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[08:11] <DarthLappy> ethos: I'm assuming you're talking about shares from Windows?
[08:12] <ethos> Yes.
[08:13] <DarthLappy> !samba | ethos
[08:13] <ubotu> ethos: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:14] <ethos> yeah i know.  I can use smbclient //server/share -D username to connect to a terminal FTP-like environment.  I'm looking for a GUI
[08:15] <DarthLappy> Well you could mount it and browse it.
[08:16] <DarthLappy> I don't really need to browse my shares so I don't know of any clients.
[08:34] <Tajmox> !theme
[08:34] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:35] <Tajmox> hmm where do i put my cursor packages?
[08:35] <Tajmox> xubuntu doesnt have the "Install Theme" button
[08:47] <TheSheep> Tajmox: unpack the themes to your ~/.themes directory
[08:48] <Tajmox> oh thanks
[08:48] <Tajmox> i was unpacking to /usr/share/themes
[08:55] <ethos> So I can browse my shares with smbclient, bit when I "sudo mount -t smbfs /dev/drive //SERVER/D/"  I get "mount point does not exist"
[08:55] <ethos> bit=but
[08:56] <ethos> names are spelled right because i always copy/paste
[09:00] <ethos> So I can browse my shares with smbclient, bit when I "sudo mount -t smbfs /dev/drive //SERVER/D/"  I get "mount point does not exist"
[09:01] <ShoeUnited> you'll have to create the mount point in fstab and mtab
[09:01] <Commander-Crowe> ShoeUnited, I have lots of times
[09:02] <ethos> what folder are those under?  mnt?
[09:02] <DarthLappy> ethos: That doesn't look right....
[09:03] <DarthLappy> ethos: Shouldn't it be //SERVER/D/ /media/mountpoint ?
[09:03] <ShoeUnited> !smb
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <ShoeUnited> !smbfs
[09:04] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 900 kB
[09:05] <ethos> If I switch it it just says the other one doesn't exist.
[09:05] <ShoeUnited> Personally, I just used synaptic, there's a bunch of proggies that will integrate smbfs into your normal window manager.
[09:05] <DarthLappy> ethos: You have to create the mountpoint.
[09:06] <ethos> is there a command for that or is it in a .conf file?
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> $ sudo mkdir /mnt/*what you called the mount point in your fstab & mtab files*
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> !fstab
[09:08] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> !mtab
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> might be mispelling that one.
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> Kinda sick lol
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> >.>
[09:08] <ethos> thx
[09:08] <DarthLappy> You don't really need to worry about mtab.
[09:09] <ShoeUnited> DarthLappy is probably right.  I kinda try to cover all major bases. lol ^_^
[09:09] <ShoeUnited> I can't remember if it's pstab or ptab that lets it act like a removable drive. :x
[09:11] <ShoeUnited> Just do a little reading through google and it's all pretty straight forward.
[09:12] <ShoeUnited> Or do like I did so many years ago, lol, trial and error until you can boil things with your mind, then look it up. hehe ^_^
[09:12] <ethos> I like the man pages.  Searching can come back with alot of stuff to sort through.
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You'll need an empty directory somewhere to mount it to.  A conventional place is in /mnt.
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You won't have to touch /etc/fstab unless you don't want to have to run that command every time.
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You won't have to touch /etc/mtab.
[09:16] <ethos> after i edit fstab do i reboot or just restart x server?
[09:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Neither.
[09:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a configuration file that gets read as necessary.
[09:18] <ethos> is there a way to just list the contents of the file in terminal without opening nano so i can verify my spellings?
[09:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'cat'
[09:18] <ShoeUnited> ty PuMpErNiCkLe for cleaning up what I said hehe ^_^
[09:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[09:19] <ShoeUnited> I'm a bit hap-hazard.  >.>
[09:20] <ShoeUnited> !install
[09:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:31] <ethos> So, for the first option in fstab should I put //server/share or is there a different format?
[09:32] <ethos> I also tried server:share
[09:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's //server/share.
[09:37] <ethos> "... wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on..."
[09:37] <ethos> dmesg | tail gives me this "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[09:39] <ethos> The line in my fstab is "//SERVER/SHARE        /media/drived   smbfs   defaults        0       0"
[09:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You have smbfs installed, right?
[09:41] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[10:02] <kubuntian> hello
[10:02] <kubuntian> somebody can help me a second? i would like to use thunar in KDE
[10:03] <kubuntian> i installed it, but differently from xfce where it looked pretty, here it doesn't have any icon for files!
[10:03] <kubuntian> all the icons for files/folders are the same
[10:03] <kubuntian> what do i have to do?
[10:05] <ethos> of course, or i wouldnt be able to browse in smbclient
[10:06] <ethos> meh, xubuntu is just too minimal for me i guess.
[10:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Smbclient doesn't require smbfs.
