[12:19] <LarstiQ> woha, why does it attach twice?
[12:41] <lifeless> ddaa: hi
[12:41] <lifeless> ddaa: w.r.t. mirrors.sourcecontrol.net, the tla push mirrors were never hosted at canonical
[12:41] <lifeless> jblack did not get them migrated in. instead the datacentre mirrored from where they pushed to, in a pull manner.
[12:42] <lifeless> so miles' problem is that jblack has stopped doing that.
[12:42] <ddaa> oh
[12:42] <ddaa> lifeless: can you reply to the gnu-arch-users?
[12:42] <ddaa> I do not really feel qualified to explain this.
[12:43] <ddaa> because, well, until now, I did not know :)
[12:43] <ddaa> lifeless: BTW, should probably do something about the pages on sourcecontrol.net
[01:04] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood belated-afternoon Launchpadders!
[01:17] <mpt> BjornT, are you around?
[01:26] <kiko> hopefully asleep by now
[01:26] <kiko> as I will soon be
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77896 in rosetta "Digikam has no translation template in Ubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77896
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77899 in malone "can't add upstream bug report to bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77899
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77900 in launchpad "Launchpad drops attachements in mail replies to bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77900
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77901 in launchpad "Front page layout is broken on staging" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77901
[03:14] <LarstiQ> doh
[03:14] <LarstiQ> time to sleep
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77908 in malone "Don't invite me to mark a duplicate if it's not allowed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77908
[06:18] <lifeless> spiv: is there a python module to parse sh ?
[06:27] <spiv> lifeless: sort of.  See shlex
[06:27] <lifeless> I was afraid of that
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77918 in launchpad "Registering with cookies blocked eventually fails silently" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77918
[08:31] <BjornT> good morning
[08:53] <mpt> hi BjornT 
[08:54] <mpt> BjornT, did you see my message about the pagetest failures in my 1.0 branch?
[08:55] <BjornT> hi mpt. no, i didn't see that message. i haven't gone through my irc and e-mail backlog yet.
[08:55] <mpt> ok
[08:56] <mpt> Short version: In mpt/launchpad/2006-08-ui, I don't know how to get search doesn't work in my custom /distros/whatever/+bugs page, which makes many tests fail
[08:56] <mpt> "get search doesn't work" -> "get search working"
[08:57] <BjornT> ok. i'll try to take a look at it today.
[08:57] <mpt> thank you
[09:05] <carlos> morning
[09:26] <matthewrevell> Morning chaps. I've had a request from one of the Zope guys. He's noticed that there's  Zope 3 project in Launchpad, and a Zope Object Publishing Environment product. Instead, shouldn't Zope 3 be a product of the Zope Object Publishing Environment project?
[09:33] <mpt> matthewrevell, it seems like Zope 3 should be a product series of a Zope product
[09:33] <mpt> but iirc this was discussed earlier for the Zope import
[09:33] <mpt> and a different approach was chosen
[09:33] <matthewrevell> mpt: Right. I'll read back through the ML archive.
[09:33] <mpt> Quite possibly the existence of a zope3 project was overlooked
[09:33] <mpt> in which case it's a completely independent entity
[09:40] <tortho> Anyone who knows if theres aomething "wrong" with launchpad today? I get lots of errors, timeouts and errors that the text is "unexpected form data" (This is under translating for Dapper)
[09:44] <carlos> tortho: do you have the OPPs ID?
[09:44] <carlos> s/OPPs/OOPs/
[09:44] <thumper> mpt: SteveA was quite adamant that zope3 not be a product series of zope as it was a rewrite
[09:44] <thumper> zope3 should be a product, and so should zope2/zope
[09:45] <matthewrevell> thumper: Okay.
[09:45] <thumper> perhaps a zope project that encompasses zope2 and zope3 products
[09:45] <tortho> OOPS-369A339 is for trying to open a page for translating. For the unexpected form data there is no ops... what i did was write Om Kubuntu in a field and pressed save.
[09:45] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/369A339
[09:46] <matthewrevell> thumper: Christian on the zope3-dev list asks if we can "rename the project to be called "Zope" and the product to be called "Zope 3""
[09:47] <thumper> matthewrevell: sounds fair to me
[09:47] <carlos> tortho: hmm let me see...
[09:47] <matthewrevell> thumper: So, that would fit with SteveA's request to keep zope3 as a separate product from zope2.
[09:47] <thumper> true
[09:48] <carlos> tortho: that page is a timeout
[09:48] <matthewrevell> thumper: Christian also says that "Zope project doesn't have anything todo with "The Z object publishing environment" product"
[09:48] <carlos> tortho: for the unexpected form data, could you give me the URL and tell me the message you tried to change?
[09:49] <matthewrevell> thumper: I'd have thought the Z object publishing env. product would be redundant, if we had a zope project and zope3 product
[09:49] <carlos> just to see whether I can reproduce it
[09:49] <tortho> carlos: i got a lot of those and they shows up quite quick.  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kdebase/+pots/konqueror/nb/+translate?field.alternative_language=nn&start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated
[09:49] <tortho> carlos: string 438
[09:50] <thumper> matthewrevell: it appears that the zope product is zope3, and called the long name of "The Zope Object Publishing Environment"
[09:50] <carlos> tortho: 438 does not appear there
[09:50] <carlos> tortho: I just get 439
[09:50] <thumper> matthewrevell: I can't find the "Z object publishing env"
[09:51] <tortho> carlos: I got 438 here :-)... It is 2 strings showing up, 438 & 439
[09:52] <carlos> tortho: the page that timeout for you has a lot of suggestions so I guess that's the problem. We are working on improving its performance. Once you get a timeout, try to reload the page, the second try should be faster and usually doesn't timeouts
[09:52] <matthewrevell> thumper: Ah, yeah, sorry, it's the long name of the zope product.
[09:52] <carlos> tortho: did you reload the page?
[09:52] <tortho> carlos: it's gone now when i reload...
[09:52] <tortho> carlos: thanks
[09:52] <carlos> tortho: that means that the submit was accepted...
[09:52] <thumper> matthewrevell: so what's the problem?
[09:52] <thumper> do the zope guys want zope2 on lp too?
[09:52] <carlos> tortho: I wonder why did you get the UnexpectedFormData...
[09:53] <carlos> tortho: please, ping me again if you get it again
[09:53] <tortho> carlos: I will, thanks
[09:53] <thumper> matthewrevell: I think that SteveA would be the better person to answer these questions though as he is a zope3 developer too
[09:54] <carlos> tortho: np
[09:54] <matthewrevell> thumper: I'll mail SteveA
[09:54] <thumper> ok
[09:59] <tortho> carlos: the unexpected form data pops up on everything i enter. The latest is this url which had 5 strings untr. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/synaptic/+pots/synaptic/nb/+translate?field.alternative_language=nn&field.alternative_language=nn&start=0&start=0&batch=10&batch=10&show=untranslated&show=untranslated
[10:00] <tortho> carlos: it accepts the translations, but that page is the "confirmation" :-)
[10:00] <carlos> tortho: did you typed something by hand in that URL?
[10:00] <tortho> carlos: no
[10:00] <carlos> ok
[10:00] <carlos> so that's a bug
[10:00] <carlos> the problem is with the arguments in the URL
[10:01] <carlos> there are a lot of duplicates
[10:01] <carlos> thanks for catching it
[10:01] <tortho> carlos: I did "open in new tab" in firefox from the main page with all the packages for dapper in
[10:01] <carlos> tortho: that's not a problem
[10:01] <carlos> could you give me the URL that you submitted?
[10:01] <tortho> carlos: i know, but that was how i got the url
[10:02] <tortho> carlos: which url?
[10:03] <carlos> the one you were translating just before clicking over 'Save & Continue' and get that UnexpectedFormData error
[10:03] <tortho> carlos: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/synaptic/+pots/synaptic/nb/+translate?field.alternative_language=nn&field.alternative_language=nn&start=0&start=0&batch=10&batch=10&show=untranslated&show=untranslated
[10:04] <tortho> carlos: wait.... thats after clicking...
