[12:17] <popey> mysql -u adminuser -p
[12:17] <mdke> oh, I see, sorry
[12:17] <popey> np
[12:17] <nixternal> mysql -h localhost -u username -p
[12:17] <popey> working as designed :)
[12:17] <popey> ah, an expert!
[12:17] <nixternal> change localhost with the ip
[12:17] <popey> please help! :)
[12:17] <mdke> and where do I get adminuser from?
[12:18] <nixternal> adminuser would be like root, or mdke if it has root access
[12:18] <mdke> mdke has sudo access, is that ok?
[12:18] <mdke> no, apparently not
[12:18] <nixternal> you need to have/or have setup a mysql admin user as well
[12:18] <popey> ah, yes
[12:18] <popey> do this
[12:19] <popey> hmm, actually, maybe not
[12:19] <popey> is it a server install? doesn't it have a root account?
[12:19] <mdke> no root account
[12:20] <popey> try sudo -s
[12:20] <popey> then mysql
[12:20] <popey> then create database foo
[12:20] <mdke> lemme see the Ubuntu Server Guide :D
[12:20] <nixternal> ahh yes, forgot about that popey :)
[12:20] <mdke> popey: no, that's what I tried the first time
[12:20] <popey> ok, try
[12:20] <mdke> you see, it's in the server guide
[12:20] <mdke> magic
[12:20] <popey> heh, cool :)
[12:21] <nixternal> ya, but has the mysql bug been fixed in the server guide? it provides old mysql commands that hoses up the root mysql account (it used to at least)
[12:21] <mdke> I don't know. Anyway, it doesn't work
[12:22] <popey> ok, try this
[12:22] <popey> sudo -s
[12:22] <popey> mysql
[12:22] <popey> use mysql
[12:22] <popey> select * from users;
[12:22] <popey> and see what users are in the list
[12:23] <nixternal> also, make sure you #bind-address             127.0.0.1       in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[12:23] <nixternal> nice, i just realised there was tab complete for my directories right through irssi
[12:23] <nixternal> either i didn't know, or never noticed
[12:23] <popey> holy cow
[12:23] <popey> that's cool :)
[12:23] <nixternal> hehe
[12:24] <mdke> hmm
[12:24] <nixternal> sudo mysqladmin -h localhost -u <username to add> password <password for new user>
[12:25] <nixternal> that is how you create a mysql user
[12:25] <mdke> it occurs to me that there is already a root account on this box
[12:26] <mdke> I'm slightly worried about buggering up the installation if mysql is already in use
[12:26] <mdke> i know
[12:26] <mdke> I'll consult the magic webmaster
[12:26] <nixternal> hehe
[12:27] <nixternal> hrmm. laserjock sneaked past me somehow today
[12:28] <popey> it's okay mdke there's other stuff I need to do anyway, I am not waiting on you
[12:28] <mdke> popey: ok good. He is walking me through it/doing it for me
[12:28] <popey> I have started putting the videos on there, so you will probably see some peaks in bandwidth use today
[12:28] <mdke> oh cool
[12:28] <popey> in /srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/screencasts/videos
[12:28] <nixternal> oooh, screencasts?
[12:29] <nixternal> i have been wanting to learn how to do that
[12:29] <nixternal> i have never been successful when trying though
[12:29] <mdke> now is your chance
[12:29] <mdke> or, in a few days is your chance
[12:29] <nixternal> well, there is KScreenCast but I don't know if it is working
[12:29] <nixternal> and the other one, i forget its name, it records super fast
[12:30] <nixternal> although it makes it look like i can type 500wpm
[12:30] <mdke> istanbul
[12:30] <nixternal> ya that's it
[12:30] <mdke> popey is much more tech about the whole thing
[12:30] <nixternal> i know the name was familiar
[12:30] <popey> i don't use istanbul
[12:31] <popey> i use xvidcap
[12:31] <popey> much better
[12:31] <popey> (for what I need) :)
[12:31] <nixternal> i tried xvidcap as well, but i was to stupid to work it :)
[12:31] <popey> nixternal: http://quickones.org/ has my screencasts I am migrating to doc.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <popey> they were made with xvidcap & qemu
[12:34] <nixternal> one kubuntu screencast :)
[12:34] <nixternal> to much brown on that page for me ;p
[12:35] <popey> heheh
[12:35] <popey> and a windows desktop :)
[12:35] <nixternal> first time i seen one of them in action in a while
[12:35] <popey> what? a windows desktop :)
[12:35] <mdke> when is the Kubuntu brown theme going to come out?
