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[12:31] <fdoving> nite.
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[01:25] <fdoving> Hawkwind: about your http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/RemovingServicesAtBootTime - i'd actually recommend not removing the links, as they will be replaced when you upgrade. I recommend renaming the symlinks from SNNname to KNNname in /etc/rc2.d/ instead.
[01:26] <fdoving> Hawkwind: nice howtos btw. :)
[01:26] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Thanks.  I'll note that for sure
[01:27] <fdoving> great, then i'll go sleep. nite :)
[01:27] <Hawkwind> Sleep well
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[02:06] <bddebian> Heya
[02:07] <freeflying> moin all
[02:07] <bddebian> Heya freeflying
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[03:05] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:07] <praetor> good arvo Hobbsee :-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hey praetor!  did i ever answer your question about adept patching?
[03:12] <praetor> Hobbsee: hehe dont worry I figured it out. Mornfall said that he wouldn't be against including it in adept svn as long as it was conditonally compiled in as a library
[03:12] <praetor> i've since sent him the files and just waiting for him to get around to it, hes been afk for a few days
[03:12] <Hobbsee> praetor: right, cool :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think he went on holidays
[03:16] <praetor> Hobbsee: hehe yes holidays. Only another month for me before work starts :-[
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[03:17] <Hobbsee> praetor: :(
[03:17] <Hobbsee> praetor: i'm sure you can find more stuff to fix in that time, if you want :P
[03:18] <praetor> Hobbsee: hehe movers are taking my stuff on the 9th, I'll be without a computer and internet for maybe 2 weeks *gasp*
[03:18] <Hobbsee> argh!!!
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=== Hobbsee pokes imbrandon_ 
[03:44] <Jucato> :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato :)
[03:45] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[03:45] <Jucato> any date for the meeting yet?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope
[03:45] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ping?
[03:45] <Jucato> oh ok :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping too?
[03:46] <Jucato> I think I'm free for the whole week/weekend anyway
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i need to set one - if you've got a preferred day, let me know
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[03:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: pong?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you need both gnupg-agent and pinetry-qt installed to read encrypted mail?
[03:48] <nixternal> yes ma'am
[03:48] <nixternal> ready for the reason?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: dammit.  yes
[03:48] <nixternal> hehe
[03:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's the reason?
[03:49] <nixternal> i don't really know, but thought i did for a second :)
[03:49] <nixternal> for some reason, when reading an encrypted email, kmail will not pop-up the password box
[03:49] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[03:49] <nixternal> if you install pinentry-qt it will. now i don't know if you need the agent so much really
[03:49] <nixternal> i never tested w/o the agent, and always installed them together
[03:49] <Hobbsee> can you check without the agent please?
=== Hobbsee cant, as kmail keeps crashing on her imap mail
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: wait one sec
[03:50] <nixternal> you knwo what
[03:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :
[03:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[03:50] <nixternal> i just did a fresh install a cuople of weeks ago
[03:50] <nixternal> i didn't install gnugp-agent nor pinentry-qt
[03:50] <Hobbsee> after my changes from before - nice!
[03:50] <nixternal> all of my old emails that were encrypted, i was able to open and view, and it would ask me for the password
[03:50] <Hobbsee> so is even encrypted mail working now?
[03:50] <nixternal> ryanakca and myself were messing with encrypted emails one day
[03:51] <nixternal> and we couldn't read each others
[03:51] <ryanakca> I could read yours
[03:51] <nixternal> messing around i installed gnupg-agent and pinentry-qt and was able to read his emails
[03:51] <ryanakca> well, the ones you encrypted to me
[03:51] <nixternal> as it would ask for the password
[03:51] <ryanakca> yeah, after we got it working
[03:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: right..
[03:51] <nixternal> s/would/wouldn't in that last statement
[03:51] <nixternal> kmail and gpg sucks
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's why i want it fixed :)
[03:52] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: want a link to the HOWTO I followed? make sure you reboot in the middle, before testing it...
[03:52] <nixternal> i don't know why, and the kdepim devs know it as well
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: sure
[03:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i subscribe to the kdepim dev list and the user list, and it seems 75% of the emails are all gpg related
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: for kubuntu or other distros?
[03:52] <nixternal> kde period
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:52] <nixternal> err, kmail/kdepim
[03:53] <nixternal> most of the pim guys seem to be using a BSD and seeing the same issues
[03:53] <ryanakca> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde
[03:54] <nixternal> i know this, i have gnupg-agent and pinentry-qt instaled and I no longer have any issues (Edgy 3.5.5)
[03:54] <ryanakca> that one, and just a sec, I'll get the other one I used
[03:54] <ryanakca> http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
[03:54] <nixternal> funny thing is this, i have had different results, on my other machine i had to install so many other libs in order to get it to work for me
[03:54] <ryanakca> that one worked...
[03:54] <nixternal> this time it was those 2 files and boom it worked
[03:54] <ryanakca> gentoo one should work as well
[03:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, i modified it a few days ago
[03:55] <nixternal> oh another thing ryanakca and i figured out too, if the gpg key of the encrypted email isn't trusted, you won't decrypt it either
[03:55] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: you won't encrypt to them, wasn't it?
[03:55] <nixternal> i don't remember that issue with thunderbird and their silly agent
[03:55] <ryanakca> oops, s/Hobbsee/nixternal
[03:55] <nixternal> hehe
[03:56] <nixternal> ya ryanakca, that's what it was
[03:56] <nixternal> i couldn't encrypt the email to you w/o trusting you
[03:56] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: make sure you _reboot_ before doing the  "Check it Works in KMail" step...
