=== Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djm62 [n=djm62@80-192-254-43.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djm62 [n=djm62@80-192-254-43.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] there should be the mel brooks collector editioin [12:34] zul: i would buy it in a heart beat === agent [n=agent@pool-71-120-187-51.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B3411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] if a package (ie firefox) has only a orig.tar.gz and a diff.gz does that mean i can make any changes i need to the package, and they will get put in the diff? or do i have to try and keep my changes in a certain area (like ./debian/)? [12:56] Kamping_Kaiser: it depends [12:56] Kamping_Kaiser: if the package is using a patch-based tool, then you should use that. [12:57] Kamping_Kaiser: if its not, then you should make the changes whereever they need to be made [12:57] cool. thats roughly what i thought. thanks lifeless === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === invalesco [n=invalesc@3e6b5c27.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] hey. will someone please include the newest ntfs-3g driver http://www.ntfs-3g.org/releases.html in fesity. It fixes the heavy cpu load when writing big files on ntfs drives === harrisony [n=Harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has joined #ubuntu-motu === steko [n=steko@host14-61-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] hi, is there anyone from MOTUScience ? [01:56] I cannot seem to solve this annoying bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/r-base/+bug/48168 [01:56] Malone bug 48168 in r-base "unable to open X Input Method" [Medium,Unconfirmed] [01:56] and I feel I'm the only one experiencing this === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B3411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dou213 [n=x@e176241096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpon_ [n=jpniane@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] Heya gang [02:50] hi === lasindi_ is now known as lasindi === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] Question about packaging a Python program: I'm been reading through Debian packaging tutorials and I can get past dh_make, but I don't know what to do at this point. I don't have any makefiles, and basically what I want is to put my program's source code in /usr/share/programname and have a shell script in /usr/bin cd into there and run one of the python scripts. Is there an easy way to do this? === mwolson [n=mwolson@pool-71-115-59-105.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] lasindi: good question, I am not sure the answer, but my guess is it would be in the debian python policy [03:38] jikanter: Yes, I've been looking through that, but I still can't find anything in there that amounts to a tutorial on what I'm trying to. The information might be in there, but I think maybe I need to understand Debian packaging in general (which I don't). [03:38] me neither, I am working on it though....Did you read the ubuntu packaging manual yet? I found that one easier to get through === bigmike160 [n=mwolson@pool-72-69-3-36.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] than the debian one I mean [03:40] Well, I followed this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources to some Debian packaging tutorials (linked at the bottom) [03:41] but they all seem to revolve around Makefiles (and thus presumable C/C++ programs) [03:41] *presumably === jdong is sucking at wording documentation.... [03:41] what's a good word for "accelerating over time" [03:41] speeding up? [03:41] i.e. the integral of acceleration wrt time [03:42] Isn't the integral of acceleration velocity? [03:42] no [03:42] that's the derivative [03:42] jikanter: I don't want anything fancy, which seems to be what the policy discusses; all I want to do is hardcode the location of the files, which I would think is an easy task, but doesn't appear to be easy using Debian's tools. === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] lasindi: Why you want install shell wrapper to python script? [03:43] like think of a fast-forward button [03:43] one media player has it implemented as accelerating acceleration [03:43] so it's a v=t^2 relationship [03:43] anyone ever look at conary (the package manager for rpath linux - http://www.rpath.com) ? [03:44] trying to describe that in documentation is not exactly simple :D [03:44] Jozo-: Basically because I want to keep all the modules in the same directory [03:44] lasindi: I think the point of the policy was not to be complex, but to create some sort of standard for everyone to follow [03:45] But I could be wrong, so anyone chime in if they know better [03:45] jikanter: yes, but unfortunately it's not working well (at least for me) as a tutorial [03:47] jdong: Which application is this? === mikhail^ [n=dean@58.69.169.