[10:04] <carlos> yeah, I was checking it and is the same ;-)
[10:05] <tortho> carlos: I had closed the tab, but here is a "reconstruction": https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/synaptic/+pots/synaptic/nb/+translate?field.alternative_language=nn&start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated
[10:06] <carlos> so the duplicates came with the submission
[10:06] <carlos> ok
[10:06] <carlos> thanks
[10:06] <carlos> I will take a look to fix that as soon as possible
[10:06] <tortho> carlos: looks like it, i can try it on another package if you like?
[10:06] <carlos> no, don't worry
[10:06] <carlos> is the same code
[10:07] <carlos> and I think I know where the problem is
[10:07] <tortho> carlos: Ok, thanks I'll translate some later then :-)
[10:07] <carlos> tortho: if you want to stop getting that error, you can stop using the alternative language feature
[10:07] <carlos> tortho: that should let you work as usual
[10:07] <tortho> ok
[10:07] <carlos> tortho: well, I don't think our production server will get the fix today
[10:07] <carlos> I hope it's on production tomorrow
[10:08] <tortho> okay :-)
[10:08] <carlos> we need to do some QA on those changes so that takes more time to deploy
[10:14] <tortho> What is the status for translating in Rosetta now.. Is the projects that doesn't use Rosetta closed or are they still accepting translations?
[11:18] <cprov> good morning !
[11:21] <matthewrevell> cprov: Hey
[12:11] <Bhaskar> jinty: sir i have problem while translating
[12:12] <jinty> Bhaskar: which is?
[12:12] <Bhaskar> jinty: i use ubuntu 6.06 plateform for schooltool
[12:13] <Bhaskar> jinty: there is a confusion in launchpad, many template, which use for what is problem
[12:14] <Bhaskar> jinty: i used schooltool template 2006, translate and compile, but can nt get success to translate in nepali language
[12:15] <Bhaskar> jinty: i read your mail, did accordance with this but not success fully
[12:15] <jinty> Bhaskar: what do you mean by "not success" its too vague for me to try help
[12:15] <Bhaskar> jinty: i also talked with tom
[12:16] <Bhaskar> jinty : only some string are translated in schooltool
[12:16] <jinty> By looking at https://launchpad.net/schooltool/main/+pots/schooltool
[12:17] <jinty> i see you have only translated some strings
[12:17] <Bhaskar> jinty: you see in schooltool2006 template i finished 100%
[12:18] <jinty> I see
[12:18] <jinty> There are a number of reasons why this could be true:
[12:19] <Bhaskar> jinty: in schooltool in SchoolTool 2006
[12:19] <Bhaskar> jinty: what is the reason??
[12:19] <jinty> 1. Some strings are not flagged as translatable, this would be a bug in the application
[12:20] <jinty> 2. more likely the template in lauchpad is out of sync with the schooltool in subversion
[12:20] <Bhaskar> jinty : which template be used, coz there are 3 different for ubuntu dapper
[12:20] <jinty> 3. Some strings come from lower levels of software (e.g. Zope3) and havn't been translated there.
[12:21] <jinty> Bhaskar: URLs please?
[12:22] <Bhaskar> jinty:https://launchpad.net/schooltool/2006/+pots/schooltool
[12:24] <jinty> Bhaskar: Because schooltool 2006 was never released properly (and never will be), and that the schooltool trunk is always changing, my reason 2 will always be a problem.
[12:24] <Bhaskar> jinty:please consult with Tom, i had explain all my problem, in this time i should go home , tomorrow i will discuss in detail please keep in touch
[12:45] <aa_> hi, before the meeting starts, is there any estimated date of arrival of the feature of being able to mail branch changes to a mailing list or any mail address?
[12:46] <thumper> aa_: it is being worked on now by me
[12:46] <aa_> thumper: wow, sounds most excellent, I guess that means "weeks" or "months" ?
[12:46] <thumper> aa_: eta, not too sure, but "real soon now"
[12:47] <thumper> I'm hoping for weeks rather than months
[12:47] <aa_> ok, cool, thanks
[12:54] <static> good $usertime
[12:57] <matthewrevell> static: howdy
[12:59] <kiko> me
[01:00] <kiko> SteveA?
[01:00] <SteveA> you *are* eager today!
[01:00] <SteveA> Welcome to the first Launchpad Development meeting of 2007
[01:00] <SteveA> who is here today?
[01:00] <mpt> me
[01:00] <stub> me
[01:01] <spiv> me
[01:01] <BjornT> me
[01:01] <thumper> me
[01:01] <matthewrevell> me
[01:01] <cprov> me
[01:01] <static> me
[01:01] <danilos> me
[01:01] <SteveA> matsubara sends apologies -- on vacation
[01:01] <heno> me
[01:02] <SteveA> welcome back heno
[01:02] <heno> thanks
[01:02] <SteveA> do you have any specific items from the ubuntu crowd for this meeting?
[01:02] <carlos> me
[01:03] <SteveA> jamesh?
[01:03] <heno> perhaps just have a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamLPWishList
[01:03] <thumper> SteveA: jamesh is on leave until the 8th
[01:03] <heno> I'll bug people to add more items
[01:03] <kiko> me
[01:03] <SteveA> thumper: thanks
[01:03] <SteveA> thumper: I didn't see it in StaffCalendar
[01:04] <thumper> it was on the warthogs list I think
[01:04] <cprov> sorry, network hiccup on my side
[01:04] <SteveA> heno: great.  matthewrevell: would you check out that list for FiF tasks?
[01:04] <thumper> perhaps he forgot
[01:04] <kiko> up to date!
[01:04] <heno> It would also be great if we could have some sample LP XML output to use in developing 'bughelper'
[01:04] <danilos> kiko: :)
[01:04] <matthewrevell> SteveA: on the case :)
[01:04] <cprov> up to date
[01:05] <SteveA> kiko: you're premature
[01:05] <SteveA> save that emission for later
[01:05] <danilos> kiko is a script
[01:05] <kiko> and SteveA is overdue
[01:05] <carlos> ;-)
[01:05] <SteveA> heno: can this wait until jamesh is back?
[01:05] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:05] <heno> SteveA: sure
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Bug report report (mpt)
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:05] <SteveA> ----
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Feedback on "Creating your Launchpad account" quick-start guide - https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingYourLaunchpadAccount
[01:05] <SteveA>  * Overview of Fix-it Friday process, check everyone's happy with it
[01:05] <SteveA> ----
[01:06] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[01:06] <SteveA> 
[01:06] <SteveA> next meeting, same time next week?
[01:06] <mpt> matsubara isn't here
[01:06] <SteveA> good.
[01:06] <SteveA> * Activity reports
[01:06] <SteveA> I suck again.
[01:06] <thumper> up to date
[01:06] <carlos> up to date
[01:06] <mpt> not up to date
[01:06] <stub> up to date
[01:06] <SteveA> Kiko is premature -- writes the activity reports even before doing the day's work ;-)
[01:06] <danilos> I don't suck
[01:06] <BjornT> up to date
[01:06] <static> up2date
[01:06] <spiv> I'm up to date since returning from the holiday.
[01:06] <matthewrevell> I noticed that I've missed the last one from last year, other than that I'm up to date.
[01:06] <matthewrevell> will send after this meeting
[01:07] <mpt> and last meeting I said I was up to date when I actually wasn't (I'd forgotten about the last couple of days for some reason)
[01:07] <SteveA> mpt: thanks for setting the record straight
[01:07] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:08] <SteveA>  the __eq__ thing for database objects is dealt with.  we know what we want to do, but it's a lower priority than some other things to polish up the code.
[01:08] <SteveA> spiv will do it once he has some essential bzr stuff done
[01:08] <SteveA> I still owe thumper some dbschema refactoring plans.  I have them in draft form, and I'll send them this afternoon.
[01:09] <SteveA> I think that was it.
[01:09] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:09] <SteveA> matsubara isn't here
[01:09] <SteveA> mpt or kiko: do you have an oops report?