[12:36] <popey> I had to install it inside qemu because I don't have any windows machines
[12:36] <popey> hehe
[12:41] <nixternal> mdke: NEVAH!
[12:43] <mdke> that's what you think
[12:55] <popey> time for bed
[12:55] <popey> nn
[12:55] <mdke> popey: db created :)
[12:55] <mdke> and user
[12:55] <popey> ahh
[12:55] <popey> mail it to me?
[12:56] <popey> will set it up tomorrow morning
[12:56] <mdke> ok
[12:57] <mdke> good night!
[01:00] <mdke> popey: still here quickly?
[01:01] <popey> yes
[01:01] <popey> heh, you know me so well, I say I am off to bed, but often say it 3 or 4 times over the space of 2 hours before it actually happens
[01:01] <mdke> we're all like that
[01:02] <mdke> popey: a search for your gpg key on major keyservers returns two, neither of which is the one listed on one of your two launchpad pages. Can you give me the id of the correct one?
[01:02] <mdke> ah, three on this keyserver
[01:03] <popey> er
[01:03] <popey> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x57A4363C&op=index that one?
[01:04] <mdke> ok, I've found that one now. You might want to revoke the others :) and merge your launchpad pages too
[01:04] <popey> i have more than one?
[01:04] <popey> https://launchpad.net/people/alanpope is the only one I use
[01:05] <popey> ahhh
[01:05] <mdke> merge this one into it: https://launchpad.net/people/alan-pope
[01:05] <popey> how do you do that?
[01:05] <popey> or can I delete that one?
[01:05] <mdke> follow the link on the base people page
[01:05] <mdke> (https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge)
[01:05] <popey> cool, ta
[01:06] <mdke> ok, email sent, hopefully you can decrypt it alright
[01:06] <popey> heh
[01:06] <popey> lets hope so
[01:06] <popey> I almost never use gpg, so will learn tomorrow ;)
[01:07] <mdke> ok, cool
[01:08] <popey> accounts merged, thanks] 
[01:10] <mdke> god, it's past midnight already
[01:10] <bdmurray> mdke: do you have a minute?
[01:11] <mdke> bdmurray: yep
[01:12] <bdmurray> I was noticing that _sometimes_ when there are instructions dealing with installing packages it mentions what repository they are from.
[01:12] <bdmurray> I thought the repository might not be mentioned if it was main but it might be more than that.
[01:13] <mdke> that's the theory, yes.
[01:13] <mdke> potentially, it's not 100% properly applied
[01:14] <bdmurray> so if main don't mention the repository and if not main then mention the repository?
[01:14] <mdke> yes. Do you think that is sensible
[01:14] <mdke> ?
[01:14] <bdmurray> Yeah, it makes sense but maybe it should be written down in the style guide.
[01:15] <mdke> yes. The styleguide needs some work. It also has lots of gaps
[01:15] <mdke> as in, placeholder stuff
[01:15] <mdke> bdmurray: btw, your attention to detail is phenomenal. Great stuff. You'd like trappist
[01:17] <bdmurray> mdke: thanks.  It is nice to be able to actually fix the things I notice.
[01:18] <bdmurray> Frequently there are things I can't fix.
[01:18] <mdke> glad we got you in quickly
[01:18] <bdmurray> I mean like on TV or in magazines. ;)
[01:18] <crimsun> doesn't edgy enable universe by default?
[01:19] <crimsun> if so, there's no point in mentioning the component if the package is in main or universe
[01:19] <crimsun> rather, main, restricted, or universe
[01:19] <mdke> crimsun: if it does, I didn't hear about it
[01:20] <mdke> you're quite right, if that's the case
[01:34] <bdmurray> I'm sure I have modified my sources.list but if /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list is any indication then it is just main and restricted.
