[12:15] <Mace68> also, is anti-virus really necessary for linux?
[12:15] <hepme> BluesKaj: well im scared to crash again thats why i wanted to burn my files to cd from console before i try to get kde workin again
[12:15] <Alumin> Mace68: depends who you ask
[12:15] <Mace68> lol
[12:15] <hepme> these are critical files i dont have backuped yet
[12:15] <malik_> what is compiz?........and which one is better browser to use in kubuntu edgy ?............opera/firefox/konqi?
[12:15] <Alumin> compiz is a compositing window manager, see XGL
[12:15] <Alumin> better browser depends on your definition of better
[12:16] <BluesKaj> the xserver-xorg reconfigure will halp you get X and your desktop working again , jus follow the instructions and you should be ok
[12:16] <Alumin> Mace68: a lot of people will tell you you don't need AV since programs have to run as root to do damage
[12:16] <Alumin> which is the biggest load of horse**** I've ever heard in my life
[12:16] <malik_> personally i wud like to have opera but it doesnt really function in edgy so im just usin konqi
[12:16] <Mace68> how would a virus propogate in linux? email?
[12:17] <Alumin> same ways it propagates on other platforms
[12:17] <Alumin> well, most of the same ways
[12:17] <Mace68> i guess if one's not reckless there's not much to worry about right?
[12:17] <Alumin> obviously a Linux virus isn't going to propagate via ActiveX exploits :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> most viruses won't run on linux ..is this true ?
[12:17] <Alumin> Mace68: that's true for any platform
[12:17] <Alumin> that's true
[12:17] <ubuntu> hi
[12:17] <Alumin> here's what I'll say about it
[12:18] <zaxone> hi all
[12:18] <Alumin> if you think you need virus protection, platform doesn't matter
[12:18] <Mace68> you have a good point Alumin
[12:18] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: firestarter is a bit like zonealarm, but in this case all its doing is creating some text files and a startup script that tells the Linux kernel how to filter things, the graphical tool isnt needed once you have setup firetsarter so you can turn it off, the firewall will still start in the backgournd
[12:18] <Alumin> people who say viruses on Linux-based platforms don't matter since they don't run as root miss the blatantly obvious point that a virus running as your user identity is the most dangerous kind
[12:19] <zaxone> i want to ask about the "Start" button on the keyboard and how can i use it on (k)ubuntu
[12:19] <Alumin> you think I care whether some virus running as root blows away /usr?
[12:19] <Alumin> I mean yeah, that would be bad
[12:19] <zaxone> can you tell me please?
[12:19] <Alumin> but compared to deleting $HOME
[12:19] <Alumin> zaxone: you need to use xmodmap to map the key
[12:20] <Alumin> zaxone: let me get you a URL
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: I always wondered why they never created an idiot daemon that makes sure apps never go do stupid things
[12:20] <Mace68> Thanks for the info Linux_Galore, and Alumin yes that would be catastrophic
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ok Alumin, do you use firestarter and clamav /
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:20] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: like delete the users /home stuff
[12:20] <Alumin> http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/EnableMultimediaKeys
[12:20] <Alumin> zaxone: that should get you on the right track
[12:21] <zaxone> thank you Alumin for your help
[12:21] <Alumin> BluesKaj: I don't use firestarter because my netfilter knowledge has far surpassed its capabilities :)
[12:21] <zaxone> i wish you happy new year :D
[12:21] <Alumin> I'd use it (or something like it) if I were a newbie though, for sure
[12:22] <Mace68> is klamav the way to go if one wants virus protection then?
[12:22] <Alumin> and ClamAV, no, I use F-Prot for Linux
[12:22] <Linux_Galore> firestarter creates a pretty good set of base rules though, some anti hacking things in there
[12:22] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: yeah, its a start
[12:22] <Alumin> isn't clamav used to disinfect win32 viruses?
[12:22] <Alumin> I mean, I know it runs on Linux platforms but I thought it detected win viruses
[12:23] <Alumin> as a mail filter etc
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: clamav is more to help you protect windows users from virii sent by you to them
[12:23] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: Linux makes a great virii relay for obvious reasons
[12:23] <Alumin> BluesKaj: now, I _do_ use ClamAV on my Wintendo box
[12:23] <Alumin> used to use AVG Free Edition but switched
[12:24] <b0nn> fprot will scan linux
[12:24] <b0nn> although I have yet to see it find anything
[12:24] <BluesKaj> i use avg on windows , but i have firestarter on the kicker but haven't executed it yet
[12:24] <Mace68> what about avast! Linux Home Edition
[12:24] <Alumin> wait did I say fprot
[12:25] <Alumin> god I've been working too long
[12:25] <Mace68> lol
[12:25] <Alumin> I mean I use AVG for Linux at home
[12:25] <Mace68> k
[12:25] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: Ive not use virii filtering in 8 years on 20+ machines, never had an issue
[12:25] <BluesKaj> avg for linux ?
[12:25] <Alumin> and I used to use the Windows version on the gaming box but switched to clamav
[12:25] <Mace68> i don't use it either but have a friend switching to kubuntu that has concerns
[12:26] <Alumin> if your friend has concerns about it, he should install the free version of AVG in my opinion
[12:26] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: its a total wast of time, good user policies (dont run apps as root that you have downloaded from an unknown source) is better
[12:26] <Alumin> I definitely believe that the decision on whether AV software is necessary is platform-independent, though
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: tell him to find a "working" Linux virus
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you can even make money lol
[12:27] <Alumin> Linux_Galore: yeah, so my user-space virus that just blows away your home directory is harmless, right?
[12:27] <malik_> but guys what if some one writes a script and spreads it around?.............. i mean that would cause some problems for linux users, wouldnt it?
[12:27] <Alumin> you can just re-create all those dotfiles I guess :)
[12:27] <Mace68> lol
[12:27] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: you will only have that issue if you install third party apps in an unsecure enviroment
[12:28] <Alumin> define "unsecure environment"
[12:28] <Alumin> if by that you mean "java exploit", then sure
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: randomly grabbing tar balls or plugins
[12:28] <Alumin> I do that every day
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: I dont
[12:28] <Alumin> any given day you could be hit by a brand new exploit of something
[12:28] <Alumin> s**t happens
[12:28] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: aaah "sel" to the rescue
[12:29] <Alumin> I'm just saying why _I_ use AV software...that decision is up to each individual user
[12:29] <Alumin> well, unless you're using Windows
[12:29] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: av stuff will tell you after the fact, sel wont allow it to happen in the first place
[12:29] <Alumin> then it's required, because not having it is just reckless and rude to the rest of the Internet
[12:30] <Alumin> Linux_Galore: having a capabilities-enabled kernel is a huge piece of the puzzle, sure
[12:30] <Alumin> but even your ACLs don't necessarily catch everything
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: you may lose 1 or 2 files but you can setup trigger rules too
[12:31] <Alumin> and doing a full C2-grade permissions audit of a Kubuntu system isn't exactly the usual demographic :)
[12:31] <Linux_Galore> Alumin: sel really needs a nice UI tool
[12:31] <Linux_Galore> right now its a pain
[12:32] <Mace68> talking about selinux?
[12:32] <Linux_Galore> yes
[12:32] <Mace68> k
[12:32] <nikola> hi
[12:32] <nikola> how do i find/install a new theme?
[12:32] <nikola> im new to this :P
[12:32] <yelonek> !pl
[12:32] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:33] <malik_> well fedora uses selinux so would it means that its secure distro than edgy?
[12:33] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: theres also things like tripwire and a few others that will triggers a firewall drop rule on a remote ip if set commands are run ie they try access a root restricted directory it will automatically ban them for a day
[12:34] <Mace68> good to know Linux_Galore, thanks
[12:34] <zaxone> goodbye :)
[12:35] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: good for when you have a few engineers who like to poke around the network
[12:35] <Mace68> lol, yep :)
[12:35] <malik_> well fedora uses selinux so would it means that it is a secure distro than edgy?
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> malik_: only if you know hot to use it, just having it patched in the kernel doesnt mean anything unless you enable it
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> how*
[12:36] <malik_> or all distros are same under the GUI hood?
[12:36] <Linux_Galore> mail_ to some degree yes
[12:36] <fdoving> nite.
[12:36] <jvdimas> sorry i have a quick question, to have ubuntu load KDE by default instead of GNOME what file do i need to edit, i already downloaded all the KDE packages
[12:36] <Mace68> bored engineers = possible danger .. lol
[12:38] <malik_> i am sorry to ask this question but i am a newb to linux and i am liking it..........what sort of course do i need to take to learn linux programming or some level of intermediate knowledge of linux?
[12:39] <EagleOne> So I heard that the topic of discussion is AV for Linux
[12:39] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:40] <jvdimas> thanks
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: just set kdm as the default when it asks
[12:40] <Mace68> was for a bit there EagleOne lol
[12:40] <EagleOne> ok
[12:40] <malik_> i am sorry to ask this question but i am a newb to linux and i am liking it..........what sort of course do i need to take to learn linux programming or some level of intermediate knowledge of linux?
[12:40] <EagleOne> So I missed out. Does it or doesn't it need AV?
[12:41] <TheDebugger> EagleOne: Not for now
[12:41] <EagleOne> aha
[12:41] <EagleOne> thanks
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> malik_: LPI is usually the best
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> malik_: got a link hold on
[12:42] <malik_> thanx
[12:42] <TheDebugger> There's no point for a virus writer to make a virus that targets 5% of the computers..
[12:42] <EagleOne> Rofl
[12:42] <EagleOne> that is the strangest thinking TheDebugger
[12:42] <TheDebugger> No, simple logic
[12:43] <EagleOne> if it only targets %1 then there is a need
[12:43] <TheDebugger> No
[12:43] <EagleOne> not thats illogical
[12:43] <TheDebugger> I'd prefer to target 95%
[12:43] <EagleOne> lol you may
[12:43] <TheDebugger> Which are using windows
[12:43] <malik_> u never know when those idiots workin in MS would go bonkers n spread some thing on linux platform:)
[12:43] <EagleOne> but if that sort of thinking were predominant in this world then we'd all still be in caves
[12:43] <jvdimas> i still have the same problem, the startup screen says Kubuntu, the login screen is KDE based but then it switches to a gnome desktop, am i missing a package?
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> malik_: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/?S_TACT=105AGX03&S_CMP=ZHP
[12:44] <malik_> Linux_Galore: thanx mate
[12:46] <Alumin> TheDebugger: there are multiple multi-arch viruses in the wild as we speak
[12:46] <Linux_Galore> malik_: home page http://www.lpi.org/
[12:46] <Alumin> not to mention, if you can make Sun's JVM do something wicked, you're attacking any platform with a JVM potentially
[12:46] <fdoving> jvdimas: what have you selected under session in the login manager menu?
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> malik_: lpi 101 will allow you to be a basic admin, 102 for a full admin
[12:47] <Alumin> EagleOne: as you might guess, I'm on the other side of that debate :)
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> malik_: are you in Au
[12:47] <jvdimas> fdoving: im going to log out real quick to check, thanks for both you and Linux_Galore's help
[12:47] <malik_> Linux_Galore: how did u know?
[12:48] <EagleOne> sorry Alumin, but for or against AV for Linux?
[12:48] <EagleOne> and is it needed at all
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> malik_: if your in sydney there is a course at granville tafe were they teach Linux
[12:48] <malik_> i have accounts background but i like poking around with computers
[12:48] <Alumin> I think AV is needed regardless of platform
[12:48] <EagleOne> ok Alumin
[12:48] <EagleOne> tx for your view and input
[12:48] <Alumin> lots of people say Linux doesn't need AV since viruses won't be running as root
[12:48] <EagleOne> ok
[12:48] <malik_> Linux_Galore: u r kidding me...................u in sydney too:)?
[12:48] <Alumin> I guess those people don't value the contents of their home directories :)
[12:48] <EagleOne> got that
[12:48] <yelonek> !singularity
[12:48] <ubotu> singularity: A game where one becomes the singularity. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.22-1 (edgy), package size 340 kB, installed size 696 kB
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> malik_: its were I did all my stuff, they have a newbie course for Linux then you can go to the LPI stuff
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> malik_: very cheap
[12:49] <EagleOne> Well I'm getting AVG free for linux right now
[12:49] <malik_> kewlies.........i ll  try that...........
[12:49] <EagleOne> just to be safe
[12:50] <Linux_Galore> malik_: let me get the details for you
[12:50] <Alumin> EagleOne: that's what I use
[12:50] <EagleOne> Ok thank
[12:50] <malik_> besides fedora its the first thing which i am liking even though my tv tuner card and webcam doesnt work under either of them
[12:50] <EagleOne> Just added the firestarter as well
[12:50] <soulrider> hi
[12:51] <malik_> Linux_Galore: or i havent been able to figure it out how to install em properly
[12:53] <jvdimas> yeah thanks, that was my problem, really stupid of me
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> malik_:  http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2006-October/msg00147.html
[12:54] <Graham> Anybody know how I can mount a samba share in /etc/fstab ?
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> malik_: Geoffrey is the teacher, there are a few other now too that teach Linux
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> others*
[12:55] <Tomppa> I'm sort of new to linux things, but I know some basics. I have a question or too about drivers...
[12:55] <malik_> great........they have evening or morning classes?
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> Graham: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Samba
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> Graham: about 2/3 of the way down is an example
[12:57] <Tomppa> First, my GPU, NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, how will it perform in linux compared to windows
[12:57] <Graham> Ok, cheers mate.
[12:57] <Tomppa> can i get equal performance
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> Tomppa: same driver as in windows, they just compile the driver under Linux
[12:58] <Graham> Linux_Galore: When it asks for username and password, what does it want the username and password of?
[12:58] <Tomppa> And my wlan adapter D-Link DWL-122, will I have any problems with that
[12:58] <Tomppa> Good
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> Graham: the remote machine
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> Graham: for the account your using
[12:59] <Graham> Ok, thanks.
[12:59] <jvdimas> Linux_Galore: I actually still have my old gnome menu bar and I don't see any way to get rid of it, is gnome still loading?
[01:00] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: ??, are you sure
[01:00] <jimbo320> hi there all, ive just added a new hdd to my 6.1 edgy system and it boots up to the busybox tty screen, can anyone help plz?
[01:00] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: kde doesnt use the gnome taskbar
[01:01] <excitatory> has anyone noticed the ubuntu Restricted Formats page doesn't have any kubuntu specific information like it always used to?
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: type killall -9 kicker
[01:01] <jvdimas> Linux_Galore: I know, i have the KDE taskbar as well as the gnome taskbar
[01:01] <jimbo320> sorry im a windows to linux newbie convert :)
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: aah you must have started it then logged out
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: kde automatically restarts what you had running when you last logged out
[01:02] <jvdimas> Linux_Galore: that command killed my KDE taskbar
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: ok then to start it type kicker
[01:02] <jvdimas> ahhh OK
[01:02] <jvdimas> ok its back
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: you can disable that in kcontrol
[01:02] <jvdimas> how should i kill gnome though?
[01:02] <jimbo320> if i remove the new hdd it boots up again ok
[01:03] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: hold on
[01:03] <jimbo320> ie into the desktop
[01:03] <jvdimas> i kindof like that feature, but is there any way for it to ignore gnome?
[01:03] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:03] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: hold your horses
[01:03] <Graham> 'lo
[01:04] <tiaraisbored> may i get partitioning help?
[01:04] <Graham> tiaraisbored: What you need?
[01:04] <denis_> hello
[01:05] <Graham> 'lo
[01:05] <gan|y|med> running edgy i can receive mails with kmail, but i cannot send them via smtp (have tried three different servers). it used to work in dapper, network config hasn't changed. a bug related to this (http://www.mail-archive.com/kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg09169.html) doesn't lead to a solution. Any hints?
[01:05] <Graham> gan|y|med: What happens if you use another mail program?
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: ok start kcontrol
[01:06] <tiaraisbored> graham: i'm installing kubuntu on my other laptop, and thought setting the size of the "new partition" meant the new free space, and instead it squished my ntfs space... so i switched to manually editing but now i have no idea what i'm doing and it won't let me create new partitions
[01:06] <jvdimas> Linux_Galore: ok
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: look in the kde components section for Session Manager
[01:06] <Graham> Even though there is free space?
[01:06] <jvdimas> Linux_Galore: ok
[01:07] <denis_> I have 2 problems
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> jvdimas: set it to start with an empty session, then click on apply then log out, then when you have logged back in put the setting back again
[01:07] <denis_> first one is that my Canon is recognized as a mass storage but it cant open the subfolders
[01:07] <denis_> canon powershot a75 digicam
[01:07] <jvdimas> Linux_Galore: ok yeah I got it, thanks so much for your help
[01:08] <tiaraisbored> i have the following partitions now: i re-upsized ntfs to 112GB, i have a 7.8MB "free", 4.87 GB "unknown" where i thought root would go, 31.78GB free "Hidden" and 251.02MB "unknown"
[01:08] <tiaraisbored> i guess the last was for swap?  but it says to make it at least 256
[01:08] <denis_> any hints or experiences with digicams?
[01:09] <Graham> Hard drive partitions need to be bigger than half a gig.
[01:09] <tiaraisbored> i'm trying not to lose xp, although i may alreayd have screwed it up :/
[01:09] <Theory> denis_: digicams as in web cams, or digital still cameras?
[01:09] <tiaraisbored> is there anyway to merge the not ntfs parts and start over?
[01:09] <denis_> digital cameras
[01:09] <Graham> It's XP, its already screwed up.
[01:09] <denis_> muhua
[01:09] <tiaraisbored> well besides that
[01:09] <Theory> denis_: never had any problems
[01:10] <denis_> which one did you use?
[01:10] <denis_> Canon too?
[01:10] <Graham> Start over the editing, make it forget the changes or you'll screw the NTFS partition right over.
[01:10] <Theory> the canon ixus range is nice
[01:10] <tiaraisbored> hasn't it already commited the partitions?
[01:10] <denis_> and did you use it before with xp?
[01:10] <tiaraisbored> that's the current status of my hard drive that i put above
[01:11] <jimbo320> can i move a windows raid 0 pair onto my new edgy install and still be able to see the data?
[01:11] <denis_> as far as I know the format is FAT?
[01:11] <katz> Algum fala portugus aqui ?
[01:11] <jimbo320> ie i have phiscally moved the two drives from one system to the other
[01:12] <Graham> Linux_Galore: That page you gave me, didn't work, I put the command in, a pop-up told me it found a new unmounted medium and the mount point is just a folder. Normally I mount it by doing smbmount //server/Files /media/sf0 and then it would ask me for a password, I wouldn't give one, it'd then let me use it.
[01:12] <denis_> anybody problems with a canon powershot A75 digital camera?
[01:12] <Graham> denis_: What IS the problem?
[01:13] <jimbo320> they arent recognised :(
[01:13] <jimbo320> is the data lost?
[01:13] <denis_> the problem is :
[01:13] <tiaraisbored> i have the option to delete the 4.87 and 251.02 partitions
[01:13] <Graham> jimbo320: No.
[01:13] <denis_> unknown error; wrong parameter
[01:14] <denis_> it says that when I try to open a folder on the memory carfd
[01:14] <rashed> Hello
[01:14] <denis_> hello
[01:14] <Graham> denis_: How have you mounted it?
[01:14] <tiaraisbored> can i use 4.87gb for root, 31.78gb for home, 251MB for swap and be ok, or what?
[01:14] <johnw> hi
[01:14] <jimbo320> Graham, can i read them on my linux box?
[01:14] <rashed> I need help installing kubuntu 6.10
[01:14] <rashed> can any 1 help
[01:14] <rashed> ?
[01:14] <Graham> tiaraisbored: I'd give Swap an extra gig
[01:15] <denis_> hm just put connected the camera via usb to the pc
[01:15] <Graham> jimbo320: What file format are they?
[01:15] <jimbo320> ntfs
[01:15] <denis_> then  a window appeared and asked me what to do
[01:15] <Graham> Do you have NTFS drivers installed?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> Graham: mine looks like this //192.168.1.100/media /media/media cifs username=[username] ,password=[password] ,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0
[01:15] <tiaraisbored> graham: i'm not sure i can resize the 32ishGB partition, why is it "hidden"?
[01:15] <jimbo320> not sure
[01:16] <jimbo320> i have edgy
[01:16] <rashed> while running kubuntu live it asks for live user password. does any1 know what it is?
[01:16] <Graham> Open adept, get ntfs-3g
[01:17] <Graham> tiaraisbored: Is it the NTFS partition
[01:17] <Graham> Linux_Galore: Can you mount it using smbmount?
[01:17] <tiaraisbored> no, but when i deleted the 251 mb it became editable and 'hidden' went away
[01:18] <Graham> I duno, the kubuntu installer makes no sense to me.
[01:18] <gan|y|med> Graham: sorry, was busy
[01:18] <tiaraisbored> i now have listed: 112GB ntfs, 7.8MB free, 4.87GB unknown (needs to be ext3 for root?), 1.5GB swap, 30.52 free
[01:18] <Graham> Me too.
[01:18] <tiaraisbored> GB on the last one
[01:18] <gan|y|med> haven't tried, honestly. don't have another one installed
[01:18] <Graham> What does your hard drive actually look like?
[01:18] <jimbo320> does that work with raid arrays? and amd 64bit distro?
[01:19] <tiaraisbored> what do you mean?
[01:19] <Graham> www.mozilla.org - get thunderbird and tell me what happens, next!
[01:19] <Graham> tiaraisbored: What is your current hard drive setup, what is where, how big is it?
[01:19] <rashed> help please
[01:20] <denis_> seems like I will not find a solution today
[01:20] <tiaraisbored> graham: the current partitions as it read when i last hit "next" on the "manually edit" step are what i listed first, the second list is how i have it set to be changed
[01:20] <intelikey> rashed if you didn't set one there isn't one.
[01:20] <tiaraisbored> it's a 120G drive total
[01:20] <Graham> What partitions do you have? How big are they? What file system are they?
[01:20] <denis_> then I will aks for help for my second problem. my sound doesnt work using amarok or other programs to play music with
[01:21] <intelikey> !sound | denis_
[01:21] <ubotu> denis_: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:21] <Graham> denis_: Got Alsa? Oss? Is your voule turned on? Is your card supported?
[01:21] <Graham> !beep
[01:21] <ubotu> beep: advanced pc-speaker beeper. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.2-18 (edgy), package size 20 kB, installed size 104 kB
[01:21] <Graham> !beep 1
[01:21] <rashed> no actually i botted kubuntu live for the first time and still it is asking for live user password
[01:21] <denis_> alsa
[01:21] <rashed> and can't install it
[01:22] <denis_> yes, it works with flash videos when I watch tem in my browser
[01:22] <rashed> as I can't get access to t
[01:22] <excitatory> has anyone noticed the ubuntu Restricted Formats page doesn't have any kubuntu specific information like it always used to?  [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ] 
[01:22] <jpiccolo> how would i know if i have a firewall running?
[01:22] <tiaraisbored> started with 160GB (not 120, sorry) ntfs, started installing kubuntu, accidentally set ntfs to 36GB instead of making the new empty partition 36GB, then went back, into 'manually edit mode', and resized ntfs back to 112ish
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> Graham: hmm ok then smbfs heh  //192.168.1.100/media /media/media smbfs username=[username] ,password=[password] ,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0
[01:23] <jimbo320> graham, also ive just added a new hdd and it boots up to the busybox tty screen, do i need to edit fstab or something?
[01:23] <Graham> You think that'll work?
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> fstab will run mount by default, if you want to use smbmount your going to have to write a script
[01:23] <tiaraisbored> currently, afaik, it's sitting at 112GB ntfs, 7.8MB "free", 4.87 GB "unknown", 31.78GB free, 251.02MB "unknown"
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> Graham: Im not on your machine/network so i dont have a clue what goofy variables you have set
[01:24] <denis_> no idea?
[01:24] <intelikey> jimbo320 you need to edit /boot/grub/devices.lst  and/or /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:24] <jimbo320> do i that from the busy box?
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> Graham: or you can be lazy and just use "swat"
[01:25] <jimbo320> as it wont boot to a normal xterm
[01:25] <intelikey> jimbo320 no all you need to do from the busybox prompt is mount the root fs
[01:25] <Graham> I don't think that's the problem. When I run that command in console it then asks me for a password, but automaticly It wouldn't be able to ask me, so it'd just cancel.
[01:25] <Graham> swat?
[01:25] <jimbo320> how do i do that intel?
[01:26] <tiaraisbored> current uncommitted changes are: 112GB ntfs, 7.8MB free, 4.87GB unknown (needs to be ext3 for root?), 1.5GB swap, 30.52 free -- does that look right?
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> Graham: yeah, its the UI config/admin tool for samba
[01:26] <intelikey> errr mount it and exit that is.     you may have to mknod the device node first and then mount it.
[01:27] <denis_> good night
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> Graham: not sure if it edits fstab though, been a while since I used it
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> Graham: if you dont want a login prompt just put the account name were password is
[01:28] <bianconeri> Guys I have a Harddisk panic...I mistakenly formatted my 200GB drive...is there any way I could retrieve it??!!!!
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> Graham: //Blues/IonceH /mnt/blues/ioh smbfs rw,user,noauto,uid=homer,giud=homer 0 0
[01:28] <jimbo320> sorry u lost me, im a linux newb...
[01:28] <Graham> I'll try that, if it doesn't work, I'm using SWAT.
[01:29] <intelikey> jimbo320 you added another disk and now linux fails to boot  but it does load the kernel and the initramfs.img   thus the error is in the initramfs.img or grub's addressing of the root fs.  my money is on the latter.        do you have two boxes ?  so you can talk to me while you try to boot that one ?
[01:29] <rashed> need some help here
[01:29] <jimbo320> y im on another linux box
[01:29] <bianconeri> Any body??
[01:30] <intelikey> jimbo320 yes.  and the other box is at the "busybox prompt" ?
[01:30] <tiaraisbored> ugh, if i just cancel the whole thing now, how screwed up am i?
[01:30] <Graham> Linux_Galore: I love you...
[01:30] <tiaraisbored> or can i still install from here?
[01:30] <intelikey> jimbo320 ?
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> Graham: aah it works huh
[01:30] <Graham> I want to marry you and have your babies.
[01:31] <jimbo320> let me boot the other box, gimme 5 mins and ill put it at the busy box
[01:31] <intelikey> ok
[01:31] <intelikey> 5 minutes  ????   eeeek
[01:31] <Graham> Actually I think the problem was uid and guid, they were never really set to anything.
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> Graham: I usually dont use fstab I have a little python program that manages it all for me
[01:32] <kubuntian> I heard that a functionality have been applied to [apt-get / synaptic / ..]    that allow to group install / uninstall operation, does anybody know anything about it?
[01:32] <Graham> I don't usually use fstab :P
[01:32] <Schuenemann> is there an FTP client included in kubuntu?
[01:32] <kubuntian> Schuenemann: konqueror
[01:32] <kalyugi> hi guys....has anyone here used the at command with btdownloadcurses
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: actually there is one built into the desktop
[01:33] <Graham> I don't have any expirience in system programming, only web programming (ASP/PHP)
[01:33] <kalyugi> im trying to shedule a download using at and btdownloadcurses
[01:33] <kalyugi> even shell scripting is failing me. because of time arithmetica
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: kget
[01:33] <intelikey> Schuenemann yes ftp and several other things that can do ftp
[01:34] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: kde can set up both a client and a server side connection (yes you can share a directory as ftp on the fly)
[01:34] <Schuenemann> kget is not installed by default, right?
[01:34] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: was for me
[01:34] <intelikey> wget is
[01:34] <Schuenemann> wget is not ftp, is it?