[01:09] <kiko> not me. and I haven't seen the reports folder yet
[01:09] <mpt> I don't know how to produce one, sorry
[01:09] <SteveA> ok
[01:09] <kiko> I'll email something to the list today.
[01:10] <kiko> mpt, it's easy. just read.
[01:10] <kiko> anyway
[01:10] <carlos> btw, is there a way to see OOps reports from beta?
[01:10] <SteveA> kiko: thanks.  please talk with matsubara about passing on his reporting responsibilities to someone else when he's on vacation / conferences etc.
[01:10] <kiko> SteveA, you said you were going to talk to him about that.
[01:10] <kiko> last year.
[01:10] <SteveA> whenever any of us go on vacation, we should pass on this kind of recurring responsibility to someone else?
[01:11] <SteveA> kiko: did I?  in that case, may I pass that on to you?
[01:11] <SteveA> seeing as you're colocated
[01:11] <kiko> but anyway, sure, I can talk to him.
[01:11] <SteveA> thanks, and sorry I didn't do that
[01:11] <SteveA> carlos: they should be coming into the same system of OOPS report management.
[01:11] <SteveA> stub: comment?
[01:11] <stub> beta logs are not yet being mirrored to devpad, so the OOPS web interface will not find them yet. It is rt'd
[01:11] <SteveA> are we waiting for an RT thing?
[01:12] <SteveA> stub: please bring up in the sysadmin section of this imeeting, with the RT number
[01:12] <SteveA> so, oops report to come later from kiko.  thanks once more kiko
[01:12] <SteveA>  * Bug report report (mpt)
[01:12] <mpt> There are 18 known Critical bugs in Launchpad without released fixes. The oldest ten are:
[01:12] <mpt>  * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko
[01:12] <mpt>  * Bug #68295 (private), Critical, In Progress, kiko
[01:12] <mpt> kiko, tell us the good news or otherwise
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private
[01:12] <mpt>  * Bug #44214 (We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path), Critical, Fix Committed, carlos
[01:12] <mpt>  * Bug #71283 (Allow non-authenticated rendering of +translate pages), Critical, In Progress, carlos
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44214 in rosetta "We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44214 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71283 in rosetta "Allow non-authenticated rendering of +translate pages" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71283 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:12] <mpt> carlos, was 44214 rolled out yesterday? If so, please update it
[01:13] <mpt>  * Bug #46589 (Poll crashes if you select default poll option), Critical, Fix Committed, static
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46589 in launchpad "Poll crashes if you select default poll option" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46589 - Assigned to Elliot Murphy (emurphy)
[01:13] <mpt> static, was that fix rolled out yesterday?
[01:13] <carlos> mpt: already updated before the meeting
[01:13] <mpt> carlos, ah, you're too quick for me
[01:13] <mpt> thanks
[01:13] <static> mpt: I don't know how to tell, I didn't do anything to make it rolled out
[01:13] <carlos> mpt: or too slow ;-)
[01:13] <carlos> mpt: I did it after you prepared the report
[01:14] <mpt> indeed
[01:14] <mhb> hi all
[01:14] <SteveA> to see if it is rolled out, you will know from PQM what rev no your fix is in RF/launchpad/devel as
[01:14] <SteveA> PQM tells you that in the response to your merge
[01:14] <mpt> kiko? :-)
[01:14] <SteveA> then you see whether that was rolled out by looking at LaunchpadProductionStatus on the wiki
[01:14] <kiko> mpt, soon. RSN. :)
[01:15] <mpt> okay.
[01:15] <static> for a critical bug would I normally request a rollout?
[01:15] <mpt> static, for a critical bug you *might* request a cherrypick.
[01:15] <static> mpt: understood, thanks
[01:15] <mpt> This is described on a page I will find for you afterwards
[01:16] <mpt> meanwhile
[01:16] <mpt>  * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, Confirmed, danilos
[01:16] <mpt>  * Bug #73509 (.po file export doesn't update cached files), Critical, In Progress, danilos
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73509 in rosetta ".po file export doesn't update cached files" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73509 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:16] <mpt> danilos, any progress since last year? ;-)
[01:16] <mpt>  * Bug #65800 (staging., demo., and edge. should obviously be demos), Critical, Fix Committed, mpt
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65800 in launchpad "staging., demo., and edge. should obviously be demos" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65800 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[01:16] <mpt> This is now working on staging. It will work on beta, demo, and edge when they're next updated with code less than a week old.
[01:16] <danilos> bug 73509: fix available, but seems our test data was wrong in some cases; investigating now, and then putting up for review
[01:16] <danilos> bug 46982: no progress as of yet
[01:16] <stub> mpt: That means now
[01:16] <mpt> I don't know why edge isn't running current-ish code.
[01:17] <carlos> mpt: 46982: is still blocked on Firefox branch being reviewed
[01:17] <SteveA> I saw the PQM merge message about merging devel into edge just now
[01:17] <carlos> danilos: isn't it?
[01:17] <danilos> carlos: right
[01:17] <mpt> stub, really? edge reports r4193, which is quite old
[01:17] <mpt> carlos, which is kiko, right? :-)
[01:17] <stub> mpt: It is a different branch, so the revision numbers don't match
[01:17] <SteveA> mpt: that's the revision on the edge branch
[01:18] <mpt> ah, ok
[01:18] <SteveA> we should include the branch nick there too, I guess
[01:18] <carlos> mpt: no, jamesh
[01:18] <mpt> So, I need to investigate why the fix isn't working on edge.
[01:18] <mpt>  * Bug #73761 (Missing support for any-i386 and linux-i386), Critical, Fix Committed, Malcolm Cleaton
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73761 in soyuz "Missing support for any-i386 and linux-i386" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73761 - Assigned to Malcolm Cleaton (malcolmcleaton)
[01:18] <mpt> cprov, was this rolled out yesterday?
[01:18] <stub> It isn't? edge is talking to the live db so it isn't a demo system
[01:18] <mpt> a-ha
[01:18] <mpt> of course.
[01:18] <mpt> thank you stub
[01:18] <SteveA> mpt: maybe have an explicit indication of "this is a live system" ?
[01:18] <SteveA> I have had mail queries where someone is still confused about this
[01:19] <cprov> mpt: it should be running on drescher, AFAIK
[01:19] <mpt> SteveA, I don't know what that would look like, but I'll think about it
[01:19] <SteveA> mpt: I think it's worth having "this is a live system" no non-main-site sites that are live
[01:19] <SteveA> thanks
[01:19] <mpt> and finally
[01:19] <mpt>  * Bug #74839 (private), Critical, Confirmed, mpt
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Bug 74839 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/74839 is private
[01:19] <mpt> This is my #2 priority now, #1 being the 1.0 branch passing all tests.
[01:19] <cprov> mpt: I will check, anyway
[01:19] <mpt> cprov, thanks
[01:19] <SteveA> ok
[01:19] <mpt> And that's all, SteveA 
[01:19] <SteveA> thanks for the bugs report
[01:19] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[01:20] <SteveA> we have "Bug is considered a good candidate to be fixed as part of Fix-it Friday" proposed
[01:20] <SteveA> as the tag fix-it-friday
[01:20] <SteveA> I'm +1 on that
[01:21] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:21] <stub> In order to get Production, Edge and Beta in sync (and to get out pending fixes) I did a production rollout a few days ago. It was uneventful which is always nice.
[01:21] <stub> mpt brought the beta code branch up to sync with HEAD and I rolled it out earlier today. It is live.
[01:21] <stub> Edge is now also live and updating daily. The daily syncs from HEAD to the Edge branch happen automatically provided nobody lands database change code, so don't do that without clearing it with me, Steve (or Kiko?). This means touching anything in database/schema at the moment but can be made more intelligent by hacking the top level Makefile if we need.
[01:21] <stub> Staging is running except that only the primary domain is functioning. I've submitted an RT job to sort out whatever has gone wrong with the Apache redirects. As per current HEAD, staging is now nicely branded as a demo.
