[01:40] <mdke> if I see a Launchpad bug and think that I know a good person to take a look at it, is it ok for me to assign the bug to that person, even if I don't work on launchpad?
[01:40] <mdke> mpt: on the basis that you are that person, if you're around, the question is for you
[01:42] <LarstiQ> it has been to long since I filed bugs on launchpad-bazaar
[01:42] <LarstiQ> but I _think_ I'd assign them to ddaa
[01:43] <ddaa> well
[01:43] <ddaa> better not to assign them
[01:43] <ddaa> and let the developers do it
[01:43] <mdke> the thing is, subscribing takes more clicks
[01:44] <ddaa> in my experience, randomly assigning bugs to people is a good way for the bug to be ignored
[01:45] <ddaa> because the person whose it is assigned to knows it has not be assigned after discussion, etc.
[01:45] <ddaa> and everybody else thinks the assignee knows what's up...
[01:45] <mdke> subscribing is ok?
[01:45] <ddaa> well
[01:45] <ddaa> if you expect a reply from a specific person, better to write an email with a link to the bug
[01:45] <ddaa> a hand-written email is much more effective than anything else
[01:46] <mdke> hmm
[01:46] <ddaa> if you are lazy, better to let the bug triaging work normally
[01:46] <mdke> and what's the point of the "subscribe someone else" then?
[01:46] <ddaa> devs routinely the bugs mailing list to know about new bug
[01:47] <ddaa> It's needed sometime
[01:47] <ddaa> like "joe: I'm going to file a bug about it!"
[01:47] <ddaa> "tom: okay please subscribe me"
[01:47] <mdke> oh well. Pardon me mpt, I already subscribed you
[01:47] <ddaa> especially useful when there is not a bugs ML as for launchpad
[02:08] <thumper> mdke, I agree with ddaa on this, a personal email would make me look at it
[02:13] <mdke> thumper: don't you look at bugmail? afaics, that's a very good use of the "subscribe someone else" feature, to ask people's opinions on bugs where that person is well equipped to comment
[02:14] <mdke> in this case, I know Matthew reads his bugmail from bitter experience
[02:14] <mdke> ;)
[02:14] <mdke> moot point of course, while it's not working, but still.
[02:16] <thumper> mdke, nope not at this point in time
[02:16] <thumper> I probably should
[02:16] <mdke> heh
[02:17] <mdke> thumper: btw I just looked at your personal page, and saw that you had to force your MSN/Yahoo details into "IRC", do you know if a bug is open about that?
[02:18] <mdke> I might file one, I'm in a bug filing mood today
[02:18] <thumper> mdke, go for it, I don't know of any right now
[02:19] <mdke> alrighty
[02:21] <mdke> (bug 77758)
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77758 in launchpad "Person page has no option for instant messaging protocols other than IRC/Jabber" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77758
[02:37] <mpt> mdke, subscribing me to a Launchpad bug will only result in me receiving two notifications of each change to it instead of one :-)
[04:59] <Bhaskar> hello everybody
[04:59] <Bhaskar> who know about schooltool translation pls help me
[05:10] <Rinchen> Bhaskar, http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/translating-schooltool.org
[05:10] <Rinchen> i.e. Tom Hoffman would be a good choice
[05:11] <Bhaskar> Rinchen: i go through this link, create templet and create .po file
[05:12] <Bhaskar> Rinchen:then i convert .mo, compile tool but can not get success to translate in all why
[05:12] <Rinchen> are you using https://launchpad.net/products/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool  ?
[05:12] <Rinchen> and doing a rosetta import?
[05:15] <Rinchen> I am showing that the Napali translation is done except for 1 item.
[05:16] <Bhaskar> rinchen: i have done this translation in rosetta
[05:16] <Rinchen> excellent, and I just fixed your 1 todo item so it's now at 100%
[05:17] <Bhaskar> Rinchen: then i download .po and .mo file from there and compile schooltool but i can success partially
[05:17] <Rinchen> try it again.
[05:18] <Rinchen> I fixed one error.
[05:18] <Bhaskar> Rinchen: i have many try
[05:18] <Rinchen> You can also post the compile error in pastebin or post to the mailing list.
[05:19] <Bhaskar> Rinchen:no error occours while make update-translation
[05:20] <Rinchen> so it's a program compile error? I have to send you back to Tom Hoffman again.
[05:20] <Rinchen> Sorry I can't be of more help.
[05:20] <Bhaskar> Rinchen: i think schoolBell and schooltool both .mo & .po file both compile simultaneously
[05:21] <Bhaskar> Rinchen: there is any relation in schoolbell and schooltool for translation?
[05:23] <Rinchen> I do not know for certain but I would think yes. Schoolbell is one of the 4 applications that make up Schooltool
[06:26] <violot> Is there a Beryl Product on Launchpad?!
