popeywilco07:38
mdke_ty07:38
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LarstiQI can manually enter https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug-advanced, but could I set a preference to always get the complicated form when filing bugs on bzr?08:00
kikoLarstiQ, not yet you can't. how could we set that preference, though?08:01
LarstiQvery good question08:01
kikomaybe have something like [/]  Always use the complicated file-a-bug form at the end of the form?08:01
LarstiQWell, for non products/bzr, I'd like some guided filing08:01
mdke_what's the difference between advanced and simple? That looks pretty simply already08:02
kikoright08:02
kikoso08:02
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kiko  [/]  Always use the complicated file-a-bug form for Bazaar (upstream)08:02
kikoperhaps?08:02
LarstiQbut for that specific product (one of which I'm a member of the registrant), I a) have a good idea of the bugs there b) manually check before filing a bug anyway08:02
kikoyeah08:03
kikoLarstiQ, do you find it irksome that the list of matching bugs doesn't include the status?08:03
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mdke_I think that guided form is seriously awesome. I've never seen it on any other bug managers, it's my favourite Launchpad feature. I don't see the point of any other type of form, tbh, it's just one extra click.08:06
mdke_sorry if it seems out of line for me to jump into this conversation08:07
kikono, I appreciate the comment08:07
LarstiQkiko: yes, that does add an extra step 08:07
kikoI however get bothered when using it for launchpad08:07
LarstiQmdke_: it's rather hard to be out of line when jumping into one of my conversations :)08:07
LarstiQkiko: my problem was different though08:07
kikobecause I can't easily check if the bug is one that was fixed 100 years ago 08:07
mdke_thanks for reassuring me08:07
Seveaskiko, ubugtu is broken because lp.net/malone/$bugid/+text no longer works :/08:08
mdke_kiko: the solution is to add the status to the list, rather than provide a different form though, IMO08:08
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LarstiQkiko: Since I check the reported bugs first when investigating an issue, having to go through it again is double effort.08:08
kikomdke_, yeah, same here!08:08
mdke_you don't have to read it :)08:08
LarstiQkiko: I _could_ learn to search by trying to file a bug first, but that feels wrong08:08
kikoI'll fix that.08:08
Seveaskiko, ubugtu is now fixed08:08
kikoSeveas, just the URL changearound? sorry for not notifying08:09
LarstiQkiko: and I don't have enough trust I'm seeing all the bugs08:09
Seveasbut no irc notifications will be given for mail received since it's been working again08:09
LarstiQkiko: also, I don't always write the summary first :)08:09
kikoLarstiQ, you'd like to see more bugs in the list?08:09
Seveasbecause ubugtu registered those as already seen befor launchpad errored out08:09
kikoSeveas, that's life. no worries. :)08:09
LarstiQkiko: if for guided it gives the best matching bugs, then no, it should not be needed.08:10
LarstiQHowever, not trusting the search feature just yet, I'd like to see every single bug that I can think of08:10
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LarstiQkiko: if launchpad were able to DWIW, then I'd be happy ;)08:11
mdke_I would have thought you're quite likely to enter the same terms in the Bug summary that you would enter into a search box... so as long as the search mechanism works, you should be ok, right?08:14
LarstiQmdke_: I don't trust the search mechanism :)08:15
mdke_but then you don't trust the regular search mechanism either, right?08:15
mdke_so you read all reported bugs before filing?08:16
LarstiQmdke_: true, it's still stupid there. But it returns all the results, and I can try different terms untill I'm satisfied I've had all likely candidates08:16
kikoLarstiQ has "issues"08:16
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mdke_don't we all :)08:16
LarstiQmdke_: I read all the summaries of the normal search for a couple of relevant terms, yes.08:16
mdke_ok, so if you enter those relevant terms in the bug summary, which would seem reasonable to me, you'll see em08:17
mdke_changing the subject briefly, what's the average response time for LP support requests?08:17
LarstiQmdke_: ah, but the guided form limits the number of bugs returned. And I think the search does not work well with more than one term08:18
kikomdke_, it's pretty bad over the holidays, but pretty good otherwise :)08:20
mdke_kiko: that kinda changes my question to "what's pretty good"08:20
mdke_a week, a month, etc08:21
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kikoLarstiQ, so what if we listed more bugs, or offered a link to list all bugs?08:21
kiko(for those terms)08:21
kikomdke_, a few days.08:21
kikoat most08:22
mdke_kiko: ouch. Mine is very forgotten then. Maybe you can poke someone about it: ticket 2796 (I posted to lp-users about it too, but had no reply)08:22
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kikodoes Ubugtu know about tickets?08:23
mdke_guess not08:23
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LarstiQkiko: that would leave the unnatural feeling, doing a +filebug when what I initially want to do is only investigate if it's already filed08:24
LarstiQbut that's very cosmetic08:24