[01:22] <stub> (over)
[01:22] <stub> oh - and bugmail is running as per mailing list discussions
[01:22] <SteveA> ok, thanks stub
[01:22] <SteveA> so, no specific plans for a next rollout
[01:23] <SteveA> we can use edge to try stuff in production, once it's passed code review etc.
[01:23] <stub> Yup.
[01:23] <kiko> good job, stub.
[01:23] <SteveA> if you have database stuff in progress, do talk with stuart so he can plan doing a bunch of database code at once
[01:23] <carlos> SteveA: edge is open to anyone
[01:23] <SteveA> stub: at what time of day will edge update?
[01:23] <carlos> is that expected ?
[01:23] <SteveA> stub: this is important for FiF
[01:24] <SteveA> carlos: yes
[01:24] <carlos> ok
[01:24] <stub> Please don't use edge as a way of avoiding local testing or unit tests - it is talking to the production database
[01:24] <stub> edge is updating at 23:30 London time
[01:24] <SteveA> mpt: I think "edge" should have an "edge edge edge" background
[01:24] <SteveA> maybe a little more subtle than the demo one
[01:24] <SteveA> stub: can we make it more frequent than daily -- maybe 2x per day?
[01:24] <SteveA> this will be good for FiF
[01:24] <matthewrevell> stub: Cool, so we can tell people to look for FiF fixes in edge on Saturdays.
[01:25] <stub> SteveA: I'd rather run with daily for a week or so to iron out bugs
[01:25] <SteveA> that also allows folks in western timezones to do FiF work and not need to wait until sunday
[01:25] <stub> SteveA: After that, sure.
[01:26] <SteveA> ok, so let's go for more frequently from next thursday
[01:26] <SteveA> thanks stub
[01:26] <stub> I personally don't think using edge for testing fif fixes is good though
[01:26] <stub> as it indicates the patches have been rushed through
[01:27] <stub> I'd rather make staging updated more regularly and checking out fif stuff done there
[01:27] <mpt> The more people use edge, the less will be the benefit of having a testing period between fixes and rollouts
[01:27] <SteveA> next up is the 1.0 status reports.  Please edit your report to include only relatively new stuff -- like we don't need to see that edgy was opened for translation
[01:27] <spiv> FiF changes aren't necessarily going to land on the same Friday... they still have to go through code review.
[01:27] <SteveA> the idea is to do code review that day, synchronously
[01:27] <spiv> Ah, ok.
[01:28] <SteveA> it may be a reviewer will review FiF work, but not do much original coding
[01:28] <stub> So code reviewers only get fix it friday morning :)
[01:28] <SteveA> yes, although we have the usual joy of timezones
[01:28] <SteveA> ok, all done?
[01:28] <SteveA>  * 1.0 status reports (recent stuff only please)
[01:28] <stub> I don't see the rush - fix it friday stuff isn't urgent fixes or anything. More long term things bugging people over time.
[01:28] <BjornT> Malone 1.0:
[01:28] <BjornT> upstream-forwarding-workflow: In production.
[01:28] <BjornT> series-and-distrorelease-mgmt: In production.
[01:28] <BjornT> guided-filebug-form: In production.
[01:28] <BjornT> removing-duplicate-comments: No news, still implemented.
[01:29] <BjornT> malone-essential-docs: No progress since last time, it's started though.
[01:29] <BjornT> simple-bug-keywords: No news, still implemented.
[01:29] <danilos> Rosetta 1.0  weekly report:
[01:29] <danilos> - firefox import/export: no progress this week, still on (pre)review
[01:29] <danilos> - oo import/export: no progress this week
[01:29] <danilos> - translation review: fully implemented, waiting for review
[01:29] <danilos> - essential docs: no progress this week
[01:29] <danilos> - search via translation browsing: review from kiko answered, waiting for approval to merge
[01:29] <danilos> - checks not to upload wrong language PO file using "too many changes" check: not started
[01:29] <danilos> - translation page for projects: bug 73875 (not started)
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Bug 73875 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 is private
[01:29] <danilos> - ui fixes: DONE
[01:30] <cprov> = Soyuz-1.0 Report =                                                            
[01:30] <cprov> 
[01:30] <cprov>  * Archive Rework: pending review (cprov, r=kiko)                               
[01:30] <cprov>  * PPA: ppa-build-support & ppa-poppy & ppa-publish & ppa-upload-support        
[01:30] <cprov>    (cprov, w-i-p)                                                               
[01:30] <cprov>  * Code quality:                                                                
[01:30] <cprov>    * NascentUpload first refactoring (kiko, under development)                  
[01:30] <cprov>  * Bug Fix:                                                                     
[01:30] <cprov>    * #76591 (improve package relationship system): pending review               
[01:30] <cprov>      (cprov, r=?)                                                               
[01:30] <cprov>    * #74342 (Add $distrorelease/+last-uploads for 1.0 UI):                      
[01:30] <cprov>      pending review (cprov, r=?)                                                
[01:30] <cprov>    * #74965 (failure on +queue page permission check for empty queues)          
[01:30] <kiko> whitespace spam galore!
[01:30] <cprov>      pending review (cprov, r=jamesh)
[01:32] <SteveA> BjornT: malone-essential-docs -- get matthew revell to help out on that
[01:32] <SteveA> danilos: essential docs -- same story.  we have quick-start guides coming through, so help is at hand
[01:32] <BjornT> SteveA: sure, will do that.
[01:33] <SteveA> btw, FiF can be used for writing a doc, if you like-- provided that doc is finished and available that same day
[01:33] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Want to talk after this meeting?
[01:33] <danilos> SteveA: great to hear that, matthewrevell: I've once started https://help.launchpad.net/RosettaHighlights but there's a lot more to do
[01:33] <SteveA> moving along...
[01:33] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:33] <SteveA> stub: ?
[01:33] <stub> rt #26366 (Staging apache fixes)
[01:33] <stub> rt #26321 (Mirror beta logs to devpad)
[01:34] <stub> that is beta and edge logs actually
[01:34] <SteveA> dank je well
[01:34] <BjornT> matthewrevell: i need to get something to eat after the meeting, but it'd be good to talk about an hour after the meeting.
[01:34] <SteveA>  * Feedback on "Creating your Launchpad account" quick-start guide - https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingYourLaunchpadAccount
[01:34] <matthewrevell> BjornT: sounds good
[01:34] <SteveA> so, matthewrevell wrote this quick start guide
[01:34] <thumper> looks good to me
[01:35] <SteveA> I'd like everyone to spend a little time today or tomorrow reading it, if you haven't done so already
[01:35] <SteveA> so that you know what format a QSG has
[01:35] <SteveA> and to give matthewrevell feedback on nit
[01:35] <matthewrevell> If you have any comments, either on the content or format, they're very much welcome.
[01:35] <SteveA>  * Overview of Fix-it Friday process, check everyone's happy with it
[01:35] <SteveA> matthewrevell has also proposed a FiF process
[01:35] <SteveA> matthewrevell: where is that?
[01:36] <SteveA> please also read this, and comment to matthew on it
[01:36] <kiko> O
[01:36] <SteveA> we'll try it out this week
[01:36] <kiko> I'm going to comment on it today matthewrevell 
[01:36] <matthewrevell> https://launchpad.canonical.com/Fix-it_Friday
[01:36] <kiko> what an odd URL
[01:36] <SteveA> I'm sure we'll need to tweak it as we go along
[01:36] <matthewrevell> kiko: thanks
[01:36] <matthewrevell> kiko: URL done for readability. 