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i want all of encryption, and signing them, to work.  and i want to know if both gnupg-agent and pinetry-qt, or just one of htem, or none of htem, are required to make kmail do signing/encryptijng out of the box :P
[03:56] <nixternal> and come one, we all know we really shouldn't trust ryanakca :)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: kmail is mostly unusable for me
[03:56] <nixternal> see i don't use imap, for pop3 kmail is wonderful
[03:57] <nixternal> now install beagle and watch the slowness kick in
[03:57] <ryanakca> and make sure to add the two following lines to .xsession before rebooting...
[03:57] <nixternal> on shutdowns that is, and spam checking
[03:57] <ryanakca> watchgnupg /home/ryan/.gnupg/log-socket
[03:57] <ryanakca> eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)"
[03:57] <nixternal> ryanakca: i dont' have that :)
[03:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: odd, I tried removing it and it didn't work :(
[03:57] <nixternal> i thought in the past i put the eval portion in my .bashrc, but can't remember anymore
[03:58] <nixternal> ya, i don't even have an .xsession file
[03:58] <ryanakca> no, you need to create one... the system default one is in /etc/X11/xsession iirc
[03:58] <nixternal> well ya
[03:58] <nixternal> but i never created one
[03:58] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: the kmail.kde.org has all the dependencies needed
[03:59] <nixternal> i can't remember my last setup either, i blew it away to install feisty
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: right.  so i can close all the encryption bugs nwo?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh wait.....
[03:59] <ryanakca> I dunno...
[04:00] <nixternal> when are we going to have some kde 3.5.6 packages for edgy :)
[04:00] <ryanakca> lol
[04:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sometime after 3.5.6 is released *g*
[04:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and after feisty ones
[04:00] <nixternal> hrmm, i thought it was already released
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[04:01] <nixternal> the doc guys make fun of me cuz i have 3.5.5
[04:01] <Hobbsee> January 15th, 2007: Tagging KDE 3.5.6
[04:01] <Hobbsee> January 23rd, 2007: Expected release date of KDE 3.5.6
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: dual boot
[04:01] <nixternal> wth was i thinking it was already released
[04:01] <Hobbsee> dunno
[04:02] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm... and resize my small hard-drive? :D
[04:02] <Hobbsee> how small is it?
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[04:02] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm trying to convert my mom to Kubuntu
[04:02] <ryanakca> 200GB :P
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:03] <ryanakca> at the moment it's the "I don't want to have to learn anything new" factor that's keeping her from switching...
[04:03] <Hobbsee> yeah....
[04:03] <Hobbsee> when they have to learn by force is always fun
[04:03] <nixternal> hehe, i have 10 os's on a 60gb drive
[04:03] <Hobbsee> "i've left you instructions on hwo to run linux, i'm off, bye"
[04:03] <nixternal> trying to borrow from each one too
[04:03] <ryanakca> so tommorow I'm going to have her do a usability test... it provides kubuntu some data, and she gets to see how easy it is to use at the same time
[04:04] <nixternal> my mom just received a lifetime of AOL for being a member for more than 10yrs. she won't leave it for 2 reasons, one of which i took care of, email, and the other is the stupid aol games that she is addicted to
[04:05] <Hobbsee> oh damn, i missed a dep of kmail, when i last got it uploaded
[04:05] <Hobbsee> gpgsm should also be a dep of kmail
[04:05] <ryanakca> She's running XP... and it's quite slow... about 45 seconds to open up Firefox (took me a month and a half to get her to stop using IE...)... 50 to open Outlook Express... live CD is very fast on it...
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[04:06] <ryanakca> and I'm trying to convince her that it's worth it... she won't have to dish out 100$ every year for Norton...
[04:06] <ryanakca> :D
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:07] <nixternal> ryanakca: my mom's box is xp as well, and i noticed the same thing with firefox taking forever to load. ie loads instantly. i hate her computer
[04:08] <nixternal> i hate xp
[04:08] <nixternal> i hate microsoft too
[04:08] <nixternal> except for ms office, i must admit that is one hell of a setup, just to damn expensive
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[04:38] <Hobbsee> mhb: what's a better time for you?
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[04:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: I installed open office on my mom's computer.... I gave her links to the documentation and showed her how to get help for it on IRC... the next day I went skiing and came back to find MS Office installed on her computer... Teacher and Student Edition...
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[06:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: anything between 14:30 and 05:00 UTC
[06:11] <Hobbsee> OK
[06:11] <Hobbsee> oh neat, UTC is UK time at the moment
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's the earliest time you can do a meeting?
[06:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: um.. 22:00 UTC? (that'd be 6:00 AM here...)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: right
[06:14] <Hobbsee> which is...9am here...
[06:14] <Jucato> that woudl be 9:00 AM there right?
[06:14] <Jucato> would*
[06:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, think so
[06:14] <Hobbsee> OK, lets do that.