kikomdke_, I don't know how product series are to be deleted. this is something that SteveA and stub need to sort out, really08:24
LarstiQkiko: how about changing the order?08:25
kikoLarstiQ, well.. yes. I think having a sticky pref for using the complicated form is not bad08:25
kikoLarstiQ, changing what order?08:25
mdke_kiko: I'll bug them, thanks08:25
LarstiQkiko: first the search part of guided, and then the option of filing a bug08:25
mdke_SteveA: still here?08:25
kikoLarstiQ, well.. that's how it works already. :-)08:26
kikoyou might not feel comfortable with it yet, but that can change with time!08:26
LarstiQkiko: if I +filebug from a search, it _still_ walks me through it's own search part08:27
SteveAmdke_: no.08:28
SteveAmdke_: I'm cooking up one of fabbione's special pasta recipes08:28
SteveAthanks fabbione 08:28
mdke_maybe have a checkbox on the first page of the guided form |x| I've performed a rigorous search for this bug, don't show me your silly paternalistic search results08:28
mdke_or |x| Give me your most outstanding feature yet08:29
mdke_SteveA: ok, if you happen to come back, it's ticket 2796 I'm chasing about08:29
somerville32Could I get an lp admin to transfer ownership of the pike product to me? I'd like to be responsible for Pike. :)08:31
SteveAmdke_: got a URL for that?08:31
mdke_SteveA: i'll get it08:31
SteveAmdke_: I don't think we have a URL redirector for ticket number -> ticket URL yet08:31
SteveAelmo filed a bug on it recently, for a FiF task08:32
mdke_good idea08:32
mdke_https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/279608:32
mdke_don't let your paste overcook though!08:32
SteveAmdke_: why is it important to do what is requested in that ticket?08:33
LarstiQmdke_: the most filed bugs sure is useful, though more for me to remind what people are doing than hitting one of those myself08:33
SteveAif it's not clear why something is important, it's natural it'll not get on someone's priority list08:34
mdke_SteveA: I wouldn't go as far as saying it is "important". But it needs to be done, because people are adding translations to a dead template. I'm only chasing it because kiko said average response time was a few days08:34
kikoSteveA, that's not a really fair reply though. it's only "natural" because we suck at deleting things, but that's way not mdke_'s fault :)08:37
mdke_is there a bug about deleting product series already?08:38
kikothere /must be/08:40
UbugtuNew bug: #77853 in soyuz "Security uploads fails when assume that an accepted ".orig" file will be available before the next cron.daily run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7785308:40
SteveAmdke_: easiest thing would be to delete it08:41
SteveAmdke_: if you'd said in the report "because people are doing work on this that is wasted" then I think it would get faster attention08:42
mdke_sorry08:42
mdke_SteveA: i wasn't sure what QA on Launchpad tickets was like, so I didn't know whether it was necessary or not. I figured because it's not possible to do this myself, someone would take care of it.08:44
SteveAthat's a good point08:44
SteveAyou don't need to apologise.08:45
mdke_:)08:45
somerville32kiko: Could I get an lp admin to transfer ownership of the pike product to me? I'd like to be responsible for Pike. :)08:46
mdke_kiko: actually I can't find one about that.08:46
kikommmm.08:46
mdke_there's one about not being able to delete products, but "delete product series" does't turn up anything08:47
kikosomerville32, sure. 08:47
somerville32kiko: Thanks. my lp.net account is cody-somerville (if you don't remember) :)08:47
kikohow could I forget? done.08:48
mdke_kiko: gah, found it08:48
somerville32Thanks : )08:48
mdke_bug 214108:48
UbugtuMalone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/214108:48
kikomdke_, and the word "delete" doesn't appear anywhere there?08:49
mdke_kiko: "remove"08:49
mdke_:)08:49
mdke_I'm adding it now08:49
kikoyeah, bummer. we should have a table of synonyms too08:50
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mdke_kiko: as a matter of general interest, and not in any way to make a point to LarstiQ, I only found that bug when I used the guided form, a manual search didn't find it.08:52
mdke_one less duplicate for you guys08:52
kikomdke_, the guided form is much better than the actual search, ironically. I'm not sure exactly why, but bjorn are going to look into it08:53
kikos/are/is08:53
mdke_cool08:53
somerville32kiko: How would I get a new external bug tracker added?08:53
kikosomerville32, bugs.launchpad.net/bugtrackers08:54
kikoerr08:54
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kikohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers08:54
kikobizarre08:54
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mdke_haha08:55
LarstiQmdke_: heh :)08:57
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UbugtuNew bug: #77856 in malone "Link to bugtrackers is under bugs/ for some reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7785609:05
popeymdke: gotta pop out, will catch you later09:05
popeykiko, any news on the dupes?09:06
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kikopopey, it's a known issue and it has been worked around for now; it will be fixed properly by tomorrow, we plan.09:07
popeycool09:07
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matthewrevellhey popey09:13
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somerville32kiko: I'm trying to import a product series and the branch is 7.6 and lp says thats invalid09:19