[01:34] <intelikey> it can get  you need wput to put
[01:34] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann:yeah wget is the command line version of kget
[01:34] <intelikey> but ftp is installed
[01:34] <Schuenemann> whereis kget echoes nothing
[01:35] <Graham> Linux_Galore: Do you reckon I should worry about the fact konquore says it's an unmounted samba share?
[01:35] <intelikey> Linux_Galore you very funny.   kget is afrontend to wget
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: sudo apt-get install kget   very small
[01:35] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: is it like windows filezilla?
[01:35] <Schuenemann> filezilla is free, I thought I'd find it in linux too
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: kget plit from the wget code base a while back from memory
[01:36] <Schuenemann> you know, drag and drop files, anti auto idle
[01:36] <intelikey> Schuenemann you were also told that knoqueror does ftp.
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> split*
[01:36] <Schuenemann> intelikey: yeah, I'm trying konqueror now
[01:36] <intelikey> Linux_Galore oh sorry i slept through that.
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: kget allows simple drag and drop downloads
[01:36] <intelikey> so does konq
[01:37] <Jucato> kget is a download manager, which you can integrate into konqi
[01:37] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yeah but kget has shit more options ie define were set file classes go
[01:37] <jerp> what's the shortcut to innitiate aptitude with ones selections?
[01:38] <Schuenemann> konqueror is not good for this
[01:38] <intelikey> jerp ?
[01:38] <Schuenemann> does not have a console to show status
[01:38] <jerp> yes?
[01:38] <intelikey> aptitude install blah ?
[01:39] <Jucato> Schuenemann: show what status? a dialog box pops up to show the transfer status
[01:39] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: konqueror is ok for basic file transfers but if you want to lets say have it auto save a all tar.gz files to a directory called "sources/"  it wont
[01:39] <jerp> I mean from the interactive terminal graphic
[01:39] <Schuenemann> what's going on, output from your request of creating a directory... those stuff
[01:40] <Schuenemann> anti idle
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: also kget can restart a stopped or broken download
[01:40] <intelikey> Schuenemann ftp  gftp  sftp ncftp gentoo   and others.
[01:40] <alam> hello
[01:40] <jerp> maybe I'm thinking of it doing something it won't, huh?
[01:40] <Jucato> there's also kftpgrabber
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: kget can also have multiple connections to a server too
[01:40] <intelikey> jerp oh something like  select the package and hit   g  ?
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ie too speed things up
[01:40] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: how does kget work? I don't see a "connect" option
[01:41] <jerp> is that it?
[01:41] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ok you install kget first
[01:41] <Schuenemann> I already did
[01:41] <intelikey> i think   but i don't have aptitude installed
[01:41] <Schuenemann> obviously :p
[01:41] <Schuenemann> it asked to integrate with konqueror, I said yes
[01:42] <rashed> hello
[01:42] <intelikey> now try konqueror again.
[01:42] <tiaraisbored> ok, i deleted all partitions, resized ntfs to full size, and now i'll see if window is screwed up (more than normal)
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: just start kget and it will ask if you want to intergrate it
[01:42] <rashed> need some help here
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: with konqueror, say yes
[01:42] <Schuenemann> I chose yes
[01:42] <heapme> i have linux installed already but i'm using the kubuntu livecd to try to burn files (because i can't get KDE to load at all for some reason) how can i read my existing ext3 partition from the livecd?
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: thats it all done
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: now just edit how you want it to work
[01:43] <intelikey> heapme mount it
[01:43] <jimbo320> hi intelikey, im booted up now ! and no prompt this time
[01:43] <Schuenemann> edit what?
[01:43] <heapme> intelikey:  how?
[01:43] <jimbo320> must of sorted itself out somehow
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: look down the bottom there is an arrow in your task bar
[01:43] <intelikey> jimbo320 good no prompt    or bad no prompt ?
[01:43] <Schuenemann> yes, I see that
[01:43] <Schuenemann> an windows like firefox's download manager
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: click on it
[01:44] <rashed> need some help here
[01:44] <intelikey> heapme sudo mount /dev/hd?# /media/<mountpoint>
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: Settings Configure Kget
[01:44] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: I'd like to just test it
[01:44] <jimbo320> y, it booted into the new linux installation i put on the new drive, now if i can mount the old drive ie sdb1/2 i can get the old data off and im sitting pretty
[01:44] <Schuenemann> how do I connect?
[01:45] <BTR> Hi, i cant play .mp3 files, do i need somekind of package?
[01:45] <intelikey> rashed you sure do.  you first need to learn how to converse in irc      we are not mind readers and if you don't want to explain your problem and tell us what you want then we are not interested in trying to pry it out of you with 20 questions
[01:45] <heapme> thanks intelikey!
[01:46] <jimbo320> thanks intelikey
[01:46] <intelikey> np
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: if you look in the Folders tab you can set rules ie were to save set file types  ie file extension  .pdf  can be auto set to save in ~/Downloaded PDF/
[01:46] <dave_> [13:43]  <soulrider> i think i gonna have to install windou$
[01:46] <rashed> ya i ve been trying to do that for last half an hour and didn't get any attention so thought first let me get your attention
[01:47] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: I just want to connect to some FTP, how do I do that?
[01:47] <phobiac> Hmm, well I asked the people at #firefox but they weren't much help so I've stopped by here. Here's my problem, I'm having an issue with firefox not loading .mht files correctly. I'm running 2.0 on kubuntu, and apparently the MAF extension isn't availible for Linux. Anyone have any ideas for what I can do?
[01:47] <intelikey> rashed irc doesn't generally work that way.
[01:47] <rashed> i am trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 but after booting in to live session the installation asks for live user password so help pls
[01:47] <heapme> when i load the livecd does it load into ram disk somehow? because i need to pop the cd out temporarily so i can put a blank cd in to burn
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: in konqueror just type  ftp://whatever
[01:48] <rashed> there u go my problem in on the screen
[01:48] <jimbo320> what happens when i pull out the old drive? do i need to change anything or should it autodetect?
[01:48] <intelikey> rashed i answered that already.  unless you specificaly set one there isn't one.
[01:48] <phobiac> I'd even be satisfied with something that can convert .mht files into a firefox readable format.
[01:48] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: so kget is just to set some preferences?
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: kget will trigger when you click on a downloaded file
[01:48] <intelikey> rashed do this for a test.     open a konsole   and type     sudo echo yes!
[01:49] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: no its manages file transfers
[01:49] <heapme> is it safe to take the kubuntu livecd out of the drive while it's running kde? will it still run
[01:49] <intelikey> if it says     " yes! "  then you don't have nore need a password.
[01:49] <rashed> no i can't even get access to any functionallity user log in screen pops up
[01:49] <slop> help! when i go to System Settings, and click Monitor & Display, i get this message : The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded. The diagnostics is: Possible reasons: 1) An error occured during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module, 2) You have old third party modules lying around. Check these points carefully and try to remove the module mentioned in the error message.  If this fails, consider contacting your
[01:50] <Schuenemann> I don't like using konqueror for that...
[01:50] <Schuenemann> isn't there a client like FileZilla?
[01:50] <HymnToLife> Schuenemann, lots
[01:50] <HymnToLife> !ftp
[01:50] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[01:50] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: a few, might want to look at kbear
[01:50] <intelikey> heapme should be.    but live CD's are not a 'cut and dried' thing  each is made according to an arbitrarry plan the author had in mind.....
[01:50] <Graham> What the hell is filezilla?
[01:50] <Schuenemann> FTP client for windows
[01:51] <rashed> ok thanks for now let me try some thing I might be back
[01:51] <HymnToLife> Graham, FTP client for Windows
[01:51] <intelikey> so if it crashes  then the answer is no.
[01:51] <Schuenemann> so weird FileZilla is open source but available only for windows
[01:51] <Graham> Schuenemann: You use firefox?
[01:51] <HymnToLife> and currently being ported to Linux too, I've heard
[01:51] <Schuenemann> yes
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: if your really anal you can try kftpgrabber -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15343
[01:51] <Schuenemann> anal?
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: lots of control
[01:52] <JohnFlux_> Schuenemann: where the poop comes out
[01:52] <Graham> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2697/
[01:52] <intelikey> Schuenemann did you look at gentoo ?
[01:52] <Graham> Enjoy.
[01:52] <heapme> intelikey: people in #ubuntu say you cant do it, that the cddrive is locked while livecd is running. i need to use it to burn some files on my m ounted ext3 partition though otherwise i'll lose them forever!
[01:52] <Schuenemann> what the?
[01:52] <Schuenemann> intelikey: the distro?
[01:52] <Graham> Schuenemann: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2697/
[01:52] <intelikey> Schuenemann no the app
[01:52] <Schuenemann> nope
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: kbear of kftgrabber are the best Ive seen for ftp stuff
[01:53] <Schuenemann> Graham: I'll check it
[01:53] <notme> I can not get php to work with my drupal installation. Anyone have any advice
[01:53] <notme> ?
[01:53] <Graham> Ok, next!
[01:53] <Linux_Galore> or*
[01:53] <Graham> What do you mean you can not get php to work?
[01:53] <phobiac> heapme: Is it possible for you to copy the files on the ext3 partition to another partition?
[01:53] <heapme> nope
[01:53] <intelikey> heapme hmmmm you should be able to  pivot_root into the installed system and eject the disk.
[01:54] <heapme> pivot_root?
[01:54] <intelikey> ok then maybe not a good idea if you have to ask.
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: apt-get install kftpgrabber
[01:54] <notme> Graham www.ekoshi.net/1/ go there an check it out.
[01:54] <phobiac> heapme: Will unmounting the drive somehow cause you to lose the data?
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: its in the repo
[01:54] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: installing kbear
[01:54] <heapme> phobiac: no
[01:54] <phobiac> Err the partition not the drive
[01:54] <Schuenemann> shorter name
[01:54] <intelikey> pivot_root --help
[01:54] <intelikey> usage: pivot_root new_root put_old
[01:55] <phobiac> Do you have a usb flash drive handy?
[01:55] <heapme> phobiac:  but i have no other way to get the data off besides burning in a GUI and the only way i can get a gui working is the livecd
[01:55] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: try both, there pretty small
[01:55] <phobiac> heapme, do you have a usb  flashdrive handy?
[01:55] <heapme> no
[01:55] <heapme> the only way i can save these files is to burn them to dvd
[01:55] <Deez> any masters here? How do I reset all windows on all desktops to "pay attention" to there special window settings?
[01:56] <intelikey> heapme question.  you are trying to burn a disk correct ?
[01:56] <phobiac> Well if you can get a hold of one, use damn small linux.
[01:56] <Schuenemann> ok, kbear seems nice
[01:56] <heapme> intelikey: no just a few folders
[01:56] <phobiac> I don't know if it has a disc burning utility though.
[01:56] <zeek> whats a good program for ripping dvds into avi? or mpeg
[01:56] <intelikey> heapme will the installed system not boot ?
[01:56] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: its designed to be a simple ftp client
[01:56] <Schuenemann> it just crashed in my first file transfer
[01:56] <Schuenemann> hehe
[01:56] <Deez> zeek, Windows, if you find out differently, let me know
[01:56] <heapme> intelikey: it boots but only to console, kde crashes if i try to load it for some reason and i tried dpk-reconfguring xserver-xorg
[01:56] <intelikey> zeek avi or mpeg       why not free formats ?
[01:57] <heapme> kde was working fine then just decided it wasnt going to work at all anymore
[01:57] <zeek> I don't know, what ever works best
[01:57] <intelikey> heapme what about coping the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from the live to the installed and use it ?
[01:57] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: looks like its not maintained anymore
[01:57] <heapme> i could try but i dont think thats the reason kde is crashing
[01:57] <phobiac> heapme: If you need a gui, and can get a hold of an empty USB stick, get a hold of Damn Small Linux and then use it to boot from the usb. Then the disc drive will be free.
[01:57] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: what version did you end up with
[01:58] <Schuenemann> 1.0
[01:58] <intelikey> heapme oh.   what do you think it is ?
[01:58] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: there is a 3.0 version lol
[01:58] <phobiac> However I would try any simpler solutions you can find.
[01:58] <intelikey> heapme i'm just trying to help you examine your options here.
[01:58] <heapme> intelikey the problem is i have a corrupted ext3 partition, i cant access it from my windows partition anymore, i used ext3 drivers to copy files to ext3 from ntfs and it broke it and then kde stopped workin at the same time
[01:58] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: sorry, 2.1
[01:59] <Schuenemann> I got it from apt-get
[01:59] <heapme> yet i can access it from the console
[01:59] <heapme> or from mounting it in the livecd and my files are in tact
[01:59] <tiaraisbored> can i still have install help?  just for clarification, on the first option to resize your existing partition: when kubuntu says "new partition size", it really means "what size are we going to make your CURRENT partition?" and NOT "what size do you want to make your new kubuntu portion", correct?  after that, will it set up the rest of it's partitions by itself?
[01:59] <intelikey> mmm hmm
[01:59] <Schuenemann> *sigh* I'll try the longer named one
[01:59] <Graham> heapme: What Windows ext3 drivers?
[01:59] <zeek> is acidrip any good?
[01:59] <Schuenemann> kftpgrabber
[01:59] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: looks like the project is stopped in 2004 and kftpgrabber comes on the scene
[01:59] <heapme> Graham something called like ext2fs
[01:59] <heapme> that i got off of sourceforge i think
[02:00] <zeek> firefox's ftp plugin works great
[02:00] <intelikey> heapme try this.   umount the partition and do  e2fsck /dev/hd?#      where ?# is the correct letter and number
[02:00] <phobiac> heapme: It's not possible to reinstall KDE?
[02:00] <heapme> hda3
[02:00] <Graham> heapme: I used that the other day, it fucked up my partition table and I had to reinstall Linux.
[02:00] <intelikey> phobiac yes but lets fix the fs first
[02:00] <jerp> intelikey, yes, that makes it start, I guess I wasn't on the right screen when I last used it.  or I didn't understand to hit it twice.
[02:00] <heapme> Graham:  well im gonna write that guy a letter :P
[02:01] <zeek> is there any tool that will rip the dvd into an ISO
[02:01] <heapme> intelikey: wwhat will e2fsck do, just check it or fix it? i'm scared of breakin my ext3 partioin any more than it already is and not being able to get my files
[02:01] <Graham> It changed the partition type from ext3 to NTFS so grub wouldn't boot... I hate whoever made that...
[02:01] <intelikey> jerp ok  gltyp
[02:01] <jimbo320> hi guys, one more quickly, after i add the mount to fstab do i need to reboot to see the new mount?
[02:01] <jerp> gltyp?
[02:01] <Pirate-king> I got a athlon 500 with 256 megs of ram will kubuntu run on it?
[02:01] <heapme> Graham:  thats evil i'm never using it gain
[02:02] <intelikey> heapme check and if errors ask you if it's ok to fix.
[02:02] <heapme> ok thanks ill try it
[02:02] <Pirate-king> or do I have to run xubuntu?
[02:02] <Graham> I'll probably use it next time I use windows, but I'm not letting it touch my partition table.
[02:02] <heapme> Graham: all i did was copy files from windows to ext3 from it and it broke my linux
[02:02] <Graham> 500Mhz?
[02:02] <Pirate-king> yes
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: this what happens when you use cli for everything lol, you dont keep in touch with the GUI stuff
[02:02] <intelikey> Pirate-king yes nicely.
[02:02] <Graham> Probably, but choppy.
[02:02] <Pirate-king> ok
[02:02] <Graham> I'd use xubuntu just to be safe.
[02:03] <Pirate-king> thank
[02:03] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: what is cli?
[02:03] <Graham> welcome :P
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: command line
[02:03] <heapme> id rather be skilled with cli than gui since its easier to get to a console than a gui, as in my case :/
[02:03] <intelikey> no Graham it'll run quite well on that.
[02:03] <Schuenemann> ahh yeah
[02:03] <Schuenemann> well, kftpgrabber works but does not have that console :/
[02:03] <heapme> like how to burn a dvd from the cli would be great and solve my problems
[02:03] <intelikey> why do people think that you have to have a billion gig of ram and trillion mhz to run linux.....
[02:03] <Graham> I'm not taking CPU advice from a guy who has intel in his name.
[02:03] <Schuenemann> ok, it has
[02:03] <Schuenemann> thanks :D
[02:04] <angasule> Graham: hahaha
[02:04] <intelikey> i run kde on a p1 with 96m ram
[02:04] <Schuenemann> intelikey: you run kubuntu on that?
[02:04] <Graham> I said it'd be choppy because of the slow CPU, I never said it WOULDN'T work.
[02:04] <angasule> I saw a guy running kde 3.x on a 486 :P
[02:04] <intelikey> Schuenemann yes
[02:04] <Graham> The RAM is fine.
[02:04] <angasule> intelikey: with a lot of tweaking, though
[02:04] <Schuenemann> KDE is slow here... and it's a p4 1500 384 ram
[02:04] <Pirate-king> ok I got  P200 with 128 meg of ram
[02:05] <Pirate-king> xubuntu?
[02:05] <intelikey> p1mmx 100mhz    and a few tweeks
[02:05] <Schuenemann> how can you run on a p1?
[02:05] <angasule> intelikey: you can't run kubuntu well with that little ram
[02:05] <intelikey> angasule bull crap.
[02:05] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: define slow, Im on a P4 2.8 512mb and its pretty fast
[02:05] <angasule> Schuenemann: then you have some problem, that computer should run kubuntu well
[02:05] <Graham> It's like Ubuntu, only with x instead of Gen... whatever it's called.
[02:05] <heapme> intelikey: uh stupid question again, how do i unmount the ext3 partition? just unmount /media/<mnt point> ?
[02:05] <Graham> Gnome that's the one!
[02:05] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you can edit the performace stuff
[02:05] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: slower than win XP, slower than gnome
[02:05] <Schuenemann> where?
[02:06] <jimbo320> i added /dev/sdb1 /media/mnt ext3 defaults 0 0  to fstab and cd'ed into /media/mnt and the data isnt there!
[02:06] <Schuenemann> faster than suse, though
[02:06] <angasule> Graham: I doubt you run plain X ;)
[02:06] <jimbo320> am i doing something stupid?
[02:06] <Schuenemann> Graham: gnome is ugly
[02:06] <intelikey> right my ram usage is   30m  and i'm running blackbox with battel for wesnoth in it  and this irc chat and a web browser.    don't tell me you have to have tons of ram.
[02:06] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: in konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror   look for the Performance icon on the right
[02:06] <heapme> gimp is ugly and gnome is based on the tool kit that created gimp , so yeah :p
[02:07] <intelikey> got that    30M used ram.  no swap.
[02:07] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: also you might want to make sure you have kde 3.5.5 installed its allot faster than the default
[02:07] <intelikey> read 'em and weep.
[02:07] <angasule> intelikey: blackbox isn't kde, though
[02:07] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: it only offers 3 options
[02:07] <dope> what's the best php editor?
[02:07] <heapme> qt apps are purdy even on windows ports. gtk not so much, especially the tooltips that stay on the screen when they shouldnt
[02:07] <heapme> dope vim
[02:07] <Schuenemann> KDE 3.5.2
[02:07] <intelikey> heapme sorry its   umount   not unmount
[02:07] <angasule> heapme: besides the possible ugliness related to gimp, the gnome devs have some ideas about UI that I don't agree with
[02:08] <Schuenemann> dope: eclipse with phpeclipse
[02:08] <intelikey> angasule correct it's not.  kde makes the same setup 48m
[02:08] <intelikey> i have checked.
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yeah, you need to set the kde355 repo up in adept
[02:08] <Schuenemann> which is it?
[02:08] <intelikey> and btw  10m of that is the game that's running.
[02:08] <dope> is there another way to get out of insert mode besides pressing the escape key?
[02:08] <jerp> is there a way to change the colors in the aptitude terminal?   my eyes are bleeding
[02:08] <Graham> dope: Do you need a fancy PHP editor? Just use kwrite or something.
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ok in the Performance section just turn on Preload and set it to 2
[02:09] <intelikey> dope hit the insert key ?
[02:09] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: why 2? currently is 1
[02:09] <angasule> intelikey: I have seen battle for wesnoth (actually, I think I finished the main campaign), it's not an advanced game exactly, it's turn based and 2d
[02:09] <intelikey> angasule correct.  and ?
[02:10] <dope> intelikey: like when you hit "i" in normal mode you go to insert mode.  is there another way to get back to normal mode?
[02:10] <Schuenemann> load an instance after kde startup?
[02:10] <intelikey> still uses 10m of ram. angasule
[02:10] <intelikey> dope if the insert key doesn't do it then no.
[02:11] <heapme> intelikey:  i ran 'sudo e2fsck /dev/hda3' and it just said /dev/hda3: clean, 113175/9437184 files, 5218554/18868342 blocks
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you on edgy or dapper ?
[02:11] <intelikey> heapme add -f   to force it to check it.
[02:11] <Schuenemann> dapper
[02:11] <angasule> dope: hitting ESC will go back, i/insert and a few other keys will get you into insert mode
[02:12] <heapme> intelikey:  ok doing it, what are the odds that if it was corrupted that e2fsck could fix it so i dont have to reinstall do you think?
[02:12] <jimbo320> ok mount -t /dev/sdb1 /media/mnt did the trick
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[02:13] <jimbo320> is there a way to 'exec' fstab, rather than rebooting
[02:13] <heapme> i dont think ive ever successfully repaired anythin in my computer life. i *always* end up having to reinstall to fix things :(
[02:13] <intelikey> heapme pretty good i'd say.   you may have to reinstall kdebase  or kdecore   but probably not a full reload.
[02:13] <heapme> but im new to linux maybe its more repairable than windows
[02:13] <heapme> cool
[02:14] <intelikey> heapme yes being modular (apps not tied to the system.) gives it many advantages.
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: just add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main   in with adept
[02:14] <intelikey> jimbo320 yes.
[02:15] <stdin> jimbo320: sudo mount -a
[02:15] <intelikey> you don't exec it but you re-read it.   sudo umount -a ;sudo mount -a
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: 3.5.2 was ver laggy I must agree
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> very*
[02:15] <intelikey> or sudo mount -a -o remount
[02:16] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: my KDE is not in english, will that install the translated version?
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yep
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it wont change the language settings
[02:17] <ruben> hola gente
[02:17] <ruben> alguien me puede echar una mano?
[02:17] <Schuenemann> !es | ruben
[02:17] <ubotu> ruben: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:17] <jimbo320> haha thankS!
[02:17] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore:  I added, now what?
[02:18] <jimbo320> what about rebooting the KDE?
[02:18] <jimbo320> similar shortcut?
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: update everything, also not you may want to run  sudo dpkg --configure -a   when its finnished just to make sure
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> note*
[02:18] <ruben> solo quiero saber como se pueden instalar programas en el linux kubuntu
[02:19] <Schuenemann> ugh... I got an error when I tried to update
[02:19] <Jucato> !es | ruben
[02:19] <ubotu> ruben: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:20] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: click on fetch updates first
[02:20] <Schuenemann> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu;org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key might not be available
[02:20] <intelikey> i suppose i should appoligize the rant eariler.   it has never ceased to amaze me how people these days will blurt out "that old peace of junk, you need the latest..."  when the latest is usually in my openion only slightly if any better than the older.   and the fact that the old was the latest and greatest means nothing because of the "assumed" improvements.    i don't know where that foolish attitude comes from....
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: aaah need to add a signature two stages to this
[02:21] <phobiac> Intelikey: Didn't /wc
[02:21] <intelikey> perhaps it's the advertizments we are bombarded with...
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: 1. wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:21] <Schuenemann> :/
[02:21] <Schuenemann> done
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: 2. sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:21] <Schuenemann> that's in the link you sent me :)
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> yep
[02:22] <Jucato> Schuenemann: you're on Dapper?
[02:22] <Schuenemann> yes
[02:22] <Jucato> ah
[02:22] <Jucato> ok that explains it :)
[02:22] <Schuenemann> I'll install edgy when I have the time
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: do it fresh, dont update unless your mental
[02:22] <Graham> Edgy is 6.10 right?
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> yep
[02:23] <Schuenemann> at least edgy has firefox 2
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: adding ff2 to dapper is a no brainer
[02:23] <Graham> Honestly, If I ever meet the man who comes up with these dumb-ass names I'm going to injure him!
[02:23] <Schuenemann> no brainer means it easy?
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yeah
[02:24] <Schuenemann> I installed it manually, following a tutorial
[02:24] <Graham> Schuenemann: Obviously not...
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: depends how you do it
[02:24] <Schuenemann> now I have adept asking me to donwload updates for firefox 1.5
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: remove ff 1.5
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it wont update whats not installed
[02:25] <intelikey> i installed hoary and had to fix things that didn't work....   then i installed dapper and had to fix things that didn't work...   i'm sure that if i were to install fisty when it releases i'd have to fis things that didn't work...   so what is the big improvement  except that if you buy new hardware, the new system might support more of it ?
[02:25] <Schuenemann> let's solve this kde issue first :)
[02:25] <Schuenemann> upgrading
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it will take a while
[02:26] <Schuenemann> oh shit
[02:26] <Schuenemann> it's upgrading firefox 1.5
[02:26] <Schuenemann> it already did
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: hah, told you to remove it first
[02:27] <Schuenemann> lol
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: takes 4 seconds to remove later, no biggie
[02:29] <heapme> intelikey: ok i can e2fsck -f on my ext3 partition and it just said /dev/hda3: 113175/9437184 files (2.8% non-contiguous), 5218554/18868342 blocks
[02:29] <Schuenemann> can I record the kubuntu ISO on a DVD?
[02:30] <intelikey> heapme ok the fs is in good shape.  you need to boot that system.   do you have two boxes so you can work on it and still talk in here ?
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: sure
[02:30] <intelikey> heapme or do you know how to use irssi ?
[02:30] <Schuenemann> I downloaded the cd ISO, about 700 mb
[02:30] <heapme> i know how to use irssi
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: use k3b
[02:30] <intelikey> ok you can use the 6 login consoles and talk here and also admin the system.
[02:31] <Schuenemann> yeah I did it on a CD, but a guy took it and didn't return
[02:31] <heapme> what am i going to try to do though?
[02:31] <heapme> reinstall kdecore?
[02:31] <intelikey> boot the system   and if kde wont start login to a console and come in irssi and we'll go from there.
[02:32] <heapme> k i'll be back in a few minutes ;) thanks
[02:32] <BTR> is there any irc terminal program? and now, i dont feel like reading the raw packets in telnet:p
[02:32] <BTR> -w
[02:32] <Schuenemann> IRC client?
[02:32] <Jucato> irssi
[02:32] <BTR> Yes, an IRC client
[02:33] <Schuenemann> konversation, kopete, xchat, bitchx
[02:33] <intelikey> BTR irssi is installed by default i think    bitchx epic xchat-text are also avalable
[02:33] <BTR> how do i run irssi from the terminal
[02:33] <intelikey> irssi
[02:34] <intelikey> and /server irc.freenode.net
[02:34] <BTR> ahh, thanks:)
[02:34] <intelikey> and /join #kubuntu
[02:35] <BTR_> Thanks:)
[02:35] <intelikey> could all be an arg  like  -c'#kubuntu'-s'irc.freenode.net   or some such.
[02:35] <intelikey> irssi -c'#kubuntu' -s'irc.freenode.net'   <--- is it -s  i don't use irssi ?
[02:36] <BTR> Thats worth alot! i had a problem recently where x wouldnt run proberly, and im totally new to linux, so i had no other option than to reinstall! now i can come here and ask forhelp anyway:)
[02:36] <Schuenemann> why bother? konversation is there
[02:36] <Schuenemann> BTR: try konversation too
[02:36] <intelikey> btr yep.
