[12:36] <fdoving> nite.
[01:47] <nixternal> Riddell: if you get an email from the KDE sysadmins, put in a good word for me :)  I have Phil Rodriguez and a few others giving me their blessing :)
[01:47] <Riddell> nixternal: account for docs stuff?
[01:47] <nixternal> ya
[01:47] <Riddell> cool
[01:48] <nixternal> they are getting tired of me sending them 100 emails a day with patches, and not being able to triage the boogs myself
[01:48] <Jucato> they're gonna give you svn access? :)
[02:02] <nixternal> would be nice :)
[02:02] <nixternal> my name is earl is on :)
[02:02] <nixternal> bbiaf
[02:15] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!!
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[02:17] <Hobbsee> *dammit*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> the one thing i forgot to check for was pre-existing meetings..
[02:17] <Jucato> :P
[02:17] <Jucato> CC Meeting, eh?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...that sucks
[02:18] <Hobbsee> that's your 3am isnt it, Jucato?
[02:18] <Jucato> so we're back to Wednesday?
[02:18] <Jucato> uh what time?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, i didnt change it
[02:19] <Jucato> ah
[02:19] <Hobbsee> [12:17]  <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 10 Jan 02:00: LoCo Team | 10 Jan 03:00: Forum Council | 10 Jan 06:00: Kubuntu Developers | 10 Jan 08:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 23:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jan 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:20] <Jucato> hm... CC meeting is on Jan 10... didn't you reschedule ours on Jan 9?
[02:21] <Jucato> 08:00 UTC = 4pm here, I think
[02:21] <Riddell> they're both 9th in UTC time
[02:21] <Riddell> why not Monday?
[02:21] <Jucato> ah ok... that was for AU time... @_@
[02:26] <Jucato> Good night Riddell! and sorry for last night
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no major problem - just less time for people to think and add to the agenda
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that paste is in au time, btw
[02:30] <Jucato> heh yeah, I realized. the CC meeting is 5am my time
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, yuck
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you want @schedule <city>
[02:31] <Jucato> I'm there :)
[02:31] <Jucato> yeah 5am... I don't attend CC meetings anyway heheh
[02:45] <ryanakca> weee!
[02:45] <Jucato> hi ryanakca
[02:45] <ryanakca> I finally managed to convince my mum to have a 30 day trial with kubuntu :D
[02:45] <crimsun> awesome.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca!
[02:46] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[02:46] <Jucato> nice
[02:46] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh ... I'm applying for membership at the meeting :)
[02:46] <ryanakca> crimsun: yeah... really awesome, considering it took me a month and a half to get her to switch from IE to Firefox...
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: woot!  :)
[02:47] <crimsun> I love the fact that my folks don't care; they just want what works. And that's what Breezy's doing for them.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> till it's EOL'd, of course
[02:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: now you really have to make sure ryanakca can come to the meeting :P
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hahaha, indeed
[02:48] <crimsun> already have the update-manager -d -c set for the EOL
[02:48] <Hobbsee> first was warty :P
[02:49] <ryanakca> warty... 4.10 iirc...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:49] <crimsun> I have fond memories of 4.10
[02:49] <ryanakca> yeah... back then I was looking for the distro on which setting up a mail server was easiest...
[02:50] <crimsun> jani and I were stuffing sources.list with Debian KDE & Xfce repos
[02:50] <ryanakca> only managed to get it setup this summer...
[02:50] <ryanakca> lol
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <ryanakca> and then upgrading to edgy a couple weeks later whiped it out :D
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu's nice for setting up a file server on, we found
[02:51] <ryanakca> is fish konqueror only? or does it work in Thunar or Nautilus?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> it's a kioslave....iric
[02:51] <ryanakca> kk
[02:52] <Jucato> yep, kioslave only
[02:52] <Jucato> fish:// and KDE's implementation of sftp://
[02:52] <ryanakca> kk
[02:53] <Jucato> hm.. there's a kk:// ? :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ongoing ping.  x2 things, iirc.
[02:54] <ryanakca> brb, now that I have her HD backed up :)
[02:54] <ryanakca> no :P
[02:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: he hasn't pong'ed back, has he?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope
[02:54] <Hobbsee> but he should see that
[03:02] <Hobbsee> heya neoncode, jpetso
[03:02] <jpetso> hi Hobbsee
[03:03] <ryanakca> hmm... for some reason I can't resize the ntfs partition on the LiveCD...
[03:03] <ryanakca> s/on/with
[03:11] <bddebian> Heya
[03:11] <Jucato> boo! :P
[03:12] <bddebian> heh
[03:14] <Hobbsee|Remote> ryanakca: file hte kdepim bug upstream, and link it.  dont assign anything to me unless i say i'll fix it
[03:14] <ryanakca> hmm???
[03:14] <Jucato> lol
[03:15] <ryanakca> Oh!
[03:15] <Hobbsee> earlier
[03:15] <ryanakca> now I know what you're talking about
[03:15] <ryanakca> kk
[03:15] <Hobbsee> and that's in a machine i was ssh'd to, with irssi and screen
[03:15] <ryanakca> lol
[03:15] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[03:16] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[03:16] <Jucato> heh
[03:18] <Hobbsee> haha @ that ubuntu stats, and msot active people by time of day
[03:18] <Hobbsee> haha @ the some big numbers, too
[03:19] <Hobbsee|Remote> nixternal: *cries*
[03:20] <Jucato> :O
[03:20] <Jucato> where's that stats page?
[03:22] <nixternal> uh oh
[03:22] <nixternal> link link!
[03:22] <Jucato> linky!?!?
[03:24] <nixternal> http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org
[03:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee|Remote: you talk to much :)
[03:24] <nixternal> haha, im right behind ya
[03:25] <Jucato> on which channel?
[03:25] <nixternal> this one
[03:25] <Jucato> aah
[03:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee|Remote: yells a lot !38
[03:25] <nixternal> gahahahahaha
[03:25] <Jucato> yay! I'm no longer top at @kubuntu :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha
[03:35] <Jucato> isn't that against the IRC guidelines? :p
[03:35] <Hobbsee> if i'm doing nick changes, yes
[03:35] <Hobbsee> if it's multiple clients, no
[03:36] <Jucato> hehe
[03:36] <Hobbsee|Remote> ryanakca: that i know of who use it, yes
[03:37] <Hobbsee|Remote> @ your comment to Riddell
[03:38] <Hobbsee|Remote> @ schedule times, i have the trouble that i work so much, and have uni, that i dont relaly know when i'm available, until about a week before.  unless it's a 6am meeting
[03:40] <Hobbsee|Remote> oops
[03:41] <Hobbsee> OK, bye!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> work time!