[10:46] <Snakesonatrain> Can someone explain to me how to make my computer get an address from my cable modem?
[12:08] <merethan> hi all
[12:11] <merethan> I am trying to install xubuntu on a machine with 128MB RAM and a 350Mhz. PII. Should be enough I think. But the install is wicked slow. (not the copying but the program) for example: scrolling trough the locale settings (city list) took me 30 mins to get 10 places up the list. (unforunate for me, the list starts at L and I need to be at A)
[12:12] <TheSheep> merethan: use the alternate cd
[12:12] <TheSheep> merethan: the live cd installer needs lots of memory
[12:12] <merethan> for example the LFS LiveCD runs quite smooth. And xubuntu was made for low end.
[12:12] <merethan> wasn't it?
[12:12] <TheSheep> merethan: I thnk it would hang half way through if you have less than 192MB anyways
[12:12] <merethan> that's not really low-end
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: the graphical installer is taken from ubuntu
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: use the alternate cd with the text-based installer
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: it's fast
[12:13] <merethan> ok
[12:13] <merethan> ~650MB of ISO downloading wasted :P
[12:13] <merethan> luckily I used a rewritable
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: sorry to hear that :(
[12:14] <TheSheep> merethan: with a little bit of luck, in the next release the text-based installer will be included on the live cd too
[12:15] <TheSheep> merethan: but that's not so simple for some reason
[12:17] <merethan> text installer sounds like "does not take up so much space on a 650MB CD"
[12:18] <merethan> what makes it not simple then?
[12:18] <TheSheep> merethan: space is not the concern, I think. I don't know the details.
[12:18] <TheSheep> merethan: I'm just an user too
[12:18] <merethan> ah
[12:19] <merethan> well, at least I am now downloading the alternate
[12:20] <TheSheep> merethan: you can also just move the hdd to a faster computer, do the install and move it back
[12:20] <merethan> why does the about button is xfce, but INIT sais "starting gnome" at cd boot?
[12:21] <merethan> (I turned of the quiet mode)
[12:21] <merethan> (and the bootlogo as well :) )
[12:21] <TheSheep> merethan: because xubuntu too uses gdm for the login screen -- the same program as gnome
[12:22] <merethan> ah
[12:22] <TheSheep> merethan: the text comes from the gdm -- it's not exactly accurate, it doesn't start gnome, gnome (or xfce in xubuntu) is started after you log in
[12:22] <merethan> wich is automated
[12:22] <TheSheep> on livecd -- ye
[12:22] <TheSheep> ss
[12:23] <merethan> I don't like graphical login's
[12:23] <TheSheep> merethan: you can disable it
[12:23] <merethan> I prefer everything text, exept when I type startx
[12:23] <merethan> I know
[12:24] <TheSheep> text-only login screen has some accessibility problems
[12:24] <merethan> If your eye's are bad, maybe
[12:25] <merethan> y0w jelle, van welke provider is cambrium?
[12:26] <TuxCrafter> www.cambrium.nl
[12:26] <TuxCrafter> sad website for a very big provider
[12:26] <TuxCrafter> :-D
[12:27] <merethan> yup
[12:27] <merethan> frames
[12:27] <merethan> I am on a console now, frames can not be rendered in text browsers
[12:27] <TuxCrafter> was looking around what kind of suport is given here
[12:28] <TuxCrafter> freenode is pretty big
[12:28] <TuxCrafter> do you do special things with linux
[12:29] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: what kind of special things?
[12:29] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: this channel is generally for problems with the xubuntu linux distribution
[12:29] <TuxCrafter> system integrator or maintainer
[12:29] <TuxCrafter> jups i know
[12:30] <TuxCrafter> but merethan said he was working only on a console
[12:30] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: well, I'm a sysop for student laboratories at a university
[12:30] <TuxCrafter> nice
[12:31] <merethan> TuxCrafter, console means text only. No mouse, no windows.
[12:31] <TuxCrafter> I saw some logs and you TheSheep are very active on irc
[12:31] <TheSheep> merethan: no gpm?
[12:31] <merethan> nope
[12:31] <merethan> I compiled everything myself
[12:31] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: yes, no RealLife ;)
[12:32] <TuxCrafter> merethan: what is your reson for compiling everything yourself
[12:33] <merethan> Primary reason to do it was to learn how a Linux system works on the inside, second reason was speed and hard drive space.
[12:34] <TuxCrafter> business or personal resons
[12:34] <merethan> When you select "minimal" on Fedora install, you get ~500MB or crap.