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ yawns [03:50] Jozo-: do you have any ideas? [03:51] lasindi: follow the Debian Python policy. [03:51] heya crimsun [03:52] crimsun: ! [03:52] chillywilly: Stop pushing your crack here ;-P [03:52] heya bddebian [03:52] Hi imbrandon [03:52] crimsun: I would love to; I just have no idea how to do it. ;-) [03:53] bddebian: sorry dude, but it's not my crack [03:53] :-) [03:53] bddebian: just something cool I've been looking at...conary is a marriage between source control and package management...pretty cool stuff [03:57] crimsun: I've been reading the Python policy and even after reading it, I still don't understand it. Do you know where I can find a walkthrough of how to build a Python package? [03:58] lasindi: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy [03:58] what creates/uses /var/run/console? [04:00] i think thats done when you login to a console [04:01] probably by the PAM stuff [04:01] Lathiat: yeah on RHAT its pam_console but I don't think we have that [04:02] pam_foreground [04:02] which is in common-session [04:02] aha! === WildRover [n=ceuric01@dpc6747181121.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] Jozo-: Doesn't this deal with how to convert existing packages to the new policy? [04:14] The problem is, I can't figure out how to make a working package in the first place ... [04:16] lasindi: If you have never made a package before, I would suggest the Packaging Guide [04:16] https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-114-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dous [n=dous@124.105.152.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] bddebian: Okay, I'm reading through it, and one of the things that has confused me a lot going through this is that, since I don't have a Makefile (as it's a Python program), is that I'm not sure whether or not I need something. It says pbuilder is for building binaries - do I still need it? (I'm asking since other guides I've read only mention dh_make, not pbuilder) [04:23] sudo chroot /chroot/jail21 agdu -yy --force-yes [04:23] ack [04:23] stupid focus [04:24] lasindi: it would be handy to have something like a Makefile [04:24] lasindi: that's why I suggested earlier to use distutils === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] but in any case you are building a binary package which can include actual binaries as well as other things (art, text, docs, .py files) [04:25] LaserJock: yes, I looked at distutils, but it appears to put all my source files in the same directory as the standard libraries; I'm reluctant to do that because I don't want to cause naming conflicts with other modules. [04:25] Right [04:26] lasindi: well, then you could make a simple makefile [04:26] or just do it all in the debian/rules === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] LaserJock: Okay, so should I create a makefile that basically just does this: [04:28] install: [04:28] mkdir -p /usr/share/programname [04:29] cp -r images src /usr/share/programname [04:29] echo " /usr/bin/programname [04:29] Would that work? [04:30] something like that yeah [04:31] Okay, lemme try that. === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harrisony [n=Harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] anybody here good with fonts? === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] LaserJock, hmm give us a shot [04:41] well, people often talk about really good or really bad fonts [04:41] and I normally can't tell the difference === daya [n=daya@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] but as I sit in front of a computer all day I wondered if there were things that made fonts better for the eyes [04:43] all i know of is that lcd screens are better for ye eyes than CRT [04:45] Beyond the letters being easily readable, it's mostly just personal preference. You're not likely to strain your eyes more because your fonts are serifed, for example. [04:46] Courier is all you need.. :-) [04:48] isnt courier the font in terminal [04:48] usually :-) [04:48] ahh i was about to say not too much of the terminal font === Simon80 [n=Simon80@rn-v1n5b15.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === i7ch [n=ori@CPE00096b5f17e9-CM0014045d3018.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] crimsun, ping === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] LaserJock: ok, I did dh_make && cd debian && debuild -us -uc, but it still only appears to copy the manpage, not any of the Python file or the bash script, to the actual file system. [05:08] lasindi: did you look at debian/rules? === engla [n=ulrik@kr-lun-116-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] LaserJock, perhaps you might be able help in crimsun's absence? [05:10] after you finish up with lasindi of course [05:10] superm1: what's up? [05:10] LaserJock, well the upload from a few weeks ago for ivtv-firmware needs to be reversed. I spoke with BenC, and we have the firmware in main now [05:11] it still hasn't been acked for multiverse at this point, and is in the NEW queue === WildRover [n=ceuric01@dpc6747181121.direcpc.