[06:21] <manchicken> Riddell: Thanks for the add.
[06:22] <manchicken> Okay, that said, it's chicken beddy-bye time.
[06:22] <Jucato> hi manchicken! happy new year!
[06:22] <manchicken> See you all tomorrow.  It'll be a nice hacking time.
[06:22] <manchicken> Jucato: You as well my friend.
[06:22] <manchicken> Have a good night all.
[06:22] <Jucato> sweet dreams!
[06:23] <manchicken> BTW, ATI drivers (particularly for radeon xpress 200m) **SUCK** on laptops.  All A
[06:23] <manchicken> All ACPI seems hosed with them.
[06:24] <manchicken> Just thought I'd put that out there.  I should submit a bug report, but I didn't want to have to fight with collecting info.  It'd just be better to tell folks to avoid proprietary drivers. ^_^
[06:24] <manchicken> That said, night.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hehe, oh dear
[08:31] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato :)
[08:31] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! any change in the meeting schedule?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: havent thought about it - my brain doesnt do that well with world times
[08:32] <Jucato> heh... not very pretty is it... then add the DST dance to that...
[08:34] <Hobbsee> nope
[08:48] <Kuhrscher> Hi everybody
[08:48] <Kuhrscher> Who generates the source tarballs of adept? Still mornfall?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall i believe, yeah
[08:49] <Kuhrscher> Since the last changes in svn have been done by Riddell...
[08:49] <Jucato> hm.. was Adept the successor of Kapture?
[08:49] <Jucato> I think mornfall committed some changes to KDE SVN lately, too
[08:51] <Kuhrscher> Yes, you are right.
[08:54] <Kuhrscher> I just noticed that in the recent release (2.1.2) the upstream translations from svn are missing
[08:55] <Kuhrscher> It was the same for 2.1.1 some months ago...
[09:14] <Kuhrscher> Ok, I'll contact mornfall directly
[09:14] <Kuhrscher> Bye
[10:02] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[10:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:13] <fabo> sebas: could you take a look to the submitted patch -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405133 , TIA
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 405133 in kde-guidance "messes up the display resolution (i.e. the dpi setting)" [Normal,Open] 
[10:20] <sebas> fabo: Reviewing now
[10:21] <fabo> thks
[10:23] <sebas> Hm, dunno if we want this.
[10:23] <sebas> Simon has spent quite some time getting the DPI setting right (tm)
[10:23] <sebas> And it touches this stuff, of course.
[10:23] <sebas> I'd rather have him look at it
[10:24] <sebas> Can you email this to simon@simonzone.com?
[10:24] <sebas> It'll take some time before he reads it, he's on vacation, but will be back well before the Feisty merge window closes
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> hello all
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[10:24] <Tonio_> sebas: hey
[10:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how are you ?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: good ;)
[10:25] <sebas> Tonio_: Bonjour, good as ever :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> I which I could say the same......
[10:25] <sebas> What's wrong?
[10:25] <Tonio_> my girlfriend just break our relationship....
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ack!  why?
[10:26] <sebas> Ouch :/
[10:26] <Tonio_> last week  we were planning the wedding
[10:26] <fabo> ouch
[10:26] <Tonio_> why ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> because her parents don't like me and it seems to hard for her to help me on that point
[10:26] <Tonio_> she prefers to stop everything, after 6 years
[10:27] <sebas> So she's going to marry her parents instead? :/
[10:27] <Tonio_> we were talking about a baby three days ago
[10:27] <Hobbsee> :(
[10:27] <Tonio_> but the most stupid thing is that she admits that her mother his wrong, didn't make any effort, and she admits I've done the right things
[10:27] <Tonio_> and she also claims she loves me
[10:28] <Hobbsee> she's giving up because it's too hard?
[10:28] <Tonio_> did someone ever saw such a stupid context ?
[10:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks too hard for her to support me
[10:28] <Tonio_> and to pressure her mother to make an effort
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and to defy her parents, presumably
[10:28] <Jucato> :(
[10:28] <praetor> Tonio_: woah, thats harsh man
[10:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah, but after 1 years I would understand, if she was 18
[10:28] <Tonio_> not when 26 and baby + wedding planed !!!!!
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's what i would have thought
[10:29] <Tonio_> that's the most incredible and stupid break I've seen in my life
[10:29] <Tonio_> with adult people I mean
[10:30] <Tonio_> so the point is that I have to leave kubuntufor a moment.......... take a break
[10:30] <Tonio_> that's all my life that is destroyed
[10:30] <Hobbsee> :(
[10:30] <Tonio_> I quited my job 3 month ago to go living with her
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how long have you known about this for?
[10:31] <Tonio_> I've left everything for her..........
[10:31] <Tonio_> my job, my appartment, my friends........... and now she destroys everything......
[10:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 2 hours
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you think she'll reconsider?
[10:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will I be ale to pardon this ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> able
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry, i dont understand
[10:32] <Jucato> that really... sucks... :(
[10:32] <Tonio_> can I accept she can take such stupid decisions after such a long time toogether ?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: everyone screws up.  do you love her enough to?
[10:32] <Tonio_> just because of her fucking mother
[10:32] <Hobbsee> particularly as she;s likely to have been pressured massively on this
[10:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I love her, of course, but I don't know if I can pardon this.........
[10:33] <Tonio_> would you pardon someone that breaks instead of supporting you when she also agrees that her mother caused the problem ?
[10:33] <Tonio_> not that much people I know would pardon this....
[10:33] <Hobbsee> honestly?