[12:34] <merethan> No this is all private
[12:34] <merethan> personal experiments
[12:35] <merethan> when you need something for buisiness you better get something like Red Hat or CentOS
[12:35] <merethan> These distributions are set up by proffesionals
[12:36] <TheSheep> merethan: I've heard suse is nice for corporate use
[12:36] <TuxCrafter> jay I still want to do a experiment to see if I could get a complete working stations on a 4GB flash drive
[12:36] <merethan> But SuSE is now Novell
[12:36] <TheSheep> merethan: good group management tools
[12:36] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: you can get a complete working station with X and stuff on a 12MB cellphone
[12:37] <merethan> SuSE was quite nice, but when Novell took the steering wheel they messed it up quite good
[12:37] <TuxCrafter> not with openoffice and all the tools I use :-D
[12:37] <merethan> OpenOffice takes a lot or RAM
[12:37] <TuxCrafter> My currunt working root is 7 GB
[12:37] <merethan> or=of
[12:37] <TuxCrafter> Ram is not a issue
[12:37] <TheSheep> mine 3GB
[12:38] <merethan> RAM is an issue when your on a cell phone
[12:38] <TuxCrafter> xubuntu clean is 3 GB
[12:38] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: a little less, I think
[12:38] <merethan> I have Linux going on a Nintendo DS, wich has 4MB RAM
[12:39] <TuxCrafter> I now I do also embbeded linux
[12:39] <TheSheep> merethan: well, I had ELKS running on my 80088 with 512kB ram
[12:39] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: ever tried OpenEmbedded?
[12:40] <TuxCrafter> did some small text with it
[12:40] <TuxCrafter> but mostly only used linux on arm
[12:41] <merethan> ever heard about Prex?
[12:41] <TuxCrafter> nope
[12:41] <TheSheep> no
[12:41] <merethan> Some funky POSSIX real time operating system for really small stuff
[12:41] <TuxCrafter> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Other/Prex-2716.shtml
[12:42] <TuxCrafter> woeps wrong link
[12:42] <TuxCrafter> http://prex.sourceforge.net/
[12:42] <merethan> I've seen Prex on a Gameboy Advance
[12:42] <merethan> quite funky
[12:43] <merethan> not really useful, but fun to try. Some Austrailian punk has made a webserver of his GBA.
[12:44] <merethan> Not really useful either seen the speed it had, but fun to try :P
[12:44] <TuxCrafter> thats the strengt and weakness of linux
[12:44] <TheSheep> merethan: how did he connect it to the network?
[12:44] <merethan> dunno
[12:44] <TuxCrafter> to much useless projects
[12:44] <merethan> most likely a serial line
[12:45] <merethan> Yje GBA slot you put games in is 16Bits wide
[12:45] <merethan> *The
[12:45] <merethan> enough room to run some OS and put a serial line on
[12:45] <merethan> I don't know the details
[12:46] <TheSheep> you'd need to implement a tcp stack by yourself :/
[12:46] <merethan> Prex has one
[12:46] <TuxCrafter> I have to go people have to make a text document
[12:46] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[12:46] <merethan> Or they have planned it
[12:46] <merethan> not sure
[12:47] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: surprisingly, I find myself writing most of my text documents in Zim
[12:47] <merethan> I believe it already had one, but check out the site to be sure
[12:47] <TuxCrafter> I use mousepad :-D
[12:47] <TuxCrafter> and openoffice and latex
[12:47] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: Zim has some basic formatting, like headings and lists
[12:47] <merethan> Vim :)
[12:47] <TheSheep> merethan: no, Zim, desktop wiki, something like tomboy
[12:48] <merethan> WTF is tomboy? :P
[12:48] <TuxCrafter>  sudo apt-get install zim
[12:48] <merethan> smartass, I have no distro, so I have no apt ;)
[12:48] <TheSheep> merethan: http://zoidberg.student.utwente.nl/zim/
[12:48] <TuxCrafter> wieard
[12:49] <TuxCrafter> wierd
[12:49] <TuxCrafter> it is asking for repos
[12:49] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: I think it's in asher256 repo
[12:49] <TuxCrafter> no i installed it
[12:50] <TuxCrafter> and the program want a location give
[12:50] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: ah, it asks for a directory to keep the text files in
[12:51] <TuxCrafter> it does not ave text indent
[12:51] <TuxCrafter> with ctrl shift
[12:51] <TheSheep> use tab
[12:51] <TuxCrafter> tap i mean
[12:52] <TheSheep> ?
[12:52] <TuxCrafter> strange tool
[12:52] <TuxCrafter> tap indent forward and backward
[12:53] <TuxCrafter> select text and tap will go forward
[12:53] <TuxCrafter> select text and shift tab (or crtl tab )will go backward
[12:54] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: it has many funny and smart features
[12:54] <merethan> sc4tterbrain's exit message is a bit weird
[12:54] <TuxCrafter> think they had better made a plugin for mousepad or gedit
[12:54] <TheSheep> merethan: "Latvia"?
