[12:18] <willvdl> I only get paid if I do some actual work...
[12:18] <nixternal> ooh, i guess i wouldn't get paid then :)
[12:18] <willvdl> which is why wheel reinvention si so fruitful :)
[12:18] <nixternal> i must say, this contract i am working on is rather simple, but it is a cool job
[12:18] <nixternal> only lasts a few more weeks though
[12:18] <nixternal> 2 more weeks actually
[12:19] <nixternal> willvdl: i am working on a wheel reinvention/polishing act
[12:19] <willvdl> you're Polish?
[12:19] <nixternal> working on a business management restructuring proposal as well as a new marketing guide for the chicago cubs
[12:20] <nixternal> actually, yes i am polish, and swedish, and irish, and american injun
[12:20] <LaserJock> that's a decent mix
[12:21] <nixternal> i have just enough polish in me to make the dumb poloko jokes w/o getting beat up
[12:21] <LaserJock> haha
[12:21] <nixternal> hehe
[12:21] <mdke> it all starts to make sense
[12:21] <nixternal> im a 1/4 of each
[12:21] <LaserJock> I've kinda lost track of what all I am
[12:21] <nixternal> hahah mdke if i ever meet you i will make you pay for that one :)
[12:21] <LaserJock> mostly western european
[12:21] <mdke> nixternal: :)
[12:21] <nixternal> hehe
[12:21] <mdke> I've got some good stuff too
[12:21] <nixternal> i know there is some italian worked in there with the polish side as well
[12:22] <nixternal> but both of my grandfathers were 100%, one irish, one swedish (hence the Johnson I guess)
[12:22] <nixternal> my dad's mom was 100% chawktaw (i can never spell that)
[12:23] <nixternal> and my only livin' granny is a gentle mix of polish and italian
[12:23] <mdke> today I've had 39 cents, world record!
[12:23] <crimsun> Choctaw.
[12:23] <nixternal> mdke: i have earned $0.2
[12:23] <nixternal> err $.27
[12:23] <nixternal> you have me by 12 cents
[12:23] <nixternal> thanks crimsun :)
[12:23] <LaserJock> off the top of my head, that I know of, I think I have  English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, German, French (and French Canadian), and Swiss
[12:23] <mdke> nixternal: what's your average?
[12:23] <willvdl> what do I do with stuff like https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuViaNetBoot?
[12:23] <nixternal> still says 0
[12:23] <nixternal> for average
[12:24] <nixternal> i have had it for over a year
[12:24] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:24] <nixternal> in 1 year I earned $0.27. I need $99.73 before they cut my first check
[12:24] <mdke> heh
[12:24] <mdke> my average is 23 cents
[12:24] <LaserJock> heh
[12:25] <LaserJock> I think  my uncle makes something like $300/month on advertising on his website
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> How's adsense work?  How much traffic do you need to make it worthwhile?
[12:25] <mdke> he has a lot more interesting things to say than me, I guess
[12:25] <nixternal> damn, now it says $0.26. Hell, I am actually losing money
[12:25] <mdke> tonyyarusso: you need to write about the same thing all the time and make it interesting, then have some well placed ads
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Hmm
[12:26] <LaserJock> mdke: he runs one of the most used near-death experience websites :/
[12:26] <crimsun> yet another reason why I'd make $0 on ads.
[12:26] <nixternal> i have just a Firefox button now.
[12:26] <mdke> whoosh
[12:27] <nixternal> i got sick of the the adsense bar with ads for Linspire and Gentoo
[12:27] <nixternal>  563   3   0.53%   $0.46   $0.26
[12:27] <nixternal> there is my killer adsense report
[12:27] <nixternal> haha
[12:28] <LaserJock> that stuff just creeps me out
[12:29] <crimsun> nothing should faze one-third of the motu trinity.
[12:29] <LaserJock> I know
[12:29] <LaserJock> but it's just ridiculous what you can do with an internet connection
[12:30] <willvdl> exactly why I'm going to bed now
[12:30] <nixternal> hehe
[12:30] <nixternal> LaserJock: or can't do with an internet connection
[12:30] <willvdl> ciao
[12:31] <mdke> 3 clicks, that's very good
[12:31] <mdke> crimsun: who are the motu trinity?
[12:31] <crimsun> mdke: imbrandon, bddebian, and LaserJock
[12:31] <nixternal> haha
[12:31] <mdke> not you?
[12:31] <nixternal> crimsun is the matrix
[12:31] <crimsun> gosh no, I'm a mere mortal.
[12:31] <mdke> dholbach?
[12:31] <LaserJock> mdke: he's the one that rules them all ;-)
[12:32] <nixternal> there is no question that I have seen crimsun not answer
[12:32] <LaserJock> crimsun's the one that does all the work
[12:32] <crimsun> there are plenty, rich
[12:32] <nixternal> man, i sore mpt's domain said ds.testicular.net
[12:32] <nixternal> i need food, my eyes are messed up
[01:07] <mdke> :)
[02:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: can I say "oh crap"? This patch I'm writing... it will need to be remade each and every new release of doc-linux-html...
[03:47] <nixternal> ewww ryanakca
[03:48] <ryanakca> nixternal: my reaction as well :)
[04:01] <ryanakca> nixternal: almost worth writing something to automate it..