[10:33] <Tonio_> yes
[10:33] <Tonio_> be honnest
[10:33] <Hobbsee> i'd give it a bit of time, to see how myself and $partner felt after a few days, then look at the situation
[10:34] <sebas> But then I'm not french :-)
[10:34] <Tonio_> sebas: :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> I already did enough for her and  she does consider this
[10:35] <Tonio_> it looks like just "normal" for her
[10:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but are you 27 ?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not according to my drivers licence
[10:35] <Tonio_> everyone does big mistakes
[10:36] <Tonio_> but that mistake when we just announced the wedding to everyone..........
[10:37] <Hobbsee> but i would suspect your girlfriend regrets it
[10:37] <Tonio_> maybe she will
[10:37] <Tonio_> but she looks unlogic enough to think she did good.....
[10:38] <Tonio_> "I love you, you have done everything right, you just quit everything for me, that's the end, byebye"
[10:38] <Tonio_> that's the resume.......
[10:38] <Jucato> :O
[10:39] <Tonio_> okay I don't want to complain too much here....
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's fine
[10:39] <Tonio_> I'll be back one day, but I don't know when, I have to take a break
[10:39] <Hobbsee> OK
[10:40] <Tonio_> find a job, an appartment, and reconstruct my brain......
[10:40] <Hobbsee> yes, i was about to ask what you were going to do
[10:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't know......
[10:40] <Tonio_> I don't know what and where.....
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hmmm....
[10:40] <Tonio_> I don't want to go back in my parents home
[10:41] <sebas> Tonio_: Take the time you need, and veel warmly welcome when you're back
[10:41] <Tonio_> how can I annouce everything is over ???? we announced our wedding 3 days ago !
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'd wait a bit, see how you all feel tomorrow
[10:41] <Tonio_> probably angry
[10:42] <Tonio_> that's what happens at the second stage
[10:42] <sebas> Don't break all the bridges behind you right now
[10:42] <crimsun> Tonio_: as bad as it is, at least KDE didn't leave you for GNOME.
[10:43] <sebas> It doesn't sound like there really is no way to work things out
[10:43] <Tonio_> crimsun: ;) thanks for trying not to complain to much !
[10:43] <sebas> Not that *I* can judge, just sounds like that
[10:43] <Tonio_> it is probably better for me to ear this....
[10:43] <Tonio_> that's why I'm affraid of announcing that to my parents and friends.........
[10:43] <Tonio_> 2 month of complains are coming
[10:44] <Hobbsee> sebas: sounds like that to me too
[10:44] <Tonio_> sebas: yeah but the problem is that it always break things........
[10:45] <Tonio_> it'll create further problem
[10:45] <Tonio_> I don't know if I'll be able to beleive in her once again.....
[10:46] <Hobbsee> why dont you cross that bridge when you come to it?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> instead of trying to figure it all out now?
[10:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: because I probably won't come to it.....
[10:46] <Tonio_> well I have to empty my brain
[10:46] <Tonio_> I'm leaving now... thanks for listening to my complains, and I hope to see you soon
[10:47] <Tonio_> have a good day
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: OK.  glad you could come in to see us though
[10:47] <praetor> Tonio_: take care of yourself man, all the best
[10:47] <sebas> Tonio_: Have strength!
[10:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll be back, just don't know when
[10:47] <Tonio_> thanks everyone !
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uh oh, i think soyuz ate my upload..
[10:51] <Hobbsee> !sru
[10:51] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> whee!
[11:09] <Jucato> you are?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:09] <Hobbsee> Changes:
[11:09] <Hobbsee>  texfam (1.2.1-9ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low
[11:09] <Hobbsee>  .
[11:09] <Hobbsee>    * Hobbsee put *down* that crack pipe!  Circular dependancies are bad!!!
[11:10] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> package was depending on itself to install.  oops
[11:13] <Jucato> that would be a funny app :)
[11:14] <Jucato> hm...
[11:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, pong ( x2 )
[11:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay :)
[11:30] <Jucato> pong pong :)
[11:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: now there are three :)
[11:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:31] <imbrandon> one i can tell you right now, build.imbrandon.com is getting an upgrade
[11:31] <Jucato> moin imbrandon
[11:31] <imbrandon> :)
[11:31] <imbrandon> moins Jucato
[11:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: summary:  1.  my ssh account.  2. can praetor get a shell on buntudot, so he has a place to upload?  3.  daily builds for svn konvi
[11:31] <Hobbsee> :D
[11:31] <Hobbsee> tia, ie, thanks in advance :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> oh, 4, we plan for a meeting next week
[11:32] <imbrandon> konvi i'm working on right as we speak, sure get me in touch with praetor and build. is getting a hdd upgrade
[11:32] <imbrandon> and i seen the email about the meeting , all good from me
[11:32] <Hobbsee> way cool :)
[11:32] <Hobbsee> praetor: is here
[11:32] <Hobbsee> or was a bit ago, anyway
[11:32] <imbrandon> kk
[11:33] <imbrandon> if he dosent catch me have him email, but i'll be on for the next 9 or so hours
[11:33] <Jucato> wow 9 hours? :)
[11:33] <imbrandon> Jucato, i just got into work ;)
[11:34] <Jucato> aaah
[11:49] <Jucato> um.. who's the contact person for Kubuntu documentation?
[11:49] <crimsun> rich, maybe?
[11:49] <crimsun> (nixternal)
[11:50] <Jucato> ah ok thanks
[11:50] <crimsun> it's 4:50a
[11:50] <Jucato> too early... :)
[11:50] <Jucato> yeah
[12:36] <ryanakca> weee... when installing kubuntu it looks like I hosed my mum's windows... it crashes at boot each time it encounters NDIS.sys
[12:36] <ryanakca> took me an hour to fix Mup.sys
[12:36] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[12:37] <ryanakca> Oh well, I guess she'll just have to use kubuntu for the day :)
[12:37] <ryanakca> all her files are there at least
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:38] <ryanakca> so, what time is the meetings at?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> erm. next question
[12:43] <ryanakca> erm... why is windows acting up? (other than the fact it's windows)
[12:45] <ryanakca> praetor: weee! thanks :P
[12:47] <praetor> lol there is a windows support channel
[12:47] <praetor> who woulda thought
[12:47] <Hobbsee> praetor: ##windows
[12:47] <Hobbsee> praetor: and email imbrandon, if he's not here now
[12:48] <praetor> Hobbsee: yea I had a chat to him already, cheers
[12:48] <Hobbsee> praetor: :)
[01:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm screwed
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oh dear.  why?