[12:55] <merethan> I have a few weird characters, no word
[12:55] <TuxCrafter> me to
[12:55] <TheSheep> merethan: it's in katagana
[12:55] <TuxCrafter> other language
[12:55] <TheSheep> merethan: just isntall japanese fonts
[12:55] <merethan> lol
[12:56] <merethan> I'm a bit drugged by painkillers now. the first moment I tought I was getting nuts :P
[12:56] <TheSheep> merethan: that's part of that 500MB of "cruft" you get with distros
[12:57] <TheSheep> merethan: support for more than your own language
[12:57] <merethan> lots and lots and lots of libs you will most likely never use
[12:57] <merethan> and lost and lost more programs you will never touch
[12:57] <merethan> BTW, I can't read japanese anyway
[12:57] <TheSheep> merethan: sure, but you never know in advance which ones you will need
[12:58] <merethan> If I need one I will download and compile it
[12:58] <TheSheep> merethan: me neither, google translate ftw
[12:58] <TuxCrafter> I really have to go bye speak you people next time
[12:58] <TheSheep> merethan: there is a certain "just works" quality, and disk space is cheap anyways
[12:59] <merethan> I like to know what happens
[12:59] <merethan> So I do petty much everyhting myself
[12:59] <TheSheep> merethan: sure, I liketo play with my system too, just not when I have something urgent to do
[01:00] <merethan> When I boned my system I have plently of others I can use
[01:00] <TheSheep> merethan: it's a *work*station
[01:00] <merethan> Mine is a bonestation :P
[01:00] <merethan> My dad has a WinXP with OpenOffice etc. In the living room we have one. Plently of backup in case I mess things up
[01:01] <TuxCrafter> one real question
[01:01] <merethan> yes..?
[01:01] <TuxCrafter> i want to create a email for thunderbird form the commandline
[01:01] <TuxCrafter> how do i do this
[01:01] <fulldisclosure> Hi.
[01:01] <fulldisclosure> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/xubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[01:01] <fulldisclosure> Where can I download this too?
[01:02] <fulldisclosure> Here is very slow.
[01:02] <merethan> I hit 215kbps ATM
[01:02] <TheSheep> fulldisclosure: isn't there a list of mirrors?
[01:02] <fulldisclosure> TheSheep, Dunno, but wait, maybe the connection, no the link.
[01:02] <fulldisclosure> My connection, sorry.
[01:02] <TuxCrafter> mere specific I want to create a sripts that sends makes a new mail voor thunderibird with selected files as attachements
[01:03] <merethan> I dunno
[01:03] <merethan> If I did know I would have told you already
[01:03] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: why thunderbird?
[01:03] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: use sendmail instead
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> or a general mail command
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> that the default mail manager understands
[01:04] <merethan> make a looping script :P
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> ?
[01:04] <merethan> spamkabouter!
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> it does not need to send
[01:04] <merethan> eh, ah
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> only create the mail with attachement
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> like a mailto:
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> for commandline
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> or something
[01:05] <TheSheep> Mail is an intelligent mail processing system, which has a command syntax reminiscent of ed(1) with lines replaced by messages.
[01:05] <merethan> -> man mail
[01:05] <merethan> or try the #mozilla or #thunderbird
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> dont have that installed
[01:06] <TuxCrafter> man mozilla-thunderbird has only a profile option already lookt at that
[01:07] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: if you're writing a script in perl or python, they have their own mail functions
[01:07] <TuxCrafter> bash
[01:07] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: then install mail or sendmail
[01:08] <TuxCrafter> I want to be ablle to select some files with thunar and execute a scripts that make a new message with the selected files as atachments
[01:08] <TuxCrafter> and with default tools
[01:09] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: best ask on #thunderbird
[01:09] <TuxCrafter> oke i will
[01:09] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: but I recall there was a similar plugin for Thunar somewhere
[01:09] <merethan> OMG I hate my dentist :P
[01:09] <TheSheep> merethan: kaszanka? :D
[01:10] <merethan> Some teeth had to be removed
[01:10] <TuxCrafter> I am next in 6 days :-P
[01:10] <TuxCrafter> my new dentist is brutal
[01:10] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: you should have brushed :P
[01:10] <TuxCrafter> it not that
[01:10] <merethan> Hoe zeg je verstandskiezen in her Engels?
[01:11] <merethan> her=het
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> He want me to flus more
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> I new that word
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> em
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> blabal thooth
[01:11] <merethan> maybe
[01:12] <merethan> the most rear teeth
[01:12] <TheSheep> merethan: I have the same!
[01:12] <TheSheep> http://wittetanden.nl/behandelingen/verstandskies/verstandskies/verstandskies13656_3.gif
[01:12] <TheSheep> merethan: I'm putting off the operation since 3 years now
[01:13] <merethan> Mine have been trashed 2 day's ago
[01:13] <TuxCrafter> A picture say more than thousens of words
[01:13] <TuxCrafter> hmm my grammar correction does not work anymore
[01:13] <merethan> I cannot see pictures right now, I am on console
[01:14] <TheSheep> merethan: they are "wisdom teeth" in Polish...
