[12:15] <geoffb> liam_: what trouble are you having, specifically?
[12:15] <liam_> ok well im playing constantine and the error message is this
[12:16] <liam_> the source code cannot be read
[12:16] <geoffb> eep!
[12:16] <liam_> maybe you dont have rights
[12:16] <liam_> then another one says
[12:16] <geoffb> uh... is this your first attempt at playing DVDs... or have you been able to play others in the past?
[12:16] <liam_> no plugin found to handle this resource
[12:16] <tusitala> good evening to all you friends
[12:17] <liam_> no this is the first time in linux
[12:17] <geoffb> liam_: if the first time, then you may need to install some DVD-specific libraries. Will you please take a look-see at the web pages that fdoving highlighted for you, and follow the instructions there...
[12:18] <geoffb> liam_: DVD doesn't work out-of-the-box with [k] ubuntu, you need to add some stuff...
[12:18] <liam_> ok will do thanks
[12:18] <geoffb> these ones:
[12:18] <geoffb> !dvd | liam_
[12:18] <ubotu> liam_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:18] <liam_> that seems to be the case with everything in linux
[12:18] <geoffb> u welcome
[12:18] <liam_> almost like build your own os
[12:19] <liam_> lol sorry bad joke
[12:19] <geoffb> liam_: yeah, it does feel that way sometimes. The nice bit is that you get to choose what you need, and nothing more... no crud, no bloat :-)
[12:19] <liam_> yup
[12:19] <tusitala> I'm sorry to interrupt, but  I need to ask just one question. Does anyone know how do work a Wacom graphic tablet in the newly Kubuntu 6.10??
[12:21] <liam_> its too late to read all that lol ill do it in the morning lol
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> tusitala: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[12:24] <kubuntian> somebody can tell me why even though i didn't install the flashplayer9 plugin in my new kubuntu installation i just opened a website that uses it correctly?!?! i am confused.. :S
[12:24] <kubuntian> i checked in synaptic and it is not installed! but i can still see videos from youtube for example.. :S
[12:25] <kubuntian> why?
[12:25] <amir> Can someone tell me where to get drives or something to get ALL my speakers to work. Iv'e got 5.1 suround but only the middle one and the two back ones work
[12:25] <fdoving> kubuntian: there is a installer-plugin-thing installed. you should have been warned about it beeing installed.
[12:25] <kubuntian> ??
[12:25] <kubuntian> what do you mean? plugin-thing?
[12:26] <fdoving> kubuntian: it's a evil patch that i don't like at all. http://opensource.dental-on-line.com/?page_id=20
[12:26] <kubuntian> is it a ubuntu thing??
[12:26] <amir> fdoving do you know anything about my sound issue?
[12:26] <fdoving> amir: sorry, i don't know much about sound at all.
[12:27] <fdoving> !sound | amir
[12:27] <ubotu> amir: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[12:27] <kubuntian> fdoving: yeah, but i am using firefox, not konqui.. :S
[12:27] <tusitala> Linux_Galore Thank you very much. Even if I think in my case it's a sintax problem whit the Xorg configuration. I will review all the step. Thanks!
[12:27] <fdoving> kubuntian: oh.. then i don't know what you've done.
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> kubuntian: Ubuntu dont forget is for newer users so it often has a habbit of doing meta installs ie multiple packages for a single app ie firefox and all the plugins
[12:28] <kubuntian> Linux_Galore: i know.. but those are NOT installed!
[12:28] <amir> Can someone tell if it is safe to uninstall konqui from my system and use only firefox?
[12:28] <kubuntian> i checked and the packages are not selected!
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> kubuntian: check your ~/.mozilla/plugins  directory
[12:28] <kubuntian> Linux_Galore: OMG
[12:28] <kubuntian> you are right
[12:29] <kubuntian> that's why
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know if i'd recommend dropping konqueror.  isn't that necessary?
[12:29] <kubuntian> i copied my home directory from my previous installation.. :) and i forgot the firefox plugins can be in there too :)
[12:29] <fdoving> amir: you can't easily uninstall konqueror and have a working KDE system.
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> amir: konqueror is also your file manager, delete that and you have no file manager, firefox isnt a file manager
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> hai genii
[12:31] <fdoving> nite all.
[12:32] <amir> linux_galore, in that case how do I avoid konqueror from starting up when I cilck on lincs?
[12:32] <MetaBookfoziS> amir > i don't think uninstall konqui is a kood idea
[12:32] <MetaBookfoziS> but
[12:32] <dwidmann> amir: change the default browser in systemsettings
[12:32] <kubuntian> i need a korganizer expertise... in which file position of the calendar used from korganizer is saved??
[12:32] <MetaBookfoziS> you can set everywhere the other programs for fielamanging and browsing
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> amir: varies, you can set the general setup in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[12:34] <amir> Thank you everyone
[12:34] <Linux_Galore> amir: allot of apps allow you to specify what browser is the default browser when you work with links
[12:35] <dwidmann> you can change the default browser in systemsettings -> Default Applications .......
[12:35] <amir> I know that but, when I open www.google.com from the irc channel, konq will open it not firefox
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> ?? systemsettings  wtf is that
[12:36] <fdoving> kubuntian: look in ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer
[12:36] <Daisuke_Ido> System Settings
[12:36] <amir> I dont know how to enter sustemsettings
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> amir: if you look in the irc client setting you can set the default browser
[12:37] <amir> ok
[12:37] <Linux_Galore> settings*
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> K Menu, should be right in there.
[12:39] <amir> ohh, It will take me some time to learn KDE
[12:39] <rainer> hello, I installed the package "k3d" some time ago but it resulted in a traceback (it's installed, but apt ended with failure), now I cant remove/purge it because of a python related error when trying so. is there a way to just "kill" the package? ;)
[12:39] <genii> Linux_Galore:  Busy night? ;)
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> rainer: you mean k3b, why would you do that, its in the repo
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> genii: morning here
[12:40] <rainer> no, I mean k3d
[12:40] <rainer> pool/universe/k/k3d/
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> aaah K-3D
[12:41] <rainer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-December/008122.html  - this is relevant (edgy update which mentions that the package is installable/removable again)
[12:42] <rainer> but as my version isn't, I dont know how to get rid of the apt errors
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> rainer: so you forced the install ??
[12:42] <amir> Can someone tell me how to, setup so that I have to dubble click my icons instead of just clicking them once and they open?
[12:42] <kubuntian> somebody can tell me why i can't see received personal emoticons in kopete? did i miss a setting? they worked before!!!
[12:43] <rainer> no, I installed it with aptitude and it installed the files (and I can run it) but at the end there was a traceback
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> rainer: you do know you cant just grab any old package and install it without the supporting libs
[12:43] <rainer> and now when I try to remove/purge/whatever or just run a normal update it errors about k3
[12:43] <rainer> d
[12:43] <rainer> I think you dont know what I mean :) I installed it like 3 weeks ago and it always errord
[12:43] <rainer> then this update was uploaded to edgy, but there's no way to uninstall the version I have installed
[12:43] <rainer> and it doesnt seem to try to use the new version or something
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> rainer: so you have installed it an you cant now remove it
[12:44] <rainer> the new .deb in edgy seems to fix it, but I installed it before that update was uploaded, i.e. I have an uninstallable/un-uninstallable k3d
[12:44] <rainer> exactly :p
[12:45] <kubuntian> somebody can tell me why i can't see received personal emoticons in kopete? did i miss a setting? they worked before!!! help!! :S
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> rainer:  sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends
[12:45] <rainer> errors
[12:46] <rainer> it's impossible to do anything lol
[12:46] <_abbenormal> hello all
[12:46] <_abbenormal> anyone playing with feisty
[12:46] <_abbenormal> looking for info and sources.list
[12:47] <rainer> Linux_Galore: http://pastebin.com/850580
[12:47] <rainer> and btw. is there a better pastebin? pastebin.com takes 30 seconds to upload an entrance and same long time to load it for me ;)
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> rain have you done  dpkg --configure -a
[12:49] <rainer> yes, doesnt change anything (it doesnt error, but removing it still doesnt work)
[12:49] <amir> Can someone tell me how to, setup so that I have to dubble click my icons instead of just clicking them once and they open?
[12:50] <fdoving> amir: kmenu -> system settings -> keyboard & mouse -> mouse -> doubleclick.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> i would like to upgrade to DeVeDe2.9 , but after removing the 2.7 version and installing the newer 2.9 , I find that the 2.7 version is still inplace ...what gives ?
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> rainer: apt-get -f install
[12:52] <BluesKaj> tried removing the older version but it can't find the pkg
[12:53] <rainer> Linux_Galore: it says 1 not fully installed or removed. but at the end same traceback again
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> rainer: lat thing I can think of is the doozy of all removals dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --purge package_name
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> last*
[12:54] <rainer> traceback, too :p
[12:54] <rainer> anyway, I'll just not update packages anymore and wait for feisty2 :)
[12:55] <rainer> I always seem to be the one who does exactly those things which dont work :(
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> rainer: looks like a broken install script in the original package
[12:56] <amir> How do I enter alsamixer ? Where can I find it?
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> amir: run kmix
[12:56] <kubuntian> !dvd
[12:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:57] <flaccid> !kickoff
[12:57] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Im running kickoff
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> needs a config tool though
[12:58] <deth-of-rats> hi all, i got a question.. im setting up a kubuntu file server that will be intergrated into a win2k3 active directory, and i was wondering which file system is best to use?
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: you mean the poorly documented Windows active directory
[12:59] <deth-of-rats> lol, yeah.. that one
[01:00] <deth-of-rats> if i could master samber better and figure out a way of managing winxp group policies from a samba server id be there
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: use swat, it makes setting up samba a no brainer
[01:02] <deth-of-rats> i played around with that ages ago.. back in my mandrake days.. i ended up killing just about everything
[01:02] <dwidmann> kcmsambaconf isn't half bad either, once you get a handle on things
[01:02] <genii> deth-of-rats: Are you using some thing like Unix Services for Windows on the 2k3 box?
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: the problem with windows is there is no documentation or very little on the protocols used and Microsoft has added lots of layers of weirdness
[01:04] <seconde> anyone know how I can get more channels?
[01:04] <seconde> only got kubuntu support at the moment
[01:04] <deth-of-rats> yeah... i have got samba into the domain, joined the ad, and its up and running.... it connects, uses the ad for authentication to shares.. works.. all is happy.... and on kubuntu it has been alot easier than other linux distros... only thing im curious about (althougn now ill try some of those samba admin suggestions), is which filesystem would be best for data reliability?
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> seconde: ext3 is pretty rock solid, I use xfs because we manage huge files
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> oops
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: : ext3 is pretty rock solid, I use xfs because we manage huge files
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> better
[01:08] <deth-of-rats> ok.. im using ext3 atm.. but.. i was wondering if this was the sort of file system i use for a data server.... there is over 600 gig of stuff
[01:08] <Linux_Galore> someone ban KaiHanari
[01:08] <KaiHanari> No
[01:08] <KaiHanari> someone dont
[01:08] <KaiHanari> unattended system when a router resets doesnt mean ban
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: yeah, 600Gig isnt allot these days
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: Ive got 2Tb of storage
[01:09] <WildRover> What's a good way to cache and serve media services like podcasts and RSS?
[01:10] <genii> deth-of-rats: ext3 is fine for a data server file system. If you wanted some kind of redundancy and the budget allows you could add another large drive and do raid1 with ext3  on it
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: to be honest zfs is the best but its not ported to Linux yet, next best is either ext3 for general file types or XFS if your video editing
[01:11] <fdoving> deth-of-rats: i'd recommend xfs if you want backups, xfs_dump is very nice.
[01:11] <we6jbo_> hi
[01:11] <deth-of-rats> lol, yeah i know.. technology hey... i mentioned 600 gig, but i probably should have mentioned 600 gig worth of pics and word documents... a bit worried about fragmenting... there is 600 gig is in a raid5 config
[01:11] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[01:12] <Linux_Galore> I use xfs on everything, works fine and is pretty fast and stable
[01:12] <hatta> so 600g of porn and ebooks
[01:12] <aseigo> 10mb of ebooks?
[01:12] <aseigo> ;)
[01:12] <dwidmann> hahahahaha
[01:12] <deth-of-rats> lol... nah.. its at a school...
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: might want to look at resierfs, thats ideal for lots of small file types
[01:13] <deth-of-rats> so about 2mb of ebooks ;)
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> reiserf*
[01:14] <dwidmann> I find reiserfs (3 at least) rather slow ... has a tendency to lag too...
[01:14] <deth-of-rats> ok.. havent had much experience with xfs... whats xfsdump?
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> yeah, reason I didnt go with reiserfs is because it has a very heavy cpu overhead compared to ext3
[01:14] <fdoving> deth-of-rats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS
[01:15] <deth-of-rats> thanks :)
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> xfs is a balance of all worlds for me
[01:15] <amir> What is the terminal typo for installing xmms?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> amir: apt-get install xmms
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> amir: sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:16] <deth-of-rats> amir: sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:16] <amir> ohh thank you, so ovbious
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> amir: amarok is way better though than xmms
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> amir: amarok will organise you play lists talk to your mp3 player and even get podcasts and allot you to buy music on line
[01:18] <deth-of-rats> xfs sounds tasty from what i read on the wiki.. going to try it now :)
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> allow*
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: its very mature too
[01:19] <deth-of-rats> cool.. thanks for your help :)
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> nice bit of gatesism in that article
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> ZFS is a 128-bit file system, which means it can store 18 billion billion (18.4  1018) times more data than current 64-bit systems. The limitations of ZFS are designed to be so large that they will never be encountered in practice.
[01:23] <deth-of-rats> actually.... after reading the wiki on xfs.. im thinking of rebuilding my kubuntu install on my laptop... going from jfs to xfs
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> Daisuke_Ido: bit out of date too
[01:23] <swanfl> why are you considering xfs over jfs?
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> only thing that pisses me of about the kubuntu installer is there is simple way of selecting XFS as your prefered file system
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> is no simple*
[01:24] <deth-of-rats> sounds interesting... see if theres a speed/performance increase... i have lost data after a crash on jfs
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> won't it only let you put / on an ext3 filesystems?
[01:24] <swanfl> thanks for clarifying
[01:24] <becky_> Does anyone know how to execute a .jar file from the terminal please?
[01:24] <amir> !surround
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <swanfl> I think it's java then the filename
[01:25] <deth-of-rats> Linux_galore: i thought the installer had it sitting there?
[01:25] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: use the alternate install cd...
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: nope, not on my last install, had to manually do it
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> what would you recommend for id3 tag editing?  easytag and cowbell are not options :\
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: why not on the desktop version, you have an advanced section with bugger all advanced features
[01:27] <hatta> Daisuke_Ido, why not?
[01:27] <deth-of-rats> rats.... thought it had an xfs option sitting under jfs
[01:27] <hatta> I struggle to imagine how easytag could be lacking
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> absolute nonintuitive interface
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> and
[01:27] <hatta> amarok has a tag editor, it's ..ok
[01:28] <hatta> really?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> it writes to id3v3.5
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> id3v2.4
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> helps if my fingers are in the right spot.
[01:28] <hatta> I love easytags interface
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> and my mp3 player won't read 2.4 tags, it lumps any file with them into "unknown"
[01:28] <swanfl> Jucato, is it true I will have to wait for feisty fawn for an upgrade to open office?
[01:29] <hatta> sounds like a problem with your mp3 player, not easytag
[01:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: something to do with the version of QtParted used in the installer, which doesn't support those filesystems...
[01:29] <Jucato> and yes, it's a known fact that the partitioner is a tad sucky...
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> hatta: i'm not saying that easytag isn't good.  it just isn't right for me.
[01:29] <Jucato> swanfl: that I don't know...
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> because it does write 2.4, and i can't use that.
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that's why i'm asking
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: why dont they just nick diskdrake, its GPL
[01:30] <iLLf8d> hey all is there a way to turn on an ident response in konversation?
[01:30] <hatta> tried using amarok's tag editor?
[01:30] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: is it also available for Debian systems?
[01:30] <swanfl> ok, I ask, and not to whine, but I have reported a bug and many have posted agreement to it, and there's been no movement on open office
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: get the source and package it
[01:30] <swanfl> and they are up to 2.1
[01:30] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: who
[01:31] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: who's going to do it? you? that's great! :P
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> hatta: it's okay.  the biggest thing for me is that i tag full albums, and right now about the only thing that works is ultra tag editor running under wine.
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> good freedb integration is a must.
[01:31] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: from mandriva, you can even get the src rpm and just unpack the thing from any of the repo's
[01:31] <deth-of-rats> Linux_Galore: the dapper installer has xfs in the partition creating section... im gonna give it a try now
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> deth-of-rats: wasnt there the last time I looked in dapper
[01:32] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: don't tell that to me. I'm not a packager.
[01:32] <BluesKaj> this is very frustrating , a program exists , it opens when i type it in the terminal but it can't be found when i try to remove it ...it was installed in the command line ... any suggestions ?
[01:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: how did you install it?
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: so dpkg -r  doesnt work ?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> the normal command line tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2
[01:33] <deth-of-rats> Linux_Galore: no worries... just thought id let you know :)
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: tar isnt a standard install
[01:33] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you installed from source code
[01:34] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: unless the guy who created the tar source install has an uninstaller script your screwed
[01:34] <amir> How do I get my surround 5.1 to work?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> it resides in usr/local/bin
[01:35] <Jucato> BluesKaj: did you keep the folder where you ran "make" and "make install"?
[01:35] <BluesKaj> it works , I just want to install anewer version
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: run  sudo updatedb  then do a "locate app_name"  then just delete it all
[01:35] <swanfl> Jucato, my wife found some RPM's of open office 2.1. if I alien them to create debs, and install them using dpkg, will I have to uninstall the old version 1st?
[01:35] <Jucato> swanfl: most probably, yes
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: when you install the enw version it should overwrite the old version
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> new*
[01:36] <swanfl> ok, how will that affect apt when I run update and dist-upgrade?
[01:36] <BluesKaj> Linux_Galore, it doesn't overwrite the older version
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: then just delete the old binary file then
[01:37] <BluesKaj> it won't delete ...no permission
[01:37] <Jucato> BluesKaj: if you kept (didn't delete) the folder where you ran "make install", you could try running "make uninstall" there
[01:37] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: sudo rm  /path/to/binary
[01:37] <swanfl> do it as root, BluesKaj
[01:41] <BTR_> Sorry i got disc. Did anyone answer my question?
[01:42] <dvheumen> hey guys, I'm currently using knetworkmanager for my wired/wireless connections. Is there an easy way to switch to a static IP address in case I'm in a different location and I have to quickly change my settings? (for testing a connection i.e.)
[01:44] <dvheumen> let me rephrase, what is the easiest way to change from dhcp to static ip or the other way around. I don't care if it's cli based, as long as I know what is easiest :P
[01:45] <BluesKaj> very strange ...I can see the program and files yet the terminal says it's not installed
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: because the app isnt in your path
[01:45] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you can't uninstall using apt-get or dpkg something you installed by compiling source
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: type echo $PATH
[01:46] <BluesKaj> can't even delete using root
[01:46] <BluesKaj> as root rather
[01:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: depends if checkinstall was used :)
[01:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I don't consider that installing from source... coz you end up with a .deb :P
[01:47] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: you can delete anything as root, I dare say your doing it wrong
[01:47] <BluesKaj> no kidding ;)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Jucato: you also end up with .deb when building packages :) also if you use apt-get source -b packagename you can remove it with apt-get. if you use make install you can use make uninstall (or something like that)
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: rm   wont remove a directory only a file, often apps creata a "directory" that they reside in, you need to use sudo rm -rf /path/to/directory
[01:48] <BTR_> how do i update to Feisty herd?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> fdoving: you around?
[01:48] <gnomefreak> stdin: you try not to
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: also use your tab key when typing that way you dont have path typo errors
[01:48] <gnomefreak> oops
[01:48] <gnomefreak> BTR_: you try not to
[01:49] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yep, but not when you just use plain make install.. in which case apt won't see the installed probgram
[01:49] <gnomefreak> correct
[01:49] <fdoving> gnomefreak: yes. but i should be asleep long time ago.
[01:49] <gnomefreak> fdoving: what is the update notifier in kubuntu?
[01:50] <Jucato> gnomefreak: adept_notifier
[01:50] <gnomefreak> the name? and whos package it is
[01:50] <gnomefreak> oh god no
[01:50] <Jucato> :P
[01:50] <gnomefreak> i forgot about that
[01:50] <gnomefreak> it tells the wrong amount of updates ;)
[01:50] <fdoving> gnomefreak: adept-notifier?
[01:50] <Jucato> gnomefreak: adept_notifier, adept_updater, adept_installer, adept_manager... take a guess who's packages they are :P
[01:50] <gnomefreak> notifier
[01:51] <gnomefreak> it tells me there is 1 update but its held back doesnt it mark packages as held back so the notifier would say 0 packages?
[01:51] <bianconeri> Hello, I have this weird problem, I am running kubuntu (edgy)...suddenly when I run konqueror I don't see any files when going to root except for /media /home and a weird new directory called /%{prefix} ....later I discover all the regular directories are hidden, despite that there is no (.) before them...its not a big deal I could always unhide...its just alarming...is there something wrong with the system??
[01:51] <Alter-Ego> is there a way to remove kde wallet from the system
[01:51] <Jucato> um no... it doesn't, afaik
[01:52] <bianconeri> Thanks in advance :)
[01:52] <Raven301> Philip5: you here?
[01:52] <fdoving> !hidden | bianconeri
[01:52] <ubotu> bianconeri: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[01:52] <Jucato> gah fdoving beat me...
[01:52] <Alter-Ego> ! wallet
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wallet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <bianconeri> oooh so this happened after one of my updates
[01:52] <fdoving> bianconeri: as a note, the 'feature' has later been removed, and will not be there in the next release.
[01:52] <bianconeri> ?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> kwallet will remove alot of other things iirc
[01:53] <bianconeri> ok what is /prefix??
[01:53] <Alter-Ego> can you get it from wanting to store passwords for every thing ?
[01:53] <Alter-Ego> i have removed kwallet but the service still hangs around
[01:53] <Jucato> Alter-Ego: there's an option to uncheck the [ ]  Enable the KDE Wallet subsystem
[01:54] <fdoving> now i'll leave for real, got my QT hacking problem sorted. nite.
[01:54] <Jucato> night fdoving! sweet dreams!
[01:55] <gnomefreak> night fdoving
[01:55] <Jucato> bianconeri: the hidden filesystem is basically a "feature" of Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft, soon to be gone in Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn
[01:55] <unix_infidel> quick question, why is the ubuntu website registered as .com
[01:55] <gnomefreak> grrrrrr i kind of liked it
[01:56] <Theory> will there be a second H release, or is it being skipped?
[01:56] <bianconeri> Thanx guys....its not really unconvienient it was just kinda alarming
[01:56] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: isnt com == community?
[01:56] <Jucato> gnomefreak: heh no :P
[01:56] <gnomefreak> but thats what canonical decided on
[01:56] <Jucato> com == commercial, afaik
[01:56] <unix_infidel> gnomefreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.com
[01:56] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: it was a joke
[01:56] <Jucato> oh
[01:56] <Jucato> lol
[01:57] <unix_infidel> indeed...laff.
[01:57] <unix_infidel> :)
[01:57] <bianconeri> com is comercial but its the first thing that comes into mind...
[01:57] <weyer> hi
[01:57] <Jucato> gnomefreak: about /.hidden... maybe you can still have that file and it will work in feisty? or they will (un)patch konqueror not to support it
[01:58] <weyer> can anybody point me to a noob-usable kubuntu install guide? a friend of mine wants to install it, but i'm only familiar with gentoo
[01:58] <unix_infidel> Unknown interrupt or fault at EIP 00000060 c0100295 00000294
[01:58] <gnomefreak> not sure i have to find time to play with it. but there is also dolphin that i can use but again i havent played with that too much either
[01:58] <weyer> and i don't have the time to do it for him
[01:58] <unix_infidel> getting this error with 6.10 in vmware server 1.0
[01:58] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ew... :P
[01:58] <dvheumen> anyone?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> Jucato: dont like dolphin?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:58] <BTR_> Hi, im installing Gnome via Adept Manager, but it has hanged at 40% for quite some time now, how do i restart the installation?
[01:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: not much... it's nice and small.. too small...
[01:59] <gnomefreak> it remionds me of nautilus
[01:59] <gnomefreak> only lighter
[01:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: exactly!
[01:59] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:59] <Jucato> dolphin == water animal == nautilus... see the connection? :P
[01:59] <unix_infidel> I've googled and it has somethign to do with a kernel flag and acpi, so i've altered the grub kernel line, with any help.  Anyone with some insight on the problem.
[01:59] <gnomefreak> BTR_: stop it and rerun it
[01:59] <unix_infidel> I believe it has something to do with Laptop pM chips but i cant seem to resolve the isseue.
[01:59] <Jucato> but at least nautilus can do tabs....
[01:59] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yep ;)
[02:02] <BTR_> gnomefreak: Now it wont start:( should i try to use apt-get install gnome-desktop instead?
[02:02] <unix_infidel> I dont quite understand the forum discussion as the kernel shouldnt have anything to do with the vmware virtualized hardware.
[02:02] <gnomefreak> BTR_: why not install ubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <BTR_> gnomefreak: thats what i was looking for:p
[02:02] <gnomefreak> BTR_: without errors i cant tell you why its failing
[02:03] <gnomefreak> BTR_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:03] <BTR_> gnomefreak: It doesnt give me any errors
[02:03] <gnomefreak> or aptitude -R install ubuntu-desktop ;)
[02:03] <gnomefreak> BTR_: it may not show them but they might be in a log file for adept. i dont use adept unless testing something for someone :(
[02:04] <BluesKaj> wow, this is really a pereisistent problem , this %^$#@ thing just won't go away !
[02:04] <BTR_> gnomefreak: i get this error in Konsole when doing the apt-get thingey
[02:04] <BTR_> E: Kunne ikke opn lsen /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:04] <BTR_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> close adpet
[02:04] <gnomefreak> adept*
[02:05] <BTR_> gnomefreak: how? its not showing with the other open apps
[02:05] <gnomefreak> BTR_: what do you have open?
[02:05] <Jucato> !adept crash fix
[02:05] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:05] <gnomefreak> Jucato: this is known issue isnt it
[02:05] <gnomefreak> i was just thinking about that fact
[02:06] <gnomefreak> BTR_: please read the above
[02:06] <Jucato> gnomefreak: which is a known issue? Adept being inadept and sucky? yes it is. :P
[02:06] <BTR_> Im trying it right now
[02:06] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: fix anything == shut it off till you can think level headed without it making you want to throw out the window
[02:07] <gnomefreak> Jucato: ;)
[02:07] <gnomefreak> the dpkg lock adept crash
[02:07] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ah no... adept doesn't crash that much... but that factoid is equally useful when you interrupted adept or apt-get and getting a database locked error message :P
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i dont have that issue if i interupt apt-get
[02:08] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:09] <Philip5> Raven301: yes, kinda
[02:09] <BTR_> Now its setting up a lot of things in the console, after i killed the adept. is it becourse adept is picking up where i left?
[02:09] <Philip5> Raven301: what's up?
[02:10] <dvheumen> what's the easiest way of setting a static ip address, without breaking network-manager? (it' s mostly for temporary testing)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> BTR_: maybe.
[02:10] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, sometimes there 's just "too much" input here and it gets confusing for me due to the variety of answers  :)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i know that feeling all too well
[02:10] <BTR_> gnomefreak:  now it hanged again:(
[02:11] <gnomefreak> BTR_: close adept and never open it again ;)
[02:11] <adaptr> dvheumen: in the network interface dialog
[02:11] <gnomefreak> BTR_: ask most people that use it it lacks alot of features and often has issues
[02:11] <BTR_> Is it realy that bad?
[02:11] <dvheumen> adaptr: where can I find this dialog? in kcontrol?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> BTR_: for me it was
[02:11] <adaptr> dvheumen: you don
[02:12] <adaptr> 't have the Networking panel ?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> but i did manage to get rid of the offending persistent program which i think i can now upgrade
[02:12] <gnomefreak> BTR_: some people like it but after using synaptic it got over the adept sucks now its just whats adept ;)
[02:12] <Raven301> Philip5: pm please about build debs
[02:12] <Raven301> Philip5: quick ?
[02:12] <Philip5> oki
[02:12] <kyle_> Hey there
[02:13] <adaptr> I'm on my way of making it...
[02:13] <dvheumen> adaptr: you mean in knetworkmanager or where exactly?
[02:13] <kyle_> I have a quick question.  I've had a little advice on this and want to see if anyone has any other suggestions.
[02:13] <BTR_> gnomefreak: oh this sucks, i had to kill at again but then it just started again setting up stuffs - now its stuck again:(
[02:13] <adaptr> dvheumen: System -> Administration -> Networking, or you can start it from a console with "network-admin"
[02:14] <kyle_> It used to be when I put a music cd in the drive the folder showed the .wave contents as well as some neat mp3/ogg/etc folders.  Now it shows nothing on the cd.  Data cd/dvds still work.
[02:14] <BTR_> gnomefreak: Is it possible a reboot might work? does it kill the adept thing?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> BTR_: sounds like its a memory/adept issue
[02:14] <gnomefreak> BTR_: try it
[02:14] <adaptr> BTR_: as long as the package database is in an unstable state, rebooting won't solve anything
[02:15] <kyle_> I tried renaming .kde and seeing if it was some configuration problem and it didn't help.  I tested and found i can stil rip files off of a cd, but sometimes i have to change to "hdc" instead of "cd0".  If anyone has a suggestion please let me know.
[02:15] <BTR_> adaptr: How can i then solve this?
[02:15] <adaptr> BTR_: you really need to run apt-get check, or delve deeper into dpkg
[02:15] <gnomefreak> i say kill -9 PID
[02:15] <BTR_> adaptr: But i cant, as soon as the service is killed its starts again right away
[02:16] <dvheumen> adaptr: nope sorry, don't have it. I'm trying to find it in adept though. I've done a minimalistic install because I hate the loads of apps I'm never going to use
[02:16] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[02:16] <gnomefreak> BTR_: when its open can you uncheck the packages you wanted to install
[02:17] <gnomefreak> BTR_: see if it finishes removing/installing them that way
[02:17] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:18] <genii> weird... were there two Edgy releases, one with dash as default shell and another with bash? I have 2 clean installs from iso made at different times and one has bash, one has dash
[02:19] <genii> Later iso d/l seems to be the bash one
[02:19] <deth-of-rats> Linux_Galore: tried using xfs from the dapper install... installer crashes at the end :(
[02:20] <Jucato> won't happen...
[02:20] <dvheumen> tnx going to search for it ;)
[02:20] <dvheumen> bye
[02:20] <Jucato> !dash | genii
[02:20] <ubotu> genii: /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[02:21] <Jucato> genii: the "point release" (6.06.1) seems to be only for LTS releases
[02:21] <BluesKaj> well, i managed to install the latest version of DeVeDe (2.9)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> genii: dash is used by system not you. your default has always been bash
[02:22] <gnomefreak> and dapper uses bash as default for both system and user
[02:22] <BluesKaj> however , the audio in avi files is still nothing but digital hash ...sounds like white noise ...anyone encounter this problem ?
[02:23] <Jucato> er.. don't delete .kde
[02:23] <gnomefreak> Jucato: why not its only settings ;)
[02:23] <Jucato> gnomefreak: also some data
[02:23] <gnomefreak> it gets re made when restart
[02:23] <Jucato> mail, feeds, and others
[02:24] <Jucato> logs too
[02:24] <gnomefreak> ah see i dont use kmail for mail
[02:24] <genii> gnomefreak Interesting
[02:24] <BluesKaj> does anyone here use VLC for converting video files ?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> genii: you can change either you like to what you like
[02:24] <Jucato> gnomefreak: but seriously, it might make more sense to actually rename/move ~/.kde than to delete it completely
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Jucato: true
[02:25] <nalioth> BluesKaj: try mencoder or transcode
[02:25] <gnomefreak> Jucato: its always better to move/rename than delete but i never worry about it cause im using a bunch of different desktops for different things
[02:26] <Jucato> gnomefreak: your call :)
[02:26] <Jucato> I'm just saying that ~/.kde holds more than settings :)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Jucato: it holds everything kde related
[02:26] <BluesKaj> mencoder seems to only for dvd
[02:26] <BluesKaj> work
[02:27] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: mencoder should work on most video files (ubuntus mplayer includes mencoder) is the reason i would think that
[02:27] <unix_infidel> Is anyone here running Edgy 6.10 in vmware Server 1.0?
[02:27] <unix_infidel> I'm getting a Unknown interrupt or fault at EIP when booting.
[02:27] <BluesKaj> not real good with the command line stuff , gnomefreak :(
[02:28] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: not until i can find out how to change the type of ram the mb uses without replacing mb
[02:29] <unix_infidel> gnomefreak: pc100?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: no
[02:29] <Jucato> wth?!?! US$ 300?!?!
[02:29] <gnomefreak> pc800
[02:29] <gnomefreak> its rdram
[02:29] <Jucato> DDR2 ?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> or something like that
[02:29] <unix_infidel> ahh, i would just get another desktop.
[02:29] <gnomefreak> unix_infidel: its cheaper
[02:29] <unix_infidel> for 300 USD you can get a NICE desktop.;
[02:30] <acemo> ofcource, that depends what u call nice
[02:30] <unix_infidel> am2, 1GB, 200GB or so HD.
[02:30] <marcus_> Okay I instaled compiz and it didn't crash so how can i access the control for it?
[02:30] <BTR> Now with all the problems, and trying to use Synaptic instead i get "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. ". When i try the dpkg it just still hangs with the adept:(
[02:30] <foob> what app can let me write html as if i'm writing a text file? ie, i dont have to say <b>this is bold</b> and use all those html tags. i can treat it more like a word processor and hit ctrl+b to turn on bold. but i want the format to be in perfect html (not the ugly word processor style exported html like ms office does)
[02:31] <Jucato> foob: Quanta, Nvu
[02:31] <marcus_> !compiz
[02:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:31] <gnomefreak> BTR: did you get ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:32] <unix_infidel> ewww @ quanta
[02:32] <BTR> gnomefreak: Now, its still in the installing phase,
[02:32] <BTR> wtf now it just got on with the installing:D
[02:32] <Jucato> unix_infidel: any other KDE-app recommendation?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> BTR: when its done boot into it and we will see what we can do to fix adept
[02:32] <foob> thanks jucato, nvu is what i was tryin to remember all day
[02:32] <unix_infidel> Jucato: well nvu isnt kde specific, and its nice, i prefer bluefish.
[02:33] <unix_infidel> or better yet dreamweaver
[02:33] <BTR> gnomefreak: Sounds nice, i'll return to you all, later!
[02:33] <Jucato> unix_infidel: well, I was asking you for something KDE specific... to be able to make use of KDE stuff (kparts and kio)
[02:33] <BTR> although it gave an error at the following packet:
[02:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i dont run a lot of kde stuff anymore.
[02:34] <BTR> Stter binfmt-support (1.2.8) op...
[02:34] <BTR> update-binfmts: warning: /usr/share/binfmts/cli: no executable /usr/bin/cli
[02:34] <BTR> found, but continuing anyway as you request
[02:34] <BTR>  * Enabling additional executable binary formats binfmt-support          [ ok ] 
[02:34] <gnomefreak> BTR: i might not be here so once you get into gnome run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:34] <BTR> Does that error mather to anything?
[02:34] <BTR> gnomefreak: I will:)
[02:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: ok. I'll presume then that you don't know... until then, I have to stick to Quanta
[02:34] <Jucato> but yeah, Quanta could use a really good WYSIWYG...
[02:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: don't know...what?
[02:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: KDE web editor alternatives
[02:35] <unix_infidel> Oh, no I thought the question was KDE specific.
[02:35] <unix_infidel> wasnt*
[02:36] <Jucato> unix_infidel: it was...<Jucato> unix_infidel: any other KDE-app recommendation?
[02:36] <Jucato> thanks anyway
[02:37] <unix_infidel> Jucato: I was referring to foob's question :)
[02:37] <unix_infidel> I prefer dreamweaver or vim.
[02:37] <Jucato> unix_infidel: ok... I was asking you another... nvm
[02:37] <unix_infidel> Both of which can be run on windows or linux.
[02:38] <Jucato> dreamweaver is open source now?
[02:38] <unix_infidel> cxoffice.
[02:38] <Jucato> ok...
[02:38] <unix_infidel> Aptana is also VERY VERY good IDE>
[02:38] <acemo> dreamweaver open source? oO
[02:38] <gnomefreak> acemo: no
[02:39] <gnomefreak> never will happen
[02:39] <unix_infidel> There's no reason to, there are more capable editors our there.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> hell cxoffice is closed source
[02:40] <unix_infidel> Anyone for my interrupt question with vmware?
[02:41] <unix_infidel> Google results 1 hit in the forums without any functional solution.
[02:43] <deth-of-rats> is there any reason i cant use the xfs file system for booting off?
[02:51] <freeride> !botsnack
[02:51] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:52] <freeride> hehe
[02:52] <acemo> someone should buy microsoft and make directx opensource
[02:54] <flaccid> qhy
[02:54] <flaccid> why not just get rid of it?
[02:55] <acemo> hmm
[02:55] <acemo> that would be good too
[02:55] <deth-of-rats> sorry,  ihad connection issues... does anyone know why i cant use xfs as the boot partition?
[02:57] <marcus_> !usplash
[02:57] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[02:59] <fnord_> trying to setup a linksys wireless g router,some help with the setup would be nice,like what packages i have to install or whatever
[03:01] <fnord_> also i have a small philips  20$ webcam form wall mart that i need help with
[03:02] <OrangeLady_> Hello there! I've got a problem with real transparency in yakuake. konsole works fine. Kubuntu edgy, geforce fx 5200, binary nvidia-glx driver from repo, no compiz or beryl
[03:02] <OrangeLady_> At first, the background is transparent, as supposed to, but after the second F12, transparency is off
[03:02] <I_Eat_Plastic> !bluetooth
[03:02] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[03:03] <OrangeLady_> does anybody know this problem?
[03:03] <zeek> is anybody using XGL?
[03:03] <dope> can you share a networked folder between a linux and windows computer?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> dope , yes , but what do you mean a "networked" folder ?
[03:07] <SolykZ> Bonsoir =)
[03:07] <dope> like a shared folder on a windows machine.  how would i be able to access it on a linux machine
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:07] <dope> and is there a way to have a folder on linux show up as a networked folder in windows
[03:07] <BluesKaj> you have setup your network with samba
[03:07] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:08] <flaccid> krusader restores session, wicked
[03:08] <marcus_> what does it mean no composite extension and where can i get one?
[03:08] <dope> no i haven't used samba
[03:08] <dope> not really sure what it is
[03:09] <SolykZ> I'd like to join the ubuntu-fr channel... However, when i want to connect to #ubuntu-fr, i'm redirected here... why ?
[03:09] <marcus_> !composite extension
[03:10] <marcus_> hmmmm
[03:11] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: where do you get this error?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> samba is a program which lets you connect to a windows pc thru your home network , assuming you have the pcs aconnected to one another in some way , such as a router or netserver
[03:11] <BluesKaj> !samba
[03:11] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:13] <OrangeLady_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[03:14] <flaccid> samba is not windows dependant
[03:15] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: composite managers are used for 3d and accelerated graphics effects
[03:15] <m4jqp> how do i install an older version of a package?
[03:15] <flaccid> and you don't need a router. wtf is a netserver? :)
[03:15] <flaccid> m4jqp: download the .deb and install by cli or gui
[03:16] <m4jqp> flaccid, thx
[03:17] <OrangeLady_> does anybody else use yakuake with real transparency?
[03:18] <marcus_> orangelady_: I am missing a component for compiz which I think is aiglx. trying to figure it all out.
[03:18] <flaccid> np
[03:19] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: for compiz you need either xgl or aiglx
[03:19] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: do you understand german?
[03:20] <marcus_> OrangeLady_: I installed xgl from repositories, but not exactly working. no i dont speak german.
[03:21] <OrangeLady_> what kind of graphic card do you have and which kubuntu release are you using?
[03:21] <marcus_> OrangeLady_: I have a intel 945 and am using 6.06.
[03:22] <dope> if i have a linux box with a card reader and i have a linux box without one is there a way to use the card reader from the other computer through the network
[03:24] <zeek> does anyone know a nice how to page to get xgl running on my kubuntu 6.10 nvidia box?
[03:26] <BluesKaj> zeek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:27] <Jucato> zeek: the topic in #ubuntu-xgl has some pages
[03:28] <dope> http://www.enzopanini.com/kitty/
[03:29] <marcus_> yay beryk works hehehe
[03:29] <TheDebugger> zeek: You want beryl
[03:29] <marcus_> *beryl too
[03:29] <TheDebugger> zeek: And on 6.10, you want AIGLX, not GLX
[03:30] <hamiii> Original problem was dhclient ath0 doesn't return a lease. I can iwlist ath0 scan and see 3 access points but iwconfig ath0 ap address followed by iwconfig shows no access point associated.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> beryl sucks :)
[03:30] <hamiii> What next?
[03:32] <dope> is there a file that'll execute everytime kubuntu starts up so i can execute commands like starting a apache server?
[03:33] <TheDebugger> ~/.kde/Autostart/ You can put scripts in that folder
[03:33] <hamiii> If you install apache it should start when you boot
[03:33] <dope> bash scripts?
[03:34] <hamiii> dope have you already install apache?
[03:34] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: According to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX, it sounds like aiglx is the better choice for your graphic card
[03:34] <dope> i have xampp
[03:35] <zeek> thanx for the info, I was afk
[03:35] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: you find installation instructions there, too
[03:36] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: edgy does have aiglx per default, though, so if there is no big reason to stick to dapper, upgrade to edgy
[03:36] <hamiii> dope look at inetd it will let xampp start when someone connects to the port
[03:37] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: and there's also beryl, which seems to be used more right now
[03:37] <OrangeLady_> marcus_: why do you need compiz, anyway?
[03:37] <dope> i just want it to autostart
[03:39] <hamiii> dope: then the correct way is to add a scipt the /etc/init.d and then put a link for the correct runlevel
[03:39] <OrangeLady_> anybody using yakuake with real transparency?
[03:41] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: there's a #yakuake channel btw
[03:41] <OrangeLady_> jucato: i know, i am there, too, but no luck
[03:41] <Jucato> just your luck that Sho, the current maintainer, is sleeping :)
[03:44] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well actually he answered me once, told me to click "save as default", i told him, that i already did, and no answer so far...
[03:44] <OrangeLady_> jucato: i didn't even know, he's the maintainer
[03:44] <Jucato> hm... where were you able to get "real" transparency for yakuake anyway... real transparency shows everything beneath it, including windows
[03:46] <OrangeLady_> jucato: yes, it's real transparency, as you can see here: http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yakuake1stkr6.png
[03:47] <OrangeLady_> jucato: how i did this? just enabled transparency in kde (kompmgr is installed by defauld in edgy) after installing nvidia-glx drivers
[03:48] <Jucato> aaaah
[03:48] <Jucato> you're using kompmgr then
[03:48] <OrangeLady_> right
[03:48] <Jucato> didn't mention that tidbit earlier :P
[03:49] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well, actually i didn't know it back then...  :|
[03:49] <Jucato> hm... ok... without kompmgr, do you still get pseudo-transparency in other yakuake tabs other than the first one?
[03:50] <OrangeLady_> yes, that's the setup i used before using kompmgr
[03:50] <Jucato> so this only happened when you started using kompmgr?
[03:51] <OrangeLady_> yes, i changed the color-scheme to black on white, and in konsole i get real transparency without any problems
[03:53] <OrangeLady_> when starting yakuake for the first time, it's also transparent. But after it slides up and I do F12 (which brings it back down again), transparency is gone
[03:53] <dave_> [13:43]  <soulrider> i think i gonna have to install windou$
[03:54] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: hm.. let me try to install yakuake
[03:55] <james> can someone foward the link to the drapper to edgy upgrade tutorial
[03:55] <Jucato> !upgrade | james
[03:55] <ubotu> james: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:55] <james> cheers
[03:55] <OrangeLady_> jucato: that's cool, thanx
[03:57] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: what schema are you using for Yakuake?
[03:57] <genii> Does anyone know of a text-to-speech port? eg: Festival or similar
[03:57] <Jucato> !kttsd | genii
[03:57] <ubotu> kttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1925 kB, installed size 3940 kB
[03:57] <genii> Jucato Thx :)
[03:58] <OrangeLady_> jucato: do you color-schema?
[03:58] <OrangeLady_> jucato: *mean color-schema...
[03:58] <foob> where do i store options for xterm configuration?
[03:58] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: the one that you have selected in right-click -> Settngs -> Schema in Yakuake
[03:59] <genii> foob .startx or .Xsession
[03:59] <Jucato> xterm?
[03:59] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well, i have a german desktop, so it's a little different, but i guess, it's black on white
[04:00] <genii> Jucato Yeah you can add your xterm options to .Xsession
[04:00] <Jucato> ah...
[04:00] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: heh I couldn't even get it transparent at all :P
[04:00] <OrangeLady_> jucato: are you using kompmgr, too?
[04:00] <Jucato> yep
[04:01] <OrangeLady_> jucato: well then, you'll have to call up your windows menu first
[04:01] <genii> foob What sort of options are you trying to preserve?
[04:01] <foob> font size
[04:01] <premier> why cant I join the #java channel? It says I have to be intentified
[04:02] <premier> how do I identify myself?
[04:02] <Jucato> premier: you have to register your nick
[04:02] <foob> cuz #java are jerks :P?
[04:02] <Jucato> !register | premier
[04:02] <ubotu> premier: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:02] <premier> I am registered
[04:02] <genii> foob So long as it has a viable xterm command option it should work.
[04:02] <james> nickserv identify?
[04:02] <Jucato> premier: have you identified?
[04:02] <premier> no, I was never told how
[04:03] <OrangeLady_> jucato: you can do that by either right clicking on the title bar, or a keyboard shortcut, depending on your kde setup it might be alt+f3 or alt+menu
[04:03] <genii> premier    /msg nickserv identify <password>
[04:03] <Jucato> premier: /msg nickeserv identify <password>
[04:03] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: yeah, I know how to get there. thank you :)
[04:03] <Jucato> but what settings?
[04:03] <genii>    *nickserv*
[04:03] <Jucato> lol sorry... nickserv
[04:03] <Jucato> I have konversation setup to auto identify... so..
[04:04] <OrangeLady_> jucato: for just now, try opacity, you should see a slider there
[04:04] <OrangeLady_> jucato: slide it down and see, what happens
[04:05] <OrangeLady_> jucato: this is just temporary, though
[04:05] <Jucato> ah ok.. that one :P
[04:05] <Jucato> yeah it seems like a temporary solution only...