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [05:12] LaserJock: yes, I put "make install" under install:. Do I need to do something different with in debian/rules? [05:12] so the ivtv-firmware package doesn't need to be in Multiverse? [05:13] lasindi: and do you know that make install actually does what you want? [05:13] LaserJock, right. [05:14] superm1: I'd get ahold of an archive admin [05:14] cjwatson or Keybuk would be the likely candidates [05:14] LaserJock, okay. wasn't sure if you (or any other MOTUs) had rights to reverse, so figured i'd poke here [05:14] or mithrandir [05:15] Hobbsee: yeah, but I figured he'd be a little hesitant about it, maybe not :-0 [05:15] LaserJock: I tried "make install" in the actual source directory (the parent directory of debian); do I need "cd .. && make install && cd debian" instead? [05:15] lasindi: no [05:15] ah [05:15] I think it's installing the files and maybe removing them afterwards [05:15] lasindi: so how are you determining that it didn't work [05:15] thanks LaserJock & Hobbsee [05:16] superm1: once uploaded MOTUs can't do anything [05:16] LaserJock: I'm opening the .deb package with ArchiveManager and then opening data.tar.gz to look for usr/bin/programname === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] lasindi: dpkg -c .deb is easier, btw [05:18] lasindi: are you using pbuilder to make the .deb? [05:18] No, I'm using debuild [05:18] superm1: as both cjwatson and Keybuk are in the UK I don't expect them up for a while [05:19] okay, i'll poke around tomorrow morning then [05:19] lasindi: can you pastebin your debian/rules and makefile for me? [05:19] Sure [05:21] LaserJock: debian/rules: http://rafb.net/p/HQtPxE49.html Makefile: http://rafb.net/p/M2kS3A74.html [05:23] lasindi: ah, found it [05:23] one of the interesting parts of Debian packaging [05:24] you don't want to actually install to /usr/share/ [05:24] you want to install to /debian//usr/share/ [05:25] Ohhhhhhh [05:25] because the .deb is created by building and installing into a temporary directory in debian/ [05:25] and then compressing and building the .deb [05:25] normally what we us is the DESTDIR variable [05:26] *use [05:26] like how you see in the debian/rules file [05:26] Alright, let me try again [05:26] you want to use that $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/onasow [05:26] Right [05:26] and then modify your makefile to accept DESTDIR [05:32] LaserJock: forgive my ignorance about makefiles, how can I accept DESTDIR from it? [05:35] lasindi: try something like http://rafb.net/p/AVlNym32.html [05:36] hmm, actually that wouldn't be quite right for that debian/rules line [05:36] LaserJock: yeah, I was wondering if that would override the definition in the makefile [05:36] I'm pretty sure it does [05:37] Okay, I'll try that [05:37] it's good to use both DESTDIR and PREFIX [05:37] Happy New Year LaserJock! [05:37] <>< [05:38] if you want to install to /usr/local/ you would set DESTDIR=/ and PREFIX=usr/local/ [05:38] if you want to install to a deb you would do DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian// and PREFIX=usr/ [05:39] hi nixternal [05:39] LaserJock: I get an error like this: cp: cannot create regular file `ESTDIR/bin/onasow': No such file or directory [05:40] DESTDIR [05:40] So it doesn't look like it interprests DESTDIR [05:42] That's the actual error; it looks like it only uses the first letter or something [05:42] check for typos [05:43] I don't think that's right [05:44] can someone look at this http://pastebin.ca/302297 , does the line `# VK_HELP doesn't work on other platforms yet` look like its breaking the xml? [05:45] hm. removing the line makes the colouring on the following lines correct again... suppose the xml must be bust [05:46] oooh, actually the line above its missing a > at the end... sorry. [05:46] */> [05:46] yeah, shesh ;-) [05:46] ... [05:48] LaserJock: ah, I needed to have $(DESTDIR) instead of $DESTDIR [05:49] ah, should have thought of that, sorry [05:49] imbrandon!! [05:49] haye laserjock ;) [05:49] gah no tab completion [05:49] hrm [05:49] LaserJock got everything working on my 10.4.8 hackentosh :) [05:50] including parallels [05:50] :) [05:50] hrm food sounds good, brb [05:50] dude, I just got the beta of vmware for intel macs today [05:51] I'm going to test it out tomorrow with a full Ubuntu install and see how fast it is [05:51] yea [05:51] i have it installed === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-214-221.