[01:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ##windows says to format and reinstall windows
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:14] <Hobbsee> youv'e attempted to purge norcrap?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> actually, if norcrap has been on your system, you'd really do better to format and reinstall windows, just to purge that off it.
[01:14] <praetor> ryanakca: didn't they tell you to reboot? :O
[01:15] <ryanakca> it was an OEM install of ME... no CD.... she bought an upgrade to xp cd and had it install/upgraded... I'd borrow an XP install cd... except the auth key I is for ME... not XP... and she lost the stuff
[01:15] <ryanakca> norcrap?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> any norton products
[01:15] <ryanakca> lol
[01:15] <praetor> loll
[01:15] <ryanakca> Yes...
[01:15] <Hobbsee> any problem goes away when you purge norton.
[01:15] <praetor> or reboot
[01:15] <ryanakca> Norton GoBack... which is what I'm guessing is causing all the problems
[01:15] <Hobbsee> praetor: problems that cant be solved by a reboot
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: does windows boot?
[01:16] <ryanakca> praetor: I can't get windows to boo
[01:16] <ryanakca> t
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'm sure someone has an XP serial, btw
[01:16] <ryanakca> [07:06]  <ryanakca> why does windows crash at ntfs.sys each time I boot? it gets there in safe mode, and then reboots. I have a recovery CD
[01:16] <ryanakca> [07:06]  <-- Edijus has left this server.
[01:16] <ryanakca> [07:06]  <rikkus> ryanakca: your system sounds screwed. Format, installl Windows, restore data from backup.
[01:16] <ryanakca> same response from 2 people :D
[01:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:16] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm... take it off the school computers...
[01:17] <praetor> all windows problems can be solved by a reboot
[01:17] <praetor> this is a universal truth
[01:17] <Hobbsee> praetor: not quite all.
[01:17] <ryanakca> except she expects (hehe, say that 10 times fast)... to use it today
[01:17] <Hobbsee> although, removing norcrap requires a reboot too
[01:17] <ryanakca> praetor: what if the problem is an endless rebooting loob
[01:17] <Jucato> some can be solved by reformatting :)
[01:17] <ryanakca> *loop
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *grin*
[01:17] <ryanakca> lol
[01:17] <praetor> the 3r's: Reboot, Reformat, Reinstall
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hrm.  good luck with that.  kubuntu it is
[01:18] <praetor> the tools of a Windows System Administrator
[01:18] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:18] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> lol
[01:19] <jsgotangco> don't forget to Re-run the disk defrag utility!
[01:19] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco!!!!!!
[01:19] <ryanakca> lol
[01:20] <ryanakca> oooh, just thought of something
[01:21] <Jucato> logs of hugging...
[01:21] <Jucato> yay!
[01:22] <Jucato> I was about to say "/me feels jealousy building up"
[01:22] <ryanakca> jsgotangco: wow... must be some newfangled technology of the past... new year was 5 days ago... how can you communicate with the future?
[01:37] <ryanakca> ooh.. meeting is at 1900UTC?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:37] <Hobbsee> so far :P
[01:39] <ryanakca> hmm... I get home at about 2030UTC... oh well, I'm sure the meeting will last a couple of hours (seeing that the last was 2-3 hours long) and that membership will be towards the end... if not... alwais next time :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ah right, so that's trouble for three people then
[01:39] <Hobbsee> that was just nixternal's suggestion, as i wasnt there
[01:39] <ryanakca> ah
[01:39] <ryanakca> here, I have an idea
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: my movements are so fluid i'm not sure it'd help much
[01:45] <Jucato_> yay.. kubuntu theming guide done and uploaded to my site... now to determine where else it should go...
[01:46] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:46] <Jucato_> er.. s/yay.../yay!!!/
[01:46] <Jucato_> (didn't sound very happy :P )
[01:47] <Riddell> Jucato_: what does that describe?
[01:48] <Jucato> Riddell: just a simple guide on how to theme Kubuntu. I adepted it from the the KDE theming guide in KDE User Guide
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[01:48] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna!!!
[01:49] <ryanakca> hey Zerlinna
[01:49] <Zerlinna> hi Hobbsee :)
[01:49] <Zerlinna> hi ryanakca
[01:49] <Jucato> here's the KDE Theming Guide: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html
[01:49] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meeting/Time    ... might not look "professional"... but it's a start
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nice.  where are you, again?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> it's only Jucato and myself on this side of the world, isnt it?
[01:50] <ryanakca> Canada, Ontario, Kingston
[01:50] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:50] <ryanakca> well, I'm half way there
[01:51] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: oh, might want to add some hours into January 10th... for the people where timezones would make it go overboard
[01:51] <Hobbsee> true
[01:54] <Hobbsee> it appears we have 2 kubuntu meetinsg, anyway
[01:54] <ryanakca> 2?
[01:54] <ryanakca> when where how?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> on fridge
[01:55] <Hobbsee> wow, that's a lot of meetings for oen day
[01:56] <Hobbsee> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[01:57] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:58] <ryanakca> 1 kubuntu one followed by an edubuntu one?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> look at the day before
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i screwed it up :P
[02:00] <Jucato> heh no worries.. as long as it's not 4am here (7am there), I can still make it :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, well...
[02:01] <Jucato> anyway, if I don't make it, my absence is no big deal :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> well, arent you a core part of the testing team?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> argh.  the week after next is LCA
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh wait, that starts at 3
[02:06] <ryanakca> LCA?
[02:06] <Jucato> join me in my confusion :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> linux conf australia
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: major linux conf that a whole lot of ubuntu devs and other people are coming to
[02:07] <ryanakca> ah
[02:09] <ryanakca> hey manchicken, mhb_
[02:09] <Riddell> yo manchicken
[02:09] <Jucato> hi manchicken, hi mhb
[02:10] <Zerlinna> hi mhb_
[02:10] <manchicken> Yo.
[02:14] <ryanakca> meh, I'll just work on getting Kubuntu set up and configured for her instead of fixing windows... I've spend enough time trying to fix it... anywais, she has a windows laptop she can use...
[02:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: shall I send you the volunteer hours and and the patch in chunks? I'm at three hours on the patch and I'm a 3rd done... 40MB patch...
