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poningrublargh12:35
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poningruOk so I contacted broadcom regarding them not allowing bcm43xx firmware distribution01:07
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rjianweeeeeeeeeee01:14
rjianhello everyone01:14
rikaijenda, i was here when it was only 3-6 :P01:45
rikaiyou included. :D01:45
rikaiponingru, how'd it turn out?01:46
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rikaiponingru, how'd it turn out?02:15
poningruI havent done the interview yet02:15
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rjianhello somerville32 02:24
somerville32Hello rjian02:25
rjianwat next somerville32 ? hehehe02:26
somerville32:)02:26
somerville32UWN 27 is brand new02:26
somerville32Just start editing02:26
rjianok02:26
somerville32There are inline comments to help you02:26
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rjiansomerville32: can u check this site http://jucato.org/kde/ ? can we put it on UWN27 on what category?02:44
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somerville32Madpilot, ping03:06
Madpilothi somerville32 03:07
somerville32Burgundavia?03:07
Madpilotwas just going to call him03:07
somerville32:] 03:07
somerville32Tell him UWN 26 is in queue and UWN 27 is underway and should be ready for release on the 8th03:11
somerville32Tell him we deferred feisty changes in UWN 26 (unfortunately)03:12
somerville32But the new magic is already working for UWN 2703:12
Madpilotsomerville32, just called, he's not home from work yet, according to roommate03:27
somerville32kk03:27
tonyyarussoCorey has a roommate?03:28
Madpilotseveral, actually. large shared house, so stupidly cheap rent03:32
somerville32Could be... fun :] 03:32
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Madpilothis roommate seem like a generally sane bunch, thankfully03:49
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somerville32:] 03:54
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beunoanyone around?03:59
rjianhello beuno 04:00
rjianme here04:00
rjianhehe04:00
beunohey there04:00
rjianalso cody is here04:00
rjianhehe04:00
beunohehe, you ratted him out04:00
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rjianhahahaha04:00
beunoactually, Cody might be the right person to run this by04:01
beunoI have an idea04:01
beunothat is marketing related, but not exclusivly04:02
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beuno"Ubuntu Live"04:02
beunoa page where you can go and see all the activity currently going on in ubuntu04:02
beunolive04:02
somerville32How would we get the info?04:03
beunomailing lists, launchpad activity, forums, maybe IRC04:03
beunowell04:03
beunowe're going to need some help from every area04:03
rjianhehe04:03
somerville32How will the information being aggregated?04:03
somerville32*be04:03
beunowell04:04
beunoI'm thinking ajax frontend04:04
beunoand plugins for each type of information04:04
beunoit doesn't have to be terribly detailed04:04
beunojust somewhere you can actually see that Ubuntu is constantly moving04:04
beunoRSS will probably be a great way to start04:05
beunoand maybe talk to some launchpad devs04:05
beunoand see if they can provide some sort of API04:05
beunoso ppl can see translations flying through the screen04:05
beunobug reports04:05
beunobug fixes04:05
beunoI'm going to write a spec for it04:06
beunojust wanted some feedback04:06
beunomaybe it's interesting just to me, and not worth the effort04:06
beunoobviously the more we show, the more interesting04:07
beunoand maybe, just maybe04:08
beunobuild an API that can be used elsewhere04:08
beunoso when you login into the forums04:08
beunoyou would get a "44 bugs where fixed since your last visit"04:08
beuno;D04:08
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rikaibeuno, ahh, a feed push as bug reports come in or something that causes a(gaim-im-style) scroll effect up the little 'bug reports' box(jsut anexample)?04:09
beunorikai: yeap!04:09
beunosomething like: http://www.digg.com/spy04:09
beunobut with more stuff on screen04:09
beunonumbers counting up and down04:10
rikaiYeah, thats exactly where i got that idea from... i had just forgotten digg gave it to me. :D04:10
beunojenda?04:10
beunohe's probably sleeping at this point04:11
somerville32Do you guys want to gather some in the press stuff?04:12
somerville32Shall we move to Gobby?04:12
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beunosure, I got a while04:13
rjianme also ill login04:14
beunopassword was?04:14
somerville32ufl@ftw04:14
somerville32tonyyarusso, Want to help?04:14
tonyyarussosomerville32: sure04:14
somerville32Everyone to the bat cave! :D04:15
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rjiansomerville32: its still on 26?04:16