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[06:15] <Hobbsee> mhb: preference of day?  Riddell and the other UK people will shoot us if we have a 5am meeting :P
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
=== Hobbsee can do the later times, with no uni at the moment
[06:16] <mhb> Hobbsee: any day you want
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mhb: right.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mhb: i'll grab my roster tonight, occasoinally i get day shifts
[06:16] <Hobbsee> (for next week)
[06:17] <mhb> okay
[06:18] <mhb> see you later
[06:19] <Hobbsee> :)
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Happy Newness! | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Please add to the agenda - we want to have a meeting next week! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
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[11:39] <seaLne> Hobbsee: pong
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[11:39] <Hobbsee> seaLne: heya.  was going to ask you something about kmail, dont remember what
[11:40] <seaLne> gpg presumably?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:41] <seaLne> i've had no end of problems with it
[11:41] <Hobbsee> i added a whole lot of deps, as the kde site said it needed them for gpg, and it's seeming towork, at least partially
[11:41] <seaLne> yeah now works on my feisty work machine which didn't before those changes
[11:41] <freeflying> imbrandon: arounds?
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[11:42] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yay :)  so it's fully working for you now?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> on feisty
[11:43] <seaLne> Hobbsee: some point edgy/feisty i stopped being able to read encrypted mails on work machine, at home i could never read most signed mails (without viewing source)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: right...i wonder why
[11:43] <seaLne> i had identical packages and gpg setups on home and work yet no luck at home
[11:44] <Hobbsee> hrm
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[11:45] <seaLne> before christmas at work i could view some signed emails but not most and got errors with encrypted mail, no password prompt
[11:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i had before
[11:46] <Hobbsee> seaLne: but is it working OK now, on both machines?
=== Hobbsee thinsk the answer is Yes
[11:46] <seaLne> not at home which is still edgy
[11:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, i didnt modify edgy :P
[11:47] <seaLne> yeah, just saying
[11:47] <Hobbsee> so that's expected
[11:47] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[11:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: meeting on wednesday, 2200 UTC sound good?
=== Hobbsee cant do thursday
[11:48] <Jucato> sure. that'd be thursday on our tiem anyway :)
[11:48] <Jucato> time*
[11:48] <Hobbsee> indeed
=== gnomefreak hating thursday already and its not even 6am
[11:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: why so?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: people are being *thinking* of a nice word
[11:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ah
[11:51] <Jucato> Hobbsee: so that would be Jan. 10 right? (Jan 11 for us)
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ignorant for lack of better word
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ah, yeah
[11:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahh
[11:52] <gnomefreak> oh and repo is down :(
[11:52] <Hobbsee> which?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> feisty main
[11:52] <Hobbsee> whihc mirror?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> atleast by the looks of it it is
[11:53] <gnomefreak> http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Get:6 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty Release.gpg [191B] 
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Ign http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Translation-en_AU
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hrm
[11:53] <Hobbsee> yeha, use gb.
[11:53] <gnomefreak> k i can do that :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> archive. seems to point to us.archive, iirc
[11:53] <gnomefreak> uk i thought
[11:53] <Hobbsee> or use a faster, local mirror
[11:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, maybe
[11:55] <gnomefreak> much better it looks like its downloading from them
[11:56] <gnomefreak> ty ;)
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[01:05] <mhb> good afternoon
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[01:09] <Riddell> aye
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[01:16] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
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[02:10] <mhb> do you know about the composite-by-default spec?
[02:11] <mhb> does Kubuntu plan to do a similar thing too?
=== Jucato prays no...
[02:13] <mhb> the spec talks about kwin too
[02:13] <Riddell> yes, we'll use kwin in kde 4
[02:13] <Jucato> oh kwin 4 yes :)
[02:18] <mhb> Riddell: so you don't plan to implement Beryl/Compiz support for Feisty?
[02:18] <Riddell> not by default no
[02:19] <mhb> Riddell: actually the spec talks about it (kwin replacement for supported machines)
[02:20] <Riddell> hmm, naughty spec
[02:21] <mhb> and easy kwin - compiz/beryl switching
[02:21] <mhb> Riddell: nasty, but Essential :o)
[02:21] <Jucato> heh there was even an approved Edgy spec before about using Oxygen icons as default :)
[02:23] <Riddell> that had caveats
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[02:27] <mhb> Jucato: that was a different issue
[02:27] <mhb> (lagged a bit, sorry)
[02:28] <Jucato> ugh.. sorry... terrible lag spike
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: where in particular are you again"
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is 2200 wednesday 10th a suitable meeting time for you, and people in the UK?
[02:31] <Jucato> Philippines
[02:32] <Hobbsee> which shouldnt have been effected by the tsunami, presumably...
[02:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the Taiwan earthquake did some major damage to undersea cables
[02:33] <Jucato> a big portion of asia/southeast asia got affected
[02:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: perfect for me
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[02:34] <Lure> Riddell: any news regarding digikamimageplugins?
[02:35] <Riddell> Lure: no, keybuk changed his ssh key or something and couldn't get in
[02:35] <Riddell> we need to poke someone else
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[02:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, which is what i thought..
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[02:43] <Jucato> :)
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[02:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you asked if not having access to my home server was deliberate.  it's not but accounts don't last long on that machine since it gets reinstalled each time I test a new kubuntu CD
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotcha :)
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[03:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: was only for that one point in time, where i couldnt upload of steve's machine, because of the packet loss, and couldnt upload off imbrandon_'s, as he didnt have ssh set up
[03:22] <Hobbsee> speaking of which..
=== Hobbsee POKES imbrandon_!!!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:23] <Riddell> steve?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: stevenk == steve
=== Hobbsee isnt referring to an old supervisor who came to visit
[03:24] <Hobbsee> speaking of which - what's the deal with psycoanalitical tests for job interviews???