[04:01] <nixternal> or deleting it :)
[04:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: someone in #python and I tried to write a script... didn't work very well
[04:08] <ryanakca> yeah... three quarters of the stuff in it is obsolete... aka, written when I was in kindergarten, or before...
[04:08] <nixternal> lol
[04:08] <ryanakca> I've got 3 hours... and I'm a third done...
[04:08] <nixternal> i remember living in the linux documentation project in the early to mid 90s
[04:08] <ryanakca> I'm wondering if it's worth the 9 hours of volunteer hours
[04:09] <nixternal> back when you had to configure everything before it would work
[04:09] <nixternal> ootb was the same as cussing back then
[04:09] <ryanakca> early 90s... '92 was the magic year, eh?
[04:09] <ryanakca> ootb?
[04:09] <nixternal> out of the box
[04:09] <nixternal> no such thing back then
[04:09] <ryanakca> ah
[04:09] <nixternal> man, i remember when lilo would kill systems
[04:10] <nixternal> heh, i remember leaving slackware just a few years back to venture in mepis and then kubuntu. i was like wth is this grub junk :)
[04:11] <ryanakca> did Xfree86 get renamed to Xorg or something? or are they two different projects? X11?
[04:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: ah, so XFree86 is a project owned by X.Org?
[04:15] <nixternal> ya, it has been shortened :)
[04:16] <ryanakca> kk
[03:22] <WaterSevenUb> I've been a little bit out of phase with docs, perhaps this is already corrected. In the Edgy "Contribute" document, Section "Spreading the Word", there is a reference to "Going Local" which is not hyperlinked, therefore translations won't work.
[03:25] <WaterSevenUb> I mean... there should only be one reference to "Going Local" in all the document, to avoid different translations across the document (small, in this case)
[06:45] <Seveas> mdke, ping
[07:04] <Nafallo> hi! is this the place to get things on help.ubuntu.com fixed? :-)
[07:18] <nixternal> Nafallo: yes
[07:18] <LaserJock> nixternal!
[07:18] <LaserJock> do you ever sleep?
[07:18] <nixternal> oi JockStrap
[07:19] <nixternal> im always asleep
[07:19] <Nafallo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwedishDocumentation
[07:19] <Nafallo> :-P
[07:19] <LaserJock> nixternal: haha, very funny
[07:19] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:19] <nixternal> ahhh, Nafallo that is open for you to fix as well :)
[07:19] <nixternal> that is the community wiki
[07:19] <nixternal> holy cow them are some wild colors on that page
[07:20] <Nafallo> it is? :-P
[07:20] <nixternal> ok, i see that as a pretty major error there :)
[07:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: swedes *rolling eyes*
[07:20] <nixternal> watch it now :)
[07:20] <Nafallo> LaserJock: lol
[07:21] <Nafallo> same? :-)
[07:21] <nixternal> i might be chicagoan, but damnit my last name is either Swedish or African American
[07:21] <LaserJock> nixternal: hah
[07:21] <nixternal> im guessing swedish as my great grandparents moved from there to chicago in the 1800's
[07:21] <nixternal> ;)
[07:22] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:22] <LaserJock> I haven't found any swedish in me yet
[07:22] <LaserJock> but I'm sure it's there somewhere
[07:22] <Nafallo> so how to fix the damn thing so moinmoin doesn't crash? ;-)
[07:22] <nixternal> i wonder if #language or whatever will fix that?
[07:24] <mdke> Seveas: pong
[07:24] <mdke> Seveas: (just leaving a message works too)
[07:25] <Seveas> mdke, what's the rt mailaddress? :)
[07:25] <mdke> I'm pm you it
[07:25] <Seveas> gracias
[07:26] <mdke> Seveas: is that about pastebin?
[07:26] <nixternal> Nafallo: take a look at it now :)
[07:26] <nixternal> i found the issue
[07:26] <nixternal> i just don't know wth it really is
[07:26] <Nafallo> nixternal: thanks :-)
[07:27] <Nafallo> hhaha
[07:27] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/464/
[07:27] <nixternal> ^^ that is what caused the issue
[07:27] <Seveas> damn the pastebin is slow...
[07:28] <nixternal> pastebin was rather quick for me
[07:28] <mdke> you must have connected first and hogged the connections :)
[07:29] <nixternal> hehe
[07:29] <nixternal> im sure i did
[07:29] <nixternal> mdke: i can't believe i didn't see the answer to the info dialog with the lp doc
[07:29] <mdke> the same point you raised also struck me
[07:29] <nixternal> also, you replied to just me in that email if you hadn't noticed already, or unless you meant to do that
[07:29] <mdke> oh, crap
[07:29] <nixternal> lol
[07:30] <mdke> no, I didn't notice that
[07:30] <mdke> I'll do it again
[07:30] <nixternal> ok, i figured i would let you know instead of forwarding it
[07:30] <nixternal> just to be safe
[07:30] <Nafallo> anyway, problem solved...
[07:32] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: can you explain more?
[07:35] <nixternal> hrmm. amazing what you can read when you scroll up :)  i was wondering what you were asking him to explain
[07:35] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, System, Help, System Documentation, Contributing to Ubuntu, "Going Local" section on the left. "Going Local!" reference appears on section "Spreading the Word" (the fourth one in the list). In the .PO "Going Local!" appears in two different places, and therefore, may have different translations if no one reviews the document carefully. There should be one title in the .PO "Going Local!" and then reference it to pick up the trans
[07:35] <WaterSevenUb> lations..