[01:14] <TuxCrafter> he is the sheep ook nederlands?>
[01:14] <merethan> blijkt er op
[01:14] <TuxCrafter> :-D
[01:14] <TuxCrafter> beetje moeilijk te doen hier
[01:15] <TheSheep> merethan: aview
[01:15] <merethan> Nintendo DS
[01:15] <merethan> one sec
[01:15] <TuxCrafter> Wisdom teeth
[01:17] <TuxCrafter> there is only one person in #thunderbird
[01:19] <merethan> Sheep, my left side was removed yesterday (both), these were in a quite good state. My right side is going to be horrible, seen the fact that they are not positioned vertical, but almost horizontal straight backwards.
[01:20] <merethan> That is going to be a mess then they get gemoved
[01:22] <merethan> gemoved = removed
[01:34] <PxM> hi
[01:35] <TheSheep> hi PxM
[01:58] <TuxCrafter> The Sheep: fount the command
[01:58] <TuxCrafter> mozilla-thunderbird --compose "to=foo@nowhere.net,subject=coolpage,attachment=file:///home/jelle/logfile.txt,body=check"
[01:58] <TheSheep> kewl
[01:59] <TuxCrafter> http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html#Syntax_Rules
[01:59] <TuxCrafter> the man paga of linux is not complete !
[02:18] <merethan> Why are those god damn ISO's alway's over 650MB
[02:19] <merethan> I have no 700MB rewritables
[02:54] <merethan> at last. the text mode install works quite nice so far
[02:55] <merethan> unfortunate it costs me a CD, as I have no 700MB rewritables. Linux distro's get outdated very fast, so it is petty much wasted.
[02:56] <DarthLappy> CDs are pretty cheap and easy to get though.
[02:56] <merethan> luckily, yes
[02:56] <merethan> but it is still a waste
[02:56] <DarthLappy> It's Linux! Not a waste.
[02:57] <merethan> I still have Fedora 3 on CD out here, but it is outdated and petty much useless now.
[02:57] <DarthLappy> Well you could set up a PXE booty thing if you really don't want to "waste" CDs :)
[02:57] <merethan> PxE?
[02:57] <DarthLappy> Mhm.
[02:57] <merethan> is that a network server or something?
[02:58] <DarthLappy> It's network booting.
[02:58] <DarthLappy> I don't know how it actually works, but it exists.
[02:58] <merethan> I have some very old network cards lying around out here who do support it
[02:59] <merethan> But those cheap ass things you buy these day's don't
[02:59] <merethan> some have a "slot" for a BIOS chip
[03:00] <merethan> Why don't we have open source BIOSes? If we did we could combine Linux kernel and the BIOS into one.
[03:01] <merethan> Like the xbox game console has
[03:01] <DarthLappy> Ooh.
[03:01] <merethan> (xbox game console has a Win2000 kernel)
[03:01] <merethan> (but the idea is the same)
[03:02] <DarthLappy> That's a pretty cool idea.
[03:04] <merethan> This is not new. Actually, petty much any computing device works like this. A chip holds an image, wich gets loaded when the power switches on. Most computers (like Mp3 players) have the OS and BIOS all the same thing. When IBM designed the PC they made a BIOS wich only did initialized the hardware, and then loaded an image from the Hard Drive. This way, everybody could have his own OS.
[03:05] <merethan> Downside is, the HD needs to spin-up before it can get to work, wich takes time.
[03:07] <merethan> That's why the xbox game console does not have to wait before the HD is at speed. On xbox, the kernel and the BIOS is all the same thing, that's why you see that funky flubber animation emediatly when you turn it on. At the same time all hardware is being checked and started. Once the flubber animation is done playing all hardware, including the HD, is ready to go.
[03:08] <DarthLappy> Xboxen are cool.
[03:08] <DarthLappy> h4xx0r MS for the BIOS leetness.
[03:09] <merethan> If we had desided to do all software, including BIOSes, open source, we could have this on our PC's too. But because of popetairy BIOSes (Phoenix and Ami) we cannot do this. Apple ever made an attempt of using open BIOSes but it never fcame far.
[03:10] <merethan> unfortunate for us
[03:12] <DarthLappy> I should think it'd be pretty difficult to do, which is why the market is relatively small.
[03:13] <merethan> Petty much every computer manufactor only releases an popetairy BIOS, either a Ami or Phoenix, modified for their hardware boards. Why is there no one shipping an open BIOS/firmware?
[03:13] <merethan> I don't think the market is small
[03:14] <merethan> The market is just as big as the open software market
[03:14] <merethan> BIOS is just software
[03:16] <DarthLappy> I haven't seen all that many BIOSes.
[03:17] <merethan> Every BIOS is different
[03:17] <DarthLappy> Yes.