[03:24] <mhb> Riddell: have you tested the patch yet?
[03:24] <mhb> from yesterday
[03:25] <Riddell> mhb: no, it's still a couple items down on my todo list I'm afraid
[03:25] <Riddell> but I will today
[03:25] <mhb> no problem ... it's just "medium", after all
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ROFL!  http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/bank-gives-cat-credit-card/2007/01/04/1167777209637.html
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[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: the mighty crimsun is better than us at reviewing
[03:49] <bddebian> Aye
[03:49] <Hobbsee> bddebian: he rejected what we put thru last night, there were a few bits missing
=== Hobbsee shrugs, and leaves the reviewing to him :P
[03:49] <bddebian> Yeah, he scolded me last night already :-)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:51] <ryanakca> where's all the kubuntu bugs again?
[03:51] <ryanakca> it used to be in the topic... and I can't seem to find the link in my bookmarks...
=== Hobbsee has it bookmarked
[03:51] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: triage kdepim for me, if you're looking for something to do :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> seeing as you're one of the few who actually use kdepim as a while
[03:53] <Hobbsee> s/while/whole/
[03:53] <ryanakca> lol
[03:54] <ryanakca> sure, finish this patch in doc-linux-html if your looking for something to do... it's simple... you create a directory, move files to it, over and over again for all the HOWTOs
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ouchy
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[03:55] <ryanakca> (there's only 300 of them...) :P
[03:55] <ryanakca> lol, g'night :)
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=== Hobbsee emails the ML @ meeting time
[03:57] <ryanakca> what time is it at again?
[03:57] <ryanakca> you had said 1200UTC?
[03:58] <Jucato> 2200 UTC
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=== ryanakca does the math...
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 2200UTC.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it changed :)
[03:59] <ryanakca> 1700EST, so, 5PM, I'm there :)
[04:00] <ryanakca> (hopefully... if it's on a wednesday, then no... but that's a 14% chance, so I'm fine :D)
[04:00] <Jucato> it's on a Wednesday...
=== ryanakca wonders why Ctrl-Alt-Esc doesn't work anymore :(
[04:01] <Jucato> :O
[04:04] <ryanakca> Jucato: really? wiki/Kubuntu/Meetings says sometime in January 2007, and it's not marked in -meetins' topic... and it's topic goes up to the 11... wednesday is the 10th
[04:04] <Jucato> well, I'm not really sure... let's just wait for Hobbsee :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's on a wednesday.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: do you want it on a tuesday instead?
[04:04] <ryanakca> :D
=== Hobbsee just cant do a thursday
[04:05] <ryanakca> hmm... same
[04:05] <Hobbsee> and a friday night meeting would be....well, unless it was at the pub
=== ryanakca has bagpipes on wednesday :D
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hehe, nice!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> sure you cant play the bagpipes for us during the meeting?
[04:05] <ryanakca> which I can't enter (pub that is) :D
[04:05] <Hobbsee> what, not old enough?
[04:06] <ryanakca> well, unless I setup a wireless network at the band hall, steal my mums laptop and somehow stream our practice live...
[04:06] <ryanakca> nope
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:06] <Hobbsee> awww
=== Hobbsee thoguth you were over 18
[04:06] <ryanakca> hehehe, nope
[04:06] <ryanakca> 14 :P
[04:06] <Jucato> so many devs... below my age... :(
[04:06] <Hobbsee> wow, a really young one!
[04:06] <ryanakca> lol
=== Hobbsee wont serve you cigarettes, then :P
=== ryanakca has been using linux since 11 :P
[04:07] <ryanakca> good
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
=== ryanakca chucks Hobbsee's cigarettes into the lake... or /dev/null for that matter :P
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hey now.  work would not be pleased with that
[04:08] <ryanakca> where d'you work?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> a supermarket
[04:09] <Hobbsee> it's very yellow and red :P
[04:10] <ryanakca> hehe, independent grocers?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> bilo, actually
=== ryanakca thought you needed to go to bed :)
=== Hobbsee is australian
[04:10] <ryanakca> never heard of it...
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i do, i do...
[04:10] <ryanakca> I know... that's why your in the future... :D
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:11] <mhb> that's the problem with australians ... they wake up when you go to sleep :o)
[04:11] <ryanakca> independent is the red and yellow one here...
=== Hobbsee is going to bed....and chatting...
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[04:11] <ryanakca> lol
[04:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: it is.  i live in a sucky timezone
=== Hobbsee is a night owl, anyway
=== Hobbsee wonders what the temperature in spain would be, about the time of UDS...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> </random thought>
[04:14] <ryanakca> warmer than here, I can pretty much garantee you that,,,
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:14] <Hobbsee> that's not saying much...
[04:16] <sebas> Hobbsee: I guess around 25 degrees, depending on where you are in Spain
[04:16] <sebas> Might be warmer, of course
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sebas: C or F?
[04:18] <sebas> C, it's Europe :P
[04:18] <Hobbsee> smart :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> well then, i might not freeze :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: meeting moved to tuesday, fridge emailed.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: should show up in topic sometime soonish of -meeting, and after i update it here
[04:18] <mhb> I guess we need a sort of meeting management
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: meaning?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: give me the summary now, and tell me the rest tomorrow :P
[04:20] <mhb> Hobbsee: like a way for everyone (at least everyone important for the meeting) to indicate if he's (not) available
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mhb: true.  usually it's fine, and it's on thursday nights.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> however, with me nto at uni, this one's later, so more people can be there
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mhb: i have a mental list of that though
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[04:21] <mhb> good night
[04:29] <mhb> ryanakca: so you need to make it to the meeting, eh? :o) Are you applying for membership?