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somerville32elkbuntu, ping04:23
tonyyarussosomerville32: I'm not find this MIR process info - just a bunch of submitted inclusion Reports05:11
somerville32It is there :)05:11
tonyyarussooh, but where...05:15
tonyyarussowiki search was fruitless05:15
somerville32I'll get you the link05:16
somerville32https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements05:17
somerville32https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue05:17
tonyyarussowhy the devil would they put Ubuntu in front of that...05:18
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tonyyarussosomerville32: any recommendations for interviewees besides cjwatson?05:28
somerville32some random coredev?05:28
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Madpilothttp://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2007/01/the_dumbness_of.html06:00
MadpilotCreating Passionate Users is often worth reading06:02
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Rinchenanyone know cody's launchpad id?06:10
tonyyarussosearch for somerville?06:10
Rinchenyeah was looking for a lackey since I'm spec writing for him ;-)06:12
Rinchenfound his wiki entry06:15
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RinchenFor UWN folks:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-stats-enhancement06:39
Rinchenapproved by Cody for me to writeup yesterday06:39
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tonyyarussonixternal: ping07:05
nixternalyo yo07:06
tonyyarussonixternal: So I see you use Wordpress.  Wanna tell me about it?07:08
nixternalwhat do you want to know?07:08
nixternaland how did you see that so quick?07:09
nixternali must have finished that post right before the cron job ran07:09
nixternalhands down I think Wordpress is the best blogging solution there is. Very easy to configure and run, plus you can tweak it to your hearts desire07:10
tonyyarussonixternal: I'm omniscient.  Anyway, I'm looking to switch away from Xanga, so I'm taking in all kinds of information, including good plugins, themes, hosts, usage info, whatever.07:10
nixternalooh, Wordpress has so many plugins you would lose your mind looking at all of them07:10
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nixternalThemes:  http://themes.wordpress.net/07:11
nixternalPlugins: http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugins07:11
nixternaloh, i looked through a ton of them07:11
tonyyarussonixternal: Do you have recommendations though?07:11
nixternalbut one of my buds started up a blog with that theme and i liked it07:11
nixternali dont' use any plugins anymore. themes are of course personal flavor. plugins i have used were category images which were cool with the old blog07:12
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nixternaldoes all of your autopings to various sites (i.e., technorati, google, or other blog agreators)07:13
nixternalyou can goto wordpress.com and setup a blog to play with the themse stuff and the oeprations07:13
tonyyarussoYeah, wordpress.com won't let me use any plugins though, and I want to have options for restricting posts07:13
nixternalit handles all of the spam stuff07:13
nixternalrestricting what kind of posts?07:14
nixternalyou can set it up to where you have to approve comments07:14
nixternalAkismet does all of the spam blocking, and I have never had an issue with spam07:14
tonyyarussoLike, things I want just my friends to read, or particular groups of friends, which happens on occasion, but not a lot.07:14
nixternalahhh07:14
nixternalthat i don't know about really. you would have to go through and check all of the plugins available07:15
nixternali think you can create posts that only certain people can view, but once again i am not 100% positive07:15
tonyyarussoI've found some plugins that look promising, but I'd need my own host to use them.07:15
nixternalyes, or have a server that you have ssh access to07:16
nixternalyou can password protect a post07:16
nixternali see the option when i goto write a new post07:16
tonyyarussoWell, I have my own server box, but a) it's having hardware issues atm, and b) I don't know what connection I will have available for it in the summer07:16
tonyyarussopassword protect would require me to e-mail the password to everyone I wanted to read it each time, and at that point I might as well just e-mail the post07:17
nixternali just use Dreamhost. it cost me $22 for an entire year of hosting using a promotional code07:17
nixternalwell, use one password and let everyone know the password07:17
tonyyarussoHow'd you get the promo?07:18
nixternalmdke. but i can create one for you so you can get the same deal07:18
nixternalpay with a credit card and within an hour you will have your stuff up and running07:19