[02:36] <Jucato> Schuenemann:  <BTR> Thats worth alot! i had a problem recently where x wouldnt run proberly,
[02:36] <Schuenemann> nevermind
[02:36] <Jucato> :)
[02:37] <BTR> Excactly, im using Konversation:)
[02:37] <Schuenemann> nevermind then :)
[02:37] <Jucato> my personal suggestion: get to know some of the CLI alternatives installed by default in Ubuntu, just in case: irssi, w3m, and nano/vim
[02:37] <Schuenemann> :/
[02:38] <BTR> Coming from windows, i must say, the kubuntu/ubuntu channels have given me such a great support! no 'omgz0r newb' comments, i really appriciate it!
[02:38] <Schuenemann> yeah
[02:38] <Schuenemann> one more reason I quit using suse
[02:39] <intelikey> ya blinking newBEEEE  go away...
[02:39] <intelikey> :)
[02:39] <rance> ok, well not as many newbie comments anyway :)
[02:39] <BTR> :p
[02:39] <intelikey> just so you don't feel out of place BTR
[02:39] <Jucato> BTR: omg j00 r t3h n00b! :P
[02:40] <Jucato> satisfied? hehehe
[02:40] <intelikey> now he ought to feel right at home. :)
[02:40] <zhiyuan> I've succesfully installed Java 1.5.0; I know it works (javac works, /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun exists, etc), but when I try to install Netbeans, the installer keeps telling me that no JDK exists. Does anyone know how I can make it see the existing JDk install?
[02:41] <stdin> zhiyuan: you need to install sun-java5-jdk (you probably only installed sun-java5-jre)
[02:41] <intelikey> wb lajene
[02:41] <zhiyuan> stdin: no, trust me, I installed the jdk. "javac" works, and "javac -version" returns the right thing.
[02:41] <BTR> was'nt worth installing windows anyway:p
[02:42] <intelikey> sure it is.
[02:42] <Jucato> not sure if "sudo update-alternatives --config java" would work...
[02:42] <intelikey> BTR just read this http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[02:42] <Schuenemann> java 5 is ok, java 6...
[02:43] <Schuenemann> Jucato: it sucks to update each of those entries
[02:43] <intelikey> i'm concerned that heapme got hung out to dry, and the console was too forboding
[02:43] <Schuenemann> there are over 30
[02:43] <Jucato> Schuenemann: it sucks more to update everything, when you don't know what you're updating :)
[02:44] <heapme> nope ! i made it :D
[02:44] <Schuenemann> Jucato: isn't there a way to auto-update everything relaterd?
[02:44] <Schuenemann> related*
[02:44] <intelikey> heapme in or out of kde ?
[02:44] <Jucato> related to java?
[02:44] <Schuenemann> yes
[02:44] <heapme> intelikey: i didnt try to go in kde, i know it will just crash as it has the last 3 reboots :[
[02:44] <Jucato> there's only one command for updating java alternatives
[02:45] <Schuenemann> one?
[02:45] <stdin> zhiyuan: I found a help page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Netbeans
[02:45] <intelikey> heapme ok login a second console and type 'startx'
[02:45] <Schuenemann> you need to do that for java, javac, etc
[02:45] <Jucato> Schuenemann: "sudo update-alternatives --config java" afaik
[02:45] <heapme> k
[02:45] <stdin> zhiyuan: it says "If Netbeans is unable to find JDK try appending -is:javahome /usr/lib/jvm/java-* to the install command."
[02:45] <Jucato> hm..
[02:45] <Schuenemann> Jucato: what is afaik?
[02:45] <Jucato> as far as I know
[02:46] <intelikey> heapme use [alt] +[f#]    where # is any of 1 2 3 4 5 6    you should be in tty1 now.
[02:46] <Jucato> Schuenemann: I don't see any javac here...
[02:46] <Jucato> (maybe because I don't have jdk installed?)
[02:46] <heapme> intellikey. Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0
[02:46] <Schuenemann> yes
[02:46] <heapme> intelikey: kde isnt loaded but the gui login screen is on alt+F7
[02:46] <Schuenemann> for jre there are few
[02:46] <zhiyuan> Ah, thank you stdin :) But actually, Jucato's suggestion worked. All I needed to do was call update-alternatives for "java"
[02:46] <Schuenemann> maybe javaws
[02:46] <zhiyuan> But that is a useful link anyway!
[02:46] <zhiyuan> Thank you
[02:46] <intelikey> heapme ok do this   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:46] <intelikey> then try again.
[02:47] <Schuenemann> Linux_galore_: hey, it's finishes
[02:47] <Schuenemann> finished*
[02:47] <Jucato> Schuenemann: I think "java" pretty much covers it
[02:47] <stdin> zhiyuan: ahh, while Jucato was helping you, I was off searching the wiki and didn't see it :p
[02:47] <Schuenemann> Jucato: surely not, you need many of others
[02:47] <Schuenemann> talking about JDK, of course
[02:48] <Schuenemann> using galternatives help, but it's still very boring
[02:48] <heapme> intelikey: ok that loaded a blank screen with just an x mouse cursor and thats it
[02:49] <intelikey> heapme hmm ok.   it should have tried to start kde as well   look in that tty and see if there is messages about it
[02:49] <heapme> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom
[02:49] <heapme> Error opening /dev/wacom : Success
[02:49] <intelikey> not an issue skip the wacom errors.
[02:50] <heapme> (**) RADEON(0): Ok, leaving now...
[02:50] <heapme> it had mostly RADEON lines
[02:50] <Schuenemann> Linux_galore_: you're still there?
[02:50] <heapme> that was the last of them
[02:50] <intelikey> that's odd.  ok x still running ?
[02:50] <stdin> intelikey: when I run startx it doesn't try to start kde either, I know it used to tho
[02:50] <stdin> (an a previous install)
[02:51] <intelikey> stdin yeah we are about to add to it.
[02:51] <BTR> intelikey: Thats a funny review:p
[02:51] <intelikey> BTR yes and did you click any of the links in it ?
[02:52] <intelikey> BTR you may want to revisit that sometime.
[02:52] <intelikey> heapme ?
[02:52] <intelikey> that answers that.
[02:52] <BTR> intelikey: Very few, is some of them worth visiting?:)
[02:52] <intelikey> yes
[02:52] <main> can anyone point me into the direction of the technical help channel :P?
[02:53] <intelikey> heapme ok is x running ?
[02:53] <intelikey> main this is about it.
[02:53] <heapme> intelikey: ok that happens every single time. i can press alt+f1 to go to the console from the kdm login screen, but if i log back into it with alt+f7 it refuses to ever let me alt+f1 back to console again and my only hope is to reboot
[02:53] <heapme> which is what it did when i tried to load kde and with just the startx
[02:53] <heapme> it does it exactly the same way each time :/
[02:54] <heapme> it only gives me one chance to get to console, wont let me switch back and forth
[02:54] <main> just trying to find the first steps for wine and to actually have it run games
[02:54] <intelikey> heapme ok that's cause x resets the keyboard.  use   alt+SysRQ+R to reset it and it will let you out.
[02:54] <heapme> i tried that
[02:54] <heapme> no sysrq worked but alt-syrq+k and +b
[02:54] <intelikey> you not r ?
[02:55] <heapme> i tried rseiu first
[02:55] <heapme> they dont respond
[02:55] <intelikey> hmmmm
[02:55] <intelikey> r should just reset the keyboard   then you can alt+ctrl+f#
[02:55] <heapme> hmm
[02:55] <intelikey> i have had to do that....
[02:56] <heapme> maybe it did work and i didnt notice then heh
[02:56] <heapme> lemme try again :)
[02:56] <heapme> live and learn
[02:56] <intelikey> but anyway if x is running do this.
[02:56] <heapme> the more linux challenges me like this the more i wanna use and conquer it. i dont want to go back to my windows comfort zone
[02:56] <intelikey> export DISPLAY=':0' ;startkde
[02:56] <heapme> hopefully that will work because i really hate having to reboot without unmounting my filesystem properly :/
[02:57] <Schuenemann> heapme: wow, you're nuts
[02:57] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:57] <main> hehe i just want 2 games to run on linux and i dont understand the non lame-mans terms in the forums :P
[02:57] <Graham> main: What games?
[02:57] <intelikey> Schuenemann nuts or hooked   either way there is no hope for him....
[02:57] <main> WoW and a java script game that i already got to work :P
[02:57] <Schuenemann> heeh
[02:57] <main> WoW is being the pain atm tho
[02:58] <Schuenemann> javascript game? yuck
[02:58] <Graham> I think he just means Java, either way, WoW.
[02:58] <main> it was my first attempt and i actually knew java coding :P
[02:59] <main> it was a class project actually just trying to get WoW to work
[02:59] <Schuenemann> yeah, he meant java, not javascript
[02:59] <Graham> Tried Cedega?
[02:59] <Graham> http://www.transgaming.com
[02:59] <heapme> nuts and hooked :)
[02:59] <Schuenemann> is cedega free yet?
[02:59] <main> im use to my run command and my cmd and cant find it on linux :P
[02:59] <stdin> main: there is a wine channel you can ask in if you can't find help here, #WineHQ
[02:59] <main> ahh thank you
[03:00] <main> could anyone help a first timer set up wine for WoW  please
[03:01] <Schuenemann> wine for WoW? that does not smell good
[03:01] <BTR> main: Try the Wine channel
[03:01] <intelikey> heapme one could make a trap-door like this     >>>  sleep 30 ;sudo killall startx ;killall Xorg killall X    <<<  as one line then test  it would time out in 30 seconds and kill x for you.
[03:01] <heapme> intelikey: when i startx it doesnt do anythin but show that blank screen (with like a moire pattern) and the 'x' cursor. but right clicking doesnt bring up a menu or anything to be able to load an xterm. or can i just type that export command in the VC?
[03:01] <main> lmao
[03:01] <main> okay i need to first install wine and need help :P
[03:01] <intelikey> heapme ok and X is running now ?
[03:01] <Schuenemann> sudo apt-get install wine
[03:01] <heapme> it seems to be
[03:01] <Schuenemann> then go to the channel
[03:01] <Graham> main: grab it from the Ubuntu repository.
[03:01] <intelikey> ok do this
[03:01] <intelikey> export DISPLAY=':0' ;startkde
[03:02] <main> ive been looking for the repository posts on forums and all i found were not for starters
[03:02] <intelikey> we want those error messages.
[03:02] <Schuenemann> !universe
[03:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:03] <heapme> intellikey do that from a vc while x is running?
[03:03] <heapme> i dont know shell stuff yet
[03:03] <intelikey> yes  and  maybe i should have added       > startkde.error 2>&1
[03:03] <intelikey> so even if it hangs you can still have the messages.
[03:03] <Graham> I don't like Transgaming as a whole, why should I pay extra just so a game will work when I've already paid for the game?
[03:04] <intelikey> brb in 2 minutes.
[03:04] <heapme> intellikey ok that printed some error messages. see you when you get back
[03:05] <Schuenemann> Graham: because the game was not made for your OS?
[03:06] <mtv> how to i allow "users" to eject cdrom?
[03:06] <intelikey> back
[03:06] <heapme> intelikey: ok it printed about 30 lines worth of error messages, mostly about XLib and the first error was Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[03:06] <intelikey> mtv they should be able to
[03:06] <motto> Hey all I'm new to Kubuntu and I was wondering if anyone knew how to change your location on the terminal?
[03:07] <heapme> cd?
[03:07] <stdin> mtv: maybe you need to add users to the cdrom group
[03:07] <mtv> i added them to the cdrom group
[03:08] <mtv> i will be right back i will check and see the exact text it gives me
[03:08] <intelikey> heapme hmmm  ok save the errors.  and see if you can pastebin them   errr you don't have gpm do you...
[03:08] <intelikey> ahhh thinking.
[03:08] <heapme> i have gpm, i can paste
[03:08] <intelikey> ok pastebin the errors
[03:08] <heapme> will pastebin work from links?
[03:09] <stdin> mtv: and are the permissions on the cdrom device set to read-write?
[03:09] <intelikey> yes
[03:09] <heapme> cool, ok brb
[03:09] <mtv> let me check
[03:09] <intelikey> links2 paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:09] <stdin> make sure group is set to read-write
[03:10] <intelikey> stdin i thought eject was suid   perms shouldn't matter ?
[03:10] <heapme> intelikey: one problem, it now refuses to let me shift+pgup to scroll back to see the errors. should i run the export command again?
[03:11] <intelikey> heapme yes use the redirrect i gave.... here i'll put it in one line for you.
[03:11] <stdin> intelikey: mine isnt: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 19276 2006-11-24 08:31 /usr/bin/eject
[03:11] <intelikey> export DISPLAY=':0' ;startkde | less 2>&1
[03:11] <mtv> well its working now.  Seems when i sudo mounted the cdrom, the user was not allowed to unmount it
[03:11] <heapme> smart
[03:11] <mtv> its working fine now though
[03:12] <stdin> you shouldn't need sudo to mount the cdrom, as long as fstab is setup for it
[03:13] <murchadh_bhaba> Sudo on, sudo off! We all learn this way....
[03:13] <mtv> lol
[03:13] <stdin> i.e. it has users in the option
[03:13] <intelikey> stdin i stand rekrected i guess.  and looking at perms on mine wont show anything i'm mounted nosuid....
[03:14] <heapme> intelikey: that doesnt work when i pipe to less for some reason, it just ends up blanked out and wont let me scroll up
[03:14] <heapme> guess i'll just do > pastebinthis.txt
[03:14] <heapme> or will that not work?
[03:14] <intelikey> you can use > file
[03:14] <intelikey> yeah that'll work.
[03:14] <main> ige this error when i try and run adept "
[03:14] <main> Could not launch menu item
[03:14] <main> Details: Failed to execute child process "kdesu" (No such file or directory
[03:15] <main> get this*
[03:15] <stdin> you can use 'command 2> file' to just get errors
[03:15] <heapme> intelikey: weirdly not working, theres 0 lines in the pastebinthis.txt file
[03:15] <intelikey> but you will probably need 2>&1  cause errors maybe on stderr
[03:15] <heapme> 2>? ok leme try
[03:15] <stdin> or just check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:15] <main> its installed and trying to get to repositories
[03:16] <intelikey> stdin it's not xorg its startkde that is burping out the errors.      and x runs ok.
[03:16] <stdin> ahh
[03:16] <stdin> well the 2> file will work
[03:16] <BluesKaj> just cleaned house in the sources list...gawd what a mess :)   anyway I have mostly everything i need
[03:16] <heapme> yeah 2> worked
[03:17] <intelikey> heapme also the output of ps -A x   please.
[03:18] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba you liked that did ya ?
[03:18] <intelikey> :)
[03:18] <heapme> ok
[03:18] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey: It's why I'm here.......
[03:18] <intelikey> lol
[03:19] <heapme> ut oh. gpm doesnt seem to want to paste to pastebin. i hit enter in links to go into insert text mode but nothin happens when i right-click
[03:19] <intelikey> actually i have a script for the console that will check spelling...  i have to have or you could understand nothing i try to say.
[03:20] <intelikey> heapme hold the shift and right click.
[03:20] <heapme> doesnt work
[03:20] <heapme> should i dcc you
[03:20] <intelikey> in apps that accept gpm input you have to shift to paste.
[03:20] <intelikey> you can.
[03:21] <heapme> yeah cuz shift isnt doing it
[03:21] <intelikey> yeah just send the file/s
[03:22] <intelikey> /dcc send intelikey filename
[03:22] <heapme> i know that much at least ;p
[03:22] <esaym> grrrr anyone here good with cron?
[03:22] <esaym> * /2 * * * 	root	/usr/local/awstats/wwwroot/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
[03:23] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba lol        lol  some more...
[03:23] <esaym> any reason why that would be spitting out errors about bad hour and bad minute
[03:23] <intelikey> three large chuckels and a box of razons
[03:24] <heapme> intelikey:  whoa, when i run ps -X a it freaks out and scrolls forever saying something like /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-id
[03:24] <stdin> esaym: I don't think you need the / before the 2
[03:24] <heapme> i can't paste it because gpm just isnt working at all for me now, not even to paste to irc like i was doing before
[03:24] <esaym> I want it to run ever 2 hours
[03:24] <esaym> i think that means you put the / in front
[03:24] <intelikey> heapme ah you found a runaway process.
[03:24] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey: Guess they didn't like it over in #ubuntu 'cos of the K!
[03:24] <intelikey> lol
[03:25] <intelikey> could have used c  or c++  :)
[03:25] <murchadh_bhaba> hehehheeee!
[03:25] <intelikey> heapme sudo killall /usr/bin/dbus-daemon
[03:26] <intelikey> heapme now see what ps -A x   says
[03:26] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: dont forget to run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:26] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba spice is the live of     no i messed that one up... nm
[03:27] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: no output from that?
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: good
[03:27] <esaym> ohhh i think the command is */ no just /
[03:27] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: so, it's done?
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: its a just in case thing
[03:27] <esaym> not* just /
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yep log out and back in again
[03:28] <Schuenemann> k, brb
[03:28] <stdin> esaym: that look more like it, was just reading 'man 5 crontab'
[03:28] <intelikey> heapme ?
[03:28] <esaym> give me a minute and I will see what the cron log says when it up dates....
[03:28] <intelikey> me wonders if heapme got ran over by a runaway dbus daemon   ???
[03:29] <intelikey>  /
[03:29] <esaym> yes she's good!  BAM
[03:29] <heapme> intelikey: that was crazy. i typed ps -A x and it scrolled forever saying somethign about  /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-id or somethin
[03:29] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: well, I had a problem if desktop auto-align and it's gone
[03:30] <intelikey> heapme you didn't see my answer ?
[03:30] <intelikey> heapme sudo killall /usr/bin/dbus-daemon
[03:30] <heapme> then it refused to let me type on my keyboard anymore, so i typed sysrq+R and it just said 'keyboard mode set to XLATE' but wouldnt let me type. then i had to reboot with sysrq+b :/
[03:30] <Schuenemann> problem with*
[03:30] <heapme> no
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yeah, some files will be flushed because they conflict with the new version
[03:30] <heapme> i didnt thin you even got my message it didnt echo it
[03:30] <intelikey> yeah that's a runaway process.
[03:31] <heapme> intelikey:  ok i ran that
[03:31] <heapme> never seen that before
[03:31] <heapme> anarchy on my system
[03:31] <BluesKaj> linux anarchists !
[03:31] <heapme> never even heard of dbus-daemon
[03:31] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: I still have firefox 2, luckily
[03:31] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you may have to re initiate some of your settings
[03:31] <intelikey> do this   if you have it killed now.     sudo apt-get install --reinstall dbus kdbus
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yeah, it wont effect that
[03:32] <BluesKaj> linux anarchist -demons,not daemons :)
[03:32] <Schuenemann> everything is fine up to now
[03:32] <heapme> ok
[03:32] <heapme> do you think thats what messed up kde?
[03:32] <intelikey> heapme runaway processes can really cause a problem.
[03:32] <Schuenemann> well, thanks again
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: should be faster now and more stable
[03:33] <heapme> wonder what caused a runaway process, this is a fresh install of kubuntu for the most part, i havent done anythin crazy to it
[03:33] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: X was loaded faster, I don't know if that's because if didn't start the whole system
[03:33] <intelikey> heapme wouldn't doubt it.  but that may not be all that we have to fix.
[03:33] <Schuenemann> because I*
[03:33] <Schuenemann> damn, I'm typing horribly
[03:33] <heapme> ok i reinstalled dbus-daemon
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yeah, it will load faster because X wasnt restarter
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> restarted*
[03:34] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:34] <heapme> intelikey: do you want the errors i got reported last time before i crashed or should i generate new ones
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: next step is usually to try dumb some of the excess services to speed up the boot time
[03:34] <intelikey> heapme yes
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> dump*
[03:35] <Schuenemann> where is that?
[03:35] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: in kcontrol there is a section for kde and another for the system stuff
[03:35] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: you told me to increase the number of instances of preload?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> max number
[03:35] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: to 2 yes
[03:35] <heapme> intelikey: tryin to dcc it but it says private messages blocked due to spam problems
[03:35] <intelikey> heapme sorry yes i want them.  and then generate new if new ones come and don't forget to kill dbus if it runs away
[03:36] <Schuenemann> and check load one after kde starts?
[03:36] <intelikey> heapme ah not registered with the server are you
[03:36] <heapme> no
[03:36] <intelikey> !register
[03:36] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:36] <heapme> not used to this network
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yes
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: I set it to 2
[03:36] <esaym> say anyone know of a good ipod nano 2nd gen how-too
[03:37] <heapme> intelikey: maybe gpm will work now for pastebin though
[03:37] <Schuenemann> how about the last checkbox?
[03:37] <intelikey> /msg nickserv help register
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: check that too
[03:37] <intelikey> heapme yeah maybe.
[03:37] <Schuenemann> done
[03:37] <heapme> wont registering require email auth and stuff, which i cant really do because i use gmail
[03:37] <intelikey> no
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: just means it now pre caches all the file side of things
[03:37] <intelikey> it's just a nick name registeration   reg's to your ip and password
[03:38] <Schuenemann> ok
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: the file manager will open in 1/2 the time
[03:38] <Schuenemann> intelikey: some networks require email confirmation
[03:38] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: great
[03:38] <intelikey> Schuenemann not freenode.net   at least never did for me.
[03:38] <Schuenemann> yeah, I know
[03:40] <heapme> gpm is pasting to pastebin now in links :) doin it that way for now just for learnin purposes
[03:40] <intelikey> k  i do that all the time.
[03:41] <intelikey> elinks actually  but i have to set the default background first.... can't stand white background on a CRT
[03:41] <heapme> intelikey:  well i pasted my text to pastebin and then i tried to post it and pastebin just said 'thou shalt not spam'
[03:42] <heapme> i'm using elinks
[03:42] <intelikey> heapme ok you copied the url ?
[03:42] <heapme> and 'please correct the errors'
[03:42] <heapme> it didnt give me a url
[03:42] <intelikey> drop the http:// part and just copy the last
[03:43] <intelikey> heapme highlight download as text and the url will be at the bottom of the screen
[03:43] <intelikey> took me a minute to see how to do that my first time.
[03:43] <main> could anyone help me with a kdesu error when i try and install adept and run it
[03:43] <intelikey> what error main ?
[03:44] <heapme> intelikey:  err where does it say 'download as text'
[03:44] <main> Details: Failed to execute child process "kdesu" (No such file or directory)
[03:44] <intelikey> one of the links in the page
[03:44] <heapme> at the bottom of the screen after i paste my text it just says '[paste!] ' and 'feedback' and 'legal' for links
[03:45] <heapme> when i hit paste it asks me if yes/no want to send form data? then i say yes and then it errors
[03:45] <intelikey> you have to use the down arrow to highlight the link then it will say ...
[03:45] <intelikey> errors ?
[03:45] <heapme> well pastebin doesnt give me the url to paste to you that is. it says 'fix yoru errors'
[03:46] <main> it says adept is installed but i cant find any files for it in a search
[03:46] <Jucato> main: are you on Edgy?
[03:47] <main> 6.06
[03:47] <main> think thats dapper
[03:47] <intelikey> paste.ubuntu-nl.org   errors ?    you are right pastebin is borked.
[03:47] <Jucato> ah..
[03:47] <heapme> know any other paste bin sites
[03:47] <Jucato> main: you tried "kdesu adept"?
[03:47] <superkirbyartist> Can someone please help me with enabling the desktop in Ubuntu Edgy?  I see no wallpaper and cannot add any icons.
[03:47] <intelikey> FOUL !    HEY    PASTEBIN IS BROKEN.... OPS....
[03:47] <BluesKaj> try www.pastebin.ca
[03:48] <intelikey> :)
[03:48] <main> it ried going from application to adept  and run the program but i get that error i posted befor
[03:48] <main> tried*
[03:49] <heapme> i could have copied the error log to my 10mb free space on my ipod, booted into linux and used firefox to pastebin by now :p
[03:49] <Jucato> main: press Alt+F2, type in "kdesu adept". see if that works
[03:49] <intelikey> yeah pastebin.ca works   http://pastebin.ca/306151
[03:49] <heapme> wish my ipod was 20gb then i could just use it as a total extneral harddrive and this allw ouldnt be necessary
[03:49] <heapme> ok ill try it
[03:50] <intelikey> heapme not on paste.ubuntu-nl.org you couldn't have.  it's broke.
[03:50] <heapme> well i could emailed it from gmail or something, but ill try this first cause that would suck to have to switch to windows everytime i want to send errors heh
[03:51] <stdin> superkirbyartist: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:51] <heapme> or i coulda just went back into my livecd and used kde after mounting my ext3
[03:51] <heapme> wee i'm learning stuff
[03:51] <heapme> i need troubleshooting for troubleshooting :/
[03:51] <intelikey> lol
[03:51] <intelikey> only when pastebin is down
[03:52] <superkirbyartist> stdin:Ubuntu
[03:52] <stdin> superkirbyartist: you need to ask in #ubuntu then, this is the kubuntu channel
[03:53] <heapme> intelikey: ok i pasted it to that same pastebin link you sent with the 'this is a test' in it
[03:53] <heapme> not sure if it worked though
[03:53] <superkirbyartist> Well #ubuntu is rude.
[03:53] <intelikey> it gave you an url ?
[03:54] <heapme> http://pastebin.ca/306151
[03:54] <intelikey> nope nothing but my 'this is a test' post in that link.
[03:55] <heapme> doh it didnt work,weird
[03:55] <heapme> it let me edit that and paste and then 'submit' without errors
[03:55] <heapme> guess ill try a fresh one :/
[03:55] <rance> can someone give me a hand with sound on kubuntu, I'd like to get this running the default way, and I've tried two sound cards and neither work, though they both were detected by kubuntu and had correct drivers loaded
[03:55] <intelikey> heapme it should have given a new url
[03:55] <stdin> superkirbyartist: maybe, but ubuntu and kubutnu use different desktops and differnet applications. you could ask in ##gnome
[03:55] <intelikey> it's listed just above the text
[03:55] <heapme> i already restarted links :/
[03:56] <heapme> not used to text browsers sigh
[03:56] <matthew> seesaw by the seashore?
[03:57] <ruben> espaol como me meto?
[03:57] <intelikey> but
[03:57] <matthew> !es
[03:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:57] <Jucato> !es | ruben
[03:57] <ubotu> ruben: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:57] <Jucato> gah
[03:57] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago!!
[03:57] <Admiral_Chicago> whats up
[03:58] <stdin> heapme: elinks is easier that links, and I it lets you use your mouse (with gpm)
[03:58] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: -offtopic?
[03:58] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm there
[03:58] <intelikey> Jucato quick Q.  was there a know issue with dbus-daemon fork bombing ?     know of ?
[03:58] <Jucato> hm.... nope
[03:59] <intelikey> k i was hoping i wasn't chasing my tail on this one.
[03:59] <stdin> rance: don't know how to fix sound problems, but the bot has some links
[03:59] <stdin> !sound | rance
[03:59] <ubotu> rance: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:00] <main> i see a walkthrough for kubunto and repositories but i dont see one for ubunto anyone know of a site for one?
[04:00] <heapme> er
[04:00] <Jucato> main: maybe in #ubuntu?
[04:00] <stdin> main: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[04:00] <heapme> intelkey ok i finally did it: pastebin.ca/306160
[04:01] <heapme> the error seems to say the same thing twice
[04:01] <intelikey> yeA!