[04:05] <premier_> thanks
[04:06] <genii> Wow, this is weird... I am doing a large cp to a usb drive. On 'top' the load keeps ping-ponging from cpu0 to cpu1
[04:06] <OrangeLady_> to get it fixed, you'll have to go to ->extended(first item in the windows menu, i hope that's what it's called)  -> special ? for this program
[04:07] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: seems like Yakuake doesn't work well with kompmgr... really have to ask Sho about that....
[04:07] <premier_> genii: do you remeber all that trouble we had with my tvtuner?  have you had any new thoughts on that?
[04:07] <genii> premier_ Ah, you had the usb tuner?
[04:07] <james> premier; what's the tuner card?
[04:07] <gop> hey one question
[04:07] <gop> everytime I run apt-get or synpatec or update
[04:07] <malik_> !urdu
[04:07] <gop> I get vmplayer
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <gop> to prompt me this
[04:08] <gop> The file /etc/vmware/vmnet8/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf that this program was about to
[04:08] <gop> install already exists.  Overwrite?
[04:08] <james> hahahahha wow that's fucked
[04:08] <gop> it tries to probe
[04:08] <gop> why do I get such error
[04:08] <OrangeLady_> jucato: you're right, that's what i thought all along, i just wanted to make sure it wasn't something i missed
[04:08] <Jucato> ok..
[04:08] <malik_> !urdu fonty
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu fonty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <malik_> !urdu font
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu font - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <genii> malik_ Hangon I know this one gimme a minute
[04:09] <OrangeLady_> jucato: thanx a lot, anyways
[04:09] <n8k99> !kompmgr
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kompmgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <Jucato> OrangeLady_: no problem
[04:09] <Jucato> n8k99: it's KWin's composite manager
[04:09] <n8k99> oh right - I have had no problems with it since dapper
[04:09] <genii> malik_  ttf-paktype    is the package you want
[04:10] <n8k99> sometimes a little slow
[04:10] <Jucato> sort of...
[04:10] <Jucato> it's a bit better now in KDE 3.5.5... but still...
[04:10] <genii> !ttf-paktype | malik_
[04:11] <ubotu> ttf-paktype: PakType free OpenType Urdu fonts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0-4 (edgy), package size 341 kB, installed size 1032 kB
[04:11] <malik_> i have both......ttf-paktype as well as ttf-nafees but still alot of articles on urdupoint.com are not properly diplayed
[04:11] <n8k99> yes, but I do like how it maintains the usability of kwin
[04:11] <n8k99> or at least not damaging it too terribly, Jucato
[04:11] <Jucato> and the stability of kwin (mostly)
[04:11] <premier_> genii: sorry for the slow response... yeah I had the usb tuner
[04:11] <genii> malik_ Sorry I'm out of ideas then
[04:12] <malik_> genii: are an urdu reader?
[04:12] <malik_> genii: are you an urdu reader?
[04:12] <genii> premier_ No, no new ideas lately :(
[04:12] <genii> malik_ No, but someone else another day needed urdu fonts so I remembered there was a package for it
[04:13] <malik_> oki hanx for trying anyways
[04:13] <malik_> thanx
[04:13] <malik_> sorry my hand is bit injured
[04:13] <n8k99> I'm on a Powerbook and want to move the right button off of F12 & onto fn+option so I can use yakuake
[04:13] <malik_> bad typo
[04:13] <genii> malik_ My primary language is English, I can understand some german and some french but not for conversation much
[04:13] <n8k99> any ideas what the keynumber I need to substitute
[04:13] <malik_> mine is eng n urdu both
[04:14] <premier_> genii: oh well...  hey, when you helped me swap the capslock and backspace, you said to put the code into a file so it would start everytime x starts
[04:14] <premier_> .Xsession was the name of the file
[04:14] <premier_> ~/.Xsession
[04:14] <premier_> anyway, it wont do it
[04:14] <genii> premier_ Yeah I remember :)
[04:15] <BluesKaj> is there a capslock defeat like the windows one ?
[04:15] <premier_> I have to go in there manually everytime I restart my computer
[04:15] <genii> premier_ Well, you may have to sudo to put it there. Or does it replace each time or something?
[04:15] <premier_> "like the windows one"?
[04:15] <premier_> I had to download a program to fix mine, BluesKaj.  How did you do it?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> yup, premier_ there's a small proggy that runs on startup in windows
[04:16] <premier_> no, but I dont have to put a sudo in there when I do it manually
[04:16] <BluesKaj> check capsunlock in google
[04:17] <genii> premier_ To edit the . files I'm pretty sure you need to do something like   sudo nano    or sudo kwrite      whatever. If it writes there OK but each boot/startx wipes it you can try puttin the xmodmap command int he .startx same way
[04:18] <premier_> genii: I didnt follow that. I can edit my .Xsession file no problem... of course, I created it
[04:18] <premier_> I thought maybe I misspelled something
[04:19] <genii> premier_ No, .Xsession is right.
[04:19] <premier_> is there somewhere else i can put it?
[04:20] <premier_> It doesnt seem to "whipe it out" if that means what I think it does
[04:20] <genii> premier_ You could try in the .startx  file. It should be located in your home dir
[04:20] <gop> dam vmplayer
[04:20] <premier_> I dont have a .startx file
[04:20] <gop> The file /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases that this program was about to
[04:20] <gop> install already exists.  Overwrite? [y
[04:20] <gop> why does it keep saying this
[04:20] <gop> when I do updates
[04:21] <gop> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "start" failed.
[04:21] <gop> dpkg: error processing vmware-player (--configure):
[04:21] <gop> k I must be doing something wrong
[04:21] <genii> premier_ Well, you can create one, same as before. Then in the file put the xmodmap command
[04:22] <stdin> gop: you can try just removing that file
[04:23] <premier_> alright, hopefully that'll work
[04:23] <premier_> by the way, I fixed the repeats
[04:23] <genii> premier_ Cool
[04:23] <gop> stdin,  how
[04:23] <gop> :)
[04:23] <gop> rm -rf inovke-rc.d
[04:24] <stdin> gop: sudo rm /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases
[04:24] <genii> Anyone have an idea why cpu load keeps ping-ponging between 2 cpus? I thought smp kernel was supposed to symmetrically load the processors
[04:25] <gop> : vmware-player: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:25] <gop> thanks
[04:26] <stdin> gop: try purging the package and reinstalling
[04:26] <genii> stdin Yeah purge was my next thought
[04:26] <gop> apt-remove
[04:26] <gop>  vmplayer
[04:26] <stdin> gop: sudo apt-get --purge remove vmplayer
[04:27] <stdin> genii, if all else fails, purge it. that's my motto :)
[04:28] <genii> stdin Well otherwise it's conf files are all still around etc
[04:28] <genii> and maybe broken deps
[04:28] <stdin> shame there isn't a switch that will do the same in ~/ tho
[04:29] <genii> Anyone familiar/has done cross-compiling from i386 for ARM or similar?
[04:30] <unix_infidel> genii: i believe the debian nslug project has some documentation on that.
[04:30] <james> booyakasha jungle is massive
[04:30] <genii> unix_infidel Thanks :)
[04:30] <unix_infidel> genii: np, arm is pretty useless for the desktop though.
[04:30] <unix_infidel> so just beware if you plan on compiling a full set of packages for an arm based desktop.
[04:31] <gop> oh I installed vmplayer from the  binary from vmware.com
[04:31] <genii> unix_infidel Well, I mainly want to reprogram an ARM based DSL modem
[04:31] <unix_infidel> genii: to do what?
[04:31] <genii> unix_infidel To be a simple samba server
[04:32] <unix_infidel> genii: get a linksys nslug for that.
[04:32] <unix_infidel> there's a full debian distro for it.
[04:32] <stdin> gop: then why are you installing it from a package now then?
[04:32] <genii> Interesting
[04:32] <gop> no I mean when I do apt-get isntall anysoftware
[04:32] <gop> stdin,
[04:32] <gop> I get that prmpt
[04:32] <unix_infidel> genii: its like 20-30 b ucks.
[04:33] <gop> I then tryed to unistall using vmware-uninstall.pl
[04:33] <gop> but it still thier
[04:33] <gop> brb
[04:33] <genii> unix_infidel Is there some JTAG kit with it?
[04:33] <stdin> gop: but dpkg is trying to install vmware-player
[04:34] <unix_infidel> not sure, i thought the api was extensible.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> i'd be surprised if the hardware wasnt there on the nslug.
[04:34] <genii> unix_infidel OK I'll check it out
[04:35] <stdin> gop: try: you can
[04:35] <stdin> opps
[04:35] <genii> elinks www.nslug.org
[04:35] <genii> oooops :)
[04:35] <stdin> gop: try: apt-get --purge remove vmware-player
[04:35] <unix_infidel> genii: honestly, i dont quite understand how you're oging to do it.
[04:35] <dennister> hey kids :)
[04:35] <unix_infidel> i mean a dsl modem only has one eth0
[04:35] <gop> stdin,  I will try
[04:35] <unix_infidel> and an nslug has multiple io stuff.
[04:36] <unix_infidel> a dsdl modem doesnt compare.
[04:36] <genii> unix_infidel This is a combo wired eth0 and wlan modem. So my idea is to use it as a gatekeeper over wireless to a wired NAS
[04:36] <gop> sweet
[04:37] <gop> stdin,  it worked
[04:37] <stdin> great :)
[04:37] <unix_infidel> genii: well, why not just use a dedicated SOHO NAS like the NSLUG
[04:37] <gop> dpkg - warning: while removing vmware-player, directory `/etc/vmware' not empty so not removed."
[04:37] <dennister> I'm having trouble installing any version of ubuntu on an old Pentium II with 255MB of ram...any ideas where I can get hold of breezy?
[04:37] <gop> well worked let me see apt know
[04:37] <unix_infidel> its super cost effective for SOHO operations if you dont want to dedicated intranet system resources to that.
[04:37] <genii> unix_infidel Does it do iSCSI ?
[04:37] <stdin> gop: you can remove /etc/vmware manually, and if you want vmware again, you'll have to reinstall it
[04:38] <unix_infidel> genii: nah.  I belive its limitations are USB and ethernet
[04:38] <gop> stdin,  thanks
[04:38] <stdin> you're welcome gop
[04:38] <unix_infidel> you honestly wouldnt expect iSCSI out of a 20 dollar NAS would ya :P
[04:38] <genii> unix_infidel One can hope :)
[04:38] <gop> oh that fixed apt  error sweet
[04:39] <unix_infidel> good luck to ya, come find me once you get a setup complete, i'd be interested in mirroring your setup.
[04:39] <dennister> i mean, so far i've tried dapper i386, the alternate-install daper i386, and xubuntu dapper i386...always hangs at "Mounting root file systems"
[04:41] <stdin> dennister: don't know if breezy will work, but you can d/l it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/
[04:41] <dennister> testing lag
[04:41] <genii> unix_infidel Have you seen FreeNAS?
[04:42] <computer> i tried to download flightgear from synaptic, it's going at 3kb/sec, why is it this slow
[04:42] <Norty> Konversation shows lag at 630 ms
[04:42] <BluesKaj> 266 here
[04:42] <unix_infidel> genii: cant say that i have.
[04:42] <groman> !codecs
[04:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:42] <computer> a
[04:42] <unix_infidel> genii: honestly, i've never done extensive FBSD work.
[04:43] <genii> unix_infidel  http://ww.freenas.org    <-- embedded nas server with wireless and iSCSI
[04:43] <e1> !fbsd
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fbsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <dennister> stdin: thx! so far it's the *only* distro i've ever been able to successfully install on the PII
[04:43] <gop> is thier a way to install ipod firmware  in linux
[04:43] <e1> genii http://ww.freenas.org  don't wor
[04:43] <e1> k
[04:43] <genii> www then perhaps
[04:44] <e1> genii as in clicking ur link don't work
[04:44] <unix_infidel> genii: my requirements arent that stringent, i dont need iscsi, if i needed wireless i'd setup a dedicated NAS with a p3 and a good amount of RAM with a linux compatible wireless device.
[04:44] <genii> (I am on commandline and switching between elinks on one console and ircii on another console, no cut/paste available easily)
[04:44] <unix_infidel> genii: use screen.
[04:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, dennister ... breezy installed on an old MMX P2 233mhz box i had a while back , but it ran pretty slow
[04:45] <genii> unix_infidel Geez I forgot about screen LOL
[04:45] <stdin> dennister: that's the DVD iso I think, found the CD image here http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[04:45] <dennister> well, this is a loaner I'm trying to give some high school students with their first apartment, so they need something
[04:45] <unix_infidel> you can use its copy paste buffer.
[04:45] <genii> very cool
[04:46] <phobiac> dennister: You're installing breezy on an older computer?
[04:46] <dennister> yepper...even found some pc100 ram to buy, which was an achievement in itself
[04:46] <BluesKaj> what about ubuntu lite ...isn't there such a distro , especially for low memory and slower old pcs
[04:46] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:46] <phobiac> dennister: If it runs slow try using a window manager other than gnome
[04:47] <genii> xubuntu <-- good for older PCs
[04:47] <stdin> gop, which ipod firmware, the updates from apple?
[04:47] <noob> in edgy, do i change the boot splash resolution the same way as i do it in dapper (modify the menu.lst)?
[04:47] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: i call that ubuntu server.
[04:47] <phobiac> ^ What genii said
[04:47] <unix_infidel> and then just write a build script upon it.
[04:47] <dennister> yes, that's why i had tried xubuntu 6.06
[04:47] <BluesKaj> no previous to 6.06
[04:47] <dennister> but like i said, no dapper installation would actually install
[04:48] <unix_infidel> dennister: why not try debian or DSL?
[04:48] <dennister> previous to 6.06...that's why i was trying to find breezy?
[04:48] <phobiac> Ah, okay
[04:49] <dennister> cause these are teenagers who have no exp. with linux at all...ubuntu derivatives are good for newbies
[04:49] <dennister> and I'd be able to support them :) which i couldn't with debian
[04:50] <dennister> fvwm2?
[04:50] <genii> I think there was even some fvwm95 thing too
[04:50] <stdin> it's a window mamager
[04:50] <genii> dennister A window manager
[04:50] <genii> minimalistic but somewhat windoze-reminiscent
[04:50] <dennister> k...i figured that from the 'wm' is it feather?
[04:51] <dennister> heard good stuff about feather, but apparently it's hard to find nowadays, too, like breezy
[04:51] <unix_infidel> actuallym, its pretty decent.
[04:51] <noob> in edgy, do i change the boot splash resolution the same way as i do it in dapper (modify the menu.lst)? anyone???
[04:52] <premier_> hey, does anyone here use kopete?
[04:52] <Norty> once or twice.
[04:52] <stdin> sometimes
[04:52] <premier_> how do you get it to play a sound when someone has immed you?
[04:52] <james> yeah i do
[04:52] <premier_> or do something to get my attention
[04:52] <BluesKaj> what's kubuntu 5.10 live cd , named ?
[04:52] <phobiac> premier_: What are you using? Kopete?
[04:52] <genii> hoary
[04:52] <james> settings
[04:53] <james> notification settings
[04:53] <stdin> in kopete, go to settings "Configure Notifications"
[04:53] <premier_> kopete
[04:53] <phobiac> Read what james and stdin said.
[04:54] <james> Settings > Notification Settings
[04:54] <james> just to reitterate :p
[04:55] <phobiac> Hmm, for me it's Settings > Configure Notifications
[04:55] <james> i started upgrading to edgy, and half way through the "apt-get install -f" no sound will play
[04:55] <james> maybe we've got different versions of kopete
[04:55] <phobiac> We must
[04:55] <james> 0.11.1
[04:55] <stdin> BluesKaj: it'll be kubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso (for x86)
[04:55] <n8k99> james: you chose australian english as your default language didn't you
[04:56] <phobiac> 0.12.3
[04:56] <james> yeah
[04:56] <n8k99> james: that's the difference
[04:56] <james> oh serious?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> dennister, I have the breezy live cd. I don't remember whether it has the install to HDD option or not ...if you want i can send it to you
[04:57] <n8k99> james: yup. here in the US we _Configure Notifications_ while you chaps in Oz realize that Notifications need Configuration
[04:57] <stdin> BluesKaj: the 5.10 live cd wont have the install option, it was introduced in dapper
[04:57] <BluesKaj> ok, bummer :(
[04:57] <n8k99> james: my wife is aussie, so I have a front row seat in the subtle linguistic differences
[04:57] <jordo23> does anyone know how you switch KDM themes?
[04:57] <james> hahahahha
[04:57] <james> n8k99
[04:58] <somerville32> !offtopic
[04:58] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:58] <james> faircall somerville32 :P
[04:58] <BluesKaj> somerville32, get a life
[04:58] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:58] <n8k99> somerville32: was that addressed to us?
[04:58] <Jucato> jordo23: you can either edit config files manually, or install something like the kdmtheme app to manage them through kcontrol
[04:58] <james> i believe so
[04:58] <somerville32> Yes. Please take off-topic chatter to -offtopic please.
[04:58] <somerville32> :)
[04:59] <james> but it was on topic
[04:59] <james> we were discussing the linguistic differences between language builds
[04:59] <n8k99> I was explaining why two users had different descriptions to find identical features
[04:59] <stdin> not in the context of a support channel :p
[04:59] <james> finee :p
[05:00] <genii> Is there a Xen kernel for 6.10 ?
[05:00] <jager> ?
[05:00] <BluesKaj> does anyone have experience with avidemux converting avi to mpeg2 ?
[05:00] <lysergic> name tryptamine
[05:00] <phobiac> We were confused on why they were different, and n8k99 supported us by explaining why. :P
[05:00] <lysergic> whoops
[05:00] <lysergic> sorry XD
[05:00] <n8k99> jordo23: System Settings > Advanced > Login Manager
[05:00] <Murrlin> good evening once again
[05:01] <jager> BluesKaj: i used tovid last time i had to
[05:01] <Murrlin> man is this gonna feel silly if it's simply answered, but, I have a problem with my Adept program, an error window tells me that another instance is already running
[05:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, tovid fails half the time in my setup :(
[05:01] <stdin> genii: xen-image-xen0-2.6.17-6-generic-xen0 ?
[05:02] <Murrlin> but its not, to the best of my knowledge. What can I do?
[05:02] <tryptamine> have u checked a task manager to see if the process is running?
[05:02] <genii> stdin Thx :)
[05:02] <Murrlin> like top?
[05:02] <stdin> :)
[05:03] <tryptamine> yeah
[05:03] <stdin> Murrlin: try, sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:03] <jordo23> Jucato: How do I get this to stop listing everytime I install a new piece of software?
[05:04] <Jucato> jordo23: those are probably packages that have been left orphaned. if you're sure that they are no longer needed, you can run "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[05:04] <Murrlin> nothing shown
[05:04] <stdin> Murrlin: that should kill the process that was using the  database, try adept again now
[05:04] <Murrlin> o
[05:04] <jordo23> Jucato: That's what I thought, but it does say that it will remove 483MB of data....is this normal?
[05:05] <Jucato> jordo23: not really sure... depends on how many stuff is listed, I guess
[05:05] <Murrlin> eh I still got the popup error message
[05:05] <e1> what's the firefox extension that downloads youtube videos?
[05:05] <Jucato> just double check the listed packages and make sure nothing is very critical
[05:05] <n8k99> e1: video download or down-them-all
[05:05] <genii> Amazing Media Browser perhaps?
[05:06] <genii> e1 Down-them-all is great
[05:06] <e1> n8k99 thx alot, where could i get video download
[05:06] <e1> genii i think i installed download them all, i'll go see how i use it lol
[05:06] <n8k99> mozilla.com has all the extensions
[05:06] <BluesKaj> Jucato, autoremove is dangerous , it takes out more than just orphaned pkgs , it also dumps a lot of needed dependencies in my experience
[05:07] <stdin> Murrlin: do you get any output with "sudo ps aux grep apt" ?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> well interdependencies would be a better word
[05:07] <genii> Jucato , BluesKaj Yeah, I would use with care. Last time I pruned my sql stopped working
[05:07] <Jucato> that's why I said to double check :)
[05:08] <jordo23> Jucato: Trying to pastebin, but it is running slow....one sec
[05:08] <stdin> !pastebin | Murrlin
[05:08] <ubotu> Murrlin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:08] <Jucato> I don't use it... as I usually use aptitude with purge...
[05:08] <jordo23> Jucato:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/850726
[05:08] <Murrlin> there's nothing to paste :)
[05:08] <stdin> is that a no then?
[05:08] <Murrlin> just a konversation =caption ... line
[05:08] <Murrlin> -caption
[05:09] <stdin> hmm, strange
[05:09] <Murrlin> but thanks for the pastebin reminder :D
[05:09] <stdin> :p
[05:09] <BluesKaj> yeah , Jucato , that's a much more specific way of ridding files
[05:09] <genii> stdin perhaps | grep whatever ?
[05:09] <Murrlin> I did add the | between aux and grep
[05:09] <stdin> did I not put the pipe in?
[05:09] <n8k99> e1: try this link https://addons.mozilla.org/search.php?app=firefox&q=video&cat=5&type=E&appfilter=firefox&platform=null&date=null&sort=newest&perpage=10
[05:09] <genii> Murrlin Ah, OK :)
[05:10] <Jucato> oh wow, jordo23: DON'T autoremove
[05:10] <stdin> Murrlin: try sudo apt-get update from konsole to see if you get an error there?
[05:10] <Jucato> I guess you'll have to live with it showing... but DO NOT autoremove... :(
[05:10] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah....what's going on there?
[05:10] <stdin> jordo23: looks like kubuntu-desktop was removed or something
[05:11] <VORTEX> hello
[05:11] <jordo23> Jucato: Is there any way to solve this?
[05:11] <Jucato> yeah, did you remove kubuntu-desktop previously?
[05:11] <jordo23> Jucato: no.....
[05:11] <Jucato> can you check if it's installed?
[05:11] <e1> n8k99 thx alot for the link
[05:11] <n8k99> np
[05:11] <Murrlin> hrmmm
[05:11] <dennister> lots of time kubuntu-desktop gets removed when u try to remove or purge something else...wierd
[05:12] <VORTEX> i don't know
[05:12] <Murrlin> I get errors but not a 'in use' error
[05:12] <dennister> it's easy to miss, too, that it's being removed
[05:12] <jordo23> Jucato: I guess it was.....
[05:12] <stdin> Murrlin: is that just URL errors?
[05:12] <Murrlin> yes
[05:12] <jordo23> Jucato: What does that package do?
[05:12] <stdin> Murrlin: adept should work then??
[05:13] <Jucato> jordo23: install it again. it's just a meta-package that points to everything that is installed by default on a Kubuntu desktop.
[05:13] <Murrlin> it does
[05:13] <Murrlin> I wonder which step fixed the problem
[05:13] <jordo23> Jucato: In progress
[05:14] <VORTEX> hoy es jueves
[05:14] <stdin> Murrlin: maybe it was the fuser cammend, but adept took it's time to realise :p
[05:14] <stdin> *command
[05:14] <Murrlin> heh quite odd
[05:14] <genii> There should be some --really-force  remove for kubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <Murrlin> thank you for the helps
[05:14] <stdin> np Murrlin, glad it works now :)
[05:14] <Murrlin> as am I
[05:16] <Agent_86> hello
[05:16] <Agent_86> stupid easy question i hope
[05:16] <Murrlin> cat cookies | stdin
[05:16] <stdin> Yum!
[05:16] <stdin> :p
[05:16] <Murrlin> teehee
[05:16] <genii> !botsnack
[05:16] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:16] <Agent_86> is it possible to get an ipod to use usb 2.0 with kubuntu?
[05:17] <dennister> k, i have some questions in regards to dsl, dry/dsl, voip...can anyone fill me in on some basics?
[05:17] <genii> dennister I can perhaps give you some info. I work at an ISP that supplies DSL on dry copper
[05:18] <TheDebugger> Agent_86: It doesn't use it?
[05:18] <Agent_86> in kinfocenter it will only put it on usb 1
[05:18] <dennister> genii: wonderful... i understood everything u wrote except what 'dry copper' means?
[05:18] <Agent_86> but it shows a usb 2 controller
[05:19] <genii> dennister "dry copper" or "dry line" is a telephone line with no telephone service on it but you can still put an internet connection eg: DSL on it
[05:19] <Agent_86> and it is the 5g video ipod
[05:19] <dennister> wonderful...i'll be moving in a month and want to dump both bell canada's traditional landline account, as well as the cable ISP account
[05:20] <kai> wasup people
[05:20] <genii> dennister Ma Bell still charges upstream providers like Vonage etc a "maintainance fee" for dry lines, typically about $10 a month
[05:20] <Agent_86> weird eh?
[05:21] <kai> Does linux offer anyhting that will let me throttle my downstream bandwith on anycomputer?
[05:21] <dennister> that's what i've been using for years...cable modem for broadband internet (no modem, only nic in the computer boxes), together with a d-link wireless 4-pt router
[05:21] <Murrlin> ttfn.
[05:21] <dennister> so i guess I'll need a dsl modem, right?
[05:22] <genii> dennister Yeah, make sure you get one that is not USB only. eg: rj45
[05:22] <BluesKaj> just use a dsl router , cat 5 style
[05:22] <premier_> hey, even though Ive turned off automatic screen savers I keep get the x windows screen saver when I watch a movie.  Whats the deal?
[05:23] <dennister> so this dlink 624 will be useless, right?
[05:23] <BluesKaj> what kind of ports ?
[05:23] <e1> does anyone know why all of a sudden my synaptic is downloading at 200 BYTES per second, sooooo slow, actually i doubt it's downloading, i'm trying to get flightgear from synaptic
[05:23] <genii> dennister I'm not familiar with that model. If it has a physical LAN plug should be OK. If USB only then no good
[05:24] <tek_> Hello everyone... anyone have any experience with getting treo's to sync with kontact?
[05:24] <dennister> it's physical lan...thing is, i won't even need a router probably, cause i'll be living alone without my son and his pc
[05:25] <genii> dennister Well, if you plan to run a voip service you will still need a router, unless you stick to some softphone (software)
[05:25] <dennister> i don't want to run a service for others, just myself as a way to avoid monopolistic providers
[05:26] <jordo23> Jucato: After installing kubuntu-desktop and logging off things look a bit different now.....
[05:26] <dennister> and the isp I will probably get the dsl connection and dry line from will probably provide the dsl modem
[05:26] <Jucato> look? as in themes and stuff?
[05:26] <jordo23> Jucato: Not that different, but was it a problem that I technically was running Ubuntu with KDE installed (Not stock Kubuntu)?
[05:26] <Jucato> aaaah
[05:26] <BluesKaj> dennister, the dlink 624, looks good for ethernet dhcp , wired cat 5 dsl , even :)
[05:26] <Jucato> kde-core installed?
[05:26] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah, and some of the apps are a little different...
[05:26] <genii> dennister For a dedicated voip phone which doesn't need the computer on all the time to be connected thru say the USB port, it needs a separate connection as if it is a computer on an internal LAN
[05:27] <Jucato> kubuntu-desktop also installs the kubuntu-default-settings package, which sets Kubuntu's default appearance
[05:28] <dennister> genii: ok, now u lost me :) I plan to use my old regular phone most of the time for local calls/ringing...and hope to use the voip connection for long distance, but to have no Ma Bell account
[05:29] <tek_> anyone have any experience getting a palm device to sync with kontact?
[05:29] <jordo23> Jucato: It isn't that big a deal, as most of the appearance is still the same, but the Kicker menu is certainly different....
[05:29] <jordo23> Jucato: Can I get the kicker menu back to how I had it?
[05:29] <dennister> my old regular phone doesn't have a usb connection, but I guess it will need to be connected somehow to the computer's dsl modem, right?
[05:30] <jordo23> Jucato: I.e. the frequently used programs list is gone and stuff...
[05:30] <Jucato> jordo23: um yes.. just set it up again...
[05:30] <Jucato> jordo23: right-click panel -> Configure Panel -> Menus options
[05:30] <genii> dennister If you have no regular telehpne service on the telephone line to which your DSL is connected, a regular telephone will just have dead air. There are rj-11 to usb adapters where you can plug your old phone into your computer to use over internet but then again, your computer needs to be on all the time for it to work
[05:31] <dennister> ok...and it will be on online all the time, it is a mythtv-server, after all
[05:31] <dennister> but I'd have to buy the adapter to attach the old phone to the dsl modem, that rj-11 to usb adapter, right?
[05:32] <genii> dennister Some voip providers have an embedded device that is basically a LAN plug on one side and on the other side you plug your old telephone in, but again, this behaves as if it is another computer on an internal network etc
[05:32] <BluesKaj> Mythtv, what a pita
[05:32] <dennister> BluesKaj: pita?
[05:32] <genii> dennister At my work here we use an rj11 to usb device called a tigerphone, works great with voip
[05:33] <BluesKaj> this is a family ch , dennister , can't spell it out :)
[05:33] <genii> pita= pain in the arse
[05:33] <dennister> lol...pain in the a
[05:33] <genii> (loosely translated)
[05:33] <stdin> like rtfm = read the *fine* manual :)
[05:33] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:34] <genii> stdin LOL perhaps "flippin" manual
[05:34] <dennister> hey, i don't have a tv anymore :), don't want a Bell account, and am hoping to dump rogers completely, too
[05:34] <dennister> now if i can only get an apartment with satellite instead of cable...
[05:34] <stdin> genii: yeah, that's more accurate :p
[05:35] <BluesKaj> tried mythtv ...got it 90% done then i ran into the setup interface GUI...lost 40 IQ points just looking at it :)
[05:35] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you use a specific icon package for Kubuntu?
[05:35] <dennister> get this: the "E-care Consultant" at Rogers didn't know what an "operating system" was...she thought it was a person who ran a machine
[05:35] <jordo23> Jucato: It switched my icons and some are now larger than the others...
[05:35] <Jucato> jordo23: Crystal SVG most of the time
[05:36] <genii> Jucato Scalable Vector icons??
[05:36] <genii> interesting concept
[05:36] <Jucato> genii: that's the name of the icon theme
[05:37] <genii> Jucato Ah, OK :) Got me excited for a minute ROFL
[05:37] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah.....those look better, my Multimedia icon in my Kicker menu was the only one that was larger....looked wierd
[05:37] <Jucato> and yes, SVG's are used, then PNG icons for the sizes are generated
[05:37] <dennister> but she did know enough to immediately tell me, "the problem is on your setup", and when i told her it worked fine on my setup, but with the other "operating system" she said "the server is down"...i told her it wasn't, cause i could access it fine with the other os on the same machine
[05:37] <Jucato> genii: what, you didn't know about SVG icons?
[05:37] <Jucato> Linux is full of them :)
[05:37] <genii> Jucato No, it's news to me :) I used to do some VRML stuff with embedded SVG but not for a while now
[05:38] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you use superkaramba widgets?
[05:38] <dennister> all the standard excuses and passing the buck techniques, but didn't know what an operating system was...i'm still lmao
[05:38] <Jucato> jordo23: no
[05:38] <genii> Jucato like mapservers etc
[05:39] <unix_infidel> hmm, should i not expect firefox 2.0 in dapper repos?
[05:39] <Jucato> genii: look into /usr/share/icons... you'll see some SVG icons there
[05:39] <Jucato> unix_infidel: afaik, no... not really sure though
[05:39] <genii> Jucato Cool, thx
[05:40] <BluesKaj> dennister, the support ppl follow a script and as you ask the question they type it into the database and it searches it for an answer as close to your words as possible ...well that's the way it'supposed to work:)
[05:40] <dennister> BluesKaj: yes, and the standard excuses are right there at the top of their scripts for them
[05:41] <dennister> just goes to show u why i want to dump rogers as my isp...i'm still lmao at that 'consultant' and that was a week ago now
[05:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , no1 is ,did you turn the power on?
[05:41] <genii> BluesKaj If you get assigned a static IP from IAMA and call Bell for instance telling them you don't care for the DHCP IP your router gets look out for the crapstorm
[05:41] <genii> *IANA*
[05:42] <dennister> crapstorm? what do u mean? what do they do/say?
[05:43] <genii> dennister They want to rent you an IP that belongs to them so you get the runaround to the sales dept and back
[05:43] <BluesKaj> really, what happens genii ?...I'm using a Bell supplied router, the siemens speedstream 6300
[05:43] <BluesKaj> oops
[05:44] <dennister> o i c...i couldn't get through even to bell sales...gave up real fast...can't see how they think they're going to get customers away from rogers if they can't even answer ur call
[05:45] <jordo23> Jucato: Wierd....it didn't fix the apt problem....going to pastebin...one second...
[05:45] <unix_infidel> anyone here used the psychocats firefox update script?
[05:45] <genii> Eventually in that case I got a tech on the phone who tried to explain to me how it wasn't possible then I told him what netmask changes to make on *their* side
[05:46] <BluesKaj> did he offer you a job ? :)
[05:46] <dennister> i think i'm going with Toronto FreeNet for ISP via dry/dsl, they even give u a static IP for only an additinal $5/mth...not like rogers who wants u to have a busines account at $90/mth b4 u get a statitc IP
[05:46] <tryptamine> does "sudo apt-get install -f" install every package or what?... cos it's taking a shite long time
[05:46] <genii> dennister I'm head admin there :)
[05:46] <dennister> genii? at the Toronto FreeNet?
[05:47] <genii> dennister Yup
[05:47] <dennister> u gotta be kidding!
[05:47] <genii> nope
[05:47] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[05:47] <dennister> lol...i just had a meeting with Ken today
[05:47] <genii> dennister Cool :)
[05:47] <dennister> I'm starting as an HR volunteer next week
[05:47] <genii> dennister If you were in the office you saw the stack of machines I'm working on right now
[05:48] <jordo23> Jucato: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/850742  (Note the different MB amount....)
[05:48] <dennister> hey, it's all the PII's and III's from the city, right?
[05:48] <genii> dennister Yup :)
[05:48] <tryptamine> ure using PII's and III's??
[05:48] <dennister> it's a small, small world...especially considering this is a worldwide irc channel
[05:48] <Mightily-Oats> hey all, about to install edgy (going to take a crack at it again), and was wondering if someone could help me out. the problems i have had are, when in vim, the keys on the keyboard dont work as they do in dapper (this happens only when using vim in sudo), and also, i was wondering, how i change the boot splash res, and disable the window manager logon?
[05:49] <genii> tryptamine We got about 2500 old systems from the city of Toronto to install linux on and redistribute to ppl with no computers or internet
[05:49] <tryptamine> oooh, that's pretty cool :)
[05:49] <tryptamine> spreading the open source love :p
[05:50] <fowlduck> hi people
[05:50] <dennister> it's actually those donated pc's that i heard about in the ubuntutoronto group that made me look seriously at the freenet...it's giving you customers and volunteers already :)
[05:50] <BluesKaj> what ppl , genii ?
[05:50] <genii> tryptamine So in the office I have an ubuntu mirror and am auto-installing headless machines with netboot
[05:50] <tryptamine> i see i see
[05:50] <tryptamine> similar idea to this $100 laptop ive heard about
[05:51] <tryptamine> minus the $100
[05:51] <genii> BluesKaj The requirements from the city are that wherever the computers go, we need to record the postal code , they have some poverty index based on postal code
[05:51] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:51] <BluesKaj> thx
[05:51] <tryptamine> genii: that's well sneaky
[05:51] <dennister> not quite tryptamine, they will cost very little $
[05:52] <BluesKaj> obviously they'll sign up for internet service or a least a good portion will
[05:52] <tryptamine> no i mean, privacy wise
[05:52] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: there's a lot of issues in your request
[05:52] <dennister> those wonderful $100 laptops are a whole different kettle of fish...ones kids can take apart, and power by a pull-string
[05:52] <Mightily-Oats> rats.. was hoping it would be simple
[05:52] <genii> The price for a p2 400 system with everything on it is about $70 or $80 I think... I forget but somewhere in there. My boss Ken knows more about the numbers stuff
[05:53] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: no not that, I'm just saying that you have a multipart question
[05:53] <tryptamine> dennister: power by a pull-string?
[05:53] <dennister> Eben Moglen has some wonderful speeches where he talks about the "laptop for every child"...he's a wonderful speaker
[05:53] <BluesKaj> like those windup radios
[05:53] <genii> tryptamine Yes, it is an MIT project for human-powered laptop
[05:53] <dennister> find him on youtoube
[05:53] <Mightily-Oats> sry.. fingers kept rabbiting on
[05:53] <tryptamine> genii: that's a little overpriced isnt it? i jsut sold my athlon 1800 with 2gb ram, nvidia mx440 for $200
[05:53] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: don't think I can help with the vi/vim issues - I use kate
[05:54] <dennister> he can pull together economics, traditional history, tech, nonprofit/charities...u name it
[05:54] <Mightily-Oats> as sudo?
[05:54] <genii> tryptamine You get 1 yr internet also
[05:54] <BluesKaj> you shoulda got more tryptamine
[05:54] <genii> plus tech support
[05:54] <n8k99> yes it is possible - I use alt+f2 > kdesu kate
[05:55] <tryptamine> BluesKaj? u reckon... it was just an old box, no HDDs
[05:55] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:55] <tryptamine> how much do you think a 2800+ 2gb ram, 90gb HDD, cd burner, radeon 9600xt would be worth?
[05:55] <BluesKaj> that's different , tryptaminer
[05:55] <dennister> tryptamine: yes, around $80 for a pc, with internet for a year, and tech support, is a good deal
[05:55] <Mightily-Oats> hang on, so all those times ive neem typing into the konsole sudo kate and kate wasnt starting, was because i wasnt doing kdesu first?
[05:55] <tryptamine> dennister: yeah i agree
[05:56] <Mightily-Oats> nem is ment to be been... fingers again
[05:56] <Mightily-Oats> *neem
[05:56] <unix_infidel> tryptamine: you're selling that pc for 90 bucks?
[05:56] <BluesKaj> well, it's time for old guys to hit the sack
[05:56] <genii> LOL infidel
[05:56] <tryptamine> infidel: hahah no
[05:56] <BluesKaj> take care all
[05:57] <tryptamine> peace
[05:57] <dennister> night BluesKaj
[05:57] <genii> BluesKaj Gnite :)
[05:57] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: yup
[05:57] <tryptamine> infidel: i just wanted an estimated price
[05:57] <tryptamine> there's one problem with it though which im baffled about
[05:57] <unix_infidel> its socket A so its probably worth about 2-250
[05:57] <genii> tryptamine For estimating costs I generally go to pricewatch.com
[05:57] <tryptamine> it will recieve about 200mb through any network interface then the network will shut down
[05:57] <tryptamine> genii: cheers
[05:58] <tryptamine> i've tried 3 different 10/100 cards, 2 1000mb cards and 2 wireless cards and they all have the same trouble
[05:58] <n8k99> Mightily-Oats: I usually add the file name and only do the minimum work necessary so as I don't forget that kate is open under root
[05:58] <Mightily-Oats> going to find the closest brick wall and intorduce my head to it...
[05:58] <genii> Sounds like some packet size mismatch thing
[05:58] <Mightily-Oats> ill try that... thanks n8k99 :)
[05:58] <n8k99> welcome
[05:59] <tryptamine> it must be at the BIOS/chipset level because it did the same in every OS install
[05:59] <tryptamine> but i tried all the BIOS settings to no avail
[05:59] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. bye.. going to take another bash at edgy
[05:59] <tryptamine> so there's a 2800+ scattered round my room
[05:59] <genii> tryptamine I'd look at the MTU of your router
[05:59] <tryptamine> MTU?
[06:00] <tryptamine> no but... i didnt have that problem with any other computer... just this one
[06:00] <genii> tryptamine Maximum Transmission Unit
[06:01] <tryptamine> hmm whoah that's odd
[06:01] <tryptamine> i seem to only be getting 460kbps down
[06:01] <genii> tryptamine DSL MTU mismatch for instance for 1497 on router to 1500 on computer can mean horrible un-syncing of connection and lost data on large d/l
[06:02] <tryptamine> yeah i understand
[06:02] <tryptamine> but i cant find the settings for it
[06:03] <genii> tryptamine On routers usually someplace in the WAN area
[06:03] <tryptamine> yeah but im using the same router now and i have no problems with large downloads
[06:04] <tryptamine> however, why my net is running at 460kbps and not 24000kbps is beyond me
[06:04] <genii> tryptamine Are internal computers getting some LAN IP or are they all using some PPPOE client software like roaring penguin (rp-pppoe)
[06:04] <tryptamine> it says there's 90dB of upstream attenuation
[06:04] <tryptamine> LAN IP
[06:05] <genii> tryptamine The attentuation thing bears looking at. You may be a long distance from the nearest upsteam server. 2 kilometres is about max range
[06:06] <genii> tryptamine Your ISP can do a loop test to see what your actual data flow is
[06:06] <tryptamine> i seem to have a large amount of fast path CRC errors too
[06:06] <tryptamine> and over 120000 HEC errors
[06:07] <genii> CRC errors = very bad
[06:07] <tryptamine> really?
[06:08] <genii> Yeah, you have to keep d/l little bits then discarding the bad ones so it can be up to 20 times slower to d/l something even if the speed looks OK
[06:08] <tryptamine> ooooh, i see
[06:08] <dennister> hey intelikey :(
[06:08] <unix_infidel> does anyone else get a bit of grainyness with urxvt?
[06:08] <dennister> oops! meant: hey intelikey :)
[06:08] <dennister> lol
[06:09] <intelikey> dennister :)
[06:09] <intelikey> (:
[06:09] <genii> tryptamine If you can dump the error log someplace and email it to your ISP I'd do that. You can do a bit of twiddling upstream
[06:09] <dennister> guess what? i just met someone here that i'll be meeting and working with as of Tuesday :)
[06:09] <genii> *They* can twiddle
[06:09] <tryptamine> ah ok
[06:09] <dennister> i still think that's hilarious
[06:10] <tryptamine> well, ive got the head admin on my msn list but the bastard is lazy and away
[06:10] <intelikey> dennister why hilarious ?
[06:10] <genii> dennister I hope you like coffee, I basically live on it
[06:10] <tryptamine> and i dont want to call customer support because i'll just be arguging with some indian with an american accent for the next 4 hours about whether or not ive turned my computer on and off again
[06:10] <dennister> omg...i drink 2 pots a day!
[06:11] <dennister> no exaggeration, either
[06:11] <intelikey> ah and genii is the party of the second part that the party of the first part was refering to
[06:11] <genii> dennister Cool cool :)
[06:11] <dennister> lamo...yep
[06:11] <dennister> genii: were u a ubuntu user b4 ubuntutoronto contact u guys at the FreeNet?
[06:12] <genii> dennister Yes. I got some early CD perhaps 4.10 (4.08?) at a linux convention here
[06:12] <dennister> ubuntu is everywhere!
[06:13] <dennister> i met my first fellow-ubuntu-user in my living room
[06:13] <genii> dennister But of course we always had some kind of *nix here, our old servers were sunos, then freebsd and now we are shifting to Debian
[06:13] <dennister> yes, that makes sense, since you are an ISP
[06:14] <dennister> <---used to be an IT headhunter, of QA, software engineers, and unix admin
[06:14] <dennister> but that was b4 i retired in disgust at the ethics of headhunter agencies, not necessarily all headhunter practitioners
[06:15] <genii> dennister I basically fell into the Freenet sometime around 1996, I knew Ken way back. I always had been working with different kinds of systems, starting with an old PDP11 at school, then a VAX, then consumer stuff like VIC20 etc when all that stuff started going
[06:16] <dennister> great; that kind of knowledge has incredible value
[06:17] <dennister> unfortunately so many job openings are just for the latest and greatest tech...and HR depts who are looking for 3 years of Java-only experience even when Java had only been released for <1 yr
[06:17] <genii> dennister I know, it's retarded
[06:17] <dennister> lol...i used to laught at HR
[06:17] <tryptamine> that's ridiculous
[06:17] <we6jbo_> hi
[06:18] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[06:18] <dennister> i'm serious...it was ridiculous...the techies used to like me cause "u care enough to know what sourcesafe is"
[06:18] <genii> Besides that, the guys from places like Micro$oft are recruiting guys straight out of Waterloo etc
[06:18] <we6jbo_> how do you run nntp on ubuntu?
[06:18] <Khybrid> we6jbo_: nntp == newsgroups right?
[06:18] <dennister> yeah...and while I've known great people from waterloo, it also breeds lots of arrogance
[06:19] <we6jbo_> ya
[06:19] <Khybrid> i like pan
[06:19] <Khybrid> or do you mean a usenet server?
[06:19] <we6jbo_> I want to run a newsgroup for my friends to logon to and post messages
[06:19] <Khybrid> ah h/o
[06:19] <we6jbo_> like a usenet
[06:19] <tryptamine> afk: something tells me im about to have my house raided XD
[06:20] <genii> afk ... pulling office overnighter and some boxen are beeping
[06:20] <we6jbo_> basically when someone connects to my server they download messages and they can read them offline
[06:20] <we6jbo_> like that
[06:20] <genii> <- afk, not msg for user "afk" LOL
[06:20] <dennister> anyway, my breezy iso's are downloaded, although i am going to give dapper one more try with the ubuntu-server...i believe i got that installed on this PII b4...can't remember exactly
[06:20] <Khybrid> check out opennntp
[06:21] <dennister> genii: is the coffee at the FreeNet strong? shall I bring my own cream?
[06:21] <tryptamine> false alarm :)
[06:21] <Rebecca> hey peoples :D
[06:21] <Rebecca> does a pannel app to control xmms exist in the repros? can't seem to find one
[06:22] <we6jbo_> is there something like nntpd or something like that?
[06:22] <dennister> spoons usually stand up in my coffee of choice :)
[06:22] <genii> dennister I generally let Ken use the coffeemaker for heating up his tea and go to the CoffeeTime in the middle of the night, in the daytime the little cafe 2 doors towards Dundas
[06:23] <dennister> ok...but I guess I'll get a chance to meet u in person on Tues...say hi to Ken for me tomorrow, k?
[06:23] <dennister> he'll know me as cathy
[06:23] <genii> dennister OK will do.. He will be surprised I'm sure LOL
[06:24] <dennister> yeah...may be back in here tonight if I still can't get anything installed on the PII
[06:24] <ubuntu> hey all.. again, in the middle of installing edgy (gotta love a system that allows you to install and be functional at the same time :) ).. which keyboard do i choose (with or without dead keys.. as far as i know.. dead keys are those windoze keys right)?
[06:24] <dennister> ttyl pps
[06:24] <genii> dennister I'm here all night on and off so drop back in if neccesary
[06:24] <dennister> ok, thx :)
[06:24] <genii> dennister Gnite
[06:26] <stdin> ubuntu: you can choose either, you can change it after you install
[06:26] <genii> for commandline "mail -s "subject" someone@somewhere"     need mailutils yes?
[06:27] <ubuntu> ok cool... thanks
[06:27] <stdin> np
[06:27] <ubuntu> that would be in the kcontrol panel right?
[06:28] <Rebecca> anyone know of a media control panel applet that works with xmms?
