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| Keybuk | well, today's kernel is not full of grace | 11:58 |
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| tepsipakki | Keybuk: I have a udev-related (?) problem with multiple dvb-tuner cards changing the order on reboots. Is there something that could be done with udev rules, or should it be handled elsewhere? | 12:13 |
| Keybuk | tepsipakki: the order should not matter | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | it is normal for multiple anything to change order between reboots | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | from hard drives, to network cards, to sound cards, etc. | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | well, basically yes | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | use software that doesn't rely on the kernel names, but instead uses HAL to identify cards by unique information | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | both mythtv and vdr are affected :) | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | I'm sure they will welcome patches | 12:16 |
| tepsipakki | well, vdr works, but plugins don't necessarily (mplayer comes in mind, which tries to use the tv-out on the full-feature card) | 12:16 |
| tepsipakki | does HAL have some cmdline tools that could be used in wrappers? | 12:17 |
| tepsipakki | anyway, the official answer is: "work around it"?-) | 12:21 |
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| zul | morning | 02:41 |
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| zul | ups store...oh wait you arent in kanata :) | 03:54 |
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| kylem | there, that's one big thing off ye olde todo list. | 04:33 |
| zul | hey kyle | 04:33 |
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| kylem | yo. | 04:34 |
| zul | how is it going? | 04:34 |
| kylem | not too bad, trying to finally beat the last of this damned flu and cold. | 04:35 |
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| btse | Anybody working for Canonical here? | 05:45 |
| pmjdebruijn | btse, why? | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | MODALIAS=i82365 | 05:51 |
| Keybuk | BenC: ^ HOLY CHRISTING FUCK! | 05:51 |
| Keybuk | so I guess the question becomes | 05:52 |
| Keybuk | "what comes first, the platform device or the module/driver that manges it?" | 05:52 |
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| BenC | Keybuk: chicken-and-egg? | 06:08 |
| Keybuk | BenC: well, normally a device exists because it's in the system | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | so the kernel creates it under the bus that manages the device | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | and a module gets loaded, so that interfaces, etc. exist | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | for platform, this is trickier | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | I would still guess that the platform bus should create devices for any hardware | 06:09 |
| BenC | platform devices seem like black magic from my understanding | 06:10 |
| Keybuk | so it doesn't make sense for the device to get removed | 06:10 |
| BenC | I'm not even sure how the driver gets loaded the first time | 06:10 |
| BenC | isapnpmap doesn't even show it, but the driver has a MODULE_DEV_TABLE:pnp | 06:10 |
| Keybuk | dunno | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | I can't boot .20, so can't see | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | it's definitely utterly bogus that MODALIAS contains a module name! | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | it should contain a description of the device | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | e.g. platform:i82365 | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | and the module should export that as an alias | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | but that still doesn't explain why these platform devices are being removed, and then coming back | 06:12 |
| BenC | basically the driver does platform_device_alloc(); platform_device_add(), isa_probe() = -ENODEV; platform_device_remove(); module exit with ENODEV | 06:15 |
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| btse | pmjdebruijn: just wondering, what are the exact terms? | 06:24 |
| pmjdebruijn | btse, exact terms of what? | 06:24 |
| btse | pmjdebruijn: the employment. are you employed by Canonical? | 06:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | btse, no... | 06:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | btse, anyway you should probably contact an official Canonical representative, not just someone on irc | 06:25 |
| BenC | btse: What did you need to know? | 06:26 |
| btse | pmjdebruijn: ah, ok, yes I know, | 06:26 |
| btse | well, is it full-time? | 06:26 |
| BenC | for most ppl, yes | 06:26 |
| btse | so I suppose you're getting payed also? | 06:27 |
| BenC | working for someone usually implies they pay you :) | 06:27 |
| zul | heh hey BenC | 06:27 |
| BenC | hey zul | 06:27 |
| zul | how is it going? | 06:28 |
| BenC | slow this morning | 06:28 |
| btse | BenC: usually... :-) looking at their employment page doesn't say much about the conditions though | 06:28 |
| btse | and they respons slowly | 06:28 |
| BenC | what position are you interested in? | 06:29 |
| zul | btse: i hear its a sweat shop ;) | 06:29 |
| btse | zul: yeah, me too | 06:29 |
| BenC | zul: I don't sweat, I prespire | 06:29 |
| kylem | pfft, it's a sweet shop. all the candy i can possible want. | 06:29 |
| zul | heh | 06:29 |
| btse | BenC: well, I was just lookign around | 06:29 |
| zul | mmm...candy.. | 06:29 |
| pmjdebruijn | zul, that's usually somewhere, where they have illegal immegrants working for next to no cash :p | 06:29 |
| btse | it could be fun to explore your hobby, getting payed for it, work for an international employer without having to relocate | 06:31 |
| btse | but I suppose this is the wrong forum | 06:31 |
| BenC | btse: there's lots of travel, and (not complaining, but) full-time usually == more than 40 hours for most of us | 06:31 |
| Keybuk | BenC: well, that's the bogus bit I think | 06:32 |
| Keybuk | it shouldn't be adding devices until it knows they exist | 06:32 |
| btse | travel is fun, flying is great | 06:32 |
| zul | flying sometimes sucks | 06:32 |
| btse | waiting yes, flying no | 06:32 |
| BenC | Keybuk: I'm not sure why there the platform_device_add occurs before the probe...but that also happened in edgy | 06:32 |
| kylem | flying is great once you get the hang of what not to do. | 06:32 |
| kylem | like, don't stop flapping your arms. | 06:32 |
| kylem | even if you get tired. | 06:33 |
| BenC | lol | 06:33 |
| btse | hehe, yeah | 06:33 |
| btse | so BenC what's your position? | 06:33 |
| BenC | kernel dev | 06:33 |
| btse | how did you come by it? | 06:34 |
| BenC | friend | 06:34 |
| btse | ah, and exactly what do you do? write drivers or mainly apply vanilla patches to the ubuntu kernel? | 06:35 |
| BenC | bugs, patches, feature development | 06:37 |
| BenC | are you interested in the kernel dev position? | 06:37 |
| zul | or major deity | 06:37 |
| btse | perhaps.. | 06:37 |
| btse | sorry for interrogating you by the way :-) | 06:38 |
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| zul | hah smoke on that xen-image-2.6.19-1.1-generic_2.6.19-1ubuntu1_i386.deb | 07:49 |
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| _MMA_ | BenC: Could you take a look at the spec real quick. Im still trying to more help. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaProductionKernel | 09:16 |
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