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[04:30] <mhb> ryanakca: just wondering
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[04:45] <ryanakca> mhb: back, I was having breakfast :D
[04:45] <ryanakca> mhb: dunno, should I?
[04:47] <mhb> ryanakca: that's completely up to you
[04:47] <ryanakca> mhb: wonder how much people do before applying
[04:48] <mhb> ryanakca: I was just curious why you need to be on that meeting
[04:49] <ryanakca> I don't... I just want to be there...
[04:49] <ryanakca> hmm...
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[04:51] <Jucato> :)
[04:53] <ryanakca> "at least two months of visible, significant activity"... well, I've been doing stuff since the summber, dunno if it was very visible... or significant..
=== ryanakca thinks all in all it's significant...
[04:55] <ryanakca> I'll think about it... but I like the idea...
[05:00] <ryanakca> Jucato: who do I assign kdepim bugs to?
[05:00] <ryanakca> Hobbsee?
[05:00] <Jucato> uh... I don't know... :(
[05:01] <ryanakca> hmm... well... she IS the last one to have uploaded it... *scratches head*
[05:02] <mhb> ryanakca: why do you need to assign them?
[05:03] <ryanakca> it's a wishlist bug... so that it can be implemented?
=== ryanakca rereads his triaging manual...
[05:04] <ryanakca> wait... nevermind... it should be forwarded upstream :D
[05:04] <Jucato> triaging manual?
[05:04] <mhb> give me the number
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[05:12] <mhb> ryanakca: ^^
[05:12] <ryanakca> just a sec
[05:12] <ryanakca> bug 77682
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77682 in kdepim "Unable to save Event "foo" when calendar is stored on an imap folder" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77682
[05:13] <ryanakca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[05:13] <ryanakca> Jucato: ^^
[05:14] <Jucato> ooh thanks
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[05:21] <mhb> hallo Zerlinna
[05:21] <Zerlinna> hi mhb  :)
[05:39] <mhb> Hobbsee|Remote: did you know there's a CC meeting on Tuesday?
=== ryanakca wonders if Hobbsee has the endless ring when you are pinged on, and how much she likes being woken up by it :D
[05:49] <ryanakca> hey Zerlinna
[05:50] <ryanakca> mhb: that happened to me once :D
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[05:52] <ryanakca> mhb: what would I do with bug 76314 ... it's not a bug, bug I can confirm it... iirc, It's supposed to be that way... Reject it?
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76314 in doc-linux "Some -HOWTOs installed on an en-gb system are not in English" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76314
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[05:53] <ryanakca> s/bug/but
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[05:56] <matlec> hi
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[05:56] <matlec> is there an easy way to update to apt 0.6.46.4 (without moving to feisty ;-))?
[05:58] <mhb> ryanakca: I guess leave rejecting to the people that manage that particular package
[05:58] <ryanakca> mhb: aka, me...
[05:58] <ryanakca> mhb: there's 5 bugs... 4 of them are assigned to me... the other one is that one... it's auto synced from Debian
[05:59] <mhb> ryanakca: I see
[05:59] <mhb> ryanakca: why it is not a bug?
[06:00] <ryanakca> because the HOWTOs are synced from TLDP... it's a package meant to contain all the HOWTOs..
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[06:01] <ryanakca> it isn't language specific in other words...
[06:02] <mhb> ryanakca: how does the sync from TLDP go? Through Debian?
[06:02] <ryanakca> yeah
[06:03] <ryanakca> Debian syncs it every month
[06:03] <ryanakca> and then we sync it from them
[06:03] <ryanakca> (at least that's what it looks like)
[06:03] <mhb> ryanakca: if so, you can mark it as rejected and state that it is a Debian bug
[06:03] <ryanakca> kk
[06:04] <ryanakca> or file it in Debian and then link it in this bug?
[06:04] <mhb> ryanakca: yes
[06:04] <ryanakca> kk, thanks
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[06:19] <Zerlinna> hi ryanakca sorry I was afk
[06:19] <Riddell> hello UbuntuSt1ts
[06:20] <ryanakca> hehe..
[06:20] <mhb> Riddell: that's a stats bot, judging by his name
[06:20] <Riddell> yeah, but who runs it?
=== ryanakca wonders where his stats bot got to..
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[06:22] <mhb> Riddell: http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/  <-- this guy, AFAIK
[06:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: Contact: gouki |AT| goukihq |DOT| org
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[06:25] <Riddell> "Don't go out much (can't stand the light) but mainly because I hate most people."  not the most sociable of chaps
[06:26] <Riddell> http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org/kubuntu-devel/
[06:26] <ryanakca> lol
[06:27] <mhb> Riddell: you're the most used word! Congrats! :o)
[06:27] <ryanakca> lol
[06:28] <ryanakca> and I'm the 19th!
[06:30] <ryanakca> mhb: I've decided I'm going for membership...
[06:31] <mhb> ryanakca: good luck then
[06:32] <ryanakca> heh, ty
[06:33] <ryanakca> mhb: current version: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh
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[07:02] <mhb> ryanakca: great
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[07:43] <nixternal> Hobbsee|Remote: Jan 11 @ 1200 UTC for the meeting then?