[04:01] <heapme> and dont ask me why there's ^M's at the end when i'm in linux not dos :/
[04:02] <noiesmo> heapme, run dos2unix on file will remove ^M
[04:02] <intelikey> heapme the website did that.  M$ markup.
[04:02] <intelikey> don't worry about it.
[04:03] <heapme> 'kdeinit: cannot connect to X server' might be the problem?
[04:03] <intelikey> heapme ok and now you reran the export startkde command ?
[04:03] <heapme> man it's like x window is more complicated than linux
[04:03] <heapme> ok
[04:03] <intelikey> heapme yes those errors were the dbus fork bomb going off
[04:03] <heapme> i wrote it on paper cuz i knew i'd be crashing :)
[04:04] <heapme> plus i can type ctrl+r then exp and it will auto expand the command from my bash history. just leanred that too :)
[04:04] <intelikey> heapme oh wait.
[04:04] <heapme> my brain is overloading today
[04:04] <intelikey> first do   ps -A x  and pastebin it
[04:04] <heapme> ok
[04:04] <intelikey> i didn't see that yet
[04:04] <heapme> i might crash if it runs away again though
[04:05] <intelikey> it should not.
[04:05] <heapme> it didnt :)
[04:05] <intelikey> and only one page of output too    no?
[04:05] <heapme> pretty much
[04:05] <heapme> about 2
[04:05] <intelikey> yeah
[04:08] <intelikey> heapme also of useful note    just hitting   g  in elinks will open a goto window    and   /   a find window.    well / find forward   ? find backwards    same in  less
[04:08] <heapme> my god it's so hard to find the url after i hit submit
[04:08] <heapme> it takes me to a 'valid css' page and then i have a really hard time locating the url it give sme
[04:09] <heapme> lemme try that then
[04:10] <intelikey> just mentiond so you don't have to keep opening a new...   also the left arrow is back and the right arrow is follow highlighted link
[04:10] <heapme> yeah and i cant find it even with the arrows to go back and forth
[04:10] <heapme> it's insane
[04:10] <heapme> warez waldo
[04:10] <intelikey> lol
[04:10] <intelikey> delete button scrolls down insert scrolls up.
[04:11] <heapme> i named it so maybe i can find my name
[04:11] <intelikey> heapme / Raw Content Download
[04:11] <heapme> yeah that worked
[04:11] <Cuddles_in_KY> evening all.
[04:11] <heapme> i named the second paste  heapmeps
[04:12] <heapme> looks like it didnt submit or somethin
[04:12] <Cuddles_in_KY> question. i'm running edgy, all updates installed, and i need to install a parallel port zip drive. it's plugged in, but not showing up in the system. any ideas?
[04:13] <heapme> intelikey:  i need a lil break, heh i'll be back in a few minutes ok
[04:13] <intelikey> ok
[04:13] <heapme> need a quick snack
[04:13] <heapme> long day
[04:14] <intelikey> Cuddles_in_KY   tty24 [root@~]  modprobe lp
[04:14] <dope> i need some help installing windows on this linux box
[04:15] <intelikey> dope /join ##windows
[04:15] <dope> how do i resize this partition to make room for windows
[04:15] <BluesKaj> goto windoze help :)
[04:15] <intelikey> !gparted | dope
[04:15] <ubotu> dope: gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:15] <dope> well i'm sure i can resize the linux partition from within linux
[04:15] <dope> thx
[04:15] <Cuddles_in_KY> intelikey, ok, done that. now what/
[04:16] <intelikey> not form the running system  you'll have to be outside the partition to resize it.
[04:16] <dope> oh
[04:16] <dope> hmm
[04:16] <intelikey> Cuddles_in_KY now see if it's there
[04:17] <BluesKaj> dope , gparted is a live cd , you boot it up and run it and do your partitioning from the live cd , not from within linux on the hddd
[04:17] <intelikey> dope resizing mounted fs is like shaping dynomite with a meet tenderizing hammer
[04:17] <Cuddles_in_KY> intelikey, not showing up.
[04:17] <intelikey> it's just not a good idea
[04:18] <stdin> dope: you can do it either from the desktop cd (the kubuntu or ubuntu graphical installer) or from the gparted live cd (link above)
[04:18] <dope> i have a rescue disc with qt_parted on it i think
[04:19] <intelikey> Cuddles_in_KY try sudo mount /dev/lp0 /media/<something>       make a dir for <something>  and substitute
[04:19] <dope> bought to boot that up
[04:19] <dope> ok wish me luck!
[04:19] <intelikey> dope gltyp
[04:19] <Cuddles_in_KY> intelikey, mount: /dev/lp0 is not a block device
[04:19] <BluesKaj> set yer BIOS to boot the cdrom drive first
[04:20] <intelikey> Cuddles_in_KY hmmmm   i don't know about zip drives    dont have one...     but that's where it should be.   maybe someone else can take you on
[04:21] <intelikey> or there may be another module you need for the zip drive   ?
[04:21] <intelikey> idk
[04:22] <Cuddles_in_KY> anyone else know how to fix this?
[04:22] <Cuddles_in_KY> thanks intelikey
[04:22] <heapme> intelikey:  is single handedly helping everyone heh
[04:22] <BluesKaj> first time I've heard of zip drives in yrs
[04:22] <intelikey> Cuddles_in_KY np.  you can also ask in   #ubuntu  and ##linux
[04:23] <superkirbyartist> Stupid kids at #ubuntu deleted my hard drive!
[04:23] <ryanakca> ouch
[04:23] <intelikey> heapme fraid i wasn't much help on the zip drive tho
[04:23] <superkirbyartist> And they ban me?!
[04:23] <BluesKaj> a fellow canuck with a long handle ...ikes!
[04:24] <superkirbyartist> Can you guys go settle this?
[04:24] <heapme> ive never had a zip drive
[04:24] <deus_> hey guys
[04:24] <heapme> ok time to try repastebinging
[04:24] <intelikey> superkirbyartist they banned me too.... not for a while  but i have no desire to go back there.
[04:24] <deus_> I just screwed up grub, now it just says "grub>"
[04:25] <deus_> what do I type to start up linux?
[04:25] <BluesKaj> you formatted windows i bet
[04:25] <superkirbyartist> Intelikey: Why are they nice one day but another day they act like... I won't even start.
[04:25] <ryanakca> why can't my dapper live cd (from shipit) resize the ntfs partition so that I can install kubuntu?
[04:25] <Cuddles_in_KY> oh, they're a big help in #ubuntu.
[04:25] <stdin> deus_: is linux installed on the primary master?
[04:25] <Cuddles_in_KY> to fix my drive, i apparently need to set a coffee cup on it.
[04:25] <deus_> yeah, hd0, 2
[04:26] <superkirbyartist> Cuddles_in_KY: Not on January 4th 2007 22:25:00 EST
[04:26] <superkirbyartist> Intelikey: Why?
[04:26] <matthew> superkirbyartist, what did you need the help w/  ?
[04:26] <deus_> I know to start windows its chainloader +1
[04:26] <superkirbyartist> Matthew: I asked to place back the icons and desktop in Ubuntu and they gave me a command to delete my hard drive!
[04:26] <stdin> deus_: you'll need to 1st type "root (hd0,2)"
[04:26] <intelikey> root (hd0,0)  [enter]     kernel /boot/vmlinuz initrd=/boot/initrd.img  [enter]     boot [enter]       deus_
[04:27] <intelikey> that might need to be a different hd address
[04:27] <matthew> superkirbyartist, lol, what command?
[04:27] <intelikey> superkirbyartist PMS ?
[04:27] <intelikey> idk
[04:27] <stdin> deus_ , intelikey: you need the "root=/dev/hda1" option after
[04:27] <stdin> (after kernel /boot/vmlinuz)
[04:28] <superkirbyartist> Matthew: sudo rm *.* /
[04:28] <intelikey> stdin does the (hd#,#)  not work ?
[04:28] <matthew> O M F G !!
[04:28] <superkirbyartist> intelikey: Talking to me or #ubuntu
[04:28] <deus_> intelikey: I know its on the second partition on my drive
[04:28] <matthew> they banned you too? what a rip off?
[04:28] <intelikey> superkirbyartist answering you about #ubuntu
[04:28] <superkirbyartist> Matthew: What is Canonical doing behind this?  Nothing?!
[04:28] <Jucato> ??
[04:29] <superkirbyartist> Intelikey: So you're telling me that #ubuntu has PMS.
[04:29] <matthew> !attitude | superkirbyartist
[04:29] <ubotu> superkirbyartist: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:29] <stdin> intelikey: that's just for where grub is installed, the initrd image needs to know where the root partition is
[04:29] <intelikey> deus_ then (hd0.1)   should be that.
[04:29] <matthew> canonical has nothing to do w/ this irc. I think.
[04:29] <Jucato> who's the "they"?
[04:29] <heapme> intelikey: ok that time i used pastebin.ca's 'upload file' so i wouldnt have to gpm 3 screenfuls of text and it worked and it showed me my url but only for 5 seconds then the screen flashed and it put me back in an 'new post' page heh. i'll find it though
[04:29] <intelikey> stdin hmmm well you take over that.   i can't use grub here.
[04:29] <superkirbyartist> Matthew there are canonical people who go on IRC and I think that the people should NOT delete my hard drive.
[04:29] <stdin> deus_: so it will be "root (hd0,2)  [enter]     kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 [enter]  initrd=/boot/initrd.img  [enter]     boot [enter] 
[04:30] <dope> ok
[04:30] <dope> i'm using the kubuntu live cd now
[04:30] <dope> now how do i do this partion resizing
[04:30] <heapme> intelikey actually pressing back arrow once worked this time. ok it's  http://pastebin.ca/306184
[04:30] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: what's going on?
[04:30] <intelikey> k looking
[04:30] <matthew> I didn't realize that canonical people populate this channel...I'm surprised that nobody told you not to do that command...
[04:31] <dope> anybod advice plz? :(
[04:31] <superkirbyartist> Jucato: bruenig told me to delete my hard drive!
[04:31] <dope> gparted isn't on the kubuntu live cd
[04:31] <Jucato> there are few "canonical people" in IRC. most of the "canonical people" in IRC are devs too
[04:31] <deus_> stdin: it says error 15: file not found
[04:31] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: who's bruenig?
[04:31] <superkirbyartist> Jucato: He gave me a command to "help me" and doesn't work.
[04:31] <dope> oh nm
[04:31] <superkirbyartist> Bruenig is an irc user.
[04:32] <dope> it won't let me resize the kubuntu root partition :|
[04:32] <stdin> deus_: you can use bash-like tab completion to find the kernel and initrd image
[04:32] <superkirbyartist> Thank goodness he's not in here.
[04:32] <intelikey> heapme kdm is running.   try logging in.  if it hangs  do the sysrq and sudo killall5
[04:32] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: so it was either a user error or user malice... what's the problem with Canonical?
[04:32] <dope> someone know how i can resize my linux parition?
[04:33] <heapme> k
[04:33] <BluesKaj> dope, what won't?
[04:33] <superkirbyartist> Why aren't they doing anything to help this stop?
[04:33] <dope> qtparted
[04:33] <stdin> deus_: what partition number is your root on? hda3?
[04:33] <dope> it doesn't give me the resize option on my linux partition.  on the others it does
[04:33] <intelikey> dope gparted   from a cd   or parted form a cd
[04:33] <superkirbyartist> It's like some days the people are nice and other days they are rude!
[04:33] <BluesKaj> use gparted, qtparted is buggy
[04:33] <dope> i'm using the kubuntu live cd
[04:34] <intelikey> stdin he said second partition  but that may be extended  i.e. hda5
[04:34] <deus_> stdin: I dont remember, but I should be on hda2 or hda3
[04:34] <Cuddles_in_KY> superkirbyartist, falstius is another one to watch out for
[04:34] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: the channels are filled with "volunteers". no one is paid to help. there are OPs to enforce order, but that's it. Canonical has nothing to do with it, they're not even hosting the servers
[04:34] <dope> intelikey: will qtparted from the kubuntu live cd not work?
[04:34] <heapme> intelikey:  i logged in but it's doing what it usually does, not loading kde fully, just shows my wallpaper and a cursor
[04:34] <superkirbyartist> Thank you, Cuddles_in_KY
[04:34] <stdin> deus_: if it's hda2 then you need 'root (hd0,3)' but if it's hda3 you need 'root (hd0,4)'
[04:34] <deus_> Is it irresponsible to load up linux on a liveCD and reboot
[04:35] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: being a volunteer/open channel, some oddballs do come in. best thing to do would be to talk to the ops about these
[04:35] <intelikey> heapme ps -A x   look for runaways
[04:35] <heapme> intelikey:  this is the part where if i hit alt+f7 it will lock me out of my keyboard again and with either crash or possibly let me sysrq+r alt+f1 if im lucky
[04:35] <heapme> k
[04:35] <superkirbyartist> Jucato: Who are the ops?
[04:35] <heapme> yup run away
[04:35] <dope> :/
[04:35] <heapme> dbsus-daemon is running away again
[04:35] <heapme> gonna kill it
[04:35] <BluesKaj> dope , download GParted Live CD , burn it in windows if need be then set your BIOS boot sequence to boot into the cd/dvdrom drive first , then run gparted
[04:35] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: in #ubuntu, you can type in !ops to call for them. or you could go to #ubuntu-ops to voice your complaint
[04:36] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: are you sure he intentionally gave you a command to delete your HD?
[04:36] <intelikey> heapme that's the problem.   and i don't use dbus  so i don't know why it's doing that nor what to tell you to do to try to fix it.
[04:36] <dope> BluesKaj: so gparted is better than qtparted?
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> Well, at least the KDE users are nice!
[04:36] <BluesKaj> yup
[04:36] <dope> ok where i get this?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> it's more flexible , dope
[04:36] <BluesKaj> !gparted
[04:36] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:37] <heapme> intelikey: before i killed dbus-daemon it was saying, in ps -X a, stuff like:  10237 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /home/heapme...
[04:37] <intelikey> but i do know that sudo killall /usr/bin/dbus_daemon    <or shat ever it is will stop it.  for the moment.
[04:37] <superkirbyartist> BluesKaj: Not so with me.  On my iMac G3 Xubuntu works smoother.  But I do use Kopete, and have plans for Rosegarden.
[04:37] <deus_> stdin, intelikey: If I type "root (hd0," it tells me that partitions 0,1, and 3 are unknown filetype, and partition 2 is ext2fs
[04:37] <intelikey> heapme yes kde is dependant on that.
[04:37] <deus_> so partition 2 must be linux, right?
[04:37] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: just a friendly advice, try to be respectful in #ubuntu-ops. and explain the situation well
[04:37] <Cuddles_in_KY> jucato, in support of superkirbyartist, one of the helpers told me the only way to fix my zip drive was to set a cup of coffee on it.
[04:37] <stdin> deus_: yes
[04:37] <deus_> okay, so it should be hda2
[04:37] <intelikey> then 2 it is.
[04:37] <superkirbyartist> Blueskay: I guess that KDE has high requirements.
[04:38] <stdin> deus_: no, hda3
[04:38] <stdin> deus_: grub starts at 0
[04:38] <deus_> 2 or 3?
[04:38] <Jucato> Cuddles_in_KY: you have to understand, there is no "regular" set of helpers in any of the channel. by regular I mean officially assigned to help
[04:38] <heapme> intelikey:  why do you think my kde broke. it's been crashing a lot since i first installed kubuntu 6.10 a week ago but sometimes it'd let me use it all day long
[04:38] <intelikey> no (hd0.2)  will be either hda3 or hda5 or hda6 actually.
[04:38] <intelikey> @ stdin ^
[04:38] <BluesKaj> superkirbyartist ?? ...I'm talking about partitioning dopes hdd with gparted
[04:39] <Cuddles_in_KY> jucato, i know that. but you'd think an op would be around to stop the wags.
[04:39] <Jucato> so if someone gives bad advice, it's not representative of what the community says
[04:39] <heapme> with irc it helps to get a second opinion when someone says to use a dangerous command ;0
[04:39] <Ashex> I can't get a display using the nvidia drivers at 1440x900
[04:39] <Jucato> Cuddles_in_KY: they're around. but they don't spend 100% of their time monitoring channels
[04:39] <Ashex> anyone know why?
[04:39] <Jucato> most of the ops are devs too
[04:39] <stdin> deus_: try "root (hd0,2)  [enter]     kernel /boot/vmlinuz[TAB] " (where [TAB]  is the tab key to complete the path to the right kernel
[04:40] <Ashex> It works fine with the nv driver
[04:40] <intelikey> heapme i don't know.   i'm on dapper and haven't see that problem with dbus     maybe you should report the bug  and look for other reports on it.
[04:40] <deus_> okay, got it
[04:40] <heapme> ive seen people in #ubuntu say to rm -rf /*  as a help command, which i said 'thats not funny some ubuntu users dont even know what rm means' and they said 'thats the only way they'll learn'
[04:40] <Ashex> I used 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to reconfigure xorg.conf
[04:40] <heapme> intelikey:  ok thanks for everything :)
[04:41] <intelikey> heapme sorry i cant fix that for you.
[04:41] <heapme> next i gotta learn how to cdburn from the command line so i can save my files before i reinstall too
[04:41] <Jucato> !resolution
[04:41] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:41] <intelikey> heapme install cdw
[04:41] <Ashex> thanks Jucato
[04:41] <BluesKaj> Ashex, yes that's the usual fix to get X and desktop back to running order
[04:41] <intelikey> cdw is nice to backing a few files/dirs from the cli
[04:42] <Jucato> ugh not that!!!
[04:42] <Jucato> rawr...
[04:42] <Jucato> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"
[04:42] <heapme> this whole experience is kind of good because it's teaching me not to rely on the GUI apps because i could end up screwed if kde/x ever breaks heh
[04:42] <Cuddles_in_KY> jucato, speaking from experience, when it comes to running -any- help/support channel, even an unofficial one, it's a good idea to either have an op on hand, or a warning posted in the topic.
[04:42] <deus_> I type "intrid=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic" and it says "Error 27: Unrecognized Command"
[04:42] <matthew> superkirbyartist, we're nice because we have a nice interface that doesn't frustrate us just by looking at it...
[04:43] <intelikey> heapme worse than that. you could get bit by the cli bug and be like me and never start a gui anymore....  8{
[04:43] <stdin> deus_: it'll be "intrid /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic" (no '=')
[04:43] <Jucato> Cuddles_in_KY: they're here. they're not just OP'ed. it's sort of a policy. you can call their attention. and they do check in from time to time. but you'd have to pay someone to watch the channel 100% of the time 24/7
[04:43] <Jucato> !xconfig
[04:43] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[04:43] <Jucato> ah there
[04:44] <deus_> It still wont go
[04:44] <heapme> intelikey: maybe ;0 long as i can find a pdf viewer and some multi media stuff for the cli. but i know some things i'd need the gui like image editing but it'd be nice to not rely on the gui
[04:44] <intelikey> Jucato you couldn't pay anyone to op this chan 24/7
[04:44] <stdin> deus_: what do you mean 'it wont go' ?
[04:45] <Jucato> intelikey: I was trying to emphasize the improbability of it :)
[04:45] <Jucato> intelikey: maybe not *one* person only :P
[04:45] <deus_> stdin: it still says "Error 27: Unrecognized command"
[04:45] <intelikey> :)
[04:45] <deus_> oh I got it
[04:45] <stdin> deus_: have you set the right kernel ?
[04:45] <BluDog_Anchorite> !ubotu restricted formats > BluDog_Anchorite
[04:46] <Jucato> er..
[04:46] <BluDog_Anchorite> !ubotu restricted formats > isis247
[04:46] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[04:46] <Jucato> BluDog_Anchorite: ??
[04:46] <BluDog_Anchorite> i got it
[04:46] <BluDog_Anchorite> all is well
[04:46] <BluesKaj> ! restricted formats | BluDog_Anchorite
[04:46] <ubotu> BluDog_Anchorite: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:46] <deus_> okay, it started booting
[04:46] <intelikey> BluDog_Anchorite while no doubt that works  /msg ubotu mp3      would have been better
[04:47] <Jucato> :)
[04:47] <BluDog_Anchorite> not a total noob here
[04:47] <deus_> well, its stalled
[04:47] <heapme> intelikey: or maybe i should install xubuntu. since i dont need x all that often i might has well have a lighter version that's less likely to be buggy i guess
[04:47] <BluDog_Anchorite> just ina  hurry
[04:47] <spitwise> just plain debian even ..
[04:47] <TheDebugger> heapme: Why not debian?
[04:47] <Ertain> Does anyone know of a DVD ripping program that allows to view certain chapters and extract the chapters?
[04:48] <deus_> it dumped a whole bunch of info and now its stopped
[04:48] <heapme> or debian :]  or slackware
[04:48] <intelikey> heapme you can   sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin ;sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <heapme> slackware would probably be better for learning, especially if i plan on living in the CLI
[04:48] <intelikey> might well solve the problem heapme
[04:49] <stdin> deus_: it may be easier to boot from a live cd and reinstall grub from there, also you may need some boot options to boot (I do)
[04:49] <heapme> cool ill try it as a last resort
[04:49] <Ashex> I don't appear to be having much luck with that wiki doc
[04:49] <BluesKaj> Ertain, Kino ?
[04:49] <Ashex> I set the refresh frequency manually, but it still won't start with the nvidia drivers
[04:49] <intelikey> i'm went.
[04:49] <stdin> deus_: you can look at /boot/grub/menu.lst from the live cd to check
[04:49] <intelikey> i'm left
[04:49] <Ashex> when I use the nv drivers, I can get my desktop loaded just fine
[04:49] <intelikey> C yall
[04:49] <intelikey> C++ yall
[04:49] <BluesKaj> c ya intelikey
[04:49] <Ashex> but it's only with the nvidia driver that it doesn't work
[04:50] <heapme> what does  apt-get remove --purge gamin  do
[04:50] <BluesKaj> !Kino
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kino - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <soulrider> hi everyone
[04:50] <Ashex> heapme: it force removes gamin
[04:50] <Ertain> I shall look at that, BluesKaj.
[04:50] <soulrider> heapme: it will remove gamin and relove the config files
[04:50] <heapme> what the heck is gamin though :)
[04:50] <Ashex> Anyone have a clue?
[04:50] <soulrider> !info kino
[04:50] <heapme> i need to remove kde
[04:50] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB
[04:51] <soulrider> heapme: why do you wanna remove KDE ?
[04:51] <Ashex> It would be nice to have glx and 3d accel on my new lcd monitor :(
[04:51] <heapme> because its totally broken
[04:51] <soulrider> heapme: how about reinstalling ?
[04:51] <heapme> intelikey tried to help me for 2 hours and we couldnt figure how to fix it. i have run away processes with dbus-daemon
[04:51] <deus_> I know what the boot option are.  They turn off acpi, apic, and some other stuff
[04:52] <stdin> deus_: same as mine then
[04:52] <stdin> noapic nolapic acpi=off pci=noacpi
[04:52] <Ashex> oh hey.....
[04:52] <Ashex> >.<
[04:52] <BluesKaj> Ashex, have you set up your driver config in sys/settings/monitor & display/hardware/admin mode/config
[04:53] <Ashex> quick question. If I compile a new kernel and boot into it, do i need to reinstall the nvidia kernel module?
[04:53] <deus_> something like that
[04:53] <stdin> Ashex: yes
[04:53] <Ashex> BluesKaj: yuppers
[04:53] <Jucato> Ashex: definitely yes
[04:53] <Ashex> stdin: that's probably why it's not working then :P
[04:53] <Ashex> Damn me and my multi-tasking
[04:53] <Jucato> one of the drawbacks of compiled kernels... you have to make sure other modules will work, which means sometimes reinstalling them
[04:54] <heapme> is gamin a program because i installed it but theres no man page for it and 'which gamin' shows nothing
[04:54] <Ashex> Anyone happen to remember the name of the nvidia driver package?
[04:54] <Jucato> !gamin | heapme
[04:54] <ubotu> gamin: File and directory monitoring system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.7-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 60 kB, installed size 184 kB
[04:55] <DaveQB> any recommended scanners ? Low to med end
[04:55] <heapme> i already msgd ubto about it, but that doesnt tell me
[04:55] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[04:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:55] <noiesmo> !envy
[04:55] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[04:55] <Jucato> Ashex: nvidia-glx? but chances are, it won't work with your compiled kernel
[04:55] <heapme> it sounds cool though i need  a file/dir monitoring system
[04:55] <Ashex> Jucato, why's that?
[04:55] <stdin> Ashex: is the version of your compiled kernel the same as the ubuntu one?
[04:56] <heapme> whats the command to reinstall kde?
[04:56] <Ashex> stdin: lemme rephrase, I install the i686 kernel since I use an amd64 proc
[04:56] <Jucato> the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common packages were built for the Ubuntu kernels only.
[04:56] <Ashex> it's the ubuntu kernel
[04:56] <Jucato> Ashex: aaah
[04:56] <stdin> heapme: gamin docs are in /usr/share/doc/gamin/
[04:56] <Jucato> ok I thought you compiled, because of your question earlier
[04:56] <Ashex> Heh
[04:56] <Ashex> I mixed up my kernels
[04:57] <Ashex> I compiled one for my laptop, but that's totally different
[04:57] <heapme> stdin those docs are useless too, just has a readme page that doesnt answer my question :[
[04:58] <heapme> i'll hve to google it later wheni get kde reinstalled. whats the command to reinstall kde?
[04:58] <Ashex> so I should do an apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common?
[04:58] <heapme> apt-get --reinstall kde?
[04:59] <Steven_M_> hi all
[04:59] <Jucato> who needs kde reinstalled?
[04:59] <heapme> me
[04:59] <Ashex> Hmm
[04:59] <Jucato> heapme: what seems to be the problem?
[04:59] <Ashex> i just tried that, and then did an autoconfig of the xorg.conf file, and still no dice...
[04:59] <heapme> kde crashes everytime i run it
[04:59] <stdin> heapme: apt-get --reinstall install kde wont work
[05:00] <Ashex> I suspect I'll need to download the nvidia binary file and do it manually :/
[05:00] <heapme> as of today, all week kde was workin fine
[05:00] <heapme> then it decided no more
[05:00] <stdin> Ashex: and you restarted X after?
[05:00] <Jucato> heapme: it's a normal Kubuntu install, right?
[05:01] <heapme> normal 6.10 install
[05:01] <Jucato> because installing the metapackage named "kde" will install *a lot* of other things not installed with Kubuntu
[05:01] <heapme> doh
[05:01] <Steven_M_> kppp can't open my PCMCIA card modem, even though wvdial can, any idea why not?
[05:02] <Ashex> stdin: X isn't started at all
[05:02] <Ashex> I get an error each time
[05:02] <Ashex> I'm currently using irssi
[05:02] <heapme> welcome to the club :)
[05:02] <stdin> Ashex: what error is it?
[05:02] <deus_> stdin: Ive got puppy linux running, but I can load up mepis (I dont have my kubuntu cd anymore)
[05:03] <Ashex> stdin: I think i figured it out
[05:03] <Ashex> I didn't install linux-restricted for the kernel :/
[05:03] <Jucato> heapme: not really sure if it would work "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[05:03] <deus_> should I start trying to fix it?  Im a little nervous using a liveCD to mess around with system configuration files
[05:04] <heapme> can cdw burn dvds?