[06:26] <violot> I don't see one :'(
[06:27] <Hobbsee> they run their own bugtracker, i believe
[06:27] <violot> Aww, darn.
[06:27] <violot> Thanks.
[09:12] <carlos> morning!
[09:12] <matthewrevell> carlos: morning :)
[09:16] <mdke> mpt: even worse. Go ahead and unsubscribe, sorry
[09:16] <mdke> morning carlos, matthewrevell 
[09:16] <matthewrevell> mdke: hi :)
[09:17] <mdke> how are you?
[09:23] <mpt> mdke, one day such subscriptions will be managed in Launchpad, instead of by mailing lists, so it will be obvious whether someone is already watching a bug
[09:24] <mdke> mpt: nice
[09:25] <mpt> and we'll all have ponies!
[09:25] <mdke> you can have mine
[09:26] <stub> I'll take Launchpad down soon for a production rollout. Downtime should be only a  few minutes
[09:26] <mdke> oh wow, is that email coming back?
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Ooh! Email!
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Will all the old email come with it, or is that still some time away?
[09:28] <mdke> hang on, he hasn't said yes yet
[09:32] <stub> email fix hasn't been done yet
[09:38] <mpt> and Top Men are considering how to handle the backlog in a non-diluvian fashion.
[10:01] <stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes time for a code update. Estimated downtime is under 10 minutes.
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Howdy chaps. A Launchpad user has complained that he receives an email each time he makes a change to a bug. He says that he knows he made the change, so does not need an email. Is there a way he can opt out of email about things he has done, whilst still receiving notification of what others have done?
[10:20] <carlos> matthewrevell: I don't think that possible atm
[10:20] <carlos> matthewrevell: I don't think that's possible atm
[10:20] <matthewrevell> carlos: Do you think it's worth me adding it to tomorrow's meeting agenda?
[10:23] <carlos> matthewrevell: that's something bugzilla has and I'm sure someone already complained about it
[10:24] <carlos> matthewrevell: let me check whether there is a bug report for such feature (once launchpad is back to life)
[10:25] <matthewrevell> carlos: cool, thanks
[10:29] <carlos> matthewrevell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/548
[10:31] <carlos> matthewrevell: It's accepted so I guess the only discussion is whether its priority should be higher
[10:31] <matthewrevell> carlos: Yeah. How is the priority decided upon?
[10:32] <carlos> matthewrevell: it's up to the developer, managers and people request
[10:32] <carlos> if there is a lot of people asking for it, we give higher priority
[10:32] <matthewrevell> carlos: Thanks. I'll tag it as fix-it-friday.
[10:32] <carlos> check it first with BjornT
[10:32] <carlos> I'm not sure whether it could be fixed in one day
[10:33] <matthewrevell> ok
[11:12] <lifeless> can someone ensure ddaa knows gnome has switched to svn?
[11:15] <LarstiQ> I haven't seen him mention it
[11:16] <lifeless> yah
[11:16] <lifeless> I'm going to sleep soon though
[11:16] <lifeless> :)
[11:17] <LarstiQ> I'll let him know
[11:22] <mpt> SteveA, I don't get three conflicts, I get 15
[11:22] <lifeless> LarstiQ: thanks!
[11:56] <cprov> good morning.
[12:03] <carlos> cprov: morning!
[12:19] <SteveA> mpt: wow. 
[12:19] <SteveA> mpt: maybe use my branch and merge into that?
[12:20] <mpt> SteveA, I mailed you the results
[12:21] <mpt> but I'm going to bed now
[12:21] <mpt> I resolved the conflicts, anyway
[12:21] <mpt> push hasn't finished yet, though, try in ~20 minutes
[12:21] <SteveA> mpt: thanks, got the email.  I'll try in 30 mins, and I'll fix the other problem you mentioned.
[12:22] <carlos> ddaa: hi
[12:22] <carlos> ddaa: lifeless asked us to note to you that GNOME migrate to SVN
[12:23] <ddaa> ...
[12:23] <ddaa> I think I might go for a week long trek in the desert...
[12:24] <ddaa> Oh, actually I have one booked next week!
[12:24] <carlos> ddaa: ;-)
[12:24] <ddaa> I'll figure out what the gnome transition means when I come back...
[12:25] <ddaa> I guess it will just mean that all cvs.gnome.org imports (lots of) will be obsolete
[12:25] <LarstiQ> ddaa: what desert are you visiting?
[12:26] <ddaa> The only desert that be, man :)
[12:27] <ddaa> Going to the Great Western Erg
[12:27] <ddaa> in Morocco
[12:27] <LarstiQ> sweet
[12:28] <ddaa> the nice thing...
[12:28] <ddaa> is that people will be able to use bzr-svn on gnome...