[01:36] <SteveA> FiF is probably a wiki name
[01:36] <SteveA> that URL is hard to type and hard to remember
[01:36] <SteveA> more important than readability
[01:36] <matthewrevell> ok
[01:37] <matthewrevell> I'll change it
[01:37] <SteveA> thanks
[01:37] <danilos> FixItFriday makes enough sense as well, imo
[01:37] <SteveA> thanks for getting these things going matthewrevell: simple docs and FiF
[01:37] <thumper> danilos: +1
[01:38] <SteveA>  * Three sentences
[01:38] <mpt> DONE: bug fixes, 1.0 tinkering
[01:38] <mpt> TODO: pagetest fixes, finish 1.0
[01:38] <mpt> BLOCKED: distro Bugs searching (Bjorn will maybe do this today)
[01:38] <thumper> DONE: nice break, spec about branch subscriptions and diff emails, fix-it-friday finished on Thursday
[01:38] <thumper> TODO: branch subscriptions, branch email notifications, branch team membership, web branch GUI
[01:38] <thumper> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <stub> DONE: Break, beta/production/edge stuff, Librarian updates
[01:38] <stub> TODO: Interviews, test suite fix. Maybe holiday.
[01:38] <stub> BLOCKED: No
[01:38] <kiko> DONE: vacation, email and interviews.
[01:38] <static> DONE: recruitment, fixed and got first bug through pqm!, market research, doc writing, submitted bundle to bzr-pqm.
[01:38] <static> TODO: spec writing, documentation writing, interviews, fix more bugs
[01:38] <static> BLOCKED: nope
[01:38] <spiv> DONE: holiday, got engaged to Mary, caught up with email, improvements to bzr's bzr+http:// client
[01:38] <spiv> TODO: bzr smart server hacking
[01:38] <cprov> DONE: PPA-publish work, soyuz firefighting (#77685 & #77853)
[01:38] <cprov> TODO: dogfooding PPA
[01:38] <cprov> BLOCKED: archive-rework review
[01:38] <spiv> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <SteveA> DONE: recruitment, interviews, management
[01:38] <SteveA> TODO: recruitment, interviews, management, code review of danilo's w-i-p, dbschema doc
[01:38] <BjornT> DONE: vacation
[01:38] <kiko> TODO: interviews, land branches, code reviews.
[01:38] <BjornT> TODO: e-mail backlog. add tests for send-bug-notification.py failure.  code reviews. other.
[01:38] <danilos> DONE: bug 73509 fix, put it up for review
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73509 in rosetta ".po file export doesn't update cached files" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73509 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:38] <kiko> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <danilos> TODO: have fix for bug 73509 reviewed, landed, have ff reviewed and landed
[01:38] <danilos> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <matthewrevell> DONE: start of new documentation, community outreach, FiF planning, liaising witrh Zope 3 community
[01:38] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[01:38] <kiko> and yes I suck
[01:39] <carlos> DONE: TranslationReview test fixes, TranslationBrowsing review answer, user support and bug triage
[01:39] <thumper> spiv: congrats
[01:39] <mpt> spiv, getting engaged during work hours? For shame! ;-) And congratulations!
[01:39] <spiv> mpt: haha
[01:39] <carlos> TODO: poimport threshold check implementation
[01:39] <matthewrevell> TODO: more docs, more FiF, plans for Zope 3 import with jamesh, 1.0 marketing content, , Bazaar t-shirt, about.launchpad.net
[01:39] <carlos> BLOCKED: review for TranslationReview
[01:39] <matthewrevell> BLOCKED: none
[01:40] <matthewrevell> spiv: Congrats :)
[01:40] <SteveA> nice one, spiv.
[01:41] <carlos> spiv: congratulations!
[01:41] <SteveA> I hope you wrote a spec for that before hand ;-)
[01:41] <carlos> did Mark approved it?
[01:41] <kiko> congratulations for getting engaged?! that's like saying congratulations when you break your leg.
[01:41] <carlos> will Canonical make money from the product of it?
[01:41] <carlos> :-P
[01:41] <SteveA> carlos: I think spiv is the approver in this case.
[01:42] <mpt> [rs=launchpadders] 
[01:42] <spiv> SteveA: that's correct.  She asked me, after all...
[01:42] <SteveA> see what trouble a hair-cut gets you into...
[01:42] <spiv> Thanks everyone :)
[01:42] <danilos> spiv: poor girl--congrats, anyway :)
[01:42] <SteveA> okay, I think that's all folks.
[01:43] <thumper> yay, sleep
[01:43] <SteveA> heno: any final comments from you in the last 2 mins of the meeting?
[01:43] <heno> SteveA: none
[01:43] <carlos> SteveA: I have a comment. What's going on with the review queue?
[01:43] <carlos> s/comment/question/
[01:43] <SteveA> ok.  thanks for maintining the list you gave earlier.
[01:43] <SteveA> carlos: what's goingn on with it?
[01:44] <carlos> there are 7 entries without a reviewer
[01:44] <cprov> carlos: lack of reviewers, I guess
[01:44] <carlos> I thought we were supposed to get a reviewer in one or two days
[01:44] <carlos> cprov: hmm, could be
[01:45] <SteveA> carlos: mail lifeless for that to be on the review meeting agenda
[01:45] <SteveA> that's when this can be addressed
[01:45] <carlos> ok
[01:45] <SteveA> ok, thanks everyone.  I enjoyed this meeting.
[01:45] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[01:45] <static> carlos: I jumped the queue and grabbed a reviewer directly after waiting a day or two
[01:45] <carlos> thanks 
[01:45] <thumper> night all#
[01:46] <stub> night all too
[01:46] <stub> spiv: Congrats and good luck :)
[01:46] <carlos> static: Well, that means that there is something wrong
[01:46] <carlos> static: we are supposed to do that only with urgent reviews ;-)
[01:46] <cprov> kiko: do you have some minutes for a phone call ? (subject: PPA)
[01:46] <spiv> stub: thanks :)
[01:46] <LarstiQ> spiv: congratulations :)
[01:47] <spiv> LarstiQ: thanks!
[01:47] <aa_> spiv: don't do it! it's not too late!
[01:47] <aa_> (just kidding) congrats
[01:47] <static> carlos: I see. well, then I've given you more evidence that the queue is too long :-)
[01:47] <kiko> cprov, yeah, I saw you called yesterday
[01:47] <static> spiv: congratulations
[01:47] <kiko> cprov, give me a moment to finish email
[01:48] <SteveA> stub: quick skype call?
[01:48] <SteveA> mpt: quick skype call?
[01:48] <cprov> kiko: sure
[01:48] <stub> Wah
[01:48] <stub> ok
[01:48] <SteveA> stub: "no" is okay too
[01:48] <stub> ok for quick :)
[01:48] <spiv> aa_, static: thanks :)
[01:49] <LarstiQ> cprov: we had a discussion about bug 55795 a while ago, I think there is now enough information to go forward
[01:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55795 in soyuz "+changelog includes misleading information related to package versions and authors" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55795
[01:50] <kiko> SteveA, so, I hear segways are banned in .nl now?
[01:50] <danilos> any reviewer willing to review a short fix for a critical bug?
[01:51] <carlos> kiko: how's going that optimisation of the translation form?
[01:51] <cprov> LarstiQ: I saw your last comment. We do have enough information, but not a reasonable solution, though.
[01:52] <kiko> carlos, not going very anywhere but I will have time for it today hopefully
[01:52] <carlos> kiko: I'm getting emails from people complaining about not being able to translate
[01:52] <LarstiQ> kiko: oh?
[01:52] <carlos> kiko: ok
[02:04] <SteveA> kiko: how interesting.  I wonder why
[02:05] <kiko> SteveA?
[02:06] <SteveA> segway in .nl
[02:06] <kiko> it has to do with the local DMV saying it's a vehicle but it doesn't have license plates
[02:08] <SteveA> I can see a solution here...
[02:13] <LarstiQ> funny that kiko nows about it before I do
[02:14] <LarstiQ> "Dit voertuig kan 20 kilometer per uur rijden en is volgens de wet een bromfiets. Het heeft nooit typegoedkeuring gekregen van de Rijksdienst voor het Wegverkeer (RDW) en is dus altijd al verboden geweest op de openbare weg. Er werd alleen nooit tegen opgetreden."