[07:35] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, and.... nice catch in the log ;)
[07:36] <WaterSevenUb> (hope that was clearer)
[07:38] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: yes, clear now. If there are two entries in the po, that means the phrases must have a difference... any idea what it is?
[07:39] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, hhhmm... perhaps not clear enough :-) I was just asking that the sentence "Join or start a Local Community Team - if you like
[07:39] <WaterSevenUb>         Ubuntu, it is likely that others around you like it as
[07:39] <WaterSevenUb>         well! See the "Going Local!" section for details."
[07:39] <WaterSevenUb> when reference "Going Local!" use a link rather than plain text.
[07:39] <mdke> heh
[07:39] <mdke> totally clear now
[07:40] <WaterSevenUb> i.e., use a link with the content of "Going Local!" translation ...
[07:41] <mdke> I'll fix that now, but only for Feisty, it won't be fixed in Edgy, I'm afraid
[07:41] <mdke> done
[07:42] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, don't worry, no problem since the document is small. In larger documents becomes a problem in our distributed translation model :)
[07:42] <WaterSevenUb> and thank you.
[07:43] <mdke> thanks for submitting it
[07:44] <WaterSevenUb> btw do you plan a new u-docs upload in Edgy or what you said is just because there won't be any upload?
[07:44] <mdke> I've applied for permission to do a new upload with some fixes to important bugs, but they haven't considered it yet
[07:45] <mdke> as for translations, we could do one, what do you think?
[07:47] <WaterSevenUb> you can easily make a diff of new translations vs last upload per language, right? I guess there are languages with no changes and languages with a lot of changes.... so, I don't know:)
[07:49] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: not easily, no
[07:53] <WaterSevenUb> well sometimes a few string changes with corrections are as important as 100 new strings translated. Anyway, imho I would upload only if there is a request of some team member.
[07:54] <WaterSevenUb> some script to easily generate statistics from all the ubuntu docs documents would be of great help for you :)
[07:55] <mdke> well, the problem is that we have to download the po files and then repair all the errors before we can analyse the changes
[07:59] <mdke> danilo showed me how to ensure that I can upload fixes we do to translations back to rosetta, but I haven't implemented that yet
[08:02] <WaterSevenUb> hhmm... that seems great to ease your work. I guess the only thing that you (can) do with small effort is to compare UDOC_LC_versionX.po with UDOC_LC_versionY and make a report for every language of Changed, New, Unchanged... strings...
[08:03] <mdke> sounds a bit complicated
[08:03] <mdke> we haven't even got the basics working yet :D
[08:04] <WaterSevenUb> :)
[08:23] <somerville32> Where are things like "&printng;" defined?
[08:24] <mdke> somerville32: if it's a menu entry in an Ubuntu document, then the answer is trunk/ubuntu/menus/C/printing.xml and trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-menus.ent
[08:24] <mdke> if it's something else in a Kubuntu/Xubuntu document, then you'll have to point it out
[08:24] <somerville32> Xubuntu doc
[08:24] <somerville32> and it is a menu entry
[08:25] <mdke> erm. It's not defined at all, afaics
[08:25] <mdke> where did you see it?
[08:25] <somerville32> I'm editing
[08:26] <somerville32> aka, I added it :] 
[08:26] <somerville32> So I created a new xml file in menus/C/
[08:26] <mdke> that's right
[08:26] <somerville32> and I need to edit libs/ubuntu-menus.ent now?
[08:26] <mdke> then add it to xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent
[08:26] <mdke> there isn't an ubuntu-menus.ent for xubuntu
[08:26] <somerville32> kk
[08:27] <mdke> somerville32: we'll look forward to your patch :)
[08:28] <somerville32> :D
[08:35] <somerville32> Ok
[08:35] <somerville32> patch ready! :D
[08:36] <mdke> send it and ping luzi about it too to make sure all is ok
[08:37] <somerville32> mdke: I dunno if luzi is still around. Luzi said that he wasn't going to be able to devote too much time.
[08:40] <somerville32> Infact, I don't think anyone has touched Xubuntu documentation since breezy
[08:42] <somerville32> mdke: Can you confirm that?
[08:42] <mdke> ok, we'll do something else. Hang on, phone
[08:45] <somerville32> k
[08:59] <somerville32> mdke: Is it alright for me to e-mail the patch or are we going to do something different?
[09:02] <mdke> pls email, yeah (still phone)
[09:10] <somerville32> mdke: sent
[09:19] <mdke> somerville32: right, I'll give you some feedback on the patch now, if you like. then, you promise me you'll be a good boy in future, and I'll fast track your svn access through
[09:19] <somerville32> ok :] 
[09:19] <mdke> number one, did you use the validate.sh script?
[09:20] <mdke> always use it before committing/making a patch
[09:20] <somerville32> If I say no, will you promise not to hit me too hard?
[09:20] <somerville32> I thought that maybe it would be used in the makefile
[09:20] <mdke> well, I know the answer, cos I can see the error. Course I won't hit you
[09:21] <mdke> hi JR
[09:21] <Riddell> who's doing UWN?
[09:21] <mdke> Riddell: #ubuntu-marketing, corey tends to boss it around, I believe
[09:22] <somerville32> I am
[09:22] <somerville32> Well, Corey and I are the "chief-editors"
[09:22] <somerville32> mdke: Which file specifically has the errors?