tonyyarussoThat might be cool.  I'm still looking at the list of hosting options.  How do you like them?07:19
tonyyarussoCan you get a domain with that too?07:19
nixternali haven't had any major issues. i had a small issue using paypal with them, but that got fixed quick07:19
nixternalthere was a quirk with my jabber account password using special characters that it didn't like07:19
nixternalbut they fixed that quick as well07:19
nixternalyes you get 1 domain with that, but can get additional domains and have a ton of subdomains available as well07:20
nixternal1-click installs is the cake07:20
tonyyarusso1-click installs?07:20
nixternalyou setup a domain, then goto the goodies section and select like Wordpress, WikiMedia, Joomla and more and it installs it automatically pretty much instantnly for you07:20
tonyyarussooo07:21
tonyyarussocool07:21
nixternalcreate as many mysql dbs as you need07:21
nixternali did a subdomain for blog. wiki. gallery. beta. and what not, but since deleted them07:21
nixternalplus you get full ssh access to your stuff07:21
nixternalsvn if you want to do it07:21
nixternalall kinds of crazy stuff07:21
tonyyarussoOther good-sounding hosts people have mentioned were bluehost and shieldhost - know anything about them?07:23
nixternalbluehost has been rated #1 by many07:23
nixternalnever heard of shieldhost07:23
nixternalat the same time with all of the good i have heard of dreamhost, there is also a lot of bad i have heard as well, but haven't ran into anyone yet around here with issues07:23
nixternalbut that goes with any host07:24
tonyyarussowhat sorts of bad?07:24
nixternalif 1 person has an issue, it doesn't take much for them to become poisonous effecting many others07:24
tonyyarusso(Just to get an idea)07:24
nixternalwww.dreamhost-sucks.com07:24
tonyyarussoAny idea why bluehost is rated above it?07:24
tonyyarussoheh07:24
nixternalnone at all, but with any host there is always a possibility of an issue07:25
tonyyarussoAnd this promo - is it a one-year deal and after that you pay the $96, or is it long-term?07:25
nixternalone-year deal07:25
nixternalhere is the thing though07:25
nixternalyou can create promos and hand them out, and if you hand out enough, only a few, it will eventually make your next year free07:26
nixternalthere are a bunch of different promos you can create07:26
nixternalyou can set it up to where you get like 10% and up of what a person who uses your promo spends with dreamhost07:26
nixternaland it trickles down, so what they promote, you will get a kickback from that as well07:26
tonyyarussointeresting07:26
tonyyarussodreamhost-sucks said it used to get an F rating from the BBB, and was upgraded to a C - now it's at a B.07:27
nixternalbut like i tell everyone, research first, try and talk to as many people about their host and what not07:27
nixternalya, it is a B and has been for a while. *-sucks.com sites are usually poisonous sites that can never prove their issues07:28
nixternali have already tried the ubuntu-sucks ones, they all point to ubuntu.com :)07:28
tonyyarussoha07:28
nixternalheh, back when i worked at at&t, me and another guy started att-sucks.com, and hosted it at at&t07:29
nixternalhehe07:29
elkbuntulol07:29
crimsunrichs-sound-codec-sucks.com ? nice.07:30
nixternalhahaha07:30
nixternalwth quit following me :)07:30
crimsunother way 'round, dude07:30
nixternalshh07:30
nixternaldon't let everyone know i am stalking07:30
crimsunerr, this isn't a query window!07:31
nixternallol07:31
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: did I ask already who your host is?07:33
elkbuntutonyyarusso, maybe. aussie company you're unlikely to have heard of07:33
tonyyarussoah07:33
tonyyarussonixternal: Dreamhost apparently increases your storage and bandwidth the longer you stay with them?07:45
nixternalyes07:47
nixternalweekly07:47
tonyyarussonice07:47
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rjianhmmm07:56
jendarikai: indeed, you're a faithful ;)07:56
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | UWN 26 released, UWN 27 in progress for Jan 8th | use backup gobby server | CodySomerville (somerville32) is the new Co-Chief Editor for UWN
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elkbuntujenda, ping.. wanting linkage to the source file for the posters plxkthx01:14
elkbuntus/plxkthx/plzkthx/01:14
jendahehe :)01:14
jendadoc.ubuntu.com/~marketing and browse from there.01:14
elkbuntudanke01:14
jendaDIY Marketing/Posters, Batch 101:14
jendano problem.01:14
jendaWhatchabout to do withum?01:15
elkbuntuhopefully have a heap printed off a4 size within the next fortnight for distribution at Linux.Conf.au01:15
jendanice :)01:16
jendaAny chance you'd be interested in A2 size? :)01:16
=== jenda still hasn't found enough interest for that to be possible.