[01:34] <crimsun> dist-upgrade or fresh install?
[01:35] <crimsun> I'll have to ping mvo tomorrow
[01:35] <bdmurray> fresh install of edgy
[01:40] <popey> mdke: not received your mail yet
[01:40] <popey> (now I have figured out all my pgp stuff)
[01:41] <mdke> popey: oh bloody hell.
[01:41] <mdke> check your junk
[01:42] <mdke> I think dreamhost got blacklisted today
[01:42] <popey> ah
[01:42] <popey> yes, it was in my spam
[01:43] <popey> sorry, I *never* look there
[01:43] <popey> ok mdke, got it
[01:43] <popey> thanks
[01:43] <mdke> how annoying
[01:44] <popey> X-popey.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SBL+XBL
[01:45] <popey> yeah, looks like that was the problem
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[02:46] <nixternal> hahahahaahah, good catch bdmurray :)
[06:15] <LaserJock> nixternal: still about?
[02:01] <highvoltage> hi, for documentation purposes, what's the correct way to install packages from a terminal? apt-get, or aptitude?
[02:03] <pschulz01> highvoltage: I would suggest 'apt-get' but you need explain the situation..
[02:04] <highvoltage> pschulz01: someone in my LUG insists that 'aptitude' is the 'default' on Ubuntu, and wants to change all our Ubuntu documentation to reflect this
[07:23] <mdke_> highvoltage: no, we don't recommend any package manager. We say "install X", then refer to our installation documentation. As for Ubuntu, the default is gnome-app-install
[07:23] <mdke_> highvoltage: from a terminal, there isn't a "default"
[07:25] <mdke_> highvoltage: anyway, let's just hope "someone from your LUG" doesn't have svn access
[08:17] <highvoltage> mdke_: hehe, yes.
[09:05] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[11:02] <LaserJock> mdke__: you here?
[11:02] <mdke__> LaserJock: yes
[11:03] <LaserJock> what were we using docteam.ubuntu.com for?
[11:03] <mdke> LaserJock: remember our svn server
[11:03] <LaserJock> oh
[11:03] <mdke> we're still using it
[11:03] <mdke> ;)
[11:03] <LaserJock> I never remember the the name
[11:03] <LaserJock> I always assumed it was doc.ubuntu.com
[11:04] <LaserJock> I always grab the url off of DocumentationTeam/Repository ;-)
[11:04] <mdke> I think docteam is better, gives more of an impression of being for the team.
[11:04] <mdke> doc.u.c sounds like it should be the official docs
[11:04] <LaserJock> yeah, people are often confused about the difference between help.u.c and doc.u.c
[11:09] <mdke> and between help.u.c and wiki.u.c :(
[11:09] <LaserJock> yes
[11:09] <mdke> we'll find the right solution hopefully
[11:10] <LaserJock> well, something's been brewing in my poor brain lately
[11:10] <mdke> shoot
[11:10] <LaserJock> I'm pretty excited about TBH
[11:10] <LaserJock> and where the system docs are heading
[11:11] <mdke> cool
[11:11] <LaserJock> but I'm really feeling like the online docs on help.u.c need a fair amount of work
[11:11] <mdke> the wiki ones, you mean?
[11:11] <LaserJock> I've been trying to look at some of the other distro's online help
[11:11] <LaserJock> no
[11:11] <LaserJock> static docs
[11:11] <mdke> I don't understand, those are the same as the system docs
[11:12] <LaserJock> that's sort of my problem
[11:12] <mdke> how can you be excited about them and disappointed at the same time
[11:12] <LaserJock> because I'm excited about them in yelp on the user's computer
[11:12] <LaserJock> but I'm less certain about how that will translate to online docs
[11:13] <mdke> oh really?
