=== Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #launchpad [01:40] if I see a Launchpad bug and think that I know a good person to take a look at it, is it ok for me to assign the bug to that person, even if I don't work on launchpad? [01:40] mpt: on the basis that you are that person, if you're around, the question is for you [01:42] it has been to long since I filed bugs on launchpad-bazaar [01:42] but I _think_ I'd assign them to ddaa [01:43] well [01:43] better not to assign them [01:43] and let the developers do it [01:43] the thing is, subscribing takes more clicks === mdke is very lazy === ddaa reads the scrollback [01:44] in my experience, randomly assigning bugs to people is a good way for the bug to be ignored === mdke kicks his laziness and uses subscribe instead [01:45] because the person whose it is assigned to knows it has not be assigned after discussion, etc. [01:45] and everybody else thinks the assignee knows what's up... [01:45] subscribing is ok? [01:45] well [01:45] if you expect a reply from a specific person, better to write an email with a link to the bug [01:45] a hand-written email is much more effective than anything else [01:46] hmm [01:46] if you are lazy, better to let the bug triaging work normally [01:46] and what's the point of the "subscribe someone else" then? [01:46] devs routinely the bugs mailing list to know about new bug [01:47] It's needed sometime [01:47] like "joe: I'm going to file a bug about it!" [01:47] "tom: okay please subscribe me" [01:47] oh well. Pardon me mpt, I already subscribed you [01:47] especially useful when there is not a bugs ML as for launchpad === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #launchpad [02:08] mdke, I agree with ddaa on this, a personal email would make me look at it === j-a-meinel [n=jameinel@adsl-75-51-62-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #launchpad [] === czedlitz [n=czedlitz@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #launchpad [02:13] thumper: don't you look at bugmail? afaics, that's a very good use of the "subscribe someone else" feature, to ask people's opinions on bugs where that person is well equipped to comment [02:14] in this case, I know Matthew reads his bugmail from bitter experience [02:14] ;) [02:14] moot point of course, while it's not working, but still. [02:16] mdke, nope not at this point in time [02:16] I probably should [02:16] heh [02:17] thumper: btw I just looked at your personal page, and saw that you had to force your MSN/Yahoo details into "IRC", do you know if a bug is open about that? [02:18] I might file one, I'm in a bug filing mood today [02:18] mdke, go for it, I don't know of any right now [02:19] alrighty [02:21] (bug 77758) [02:21] Malone bug 77758 in launchpad "Person page has no option for instant messaging protocols other than IRC/Jabber" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/77758 === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #launchpad [02:37] mdke, subscribing me to a Launchpad bug will only result in me receiving two notifications of each change to it instead of one :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.17.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === ..[topic/#launchpad:stub] : Developer meeting: Thu 4 Jan 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === thumper [n=tim@222.152.34.146] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-114-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.222.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-89c888218e0f8c95] has joined #launchpad [04:59] hello everybody [04:59] who know about schooltool translation pls help me === adrigen [n=adrigen@218-214-68-125.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === adrigen_ [n=adrigen@218-214-68-125.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad [05:10] Bhaskar, http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/translating-schooltool.org [05:10] i.e. Tom Hoffman would be a good choice [05:11] Rinchen: i go through this link, create templet and create .po file [05:12] Rinchen:then i convert .mo, compile tool but can not get success to translate in all why [05:12] are you using https://launchpad.net/products/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool ? [05:12] and doing a rosetta import? [05:15] I am showing that the Napali translation is done except for 1 item. [05:16] rinchen: i have done this translation in rosetta [05:16] excellent, and I just fixed your 1 todo item so it's now at 100% [05:17] Rinchen: then i download .po and .mo file from there and compile schooltool but i can success partially [05:17] try it again. [05:18] I fixed one error. [05:18] Rinchen: i have many try [05:18] You can also post the compile error in pastebin or post to the mailing list. [05:19] Rinchen:no error occours while make update-translation [05:20] so it's a program compile error? I have to send you back to Tom Hoffman again. [05:20] Sorry I can't be of more help. [05:20] Rinchen: i think schoolBell and schooltool both .mo & .po file both compile simultaneously [05:21] Rinchen: there is any relation in schoolbell and schooltool for translation? [05:23] I do not know for certain but I would think yes. Schoolbell is one of the 4 applications that make up Schooltool === adrigen [n=adrigen@218-214-68-125.