[12:28] <ddaa> lotsa sweetness
[12:28] <ddaa> LarstiQ: been to the Great Eastern Erg in Tunisia two years ago.
[12:29] <ddaa> lots of sand and dunes
[12:29] <ddaa> very refreshing for the mind
[12:30] <ddaa> also, since we're going very much out of season
[12:30] <carlos> ddaa: what's the status of bzr-svn ?
[12:30] <carlos> is it usable?
[12:30] <ddaa> we do not get to see much noisy-tourists-in-4x4
[12:31] <ddaa> so one last year... while we were treading with our camels...
[12:31] <ddaa> was... weird...
[12:31] <ddaa> carlos: cannot say for you
[12:31] <LarstiQ> ddaa: weird? :)
[12:31] <ddaa> carlos: I know jelmer has been very active lately
[12:32] <carlos> ok
[12:32] <ddaa> carlos: so it's a safe bet to say it's getting better :)
[12:32] <carlos> :-P
[12:32] <LarstiQ> 23:21:33 <jelmer> ik had niets gepland maar bzr-svn is wel echt ver gevorderd opeens :-)
[12:33] <LarstiQ> 23:21:50 <jelmer> ken geen repositories meer die nog failen
[12:33] <ddaa> LarstiQ: like... "what the fuck are are they doing!?? Storm in 4x4, take pics, storm out. In about the time it takes us to walk up and down two dunes..."
[12:33] <LarstiQ> 'I had nothing planned but bzr-svn did advance a lot suddenly' 'Don't know any repositories anymore that fail'
[12:33] <carlos> LarstiQ: that sounds like really good news!
[12:34] <LarstiQ> carlos: prove him wrong with a failing repository! ;)
[12:34] <ddaa> LarstiQ: thanks for translating, at first I thought this quote was about herring sandwiches.
[12:34] <LarstiQ> ddaa: :P
[12:35] <LarstiQ> the biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is the branching scheme, but that ties in with people getting the same revisions in different conversions, and meh
[12:36] <ddaa> LarstiQ: I do not think there's any way around it until bzr has more direct support for file copy
[12:37] <ddaa> The biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is that deterministic revision ids scare me.
[12:37] <LarstiQ> it's a very useful property, but I don't oversee all the implications
[12:37] <ddaa> With Arch already, it was a screwed proposition, but it was not much of problem because people tended not to duplicate baz-import work in practice.
[12:38] <ddaa> LarstiQ: that's precisely the problem
[12:38] <ddaa> it's very powerful, and most people do not understand the implications
[12:38] <ddaa> so I fully expect that people will be screwing around with bzr-svn and fuck up
[12:40] <ddaa> I bet, the first time we see an email about bzr complaining of inconsistent/corrupt repository data, it will be because of bzr-svn.
[12:40] <ddaa> or rather, because of somebody hacking carelessly on bzr-svn
[12:40] <LarstiQ> git does this nicely by being "the same" if the content matches
[12:40] <ddaa> which prevents things like bzr-svn from being efficient in the first place
[12:41] <LarstiQ> ddaa: oh, I've seen corrupt repository data before :)
[12:41] <ddaa> I mean, a user asking on the mailing list, with panick in his eyes.
[12:41] <ddaa> Not people who hack repository formats for fun over breakfast.
[01:03] <matthewrevell> Is Matsubara due to be around today?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> WHEE!!!!
[01:43] <Hobbsee> bugmail for teams is there again
[01:55] <aa_> now *that's* what I call bugmail!
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yup
[01:55] <aa_> 44! how active are we, huh!
[01:56] <aa_> thanks guys
[01:57] <static> hello
[02:57] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[02:58] <matthewrevell> Yannig: Hello Yannig
[02:58] <Yannig> I have a little problem :)
[02:58] <matthewrevell> Yannig: Perhaps I can help :)
[02:58] <Yannig> I try to upload translations and it tells me the Launchpad header is not in the file
[02:59] <matthewrevell> Hmm, just a moment.
[02:59] <Yannig> All I did is: downloading the file, changing the filename, translating with gtranslator and changing the header (via gtranslator), nothing more
[03:00] <Yannig> Last year, this problem could be solved by remplacing ++ by + but it seems the problem is different now
[03:04] <matthewrevell> Yannig: Before I find a developer, are you sure the Launchpad header is in the file?
[03:04] <Yannig> Let me copy paste it :)
[03:05] <matthewrevell> ok
[03:06] <Yannig> # Occitan (post 1500) translation for gtranslator
[03:06] <Yannig> # Copyright (c) (c) 2006 Canonical Ltd, and Rosetta Contributors 2006
[03:06] <Yannig> # This file is distributed under the same license as the gtranslator package.
[03:06] <Yannig> # Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya)  <yannig@marchegay.org>, 2006.