[11:13] <LaserJock> mostly from the point of view of the packaging guide and contributing guide
[11:13] <LaserJock> but thinking about it as a whole too
[11:13] <mdke> I'd hoped we would be able to merge the tbh stuff with the wiki in time for Feisty
[11:13] <mdke> and then drop the distinction between static and wiki docs online
[11:13] <LaserJock> my overall impress is that we view the online docs as just a byproduct of writing the help docs
[11:13] <mdke> but it's not going to be possible
[11:13] <LaserJock> *impression
[11:14] <mdke> you think they require a different style?
[11:15] <LaserJock> perhaps
[11:15] <LaserJock> I'm still thinking about this
[11:15] <mdke> I don't think we're going to be able to support two different styles online and in the system
[11:15] <LaserJock> exactly
[11:15] <mdke> and I'm not convinced there's a good reason to
[11:15] <LaserJock> I'm a little concerned there
[11:15] <nixternal> it would be difficult
[11:15] <mdke> but we need to sort out the structure of the online site
[11:16] <mdke> having a single wiki with good quality assurance will work
[11:16] <mdke> instead of this static/wiki distinction we have now
[11:16] <nixternal> i think we should change wiki.ubuntu.com to dev.ubuntu.com to distinguish as a developers site :)
[11:16] <nixternal> or at least change the title at the top to Ubuntu Developers Wiki
[11:17] <mdke> nixternal: that's absolutely right. I wonder if we can write a spec about that which is convincing enough for the developers
[11:17] <mdke> that would be a real challenge
[11:17] <nixternal> mdke: i wonder if we approach sabdfl about it first and see if we can get a blessing?
[11:17] <nixternal> his backing would help
[11:18] <mdke> no difference really
[11:18] <nixternal> truthfully, i think we could excite enough devs
[11:18] <nixternal> to make a change
[11:18] <mdke> you'll need to work as hard to convince him as to convince anyone else
[11:18] <nixternal> very true
[11:18] <mdke> but if we do a good writeup, get some feedback, address peoples' issues, it might be workable
[11:18] <mdke> what would be the arguments against?
[11:18] <nixternal> people have wiki.ubuntu.com bookmarked
[11:18] <willvdl> confusion for one
[11:19] <nixternal> and ya what will said
[11:19] <mdke> why confusion?
[11:19] <mdke> it's confusing now
[11:19] <nixternal> although people are already confused by wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com
[11:19] <willvdl> no matter what structure you take it will be confusing in a way
[11:19] <nixternal> so dev.ubuntu.com would definitely end the confusion
[11:19] <mdke> because the site is named after the software that runs it, even though it's the same software that runs www.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com. That's crazy
[11:19] <mdke> naming sites after software is bad
[11:19] <willvdl> since some bits are here and others there
[11:20] <willvdl> In my opinion it would be more fruitful to spend time on demystifying it up front
[11:20] <nixternal> mdke, i got you there. drop the wiki, make it dev or devwiki, or anything that screams DEVELOPERS ONLY
[11:20] <nixternal> well not screams it, but distinguishes it
[11:20] <mdke> there is one disadvantage I can think of
[11:20] <nixternal> LaserJock: where are you at :) you are the grand puba, help a brothah out
[11:20] <mdke> the difficulty in communicating in another way that the site (dev.u.c or whatever) is editable by all
[11:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: what?
[11:21] <nixternal> hehe
[11:21] <nixternal> making sure you were awake
[11:21] <LaserJock> I could also see where people would also expect it's only for devs "personal playgrounds" or something
[11:21] <mdke> willvdl: having some bits here and others there, where those bits are genuinely different things for genuinely different audiences, makes quite a bit of sense, tbh
[11:21] <LaserJock> development.ubuntu.com is a little long
[11:21] <nixternal> LaserJock: what do you think about s/wiki/dev
[11:21] <LaserJock> maybe devel.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <nixternal> or devel
[11:21] <mdke> community.ubuntu.com
[11:22] <mdke> the name isn't such an issue, though
[11:22] <LaserJock> but then there is help.ubuntu.com/community
[11:22] <willvdl> mdke, true but still needs to be distinguished
[11:22] <mdke> LaserJock: that would disappear
[11:22] <mdke> LaserJock: it would just be help.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <mdke> willvdl: yeah, sure. Clearer urls would help, IMO
[11:23] <willvdl> nixternal, I can't help thinking devel limits it in a sense
[11:24] <willvdl> what about marketing etc. not strictly devel but still housed on the wiki
[11:25] <mdke> that's right. It would have to be something like "community" or similar. Hell, Gnome use "live"
[11:25] <nixternal> it will limit it from people creating pages called 'I_Can't_Get_Ubuntu_To_Install_Grub_Without_Reformatting_Or_Wiping_My_Entire_Hard_Drive_What_Should_I_Do_To_Fix_This_Please_Help_Me_ASAP'
[11:25] <mdke> could they *be* more random?