[02:14] <LarstiQ> kiko: I'm not sure what the DMV does, but in our case, it's a bromfiets by law
[02:14] <LarstiQ> kiko: it's just that the police never enforced anything
[02:15] <kiko> LarstiQ, but bicycles don't need to be license plated surely
[02:15] <kiko> DMV is the department of motor vehicles
[02:15] <kiko> I'm not sure what you call that
[02:16] <LarstiQ> I guess that's similar then
[02:16] <LarstiQ> kiko: No, but this is a motorized vehicle achieving speeds of 20 k/h. It never got a type approval though.
[02:17] <kiko> a pro like boogerd on a bicycle can do more damage than a little segway.
[02:17] <LarstiQ> Hey, I'm glad we can exceed speeding limits on bike ;)
[02:25] <LarstiQ> matthewrevell: silly nitpick, but the CreatingYourLaunchpadAccount QSG links to www.launchpad.net instead of launchpad.net
[03:00] <matthewrevell> LarstiQ: Sorry, been at lunch. Do we favour launchpad.net then?
[03:00] <LarstiQ> matthewrevell: it redirects to that :)
[03:01] <matthewrevell> LarstiQ: If it redirects to that, then I can't see any reason why the guide shouldn't link straight to it. Thanks.
[03:24] <kiko> matthewrevell, in the malone highlights, do we talk about our unique email batching system? if not, please make a note to do so (and ask me about it)
[03:25] <kiko> hey Hobbsee how was the new year
[03:25] <matthewrevell> kiko: I don't think it talks about email batching. When would be a good time to speak to you about it?
[03:25] <matthewrevell> hey Hobbsee
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kiko: was good :)
[03:33] <kiko> good to hear
[03:33] <kiko> afk for a bit
[04:09] <static> I've fixed a bug, I've reported a bug, but not a single karma point.
[04:09] <static> or perhaps I should just be more patient
[04:09] <LarstiQ> static: today?
[04:10] <LarstiQ> yeah, patience helps with karma
[04:10] <static> LarstiQ: yes, today. I have total confidence it will show up tomorrow
[04:11] <LarstiQ> sometimes it takes a bit longer than that, but it will show up eventually
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77963 in launchpad "+branches does not display demodemodemo background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77963
[04:47] <matthewrevell> Who else works on people and teams stuff, while Salgado's on holiday?
[04:47] <kiko-fud> anybody really
[04:47] <kiko-fud> are there bugs to prioritize?
[04:47] <kiko-fud> anyway ignore me as I am having lunch :-P
[04:47] <matthewrevell> kiko-fud: :)
[04:48] <matthewrevell> Bug 66105 has been brought to me attention as a possible FiF fix.
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66105 in launchpad "Team admin can't contact prospective member who hides e-mail addresses" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66105
[04:49] <matthewrevell> I want to see if it'd be possible to fix in one day.
[04:49] <matthewrevell> mpt is the initial reporter
[04:49] <matthewrevell> but probably in bed
[04:50] <oojah> Hi
[04:50] <oojah> Is there any reason why the Rosetta import queue is huge?
[05:03] <carlos> BjornT: ping
[05:04] <BjornT> hi carlos 
[05:04] <carlos> hi
[05:04] <carlos> is it normal that in this URL: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[05:04] <carlos> I get as the fifth bug is bug #1 ?
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Raphal Pinson (raphink)
[05:05] <carlos> BjornT: the filtering is a sort by date showing newest first
[05:05] <carlos> Oh, I see... seems like someone added Rosetta task to that bug
[05:05] <carlos> this is weird
[05:06] <matthewrevell> carlos: While you're around, are you able to answer oojah?
[05:06] <carlos> sure, I didn't see his question
[05:06] <carlos> oojah: because it has all translations for Feisty pending to be imported
[05:09] <oojah> Ok, no problem.
[05:10] <oojah> Is there a time scale for that to happen?
[05:13] <carlos> oojah: I need to plan with kiko Feisty opening, but it should happen quite soon
[05:17] <oojah> Thanks
[05:18] <ryanakca> is it possible to have all bug emails go to foobarbugs@domain.com and all the other email go to foobar@domain.com? (Instead of having foobar@domain.com forward it to foobarbugs@domain.com?)
[05:26] <BjornT> ryanakca: no, that's not possible.
[05:26] <ryanakca> BjornT: kk, thanks anywais :)
[06:14] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Could bug 3140 be a FiF?
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3140 in malone "Bug watches can't be removed" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3140 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[06:18] <BjornT> matthewrevell: if we can agree on a ui, then yes :) the remove functionality itself isn't too hard to implement.
[06:18] <matthewrevell> BjornT: What's the process for agreeing on a ui? Does mpt lead that?
[06:19] <kiko> not really. usually a UI is proposed by somebody and others, potentially mpt, comment on it.
[06:25] <matthewrevell> It looks like a fairly good FiF candidate and is on the distro team wish-list that heno is managing. I'm obviously missing something, so can someone let me know why 3140 couldn't be solved by putting a "Delete" button on the "Change bug watch" page?
[06:26] <kiko> it could -- propose it and see if BjornT can handle it tomorrow. I'm not against a delete button being present for unlinked bug watches. if they are linked text should say why they can't be deleted and what needs to be done to make it so.
[06:28] <BjornT> kiko: i kind of proposed that in the bug report, and no one complained, so i'd be happy to do it. i think that the deleted button could be present for linked bug watches as well, it's just a matter of unlinking them before deleting it.
[06:28] <matthewrevell> I think the bit I don't understand is why we can't allow people to delete linked watches
[06:29] <kiko> I'm not sure either. but it's just a measure of safety to me. I don't care too much either way -- just that I think it's simpler to not allow it and I don't think there's a lot of value in it.
[06:29] <kiko> am I wrong? do you see cases where people need to delete /linked/ watches left and right?
[06:36] <somerville32> Is karma processing backlogged or something?
[06:37] <matthewrevell> The bug report talks about being able to delete watches that have been added accidentally. So, would that mean they're not linked? I assume accidentally added watches would be unlinked?
[06:38] <matthewrevell> somerville32: In general or at the moment?
[06:39] <somerville32> matthewrevell, In general
[06:39] <somerville32> I did a ton of stuff on launchpad yesterday but I don't see an increase in karma today.
[06:39] <somerville32> However, sometimes it seems like my karma goes up when I'm not doing anything at all (or very little)
[06:40] <matthewrevell> somerville32: It can take a couple of days to be registered to your account, which could explain why your karma goes up when you're not particularly active, as it may be added from a time when you were active.
[06:41] <matthewrevell> somerville32: Let me know if you feel your karma doesn't balance itself out in a couple of days
[06:41] <somerville32> kk, thanks :] 
[06:41] <matthewrevell> somerville32: no probs :)
[06:42] <matthewrevell> BjornT: So, do you think you might be looking at 3140 tomorrow?
[06:42] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Is there anything I can do to help?
[06:43] <BjornT> matthewrevell: yeah, i should be able to fix it tomorrow.
[06:43] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Cool :)
 The bug report talks about being able to delete watches that have been added accidentally. So, would that mean they're not linked? I assume accidentally added watches would be unlinked?
[06:48] <kiko> matthewrevell, BjornT: yes, I think accidentally added watches, or watches which are bogus, will in general not be linked to a bug.
[06:48] <kiko> bogus watches are easy to pick out
[06:48] <kiko> they cause spam in the watch logs
[06:48] <kiko> and I fix them.
[06:51] <BjornT> but aren't they usually added together with a bug task (and thus linked)? anyway, i'm ok with just allowing unlinked bug watches for now, and see how it works out.
[06:51] <BjornT> allowing unlinked bug watches to be deleted, that is
[06:52] <carlos> kiko: btw, could we schedule Feisty opening?
[06:52] <carlos> for translations
[06:53] <carlos> danilos: ^^^
[06:53] <kiko> BjornT, now that we require URLs it's a lot less prone to be a bogus link, to be honest.
[06:53] <danilos> carlos: I am fine with it, but we'd need input from stub as well
[06:55] <carlos> danilos: it depends first if we have time to do anything needed for it
[06:55] <carlos> danilos: and then, wait for Stuart
[06:55] <danilos> carlos: like babysit for the import queue?