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] fusion or whatever they named it [05:52] we use the hell outa vmware at work, vmware 6 is looking nice too with multi monitor support etc === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] i have a beta of that too on my vista box [05:56] LaserJock: It works!! Thank you so much for your help, you've really made my day === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] \o/ LaserJock /o\ === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] wb laserjock l [06:17] hrm [06:18] thanks [06:33] hello imbrandon_ LaserJock [06:33] heya joejaxx [06:33] :) [06:33] hi joejaxx [06:34] i had wanted to ask you all a question [06:34] shoot [06:34] what comes with a project become officially supported [06:34] becoming* [06:37] officially supported by who? [06:38] Canonical [06:38] just wondering [06:38] because everyone tosses around the term [06:39] but i did not know what that encompasses [06:39] probably something to ask canonical ;) [06:39] whats supposed to happen, or what does happen? ;) === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] well comes aong with being officially supported [06:40] well what* [06:40] Kamping_Kaiser: so i guess the second part of your question [06:40] bah i cannot splle today [06:40] :( [06:40] along* [06:41] spell* [06:41] well, I think that means that Canonical is willing to sell support for that product [06:41] so it's invested [06:41] oh [06:41] so far that's Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu [06:41] ok [06:41] joejaxx, canonical become offical support providers, but also provide biuld servers, usually pay sojmeone to work on it, that sort of stuff [06:41] host the websites [06:42] integrated into 'teh family' [06:42] oh i do all that already lol [06:42] sure, so it's "joejaxx supported" [06:42] ;-) [06:42] heh [06:42] yeah i guess you could say that lol [06:42] hehe [06:43] if it was Canonical supported then Canonical would be paying for or doing some of the things you are already [06:43] but there are various levels of support really [06:44] take Xubuntu for instance [06:44] I don't think Canonical sells support for it [06:44] and it doesn't pay any devs for it [06:44] but it's in Main and they build .isos for it [06:44] so it's kinda inbetween [06:45] oh ok [06:46] having access to the inner workings of LP is probably the biggest advantage [06:46] the irc channels come under ubuntu rule as well [06:47] i think i have all of those accept the last [06:47] well i do have #fluxbuntu under coc [06:48] so there whould not reallybe a difference [06:48] the other big advantage is usually in getting more help [06:48] I think it's a rather large difference [06:49] yeh [06:49] what is the larger difference? [06:50] LP and dev support [06:50] I think those are pretty killer [06:50] but i have lp already [06:50] not all of it [06:51] the important part is soyuz and the .iso building stuff [06:51] LaserJock: yeah the iso building is the only thing i do not have [06:51] but that is taken care of [06:53] the difference between "dang it, gotta build this sucker" and "tfheen: joejaxx, want me to spin your RC .isos?" is pretty significant, IMO === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] archive and build admins are pretty invaluable [06:54] on the other hand, it's obviously much tougher to become and official derivative [06:54] security, etc. has to be pretty tight for Canonical to want to support it [06:54] i know [06:55] i was not thinking about becoming one [06:55] you should be ;-) [06:55] although I'm not sure fluxbuntu is as much of a "fit" with the rest [06:56] its kinda too minimal [06:56] well i had just wanted to see what the difference between the operating system now [06:56] LaserJock: I think xubuntu was accepted as it filled a void [06:56] and what whould happened if it was [06:57] but i really do not see one [06:57] joejaxx: I think mostly recognition, support, and inside access [06:58] oh ok [06:58] anyway, I gotta get to bed [06:59] alright Goodnight LaserJock [06:59] but I'd say if it was offered, take it ;-) [06:59] if not, don't worry about it a ton [06:59] Gnight gang [06:59] cya bddebian [07:01] TheMuso: yeah you are right [07:01] about that* === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] superm1: pong [07:28] crimsun, hey. i was going to mention earlier that ivtv-firmware can be reversed from the upload status, but Laserjock already told me that i should let an archive admin know tomorrow morning instead - since motu can't do anything to reverse it [07:28] BenC got it into main [07:28] superm1: err, it'd be good to ask them to reject it now, then [07:28] crimsun, is anyone around right now to ask though? [07:29] i figured most of them are either just waking up or not on yet at this point (given focued in the UK) [07:29] right, tollef (mithrandir) should be awake in a bit [07:30] adam (infinity) is on vacation still [07:30] ok [07:30] i'll watch in #ubuntu-devel for when mithrandir comes on then [07:31] colin (cjwatson) and scott (keybuk) are two others, both uk-based === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-117-92.