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.222.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === czedlitz [n=czedlitz@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === violot [n=violot@user-12l2j7i.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #launchpad [06:26] Is there a Beryl Product on Launchpad?! [06:26] I don't see one :'( [06:27] they run their own bugtracker, i believe [06:27] Aww, darn. [06:27] Thanks. === violot [n=violot@user-12l2j7i.cable.mindspring.com] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-134-135.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === doko_ is now known as doko === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.222.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === cheapshades [n=tanuki@openinsight.co.za] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@29.Red-81-39-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-173.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:12] morning! [09:12] carlos: morning :) [09:16] mpt: even worse. Go ahead and unsubscribe, sorry [09:16] morning carlos, matthewrevell [09:16] mdke: hi :) [09:17] how are you? [09:23] mdke, one day such subscriptions will be managed in Launchpad, instead of by mailing lists, so it will be obvious whether someone is already watching a bug [09:24] mpt: nice [09:25] and we'll all have ponies! [09:25] you can have mine [09:26] I'll take Launchpad down soon for a production rollout. Downtime should be only a few minutes [09:26] oh wow, is that email coming back? [09:28] Ooh! Email! [09:28] Will all the old email come with it, or is that still some time away? [09:28] hang on, he hasn't said yes yet [09:32] email fix hasn't been done yet [09:38] and Top Men are considering how to handle the backlog in a non-diluvian fashion. === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad [10:01] Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes time for a code update. Estimated downtime is under 10 minutes. === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [10:08] Howdy chaps. A Launchpad user has complained that he receives an email each time he makes a change to a bug. He says that he knows he made the change, so does not need an email. Is there a way he can opt out of email about things he has done, whilst still receiving notification of what others have done? === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-233-130.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad [10:20] matthewrevell: I don't think that possible atm [10:20] matthewrevell: I don't think that's possible atm [10:20] carlos: Do you think it's worth me adding it to tomorrow's meeting agenda? [10:23] matthewrevell: that's something bugzilla has and I'm sure someone already complained about it [10:24] matthewrevell: let me check whether there is a bug report for such feature (once launchpad is back to life) [10:25] carlos: cool, thanks [10:29] matthewrevell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/548 [10:31] matthewrevell: It's accepted so I guess the only discussion is whether its priority should be higher [10:31] carlos: Yeah. How is the priority decided upon? [10:32] matthewrevell: it's up to the developer, managers and people request [10:32] if there is a lot of people asking for it, we give higher priority [10:32] carlos: Thanks. I'll tag it as fix-it-friday. [10:32] check it first with BjornT [10:32] I'm not sure whether it could be fixed in one day [10:33] ok === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #launchpad === thumper [n=tim@166-179-16-65.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [11:12] can someone ensure ddaa knows gnome has switched to svn? [11:15] I haven't seen him mention it [11:16] yah [11:16] I'm going to sleep soon though [11:16] :) [11:17] I'll let him know [11:22] SteveA, I don't get three conflicts, I get 15 [11:22] LarstiQ: thanks! === quail_linux_ [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === erdalronahi [n=erdal@p5B004EDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === cprov-afk is now known as cprov [11:56] good morning. === danilos is now known as danilo[bbl] [12:03] cprov: morning! === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [12:19] mpt: wow. [12:19] mpt: maybe use my branch and merge into that? [12:20] SteveA, I mailed you the results [12:21] but I'm going to bed now [12:21] I resolved the conflicts, anyway [12:21] push hasn't finished yet, though, try in ~20 minutes [12:21] mpt: thanks, got the email. I'll try in 30 mins, and I'll fix the other problem you mentioned. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:22] ddaa: hi [12:22] ddaa: lifeless asked us to note to you that GNOME migrate to SVN [12:23] ... [12:23] I think I might go for a week long trek in the desert... [12:24] Oh, actually I have one booked next week! [12:24] ddaa: ;-) [12:24] I'll figure out what the gnome transition means when I come back... [12:25] I guess it will just mean that all cvs.gnome.org imports (lots of) will be obsolete [12:25] ddaa: what desert are you visiting? [12:26] The only desert that be, man :) [12:27] Going to the Great Western Erg [12:27] in Morocco [12:27] sweet [12:28] the nice thing... === LarstiQ has gone without deserts for far too long. [12:28] is that people will be able to use bzr-svn on gnome... [12:28] lotsa sweetness [12:28] LarstiQ: been to the Great Eastern Erg in Tunisia two years ago. [12:29] lots of sand and dunes [12:29] very refreshing for the mind [12:30] also, since we're going very much out of season === LarstiQ lived in Oman for five years [12:30] ddaa: what's the status of bzr-svn ? [12:30] is it usable? [12:30] we do not get to see much noisy-tourists-in-4x4 [12:31] so one last year... while we were treading with our camels... [12:31] was... weird... [12:31] carlos: cannot say for you [12:31] ddaa: weird? :) [12:31] carlos: I know jelmer has been very active lately [12:32] ok [12:32] carlos: so it's a safe bet to say it's getting better :) [12:32] :-P [12:32] 23:21:33 ik had niets gepland maar bzr-svn is wel echt ver gevorderd opeens :-) [12:33] 23:21:50 ken geen repositories meer die nog failen [12:33] LarstiQ: like... "what the fuck are are they doing!?? Storm in 4x4, take pics, storm out. In about the time it takes us to walk up and down two dunes..." [12:33] 'I had nothing planned but bzr-svn did advance a lot suddenly' 'Don't know any repositories anymore that fail' [12:33] LarstiQ: that sounds like really good news! [12:34] carlos: prove him wrong with a failing repository! ;) [12:34] LarstiQ: thanks for translating, at first I thought this quote was about herring sandwiches. [12:34] ddaa: :P [12:35] the biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is the branching scheme, but that ties in with people getting the same revisions in different conversions, and meh [12:36] LarstiQ: I do not think there's any way around it until bzr has more direct support for file copy [12:37] The biggest problem I have with bzr-svn is that deterministic revision ids scare me. [12:37] it's a very useful property, but I don't oversee all the implications [12:37] With Arch already, it was a screwed proposition, but it was not much of problem because people tended not to duplicate baz-import work in practice. [12:38] LarstiQ: that's precisely the problem [12:38] it's very powerful, and most people do not understand the implications [12:38] so I fully expect that people will be screwing around with bzr-svn and fuck up [12:40] I bet, the first time we see an email about bzr complaining of inconsistent/corrupt repository data, it will be because of bzr-svn. [12:40] or rather, because of somebody hacking carelessly on bzr-svn [12:40] git does this nicely by being "the same" if the content matches [12:40] which prevents things like bzr-svn from being efficient in the first place [12:41] ddaa: oh, I've seen corrupt repository data before :) [12:41] I mean, a user asking on the mailing list, with panick in his eyes. [12:41] Not people who hack repository formats for fun over breakfast. === LarstiQ nods === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-106.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad [01:03] Is Matsubara due to be around today? [01:42] WHEE!!!! [01:43] bugmail for teams is there again [01:55] now *that's* what I call bugmail! [01:55] yup [01:55] 44! how active are we, huh! [01:56] thanks guys === aa_ [n=ali@pida/aa] has left #launchpad [] === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [01:57] hello === Hobbsee waves === jml [n=jml@ppp110-243.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Yannig [n=yannig@AToulouse-254-1-45-107.