[03:06] <Yannig> # , fuzzy
[03:06] <Yannig> # 
[03:06] <Yannig> # 
[03:06] <Yannig> msgid ""
[03:06] <Yannig> msgstr ""
[03:06] <Yannig> "Project-Id-Version: gtranslator\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "POT-Creation-Date: 2006-06-19 20:15+0000\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "PO-Revision-Date: 2007-01-03 12:09+0100\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "Last-Translator: Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya)  <yannig@marchegay.org>\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "Language-Team: Occitan (post 1500) <ubuntu-l10n-oci@lists.ubuntu.com>\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
[03:06] <Yannig> "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);"
[03:06] <Nafallo> Yannig: please use paste.ubuntu-nl.org next time :-)
[03:07] <Yannig> Ups, sorry :(
[03:08] <matthewrevell> carlos: Yannig here has a problem with uploading a translation. Rosetta tells him that the Launchpad header isn't in the file. Are you able to help?
[03:09] <carlos> matthewrevell: sure
[03:09] <carlos> Yannig: let me read...
[03:10] <carlos> Yannig: you are missing the export header added by Rosetta
[03:10] <carlos> Yannig: where did you get that file from ?
[03:11] <Yannig> I went to the online translation page, I clicked Download, I downloaded from the link in my webmail and that's it
[03:12] <carlos> Yannig: hmmm, which program did you use to edit it?
[03:12] <Yannig> gtranslator
[03:13] <carlos> Yannig: could you give me the link from where you got the file? (the one you got by email)
[03:13] <Yannig> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5579424/oc.po for example
[03:14] <carlos> Yannig: ok, gtranslator is broken
[03:14] <Yannig> Humpf
[03:14] <carlos> Yannig: until they fix it (I'm going to file a bug)
[03:14] <Yannig> Can I copy-paste Launchpad header so as to upload my translation or is that too late?
[03:14] <carlos> you have two options, change your editor, or add by hand the header: X-Rosetta-Export-Date
[03:15] <carlos> a you get it from Launchpad/Rosetta
[03:15] <carlos> Yannig: just copy it and it will work
[03:15] <carlos> Yannig: don't change the timestamp, it's just a way to detect conflicts if someone changed a translation after you downloaded the file
[03:15] <Yannig> Fair enough
[03:15] <carlos> just copy it as you got it
[03:16] <carlos> Yannig: thanks for the info
[03:16] <carlos> let me file the bug in gtranslator and will give you hte link
[03:25] <matthewrevell> carlos: Thanks for your help.
[03:25] <carlos> matthewrevell: np
[03:28] <carlos> Yannig: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392323
[03:28] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 392323 in general "Gtranslator removes all custom headers" [Normal,Unconfirmed]   - Assigned to ross@golder.org
[03:29] <Yannig> What should I do with it? Confirming it o just following?
[03:49] <carlos> Yannig: follow it
[03:49] <carlos> Yannig: just in case you are interested
[03:49] <carlos> ;-)
[03:49] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[04:01] <Nafallo> hi! how do packages end up on ~nafallo/+packages? :-)
[04:01] <Nafallo> I miss gajim :-P
[04:06] <robbyflobby> hi
[04:47] <Yannig> carlos: I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but Launchpad still does not accept my import :(
[04:48] <Yannig> Ups, sorry, the import I'm talking about was yesterday :(
[04:57] <static> matthewrevell: should I be choosing work for Fix-it-Friday based on the Fix-it-Friday tags, or can I choose other bugs?
[04:59] <matthewrevell> static: If you spot bugs that you think would be good candidates for FiF, it'd be cool if you could tag them fix-it-friday. It's just a way to help keep track of what people might work on for FiF, rather than saying what should be worked on.
[05:00] <static> matthewrevell: ok, that makes sense
[05:29] <carlos> Yannig: there is an extra '+' char (my fault, it was fixed before Christmas)
[05:31] <Yannig> carlos: Sorry, it was a mistake from me. Launchpad sent me a notification about an import 18 hours ago so it should be nice now :)
[05:32] <carlos> Yannig: cool ;-)
[05:38] <kiko> hello hello
[05:39] <Yannig> Hello kiko :)
[05:39] <Yannig> Ups carlos, not so nice :(
[05:39] <LarstiQ> hi kiko
[05:40] <kiko> what's up
[05:40] <Yannig> I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but We didn't import it because you didn't get it from Rosetta or
[05:40] <Yannig> you removed the tag we put in the files exported from Rosetta. :(
[05:40] <kiko> I think that bug was actually fixed
[05:41] <Yannig> kiko: Some mess with gtranslator but carlos explained me how to fix it
[05:41] <carlos> Yannig: remove the extra '+' char
[05:41] <carlos> Yannig: that's enough
[05:41] <Yannig> Ups, thanks :)
[05:42] <carlos> Yannig: we were exporting bad timestamps for a week, so it's only needed for files that were exported more than two weeks ago
[05:42] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[05:42] <carlos> kiko: he's adding the header by hand to files exported some time ago
[05:42] <kiko> ah
[05:43] <Yannig> Some time ago = beginning of week :P
[05:44] <carlos> Yannig: well, if you have the '++' chars, it cannot be from this week
[05:44] <carlos> otherwise, we had a regression...