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> Meaning, somerville32 has to do the dirty work now and Burg beats on him if it's wrong ;)
[09:23] <somerville32> haha
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> Riddell: Why do you ask?
[09:23] <mdke> somerville32: you need to use the validate script on desktopguide.xml
[09:23] <Riddell> tonyyarusso: I have something to add but it seems to be in a password restricted gobby session
[09:23] <Riddell> somerville32: how do I add something?
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[09:23] <somerville32> Riddell: ufl@ftw
[09:24] <tonyyarusso> Riddell: The password and server info is all there, and you can either add directly, or drop stuff on the Ideas page
[09:25] <Riddell> why is it on gobby instead of just the wiki?
[09:25] <mdke> because the wiki doens't permit two people to edit at the same time, I'll guess
[09:26] <Riddell> is that much of a problem mid week?
[09:26] <mdke> I assumed it was only done during some kind of sprint finish
[09:26] <mdke> somerville32: ?
[09:27] <mdke> somerville32: deal with Riddell first then we'll go through these errors
[09:27] <somerville32> Riddell: We were working on it last night
[09:27] <somerville32> Riddell: 3-4 of us. However, tonyyarusso can import back to the wiki.
[09:28] <Riddell> meh, don't, I'm editing gobby now! :)
[09:28] <somerville32> :D
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> that reminds me...I was going to upload a file to the wiki for DBO
[09:28] <somerville32> mdke: That error is scarry
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> oops
[09:28] <mdke> somerville32: no, it's actually not bad. I think maybe you'll get more errors when you fix the first one
[09:29] <mdke> somerville32: so &printing; didn't work, as you can see
[09:29] <somerville32> Worked for me :/
[09:29] <mdke> yeah, there's a simple reason :)
[09:29] <mdke> you didn't include it in your patch
[09:30] <nixternal> mdke: do we have anything that is top priority for the tbh stuff as of right now? (besides adding content)
[09:30] <mdke> do "svn add filename" then redo the patch
[09:30] <mdke> nixternal: merging the book is number one for me
[09:30] <nixternal> how are you going about doing that?
[09:31] <nixternal> actually, merging won't be so much with Kubuntu as there is one brief chapter, which is nice
[09:31] <somerville32> mdke: So, what does the error mean?
[09:31] <mdke> well, by finding out things that are in the book and not in our docs, then adding them, but modifying the language so that it's appropriate for on-screen help
[09:31] <mdke> somerville32: can you pastebin it? Because I'm missing the printing file, I think it's likely that my error is different to yours
[09:33] <somerville32> http://pastebin.ca/305426
[09:34] <mdke> somerville32: yes, it is a different one :)
[09:34] <mdke> that's the one that I saw in the patch
[09:34] <mdke> ok, the first bit tells you the filename and the line the error is on
[09:35] <mdke> then it says "element note content does not follow the DTD", which means that the contents of the <note> tag are not in compliance with the rules
[09:35] <WaterSevenUb> (About your discussion on Wiki vs. Gobby for UWN ... If a team wants to start translating the UWN, what steps should it follow? Do you freeze the UWN on the release day? Do you usually use Gobby? How do we get access to the server? Thank you.)
[09:35] <mdke> then it tells you ALL the different possible contents for a <note> tag
[09:36] <mdke> then lastly, it tells you what it got instead (CDATA, which means text)
[09:36] <mdke> in plain english:
[09:36] <mdke> you need to do <note><para>Text</para></note>
[09:37] <somerville32> WaterSevenUb: ask in #ubuntu-marketing please :)
[09:37] <somerville32> mdke: Ah! k :)
[09:37] <mdke> somerville32: I explained it long hand so that you can figure out any other errors you get in the future
[09:38] <mdke> fix that, then run the validate script again
[09:38] <mdke> then do the "svn add" thing, resend the patch, and promise faithfully to always use the validate script on stuff
[09:38] <mdke> ok, cool
[09:39] <somerville32> somerville32@serenity:~/code/xubuntu-documentation/xubuntu/desktopguide/C$ ../../../validate.sh desktopguide.xml
[09:39] <somerville32> somerville32@serenity:~/code/xubuntu-documentation/xubuntu/desktopguide/C$
[09:39] <somerville32> :D
[09:40] <mdke> I'll apply for you to have svn access. It should not take too long. If anyone gets jealous, you were fast tracked because xubuntu needs more contributors and you are a well known Xubuntu legend
[09:40] <somerville32> lol
[09:40] <mdke> nixternal: we should do the same for Edubuntu (will and whoever else we judge to be reasonably competent with docbook)
[09:40] <somerville32> I've never been called that before
[09:40] <somerville32> Thanks :] 
[09:41] <nixternal> hehe, if anyone gets jealous :)
[09:41] <mdke> yw. See if you can drum up some more contributors
[09:41] <mdke> nixternal: IT MIGHT HAPPEN
[09:41] <nixternal> im jealous
[09:41] <mdke> heh
[09:42] <nixternal> for edubuntu cbx33 and ogra come to mind for access. I have no clue where everyone else went that was helping me
[09:42] <nixternal> oh ya and will of course if he needs/wants it
[09:42] <popey> mdke: uk
[09:42] <popey> er, ok
[09:42] <nixternal> hee
[09:42] <nixternal> er, hehe
[09:42] <mdke> nixternal: nod
[09:43] <mdke> popey: now then. mod_rewrite first I think
[09:43] <somerville32> ok
[09:43] <popey> i checked and that seems to be there
[09:43] <somerville32> updated patch submitted
[09:43] <mdke> somerville32: good job :)
[09:43] <mdke> popey: damn
[09:43] <somerville32> Thanks :] 
[09:43] <nixternal> i would say hedgemage but i have no idea where she went. i hope everything is ok with her and her family. i know her husband was having some military injury complications (nothing life threatening)
[09:44] <mdke> popey: it's rewrite.load is it?