[03:17] <merethan> the base comes from Ami or Phoenix, but for every mainboard it needs to be customized.
[03:18] <DarthLappy> Meh, shows what I know :D
[03:19] <merethan> My old Abit-BE6 board has an 66MB IDE chip, and it's firmware is loaded from the BIOS chip. You won't find something weird like that in Ami's or the Phoenix store :P
[03:20] <merethan> oh BTW, those "compaq" BIOSes are just rebranded Phoenix BIOSes.
[03:35] <merethan> Google is my best friend
[03:36] <merethan> Maybe I should go experiment with my old Pentium boards by loading Linux kernels into the BIOS chip or something
[03:36] <merethan> That would be fun
[03:37] <DarthLappy> :)
[03:37] <merethan> Most functions a BIOS does these day's are made for things like DOS, wich has not really any own detection mechanisms. Linux on the other hand does everything by itself, and petty much does not use any of the BIOS features.
[03:37] <merethan> altough a BIOS would be nice to set the system clock and stuff like that
[03:39] <merethan> And some stupid chips need firmware to be loaded from the BIOS. Luckily for me those early Pentium boards do not contain any exotic hardware who need special BIOS features. So maybe I can get an old Pentium board to have a Linux shell in 3 secs from power-on!
[03:39] <merethan> yeah baby
[03:39] <merethan> let's check ebay for soem second hand chip programmer
[03:40] <DarthLappy> You're buying a person on eBay? O_o
[03:41] <DarthLappy> :P
[05:50] <AcidBurn> Is there any type of application to manager ebay listing for xubuntu :)
[06:09] <AcidBurn> Had to reset
[06:10] <AcidBurn> is there any apps for to handle ebay that work with xubuntu ???
[06:11] <grazie> AcidBurn, Don't understand your question
[06:13] <AcidBurn> grazie: looking for a xubuntu app, that can do auctions... buy & sell, there seems to be nothing for linux
[06:14] <grazie> AcidBurn, A listings manager app? I don't know of a linux app either.
[06:15] <AcidBurn> something like that, you see, with Mac there where several programs that handle auction posting and buy & selling and management
[06:15] <AcidBurn> but for linux, I can't find any (freeware)
[06:16] <somerville32> There might be a gdesklet
[07:25] <somerville32> AcidBurn: Ebay 0.1.1
[07:25] <somerville32> AcirdBurn: It is a gdesklet applet
[07:52] <kubuntian> hello
[07:52] <kubuntian> somebody can please help me with a xubuntu-kubuntu mixed thing?
[07:52] <kubuntian> i used xubuntu for a while, but i went back using kubuntu because of i missed some applications
[07:53] <somerville32> Right.
[07:53] <kubuntian> however, i really appreciated some applications, like thunar
[07:53] <somerville32> Please ask your question :)
[07:53] <kubuntian> let me get there :)
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[07:53] <kubuntian> i installed it but however, something in the graphical layout seems to be missing
[07:53] <Grey_Loki> It being Thunar?
[07:54] <kubuntian> particularly icons look pretty bad.. they are all the same regardless if it is a folder or a media device mount point
[07:54] <kubuntian> let me give you a snapshot of thunar
[07:54] <TheSheep> kubuntian: it's in the faq on thunar.org
[07:54] <kubuntian> TheSheep: hi there, i was xubuntian, we already met here :)
[07:54] <kubuntian> really?
[07:54] <kubuntian> oh, ok
[07:54] <kubuntian> i will take a look :P
[07:54] <TheSheep> thunar.xfce.org
[07:54] <TheSheep> sorry
[07:55] <kubuntian> will i lose something in the use of thunar outside of xfce?
[07:56] <somerville32> Integration with the desktop, yes.
[07:56] <TheSheep> http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documentation/faq#why_does_thunar_display_the_fallback_icon_for_all_files_and_folders
[08:15] <Tajmox> how do i add themes?   I have theme files but donot know what to do with them
[08:15] <kubuntian> somerville32: what do you mean by integration?
[08:18] <kubuntian> TheSheep: hey, i tried to put crystalsvg in the .gtkrc-2.0 but it didn't change anything
[08:19] <kubuntian> how come? i think it has MIME icons .. but still the fallback one are showed
[08:26] <kubuntian> ok, it worked with "Rodent" icon theme, but i had to intall gnome-icon-theme and some other i didn't want.. is there any way of using crystal? what name should i use?
[08:36] <Tajmox> Anyone know how to load a theme?  Where do I place the theme files?
[08:44] <hyper_ch> !theme
[08:44] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:14] <Aar0n444> Hi
[09:14] <Aar0n444> Where can I find my floppy drive
[09:14] <Aar0n444> (In Xubuntu)
[09:15] <somerville32> doh
[09:16] <TheSheep> did you look under the bed?