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [02:57] Hello everybody :) [02:58] Yannig: Hello Yannig [02:58] I have a little problem :) [02:58] Yannig: Perhaps I can help :) [02:58] I try to upload translations and it tells me the Launchpad header is not in the file [02:59] Hmm, just a moment. [02:59] All I did is: downloading the file, changing the filename, translating with gtranslator and changing the header (via gtranslator), nothing more [03:00] Last year, this problem could be solved by remplacing ++ by + but it seems the problem is different now [03:04] Yannig: Before I find a developer, are you sure the Launchpad header is in the file? [03:04] Let me copy paste it :) [03:05] ok [03:06] # Occitan (post 1500) translation for gtranslator [03:06] # Copyright (c) (c) 2006 Canonical Ltd, and Rosetta Contributors 2006 [03:06] # This file is distributed under the same license as the gtranslator package. [03:06] # Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya) , 2006. [03:06] # , fuzzy [03:06] # [03:06] # [03:06] msgid "" [03:06] msgstr "" [03:06] "Project-Id-Version: gtranslator\n" [03:06] "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" [03:06] "POT-Creation-Date: 2006-06-19 20:15+0000\n" [03:06] "PO-Revision-Date: 2007-01-03 12:09+0100\n" [03:06] "Last-Translator: Yannig MARCHEGAY (Kokoyaya) \n" [03:06] "Language-Team: Occitan (post 1500) \n" [03:06] "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" [03:06] "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" [03:06] "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" [03:06] "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);" [03:06] Yannig: please use paste.ubuntu-nl.org next time :-) === Ppjet6_ [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #launchpad [03:07] Ups, sorry :( [03:08] carlos: Yannig here has a problem with uploading a translation. Rosetta tells him that the Launchpad header isn't in the file. Are you able to help? [03:09] matthewrevell: sure [03:09] Yannig: let me read... [03:10] Yannig: you are missing the export header added by Rosetta [03:10] Yannig: where did you get that file from ? [03:11] I went to the online translation page, I clicked Download, I downloaded from the link in my webmail and that's it [03:12] Yannig: hmmm, which program did you use to edit it? [03:12] gtranslator [03:13] Yannig: could you give me the link from where you got the file? (the one you got by email) [03:13] http://librarian.launchpad.net/5579424/oc.po for example [03:14] Yannig: ok, gtranslator is broken [03:14] Humpf [03:14] Yannig: until they fix it (I'm going to file a bug) [03:14] Can I copy-paste Launchpad header so as to upload my translation or is that too late? [03:14] you have two options, change your editor, or add by hand the header: X-Rosetta-Export-Date [03:15] a you get it from Launchpad/Rosetta [03:15] Yannig: just copy it and it will work [03:15] Yannig: don't change the timestamp, it's just a way to detect conflicts if someone changed a translation after you downloaded the file [03:15] Fair enough [03:15] just copy it as you got it [03:16] Yannig: thanks for the info [03:16] let me file the bug in gtranslator and will give you hte link === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [03:25] carlos: Thanks for your help. [03:25] matthewrevell: np [03:28] Yannig: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392323 [03:28] Gnome bug 392323 in general "Gtranslator removes all custom headers" [Normal,Unconfirmed] - Assigned to ross@golder.org [03:29] What should I do with it? Confirming it o just following? === jbailey [n=jbailey@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad [03:49] Yannig: follow it [03:49] Yannig: just in case you are interested [03:49] ;-) [03:49] Thanks :) === carlos -> lunch === geser [n=michael@dialin106050.justdsl.de] has joined #launchpad === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov [04:01] hi! how do packages end up on ~nafallo/+packages? :-) [04:01] I miss gajim :-P === robby2 [n=robbyflo@p3EE38B79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad === robby2 is now known as robbyflobby [04:06] hi === j-a-meinel [n=jameinel@adsl-75-51-62-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-173.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === Yannig [n=yannig@AToulouse-254-1-45-107.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [04:47] carlos: I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but Launchpad still does not accept my import :( [04:48] Ups, sorry, the import I'm talking about was yesterday :( === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad [04:57] matthewrevell: should I be choosing work for Fix-it-Friday based on the Fix-it-Friday tags, or can I choose other bugs? === danilo[bbl] is now known as danilos [04:59] static: If you spot bugs that you think would be good candidates for FiF, it'd be cool if you could tag them fix-it-friday. It's just a way to help keep track of what people might work on for FiF, rather than saying what should be worked on. [05:00] matthewrevell: ok, that makes sense === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #launchpad === Ppjet6_ [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #launchpad [05:29] Yannig: there is an extra '+' char (my fault, it was fixed before Christmas) === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-173.