[11:25] <nixternal> :)
[11:25] <nixternal> kde uses dev.kde.org or kdedevs.org or soemthing, need to look at bookmarks
[11:26] <mdke> wouldn't hurt to have a look at a few projects
[11:26] <mdke> I tell you what. I'll draft a spec soon and we can try and work out for ourselves whether we think it will work.
[11:26] <nixternal> sounds like a plan
[11:26] <mdke> play devils advocate for each other, try and figure out all the disadvantages
[11:26] <mdke> then see where we are
[11:27] <nixternal> community.ubuntu.com & help.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <mdke> but it will need to be good if we are to convince people in a serious way, that sort of immense change is scary
[11:28] <nixternal> well, i am sure we can pull enough examples from wiki.ubuntu.com and why people keep using it instead of help.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <nixternal> in order to help us drive the issue a little bit
[11:29] <LaserJock> heh
[11:29] <mdke> it took several rewrites and several hostile CC meetings
[11:29] <LaserJock> ogra still grumbles about that at Edubuntu meetings sometimes
[11:30] <mdke> yeah. No vision :)
[11:30] <LaserJock> well, right now he dislikes the redirects
[11:30] <mdke> I see his point on that. we had a bug about those today.
[11:30] <LaserJock> because he won't rebookmark or learn the help.u.c ones
[11:31] <mdke> they are inelegant
[11:31] <willvdl> is there a plan to eventually phase out (expire) the redirects?
[11:31] <mdke> willvdl: no, but I'd love to make one
[11:31] <mdke> do you have any ideas about that, or experience in terms of broken-linking issues
[11:32] <willvdl> I managed to lose a few which Corey helpfully restored :)
[11:32] <mdke> aha!
[11:32] <mdke> lightbulb -> head
[11:32] <willvdl> well where are people linking from? If it's inside the wiki then it is trivial to fix
[11:33] <mdke> willvdl: no, problem is bookmarks/external links
[11:33] <mdke> here's an idea
[11:34] <mdke> we build something into the "Page Not Found" thing that Moin does, which says "If you are looking for documentation, you may find the page you are looking for on our documentation website, at help.ubuntu.com/community/$pagename"
[11:34] <mdke> then we just scrap the redirects
[11:34] <mdke> now, if someone finds a problem with that idea, I'm going to be angry
[11:35] <mdke> because I'm pleased with it
[11:35] <willvdl> I like it but then I don't link :P
[11:35] <LaserJock> "But ... but ... I don't wannaaaaa!"
[11:36] <mdke> seriously, disadvantages?
[11:37] <willvdl> need to ensure that the Naming is maintained on community/$pagename from the original on wiki
[11:37] <mdke> meh, Canonical have some special coders, surely they can do that
[11:38] <mdke> that page already is clever enough to do a search for similarly named pages
[11:38] <willvdl> e.g. wiki.u.c/MyWikipage  -> help.u.c/MyWikiPage are different
[11:38] <mdke> willvdl: that's ok, because the pages were moved from the former to the latter without changing their names
[11:38] <willvdl> always?
[11:39] <mdke> yes, it was a "cp" command ;)
[11:39] <willvdl> what if they were moved to a nested page?
[11:39] <mdke> very technical
[11:39] <willvdl> scratch that
[11:39] <willvdl> run it by Matt Nuzum and see what he thinks?