jendaAnd - I still haven't found anything to spend the extra $200 on.01:16
juliuxjenda, i will take 10 for the expos in germany01:16
jendaI'm thinking flyers...01:16
jendajuliux: great :)01:17
xipietotecjenda: glossy prints01:17
elkbuntujenda, only if you can assure they'd get to me in the next 9 days01:17
juliuxjenda, what kind of flyers?01:17
jendathat makes for about 50-100 altogether so far01:17
jendaelkbuntu: more like 9 months :)01:17
elkbuntujenda, thought so01:17
elkbuntui still want ubuntu inch badges/buttons01:17
elkbuntui didnt have the fundage to do any :(01:18
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jendajuliux: dunno, something to attach to CDs for example, or to hand out on the street... or put a stack of to the local HW vendor01:18
jendaelkbuntu: I'll look into that.01:18
elkbuntuyay!01:18
juliuxjenda, you can get flyers from canonical i think01:18
juliuxjenda, what every you produce we will try to sell it in germany on the expos01:18
jendajuliux: If I spoke any german, I'd consider coming myself :)01:19
juliuxjenda, if you speak english you can come;)01:19
juliuxjenda, there are not only german speaking people on the expos01:20
juliuxjenda, the next one is in saxony;)01:20
jendaI'll think about it ;)01:20
jendammm, close...01:20
jendaI can't come before April, though.01:20
juliuxin think in may or june is the biggest one in berlin01:21
jendajuliux: seems Canonical doesn't have flyers available...01:21
juliuxjenda, i have here ubuntu flyers from canonical01:21
juliuxin english01:22
jendabut you had to print them yourself, right?01:22
juliuxno01:22
juliuxi get them in the conference pack 01:22
juliuxthey are send out in southafrica01:22
juliuxhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences01:23
juliuxWe will supply Conference Packs to LoCoTeams that are manning an Ubuntu booth. A conference pack contains 4 t-shirts, 200 Ubuntu leaflets and 200 Ubuntu stickers. Conference Pack approval is at Canonical's discretion, and any left over materials should be shared with Loco Team members for other events. To request a pack, please email the following information to [MAILTO]  info@shipit.ubuntu.com at least 4 weeks prior to the event:01:23
jendaI see.01:23
juliuxi get 3 conferenc packs last year01:24
jendaneat.01:26
jendaWe didn't get much of a chance to present at conferences yet.01:26
jendaThey are usually just 'lectures' here, no booths.01:27
juliuxask marilize if you can get some flyer or/and stickers01:27
juliuxor if you want the fast way, ask malcom if he can ask marilize;)01:27
juliuxhh malcolm01:29
jendahehe01:31
jendaI'll look into it - I don't particularly need flyers myself.01:32
juliuxMenZa, ping01:44
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willvdljuliux, we are trying to author and print something quickly for BETT05:49
willvdlwe don't currentl have edubuntu flyers but cbx33 has done lots of ESA work already05:49
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jason_ukfsnCan anyone here point me to guidelines for refering to Ubuntu in press releases?05:54
jendahmm05:55
jendaDo we have anything of the sort05:55
jenda?05:55
somerville32jenda: We should start to get these things :)05:56
jendaindeed...05:56
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juliuxMenZa, ping06:18
juliuxjenda,  i will send you your shirt tommorrow06:18
jendagreatzorz06:18
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somerville32jenda: pang07:20
jendashwong?07:21
somerville32Did you see the thread on the ml about the guy who bought ad space in his local newspaper?07:21
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jendaYes, something swivelled by through my monitor...07:24
somerville32:D07:25
somerville32It sounds like an awesome opportunity to promote Ubuntu07:25
jendaIt does indeed :)07:26
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juliuxsomerville32, in germany was the idea to make something like the ad for firefox;)07:43
juliuxjenda, size l for the polo is right?07:44
jendajuliux: I'm M, MenZa is L07:45
juliuxok07:45
juliuxi will send it out tomorrow07:46
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jendajuliux: thx :)07:51
MenZa:o08:02
MenZajenda: I'm probably sending the stickers tomorrow too, if I can find the time08:03
jendacool :)08:03
MenZaBeen at work the past couple of days08:03
MenZaEven found an Ubuntu user at the store yesterday :D08:04
MenZaIt was fun to see my boss' expression when he said that his disk mounted perfectly in Ubuntu, but didn't show up in Windows08:04
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MenZaI started working at a computer store.08:05
MenZaBut I still get moderately cheap prints08:05
jendahehe :)08:05
jendanice :)08:06
MenZayep08:06
MenZapondering the 'Works with Ubuntu' stickers tbh08:06
MenZa:D08:06