[05:04] <Jucato> no
[05:04] <heapme> i really need to burn a datadvd from the commandline
[05:04] <Jucato> dvd writers can burn cds :)
[05:04] <stdin> deus_: it doesn't mayyer what live cd it is, you can just try reinstalling grub
[05:04] <heapme> i have a dvd writer
[05:04] <stdin> deus_: there is a howto page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-bf3232f10ddf1b078de064622ccbb25225cdb3c0
[05:05] <BluesKaj> how about ?   'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:05] <Ashex> okay, looks like I'm good to go
[05:06] <Ashex> now to resolve some package dependency issues
[05:06] <Zesturian> Does Kubuntu Edgy come with madwifi-old or madwifi-ng?
[05:06] <dope> !gparted
[05:06] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[05:06] <BluesKaj> heapme,   'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:07] <heapme> BluesKaj:  what will that do
[05:08] <deus_> stdin, intelikey, looks like I got it
[05:08] <BluesKaj> it might get kde back
[05:08] <Ashex> sweet deal. Everything appears to be working correctly
[05:08] <deus_> thanks
[05:08] <heapme> BluesKaj:  but what else does it do
[05:08] <stdin> deus_: your welcome :)
[05:08] <Ashex> and beryl looks all the sweeter on a 19" widescreen :D
[05:09] <BluesKaj> upgrades your kde to latest version ... clean like
[05:09] <heapme> k thanks
[05:09] <BluesKaj> not 4 , . 3.5.5
[05:09] <Ertain> Rats.  I can't install "libqt3-mt-dev" without something breaking.  (I'm using Edgy.)
[05:13] <deus_> stdin: Also, my computer doesnt "shut down" proper.
[05:13] <deus_> It just complets the poweroff process, and then I have to press the poweroff button.  Is that a problem?
[05:14] <stdin> deus_: mine hangs on shutdown too, I think it's to do with disabling acpi
[05:14] <deus_> okay
[05:14] <deus_> is it worth trying to fix?
[05:14] <deus_> Im geussing you havent
[05:15] <stdin> deus_: no, I haven't found a fix
[05:15] <HymnToLife> just don't shutdown :)
[05:15] <stdin> deus_: but I'm not too bothered by it
[05:15] <HymnToLife> Linux is designed to run, not to shutdown
[05:15] <Zesturian> I'm trying to set my atheros based chipset into moitor mode, but wlanconfig (as mentioned in the madwifi wiki) doesn't exist. Would this suggest it's using the old madwifi drivers as opposed to the madiwifi next gen drivers?
[05:15] <stdin> nither do I, HymnToLife, I only restart if I install a new kernel, or a kernel update
[05:16] <HymnToLife> Zesturian, have you tried iwconfig ?
[05:16] <deus_> HymnToLife: well, I have a laptop
[05:18] <Zesturian> I get the following error when I try with iwconfig HymnToLife : 'SET failed on device ath0; Invalid argument'. The command ran is : 'iwconfig ath0 mode monitor'
[05:18] <ForgeAus> hmmm my timing sux the guy who wanted to know how to multiboot with windows Vista prolly isn't here now
[05:18] <ForgeAus> but I found out how
[05:19] <ForgeAus> so if anyones interested or for later reference... : http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468626.aspx gives a start (or maybe all you need? I don't have vista installed so I don't exactly know)
[05:19] <Zesturian> With backtrack, I managed to get it to monitor mode, but I know for certain that was with the next gen drivers.
[05:20] <ForgeAus> thats using Vista's own boot manager/loader anyway...
[05:20] <stdin> deus_: I think acpi is used to power off, so because we have to disable it to boot, it won't work
[05:20] <ForgeAus> so I guess theres proably a way to point grub to that or vice versa
[05:20] <ForgeAus> or load one first then let it pass to the other??
[05:24] <BluesKaj> nite all
[05:24] <ForgeAus> nite blues
[05:24] <Steven_M_> anyone here use kppp?
[05:24] <Zesturian> I always thought it was spelt 'night' :P
[05:24] <ForgeAus> Zest it is
[05:25] <ForgeAus> I consider misspellings such as that part of my "style" ... using z's instead of s's for plurals that sound that way, etc.. and the x in thanx....
[05:25] <ForgeAus> I'm fonetik friendly :)
[05:25] <Zesturian> Mmm... I personally see it as a laziness.
[05:26] <ForgeAus> Zest, whats lazy about it?... personally I think abbreviation is a good thing, it saves me from additional typing, thus possible typos...
[05:27] <ForgeAus> I'm muddled enough as it is let alone worrying about my typing/spelling constantly...
[05:27] <ForgeAus> and if the message was recieved, then the words fulfilled their purpose, so imho .. what they were spelt like is of little importance!
[05:28] <Zesturian> That just suggests imcompetence. Call me a pedant, but I prefer to use the English language in it's vanilla form, without introducing 'nu' ways of spellings things for individuals who wish to abuse it.
[05:29] <Zesturian> **incompetence
[05:29] <ForgeAus> Zest you seeing it as an abuse is curious... why can't English be fun? I love wordplay... too many people want to make it strict and cumbersome... :(
[05:30] <ForgeAus> too many people think that a dictonary has ALL the words that exist in it...
[05:31] <ForgeAus> ie if its not in the dictionary its not a word? hmmm is Linux a word in the dictionary ... I wonder?
[05:31] <moj0rising> does anyone here know when the next feisty milestone release might be?
[05:32] <ForgeAus> moj0 personally I have no idea...
[05:33] <Zesturian> An up to date one does, the entries not present are typically colloquialisms.
[05:33] <ForgeAus> Zest thats not necessarily true...
[05:33] <stdin> moj0rising: Jan 11, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[05:34] <Ertain> So... Might anyone know how to extract DVD streams, chapters, etc. using Kino?  Or does anyone have a good suggestion for a DVD ripper?
[05:34] <ForgeAus> sometimes you need to add an ism or a ness/less/ment or something that wouldn't otherwise be there to get your point across...
[05:35] <ForgeAus> sure mostly thats word forms... but still, also compounds ... similar story
[05:36] <Ertain> I've tried compiling kdvdbackup but it needs the libqt3-mt-dev pack, which I can't install or else it would break my install.
[05:37] <stdin> Ertain: I think vlc can do it
[05:38] <Ertain> Right-o then.
[05:38] <stdin> it's in universe I think
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> dvd::rip
[05:40] <heapme> whats the command to mount my dvd drive? mount /dev/dvd -t iso9660 /media/dvd?
[05:40] <deus_> Is it possible to go into an unprotected boot loader, type init=/bin/bash into the boot options line, and bypass the root password?
[05:40] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[05:40] <Daisuke_Ido> what device is your dvd-rom?
[05:40] <Daisuke_Ido> hdc maybe?
[05:40] <heapme> /dev/dvd
[05:41] <stdin> heapme: 'mount /media/cdrom0' should work (no sudo)
[05:41] <Daisuke_Ido> there ya go
[05:41] <heapme> hdc i guess according to fstab
[05:42] <Ridayah> This is weird.  I upgraded firefox to 1.5.0.9 this morning and now the page will blank randomly and the system use 100% cpu, and Xorg gets up to about 50 megs of memory and the cache fills up.
[05:42] <Ridayah> killing programs does not free it up, although logging out/back in will, but it's annoying.
[05:42] <stdin> deus_: if it's an *buntu install, and you haven't set a root pass, then you can just add 'single' to the boot options to get to a root console without a pass
[05:44] <Ertain> So... Does anyone else know of a good DVD ripping program?  That just extracts DVD data?
[05:44] <Ridayah> dvd::rip?
[05:44] <Ertain> I can't remember if that works.
[05:45] <lachlan> hey i want to install drivers for my wireless card but there are no linux drivers. i have downloaded ndiswrapper now i want to install the drivers. do i have to download the windows drivers?
[05:45] <unix_infidel> !ndiswrapper | lachlan
[05:45] <ubotu> lachlan: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:45] <lachlan> thx
[05:45] <unix_infidel> to answer your current question, yes.
[05:47] <ask_> Hello! This is my first time here
[05:47] <ask_> Does somebody here have experience with mounting an ipod nano?
[05:47] <stdin> ask_: yes
[05:47] <ask_> way!
[05:48] <ask_> It doesnt work for me, though
[05:48] <Zesturian> ask_, have you tried gtkpod?
[05:48] <stdin> how did you tried to mount it before?
[05:48] <Zesturian> Amarok is perfectly capable too, the hotplug should allow you to mount it.
[05:49] <ask_> hotplug? I installed ipodslave, but it isnt found
[05:49] <ask_> It doesnt seem to mount
[05:50] <Zesturian> ask_ : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto?highlight=%28ipod%29
[05:50] <stdin> ask_: it's connected, and the screen on the ipod had changed to show it's connected?
[05:50] <ask_> Thanks, no, it doesnt show connected
[05:51] <rdergy> whats up people
[05:51] <stdin> ask_: have you made sure the cable is properly connected at both ends?
[05:52] <Ridayah> anyone know why the upgraded firefox is acting odd with blanking pages, 100%cpu usage, and xorg taking up massive amounts of memory?
[05:53] <unix_infidel> probably a plugin.
[05:53] <Ridayah> unix_infidel: I've run it in safe-mode and it's still doing it.
[05:56] <nixternal> Ridayah: can you link me to a page that causes this issue?
[05:57] <nixternal> im on Edgy with ff 2.0.0.1
[05:57] <nixternal> or whatever the newest one just released is :)
[05:59] <ask_> anybody here know what to do to get the nano up and running
[05:59] <stdin> ask_: have you made sure the cable is properly connected at both ends?
[05:59] <ask_> yes
[05:59] <ask_> sudo mount vfat -t /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod
[05:59] <ask_> gives me  mount: unknown filesystem type '/dev/sda2'
[05:59] <Ridayah> make that -t vfat instead of vfat -t
[05:59] <Ridayah> and you should be fine
[05:59] <ask_> will try, tks
[05:59] <nixternal> hrmm. nano worked ootb for me
[06:00] <stdin> ask_: that will mount it as root, you won't be able to write to it
[06:00] <nixternal> until i broke it
[06:00] <stdin> pmount /dev/sda2
[06:00] <stdin> or pmount /dev/sda2 ipod
[06:02] <lachlan> is there a way to undo this command?
[06:02] <lachlan> echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:02] <nixternal> lachlan: you can open it up with a text editor and delete the line
[06:02] <DaveQB> lachlan  grep bcm43xx -l /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:03] <DaveQB> lachlan  that command will find the line that its on and then you can delete with an editor like nixternal  suggested
[06:03] <ForgeAus> isn't nano like pico?
[06:04] <nixternal> yup
[06:04] <stdin> is's a pico clone yes
[06:04] <ForgeAus> um how could one "break" that?
[06:04] <ask_> Hi Ridyah, it mounted! Thanks.
[06:04] <nixternal> that was quick
[06:04] <ask_> Now I just need to find out how to use gtkpod
[06:05] <nixternal> wb mortici
[06:05] <Zesturian> Nano is released under GPL, Pico is not.
[06:05] <ask_> Seems you have to be root
[06:05] <ask_> Anyway, thanks again
[06:05] <ForgeAus> I could understand something like kdevelop being broken or kate but nano?
[06:05] <stdin> ask_: if you mount it with pmount, you won't need to be root
[06:05] <Rob-West> i need some media codec help
[06:05] <nixternal> whats up Rob-West
[06:05] <stdin> !mp3 | Rob-West
[06:05] <ubotu> Rob-West: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:05] <nixternal> Rob-West: what media codecs are you looking for?
[06:06] <Rob-West> i found them
[06:06] <nixternal> heh
[06:06] <lachlan> looks like i am go using linuxing to have to give up linux untill my next holiday coz there is no help/driver for my wireless card. then i will wait till i have a wired connection and start
[06:06] <lachlan> using linux
[06:07] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[06:08] <ForgeAus> linuxing, strange term...
[06:10] <ForgeAus> actually drivers for a wireless card could be problematic... all my current wireless is done via a router thats wired directly but wireless after that I don't have a card installed...
[06:10] <ForgeAus> oh that and the grid on my garage that gets internet :)
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> lachlan: ndiswrapper was no help?
[06:11] <lachlan> no all the guides were for cards other than ine
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> well, do you know the chipset for your wireless card?
[06:11] <lachlan> yes
[06:11] <ForgeAus> hmmm so theres no basic compatibility standard for wireless adapters?
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> and it is?
[06:11] <mortici> thank you nixternal
[06:11] <mortici> :)
[06:12] <mortici> i love my kubuntu :)
[06:12] <nixternal> np mortici. where are you from in il?
[06:12] <nixternal> obviously around me with that ip
[06:12] <lachlan> Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[06:12] <lachlan> is what lspci comes back with
[06:12] <ForgeAus> kio-slaves rock!
[06:13] <nixternal> lachlan: that card uses the bcm43xx-fwcutter utility. no need to use ndiswrapper with it
[06:13] <lachlan> how do i set it up to get working?
[06:13] <jpiccolo_> anyone using steam though wine
[06:13] <mortici> nixternal, chicago area
[06:13] <mortici> :)
[06:13] <nixternal> mortici: same here :0
[06:13] <ForgeAus> steam?
[06:13] <nixternal> ;)
[06:13] <John-Charles> i cannot load any graphics, when i boot up it loads to and io stream and then drops me and when i try startx it give me a failure
[06:13] <nixternal> !bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:13] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060501-5 (edgy), package size 20 kB, installed size 108 kB
[06:14] <nixternal> !broadcom
[06:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:14] <mortici> nixternal, :D
[06:14] <Jucato> ugh... being overrun by chi-ubuntu!
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_L5800C#WiFi
[06:14] <nixternal> very helpful silly bot
[06:14] <jpiccolo_> ok CS:S
[06:14] <nixternal> you know it Jucato. Chicago rules!
[06:14] <Jucato> :P
[06:14] <jpiccolo_> anyone running CS:S in ubuntu
[06:14] <mortici> chitown for the win :)
[06:15] <Daisuke_Ido> basics on the 4303 with ndiswrapper.  should be able to get it going using the standard 'ndiswrapper -i <driverfile>' (i think.  i thank %deity every day for ralink)
[06:15] <mortici> jpiccolo_, i had it running on gentoo, i see no reason why it wouldn't run on kubuntu :)
[06:15] <nixternal> lachlan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[06:15] <John-Charles>  /nick <nickname>
[06:15] <lachlan> Daisuke_ldo is that a guide to help me install?
[06:15] <Daisuke_Ido> nixternal: even better
[06:15] <jpiccolo_> morticl i have it running
[06:15] <mortici> :)
[06:15] <lachlan> nixternal that guide is based on a different card
[06:15] <ForgeAus> as in the gaming app? http://www.steampowered.com/?
[06:15] <mortici> jpiccolo_, you can use tab to auto complete a nick :P
[06:15] <jpiccolo_> morticl, but for some reason its not updating so i can pay
[06:16] <jpiccolo_> ok
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> lachlan: doesn't matter, as long as it's the same chipset.
[06:16] <nixternal> lachlan: according to http://bcm43xx.berlios.de your card should work with that as well
[06:16] <mortici> jpiccolo_, hmm never ran into that
[06:16] <ubuntu> i'm running kubuntu from a live cd, how do i get a computer to ssh to it?  like what's the username/pw?
[06:16] <ForgeAus> its interesting if/that it works with wine at all!
[06:16] <jpiccolo_> mortici: is there some kind of firewall that would be stopping it
[06:16] <ForgeAus> looks kinda lush for wine
[06:16] <nixternal> ubuntu: you need to install ssh server first, and then create a username/password to access it
[06:16] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  go to the console and add a user with adduser, and start the ssh service. (i think) ive rarely used the live cd.
[06:16] <John-Charles>  /nick gkffyji
[06:17] <mortici> jpiccolo_, no not really, it might not be communicating with the steam servers. Unless the new steam version borked it some how, but it should allow you to "download" the game, i never tried to pay for anything on the linux end
[06:17] <mortici> i just played on the linux end
[06:17] <lachlan> i am running dapper
[06:17] <ubuntu> is there an easier way to transfer files from the live cd comp to another one?
[06:18] <jpiccolo_> mortici: grr i can log into steam and everything but it has been a 36% for 5 hours
[06:18] <jpiccolo_> updating
[06:19] <John-Charles> a
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> lachlan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[06:19] <John-Charles> help
[06:19] <mortici> jpiccolo_, wait so when you try to log into it does the steam update?
[06:19] <jpiccolo_> yeah steam itself updates, but the game wont to get the newest version
[06:19] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  depends on whats on the 2 pcs :)
[06:20] <dope> ok it's askin for a session password
[06:20] <dope> is there a default session password?
[06:20] <mortici> as long as you installed the latest steam from their web page there really should be no need to update, and if it does the update does nothing, i think there was a work around for that
[06:20] <mortici> oh ok
[06:20] <mortici> jpiccolo_, i see i see
[06:20] <mortici> how about you do this
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu-based Pioneer Linux for churches and religious organisations:
[06:20] <Dr_willis> anotner week.. and another ubuntu variant spawns!
[06:20] <mortici> download it on windows, update it, back it up, then restore it on linux?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Its like those monster movies...
[06:20] <mortici> either that or stop the download and try again
[06:21] <jpiccolo_> mortici: if i had windows that would work
[06:21] <mortici> if not try and see if you can use ethereal to see whats going on with the tcp packets
[06:21] <mortici> jpiccolo_, lol
[06:21] <mortici> jpiccolo_, good man :)
[06:21] <stdin> dope: what's asking for a password?
[06:21] <jpiccolo_> mortici: haha yeah, maybe i shoule try it with vmware
[06:21] <dope> when i connect via ssh to the pc running the live cd
[06:21] <dope> asking for a session password
[06:21] <John-Charles> deus2
[06:22] <jpiccolo_> mortici: i have never used vmware though
[06:22] <Dr_willis> that would be the users password that you made earlier.
[06:22] <ForgeAus> VMware is awesome :)
[06:22] <mortici> your running css through vmware
[06:22] <stdin> dope: what user are you trying to login as?
[06:22] <mortici> ?
[06:22] <jpiccolo_> no
[06:22] <dope> ubuntu
[06:22] <ForgeAus> the VMware server I highly recomend
[06:22] <jpiccolo_> if i install steam on a vmware image and get the updated files
[06:22] <stdin> dope: you'll have to set the pass manually: sudo passwd ubuntu
[06:22] <mortici> jpiccolo_, then why do you ask about vmware
[06:23] <stdin> dope: on the livecd
[06:23] <ForgeAus> you don't get the windowborder I don't like that the player has, its a clean window environment, and you get many options
[06:23] <ForgeAus> (but theres more that would be helpful)
[06:23] <ForgeAus> mostly you can do the extras with utilities or the command line
[06:23] <jpiccolo_> mortici: if i install windows though vmware, then install steam, update the game and copy over the files
[06:23] <dope> awesome thx, you guys are always extremely helpful
[06:23] <ForgeAus> like the server program doesn't let you grow disks in the gui for example
[06:24] <stdin> dope: it's what we're here for :)
[06:24] <ForgeAus> jpiccolo yeah that's a good idea
[06:24] <mortici> jpiccolo_, well either way the update "should" work either way
[06:24] <ForgeAus> use fat32 tho, better than ntfs I think for your purposes
[06:24] <jpiccolo_> yeah "should"
[06:24] <ForgeAus> depending on what windows features it uses
[06:25] <dope> what's the command to look at all the filesystems?
[06:25] <dope> df and something else
[06:25] <jpiccolo_> does feisty have any firewalls
[06:25] <ForgeAus> jp not sure but you can add one to it
[06:25] <jpiccolo_> i dont want one
[06:25] <stdin> dope: you mean: sudo fdisk -l
[06:25] <dope> yea
[06:25] <stdin> there ya go
[06:25] <jpiccolo_> i want to turn it off if i have one
[06:26] <jpiccolo_> whats that site for easy vmware images
[06:27] <ForgeAus> vmware itself
[06:27] <ForgeAus> www.vmware.com prolly theres an appliances link
[06:27] <mortici> jpiccolo_, did you follow any guides or did you just do it yourself?
[06:27] <ForgeAus> but Id on't know if any of them are windows appliances
[06:27] <jpiccolo_> for what steam?
[06:27] <ForgeAus> you can probably convert microsofts VM's tho
[06:27] <mortici> might be a wine problem? or a steam issue, i mean if it go 38%
[06:28] <ForgeAus> VirtualPC (microsoft aquired it from Connectix I think)... vm's can be run/converted to work with VMware...
[06:28] <jpiccolo_> mortici: if i go to install something like the ded server, it says the Steam servers are to busy try again later
[06:29] <jpiccolo_> i doubt they have been busy for the last 5 hours
[06:29] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure what the extension is I think its .vmc or something???
[06:29] <jpiccolo_> http://www.easyvmx.com/
[06:29] <John-Charles> hh
[06:29] <mortici> jpiccolo_, weird
[06:29] <ForgeAus> jpiccolo you donwloading a torrent?
[06:30] <mortici> jpiccolo_, lemme see if i can find anything on google
[06:30] <jpiccolo_> i tried closing all my torrent connections also
[06:30] <jpiccolo_> no go
[06:32] <lachlan> in a .lst file does # mean comment?
[06:32] <Jucato> yep
[06:33] <Jucato> in menu.lst
[06:33] <ForgeAus> wow easyvmx is kewl
[06:33] <ForgeAus> but only makes the .vmx file a vmdk is harder to deal with
[06:33] <ForgeAus> still you can download blank ones easy enough :)
[06:33] <mortici> jpiccolo_, did you follow a guide or no
[06:33] <ForgeAus> or make them
[06:33] <ForgeAus> its just growing/shrinking/managing ones you might already have
[06:34] <lachlan> how do i back up a file?
[06:34] <ForgeAus> VMware makes an awesome sandbox for os's like reactos or people like me who are trying out various *nix Distros
[06:34] <jpiccolo_> mortici: i followed a guide to get steam up
[06:34] <jpiccolo_> and running
[06:35] <mortici> ok
[06:35] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  copy it to another name. using whatever method you perfer.
[06:35] <nikola> Hi
[06:35] <lachlan> i want to totally get rid of linux from my laptop and leave the windows partition. what would be the best way to do it?
[06:35] <nikola> How do I install a new theme?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> depends on the theme nikola
[06:36] <jpiccolo_> what is vmmom
[06:36] <nikola> let me find the one I want:
[06:36] <Jucato> lachlan: just reformat that partition. or overwrite it..
[06:36] <Dr_willis> kde 'themes' are a bit differently done then other window managers, and how windows does it.
[06:36] <jpiccolo_> vmmon
[06:36] <lachlan> im not abanboning linux i have a seperate computer devoted to linux
[06:36] <ForgeAus> lachlan depends on what kinda backup your looking for
[06:37] <Mace68> those are pretty obscure questions lachlan
[06:37] <ForgeAus> you can copy the file (just make/add the extension .bak or something) you can archive it.... with ark or tar or something... or you could get a backup program but usually for a single file they aren't really a great idea...
[06:37] <mortici> jpiccolo_, only thing i can recommend is to stop the download and try again
[06:37] <mortici> i mean as in delete what you downloaded through steam
[06:37] <mortici> and start the download from fresh
[06:37] <lachlan> Jucato everytime i do that using patition magic 8 on windows when i restart my computer grub loads up with a error i also want grub gone
[06:38] <nikola> ok
[06:38] <mortici> make sure you have enough room on the partiiton as well
[06:38] <nikola> i want one of the themes from kde-look.org
[06:38] <nikola> but i dont seem to have a theme installer or anything
[06:38] <ForgeAus> partition magic 8 hmmm maybe try gparted from in linux instead?
[06:38] <Jucato> lachlan: you also have to resinstall the Windows bootloader onto MBR
[06:38] <lachlan> Mace68 they seem obsuce because i am talking about 2 PCs
[06:38] <jpiccolo_> mortici: i am going to reboot
[06:38] <Mace68> oh, lol... sorry
[06:38] <Jucato> nikola: that depends on what kind of theme you want to install. there are lots of those
[06:38] <mortici> jpiccolo_, why reboot?
[06:39] <nikola> should i link you? : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=43430
[06:39] <Dr_willis> to remove grub. ive normally used the xp cd's rescue feture and the 'fixmbr' command
[06:39] <jpiccolo_> i install vmplayer
[06:39] <nikola> haha, i think that looks nice :P
[06:39] <Dr_willis> removing the linux partitions do not remove grub. since its on the MBR.
[06:39] <lachlan> how do i do that?
[06:39] <Jucato> ugh... lagging connection...
[06:39] <ForgeAus> what I don't get is why windows recovery console is so big to install..
[06:39] <jpiccolo_> i have to reboot after i install vmware-player?
[06:39] <Jucato> lachlan: insert the Windows Installer CD, go to recovery mode, then "fixmbr"
[06:40] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  boot a xp cd, and use the resovery consolke and the fixmbr command...
[06:40] <stdin> jpiccolo_: no
[06:40] <Dr_willis> nikola,  that theme is nasty. :)
[06:40] <mortici> jpiccolo_, its not windows lol
[06:40] <mortici> no need to reboot
[06:40] <nikola> lol
[06:40] <nikola> lemme find the one i originally wanted:
[06:40] <mortici> plus try stopping the download, deleting the files through steam and re downloading
[06:40] <lachlan> kk thx
[06:41] <mortici> seems to have fixed the problem for some people after some reading i have done
[06:41] <jpiccolo_> ok vmware-player is giving me the error, could not open /dev/vmmon
[06:41] <nikola> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27046
[06:41] <nikola> :P
[06:41] <Dr_willis> nikola,  basicially that guy is using a lot of parts of other themes/widget/icon sets to get the look. you woul dhave to isntall those 5 packages or so he has listed there.
[06:42] <jaxon> could anyone tell me whether a newbie should try out 6.10 Edgy...i have been using 6.06drapper for about a mth..would there be too many tech. probs still?
[06:42] <nikola> ok, lemme look
[06:42] <Jucato> Dr_willis: is it a KDE Theme (.kth)?
[06:42] <jaxon> thank you
[06:42] <Jucato> my connections is *very* slow
[06:43] <nikola> um
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it looks like its a .kth + some other parts :)  it looked so ugly i couldent stand to look at it very long.
[06:43] <stdin> jpiccolo_: sudo try /etc/init.d/vmware-player restart
[06:43] <stdin> opps
[06:43] <spitwise> does someone know how to decompress a .sit file?
[06:43] <stdin> jpiccolo_: sudo /etc/init.d/vmware-player restart
[06:43] <nikola> for example, how do i install :
[06:43] <nikola>  - Icons
[06:43] <nikola> Vista-Inspirate_1.0 from kde-look
[06:43] <Jucato> ah yes.. it is  a .kth theme
[06:43] <jpiccolo_> ok now if i go to adept it asks for my password then does nothing
[06:43] <Jucato> nikola: for Icon Themes, go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons,
[06:44] <Jucato> nikola: click on "Install New Theme" and point it to the icon theme archive (don't extract it)
[06:44] <Dr_willis> nikola,  then download that package and drag/drop it to that program Jucato  mentioned is one way.  also I think.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> assuming they dident do some screwy things with the icon set/archive
[06:44] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you can't drag & drap into the icon theme manager directly
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  cant? i sware ive done that befor..
[06:44] <nikola> hmm
[06:44] <nikola> whats the theme URL?
[06:45] <Jucato> gr... I should really get out of my "
[06:45] <Jucato> "lazy mode"
[06:45] <gkffyji> I have an old computer runing Kubuntu linux, when i boot up i get into terminal window and when i try to startx i get an error it says no screens found,
[06:45] <stdin> jpiccolo_: try starting adept from a konsole session and look for errors "kdesu adept"
[06:45] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you can drag into the dialog box asking for the path to the archive, but not into the icon theme list
[06:45] <nikola> ok
[06:45] <nikola> i dragged the kth file
[06:45] <nikola> will that work?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you may want to fire up the package manager and search for 'themes' theres a LOT of kde themes/iconsets/widgets that are not installed by default.