[02:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: ok
[02:23] <ravermeister> hello i have got a question
[02:24] <ravermeister> when i type system:/
[02:24] <ravermeister> in my konqueror, i get an entry called
[02:24] <ravermeister> storage media
[02:24] <ravermeister> in earlier times he showed media:/
[02:24] <ravermeister> but now he shows /media, how can i change it?
[02:25] <ravermeister> i'm now using kubuntu edgy, before it was dapper, and there was a .desktop file somewhere in /usr/share
[02:27] <ravermeister> can anybody help me? or say where the location of the .desktop file of storage media is?
[02:27] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop ?
[02:28] <ravermeister> :) thx
[02:28] <ravermeister> that was it
[02:28] <ravermeister> was searching for it about half an hour
[02:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: export to CSV file?
[02:29] <ryanakca> or ?
[02:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: what are you using?
[02:33] <ryanakca> KArm
[02:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: should be a way to export to a nice text file
[02:34] <Riddell> or just copy to clipboard maybe?
[02:34] <ryanakca> kk
[02:36] <gnomefreak> kubuntu installs ubuntu-standard right?
[02:38] <ryanakca> hmm...
[02:38] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: think so...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: dont think so
[02:39] <ryanakca> or no
[02:39] <gnomefreak> i hope so
[02:39] <Hobbsee> it's not listed as an rdep, but i have it installed..
[02:39] <ryanakca> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep -i standard            doesn't show anything
[02:39] <Jucato> ditto
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i know i checked already but im hoping it installs it or i have a big issue to work out on someones upgrade :(
[02:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's got no rdepends - why would it be installed?
[02:40] <Riddell> it comes on the CD
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:40] <Riddell> and is installed by default
[02:41] <Hobbsee> appeared to have, anyway
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ok cool ;)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ty everyone
[02:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: should be sent, if not, tell me....
[02:59] <mhb> hi everyone
[02:59] <mhb> is the meeting time problem solved yet?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what reason?
[03:02] <Jucato> this latest patch I'm making for Konqi...
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:03] <mhb> jack_at_home: you should fix your connection
[03:03] <mhb> jack_wyt____: ^^
[03:04] <mhb> Hobbsee: I take that as no
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: no, but right now i'm looking at it
[03:04] <Hobbsee> as opposed to before, when i was just ignoring it
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: is the 2030 hometime every day, or just wednesday?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> er, tuesday
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hey Lure_
[03:06] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee - happy new year!
[03:06] <Hobbsee> right, if we meet this week, at the preferred time (2200) UTC, it can either be monday, wednesday, or friday (utc days)
[03:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't see it
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: you too :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> or change the meeting time, or bump to next week
[03:07] <Hobbsee> or ignore the CC meeting, and meet in #kubuntu-devel
[03:07] <Hobbsee> er, #kubuntu-meeting
[03:09] <Hobbsee> someone unban him when he has a stable connection please.  jack_at_home ^
[03:09] <Hobbsee> jack_at_home: change the nick of that, and you'll be able to get back in
[03:09] <Riddell> I'd rather not ignore the CC, I might be needed
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i was thinking.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would be your thoughts on a monday meeting?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> is that cutting out anyone?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> your monday night
[03:10] <Hobbsee> (seeing as we can have any time we want, according to the fridge)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=8&year=2007&hour=22&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[03:13] <mhb> monday works for me, but this time we should wait and ask more people before posting it on the fridge
[03:13] <Hobbsee> mhb: i asked.  no one replied.  you are on the ML, arent you?
[03:14] <mhb> at least ask the people with agenda points & proposed members
[03:14] <mhb> Hobbsee: you asked on the ML about monday?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: no, i asked when was a good time for the meeting
[03:14] <Hobbsee> prior to about 12 hours ago, i didnt check for the CC meeting, and note that it was a problem
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hey gnomefreak
[03:19] <mhb> Riddell: topic says "add to the agenda" - should I add discussing the mockups of the kmilo volume up/down pop-up?
[03:20] <gnomefreak> hi
[03:21] <Hobbsee> mhb: could be interesting to give a status update, if you wanted.  *shrugs*
[03:21] <Riddell> mhb: sure
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: status update? I didn't understand that.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: dont worry then
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: I still want to know what you meant though
[03:23] <Hobbsee> mhb: as in, how it's going.  the mockup
[03:23] <Hobbsee> oh i dont know
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey raphink
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tonio_'s taking a break - i presume you read the backscroll?
[03:25] <Jucato> sad.. really sad...
[03:25] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[03:25] <raphink> happy new year
[03:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: you too :)
[03:26] <allee> Hobbsee: how long will be tonio's break?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> allee: as long as it takes him to recover, it seems
[03:27] <Hobbsee> allee: /topic
[03:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: ditto, /topic if you're interested
[03:28] <raphink> I'll try
[03:29] <allee> Hobbsee: thx for the info
[03:29] <allee> Hobbsee: meeting: 8th is fine for me
[03:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: 2030... that's everyday... when the bus gets back
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: right :)
[03:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: monday is fine with me
[03:30] <Hobbsee> OK
[03:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk... hmm
[03:34] <ryanakca> ?
[03:34] <allee> Hobbsee: afair just use @SIG@ as is.  (preview does not translate it,but when saved it's tranlated)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> allee: that doesnt appear to work for me :(
[03:35] <mhb> ryanakca: if that question mark was for me - read the logs
[03:38] <allee> Hobbsee: Mhmm, I've added on my wiki page (without the double quotes): "test SIG. @SIG@", saved the page, and "test SIG. -- AchimBohnet 2007-01-05 15:37:00" was shown
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hrm, OK
[03:40] <allee> Hobbsee: add a pointing stick sensitvie wiki to the agenda
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <Hobbsee> that was even before my pointy stick
[03:41] <ryanakca> ah
[03:41] <ryanakca> eeeps! pointy stick
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <matus> ko
[03:52] <Hobbsee> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup/hamachikk1.png
[03:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:53] <Jucato> heh
[03:53] <Jucato> that actually made me smile a bit
[03:53] <Hobbsee> http://thedailywtf.com/Default.aspx
[03:56] <jdong> Klaus Knopper I passionately hate you
[03:56] <jdong> stop releasing knoppix updates faster than I can download them!