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] i should be able to add a source line for fiesty and pull in the firefox2 source without any problems shouldnt i? (no depends, just source) [08:34] a deb-src line for feisty main, yes [08:35] yep. thanks === dou213_ [n=x@e180228041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lasindi [n=lasindi@198.68.30.48] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [08:48] i get a pile of `dpkg-source: cannot represent change to nss/shlibsign.o: binary file contents changed` warnings when dpkg-source is trying to build, does that mean makes not cleaning up properly? [08:50] probably [08:51] darn. [08:54] can i just add rm shlibsign.o to the clean section of the rules file? [08:57] You can, or you can fix the clean target of the Makefile. [08:59] um ok. i'll try that [09:00] I'd fix the upstreams clean target [09:00] then mail them a patch [09:01] thing is i just got it. i'v run a dozen builds, changed one thing and started getting errors... and i honestly cant belive that what i changed coudl cause it. [09:01] nss/shlibsign.o may also be shipped in the orig tarball. [09:01] (Which is silly) [09:03] it doesnt seem to be shipped === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-97-229.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] lucas: congrats, boy! :) === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] you too :-) [10:01] :) === white waves [10:02] lucas: congratz === siretart waves to white :) [10:03] arg, all those motus that become debian developers ;) [10:04] i am not a motu :) === white is just hear for a good communication betweend debian and ubuntu and wants to help out on syncing stuff and helping motus if they want/need someone for the debian archive [10:06] hear hear, so all sponsorship requests for debian go to white! :) [10:07] well ... [10:07] (but you may also to ask lucas, slomo, ajmitch, myself, StevenK and any other DD in this channel as well ;) [10:08] siretart: you forgot yourself ;) [10:08] anyone here familiar with ProjectX (a DVB demux tool)? [10:08] I'd like to package it [10:08] white: did I? [10:09] but I have a question.. it is distributed as a cross-platform .zip, so should I include it as-is in the tarball, and use tarball.mk of cdbs or similar to unpack it in the build-process? [10:11] it is GPL, but includes two .jar's which have Apache License v2.0, is that a problem? [10:15] I didn't think Apache and GPL worked together? [10:15] siretart: I had no idea were you were able to upload to Debian? === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] Hrm. Buh bye Launchpad [10:17] (Offline for maintaince) [10:19] StevenK: so, if that's the case then upstream should change their license? === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] tepsipakki: I'm unsure, I'd suggest you check with debian-legal, or Google for a precedent. [10:24] StevenK: oh? sorry then [10:25] siretart: When did you become a DD? [10:27] StevenK: yep, googled a bit and it appears to be so.. [10:27] tepsipakki: Appears to be fine, or not fine? [10:28] not fine :) [10:28] FSF claims they are not compatible [10:28] Excellent, I do remember correctly. [10:33] so that basically makes it impossible to include in Debian/Ubuntu without upstream taking necessary actions? === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ is now known as Lutin === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-49-155.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-8-133.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] -bugs sugested i ask this here : is debootstrap only working with ubuntu a bug or a feature? it doesnt work (for me) with debian or gnewsense === xerxas_ [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-32-107.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] ciao === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] Kamping_Kaiser: it should bootstrap anything released before it, and the current release it was downloaded from [11:29] Kamping_Kaiser: from ubuntu or debian === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:29] hrm. thats a nusense === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bobette [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-22-82-249-78-8.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ is now known as Lutin === mikhail^ [n=dean@58.69.169.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=PriceChi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@2-148.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] hm, I guess a package can't build-depend on sun-java until the GPL-version is ready, since the current version needs to ask about the license (=doesn't configure in pbuilder) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin106050.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === engla [n=ulrik@kr-lun-116-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] StevenK: elmo created my account today :) [12:51] siretart: :-) [12:51] siretart: That'd be why I didn't know. :-) [12:52] A Debian account? === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] can i selectively disable dpatch patches? === brandon_ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] Kamping_Kaiser: Edit debian/patches/00list ? === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp128-80.