[05:45] <Yannig> I may have made a copy-paste from an older file then
[05:46] <carlos> Yannig: could you confirm it, please?
[05:47] <Yannig> Fair enough
[05:49] <Yannig> carlos: Yes, you're right, there's no more problem :)
[05:50] <carlos> Yannig: cool. thanks for checking it
[07:27] <mdke_> good job on getting email working guys
[07:28] <SteveA> thanks mdke_.  stuart came up with a creative solution to the problem for now
[07:28] <SteveA> but we still need to fix an underlying issue
[07:29] <mdke_> cool
[07:29] <popey> umm
[07:29] <popey> I am getting two mails for every one from launchpad...
[07:29] <popey> ..is that a known problem?
[07:29] <mdke_> I had a few emails more than once as well, but only a few
[07:30] <kiko> popey, two for the price of one? 
[07:31] <popey> same message being sent twice
[07:31] <popey> is this the right place to report the problem?
[07:31] <mdke_> yes, kiko was just joking
[07:32] <kiko> SteveA, mdke_: is there a known problem that I don't know about?
[07:32] <popey> :)
[07:32] <mdke_> kiko: you tell us
[07:32] <popey> does someone want the full headered mails sent to them for analysis?
[07:33] <kiko> popey, yeah, please forward the pair to kiko@canonical.com
[07:33] <mdke_> I had three of some, I think
[07:33] <popey> ok
[07:33] <kiko> wow
[07:34] <kiko> popey, are they absolutely identical?
[07:34] <kiko> or are times and so on different?
[07:35] <popey> they are identical up to the point when they leave the first box 
[07:35] <popey> which would make sense
[07:35] <popey> sent, from alan@popey.com
[07:35] <popey> if you want more pairs just ask
[07:35] <popey> I have "a few"
[07:36] <popey> they are from the support ticket system, if it's useful for you to know, it started happening this morning, and last night i merged two accounts on launchpad
[07:36] <kiko> thanks popey.
[07:36] <kiko> hmmm.
[07:36] <kiko> that definitely should not happen as we only email your preferred email address
[07:36] <popey> indeed
[07:36] <popey> and i ditched the old email address
[07:37] <kiko> bizarre squared
[07:37] <popey> both are to: the same address anyway
[07:37] <kiko> but I'll look into it
[07:37] <popey> thanks kiko 
[07:37] <popey> off to put daughter to bed, back in 30
[07:37] <mdke_> popey: grab me when you get back
[07:38] <popey> wilco
[07:38] <mdke_> ty
[08:00] <LarstiQ> I can manually enter https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug-advanced, but could I set a preference to always get the complicated form when filing bugs on bzr?
[08:01] <kiko> LarstiQ, not yet you can't. how could we set that preference, though?
[08:01] <LarstiQ> very good question
[08:01] <kiko> maybe have something like [/]  Always use the complicated file-a-bug form at the end of the form?
[08:01] <LarstiQ> Well, for non products/bzr, I'd like some guided filing
[08:02] <mdke_> what's the difference between advanced and simple? That looks pretty simply already
[08:02] <kiko> right
[08:02] <kiko> so
[08:02] <kiko>   [/]  Always use the complicated file-a-bug form for Bazaar (upstream)
[08:02] <kiko> perhaps?
[08:02] <LarstiQ> but for that specific product (one of which I'm a member of the registrant), I a) have a good idea of the bugs there b) manually check before filing a bug anyway
[08:03] <kiko> yeah
[08:03] <kiko> LarstiQ, do you find it irksome that the list of matching bugs doesn't include the status?
[08:06] <mdke_> I think that guided form is seriously awesome. I've never seen it on any other bug managers, it's my favourite Launchpad feature. I don't see the point of any other type of form, tbh, it's just one extra click.
[08:07] <mdke_> sorry if it seems out of line for me to jump into this conversation
[08:07] <kiko> no, I appreciate the comment
[08:07] <LarstiQ> kiko: yes, that does add an extra step 
[08:07] <kiko> I however get bothered when using it for launchpad
[08:07] <LarstiQ> mdke_: it's rather hard to be out of line when jumping into one of my conversations :)
[08:07] <LarstiQ> kiko: my problem was different though
[08:07] <kiko> because I can't easily check if the bug is one that was fixed 100 years ago 
[08:07] <mdke_> thanks for reassuring me
[08:08] <Seveas> kiko, ubugtu is broken because lp.net/malone/$bugid/+text no longer works :/
[08:08] <mdke_> kiko: the solution is to add the status to the list, rather than provide a different form though, IMO
[08:08] <LarstiQ> kiko: Since I check the reported bugs first when investigating an issue, having to go through it again is double effort.