[06:28] <stdin> ubuntu: yes and no, kubuntu uses "System Settings", a replacement for kcontrol, but kontrol is still there if you need it
[06:28] <ubuntu> ok.. cool... on with the install then :)
[06:28] <stdin> good luck :)
[06:29] <stdin> genii: yeah, i think so, /usr/bin/mail is in mailutils anyway :p
[06:29] <genii> stdin OK, thx :)
[06:31] <Stalk3r> anyone want to help me test my dcc send ability?
[06:31] <stdin> go for it Stalk3r
[06:33] <Stalk3r>  [DCC]  Asking stdin to accept upload of "nine_inch_nails_-_children_of_the_night_-_09_broken_machine_.mp3" (280.4 KB)...
[06:33] <intelikey> i was out of school in 82 so you can kinda get the feel for age there.
[06:33] <intelikey> ooops.
[06:33] <Stalk3r> heh
[06:33] <stdin> Stalk3r: failed
[06:33] <Stalk3r> class of '86
[06:33] <Stalk3r> thanks for the trial
[06:34] <Stalk3r> I"ll try and figure it out
[06:34] <Stalk3r> oh, maybe that was it, try again?
[06:34] <stdin> Stalk3r: ready
[06:35] <Stalk3r> [DCC]  Asking stdin to accept upload of "STAR_WARS_SOUNDTRACK_-_IMPERIAL_MARCH.MP3" (2.8 MB)...
[06:35] <genii> BTW if anyone has use for some old Sun Microsystems boxes let me know
[06:35] <Stalk3r> that would be fun to play with
[06:35] <stdin> [DCC]  Download of "STAR_WARS_SOUNDTRACK_-_IMPERIAL_MARCH.MP3" from Stalk3r failed. Reason: Connection failure: timed operation timed out.
[06:35] <Stalk3r> hrm
[06:36] <ubuntu> hurray.. half way through install :)
[06:36] <stdin> i even turned my firewall off that time, so it's not me :p
[06:37] <genii> Mostly Sparc5, 1 sparc10 and 1 sparcIPX
[06:38] <genii> ("pizza-boxes")
[06:38] <stdin> Stalk3r: you behind a rooter or somethin?
[06:38] <Stalk3r> yeah
[06:38] <Stalk3r> a couple
[06:38] <stdin> ahh :p
[06:38] <Stalk3r> maybe I need to forward some ports
[06:45] <premier_> genii, you still around?
[06:47] <premier_> A person like me will only move from windows to linux if he can do all things he wants to do on linux that he can do on windows.
[06:47] <Stalk3r> heh
[06:47] <premier_> Thanks to you genii and people like you, I think Im almost there
[06:47] <intelikey> premier_ then go back to windows.  that kind of attitude will get you no where here.
[06:49] <goodthing> I might be looking for a new motherboard. What brand motherboard maker does co-operate best with the community?
[06:49] <Pirate-king> intelikey you running fiesty fawn?
[06:49] <premier_> what? I was complimenting genii!  You saying I should use an inferior operating system?  Im not just going to jump into something if its not going to do what I want it to. And early on, I couldnt get linux to do everything I wanted it to
[06:50] <intelikey> you want to pay a company to sue the pants off of anyone that tries to make a system that can access their crap, and then demand that linux be able to do anything they do... no thanks.
[06:50] <premier_> but hey, intelikey, if you dont want people using linux, then fine.  But dont go around telling me what to do.
[06:50] <premier_> haha, good point
[06:51] <intelikey> don't want people saying make my linux play the latest M$ encrpted .wmv that has TC protection or else.     if that's what you want.  use windows. and leave linux alone.
[06:52] <stdin> someone needs a cookie
[06:53] <intelikey> trueted computing <-- i hope linux never tries to compeet with it.
[06:53] <achille2> intelikey: what's wrong with trusted computing ?
[06:53] <genii> Sorry I was away ... just caught something about inferior operating systems LOL
[06:54] <intelikey> achille2 what's right with it ?    it's evil.    if you want someone else controling your computer then it's for you i guess.
[06:55] <achille2> intelikey: trusted computing is trusted if and only if the whole thing is trusted
[06:55] <achille2> intelikey: ie, from the bios to the boot loader to the hardware
[06:55] <Pirate-king> all I want to run is a trusted secure distro that will do my stuff
[06:55] <intelikey> achille2 maybe you need to do a little study on that subject.
[06:55] <calvarez> ubotu: flash
[06:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:55] <goodthing> +1
[06:57] <intelikey> achille2 in a nut shell TC is the best way for M$ to improve it's monopoly, and stamp out other os's.
[06:57] <we6jbo_> is anyone familiar with wine and know how to get to it (something like /wine?
[06:57] <achille2> intelikey: I think I know what trusted computing is and I think it's needed, trusted computing is not for your home pc, it's for atms, video game consoles etc
[06:57] <Stalk3r> start your windoze app with "open with" and browse to wine
[06:58] <Pirate-king> any one running fiesty fawn
[06:58] <intelikey> we6jbo_ wine /path/to/file.exe
[06:58] <Pirate-king> with a laptop and wireless?
[06:59] <Pirate-king> is there a wireless signal strenth meter in fiesty fawn?
[06:59] <Pirate-king> like ubuntu
[06:59] <intelikey> achille2 yeah you think you know.   i agree.
[07:03] <freeride> hey, anyone use the superkaramba hmail theme?
[07:03] <genii> I need to reboot this box, see you all in a bit
[07:03] <freeride> does anyone use the superkaramba hmail theme?
[07:04] <vali_> vali
[07:05] <intelikey> achille2 we also need id chips in laptop batteries so you can't use a cheaper modle battery    (or does that only help the manyfacturor?)   and in ink cartrages so they can't be recycled/refilled  (or does that only help the manufacturor?)    and TC  so that some things will only work on M$ + TC systems.... (or does that only help...)
[07:07] <killermach__> I went to print and I do not have a PDF printer listed. I'm still reviewing synaptic, but I'm used to linux's just having a PDF printer already installed, so not sure what I need to install.. any hints??
[07:08] <intelikey> that is the whole idea behind TC     make mp3 only work on TC boxes   make avi only work on TC boxes   to stop pirating   so you can't steel their precious propritary MONEY   that's what TC is about   more MONEY for   someone....   wont be linux unix solaris or mac  though.
[07:09] <intelikey> wonder who it will be ?
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[07:12] <killermach__> ok.. I found cups-pdf, I think this is it
[07:14] <killermach__> anyone have a Linksys WUSB54GP adapter?, I get /var/log/messages logging it net2280 module driver, but iwlist eth1 scan shows no networks
[07:16] <intelikey> killermach__ eth1   not eth0 ?
[07:17] <killermach__> intelikey: I have eth0 is my lan cable, and I have an atheros that is ath0, but the messages logs shows eth1 when I plug in the USB
[07:18] <intelikey> oh. ok.
[07:19] <killermach__> well I installed cups-pdf and I still don't have a PDF printer when I click File-> Print
[07:19] <intelikey> hmmm killermach__ if you don't find any help here you might ask in #ubuntu  ##linux  ##linuxhelp     sometimes networking help in  ##linux is really good.   other times.....
[07:20] <intelikey> killermach__ kmenu -> syetem settings -> parifreals -> printers     add one ?
[07:20] <killermach__> intelikey: thanks, my laptop is old enough that it does not support wpa, and I have the WUSB54GP, if it will work in linux that would be nice :)
[07:22] <intelikey> k  well i wish i could help with that but i'm about network useless.    good luck with it tho.
[07:22] <intelikey> and good night.   i'm out of here.
[07:25] <oggy> i just installed kbuntu
[07:26] <oggy> I have no audio
[07:26] <oggy> and I cant get firefox working correctly
[07:26] <oggy> why do I have to go in a terminal to launch firefox
[07:27] <elyon> I'm need to change my login screen resolution, but can't figure out how.  I've edited my xorg.conf but that hasn't helped.
[07:28] <noiesmo> elyon, my login screen res is the same as my desktop. the video driver loads sets res then presents the login from my understanding
[07:28] <marcus_> any hints on how to see a windows network in linux?
[07:28] <noiesmo> marcus_, you using kde
[07:29] <elyon> noiesmo:  The problem is, my desktop resolution is fine.  But the login screen uses 1280x1024
[07:29] <vbgunz> is it possible to change a windows class or role on the fly? I am trying to apply specific window settings to two different versions of Firefox
[07:29] <elyon> Not only that, but the mouse cursor doesn't point to the right areas of the screen (if that makes any sense)
[07:29] <marcus_> noiesmo: actually i use kde and gnome both
[07:30] <marcus_> noiesmo: ideally i would like to see the network in both.
[07:30] <noiesmo> marcus_, in kde i open konquerour and type smb:\\ipaddress
[07:31] <marcus_> noisemo: ipaddress being the router?
[07:31] <noiesmo> marcus_, also in kcontrol you can set up smb client
[07:31] <jack_> can it not pop a window when playing movie with kmplayer as the front of mplayer?
[07:31] <noiesmo> marcus_, I have a system here ip is 192.168.0.194 local network
[07:32] <marcus_> noisemo: that helps thanks.
[07:32] <noiesmo> marcus_, not fairmiliar with gnome sorry
[07:32] <wilman> i can't seem to record any audio
[07:32] <wilman> can someone help me with configuring that
[07:32] <noiesmo> wilman, what from mic
[07:33] <wilman> sound
[07:33] <wilman> yes
[07:33] <wilman> mic
[07:33] <noiesmo> wilman, have you check settings in kmix or alsamixer
[07:33] <wilman> in audacity the device for recording is /dev/dsp
[07:33] <marcus_> noiesmo: thanks for the help
[07:34] <noiesmo> marcus_, np
[07:34] <wilman> in alsamixer the mic is totaly down, but i can't seem to move the volume up
[07:35] <noiesmo> wilman, what sound card you got
[07:35] <wilman> soundblaster 7.1 24 bit
[07:35] <stdin> wilman: to record in audacity, I have to kill artsd first
[07:36] <wilman> ok
[07:36] <wilman> lets try
[07:37] <wilman> nop
[07:37] <wilman> doesnt workk
[07:37] <stdin> did you restart audacity after?
[07:38] <wilman> yes
[07:38] <wilman> and it gives an error then
[07:38] <genii> Bleh
[07:38] <stdin> how did you kill artsd?
[07:38] <wilman> i start aoss audacity
[07:38] <wilman> killall
[07:38] <genii> AWAY coffeerun
[07:39] <stdin> you may need sudo killall, sometimes I get a artsd started as root
[07:39] <genii> forgot slash sorry :)
[07:39] <wilman> alright
[07:40] <stdin> like now, for some reason, I have 2 artsd, one is mine, one is roots
[07:40] <stdin> don't know why, maybe something to do with kdesu?
[07:40] <wilman> no it gives an error
[07:40] <stdin> what error is it?
[07:41] <wilman> intializing i/o
[07:41] <wilman> how can you see what devices are running
[07:42] <stdin> what do you mean by "what devices are running"?
[07:50] <lachlan> can i get a link to the ubuntu channel?
[07:51] <stdin> #ubuntu
[07:51] <lachlan> thx stdin
[07:51] <stdin> np
[07:54] <genii> away
[07:54] <genii> Back, rather :)
[08:00] <michael20la> is there a way i can extract all the files from an iso without mounting it?
[08:01] <genii> nope
[08:02] <genii> michael201a No way that I know of. The only way for the os to know how to understand whats in the iso is to mount it.
[08:02] <stdin> maybe you can do it with kiso, but I don't know
[08:03] <michael20la> well any app that can do this? ie winrar for xp
[08:03] <stdin> it's probably easier to just mount it
[08:03] <genii> michael201a What is the issue with having to loop mount the iso image?
[08:03] <luisangel> hello
[08:04] <michael20la> genii: well seems to take too long, whereas i can just open the image like zip & tar and extract it
[08:10] <genii> !fuseiso | michael201a
[08:10] <ubotu> fuseiso: FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060107-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[08:10] <stdin> genii: isn't that just mounting the ISO anyway? :p
[08:10] <genii> stdin I'm not exactly certain LOL
[08:11] <stdin> well "FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images" says it all
[08:11] <genii> stdin It was the only thing sounded remotely like it might do the job
[08:11] <stdin> !kiso
[08:11] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[08:11] <stdin> that will do the job
[08:12] <genii> I was thinking about some kind of dd piping but I think even if possible would be horribly inefficient and slow
[08:13] <stdin> not to mention complex
[08:13] <genii> stdin Ah, I forgot when searchin apt-cache on this box, no kde apps
[08:13] <stdin> how come?
[08:13] <genii> stdin X is not installed at all. It is command-line 6.06.1 server
[08:14] <kraut> moin
[08:14] <michael20la> stdin: ok any other apps like kiso?
[08:14] <stdin> should still show kde apps
[08:14] <stdin> michael20la: that's the only one I found
[08:15] <stdin> genii: I can search gnome apps, tho I don't have it installed
[08:15] <Generic> I configured and compiled a kernel specifically for my laptop model and used the ubuntu tools to put it into a .deb file
[08:15] <genii> stdin Nope just checked :) gnome gui stuff only
[08:15] <Generic> It should work in other debian systems other then *ubuntu, right?
[08:15] <stdin> genii: that's strange, as they all share the same repos
[08:16] <stdin> Generic: should, yes
[08:16] <genii> stdin Yeah seems weird
[08:16] <Generic> stdin, thanks, just wanted to make sure
[08:16] <Generic> now to strip it down to just the modules needed for the laptop
[08:16] <Generic> then I can upload it!
[08:17] <stdin> genii, so if you search for kubuntu-desktop, you don't see it?
[08:18] <genii> stdin You got it
[08:18] <genii> stdin But I just discovered the issue. I had all repos except cdrom commented out
[08:19] <stdin> ahh, well then :P
[08:20] <posthuman> o.O..
[08:20] <posthuman> hmm
[08:20] <posthuman> I thought xfce was suppose to be faster than kde
[08:21] <stdin> it uses less resources, so it's faster that way
[08:21] <posthuman> eh i had xfce installed...128mb ram...an ok processor..but it was really slow
[08:21] <posthuman> now im on kde, and it seems way snappier
[08:22] <posthuman> so its weird
[08:22] <posthuman> heh
[08:26] <genii> posthuman Yes, that IS odd
[08:27] <posthuman> yeah
 Hi all. I have to install an unknown PCI modem. In the lspci it appears as 01:01.0 Communication controller: Conexant Unknown device 2f30 (rev 01). Using the product's and vendor's ids, I've found a driver and installed it. But the modem still appears as "unknown" in the pci list. what should I do to test it?
[08:27] <posthuman> i think the new xfce is buggy or something
[08:27] <posthuman> i mean, right now i can browse, listen to music, etc..no trouble
[08:27] <posthuman> xfce is was lag city
[08:27] <posthuman> oh well
[08:27] <posthuman> lol
[08:29] <lascar> hmm...
[08:30] <dope> can amarok rip cds?
[08:31] <Jucato> konqueror, k3b, kaudiocreator can rip cd's. I think Amarok can, too
[08:32] <dope> hmm i don't think amarok can
[08:33] <posthuman> i think amarok just links to another program to do it
[08:33] <posthuman> probably kaudiocreator
[08:34] <dope> can i rip to mp3?
[08:34] <posthuman> dope: kaudiocreator works perfectly, use that
[08:34] <posthuman> yes you can
[08:34] <lascar> wait, konqueror can rip cds?  How?
[08:34] <posthuman> yeah konqueror can
[08:34] <posthuman> very easily
[08:34] <posthuman> just go to the cd directory
[08:34] <posthuman> and there's folders..mp3, ogg, extra
[08:34] <stdin> dope you can rip to ogg too :)
[08:34] <dope> how do i rip to mp3.  it has ogg selected
[08:34] <posthuman> copy them to wherever
[08:34] <dope> i don't wanna use ogg
[08:35] <dope> i wanna be able to put it on my ipod
[08:35] <Jucato> lascar, dope: in Konqueror, type in audiocd:/
[08:35] <posthuman> dope: actually, try going to your cdrom folder
[08:35] <Jucato> you need to have lame installed
[08:35] <dope> i looked at the cd drives in konqueror and they're both empty
[08:35] <lascar> posthuman: i think i remember doing that a while back
[08:35] <dope> but both drives have an audio cd in them
[08:35] <lascar> and while i'm at it
[08:35] <stdin> dope: my ipod plays ogg, but i use rockbox
[08:35] <Jucato> dope: you have to type in "audiocd:/"
[08:35] <lascar> i have an external drive i formatted with NTFS
[08:35] <posthuman> oh sorry didnt know that -- listen to jucato
[08:36] <posthuman> lol
[08:36] <dope> yea i don't use rockbox, how is it?  can i use it with like an ipod alarm clock radio?
[08:36] <Jucato> you also have to install LAME to be able to rip to MP3's
[08:36] <lascar> windows has no problem detecting and writing to it, but Kubuntu only has read-only access to it.  Why is that?
[08:36] <dope> yea i found lame
[08:36] <dope> :)
[08:36] <Jucato> posthuman: actually the cdrom folder also works, as long as you do it through media:/ and not /media
[08:36] <posthuman> oh
[08:36] <posthuman> that explains how I did that
[08:36] <ForgeAus> Lames one way....
[08:36] <posthuman> konqueror is pretty awesome
[08:37] <lascar> posthuman: indeed
[08:37] <ForgeAus> konqueror is AMAZING
[08:37] <posthuman> after using thunar or whatever..im glad to be back on kde o.O
[08:37] <ForgeAus> and its probably only going to get better!
[08:37] <lascar> posthuman: what do you know about external drives and kubuntu?
[08:37] <ForgeAus> yeah I'm no Thunar fan
[08:37] <stdin> dope: don't know if it has that function, because I don't use it :p , but rockbox is good, just uses the battery a bit more quickly
[08:37] <ForgeAus> I don't know enough about Nautilus to make up my mind about it
[08:37] <posthuman> lascar: not much.  I don't have one.  I use to, but it was auto-mounted
[08:38] <dope> oh
[08:38] <ForgeAus> Krusader I likea lot tho
[08:38] <lascar> ah
[08:38] <dope> i'll probably just stick to the crapple firmware for a while
[08:38] <posthuman> :p
[08:38] <genii> Interesting ... why is mkisofs not an installable package on 6.06 (server) . Trying to install cdw (command line cd burning tool) but mkisofs and cdrecord are said to be uninstallable packages and cdw itself is marked as broken
[08:38] <stdin> dope: you can have both on it
[08:39] <dope> can you switch between firmwares?
[08:39] <ForgeAus> genii? wierd
[08:39] <dope> i just don't wanna lose my library on it cause it's about 30 gigs of shizzy
[08:39] <posthuman> lol
[08:39] <ForgeAus> same thing happens to me in Wolvix with Monodevelop
[08:39] <seven11> speacking of music formats is there a converter how doese everything mp3 to ogg flac to mp3 usw
[08:39] <stdin> dope: there is a boot loader thing for ipod that will let you choose
[08:40] <ForgeAus> (was excluded because of Gecko# or something)
[08:40] <genii> Hmm
[08:40] <posthuman> the new kde 3.5.5 seems to be really fast and stable
[08:40] <posthuman> its sad xfce has gotten so slow
[08:40] <dope> i'll probably mess with it when i have a full copy of my ipod backed up
[08:40] <lascar> does anybody know how to get kubuntu to write to external ntfs drives?  NOTE: I've tried chmod, and it has failed.
[08:40] <dope> someone on my forums linked it and it looked cool
[08:40] <posthuman> my computer seems to hate gtk though, for some strange reason
[08:40] <stdin> dope: yeah, defiantly backup :p
[08:41] <ForgeAus> I'm just counting my blessings to simply have linux running in VM ware,
[08:41] <genii> libntfs-dev  has write support
[08:41] <posthuman> heh
[08:41] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | lascar
[08:41] <ubotu> lascar: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[08:41] <TehKewl1> ok, I just did something really stupid
[08:41] <MrNatas> Hi people
[08:41] <posthuman> I sold my main PC a few days ago (upgrading)..but I had to format and put windows xp on it..before even getting sp2 installed I got a virus
[08:42] <ForgeAus> ubotu wasn't ntfstools its predecessor? is that safer?
[08:42] <TehKewl1> I installed a new version of glib from source, so it told me to remove the old one, so I went to remove it in adept and it removed everything :O
[08:42] <posthuman> im glad to be on linux
[08:42] <posthuman> lol
[08:42] <TehKewl1> no I can't even get to the desktop
[08:42] <genii> something has to be done about this adept thingy
[08:42] <posthuman> whats weong with adept?
[08:42] <ForgeAus> yeah adept gets really slow
[08:42] <stdin> ForgeAus: ubout is a bot :p
[08:42] <MrNatas> Hey, does anybody have a clue about how I can get OpenGroupware.org for Ubuntu ?
[08:42] <Jucato> TehKewl1: can you get to the command line?
[08:42] <TehKewl1> it just fucked up my install
[08:43] <posthuman> hm
[08:43] <genii> Adept will break systems when apt-get or aptitude will not
[08:43] <ForgeAus> starts off fast enough
[08:43] <TehKewl1> yeah, but it logs in and goes straight to xterm
[08:43] <posthuman> strange
[08:43] <Jucato> TehKewl1: if you can, try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <posthuman> ive never had any issues with adept..but that's indeed weird
[08:43] <Jucato> genii: nah, apt-get and aptitude can break your system as well... but less
[08:43] <TehKewl1> won't that take a loooooooooooooooong time on a 64k internet connection, or can I use the packages from the CD?
[08:43] <lascar> for all of you having adept problems, try using apt-get
[08:44] <lascar> or changing the repos to a different country
[08:44] <TehKewl1> Kpackage is ftw
[08:44] <lascar> like "eu" instead of "us"
[08:44] <ForgeAus> my problem with adept is it shows too many goodies
[08:44] <sara> Anyone know of a program I can control my computer fans with?  My fan is running at full speed,  all the time
[08:44] <genii> Jucato OK, should have qualified that. Point taken
[08:44] <Jucato> TehKewl1: if you have the Alternate Install CD, yes
[08:44] <MrNatas> The fact is I'm looking for a good groupware, but oGo seems not not be available on ubuntu :(
[08:44] <lascar> and i have the ntfs driver installed, but i get the same problem
[08:44] <Jucato> genii: the problem with Adept is that it doesn't immediately show you what it will remove or install
[08:44] <posthuman> whats the problem lascar?
[08:44] <TehKewl1> so what commands do I issue, I'll get some paper
[08:45] <Jucato> TehKewl1: do you have the Alternate Install CD? you  can't use the Desktop/Live CD
[08:45] <genii> lascar Why is it that you wish to write to an ntfs partition from linux? There may be some other solution if we know the problem
[08:45] <TehKewl1> it's the all in one dapper thingy :(
[08:45] <posthuman> lascar: i followed an ntfs howto a few days ago for write permissions
[08:45] <MrNatas> So , nobody for oGo ?
[08:45] <posthuman> worked simple
[08:45] <posthuman> in about 5 minutes
[08:45] <posthuman> do you want me to find it?
[08:46] <lascar> posthuman: got the address?
[08:46] <posthuman> one moment
[08:46] <genii> lascar for instance if you have a dualboot system xp/ubuntu and wish to share data across, make a fat32 partition and dump stuff from either OS on it etc
[08:46] <lascar> and posthuman: because i have data i wish to transfer to the external to save my primary's space?
[08:47] <lascar> genii: already have a dual boot system; two separate hard drives
[08:47] <lascar> the external is pure storage
[08:47] <posthuman> lascar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[08:47] <posthuman> i did this on the live cd...worked simple
[08:47] <posthuman> :)
[08:48] <genii> lascar and it needs to be accessible from XP?
[08:48] <lascar> genii: indeed
[08:48] <lascar> posthuman: thanx
[08:48] <posthuman> np
[08:49] <ForgeAus> yeah you can use fat32 or you can use filesystem tools
[08:49] <ForgeAus> like ext2ifs
[08:49] <ForgeAus> and ntfstools
[08:49] <lascar> i hate fat32
[08:49] <lascar> it also = scandisk on windows
[08:49] <lascar> ::shivers::
[08:49] <genii> I try to steer clear of messing with ntfs from linux whenever possible
[08:49] <lascar> genii: i understand where you're coming from.  But I'm stubborn and hate fat32.
[08:50] <ForgeAus> genii sounds like a wise choice
[08:50] <ForgeAus> lascar just be careful
[08:50] <stdin> there is a driver for windows that will let you read/write to ext2/3
[08:50] <ForgeAus> yes stdin
[08:50] <ForgeAus> I don't know exactily if its a driver tho
[08:50] <ForgeAus> ext2ifs
[08:50] <lascar> forgeaus: i'll try.  Thanks for the concern.
[08:51] <posthuman> when i formatted my pc..my net wasnt working in windows (go figure)..so i booted from the kubuntu live cd and did that above how to.  I download sp2 straight onto the ntfs partition
[08:51] <posthuman> so it should work
[08:51] <ForgeAus> you can mount linux drives as if they were native with it
[08:51] <genii> I actually back up my ntfs drives to an ext3 drive with dd to a file
[08:51] <stdin> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:51] <ForgeAus> (including ext3 not sure about rieser or xfs tho)
[08:51] <stdin> windows driver for ext2/3 ^^
[08:52] <sara> can anyone assist me with my wireless LAN?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> be careful if your using ext3 to unmount it... but then you should do that with all devices mounted right?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> stdin thats the one ext2ifs... same site
[08:53] <stdin> I don't use windows anymore, just remember using it a few years ago
[08:53] <genii> I wonder if there will be a windows xfs mount utility
[08:53] <ForgeAus> wow an HPFSIFS could be interesting lol
[08:53] <lascar> !xfs
[08:53] <ubotu> xfs: X font server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 192 kB
[08:54] <ForgeAus> actually its not the program lascar its the filessystem
[08:54] <lascar> ::sigh:: don't you just love open source compression technology?
[08:54] <lascar> understood
[08:54] <ForgeAus> uboutu got hte wrong reference...
[08:55] <genii> It would be intersting if the bot understood contextx eg some query like !xfs :file system
[08:55] <sara> can someone please help me with my wireless card?  I can't get it to connect
[08:55] <lascar> sara: what chipset is it?
[08:55] <lascar> genii: indeed
[08:55] <sara> its an airlink
[08:56] <sara> lascar: airlink awll3026
[08:56] <lascar> sara: that's a brand name and model, not chipset
[08:56] <lascar> however
[08:56] <genii> model numbers are good :)
[08:56] <lascar> can kubuntu detect it?
[08:57] <lascar> and by detect...
[08:57] <lascar> i mean, can you go into network settings and see it listed?
[08:57] <sara> yes.  It even displays access points in wireless assistant
[08:57] <lascar> great, battle is more than half won
[08:58] <lascar> ok, i've this weird issue with my wlan and kubuntu
[08:58] <sara> I can not connect to any access points though.
[08:58] <lascar> it doesn't auto-connect, sara; i have to do it manually
[08:58] <lascar> sara: iindeed
[08:58] <genii> Whoa that was weird! I just checked on 'top' which i have running on another console ... cpu0 = *130%* usage
[08:58] <genii> how the hell does that happen????
[08:58] <lascar> try going to the control panel and then network settings
[08:58] <sara> okay
[08:58] <lascar> (pardon my windows-esque lexicon)
[08:59] <lascar> ok, see your card listed?
[08:59] <sara> yes
[08:59] <sara> I am having a similar problem... like this guy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/67607
[08:59] <lascar> ok, your going to edit its settings
[08:59] <dope> these probs are ripping the cd pretty slow.  is there a fast one?
[08:59] <dope> progs*
[09:00] <ForgeAus> control panel? in kde its probably system settings or something... in gnome I'm not sure in XFCE its settings manager?
[09:00] <sara> lascar, where is the administrator button to allow me to change settings?
[09:00] <lascar> ForgeAus: you're probably right.  Plus I'm in xp right now
[09:00] <lascar> sara: maximize the window
[09:00] <ForgeAus> and in WMaker its probably just options or settings or something
[09:00] <lascar> it'll be on the bottom
[09:00] <sara> oops
[09:01] <genii> lascar Unless she is in 640 res, then goes off the bottom
[09:01] <lascar> genii: nah; that was another weird quirk i have with kubuntu too
[09:02] <lascar> and i think i have it running 1280 x 724
[09:02] <lascar> sara: you there yet?
[09:03] <sara> lascar, I just typep in my essid and wep
[09:03] <lascar> sara: ok good
[09:03] <lascar> now go the "wireless network" section
[09:03] <lascar> and basically do the same thing
[09:04] <lascar> i know it's redundant; that's what i meant earlier
[09:04] <lascar> with the quirkiness and all
[09:04] <sara> okay
[09:05] <sara> for some reason it keeps changing my web to ascii
[09:05] <sara> i want hex
[09:05] <lascar> sara: and you're sure your wep is hex/ascii?
[09:05] <sara> its 128
[09:05] <sara> 882EF9ACED922437119B312505
[09:05] <sara> thats it
[09:05] <lascar> ah, make sure it stays like that
[09:05] <lascar> (didn't need to know that)
[09:05] <sara> meh, I block MACs too
[09:05] <lascar> sara: go back to the network config section
[09:06] <sara> lascar, oaky
[09:06] <lascar> you're going to go back to edit and make sure your wep type is hex
[09:06] <lascar> and then apply the changes
[09:07] <sara> it keeps changing to to ascii
[09:07] <sara> pissing me off, it changes it to ascii then erases the key
[09:07] <dope> what's the package syste that ubuntu uses?
[09:07] <lascar> yes!  that's another problem!
[09:08] <lascar> alright, correct everything and apply the changes
[09:08] <dope> starts with an a
[09:08] <lascar> make sure the network reloads
[09:09] <lascar> sara: i'm gonn a switch to kubuntu.  give me a few moments.
[09:10] <sara> lascar, i have both set to that key and access point
[09:10] <lascar> and you have the green check mark and all?
[09:10] <sara> yeah
[09:11] <lascar> pinging your router came up positive?
[09:11] <sara> well, no ip address
[09:11] <lascar> ah, dhcp...
[09:11] <lascar> ok, this may be annoying
[09:11] <lascar> but
[09:11] <lascar> go back to "wireless network" and hit the "activate" button, sara
[09:12] <sara> okay, just a second
[09:12] <sara> i have ubuntu on my other computer, this kubuntu gets a little further
[09:12] <lascar> sara: heads up: you'll have to reload the network settings again
[09:13] <lascar> but before you do that, hit me up again
[09:14] <sara> lascar, you are wanting me to disable, enable?
[09:14] <lascar> sara: no
[09:14] <lascar> edit your settings
[09:14] <lascar> but THIS time
[09:14] <lascar> make the smallest change possible:
[09:14] <lascar> delete a letter from the ESSID
[09:15] <lascar> and type it in again
[09:15] <lascar> then ok and apply
[09:15] <lascar> and tell me what happens
[09:15] <sara> its realoading the network
[09:15] <lascar> ok
[09:16] <lascar> hopefully, your router will assign the card an ip address
[09:16] <lascar> which should appear in the dialog box
[09:16] <sara> I blelieve I need to use ndiswrapper
[09:16] <lascar> why, what happened?
[09:16] <sara> this driver has to be bad, i have never gotten this to work
[09:17] <lascar> hmm...i'm gonna switch; give me a few minutes
[09:17] <sara> still the same.  okay
[09:24] <genii> I just had a kernel panic and had to reboot
[09:26] <genii> I suspect it may be related to earlier issue of 'top' showing 130% cpu usage
[09:27] <genii> Interestingly after a hard reboot it said hda2 clean LOL ... didn't care to run fsck
[09:32] <genii> I am running fsck on another drive (not /) ...anyone got a benchmark on how long it takes for ~250Gb fsck? Just wanna get an idea of what I'm in for
[09:32] <e1> f
[09:32] <e1> test
[09:33] <e1> !fsck
[09:33] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[09:34] <genii> Anyhow I imagine it's going to take awhile
[09:35] <stdin> always dose
[09:36] <genii> stdin Yeah I may need some good pharmaceuticals to watch it crawl on ROFL
[09:37] <genii> stdin The absolute worst thing is it was right in the middle of a system backup when it went out.
[09:37] <stdin> ouch :p
[09:38] <lascar> sara, you still here?
[09:39] <sara> lascar yes
[09:39] <lascar> oh good
[09:39] <lascar> i just got through the same problem you're having now
[09:39] <sara> i installed ndiswarpper
[09:39] <lascar> i kept using kcontrol and got lockups
[09:39] <lascar> and did it help?
[09:39] <sara> not sure yet
[09:40] <genii> warpper seems strangely apt somehow
[09:40] <lascar> well, i did the same things i mentioned before, but instead accessed the individual modules rather than kcontrol
[09:41] <sara> how did you do that?
[09:41] <sara> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[09:41] <sara> look at that page, my card is listed and I downloaded the windows driver
[09:41] <lascar> sara: right-click on Kicker and add the control panel module
[09:42] <sara> where can I do that... applet?
[09:43] <lascar> sara: right-click on any blank space on the kicker
[09:43] <stdin> that reminds me of something strange in feisty, kcontrol has nothing in it
[09:43] <lascar> select "add applet to panel"
[09:43] <sara> what is the kicker?
[09:43] <genii> lascar I think she means what option in the popup
[09:43] <stdin> no menus, i mean
[09:43] <lascar> kicker = taskbar
[09:43] <sara> okay
[09:43] <stdin> well the taskbar is on kicker :p
[09:44] <lascar> ::shrug::
[09:44] <stdin> taskbar is an applet
[09:44] <stdin> or is it a pannel
[09:44] <stdin> never mind :p
[09:44] <lascar> indeed
[09:44] <sara> what exaclty am I looking to add... kontrol panel?>
[09:44] <genii> stdin Good question
[09:44] <lascar> "Settings"
[09:44] <lascar> icon is a wrench
[09:44] <sara> got it
[09:45] <lascar> ok, so now click on it, go to "Internet and Network", and then "Network Settings"
[09:45] <lascar> and try the aforementioned procedure
[09:46] <sara> i am getting sick of typing my wep
[09:46] <genii> Anyone remeber where to add more consoles? /etc/ttys or something?
[09:47] <lascar> sara: i know how you feel
[09:47] <lascar> copy and paste
[09:47] <sara> it doesnt let me
[09:47] <lascar> just highlight it; should be stored in klipper
[09:49] <sara> nothing, still
[09:49] <sara> do you know how to change the driver through ndiswrapper
[09:49] <lascar> sara: no
[09:49] <lascar> sorry it's such a hassle
[09:50] <sara> I am positive that is what i need to do, it is all I read when I see my card and linux on the same page
[09:50] <lascar> what's your model again?
[09:50] <sara> awll3026
[09:53] <lascar> maker?
[09:53] <sara> airlink
[09:53] <Ace_NoOne> Hi! I'm about to install Kubuntu; I've booted from the live CD - now I first need to create a partition, right? Or will the install wizard guide me through that as well?
[09:53] <lascar> the wizard will guide
[09:53] <Ace_NoOne> thx
[09:53] <sara> my card is on this list http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[09:54] <sara> # 35 on the list
[09:57] <stdin> hmm, inittab not on feisty
[09:57] <stdin> strange
[09:57] <genii> It was inittab .. then the next question becomes... if more consoles than function keys which ALT-<key?> for console 13+ ?
[09:58] <Ace_NoOne> which filesystem should I (as a beginner) use? EXT3?
[09:58] <genii> stdin This box is a 6.06
[09:58] <lascar> ace: yes
[09:58] <ForgeAus> ext3, or xfs
[09:58] <stdin> genii: usually right alt is tty 13+
[09:58] <Ace_NoOne> k
[09:58] <lascar> sara: apparently, under dapper the Atheros chipset is supported via the Madwifi drivers...
[09:58] <lascar> brb
[09:58] <genii> stdin Starting at f1 again?
[09:59] <stdin> genii: yeah
[09:59] <genii> stdin thx :)
[09:59] <sara> what does that mean I should do? lascar?
[09:59] <stdin> inittab is in 6.10, but not 7.04, don't know why tho
[09:59] <Ace_NoOne> why does the wizard tell me to "create a swap partition of at least 256 MB"? Is that really necessary or just for sharing files with another OS?
[09:59] <Jucato> maybe it's part of the transition to upstart?
[09:59] <Linux_Galore> maybe because ubntu doesnt use init anymore
[09:59] <genii> maybe they are moving to sysvinit system
[09:59] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu*
[10:00] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: swap isn't for sharing files with another OS
[10:00] <Jucato> genii: moving *from* sys v init
[10:00] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: swap is a space on your hard drive that will be used in case you run out of available RAM
[10:00] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: it's like a page file in windows
[10:00] <genii> Jucato My error :)
[10:01] <Ace_NoOne> ah I see - but it's a separate partition here
[10:01] <stdin> it's more efficient that way
[10:01] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: yes. for performance reasons, it's usually best to put swap on a separate partition
[10:01] <genii> stdin You have something like rc.conf dir in /etc?
[10:01] <Ace_NoOne> yeah, makes sense
[10:01] <stdin> you can have a swap file too
[10:01] <FisherP> is anyone a LAMP expert here??
[10:01] <Ace_NoOne> so I better go for 512 MB there (got ~7.5 GB in total)
[10:01] <hyper_ch> Ace_NoOne: you use vmware?
[10:01] <Jucato> (actually, the same goes for virtual page/memory on XP...)
[10:01] <Ace_NoOne> hyper_ch: nope, using my laptop as a test system
[10:01] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: how much RAM do you have?
[10:01] <lascar> sara: http://madwifi.org/
[10:01] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: 512 MB
[10:02] <Jucato> hm... yeah, 512MB swap would be good
[10:02] <Ace_NoOne> cool - thanks guys
[10:02] <stdin> genii: I have rc.d. no rc.conf
[10:02] <hyper_ch> Ace_NoOne: just wanting to point out that loading vmwae in virtual file makes it also slower... but on its own partition it's way more efficient
[10:02] <Ace_NoOne> I see
[10:02] <lascar> sara: this card isn't usb, right?
[10:02] <genii> stdin OK thx...just wondering. *bsd has this system
[10:02] <sara> it is usb
[10:02] <Ace_NoOne> and the swap partition should be an extended, not a primary one!?
[10:03] <sara> lascar  ^^
[10:03] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: it can be anything
[10:03] <genii> stdin tho there it is usually in /usr/local/etc/rc.conf
[10:03] <Ace_NoOne> well, since I won't boot from it, extended sounds like a good idea (not that I really knew a lot about the difference there... )
[10:03] <stdin> genii: I have /usr/local/etc/, but it's empty
[10:05] <lascar> ah!
[10:05] <genii> stdin I really need to install latest Feisty someplace I can afford to poke around in it LOL
[10:05] <sara> lascar, anything I should know?
[10:05] <genii> lascar Well that explains a lot! ROFL
[10:06] <stdin> genii: I have it on a separate small partition, on my main PC
[10:06] <lascar> genii: :-D
[10:06] <genii> mount usbfs   and so on
[10:06] <lascar> sara: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility
[10:07] <lascar> sara, you wouldn't happen to have any other wifi cards, would you?
[10:07] <sara> what are you saying?  USB not supposrted?
[10:07] <genii> stdin Just curious... when df   how many Gb? About maybe 2.5-2.8 ?
[10:08] <lascar> from the wiki: " Please also note:  there are No USB devices supported by MadWifi.  No USB devices are likely to be supported any time soon."
[10:08] <genii> stdin (used to install)
[10:08] <sara> yeah
[10:08] <sara> so, once again... if only I knew how to use ndiswrapper
[10:08] <genii> stdin Trying to figure what partition sizes I may need
[10:08] <sara> I thought we had it for a second though
[10:08] <sara> haha
[10:08] <stdin> genii: i've install loads now, but it was about 2.5-3GB (with kde)
[10:09] <genii> stdin OK, thx :)
[10:09] <stdin> that /etc/rc.d/ dir has strange permissions: d--------- 2 root root 4096 2006-12-23 19:04 /etc/rc.d/
[10:09] <stdin> set to 000
[10:09] <genii> stdin Yeah thats to prevent insertion of malicious startup code
[10:10] <stdin> all it has in it is rc.inet1 and rc.inet1.conf
[10:10] <lascar> there may be a way, it just has to be found
[10:11] <sara> yeah
[10:11] <sara> i wish I could find the way
[10:12] <genii> lascar They lie - my Ovislink usb wifi adapter works perfectly
[10:12] <dope> is there like a taskmanager type application
[10:12] <genii> hmm some ps gui?
[10:12] <genii> !kps
[10:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kps - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:12] <genii> heh worth a try
[10:13] <Ace_NoOne> correction: the swap partition cannot be an extended one, as the wizard doesn't list it afterwards then (when having to select a swap partition)
[10:14] <stdin> genii: ps gui? like ksysguard ?
[10:14] <genii> stdin uhoh the screen I have that fsck running on is scrolling off like mad with bad inodes
[10:14] <lascar> genii: hmm
[10:14] <stdin> genii: not good
[10:14] <lascar> sara: do you have wpasupplicant installed
[10:14] <sara> probably not
[10:14] <sara> but its wep anyway
[10:14] <lascar> check
[10:14] <genii> stdin Likely ksysguard :)
[10:15] <genii> !ksysgurad
[10:15] <genii> arg
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksysgurad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:15] <genii> !ksysguard
[10:15] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 485 kB, installed size 1564 kB
[10:15] <stdin> well ksysguard is the taskmanager equivalent, and it's installed in kubuntu by default
[10:15] <sara> lascar, its installed
[10:15] <stdin> kmenu -> system -> ksysguard
[10:16] <lascar> ok
[10:16] <stdin> (there is a key combo, but I don't remember it)
[10:17] <genii> stdin You know what I'd like to see? A key with a penguin on it instead of that crappy Windoze logo
[10:18] <genii> I'd even pay extra
[10:18] <stdin> I'm sure you can get one somewhere :p
[10:20] <Ace_NoOne> genii: http://www.york.lug.org.uk/installday2004/gallery/07-the_linux_keyboard_in_action.jpg
[10:20] <FisherP> is anyone a LAMP expert here??
[10:20] <genii> Ace_NoOne Woohoo!
[10:20] <Ace_NoOne> genii: might be custom made tho
[10:20] <stdin> I've never wanted anything more :P
[10:20] <Ace_NoOne> I just fired up google...
[10:21] <genii> FisherP Having some mysql issue?
[10:21] <vge> how do i do a basic http tunneling, i need to get in touch with webpage inside my corporate network?
[10:22] <genii> Ace_NoOne I just printed that out to hang on my wall :)
[10:22] <Ace_NoOne> genii, or buy this: http://www.cherry.de/english/products/keyboards_master-linux.htm
[10:22] <FisherP> genii: no, apache won't load the PHP extensions... I get my webserver asking me if i want to save the php file :-|
[10:22] <genii> hehee
[10:23] <FisherP> genii: and before you ask I believe I've done everything by the book and everything is installed
[10:23] <sara> lascar, on a second note, do you know where I can control my fan speed?
[10:24] <sara> its full blast all the time
[10:24] <lascar> sara: i can't seem to help you there either :-(
[10:24] <sara> lascar, its not a big deal, I apperciate the time you spent with me
[10:24] <genii> FisherP Check in the /etc/apache2/sites_enabled dir for the file which has what aliases to what dirs, then make sure the dir where the php script is has a setting in there to be executable. There should be a primitive sample in the file commented out
[10:24] <lascar> your welcome, sara
[10:27] <HellRazor> Anybody awake?
[10:29] <FisherP> genii: OK there's a file 000-default in the dir and the line of intrest says "DocumentRoot /var/www"
[10:30] <FisherP> genii the permissions are set root.root 770
[10:30] <genii> FisherP Normally you want some subdir of /var/www   eg:  /var/www/mystuff    then you make an alias entry for that in the file you see there and in the line for Options you add something akin to ExecCGI or perhaps just Exec
[10:30] <genii> Exact syntax I ferget atm
[10:31] <pynsa> hi folks
[10:31] <genii> FisherP You need to sudo  some editor to change it but thats where it need to be put in
[10:32] <FisherP> genii I will try with phpmyadmin... that's installed
[10:32] <genii> FisherP... hangon... when you browse to a php file in the web browser, it runs or it displays as text?
[10:33] <genii> Or it prompts to d/l it?
[10:33] <FisherP> genii the browser askes if i want to D/L it
[10:35] <genii> FisherP OK, then it's with the apache settings for how to handle that kind of file. So long as you have mod_php5 or equivelent installed, you just need to make sure that www user owns the dir scripts are in, that they are executable set, and that the alias entry in the file mentioned says apache is allowed to execute them
[10:37] <genii> FisherP You can use one of the already installed alias entries  like /doc/   near the bottom as an example to follow, just add the right dir for where your php stuff is in and add that Exec or ExecCGI line in the Options  area
[10:38] <FisherP> genii: so the user:group should be www.www ???
[10:38] <FisherP> not root.root?
[10:38] <genii> FisherP no hangon I'll look it up on my box here
[10:39] <genii> www-data
[10:39] <Ace_NoOne> now that I've installed Kubuntu, how can I edit the boot manager to have Windows as the primary OS (i.e. if I don't select Kubuntu after ~5 secs, Windows should boot)
[10:40] <genii> woohoo fsck finished :)
[10:43] <vge> someone can help me with tunneling?
[10:44] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne:edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:44] <Ace_NoOne> thx FisherP
[10:44] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne: NP there's a line "default 0", change that one
[10:45] <genii> vge If what you are trying to do is reach a webpage behind your router someplace you likely need to port-forward tcp port 80 on your router to whatever the internal IP of the machine which is hosting the page
[10:45] <ForgeAus> why didn't windows 2000/XP retain HPFS support?
[10:45] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne: Y would u want to default to Windoze :-p
[10:45] <Ace_NoOne> FisherP: cuz I'm not the only user of that laptop...