[09:18] <Tajmox> !changethemes
[09:18] <ubotu> Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance (KDE).  For a good KDE guide, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[09:18] <Tajmox> but i dont use KDE nor Gnome  =\
[09:20] <TheSheep> Tajmox: xfce uses gtk themes -- same as gnome
[09:22] <Tajmox> TheSheep - yes but installing new themes in gnome is drag and drop        apparently nobody knows how to do it in XFCE
[09:22] <TheSheep> Tajmox: just unpack the theme archive into your ~/.themes directory
[09:22] <Tajmox> in gnome i just dragged the theme package to the theme picker window and voila.     i just need to know where to place the theme files in XFCE
[09:23] <Tajmox> TheSheep Thanks that helps a lot
[09:23] <Tajmox> The simple solutions are the hardest ones to find
[09:23] <TheSheep> Tajmox: the bot is tuned for #ubuntu obviously
[09:24] <somerville32> !search themes
[09:24] <ubotu> Found: eyecandy,launch-feedback,i-candy,changethemes,icandy,themes,theme,superkaramba,eye candy,artwork
[09:25] <somerville32> !installthemes
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installthemes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <somerville32> !changethemes-#xubuntu is <reply> To change a theme in Xubuntu, Launch applications -> Settings -> User Interface Settings. To install a new theme, unpack the the theme to your ~/.themes/ directory. Note: Gnome themes work in Xubuntu.
[09:27] <somerville32> For frigs sakes, Ubotu is still borked
[09:29] <Grey_Loki> !mkv
[09:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:39] <ali_> anyone happen to know whether or not xubuntu has a power management system? it looks like it can only power manage the monitor from the look of settings
[09:40] <Tajmox> ali_ you want it to suspend or power off during inactivity?
[09:41] <ali_> actually, i just want to make sure it doesn't ever switch off or suspend (or anything like that) due to inactivity because i'm gonna be controlling this computer remotely from another one most of the time
[09:43] <Tajmox> it doesn't have that type of power managemnt installed
[09:43] <Tajmox> only display
[09:44] <Tajmox> <3 xubuntu
[09:45] <ali_> oh ok, so the system will just stay like it is permanently? if so then i don't have anything to worry about
[09:47] <somerville32> :)
[09:48] <Tajmox> yep
[09:49] <ali_> cool. thanks for your help
[09:56] <mirf> are there any apps for catalogging and sorting mp3s/oggs etc?
[09:59] <somerville32> mirf: Sure are! :)
[09:59] <mirf> such as..?
[09:59] <mirf> I really want somehign that can tidy all the folders and filenames
[10:00] <mirf> make everythign nicely uniform
[10:00] <somerville32> Well
[10:00] <mirf> but to a scheme of my own design
[10:00] <somerville32> Thunar bulk rename is very powerful
[10:00] <somerville32> *renamer
[10:00] <mirf> oooh
[10:01] <mirf> I think I have that plugin installed..
[10:01] <somerville32> It comes default
[10:01] <mirf> although I think it would still require a lot of manual work
[10:01] <Tajmox> i think you have it installed too
[10:01] <somerville32> mirf: If the tags aren't set, then yes
[10:01] <mirf> yeah tags are part of the problem
[10:02] <mats> w32codecs?
[10:02] <mats> ubotu: ?? w32codecs
[10:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:03] <Tajmox> mirf - easytag
[10:05] <magic_ninja> man....i just caught my roommate stealing my food stamps
[10:05] <Tajmox> i caught my roomate stealing a pack of smokes from my room while i was sleeping this morning
[10:06] <Tajmox> thief roomates suck
[10:06] <magic_ninja> its my cousin too
[10:06] <Tajmox> that doesnt make it ok
[10:06] <magic_ninja> balance on the card was like 15 or 20 bucks and now its 0.00 and she the only one that knew the pw
[10:06] <magic_ninja> PLUS it has been gone for a week or so
[10:07] <magic_ninja> and i know where i put it last
[10:07] <magic_ninja> man...its time to say something
[10:07] <magic_ninja> caught red handed get ya shit and get out
[10:07] <Grey_Loki> Just kick them otu
[10:07] <Grey_Loki> Keep their shit
[10:07] <magic_ninja> b_52Centos: welcome to the xubuntu channel please feel free to ask questions
[10:08] <Grey_Loki> And this should be in #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[10:08] <magic_ninja> i can't its her house...but my grandma actually owns it, she hasn't had it signed over to her yet
[10:08] <b_52Centos> magic_ninja,  thanks :D
[10:08] <magic_ninja> lol
[10:08] <magic_ninja> i'm just feelin frisky
[10:08] <Tajmox> tell grandma
[10:08] <magic_ninja> lol, na
[10:08] <magic_ninja> i aint like that
[10:08] <somerville32> !offtopic
[10:08] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:09] <magic_ninja> i'll just tell her while i'm taking 20 bucks out of her wallet in front of her
[10:09] <magic_ninja> aight i'll quit it heh
[10:09] <somerville32> :)
[10:09] <magic_ninja> feel like i'm in the nerd army lol
[10:10] <magic_ninja> man...i really have to say, i'm just really happy with this linux system...edgy does a great job, i would feel comfortable putting this on an old woman's computer
[10:18] <magic_ninja> is it possible to install windows within a linux filesystem type/
[10:18] <mats> KVM
[10:20] <magic_ninja> ?