[11:40] <mdke> good plan. He'll probably be up actually
[11:42] <willvdl> yip
[11:42] <nixternal> [mdke]  now, if someone finds a problem with that idea, I'm going to be angry
[11:42] <nixternal> [mdke]  because I'm pleased with it
[11:42] <nixternal> LOL!
[11:42] <nixternal> i find one problem with it though
[11:44] <willvdl> what is our relationship with ubuntuguide?
[11:44] <nixternal> none
[11:45] <mdke> not good, unfortunately
[11:45] <nixternal> and that as well
[11:45] <mdke> nixternal: what's the problem?
[11:45] <willvdl> pity. a lot of work goes in there.
[11:45] <nixternal> Ubuntu Guide seems to enjoy providing people with a How To on breaking their system using 3rd party garbage
[11:45] <nixternal> none mdke, I just wanted to see you get angry :)
[11:45] <mdke> nah, it's good stuff
[11:46] <mdke> willvdl: yeah. We've tried to pull the "please don't reinvent the wheel" argument on em.
[11:46] <nixternal> a lot of their docs are fairly well written, however none is hardly tested
[11:46] <mdke> also on ubuntu-tutorials
[11:46] <nixternal> there are so many reinvented wheels out there now
[11:46] <LaserJock> *sigh*
[11:47] <LaserJock> I just pray that I do as little reinventing as possible
[11:47] <nixternal> heh
[11:47] <crimsun> I think I'll write some howtos for writing Ubuntu guides and rewriting KDE.
[11:47] <nixternal> copy & paste :)
[11:47] <mdke> this Ubuntu Tutorials guy is the one who I'd most like to see involved
[11:47] <mdke> because he is doing great stuff
[11:47] <nixternal> sudo apt-get --purge remove crimsun
[11:48] <crimsun> nixternal: there goes 50% of universe, alsa, proofreading, bug triaging, and whatever else ;)
[11:48] <nixternal> Error: crimsun has to man GNOME dependencies, however is a closed KDE user/lover
[11:48] <mdke> sadly he doesn't seem to reply much to my emails/comments. It's surprising because he is an Ubuntu member and heavily involved with the community
[11:48] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, I wanted to rewrite chuncks of LP and Debian's BTS/PTS the other day so so :p
[11:48] <nixternal> crimsun: we have LaserJock to cover that :)
[11:48] <LaserJock> bahahaha
[11:48] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:48] <crimsun> he's the other 50%
[11:48] <nixternal> rofl
[11:48] <LaserJock> whatever
[11:49] <crimsun> mdke: does he respond on the forum?
[11:49] <nixternal> crimsun: in order to rewrite kde wouldn't you have to know c++? from what i have heard gnome developers aren't intelligent enough to do so, of which most are 70 years old and were around for the initial creation of c
[11:50] <mdke> crimsun: I haven't tried yet. I will though.
[11:50] <nixternal> ubuntu tutorials guy == christer?
[11:51] <LaserJock> nixternal: low blow, all the contribution I've done on Gnome apps has been in C++ :p
[11:51] <nixternal> hehe
[11:52] <mdke> nixternal: yes
[11:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[11:53] <nixternal> does that silly bot work in here
[11:53] <mdke> (see our exchange in the comments here: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/12/22/ubuntu-tutorials-giving-the-planet-a-spin/)
[11:54] <mdke> well, not so much an exchange, as me ranting on
[11:55] <nixternal> hehe, it is a decent exchange, however i don't like the fact he didn't address you directly from what i can see
[11:55] <mdke> yeah, I noticed that too. He deliberately avoided replying to me.
[11:55] <mdke> but he replied to my email
[11:55] <nixternal> ok good
[11:56] <nixternal> i can't locate his username on freenode that he has on LP
[11:56] <LaserJock> is he on IRC?