=== nixternal will add that to the fridge
[07:44] <toma> nixternal: on kubuntu-devel from hobsee: Argh, make that Tuesday the 9th, so that Ryanakca can make it.
[07:45] <ryanakca> toma: yeah, I'm applying for membership :D
[07:46] <toma> ryanakca: have you transfered the money to my account by then?
=== ryanakca scans a couple of canadian bills... sure
[07:46] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:46] <nixternal> so it is the 9th now?
[07:46] <toma> ryanakca: ;-)
[07:46] <nixternal> hehe
[07:47] <toma> nixternal: thats why i see on kubuntu-devel, she wrote that at 16:17 cet
[07:47] <nixternal> i see the 10th on devel
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[07:48] <toma> nixternal: she replied to that
[07:49] <nixternal> hmm, i haven't gotten that yet
[07:49] <nixternal> tuesday the 9th, 2200?
[07:49] <toma> yes
[07:49] <toma> cc to fridge-devel, maybe you have a filter for that
[07:50] <nixternal> ahh, got it at fridge-devel
[07:50] <nixternal> thanks
[07:50] <nixternal> just posted it on the fridge
[07:52] <mhb> nixternal: umm
[07:53] <mhb> nixternal: CC meeting is from 21:00 to 23:00
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[07:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:53] <nixternal> sure is
[07:53] <nixternal> and we know that will be more than 2 hours
[07:54] <nixternal> good catch mhb
[07:54] <mhb> nixternal: I poked Hobbsee|Remote about it, but she's asleep
[07:54] <nixternal> for the time being, i will put 1900 to 2100 to stop the overlapping and will wait to hear back from Hobbsee|Remote
=== ryanakca checks his logs for the time
[07:55] <ryanakca> she had said the time this morning... umm...
[07:55] <ryanakca> [09:58]  <Hobbsee> ryanakca: 2200UTC.
[07:55] <ryanakca> [09:58]  <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it changed :)
[07:56] <nixternal> ya, can't do 2200 on the 9th though because of the CC
[07:56] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[07:56] <nixternal> is the 9th you only open day?
[07:56] <Riddell> so it's on the 11th?
[07:57] <ryanakca> monday, tuesday, friday...
[07:57] <nixternal> sometime between the 9th and the 11th now :)
[07:58] <ryanakca> thursday I could if it's after 7PM EST (end of the day midnight, friday morning midnight UTC)... and hobbsee said she couldn't make it on thursday, so that
[07:58] <ryanakca> that's crossed out...
[07:59] <ryanakca> the 10th I can't because I have bagpipe lesson/practice... so, we had settled on the Tuesday (9th)...
[08:00] <ryanakca> if it clashes with too many schedules, I can alwais wait till next meeting for membership
[08:00] <nixternal> dude, we want some bagpipe.ogg love around here
[08:00] <ryanakca> lol
=== nixternal loves the sound of bagpipes
[08:01] <nixternal> come on, everyone can do amazing grace with the bagpipes. i want to hear some van halen on the bag pipes :)
[08:01] <ryanakca> as I said earlier, that means I'd have to set up a wifi network at the band hall, steal my mums laptop, and somehow get it to stream our practice
[08:01] <ryanakca> lol
[08:01] <nixternal> cabo wabo preferably
=== ryanakca can play some nice jigs and reels on it.... a pobaireachd... a whole slew of marches and retreats... some strathspeys... 
[08:02] <toma> nixternal, mhb: can't we have a #kubuntu-meeting for that occasion or have it here?
[08:02] <ryanakca> cabo wabo?
[08:03] <nixternal> toma: sounds reasonable to me, however the whole logging thing and the officialness (yes i made that word up i think) of #ubuntu-meeting
[08:03] <nixternal> No definitions found for 'officialness'.
[08:03] <ryanakca> lol
[08:03] <nixternal> yup, made that one up
[08:03] <ryanakca> officiality?
=== ryanakca searches for the adjectif form of it...
[08:04] <nixternal> well seeing as bush is our president and can make up words, i feel i can do the same :)
[08:04] <toma> nixternal: bonus points if you can pronounce it
[08:04] <nixternal> hehe
[08:04] <ryanakca> lol
[08:04] <nixternal> i can't even pronounce my own name, let alone something with more than 4 letters
[08:05] <ryanakca> k-ooo-b-OOOn-t-ooo ?
[08:07] <nixternal> ouch
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[08:13] <mhb> soo?
[08:13] <fdoving> hello.
[08:15] <nixternal> heh, i accidentally changed the cc meeting :)
[08:17] <ryanakca> lol
[08:17] <ryanakca> so at what time is our meeting?
[08:19] <nixternal> who knows as of right now :)
[08:19] <fdoving> does it change all the time?
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[08:26] <mhb> can't we get organized somehow?
[08:26] <nixternal> we can, but i think that is up to Riddell and Hobbsee on when to hold the meeting. All I do is add it to the Fridge :)
[08:27] <Riddell> we need to wait for Hobbsee to wake up
[08:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm... if you can figure a way for me to blast my pipes threw her speakers, I'm all for it :P... 'till then, bbl
[08:29] <mhb> by the way, is there a feature in Kontact (or something like that) for remote calendar purposes? I'd guess there is.