[08:08] <kiko> mdke_, yeah, same here!
[08:08] <mdke_> you don't have to read it :)
[08:08] <LarstiQ> kiko: I _could_ learn to search by trying to file a bug first, but that feels wrong
[08:08] <kiko> I'll fix that.
[08:08] <Seveas> kiko, ubugtu is now fixed
[08:09] <kiko> Seveas, just the URL changearound? sorry for not notifying
[08:09] <LarstiQ> kiko: and I don't have enough trust I'm seeing all the bugs
[08:09] <Seveas> but no irc notifications will be given for mail received since it's been working again
[08:09] <LarstiQ> kiko: also, I don't always write the summary first :)
[08:09] <kiko> LarstiQ, you'd like to see more bugs in the list?
[08:09] <Seveas> because ubugtu registered those as already seen befor launchpad errored out
[08:09] <kiko> Seveas, that's life. no worries. :)
[08:10] <LarstiQ> kiko: if for guided it gives the best matching bugs, then no, it should not be needed.
[08:10] <LarstiQ> However, not trusting the search feature just yet, I'd like to see every single bug that I can think of
[08:11] <LarstiQ> kiko: if launchpad were able to DWIW, then I'd be happy ;)
[08:14] <mdke_> I would have thought you're quite likely to enter the same terms in the Bug summary that you would enter into a search box... so as long as the search mechanism works, you should be ok, right?
[08:15] <LarstiQ> mdke_: I don't trust the search mechanism :)
[08:15] <mdke_> but then you don't trust the regular search mechanism either, right?
[08:16] <mdke_> so you read all reported bugs before filing?
[08:16] <LarstiQ> mdke_: true, it's still stupid there. But it returns all the results, and I can try different terms untill I'm satisfied I've had all likely candidates
[08:16] <kiko> LarstiQ has "issues"
[08:16] <mdke_> don't we all :)
[08:16] <LarstiQ> mdke_: I read all the summaries of the normal search for a couple of relevant terms, yes.
[08:17] <mdke_> ok, so if you enter those relevant terms in the bug summary, which would seem reasonable to me, you'll see em
[08:17] <mdke_> changing the subject briefly, what's the average response time for LP support requests?
[08:18] <LarstiQ> mdke_: ah, but the guided form limits the number of bugs returned. And I think the search does not work well with more than one term
[08:20] <kiko> mdke_, it's pretty bad over the holidays, but pretty good otherwise :)
[08:20] <mdke_> kiko: that kinda changes my question to "what's pretty good"
[08:21] <mdke_> a week, a month, etc
[08:21] <kiko> LarstiQ, so what if we listed more bugs, or offered a link to list all bugs?
[08:21] <kiko> (for those terms)
[08:21] <kiko> mdke_, a few days.
[08:22] <kiko> at most
[08:22] <mdke_> kiko: ouch. Mine is very forgotten then. Maybe you can poke someone about it: ticket 2796 (I posted to lp-users about it too, but had no reply)
[08:23] <kiko> does Ubugtu know about tickets?
[08:23] <mdke_> guess not
[08:24] <LarstiQ> kiko: that would leave the unnatural feeling, doing a +filebug when what I initially want to do is only investigate if it's already filed
[08:24] <LarstiQ> but that's very cosmetic
[08:24] <kiko> mdke_, I don't know how product series are to be deleted. this is something that SteveA and stub need to sort out, really
[08:25] <LarstiQ> kiko: how about changing the order?
[08:25] <kiko> LarstiQ, well.. yes. I think having a sticky pref for using the complicated form is not bad
[08:25] <kiko> LarstiQ, changing what order?
[08:25] <mdke_> kiko: I'll bug them, thanks
[08:25] <LarstiQ> kiko: first the search part of guided, and then the option of filing a bug
[08:25] <mdke_> SteveA: still here?
[08:26] <kiko> LarstiQ, well.. that's how it works already. :-)
[08:26] <kiko> you might not feel comfortable with it yet, but that can change with time!
[08:27] <LarstiQ> kiko: if I +filebug from a search, it _still_ walks me through it's own search part
[08:28] <SteveA> mdke_: no.