[09:44] <popey> alan@hudson:/srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/screencasts$  grep -R  mod_rewrite /etc/apache2/
[09:44] <mdke> yes
[09:44] <popey> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load:LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so
[09:45] <somerville32> mdke: When will I know if I got svn access?
[09:45] <nixternal> somerville32: you will get an email
[09:45] <mdke> somerville32: when they email your password to you
[09:45] <nixternal> encrypted
[09:45] <somerville32> mdke: Alright. Are you going to apply my patch?
[09:45] <mdke> somerville32: yes
[09:45] <mdke> popey: so the obvious solution is out the window
[09:46] <popey> any thing in error.log?
[09:46] <mdke> let's see
[09:46] <popey> obviously it works on my server so comparisons can be made
[09:47] <popey> right, i have it i think
[09:47] <popey> AllowOverride AuthConfig
[09:48] <popey> actually
[09:48] <popey> could be
[09:48] <popey> AllowOverride All
[09:49] <popey> http://www.chovy.com/web-development/mod-rewrite-rules-you-can-live-with/
[09:49] <mdke> error.log isn't helpful
[09:49] <popey> "AllowOverride All will allow you to use mod rewrite rules in your .htaccess file."
[09:49] <popey> can you set allowoverrid all in my virtual host config?
[09:49] <mdke> oh, you think .htaccess isn't turned on at all?
[09:49] <popey> it appears not
[09:49] <mdke> I think I'll turn it on globally
[09:50] <mdke> is #AccessFileName .htaccess
[09:50] <mdke> enough?
[09:50] <popey> yeah
[09:50] <popey> ./screencasts/.htaccess
[09:50] <mdke> I don't need AllowOverride as well?
[09:51] <popey> i believe you need that as well, yes
[09:51] <popey> I thought you meant "is it enough to use just that filename"
[09:51] <mdke> search for .htaccess in apache2.conf and read the lines above and below it, and let me know what I need
[09:52] <somerville32> If you set AllowOverride All, you can change pretty much any of your vhost settings in the .htaccess file
[09:52] <mdke> does that need to be inside <Directory>?
[09:52] <popey> to be fair you only need to change it in doc.ubuntu.com
[09:52] <popey> and yes, it can be
[09:52] <mdke> I might as well enable it generally
[09:53] <popey> yes, uncomment that chunk above the AccessFileName line
[09:54] <mdke> those 4 lines. What about the bit below it?
[09:54] <popey> yes
[09:54] <mdke> leave that?
[09:54] <popey> that needs to be there or people can browse to http://doc.ubuntu.com/foo/bar/.htaccess
[09:54] <popey> and see all kinds of naughtyness
[09:54] <popey> you don't want to serve that file up
[09:54] <mdke> fine
[09:54] <popey> http://quickones.org/.htaccess <-- it should do that
[09:55] <mdke> ok, see if it works now
[09:56] <popey> did you reload?
[09:56] <mdke> yes
[09:57] <popey> nope, still fails
[09:57] <popey> http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/faq is the test case
[09:57] <popey> you can turn on the trace level of mod_rewrite to see if anything appears in the error log
[09:58] <mdke> ok
[09:58] <mdke> how?
[09:59] <somerville32> mdke: Is svn access managed through the rt?
[09:59] <mdke> somerville32: that's right
[09:59] <popey>  RewriteLogLevel Level  ?
[10:01] <mdke> popey: where?
[10:01] <popey> good question
[10:02] <popey> ahh, hang on
[10:03] <popey> may have found something
[10:03] <popey> no, i have that in .htaccess
[10:03] <mdke> ah
[10:04] <popey> i don't think rewrite is working
[10:04] <popey> at all
[10:04] <popey> for example in my htaccess i have a ErrorDocument 404 /index.php
[10:05] <popey> which it is ignoring
[10:05] <mdke> right
[10:05] <mdke> it should be working, because I notice that they've configured it for the old days when help.ubuntu.com was on that server
[10:05] <popey> aha!
[10:06] <popey> you have it enabled in apache2.conf
[10:06] <popey> but disabled in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/doc.ubuntu.com
[10:06] <popey> so i guess that overrides apache2.conf?
[10:06] <popey>         <Directory /srv/doc.ubuntu.com/www/>
[10:06] <popey>                 Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
[10:06] <popey>                 AllowOverride None
[10:06] <mdke> oh dear
[10:07] <popey>         ServerAdmin mdke@ubuntu.com
[10:07] <popey> D'oh!