[10:46] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne: :-(. you can also hide the grub menu so that all you see is "pres Esc for grub menu" or some such thing as that
[10:47] <Ace_NoOne> cool how would I do that
[10:47] <stdin> you just uncomment #hiddenmenu in menu.list
[10:47] <stdin> *menu.lst
[10:48] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne: there's a line "#hiddenmenu" remove the "#"
[10:48] <FisherP> stdin:beat me 2 it
[10:48] <Ace_NoOne> oh right ;D - still in the process of figuring out how to edit that file at all; I know about su/sudo (though I'm not sure what exactly the difference is), but that's command line
[10:48] <Ace_NoOne> oh wait, there's a "edit as root" entry
[10:48] <FisherP> :)
[10:48] <stdin> FisherP :D
[10:49] <FisherP> I'm a linux user from way back still have issues once in a while... I normally have kterminal up with about a min of 3 terminals
[10:49] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: you don't use su in *buntu
[10:50] <Ace_NoOne> `how come
[10:50] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: because you use sudo instead
[10:50] <Ace_NoOne> where's the difference
[10:50] <stdin> !sudo
[10:50] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:50] <Ace_NoOne> thx
[10:51] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne: you can still use su <user> but root is deactivated
[10:51] <Ace_NoOne> I still don't see the difference between su and sudo tho
[10:51] <stdin> genii: I wounder if 'sudo sudo command' will work :p
[10:51] <genii> su = Substitute User   sudo= SuperUser Do
[10:51] <stdin> it dose :D
[10:51] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne you can reactivate root, but it's a security issue that the pple at ubuntu made
[10:51] <FisherP> rofl
[10:52] <Jucato> um... or su = Switch User, sudo = Switch User Do
[10:52] <Jucato> :P
[10:52] <Ace_NoOne> oh I see - I thought su was "super user" (sorry for being newbie-ish)
[10:52] <stdin> su allows anyone who knows the root pass to become root, with sudo you use your own password, and have to be in either the adm group or in /etc/sudoers
[10:53] <Ace_NoOne> learning a new OS is a bitch - what have I gotten myself into... *sigh*
[10:53] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne a lot of pple do. I sometimes use su to switch to my wifes' privaleges to do maintenance stuff for her
[10:53] <FisherP> :)
[10:54] <stdin> FisherP: you can use sudo to do that too :p
[10:54] <Ace_NoOne> FisherP: switch to your wife's privileges - like this: http://xkcd.com/c149.html ?
[10:54] <FisherP> learning expands your brain and helps prevent alzhimers !!!
[10:54] <Ace_NoOne> FisherP: yeah, but it also takes effort... :P
[10:55] <FisherP> Ace_NoOne:ROFL, I liked the comic
[10:55] <ForgeAus> Ace I Agree its difficult to change but  it gets easier....
[10:55] <Ace_NoOne> FisherP: read through all of them, XKCD is awesome
[10:56] <Ace_NoOne> ForgeAus: I'm not complaining, really - after all, I chose to make the switch
[10:56] <ForgeAus> I think switching to kubuntu is a great idea
[10:56] <genii> The linux learning curve is somewhat steep for most ppl but so worth it in the end
[10:57] <FisherP> yeah but it's not as steep as what it used to be
[10:57] <ForgeAus> it was my first real Linux O/S that I actually USED...
[10:57] <genii> FisherP The entire *buntu series has had a *lot* to do with making linux accessible to your average joe
[10:57] <ForgeAus> I had a few installed long ago but had no Idea what I was doing with
[10:57] <ScarFreewill> need help to share a ntfs hdd
[10:58] <ForgeAus> scar from in windows?
[10:58] <dreamer> I get this error on boot (since I mounted an usb-drive): [42949374.470000]  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on un known-block(0,0)
[10:58] <ForgeAus> just right click go into sharing or properties
[10:58] <Ace_NoOne> ForgeAus: same here - I'd tried Mandrake 9.1 ages ago, IIRC, but I couldn't even get the modem (good old days :D ) to run there
[10:58] <ForgeAus> (you might need to set file and printer sharing on in network connections
[10:58] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: on
[10:58] <thomas_> l
[10:58] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: no
[10:59] <FisherP> genii: i agree and it's with the work they (you ??) do, supported by the debian community at large which I feel will take linux to the next level
[10:59] <genii> dreamer Is there some fstab entry for your usb drive with vfs as the filetype???
[10:59] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: i want to share with smb
[10:59] <dreamer> genii: dunno, I'm in knoppix atm
[10:59] <ForgeAus> Scar its not running tho is it?
[10:59] <dreamer> where can I check this?
[11:00] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: mounted in fstab like this UUID=7834C83534C7F462 /media/sdb1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[11:00] <ForgeAus> if you have windows in a virtual machine you might be able to share it to linux as ag uest...
[11:00] <thomas_> ;
[11:00] <genii> dreamer Actually I suspect after examing more your error that the USB drive is taking over the primary spot your / partition was being mounted at previously
[11:00] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: how must i set my umask so smb can share it?
[11:00] <FisherP> is there a way to rebuild the Edgy fstab??? I made a noob mistake
[11:00] <ForgeAus> sorry umask is over my head
[11:00] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: no
[11:01] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: *np
[11:01] <Ace_NoOne> my touchpad is awefully fickle; whenever I type, I accidently move the pointer or even click - any way to decrease sensitivity?
[11:01] <genii> dreamer What does it see the usb drive as? sda1 or so?
[11:01] <dreamer> genii: hmm, how can I unmount/remove the usb-disk now? it's not connected anymore
[11:01] <ForgeAus> smb I get but from a disk that isn't being ran from XP I have no idea...
[11:01] <dreamer> genii: I believe it was sda1 yes
[11:02] <genii> dreamer If it is currently unplugged you should be able to boot as before
[11:02] <FisherP> ne way I'm out, time for desert and bed..... have fun :-)
[11:02] <genii> FisherP Have a good one
[11:02] <dreamer> genii: no I can;t that's the problem
[11:02] <Ace_NoOne> bye FisherP
[11:02] <ForgeAus> if you just want to share out from a mounted NTFS disk you need to make sure the SMB (like linNeighbourhood or pyneighbourhood) has that capablitly
[11:02] <genii> dreamer OK... you are on knoppix live then, yes?
[11:02] <FisherP> genii, Ace_NoOne, u2
[11:02] <dreamer> genii: yes
[11:03] <ScarFreewill> i think thats the problem smb doesn't have accesss to the nfts hdd and to solve it i need to mount it defferantly
[11:03] <genii> dreamer start a konsole then type in   mount  and see if you have something like what old HD would be mounted. eg: sda1 or so
[11:04] <genii> dreamer I forget if knoppix tries to mount all filesystems it sees under somewhere like /media/something   or /mnt/something
[11:04] <ForgeAus> Scar you need at least read access possibly read/write to be able to select files/folders to share out....
[11:05] <dreamer> genii: hmm, no sda1
[11:05] <ScarFreewill> ForgeAus: i am having problems with understanding the 777/007 permitions thingy
[11:05] <dreamer> /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,devmode=0666)
[11:05] <dreamer> automount(pid2317) on /mnt/auto type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=2317,minproto=2,maxproto=4)
[11:05] <dreamer> /UNIONFS/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (ro,nosuid,nodev)
[11:05] <dreamer> ohw, sorry
[11:05] <dreamer> pastebin next time!
[11:06] <ForgeAus> permissions ahh NTFS has extras
[11:06] <dreamer> genii: check my paste
[11:06] <genii> dreamer Yes pastebin is good :)  So for now we try to make a temp dir to try and mount what should be old /  so something like  mkdir /mnt/temp     then try  mounting the old one like:   mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/temp    then see if you can  ls   anything in that dir
[11:06] <ScarFreewill> the hdd is only umask=007 i need to change it so smb can use it
[11:06] <vge> genii: so basically i cant do the tunneling myself?
[11:07] <ForgeAus> I don't know the way its organized I just know it has more permissions for ACL's than FAT had (which was just read only, system, hidden, etc... flags, they're not even same as permissions really.... similar tho)....
[11:07] <dreamer> genii: from the konsole
[11:07] <genii> vge No, you need admin access to the router to make it pass traffic to something inside on the lan
[11:07] <vge> genii: ty
[11:08] <dreamer> genii: ls into the dir, so the usb-drive shou;ld be attached?
[11:08] <ScarFreewill> i normally go to http://wootgnu.org/chmod.bas to help me :)
[11:08] <genii> dreamer The usb drive is unplugged, yes?
[11:08] <ForgeAus> I do know permissions in linux are in three sets, read write execute all of them each each for owner, group and world...
[11:08] <dreamer> genii:  yes
[11:09] <genii> dreamer Is your normal hd an IDE or SATA or SCSI?
[11:09] <dreamer> IDE
[11:09] <ForgeAus> grrr lol I hate it when I edit a line and I left in some stuff that messes up my grammar/doubles up on words, etc..
[11:09] <VMT2007> Hmm, what IRC client do you all recommend?
[11:09] <VMT2007> XChat is too... crappy for me.
[11:09] <dreamer> irssi
[11:09] <genii> dreamer OK, pls bear with me:) I cannot scroll up to check things in my irc client.
[11:09] <ForgeAus> VMT depends on what kind of irc client you like
[11:09] <dreamer> genii: ok
[11:09] <ForgeAus> Konversation is good under kde
[11:09] <VMT2007> Well, not a console IRC client, lol
[11:10] <dreamer> genii: I did the mount, like you said
[11:10] <dreamer> VMT2007: oh :P
[11:10] <genii> dreamer So mount  shows hda1 someplace, yeah?
[11:10] <VMT2007> I liked irssi back when I was exclusively a tty user
[11:10] <ForgeAus> Gaim is a possibility
[11:10] <ForgeAus> (moreso than kopete)
[11:10] <Ace_NoOne> how can I log on automatically? apparently Gnome has an app called GDM for that - what's the KDE equivalent?
[11:10] <ForgeAus> although kopete theres nothing really wromg with it if you can get used to the display....
[11:10] <dreamer> genii: /UNIONFS/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (ro,nosuid,nodev)  << this one
[11:11] <VMT2007> but my friend would look at me in a weird way when I skillfully typed all those commands in with speed and accuracy in FreeBSD
[11:11] <genii> dreamer OK, so go to /mnt/hda1/etc  and look at fstab  file. If you see some references to sda  devices comment them out
[11:11] <VMT2007> friends*
[11:11] <VMT2007> and family
[11:12] <genii> dreamer in that fstab which /dev/device   is it saying to mount  as  /  ?
[11:12] <ForgeAus> VMT truely I'm not sure there is a good gui IRC client under *nix... Konversation or Gaim are the only two possibilities I could think of recommending
[11:12] <genii> VMT2007 :) I still love FreeBSD
[11:12] <ForgeAus> (aside from X-Chat which you said you didn't want)
[11:12] <dreamer> genii: in fstab there is no sda1, only hda1, swap @ hda5, cdrom and floppy
[11:13] <VMT2007> inserting an audio CD, mounting it, and typing in a huge command line and music comes out the speakers...
[11:13] <VMT2007> people would look at me like if I was some kind of witch...
[11:13] <VMT2007> or warlock
[11:13] <dreamer> VMT2007: you are
[11:14] <genii> dreamer in the line for hda1   which fs does it say? ext3 ?
[11:14] <dreamer> genii: yes
[11:14] <genii> dreamer Hmm OK let me think please
[11:14] <dreamer> haha, no prob, thnx for helping :)
[11:14] <dreamer> I'm guessing it's from the usb-drive I mounted (and not unmounted properly I thought) yesterday
[11:15] <ForgeAus> ext3 is something oyu need to be careful to unmount
[11:15] <dreamer> ForgeAus: I don't want to unmount that, it's the base-disk
[11:16] <genii> dreamer Did you try to install some OS on the usb drive?
[11:16] <ForgeAus> pxe :)
[11:16] <dreamer> genii: no., just access it for some data (which it didn't contain (N64 roms)
[11:16] <ForgeAus> lol I got some of them
[11:16] <dreamer> but I didn't unmount, just pulled it out, and now after boot it won't boot up
[11:17] <genii> hmmm
[11:17] <ForgeAus> Mario 64, starcraft, KI2, pokemon and so no...
[11:17] <dreamer> so I'm just guessing it's related
[11:17] <dreamer> ForgeAus: cool, where'd you get em?
[11:17] <ForgeAus> online
[11:17] <ForgeAus> mostly through IRC emulation channels
[11:17] <ForgeAus> on various networks
[11:17] <dreamer> don;t even know if this pc will run it even, anyway, gotta boot it first before anything else
[11:17] <ForgeAus> most of them don't exist anymore tho
[11:18] <dreamer> ok, we wanted to try mariokart, which emulator do you use?
[11:18] <cato> where can I get the svg-sources for the images used in the kdm-"kubuntu O2"-Theme?
[11:18] <VMT2007> Is xchat-kde good?
[11:18] <genii> dreamer So grub starts, then starts loading the kernel, then mount / fails ?
[11:18] <ForgeAus> Xchat-kde?
[11:18] <dreamer> genii: let me get the exact error again
[11:18] <ForgeAus> I knew there was an X-Chat and an X-Chat Gnome but Xchat-kde is new to me
[11:18] <genii> dreamer Thank you
[11:18] <dreamer> I get this error on boot (since I mounted an usb-drive): [42949374.470000]  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on un known-block(0,0)
[11:19] <dreamer> I get this error on boot (since I mounted an usb-drive): [42949374.470000]  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on un known-block(0,0)
[11:19] <VMT2007> saw it somewhere
[11:19] <dreamer> woops
[11:19] <ForgeAus> VMT try it :)
[11:19] <ForgeAus> lemme know if you like it!
[11:19] <VMT2007> oh some guy's side project
[11:19] <VMT2007> not really beyond the drawing board it seems
[11:19] <ForgeAus> personally I don't like the gnome vers
[11:19] <VMT2007> the hell with that...
[11:19] <genii> dreamer If you hit ESC at grub before kernel load can you select safe-mode kernel to boot?
[11:20] <VMT2007> rofl i found it in a mailing list message -- from 2002
[11:20] <dreamer> genii: yes, same error
[11:20] <dreamer> just takes longer to get there :P
[11:20] <ForgeAus> an ieview/ietab plugin for Linux would be funny :)
[11:21] <genii> dreamer from knoppix umount the /mnt/hda1    then do fsck on /dev/hda1
[11:21] <ForgeAus> entirely unnecessary of course... at least I think so...
[11:21] <genii> dreamer if lots of errors ctrl-c to escape then do  fsck -y /dev/hda1
[11:21] <dreamer> genii: yes, you sure?
[11:21] <grayman> greetings
[11:22] <genii> dreamer Well, it is not good idea to fsck a mounted drive
[11:22] <grayman> can anyone tellme what was the file where you set your nameserv ip?
[11:22] <genii> grayman resolv.conf
[11:22] <dreamer> umount: /mnt/hda1: device is busy << genii
[11:22] <grayman> aha
[11:22] <grayman> thanks
[11:22] <Jucato>  /etc/resolv.conf
[11:23] <dope> does amarok do podcasts?
[11:23] <genii> dreamer if at command prompt you are sitting in the /mnt/hda1 dir it cannot unmount :)
[11:23] <dreamer> genii: ah, I was still there :] 
[11:24] <dreamer> genii: /dev/hda1: clean, 55459/1198208 files, 1661320/2393677 blocks (check in 4 mounts)
[11:24] <genii> dreamer Hmm this one is a puzzler
[11:24] <dreamer> hehe, anyone like puzzles? ;)
[11:26] <abstruck> hi, anyone using python2.5? on another pc i've experienced some problems during the transition... e.g. python-central gave errors
[11:27] <genii> dreamer Please remount hda1 then pastebin a ls -ld *  of /mnt/hda1/boot
[11:28] <kwtm> I'm trying to remember the name of a Linux arcade game I saw before; it might be a KDE game.  A number of balls bounce around in a rectangular space, and you have to keep dividing that space in half at the right instant so that all the balls are trapped in the same half of the space.  Anyone know the name of the game, so I can apt-get install it?
[11:28] <genii> dreamer ls -ld /mnt/hda1/boot/*       even
[11:28] <dreamer> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ?
[11:28] <genii> Qix
[11:28] <genii> ^ name of game
[11:29] <kwtm> genii: Qix?  Okay, thanks, will look into that.
[11:29] <ForgeAus> abstruck wish I knew how to help!
[11:29] <genii> kwtm :)
[11:29] <ForgeAus> I like python, but I suck at it
[11:29] <ForgeAus> kwtm? is that some kinda windows manager?
[11:29] <dreamer> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/422/
[11:30] <ForgeAus> oh a nickname! lol sorry
[11:30] <genii> dreamer OK I'll return
[11:30] <ForgeAus> hmmm kdevelop under zenwalk... now thats a thought
[11:30] <kwtm> genii: Qix seems to be similar, but not quite what I'm looking for.  I remember in the old days of the IBM PCjr, a game like "Styx" was similar.
[11:31] <VSpike> Can anyone recommed a linux newsreader that would appeal to an XNews user?
[11:31] <kwtm> ForgeAus: No, I'm referring to a game.  When you trap bouncing balls into a smaller and smaller space that's finally small enough, then you win that level, and then you move onto the next level where there are more simultaneous bouncing balls.
[11:31] <ForgeAus> qix isn't htat one of those tron-like games, or jezzball and stuff? boucy things and cutting screen areas up by lines?
[11:31] <ForgeAus> jezzball is what that game is called for windows
[11:31] <ForgeAus> dunno any other name it goes by
[11:32] <ForgeAus> it was part of microsofts windows entertainment pack
[11:32] <kwtm> ForgeAus: Oh, you mean is "kwtm" a window manager! :) :) My initials are K.W.T., but there is no element in the periodic table with "T" so I use "Tm", so it's sort of like a "Trade Mark".  Get it?  So it's K W Tm (potassium tungsten thulium)
[11:32] <kwtm> ForgeAus: okay, I will google for "jezzball linux"
[11:32] <dreamer> VMT2007: you have those roms online somewhere
[11:33] <ForgeAus> um it'd probably run under wine! lol
[11:33] <ForgeAus> vmt try romnation website
[11:33] <ForgeAus> or romhustler
[11:33] <genii> dreamer It appears to me that somehow the initrd file got altered and is no longer any good
[11:33] <ForgeAus> you can d/l snes, arcade and a few others from ther eoyu might be lucky to find N64 ones
[11:34] <dreamer> genii: huhm, damnit, I need to know how I mounted that usb-drive, I did it 'different' somehow (had to google, don;t know on what)
[11:34] <genii> dreamer alteration date on it is Jan3
[11:35] <dreamer> that1' yesterday ...
[11:35] <ForgeAus> either that or check out any of undernet or efnet irc network's EmuRoms channels
[11:35] <dreamer> hmmm, what is there to fix?
[11:35] <dreamer> ForgeAus: thnx ForgeAus, you know what specs you needto run roms?
[11:35] <genii> dreamer If I were you I would chance browsing to the repos by http and then d/l the *exact* same kernel version initrd.img then put it in /mnt/hda1/boot    but backup the old one first
[11:36] <ForgeAus> specs? um not sure...
[11:36] <kwtm> ForgeAus: Hmm, I think I've located the name of the game I'm looking for via googling for "jezzball": it's "kbounce".  I'll go check if that's the one.
[11:36] <ForgeAus> kbounce! yeah I heard of it
[11:36] <ForgeAus> didn't try it yet tho
[11:36] <ForgeAus> i just assumed it was a ball bouncing like marble madness or  something
[11:36] <dreamer> genii: hmmmmm, I feel too noob to do that :#
[11:37] <ForgeAus> kgames are kewl
[11:37] <tek_> dreamer you can also make a new initrd.img with mkinitrd
[11:37] <ForgeAus> I really like the shishensou and mahjongg ones anyhow
[11:37] <genii> dreamer I can walk you thru it if you like
[11:37] <kwtm> Okay, I found it!  Thanks.  Bye, all!
[11:38] <ForgeAus> awesome :)
[11:38] <ForgeAus> hav fun
[11:38] <ForgeAus> I hope you can play it better than I can! lol
[11:38] <ForgeAus> I suck at that games
[11:38] <ForgeAus> grr game
[11:38] <genii> dreamer The other option as I see it right now would have to be a reinstall
[11:38] <genii> dreamer Altho someone else may have ideas of other approaches
[11:39] <dreamer> genii: tek_ said something worth trying perhaps
[11:39] <dreamer> tek_: can you explain? I'm in knoppix right now
[11:39] <tek_> im researching it a bit now. i have used this many times before
[11:40] <tek_> it looks like kubuntu might not have it. let me login to one of my other boxes real quick
[11:40] <genii> dreamer Since you are on a knoppix livecd it would be more difficult to install and use mkinitrd than just finding a premade one from the ubuntu repos
[11:40] <dreamer> genii: ok, yeah I thought that, let me see if I can find it ..
[11:40] <VMT2007> why does KDE tend to save every session and start up the same programs every time you start up?
[11:40] <sebokie> hello
[11:41] <tek_> actually what it does is you tell it what kernel to make the initrd image against and it builts it.
[11:41] <deadcake_> someone can help me? i have just rebooted my pc and now i can't hear nothing..oh damn :(
[11:41] <sebokie> i need help
[11:41] <dreamer> tek_: also from knoppix?
[11:41] <VMT2007> !justask
[11:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:41] <tek_> not 100% sure that knoppix has it on it, but i think it does. i know debian does
[11:41] <genii> tek_ If you want to walk him through it, I'm up for hanging around to see how it goes :)
[11:42] <tek_> all of there are debian derivatives
[11:42] <tek_> give me a minute to check the syntax
[11:42] <dreamer> tek_: and can I tell it to make it in /mnt/hda1/boot/ ?
[11:42] <sebokie> i would like to run a command automatically on starp of my xgl session
[11:42] <sebokie> on startup
[11:43] <genii> dreamer What ubuntu ver you have on hda1 again? Dapper?
[11:43] <lachlan> can somebody give me the links to the help pages for xgl and compiz?
[11:43] <dreamer> genii: edgy
[11:43] <gnomefreak> lachlan: join #ubuntu-xgl and look in the topic ;)
[11:43] <genii> dreamer OK
[11:43] <tek_> see if you have mkinitrd on knoppix...just open up a shell and type mkinit and hit tab twice and see if its there
[11:44] <genii> AFK a bit
[11:44] <dreamer> tek_: it is
[11:45] <dreamer> ok, gotta let some friends out, brb
[11:45] <tek_> sweet, your in luck, ok, let me get the syntax for you.
[11:45] <tek_> your going to want to be in the /boot directory to run this and you need to have mounted the drive in read/write mode
[11:46] <fiandre> hi all, is it possible to make a remote login and control a pc graphically, trhough a new window without using VNC?
[11:46] <tek_> and that is the /boot of the device you have it installed on. probably would be /mnt/hda1/boot if its a ide drive and /mnt/sda1/boot if its a sata or scsi disk
[11:47] <dope> has anyone been able to get the adultswim.com fix to work?
[11:47] <tek_> dope... what AS fix?// <-- robochicken junky
[11:47] <genii> fiandre ssh
[11:47] <dope> that's what i'm lookin for
[11:48] <genii> fiandre Sorry, not graphically
[11:48] <dope> a fix for the fix :P
[11:48] <tek_> what is it supposed to fix is what im asking
[11:48] <fiandre> I need a graphical tool
[11:48] <dope> no i'm asking if anyone has been able to access "the fix" on adultswim.com
[11:48] <tek_> fiandre use krdc
[11:48] <tek_> ahh, i see dope... sorry
[11:48] <dope> because i'd like to view it
[11:49] <vado> Bonjoir
[11:49] <tek_> watching AS now on tv
[11:49] <dope> i'm gonna email them
[11:49] <balsamic_chicken> can anyone see this
[11:49] <balsamic_chicken> what i'm typing that is
[11:49] <tek_> please do, there site sucks in linux.
[11:49] <genii> balsamic_chicken Yes
[11:49] <scott> can anybody help me with amarok?
[11:50] <tek_> amarok ROKS!
[11:50] <tek_> scott, what is the prob with it?
[11:50] <balsamic_chicken> genii thx, i was just seeing if i needed to log in before i can use my nickname
[11:50] <scott> mine doesn't play my mp3s
[11:50] <fiandre> tek_: it uses vnc
[11:50] <fiandre> tek_: i would like to access to a remote desktop graphically using ssh
[11:51] <dope> i just emailed them
[11:51] <tek_> fiandre yes it does
[11:51] <Ace_NoOne> hmm - I edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to start Windows by default, but it still boots to Kubuntu! Does Kubuntu even use GRUB by default?
[11:51] <tek_> scott do you know about automatix?
[11:51] <tek_> yes ace it does
[11:51] <scott> tek_ heard of it, but don't have it
[11:51] <genii> fiandre There is a remote X server but I forget the exact way to set it up. You would need to google or ask around
[11:51] <fiandre> tek_: but it sees only vnc servers in the lan... why not the ssh?
[11:51] <Ace_NoOne> that's odd, because there is some menu where the "use GRUB" checkbox wasn't active!?
[11:52] <tek_> scott, you definetly want to install it, mp3s and everything else will work once you do
[11:52] <scott> tek_ where would i get that?
[11:52] <larson9999> dope what's wrong with adultswim.com?  i just looked and don't see anything wrong.
[11:52] <tek_> just google for automatix
[11:54] <tek_> fiandre, you just need to put in the ip of the machine you want to connect to.... hit the examples link
[11:54] <larson9999> tek_: while i've never used it, i heard automatix has problems.  not true?
[11:54] <tek_> i have used it on a LOT of systems now... never had a issue
[11:54] <tek_> automatix is very cool stuff....no issues other than if you install the gnome verion on kde or visa versa
[11:55] <larson9999> tek_: maybe i'll give it a go on the next machine i setup.  but installing things by hand is pretty easy as well.
[11:56] <tek_> yes, larson9999 i installed alot of it by hand before i knew about automatix but there is nothing easier.
[11:56] <fiandre> tek_: i can't insert this ip in the program's gui
[11:57] <ubuntu> hi to all
[11:57] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Pls, stop with the spurious name changes... it's... annoying
[11:57] <tek_> fiandre, if the ip your connecting to was 10.1.1.1 you would put vnc:/fiandre@10.1.1.1
[11:57] <fiandre> tek_: it works only for vnc protocol....
[11:57] <fiandre> tek_: ok but
[11:57] <fiandre> i want it works for ssh
[11:58] <tek_> no, it works for rdp also i use it to administer windows boxes all over the place
[11:58] <fiandre> i tried this: ssh://root@192.106.230.46
[11:58] <fiandre> it doesn't work
[11:58] <larson9999> tek_: so with automatix if you're using kde you can use automatix to install 'kde' programs and then if you want gnome programs you install them after automatix?
[11:58] <kay_> !de
[11:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> !jp
[11:58] <tek_> if you want to see the desktop of a linux box you have two choices, vnc or nxmachine
[11:58] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[11:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> !cn
[11:58] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[11:59] <tek_> if you just want to see the files on the machine you can use konqueror
[11:59] <larson9999> nxmachine rocks
[11:59] <tek_> try this... I LOVE THIS TRICK... type fish://user@ip so again for that example i gave before it would be fish://fiandre@10.1.1.1
[11:59] <Balsamic_Chicken> !scim
[11:59] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[12:00] <tek_> put that in the konqueror url window
[12:00] <dreamer> tek_: it's mounted like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/422/
[12:00] <sebokie> hello i have a problem with kdeinit
[12:00] <tek_> checking dreamer..
[12:00] <sebokie> it says "kdeinit could not launch..."
[12:01] <Ace_NoOne> on Login Manager > Shutdown > Miscellaneous, I can select a boot manager - what does that mean?
[12:01] <Ace_NoOne> it's not for the default boot process, is it?
[12:02] <tek_> ok dreamer when you run mount what does it show for hda1?
[12:02] <fiandre> tek_: ok it doesn't support ssh
[12:02] <tek_> it needs to be mounted rw
[12:02] <dreamer> /UNIONFS/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw)
[12:02] <tek_> then you do not have kioslaves installed fiandre.. that basically ssh's you into the other box inside of konqueror
[12:03] <tek_> cool dreamer,
[12:03] <tek_> one sec
[12:03] <dreamer> ok
[12:03] <dreamer> Zd
[12:03] <dreamer> :D
[12:03] <Jucato> fish:/ or sftp:/ ??
[12:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> what is fish..
[12:03] <scott> how can I close a program that is frozen?
[12:03] <fiandre> tek_: which kioslave do you mean?
[12:04] <dreamer> man I'm glad I can open my daap-applet in knoppix, or else I wouldn't have any music :o
[12:04] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: no it's not for the boot manager. it's for shutting down (whichI could never get to work...)
[12:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> on dual booting, can i install kubuntu first on a clean harddrive and then later add on winxp?
[12:04] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: can you show you menu.lst in pastebin?
[12:05] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: usually it's recommended to isntall XP first, then Kubuntu. but it's also possible... you just have to go through extra hoops to set  it up
[12:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> btw on shutting down, sometimes i can hear the tower have a distinct shutdown sound, and i'm pretty sure the harddrive is shutdown, but the fan is still on and i get a blinking cursor on black screen, the computer just doesn't power off, is there any workarounds, sorry for long paragraph, thx
[12:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato cool thx alot, my friend wanted to know =)
[12:05] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: hold on, I have to transfer it from the laptop
[12:06] <Jucato> !pastebin | Ace_NoOne
[12:06] <ubotu> Ace_NoOne: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:06] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: use that (don't paste the whole menu.lst in here :) )
[12:07] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: i know about pastebin; but I haven't set up the internet connection on the laptop yet
[12:07] <tek_> mkinitrd  -k -o /mnt/hda1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10
[12:07] <Ace_NoOne> (just installed Kubuntu)
[12:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i find out what version kubuntu i'm using
[12:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> i know the command should start off: cat /etc/then something here, anyone know
[12:08] <Ace_NoOne> odd - I booted into Windows once, and after a reboot it booted to Windows again; so it remembers the last setting then
[12:08] <Ace_NoOne> maybe I can find that setting in the menu.lst
[12:08] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: lsb_release -a
[12:08] <genii> tek_ I think he needs -server at end of kernel ver there
[12:08] <SAngeli> Hi, I have both this pc and a iMac pc on the same lan and wish to migrate some files from my kubuntu to my new iMac. How can I set my kubuntu up to do so?
[12:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato thx alot
 fish is a kioslave to ssh, just means it enables konqueror to handle other protocols than http and ftp
[12:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> tek_ thx alot, that was good to know just in case =)
[12:10] <tek_> if he does that genii he will overwrite the one he currently has
[12:10] <fiandre> ok i try to repeat:). I can start a remote login session with kdm. therefore, the remote desktop become the MAIN window. I ask: is it possible to start this session as a separate window?
[12:10] <tek_> even if its bad you do not want to wipe it out
[12:10] <Jucato> tek_: there are 2 kioslaves related to ssh right? just not sure which is which. fish:// and sftp://
[12:10] <sebokie> can someone read me?
[12:10] <dreamer> tek_: ok, and rename afterwards?
[12:11] <genii> tek_ I woulda just renamed it with -BACKUP at end LOL
[12:11] <Jucato> sebokie: yes
[12:11] <sebokie> thanks
[12:11] <dreamer> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: The working directory /tmp/mkinitrd.D3tRKv will be kept.
[12:11] <dreamer> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device
[12:11] <dreamer> I did it with sudo ..
[12:11] <tek_> then add a -r /mnt/hda1
[12:12] <dreamer> in the mkinitrd{
[12:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> !fish
[12:12] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21.12-1 (edgy), package size 631 kB, installed size 2560 kB
[12:12] <tek_> yes the -k tells it to keep the temp files
[12:12] <tek_> fish is a shell yes but that is not the same was what i was talking about.
[12:12] <dreamer> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /mnt/hda1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10 is not a valid kernel version
[12:12] <vbgunz> is there anyway to open chm files in Konqueror? I know about xchm, kchm, etc. I hear about kchmpart but cannot find it?
[12:12] <vbgunz> can someone help, how do I open chm files in Konqueror?
[12:13] <tek_> dreamer you might have to read the man page to figure out what is different than what im telling you..
[12:13] <genii> dreamer If the mkinitrd method does not work out I put in pastebin the way to d/l and rename an initrd from a repository for you at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/424/
[12:13] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/426/ here we go; sorry for taking so long
[12:14] <dreamer> genii: wow thnx, maybe knoppix doesn't know this kernel-version?
[12:14] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: no worries. taking a look now
[12:14] <tek_> im looking at the man page for yaird which does the same thing but perhaps its syntax is diff
[12:14] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: so now it boots into windows by default?
[12:15] <tek_> yaird == yaird - Yet Another mkInitRD
[12:15] <genii> dreamer I think trying to mkinitrd across different kernel versions off a livecd may be a bit much to expect LOL
[12:15] <Ace_NoOne> well, Jucato, it seems to boot to whatever was used last
[12:15] <dreamer> genii: hehe
[12:15] <Ace_NoOne> btw: I did remove "savedefault" from the "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic" entry (there shouldn't be two of those, should there?)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Ace_NoOne: one is commented out iirc
[12:15] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: yeah, have you tried rebooting again (and again)? just to test if it really boots from what was last used
[12:15] <genii> dreamer But i am still interested if it can be done, I am following along
[12:16] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: I've tried twice
[12:16] <Jucato> gnomefreak: nah, both are uncommented by default. which is weird...
[12:16] <Ace_NoOne> but I will try again
[12:16] <dreamer> genii: /me still the n00b here, but learning allong the way ;)
[12:16] <dreamer> convinced a friend to build his old 500mhz pc into an ubuntu server ;)
[12:16] <genii> dreamer cool
[12:17] <VMT2007> mouse scrolling isn't working, great
[12:17] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: odd, now it boots into Windows by default
[12:17] <Jucato> :)
[12:17] <tek_> i have done it genii the root command -r telling it where the root partition is enables it to find the kernel version..at least i thought that was how i got it to do it... but i have had to do it for the same reason
[12:17] <Ace_NoOne> even though I didn't change anything at all - except booting to Win once
[12:17] <VMT2007> unless I put the mouse over the scrollbar
[12:17] <SAngeli> sorry, anybody knoledged with sharing data between kubuntu and mac?
[12:17] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: at least it's working now :)
[12:17] <dreamer> tek_: have you read my original boot-error ?
[12:17] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: yeah, though I don't really believe in ignorance is bliss ;)
[12:18] <tek_> no dreamer
[12:18] <tek_> i just caught the missing mkinitrd.img file
[12:18] <Ace_NoOne> well, I'm off to lunch - thanks a lot for your help so far (there's plenty more questions to come tho ;) )
[12:18] <dreamer> tek_: ok, maybe it can help diagnosing
[12:19] <genii> tek_  the -r switch should want /mnt/hda1/boot  as that is where vmlinuz is?
[12:19] <dreamer> 10:58.16 < dreamer> I get this error on boot (since I mounted an usb-drive): [42949374.470000]  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on un known-block(0,0)  << I'm guessing it's usb-drive related since that's all I did and didn't umount
[12:20] <tek_> genii the -r tells it where the root partition is and that is root as in / not as in /root
[12:20] <tek_> ahh dreamer that is not cause of a missing initrd.img file that is cause of a corrupt filesystem
[12:21] <genii> Hmm if so then -r /mnt/hda1   should be correct syntax
[12:21] <dreamer> tek_: it all workes fine, until I shutdown and tried to boot in the morning
[12:21] <tek_> what is the filesystem type? ext3
[12:21] <dreamer> tek_: yes
[12:21] <dreamer> worked*
[12:22] <vbgunz> anybody know how to set my mouse buttons to shortcuts in KDE?
[12:22] <tek_> k, hold on..
[12:22] <dreamer> if only I could remember how I mounted that usb-drive :/
[12:22] <genii> tek_ His initrd.img file is altered the same time it quit booting. Also the initrd is the temp / mounted as vfs until actual / is mounted. Also fsck on his drive shows clean
[12:23] <VSpike> oopies
[12:23] <tek_> yes genii but you can repair the filesystem of a corrupt disk like that.. never done it on ext3 only reiserfs
[12:24] <sebokie> i have a problem with kdeinit
[12:24] <sebokie> how to change this?
[12:25] <genii> tek_ If fsck shows clean fs then I don't see that it can understand there is some corruption there to repair
[12:25] <tek_> i am running jfs so its different but you should be able to run ext3_fsck and also ext3_debugfs
[12:25] <dreamer> tek_: lol:  ReiserFS had been the default filesystem in Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise until their decision to move to ext3 on October 12, 2006[1] , two days after principal author Hans Reiser was charged with the murder of his wife.
[12:26] <tek_> yes i know... i live here in the bay area, so does he.
[12:26] <tek_> he is still in santa rita jail
[12:26] <genii> dreamer I guess that just shows you having to deal with Novell can push you over the brink
[12:26] <tek_> i really like reiserfs. never lost data with it.. i have with ext3 though
[12:26] <genii> LOL
[12:27] <dreamer> haha
[12:27] <tek_> i dont know the debugfs stuff so well for ext3 but what it should do is allow you to rebuild the journal
[12:28] <tek_> sorry.. mean superblock
[12:28] <genii> bleh superblock reassigning
[12:28] <tek_> i don't have anything that is running ext3
[12:29] <tek_> well genii the few times i have had issues with reiserfs i have had to rebuild the tree and superblock but never once lost data.
[12:29] <genii> dreamer You know, truthfully... if there is nothing extremely crucial data wise on there I would just do a clean install
[12:29] <dreamer> genii: baaaah, I just got this machine up and running nicely :(
[12:29] <dreamer> datawise only a couple of movies
[12:30] <dreamer> but there is some configstuff and programms installed that really needed some tweaking
[12:30] <tek_> dreamer... what does your /etc/fstab file read?
[12:30] <genii> dreamer Well, may be worth it to sweat it out for a while yet
[12:31] <dreamer> tek_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/429/
[12:31] <Blak`Mamba> hello
[12:32] <tek_> dreamer... sorry. i meant the /mnt/hda1/etc/fstab file
[12:32] <dreamer> aa, sorry :P
[12:33] <genii> tek_ LOL rescue mountpoints can get pretty confusing
[12:33] <dreamer> tek_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/430/
[12:33] <tek_> dreamer? have you tried to boot into single usermode at all?
[12:33] <genii> tek_ He gets same error for safe
[12:33] <dreamer> tek_: I tried normal and safe boot, both with same error
[12:33] <tek_> yes genii and its 3:3-am here... i should have been in bed about 2 hours ago
[12:33] <dreamer> haha, woeps :P
[12:33] <tek_> k
[12:34] <dreamer> it's 12:30 pm here :P
[12:34] <genii> dreamer just mainly out of curiosity, does the memtest kernel boot?
[12:34] <piper> hallo?
[12:35] <genii> 6:35AM here and been up all night
[12:35] <tek_> dreamer.. that is what is kludged.
[12:35] <dreamer> genii: hmmmm, I could try, bb in 10 min then (luckily I have irssi running in screen on my server :P)
[12:35] <tek_> your fstab file is fubar
[12:35] <piper> can here where german?
[12:35] <piper> -where +who
[12:35] <dreamer> tek_: hmm ....
[12:36] <dreamer> could that have been done by that usb-mount I did?
[12:36] <tek_> mind you i do not know ext3... like i said i avoid it.
[12:36] <dreamer> hehe, too bad
[12:36] <genii> holy crap yeah... all that uuid stuff in there is a prob
[12:36] <tek_> unless your running something wacky i don't know about.
[12:36] <tek_> yes.
[12:37] <dreamer> tek_: edgy server with kde
[12:37] <tek_> comment those out and uncomment the /dev/hda1 line and /dev/hda5 line
[12:37] <piper> mhm ... schade ... brauch nmlich mal hilfe
[12:37] <genii> I could pastebin how it's supposed to look if you like
[12:37] <sebokie> piper: #kubuntu-de
[12:37] <tek_> genii you seen anything like that before?
[12:37] <genii> tek_ No, not like that
[12:37] <dreamer> hmmm, tek_ : shouldn't there be anything behind them?
[12:37] <piper> thx
[12:38] <tek_> two things come to mind... windows.. and se-linux
[12:38] <tek_> but never seen anything like that.
[12:38] <dreamer> ok, I'll (un)comment them, see what happens ..
[12:38] <tek_> uncomment the /dev lines and comment the uid lines
[12:38] <genii> dreamer I will take what you had there and make a new pastebin to compare what it should look like.
[12:38] <genii> <- afk
[12:39] <tek_> it should fix it.
[12:40] <tek_> ill wait till you reboot and come back... then im going to bed.
[12:41] <genii> dreamer tek_ at  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/431/
[12:42] <tek_> yes that should fix it...
[12:42] <genii> tek_ I am thinking something now
[12:43] <tek_> its 3am..im not thinking much right now.
[12:43] <tek_> :-)
[12:43] <genii> tek_ That his fstab may be OK but the uuid crap is error output from knoppix outputted to stdout and interfering with the cut/paste but not actually in the fstab file
[12:43] <genii> tek_ I understand
[12:44] <tek_> well he could open it again and if he see's the same thing its confirmed one way or the other.
[12:45] <tek_> knoppix usually only outputs  stuff to vc3 and vc4
[12:45] <dreamer> beh, not working :((((
[12:45] <dreamer> tek_:
[12:45] <tek_> same error?
[12:45] <dreamer> yup
[12:45] <tek_> check the file again...
[12:46] <genii> dreamer your /mnt/hda1/etc/fstab  should ideally look like so: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/431/
[12:46] <dreamer> huh, now there is nog /mnt/hda1/etc/fstab ...
[12:47] <tek_> that would be  a problem
[12:47] <genii> bleh
[12:47] <tek_> a very big one..
[12:47] <dreamer> hda1 is empty now :o
[12:47] <genii> dreamer did you remount it?
[12:48] <tek_> copy what genii wrote and paste it in there in /mnt/hda1/etc/fstab
[12:48] <dreamer> genii: I guess I'll have to remount? normally not nessecary in knoppix
[12:48] <genii> dreamer Ideally, yes. Attempting a mount may give some useful info however
[12:49] <genii> eg:  io error     etc etc
[12:49] <tek_> you have a bad disk its beginning to sound like
[12:49] <dreamer> genii: ok, mounted, now in fstab, I'm putting in what you gave
[12:50] <dreamer> any way to select text in vim quickly?
[12:50] <genii> dreamer I am beginning to think the same as tek_ - bad disk or ide controller may be going
[12:50] <genii> bad disk more likely if cdrom boots knoppix OK
[12:50] <dreamer> hmmm, how can that be so suddenly :/
[12:50] <tek_> yes, just hilight it and then doubleclick once you are in insert mode
[12:50] <tek_> damn...
[12:51] <tek_> sorry..wrong.. im asleep
[12:51] <dreamer> tek_: and deleting :P
[12:51] <tek_> middleclick to paste
[12:51] <dreamer> hahaha
[12:51] <dreamer> tek_: yes and deleting lots of text in vim ?
[12:51] <genii> I am... vimphobic
[12:51] <dreamer> lol, ok, what do you use ?
[12:51] <genii> LOL
[12:51] <tek_> yes... count the lines and then type the number of lines followed by dd
[12:52] <genii> dreamer I prefer nano or pico for simple console edits
[12:52] <dreamer> ok
[12:52] <tek_> so to delete the next 30 lines would be 30dd from where the cursor is
[12:52] <Balsamic_Chicken> !cn
[12:52] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[12:52] <tek_> vim is my editor i shall not font
[12:52] <dreamer> thnx tek_
[12:53] <dreamer> ok, I'll reboot gain :/
[12:53] <genii> tek_ If there was a nanopw I could do away with vi entirely LOL (vipw)
[12:54] <tek_> i used to use pico but kept ending up on boxes without it and found myself forced to learn some vi...
[12:54] <tek_> now i use it for doing everything..
[12:54] <tek_> hell i prefer it over openoffice, kate and kwrite even
[12:55] <genii> tek_ I can get by in it I just prefer not to when possible LOL
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> anyone extremely familiar with kvirc?
[12:55] <genii> tek_ Mostly it's the del vs backspace vs insert modes that frustrate me
[12:56] <tek_> yeah... i know what you mean..its wacky but once you learn a few things its incredibly powerful
[12:56] <tek_> shit first time i used it it took me around 30 minutes to figure out how to get OUT of insert mode
[12:56] <genii> tek_ LOL    <ESC> is your friend
[12:57] <tek_> i dont know it as well as i wish i did but enough to do everything i need to
[12:57] <genii> tek_ Thats what matters :)
[12:57] <tek_> once i learned substitutions, i was hooked
[12:58] <genii> tek_ I remember in dos doing  copy con somefilename      then f6 for exit code
[12:58] <amir> How do I prevent a certain program from starting up when I start my computer?
[12:59] <genii> amir Which program are you finding offensive?
[12:59] <amir> gaim
[12:59] <amir> I want to use it but not at start up
[01:00] <genii> amir I'm pretty sure within gaim you can go to settings and tell it not to run automatically
[01:00] <amir> ok
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not seeing a setting for that.
[01:00] <tek_> it might be in your Autostart folder too.
[01:00] <genii> amir I am not currently on a box with it installed so I cannot say the exact place to find that, but I'm sure it's in there
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: i am, and it's not
[01:01] <amir> genii, I can't find it
[01:01] <tek_> check in your homefolder for the .kde/Autostart i think? make sure gaim is not showing up in there
[01:01] <genii> Daisuke_Ido for real??
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i'm not seeing it at all
[01:01] <genii> I stand corrected then
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> you would think they would put something like that in there, but nooo
[01:02] <genii> amir  the suggestion by tek_ is also good
[01:02] <genii> Daisuke_Ido On the win32 ver it is *definitely* in there
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[01:02] <dreamer> genii tek_ : didn't work :( same error
[01:03] <tek_> i have stuff in mine i want to always start up, that is one way you do that
[01:03] <dreamer> genii: haven't tried the memtest yet though ..
[01:03] <amir> I don't know how to make .kde/Autostart visible
[01:03] <tek_> damn dreamer...
[01:03] <tek_> in konqueror click on view and select show hidden folders
[01:03] <genii> dreamer Just for laughs see if memtest runs
[01:03] <genii> dreamer I need some comic relief about now :)
[01:04] <tek_> i have one for you then... go to youtube and do a search for pornwars
[01:04] <tek_> funny...
[01:04] <dreamer> genii: baaah, need to reboot again :P
[01:04] <genii> I need coffee... back in 2-3 mins
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i need to figure out how to completely disable color in ngl fserve (kvirc), or find a better fserve script for it :\
[01:05] <dreamer> I need to get that old 60mhz laptop hooked up with a dongle (which I can't find) and run it as a terminal right next to me now :P
[01:05] <dreamer> ok, I'll reboot and try memtest now :(
[01:05] <genii> dreamer Thanks
[01:06] <tek_> genii and dreamer.. im heading to bed.
[01:06] <tek_> i have service calls to do tomorrow and need some sleep
[01:06] <tek_> i would check that fstab file again and see if somehow its getting clobbered.
[01:07] <tek_> perhaps its his HD.? anyway... L8tr.
[01:10] <genii> tek_ gnite
[01:12] <dreamer> genii: yeah memtest running fine :P
[01:13] <genii> dreamer OK, good. If you want to try the method to replace the initrd file with one from the repo let me know LOL tek_ has gone to sleep
[01:13] <dreamer> yeah I read it :P
[01:13] <dreamer> still thnx for your help tek_ :)
[01:15] <genii> dreamer Well anyhow if you want to try that I can wait a bit and maybe troubleshoot some more. i plan to leave here in maybe an hour and get some sleep myself
[01:15] <dreamer> yeh I'd like to get this fixed before then too :P
[01:15] <dreamer> too bad the booting takes a while each time
[01:16] <genii> dreamer Yes, I understand :(
[01:16] <dreamer> I should really find a dongle for this pcmcia-crd some time :/
[01:16] <genii> dreamer just buy an ancient external modem and put it to the serial port
[01:17] <dreamer> haha, I just need RJ45 connection
[01:17] <genii> dreamer Ah, OK... I thought previously you meant old-time serial console connector :)
[01:18] <dreamer> no, it's an thernet pcmcia-card, but without rj45 dongle :/
[01:18] <dreamer> ok, so, what kernel version of that initrd-file did I have?