[06:45] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you might be thinking of GNOME
[06:45] <Jucato> nikola: no
[06:45] <nikola> ok
[06:45] <jpiccolo_> yeah adept is started a bunch of time
[06:45] <jpiccolo_> s
[06:46] <Dr_willis> nikola,  easy way to get a few dozen new  looks to play with.
[06:46] <stdin> gkffyji: try reconfiguring the X server: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i may be thining of fonts also. :)
[06:46] <jaxon> hi ppl...does anyone here think a newbie should/shouldn't try out 6.10 Edgy...?
[06:46] <Jucato> oh fonts work like that, iirc
[06:46] <nikola> um
[06:47] <nikola> whats the package manager? *n00b* I only know of Adept installer
[06:47] <jpiccolo_> Virtual machine monitor                                            failed
[06:47] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you got it :)
[06:47] <Dr_willis> !adept
[06:47] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:47] <nikola> :P
[06:47] <stdin> jaxon: edgy isn't very different from dapper, so go for it
[06:48] <nikola> -_- the only options i get are games graphics internet multimedia office others settings system and utilities.....
[06:49] <stdin> nikola: Kmenu -> System -> Adept
[06:49] <jaxon> stdin..thx....really..cos i've only been a linux user for a mth..n i thought there might still be tech issuses i cant handle if computer hangs...or is it v stable now?
[06:49] <nikola> oh.... ok :P
[06:49] <stdin> jaxon: edgy is the latest stable release, so you should be fine
[06:50] <Dr_willis> nikola,  :) and use the search feature.. you may want to check/enable the other repositories also.
[06:50] <jaxon> lovely...nice one stdin
[06:50] <stdin> jaxon: also, you can ask for help in here if you have any trouble :)
[06:51] <jaxon> cool...it's because of the 18mth support n 3 yr support i am worried about but i guess i cant upgrade to the next release by then?
[06:52] <stdin> jaxon: yeah, the next release is out in april
[06:53] <ubuntu> how do i share a file with a windows network.....i have samba installed
[06:55] <nikola> i cant seem to find a lot of these icons/themes
[06:55] <jpiccolo_> !ftp @ jpiccolo_
[06:55] <ubotu> ftp: The FTP client. In component main, is standard. Version 0.17-16 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 152 kB
[06:55] <nikola> i find alot, but i dont know what they are, lol
[06:55] <Dr_willis> !samba
[06:55] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:55] <jpiccolo_> !samba @ ubuntu
[06:55] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 2836 kB, installed size 7200 kB
[06:55] <jaxon> stdin....i have been trying to install the latest firefox 2.0.0.1 but not sure which installer to look for once downloaded as a tar.gz file?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> it may be easier to just install ssh, and use winscp on the windows box to grab a few files if needed. :)
[06:57] <unix_infidel> well, that all depends on the size and resources on the boxes
[06:58] <mortici> jaxon, you need to untar it, then either run an installer provided, or compile it
[06:58] <stdin> jaxon: I think firefox is in the backports repository, you can install it like that, or there is a help page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:58] <mortici> depending wether its the binary or source tar file
[06:58] <Dr_willis> yea - i noticed my firefox updated. :) i think it came from backports
[06:58] <lachlan> Jucato i have dont have a win xp disk to use fixmbr so i have edited grub so it defults to windows. is it possible to wipe my linux partition but still keep grub? i plan on making the linux partition fat so i can still use it for storing wingows files
[06:59] <Jucato> Dr_willis: in edgy? no. it's from edgy-security
[06:59] <stdin> in dapper, it's in dapper-backports
[06:59] <Jucato> lachlan: I'm not so sure
[06:59] <stdin> in edgy, 2.0 is default
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i just rember yesterday i think.. it suddendly said "you updated firefox....." heh -- after my daily updates.
[07:00] <Jucato> stdin: Firefox was updated to 2.0.0.1 in Edgy
[07:00] <Ralth> Hello everyone!  I have Edgy on a Dell Inspiron 1300, and the sound is not working.  And suggestions?
[07:00] <Jucato> just a few days ago
[07:00] <stdin> Jucato: yes I know
[07:00] <Jucato> or yesterday... whichever
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Firefox/2.0.0.1 (Ubuntu-edgy)
[07:00] <stdin> Jucato: but 2.0 includes 2.0.0.1 :p
[07:00] <Jucato> :P
[07:00] <Jucato> stdin: not by default
[07:00] <Jucato> in Edgy
[07:00] <stdin> besides, I'm in feisty atm
[07:00] <nikola> um, now I am confused. I installed a random icon theme from Adept manager, and I don't know where it is. Nothing is different in my system settings appearance, and... ya
[07:00] <lachlan> does anybody know what partition grub is installed on?
[07:01] <stdin> lachlan: it will be in the MBR, not a partition
[07:01] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you have to selexct the icon set with the control-center icon settings tool :)
[07:01] <Jucato> the default Fx version in Edgy is 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3, after the update it's 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10
[07:01] <nikola> ........ where is that?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> nikola,  it dosent just auto-change to that set because you installed it.. explore your menus.
[07:01] <spitwise> does anyone know about decompressing a .sit (stuffit)tm file?
[07:01] <Jucato> nikola: System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons
[07:01] <Dr_willis> I always add the 'settings' taskbar quick launcher. :)
[07:02] <Ralth> Hello everyone!  I have Edgy on a Dell Inspiron 1300, and the sound is not working.  And suggestions?
[07:02] <lachlan> stdin does that mean it is in the swap partition? it has to be stored somewhere
[07:02] <Jucato> nikola: like what Dr_willis said, installing a new icon theme doesn't automatically change your icon theme. it just gets added to the list
[07:02] <stdin> Jucato: in feisty default is 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu1 (from main repo)
[07:02] <nikola> i know, but thats the thing, nothing was added....
[07:02] <Jucato> Dr_willis: true, but the taskbar launcher follows KControl's layout, not System Settings
[07:02] <firecrotch> Hi, I've been trying to get compiz working and I'm having some problems.  I have no window decorations at all, and compiz-settings is broken
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  and it makes Much more sence to me that way... :P
[07:03] <Jucato> nikola: what's the name of the icon theme you installed?
[07:03] <Jucato> Dr_willis: some yes, some no...
[07:03] <stdin> lachlan: the MBR (master boot record) is at the beginning of the drive, where the partition table is stored, it's not on any partition
[07:04] <Dr_willis> heh. we have a "system" menu item.. a "settings" menu item.. and a "System Settings" menu item
[07:04] <nikola> just a sec....
[07:04] <stdin> !sound | Ralth
[07:04] <ubotu> Ralth: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:04] <Jucato> :)
[07:04] <lachlan> stdin then how come evertime i delete my linux and swap partitions grub gets a error 22?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  grub is on the MBR of hte hard drive... the partitiosn have nothing to do with it.
[07:05] <stdin> lachlan: because it's looking for it's stage files, but as you just said, grub is still there
[07:06] <firecrotch> Does anyone here have any experience with Compiz?
[07:06] <jpiccolo> mortici: well its working now
[07:06] <jaxon> thank you....mortici n thank you....stdin
[07:07] <stdin> jaxon: no problem
[07:07] <stdin> firecrotch: I found beryl much easier to install than compiz
[07:07] <lachlan> stdin can i put grubs stage files in windows?
[07:07] <jpiccolo> yay steam finally working, stupid steam
[07:07] <firecrotch> I tried using Beryl once, broke my computer even worse than it is now
[07:08] <stdin> lachlan: not sure, I know you can if it's a fat32 file system, but don't know about ntfs
[07:08] <mortici> jpiccolo, did it start all a sudden
[07:08] <firecrotch> stdin: have they made any changes lately (past month or so) that make it any easier to get working?
[07:08] <mortici> or after deleting and starting the download again
[07:08] <jpiccolo> mortici: no i downloaded just the steam app an tried that way
[07:09] <stdin> firecrotch: there is a new version out 0.1.4
[07:09] <lachlan> how can i empty my swap partition?
[07:09] <mortici> just the steam app?
[07:09] <jpiccolo> mortici: before i had installed from a dvd
[07:09] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  you can use fdisk and just delete it... if thats waht you mean...
[07:09] <jpiccolo> i have hl2 on dvd boughten
[07:09] <firecrotch> stdin: I'll check it out after getting rid of everything that I broke installing compiz
[07:09] <mortici> jpiccolo, ahhh i see
[07:09] <jpiccolo> yeah downloading at 1.2MB/s
[07:09] <mortici> you used the internet version of steam
[07:10] <jpiccolo> i am now
[07:10] <firecrotch> stdin: will Beryl work with an Intel Integrated graphics card?
[07:10] <jpiccolo> i had installed hl2 from the dvd i have thinking that would be better, guess not
[07:10] <lachlan> im thinking if i had grub's stage files in the small swap partition and then wiped linux then my problem would be solved stdin
[07:10] <stdin> firecrotch: yes, that's what I have and it works great
[07:10] <mortici> jpiccolo, sometimes yes sometimes no
[07:10] <mortici> :P
[07:10] <firecrotch> stdin: Thanks alot!
[07:10] <mortici> jpiccolo, i guess we learn the hard way
[07:11] <stdin> lachlan: you can't boot from (or write to) a swap partition
[07:11] <jpiccolo> i was trying to save on downloading o well
[07:11] <jpiccolo> yeah, now i know
[07:11] <mortici> :)
[07:11] <stdin> no problem firecrotch
[07:11] <stdin> :)
[07:11] <lachlan> can i create a really small partition and put grubs stage files there and then wipe linux?
[07:12] <jpiccolo> i got wireshark too
[07:12] <mortici> jpiccolo, if you were using the dvd to install it might have been looking for something that didn't exist :/
[07:12] <mortici> wireshark :P
[07:12] <jpiccolo> i guess,or it couldnt match up what i needed to upgrade
[07:12] <stdin> lachlan: yes, that will work
[07:12] <lachlan> can u help me do that?
[07:12] <jpiccolo> how could i put a router in broadcast mode?
[07:12] <mortici> jpiccolo, very true :)
[07:13] <mortici> connect to it and change the settings jpiccolo :P
[07:13] <jpiccolo> hehe now i want to sniff my roommates im convos
[07:13] <jpiccolo> haha
[07:13] <mortici> lol
[07:13] <jpiccolo> you cant sniff through a router can you
[07:14] <mortici> you can monitor any packets on any ip as long as its from the same router
[07:14] <lachlan> stdin could u help me create that small partition?(it would have to dig into the current linux partition)
[07:15] <mortici> i love beryl :)
[07:15] <nikola> ok
[07:15] <nikola> um
[07:15] <nikola> i cant find any of the icon or style packages used in any of these themes -_-
[07:15] <nikola> cant i do something with the .kth file?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> lachlan,  if you are whiping out linux.. why are you keeping grub?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> the .kth files are just like a set of 'to get this theme.. we use these other parts' sort of file nikola
[07:17] <Jucato> nikola: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/kde-theme.html
[07:17] <Jucato> Dr_willis: almost done with the Kubuntu version...
[07:18] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:18] <lachlan> it seems the easist way to do things without a XP cd
[07:18] <Jucato> I just have to add a special section for KDM themes...
[07:18] <Mexandrew> Salutations. I need a bit of help concerning Kubuntu and XP.
[07:18] <Mexandrew> Can someone please help me?
[07:18] <jseattle> does anyone know what runs widgets in ubuntu?
[07:19] <Dr_willis> gnome = gdesklets, kde = karamba/superkaramba
[07:19] <jseattle> thx
[07:19] <Dr_willis> and they are not the same. :)
[07:19] <nikola> using the Theme Manager in KDE Control Center
[07:19] <Dr_willis> there are other widget/desktop things out as well i recall.
[07:19] <nikola> i dont know where that is
[07:19] <nikola> ......
[07:19] <nikola> I got linux working yesterday, im a real n00b, sry
[07:20] <Jucato> aDesklets
[07:20] <Mexandrew> I had 98SE on the primary, active partition, but a failed Sp2 updated nuked it, so I decided to install Kubuntu there
[07:20] <Jucato> nikola: press Alt+F2, type in KControl
[07:20] <Jucato> nikola: I mean, "kcontrol"
[07:20] <Dr_willis> nikola,  ya could spend some time learning/reading about the os and all the OTHER neat stuff... then worrying about silly themes. :)
[07:20] <Mexandrew> but I had my fears, that GRUB wouldn't boot XP since probably my then current boot sector would be gone
[07:20] <spitwise> run command > kcontrol
[07:20] <firecrotch> stdin: I'm looking at the instructions for installing Beryl (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy); is there anything different that I have to do since I'm using Kubuntu?
[07:20] <nikola> ive done some of that :P
[07:20] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  thats the one launched by the taskbar-applet 'settings' right?
[07:21] <Mexandrew> I've read that GRUB can boot directly some OSes, I don't know if XP is in that bunch of OSes
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Mexandrew,  grub can easially boot XP
[07:21] <Mexandrew> So, can anyone give me any tips, please?
[07:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: which is not normally on default Kubuntu installations :P
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it should be! argh!
[07:21] <noiesmo> Mexandrew, if you have windowsxp installed and want to install ubuntu it will install grub and you will be able to select ubuntu or xp
[07:21] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: and add more stuff to the panel? no thanks :P
[07:22] <noiesmo> Mexandrew, it is recommended to install windows then ubuntu or kubuntu
[07:22] <Mexandrew> noiesmo: Problem is, I'm not ableto.
[07:22] <stdin> firecrotch: not really, just follow everything from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy#head-793d6ee7eb031a42185b9a87913540d396e3f28f
[07:22] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i remove the stuff that is there by default. :)
[07:22] <Jucato> System Settings is good enough for most jobs... you oldies just need to get used to new stuff :P
[07:22] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks, wish me luck :)
[07:22] <flaccid> !postgresql
[07:22] <ubotu> postgresql: object-relational SQL database management system (transitional). In component universe, is optional. Version 7.5.21 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[07:22] <Mexandrew> noiesmo: I had XP, but GRUB didn't recognize it
[07:22] <stdin> firecrotch: except for the "Add beryl to your session startup" part, then come back :p
[07:22] <Mexandrew> on what would be Windows' drive arrangements:
[07:23] <noiesmo> Mexandrew, odd I have dual boot and ubuntu recognized my xp
[07:23] <Mexandrew> C: had the destroyed 98SE, which became Kubuntu
[07:23] <Jucato> :P
[07:23] <Mexandrew> D and E are data
[07:23] <Mexandrew> F and G are my CD drives
[07:23] <Mexandrew> H (on the second HDD, others are on first) is the Windows XP partition
[07:23] <Mexandrew> and I is another data partition
[07:24] <Dr_willis> egads....
[07:24] <Mexandrew> Yes.
[07:24] <Mexandrew> e-damn-gads. T-T
[07:24] <Dr_willis> you need to learn how linux and grub  names the drives for a start.
[07:24] <Mexandrew> I kinda know
[07:25] <Mexandrew> let me check which is XP
[07:25] <Mexandrew> give me a second, please
[07:25] <Dr_willis> 'sudo fdisk -l'   will give some clues
[07:25] <firecrotch> stdin: I'm getting a warning about a bunch of packages not being authenticated
[07:25] <Mexandrew> it would be hdb over here
[07:25] <Mexandrew> argh
[07:25] <Mexandrew> hdb1
[07:26] <Mexandrew> but let me try that
[07:26] <Dr_willis> so you got 2 hard drives.. both are on the same ide 'cable' ?
[07:26] <Mexandrew> Yes
[07:26] <Jucato> hdb1 = hd1,0
[07:26] <Dr_willis> hdb sounds right then. :)
[07:26] <stdin> firecrotch: did you do this command? " wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[07:26] <Dr_willis> odd the installer dident see it.
[07:26] <firecrotch> Yes
[07:27] <Mexandrew> SHould I paste what sudo fdisk -l gave me?
[07:27] <Mexandrew> for hdb
[07:27] <dope> how do i check a harddrive for errors and fix them?
[07:28] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I think you accidentally left a channel
[07:28] <stdin> firecrotch: you can ignore the warning, and continue
[07:28] <Dr_willis> dope,  'fsck' command. i normally use a live cd. :)
[07:28] <dope> that's what i'm doing now
[07:28] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  slowly closing them out.. getting ready for bed.
[07:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:28] <firecrotch> stdin: will do
[07:28] <Jucato> aah
[07:28] <Jucato> lol
[07:28] <Jucato> night Dr_willis
[07:28] <Dr_willis> have to 'taper off' :)
[07:29] <Jucato> haha
[07:29] <Mexandrew> Dr_willis: I remember reading how, with some effort, GRUB can directly boot thw kernel and other instructions for some OSes besides Linux
[07:29] <Mexandrew> I wonder if it would work with XP?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> Mexandrew,  Huh?  never noticed that feature that way.. or worried about it. :)
[07:30] <Mexandrew> Hmm, let me try to dig the link...
[07:30] <Dr_willis> night all.
[07:30] <Mexandrew> Oh, night.
[07:30] <dope> i can't unmount these 2 drives
[07:30] <dope> i know it's umount but then what?
[07:30] <nikola> well
[07:30] <nikola> that was interesting
[07:31] <nikola> it gave me a new background and slightly different windows
[07:31] <nikola> but the rest is the same
[07:31] <firecrotch> stdin: Alright, I have it installed now. I'm up to the "Add beryl to your session startup" section
[07:31] <noiesmo> dope, you'll need livecd or recovery mode might do it as drives cannot be mounted while being used
[07:31] <stdin> ok
[07:31] <dope> i'm in a live cd right now
[07:31] <noiesmo> dope, to fsck that is
[07:31] <dope> i mounted 2 drives to recover some data and now i want to umount them and use fsck
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: all you need to do there, if you want beryl to auto start, is open konsole, then cd to ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: then type: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager .
[07:32] <Jucato> nikola: because in order for a .kth to completely work, all the "parts" (other themes) that it points to or uses should already be installed
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: (with the dot at the end)
[07:32] <noiesmo> dope, hmm maybe reboot then they not mounted but you should be able to umount
[07:33] <Jucato> nikola: meaning, a .kth theme is practically useless if you don't have the matching icons, window decoration, styles, etc. it will only change colors, fonts, and backgrounds
[07:33] <firecrotch> stdin: then just restart X?
[07:33] <stdin> firecrotch: yeah, best to logout 1st tho
[07:34] <firecrotch> Okay
[07:34] <dope> i'm not sure how to use umount
[07:34] <dope> and i don't understand the manual
[07:34] <noiesmo> dope, umount /mount/point
[07:34] <dope> so umount /media/sda2
[07:34] <dope> ?
[07:34] <noiesmo> if thats were you mounted it dope
[07:34] <Murchadh> dope: sudo umount /dev/sda2
[07:35] <dope> so it's dev?
[07:35] <stdin> both work dope
[07:35] <dope> ok brb
[07:35] <Murchadh> dope: You can use the device name or mount point.
[07:35] <Mexandrew> Well
[07:35] <Mexandrew> I'll try messing with GRUB
[07:36] <Mexandrew> I already lost XP
[07:36] <Mexandrew> and if I lose Kubuntu I can simply reinstall
[07:36] <firecrotch> stdin: everything seems to be fine :)
[07:36] <noiesmo> !dualboot
[07:36] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:36] <stdin> firecrotch: do you get the wobbly windows now?
[07:36] <noiesmo> !dualboot | Mexandrew
[07:36] <ubotu> Mexandrew: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:36] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Sorry, WinXP is broken?
[07:37] <firecrotch> stdin: I have no clue what you mean
[07:37] <dope> ok so all i type is fsck?
[07:37] <stdin> firecrotch: when you move a window, dose it wobble?
[07:37] <dope> and that'll fix errors on the disk?
[07:37] <firecrotch> Nope
[07:37] <noiesmo> dope, fsck /dev/sdax
[07:37] <dope> ok
[07:38] <stdin> firecrotch: do you have the beryl icon in the system tray?
[07:38] <stdin> (looks like a ruby)
[07:38] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: Yes, XP is not recognized by GRUB
[07:38] <dope> beryl was nothing but a hassle for me.  i just gave up on it
[07:38] <firecrotch> stdin: no icon
[07:38] <noiesmo> dope, you got ati card
[07:38] <dope> nvidia
[07:38] <dope> on both computers
[07:39] <noiesmo> dope, w00t i have nvidia and beryl works fine little buggy now and then
[07:39] <stdin> firecrotch: strange, what if you press alt-f2 (to open the run dialog), and in there type: beryl-manager
[07:39] <dope> mine never worked properly
[07:39] <noiesmo> dope, :(
[07:39] <dope> it worked for a bit once but then i got an xserver crash on next restart
[07:39] <stdin> beryl has always worked for me
[07:40] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Can you mount the partition WinXP is on under kubuntu?
[07:40] <dope> and i never got it to work properly afterwards, my window title bars disappear everytime
[07:40] <stdin> <-- intel gpu
[07:41] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: I think it's already mounted
[07:41] <Mexandrew> SOrry, this is teh second time I've ever played with Kubuntu
[07:41] <Mexandrew> I can access XP's partition under /media/hdb1
[07:41] <Mexandrew> so I guess it's mounted
[07:41] <nikola> how do you instal a beryl theme?
[07:42] <noiesmo> nikkiana, there actually emerld themes
[07:42] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: It's all good. At a shell type mount and report back what you get with regard to your WinXP partition.
[07:42] <noiesmo> nikola, there actually emerld themes
[07:42] <dope> what's the command to see all the file systems and percent of space they have?
[07:42] <nikola> i saw that by the extension....
[07:42] <dope> i think it's df something
[07:42] <noiesmo> dope, df -h
[07:42] <dope> that's it
[07:43] <firecrotch> stdin: beryl started, but I couldn't use my keyboard.  Ctrl + Alt + backspace to kill X, now beryl starts when I login
[07:43] <dope> wait maybe not
[07:43] <Mexandrew> That mus the the correct one
[07:43] <Mexandrew> Ah darn
[07:43] <stdin> firecrotch: hmm, so now you have the effects?
[07:43] <Mexandrew> "/dev/hdb1 on /media/hdb1 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46)"
[07:43] <firecrotch> stdin: yep.  I love you.  Marry me
[07:43] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Does it say /dev/hdb1?
[07:43] <Mexandrew> yes
[07:44] <stdin> freeride: sorry, I don't do long distance relationships :p
[07:44] <Mexandrew> Wait, under Konqueror's file browser you mean?
[07:44] <ForgeAus> apparently VMWare does can/does provide 3D acceleration (via processor rather than video card driver... somehow)
[07:44] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: Gimme a minute to check my menu.lst.
[07:45] <mortici> anyone here have a sony vaio laptop, and have the brightness go up or down on ac in or out?
[07:45] <firecrotch> stdin: thanks for your help, and thanks for making my very first IRC experience a good one :D
[07:45] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: Okay. By the way, if I'm going to edit mine... can you tell me how to start Kate as root?
[07:45] <dope> mortici: that's to save power i think
[07:45] <mortici> dope, yes i know
[07:45] <Mexandrew> I tried kdesu Kate, but clearly it won't work
[07:45] <stdin> freeride: you're welcome :D
[07:45] <mortici> but it doesn't work on my laptop
[07:45] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: IBM ThinkPad here, working brightness change...
[07:45] <dope> oh
[07:45] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, wonderfull, but im on a sony :P
[07:45] <dope> mine does do that in linux
[07:45] <dope> i think
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: Which Kubuntu?
[07:46] <Mexandrew> I don't know much about linux, this is the second time I've installedit, last time was 5 months ago, and it was Kubuntu breezy (5.10)
[07:46] <stdin> Mexandrew: kdesu kate should open kate as root
[07:46] <Mexandrew> This is the reason why I installed it again, 'cause I want to learn how to use it, since it's legal and well, I feel comfortable with it
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Mexandrew: It's kate not Kate!
[07:47] <Mexandrew> MilhousePunkRock: Right, I tend to forget about not putting caps
[07:47] <Jucato> :O
[07:47] <stdin> :P
[07:47] <Mexandrew> My bad. *smacks his face on teh desk*
[07:47] <Mexandrew> But yeah, I've gots tons to learn.
[07:47] <Jucato> people are so case insensitive :P
[07:47] <Mexandrew> I'll learn, eventually, I promise.
[07:47] <Jucato> don't promise. just do :)
[07:48] <spitwise> heh, from man wipe: THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS THING TO DO.  Be sure to be sober.
[07:48] <Mexandrew> Might be funny if I tell you, I'm a mexican. And you RARELY see anything different than the comoon stuff (windows) in here
[07:48] <Mexandrew> common*
[07:48] <Mexandrew> Almost all PC techs are corrupt.
[07:48] <Mexandrew> and they do what is best to them
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Mexandrew: I'm German, although this is the motherland of KDE, someone asked me if "this is the Apple OS"
[07:49] <Mexandrew> almost all of them who sell new assembled computers distribute pirated copies of Windows.
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Though I do not even have a very mac-ish look here...
[07:49] <Mexandrew> MilhousePunkRock: Heh, well, the shinyness and the icons remind me of MacOS X, but I wouldn't confuse them
[07:49] <Mexandrew> I tell you, people are never told about these things
[07:50] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, running edgy 6.10
[07:50] <stdin> gnome looks more like mac than kde
[07:50] <Mexandrew> Murchadh: I found this link on Google, might give some clues...
[07:50] <Mexandrew> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=513476
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: Do you have that black, barred battery icon in the tray? (guidance power manager)
[07:54] <Mexandrew> Erm, I just freaked out. Is it normal for Kubuntu to turn off the screen for like 15 seconds if you just adjust the time display?
[07:55] <stdin> no
[07:56] <Mexandrew> *freaks out even more*
[07:56] <Mexandrew> Well, my system is somewhat damaged, so I am glad it didn't explode or anything
[07:58] <ForgeAus> erm defreak then!
[07:59] <ForgeAus> stdin if kdocker is installed then kde looks more like mac
[07:59] <ForgeAus> or can anyhow
[08:00] <ForgeAus> theres prolly an aqua-like theme for it too
[08:00] <stdin> kde can look like anything you want :p
[08:00] <ForgeAus> (whcih could also be true of gnome anyway)
[08:00] <ForgeAus> ahh but looking like and funtionality are two different beasts right?
[08:01] <ForgeAus> Apple went after Stardock for their XP theme that made it look like Aqua
[08:01] <ForgeAus> (I think it was panther before panther was actually released)
[08:02] <Mexandrew> Hmm, I guess Murchadh is kinda busy
[08:02] <Mexandrew> I found some instructions, and they shouldn't hurt kubuntu
[08:02] <Mexandrew> so I'm going to try them
[08:07] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/530/
[08:08] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: That needs to be added to your /boot/grub/menu.lst , well the last 5 lines of whats in the pastebin.
[08:09] <Murchadh> Mexandrew: That should boot an XP install on hdb1, Fingers crossed.
[08:09] <Mexandrew> Oh, thanks, Murchadh
[08:09] <Mexandrew> Yep, fingers crossed >->
[08:10] <Jucato> (toes crossed, too, if you want)
[08:11] <knivage> Hi everyone :)
[08:11] <firecrotch> Hi knivage
[08:11] <Rob-West> nixternal u here
[08:12] <Mexandrew> Well, Going to try Murchadh's fix
[08:12] <Mexandrew> Wish me luck, I'll be back soon
[08:12] <knivage> I finally got my Kubuntu 6.10 DVD (woot!) and I just needed some help setting up my Wireless adapter (Realtek RTL8187) which I got with my M2N32 SLI Delux MoBo.