[10:07] <mdke> heh
[10:08] <mdke> ok, works now. Good job
[10:08] <popey> w000t
[10:08] <popey> we rock
[10:09] <mdke> well, not sure about we, but you do anyway
[10:09] <popey> ok, i need to edit all the urls to point to the local videos, but that's easy, need to tweak the faq and other bits and bobs
[10:09] <popey> will do that tonight/tomorrow
[10:09] <popey> next?
[10:09] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam ?
[10:09] <mdke> ya
[10:09] <mdke> it might be an idea to have the faq and similar things on the wiki, actually
[10:10] <popey> agreed, I will type it up where it is
[10:10] <popey> then we can just move it
[10:10] <popey> point the site at the wiki - easy enough
[10:10] <mdke> great. Something like ScreencastTeam/FAQ
[10:10] <popey> yup
[10:10] <mdke> I've noticed quite  alot of docs at ScreenCasts too
[10:10] <popey> yes, i was brain dumping
[10:11] <popey> i am simplifying that lot
[10:11] <mdke> do you think those could become useful for the team, or did you envisage them to be more general
[10:11] <popey> yes
[10:11] <popey> I have started on a simplified version
[10:11] <popey> problem is some people like to use different tools
[10:11] <popey> and there are alot of screencasting tools to use
[10:12] <popey> I should really focus on the one I use, as that works
[10:12] <popey> (although now well for some people)
[10:12] <mdke> well, the team should definitely have standard tools
[10:13] <mdke> obviously the ones you are using now are the obvious candidates, if people want to change them, they can suggest the changes and try and justify them later on
[10:13] <popey> ok, that's good, I have found a set that works for me
[10:13] <popey> yes
[10:13] <popey> or debug why the one I am using isn't working for them
[10:14] <popey> (by the way I tried to join the moderated doc team on launchpad, any reason that I should not have been accepted?)
[10:16] <mdke> sorry, brb
[10:17] <popey> np
[10:24] <mdke> popey: the moderated doc team is for people with svn access really.
[10:26] <popey> ahh, ok
[10:26] <popey> that's fine
[10:26] <popey> ok, so "how to contribute"
[10:27] <popey> we need some way to capture requested screencasts
[10:27] <popey> a wiki page? ScreencatTeam/requests ?
[10:28] <mdke> yes, with a capital R. Do you have a page like that already?
[10:28] <popey> well, not so much requested, as planned
[10:28] <popey> maybe I could put those in
[10:28] <popey> it's on my personal wiki
[10:29] <popey> http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VideoDemos
[10:29] <popey> I would also like to have a page (as I have on my wiki) detailing each one
[10:29] <mdke> each request?
[10:29] <popey> that way people can add to it before it gets made - not only make requests for the screencasts, but also the content
[10:29] <popey> ok, here is an example..
[10:30] <popey> http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VideoDemos/WhatAreTheComponents
[10:30] <mdke> ok, we can use the same structure as on your wiki
[10:30] <popey> is one I think would be good
[10:30] <popey> ok, cool
[10:30] <mdke> and make a template for requests
[10:30] <popey> yes
[10:30] <popey> i had a kind of template http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VideoDemos/WatchingVideos
[10:31] <popey> that layout
[10:31] <mdke> ok
[10:32] <popey> so people understand whats going to be in it before it is recorded
[10:32] <popey> and people could add to that
[10:32] <popey> we could also juggle the list on the Requests page to prioritise them
[10:32] <mdke> we can use a little box
[10:32] <popey> at the moment I am just plucking them off a list
[10:32] <mdke> people simply insert the name of their request in the box, the template appears, and they fill it out
[10:33] <popey> sounds whizzy
[10:33] <mdke> then they save the page and it appears in the list of requests on the parent page
[10:33] <popey> can you do that?
[10:33] <mdke> yes. it's easy
[10:33] <popey> how about a vote system?
[10:33] <popey> people ++ the ones they would like to see?
[10:33] <popey> or is that OTT?
[10:34] <mdke> that's interesting. Can Launchpad help with that?
[10:34] <mdke> if not, manually would work
[10:34] <popey> ok, can I leave that to you? or someone else?
[10:34] <mdke> we can sort it out when we have the request list working
[10:35] <popey> ok, cool
[10:35] <mdke> the other aspect of "How to Contribute" is a guide to helping people get involved
[10:35] <popey> how so?
[10:37] <mdke> well, telling them how they can make a screencast and join the team
[10:37] <popey> right, part of that is tha guide
[10:38] <mdke> is there already one in existence?
[10:39] <popey> not a good one
[10:39] <popey> I am distilling the rather verbose and technical one I wrote
[10:42] <mdke> ok
[10:42] <mdke> plenty of time
[10:42] <popey> just typing up what is to-do
[10:42] <mdke> cool. I will update the wiki page in a bit
[10:43] <mdke> Launchpad Policy - any initial thoughts?
[10:43] <popey> with respect to membership?
[10:43] <mdke> what sort of contribution workflow do you envisage?
[10:43] <popey> i dont right now
[10:43] <mdke> I notice ubuntuclips has a mechanism for visitors to submit clips for evaluation
[10:43] <popey> not sure what is possible with launchpad wrt workflow
[10:43] <mdke> it would be nice to do that
[10:43] <popey> yes
[10:44] <popey> ok then..
[10:44] <popey> i would envisage that people should submit a spec for one
[10:44] <mdke> you mean the template discussed earlier?