[08:33] <nixternal> mhb: yes, you can download the ical and them import it. that is what i do. there is also a way to not only import but to synchronize with the fridge cal, but it doesn't allow you to make any changes or additions
[08:33] <nixternal> i.e., you can set an alarm for it
[08:33] <nixternal> s/can/can't
[08:33] <mhb> nixternal: ahh
[08:33] <nixternal> i download the ical file, goto kcal, and then File->Import
[08:34] <mhb> I think all this finding out who has/ has not free time takes too much time
[08:34] <nixternal> and then just have it merge with the current calendar. it has worked great and allows me to add alarms/notifications
[08:34] <nixternal> mhb: agreed, but we need to try and accomodate as many people as possible
[08:35] <nixternal> the original plan was for 1200 UTC, and at that time I am rolling out of bed and wiping my eyes usually before class or work
[08:35] <ryanakca> 1200UTC, is when I have breakfast and get ready to go to school...
[08:36] <nixternal> 1200UTC is 0600 here
[08:37] <fdoving> i can't make 1200UTC either.
[08:37] <mhb> nixternal: that why I ask if there's technology around that makes it easier
[08:38] <nixternal> well, I know on the doc team, we have/had a list of everyones available times and then would add them up to see which hour had the most points, and would schedule the meeting around that
[08:39] <ryanakca> yeah, or make a table on the wiki and have everyone add their name into the collumn with the time at which they're available
[08:39] <ryanakca> that way you just pick the time where there's the most names...
[08:40] <nixternal> i can go ahead and create/borrow from the doc wiki page for that to setup
[08:40] <nixternal> it is quite easy
[08:40] <nixternal> however you have to make sure you add up the numbers after you add your information
[08:40] <mhb> I would vote for a bit slicker solution
[08:40] <ryanakca> here, just a sec...
[08:41] <ryanakca> mhb: a poll on the forums?
[08:41] <mhb> like syncing with a Kontact-friendly server
[08:41] <nixternal> hmm. mhb activekolab (i believe that is what it is called) would be perfect
[08:41] <nixternal> or something like tutos
[08:41] <ryanakca> mhb: most people... dislike... kontact :)
[08:41] <Riddell> they do?
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[08:42] <mhb> I dig kontact
[08:42] <nixternal> http://www.activecollab.com/
[08:42] <toma> dislike
[08:43] <nixternal> http://www.kolab.org/  <-- and of course there is always kolab
[08:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: well, Hobbsee told me this morning that I should triage kdepim bugs because I was one of the few people who use it
[08:44] <ryanakca> nixternal: is there a kolab server anywheres?
[08:44] <nixternal> none that i know of. i was tempted to set on up here at home, but never did
[08:44] <ryanakca> (that we could use)
=== ryanakca can try to set one up...
[08:44] <nixternal> i can add an activecolab setup though on my dreamhost domain to play with
[08:45] <ryanakca> simple as sudo apt-get install kolabd kolab-webadmin kolab-resource-handlers           :D
[08:49] <mhb> although kontact may not be loved by all, having a more "professional" calendar solution would be ... professional? :o)
[08:49] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:49] <mhb> and it may speed things up a bit, which is the point
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[08:51] <nixternal> hehe
[08:51] <nixternal> i just setup a kubuntu subdomain with activecollab
[08:51] <nixternal> waiting for dns to sync so i can finish setting it up
[08:52] <ryanakca> heh... so you're setting up a server too?
[08:52] <nixternal> not kolab, but activecollab. i have been wanting to test it out for LoCo and LUG use as well
[08:53] <nixternal> right now the LUG I run uses Tutos, which is OK, but very ugly
[08:53] <ryanakca> hmm... kolab can be used in contact and web interface... and activecollab?
[08:53] <nixternal> i believe the same, we shall find out shortly though
[08:54] <ryanakca> kk
[09:06] <ryanakca> oooh... this is interesting... and overly complicated... kolab2 is basicly a mail server type thingy...
[09:06] <Riddell> that is the whole point of kolab
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[09:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah, I thought it was just a organisation type thingy
[09:13] <nixternal> activecollab is rediculous
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[09:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: ?
[09:19] <nixternal> doesn't serve any straight forward purpose
[09:19] <nixternal> you can manage a project if you don't want to include dates
[09:20] <ryanakca> heh
[09:20] <ryanakca> bbl...
=== ryanakca still thinks that wiki is the simplest and quickest thing for finding out the best time...
[09:21] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/
[09:21] <ryanakca> stick a link in the topic... people add their name... that simple
[09:21] <nixternal> hahah, read the title
[09:22] <ryanakca> sure, I'll buy it for 4 million :P
[09:23] <ryanakca> just add this line into a file with this extention ".py"...     print '$' * 4000000, 'USD'       ... then stick it threw python :P
[09:24] <nixternal> hehe
[09:24] <nixternal> ya right, that would really anger someone
[09:25] <nixternal> heh, would be funny. I wonder how loud they would yell WTF!
[09:25] <nixternal> as their screen gets flooded
[09:32] <mhb> where's Tonio these days?
[09:32] <Riddell> making babies?  not sure
[09:32] <mhb> Riddell: oh, forgot about that :o) silly me
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[09:36] <nixternal> haha
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[09:53] <mhb> Riddell: are there KDE4 packages in Feisty yet?
[09:55] <Riddell> mhb: same ones as in edgy
[09:55] <Riddell> they're out of date for developing with
[09:56] <mhb> what I'd love would be scripts that can fetch SVN and build a package
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[09:57] <jdong> mhb: you mean like Gentoo? :P
[09:57] <jdong> (kidding)
[09:57] <mhb> jdong: gentoo doesn't fetch SVN, does it?