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [05:31] carlos: Sorry, it was a mistake from me. Launchpad sent me a notification about an import 18 hours ago so it should be nice now :) [05:32] Yannig: cool ;-) === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [05:38] hello hello [05:39] Hello kiko :) [05:39] Ups carlos, not so nice :( [05:39] hi kiko [05:40] what's up [05:40] I added "X-Rosetta-Export-Date: 2006-12-15 14:48++0000\n" in the header but We didn't import it because you didn't get it from Rosetta or [05:40] you removed the tag we put in the files exported from Rosetta. :( [05:40] I think that bug was actually fixed [05:41] kiko: Some mess with gtranslator but carlos explained me how to fix it [05:41] Yannig: remove the extra '+' char [05:41] Yannig: that's enough [05:41] Ups, thanks :) [05:42] Yannig: we were exporting bad timestamps for a week, so it's only needed for files that were exported more than two weeks ago [05:42] Thanks :) [05:42] kiko: he's adding the header by hand to files exported some time ago [05:42] ah [05:43] Some time ago = beginning of week :P [05:44] Yannig: well, if you have the '++' chars, it cannot be from this week [05:44] otherwise, we had a regression... [05:45] I may have made a copy-paste from an older file then [05:46] Yannig: could you confirm it, please? [05:47] Fair enough [05:49] carlos: Yes, you're right, there's no more problem :) [05:50] Yannig: cool. thanks for checking it === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell_ [n=matthew@62-30-68-173.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.222.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-32.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell_ is now known as matthewrevell === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-830e33ed217eb187] has joined #launchpad [07:27] good job on getting email working guys [07:28] thanks mdke_. stuart came up with a creative solution to the problem for now [07:28] but we still need to fix an underlying issue [07:29] cool [07:29] umm [07:29] I am getting two mails for every one from launchpad... [07:29] ..is that a known problem? [07:29] I had a few emails more than once as well, but only a few [07:30] popey, two for the price of one? [07:31] same message being sent twice [07:31] is this the right place to report the problem? [07:31] yes, kiko was just joking [07:32] SteveA, mdke_: is there a known problem that I don't know about? [07:32] :) [07:32] kiko: you tell us [07:32] does someone want the full headered mails sent to them for analysis? [07:33] popey, yeah, please forward the pair to kiko@canonical.com === mdke_ has deleted his [07:33] I had three of some, I think [07:33] ok [07:33] wow [07:34] popey, are they absolutely identical? [07:34] or are times and so on different? [07:35] they are identical up to the point when they leave the first box [07:35] which would make sense [07:35] sent, from alan@popey.com [07:35] if you want more pairs just ask [07:35] I have "a few" [07:36] they are from the support ticket system, if it's useful for you to know, it started happening this morning, and last night i merged two accounts on launchpad [07:36] thanks popey. [07:36] hmmm. [07:36] that definitely should not happen as we only email your preferred email address [07:36] indeed [07:36] and i ditched the old email address [07:37] bizarre squared [07:37] both are to: the same address anyway [07:37] but I'll look into it [07:37] thanks kiko [07:37] off to put daughter to bed, back in 30 [07:37] popey: grab me when you get back [07:38] wilco [07:38] ty === jbailey [n=jbailey@montreal.canonical.com] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad [08:00] I can manually enter https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug-advanced, but could I set a preference to always get the complicated form when filing bugs on bzr? [08:01] LarstiQ, not yet you can't. how could we set that preference, though? [08:01] very good question [08:01] maybe have something like [/] Always use the complicated file-a-bug form at the end of the form? [08:01] Well, for non products/bzr, I'd like some guided filing [08:02] what's the difference between advanced and simple? That looks pretty simply already [08:02] right [08:02] so === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad [08:02] [/] Always use the complicated file-a-bug form for Bazaar (upstream) [08:02] perhaps? [08:02] but for that specific product (one of which I'm a member of the registrant), I a) have a good idea of the bugs there b) manually check before filing a bug anyway [08:03] yeah [08:03] LarstiQ, do you find it irksome that the list of matching bugs doesn't include the status? === LarstiQ takes a look at the guided form [08:06] I think that guided form is seriously awesome. I've never seen it on any other bug managers, it's my favourite Launchpad