[08:28] <SteveA> mdke_: I'm cooking up one of fabbione's special pasta recipes
[08:28] <SteveA> thanks fabbione 
[08:28] <mdke_> maybe have a checkbox on the first page of the guided form |x| I've performed a rigorous search for this bug, don't show me your silly paternalistic search results
[08:29] <mdke_> or |x| Give me your most outstanding feature yet
[08:29] <mdke_> SteveA: ok, if you happen to come back, it's ticket 2796 I'm chasing about
[08:31] <somerville32> Could I get an lp admin to transfer ownership of the pike product to me? I'd like to be responsible for Pike. :)
[08:31] <SteveA> mdke_: got a URL for that?
[08:31] <mdke_> SteveA: i'll get it
[08:31] <SteveA> mdke_: I don't think we have a URL redirector for ticket number -> ticket URL yet
[08:32] <SteveA> elmo filed a bug on it recently, for a FiF task
[08:32] <mdke_> good idea
[08:32] <mdke_> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2796
[08:32] <mdke_> don't let your paste overcook though!
[08:33] <SteveA> mdke_: why is it important to do what is requested in that ticket?
[08:33] <LarstiQ> mdke_: the most filed bugs sure is useful, though more for me to remind what people are doing than hitting one of those myself
[08:34] <SteveA> if it's not clear why something is important, it's natural it'll not get on someone's priority list
[08:34] <mdke_> SteveA: I wouldn't go as far as saying it is "important". But it needs to be done, because people are adding translations to a dead template. I'm only chasing it because kiko said average response time was a few days
[08:37] <kiko> SteveA, that's not a really fair reply though. it's only "natural" because we suck at deleting things, but that's way not mdke_'s fault :)
[08:38] <mdke_> is there a bug about deleting product series already?
[08:40] <kiko> there /must be/
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77853 in soyuz "Security uploads fails when assume that an accepted ".orig" file will be available before the next cron.daily run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77853
[08:41] <SteveA> mdke_: easiest thing would be to delete it
[08:42] <SteveA> mdke_: if you'd said in the report "because people are doing work on this that is wasted" then I think it would get faster attention
[08:42] <mdke_> sorry
[08:44] <mdke_> SteveA: i wasn't sure what QA on Launchpad tickets was like, so I didn't know whether it was necessary or not. I figured because it's not possible to do this myself, someone would take care of it.
[08:44] <SteveA> that's a good point
[08:45] <SteveA> you don't need to apologise.
[08:45] <mdke_> :)
[08:46] <somerville32> kiko: Could I get an lp admin to transfer ownership of the pike product to me? I'd like to be responsible for Pike. :)
[08:46] <mdke_> kiko: actually I can't find one about that.
[08:46] <kiko> mmmm.
[08:47] <mdke_> there's one about not being able to delete products, but "delete product series" does't turn up anything
[08:47] <kiko> somerville32, sure. 
[08:47] <somerville32> kiko: Thanks. my lp.net account is cody-somerville (if you don't remember) :)
[08:48] <kiko> how could I forget? done.
[08:48] <mdke_> kiko: gah, found it
[08:48] <somerville32> Thanks : )
[08:48] <mdke_> bug 2141
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141
[08:49] <kiko> mdke_, and the word "delete" doesn't appear anywhere there?
[08:49] <mdke_> kiko: "remove"
[08:49] <mdke_> :)
[08:49] <mdke_> I'm adding it now
[08:50] <kiko> yeah, bummer. we should have a table of synonyms too
[08:52] <mdke_> kiko: as a matter of general interest, and not in any way to make a point to LarstiQ, I only found that bug when I used the guided form, a manual search didn't find it.
[08:52] <mdke_> one less duplicate for you guys
[08:53] <kiko> mdke_, the guided form is much better than the actual search, ironically. I'm not sure exactly why, but bjorn are going to look into it
[08:53] <kiko> s/are/is
[08:53] <mdke_> cool
[08:53] <somerville32> kiko: How would I get a new external bug tracker added?
[08:54] <kiko> somerville32, bugs.launchpad.net/bugtrackers
[08:54] <kiko> err
[08:54] <kiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers
[08:54] <kiko> bizarre
[08:55] <mdke_> haha
[08:57] <LarstiQ> mdke_: heh :)
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77856 in malone "Link to bugtrackers is under bugs/ for some reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77856
[09:05] <popey> mdke: gotta pop out, will catch you later
[09:06] <popey> kiko, any news on the dupes?
[09:07] <kiko> popey, it's a known issue and it has been worked around for now; it will be fixed properly by tomorrow, we plan.
[09:07] <popey> cool
[09:13] <matthewrevell> hey popey
[09:19] <somerville32> kiko: I'm trying to import a product series and the branch is 7.6 and lp says thats invalid
[09:20] <kiko> somerville32, hmmm. where does LP say that?
[09:20] <somerville32> Right under it after I submit it
[09:20] <somerville32> Your CVS branch name is invalid.
[09:20] <somerville32> The branch representing the upstream codebase for this product series.