[03:56] <Riddell> a bit harsh that
[03:57] <jdong> Riddell: I only passionately hate in the figurative, loving sort of way ;-)
[03:58] <seaLne> when is the meeting next week? the fridge has 2 meetings listed neither of which match wiki/Kubuntu/Meetings
[03:58] <mhb> seaLne: see /topic
[03:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ^ /topic
[03:59] <seaLne> so http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event is definitly wrong as i thought?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: sent
[04:01] <ryanakca> lol
[04:01] <Hobbsee> seaLne: basically, i screwed up, nixternal will presumably change it, when he wakes up
[04:03] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll change the date at Kubuntu/Meetings for now ...
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mhb: thanks
[04:04] <seaLne> ah it actually lasts 22hrs on fridge not 2 meetings, that sounds fun
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:05] <Hobbsee> useful
[04:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: mm, yes, 10MB e-mails will tend to get stuck in one of my mail hops :)
[04:10] <ryanakca> lol
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: so what's this a patch for and why is it so huge?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's full of crack, most likely :P
[04:15] <ryanakca> ah, the patch... it's to reorganise the layout of doc-linux-html (from source package doc-linux) to fix bug 76315 (iirc)... why is it so huge? because it will basicly contain the whole package when I'm done... (I'm still debating on making a patch or making a new .tar.bz2 containing all the HOWTOs to replace the current one)...
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76315 in doc-linux "Some -HOWTOs have been removed" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76315
[04:15] <ryanakca> nope... not it, just a sec, I'll get the number
[04:16] <ryanakca> bug 76320
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76320 in doc-linux "doc-linux-html is messy and inconsistent" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76320
[04:17] <ryanakca> (I'm fixing 76315, 76320, 76313 and 76312 ...)
[04:20] <ryanakca> say there's foobar-HOWTO.html, foobar-HOWTO-1.html, foobar-HOWTO-2.html, foobar-HOWTO-3.html, I make the directory   foobar-HOWTO, copy over foobar-HOWTO.html, foobar-HOWTO-1.html, foobar-HOWTO-2.html, foobar-HOWTO-3.html, remove foobar-HOWTO-* from the original directory, and then edit foobar-HOWTO.html in the original source directory so that it redirects to foobar-HOWTO/foobar-HOWTO.html
[04:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: what does this patch apply against?
[04:24] <ryanakca> on the contents of Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2
[04:25] <ryanakca> what happens is doc-linux-html is basicly the contents of Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 (in the source package doc-linux)  extracted to /usr/share/doc/HOWTO...
[04:26] <ryanakca> in the end, what's happening is that I'm going to have a new Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 ... and nixternal also suggested that I add a patch so that it's visible in khelpcenter and from the menu...
[04:26] <ryanakca> hope I'm explaining myself properly...
[04:27] <ryanakca> s/add a patch/write a patch for a .desktop
[04:30] <ryanakca> what I did was extract Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 to /tmp/new  and /tmp/old... I made my changes, I'm a third done.. then a diff -Nurp old new > mypatchname.patch
[04:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: where does Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 come from?  is it just a tar from upstream?
[04:34] <ryanakca> it comes from debian...
[04:35] <ryanakca> apt-get source doc-linux
[04:35] <ryanakca> ubuntu auto-syncs it from debian
[04:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: but do they get it from upstream or do they just create it from a bunch of docs they download from upstream?
[04:37] <Riddell> if it's from upstream then there may be a good reason for the directory layout?
[04:38] <Riddell> or there may not of course
[04:39] <Riddell> but this patch isn't maintainable in any way, it needs to be done with rules in debian/rules
[04:39] <Riddell> so just have the mkdir and mv commends in debian/rules
[04:43] <ryanakca> they create it
[04:43] <ryanakca> no?
[04:43] <ryanakca> hmm...
[04:44] <ryanakca> kk
[04:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: and for the HTML redirect... make that into a patch?
[04:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: where they is Debian?
[04:52] <ryanakca> erm...
[04:52] <ryanakca> where they is Debian?
[04:52] <Riddell> 15:43 < ryanakca> they create it
[04:53] <ryanakca> Yes
[04:53] <ryanakca> from what I see
[04:53] <ryanakca> (the redirect page ends up looking like <html><head><title>foo bar howto, version 1</title><meta... redirection...></head></html> )
[04:58] <Riddell> an echo statement in debian/rules might be the best way
[04:58] <Riddell> that way you just have a list of stuff that needs moved
[04:59] <Riddell> for asdf in foo bar baz; do mv ${asdf} HOWTO/${asdf}; echo "meta redirect..." > HOWTO-foo; done
[05:02] <ryanakca> erm...  soo... foo baz baz would be say, subject-HOWTO*
[05:04] <Riddell> yes
[05:05] <Riddell> of course you need to do funky things like double escape the dollars when it's in a makefile
[05:06] <ryanakca> or wait... I don't think that would work...
[05:06] <ryanakca> because of the numbering... each howto has it's own directory
[05:07] <ryanakca> so, all the files of 4mb-Laptop HOWTO go into 4mb-Laptop, all files of SSH-HOWTO go into SSH-HOWTO...
[05:07] <ryanakca> not into a common directory...
[05:07] <ryanakca> and you'd have SSH-HOWTO-1.html, SSH-HOWTO-2.html, SSH-HOWTO.html
[05:09] <ryanakca> SSH-HOWTO* goes into SSH-HOWTO... and then SSH-HOWTO.html redirects to SSH-HOWTO/SSH-HOWTO.html...
[05:09] <ryanakca> would that work?
[05:09] <ryanakca> because all the multipage HOWTO directories are all mixed together in a common directory...
[05:11] <Riddell> for asdf in SSH-HOWTO; do mkdir ${asdf}; mv ${asdf}*.html ${asdf}/; done
[05:12] <ryanakca> s/are all mixed/are already mixed
[05:12] <Riddell> don't do a for loop if that makes it more complex, just list all the mv and mkdir commands, it's still more maintainable than a mega patch or remaking the .bz2 every time
[05:12] <ryanakca> yeah
[05:12] <ryanakca> I just thought if debian had a .bz2 organised, they'd be able to maintain and keep on going organised...