[09:58] <fdoving> it can probably do that too.
[09:58] <jdong> mhb: lots of people have adapted ebuilds to directly check out svn and then build
[09:58] <jdong> and it's not too hard to do, actually
[09:58] <jdong> so each time you re-emerge a package it checks it out again from svn
[09:58] <jdong> heh I guess nothing stops one from doing this with debs either :)
[09:58] <fdoving> didn't imbrandon start some kde4 packaging?
[09:58] <jdong> with a bit of scripting and taboo network access during build :D
[09:59] <mhb> well, it would be really helpful for devs like me
[09:59] <mhb> those that are too lazy to follow the build howto
[10:00] <jdong> :)
[10:00] <jdong> wonder if such a script will hit automatix-level animousity/resent :)
[10:00] <jdong> it seems like it's near-taboo to script operations into a one-click thing
[10:01] <fdoving> when it fails, it's not nice.
[10:01] <jdong> hehe
[10:01] <jdong> same can be said about hand-doing it too
[10:01] <fdoving> true.
[10:02] <fdoving> mhb: read though http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version?
[10:02] <mhb> fdoving: yes
[10:02] <fdoving> with a space at the end before ?.
[10:03] <mhb> fdoving: and it's really not a friendly process
[10:04] <mhb> fdoving: with the whole new user and all
[10:06] <mhb> fdoving: and I would be really glad if you could just give out a Kubuntu Feisty and say "you know that complicated page with the user setup? Forget it - with Kubuntu you can get your environment set up in a second"
[10:07] <fdoving> that would be nice. :)
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[10:10] <mhb> fdoving: exactly - but I don't have the packaging/KDE4 experience to do such a script by myself (without a lot of time which I don't have :o)
[10:15] <fdoving> in any case, that would be a very complex script, and as kde4 changes alot, i think it would be a pain to maintain.
[10:16] <mhb> fdoving: the wiki page doesn't change much
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[10:16] <fdoving> that's because they don't provide packages.
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[10:16] <mhb> fdoving: even without the package management it would be a helpful one
[10:16] <fdoving> if stuff move around it will be covered by the build-systems.
[10:21] <mhb> fdoving: don't packages use that systems too?
[10:21] <mhb> fdoving: the packaging tools, I mean
[10:22] <fdoving> they would have to use them, yes, but you still need to somehow select what files goes in what package, and so on.. one could probably make huge packages, like 'kdebase.deb' and so on. not separating out the apps.
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[10:53] <Riddell> mhb: about?
[10:54] <mhb> Riddell: still here
[10:54] <Riddell> mhb: mm, no my mistake :)
[10:54] <Riddell> mhb: adept still uses libapt-front, not libept, so I'll change that and commit your patch
[10:56] <mhb> Riddell: is it the same?
[10:56] <Riddell> libept is a newer version of libapt-front
[10:56] <Riddell> but adept still uses the older version
[10:57] <Riddell> it's very confusing
[10:57] <Riddell> hmm, who else was doing an adept patch?
[10:58] <mhb> Riddell: so there's an libapt-front and libept catalogs (.po files) which do the same thing?
[10:58] <Riddell> mhb: which do almost the same thing
[10:59] <mhb> Riddell: so you're 100% sure that all the lines in Adept (the problematic ones) are available in libapt-front.po?
[10:59] <Riddell> mhb: can't see why they wouldn't be
[11:00] <mhb> Riddell: okay then
[11:03] <mhb> Riddell: libapt-front.mo exists, but it's not a part of translation templates for Adept
[11:03] <Riddell> well no, it'll be part of libapt-front
[11:03] <mhb> I see
[11:03] <mhb> a tiny bit harder to find
[11:07] <mhb> it is possible to make an application mixed with C++&KDE and Python&Pykde code?
[11:08] <Riddell> yes, for various definitions of mixed
[11:08] <Riddell> why?
[11:09] <mhb> just wondering if that is possible
[11:10] <mhb> any docs for that around?
[11:10] <Riddell> well system settings does it with modules and libpythonise
[11:11] <Riddell> another way is to call a separate application, like I do in the new language selector stuff
[11:11] <Riddell> koffice has kross which exports interfaces you can use in python or ruby
[11:13] <mhb> thanks
[11:13] <mhb> I'll take a look at those
[11:16] <mhb> Was Adept's UI designed by the KDE (UI) folks?
[11:16] <Riddell> mhb: no, el did a review some months ago but it hasn't been implemented
[11:17] <mhb> Riddell: that might be interesting to read
[11:18] <Riddell> look up the edgy adept spevc
[11:18] <Riddell> spec
[11:18] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[11:24] <mhb> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability those pictures & descriptions are the final results of the review, right?
[11:25] <Riddell> that's the one
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[11:38] <Riddell> mhb: adept patch in svn and uploaded to feisty, many thanks
[11:38] <Riddell> praetor: just the dude!
[11:38] <Riddell> praetor: did you have a patch for adept?
[11:44] <mhb> Riddell: no need to thank me ... it was a bug I myself disliked
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[11:53] <mhb> good night everyone
[12:08] <praetor> Riddell: i've got it sitting here, for adept2.1.1ubuntu3
[12:08] <praetor> Riddell: i've sent it to mornfall who said he would put it into svn as a library with conditional compilation for kubuntu
[12:09] <Riddell> praetor: lets get it into feisty.  can you send it to me?
[12:10] <praetor> Riddell: sure
[12:12] <praetor> Riddell: one sec