[06:55] <carlos> we need small code changes pending to implement
[06:55] <carlos> danilos: well... that's another thing
[06:56] <kiko> carlos, danilos: I think we should lay out the plan of work that needs doing and start doing it -- but aren't you two busy enough this week?
[06:56] <carlos> kiko: I am, but I'm just pointing that we should try to schedule this
[06:56] <carlos> for next week or at least this month
[07:23] <somerville32> When I changed the maintainership of the pike product to motu-pike, I told it to create a new group.
[07:23] <somerville32> This resulted in my receiving 4 e-mails to tell me that I had become the administrator of motu-pike
[07:23] <somerville32> s/my/me
[07:24] <somerville32> One set (group of two) was like it was sent to all admins of the group and the other set (two) was to tell me personally
[07:37] <muntyan> hey, is there a page for fast entering bug report, summary and description together, without intermediate steps
[07:37] <muntyan> ?
[07:42] <mdke> yes, sadly there is
[07:42] <mdke> I can't remember it though. LarstiQ will know
[07:43] <muntyan> sadly?
[07:43] <mdke> yeah, I think that the guided version should be the only one :)
[07:43] <mdke> muntyan: for the benefit of the developers, can you explain why you prefer that option, as opposed to using the guided version?
[07:43] <mdke> it saves you the time of searching before you file the bug
[07:45] <muntyan> mdke: it doesn't save me anything of course
[07:45] <muntyan> if i want to search for bug, i will try different words, for example
[07:45] <muntyan> and i *will* search before entering the bug
[07:45] <mdke> you mean you'll try more than one search before entering the bug?
[07:46] <muntyan> sure
[07:46] <muntyan> and, i want to report a bug and attach patch. it's a pain to go through those steps
[07:46] <kiko> muntyan, you seem to be conflating two issues there.
[07:46] <mdke> it's only one extra step. But your first point is a valid one, I think
[07:46] <kiko> being able to report a bug and attach a patch in one go is one issue (I'm not very sympathetic to this one)
[07:46] <muntyan> see, my bug report cycle is: i search for a bug, if i don't know it's new (i can know this too); then i enter it
[07:47] <kiko> another issue is searching before filing a bug
[07:47] <kiko> which the guided form allows you to do very conveniently
[07:47] <muntyan> kiko: i didn't say attach patch in one go (it would be nice too). i wanted to point out that i already have enough steps
[07:48] <kiko> but you're saying you already search before filing a bug
[07:48] <kiko> so I can't imagine what the guided filebug would make you slower at
[07:48] <muntyan> kiko: the guided form shows me some list of bugs which i do not trust, naturally
[07:48] <kiko> aha!
[07:48] <mdke> heh, it's LarstiQ in disguise!
[07:48] <kiko> you and I seem to have the same issue
[07:48] <muntyan> my summary is completely different from what i am searching for
[07:48] <kiko> why do you not trust the list? 
[07:49] <mdke> I wonder how many people perform more than one search before filing a bug. It seems pretty assiduous to me, I bet most people don't
[07:49] <kiko> because I didn't trust it at first (and the fact that it doesn't have status information there is irksome)
[07:49] <muntyan> if i look for bug, i try everything; if i enter it, i use the "best" summary, where the best is whatever i feel the best now
[07:49] <kiko> muntyan, have you experimented using different words in the guided bug filing form's summary box?
[07:49] <kiko> the search is pretty smart
[07:50] <muntyan> um, you mean it finds not what i entered?
[07:50] <muntyan> if i say "crash text" i want to find bugs which have both words
[07:50] <muntyan> not all crashes
[07:51] <kiko> so you explicitly mean it to look for crash /and/ text?
[07:51] <muntyan> yes
[07:51] <muntyan> it doesn't work that way?
[07:52] <mdke> surely it looks for that first, then tries alternatives
[07:53] <kiko> yes that's what it does
[07:53] <muntyan> leaving search issue aside for a moment, and getting back to patches: i want to submit bug report and attach patch, and i don't care about search at all (it happens often)
[07:53] <muntyan> in this case i simply hate the intermediate step :)
[07:54] <mdke> well, you still have to search, in case the bug is already open... 
[07:54] <mdke> or did I misunderstand you?
[07:54] <kiko> no, that's the right question
[07:54] <muntyan> mdke: yes. i will not search, i just file bug report and attach patch
[07:54] <kiko> muntyan might say "I am SURE the bug isn't filed"
[07:54] <muntyan> it does happen
[07:54] <mdke> I see
[07:55] <kiko> but I still think that's wrong
[07:55] <kiko> and that you should search anyway :-)
[07:55] <mdke> well, it's not a massive effort needed to add the patch to the bug
[07:55] <muntyan> well, here's my situation for instance: there is a product which uses my soft. i am the only person who knows how to use my soft, and i submit patches to improve what i like. and i am not a developer on that product
[07:56] <muntyan> or, say, i know that something is buggy even if nobody noticed :)
[07:57] <kiko> muntyan, you're not making a very good case for not searching you know.. ;)
[07:57] <muntyan> this is similar to what i'd do if i were a developer on the project, except i can't bypass bug tracker
[07:58] <muntyan> kiko: um, i believe "i do not need it in this and that situation" is a perfect case. you may say you are not going to make it work this way, or something, but it's real
[07:59] <kiko> the thing is: the additional search is not a very major inconvenience. SPECIALLY if I tell you a secret to make launchpad much faster in firefox.
[07:59] <kiko> and I might even tell you that secret.
[07:59] <kiko> ;)
[07:59] <muntyan> okay, imagine i am a developer on the project (i am in pretty similar situation). i won't search my bug tracker, i'll create a bug report
[07:59] <muntyan> kiko: i am not using firefox
[07:59] <mdke> kiko: secret please
[08:01] <kiko> mdke, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl
[08:01] <mdke> fanks
[08:01] <mtaylor> sorry for lurking and asking assinine questions... but has there been any work to make reportbug able to file launchpad bugs if it needs to? 
[08:01] <kiko> muntyan, but even if you are the only developer, you may forget and file dupes. I know because I do that all the time for launchpad
[08:01] <kiko> at any rate
[08:02] <kiko> if you pay attention to the first page in the guided filebug workflow
[08:02] <mdke> kiko finally reveals that he is the only developer on Launchpad
[08:02] <kiko> there is a hint there
[08:02] <muntyan> kiko: you are saying you are saving me from my errors when i don't want you to. of course i can file a duplicate. i can *easily* do it even with search
[08:03] <kiko> muntyan, I'm not going to discuss the wisdom of that, but did you read what I wrote above?
[08:03] <muntyan> um, "first page in the guided filebug workflow"?
[08:03] <muntyan> what's "guided filebug workflow"?
[08:04] <mdke> mtaylor: try #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-devel, they might know more
[08:04] <kiko> muntyan, the regular file-a-bug pages.
[08:04] <mtaylor> mdke: thanks.
[08:04] <mdke> mtaylor: if not the mailing list for -bugs
[08:05] <muntyan> kiko: thanks :)
[08:05] <mdke> kiko: about Fix-It-Friday. I have a bug I'd like to nominate for a very easy fix, but I'm never around on irc during the day so I won't be able to catch matt. Can I just add the tag to the bug myself?
[08:05] <kiko> mdke, sure, or point matt revell to it (that may  be more effective)
[08:06] <mdke> kiko: I'll do that. Thanks
[08:06] <kiko> sure thing
[08:08] <muntyan> i just tried entering two words, it shows me one bug report, with both two words. there are more bugs with only one of those words
[08:09] <muntyan> so it does search for all words, as expected?
[08:10] <kiko> muntyan, was only one bug report listed? that does sound like a bug, yes
[08:13] <muntyan> kiko: try product "pida", search for "moo patch"
[08:14] <muntyan> kiko: but isn't it the right thing? if there are lot of bugs, you won't appreciate smart search which finds more than you asked for
[08:15] <kiko> muntyan, so the behaviour when searching in +filebug is different from the behaviour when searching for bugs using the normal form
[08:16] <kiko> I think that's not actually ideal, and BjornT might confirm
[08:16] <kiko> but which of the two gives you the results you want?