[01:18] <dreamer> and see where I can find an edgy-server relplacement ..
[01:19] <genii> dreamer you have kernel version on your install of 2.6.17-10-server
[01:20] <genii> dreamer I think the instructions I did were at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/424/
[01:21] <dreamer> ok, lets see ..
[01:21] <genii> and toes
[01:23] <dreamer> genii: this one?: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/initrd.gz
[01:24] <genii> dreamer Yes
[01:24] <dreamer> baah, /mnt/hda1/boot/ is not writeable, I'll wget with sudo
[01:25] <dreamer> ok
[01:25] <genii> dreamer is it mounted readonly?
[01:25] <dreamer> I guess, but sudo can write
[01:25] <genii> dreamer OK do it that way then as its currently mounted
[01:25] <dreamer> ok, I renamed the .gz now
[01:26] <dreamer> reboot? :#
[01:26] <genii> dreamer Yes please
[01:26] <dreamer> I so hope this is gona work :#
[01:26] <dreamer> bbl
[01:30] <malik_> is there any way tyo make konqi open with last opened tabs after a crash?
[01:34] <malik_> is there any way to make konqi open with last opened tabs after a crash?
[01:36] <dreamer> genii: baah, I got into boot, it then came to reconf the language and keyboard settings, then it hanged at: Scan harddrives for an installer ISO image] 
[01:36] <Jucato> malik_: yes
[01:36] <dreamer> I then I inserted the edgy-server iso, but it couldn't detect it, maybe reboot when the iso is in the cdrom
[01:36] <dreamer> ?
[01:36] <malik_> Jucato: how do i do that?
[01:37] <Jucato> malik_: install konq-plugins, then enable the Crashes Monitor in Settings -> COnfigure Extensions -> Tools tab
[01:37] <dreamer> genii: could it detect and use the installer iso then?
[01:37] <Jucato> malik_: make sure you are viewing a web page when you go to Configure Extension, otherwise you won't see the Crashes Monitor
[01:37] <genii> dreamer Well, that initrd was from an install of course... however, that it boots to it indicates to me that the initrd seems to be the issue
[01:38] <dreamer> ok
[01:39] <genii> dreamer So need to ask someone with edgy server kernel to put their initrd.img someplace you can d/l it and use that instead
[01:39] <dreamer> genii: aren't there specific settings in there that I need
[01:39] <genii> dreamer Same process as you just followed but we already have the backup of the original of course
[01:39] <dreamer> yeah
[01:40] <malik_> Jucato: when i try to enable crashes monitor its telling me that this plugin is not configureable
[01:40] <dreamer> but ... why can;t I use this new one?
[01:40] <dreamer> it just needs the iso to continue the setup, though it could detect that iso after I inserted it, but maybe perhaps when I have the iso in the cdrom before boot ..
[01:41] <Jucato> malik_: yes it's not :)
[01:41] <genii> dreamer there may be some specific things in the initrd from your box but a generic one will do. The initrd I sent you too is for installing edgy from a harddrive so it has some instrucions on it already about looking for an iso etc etc
[01:41] <dreamer> couldn't detect the iso after insert I meant ofcourse
[01:41] <genii> dreamer I thought it might do but looks like it gets hung
[01:42] <Jucato> malik_: whenever Konqueror crashes, you can see the list of opened tabs in Tools -> Crashes
[01:42] <dreamer> hmm, I can try to boot it with the iso present in the cdrom, maybe I can finish the setup then ...
[01:42] <malik_> Jucato: so now when i close konqi whilke some tabs are open in there on restart it will start from those opened tabs?
[01:42] <genii> dreamer Since it is a harddrive install initrd it wants to mount an iso file for edgy, not the physical cdrom LOL
[01:42] <Jucato> malik_: um.. no... it only saves the tabs during crashes
[01:42] <dreamer> genii: aaah
[01:43] <genii> dreamer like mount -o loop /some.iso /somewhere
[01:43] <dreamer> hmmm, I need a working initrd then ..
[01:43] <genii> dreamer Yes. If I had 2.6.17-10-server installed somewhere I would put it up on an ftp for you but I have not a box like that just now
[01:44] <dreamer> hehe, damnit :@
[01:44] <dreamer> anybody in the channel with an edgy-server running?
[01:44] <dreamer> I'll try #ubuntu too
[01:45] <malik_> Jucato: so is there any extension or plugin to save last opened tabs in konqi so that they can be restored after i reopen them?
[01:45] <genii> dreamer Do you know who may? stdin  if you can catch him here. I think he has multiboot to like 4 different distros
[01:45] <dreamer> ok
[01:46] <Jucato> malik_: without a crash? you could Save View Profile... with the [X]  Save URLs in profile enabled. that will save the tabs. but you have to do that manually
[01:46] <genii> dreamer so anyhow, for the moment I would say there is no joy. But if a suitable initrd.img-2.6.17-10-server   can be found I'm pretty sure it will booot
[01:47] <malik_> :) but cant u guyz write some script for it?......to have a feature like that of firefox and opera?
[01:49] <Xal> Hi
[01:49] <dreamer> Ignite_: I have the initrd backupped and tried this one: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/initrd.gz  << without success
[01:49] <dreamer> woeps
[01:49] <Xal> How do I set it up so that I have a display on my TV and on my monitor? I can do each separately just fine, but I can't get both.
[01:49] <dreamer> twinview?
[01:49] <dreamer> I want that on this pc too soon (if we get a tv with scart)
[01:52] <genii> dreamer I am having an idea please stand by
[01:52] <genii> LOL
[01:53] <dreamer> hmmm, tell me !! :D
[01:53] <dreamer> genii: < Ignite_> dreamer, the only thing I could suggest is running `aptitude reinstall linux-image-server`. But of course you can't boot. You could boot into the live CD, open a terminal, mount the / partition and run `chroot <mount point>`, then aptitude etc... but that's just an idea, not a clue if it'll work.
[01:53] <genii> dreamer I need to look on my repo mirror, afk
[01:53] <dreamer> thnx
[01:54] <dreamer> you should get some sleep man ;)
[01:54] <genii> dreamer Ignite_'s method may work.
[01:54] <dreamer> no idea how to though, can I do this from knopppix?
[01:55] <dreamer> what was your idea?
[01:57] <genii> dreamer I am doing a recursive search currently on my Edgy mirror to see if the server kernel deb may be there
[01:57] <fiandre>  Hi all. which is the command line wich closes the current session?
[01:57] <genii> dreamer If it is I'll upload it somewhere for you
[01:57] <dreamer> fiandre: restartX?
[01:57] <dreamer> genii: cool thnx
[01:58] <fiandre> dreamer: no
[01:58] <adaptr> fiandre: "session" being what ?
[01:58] <fiandre> adaptr: end the current session.
[01:58] <adaptr> fiandre: yes, i got that - *what* session ?
[01:58] <genii> fiandre usually  exit
[01:59] <fiandre> adaptr: the current!
[01:59] <adaptr> fiandre: X session, SSH session, console session, jazz session, what ?
[01:59] <adaptr> fiandre: thanks fo rbeing obtuse :)
[01:59] <genii> ftp session? etc etc
[01:59] <genii> LOL
[01:59] <fiandre> adaptr: ok kde
[01:59] <genii> fiandre If you just want to close some console use exit   or logout
[02:00] <adaptr> ah - okay, well, find out which process it is (ps fax | grep session) and then kill  that process
[02:00] <dreamer> fiandre: or ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[02:00] <adaptr> fiandre: is there any plausible reason you can not just log out ?
[02:00] <fiandre> well, maybe I'm talking japanese:)
[02:00] <niko_> hi
[02:00] <fiandre> i want to logout but
[02:00] <fiandre> in this way:
[02:01] <fiandre> from a konsole, i want to stop the kde session
[02:01] <fiandre> instead of doing it from the kde itself
[02:01] <genii> fiandre Do you then want it to return to the kdm login screen ?
[02:02] <adaptr> fiandre: that'll kill the konsole too, obviously - but the fastest way to do that would be "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[02:02] <fiandre> genii: yes
[02:02] <genii> fiandre Then adaptr's method just above is for you
[02:03] <genii> Conceivably you could also manually force tty7 respawen
[02:03] <genii> respawn even
[02:04] <genii> dreamer :( no joy on finding that file
[02:04] <adaptr> fiandre: but as stated before, the *absolute* fastest way is CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, which works from anywhere
[02:05] <fiandre> genii: this is what I'm doing. I have started a kde session remotely. from a konsole, i wrote: ssh -X user@ip and then kdesktop
[02:05] <dreamer> genii: baah :(
[02:05] <adaptr> fiandre: crucial information you don't provide before... bleh
[02:05] <fiandre> it "loaded" the remote desktop on my machine
[02:05] <fiandre> adaptr: i know. i apologize
[02:06] <adaptr> fiandre: no.. it *connected* to the remote kdm , starting a remote kdm session
[02:06] <fiandre> anyway, now I want to stop the kdm sessio
[02:06] <fiandre> session
[02:06] <adaptr> fiandre: and you want to log out of that ?
[02:06] <genii> fiandre and so X started locked out the session as the desktop was not redirected to your console?
[02:06] <fiandre> adaptr:  yes
[02:07] <fiandre> but I don't want to do it in a "brutal" way (by closing the ssh konsole)
[02:08] <fiandre> genii: udo /etc/init.d/kdm restart didn't work
[02:08] <fiandre> i still have the remote kdesktop:)
[02:09] <genii> fiandre That would be because you did not enter kde thru way of kdm
[02:09] <genii> (that restart kdm failed to exit the desktop)
[02:09] <fiandre> genii: pheraps. in fact i used "kdesktop"
[02:10] <dreamer> genii: what about that methid Ignite_ said?
[02:10] <genii> fiandre Do you know the remote terminal name? eg ttyS0   or whatever?
[02:10] <fiandre> genij: yes
[02:11] <genii> dreamer I believe that would work actually
[02:12] <dreamer> hmmm, how to do that ..
[02:12] <fiandre> genii: so I dunno how to close the desktop stuff
[02:12] <genii> fiandre so in another session do something like  ps ax|grep ttynamehere|more   and then see if there is a subprocess of ssh/sshd being called kde specific to pull the pid and kill or hup it
[02:12] <dreamer> genii: get an ubuntu live cd then? but it should be edgy-server no?
[02:12] <fiandre> genii: this is a work around solution
[02:12] <fiandre> i would like to stop kdesktop in a proper way
[02:13] <genii> fiandre Well, it is surely inelegant but your ssh session should remain connected while the subprocess dies
[02:13] <fiandre> genii: but i'm sure there's a proper way to do it
[02:14] <genii> fiandre You could try to echo some shutdown seqence to that session
[02:14] <genii> dreamer Yes you would need a edgy server iso specifically
[02:15] <genii> dreamer or install cd etc
[02:16] <genii> something like `echo "\###\###\###" > /dev/ttyname     where \### is the keycodes for say ctrl-alt-whatever
[02:16] <genii> `echo "whatever" '   <-- forgot closing immediate tick
[02:19] <dreamer> genii: I have an edgy-server install cd, but only one cdrom ...
[02:22] <genii> man I really need some sleep
[02:23] <genii> dreamer I'm sure there's a way to extract the initrd.img from someplace on the cdrom but atm I'm too tire4d to think about the exact meachanics LOL
[02:23] <genii> dwidmann going on 36 hours
[02:24] <vbgunz> can someone please help me. On Gnome, using sudo in a script file is a piece of cake. I am trying to migrate and in no way will "sudo" work in a script....
[02:24] <dwidmann> genii, surely you're not out of coffee :D
[02:24] <vbgunz> I only need some portions to execute as sudo while the others execute under my own name
[02:24] <vbgunz> Why is it so different? what is the catch?
[02:24] <genii> dwidmann Actually yes but I'm trying to consciously not drink another one atm unless there is something dire
[02:24] <dreamer> genii: dang ..
[02:25] <dreamer> baaah, I want to fix this :(
[02:25] <dwidmann> vbgunz, sudo should only be used for cli apps really.
[02:25] <dreamer> without reinstalling the intire machine :(
[02:25] <dwidmann> vbgunz, other than that, it's the very same sudo, completely identicle
[02:25] <vbgunz> dwidmann, how do I use portions of a .sh file to execute some commands as sudo?
[02:25] <genii> dreamer I understand
[02:25] <dwidmann> vbgunz: give an example
[02:26] <vbgunz> I created a whole new user and gave the user full administrative rights... I can execute sudo in a shell no problem, not in a single script
[02:26] <vbgunz> ok one sec
[02:26] <vbgunz> sudo ln -sf --backup /home/vbgunz/.mozilla/firefox/kb6mx88u.studyfox/chrome/brand.dtd /usr/lib/firefox/chrome/en-US/locale/branding/brand.dtd
[02:26] <dwidmann> and what does it say when you try to do it?
[02:27] <vbgunz> that works fine in the shell ... no way can I add it to a script... this is bugging me out :(
[02:27] <vbgunz> right after that, I am launching this: sleep 5 && ksystraycmd --ownicon --icon help_index firefox -P studyfox &
[02:27] <dwidmann> What executes this script? you, and manually, I hope?
[02:27] <willvarfar> I have compiled some apps from source; they compile but won't run, complaining that they can't find the libs they need (wxGTK in this case).  I find the .so files in /usr/local/lib; why can't the executable find them?
[02:27] <vbgunz> dwidmann, yes
[02:27] <vbgunz> only me I hope
[02:28] <ss> Hi folks can some one guide me to use Konversation as Mirc??
[02:28] <dwidmann> willvarfar: maybe it doesn't know where they are, you probably have to set some environment variable or another to get it to work
[02:29] <willvarfar> but there are loads of .so files in /usr/local/lib; surely this is a standard place that the loader looks for them?
[02:29] <vbgunz> willvarfar, on Ubuntu I use to always get all the depenencies first with apt-get build-dep
[02:29] <vbgunz> that usually helped me out a lot in building from source
[02:30] <dwidmann> willvarfar, I'm not sure, but try setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to make sure it includes that before running the program, and see if it will run.
[02:30] <willvarfar> ah, how do I set that?
[02:31] <dwidmann> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib
[02:31] <genii> willvarfar Are these sources debian-specific or generic sources?
[02:31] <dwidmann> if that fails, try export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib
[02:32] <dwidmann> if either of those work, create a shell script so you don't have to do that all the time
[02:32] <willvarfar> ah that worked dwidmann
[02:32] <willvarfar> so how do I edit the global LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[02:33] <genii> generic sources sometimes need that ARCH set so they know whic subdirs to find standard libs. Normally done with ./configure but sometimes by juggling commented statements in Makefile    and so on
[02:34] <dwidmann> willvarfar: rather than that, do this: kdesu kate /usr/local/bin/PROGRAMSNAME, in it, put "#!/bin/sh" on the top line, the library path setting on the next line, and the path to the binary on the last line
[02:34] <Jucato> you could set it in ~/.bash_profile (just your user) or /etc/profile (the whole system)
[02:35] <genii> ^ Jucato's way best
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/mycomputer/software/ibm$ ls /media/cdrom0
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> C57J6ML.bin  C57JCML.bin  C57JDML.bin  dlmgr.pro  wsextract.bin
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/mycomputer/software/ibm$ sudo /media/cdrom0/wsextract.bin
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> Password:
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> sudo: unable to execute /media/cdrom0/wsextract.bin: Permission denied
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/mycomputer/software/ibm$
[02:35] <Jucato> !pastebin | sivaji_2009
[02:35] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:35] <sivaji_2009> how to install this ple help me
[02:36] <willvarfar> Thx Jucato
[02:36] <adaptr> sivaji_2009: you can not expect to extract a file on CD *on* the CD....
[02:36] <dreamer> genii: what's Jucato's way?
[02:36] <adaptr> sivaji_2009: if you could, you'd have invented a way to write to cd-roms
[02:37] <Jucato> "you could set it in ~/.bash_profile (just your user) or /etc/profile (the whole system)"
[02:37] <adaptr> sivaji_2009: copy the file to your hard disk
[02:37] <Jucato> talking about LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[02:37] <dreamer> oh, not my prob :$
[02:37] <sivaji_2009> but some files are read only
[02:38] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: chmod +x wsextract.bin would work, however, it's a cd, so it won't .... copy it off the cd, then chmod it, then execute it.
[02:38] <sivaji_2009> i cant understand i am new user say clearly
[02:39] <sivaji_2009> now i want to install this
[02:39] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: cp /media/cdrom/wsextract.bin ~
[02:39] <dwidmann> cd
[02:39] <dwidmann> chmod +x wsextract.bin
[02:39] <dwidmann> sudo ./wsextract.bin
[02:40] <vbgunz> man I am at a frigging lost... I haven't been this agitated since I first started using Linux...
[02:40] <genii> dreamer I haven't forgotten about you, I'm trying to find a path out for you atm :)
[02:40] <dreamer> \o/
[02:40] <dreamer> you are my king!!
[02:41] <dreamer> genii: what do you do that you stay up 36 hours straight and help n00bs like me out? :P
[02:41] <sivaji_2009> "cp /media/cdrom/wsextract.bin ~" what this command will do
[02:41] <dwidmann> dreamer, if I remember right he's been known to stay up longer than that ....
[02:41] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: cp = copy
[02:42] <dwidmann> sivaji_2009: and ~ = home
[02:42] <paolo> its italian?
[02:42] <sivaji_2009> now what i am suppose to do
[02:43] <paolo> it's all language foru help ubuntu?
[02:43] <dwidmann> dunno, that should have executed that .bin file like you wanted, sivaji_2009
[02:43] <adaptr> sivaji_2009: what do you mean ?
[02:43] <dwidmann> !it | paolo
[02:43] <ubotu> paolo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:43] <Zamber> !it | paolo
[02:43] <Zamber> :D
[02:44] <genii> dreamer today I am at our shop babysitting about 27 machines as they auto-install dapper onto themselves from a local repo mirror I have here. i'm writing some stuff so each gets a different username and some other stuff like a modem driver that needs to be precompiled etc. This needs to be as automated as possible but I still need to do some input occasionally etc
[02:44] <paolo> thanks
[02:44] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: that will copy the wsextract.bin file to your /home/<user> directory
[02:45] <sivaji_2009> i want to extract that
[02:46] <dwidmann> I told you how ... it's up there somewhere ...
[02:47] <matteo> hi
[02:49] <Jucato> lol
[02:49] <Jucato> hi-bye? :)
[02:50] <dreamer> genii: hmmm, shop? :)
[02:50] <genii> hmm, does dpkg have some facility to install packages on a system you are not booted to?
[02:50] <dreamer> I have a bunch of antique machines I'd like to run dapper for my youthcentre, just need some crt's and kb's and such
[02:50] <sivaji_2009> how to use bluetooth
[02:51] <genii> dreamer Yeah sort of LOL
[02:51] <Jucato> !bluetooth | sivaji_2009
[02:51] <ubotu> sivaji_2009: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[02:51] <dwidmann> genii: not that I know of ... you could probably chroot into the other system though, but I think you already knew that.
[02:52] <genii> dwidmann I found the deb file dreamer needs which has the stuff for 2.6.17-10-server but it's in deb
[02:53] <dwidmann> exactly
[02:53] <JimDanger> Is there a way to record a few second clip from a DVD to a video file? My google-fi is turning up absolutely nothing.
[02:54] <JimDanger> google-fu rather heh
[02:54] <unai> holaaa
[02:54] <dreamer> genii: beginning to sound wonderfull :] 
[02:55] <genii> dreamer OK if ya want to chance it I'll walk you thru it.
[02:55] <dreamer> sure, not _that_ much that can go wrong? :P
[02:58] <genii> dreamer need to d/l the file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-server_2.6.17.10_i386.deb           and then put in some safe subdir of /mnt/hda1   like  /mnt/hda1/tmp
[02:58] <dreamer> genii: how big is it? because # df -h says I don't have any space available :/
[02:59] <dreamer> when there should be a couple gb free on hda1
[03:00] <dreamer> mait' I'll remount hda1 again, because it's mounted by knoppix on /UNIONFS
[03:00] <genii> dreamer 24K ...hmmm that doesn't seem right
[03:00] <dreamer> haha, ok, I have space to write now
[03:01] <MetaMorfoziS> hey all
[03:01] <dreamer> genii: is it the right file? and where on hda1 should I download?
[03:01] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody know the solution for the firefox"s download manager problem?: If i download something, and then open the download window, and i click on the "open" link or rightclick and "show" doesn'T happens anything
[03:03] <genii> dreamer From all I can tell it seems the correct file but the small size is puzzling me. At any rate you should d/l it to some dir like /mnt/hda1/tmp   you may need to mkdir /mnt/hda1/tmp   if no exist yet
[03:07] <dreamer> yes it exists
[03:08] <oggy> my audio isnt working
[03:08] <oggy> ?
[03:08] <oggy> :(
[03:08] <oggy> help
[03:08] <ostuhl> test
[03:08] <ostuhl> hi ho
[03:08] <dreamer> genii: ok, walk me through :] 
[03:08] <genii> dreamer OK. So because you will be chrooting into the other drive, I need now to tell you the commands to go there, install it then exit
[03:09] <genii> dreamer during the chroot part the knoppix part will be unresponsive etc
[03:09] <dreamer> hm ok, can I still use X normally?
[03:09] <genii> dreamer No.
[03:09] <ostuhl> is somebody around for some newbiequestions in order to solve some problems? and yes, i had read some kinds of faqs ;).
[03:09] <dreamer> hmm ok, because I'm using 2 terminals atm
[03:10] <dreamer> this one ssh's to my server in the other room for irssi
[03:10] <dwidmann> you probably can still use X normally, IIRC
[03:10] <dreamer> ok, we'll see, what do I do then?
[03:10] <genii> dreamer Well, according to dwidmann it works but I'm not entirely sure actually
[03:10] <ostuhl> plz query. thanx
[03:11] <dreamer> if it doesn't and I'm on trouble, what do I do? (I'll write it down ;) )
[03:11] <flaccid> can somebody please do me a favour. in konqueror open the navigation panel, right click on system and click set url and please let me know the url there
[03:11] <genii> dreamer OK the sequence:   chroot /mnt/hda1        then:   dpkg -i /tmp/thepackagename.deb        then exit
[03:12] <genii> If exit incorrect or chroot escape plase someone say correct command... I believe exit howver
[03:12] <dwidmann> system:/
[03:12] <flaccid> ok
[03:12] <dwidmann> @flaccid
[03:12] <flaccid> i got a bug then
[03:13] <genii> dwidmann It'd been ages since I uzed chroot for anything
[03:13] <oggy> does kubuntu work with optical jack
[03:13] <oggy> did anyone see my question
[03:13] <oggy> is anyone going to help here
[03:13] <oggy> wtf
[03:13] <dwidmann> I've not used chroot for something since .... I broke something last :D
[03:13] <dreamer> genii: ok, done
[03:13] <oggy> fucking audio for kubuntu
[03:14] <dreamer> Preparing to replace linux-image-server 2.6.17.10 (using .../linux-image-server_2.6.17.10_i386.deb) ...
[03:14] <dreamer> Unpacking replacement linux-image-server ...
[03:14] <oggy> audio you dumb shit why isnt it working for kubuntu
[03:14] <dreamer> Setting up linux-image-server (2.6.17.10) ...
[03:14] <dreamer> damnit, I gotta stop doing that so impulsively :/
[03:14] <genii> oggy If no one gave you some immediate answer it is most likely because there is no one in the room currently who can answer your question. No need to be rude LOL
[03:14] <dwidmann> !etiquette | oggy
[03:14] <ubotu> oggy: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[03:14] <dreamer> genii: try reboot now?
[03:14] <oggy> fuck your etiquite
[03:14] <oggy> kubuntu you default install audio
[03:15] <oggy> just ubuntu
[03:15] <oggy> wtf is the probleem
[03:15] <genii> ROFL
[03:16] <oggy> yeah same fucked up answer and the same treatment from linux support channels
[03:16] <oggy> figures
[03:16] <genii> dreamer Yes, did dpkg -i give a success tho?
[03:16] <Jucato> !language | oggy
[03:16] <ubotu> oggy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:16] <dreamer> pebkac
[03:16] <dreamer> genii: yes
[03:16] <tamacracker> is there anyway i can find out why my machine keeps freezing almost every time it's about to start the screen saver?
[03:16] <dreamer> I just pasted the output
[03:16] <kay__> !de
[03:16] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:16] <genii> dreamer Then I would chance the reboot. This is last time tonight for me and this issue tho, i *MUST* get sleep after, success or no
[03:16] <dreamer> genii: ok, stay with me untill I'm back here
[03:16] <sivaji_> is any know how to install wsad
[03:16] <dreamer> brb ;)
[03:17] <genii> dreamer np
[03:17] <oggy> booo kubuntu sux
[03:17] <Xal> nah ah
[03:17] <Xal> <3 Kubuntu
[03:17] <dwidmann> .....
[03:17] <oggy> no flash player support for firefox and no audio support
[03:17] <Xal> Yes there is.
[03:17] <Jucato> oggy: people will be less willing to help you if you keep talking like that
[03:17] <Xal> Flash works great for me.
[03:17] <oggy> kubuntu is useless for linux
[03:17] <dwidmann> firefox supports flash fine, audio works fine if you use compatible sound hardware
[03:18] <oggy> jucato havent had help in a week
[03:18] <oggy> what makes you think anyone is going to help now
[03:18] <Xal> oggy: Probably because you talk like this.
[03:18] <Xal> I am too
[03:18] <oggy> compatible sound hardware?
[03:18] <tamacracker> <- upset with kubuntu
[03:18] <genii> Jucato Geez is he still here? After the first round of swearing I put him on ignore already LOL
[03:18] <Jucato> oggy: you're more than welcome to choose another distro. no one's stopping you.
[03:18] <oggy> im using onboard sound
[03:18] <dwidmann> www.alsa-project.org IIRC
[03:18] <cloakable> So am I
[03:18] <Jucato> just \don't rant here
[03:18] <oggy> jucato not before bust this one down and save everyone the time and effort
[03:18] <Xal> The only thing that is a little difficult to setup audio wise is surround sound.
[03:19] <tamacracker> is there any sort of error log made when your machine freezes?
[03:19] <oggy> so just come out and say the truth kubuntu plain right out sux isnt user friendly
[03:19] <flaccid> what is required for system:/  to work??
[03:19] <Jucato> ranting won't help anyway.
[03:19] <oggy> its useless
[03:19] <tamacracker> my machine freezes when my screen saver starts.
[03:19] <Jucato> oggy: stop it
[03:19] <Xal> How isn't it user friendly?
[03:20] <Xal> It works great from the start.
[03:20] <oggy> ubuntu immediately installs audio
[03:20] <cloakable> oggy: Really? I've found many uses for it.
[03:20] <dwidmann> flaccid, I think, just the kioslaves, the package for which, umm, can't recall
[03:20] <oggy> with no problems
[03:20] <genii> tamacracker Not so hopeful if it freezes that it would have a record of the thing that made it freeze (chicken-egg sort of problem)
[03:20] <Xal> As does Kubuntu
[03:20] <oggy> Xal no it doesnt
[03:20] <Xal> It did for me.
[03:20] <Jucato> flaccid: it should be working by default. no need to install anything else
[03:20] <Xal> So, yes it odes
[03:20] <Xal> does*
[03:20] <cloakable> And me
[03:20] <oggy> ubuntu comes with firefox as a default browser
[03:20] <flaccid> Jucato: it does work. but now when i click on the System button in the navigation panel
[03:20] <genii> tamacracker But if there was anything just before you may find it in the /var/log/error.log
[03:20] <oggy> kubuntu doesnt
[03:20] <tamacracker> genil.. is there any possible way i can find the problem that causes my machine to freeze?
[03:21] <Xal> So?
[03:21] <tamacracker> i see
[03:21] <Xal> Konqueror is part of the KDE suite.
[03:21] <Jucato> flaccid: can you type "system:/" in Konqi?
[03:21] <cloakable> oggy: Kubuntu has Konqueror, which is IMO, far better.
[03:21] <oggy> kubuntu is a waste of time
[03:21] <Xal> That's with any distro that uses KDE
[03:21] <oggy> konquerer doesnt have flash
[03:21] <flaccid> Jucato: that works, but not when on the button
[03:21] <Xal> Yes it does.
[03:21] <Jucato> oggy: you are more than welcome to leave. don't rant in here. it does nothing
[03:21] <tamacracker> oggy... so why not go back to ubuntu then?...
[03:21] <Xal> Seriously
[03:21] <flaccid> http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/15005/Cannot-find-parent-item-filehome-in-the-tree-Inter.html
[03:21] <cloakable> oggy: Tell that to me flash supporting konqueror
[03:21] <Jucato> final warning oggy
[03:21] <oggy> ppl dont want to waste time installing useless distros
[03:22] <flaccid> in the panel under system nothing is listed either
[03:22] <cloakable> oggy: Go back to Windows than :)
[03:22] <oggy> see and then when ppl ask for support they get ignored and kicked out
[03:22] <Xal> haha
[03:22] <tamacracker> eeek windows
[03:22] <Jucato> oggy: you are not asking for support. you are ranting
[03:22] <dreamer> genii: no such luck :(  same config error as before (with that new initrd, maybe remove that one first?)
[03:22] <genii> I am away getting a coffee so pls tell dreamer I am returning if he gets back before i do
[03:22] <dwidmann> oggy, you can leave if you want, we won't miss you
[03:22] <cloakable> That's for sure :P
[03:22] <oggy> ranting nope , just opening everyones eyes to the time wasted installing this distro
[03:22] <dreamer> genii: why are you getting coffe if your going to sleep soon? :P
[03:22] <Xal> What's with all the young ones?
[03:22] <genii> dreamer Ah damn :(
[03:23] <Jucato> oggy: that's ranting
[03:23] <dreamer> teh sux0r
[03:23] <tamacracker> oggy there's nothin wrong with kubuntu.
[03:23] <Xal> Meh, this is the easiest, most user-friendly distro I've ever used.
[03:23] <genii> dreamer getting coffee is an excuse to go get some fresh air too LOL
[03:23] <tamacracker> just go to the damn store and buy an audio card.
[03:23] <oggy> stop ffooling yoursellf cracker
[03:23] <flaccid> its trying to access home:/// even though it should be home:/
[03:23] <Xal> I prefer KDE to Gnome, so Ubuntu wouldn't be the right distro for me.
[03:23] <oggy> Xal its useless if it doesnt support modern hardware
[03:23] <dreamer> genii: hehe, I'm about to go off with a housemate, gotta get new books for next period
[03:23] <Xal> oggy: Yes it does
[03:24] <tamacracker> :\ kubuntu is free man.. what do you want?
[03:24] <oggy> dual core athlon x2 asus a9n sli motherboard
[03:24] <dreamer> too bad for my housemates they can't use the pc today :(
[03:24] <dreamer> baah, this so sucks
[03:24] <Xal> I have a C2D, a 7900GTO, and a new sound chipset.
[03:24] <dwidmann> oggy, you're not convincing anyone here, so why not bother someone else?
[03:24] <Xal> It all works fine.
[03:24] <oggy> new sound chipset
[03:24] <oggy> haha
[03:24] <oggy> for what?
[03:24] <Xal> Uh, sound
[03:24] <oggy> you had to get new hardware for sound
[03:24] <oggy> hehe
[03:24] <Xal> No
[03:25] <Xal> It's a new integrated chipset.
[03:25] <Xal> Its not a difficult concept.
[03:25] <Xal> It's*
[03:25] <genii> dreamer anyhow I'll be back in a few mins if yer around...if not, have a good one and perhaps I'll find a suitable solution
[03:25] <flaccid> night
[03:25] <oggy> I have a new integrated chipset and kubuntu doesnt work with it at all
[03:25] <oggy> what a waste of a dvd and download time
[03:25] <Xal> Okay, then you're the only one. Would you like a cookie?
[03:26] <dreamer> hmm, I'll try ad stay home a little longer ;)
[03:26] <tamacracker> thank god i built my machine and nothin's on board
[03:26] <dwidmann> oggy, as I said, it works fine if you have compatible hardware, if not, that's not linux's fault that you didn't check that you had compatible hardware before installing.
[03:26] <dreamer> I really want to get this fixed :(
[03:26] <Xal> I didn't see the point in buying a sound card.
[03:26] <steveire> is there an amarok script to correct all of the id3 tags on my songs? For example if I have "Under The Bridge" by "Red Hot Chili Peppers" on album "None/unknown", it would correct the album to "Bloos Sugar Sex Magik". It  already gets album art, so I don't see why not. I don't see the tool though.
[03:26] <oggy> compatible hardware for a user friendly distro
[03:26] <oggy> spare me
[03:26] <oggy> hehe
[03:26] <Xal> Windows has the most hardware support.
[03:26] <Xal> Why don't you stick with that?
[03:26] <Xal> It suites you well.
[03:26] <tamacracker> ] windows also costs $200+ lol
[03:27] <oggy> Im a freebsd user meh windows crap
[03:27] <Xal> Okay, then go to the FreeBSD channel.
[03:27] <oggy> no , I want to save everyone time in downloading this crap
[03:27] <tamacracker> bro if you're gonna do that in this room they're just gonna kick you out :\
[03:27] <Xal> You're just wasting time.
[03:27] <oggy> all freenode efnet and other servers will be hearing this news
[03:27] <tamacracker> lol
[03:28] <Xal> I feel sorry for them.
[03:28] <tamacracker> oggy, it's nothing new bro
[03:28] <oggy> I am 15 years into hardware tech linux unix windows
[03:28] <tamacracker> get over it.
[03:28] <oggy> cant you see the news spreading now
[03:28] <steveire> oggy: what news bring ye/
[03:28] <Xal> There's just no pleasing people.
[03:28] <Jucato> and yet you act like a 15 year old... I think we've heard enough
[03:28] <oggy> pleasing ?
[03:28] <dwidmann> oggy: and you still can't manage to type or sound nice or do something at more than a 13 year old level, I feel sorry for you
[03:28] <Xal> Yes, it's an English word.
[03:28] <steveire> oggy: what news bring ye?
[03:29] <oggy> see this is what kubuntu is good for , basically nothing
[03:29] <oggy> hehe
[03:29] <Xal> You are acting like a little kid. Grow up.
[03:29] <Jucato> I think I've been tolerant enough...
[03:29] <oggy> cant play audio , no default firefox or flash  player stuff that should already be packaged with it
[03:29] <steveire> oggy: Good man! I for one want to join your valiant quest. What comes after mindless trolling?
[03:29] <oggy> HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SEE PRON NO
[03:29] <oggy> Now even
[03:29] <Xal> oggy: wrong
[03:29] <oggy> >:[
[03:30] <Jucato> before this gets worse
[03:30] <Xal> Aren't those things left out for a reason?
[03:30] <Xal> some legal issue
[03:30] <dwidmann> Yes.
[03:30] <Xal> The flash package I use is nonfree
[03:30] <Xal> It's not because the devs are incompetent.
[03:30] <oggy> legal issue
[03:31] <oggy> O H fuck me , why did i bother with kubuntu
[03:31] <dwidmann> mpeg is patented, libdvdcss2 is illegal in many countries due to the DMCA IIRC
[03:31] <oggy> you figure it would be the same install as ubuntu
[03:31] <oggy> but with kde
[03:31] <oggy> apparently
[03:31] <oggy> NOT
[03:31] <Xal> Okay
[03:31] <Xal> good for you
[03:31] <Jucato> oggy: what you are doing is ranting, plain and simple. not asking for help, not giving any. that's enough
[03:31] <Xal> Meh, I'm gonna get out. This is stupid.
[03:31] <dwidmann> Thanks Jucato!
[03:32] <tamacracker> lol
[03:34] <frojnd> how is that I still have KMail 1.9.5, when on their official home page is noted that there is version 3.5.5. and I constantly update and upgrade...
[03:35] <frojnd> I have edgy though
[03:35] <dwidmann> 1.9.5 seems to be the newest
[03:35] <frojnd> http://kmail.kde.org/
[03:36] <steveire> frojnd: 3.5.5 of KDE
[03:36] <Jucato> yep, KMail 1.9.5 for KDE 3.5.5
[03:36] <dwidmann> The reason it says 3.5.5 on there, most likely, is because KMail is released with the rest of KDE
[03:37] <frojnd> aha
[03:37] <genii> back with coffee :)
[03:37] <frojnd> so 1.9.5. is the newest
[03:37] <genii> ping dreamer
[03:37] <genii> arg
[03:37] <genii> !ping dreamer
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping dreamer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <genii> But apparently not awake
[03:38] <dwidmann> You're sitting here and talking but apparantly not awake genii hehhehehe
[03:38] <genii> dreamer Still here?
[03:39] <dreamer> yeah
[03:39] <dreamer> just about
[03:39] <genii> heh
[03:39] <dreamer> it's raining so me and my housemate don't want to leave yet :P
[03:40] <dreamer> pm for troubleshooting? or want to do public in this _busy_ chan :P
[03:40] <genii> dreamer I'm just contemplating the next avenue of attack
[03:40] <dreamer> can't find anything on that initial error I got, btw, should I remove the 'new' initrd?
[03:40] <dreamer> put the old back, and try the method we just tried?
[03:41] <genii> dreamer I wonder what would it do if no initrd at all even LOL
[03:41] <dreamer> hmmm
[03:41] <dwidmann> It was Genii, in the billiard room, with the candlestick!
[03:41] <dreamer> I still have the old one backedup
[03:41] <genii> dreamer Nah the deb file *ideally* should have put a fesh-install sort of factory initrd on from what i could tell. But the size of course looked too small
[03:42] <dreamer> ok
[03:42] <dreamer> it didn't do anything really
[03:42] <dwidmann> genii, why not give genii your initrd image?
[03:42] <genii> dreamer I am thinking there is some other deb which contains the factory initrd it begins with, I just need to find the thing and then we could do it over again LOL
[03:43] <genii> dwidmann I am not using the same setup he is. I have a dapper 6.06.1 server he has 6.10
[03:43] <dreamer> lol
[03:44] <frojnd> is there any tutorial how to manage kmail for gmail?
[03:44] <genii> dwidmann And I have not the server iso for 6.10 handy to just toss it on some box
[03:44] <frojnd> !kmail
[03:44] <ubotu> kmail: KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2174 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[03:44] <frojnd> !gmail
[03:44] <ubotu> gmail is a webmail service. For information on using it with Evolution see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingGmailWithEvolution
[03:45] <dwidmann> I've got the 6.10 DVD, but I don't think that has the server setup, or does it :s
[03:45] <genii> Hmm actually that may not be strictly true since i have the mirror
[03:45] <genii> dwidmann I remember I had to specifically d/l a server iso
[03:46] <dwidmann> I was just wondering, seeing as the dvd is the live + alternate + the entire main repository, and perhaps more
[03:46] <dreamer> evolution sucks, I like thunderbird :)
[03:47] <genii> dwidmann perhaps scan it for something with 2.6.17.10-server   or the like
[03:47] <dreamer> dwidmann: I have the edgy-server iso burned. I could put it online, but I don't know what file
[03:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:48] <genii> (kernel after install says -10 but .10 looks like deb delineation for subvers)
[03:48] <dwidmann> It has it :)
[03:49] <genii> hmmm
[03:49] <genii> !initrd.img
[03:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initrd.img - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <genii> darn u ubotu! LOL
[03:51] <genii> dreamer I am doing an   updatedb   then going to search the repo mirror i have with locate. I was using an  ls -R |grep 2.6.10|more  sorta method before
[03:51] <BluesKaj> how do i place Avidemux in the kicker? Presently I can only launch it from the terminal.
[03:51] <genii> locate will tell methe path
[03:51] <dreamer> allright
[03:52] <genii> dreamer Since memtest works I'm pretty sire initrd is it. For reasons i listed to tek_ earlier
[03:53] <dreamer> k
[03:53] <noiesmo> dreamer, mkinitramfs -o initrd.img will create a initd.img based on running kernel and /lib/modules/kernelversion
[03:53] <genii> eg: fsck checks ok, error msg specifically states mounting / with vfs no good and so on
[03:54] <dreamer> noiesmo: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on un known-block(0,0)
[03:54] <dreamer> genii: could what noiesmo is saying work?
[03:54] <dreamer> noiesmo: I'm on knoppix atm
[03:55] <genii> moiesmo Unfortunately he cannot boot to a ubuntu kernel the same for which he needs the initrd
[03:55] <genii> dreamer The same as before with tek_ - to make an initrd with mkinitrd   and so on
[03:56] <dreamer> ahh, yeah that didn't work :P
[03:56] <dreamer> but there is no kernel running so boohoo :(
[03:56] <dwidmann> why not chroot in, and reinstall the kernel package?
[03:56] <dwidmann> or some such
[03:56] <dreamer> did it, though not sure if the package was correct
[03:56] <dreamer> package was 4 kib or something
[03:57] <genii> dwidmann I'm trying to find that package right now. Thought i had it earlier but not, apparently
[03:57] <dwidmann> 4kib? sounds kinda small
[03:57] <dreamer> hehe yeah, or how big was it genii ?
[03:57] <genii> 24K actually, but yeah too small
[03:58] <dwidmann> would it be this: linux-image-2.6.17-10-server
[03:58] <genii> dwidmann ROFL thats the one i thought it was but it isn't
[03:58] <dreamer> linux-image-server_2.6.17.10_i386.deb  << we had this, which was 24kb
[03:58] <dwidmann> that was 24kb?
[03:58] <dwidmann> hmm
[03:58] <genii> yuppers
[03:59] <dwidmann> looks right
[03:59] <genii> I know
[03:59] <dreamer> didn't work though
[03:59] <dreamer> genii: try and remove the now functioning initrd? and try again?
[03:59] <dreamer> ohw crap, I just deleted the .deb :P
[04:00] <genii> I'm pretty sure thats the right route tho, with chroot  dpkg -i    and so on to restore it
[04:00] <dwidmann> wait, maybe that wasn't right ...
[04:00] <dreamer> 24kb is right or too small? :P
[04:01] <genii> dreamer Since the original messedup initrd is backedup you can delete the new one or do with it what you want. As it's no good I'd delete it
[04:01] <dwidmann> !!, linux-image-server 23,718, or 24kb, linux-image-server_2.6.17-10 however, 24,377,392, or about 23 mb
[04:01] <ubotu> linux-image-server: Linux kernel image on Server Equipment.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17.10 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[04:02] <dwidmann> this is according to apt-cache show
[04:02] <genii> whoah trippy
[04:02] <dreamer> ok, we need the 23 mb one ..
[04:02] <dwidmann> I'll grab the path for you
[04:02] <dreamer> w00t
[04:02] <genii> I dunno. The entire contents of /boot don't really even amount to 33Mb
[04:03] <genii> 23Mb, even
[04:03] <dreamer> hmm
[04:03] <dwidmann> much of it goes elsewhere I presume
[04:03] <genii> dwidmann Yes, likely :)
[04:03] <noiesmo> into /lib/modules/
[04:03] <dreamer> we just need the right .deb
[04:03] <dwidmann> yeah, that's the one
[04:03] <genii> dreamer Yes, that sounds about right. If you want to put up with the 23Mb d/l LOL
[04:04] <dreamer> oh that's gona be quick
[04:04] <dreamer> we have surfnet (fastest network in holland)
[04:04] <dwidmann> I've almost got the path
[04:04] <dreamer> yay
[04:04] <noiesmo> apt-get stores previously downloaded debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[04:05] <genii> Well, if nothing else it will refresh the install
[04:05] <dreamer> noiesmo: I can't find it there
[04:06] <genii> dreamer in your case it would be /mnt/hda1/var/cache/apt/archives
[04:06] <dreamer> linux-image-2.6.17-10-server_2.6.17.1-10.34_i386.deb
[04:06] <dwidmann> that's odd, I can't find it where I thought it would be
[04:06] <dreamer> I have it
[04:06] <dreamer> what where the chroot commands ?
[04:06] <dreamer> genii: yes that package is there
[04:06] <dwidmann> chroot /mnt/hda1
[04:06] <dreamer> don't know the size though
[04:07] <dwidmann> what luck, I don't have to find it afterall :O
[04:07] <genii> heh
[04:07] <dwidmann> ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.17-10-server_2.6.17.1-10.34_i386.deb
[04:08] <genii> dreamer is it that name above with the 2.6.17.1 part attached at the end to the 2.6.17-10-server  part at the front??
[04:08] <dwidmann> I was in pool/main/l/...... and linux-image wasn't there, must be for security reasons or something, I figure.
[04:09] <dreamer> rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23580646  << is that mb?, tis huh?
[04:09] <genii> yeah thats Mb
[04:09] <dwidmann> that's bytes
[04:09] <noiesmo> no
[04:09] <dwidmann> 23 of them
[04:09] <noiesmo> but its 23mb
[04:09] <dwidmann> indeed
[04:09] <dreamer> ok,     iiit'sreplaacnnnggddolots of stuff
[04:09] <dreamer> hmm, can't type :P
[04:10] <genii> dreamer Yeah it may take awhile
[04:10] <dwidmann> typing skills are ..... wait, no they aren't.
[04:10] <dwidmann> crud, out of hot fries
[04:11] <dreamer> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[04:11] <genii> I wasn't sure if base-install stuff like default kernel would have /var/cache/apt  entries
[04:11] <dreamer> ok, so .. reboot again? :P
[04:11] <genii> dreamer the dpkg  command finished without errors?
[04:11] <dreamer> genii: ok didn't know it existed, but I would've guessed the same
[04:11] <dreamer> yes
[04:12] <genii> dreamer Then sure, you know the drill by now ROFL
[04:12] <dreamer> Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
[04:12] <dreamer> Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
[04:12] <dreamer> ok, reboot, and bbl :P
[04:12] <genii> wait
[04:12] <dreamer> don't go sleep yet genii ;)
[04:12] <dreamer> ok
[04:13] <genii> "not updating initrd" etc is worrisome
[04:13] <dreamer> hmmm, true ..
[04:13] <dwidmann> genii doesn't sleep, he waits o.O
[04:13] <noiesmo> no symboluic links
[04:13] <dreamer> lemme pastebin entire process
[04:13] <genii> nono not neccesary
[04:13] <noiesmo> the kernel linux iminitrd name hasnt changed
[04:14] <genii> what is dpkg for force rewrite over confs etc?
[04:14] <genii> That is the switch we need here to force it to make new initrd and so on
[04:14] <dwidmann> do a dpkg --purge <package>, then dpkg -i <package>, and it won't give you any trouble
[04:14] <noiesmo> dreamer, what its saying is the symbolic links were not updated this is fine it should still have installed the new image
[04:14] <dreamer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/448/
[04:15] <genii> dreamer What dwidmann said about purge. make sure chroot  and so on of course
[04:15] <dreamer> purge what ? the package ?