[05:12] <ryanakca> kk
[05:13] <ryanakca> I'll try with the loop
[05:14] <ryanakca> and then just have an entry for each and every HOWTO in rules, and substitute SSH-HOWTO for the name of the HOWTO... kk, thanks
[05:16] <Riddell> certainly tell debian about the changes, once they're final
[05:18] <bddebian> Heya
[05:18] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[05:18] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[05:18] <ryanakca> for asdf in SSH-HOWTO; do mkdir ${asdf}; mv ${asdf}*.html ${asdf}/; echo "<!DOCTYPE bleep>\n<HTML><HEAD>META HTTP-EQUIV=\"Refresh\" ... url=${asdf}/${asdf}.html"></HEAD></HTML>" > ${asdf}.html; done
[05:18] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[05:19] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[05:19] <ryanakca> bddebian: I have another kssh like project on my hands :)
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <ryanakca> oops, echo "<!DOCTYPE bleep>\n<HTML>\n<HEAD>\n<META HTTP-EQUIV=\"Refresh\" ... url=${asdf}/${asdf}.html">\n</HEAD>\n</HTML>" > ${asdf}.html;
[05:20] <nixternal> so what is the new time for the meeting? has it been changed already on the fridge or should i go ahead and do it?
[05:20] <Riddell> nixternal: go ahead
[05:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: /topic
[05:20] <nixternal> thanks
[05:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:21] <nixternal> i read that as august 1st
[05:21] <nixternal> lol
[05:21] <ryanakca> lol
[05:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: would that work?
[05:22] <nixternal> ok fixed
[05:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: dunno, give it a shot and find out :)
[05:23] <Riddell> you missed a \ at .html"
[05:24] <ryanakca> I need url=${asdf}/${asdf}\.html ? kk
[05:24] <ryanakca> nixternal: btw, does gpg-agent + debuild -S -sa work for you?
[05:41] <nixternal> ryanakca: yes
[05:41] <ryanakca> hmm... odd
[05:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: if it doesn't work for you, i think you can do -k<keyid>
[05:42] <ryanakca> it crashes for me.. doesn't ask for passphrase even
[05:42] <nixternal> or is that dpkg-buildpackage im thinking of
[05:42] <nixternal> yes you can use the -k
[05:43] <nixternal> you could also use the DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS configuration file option as described above to avoid having to type the -k option each time you do a sponsored upload.
[05:43] <nixternal> that is from the man page
[05:43] <ryanakca> hmm... works, thanks :D
[05:44] <nixternal> i used to have that problem
[05:44] <nixternal> also ryanakca if you install pinentry-qt when you do that, it should pop up the gui password box instead
[05:45] <nixternal> but i have noticed in the past, if you leave gpg alone, ootb it works perfect, except for some instances of kmail
[05:45] <raphink> anyone knows sbuild well?
[05:47] <fdoving> !anyone
[05:47] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:47] <fdoving> :)
[05:48] <toma> lol
[05:49] <nixternal> haha
[05:49] <fdoving> raphink: what is your problem with sbuild, i setup a buildd once, not that i remeber anything of that, but one could be lucky.
[05:49] <raphink> I'm setting a buildd too
[05:49] <raphink> the problem is with chroots
[05:50] <raphink> sbuild uses chroot-unstable well
[05:50] <raphink> but not chroot-stable, chroot-testing or any other
[05:50] <fdoving> did you follow one of the setup-guides around?
[05:50] <fdoving> i belive there was one at db.debian.org somewhere..
[05:51] <raphink> I checked quite a lot
[05:51] <raphink> I've been trying to set this build farm for about 1 month
[05:51] <raphink> I'm ending up having to put chroots inside chroots
[05:51] <raphink> and still blocked with a few sbuild stuff
[05:52] <raphink> any idea fdoving?
[05:53] <fdoving> hard to say, the only thing i know is that it doesn't work, i have no idea what you've done and so on.
[05:53] <raphink> :(
[05:53] <fdoving> http://kmuto.jp/open.cgi?buildd
[05:53] <fdoving> one guide..
[05:53] <raphink> well for some reason, it seems to be linked to the distribution name
[05:53] <raphink> if I rename the chroot to chroot-unstable instead of chroot-stable and call sbuild with --dist=unstable instead of --dist=stable, it works
[05:53] <raphink> it has to do with the name of the distribution
[06:04] <fdoving> raphink: i have no idea. i used http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up when setting up mine.
[06:06] <raphink> hmmm ok
[06:06] <raphink> the thing is that you can find several recipes on how to set a buildd
[06:06] <raphink> different ways of doing it
[06:06] <raphink> but nowhere does it explain how it works
[06:06] <raphink> there are lots of manuals missing
[06:06] <raphink> so if you're not initiated, it's a bit of a mess
[06:15] <fdoving> there is a mailinglist too..
[06:16] <raphink> where?
[06:18] <fdoving> http://mailman.nocrew.org/pipermail/buildd-disc/
[06:18] <fdoving> looks like it's just spam though.
[06:18] <raphink> thanks
[06:18] <raphink> lol
[06:18] <raphink> indeed
[06:19] <raphink> ok so I'm stuck with that thing that doesn't work :(
[06:20] <Riddell> Lure: digikamimageplugins got in!
[06:20] <raphink> after more than 2 weeks trying to make it work :(
[06:21] <Lure> Riddell: great - so what has kept it back?
[06:21] <Riddell> Lure: soyuz broke http://librarian.launchpad.net/5548495/A5fthh1B20Azq01vNRec2PkDRqa.txt
[06:21] <Riddell> but colin was a hero and fixed it
[06:22] <Lure> Riddell: colin rocks!
[07:01] <Jucato> hi jpatrick! happy new year!
[07:02] <jpatrick> Jucato: happy new year and everything else Jucato!
[07:02] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:02] <jpatrick> still alive
[07:02] <gnomefreak> before a package is oked to go into devel do the devs have to upload a .deb or just debdiff?
[07:03] <jpatrick> gnomefreak: they upload the source package
[07:04] <gnomefreak> hmmm :(
[07:05] <Jucato> nixternal: are you the man for Kubuntu docs?
[07:05] <sebas> Riddell: I think LABEL and UUID support in mountconfig is complete now.