[10:44] <popey> rather than submit a video, because once the video is made (time consuming) to throw it away and ask for it to be recreated is a bit much
[10:44] <popey> yes
[10:44] <mdke> ok
[10:45] <mdke> and then discussion on mailing list, you think?
[10:46] <mdke> is there a way for a video to be submitted for evaluation in the cms?
[10:47] <popey> uhm
[10:47] <popey> there can be yes
[10:47] <popey> it's very easy to knock a contact page up with specific fields like URL to video
[10:48] <popey> you don't want them uploading
[10:48] <mdke> in that case, contribution requires the ability to host
[10:48] <mdke> do you immagine that would be a limiting factor on contribution?
[10:48] <popey> no, not if people upload to google/youtoob
[10:48] <popey> and submit a url to that
[10:49] <mdke> ok, that's the way to go
[10:49] <popey> then if accepted we ask for them to send us the video proper - the master
[10:49] <popey> or they can upload to archive.org for nothing
[10:49] <mdke> google/youtube sounds fine
[10:49] <popey> but we really don't want people uploading any old crud to d.u.c
[10:50] <mdke> sure
[10:50] <popey> we would have to start sanity checking it
[10:50] <mdke> as for the Launchpad team, it should probably be the people who have access to actually add new videos
[10:50] <mdke> in which case membership policy should be "moderated"
[10:51] <mdke> make sense?
[10:51] <popey> yes
[10:52] <mdke> we can add people who submit a few videos which get approved
[10:52] <mdke> ?
[10:52] <popey> yes
[10:52] <mdke> ok, anything else you wanted to talk about?
[10:52] <popey> user maint is easy, they register themselves, we tick a box that says they can upload
[10:52] <popey> just need to summarise my to-do list
[10:52] <mdke> I'll write up what we've discussed on the wiki
[10:52] <popey> oh ok
[10:53] <mdke> in terms of what is ready to be presented already on the ScreencastTeam page
[10:53] <popey> here's what I have as my to-do
[10:53] <popey> * Update URLs in existing videos to point to local videos
[10:53] <popey> * Update quickones site to redirect all visits to doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts
[10:53] <popey> * Migrate & reformat http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VideoDemos to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Requests
[10:54] <popey> * Create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RequestTemplate
[10:54] <popey> * Update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/HowToRecordScreencasts
[10:54] <popey> * Update google video texts to point to d.u.c/s
[10:54] <mdke> scratch the "HowTo" part (personal itch of mine)
[10:55] <mdke> RecordingScreencasts
[10:55] <popey> * Modify FAQ then migrate to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/FAQ
[10:55] <popey> ok
[10:55] <mdke> and it should probably be ScreencastTeam/Requests/Template
[10:56] <popey> ok
[10:57] <mdke> looks fabulous to me
[10:58] <popey> :)
[10:58] <popey> I am happy that it's moving forward
[10:59] <mdke> me too
[11:00] <mdke> just finishing the wiki page
[11:06] <mdke> popey: let's disable the forum section too, and we even point "Contact" to the main wiki page
[11:06] <mdke> wiki page is ready for your review, btw
[11:08] <popey> cool
[11:10] <popey> forums disabled
[11:10] <popey> contact form disabled also
[11:11] <mdke> once you create those two pages linked on that, I'll do the form for submitting new specs, then I think we can do some publicity
[11:11] <popey> ok
[11:11] <popey> I am adding a link at the top right next to the "Home" tab to link to the launch pad team page, and one to the wiki page
[11:11] <popey> what do you want the titles to be?
[11:12] <popey> just Team and Wiki ?
[11:13] <mdke> hmm.
[11:13] <mdke> not Wiki, it's not very descriptive. Contribute?
[11:15] <popey> http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/ how does that look?
[11:15] <mdke> pretty sweet
[11:15] <mdke> I wonder if we should hide the left hand column
[11:16] <mdke> is user reg needed for comments?
[11:17] <popey> no
[11:17] <popey> they are moderated
[11:18] <mdke> so, assuming the login is only needed for uploading screenshots, we could happily hide it..., and we need to get rid of "Create Content" anyway, because it's superceded by "Contribute"
[11:18] <popey> true
[11:18] <popey> it's messy
[11:19] <popey> done
[11:19] <popey> no blocks either side
[11:20] <popey> to be honest the whole site is not really needed
[11:20] <popey> :)
[11:20] <mdke> User Login is still there
[11:20] <mdke> anyway, the comments column on the right was ok, wasn't it?
[11:20] <popey> ah, ok, i don't see that because I am logged in
[11:20] <mdke> nod
[11:20] <popey> yeah, thought that was next on your cull list though
[11:20] <popey> and if people DO register they need some way to login
[11:22] <mdke> but if you remove the User Login thing, they won't register
[11:22] <mdke> they can just post comments anonymously
[11:22] <popey> they can
[11:23] <mdke> so we can get rid of the concept of registration/logging in (except for those uploading videos), and retain comments, right?
[11:23] <popey> as I say this site is going to become a bit redundant if we can just migrate the content to the wiki surely?
[11:23] <popey> what's wrong with each entry being a wiki page?
[11:24] <popey> brb
[11:24] <mdke> popey: I think it works well to have the published content on an official looking site, and plus, the wiki wouldn't handle all those attachments very well :)
[11:27] <mdke> popey: couple of minor things: probably the license post can be un-stickied (although it should be made clear somewhere), the title of the cms is still quickones.org and
[11:27] <mdke> and nothing!