[08:12] <knivage> Apparently Edgy supports it out of the box but I'm not sure how to set it up.
[08:13] <knivage> Anyone know what to do? I haven't got much experience with Linux.
[08:13] <Murchadh> !wireless
[08:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:14] <knivage> Thanks!
[08:14] <Rob-West> Ubuntu owns
[08:14] <Rob-West> i like it
[08:15] <Rob-West> ive never messed with wireless
[08:15] <Rob-West> unless a cordless phone counts
[08:15] <knivage> So, can all this be adapted to Kubuntu?
[08:16] <knivage> Where would I go for all these settings?
[08:16] <Rob-West> go to the networking area
[08:16] <Rob-West> hang on
[08:16] <Murchadh> knivage: I think hardware wise, yeah!
[08:16] <knivage> Okay, thanks :)
[08:16] <Rob-West> im using the wrong ubuntu
[08:16] <Rob-West> in in gnome not kde
[08:16] <knivage> lol :p
[08:17] <Rob-West> im in *
[08:17] <Rob-West> so i cant help
[08:17] <MilhousePunkRock> knivage: Anything that's done on the shell applies to all *buntus
[08:17] <knivage> ok.
[08:18] <Rob-West> network settings should be in System -> Administrator -> Network Tools
[08:18] <Rob-West> atleast thats where its at in gnome
[08:18] <mexandrew> And as I've said in previous times...
[08:18] <mexandrew> Oh damnation.
[08:19] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Didn't Work T-T
[08:19] <mexandrew> I've got 2 options then
[08:19] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Did it give you that option at boot time?
[08:20] <mexandrew> Err, yes, I pressed ESC to see the menu
[08:20] <mexandrew> option was there, didn't work
[08:20] <Rob-West> knivage it should be called Networking
[08:20] <mexandrew> froze at starting up..."
[08:21] <mexandrew> I can try to do a chkdsk -p and fixbott from Windows XP's install CD
[08:21] <knivage> okay, I think that I might of been in something before taht listed my wireless adapted and my 2 ethernet ports and they were all active I think but when I goto look at wireless networks the list is empty.
[08:21] <knivage> im not in linux at the moment so I can't really check.
[08:21] <fiandre> Hi. how can I retrieve the hostname from an ip? thnks
[08:22] <mexandrew> or remove Kubuntu, install a fresh XP installation, edit the boot.ini file so my previous, complete XP will boot, then install Kubuntu again, somewhere else so GRUB will see it
[08:23] <heapme> how can i make it so i can copy files to my ntfs partition (it says it's read only right now)?
[08:24] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Has windows ever booted with the drive as the second drive on the first ide chain. Was that it's physical location when XP used to work?
[08:24] <knivage> Well, I think I'll boot up in Kubuntu now and have a look around the networking options :)
[08:24] <knivage> Thanks for the help :)
[08:24] <knivage> Cya.
[08:24] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Yes
[08:25] <mexandrew> But... well, it's time to risk myself appearing as some sort of knowitall who just pulls things out of nowhere
[08:25] <mexandrew> First of all, I had 98SE only. On first partition, on first HDD.
[08:25] <Murchadh> mexandrew: I vaguely recall a /mbr switch for chkdsk or somesuch!
[08:25] <stdin> fiandre: you can install the 'host' package to do that
[08:25] <stdin> !host | fiandre
[08:25] <ubotu> host: utility for querying DNS servers. In component universe, is extra. Version 20000331-9 (edgy), package size 69 kB, installed size 168 kB
[08:25] <mexandrew> Then, I added XP on first partition on salve, secondary HDD
[08:26] <mexandrew> slave*
[08:26] <mexandrew> Then, 98SE got corrupted, so I decide to install Kubuntu there
[08:26] <mexandrew> and WHAMMO
[08:26] <mexandrew> Here I am
[08:26] <fiandre> stdin: thnks
[08:26] <mexandrew> As I see it, my previous boot loader (XP's) wa socmpletely wiped, and whatever wasin teh MBR replaced by GRUB
[08:27] <stdin> np fiandre
[08:27] <mexandrew> Since I deleted my first partition on my first HDD before installing Kubuntu (I did it on the installer's partition assistant thing)
[08:27] <mexandrew> I guess it's all gone
[08:27] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Don't go there yet.
[08:28] <mexandrew> Murchadh: I guess I should try... either way, I'd have to reinstall Kubuntu (or find a way of installing GRUB and configuring it properly)
[08:28] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Huh?
[08:28] <Murchadh> mexandrew: First off, you can access the data on the XP partition, right?
[08:29] <mexandrew> From Kubuntu? Yes, I can.
[08:29] <mexandrew>  /media/hdb1
[08:31] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Cool! I would in your situation try putting the XP Drive in as Master and see if you can get it to boot, using repair disk if neccessary. See what happens from there...
[08:31] <mortici> anyone here running on a sony laptop?
[08:32] <mexandrew> Hmm, good idea...
[08:32] <mexandrew> That way, the modification you sent me would work
[08:32] <mexandrew> As I see it.
[08:33] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: If you have that guidance power manager icon in the tray, you should be able to set up the brightness from there, like I was trying to tell you before...
[08:33] <Murchadh> mexandrew: XP partition likes to be first anyway, so it's a good start.
[08:33] <mexandrew> heh
[08:34] <mexandrew> Well, in just a moment I'll try
[08:34] <deus3> hey, could someone recomend a laptop power manager?  I need something that will maybe sit in the system tray or on the panel and tell me how much power I have left, and give me a warning when its running low
[08:35] <deus3> right now my computer will actually just stop working suddenly because I had no idea I was running out of power
[08:35] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Demote?
[08:35] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, i have the power manager running
[08:35] <mortici> and i have it set to lower the brightness, but it doesn't
[08:35] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Guidance Power Manager for example
[08:36] <mexandrew> Anyway
[08:36] <mexandrew> must try that solution you gave me
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: You did hit "apply", didn't you?
[08:36] <mexandrew> BRB
[08:36] <deus3> do you know what the apt-get for that is?
[08:36] <Murchadh> mexandrew: From first to second, or third perhaps in the partition order!
[08:36] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, of courwse
[08:36] <mortici> err course
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Hmm...
[08:36] <mortici> how do you adjust your brightness through the konsole?
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: "sudo apt-get install kde-guidance-powermanager" I guess...
[08:38] <mortici> i have that installed
[08:39] <dope> what's the average size buffer most harddrives have now a days?
[08:39] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: I seem to have it, but I cant find it anywhere on my system.
[08:39] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: is it in the system tray?
[08:40] <kraut> moin
[08:40] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: I think I had that problem too, but I can't remember how I solved it. Should be in the tray, yes...
[08:40] <ironfroggy> how can i get OOo to use my cups printer?
[08:40] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: are you sure you dont remeber?
[08:40] <MilhousePunkRock> ironfroggy: Can't you just choose it?
[08:41] <ironfroggy> it doesnt show anything besides "default printer" which doesnt do anything
[08:41] <ironfroggy> hmm.. unless my cups config is messed up again
[08:41] <ironfroggy> my printer keeps changing IPs
[08:41] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Might be I entered "guidance-powermanager" or something alike on a shell and it appeared... Do you have power related settings in the System Settings?
[08:42] <someguy22> can somebody tell me why this sorry excuse for an OS tells me i dont have the right kernel installed to enable the nvidia drivers?
[08:42] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: not that I can see
[08:42] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy22: Most likely your Kernel does not support nvidia?
[08:43] <someguy22> ahhhh well why the fuck not, it does in all the other distros ive tried
[08:43] <MilhousePunkRock> !ops
[08:43] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO
[08:43] <Balsamic_Chicken> i use kbfx background for panel bar, is there anway to make the panel bar background translucent?
[08:43] <someguy22> its just an i386 install
[08:43] <Hobbsee> !language > someguy22
[08:43] <mortici> damn it i need to edit the acpi power.sh script
[08:43] <mortici> i just don't know how
[08:43] <Jucato> someguy22: stop that
[08:43] <Hobbsee> !nvidia | someguy22
[08:43] <ubotu> someguy22: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:43] <MilhousePunkRock> someguy22: You best go back to "the other distros youve tried"
[08:44] <someguy22> milhouse, i probably will
[08:44] <Hobbsee> someguy22: please check that factoid for info on how to install nvidia stuff
[08:44] <burepe> I just installed 6.10 and the resolution is really low. I had the older one on this comp and it was fine. What can I do to fix that?
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: Google is your friend, VAIOs are pretty popular so there will be some guide or even an altered power.sh out there for sure
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: have you tried launching guidance with "guidance-power-manager" ?
[08:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> burepe if u use nividia, i think u can use call in konsole the nvidia command (something like) nvidia-config to change resolution, i forget exact command, but once u find out, u can man that command and see the example section for what to do =)
[08:51] <deus3> hold on
[08:51] <mexandrew> Damnation, once again.
[08:51] <deus3> It thinks its not a laptop
[08:51] <mexandrew> "NTLDR is missing"
[08:51] <burepe> Is there a server install option when installing from the cd?
[08:51] <deus3> It cant find a battery
[08:55] <burepe> what is 6.10 called?
[08:55] <deus3> oh I see
[08:55] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Sounds fixable!
[08:55] <mexandrew> Maybe, maybe not.
[08:56] <mexandrew> What bothers me is that it used to work
[08:56] <mexandrew> Damn I hate windows
[08:56] <stdin> burepe: yes there is a server install option and 6.10 is called edgy
[08:56] <ironfroggy> ok the problem isnt my cups config, so how do i tell OOo where to find the cups server?
[08:56] <scott> Does anybody know why I would get this message..."Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting"?
[08:56] <Sir_Penguin> Hi again, (I was knivage by the way).
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> ironfroggy: usually it's the machine's IP where the printer is connected and port 631
[08:57] <Murchadh> mexandrew: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm for starters.
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> If it's a local printer, it should be localhost:631
[08:57] <burepe> stdin I just installed it and I didn''t see a server option.
[08:57] <mortici> MilhousePunkRock, found a script finally that works
[08:57] <mortici> thanks for the help tho :)
[08:57] <Sir_Penguin> I've been having a look around the wireless settings of Kubuntu and I think I'm getting somewhere except our wireless network uses WPA2 but Kubuntu seems to want to use WEP, is there some way to change the security settings?
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> mortici: No problem
[08:58] <scott> Can anybody offer some help on an error message?
[08:58] <ironfroggy> its not a local printer. and the problem isnt me knowing here it is, but how to tell OOo that.
[08:58] <stdin> burepe: it should be one of the options when you boot from the CD, it may be something like "install a minimal system"
[08:58] <burepe> If I install the server do I have desktop functions?
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Sir_Penguin: What I did was turn the encryption down to WEP to start with. Once that was working, I set it back to WPA and edited the network configuration manually...
[08:59] <stdin> burepe: not by default, it's a text system.
[08:59] <burepe> so how do I get both easy?
[08:59] <stdin> burepe: you can use a desktop system as a server
[08:59] <Sir_Penguin> Okay, thanks. How do I do that second bit you were talking about?
[08:59] <Sir_Penguin> Manually editing the configuration.
[08:59] <mexandrew> Murchadh: I guess I should give that a try.
[09:00] <burepe> I did but it didn't work I couldn't get php working so I reinstalled thinking it would be easier
[09:00] <beels15> its here a peaple from germany ?
[09:00] <mexandrew> I hate being so lazy though, and I'm listening to some music I like a lot, so you see how much I want to turn it off right now and start fixing everything ;P
[09:00] <burepe> hmm... do you know the best way to install a server?
[09:01] <Murchadh> mexandrew: There's a lot to work through, but a lot of learning. Have a good read while you absorb that music.
[09:01] <stdin> burepe: the server install CD will let you setup a LAMP server (LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP), or you can look at this page for help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:01] <beels15> ist hir jemand aus Deutschland ?
[09:02] <burepe> Yeah that is the faq i used
[09:02] <stdin> !de | beels15
[09:02] <ubotu> beels15: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:02] <mexandrew> Murchadh: Heh, yeah. Someday I'll be able to master Kubuntu. ANyhoo, I'm off to try this new fix
[09:02] <deus3> MilhousePunkRock: I have acpi turned off because kubuntu woudnt start on my dell otherwise.  Is that the same problem you had?
[09:02] <Murchadh> mexandrew: Good Luck!
[09:02] <beels15> rcht herzlichen Dank
[09:03] <beels15> und ein frohes neues Jahr nachtrglich
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Not really, I was having issues with ACPI though...
[09:03] <stdin> !de > beels15
[09:03] <deus3> apparently acpi controls all the power management stuff in laptops... poweroff, batterys, screen brightness, etc
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> deus3: Indeed... If it's disabled, you won't get any laptop specific stuff...
[09:04] <Sir_Penguin> Well, I'll try changing to WEP for now, see if I get anywhere, thanks for the help :D
[09:04] <deus3> yeah, Id like to figure out why it didnt work... tommarow.
[09:04] <deus3> goodnight
[09:04] <stdin> burepe: you could ask in #php or ##php for php help
[09:05] <stdin> burepe: or you can just use the server install cd
[09:05] <burepe> I was on it for days. No one could figure out what the problem is. Too late now I reinstalled already.  Now I got to fix the resolution.
[09:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> do u guys know if there's a webcam channel? i tried webcam, there's no such channel, and i was the only one there lol i'm trying to get logitech quickcam 5000 pro to work, some people have it working in mandriva, i use kubuntu, so i'm a little lost =)
[09:05] <burepe> thanks though
[09:06] <stdin> burepe: look at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto for resolution help
[09:06] <stdin> !webcam | Balsamic_Chicken
[09:06] <ubotu> Balsamic_Chicken: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:07] <burepe> stdin Thanks but I don't have a video card.
[09:07] <stdin> burepe: console resolution then?
[09:07] <burepe> No
[09:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin mine is logitech quickcam 5000, are u sure that's gonna work, it's not supported but some people have it working, i've followed almost every guide on google, but most of them seems to be leaving out obvious but important steps here and there, and i downloaded a bunch of stuff, i just don't know how to pull them together
[09:08] <stdin> burepe: what do you mean you don't have a video card then?
[09:08] <burepe> do all computers have video cards? I thought only like gamers and stuff
[09:08] <burepe> no?
[09:08] <burepe> ok sorry
[09:09] <stdin> burepe: it'll probably be an intergrated one, but the instructions are the same
[09:09] <burepe> Thanks
[09:09] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: I don't have a webcam, so I don't know, but take a look at the guide to try
[09:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin ...
[09:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> :)
[09:16] <mortici> another question, do you guys get the OSD through kde for brightness up/down?
[09:16] <frojnd> !osd
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about osd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <mexandrew> And for the third time, damnation.
[09:17] <mexandrew> But oh well
[09:17] <mexandrew> I've come up with a nasty solution, but right now I'm bored, and sleepy
[09:17] <mexandrew> so tomorrow I'll have to fix this
[09:18] <frojnd> have a nice dream
[09:18] <mexandrew> Thanks
[09:18] <mexandrew> and please thanks Murchadh and Dr_Willis on my behalf
[09:18] <mexandrew> thank*
[09:18] <mexandrew> good night everyone
[09:19] <frojnd> its morninge here.. :P
[09:19] <jan__> Hi all... regarding the OSD for brightness: nope, I don't have any
[09:20] <frojnd> what's osd (blush)
[09:20] <jan__> On Screen Display
[09:20] <frojnd> aa
[09:21] <frojnd> I got lcd monitor and I just love it, no sun reflexion :)
[09:21] <frojnd> ok a little
[09:25] <dbase13> good morning
[09:26] <burepe> stdin that faq has a command to redo the auto detect but it is for dapper can I use it even for edgy?
[09:26] <stdin> burepe: yes
[09:26] <ReFF> i just spend my night switching from ubuntu to kubuntu... pretty cool :-) but i have a little problem
[09:27] <ReFF> when i open konqueror
[09:27] <mohd> hello all
[09:27] <burepe> It says after that just hit ok a bunch of times, but the questions seem pretty important. like what driver and keyboard layout. should I just go with it? am i getting to the right screen?
[09:28] <ReFF> when i open konqueror and try to open the path "/" (which should normally give me root folder, including /bin, /boot,...) i get an empty folder
[09:28] <burepe> amount of memory to be used by video card? Just leave it blank?
[09:28] <ReFF> anyone?
[09:28] <stdin> burepe: yes, you can just hit enter, it uses the ones you already have, you only need to change the part about the resolution
[09:29] <stdin> ReFF: you on edgy?
[09:29] <ReFF> yep
[09:29] <burepe> ok thanks
[09:29] <ReFF> since tonight
[09:29] <stdin> that's why then, they are just hidden :p
[09:29] <ReFF> (i am at work now, on windows, so i can't try anything)
[09:29] <ReFF> yeah, i taught that in first place 2
[09:30] <stdin> you can look at the wiki page
[09:30] <stdin> !hidden
[09:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[09:30] <ReFF> omg
[09:30] <ReFF> sorry for the noobish question
[09:30] <ReFF> :-)
[09:30] <ReFF> and thanx
[09:30] <stdin> it wasn't well announced, so most people didn't know
[09:31] <stdin> the "feature" wont be in the next release tho
[09:31] <stdin> because everyone hated it :p
[09:31] <burepe> stdin which resolution should I use. I was at 800-600. so 1024-768 is prob ok right?
[09:31] <Jucato> "wasn't well announced"? It wasn't announced at all :P
[09:31] <ReFF> hehe
[09:31] <stdin> Jucato: well, yeah :p
[09:32] <ReFF> anyways, i figured i'd give KDE a chance
[09:32] <stdin> burepe: yeah, 1024x768 sounds good
[09:33] <burepe> One question, why would it auto detect it this time but not during the install. After the intall there were 2 settings, one being 800-600, but now there were 3 and 1024-768 was already selected.
[09:34] <ubuntu> anyone know of a program to convert mp3's to ACC
[09:34] <stdin> burepe: no idea, it worked for me (tm)
[09:34] <burepe> oh magic!
[09:34] <burepe> got it
[09:34] <burepe> nice
[09:34] <burepe> you know your stuff
[09:35] <frojnd> hello guys.. I have edgy and ge force FX 5500 I wanna to install drivers...
[09:36] <burepe> uh-oh!
[09:36] <stdin> !nvidia | frojnd
[09:36] <ubotu> frojnd: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:36] <burepe> stdin when I got to the log in it was in the right resolution but after it loaded all I get i a beige screen
[09:36] <burepe> no gui
[09:37] <stdin> burepe: try pressing ctrl-alt-BackSpace
[09:37] <stdin> to restart X
[09:37] <burepe> nothing
[09:37] <frojnd> and why the F my cpu works with 100% when I use firefox :S and only when I use firefox...
[09:38] <burepe> that was what brought me to  the log in
[09:38] <frojnd> I am checking this with gkrellm
[09:38] <burepe> frojnd: I heard about that problem before. I think it is a know issue
[09:39] <frojnd> hm..
[09:39] <frojnd> so where are you ppl haveing prob with firefox?
[09:39] <stdin> burepe: do you see the KDM screen when you go to login?
[09:39] <ubuntu> !ACC
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ACC - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <burepe> I am in a loop back to the log in screen now
[09:40] <stdin> ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/AAC
[09:40] <stdin> burepe: is it KDM?
[09:40] <stdin> burepe: the kubuntu login screen?
[09:40] <burepe> no It is gnome. I just installed from the ubuntu cd
[09:40] <burepe> ubuntu log in screen
[09:41] <stdin> burepe: which session did you choose, kde or gnome?
[09:41] <ReFF> you're in a Kubuntu channel burepe :-)
[09:42] <burepe> i know. I just reinstalled from a ubuntu cd. I figured I should fx the screen resolution first and that problem would not be version dependant
[09:42] <burepe> stdin right now there is only gnome
[09:43] <stdin> if gnome isn't starting (just goes back to gdm login screen), then the people in #ubuntu can help more than me
[09:43] <BlackPhoenixx> burepe: just go to TTY1 -> Ctrl+Alt+F1 -> Login -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:45] <ReFF>  i wonder why the developers just hid the folders in root
[09:45] <stdin> maybe because it confuses new users
[09:46] <Jucato> ReFF: you read the wiki page?
[09:46] <ReFF> partially
[09:46] <flaccid> any ipw2200/wpa users here?
[09:46] <ReFF> i'm a new user, and believe me, i was more confused by having no folders in root than that i would have been if there had been a whole bunch of them :-)
[09:46] <burepe> BlackPhoenixx: thanks. Um I am there now but there is something messed that I did last time I was doing this to make it go crazy. What part do you think it was? I had low screen resolution at 800-600 so I re did this and it auto-detected 1024-728. After that the log in was the right resolution but I kept looping back. What setting did I miss?
[09:47] <ReFF> @Jucato: why?
[09:47] <Jucato> ReFF: coz it sort of explains why it was done (hidding some of the folders), iirc
[09:47] <ReFF> ow
[09:48] <stdin> from wiki page: "This feature was added to simplify navigation of the file system by only showing directories which contain user files."
[09:48] <ReFF> i got that page open
[09:48] <ReFF> yeah, ok, i read that part
[09:48] <ReFF> it's not much of an explanation imo... but ok: yeah, i read it ;-)
[09:49] <Jucato> the intention/goal was noble... but the implementation leaves something to be desired... imho
[09:49] <burepe> Ok, I am back to the same problem
[09:49] <ReFF> :-)
[09:50] <stdin> burepe: it seems to be a gnome problam
[09:50] <stdin> *problem
[09:50] <riccardo_> hi, I've recorded a cd but unfortunately too fast and now some files could not read, there is a solution?
[09:51] <ReFF> i just switched from Ubuntu 6.06 to Kubuntu 6.10 tonight (instead of getting some sleep before work)
[09:51] <stdin> riccardo_: only if it's a rewritable cd
[09:51] <stdin> riccardo_: otherwise you now have a new coaster
[09:51] <riccardo_> no but it's not important to use another cd just i need to read this files now
[09:51] <ReFF> and it was really going well, until i had to look for my root folders for 20 minuts
[09:51] <ReFF> it was about 5.40 in the morning, so it made me gave up :-)
[09:52] <ReFF> caught a good hour of sleep thaough
[09:52] <ReFF> hehe
[09:52] <ReFF> -a
[09:52] <riccardo_> exist any software that recover my cd ?
[09:52] <riccardo_> there are only two files that i can't read
[09:52] <burepe> I just asked on #ubuntu.
[09:52] <ReFF> what do you mean with 'recoring a cd'?
[09:52] <burepe> thanks
[09:53] <BlackPhoenixx> burepe: wanted to change to PM but i'm not registerd yet, so the main scren wil have to do
[09:53] <burepe> join #burepe
[09:53] <flaccid> !ipw2200
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipw2200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <riccardo_> I'm trying to create a folder in my desktop and i can copy all the files except thi two files help me please :(
[09:54] <stdin> ReFF: I'm thinking he meant burnt a CD
[09:54] <mortici> how do i add modules to autoload at startup?
[09:54] <riccardo_> yes burnt a cd
[09:54] <Jucato> please keep support questions and answers in the main channel as much as possible.
[09:54] <riccardo_> but probably too fast
[09:54] <ReFF> he said 'recovering a cd'
[09:54] <stdin> mortici: add them to /etc/modules  ,one module per line
[09:55] <riccardo_> reff sorry for my bad english try to understand me
[09:55] <riccardo_> i need to open this two files that result like corrupt
[09:55] <ReFF> no problem riccardo, english is not my language either
[09:55] <riccardo_> i'm italian
[09:56] <ReFF> have you tried copying them to your hard drive?
[09:56] <stdin> ReFF: that's what he's trying to do
[09:56] <riccardo_> yes i have, and i can copy all the files except these two files
[09:56] <ReFF> ow, i tried he was opening directly from the cd
[09:56] <frojnd> how do I know what linux do I have installed?
[09:57] <ReFF> had that problem too with cd's, but i never got it solves
[09:57] <frojnd> I know it's edgy, don't know what it is 64bit or 32bit
[09:57] <riccardo_> kubuntu
[09:57] <ReFF> solved
[09:57] <riccardo_> kde
[09:57] <frojnd> if I uname -a: Linux umbrella 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:57] <ReFF> did you write that cd with the same distro?
[09:57] <riccardo_> now with windows vista and nero burning rom
[09:57] <riccardo_> :(
[09:57] <riccardo_> i have burnt the cd
[09:58] <ReFF> ow
[09:58] <ReFF> :-s
[09:58] <riccardo_> :(((
[09:58] <ReFF> i haven't even installed vista yet... it's to demanding for my hardware
[09:58] <riccardo_> and i haven't a backup about these files
[09:58] <stdin> riccardo_: there is an Itallian kubuntu support channel if you feel more comfortable speaking italian, #kubuntu-it
[09:59] <riccardo_> thanks but there isn't anyone that can help me
[09:59] <stdin> frojnd: you have the 32bit version (shown my the i686 part)
[09:59] <riccardo_> i will try to find something with google...
[09:59] <riccardo_> :(
[10:00] <ReFF> i fear there isn't really a solution for your problem riccardo
[10:00] <frojnd> stdin: ok
[10:00] <stdin> riccardo_: you probably can't recover the files, the files weren't burnt correctly
[10:00] <riccardo_> reff i know but... I have no idea how to do :(
[10:00] <Werdnum> is the kubuntu version of amarok compiled with the MTP plugin?
[10:01] <frojnd> stdin: so I have to install: linux-restricted-modules-686
[10:01] <frojnd> for my nvidia..
[10:01] <riccardo_> stdin I was reading about softwares that maybe recover cd
[10:01] <scott> need help with an error message
[10:01] <riccardo_> because these files are in the cd
[10:02] <stdin> frojnd: yes, or you can use 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`'
[10:02] <riccardo_> only if i try to copy say error
[10:02] <riccardo_> bye bye and thanks @ all
[10:02] <scott> my computer gives me an error shortly after using mp3 software
[10:03] <stdin> bye riccardo_
[10:03] <ReFF> ciao Riccardo
[10:03] <stdin> and good luck
[10:03] <sleepy543> where can I find the file manager in kubuntu 6.06?
[10:03] <ReFF> yep, hope you get your prob fixed
[10:03] <ReFF> sleepy: konqueror
[10:03] <Jucato> sleepy543: it's Konqueror
[10:03] <sleepy543> thanks
[10:03] <ReFF> :-)
[10:04] <scott> Can anybody help me with my error message?
[10:04] <Jucato> sleepy543: Konqueror is file manager and web browser. to launch it as a file manager, click on the system menu button on the taskbar and select Home or whatever the choices there
[10:04] <stdin> scott: what's the error tho?
[10:04] <Werdnum> scott: they could help you if you gave a succinct description of the problem, including the actual error, in one message
[10:04] <scott> Sound server fatal error: cpu overload aborting
[10:05] <stdin> I have never seen that error before, scott
[10:05] <scott> that's not good
[10:06] <scott> It comes about 20sec to 1min after I begin playing music with amarok
[10:06] <m0ns00n> Anyone else experience that contact crashes all the time?
[10:06] <m0ns00n> kontact sorry
[10:06] <Jucato> not here..
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Jucato: Do you use the calendar?
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Jucato: And the todo list etc
[10:07] <Jucato> yep
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Wierd
[10:07] <m0ns00n> When I click from calendar to mail and then calendar, it crashes
[10:07] <Jucato> Koncact with KMail, KOrganizer, Akregator, and BasKet
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Try to click on summary, then mail, inbox, summary and calendar
[10:08] <Jucato> no crash
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Wierd
[10:08] <m0ns00n> here it does crash
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Could perhaps be amd64 issues?