MenZathat, however, would require me to bring the flaptop to work and test everything in the store08:06
MenZalol08:06
jendahehe, go for it ;)08:09
juliuxMenZa, did you have a picture of the stickers?08:09
MenZajuliux: I have several08:10
MenZasecs08:10
MenZahttp://flickr.com/photos/menza/190249114/08:12
MenZahttp://flickr.com/photos/menza/190242006/08:12
juliuxnice08:13
juliuxwhat did they cost?08:14
MenZazilch.08:14
MenZaUsed to work for a printer.08:14
juliux?08:15
MenZaI used to work for a printshop08:16
MenZaprinted them mysel08:16
MenZa++f08:17
juliuxah08:17
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juliuxjenda, is there also a kubuntu weekly newsletter?08:39
jendajuliux: nope08:40
somerville32No, and no need for it :)08:40
jendajuliux: it's a community based project08:40
jendaAnd we share communities.08:40
juliuxi found this on here http://www.kubuntu-de.net/kwn/25.html08:40
juliuxso i wondering why they are calling it kubuntu weekly newsletter08:41
somerville32It is just the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter translated and rebranded08:42
juliuxand without the gnome and xfce part in the feisty changes;)08:42
somerville32meh08:43
somerville32I don't appreciate that but w/e08:43
juliuxsomerville32, i was just wondering08:43
somerville32Right.08:43
somerville32I'm just saying that we put a _lot_ of work into UWN08:44
jendaI don't appreciate that either.08:44
somerville32rebranding... thats ok08:44
somerville32translating... thats ok08:44
jendaLump, don't split, and this is just not very productive.08:44
somerville32but ripping stuff out is like... a slap in the f ace08:44
somerville32But hey08:44
juliuxsomerville32, that is why i ask08:44
somerville32Maybe they just don't want to translate the extra stuff?08:45
juliuxwhy they translate the desktop and server stuff but not gnome and xfce ?08:45
juliuxserver and desktop is more08:46
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jendaIt's not right.08:47
jendaThey shouldn't deny their affiliation with Ubuntu in that way, especially when the work isn't entirely theirs.08:47
juliuxjenda, said it to riddell or jono;)08:47
jendameh08:48
jendaI'm not looking for an argument.08:48
beunothey should also provide a link to the translation in the wiki if they took the time to translate it08:51
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juliuxjenda, from May 30th to June 2nd is the biggest linuxday of europe in berlin;908:54
jendaneat08:54
jenda:)08:54
juliuxjenda, i will organise a ubuntu and edubuntu booth at the linuxday;)08:58
jendanice ;)08:58
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juliuxhi tonyyarusso 09:03
tonyyarussohi juliux 09:03
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WaterSevenUbHey. If a team wants to start translating the UWN, what steps should it follow? Do you freeze the UWN on the release day? Do you usually use Gobby? How do we get access to the server? How do you easily change wiki style to the email format easily readable in most of the clients (eg. Pine)?09:38
jendaWaterSevenUb: I'd recommend waiting for each release, and translating it as soon as it's out.09:39
jendaI'm not sure if the gobby server is currently available, but when it is, you can use it too.09:40
jendathe password is always ufl@ftw09:40
tonyyarussojenda: (backup - see topic ;)  )09:40
jendaWaterSevenUb: err, I mean, see topic for backup server ;)09:40
tonyyarussoI think the Spanish team works on it as we go and releases very shortly afterwards09:40
jendaWaterSevenUb: be sure to link to your main UWN page from the english UWN page.09:40
beunoWaterSevenUb: we usually wait for it to be out and create a /ES (for spanish) in the wiki09:45
beunosometimes we get a head start and translate while it's been cooked up, but that just taked up more time later pasting everything together09:46
WaterSevenUbThank you all.09:47
beunoweolcome09:47
WaterSevenUbbeuno, yeah... I guess then it's hard to find the diffs.09:47
beunowelcome09:47
somerville32:)09:51
WaterSevenUbCan we edit (very very carefully...typing one letter/minute:-) ) the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter and add the Translations section when they are ready?09:53
WaterSevenUbor should we ask you in here?09:53
tonyyarussoHave somerville32 mess with that page09:53
WaterSevenUbok:)09:54
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somerville32WaterSevenUb, What would you like to change?09:55
WaterSevenUbsomerville32, just include a line like Translations: ([:UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue26/PT:Portuguese] )09:56
WaterSevenUbwhen it's ready of course:)09:56
WaterSevenUbnot now.09:56
somerville32Sure, you can add that yourself if you'd like09:57
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Paradox924XHey, anyone here thats not afk?10:06
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