kikosomerville32, hmmm. where does LP say that?09:20
somerville32Right under it after I submit it09:20
somerville32Your CVS branch name is invalid.09:20
somerville32The branch representing the upstream codebase for this product series.09:20
kikoCVS branch names can't contain dots, somerville32 09:20
kikois it 7_6?09:20
kikoI mean, CVS disallows it.09:20
somerville32kiko: http://pike.ida.liu.se/development/cvs/browse.xml?module=Pike09:21
kikosomerville32, that's the directory name -- not the branch name.09:22
kikoI think the branch there is head09:22
somerville32Oh right09:22
somerville32This is CVS09:22
kikoyeah, you know, old crufty and just works. :-)09:22
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somerville32kiko: I set a product for a package in Feisty but that doesn't copy over to the package in previous releases (ie. edgy).09:36
kikosomerville32, doesn't it? it should, at least that's how it should work09:36
somerville32https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/pike7.6/09:36
kikoare you saying this because when you go to report the upstream task it's not prefilled?09:36
somerville32https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/pike7.6/09:36
somerville32kiko: No. I just noticed it when looking at the source package for different releases. I figure that a product shouldn't be ubuntu-release specific (as it is already branch specific)09:37
somerville32I haven't tested doing anything with it yet09:38
kikosomerville32, the product series is release-specific I think09:39
kikobut that's all09:39
kikoand Launchpad's fairly smart where we try to use it09:39
somerville32I just think that the product series should be assigned to the package, not the target09:40
kikowell, different product series go to different package releases09:40
somerville32Does it get copied when there is a new target?09:41
somerville32ie. feisty+109:41
somerville32Or will we have to redo all of this again in feisty+1?09:42
kikowell09:42
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kikonot exactly09:42
kikowe /could/ copy it when feisty+1 releases09:42
kikobut there are chances it will be wrong09:42
somerville32Right...09:42
kikothere's also the fact that the information is useful mostly for filing of upstream bugs09:42
somerville32I'm just thinking python and pike09:42
somerville32where each source package is a different branch09:42
kikowhere in fact it does the right thing09:42
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LarstiQkiko: 'and if you look at\n\nThe second URL,' in your Packages vs upstream mail10:19
kikoreally? I fucked it up?10:20
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kikoBjornT- -- minus?10:20
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BjornThi kiko 10:21
kikohow's it going my man10:22
BjornTcame home a few hours ago, and i'm still unpacking and getting settled again. but i'm looking forward to start working again after a quite long break :)10:24
kikoheh10:24
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kikowrong button :-)10:24
LarstiQcould it be possible that mail I sent to 76962@bugs.launchpad.net last week hasn't showed up in launchpad yet?10:39
LarstiQooh, bugs.launchpad.net/~larstiq10:50
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LarstiQI had some new information to add to a bug, but couldn't find it in my list of subscribed bugs anymore. Thankfully it's the first hit on google10:58
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mdke__I've recently been having some fun with a friend of mine who I introduced to launchpad in order to file a bug.10:58
mdke__he found that google was the *only* way he could find his bug again10:59
mdke__we've filed/commented on loads of usability bugs as a result10:59
LarstiQthis isn't even interface wise, other bugs are in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~larstiq/+subscribedbugs , but 55795 isn't11:00
LarstiQnor it's duplicate, where my subscription comes from, #5739411:01
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LarstiQmdke__: thanks for the hint, using the guided form finds more bugs11:03
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mdkeheh11:03
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LarstiQhttps://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/61534 looks like my problem11:04
UbugtuMalone bug 61534 in launchpad "Subscribed Bugs is missing one bug" [Undecided,Rejected]  11:04
LarstiQhah11:05
LarstiQmdke: and to top it off, in +subscribedbugs 3720 is listed twice. Once in Debian and once in upstream :)11:06
mdkeLarstiQ: there is a bug about that11:06
mdkeI had the same thing the other day11:06
lifelessmoining11:24
SteveAlifeless: ping11:35
lifelesspong11:35
UbugtuNew bug: #77877 in rosetta "Speedcrunch's template and upstream translations missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7787711:40
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lifelessKeybuk: what lappy did you buy ?11:47
Keybuklifeless: Dell D42011:48
lifelessnice11:49
UbugtuNew bug: #77880 in launchpad "Search operator or (|) works poorly with bugnumbers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7788011:50
Keybuklifeless: still playing with the font configuration11:51
Keybukat the moment, it's not quite right11:51
lifeless:)11:51
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