[08:24] <muntyan> kiko: the normal search
[08:24] <kiko> muntyan, hmmm. I wonder why you think that's better.
[08:24] <kiko> isn't more results better than less results when you are trying to find dupes?
[08:24] <BjornT> kiko: the search on +filebug is designed to search for bugs similar to a bug summary, where the normal search allows you to narrow down the search results more efficiently.
[08:25] <muntyan> kiko: depends on how much more results, i guess
[08:25] <muntyan> kiko: reading ton of irrelevant summaries is no good. what if one of words is very common, e.g. "crash"?
[08:25] <muntyan> some products crash a lot :)
[08:26] <kiko> heh
[08:26] <kiko> you have a point there, I guess
[08:27] <muntyan> kiko: see, you want to minimize number of duplicates, i want to file a bug report with reasonable amount of pain. i don't mind duplicates, they are not my main headache :)
[08:27] <muntyan> i guess if i were a product owner, and if i was thinking about search for a user, i'd have different opinion, like you :)
[08:27] <kiko> muntyan, I /hate/ duplicates
[08:31] <muntyan> um, i have another question: is it possible to allow a program to file bug reports without having user to enter his launchpad username/password?
[08:32] <muntyan> having dummy account seems to be not allowed, and anonymous bug reports are not allowed either
[08:32] <kiko> muntyan, nope. even our xmlrpc interface requires login.
[08:32] <kiko> correct in both cases
[08:32] <kiko> we /really/ want to be able to contact the bug reporter
[08:32] <kiko> if you can't contact the reporter the bug is usually not very useful
[08:33] <kiko> if it is common enough somebody else will appear and post it
[08:33] <muntyan> if it's filed by a program, with all backtraces and everything, it may be very useful
[08:33] <carlos> see you tomorrow!
[08:33] <muntyan> there are lot of people who simply don't bother registering one another account somewhere
[08:34] <muntyan> maybe you are right, dunno. if bug is common, it would lead to tons of duplicates
[08:34] <kiko> yeah.
[08:34] <muntyan> why is the life so not perfect?
[08:35] <kiko> muntyan, I'm not sure either. I think that crash reports should live in something separate from bug reports, but should be easily linkable from bug reports.
[08:35] <kiko> in an ideal world
[08:38] <kiko> and you should be able to do auto-signature matching on crashes
[09:31] <Herpes> hey
[09:33] <Herpes> i get alots of timeout errors and when i try to translate something i there isent any input field but the text area is there 
[09:33] <mdke> great nick
[09:34] <mdke> not sure what the problem is though, hopefully someone else will help you out
[09:35] <kiko> Herpes, there's a known problem with timeouts in the translation pages
[09:35] <Herpes> k, and the input fields?
[09:35] <kiko> I am meant to fix them
[09:35] <kiko> Herpes, that's something that carlos changed by mistake in this rollout, and which is pretty confusing
[09:35] <kiko> the textareas and the input fields are equivalent
[09:36] <Herpes> huh?
[09:36] <Herpes> hehe
[09:36] <kiko> you can translate using the textareas -- they are meant to function just like the input fields.
[09:36] <Herpes> i should get better eyes 
[09:36] <kiko> it's unfortunate that this landed before it was ready
[09:37] <kiko> but we need to live with it for a week or two.
[09:37] <Herpes> its fine 
[09:37] <Herpes> i just thought that the inputs had dispersed, not changed
[09:43] <Herpes> i have a question, what is a suggestion (in the translating part) is it a submitted translation for the package suggestion or is it just something that launchpad thinks is about right, and how do i know if its translated
[09:43] <Herpes> it seems pretty wired to me 
[09:46] <kiko> Herpes, that's because the text is also half-broken
[09:46] <kiko> a suggestion is a translation which is not the approved translation for a certain string
[09:52] <Herpes> fair enough, just seems that the approval guys need a kick in the nut sack, almost every of the untranslated strings has a perfect  translation (for danish)
[09:52] <Herpes> perfect suggestion*
[09:53] <kiko> Herpes, who is the translation team for danish?
[09:53] <Herpes> i don't know
[09:54] <kiko> hmmmm. me neither, but if you give me the URL you are translating for I can help you find out
[09:55] <Herpes> well, its the most programs i tried
[09:55] <kiko> can you give me a sample URL?
[09:55] <Herpes> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/thunar/+pots/thunar/da/+translate
[09:56] <Herpes> all the untranslated string has a good suggestion 
[09:58] <kiko> Herpes, if you look at the box saying "Danish translators" on the left-hand-side you'll see the team members
[09:58] <kiko> https://translations.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-da
[09:58] <Herpes> yea, see it
[09:58] <kiko> http://www.dansk-gruppen.dk
[10:00] <Herpes> it's them that is approving the suggestions?
[10:01] <kiko> yes.
[10:07] <somerville32> My #1 feature request for launchpad is to improve the bread crumb trail
[10:08] <Herpes> sent them and email to see if i can help with the approving :)
[10:09] <Herpes> nite folks 
[11:31] <Sesse> hiya. anyone here with administrator access to the LP database? I'm in a bit of a catch-22 with an account being imported from debian, but not authenticated so I cannot get a password sent to it...
[11:32] <Sesse> I've discussed it with people before, but we basically found no good solution...
[11:32] <lifeless> Sesse: what account
[11:32] <Sesse> lifeless: sesse@debian.org
[11:33] <lifeless> launchpad.net/people/~sesse
[11:33] <lifeless> what about
[11:34] <Sesse> 404
[11:34] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/~sesse
[11:34] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/~sesse-bruckner
[11:34] <Sesse> urm, ok?
[11:34] <lifeless> I'm just poking right now, bear with me
[11:34] <Sesse> :-)
[11:35] <Sesse> basically, the problem is:
[11:35] <Sesse> 1. to log in, I need my password
[11:35] <lifeless> they both appear to be you. You want to activate them ?
[11:35] <Sesse> yes, please
[11:35] <Sesse> 2. to get my password, I need an authenticated e-mail address
[11:35] <Sesse> 3. to authenticate an e-mail address, I need to log in
[11:35] <Sesse> :-)
[11:35] <lifeless> the usual process is that you login via a different email and then claim them
[11:35] <Sesse> I got mdz to reset my password at some point, but it still refused to work
[11:36] <Sesse> lifeless: hm
[11:36] <Sesse> that wasn't an option the last time
[11:36] <Sesse> I'm unsure if it actually sent me an e-mail, though, it always says it does yet I never receive anything :-)
[11:40] <Sesse> lifeless: well, if both of them weren't already imported :-)
[11:40] <Sesse> lifeless: I could create a throwaway address, but it seems sort of silly
[11:40] <Sesse> no mail yet, it should have arrived by now
[11:41] <lifeless> Sesse: hmm.
[11:41] <Sesse> lifeless: basically, I think there's some central block refusing to send out e-mail to unauthenticated e-mail addresses...
[11:41] <Sesse> that's a guess, of course.
[11:41] <Sesse> so I just need someone to poke into postgres and set them to OK
[11:41] <lifeless> possibly. But we explicitly considered how to let people come into the system
[11:42] <lifeless> who had had these pointers created as we scanned packages
[11:42] <lifeless> so it *should* work.
[11:42] <lifeless> who knows the guts of this right now... I think jamesh has a clue.
[11:42] <lifeless> Sesse: I'd like to get a little more info before I poke at pg, so that we dont lose state for diagnosis.
[11:42] <Sesse> lifeless: ok
[11:51] <Sesse> lifeless: just tell me what you need to know (or are you gathering it yourself?)
[11:52] <lifeless> Sesse: I want to talk to a specific lp dev who will be around in an hour or so
[11:52] <Sesse> ok
[11:52] <Sesse> no hurry, I've been without launchpad access since it started :-)
[11:52] <Sesse> I just make attempts to make it work for me every half year or so