[04:15] <dreamer> hmmm, ok .
[04:15] <noiesmo> dreamer, here update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-server
[04:15] <noiesmo> from you paste
[04:15] <dreamer> damnit, konsole is F-ed
[04:15] <dwidmann> if you're worried about that message, then yes, though it probably isn't hurting anything, you hope.
[04:16] <dreamer> purge is the safe bet ?
[04:16] <genii> noiesmo AH, you are correct!!
[04:16] <genii> dreamer forget the purge, it did it
[04:16] <dreamer> ok, then reboot !!!!
[04:16] <noiesmo> read the error or warning messages
[04:16] <dwidmann> How did all of this get started anyhow?
[04:16] <noiesmo> yep dreamer
[04:17] <genii> dwidmann Some major messup involving mounting usb drive improperly somehow messed up the initrd
[04:17] <dreamer> dwidmann: no idea, all I did yesterday was mount some usb-drive (only sudo thing that day) then I shut down, startup today gave kernelpanic-error
[04:17] <dwidmann> crazy
[04:17] <dreamer> so I figured it had to do with the usb-drive I didn't umount or mounted improperly
[04:18] <dreamer> ok, fingers crossed :D
[04:18] <genii> dreamer seeya in a bit
[04:20] <hilltop_> join #distrowatch
[04:20] <genii> Hey did someone eventually boot that ogg guy? I went away for a minute came back and he was gone
[04:20] <genii> Just curious :)
[04:20] <noiesmo> yeah he was booted
[04:21] <genii> noiesmo Thx :)
[04:25] <genii> wow, my updatedb command still running
[04:25] <dreamer> whoohooo \o/
[04:25] <dreamer> it worked :D
[04:25] <genii> course there's like 120Gb to go thru
[04:25] <genii> dreamer :) Cool
[04:26] <BluesKaj> trying to figure this avidemux and the nomenclature ...gotta be a video producer/engineer to understand it :(
[04:26] <dreamer> just the usual ASCI: invalid PBLK length error I always have on this machine, then a check on hda1, reboot and I'm in now :)
[04:26] <genii> dreamer Well it took a while but the patient will live!
[04:26] <dreamer> hmmm, I really liked knoppix' konsole settings, how can I get those on this machine, this konsole sucks :/
[04:26] <genii> LOL
[04:26] <dreamer> I hope we all learned something from this weird situation ;)
[04:27] <dreamer> hmmm, so, anybody any thoughts on that invalid PBLK length? :#
[04:28] <genii> dreamer I was *JUST* contemplating it but have not seen it before
[04:28] <dreamer> hehe
[04:28] <genii> heh I'm freakin hopeless
[04:28] <dreamer> ah well, it just slowes down the boot with 1 minute
[04:28] <dreamer> hangs up*
[04:28] <dreamer> hmmm, and konsole settings? :] 
[04:29] <dreamer> ok, now to shutdown this machine and get behind my own computer :P
[04:30] <genii> dreamer perhaps boot back to knoppix then copy out the knoppix desktop .konsole  file and transplant it to ubuntu (after safely backing up your original in case of spectacular failure of course)
[04:31] <genii> sorry not Desktop it's located but likely /home/name/
[04:31] <genii> Well, from wherever it resides anyhow
[04:33] <dreamer> hehe, maybe look into that later
[04:33] <dreamer> many many thnx for your support genii :)
[04:33] <dreamer> hope to do the same for others in a couple years ;)
[04:33] <genii> dreamer Well, we had lots of help
[04:34] <dreamer> hehe
[04:34] <dreamer> thnx #kubuntu ;)
[04:37] <Tresko> Hi guys! Is it only me, or did Openoffice.org break on the last 2.0.4 upgrade?
[04:43] <parsek> How can I copy a file from desktop to /usr/lib
[04:44] <genii> Anyone used preseed files for automated installs before?
[04:45] <genii> My values for auto-adding a user seem to not be taking, it's starting to upset me
[04:46] <dick> I have a problem updateing to ver 6.10
[04:46] <parsek> oh, sorry to bother I got it, bye
[04:46] <parsek> :)
[04:47] <dwidmann> gah, I hate when I do that .... I find myself typing in :wq in kate :(
[04:48] <dick> update -manager shows it and asks to update but DCOPserver is not available
[04:49] <steveire> how do I use a different version of a package? sudo update-alternatives gcc isn't it, but I want to use 3.4 instead of 4.1
[04:49] <dick> Is this channel for Kubuntu HELP or just chat?
[04:49] <dwidmann> steveire: do you have gcc-3.4 installed?
[04:50] <Jucato> steveire: much easier if you use export CC=....
[04:50] <steveire> yes
[04:50] <dwidmann> dick, I think it's mostly for the former, but chatting doesn't hurt
[04:50] <dick> Right you are.
[04:51] <steveire> Jucato: I'm ./configuring something. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37075047 Do I use that as an option with configure?
[04:51] <Jucato> no, before configure I think
[04:51] <steveire> ah, ok. I'll have a go
[04:52] <dick> When I do update I get "Please check is Dcopserver is running"
[04:54] <hassan2a> salut
[04:54] <dwidmann> When you do what update?
[04:55] <dick> I want to update to Ver 6.10. It shows it available in "update-manager"
[04:56] <BenjaminB_> aptitude dist-upgrade *duck
[04:56] <dick> I have burned the .iso cd but do not want to install with it because I always lose files that way
[04:56] <hassan2a> *
[05:03] <ForgeAus> is there a proggy to convert archive types?
[05:03] <fuel> hello friends, i recently downloaded kubuntu 6.10 dvd and tried installing it..... but there is no package selection present
[05:03] <fuel> i want to install kdevelop and other stuff......how to do it ??? i am suse user
[05:03] <ForgeAus> and even if there was it wouldn't make a .tar.gz file into a slackware package would it?
[05:04] <Alumin> ForgeAus: nope
[05:04] <Alumin> ForgeAus: slackware packages aren't defined by the format, but by the contents
[05:05] <Alumin> format-wise they're just gzipped tar archives
[05:05] <ForgeAus> well they're all installable packages
[05:05] <Alumin> but they have particular files inside them with slackware-specific metadata
[05:05] <ForgeAus> erm installable sourcecode like
[05:05] <ForgeAus> with headers and c files etc
[05:05] <ForgeAus> that can be installed, just that slackware needs a special kinda file to initiate the script right?
[05:05] <Alumin> well yeah, I mean if you want to get technical, .deb packages are just ar archives with some special sauce
[05:06] <ForgeAus> a something do, or a slack-something.... I can't quite remember
[05:06] <Alumin> but they have a debian/ directory with control files that dpkg knows how to find and act on
[05:06] <ForgeAus> metadata is a big buzzword lately lol
[05:06] <hatta> I never metadata I didn't like
[05:06] <Alumin> GAWD
[05:06] <ForgeAus> rofl hatta
[05:06] <Alumin> now I forgot what my question was
[05:07] <ForgeAus> I metadata I did like... well not in person but on Startrek
[05:07] <hatta> haha
[05:07] <ForgeAus> you have a question?
[05:07] <Alumin> oh yeah...ok, so I'm using the adept updater thingy
[05:07] <ForgeAus> adept kewl
[05:07] <Alumin> and I have apt-listchanges wired up so it displays the changelogs
[05:07] <Alumin> so I have to click "show details" every time, which is fine
[05:08] <Alumin> but every time I update, I get an error about "trying to initialize frontend: Kde" and being unable to connect to the X server
[05:08] <ForgeAus> your using kubuntu?
[05:08] <Alumin> yah
[05:08] <Alumin> 6.06
[05:09] <ForgeAus> hmmm can't initialize KDE frontend? that doesn't seem to make sense
[05:09] <ForgeAus> did you remove an important package from it somewhere along the line?
[05:09] <Alumin> I looked in the config files for debconf and apt-listchanges
[05:09] <ForgeAus> maybe you should check for broken packages or dependancies
[05:09] <Alumin> ForgeAus: the actual error is X server connection permissions
[05:09] <Alumin> I know why  it's not connecting
[05:09] <Alumin> the question is, why is it trying?
[05:10] <ForgeAus> um doesn't adept automatically use kdesu?
[05:10] <Alumin> yeah
[05:10] <ForgeAus> the connection to the x-server might be part of that process???
[05:10] <fuel> any help?
[05:10] <bobbyd> hi
[05:10] <ForgeAus> I'm making an assumption there I odn't know for sure but it seems to make sense
[05:10] <bobbyd> how do I make my laptop automatically connect to my wifi access point on boot?
[05:11] <Alumin> ForgeAus: the kdesu window (and the adept window) work fine
[05:11] <ForgeAus> the installer terminal screen doesnt?
[05:11] <Alumin> the update process also works...when the "KDE frontend" fails it displays the changelogs in pager format which is what I want
[05:11] <Alumin> I'm just trying to get rid of a spurious error message
[05:11] <ForgeAus> I've seen that mostly it was Gnome frontends doing it to me
[05:12] <ForgeAus> so they defaulted to dialog or something
[05:12] <ForgeAus> and it kept going without a problem
[05:12] <Alumin> maybe it's the adept updater that's doing it, by itself
[05:12] <Alumin> since it knows it's running in a KDE environment
[05:12] <ForgeAus> but then my base install was kubuntu not ubuntu so I didn't expect it to have gnome working lol
[05:13] <ForgeAus> possibly
[05:13] <BluesKaj> I have question about the annoying delay in opening some programs such as adept, synaptic, etc...sometimes I hve to click on them 2-3 times in order for the "run as root dialog box", to come up ...is there a fix for this ?
[05:13] <Alumin> that would explain why I have to hit a special button to even proceed
[05:13] <Alumin> it's expecting those windows to pop up
[05:13] <ForgeAus> seems to happen alot on ncurses installer screens
[05:14] <ScarFreewill> anyone knows how to convert .B00 .B6I .B6T to iso?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i can honestly say ive never even seen those extensions befor.
[05:14] <ForgeAus> Scar, never heard of .B* as a format before
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:14] <ForgeAus> where'd the files come from?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> so thats not a good sign.
[05:14] <ScarFreewill> daemon-tools can mount it...
[05:15] <ForgeAus> possibly
[05:15] <ForgeAus> because it recognises them
[05:15] <ScarFreewill> its disk images
[05:15] <ForgeAus> I can understand they're most likely CD or DVD rom images
[05:16] <ScarFreewill> yeah
[05:16] <Rebecca> hey peoples :)
[05:16] <ForgeAus> (if not USB ones or something)
[05:16] <ForgeAus> hey Rebecca :)
[05:16] <fiandre> Hi. is there a way to "export" an icewm desktop trhough ssh? (-X flag)
[05:16] <Rebecca> i want to ad a panel applet to control xmms but none appear to exist in the repos
[05:16] <ForgeAus> export?
[05:16] <Rebecca> add*
[05:16] <ForgeAus> you mean take a screenshot of?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> deamon tools supoports a lot of 'extended' cd/dvd type images that have extra data for the copy protection and other bits.
[05:16] <Rebecca> hi ForgeAus
[05:17] <ForgeAus> maybe you can do a websearch for the .B* format? and it might give you some idea where it comes from and if theres a proggy other than daemon tools to manage it
[05:17] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: yeah but i don't really mind if some of the protection parts gets lost..
[05:17] <ForgeAus> rebecca I don't know how to help you
[05:17] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: i just want to be able to mount it in linux
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I like XMMS myself but I don't know much about panel applets....
[05:18] <ForgeAus> oh you mean like "system tray?"
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  good luck on finding any other tools that manage with that stuff.. id have to say reload that thing in deamontools and copy it over to an iso from there.
[05:18] <sara> Anyone know how to get a wireless card to work that is USB?
[05:18] <tony_> can someone help me to install frostwire ????
[05:18] <Rebecca> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/beccasfotos/20060417_desktop.jpg <- that's what my desktop looked like with kde on debian before in installed kubuntu.. it's almost identical now but lacking an xmms control applet :)
[05:18] <Rebecca> ForgeAus: sokay :)
[05:18] <tony_> installed deb package and program never starts
[05:18] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: yeah i was thinking that too but just wanted to know if there was something like mdf2iso... ;)
[05:19] <Dr_willis> tony_,  run it from a shell and see if any error messages appear/.
[05:19] <ForgeAus> frostwire? whats that something like limewire?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  not that ive ever seen
[05:19] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[05:19] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:19] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: anyways thanks...
[05:19] <Dr_willis> You proberly need to have the actual/real sun java installed for frostwire to work right.
[05:20] <tony_> i get the syntax error when i try to run it trugh shell
[05:20] <ForgeAus> nice happyfeet desktop Rebecca :)
[05:20] <ForgeAus> um is that kde?
[05:21] <ForgeAus> the icons look it but the taskbar/panel doesn't seem to scream kde to me
[05:21] <kaksu> how can i make Konqueror faster?
[05:21] <Rebecca> ForgeAus: hehe. was actually inspired by March of the penguins. but yeah it's KDE :)
[05:21] <Dr_willis> tony_,  you may be stumbling upon a 'sh/bash vs dash' issue
[05:21] <ForgeAus> anyhow you can se the propertes of the program to run in the system tray
[05:22] <ForgeAus> just make a desktop or link in the filesystem to where you want to run it from
[05:22] <tony_> i have no clue  .
[05:22] <tony_> lol
[05:22] <ForgeAus> and rightclick, go to properties
[05:22] <Dr_willis> tony_,  i recall having to edit the frostwire scripts and replaceing the 'sh' lines/commands with 'bash'
[05:22] <ForgeAus> and tell it to run in the system tray
[05:22] <sara> how do i get to the kde info center...
[05:22] <ForgeAus> I think that might fix your problem
[05:22] <reagleBRKLN> hi, how do I add MS Word support to Kerry/Beagle? I installed wv.
[05:22] <tony_> thats beyond my undrestanding linux
[05:23] <Dr_willis> tony_,  the guys in #ubuntu proberly can walk ya through it.. its editing of 2 files..  im suprised the bug is still in the frostwire scripts
[05:23] <tony_> thanks anyways dr.. now i have to figure how to uninstall this program
[05:23] <Dr_willis> uninstall? gee.. wny not learn to fix it. :)
[05:23] <ForgeAus> yeah thats one problem I also have with linux too, everything seems like its all patched together, too much command line and stuff to organize/fix/install/run stuff....
[05:23] <ForgeAus> not very user friendly that way
[05:23] <tony_> i don't want to screw things up in my linux .
[05:23] <ForgeAus> but if your using standard packages its fine...
[05:24] <tony_>  ihave few services that are running the way i want them and thats im happy with
[05:24] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  actually the dash/bash issue - is a LONG time issue that is now being 'fixed' and the fixing it the right way - is showing that a lot of people were doing the wrong thing for a long time. :)
[05:24] <Dr_willis> if we stayed with the 'user friendly - keep the old stuff going' thinking.. we would all still be using dos. :)
[05:24] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis possibly but then I'm like tony I don't know much about it
[05:25] <scythe128> dr willis, dos was user friendly??  that has to be the best line I have read today
[05:25] <ForgeAus> really? I didn't think linux really used dos.. cept for a few UMSDOS distros
[05:25] <Dr_willis> I researched the dash/bash stuff.  a long time ago.. and  followed the logic of both sides.    interesting debate.
[05:25] <tony_> i can't even uninstall that program
[05:25] <tony_> thats nice
[05:25] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  that was sarcasm. :)
[05:25] <tony_> :S
[05:25] <ForgeAus> IC..
[05:26] <Dr_willis> tony_,  its a poor craftsman that blames his tools. :)
[05:26] <ForgeAus> personally I would have gone for |CP/M
[05:26] <Dr_willis> I used CPM ages ago.
[05:26] <tony_> thats aint my tool
[05:26] <tony_> lol
[05:26] <ForgeAus> me too
[05:26] <hatta> dos was a hell of a lot more user friendly than windows
[05:26] <hatta> dos actually did what you told it to
[05:26] <ForgeAus> lol hatta!
[05:26] <hatta> seldom crashed
[05:26] <tony_> i was told to get frostwire . rather then lime wier. so here we are . lol
[05:26] <ForgeAus> depends on what your doing with it...  but I see your point in some ways
[05:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> hi does anyone know how to make all kde application display chinese correctly?
[05:27] <ForgeAus> tony, either find a fixed install or be prepared to do some manual reworking
[05:27] <Dr_willis> tony_,  and you downloaded and isntalled frostwire-4.13.1.4.i586.deb
[05:27] <hatta> it's still not a bad OS if you don't need multitasking
[05:27] <tony_> YES DR
[05:27] <Dr_willis> and file a bug report witht eh frostwire guys.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> i think gnomefreak  emailed them about this a few months ago.
[05:27] <tony_> 4.10.9-2
[05:27] <ForgeAus> hatta I'm a multi-OS fan I don't play favorites/nasties with them
[05:27] <tony_> soemthing llike that
[05:27] <ForgeAus> some I find easier than others tho
[05:27] <ForgeAus> but then I'ma  big gui fan
[05:28] <ForgeAus> so dos although I'm well aquainted wtih it wouldn't be one of my first options
[05:28] <BluesKaj> frostwire interprets inputs as autoporn :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Hmmm
[05:28] <ForgeAus> Blues I think Limewires not much different
[05:28] <Dr_willis> i just installed frostwire-4.13.1.4.i586.deb and it works for me
[05:28] <tony_> where did you download that
[05:28] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[05:29] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:29] <sara> can someone please help me with my wireless USB device?
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I've noticed if I search for something obscure it comes up a thousand small approx 124 kb files....
[05:29] <Dr_willis> from the factoid/web site. :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> let me run it a little and see
[05:29] <ForgeAus> some smart learning bot throwing back my search at me
[05:29] <BluesKaj> yeah Forge.. amule works well tho and of course ktorrent
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I aren't a fan of torrents
[05:29] <ForgeAus> havn't been able to use them very well
[05:29] <ForgeAus> might just be my connection or the software not sure...
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I like gIFT based proggies tho
[05:30] <Dr_willis> frostwire works, the menu icon works... command line works...
[05:30] <ForgeAus> and in windows Shareaza does limewire and other formats too (magnet/torrents/emule/edonkey and more)
[05:30] <BluesKaj> i found asureus buggy in edgy ...wouldn't download without slowing waaaay down ...no such prob with ktorrent '
[05:31] <Dr_willis> I am using Edgy Eft, and i installed the SUN java,  also. :P
[05:31] <Dr_willis> ktorrent used to have some issues.. but its working good for me now.
[05:31] <ForgeAus> ohh thats a question
[05:31] <ForgeAus> anyone know how to get java applets working under ies4linux?
[05:31] <Dr_willis> hmm frostwire now has bittorrent support.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> that last thing i want to do is run IE under Linux. :)
[05:32] <BluesKaj> :)
[05:32] <ForgeAus> the microsoft Msjava proggie/installer hangs on registering classes
[05:32] <hassan2a> hello all
[05:32] <ForgeAus> and sun java for windows? I don't think thats right
[05:32] <BluesKaj> why run IE , anyway ?
[05:32] <ForgeAus> perhaps sun java for linux, but is IE going to recognise it?
[05:32] <ForgeAus> BluesKaj because I feel like it?
[05:32] <ForgeAus> I'm not looking to rely on it but I'm learning alot from the process
[05:32] <Alumin> how do I get X.org to listen (only) on localhost?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Listen to what/where Alumin ?
[05:33] <Alumin> um, listen to X applications :p
[05:33] <ForgeAus> hehe I even managed to fool Microsoft WGA into thinking my Linux was a genuine windows installation!
[05:33] <ForgeAus> rofl
[05:33] <Alumin> I need to be able to make network socket connections to it, so I can't use "-nolisten tcp"
[05:33] <fiandre>  Hi. i have to access to a icewm session trhough ssh (with -X flag, in a "graphical way"). Anyway, when I try to launch Icewm it says that another window manager is running. But in the remote pc it's running only KDM. Any idea about how to solve? thnks....
[05:34] <BluesKaj> go with the feeling ..i'm sure it's rewarding :)
[05:34] <ForgeAus> or rather wine was a genuine windows installation anyhow
[05:34] <Alumin> but I don't want to actually make it available over the real network
[05:34] <scythe128> dr willis, could be worse, when I am bored I call AOL tech support and tell them I cant get it to install (it wont under wine, so I am technically correct even if i never tried)
[05:34] <ForgeAus> so I can download goodies from MS that I can't in my normal XP! rofl
[05:35] <Dr_willis> the kdmrc file has a lot of places to set options.. im just not sure what option you are needing to do what exactly. :P you could always block things with iptables rules from going where you dont want them.
[05:35] <scythe128> forge, how the ??? did you do that?
[05:35] <ForgeAus> scythe :)
[05:35] <Alumin> Dr_willis: I want to define the network interfaces that the X server binds to
[05:35] <ForgeAus> that I'll keep a secret for now
[05:36] <Alumin> by default, it binds to 0.0.0.0, ie all interfaces
[05:36] <scythe128> hehe, wouldnt caare, but I think its hillarius
[05:37] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever messed with it at that deep a level Alumin  - last few times ive heard people in here asking similer things,  I recall they either used the various kdm config files to launch X the way they wanted.. or resorted to iptable rules.  sorry i cant help much more then that.
[05:37] <ForgeAus> A Vista-enabled version of wine is goign to be VERY interesting
[05:37] <Alumin> Dr_willis: that's cool, I'm actually not sure if it's possible, surprisingly enough
[05:37] <Alumin> I mean, firewalling the port closed with netfilter/iptables is a workaround, but the right solution is just to not open the port in the first place
[05:38] <Alumin> rather than open it and then put a cork in it
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Alumin, often if you dont think its possible - its because theres some much better way to do what you want to do...  try approaching the problem from a differnet angle. :)
[05:38] <scythe128> forge, you trying to bring drm to the masses?
[05:38] <ForgeAus> scythe! I hope not
[05:38] <ForgeAus> I'm very anti drm!
[05:38] <ForgeAus> I'm just more comfortable with XP still
[05:38] <scythe128> hehe, then why would we want a vista wine?
[05:38] <Alumin> Dr_willis: no, I just mean in my years of experience with X servers (XFree86, mostly) I can't recall ever seeing a configuration option to specify the listen address
[05:38] <rockprincess> hello everyone! does anyone know how to get bluetooth pairing working on kubuntu edgy eft?
[05:38] <ForgeAus> for things like ie7 yahoo messenger and a few other odds and ends
[05:39] <Alumin> but I thought I might have just missed something...stranger things have happened, for sure
[05:39] <scythe128> unless you accept the fact that you would have to squish vista to get the wine:)
[05:39] <ForgeAus> good question rock :) I have no idea!
[05:39] <BluesKaj> I'm more comfortable with XP too , but running it in Linux isn't my idea of learning a new OS :)
[05:39] <scythe128> forge, check out firefox or opera to replace ie and gaim or kopete to replace yahoo im
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Alumin,  its amazing the # of options out there :)
[05:39] <rockprincess> because it's a bit odd that it works on dapper but not on edgy
[05:39] <ForgeAus> Scythe I'm more interested int he core than the bloatware that comes wtih it
[05:40] <ForgeAus> I have checked otu them
[05:40] <ForgeAus> and I use firefox even in my XP installation
[05:40] <tony_> is it normal for frostwire to take forever to connect to the network ?
[05:40] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:40] <Alumin> rockprincess: what device are you using?  I bought a D-Link DBT120 but I can't even get it to show up
[05:40] <Alumin> (...on 6.06)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> tony_,  mine connected right off as soon as i entered a search item
[05:40] <ForgeAus> kopete's IRC is quite interesting! chunky visually for messages but interesting!
[05:40] <tony_> i think i should buy your linux BOX DR
[05:40] <dwidmann> Would anyone by chance know of an easy way to create manpages ... groff is killing my patience
[05:41] <scythe128> Im just trying to give you alternatives forge.  I still cant get ie7 to run right in wine right now.  I need it to do my time cards for work :(
[05:41] <rockprincess> Alumin: you mean what Bluetooth Dongle I use? or my headset?
[05:41] <ForgeAus> scythe have you tried ies4linux?
[05:41] <ForgeAus> its an easy install script
[05:41] <Alumin> rockprincess: well, I meant the dongle but I guess both :)
[05:41] <ForgeAus> that downloads all the stuff you need internally
[05:41] <scythe128> no I havent
[05:41] <ForgeAus> problem is you have to extract it manually first
[05:42] <scythe128> aggghhhh, note worth it to me
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i cant get squat running in wine lately. even stuff that used to work - dont want to any more.
[05:42] <Alumin> I think my problem is with the dongle though
[05:42] <ForgeAus> then run it with a ./(ies4linux executable)...
[05:42] <ForgeAus> first things first, make sure you have wine and cabextract
[05:42] <rockprincess> Alumin: it's a Surecom Dongle...dunno the exact brand...seems to me like a no-name brand.....
[05:42] <scythe128> Ill just use the windows machine for that
[05:42] <ForgeAus> then run that script and it'll install the rest
[05:43] <ForgeAus> it'll be interesting if/when they have ieview/ietab plugin for firefox working under ies4linux tho
[05:44] <rockprincess> Alumin: what error message are you getting?
[05:44] <ForgeAus> sorry firefox calls them extensions plugins are other things...
[05:44] <ForgeAus> nero?
[05:45] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:45] <ForgeAus> wow I didn't know there was a Linux vers of it
[05:45] <BluesKaj> there's a vers for debian
[05:45] <scythe128> blues, check out k3b... it perfer it over the nero linux
[05:45] <ForgeAus> I guess its bloatware tho, much like the windows one uh?
[05:45] <scythe128> it is really slimmed down from the windows version
[05:45] <ForgeAus> really?
[05:45] <ForgeAus> nice!
[05:45] <scythe128> seems really underpowered
[05:45] <ForgeAus> I might toy with that soon
[05:45] <tony_> humm frost wire not connting to the network , can this be because of linux Firewall ????
[05:45] <scythe128> not slimmed in a good way
[05:45] <BluesKaj> scythe128, K3b is ok for burning ...nero does codec conversions better than most
[05:46] <Alumin> rockprincess: not so much an error, it's just not showing up
[05:46] <ForgeAus> scythe, so what sounds like fun to me :)
[05:46] <scythe128> hehe
[05:46] <Alumin> I can see something in /var/log/messages when I insert the device though
[05:46] <Alumin> I have a module "bluetooth" loaded
[05:46] <rockprincess> Alumin: that's a common thing in Edgy Eft.....it seems like pairing bluetooth devices is disabled in 6.10
[05:46] <scythe128> Blues, I just use kaffeine to rip and dont worry bout it
[05:46] <Alumin> rockprincess: I'm using 6.06
[05:47] <rockprincess> Alumin: have you installed all necessary packages?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> I wanna go Feisty! lol
[05:47] <Alumin> rockprincess: as far as I know
[05:47] <rockprincess> ForgeAus: me too ;)
[05:47] <Alumin> I've installed a bunch of obex* ones, and bluez*
[05:48] <lgsobalvarro> Heloo... if i install the kde 4 package's i can have too kde 3.5.5?
[05:48] <tony_> how can i remove frostwire from my system ?????
[05:48] <ForgeAus> seeing double with kde?
[05:48] <BluesKaj> trying out avidemux as we speak ...experimenting with settings etc, but so far it's crashed several times failed to convert a particularly difficult avi file to dvd
[05:48] <ForgeAus> I know one way you can have both
[05:48] <dwidmann> lgsobalvarro: yes
[05:48] <Alumin> apt-get --purge remove frostwire
[05:48] <ForgeAus> but its probably not what you meant
[05:48] <ForgeAus> (virtual machines is one way)
[05:49] <ForgeAus> heck even cygwin has kde nowerdays :) lol
[05:49] <lgsobalvarro> dwidmann: so it should show me in kdm the opcion "kde 4" or something like that?
[05:49] <dwidmann> I would think so, I've not done it, I just know other people do
[05:49] <ForgeAus> multi kde
[05:49] <lgsobalvarro> ohh tnx dwidmann
[05:49] <dwidmann> granted, there aren't very many others using kde4 at the moment, seeing as technically if you looked at its version number right now, you would be seeing kde 3.8
[05:49] <tony_> Alumin thanks
[05:50] <ForgeAus> lgsob try a websearch there might be something on the net to help you find out how
[05:50] <Alumin> rockprincess: I have libbluetooth1 kdebluetooth bluez-utils bluez-pcmcia-support bluez-cups
[05:50] <Alumin> those last two may be redundant since I'm just trying to use a USB dongle to talk to my phone
[05:50] <ForgeAus> bluez cups? theres bluetooth printers?
[05:50] <rockprincess> Alumin: sounds right to me....have you installed kmobiletools....?
[05:51] <lgsobalvarro> dwidmann: yep i know that, i'm askint that becouse, i only have linux on my laptop.... in my workstation i use mac... so i need something stable too here
[05:51] <Alumin> it's installed now
[05:52] <ForgeAus> I want Kandy!
[05:52] <ForgeAus> what do you need of your mobile?
[05:52] <ForgeAus> or on it?
[05:53] <Alumin> transfer ringtones to it, and pictures/movies from it
[05:53] <ForgeAus> ok kmobile tools mostly then
[05:53] <Alumin> phonebook backup/sync
[05:53] <ForgeAus> kandy is good for addressbooks and stuff from what the package descrip says
[05:53] <Alumin> if I could use it as an internet connection in an emergency that would be cool too
[05:53] <Alumin> yeah, Kandy looks really helpful, but my phone doesn't show up in it :)
[05:53] <Alumin> I also have the USB cable for the phone
[05:54] <Alumin> no luck with that either
[05:54] <ForgeAus> don't blue tooth devices discover eachother?
[05:54] <Alumin> it's not a matter of the dongle finding the phone
[05:54] <Alumin> the OS doesn't see the dongle
[05:55] <ForgeAus> so you need to make sure you can install the device then?
[05:55] <Alumin> that's the problem I'm having, yeah
[05:55] <ForgeAus> well I knwo the systems settings applet has 2 bluetooth buttons
[05:55] <Alumin> I don't show any sign of having a USB device
[05:55] <rockprincess> do you guys have any idea if there's a program to remote controll your pc using bluetooth and your mobile phone?
[05:55] <ForgeAus> but they may not be a USB bluetooth driver... I don't know
[05:56] <ForgeAus> rockprincess I'd dare to say there would be
[05:56] <ForgeAus> but I don't know it
[05:56] <endo602> hello
[05:56] <Alumin> yeah, I know there is...I hear about people using them a lot
[05:56] <ForgeAus> hey endo :)
[05:56] <endo602> Can someone help me with setting up an ident?
[05:56] <Alumin> endo602: apt-get install oidentd
[05:56] <rockprincess> Alumin: really? can you tell what it's called?
[05:56] <endo602> i sintalled pidentd
[05:56] <ForgeAus> a user or an ident? as in??? the protocol? port 113?
[05:56] <endo602> is oidentd better?
[05:56] <Alumin> pidentd works too
[05:56] <Alumin> yeah
[05:56] <endo602> yes
[05:56] <endo602> port 133
[05:56] <Alumin> well, depends on your definition of better I guess
[05:57] <ForgeAus> irc clikents use it
[05:57] <Alumin> port 113 :)
[05:57] <ForgeAus> grr clients
[05:57] <endo602> i dont know how to config pidentd
[05:57] <Alumin> oidentd is a lot more configurable
[05:57] <endo602> sorry
[05:57] <endo602> is it easy to config
[05:57] <endo602> ??
[05:57] <endo602> is there a walkthrough'//
[05:57] <Alumin> depends on your definition of easy
[05:57] <Alumin> :)
[05:57] <endo602> :(
[05:57] <Alumin> if you're used to manipulating variable=value config files, then yes
[05:57] <endo602> mes a newb
[05:57] <matlec> hi
[05:58] <Alumin> if you just need a basic identd, just stick with pidentd
[05:58] <matlec> is there an easy way to update to apt 0.6.46.4 (without moving to feisty ;-))?
[05:58] <endo602> i just want to tack on an ident to my ip check
[05:58] <Alumin> endo602: yeah, any identd is fine for that
[05:58] <endo602> basic
[05:58] <endo602> but i cant seem to get pident to use the ident i want
[05:59] <endo602> its config file is too confusing for me
[05:59] <ForgeAus> mat do backports repositories do that kinda thing?
[05:59] <dwidmann> matlec: download and install the deb with dpkg, if it doesn't have too many dependencies
[05:59] <reagleBRKLN> why would edgy's kpilot be saying "Could not find conduit knotes-conduit." ?
[06:00] <matlec> dwidmann: so there is no other way? ;(
[06:00] <Alumin> endo602: pidentd might just use your username
[06:00] <BTR> Hi, how do run for excample adept manager with the gui, from console?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> mat you may not have to load all of feisty just apt and its dependencies of fiesty
[06:00] <Alumin> that, after all, is what ident is supposed to do :)
[06:00] <matlec> ForgeAus: backport?
[06:00] <endo602> that is not good
[06:00] <endo602> i need someothing else
[06:01] <dwidmann> well, using feisty's package without a  full upgrade to feisty is possible, unless there are lots of depends
[06:01] <endo602> is there a way to change it
[06:01] <ForgeAus> BTR
[06:01] <ForgeAus> theres more than one command
[06:01] <endo602> if i sintall oident can you help me walkthough
[06:01] <ForgeAus> its adept-install adept-manage and a few others
[06:01] <endo602> ?
[06:01] <matlec> ok, thanks.. I'll give it a try ;)
[06:01] <ForgeAus> check your /usr/bin directory??? it probably resides there...
[06:02] <Alumin> endo602: try reading the help docs for pidentd
[06:02] <dwidmann> matlec, pull up konqueror, go to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+package/apt
[06:02] <dwidmann> I suppose
[06:02] <Alumin> "oidentd configuration" is kinda a big subject for an IRC conversation
[06:02] <ForgeAus> is feisty currently like a RC or preview release?
[06:02] <BTR> ForgeAus: I dont think you understand my question, i want to start the gui version og adept from console
[06:02] <endo602> hehehe
[06:03] <ForgeAus> BTR I just told you how
[06:03] <matlec> dwidmann: the problem is the dependency hell (well.. in this case not really hell, but anyway..)
[06:03] <endo602> i tried reading the help docs
[06:03] <endo602> but i guess I will still work at it
[06:03] <endo602> thanks anyways
[06:03] <endo602> one last thing
[06:03] <BTR> ForgeAus:
[06:03] <BTR> lajene@lajene-laptop:~$ adept-install
[06:03] <BTR> bash: adept-install: command not found
[06:03] <ForgeAus> oh wait, you probably need kdesu on the commandline before using the adept-install or whatever command
[06:03] <endo602> where should i put my ident in the config file
[06:03] <Dr_willis> adept-install ? never heard of that one.. :)
[06:03] <endo602> value=?
[06:03] <BTR> the same with adept-manager
[06:03] <Alumin> BTR: the command is called adept_install
[06:03] <Dr_willis> apt-get install whatever
[06:03] <ForgeAus> ie: kdesu adept-manage
[06:03] <Alumin> BTR: not sure what happens if you run it
[06:03] <ForgeAus> or kdesu adept-update
[06:03] <Alumin> but that's what the name is :)
[06:04] <ForgeAus> not apt-get adept DrWillis
[06:04] <ForgeAus> not sure if there is an -install but they're all like that - this - that - the toher...
[06:04] <BTR> Alumin: Nothing happens. ForgeAus i know how to use adept via konsole, but i want to start the gui version from the  console
[06:04] <ForgeAus> names like install update manage
[06:04] <Alumin> endo602: I haven't really used pidentd, not sure what to tell you...but "man pidentd" should have that kind of information
[06:04] <ForgeAus> grrrr
[06:04] <ForgeAus> adept is a gui program
[06:04] <ForgeAus> I don't hitnk there is a text/ncurses version of it
[06:05] <Alumin> BTR: did you try just running "adept"?
[06:05] <ForgeAus> apt-get or aptitude would be the closest right?
[06:05] <ForgeAus> Alumin adept isn't the command
[06:05] <endo602> there is no man entry for it
[06:05] <dwidmann> if you want an ncurses thing, just use aptitude
[06:05] <ForgeAus> there isn't a program called adept! (at least not from the command line)
[06:05] <BTR> ForgeAus: Yes, can it be run via konsole? i want to run adept with the gui
[06:05] <ForgeAus> its a collection of them
[06:05] <ForgeAus> YES BTR
[06:05] <Alumin> "adept" is the command my menu item runs
[06:05] <BTR> Alumin: Yes
[06:05] <ForgeAus> using the line: kdesu adept-manage
[06:05] <Alumin> the command line says "kdesu adept"
[06:05] <endo602> well
[06:05] <ForgeAus> or kdesu-adept get
[06:05] <endo602> ill keep trying
[06:05] <ForgeAus> or kdesu-adept install
[06:05] <ForgeAus> (sorry scrap the get one that was a mistake)
[06:06] <ForgeAus> and the hypen was in the wrong place!
[06:06] <BTR> ForgeAus: That was what i was looking for! thanks:)
[06:06] <Alumin> endo602: it's possible that you need a more advanced tool if you want to mangle your ident reply
[06:06] <ForgeAus> um I thought thats waht I was sayinga ll along? wasn't it?
[06:06] <Alumin> pidentd might be just a plain old identd daemon that just implements the base RFC
[06:06] <ForgeAus> I just forgot to put kdesu first (at first) thats all
[06:07] <ForgeAus> theres about 4 different apps that start kdesu
[06:07] <ForgeAus> grr adept not kdesu
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> oidentd, from everything i've heard
[06:07] <ForgeAus> now I'm all muddled
[06:07] <dwidmann> indeed
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> allows ident masquerading
[06:07] <ForgeAus> in the gui theres like 3 one is automatic... the system tray updater
[06:07] <BTR> ForgeAus: but it was the kdesu part that answerede my question
[06:07] <ForgeAus> the other 3 are somewhere on the menu
[06:07] <Alumin> yeah, oidentd is the black belt ninja of ident daemons
[06:07] <Alumin> but it's got a decent learning curve too, for all that extra functionality
[06:08] <ForgeAus> BTR that figures because you need to use your root password to install
[06:08] <Dr_willis> heh - i recall using some little 5 line perl script for an identd server ages ago.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> it just returned random strings.
[06:08] <ForgeAus> Perl is one language I know very little about
[06:08] <BTR> ForgeAus: i know i need it to be root, but i didnt know about the kdesu
[06:08] <dwidmann> Perl is nice, Python is nicer ...
[06:08] <ForgeAus> Haskell is something I'm interested in learning
[06:08] <ForgeAus> Python is awesome!
[06:09] <ForgeAus> although some prefer Ruby
[06:09] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: who did i email?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  the frostwire/limwire guys - about the bash/dask issue we noticed a few mo ago.
[06:09] <dwidmann> I might have to toy around with Ruby sometime, but I don't feel like it.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> i noticed the !frostwire url  now has info on the topic as well. :) but aprently that  not the guys issue.
[06:10] <ForgeAus> dwid, sure you can but if I were you python would be my priority out of the two
[06:10] <ForgeAus> (visual studio is going to get iron python soon, I'm sure theres already some builds with it... and monodevelop has boo, which is very python-like)
[06:10] <dwidmann> I already know python ;)
[06:11] <ForgeAus> my guess is Haskell is the next language microsoft will incorporate
[06:11] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: yes i was told by someone (not related to frostwire) that the next build they were working on would not fix the issue. however someone is working on it on the ubuntu side. once i get it i will post the .deb somewhere
[06:11] <PasNox> hi everyone
[06:11] <ForgeAus> lots of people will want perl tho probably
[06:11] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  the latest deb i downloaded today seem to have it fixed :)
[06:11] <jordo23> Jucato: You there?
[06:11] <PasNox> i need help installing / configure my usb wireless wifi key
[06:11] <gnomefreak> from frostwire site?
[06:11] <PasNox> can someone help me ?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  yea
[06:12] <Dr_willis> cat /usr/bin/frostwire
[06:12] <Dr_willis> bash /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrostwire.sh
[06:12] <Dr_willis> heh -  now lets check the runfrostwire.sh :)
[06:12] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: thats not fixed you ran that in bash
[06:12] <PasNox> my chipset is not recognize natively by linux :(
[06:12] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/bash
[06:12] <Dr_willis> the fix was to use bash not 'sh' as i recall
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:12] <jordo23> How do I tell if I am technically running Kubuntu or Ubuntu with KDE installed?
[06:13] <ForgeAus> jordo easy
[06:13] <gnomefreak> that is one fix yes
[06:13] <ForgeAus> whats it say on startup?
[06:13] <ForgeAus> where the progress bar is
[06:13] <ForgeAus> before your login screen
[06:13] <Dr_willis> their support script/menu item had a 'sh whatever' line in it as well.. that was also fixed it seems
[06:13] <dwidmann> jordo23, same thing, essentially
[06:13] <gnomefreak> not the fix i wanted but it is a fix
[06:13] <ForgeAus> is it blue or brown/yellow??
[06:14] <jordo23> ForgeAus: Kubuntu.....but I installed it as Ubuntu, installed KDE, and was having some problems with apt. Then installed kde-desktop metapackage and I was wondering if I am full fledged Kubuntu or Ubuntu still
[06:14] <ForgeAus> dwid, similar yes but not the same... you can use desktop packages to include most of the other distro in it...
[06:14] <dwidmann> jordo23, do you mean kubuntu-desktop?
[06:14] <ForgeAus> um did you upgrade it to kjubuntu?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  what did ya want? them to use only posix shell stuff? :)
[06:14] <jordo23> dwidmann: Yeah.....sorry
[06:14] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: yes :(
[06:14] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  and what would that gain anyway? i never have understood that end of the argument.
[06:14] <dwidmann> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage depending on all the packages in a default kubuntu install.
[06:15] <ForgeAus> if you just installed the kubuntu-desktop you should still have ubuntu, but if you upgraded it you might now have kubuntu instead
[06:15] <jordo23> I am having a dreadful problem with apt where it lists packages that are downloaded and no longer required to install packages, they are listed every time.
[06:15] <dwidmann> So, in short jordo23, you're running both.
[06:15] <jordo23> Apt-get autoremove would remove essential packages....
[06:15] <ForgeAus> dwidman true :)
[06:15] <jordo23> anyone here an apt genius?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: dash is faster than bash and handles things differently afaik the errors are more understandable but i havent tested side by side
[06:15] <ForgeAus> jordo I'm not
[06:16] <gnomefreak> jordo23: what about apt
[06:16] <dwidmann> I never bother with apt-get autoremove.
[06:16] <dwidmann> It always bugs me to remove packages that I don't want to have removed.
[06:16] <ForgeAus> same
[06:16] <jordo23> gnomefreak: i will pastebin....one sec
[06:16] <gnomefreak> k
[06:16] <ForgeAus> it also bothers me when installed packages don't show up as installed
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: using what way of checking?
[06:17] <ForgeAus> ie chatzilla, you can install it as a plugin to firefox but adept won't recognize it as being installed
[06:17] <trappist> Dr_willis: if your script isn't posix-compatible, the shebang should call bash, not sh
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: if you didnt get it from the repos it wont show it asa installed
[06:17] <gnomefreak> most of time
[06:17] <dwidmann> If the script isn't posix compliant, someone should get off their lazy butt and make it posix compliant hehehe
[06:18] <ForgeAus> gnomefreak sure but if you have multiple versions (and/or multiple repositories) it could show up to 3 or 4 versions of the same app
[06:18] <jordo23> dwidmann: when I try to install a simple package, like Jokosher.....it lists almost every essential package and tells me to apt autoremove   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/851075
[06:18] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  and thats the core of the question i am asking.. what does  making it posix complent really do for them.
[06:18] <Alumin> Dr_willis: the reason for the posix argument is cross-platform compatibility
[06:18] <ForgeAus> I had that with idle for python
[06:18] <ForgeAus> 3 lots of it showing up...
[06:18] <Alumin> same reason people use #!/bin/sh in their shell scripts instead of #!env bash
[06:18] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: only one version can be installed
[06:18] <ForgeAus> admittedly one was a different version of python
[06:18] <PasNox> thanks for the help...
[06:19] <Dr_willis> I tend to use #!/bin/rexx :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> but i am old-skool
[06:19] <gnomefreak> Alumin: those are 2 differnet shebangs for 2 differrnt terminals
[06:19] <dwidmann> and cross-shell compatibility too ... say we want to use in in dash, or ash, or something other than bash. If a script will only run in bash, then that means it is using **bash specific features**
[06:20] <ForgeAus> dwid precisely
[06:20] <gnomefreak> you can configure what you want the system to use
[06:20] <Alumin> well, right
[06:20] <ForgeAus> bash-speficif scripts
[06:20] <ForgeAus> grr specific
[06:20] <Alumin> but what are the odds that someone's going to have zsh installed
[06:20] <ForgeAus> I think I need sleep
[06:20] <trappist> if it's posix-compliant, it'll run in any posix shell
[06:20] <ForgeAus> its 4am here!
[06:20] <Alumin> that's why I don't write many scripts in zsh, even though it's so much better
[06:20] <Dr_willis> so you could extend this argument and say 'down with rexx/perl/python/ect....' as well ?
[06:20] <trappist> Alumin: lots and lots of people use zsh
[06:20] <Alumin> trappist: yes, but even more people don't :)
[06:21] <ForgeAus> Alum I'd install zsh
[06:21] <jordo23> dwidmann: did you get the link
[06:21] <dwidmann> isn't zsh the shell used in gentoo, iirc
[06:21] <ForgeAus> and tcsh
[06:21] <trappist> Dr_willis: no, those are specific languages, not shells
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Heh -  i stumbled upon a make file once that needed tcsh i think ages ago.
[06:21] <jordo23> dwidmann: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/851075
[06:21] <ForgeAus> I'd probably never use them tho
[06:21] <Alumin> Dr_willis: for system scripts, yes
[06:21] <dwidmann> jordo23: It certainly is asking you to remove a lot
[06:21] <gnomefreak> zsh is popular with alot of the ubuntu community
[06:21] <intelikey> hmmmm     0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 259 to remove and 0 not upgraded.      nice...
[06:21] <Dr_willis> !info fish
[06:21] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21.12-1 (edgy), package size 631 kB, installed size 2560 kB
[06:21] <dwidmann> jordo23, what would doing something like sudo apt-get upgrade do, would that remove the message?
[06:21] <voicu> ok, i'm going nuts. i deactivated animations in konq then the pages wouldn't work as they should. so i activated animations again but nothing works. what else could it be
[06:22] <jordo23> I can try....one sec
[06:22] <ForgeAus> well I must say bash isn't freindly to me
[06:22] <voicu> i'm sure i didn't mess with anything else
[06:22] <ForgeAus> but thas proably because I don't know mucha bout it
[06:22] <hassan2a> good night all
[06:22] <gnomefreak> jordo23: what is the command your using?
[06:22] <jordo23> dwidmann: id nothing...