feature. I don't see the point of any other type of form, tbh, it's just one extra click. [08:07] sorry if it seems out of line for me to jump into this conversation [08:07] no, I appreciate the comment [08:07] kiko: yes, that does add an extra step [08:07] I however get bothered when using it for launchpad [08:07] mdke_: it's rather hard to be out of line when jumping into one of my conversations :) [08:07] kiko: my problem was different though [08:07] because I can't easily check if the bug is one that was fixed 100 years ago [08:07] thanks for reassuring me [08:08] kiko, ubugtu is broken because lp.net/malone/$bugid/+text no longer works :/ [08:08] kiko: the solution is to add the status to the list, rather than provide a different form though, IMO === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad [08:08] kiko: Since I check the reported bugs first when investigating an issue, having to go through it again is double effort. [08:08] mdke_, yeah, same here! [08:08] you don't have to read it :) [08:08] kiko: I _could_ learn to search by trying to file a bug first, but that feels wrong [08:08] I'll fix that. [08:08] kiko, ubugtu is now fixed [08:09] Seveas, just the URL changearound? sorry for not notifying [08:09] kiko: and I don't have enough trust I'm seeing all the bugs [08:09] but no irc notifications will be given for mail received since it's been working again [08:09] kiko: also, I don't always write the summary first :) [08:09] LarstiQ, you'd like to see more bugs in the list? [08:09] because ubugtu registered those as already seen befor launchpad errored out [08:09] Seveas, that's life. no worries. :) [08:10] kiko: if for guided it gives the best matching bugs, then no, it should not be needed. [08:10] However, not trusting the search feature just yet, I'd like to see every single bug that I can think of === LarstiQ usually tries several terms [08:11] kiko: if launchpad were able to DWIW, then I'd be happy ;) [08:14] I would have thought you're quite likely to enter the same terms in the Bug summary that you would enter into a search box... so as long as the search mechanism works, you should be ok, right? [08:15] mdke_: I don't trust the search mechanism :) [08:15] but then you don't trust the regular search mechanism either, right? [08:16] so you read all reported bugs before filing? [08:16] mdke_: true, it's still stupid there. But it returns all the results, and I can try different terms untill I'm satisfied I've had all likely candidates [08:16] LarstiQ has "issues" === LarstiQ has lots of "issues" [08:16] don't we all :) [08:16] mdke_: I read all the summaries of the normal search for a couple of relevant terms, yes. [08:17] ok, so if you enter those relevant terms in the bug summary, which would seem reasonable to me, you'll see em [08:17] changing the subject briefly, what's the average response time for LP support requests? [08:18] mdke_: ah, but the guided form limits the number of bugs returned. And I think the search does not work well with more than one term [08:20] mdke_, it's pretty bad over the holidays, but pretty good otherwise :) [08:20] kiko: that kinda changes my question to "what's pretty good" [08:21] a week, a month, etc === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #launchpad [08:21] LarstiQ, so what if we listed more bugs, or offered a link to list all bugs? [08:21] (for those terms) [08:21] mdke_, a few days. [08:22] at most [08:22] kiko: ouch. Mine is very forgotten then. Maybe you can poke someone about it: ticket 2796 (I posted to lp-users about it too, but had no reply) === mdke_ kicks Ubugtu [08:23] does Ubugtu know about tickets? [08:23] guess not === mdke_ kicks Utickettu [08:24] kiko: that would leave the unnatural feeling, doing a +filebug when what I initially want to do is only investigate if it's already filed [08:24] but that's very cosmetic [08:24] mdke_, I don't know how product series are to be deleted. this is something that SteveA and stub need to sort out, really [08:25] kiko: how about changing the order? [08:25] LarstiQ, well.. yes. I think having a sticky pref for using the complicated form is not bad [08:25] LarstiQ, changing what order? [08:25] kiko: I'll bug them, thanks [08:25] kiko: first the search part of guided, and then the option of filing a bug [08:25] SteveA: still here? [08:26] LarstiQ, well.. that's how it works already. :-) [08:26] you might not feel comfortable with it yet, but that can change with time! [08:27] kiko: if I +filebug from a search, it _still_ walks me through it's own search part [08:28] mdke_: no. [08:28] mdke_: I'm cooking up one of fabbione's special pasta recipes [08:28] thanks fabbione [08:28] maybe have a checkbox on the first page of the guided form |x| I've performed a rigorous search for this bug, don't show me your silly paternalistic search results [08:29]