[11:33] <somerville32> With SVN, what does G mean?
[11:33] <somerville32> ie. G    about/xubuntu-index.html
[11:34] <mdke> hmm
[11:34] <mdke> somerville32: it means you have a local modification which is inconsistent with an update that has been done on the server
[11:34] <somerville32> And... why would that occur if you applied my patch? lol
[11:34] <mdke> i.e. you changed something after making the patch,
[11:35] <somerville32> Can't be
[11:35] <somerville32> All the files I edited are marked G
[11:35] <mdke> bizarre
[11:35] <somerville32> However, svn status doesn't show the G
[11:35] <mdke> even more bizarre
[11:35] <mdke> delete them and do "svn up". or alternatively, read the svn docs :)
[11:35] <somerville32> At my the latest revision
[11:36] <mdke> I'm confident I applied the correct patch
[11:36] <somerville32> Err...
[11:36] <somerville32> Are you sure G means that?
[11:36] <popey> ok, good, i was in two minds about whether to keep that site or not, and the fact that we can't easily embed in the wiki solves that :)
[11:36] <mdke> not 100%
[11:37] <mdke> popey: cool
[11:40] <somerville32> mdke: "The U and G codes are no cause for concern; those files cleanly absorbed changes from the repository."
[11:40] <trappist> G is merge.  you have a local change that was left intact while a change from the repo was merged to the file.
[11:41] <somerville32> The changes being my changes
[11:41] <trappist> like, your change wasn't in the same place as the other change
[11:41] <mdke> that's very odd, given that I simply applied his patch
[11:41] <somerville32> From the odcs
[11:41] <somerville32> *docs
[11:41] <somerville32> It looks like if you have local changes, you'll get G
[11:41] <somerville32> So, the changes were the same
[11:41] <trappist> somerville32: or C :)
[11:42] <somerville32> So it "merged" correctly
[11:42] <somerville32> So I got a G
[11:42] <trappist> G is good
[11:42] <trappist> C is bad
[11:42] <somerville32> Right
[11:42] <mdke> why did it need to merge at all?
[11:42] <somerville32> mdke: Because I was a revision behind
[11:42] <mdke> it should have been identical
[11:42] <somerville32> Right, it was
[11:43] <mdke> hmm. Ok
[11:43] <mdke> hi trappist!
[11:43] <trappist> mdke: if the local change was the same as the upstream change, I think that results in a merge - if it was slightly different you'd get a conflict (C) and if it wasn't there at all you'd get a U (update)
[11:43] <trappist> heya mdke :)
[11:45] <mdke> popey: are we done? thanks very much for this evening
[11:45] <somerville32> In svn status, I still have this: A      menus/C/printing.xml
[11:46] <mdke> oh crap
[11:46] <mdke> I need to add that too, even though you already added it in your patch
[11:46] <mdke> that's crazy, but still
[11:47] <mdke> done
[11:47] <somerville32> lol
[11:47] <somerville32> now I get errors :] 
[11:48] <popey> mdke: we are, just playing around with the site right now, will do the to-do list over the next 24 hours, thanks for all your "input" :) *much* appreciated
[11:48] <mdke> :)
[11:48] <somerville32> How do I remove a file from svn?
[11:48] <somerville32> svn del?
[11:48] <nixternal> somerville32: svn revert menus/C/printing.xml
[11:48] <nixternal> then 'svn update'
[11:48] <nixternal> w/o the quotes
[11:49] <somerville32> I already did svn del
[11:49] <somerville32> And it appears to have worked with the svn update
[11:50] <mdke> svn status shows?
[11:50] <somerville32> ?      feisty_update.diff
[11:50] <somerville32> !      .
[11:50] <somerville32> !      menus
[11:51] <somerville32> doh
[11:51] <mdke> use "rm" then "svn up"
[11:51] <somerville32> rm menus or what?
[11:52] <mdke> yes, rm -r menus
[11:55] <somerville32> Perfect.
[12:03] <popey> mdke: one last thing - I need a cron job creating on that box
[12:03] <popey> 05 * * * * root /usr/bin/wget -O - -q http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/cron.php
[12:04] <mdke> popey: ok
[12:04] <mdke> popey: I'm not used to seeing "root" in a line. Don't I just sudo crontab -e and then insert the necessary stuff?
[12:05] <popey> that was taken directly from /etc/crontab
[12:05] <popey> but yes
[12:05] <mdke> ok, I'll stick to what I'm used to, I guess
[12:06] <popey> sure
[12:06] <mdke> each hour?
[12:06] <popey> I will soon poke you if it tells me it last ran 13 hours ago (as it does now)
[12:06] <popey> yeah
[12:06] <popey> any number of mins past
[12:06] <mdke> alright, done
[12:06] <popey> cool, ta
[12:06] <popey> how many mins?
[12:06] <mdke> 05
[12:07] <popey> $ date
[12:07] <popey> Thu Jan  4 18:04:53 EST 2007
[12:07] <mdke> just in time :)
[12:07] <popey> \o/
[12:07] <mdke> worky?
[12:07] <popey> cron2007-01-04 23:05Cron run completedAnonymous
[12:07] <popey> \o/
[12:07] <popey> thanks
[12:08] <mdke> np
[12:08] <mdke> good night
[12:09] <popey> nn