[09:20] <kiko> CVS branch names can't contain dots, somerville32 
[09:20] <kiko> is it 7_6?
[09:20] <kiko> I mean, CVS disallows it.
[09:21] <somerville32> kiko: http://pike.ida.liu.se/development/cvs/browse.xml?module=Pike
[09:22] <kiko> somerville32, that's the directory name -- not the branch name.
[09:22] <kiko> I think the branch there is head
[09:22] <somerville32> Oh right
[09:22] <somerville32> This is CVS
[09:22] <kiko> yeah, you know, old crufty and just works. :-)
[09:36] <somerville32> kiko: I set a product for a package in Feisty but that doesn't copy over to the package in previous releases (ie. edgy).
[09:36] <kiko> somerville32, doesn't it? it should, at least that's how it should work
[09:36] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/pike7.6/
[09:36] <kiko> are you saying this because when you go to report the upstream task it's not prefilled?
[09:36] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/pike7.6/
[09:37] <somerville32> kiko: No. I just noticed it when looking at the source package for different releases. I figure that a product shouldn't be ubuntu-release specific (as it is already branch specific)
[09:38] <somerville32> I haven't tested doing anything with it yet
[09:39] <kiko> somerville32, the product series is release-specific I think
[09:39] <kiko> but that's all
[09:39] <kiko> and Launchpad's fairly smart where we try to use it
[09:40] <somerville32> I just think that the product series should be assigned to the package, not the target
[09:40] <kiko> well, different product series go to different package releases
[09:41] <somerville32> Does it get copied when there is a new target?
[09:41] <somerville32> ie. feisty+1
[09:42] <somerville32> Or will we have to redo all of this again in feisty+1?
[09:42] <kiko> well
[09:42] <kiko> not exactly
[09:42] <kiko> we /could/ copy it when feisty+1 releases
[09:42] <kiko> but there are chances it will be wrong
[09:42] <somerville32> Right...
[09:42] <kiko> there's also the fact that the information is useful mostly for filing of upstream bugs
[09:42] <somerville32> I'm just thinking python and pike
[09:42] <somerville32> where each source package is a different branch
[09:42] <kiko> where in fact it does the right thing
[10:19] <LarstiQ> kiko: 'and if you look at\n\nThe second URL,' in your Packages vs upstream mail
[10:20] <kiko> really? I fucked it up?
[10:20] <kiko> BjornT- -- minus?
[10:21] <BjornT> hi kiko 
[10:22] <kiko> how's it going my man
[10:24] <BjornT> came home a few hours ago, and i'm still unpacking and getting settled again. but i'm looking forward to start working again after a quite long break :)
[10:24] <kiko> heh
[10:24] <kiko> wrong button :-)
[10:39] <LarstiQ> could it be possible that mail I sent to 76962@bugs.launchpad.net last week hasn't showed up in launchpad yet?
[10:50] <LarstiQ> ooh, bugs.launchpad.net/~larstiq
[10:58] <LarstiQ> I had some new information to add to a bug, but couldn't find it in my list of subscribed bugs anymore. Thankfully it's the first hit on google
[10:58] <mdke__> I've recently been having some fun with a friend of mine who I introduced to launchpad in order to file a bug.
[10:59] <mdke__> he found that google was the *only* way he could find his bug again
[10:59] <mdke__> we've filed/commented on loads of usability bugs as a result
[11:00] <LarstiQ> this isn't even interface wise, other bugs are in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~larstiq/+subscribedbugs , but 55795 isn't
[11:01] <LarstiQ> nor it's duplicate, where my subscription comes from, #57394
[11:03] <LarstiQ> mdke__: thanks for the hint, using the guided form finds more bugs
[11:03] <mdke> heh
[11:04] <LarstiQ> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/61534 looks like my problem
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61534 in launchpad "Subscribed Bugs is missing one bug" [Undecided,Rejected]  
[11:05] <LarstiQ> hah
[11:06] <LarstiQ> mdke: and to top it off, in +subscribedbugs 3720 is listed twice. Once in Debian and once in upstream :)
[11:06] <mdke> LarstiQ: there is a bug about that
[11:06] <mdke> I had the same thing the other day
[11:24] <lifeless> moining
[11:35] <SteveA> lifeless: ping
[11:35] <lifeless> pong
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77877 in rosetta "Speedcrunch's template and upstream translations missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77877
[11:47] <lifeless> Keybuk: what lappy did you buy ?
[11:48] <Keybuk> lifeless: Dell D420
[11:49] <lifeless> nice
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77880 in launchpad "Search operator or (|) works poorly with bugnumbers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77880
[11:51] <Keybuk> lifeless: still playing with the font configuration
[11:51] <Keybuk> at the moment, it's not quite right
[11:51] <lifeless> :)