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] StevenK, can i comment some out, or do i jsut dd the line? [12:58] Personally, I'd dd the line. [12:58] hum. righto [12:58] ty === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] tepsipakki: GPL'ed Sun java is at least 6 months away === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp128-80.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] What is the police about "dummy" python packages (i.e.: python2.4-dbus (v2.4) >> python-dbus (v2.4)) ? === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] on Edgy this package exists, but in dapper doesn't [01:39] because we only did the python transition from edgy --> feisty? [01:39] or was that dapper --> edgy? [01:39] oh yeah, was dapper --> edgy === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] Hobbsee: sorry, dapper --> edgy [01:45] Hobbsee: this packages (python-dbus, for exemple) shouldn't be on dapper too? [01:45] python-dbus still provides python2.4-dbus but it can't be used in a versioned depends [01:45] cypherbios: what's the problem exactly? [01:45] hey geser [01:45] hello Hobbsee [01:46] geser: you've beend oing lots of stuff on u-u-s buglist? :) [01:46] bug 76276 [01:47] geser: I made an package (is not on ubuntu repo) that have the python-dbus as depend (obviously made for edgy), but the same package couldn't install on dapper because the python-dbus are not on repo (that would point to python2.4-dbus) [01:47] python-dbus || python2.4-dbus [01:48] Single pipe, too === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] but, the question is: The dapper shouldn't have the python2.4-* covered for python-*? [01:49] You could always depend on python2.4-dbus, since python-dbus in Edgy should Provide python2.4-dbus [01:50] StevenK: the edgy is not the problem, the question is about dapper [01:50] StevenK: on edgy is ok [01:50] only in an unversioned depends [01:51] cypherbios: Yes, hence my answer. === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-22-82-249-78-8.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin__ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-52-82-65-76-27.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gjohnston [n=guy@217.17.114.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] hi, I think the game Tremulous might be suitable for the Universe repository rather than Multiverse as it's in at the moment === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] Please see my forum post at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1958824#post1958824 === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.154.228] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gjohnston [n=guy@217.17.114.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fatalerror [n=gpastore@debian/developer/gpastore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] I think the game Tremulous might be suitable for the Universe repository rather than Multiverse as it's in at the moment [03:02] Please see my forum post at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1958824#post1958824 [03:04] gjohnston, AFAIK, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Licence isn't compatible with the gpl (and also with the Debian Free Software Guideline), that's why it is in multiverse === tsmithe` [n=bip@82-70-109-22.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] ok === Ppjet6_ [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] is it just because of the DFSG that it's there? [03:07] because surely all free software licences are allowed in universe even if they're GPL-incompatible? [03:09] Debian has tremulous in contrib [03:10] mr_pouit, that would force all artwork we ship in ubuntu to multiverse ... [03:10] probably a mistake [03:10] there must be something else... [03:11] wikipedia says some of the textures isn't CC [03:11] yeah i wrote that [03:11] it only seems to be in the windows version though [03:12] ive read the three different 'copyright' files in the ubuntu package and that exception isn't there [03:12] ogra, mmh, ok :S [03:12] it just says all the media is under the CC-BY-SA licence [03:15] Hobbsee: about #76716, you got a minute? [03:15] tepsipakki: sure [03:16] tepsipakki: but i'll warn you now, if you attach diffs like that, they make my eyes hurt :P [03:16] I'll behave nice from now on :) [03:16] tepsipakki: :) [03:17] I was just being lazy.. [03:17] tepsipakki: so i saw :P [03:17] anyway, the tarball checksums differ, although diff shows that they are the same [03:17] that's...not great :P [03:17] And config.{guess,sub} really oughtn't be to touched. [03:17] s/be to/to be/ [03:18] of course not.. [03:18] config.sub is the second file touched in your diff. [03:18]