[10:33] <bur[n] er> magic_ninja, via vmware
[10:43] <magic_ninja> bur[n] er: ohh, ok ty
[10:47] <somerville32> TheSheep: ping
[11:06] <mats> quemu also
[11:11] <Jester45> hello
[11:12] <mats> hei
[11:12] <mats> hello
[11:12] <mats> what ever
[11:12] <mats> ;)
[11:21] <Jester45> how was your day
[12:13] <liquidengineer> Hi there
[12:13] <liquidengineer> I'm trying to connect to a WPA protected nework
[12:13] <liquidengineer> but network-admin only shows WEP password entry
[12:13] <liquidengineer> *shows=allows
[12:14] <roflarn> i think u need a package called wpa_supplicant
[12:14] <liquidengineer> that's not standard?
[12:14] <somerville32> !info wpa_supplicant
[12:14] <ubotu> Package wpa_supplicant does not exist in any distro I know
[12:14] <somerville32> !find wpa
[12:14] <ubotu> Found: wpasupplicant, wpagui
[12:14] <somerville32> !info wpasupplicant
[12:14] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). In component main, is important. Version 0.5.4-5 (edgy), package size 227 kB, installed size 588 kB
[12:14] <somerville32> !wpagui
[12:14] <ubotu> wpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-5 (edgy), package size 96 kB, installed size 224 kB
[12:14] <roflarn> yep there u got it
[12:15] <liquidengineer> I'm on dapper
[12:15] <liquidengineer> will that make a difference?
[12:15] <roflarn> im pretty sure its in dapper repo's too :>
[12:15] <liquidengineer> ah
[12:15] <liquidengineer> I'm on my mac right now
[12:15] <liquidengineer> can I download the files and transfer them over?
[12:16] <roflarn> dunno :p
[12:16] <liquidengineer> I'm kind of suprised its not a standard package
[12:16] <somerville32> liquidengineer, Yeah but I wouldn't recommend it.
[12:17] <liquidengineer> somerville32: Then I've got a problem.
[12:17] <somerville32> liquidengineer, How so?
[12:17] <liquidengineer> I don't have any way to connect otherwise
[12:17] <liquidengineer> I'm running a purely wireless setup
[12:17] <liquidengineer> I'll have to take it somewhere else to hook it up with a hardline
[12:19] <liquidengineer> Thing is, I'm running off a livecd right now
[12:20] <liquidengineer> so wouldn't I have to reinstall this thing every time I wanted to use a wpa network?
[12:20] <somerville32> Yup.
[12:20] <somerville32> You could download it
[12:20] <vidd_laptop> are you only going to use live cd?
[12:20] <Pirate-king> hello
[12:20] <somerville32> And put it on a floppy or something
[12:21] <somerville32> Pirate-king, HI :)
[12:21] <liquidengineer> I eventually want to do a full install.
[12:21] <Pirate-king> could a p200 be a server with xbuntu?
[12:21] <liquidengineer> I was hoping to keep it on the livecd long enough to experiment
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> Pirate-king, JUST ABOUT anything CAN BE A SERVER WITH LINUX
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> *&%%^$ caps lock!!!
[12:22] <Pirate-king> ok to windows boxes
[12:22] <somerville32> :/
[12:22] <somerville32> vidd_laptop: What are you on?
[12:23] <somerville32> Pirate-King: Yes. a p200 could be a server.
[12:23] <somerville32> What do you want to do on your server?
[12:23] <liquidengineer> Thanks for the help
[12:23] <liquidengineer> Bye. :D
[12:23] <Pirate-king> mp3's pictures
[12:23] <somerville32> ie. a file server?
[12:24] <Pirate-king> I got a 200 doing nothing
[12:24] <Pirate-king> yes file serve
[12:24] <Pirate-king> yes file server
[12:25] <somerville32> So you'll want to setup samba
[12:25] <Pirate-king> ok
[12:25] <somerville32> !samba | Pirate-king
[12:25] <ubotu> Pirate-king: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:26] <vidd_laptop> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1400MHz @ 1.40GHz]  mem[Physical : 724MB, 75.5% free]  disk[Total : 35.15GB, 71.80% Free]  video[Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device]  sound[] 
[12:26] <somerville32> vidd_laptop, eww
[12:27] <vidd_laptop> its a laptop....