[06:22] <jordo23> gnomefreak: apt is screwed up
[06:22] <intelikey> ForgeAus bash not friendly ???   8{
[06:22] <gnomefreak> jordo23: no its not what command did you use
[06:22] <ForgeAus> voic maybe try reinstalling konq?
[06:23] <ForgeAus> intelikey probably because I'm more used to MS DOS????
[06:23] <jordo23> gnomefreak: when I try to install any software through apt it instructs me to autoremove a lot of essential packages.....http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/851075
[06:23] <ForgeAus> and/or nt's CMD shell
[06:23] <ForgeAus> I really don't know what I'm doing in bash aside from ls and cd commands
[06:23] <gnomefreak> jordo23: that doesnt give me the command you are using
[06:23] <gnomefreak> jordo23: what is the exact command
[06:24] <jordo23> gnomefreak:  sudo apt-get install <package>  (same for every package)
[06:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands  <---<<<   might make bash a whole lot more user comfi
[06:24] <gnomefreak> jordo23: the packages under autoremove can not be removed unless you use the autoremove command. i need the exact command you used in htis case
[06:25] <ForgeAus> thanx intelikey
[06:25] <ForgeAus> argh how come my firefox addins aren't for all users?
[06:25] <jordo23> gnomefreak:  I am not trying to remove those packages, this is just what happens when I try to install anything......  sudo apt-get install jokosher
[06:25] <gnomefreak> jordo23: looks like you used a remove command with apt and it was an essential package to the kubuntu-desktop set up
[06:26] <prower> Hello :> Anyone else have issues with Kaffeine in Edgy? No idea why but at random times it deadlocks my entire system while playing videos...worked fine before upgrading from dapper
[06:26] <jordo23> gnomefreak:  Yeah....I had to reinstall Kubuntu-desktop.....what now?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  because wouldent you hate it if your mom installed some extension. and it some how loaded for you as well?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> jordo23: install jokosher and paste the command and output to pastebin
[06:26] <ForgeAus> Dr_willis I would if I were in such a position
[06:27] <ForgeAus> fortunately I'm not
[06:27] <ForgeAus> still is there a single place I can put them instead of having to copy?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> im reminded of how that lame YahooMessenger seems to  get installed on all my windows accounts.. when  1 user needs it. :P
[06:27] <ForgeAus> or would a symbolic (or hard?) link work?
[06:27] <jordo23> gnomefreak:   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/851083
[06:28] <gnomefreak> jordo23: the ONLY time apt will remove something on an install command is if it conflicts with a package. jokosher has nothing to do with kde at all only python with a oython-gnome app
[06:28] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  you could download the extension files to some dir. and let the users get to that dir.. or perhaps some how install them in to the /etc/skel dir and all new users would then get them by default
[06:28] <jbchua> hey, I need help configuring a GRUB boot config :\
[06:28] <ForgeAus> lol DrWillis I'm not very multi-user minded at least not with this PC because its mine and I'm pretty much tthe only one that uses it
[06:28] <ForgeAus> but I can understand being mindful of other users on a multi-user system is important
[06:28] <jordo23> gnomefreak: I understand that, how do I get apt back to normal?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> jordo23: it worked fine
[06:28] <Dr_willis> or just share ya .firefox/.mozilla dir.
[06:28] <gnomefreak> jordo23: you cant that i know of
[06:28] <ForgeAus> /etc/skel? ok thanx
[06:28] <dwidmann> jordo23, perhaps the source of your apt problem is resultant of using a mixture of aptitude and apt-get, and possibly other things? hmm, perhaps apt-get -f install would do something useful, that should cough up a fit if you have broken packages
[06:29] <Dr_willis> but really how many users are you going to add in the near future? :)
[06:29] <jbchua> i'm trying to triple boot xp, vista and kubuntu-- anyone succesful in it so far?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> jordo23: the listing of the packages is fixed in feisty i will talk to mvo about what we can and cant do with apt in edgy
[06:29] <ForgeAus> how do you mean share your /.firefox/.mozilla directory?
[06:29] <jordo23> gnomefreak:  tried it, still lists the packages, but nothing installed or removed
[06:29] <ForgeAus> jb does vista still use ntldr?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> jordo23: it lists minimal packages
[06:29] <gnomefreak> jordo23: im using it now
[06:29] <Dr_willis> let the other users access it with permission settings... but that can be bad....
[06:29] <jbchua> no, new bootloader.
[06:30] <intelikey> ForgeAus even if you chuck the other link.  you might want to book mark this one.  http://tldp.org/guides.html    tldp = the linux documentation project is a very useful site for cli or gui linux info.
[06:30] <jordo23> gnomefreak:   In english....I have to wait for that to be fixed?
[06:30] <ForgeAus> jb then I can't help you sorry :(
[06:30] <jbchua> erased GRUB, so
[06:30] <gnomefreak> jordo23: in edgy yes
[06:30] <ForgeAus> well grub can load ntldr
[06:30] <jordo23> gnomefreak:  Ok....thanks for the help....I can certainly live with it.  just an annoyance
[06:30] <jbchua> i'm not sure how to go about loading kubuntu, i don't want to reinstall over it.
[06:30] <ForgeAus> but the new boot manager? I have no idea about
[06:30] <gnomefreak> jordo23: just dont use it you should be fine
[06:30] <intelikey> tldp probably does
[06:31] <jordo23> gnomefreak: dont use apt??
[06:31] <sam__> Hey can anyone help me with installing bzflag?
[06:31] <gnomefreak> jordo23: dont use autoremove
[06:31] <jbchua> yea, i'm not sure about the new bootloader either, there's not even a boot.ini but it seems better than ntldr.
[06:31] <jbchua> really fast boots.
[06:31] <jordo23> gnomefreak: ahhhh.....yes......that's what I was typing next :)
[06:31] <jordo23> thanks for the help
[06:31] <dwidmann> sudo apt-get install bzflag @ sam__
[06:32] <ForgeAus> does it have a system startup setting?
[06:32] <sam__> thanks
[06:32] <Tresko> Hi! So OpenOffice.org 2.0.4 works for you all?
[06:32] <MetaMorfoziS> ForgeAus: you miss the startup registry entries?
[06:32] <jbchua> i found a utility called EasyBCD that controls the bootloader
[06:32] <ForgeAus> you might be able to check that out (where boot.ini used to be in XP/2k) under my computer - properties (or start menu control panel - system in classic mode)
[06:33] <jbchua> and it has a thing called NeoGRUB
[06:33] <MetaMorfoziS> or you want to select/unselect some boottime starting service?
[06:33] <jbchua> supposedly you can just config it like GRUB but it doesn't seem to be working
[06:33] <jbchua> but i might be getting the root wrong i can't check since i can't boot into kubuntu
[06:33] <MetaMorfoziS> ForgeAus: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:33] <ForgeAus> well grubs kinda new to me too
[06:33] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ you can find the list of your oses in that file
[06:34] <MetaMorfoziS> and you can set the timeout and passwords or anything
[06:34] <ForgeAus> Meta including vista?
[06:34] <mhb> hi all
[06:34] <ForgeAus> I know grub finds XP
[06:34] <sam__> how do I change the oreder the systems appear on grub?
[06:34] <mhb> can someone help me how to return K menu to default?
[06:34] <MetaMorfoziS> to default?
[06:34] <MetaMorfoziS> what you have messedup?
[06:35] <intelikey> sam__ re order their listing in the menu.lst
[06:35] <ForgeAus> lol you can change it to default in the menu builder
[06:35] <Tresko> mhb: create a new user?
[06:35] <ForgeAus> just right click it and theres a button in the dialog
[06:35] <ForgeAus> to reset it
[06:35] <sam__> thanks
[06:36] <Tresko> mhb: ye, better do what ForgeAus said :)
[06:36] <jbchua> what would be the kernel path for kubuntu if it was on 1st hard drive third partition
[06:36] <jbchua> 6.10
[06:37] <ForgeAus> heheh man I could only dream of having a PC that boots dos, win98, XP, Vista, Kubuntu, a slackware and/or redhat dist and/or a BSD dist, MacOSX and perhaps OS/2 Warp?
[06:37] <jbchua> well i got xp, vista, kubuntu, os x on my other comp
[06:37] <ForgeAus> just guessing: hda3????
[06:37] <jbchua> but not on a single bootloader
[06:37] <mhb> ForgeAus: perhaps I'm blind but I can't find that button
[06:37] <mhb> ForgeAus: in kmenuedit
[06:38] <intelikey> ForgeAus all but the mac stuff here
[06:38] <ForgeAus> um I'm not in kubuntu right now... might depend on your distro mine was edgy
[06:39] <jbchua> what's edgy's kernel version
[06:39] <ForgeAus> 2.6?
[06:39] <sam__> yep
[06:39] <sam__> 2.6.17
[06:39] <intelikey> mhb you right click the kmenu and choose properties   to get to the reset to default   iirc
[06:39] <ForgeAus> intelikey yeah thats basically it
[06:40] <ForgeAus> but mhb says theres no reset to default in kmenuedit
[06:40] <ForgeAus> which is what right click kmenu, menu editor runs
[06:40] <ForgeAus> very strange
[06:40] <ForgeAus> I'm sure it was there in my kubuntu edgy
[06:41] <ForgeAus> not that I ever needed to reset it
[06:41] <mhb> intelikey: properties?
[06:41] <ForgeAus> if anything I needed to reorganize it a few times
[06:41] <jbchua> hmm, so what's the kernel directory /boot/2.6.17-386
[06:41] <mhb> intelikey: when I right click the K menu button, I don't see any properties
[06:41] <ForgeAus> mhb he's thinking in XP mode
[06:41] <ForgeAus> windows usually has properties
[06:41] <ForgeAus> kde's menu one is the menu editor you seem to have ran
[06:42] <ForgeAus> aside from in there or reinstalling I odn't know how to help
[06:42] <intelikey> mhb configure then
[06:42] <ForgeAus> configure? possibly
[06:43] <ForgeAus> mhb what ARE the options when you right ckick on the kde menu?
[06:43] <ForgeAus> (either the icon itself or a menu item once its open should do)
[06:43] <sam__> OT call me a noob, but where did bzflag go after I did apt-get install bzflag
[06:44] <intelikey>  hehhe they use so many words to get to the same place.   that's one reason i don't use a gui   each desktop uses a different language...
[06:44] <ForgeAus> where dit it go?... proably in the place the program belongs, wherever that is!
[06:44] <ForgeAus> but not everything installs into the kde menu sam....
[06:44] <sam__> true...  alright well I'm off hunting then
[06:44] <intelikey> sam__ what to list what bzflag package installed    dpkg -L bzflag
[06:45] <ForgeAus> sam one good place to start might be /usr/bin
[06:45] <ForgeAus> lots of programs go there
[06:45] <intelikey> want to see the executables    dpkg -L bzflag | grep 'bin/'
[06:45] <mhb> ForgeAus: just move the button, remove the button, k menu edit and panel (kicker) menu
[06:45] <sam__> thank you
[06:46] <ForgeAus> k menu edit is the one you want
[06:46] <ForgeAus> (which version are you using? sounds like kde rather than kubuntu - unless its an older distro like breezy or something))
[06:46] <ForgeAus> in which case I wouldn't know
[06:46] <ForgeAus> in the kmenu edit dialog box what options are there
[06:47] <ForgeAus> a box of the menu items so that you can add/remove most likely... but what else?
[06:47] <jbchua> can anyone on kubuntu 6.10 that boots with GRUB do me a quick favor?
[06:48] <Azzco> Hi I've got a little tweak question. Is it possible to start 2 X servers at start up?
[06:48] <mhb> ForgeAus: feisty
[06:48] <Azzco> jbrice_: What favor?
[06:48] <ForgeAus> ahh ok thats another one I wouldn't know
[06:48] <intelikey> mhb #ubuntu+1
[06:48] <ForgeAus> mhb the option may have been overlooked/not installed into the newer version?
[06:48] <mhb> but it will be the same in edgy
[06:48] <mhb> KDE's the same
[06:49] <ForgeAus> no its not apparently
[06:49] <ForgeAus> nto from what oyu described
[06:49] <ForgeAus> first of all its not even called k menu edit in edgy
[06:49] <jbchua> Azzco: could you just check your menu.lst and paste the kubuntu part
[06:49] <mhb> ForgeAus: I don't use the english version
[06:49] <ForgeAus> its simply labelled as menu editor...
[06:49] <mhb> ForgeAus: kmenuedit is the name of the app
[06:49] <Azzco> one sec then
[06:49] <ForgeAus> kmenuedit is the name of the program it runs tho
[06:50] <ForgeAus> yes
[06:50] <Azzco> Ehhm I'm a bit of n00b at this... where do I find menu.lst?
[06:50] <hatta> /boot/grub
[06:50] <jbchua> yea.
[06:50] <intelikey> jbchua you know that the device may differ  as well as other possable non-conformities
[06:50] <hatta> I hate grub so much
[06:50] <jbchua> well, it doesn't boot at all.
[06:50] <hatta> so so much
[06:50] <jbchua> so it's worth a try.
[06:50] <ForgeAus> hatta I used to use system commander! rofl
[06:51] <hatta> I don't know what's wrong with lilo
[06:51] <ForgeAus> till it killed my NTFS drive
[06:51] <hatta> it actually works
[06:51] <ForgeAus> argh lilo! no thanx!
[06:51] <ForgeAus> thats worse
[06:51] <hatta> I've never had a problem with lilo
[06:51] <mhb> ForgeAus: so you see the apply defaults button there?
[06:51] <mhb> ForgeAus: can you post a screenshot or something?
[06:51] <ForgeAus> I have had lilo remove my access to windows drives before
[06:51] <hatta> lilo "just works"
[06:51] <Azzco> jbrice_:  paste bin?
[06:51] <intelikey> hatta yeah i have to use lilo here grub wont work without partitions.
[06:51] <ForgeAus> but then I knew little about lilo at the time
[06:51] <hatta> hah
[06:52] <hatta> ForgeAus, that's the thing you don't have to know that much to use lilo
[06:52] <ForgeAus> mhb no like I said I'm not in kubuntu at the moment
[06:52] <hatta> you have to read a fucking book to get grub to work
[06:52] <mike> Hello
[06:52] <ForgeAus> hatta, these days it must be a different animal
[06:52] <hatta> no pretty much the same
[06:52] <mike> My screen saver is not working.  Can anyone help?
[06:52] <jbchua> the vista bootloader is good, it's just microsoft doesn't like other company's OS's on machines
[06:52] <jbchua> XP boots much faster than with ntldr.
[06:53] <ForgeAus> well then I don't know what went wrong but lilo was responsible for lots of hard drive carnage my end!
[06:53] <Azzco> jbrice_:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/461/
[06:53] <jbchua> vista is actually pretty good as well.
[06:53] <intelikey> hatta i didn't know komo sutra was required for grub configuration.... maybe that's what i did wrong.
[06:53] <intelikey> :)
[06:53] <Azzco> jbchua: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/461/ Sorry wrong name there =/
[06:53] <hatta> haha intelikey
[06:54] <jbchua> thanks
[06:54] <ForgeAus> microsoft aught to be shot for their anti-alternative OS behaviour
[06:54] <ForgeAus> the whole pointi s to give USERS THE CHOICE right?
[06:55] <intelikey> TCG ^
[06:55] <jbchua> no, it's to make money.
[06:55] <Xal> What'd MS do?
[06:55] <ForgeAus> in fact with ntldr you can :)...
[06:55] <ForgeAus> its just not obvious how...
[06:55] <hatta> Xal, when you install an MS operating system, it overwrites the MBR
[06:55] <Xal> Meh, just use GRUB or something if you want both.
[06:55] <Xal> It's not that hard to reinstall GRUB.
[06:55] <hatta> making it impossible to boot without reinstalling grub
[06:56] <hatta> Xal, still they should respect other OSs
[06:56] <ForgeAus> I have no problem with it overwriting an MBR, I have a problem with it damaging a working O/S tho
[06:56] <Azzco> If it weren't for windows flaws I don't think that as many would switch to linux
[06:56] <ForgeAus> or removing the boot access to another O/S
[06:56] <Xal> They are in it for the money; why should they respect other operating systems when they know theirs is the best?
[06:56] <ForgeAus> Xal thereis isn't the best
[06:56] <ForgeAus> no software is perfect
[06:56] <Xal> I didn't say it is.
[06:56] <ForgeAus> your deluding yourself if you think that
[06:57] <Xal> Any company will believe that their product is the best. That is what I said.
[06:57] <ForgeAus> except perhaps some specific tools for specific tasks...
[06:57] <Xal> I did not say that MS makes superior operating systems.
[06:57] <hatta> because it's the right thing to do?
[06:57] <intelikey> sure theirs is the best, doesn't everyone know that by now.    ** http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp **
[06:57] <ForgeAus> Xal then the company is deluded
[06:57] <hatta> because consumer good will pays back dividends?
[06:58] <Azzco> Okay I want to have a second Xserver running when I boot kubuntu and have a Xterm cd:d to a specific folder... is it possible?
[06:58] <Xal> I suppose it must be the best seeing as it has most of the marketshare.
[06:58] <Xal> I use both Windows and Linux.
[06:58] <intelikey> yeah it's the best.  no questions asked.   http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[06:58] <tony_> microsft needs to thank IBM for all its marketshare in early life of it..
[06:58] <astan> hello folks. anyone know of a KDE ssh-askpass application that is in a repo somewhere?
[06:59] <PasNox> nedd help usb wireless wifi install / configuration
[06:59] <astan> (regular ssh-askpass looks horrible!)
[06:59] <Rogue> Can anyone help with Screen saver?
[06:59] <tony_> now , othere pc vendor just bundle winxp with thier system and people , like it or not paying for the licnencing
[07:00] <intelikey> !wifi | PasNox
[07:00] <ubotu> PasNox: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:01] <PasNox> inc|freaky: i already test all tutorials :|
[07:02] <PasNox> oups
[07:02] <PasNox> intelikey: i already tests all tutorials
[07:03] <PasNox> yes all
[07:03] <intelikey> generally all means all not excluding any.   but in this case all must mean all except the houndreds of thousands that are not included.
[07:03] <PasNox> all on kubuntufr and ubuntufr about ndiswrapper
[07:05] <intelikey> ok.   well if you can't find anyone around here that can/will help  you can always ask in ##linux    i'm network illerate, so i'm no help there.
[07:05] <PasNox> what mean illerate ? sorry my small english :D
[07:05] <ForgeAus> http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[07:05] <intelikey> not abel to read/write
[07:05] <ForgeAus> way better site about bash
[07:05] <intelikey> able ^
[07:05] <ForgeAus> the ubuntu one didn't show me anything new
[07:06] <ForgeAus> (I already knew pwd, rm, cp etc...
[07:06] <PasNox> intelikey: ok
[07:06] <intelikey> ForgeAus did you look at the tldp site :)
[07:06] <sam__> illiterate means not able to read
[07:07] <PasNox> thanks ;)
[07:07] <ForgeAus> nah it was a link from the ubuntu one
[07:07] <ForgeAus> whats tldp stand for?
[07:07] <intelikey> sam__ heh i did kinda turncate that didn't i  :)
[07:07] <sam__> yep... it's all good though
[07:08] <intelikey> ForgeAus we did that bit ^^^   the linux documentation project
[07:09] <ForgeAus> hmmm also
[07:09] <ForgeAus> Don't operate the computer as the superuser. You should only become the superuser when absolutely necessary. Doing otherwise is dangerous, stupid, and in poor taste. Create a user account for yourself now!
[07:09] <ForgeAus> everyone keeps saying that but nobody mentions why
[07:09] <sam__> because you can mess things up
[07:09] <sam__> like the control pannel
[07:09] <ForgeAus> theres warnings all around linux, some IRC channels won't evne let you join if they detect your running as root
[07:09] <sam__> ;)
[07:10] <ForgeAus> because you CAN mess things up not you WILL mess things up
[07:10] <sam__> true, but I guess it's just precautionary.
[07:10] <intelikey> ForgeAus normally irc bots will say that if they see username=root login to a channel
[07:10] <ForgeAus> heck when I was in dos 3.11 I could delete io.sys and mess up my pc too
[07:10] <ForgeAus> but I didn't need to log in as another user just to avoid it!
[07:10] <sam__> thats b/c it's windoze
[07:10] <ForgeAus> um no listen I was talking about DOS
[07:11] <sam__> same thing.
[07:11] <sam__> problem wise
[07:11] <ForgeAus> hangon was it 3.11 or 3.23 I forgot
[07:11] <ForgeAus> too long ago
[07:11] <ForgeAus> I'm getting confused with windows for workgroups 3.11 prolly
[07:11] <sam__> I guess... I don't know.  the oldest I used was windows 3.1
[07:12] <ForgeAus> I used windows 3.0
[07:12] <ForgeAus> I never used windows 1 or 2 tho
[07:12] <sam__> I only played around with 3.1 b/c I found it on a laptop.
[07:12] <intelikey> ForgeAus the reason that irc bots are programed to say that goes beyond "you damaging your system" it involves the possability that others may find/use an exploit in your irc client to then do mallisous things in the channel    it is like running an open proxy for hackers to use...
[07:12] <sam__> 95 was the first in my life.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> as I understand it they weren't too far different from dosshell of dos4/5/6 anyhow
[07:13] <ForgeAus> intelikey security is another thing....
[07:13] <sam__> that makes a lot of sense.... ^^
[07:13] <ForgeAus> that DEPENDS on other people BEING malicious...
[07:13] <ForgeAus> thats not somethign YOUR doing wrong its something THEY'RE doing wrong
[07:13] <sam__> yeah but you can't control them
[07:13] <ForgeAus> sam true
[07:14] <intelikey> ForgeAus correct in part.  but wrong in part.  you are leaving the door ajar for them...
[07:14] <ForgeAus> more to the point the question is how likely are they to do something wrong?
[07:14] <intelikey> very
[07:14] <intelikey> extreemly
[07:14] <ForgeAus> intelikey you have little faith in people I see
[07:14] <sam__> it's what they live to do
[07:14] <sam__> lol
[07:15] <intelikey> happens so much that if you want to test it just login as root and join an irc server
[07:15] <ForgeAus> I did
[07:15] <ForgeAus> earlier today
[07:15] <ForgeAus> to this very server group
[07:15] <ForgeAus> no effects that seem adverse that I was aware of
[07:16] <intelikey> it may not be noticed in the first few minutes but they will come.   "if you use it they will come"
[07:16] <sam__> nope they just took your bank info....lol
[07:16] <ForgeAus> except that one channel didn't let me join because of it
[07:16] <intelikey> several wont let you.
[07:16] <ForgeAus> sam they can't do that if my bank info isn't stored on my pc
[07:16] <dwidmann> man ... that distrowatch thing was great :D
[07:16] <sam__> true
[07:16] <ForgeAus> distrowatch is awesome :)
[07:16] <sam__> yeah it is.
[07:17] <dognews> hi
[07:17] <sam__> hello
[07:17] <intelikey> dwidmann did you follow many of the links in that page ?
[07:17] <dwidmann> Yes, yes I did ;)
[07:17] <intelikey> :)
[07:17] <dognews> did someone of you ever try "Looking Glass" with ubuntu?
[07:17] <ForgeAus> dognews that sounds faimliar but no I don' thtink I tried it
[07:17] <dwidmann> Looking glass, yeah, I tried it
[07:17] <intelikey>     http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[07:18] <dwidmann> Tried it and didn't like it
[07:18] <intelikey> that page ^       ooops i spamed again.
[07:18] <dognews> dwidmann: cool! how is it? does it work? Did it crash in any way?
[07:18] <Thonolan> i have switched back my system from 2 soundcards to 1 unfortunately now i have no default
[07:18] <Thonolan> only this
[07:19] <dwidmann> Well, it works, and it doesn't crash. Some of the things are kind of neat, but overall I found it kind of ugly & annoying :\
[07:19] <Thonolan> cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:19] <Thonolan>  1 [Live           ] : EMU10K1 - SBLive! Value [CT4670] 
[07:19] <Thonolan>                       SBLive! Value [CT4670]  (rev.4, serial:0x201102) at 0xe000,
[07:19] <intelikey> !sound | Thonolan
[07:19] <ubotu> Thonolan: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:19] <dwidmann> intelikey: more than I can image, and I can imagine a lot
[07:19] <trappist> Thonolan: asoundconf list
[07:19] <dognews> dwidmann: how did you install it? With the "LG3D repositories"?
[07:20] <dwidmann> Yep
[07:20] <Thonolan> thx trappist and intelikey
[07:20] <wojtek> cze wszystkim
[07:20] <dognews> dwidmann: and it doesn't kill anything?
[07:20] <trappist> Thonolan: to set your default card to the card you have, asoundconf set-default-card `asoundconf list|tail -n1`
[07:20] <dwidmann> No ... it was even so kind as to add the session to the session list in kdm :)
[07:20] <intelikey> ok i'm out for a bit  or a bite   or maybe an ate bit byte   ....
[07:21] <intelikey> eight
[07:21] <dognews> dwidmann: sounds cool :)
[07:22] <dwidmann> I'd say its biggest downside is that it doesn't pull any of the menu entries from /usr/share/applications, at all, whatsoever.
[07:22] <Thonolan> trappist: do i need to restart after i do that command ?
[07:22] <dognews> dwidmann: installing is really just adding the respository to sources.list, install it via adept and then maybe restart my computer?
[07:23] <FreePBX4698> frepbx1212
[07:23] <dwidmann> dognews: yep
[07:23] <dwidmann> without the restart the computer part
[07:24] <dwidmann> all you have to do  is logout, select lg from the sessions list, and log in
[07:24] <dognews> :o
[07:24] <dognews> cool
[07:24] <dognews> sounds much easyer than XGL and all that stuff ;)
[07:25] <blekos> hi, can anyone tell me where the theme manager is?
[07:26] <sam__> did you try system settings?
[07:26] <sam__> in the k menu
[07:26] <blekos> yes
[07:26] <dwidmann> dognews: if you set up beryl right, you can do the same with it, of course, you actually have to add that session in by yourself, .... the package should handle that IMO
[07:26] <blekos> i c
[07:27] <gnomefreak> jordo23: the autoremove issue is being looked into. it only seems to happen  with kubuntu packages but i talked to mvo and im giving him everything i have on the issue (happens to be alot of stuff) and we will see what can be done
[07:27] <dognews> dwidmann: that stuff didn't work on my computer - maybe because of my ati card :(
[07:27] <sam__> blekos:  ic ? what?
[07:28] <panana> hi
[07:28] <dognews> I think I'll try the live cd of looking glass now :D
[07:28] <sam__> yo
[07:28] <blekos> i cant find the theme manager
[07:28] <blekos> but i show something like style
[07:28] <dwidmann> dognews: well, if 3d hardware acceleration is required for lg3d, it will fail, I can't remember if it requires it or not. I'm fortunate enough to have a nvidia card :)
[07:29] <dwidmann> nvidia cards seem to work with a much greater degree of consistency
[07:29] <sam__> yeah... style is as close as I got , but I'm looking still
[07:29] <ForgeAus> lol dwidmann try doing it in vmware! rofl
[07:29] <dognews> dwidmann: yeah :( - my next computer will surely have nvidia ;)
[07:29] <blekos> i saw look and feel
[07:30] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: try doing what in vmware?
[07:30] <blekos> is that the theme manager?
[07:30] <ForgeAus> dognews: well, if 3d hardware acceleration is required for lg3d, it will fail, I can't remember if it requires it or not. I'm fortunate enough to have a nvidia card :
[07:30] <dwidmann> dognews: the cards aren't too expensive, you could replace it alone ...
[07:30] <ForgeAus> (sorry repeating your line)
[07:30] <ForgeAus> I have an ATI card personally
[07:30] <ForgeAus> so I guess I'm in a similar boat.... besides I'm in VMware running linux
[07:31] <dwidmann> so, what is the host os forgeaus?
[07:31] <ForgeAus> so its a virtual machine, I doubt the graphic adapter has NVIDIA capabilities
[07:31] <ForgeAus> but it does have Direct3d support!
[07:31] <blekos> is there smng gnome's theme manager?
[07:31] <ForgeAus> XP dwidmann
[07:32] <ForgeAus> Virtual machines are an awesome and safe way to try linux
[07:32] <ForgeAus> at least thats my experience sofar
[07:32] <Balsamic_Chicken>  what's the equivalent of ekiga and camorama from gnome in kubuntu
[07:32] <sam__> yep
[07:32] <dognews> dwidmann: the live cd of xgl worked fine with my card
[07:32] <dwidmann> I have around 4 or so VMs setup, different versions of Ubuntu, and the like, completely bare, for testing stuffl.
[07:32] <sam__> I had problems, but that was b/c I needed more ram
[07:32] <dognews> ForgeAus: why not try knoppix?
[07:32] <ForgeAus> dognews I have
[07:33] <ForgeAus> and linspire
[07:33] <ForgeAus> and kubuntu
[07:33] <ForgeAus> and lunar linux
[07:33] <ForgeAus> and wolvix
[07:33] <ForgeAus> and currently zenwalk
[07:33] <ForgeAus> kubuntu's been my fav sofar
[07:33] <sam__> knoppix doesn't have everything you could want
[07:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> ForgeAus why has kubuntu been ur favorite
[07:33] <sam__> it's good for trouble shooting though
[07:34] <ForgeAus> if I manage to get mandriva and/or Mac OS downloaded they'll be soon in line
[07:34] <ForgeAus> Balsamic, mostly aesthetic reasons....
[07:34] <ForgeAus> and Adept
[07:34] <dwidmann> mac os can be downloaded?
[07:34] <sam__> anyone tried automatix?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> dwidmann not legally
[07:35] <dwidmann> I didn't think so ...
[07:35] <ForgeAus> if I want it legally I might need to settle for darwin
[07:35] <ForgeAus> or mac os 7.x
[07:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> why
[07:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> are those cheaper
[07:35] <ForgeAus> basillisk 2 already did macos7.x tho
[07:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> or free
[07:35] <ForgeAus> so not much point there
[07:35] <sam__> I have a legit copy of 8, but I don't know where it is.
[07:35] <ForgeAus> 8 doesn't have an x86 architecture version tho
[07:36] <ForgeAus> you need 10+ I think... for vmware qemu xen or whichever vm your using
[07:36] <sam__> didn't know 7 did.
[07:36] <sam__> sorry not a mac guy
[07:36] <dwidmann> indeed, and emulating ppc is dead slow, if it can be done, if I remember right
[07:36] <ForgeAus> unless you drop back to an emulator like Basillisk
[07:36] <ForgeAus> it can be dwidmann
[07:36] <ForgeAus> pearpc does it
[07:36] <dognews> well then... my live cd is ready :) - I'm curious to see the world through a "looking glass" ;)
[07:36] <dognews> bye
[07:36] <ForgeAus> but probably your right about the slowness I'm not sure
[07:36] <ForgeAus> I havn't tried it yet
[07:37] <dognews> dwidmann: thank's for you help :)
[07:37] <dwidmann> O.O that was mighty fast dognews
[07:37] <sam__> Yeah I don't have a ppc that works.
[07:37] <dwidmann> You're welcome
[07:37] <sam__> te monitor keeps going out on mine
[07:37] <ForgeAus> I'm more likely to find a vmware preinstalled (or illegal macosx iso) torrent
[07:37] <ForgeAus> either way its not exactly above board
[07:38] <sam__> what?  dwidmann no mac?
[07:38] <dwidmann> no mac
[07:38] <sam__> that all we had through school.
[07:38] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure exactly where VMware images stand legally but I'm sure it wouldn't be legal without permission at least
[07:38] <sam__> your not missing much
[07:38] <sam__> no offense
[07:38] <sam__> you can't really get into the system as much as I wanted to
[07:38] <dwidmann> All we had were ancient winblows machines that didn't work when we really needed them to ... unreliable.
[07:39] <frojnd> has anyone import gmail contacts into konversation and how he maneged to do this?
[07:39] <ForgeAus> I better go
[07:39] <sam__> that b/c it was windoes
[07:39] <ForgeAus> too tired
[07:39] <sam__> night then
[07:39] <dwidmann> Well, when I was in elementary school, I think we had really, really ancient macs
[07:39] <ForgeAus> ancient macs are easy to toy with
[07:39] <ForgeAus> vMac for one
[07:40] <sam__> yeah we did too, but they upgraded by the time I got out.
[07:40] <dwidmann> that was a really, really long time ago though
[07:40] <sam__> lol.
[07:40] <sam__> how long is that?
[07:40] <ForgeAus> LC's were the biggest upgrade my school got which kinda dates me a bit
[07:40] <dwidmann> I think they upgraded when I was in middle school, and they had the shiny new macs with the colourful plastic and everything, my brother told me.
[07:40] <sam__> dare I ask what an LC is?
[07:40] <ForgeAus> just a mac of sorts
[07:41] <ForgeAus> os 7. something or other
[07:41] <ForgeAus> colour screen
[07:41] <ForgeAus> 17is inch monitor
[07:41] <ForgeAus> nice for its time
[07:41] <ForgeAus> slimline case
[07:41] <dwidmann> and when I say an ancient mac, I'm not even sure it was ... I know it was gui-less, but they were apples or macintoshes or something along those lines
[07:41] <ForgeAus> known as a mac LC
[07:41] <sam__> yeah.  17" was big until recently
[07:41] <sam__> no gui?  thats hardcore
[07:42] <ForgeAus> you mean an apple ] [e? or a IIgs?
[07:42] <ForgeAus> macintosh was never gui-less
[07:42] <dwidmann> yes, and it was also before 3.5" floppies existed *gasp*
[07:42] <sam__> they were truly floppy
[07:42] <ForgeAus> yeah then it was probably an apple ] [
[07:42] <sam__> we had a dos machine like that
[07:42] <ForgeAus> but it wasn't a macintosh of any description
[07:43] <ForgeAus> macintosh's OS kinda crept into an alternate mode of IIgs
[07:43] <ForgeAus> thats the first PC I saw with a gui from apple
[07:43] <Azzco> My swap isn't acvtivated? Can someone help me?
[07:43] <dwidmann> I guarentee it had the little apple on there o.O
[07:43] <ForgeAus> other than a fake gui emulated in an apple ] [
[07:43] <sam__> apple, but not a mac
[07:43] <ForgeAus> as various programs may have had
[07:43] <sam__> before mac
[07:44] <dwidmann> so really, really old
[07:44] <sam__> sorry I don't know about the swap
[07:44] <sam__> yeah pretty much
[07:44] <ForgeAus> apple macintosh systems were all gui-based
[07:44] <dwidmann> Azzco: swapon /dev/something
[07:44] <Azzco> THX dwidmann I'll try it
[07:44] <ForgeAus> they used to be mostly black and white
[07:45] <ForgeAus> the MacClassic and MacPlus being the most common ones I come across
[07:45] <dwidmann> the something needs to be exchanged with the device of the swap partition, of course, Azzco
[07:45] <sam__> yep.  I have an ancient word processeor at my house
[07:45] <sam__> you know a type writer with a monitor
[07:45] <Azzco> yeah kind of understood that ;) it's a extended partition...
[07:46] <dwidmann> I used to toy with a 1982 (or somewhere in there) dos box, I was pretty clueless when it came to that back then though
[07:46] <sam__> its normally hda the number after your ext3 partition
[07:46] <sam__> yeah never played with anything quite that old
[07:46] <Azzco> Ahh great it worked thanks dwidmann
[07:46] <danny500> #ubuntu
[07:46] <dwidmann> Azzco, you should also add it to your /etc/fstab file, if you want it to be permanent
[07:47] <Azzco> okay I'll check it out
[07:47] <sam__> what options would you use for that?
[07:47] <snikker> i'm unable to run this command: "sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward", i've got "permission denied"
[07:47] <dwidmann> should be able to do something like this: sudo -s, then do this: tail -1 /etc/mtab >> /etc/fstab
[07:49] <Azzco> What does that command do?
[07:49] <sam__> good question
[07:49] <sam__> :)
[07:50] <Azzco> Okay back to Unreal Tournament thx for the help =)
[07:51] <unfun> How do I choose sound device?
[07:52] <sam__> sorry the best I can do is go to control center and see what you can find
[07:53] <nox_> sup ppl ?
[07:54] <magnus_> MSN messanger for kubuntu what to use'
[07:55] <nox_> AMSN
[07:55] <sam__> gaim
[07:55] <sam__> I would use it at least
[07:55] <nox_> Its just what you like
[07:55] <nox_> :)
[07:55] <nox_> AMSN looks like Live messenger
[07:55] <ForgeAus> kopete?
[07:55] <nox_> Also a choise haha
[07:56] <ForgeAus> I heard its not so good for MSN tho
[07:56] <magnus_> Yes but I am a newbiee in the Linux world so I am listening to experience ;-)
[07:56] <ForgeAus> theres AMESS as well
[07:56] <ForgeAus> (or is that what became AMSN??)
[07:56] <adz21c> kopetes always been good for msn for me
[07:56] <sam__> and its already installed
[07:56] <ForgeAus> adz kewl :) then its ok
[07:56] <gravygoat> kopete works fine, has (some) webcam support
[07:56] <nox_> like I said, just what you like I think :D
[07:57] <ForgeAus> Ir emember one of the protocols in kopete wasn't so crash hot... but then I don't have enough experience in it to remember
[07:57] <adz21c> yea, cams fine for me, you don't get voice chat i don't think, buyt msn voice sux anyway so no loss there
[07:57] <ForgeAus> thats probably what they meant by it being not so crash hot??
[07:58] <gravygoat> not sure what "crash hot" means :-)
[07:58] <ForgeAus> I use WLM instead of MSN anyway... mostly for text and fonts
[07:58] <ForgeAus> gravygoat, probably excelling expectations
[07:59] <adz21c> my main complaint about kopete is the whole "inviting" people for stuff ... that interface for inviting people is poor, you can't cancel unless they accept first .... and you don't know if they got the invite or not
[07:59] <ForgeAus> adz I've only tried kopete for IRC and it was kinda strange
[07:59] <Balsamic_Chicken> i need help with webcam, it's a logitech quickcam pro 5000, what's the general steps to setting this up
[07:59] <adz21c> well i wouldn't use it for IRC
[07:59] <ForgeAus> worked like a charm!
[08:00] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: setting it up with what?
[08:00] <ForgeAus> but the visual thing was kinda... um.... wierd
[08:00] <danny500> Hi Jucato
[08:00] <adz21c> i never used kopete for irc, i always used something thats dedicated for irc, like konversation and xchat
[08:00] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c i have no idea =(
[08:00] <ForgeAus> just because it tries to be lush rather than compact for individual messages
[08:00] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: i mean u want to use it with kopete or amsn or gnomemeeting or what
[08:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c o, i want it for kopete
[08:01] <yaotzin> Hi
[08:01] <danny500> Happy New year everybody
[08:01] <yaotzin> How to install Opera 32bit on UBUNTU 64 bit
[08:01] <danny500> Hey Jucato, my sound card won't work
[08:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c i've just been aimlessly installing camoranma, and xawtv, and etiga, and stuff like that
[08:01] <unfun> How do I get my surround 5.1 to work?
[08:01] <sam__> good luck with the 32 on the 64.
[08:01] <danny500> Opera 32bit should just work on the 64 shouldn't it?
[08:01] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c also anything v4l, v4l2 related from the synaptic thing
[08:01] <yaotzin> thanks
[08:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c not sure how to pull it together tho
[08:02] <sam__> if you want firefox use automatix
[08:02] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: well I have the 4000 and if its anything like that, you plug in the cam, launch kopete, go to configure devices,
[08:02] <yaotzin> :/
[08:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c o, i'll try that
[08:02] <yaotzin> No
[08:02] <sam__> sorry
[08:02] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c where's configure devices?
[08:02] <danny500> don't 32bit opperations work faster on 64bit systems?
[08:02] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: configure kopete or something like that
[08:02] <sam__> they only use half the processor
[08:03] <danny500> oh ok I see
[08:03] <sam__> they don't even know the other core exists
[08:03] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: "Configure..." then theres an option devices
[08:03] <danny500> does anybody know how to get my sound card working?
[08:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c yeah doesn't work for me, sucks =(
[08:03] <judgen> stupid computer..... now i cant get fglrx to work again...
[08:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> adz21c thx tho
[08:03] <sam__> did you start alsa
[08:03] <danny500> how do I do that?
[08:03] <sam__> or arts
[08:03] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: ok then go in there is the option "Disable memory mapping" checked?
[08:03] <danny500> I use alsa
[08:03] <sam__> google.com/linux
[08:03] <yaotzin> architecture of 64 bit systems is different
[08:04] <danny500> how do I get alsa to start working?
[08:04] <sam__> sorry I really don't remember it was like two years ago.
[08:04] <yaotzin> than 32 bit
[08:04] <sam__> yes it is
[08:04] <danny500> It was working befor but linux just resently decided to stop giving me sound ;(
[08:04] <tony_> HOw can i set VLC media player as my default Media player ?????
[08:05] <sam__> yeah you need to restart alsa then
[08:05] <danny500> how do I do that?
[08:05] <sam__> try looking it up on goole.com/linux
[08:05] <danny500> is there something I have to  type?
[08:05] <danny500> oh ok
[08:05] <danny500> thanx
[08:05] <sam__> I really don't remember.  I read it out of a book
[08:06] <adz21c> Balsamic_Chicken: if you uncheck it it might work after that, like untick it, close configure and reopen and it may work ... thats what i have to do for my camera
[08:06] <judgen> Where did i disable the Trash folder as the default delete action?
[08:07] <sam__> I didn't know you could disable the trash
[08:07] <judgen> ive done it before, but i dont remember how
[08:07] <sam__> sorry I'm not the guy to ask
[08:07] <judgen> drives me spare to have to shift-del everything
[08:09] <fdoving> judgen: open konq -> settings -> configure konqueror -> behavior -> at bottom.
[08:11] <sam__> So how old is everyone on here?
[08:11] <judgen> old
[08:13] <sam__> alright I'm out.
[08:14] <judgen> =)
[08:18] <juif> hello, i've been doing pretty much anything to my kubuntu install, and would like to re-install it all from scratch, but i have 100 gigs of data in my /home directory.... if i just put the kubuntu cd in the drive and reboot/install will i have the option of simply reinstalling without crushing all my home dirs ? or is there somthing i should do first. ALL i need is under /home.
[08:19] <juif> there does not seem to be a partition specifically for /home
[08:19] <juif> when i df -h
[08:21] <Thonolan> trappist: still have this
[08:21] <Thonolan> dietrich@ubuntu:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:21] <Thonolan>  1 [Live           ] : EMU10K1 - SBLive! Value [CT4670] 
[08:21] <Thonolan>                       SBLive! Value [CT4670]  (rev.4, serial:0x201102) at 0xe000, irq 5
[08:22] <Thonolan> cant set this back to 0 or set as default
[08:22] <trappist> Thonolan: what does asoundconf list say
[08:23] <Thonolan> trappist:
[08:23] <Thonolan> Names of available sound cards:
[08:23] <Thonolan> Live
[08:23] <trappist> Thonolan: and what happens if you say asoundconf --set-default-card Live
[08:24] <Thonolan> trappist: i had do this but nothing change
[08:25] <trappist> Thonolan: nothing as in what? what are you trying to accomplish?
[08:26] <Thonolan> trappist sorry for my bad english i have tested 2 cards an usb headset with cmi and the live
[08:26] <Thonolan> and i have found in wiki that i can fix it that usb is default
[08:27] <trappist> Thonolan: your soundblaster live card is a usb card?
[08:27] <trappist> or, what are you trying to do?
[08:28] <Thonolan> trappist: No i have test a few days an usb headset and the live headset was 0 or default Live was 1
[08:28] <Thonolan> but now i want only to use the Live  again alone
[08:28] <Thonolan> as default
[08:28] <Thonolan> or as 0
[08:29] <trappist> Thonolan: asoundconf --set-default-card Live should do that.  /proc/asound/cards may not show it as 0, but that doesn't mean anything.
[08:29] <Thonolan> ah thank you
[08:29] <trappist> 0 doesn't mean default (afaik)
[08:29] <Thonolan> omg i thought that
[08:30] <thompa> howdy, I just did a bios update for an asus mobo that was for linux, wondering if best practice is too reinstall kubuntu or anything
[08:30] <trappist> thompa: no need for that
[08:31] <intelikey> at the very most rebuild the initramfs.img
[08:31] <thompa> trappist, its an asus m2n32 and it was giving me trouble before
[08:31] <intelikey> but most likely not needed.
[08:32] <Thonolan> trappist: thank you for your patience and your help my systemsounds works now
[08:32] <thompa> trappist, now seems OK, though ubuntu is still not so responsive as kubuntu it seems
[08:32] <Thonolan> and apologize my bad english
[08:32] <thompa> there are tons of bios settings on this thing, im also wondering if I should go 64 bit?
[08:33] <thompa> trappist, thanks
[08:33] <dognews> hi
[08:33] <trappist> Thonolan: good deal :)
[08:33] <Thonolan> :)
[08:34] <thompa> trappist, i noticed since update of bios my box is now silent, no noise
[08:34] <thompa> can you recommend if i should go 64 bit
[08:34] <trappist> thompa: as far as 64bit, you might get a nice performance boost, but you'll have trouble with proprietary software like flash, w32codecs, the sun java plugin, etc.
[08:35] <trappist> thompa: those problems can be solved/worked around, but it takes some work
[08:35] <trappist> I run 64bit, btw
[08:35] <thompa> trappist, i only need real player for BBC,
[08:35] <dognews> I'm trying to install looking glass, but with the "core" package of it, adept gives me this error: "Could not commit changes: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[08:35] <intelikey> trappist k8 ?
[08:35] <trappist> intelikey: yeah
[08:35] <esaym> is there anyway to get konqueror to save folder view settings and stuff like in windows?
[08:36] <thompa> trappist, also i am using this eventually as a server for school, so i thought 64 would be better maybe
[08:36] <thompa> trappist, i know in mepis 64 realplayer works somehow
[08:36] <trappist> thompa: 64bit is great for servers, since you shouldn't need to worry about stuff like firefox and mplayer
[08:36] <thompa> trappist, thanks, can you listen to BBC
[08:36] <dognews> Can I restart downloading that package somehow? When I restart it, it doesn't download the package again, but tries to install it and gives me that error
[08:37] <trappist> thompa: yeah a lot of 32bit apps will work just fine, but for example 32bit plugins won't work in a 64bit browser
[08:37] <intelikey> trappist for one that uses no  proprietary software  would k8 be a good investment ?   the latest hardware i have came with win95 on it   so i am starting to think about upgrading my hardware... ?
[08:37] <trappist> thompa: probably, but I have a 32bit chroot for running all my 32bit stuff (that's the work I was referring to)
[08:37] <thompa> trappist, maybe thats what mepis did, helis is working on 64 version still
[08:38] <thompa> trappist, thanks for the tip, this is so weird after bios upgrade my box is silent
[08:38] <trappist> intelikey: it depends a lot on what you'll be doing with the system.  from what I can tell, if you have plenty of ram, and you'll be doing a lot of math-intensive stuff (like 3d graphics) it's probably worth it
[08:39] <thompa> asus m2nn32 even comes with linux drivers on cd
[08:39] <intelikey> trappist and if not  what you you sujest ?