[11:56] <nixternal> i remember talking to him on irc one day
[11:57] <mdke> it's Kudaeyz or similar
[11:57] <nixternal> actually LaserJock you and I were talking to him I think. you guys were talking about the Utah area or what not
[11:57] <nixternal> I remember helping him with the LoCo stuff as well
[11:57] <nixternal> but i thought he went by christer or something else
[11:57] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:58] <nixternal> hrmm. according to nickserv Kuyaedz was last seen 4 weeks 2 days ago
[11:59] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDefaultDesktopLanguage  --> I guess this should rather be in help.u.c without the "edubuntu" bit
[12:01] <mdke> gotta love Newz, he's had a better idea still
[12:01] <david_corrales> mdke: so, what's the fuss about :)?
[12:02] <mdke> david_corrales: which fuss?
[12:03] <nixternal> Christer is going by Zelut now a days and is currently online
[12:04] <mdke> well found
[12:04] <mdke> see if he will have a quick chat
[12:04] <nixternal> oooh, what was Newz's idea?
[12:05] <mdke> I think his objection was that the solution would appear on every 404, rather than just documentation ones.
[12:05] <david_corrales> the whole wheel reinvention, et al
[12:05] <mdke> david_corrales: you're asking why it's a bad idea to reinvent the wheel?
[12:06] <david_corrales> no, I mean
[12:06] <david_corrales> who's reinventing stuff
[12:06] <mdke> ah, loads of people
[12:06] <nixternal> i am going to create ubuntu-howtos.com now
[12:06] <nixternal> i should, and then redirect it to our wiki :)
[12:06] <mdke> if we manage to get a solution which shows a generic message for each documentation 404 on wiki.u.c, which links to the new page on help.u.c, that would be even cooler
[12:06] <david_corrales> ahh
[12:06] <mdke> actually, we have a list, david_corrales
[12:07] <mdke> i'll dig it out
[12:07] <david_corrales> too bad, since all those efforts could be unified
[12:07] <willvdl> mdke, should be possible. it jsut needs to search the namespace on each site
[12:07] <nixternal> www.quit-using-ubuntu-domain-names.org.com.net.info.tv :)
[12:08] <mdke> willvdl: we can do a grep and then find and replace, or something a bit more subtle with the same effect
[12:08] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/IndependentDocEfforts <-- david_corrales (it's a bit out of date)
[12:08] <willvdl> and if no match is found then it goes to default 404
[12:08] <nixternal> hmm, that would make it easier, the custom 404 page most definitely
[12:08] <david_corrales> mdke: thanks :)
[12:09] <willvdl> essentially it is an automatic redirect if the page name appears on help.u.c
[12:09] <mdke> willvdl, nixternal: newz being newz, he also has the technical side in mind, as well as the idea
[12:09] <mdke> what a man
[12:09] <willvdl> suggested rather than automatic
[12:09] <david_corrales> ubuntu guide is filled with non-ubuntu repos =/
[12:10] <nixternal> ya, newz is one of my favorite heros now a days :)
[12:10] <mdke> the idea would be to have a list of the moved pages, and have the 404 page query it. If the page is there, it tells you it's moved, if not, the regular 404 page appears
[12:10] <nixternal> that and if he messes me up, it is only a 2 to 3 hour drive to find him for payback
[12:11] <willvdl> elegant
[12:11] <nixternal> isn't it though :)
[12:12] <willvdl> buy him something nice
[12:13] <nixternal> haha
[12:13] <nixternal> you guys work for Canonical, not me, so buy me something nice
[12:13] <nixternal> im a poor student, w/o a job, or at least a permanent solution for a job
[12:13] <mdke> you're presuming Canonical pays well
[12:14] <nixternal> mdke: better than the GI Bill does I'm sure
[12:14] <david_corrales> give him an ubucookie
[12:14] <LaserJock> nixternal: +1
[12:14] <nixternal> hehe
[12:14] <mdke> nixternal: not sure
[12:14] <LaserJock> I haven't actually made any money in years
[12:14] <nixternal> ubuKookie here
[12:15] <LaserJock> geeze, can't you KDE people learn how to spell ;-p
[12:15] <nixternal> I make just over $1,000 USD a month for going to school
[12:15] <david_corrales> LOL
[12:15] <nixternal> i need money
[12:15] <nixternal> well, the current consulting contract though will make my student life very comfortable for the year though
[12:16] <nixternal> now if only i could get some free tickets, then i would be very happy