[07:05] <nixternal> Jucato: i guess
[07:05] <sebas> I.e. it can detect a LABEL, UUIDs and can set them up properly in fstab.
[07:06] <sebas> LABEL and UUID -- when not known already -- are being read from HAL.
[07:06] <sebas> Works for me on Edgy, some testing would be nice
[07:06] <sebas> I'm off now, dinner date with Kim
[07:06] <sebas> Cheerios
[07:06] <nixternal> cheerios for dinner ;p
[07:06] <sebas> No, churrasco, supposedly :P
[07:07] <sebas> gotta run
[07:07] <nixternal> oooh
[07:07] <nixternal> have fun
[07:15] <nixternal> Jucato: whats up with the kubuntu docs stuff?
[07:15] <Jucato> oh sorry... getting into a different discussion ehehe
[07:15] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <Jucato> anyway, nixternal, where would be the best place to put up a How to theme Kubuntu guide?
[07:16] <nixternal> the wiki
[07:16] <nixternal> help.ubuntu.com/community
[07:17] <Jucato> ok, not the wiki.ubuntu.com, right?
[07:17] <Jucato> me is still confused about the 2
[07:17] <nixternal> correct
[07:17] <nixternal> wiki.ubuntu.com is supposedly for development use, and the h.u.c/community is for the documentation wiki for the community
[07:17] <nixternal> we have put in a spec to change the domains once again to clarify everything
[07:18] <Jucato> ah... maybe one day the distinction will be clearer..
[07:18] <Jucato> some stuff are in the w.u.c that should be in h.u.c...
[07:18] <nixternal> help.ubuntu.com/community becoming just help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com becoming something like dev.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <nixternal> Jucato: yes, and they will eventually get moved over
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... any process I should follow? guidelines?rules? should I go to #ubuntu-docs and ask these questions?
[07:20] <nixternal> there is a wiki style guide out there somewhere
[07:20] <nixternal> as long as the page is clear and concise, leave out the word newbie, which a lot of people have trouble doing so
[07:20] <nixternal> try not to us first person
[07:21] <nixternal> like the Nvidia docs on teh wiki, they are the worst docs I have seen to date
[07:21] <Jucato> ixternal: here's the guide btw http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html (and I used the 2nd person)
[07:24] <ryanakca> nixternal: if wiki.u.c is for devel use, why not rename it to   dev.ubuntu.com ?
[07:24] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the plan :)
[07:24] <ryanakca> ah
[07:25] <Jucato> it started out as that, iirc
[07:25] <nixternal> Jucato: i really like that kubuntu button on that page
[07:25] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:26] <Jucato> thanks
[07:26] <fdoving> l
[07:26] <fdoving> ops.. wrong keyboard :)
[07:28] <nixternal> heh
[07:31] <Jucato> hm.. I guess I have to take this up tomorrow again... need to go to sleep
[07:33] <nixternal> Riddell: http://contest.qtcentre.org/   <-- possibly a good blog item?
[07:34] <Jucato> g'night guys! :)
[07:34] <fdoving> nite jucato.
[07:35] <Jucato> nite fdoving, nixternal, ryanakca, jpatrick, Riddell
[07:35] <Jucato> heh
[07:35] <nixternal> Jucato: before you go
[07:35] <jpatrick> nite
[07:35] <Jucato> nixternal: yep?
[07:35] <nixternal> if possible, your writeup on the customising the desktop, might be nice to do something in the system documentation with that
[07:36] <nixternal> i will look over it more, and see what we have currently, and then get back with you on that
[07:36] <Jucato> oh ok :)
[07:36] <nixternal> i would like to have that info accessible to people w/o an internet connection as well
[07:36] <nixternal> i.e., KHelpCenter or Konqueror
[07:36] <nixternal> ok, now you can goto bed :)
[07:36] <Jucato> btw, that guide is based on the same guide I made for KDE, which is/will be in KDE 3.5.6 KDE User's Guide
[07:37] <nixternal> sweet
[07:37] <nixternal> then it may already get in there then :)
[07:37] <Jucato> I had to redo it for System Settings references
[07:37] <nixternal> ooh, and im waiting for my svn access as well. i see some trouble coming for kde docs :)
[07:37] <Jucato> lol :)
[07:37] <Jucato> good luck to both of us :)
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe, ditto
[07:38] <Jucato> only that doc made it to 3.5.6
[07:38] <Jucato> ok, really heading for bed now :)
[07:39] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:41] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, I'll publish a dot story at some point
[07:42] <nixternal> i think there is a dot story already, just not published
[07:42] <nixternal> i forgot you were a dot editor as well
[09:46] <Lure> Riddell: last kdebase patch does not apply - http://librarian.launchpad.net/5601419/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.kdebase_4%3A3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu14_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:52] <Riddell> oh fooey
[09:52] <Riddell> well it applied when I wrote it
[09:52] <Riddell> probably I forgot to unapply it
[11:02] <allee> hi. digikamimageplugins fails on ia64 and sparc Anyone knows what this source dependency conflict is about (ia64)? http://librarian.launchpad.net/5604396/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.digikamimageplugins_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:08] <Riddell> has it failed elsewhere?
[11:09] <Lure> Riddell: no, as I just installed it on i386 ;-)
[11:11] <Riddell> then just let the ports buildd admins sort it out
[11:14] <mhb> I've been resizing&symlinking some Human icons so that they can be used in KDE more effectively (just for myself). What do you think - should I try to get those changes in the human-icon-theme package or should we leave Human for GNOME only ?
[11:16] <Riddell> sure, talk to dholbach about it when he's back from holiday
[11:20] <mhb> and another thing - there's a /usr/share/wallpapers dir with wallpapers for KDE and there's a /usr/share/backgrounds dir with wallpapers for GNOME. Can we (somehow) make that one dir?
[11:20] <Riddell> I've tried
[11:21] <Riddell> they weren't very interested
[11:21] <mhb> Riddell: who?
[11:23] <Riddell> the gnome dudes
[11:24] <Riddell> upstream
[11:24] <Riddell> hello shnee
[11:24] <Riddell> of course for KDE 4 I could just change KDE to use backgrounds/
[11:26] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, I wonder why ... I don't see any disadvantages of using one directory
[11:27] <Riddell> well I was also trying to standardise the meta data, which is less important