[08:39] <trappist> intelikey: k8 is still the way to go hardware-wise, but it may not be worth it to run a 64bit os
[08:40] <intelikey> reason i'm asking, i am seriously gathering input on the subject.      ok.    thanks.
[08:40] <dognews> I did "apt-get clean" and it's downloading again - I hope it works now
[08:41] <frojnd> why aplicationd doesn't wanna work when I open it with wine
[08:43] <intelikey> frojnd  http://winehq.com  iirc
[08:44] <intelikey> check the list of known issues known working apps
[08:44] <frojnd> I have installed wine..
[08:44] <intelikey> frojnd yes i know.
[08:44] <intelikey> there is a list you chould check for your app
[08:45] <intelikey> not all things work in wine=wine is not an emulator
[08:45] <frojnd> hm
[08:45] <FisherP> !lamp
[08:45] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:46] <FisherP> !mysql
[08:46] <intelikey> there are also helpful instructions on that site.   (assuming i got the url correct)
[08:46] <frojnd> intelikey: what kind of list I am looking for
[08:46] <dognews> !php
[08:46] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:47] <intelikey> frojnd  http://appdb.winehq.org/
[08:47] <intelikey> that one i think
[08:48] <intelikey> frojnd also  http://wiki.winehq.org/   can be very useful
[08:51] <frojnd> well I wanna run detelfone similar to skype..
[08:51] <intelikey> !skype
[08:51] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:52] <lxuser> I have already install the kubuntu-desktop in my box but have a problem with the keyboard layout
[08:52] <intelikey> !keyboard
[08:52] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[08:52] <dognews> !42
[08:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 42 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <lxuser> gonna check
[08:53] <dognews> this bot is cool (y)
[08:53] <zorglu_> hello people
[08:53] <dognews> !lg3d
[08:53] <intelikey> !thanks | dognews
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lg3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:53] <ubotu> dognews: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[08:53] <lxuser> I have the keyboard working in US but in Language and REgion options
[08:54] <dognews> intelikey: did you make ubotu?
[08:54] <intelikey> !botabuse | intelikey
[08:54] <ubotu> intelikey: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[08:54] <thompa> trappist, would you know if beryl works in 64 kubuntu perhaps?
[08:54] <intelikey> dognews no.
[08:54] <lxuser> have no keryboard layouts in kubuntu system preference
[08:54] <dognews> intelikey: why did you say "thanks" then? ;)
[08:55] <intelikey> just playing i guess.
[08:55] <trappist> thompa: it does here :)
[08:55] <intelikey> !botsnack | dognews
[08:55] <ubotu> dognews: Yum!
[08:55] <thompa> trappist, was that a special 64 version?
[08:56] <lxuser> some could help me here
[08:56] <tony_> THIS sound stupid, but why frostwire program is not closing ??? i clicked on x and on close , but it just minmizes to task
[08:56] <dognews> !botlaugh | intelikey
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botlaugh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <trappist> thompa: no, there are 64bit packages, but I just checked out the svn repo and built from source
[08:56] <frojnd> is there any other prog that is similar to wine..
[08:56] <thompa> trappist, ok so its possible, thansk again...
[08:56] <frojnd> couse I don't see the way to solve my problem
[08:57] <intelikey> tony_ agrabating isn't it.   right click the taskbar icon and tell it what you want.
[08:57] <lxuser> switch the keyboard layout is blank
[08:57] <lxuser> none keyboard layout its been display
[08:57] <intelikey> frojnd cedega
[08:57] <dognews> !podcast
[08:57] <intelikey> !cedega
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about podcast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[08:58] <zorglu_> !msg
[08:58] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[08:58] <zorglu_> not what i wanted
[08:58] <frojnd> intelikey: so cedega is specified on games..
[08:58] <tony_> sorry i don't follow intelikey
[08:58] <lxuser> keboard layout empty
[08:58] <intelikey> frojnd cedega is not free
[08:58] <trappist> frojnd: it's specialized for games, but it's just just for games.  it's still wine, though.  what's your problem?
[08:59] <trappist> s/just just/not just/
[08:59] <nikola> hi
[08:59] <nikola> i just got this workin :P
[08:59] <nikola> took a while.....
[08:59] <Rogue> Can anyone help with Screen saver?
[08:59] <intelikey> nikola salute.
[08:59] <lxuser> ok I have found is a bug in kubuntu
[09:00] <zorglu_> you mean you dunno how to use i t? :)
[09:01] <intelikey> is   i t   it or internet techknowledgy
[09:03] <intelikey> cool.  talking on the irc browsing the web using blackbox and only 20m of memory used.....   i so like linux.
[09:03] <frojnd> trappist: my problem is when I run wine everything works fine, I write my use rname pass and when log in it freezes... here is log:
[09:04] <frojnd> q@umbrella:/media/sda6/Program files/DetelFone$ wine DetelFone.exe
[09:04] <trappist> could somebody post or pastebin /etc/cups/cupsd.conf for me?  I broke mine.
[09:04] <frojnd> fixme:advapi:SetEntriesInAclA 1 0x780da0 (nil) 0x780dc0
[09:04] <frojnd> fixme:winstation:OpenInputDesktop (0,0,1): stub
[09:04] <frojnd> fixme:winstation:OpenInputDesktop (0,0,1): stub
[09:04] <frojnd> and so on...
[09:04] <intelikey> would but mine was a wreck and i rm'd it.
[09:05] <trappist> frojnd: a) don't paste here please.  b) some apps just won't work in wine, but you may have luck with cedega or cxoffice if ye olde wine doesn't work
[09:05] <trappist> intelikey: yeah me too, and I don't see a way to replace it :)
[09:05] <frojnd> are they free?
[09:05] <frojnd> cxoffice?
[09:05] <trappist> frojnd: nope
[09:05] <trappist> frojnd: codeweavers.com
[09:05] <intelikey> reinstall cupsys ?
[09:06] <frojnd> trappist: do I need serial or smth?
[09:06] <trappist> intelikey: no good, it complains (insanely) that cupsd.conf doesn't exist
[09:06] <frojnd> and for how long serial last?
[09:06] <intelikey> 8{
[09:06] <trappist> frojnd: for cxoffice, yes - come to think of it, they have a 30 day demo you can try
[09:07] <trappist> anyone else?  pastebin /etc/cups/cupsd.conf for me?
[09:08] <intelikey> trappist rm -fr /etc/cups* ;apt-get install --reinstall cupsys        never barked a time on 32bit dapper   ?
[09:08] <trappist> intelikey: doesn't work here on 64bit edgy
[09:09] <trappist> intelikey: but, I just remembered I have another edgy box at home, I just scp'ed from there and I'm back in business :)
[09:09] <intelikey> hmmm odd.    i wonder if its  the release or the bit differance.  ?
[09:09] <trappist> surely it's a package thing
[09:09] <trappist> i.e., release
[09:10] <intelikey> is it a pre/post-inst script failing ?
[09:11] <trappist> intelikey: postinst
[09:11] <intelikey> but the foomatic-db is borked in dapper.   so i'm still outa luck.
[09:11] <intelikey> trappist that could still be 64bit related or release version tho
[09:12] <intelikey> it depends on what may have changed from 32 to 64 bit.
[09:12] <trappist> intelikey: no conceivable reason 64bit would affect that
[09:12] <intelikey> they may have rewritten the scripts
[09:13] <BluesKaj> someone need a cups.conf?  http://pastebin.ca/305369
[09:13] <BluesKaj> 32 bit
[09:13] <trappist> BluesKaj: thanks, I found one though :)
[09:13] <BluesKaj> ok np :)
[09:13] <intelikey> BluesKaj don't have a foomatic-db handy do ya ?       jk.
[09:16] <BluesKaj> intelikey, which file do you need there are several in the -db section
[09:16] <frojnd> is there some kind of server that runs windows applications?
[09:16] <BluesKaj> jk :)
[09:17] <intelikey> BluesKaj :)
[09:17] <BluesKaj> actually searching konq is pretty fast
[09:21] <intelikey> no actually i tried for a week to get this lexmark 1020 setup  all i could get out of kprinter-config (/sp) was an app lockup  finally got an error message   foomatic-db has bad code in it  dubble root:  or some such don't recall exactul what   but it just can't parse the database     i hit it a few more times and gave up.  still no printer.  and the lex 1020 is well supported, it's never given any trubble except this time
[09:22] <intelikey> and that probably turncated.
[09:23] <dny_> what do i need to install for mp3 support?
[09:23] <BluesKaj> weird , pc connected printer or network?
[09:23] <intelikey> lp0
[09:23] <BluesKaj> !amarok
[09:23] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[09:23] <intelikey> but how it's connected makes little differance if the printer database is unparsable
[09:24] <BluesKaj> ok
[09:24] <dny_> theres no mp3 support, even with amarok
 your also going to want to install automatix
[09:24] <dny_> you need any libraries i think, but i dont know which
[09:24] <spitwise> dny_: you need to edit your /etc/apt/source.list
[09:25] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[09:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:25] <intelikey> !mp3 | dny_
[09:25] <ubotu> dny_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:25] <spitwise> hi intelikey
[09:25] <BluesKaj> :)
[09:25] <intelikey> spitwise
[09:25] <BluesKaj> what are gstreamer apps ?
[09:26] <intelikey> we could do !restricted also
[09:26] <intelikey> and !formats  i think
[09:26] <BluesKaj> !gstreamer
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <intelikey> apps that use gstreamer input ?
[09:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> hi i really neeed help setting up logitech quickcam pro 5000, i tried what little was on google but i think all the "guides" are missing obvious but important steps, i downloaded a bunch of stuff, but just don't know how to pull it together, one error msg in ekiga says color pallete format not recognized, some other things say the frame size isn't the same, some say no driver found, i don't even know what driver i'm
[09:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> stupposed to use, thx, sorry for the long msg
[09:28] <intelikey> !webcam
[09:28] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:29] <intelikey> check the second then use the first.
[09:29] <crusty> hello! my automatix reposito fail......cant install medya player! what to do????
[09:29] <Balsamic_Chicken> intelikey:k, not sure if i've seen this before, but i'll try it just in case, fingers crossed
[09:30] <intelikey> Balsamic_Chicken make your cam is listed
[09:30] <intelikey> if it's not supported all the howto's in the world wont help
[09:30] <Rogue> Screen saver does not lock the screen and the only one that runs is the large "X" no matter which screen saver is selected.  Anyone with an answer?
[09:31] <Balsamic_Chicken> intelikey: no it's not supported, but that's why i felt it was complicated, i looked at almost all the guides, but people at mandriva got my webcam to work on theirs, should work on kubuntu as well, just don't know how
[09:32] <intelikey> Rogue right click the desktop > configure desktop > screen saver > lock desktop box[]  ?
[09:32] <intelikey> Balsamic_Chicken outa my domain.
[09:32] <intelikey> sorry.
[09:32] <Rogue> intelikey: I have it set it just does not work.
[09:32] <intelikey> you hit apply
[09:32] <Rogue> intelikey: yes
[09:32] <intelikey> test
[09:32] <Balsamic_Chicken> intelikey np, just hoping someone might know
[09:33] <intelikey> trappist might have a clue
[09:33] <JimDanger> Is there a way to record a few second clip from a DVD to a video file? My google-fu is turning up absolutely nothing.
[09:33] <intelikey> rip'ing vidio
[09:33] <intelikey> rip
[09:34] <JimDanger> not the whole dvd
[09:34] <haidozo> #sabayon
[09:34] <JimDanger> just like a scene that i can convert to mpg/avi
[09:34] <paolo__> x
[09:35] <intelikey> JimDanger oooh yuch  not mpg not avi  yse free formats
[09:35] <intelikey> use
[09:35] <intelikey> !freeformats
[09:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:35] <crusty> i have problem with automatix2.....cant install media player....help????????
[09:35] <intelikey> see the last link
[09:35] <intelikey> !automatix
[09:36] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:36] <Tm_T> Hi kids.
[09:36] <crusty> thanks ubutu!!!!
[09:36] <intelikey> !thanks | crusty
[09:36] <ubotu> crusty: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:37] <intelikey> !bot
[09:37] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:39] <intelikey> 5 links to one infonode       why not just make all links point to  http://wiki.ubuntu.com   and be done with it.
[09:39] <intelikey> !wiki
[09:39] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[09:39] <intelikey> like that one. ^
[09:40] <sam__> how do I change my name on here?
[09:40] <intelikey> /nick
[09:40] <VSpike> I'm probably missing something obvious, but can anyone tell me in TaskJuggler how I make the GUI update from the source file?  The only way I've found is to close the project and reopen it
[09:40] <intelikey> /nick new-name
[09:40] <sam__> thanks
[09:41] <chuen> Just wanted to say 'Hi'. I've been trying out the Live CD over the last 48 hrs and am very impressed.
[09:41] <chuen> Am seriously considering ditching XP altogether!
[09:41] <intelikey> ha   dudeman   nice nick
[09:41] <dudeman> thanks
[09:41] <dudeman> yeah kubuntu is pretty cool
[09:42] <dudeman> nice.
[09:42] <intelikey> chuen don't do that  go read this first. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[09:42] <chuen> Where would I look to find out about re-formatting HD and installing there?
[09:42] <dudeman> lol
[09:42] <intelikey> !gparted
[09:42] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:42] <helge> suggestion for video editing software(pinnacleish)?
[09:42] <dudeman> google.com/linux
[09:42] <chuen> ok will check both urls
[09:42] <dudeman> kino
[09:42] <dudeman> it comes with
[09:42] <dudeman> I think
[09:43] <dudeman> I have it.
[09:43] <helge> I also have kino, but it doesnt work very well (as i remember it)
[09:43] <dudeman> I haven't used it.
[09:43] <dudeman> I don't own a camera honestly
[09:43] <dudeman> lol
[09:43] <dudeman> I just know it's editing software
[09:44] <intelikey> !doesn't work
[09:44] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[09:44] <chuen> Like the irony  (at distrowatch)
[09:44] <intelikey> chuen you quit too soon.
[09:44] <intelikey> :)
[09:44] <helge> I didnt meaan that it didnt work AT ALL, I just wanted something slightly more fancy
[09:44] <dudeman> that was pretty funny. I laghued
[09:44] <intelikey> check some of the links in that page
[09:45] <intelikey> there is some sirious stuff there also.
[09:45] <dudeman> so does superkaramba just use a lot of system resources?
[09:45] <chuen> ok intelikey
[09:46] <dudeman> because it put my processor at 30% all the time
[09:48] <intelikey> hmmm i'm using 30m of ram now.   10m of that is a game.  i knew games were bad for the computer...
[09:48] <dudeman> so has anyone got wireless to work?
[09:48] <intelikey> dudeman many
[09:49] <intelikey> !wifi
[09:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:49] <dudeman> I know.  it finds my card, but the card doesn't stay up
[09:49] <intelikey> but !i cause i don't have any wireless hardware.
[09:49] <chuen> OK guys gotta run and copy all my vital files to my external HD before I wipe everything (next week!)
[09:50] <intelikey> chuen k good luck to your penguin
[09:50] <chuen> thx intelikey
[09:55] <jpiccolo> how do you click the ok button when installing vmware player though adept
[09:56] <danny500> I need ma d help right away I just did the stupidest thing ever!
[09:56] <intelikey> use apt-get install to install it.
[09:57] <intelikey> danny500 lets hear about it.
[09:57] <Valmarko_> Konqueror cant play video streaming. Is there a solution ?
[09:57] <danny500> how do I get into the users and groups through the terminal?
[09:57] <Tm_T> danny500: It depends what you need.
[09:57] <Mace68> lo all, what is the package name for xchat?
[09:57] <intelikey> danny500 what did you do ?     what do you need to do ?
[09:58] <intelikey> you break sudo ?
[09:58] <Mace68> tried "sudo apt-get install xchat"
[09:58] <intelikey> xchat2 i think
[09:58] <Tm_T> Mace68: "apt-cache search xchat" might help.
[09:58] <Mace68> thanks
[09:58] <intelikey> you can use *    sudo apt-get install xchat*
[09:58] <BluesKaj> xchat works  fine
[09:59] <danny500> ok I went into the "users and groups" application and changed it a little and now I lost the use of a bunch of Administration controls and the "users and groups" program was one of them!
[09:59] <Tm_T> intelikey: Not wise, if you don't know what packages there is.
[09:59] <BluesKaj> xchat2 is the windows free vers
[09:59] <Mace68> Couldn't find package "xchat".  However, the following packages contain "xchat" in their name: xchat-gnome-common xchat-gnome
[09:59] <Tm_T> intelikey: Especially if user is "Just do it I don't care" ok ok -clicker.
[09:59] <intelikey> wild cards work with apt     and you always see the list and the   y-n option
[10:00] <danny500> ok I went into the "users and groups" application and changed it a little and now I lost the use of a bunch of Administration controls and the "users and groups" program was one of them!
[10:00] <intelikey> unless you add -y   or some such
[10:00] <intelikey> danny500 you broke sudo
[10:00] <danny500> and now I need to use the terminal to undo it but I don't know how to do that.
[10:00] <danny500> yeah I think
[10:00] <intelikey> confirm that with this command     sudo echo yes
[10:01] <intelikey> boot to single user mode and add your admin user to the group admin.
[10:01] <danny500> nothing happened
[10:02] <intelikey> yes it's broke.      boot to single and.     usermod -G admin <username>
[10:02] <danny500> ok how do I do the ogin to single user mode?
[10:03] <danny500> do I go to the login window?
[10:03] <Tm_T> intelikey: Hmm, sudo broken -> no way to call shutdown?
[10:04] <Mace68> are xchat-gnome-common xchat-gnome the correct packages for kubuntu?
[10:04] <frojnd> how do I set myself not being away with konversation?
[10:04] <Tm_T> Mace68: Yes.
[10:04] <Mace68> ty
[10:04] <danny500> no I can use programs like normal but just not the Administration programs
[10:04] <Tm_T> frojnd: Just /away ?
[10:04] <frojnd> doesn't work
[10:05] <HymnToLife> Mace68, I personnally use xchat and xchat-common
[10:05] <frojnd> it says ur now away
[10:05] <dope> how do i find details on my hardware
[10:05] <HymnToLife> don't like the xchat-gnome GUI much
[10:05] <danny500> the only progs I can use are the Device manager, and the System Monitor
[10:05] <Mace68> xchat isn't found
[10:05] <HymnToLife> !info xchat
[10:05] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[10:05] <HymnToLife> Mace68, dou you have !universe enabled ?
[10:05] <Tm_T> dope: lshw or so, buut, that gives a lot info.
[10:06] <danny500> !users and groups
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about users and groups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <danny500> damn it, hold in I'll be right back
[10:06] <Mace68> HymnToLife: that may be it... is kynaptic installed by default in kubuntu? if not what is the package manager?
[10:07] <HymnToLife> the default Kubuntu package manager is Adept
[10:07] <HymnToLife> and IMO it's really bad
[10:07] <jfields> amen to that
[10:07] <HymnToLife> I always install Synaptic, though I'm a KDE user
[10:07] <jfields> same
[10:07] <Mace68> sudo apt-get install synaptic?
[10:07] <HymnToLife> yes
[10:07] <Mace68> is it in the base repos?
[10:08] <HymnToLife> !info synaptic
[10:08] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.57.11ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 1032 kB, installed size 5420 kB
[10:08] <HymnToLife> yep
[10:09] <Mace68> thanks HymnToLife
[10:10] <danny500> ok I'm back
[10:11] <danny500> what I want to get into is the  gksu users-admin  program
[10:12] <HymnToLife> danny500, that's in GNOME
[10:12] <HymnToLife> you should have something similar in KCOntrol
[10:12] <danny500> I went into it a couple of minutes ago and it shut me out of a bunch of programs. I tried running  gksu users-admin  in the terminal and all it says is "daniel is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[10:13] <danny500> I don't have KCOntrol
[10:13] <danny500> #ubuntu
[10:15] <Blacken> Anyone attempted to make an Inspiron E1505's microphone work under Linux?
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> !mic
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm the bot doesn't know anything
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> !microphone
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <jose> hi, i lke make a full nmap description, what is sentenses?
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> yea see that's the best I can help with
[10:18] <frojnd> how do I set myself not being away with konversation? just /away won't work
[10:18] <jose> can help me?
[10:18] <HymnToLife> frojnd, /back ?
[10:18] <HymnToLife> !helpme | jose
[10:19] <ubotu> jose: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:19] <frojnd> HymnToLife: tnx :)
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> frojnd: ctrl shift A
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> HymnToLife: the question was above
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> followed by a help request
[10:20] <HymnToLife> oh yeah, right
[10:20] <BluesKaj> frojnd, look in settings/identities
[10:21] <BluesKaj> hehe
[10:22] <jose> hi, i lke make a full nmap description, what is sentenses?
[10:24] <gdiebel> Blacken: it is possible, just google for it
[10:25] <Blacken> gdiebel: Unlike most, I Google before I come here. I'm not seeing much. :P
[10:27] <spitwise> while trying to install php: E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[10:27] <spitwise> ...and won't install
[10:28] <spitwise> and nevermind.
[10:28] <intelikey> hehhe sorry i missed that one.  "<Tm_T> intelikey: Hmm, sudo broken -> no way to call shutdown?"    what happened to the gui shutdown and the three fingured salute   :)
[10:29] <spitwise> :D
[10:29] <intelikey> not to mention sysRQ calls
[10:29] <intelikey> or pulling the plug if need be   lol
[10:29] <Tm_T> intelikey: Hm?
[10:30] <bobleny> hello?
[10:30] <Tm_T> intelikey: Aaah, yes, KDM has shutdown, I forgot that.
[10:30] <bobleny> what is KDM?
[10:30] <intelikey> Tm_T and the console still accepts ctrl+alt+del  by default also
[10:30] <Tm_T> intelikey: And for finger acrobacy... I try to avoid that.
[10:31] <intelikey> why ?
[10:31] <Tm_T> bobleny: That login system.
[10:31] <intelikey> it does  init 6     it's as safe as you get.
[10:31] <Tm_T> intelikey: Dunno, just doesn't feel the first option to me.
[10:31] <Anakin> hello I have a problem I installed beryl and after a few days I updated and added some kde stuff and also xmms and since then beryl stoped working. I use kubuntu 6.10
[10:32] <Tm_T> intelikey: What I was hunting with shutdown command, you don't have to reboot and you can go to "mainteance mode", iirc that's single user mode without reloading kernel.
[10:32] <intelikey> say nate
[10:33] <adaptr> erm, okay: "nate"
[10:33] <Tm_T> adaptr: Oh, how original. :)
[10:33] <intelikey> Tm_T that would be    init 1      but you can't do that without root perms
[10:33] <Tm_T> intelikey: True.
[10:33] <adaptr> well, there's no nate here, so what else could he mean ?
[10:34] <intelikey> adaptr not watching ip's are you.
[10:34] <intelikey> -:- fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com]  has joined
[10:34] <adaptr> intelikey: no, why would I ?
[10:34] <fowlduck> what?
[10:35] <intelikey> it'd keep you from things like this.
[10:35] <fowlduck> like what?
[10:35] <intelikey> i said howdy nate
[10:35] <fowlduck> revealing my ip address and first name?
[10:35] <intelikey> :)
[10:35] <adaptr> heh, exactly
[10:35] <fowlduck> i'm sceeeeered
[10:36] <adaptr> don't shake the duck!
[10:36] <fowlduck> too late *poops all over your lawn*
[10:36] <adaptr> damn ducks
[10:36] <intelikey> fowlduck you did that when you joined i just reposted it for adaptr     and some how i starting to wonder if you guys are playing me....
[10:37] <adaptr> not consciously.. but you're biting :)
[10:37] <fowlduck> i guess by some lakes where i live the ducks and geese pooping on lawns is a real problem
[10:37] <fowlduck> intelikey: i don't play people
[10:37] <intelikey> oh i'm sorry
[10:37] <adaptr> well, they tend to crap all over my car too - I live next to a moat
[10:37] <fowlduck> intelikey: but of course this is just my word, and is worth nothing on the internet, so whatever
[10:38] <fowlduck> intelikey: but I'm sure you've seen me around enough to know that I am an independent entity, at least
[10:38] <fowlduck> hehe :)
[10:38] <fowlduck> I don't think I've ever been quoted like that.  :)
[10:39] <intelikey> fowlduck said "my word is worth nothing on the internet"      :)
[10:39] <fowlduck> lol
[10:40] <intelikey> :)
[10:40] <adaptr> of course, copies aren't worth much on the internet eiter, so...
[10:40] <fowlduck> it's true, and it's sad.  Everyone is fairly anonymous, so accountability is null.
[10:40] <intelikey> "to thine own self be true"
[10:41] <fowlduck> indeed
[10:41] <apixelatedoffice> what do I need type in the command line to switch from my current Gnome to Kubuntu
[10:41] <fowlduck> "yo tengo los gatos en mis pantalones"
[10:41] <intelikey> but what is a consciense worth nowa days
[10:41] <fowlduck> intelikey: if you appraise it based on rarity, a lot
[10:41] <intelikey> lol
[10:41] <intelikey> too true
[10:42] <coreymon77> fowlduck: the only this i understood there was you were saying something about pants
[10:42] <fowlduck> my conscience is brutal. :)
[10:42] <intelikey> apixelatedoffice  logout and select kde as the login session
[10:42] <fowlduck> coreymon77: I said I had cats in my pants
[10:42] <fowlduck> ;D
[10:43] <apixelatedoffice> intelikey OK, but... will it switch it permanantly, or do I always have to do that?
[10:43] <nixternal> Snakes on a plane, cats in pants, sounds quite OT to me :)
[10:43] <fowlduck> apixelatedoffice: it will ask if you want it to be the default session
[10:43] <intelikey> apixelatedoffice you can choose make default
[10:43] <Anakin> hello I have a problem I installed beryl and after a few days I updated and added some kde stuff and also xmms and since then beryl stoped working. I use kubuntu 6.10
[10:43] <fowlduck> nixternal: OT?
[10:43] <nixternal> offtopic
[10:43] <apixelatedoffice> fowlduck, Ok thanks! :^)
[10:44] <apixelatedoffice> and intelikey
[10:44] <apixelatedoffice> :)
[10:44] <fowlduck> Anakin: is there a ubuntu-beryl channel?
[10:44] <Tm_T> !xgl
[10:44] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:44] <Anakin> yes there is thank you :)
[10:44] <fowlduck> !beryl
[10:44] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:44] <Tm_T> Hmh,
[10:44] <Tm_T> fowlduck: You don't trust me?
[10:44] <fowlduck> np Anakin, people in there will have a better idea, and there is less clutter
[10:45] <fowlduck> Tm_T: how do you mean?
[10:45] <Tm_T> fowlduck: Well, you actually pointed to same channel.
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> heya nixternal
[10:45] <fowlduck> Tm_T: I was trying to do a channel list when I saw you do that, so I figured I would do the same.  I had no idea that was in response to his question.
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> oops wrong channel
[10:45] <Tm_T> fowlduck: ;)
[10:46] <gabi> hello hello from my fresh kubuntu! wanna ask you something
[10:46] <fowlduck> Tm_T: my apologies :)
[10:46] <fowlduck> gabi: shoot
[10:46] <gabi> I use for Ym!
[10:46] <gabi> kopete
[10:46] <gabi> how do i remove someone from my ignore list?
[10:46] <Tm_T> fowlduck: Just make sure that doesn't happen again or I rip your *** out, err... ;-P
[10:46] <gabi> can anyone help me ?
[10:46] <intelikey> /ignoer name none
[10:47] <fowlduck> Tm_T: your warmth and kindness will live on for generations.  we will write songs about it!  ;D
[10:47] <Tm_T> I know! <3
[10:47] <intelikey> or ip or what ever you have blocked.
[10:47] <gabi> big thanks
[10:47] <fowlduck>  /ignore works better though ;)
[10:47] <fowlduck> muhahaha...i'm funny....
[10:47] <intelikey> typo king reigns on
[10:48] <gabi> ok....
[10:48] <gabi> big thanks guys
[10:48] <fowlduck> long live the king!
[10:48] <gabi> i'll try this now
[10:48] <fowlduck> k gabi, pz
[10:48] <intelikey> gtyp
[10:48] <intelikey> gltyp
[10:48] <intelikey> that's it.
[10:49] <intelikey> and gltyp
[10:49] <fowlduck> say wha?
[10:49] <enlight-_^> hi!
[10:49] <intelikey> gltyp= good luck to your penguin
[10:49] <gabi> thanks intelikey
[10:49] <gabi> :P
[10:50] <enlight-_^> you know, i thought, that kde is stupid
[10:50] <enlight-_^> but now I know, that it's super!
[10:50] <gabi> enlight, kde is better than gnome in my opinion
[10:50] <fowlduck> enlight-_^: osx pwns kde, tbh.  but kde is pretty snazzy
[10:50] <enlight-_^> and every day i use gnome
[10:50] <enlight-_^> osx pwns ?
[10:50] <intelikey> and you are the first one to ever think that.   congratz
[10:50] <fowlduck> lol :)
[10:51] <apixelatedoffice> I tried logging out and selecting the KDE enviroment, but it wasn't there, I don't think I have it installed... what should I type in the terminal to get a nice installation (with extra KDE stuff) (if possible?)
[10:51] <fowlduck> i actually like both kde and gnome, i tend to switch between them
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> how can I make irssi not show joins/quits in a gnome-terminal?
[10:51] <enlight-_^> kde is stupid ::D
[10:51] <fowlduck> heh
[10:51] <intelikey> apixelatedoffice oh  well install it.
[10:51] <enlight-_^> i don't know
[10:51] <hatta> we need to settle this once and all with a no holds barred GUI cage match
[10:51] <hatta> last one standing wins
[10:52] <apixelatedoffice> OK... I guess I can worry about the extra's later. :)
[10:52] <fowlduck> hatta: sounds good, throw in some mud and broken glass and we'll really have some fun
[10:52] <fdoving> apixelatedoffice: 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop'
[10:53] <intelikey> apixelatedoffice install kubuntu-desktop if you want all the kubuntu defaults    or  install kde  if you just want to add kde to your system
[10:53] <gabi> hey there, wanna ask you something, again :) : where does kubuntu keeps his wallpapers ?
[10:54] <fowlduck> he's gone
[10:54] <gabi> what?
[10:54] <spitwise> mother of god my browser will not parse php!!:!~@E
[10:54] <intelikey>  /usr/share/
[10:54] <fowlduck> gabi: I think wherever you like
[10:54] <enlight-_^> coopa
[10:54] <fowlduck> gabi: errr no, that's gnome
[10:54] <fowlduck> nvm
[10:54] <hatta> on the wall?
[10:54] <enlight-_^> and does konqueror parse php?
[10:55] <gabi> don't think so
[10:55] <fowlduck> enlight-_^: no browser should parse php
[10:55] <intelikey> with or without php installed ?
[10:55] <enlight-_^> i know
[10:55] <spitwise> its installed ;P
[10:55] <fowlduck> enlight-_^: php is a server-side language
[10:55] <frojnd> how do I know adress of my computer (for krdc)
[10:55] <enlight-_^> without ::D
[10:55] <enlight-_^> fowlduck: i know :/
[10:55] <fowlduck> frojnd: what OS is it running?
[10:55] <fowlduck> enlight-_^: ok :)
[10:55] <enlight-_^> i know php very good
[10:55] <intelikey> frojnd ifconfig
[10:55] <spitwise> and no konquerer dont eiether
[10:55] <spitwise> its my apache
[10:56] <frojnd> fowlduck linux
[10:56] <enlight-_^> :/
[10:56] <enlight-_^> konqueror is like ms iexplorer
[10:56] <intelikey> blasphemy
[10:56] <frojnd> inet addr: IP ?
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> but a lot better
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> and not insecure
[10:56] <intelikey> enlight-_^ you go do 1000 hail tux's
[10:57] <fuk> enlight-_^: yeah, right...as a fiat is like a ferrari
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> so nothing like IE
[10:57] <enlight-_^> i thought about
[10:57] <spitwise> cat test.php
[10:57] <enlight-_^> that it's file explorer + web browser
[10:57] <frojnd> how can someone connect on my linux with vnc
[10:58] <oslo> hi, how can i make a friend listen the audio flow i listen on amarok ???
[10:58] <frojnd> how do I set preferences in krdc
[10:58] <enlight-_^> how i can destroy kde?
[10:59] <intelikey> remove gamin
[10:59] <enlight-_^> destroy at all
[10:59] <enlight-_^> i'll erase kde from your computers!
[11:00] <b0nn> Im having trouble attempting to install kubuntu on a laptop.  I try to boot the livecd, and it gets to the mouse 'x' sitting in the middle of the screen, and stops.  Any ideas?
[11:00] <intelikey> not mine.
[11:00] <enlight-_^> i'll erase kde from your computers! all!
[11:00] <intelikey> enlight-_^ not mine.
[11:01] <enlight-_^> your also
[11:01] <intelikey> you can't
[11:01] <gabi> b0nn, try with another cd
[11:01] <intelikey> hard to erase what isn't there.
[11:01] <gabi> i've had the same problem on my desktop with fedora
[11:01] <gdiebel> oslo: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23630 it allows remote control with an xul interface
[11:01] <rizwaan> ip address assignment
[11:01] <b0nn> I'll see if I can find another one
[11:01] <rizwaan> eth0
[11:01] <rizwaan> netconfig missing...?
[11:01] <enlight-_^> i'll erase all
[11:02] <enlight-_^> intelikey: do you use gnome?
[11:02] <intelikey> enlight-_^ no.    as for kde... that's how i know what removing gamin will do.
[11:03] <enlight-_^> quitam ju
[11:03] <enlight-_^> dobrej nocy ::)
[11:03] <intelikey> well  !
[11:04] <rizwaan> manual ip address is lost
[11:04] <rizwaan> knetconf ip address is not shown with ifconfig eth0
[11:05] <spitwise> !php
[11:05] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:05] <intelikey> why add eth0   just ifconfig     should list all
[11:05] <intelikey> say nate
[11:06] <fowlduck> ??
[11:06] <intelikey> :)
[11:06] <spitwise> intelikey: why does apache hate me?
[11:06] <intelikey> spitwise i don't know.  maybe you need a bath ?
[11:06] <spitwise> i'm seriously at a loss.
[11:07] <intelikey> spitwise no.   all kidding aside,  i know nothing about apache.
[11:07] <intelikey> or php or sql
[11:07] <intelikey> or ethernet
[11:07] <intelikey> or routers
[11:07] <bobleny> Is there a shortcut to the desktop?
[11:07] <spitwise> mkay
[11:08] <intelikey> ....  i'm like the only guy here that has never setup a network.
[11:08] <b0nn> gabi: permission to kiss you :)
[11:09] <intelikey> bobleny excuse me ?     short cut to the desktop ?= show desktop applet ?
[11:09] <txus> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:09] <bobleny> huh?
[11:10] <intelikey> right click the taskbar -> add applet -> show desktop      <<<<< is that what you want ?
[11:11] <intelikey> (>>  <- now i'm a sargent   :)
[11:11] <spitwise> heh libapache-mod-php*
[11:11] <bobleny> Yes, that too
[11:11] <intelikey> lol
[11:11] <bobleny> is the a sequance of keys to show desktop?
[11:11] <bobleny> Like in windows, you would hold the windows key and press "d"
[11:12] <fowlduck> bobleny: sounds like sokmething you could easily google yourself
[11:12] <spitwise> YAY
[11:12] <bobleny> maybe, but I thought it wouldn't be a problem to ask here
[11:12] <intelikey> bobleny idk but if not you can set one.  and you can check in the same way    kcontrol -> something -> keyboard shortguts
[11:13] <intelikey> something = look & feel  ???
[11:13] <intelikey> if i had kde i'd look and see.
[11:14] <intelikey> but sense i don't you can look and see for me then tell me how to help you find it.
[11:14] <kubuntian> !emoticon
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emoticon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <kubuntian> guys.... do you have any idea on how to save personal emoticons in kopete?
[11:15] <intelikey> !i
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <Ralth> Hello!  I am trying to mount my windows partition using the "Disk & Filesystems - system settings" dialog.  The problem is that It only has permissions for root, not my main account.  How do I fix that?
[11:15] <intelikey> !botsnack
[11:15] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:16] <b0nn> how do I report a typo in the installer?  I am preparing to partition my drive, and I am warned "Warning, you can lost data!", which of course should read "Warning, you can lose dat!"
[11:16] <intelikey> !ntfs | Ralth
[11:16] <ubotu> Ralth: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:17] <intelikey> b0nn are you sure  ????    "Warning, you can lose dat!"  <--- hehhe
[11:17] <intelikey> one good typo deserves anothre
[11:17] <b0nn> lol
[11:17] <b0nn> yeah I just saw that
[11:17] <b0nn> but lost/lose?
[11:17] <intelikey> !bug | b0nn
[11:17] <ubotu> b0nn: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:18] <intelikey> try dat ^
[11:18] <b0nn> thanking you
[11:18] <intelikey> who day say we don't have no fun round here,  who dat ?
[11:18] <b0nn> dat will do!
[11:18] <intelikey> ok
[11:19] <intelikey> :)
[11:19] <b0nn> lol
[11:19] <intelikey> >:] 
[11:21] <Ralth> I have HPFS/NTFS for my windows partition ... is there any way to access it?
[11:21] <intelikey> b0nn i've been hammered for the same thing.  you are talking to the typo king here.   and if you pissmell a word while pointing out a typo it really draws ridicule from dem dat don't no no better.  :)
[11:21] <gdiebel> Ralth: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[11:22] <b0nn> lol
[11:22] <b0nn> theres a convention on usenet that when pointing out spelling errors one must spel rong two
[11:23] <intelikey> !ntfs | Ralth
[11:23] <ubotu> Ralth: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:23] <intelikey> b0nn really ?     id fit right in there.
[11:23] <b0nn> lol
[11:24] <intelikey> unfortunately it's because i dropped out of high school to do drugs in the 70's   rather than because im lazy.
[11:24] <Seta-San> kubuntu and ubuntu won't install on my computer
[11:25] <intelikey> or was that because i'm lazy ???
[11:25] <b0nn> I'm :P
[11:25] <b0nn> Seta-San: no chance you could elaborate?
[11:26] <intelikey> !don't work
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about don't work - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <intelikey> !don't_work
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about don't_work - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <b0nn> !unemployed
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unemployed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <fowlduck> !abuse
[11:26] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:26] <intelikey> !doesn't work
[11:26] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[11:27] <intelikey> there it R
[11:27] <b0nn> My god this installer sucks!!!
[11:27] <b0nn> Wheres the cfdisk!!
[11:27] <intelikey> b0nn the liveCD   yessir it does.
[11:27] <b0nn> wheres the mkfs prompt!!
[11:29] <b0nn> It (the installer) has already resized a partition, created the new partitions, formatted them appropriately, and is 58% through copying files)
[11:29] <intelikey> the liveCD installer reeks of an unsavory aromah
[11:30] <intelikey> b0nn yep hope you didn't have any "dat" that you wanted to keep
[11:30] <b0nn> lol I havent built a dual boot in... at least 2 years
[11:31] <intelikey> i haven't used a partition in about that long
[11:31] <b0nn> good times.. good times
[11:34] <intelikey> well after long (almost 5 minutes) intense study of the subject, i have determined that it's not worth the effort to discover whether or not i'm lazy...
[11:34] <Alumin> five entire minutes hehe
[11:34] <Alumin> I think you've already discovered :P
[11:34] <intelikey> any you can quote me on that  :)
[11:35] <intelikey> any/and/
[11:36] <intelikey> Alumin yeah and i have had plans now for the last 30 years to start a procrastination club in this area,  just haven't gotten to it yet.
[11:36] <intelikey> back soon.
[11:38] <kubuntian> Hey? which package do i have to install to have the SVN command?
[11:38] <fowlduck> i'm guessing subversion
[11:38] <b0nn> or subversion-tools
[11:40] <nixternal> ok k3b guru's. why does k3b only give me 1x-4x for speed? cdburner on this laptop is 24x and i have burned at 24x
[11:40] <nixternal> in the past
[11:40] <kubuntian> fowlduck: do you know how to apply a patch to an application that is in SVN?
[11:40] <kubuntian> i never tried it and i have no idea :(
[11:41] <nixternal> my lord, don't try and change settings when a cd is in the drive ;/
[11:42] <fowlduck> kubuntian: no
[11:43] <fowlduck> kubuntian: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/HOWTO_Patch
[11:46] <frojnd> I forgot password for my XP, so I need similar program as saminside to recover encrypted password in file   SAM ?
[11:46] <frojnd> does anyone know for that kind of program?
[11:46] <frojnd> or package
[11:48] <[Relic] > !planner
[11:48] <ubotu> planner: project management application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.14.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3044 kB, installed size 6716 kB
[11:51] <[Relic] > hah! got what I was looking for on the first try  :)
[11:55] <BTR> Does anyone know of a p2pfile sharing program?
[11:55] <b0nn> eg?
[11:56] <BTR> b0nn: Is eg the full name of the programme?
[11:56] <b0nn> no
[11:56] <b0nn> eg what sort of p2p program are you looking for
[11:56] <MrJoey> Does anyone know of a p2pfile sharing program? [11:56] <b0nn> like bittorrent, l;imewire?
[11:57] <BTR> Oh, like limewire
[11:57] <_JP> !kdesvn
[11:57] <ubotu> kdesvn: subversion client with tight KDE integration. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (edgy), package size 1405 kB, installed size 3304 kB
[11:57] <MrJoey> I've used KTorrent (A KDE frontend to BitTorrent) before, and I thought it was very good.
[11:57] <MrJoey> !ktorrent
[11:57] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1155 kB, installed size 5032 kB
[11:57] <MrJoey> neat ;)
[11:58] <Linux_Galore> MrJoey: new stable version of ktorrent has just been released
[11:58] <b0nn> theres a gnu client for limewire but I cannot remember the name of it
[11:58] <BTR> Damn:(
[11:58] <Linux_Galore> nope sorry its rc1, but its very stable Im using it -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26353&PHPSESSID=83b0228a0eb024c2e20958e98912420c
[11:59] <b0nn> gnutella == limewire client
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> think its called frostwire
[11:59] <Alumin> uh
[11:59] <Alumin> limewire == gnutella client :)
[11:59] <TheGateKeeper> !frostwire
[11:59] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:59] <b0nn> I think there must be a few of them
[11:59] <BTR> Thanks alot!
[12:00] <Alumin> my favorite p2p app is mldonkey
[12:00] <Alumin> that's overkill for most people's needs though I guess
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> if you want to cover "all" the protocols (even bittorent) its hard to go by mldonkey (with the kmldonkey GUI)
[12:01] <Alumin> kmldonkey is nice, check out sancho too
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> mldonkey is basically the kitchen sink app of p2p
[12:02] <Alumin> yeah, that's why I like it :)
[12:02] <Alumin> although I sometimes use Azureus for BT stuff
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> if mldonkey doesnt support the protocol its because its not worth the bother
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> yeah, azureus is still the king of speed on BT
[12:03] <Alumin> I just like the fact that it's client/server
[12:03] <Alumin> I don't care about speed that much, I just like the feature set
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> Ive yet to find anything that gives me 400k/s +
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> other than azureus
[12:04] <Alumin> wtf are you downloading that you get 400k/s hehe
[12:04] <Alumin> actually I think I got that kind of speed downloading knoppix
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> yeah, downloading Linux iso's is a good speed test, people are happy to share that type of stuff
[12:05] <we6jbo_> Hi
[12:05] <sc4ttrbrain> i ve got 1.5M/s using azureus ;) now
[12:06] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[12:06] <Linux_Galore> my best speed so far is 9mb/s on a ftp server for some packages
[12:06] <Alumin> you must be in europe
[12:06] <Linux_Galore> (has a 22mb/s speed cap)
[12:07] <we6jbo_> I'm still trying to figure out how to install and setup a NNTP server that will let my group connect to it and post messages like usenet.
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> no Australia
[12:07] <Alumin> ah
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> ADSL2+
[12:07] <Alumin> still not the networking backwoods of the world AKA the United States
[12:08] <hepme> kde refuses to load for me for some reason. it just shows the background wallpaper image and the cursor and that's it. no panel or desktop icon or anything. then after a few minutes it completely freezes and i have to reboot
[12:08] <Alumin> I suppose I shouldn't complain, we did manage to evolve past the two cups connected by string
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: heh, Australia is pretty remote, USA get newer hardware and better prices than we do
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> gets*
[12:08] <hepme> it was working fine before and i shutdown properly and booted into windows but when i came back to kubuntu it wont load, i'm in console mode right now
[12:08] <Alumin> Linux_Galore: yeah, and all that new hardware and prices still gets me 600 Kb/s tops
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: I actually buy my hardware in the USA not locally
[12:08] <Alumin> and I mean _tops_
[12:09] <Alumin> like, that's the highest I've EVER SEEN ... average limit is about 90
[12:09] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: ouch
[12:09] <Alumin> with my alleged 3 Mb/s cable modem
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: yeah, the Gov has been on this broadband thing now to try get Australia in the top 10
[12:10] <Alumin> but, as I said, I'm patient...so it works out OK :)
[12:10] <hepme> does k3b work from the livecd? i might need to use the livcd to burn files to recover since kde wont load for me anymore
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> hepme: yes
[12:10] <Alumin> hepme: should, as long as the hardware autodetect found your cd writer
[12:10] <hepme> but will it let me access my existing ext3 partition from the livecd to burn files?
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> hepme: yes
[12:11] <hepme> k great
[12:11] <frojnd> hello has anyone else has problems witd decrypting SAM passwords? what's the name of package to do this (I don't wanna DL knoppix or slax)
[12:11] <b0nn> k3b is just a gui for cdrecord
[12:11] <hepme> er but how do i burn a cd if i have the livecd in my drive
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> b0nn: k3b is also a ripper now
[12:11] <Mace68> does kubuntu come with a firewall?
[12:12] <hepme> er wait, cdrecord is a command line cdburner? that's what i need. is it hard to use, how can i burn a folder as data with it?
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: Linux has a built in firewall
[12:12] <hepme> i'm in a desparate situation :)
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hepme,  ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  '
[12:12] <Alumin> hepme: if you want to do this without k3b, you'll need mkisofs and cdrecord
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: Kubuntu doesnt enable the firewall by default but its easy to set it up, just install firestarter
[12:12] <Alumin> well, you'll need those either way
[12:12] <Alumin> those are the programs k3b uses to make CDs from on-disk data
[12:12] <Mace68> via apt-get i guess?
[12:13] <Alumin> you can use k3b to run them or run them by hand
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: yep, its very easy to use
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: even has a first time run wizard
[12:13] <Mace68> ok, thanks much Linux_Galore :)
[12:13] <Alumin> hepme: but if you have knoppix, just use k3b
[12:13] <Alumin> I would anyway
[12:14] <BluesKaj> hepme , did you try 'startx' at the prompt
[12:14] <BluesKaj> ?