[10:08] <m0ns00n> Also kwin crashes sometimes when using contacts
[10:08] <Jucato> ah.. probably... I'm not on 64-bit
[10:11] <ReFF> doesn't crash here eiter, but i'm not on 64-bit either
[10:12] <frojnd> if I wanna in one command remove some package and install another how can I do that?? sudo apt-get remove 1 install 2 ?
[10:13] <bele_> command1; command2   works....
[10:14] <frojnd> so: sudo apt-get remove 1; install 2 ?
[10:14] <frojnd> or: sudo apt-get remove 1; sudo apt-get install 2 ?
[10:14] <stdin> like, sudo apt-get remove 1; sudo apt-get install 2
[10:14] <bele_> not quite ... yes secord should be correct
[10:15] <Jucato> sudo apt-get remove 1 && sudo apt-get install 2
[10:15] <stdin> same, but different
[10:15] <Jucato> the difference is that with ;, the 2nd command gets executed regardless of whether the 1st command successfully finishes
[10:16] <Jucato> with && the 2nd command only executes if the 1st finished correctly
[10:16] <stdin> yes, isn't bash great :p
[10:16] <ReFF> hehe
[10:16] <ReFF> sweet
[10:16] <ReFF> didn't know that eiter
[10:16] <ReFF> either
[10:16] <llutz> stdin: if you find bash great, start using zsh :)
[10:18] <stdin> you can do 'command 1 && command 2 || command 3' which will execute command 1 and, if it fails, command 3 will be executed, but if it didn't fail command2 will run
[10:20] <Jucato> of course, you couldn't do that with apt-get :)
[10:20] <frojnd> but eith?
[10:20] <frojnd> with
[10:21] <Jucato> any other command... you can't run more than 1 apt-get process simultaneously
[10:21] <stdin> you can do it with any command, it's just not too useful with apt-get
[10:21] <stdin> Jucato: it won't run apt-get more than once at the same time
[10:21] <llutz> Jucato: command-list wit && / || do not run simultaneously
[10:21] <Jucato> oh yeah.. I was thinking of &
[10:22] <Jucato> sorry lol
[10:22] <llutz> tiny difference
[10:22] <stdin> think of it as a simple form of and if statement
[10:22] <stdin> s/and/an/
[10:23] <Jucato> yeah
[10:23] <stdin> except in that example, command 3 will run if command1 OR command2 fail
[10:24] <stdin> shell scripting is fun :p
[10:24] <jpiccolo> anyone using conky?
[10:24] <frojnd> after I restart my X... If I won't be able to come in GUI or even in linux... How can I come in some kind of not graphic or safe mode (while rebooting) so I will be able to backup xorg.conf ??
[10:24] <frojnd> before*
[10:25] <frojnd> that I wasn't able to come in linux happned before... and I install my kubuntu all over again :S
[10:25] <stdin> frojnd: in the grub menu there is a recovery or single user mode, that's what you want
[10:25] <frojnd> k
[10:25] <frojnd> let's restart
[10:25] <matthew> I wonder if genii is dead?
[10:26] <zeek> after playing around with xgl and beryl I can no longer use my V and B keys with out hitting shift, does anyone know how to fix this?
[10:26] <matthew> zeek, try seperating your fingers. that way you can hit each key individually.
[10:26] <ReFF> wow, thats a weird problem
[10:26] <stdin> haven't seen genii since yesterday
[10:27] <ReFF> you guys here every day?
[10:27] <matthew> ReFF, pretty much
[10:27] <matthew> I try to be, at least...
[10:27] <zeek> matthew: try not answering questions you don't know the answer to
[10:27] <stdin> I'm normally here
[10:27] <matthew> although my most used phrase is "sorry, no idea"...lol.
[10:27] <noiesmo> have a amd am2 3800+ wanna install ubuntu would it be better to install 32bit for apps/drivers than 64bit ubuntu and would there be a noticeable difference between 32bit and 64bit ubuntu?
[10:28] <matthew> zeek, it's 1:30 AM here, haven't slept for about 20 hours. I'm entitled to a little fun...I was just kidding. Can't take a joke?
[10:28] <sleepy543> I installed planet penguin, it's not in the games section, where did it go?
[10:28] <zeek> not when it's 3:30am here and I'm trying to code and can't use V and B with out hitting shift
[10:29] <stdin> noiesmo: the only advantages with 64bit over 32bit (that I know of), is if you have 4GB+ RAM and/or need very accurate math
[10:29] <matthew> sleepy543, try typing planetpenguin in the terminal...
[10:29] <noiesmo> stdin, cool thanks
[10:29] <zeek> is there a way I can reBind them to work normal?
[10:29] <matthew> zeek, sorry, no idea
[10:30] <ReFF> that's a really weird problem
[10:30] <sleepy543> says "bash: planetpenguin-racer: command not found
[10:30] <stdin> sleepy543: it's under games -> arcade -> Planet Penguin Racer for me
[10:30] <stdin> sleepy543: and the command to run it is "ppracer"
[10:31] <sleepy543> thanks it works but how do I add it to arcade, it's not there but the command works
[10:32] <stdin> sleepy543: it'll probably show after a logout and login
[10:32] <stdin> sleepy543: or you could kill and restart kicker
[10:33] <wildchild> how do I check if graphic drivers are installed
[10:34] <noiesmo> wildchild, lsmod and alos see logs /var/logs/Xorg.0.log
[10:34] <noiesmo> */alos/also
[10:34] <fiandre> Hi. i'm trying to use minicom. in the configuration menu the serial device results as /dev/tt8 . how can y verify if this is correct? I mean: how can i verify which exact /dev/ttxx corresponds to the attched modem? thnks
[10:34] <sleepy543> not familiar with kicker, how do I do that?
[10:36] <stdin> sleepy543: from the run dialog, you can type: killall kicker && kicker
[10:36] <stdin> !kicker
[10:36] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[10:36] <Jucato> what seems to be the problem?
[10:36] <Jucato> oh...
[10:37] <Jucato> sleepy543: run this command in Konsole. Ignore the errors: kbuildsycoca
[10:37] <Jucato> that would update your menu
[10:37] <stdin> konsole or the run dialog
[10:37] <stdin> it works in both
[10:37] <Jucato> :)
[10:37] <james> !upgrade
[10:37] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:40] <dbase13> wtf
[10:40] <ReFF> got weird problems with mIRC here
[10:40] <stdin> eww, mirc
[10:41] <stdin> :p
[10:41] <ReFF> hehe
[10:41] <ReFF> yes, at work i use a wintel laptop
[10:41] <stdin> can't you do a sneaky dual boot install? :p
[10:42] <jpiccolo> what do i have to do to see my cpu temp
[10:42] <ReFF> i don't have to do it sneaky :-)
[10:42] <sleepy543> did kbuildsycoca, didn't work
[10:42] <ReFF> but i'd rather keep things separated
[10:42] <Jucato> hm...
[10:42] <stdin> ReFF: makes you appreciate kubuntu more :p
[10:43] <ReFF> i have a transport company with 2 other people... one of them has written a fully integrated program, which only runs on windows
[10:43] <ReFF> thereby, using Kubuntu for work at this stage would be inconvenient
[10:43] <stdin> ReFF: have you tried it in wine tho?
[10:44] <ReFF> not yet, but i definitely wil
[10:44] <stdin> sleepy543: did you try killing kicker and restarting it?
[10:44] <ReFF> will
[10:44] <ReFF> just need some time to get used to kubuntu, than i might just install as a dual boor
[10:44] <sleepy543> i'll try again
[10:44] <vado> Bonjour
[10:44] <ReFF> thing is: i have a sony vaio T3, very nice an ultra-portable
[10:44] <ReFF> but not so strong processor
[10:44] <stdin> !fr | vado
[10:44] <ubotu> vado: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:45] <vado> fuck off stdin
[10:45] <ReFF> vado, he's just trying to help you
[10:45] <stdin> that's what you get whan you say bonjour
[10:45] <fiandre> Hi. i'm trying to use minicom. in the configuration menu the serial device results as /dev/tt8 . how can y verify if this is correct? I mean: how can i verify which exact /dev/ttxx corresponds to the attched modem? thnks
[10:45] <ReFF> il veut te diriger vers un channel francais, pour que tu puisse etre aider
[10:45] <ReFF> aid
[10:45] <mortici> how do i disable a module from loading, and how do i get a /dev device to have a certain chmod setting at bootup?
[10:45] <ReFF> :-)
[10:46] <vado> ReFF: j'en ai aps besoin
[10:46] <sleepy543> stdin, nope both ways didn't work
[10:46] <ReFF> bon, ice on parle anglais... c'est tout
[10:46] <mortici> anyone?
[10:46] <stdin> sleepy543: you can add it to the menu manually
[10:46] <sleepy543> ok, how do I do that? :)
[10:47] <vado> ReFF: il ne vont pas me dire a a chaque fois que je dit bonjour j'espere
[10:47] <stdin> sleepy543: right click on the games menu and choose "Edit Menu"
[10:47] <sleepy543> k
[10:47] <ReFF> vado, english please ;-)
[10:47] <vado> si je leur dit "mdsfjijsd" il vont me faire "lesingeblanc | vado" ?
[10:47] <mortici> how do i remove a module from autoloading at bootup?
[10:48] <sleepy543> now what?
[10:48] <stdin> mortici: add the module name to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[10:49] <stdin> sleepy543: click on the arcade sub menu, and then click File -> New Item
[10:49] <ReFF> what is the command to chat with someone in private?
[10:49] <stdin> ReFF: /msg NickName Message
[10:49] <mortici> stdin, if a module makes a /dev/foo there is no way to set a permanent chmod setting unless i put that module built into the kernel correct?
[10:49] <vado> query i think
[10:51] <stdin> mortici: you would have to edit/create a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[10:51] <ReFF> do you peolple see the msg is sent to vado?
[10:51] <stdin> mortici: but I can't help further than that, you can ask in ##linux maybe
[10:51] <stdin> ReFF: no, only you and vado see it
[10:52] <mortici> stdin, thanks
[10:52] <stdin> no problem,  mortici
[10:52] <ForgeAus> the thing I don't like about Linux so much is that so much has to be done on the command line
[10:52] <ReFF> cant i just click on a nickname in the right margin or something? i think i remember something like that from a couple years ago, when i downloaded a lot tru irc
[10:52] <ForgeAus> like its all patched together or something
[10:52] <ReFF> ow, it does :-)
[10:52] <ReFF> just double-click
[10:53] <stdin> :p
[10:54] <stdin> ForgeAus: most things can be done in gui, but more advanced things need command line
[10:54] <ForgeAus> like installing software that isn't listed in Adept for example
[10:55] <stdin> ForgeAus: you can install deb packages from a gui
[10:55] <ForgeAus> yeah deb's are easy
[10:55] <ForgeAus> its tar.gz's or whatever else... some things only come as a .rpm or somethign
[10:56] <ForgeAus> I guess .rpms are ok becasue  you can convert them to .debs...
[10:56] <sleepy543> Is there a place to download more icons? Missing nvidia icon
[10:56] <ForgeAus> still thats no solution for a .tar.gz
[10:56] <stdin> ForgeAus: you mean apps you need to compile?
[10:56] <stdin> sleepy543: search google images maybe?
[10:57] <ForgeAus> stdin, apparently
[10:57] <ForgeAus> well actually the one I just toyed with frostwire is java doesn't need recompiling lol ...
[10:57] <ForgeAus> but then I'm not using kubuntu to do it in either
[10:57] <ReFF> @ sleepy543: simple Nvidia Icon?
[10:57] <ForgeAus> (I'm sure I had sun java showing up in Adept there somewhere
[10:58] <stdin> ForgeAus: yeah, java (the sun java one) is in multiverse
[10:58] <ReFF> @ sleepy543: http://faaast-eddie.com/images/art/icon-nvidia.png
[10:58] <ReFF> this is a nice icon for nvidia
[10:58] <ReFF> ;-)
[10:58] <pedro> Hello ;)
[10:59] <pedro> I recently upgrade from Kubuntu dapper to edgy
[10:59] <ForgeAus> because its free but under a different liscence right? (and not supported by ubuntu technically...
[10:59] <ReFF> is that what you were looking for Sleepy?
[10:59] <ForgeAus> awesome pedro :) edgy is nice...
[10:59] <pedro> everything was good but now I have 37 packages that don't upgrade
[10:59] <ForgeAus> fiesty willb e nicer :)
[10:59] <pedro> I don't know why
[10:59] <pedro> any help?
[11:00] <pedro> yes, it is ForgeAus
[11:00] <stdin> ForgeAus: it was because sun changed the licence (this was before it went GPL) so it could be redistributed
[11:00] <pedro> I also installed nvidia driver to install too beryl
[11:00] <stdin> pedro: how did you upgrade
[11:01] <pedro> with apt-get
[11:01] <pedro> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:01] <pedro> I had to do it twice
[11:01] <pedro> But everything seems to be all right
[11:01] <ReFF> pedro, is that the way to upgrade to efty?
[11:01] <stdin> try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:01] <pedro> mmm
[11:01] <stdin> aptitude is a bit more advanced
[11:01] <pedro> I have some problems with aptitude
[11:02] <pedro> It is a problem that I have a time ago
[11:02] <pedro> when I try to do anything with aptitude, it try to delete a lot of packages that I usually use
[11:02] <pedro> I don't know why
[11:03] <stdin> do you have the package kubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:03] <pedro> wait a moment
[11:03] <pedro> no, it is not installed
[11:04] <stdin> you need to have it installed
[11:04] <dillinger> hi, can someone tell me how can i accept a disclaimer with adept . im pressing return but its not doing nothing ???
[11:04] <pedro> ok
[11:04] <pedro> I am going to try it
[11:04] <stdin> that was why aptitude was wanting to remove everything
[11:05] <stdin> dillinger: short answer, you can't, you have to do it from konsole
[11:05] <dillinger> stdin: ok, can you please tell me how to do it from the konsole, sorry for being lame but its my first time with linux
[11:06] <pedro> I have some problems of dependency
[11:06] <pedro> ...
[11:06] <stdin> dillinger: what package are you trying to install?
[11:06] <pedro> when I try to install kubuntu-desktop with aptitude
[11:06] <dillinger> do i have to run apt-get dist upgrade ??
[11:06] <dillinger> its an upgrade for vmware player
[11:06] <stdin> pedro: try with apt-get
[11:06] <mortici> if a file has attribs crw-rw-r what is the mode #'s?
[11:07] <pedro> it says it couldn't find the package kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <stdin> dillinger: open konsole (Kmenu -
[11:07] <pedro> ?
[11:07] <mortici> 665?
[11:07] <stdin> opps
[11:07] <dillinger> i get adept_updater tellin me to update it, but i have this disclaimer that i cannot accept
[11:07] <saree> stdin it worked
[11:07] <sleepy543> thanks for your help :)
[11:07] <dillinger> OK its already opened
[11:07] <stdin> dillinger: open konsole (Kmenu -> System -> kinsole)
[11:07] <stdin> ok
[11:07] <ReFF> do you like the icon sleepy?
[11:07] <stdin> dillinger: in konsole type: sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:08] <ReFF> stdin, is that the command to upgrade to the latest version of kubuntu?
[11:08] <dillinger> Ok its done
[11:08] <stdin> mortici: 664
[11:08] <dillinger> i can now accept it
[11:08] <dillinger> thanks a lot really stdin
[11:09] <stdin> ReFF: no, just updates all the packages to the latest version for in (for example) dapper
[11:09] <stdin> dillinger: you're welcome :)
[11:09] <dillinger> really thks a lot, i appreciate that
[11:09] <saree> how do i change my repositories from dapper to edgy so i have a edgy machine?
[11:09] <Jucato> !upgrade | saree
[11:09] <ubotu> saree: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:09] <saree> or i9s feisty worth trying?
[11:09] <BlackPhoenixx> easy
[11:09] <Jucato> saree: upgrading from Dapper to Edgy is not as easy as it seems....
[11:09] <Jucato> honestly
[11:10] <ReFF> when the new Kubuntu will be out, can we simply upgrade, or do we have to install it again
[11:10] <ReFF> ?
[11:10] <stdin> feisty is not stable, go with edgy
[11:10] <saree> its a test machine so im willing to try feisty
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> edit /etc/apt/sources/list replace all 'dapper' entries with edgy
[11:10] <Jucato> ReFF: 2007 April
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> then run sudo apt-get update
[11:10] <Jucato> saree: to get to feisty from Dapper, you need to upgrade to Edgy first
[11:10] <stdin> ReFF: you can update, look at the link above
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:10] <BlackPhoenixx> and you got edgy
[11:10] <ReFF> ok, thanx
[11:10] <stdin> ReFF: it will be a similar process to that
[11:10] <ReFF> :-)
[11:10] <Jucato> BlackPhoenixx: there are known issues with upgrading from Dapper to Edgy
[11:10] <ReFF> ok
[11:11] <BlackPhoenixx> really, never had any problem
[11:11] <ReFF> good to know, because i hate when al the tweaking would be lost if i chose to upgrade to feisty
[11:11] <Jucato> you haven't been reading the news then :)
[11:11] <ReFF> ?
[11:12] <stdin> I had a couple dependenvy problems with apt-get, but aptitude was great at upgrading dapper -> edgy
[11:12] <saree> jucato i will upgrade to edgy then i will ask for how to upgrade to feisty
[11:12] <Jucato> not you ReFF :)
[11:12] <Jucato> saree: upgrading from edgy to feisty is a bit easier, like how BlackPhoenixx described it
[11:13] <astan> hm. what does it mean that a package is "kept back" when i do an apt-get upgrade ? (my koffice package is kept back).
[11:13] <stdin> saree: just don't expect a rock solid system from feisty yet
[11:13] <ReFF> i won't upgrade until it's stable anyway :-)
[11:13] <BlackPhoenixx> astan: then you will have to do an sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <stdin> astan: try with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:14] <Jucato> in most cases, it's actually better to do dist-upgrade... the GUI package managers actually use dist-upgrade for the regular updates...
[11:14] <BlackPhoenixx> dist-upgrade (stands for distribution upgrade)
[11:14] <astan> BlackPhoenixx stdin: okay. thank you.. but what does it _mean_? ;)
[11:14] <astan> that it is kept back that is.. and why is it kept back?
[11:15] <astan> (i installed the koffice package from the deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-161 edgy main repository).
[11:15] <stdin> astan: there is info on that in 'man apt-get'
[11:15] <Jucato> astan: dist-upgrade worked?
[11:15] <pedro> I still am tryin to solve my problem with aptitude
[11:15] <astan> stdin: ah. alright. i'll check that.
[11:16] <pedro> It is a dependency problem with kubuntu-desktop
[11:16] <astan> Jucato: haven't tried yet. i'll read the manpage first.
[11:16] <BlackPhoenixx> kept back means or some other pachage depends on it and for safety it is being kept back, (kept-back, not being updated) if you do an dist-upgrade everything including system vital packages like for example glibc are being updated
[11:16] <pedro> it says that kubuntu-desktop depends from xorg but it cannot be installed
[11:16] <pedro> any help?
[11:16] <Jucato> pedro: did you follow that wiki about upgrading?
[11:16] <pedro> not exactly...
[11:17] <astan> BlackPhoenixx: okay. should i enter some lower runlevel before doing dist-upgrade? like.. not running KDE and everything while updating?
[11:17] <BlackPhoenixx> follow the wiki it will explain a lot
[11:17] <BlackPhoenixx> astan: is good that you think about it
[11:17] <Jucato> astan: kept back usually means that something cannot be upgraded because it depends on something that isn't installed. "upgrade" doesn't install new stuff, it only upgrades installed packages. "dist-upgrade" upgrades installed packages and installs new dependencies if needed
[11:17] <BlackPhoenixx> of course it will be better
[11:17] <stdin> i think that may be the name change from xserver-xorg-deiver* to xserver-xorg-video*
[11:17] <pedro> But I cannot follow the wiki now....
[11:18] <pedro> I did the upgrading yet
[11:18] <astan> okay guys. i think i get the picture now. thanks!
[11:19] <BlackPhoenixx> you're welcome
[11:19] <pedro> and what can I do about the change in the name?
[11:19] <astan> just one more thing, so should i at least not have X+KDE running while doing the dist-upgrade?
[11:19] <saree> what does this mean?
[11:19] <saree> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[11:20] <stdin> pedro: well aptitude should deal with it, but you can try installing xserver-xorg-video-all with apt-get: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all
[11:20] <BlackPhoenixx> astan: that is always a good idee, technicaly it cannot hurt but it is better to go to runlevel 3
[11:21] <BlackPhoenixx> BRB
[11:21] <pedro> let's try
[11:21] <astan> BlackPhoenixx: okay, back in a while then.
[11:21] <stdin> astan: with normal dist-upgrade it shouldn't matter, but if you age going from dapper to edgy, then it's best not to have X running
[11:21] <pedro> it says that package is its recently version
[11:22] <stdin> pedro: try installing xorg
[11:22] <stdin> sudo apt-get install xorg
[11:23] <pedro> ok
[11:23] <pedro> I think we are closing to the problem
[11:23] <ReFF> what is X?
[11:24] <pedro> xorg depends from libgl1-mesa-glx but it cannot be installed
[11:24] <pedro> I come back in a minute
[11:24] <stdin> dependency problems are hell, that's why I don't use a RPM system
[11:24] <stdin> ReFF: it's the server that lets you see graphics, KDE runs on top of X
[11:24] <ReFF> ow :-)
[11:25] <saree> if im going to upgrade from dapper to edgy is ok to do it from X? will it stop it working?
[11:26] <stdin> saree: I don't think it will stop working, but it's best not to have X running (but I've never tried upgrading distributions with X running)
[11:26] <ReFF> man, i wanna go home and play with edgy, but i got so much work here
[11:28] <exceswater> hi all
[11:28] <exceswater> :d
[11:29] <exceswater> can somebody help me to install mplayer on kubuntu please
[11:29] <saree> i guess im going to be the 1 to try coz i dont know how to use linux without x
[11:29] <Jucato> !mplayer | exceswater
[11:29] <ubotu> exceswater: mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[11:29] <ubotu> exceswater: For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[11:30] <exceswater> 10x people
[11:30] <exceswater> :d
[11:30] <exceswater> me is noob
[11:30] <exceswater>  :D
[11:30] <exceswater> that's why i bother people
[11:30] <stdin> saree: if you have used konsole before, it's the same, but in full screen :p
[11:30] <exceswater> :d
[11:30] <ubuntu_> hihi
[11:30] <ubuntu_> hahaa
[11:30] <ubuntu_> im on a livecd, isn't that awesome
[11:31] <saree> i have used konsole before but only copy and paste
[11:31] <exceswater> aaa
[11:31] <exceswater> yap
[11:31] <saree> can i be on irc and use my comp without x?
[11:32] <exceswater> about live cd
[11:32] <stdin> well the upgrade instructions are all commandline
[11:32] <ubuntu_> live cd pwns
[11:32] <ubuntu_> so does my nick
[11:32] <ubuntu_> :D
[11:32] <exceswater> i found somehow on internet ... about kinda live cd
[11:32] <stdin> saree: you can use irssi to use IRC on the commandline
[11:32] <exceswater> but it can be done with memory stick
[11:32] <exceswater> do u know about it ?
[11:32] <ubuntu_> whaaat?!
[11:32] <exceswater> yes
[11:32] <exceswater> you just download a 50 megs file
[11:32] <exceswater> burn it on a disk
[11:33] <exceswater> and after that install it on a memory stick
[11:33] <exceswater> usb memory stick
[11:33] <ReFF> cool
[11:33] <exceswater> and if u need your kubuntu... just find a computer
[11:33] <exceswater> plug your memory stick
[11:33] <exceswater> and turn on computer
[11:33] <exceswater> and so you have linux
[11:33] <stdin> if you can boot from it, you have have a 'live' system on it
[11:34] <exceswater> but i dunno how to do it
[11:34] <exceswater> D
[11:34] <exceswater> :D
[11:34] <ReFF> I think you mean knoppix
[11:34] <exceswater>  i even heard about LINUX on XBOX
[11:34] <exceswater> no problem
[11:34] <ReFF> don't know an other OS that does that
[11:34] <pedro> well
[11:34] <ReFF> yeah, on Xbox is possible
[11:34] <pedro> I am back again
[11:34] <ubuntu_> whats everybodys browser of choice
[11:34] <exceswater> even if LINUX on XBOX is kinda "blaphemy"
[11:34] <exceswater> :D
[11:34] <ubuntu_> i cannot stand Konqueror
[11:34] <ReFF> firefox
[11:34] <exceswater> even if LINUX on XBOX is kinda "blasphemy"
[11:35] <Jucato> guys, let's stay on topic, shall we?
[11:35] <pedro> I am seeing that my proble is a dependency problem with libgl1
[11:35] <stdin> my PC is a router
[11:35] <exceswater> lol pplz
[11:35] <ubuntu_> yeah well screw you
[11:36] <ubuntu_> lol
[11:36] <exceswater> i have linux on my Nokia 9500
[11:36] <exceswater> :D
[11:36] <ubuntu_> linux pwns
[11:36] <exceswater> this kinda owns u
[11:36] <ubuntu_> i wish i knew more abou tit
[11:36] <ubuntu_> about it*
[11:36] <exceswater> my penguin is better than your penguin
[11:36] <stdin> pedro: will aptitude fix it?
[11:36] <Jucato> pedro: can you install libgl1?
[11:36] <noiesmo> trying to boot kubuntu on amd am2 3800+ and it gets to adding live users and just stops
[11:36] <Sir_Penguin> Well, I am a penguin :p
[11:36] <Sir_Penguin> Hah!
[11:36] <flaccid> i have linux on my anus
[11:36] <pedro> when I try to do aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <flaccid> beat that
[11:37] <pedro> the result is..
[11:37] <Jucato> !offtopic
[11:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:37] <Sir_Penguin> I don't WANT to beat that.
[11:37] <Sir_Penguin> SOrry.
[11:37] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=955134080
[11:37] <exceswater> sorry
[11:37] <exceswater> :D
[11:37] <flaccid> its shit to update, but runs well otherwise
[11:37] <Jucato> ah python problems...
[11:37] <emanuele> ciao a tutti
[11:37] <Jucato> !upgrade
[11:37] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:37] <emanuele> quale il canale di aiuto italiano?
[11:38] <ubuntu_> some people have told me to go with dapper drake instead of edgy eft
[11:38] <ubuntu_> whyyyyyyyyyy
[11:38] <Jucato> !it | emanuele
[11:38] <ubotu> emanuele: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:38] <emanuele> thanks you :)
[11:38] <ReFF> #Kubuntu-it
[11:38] <Jucato> !upgrade | pedro
[11:38] <ubotu> pedro: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:38] <Jucato> pedro: have you tried the command that installs python stuff too?
[11:39] <flaccid> yeah edgy may not be stable for some
[11:39] <ubuntu_> oh snap
[11:39] <ubuntu_> an imposter!
[11:39] <ubuntu_> anyway: why wouldnt edgy be stable for some?
[11:39] <uberuntu> you are the imposter sir
[11:39] <uberuntu> ubuntu_: coz it probably wasn't tested enough
[11:40] <pedro> Jucato, no
[11:40] <ubuntu_> any problems with edgy?
[11:40] <Jucato> pedro: I suggest you try it :)
[11:40] <ubuntu_> strange, common bugs or anything?
[11:40] <pedro> when I try to do it it says it cannot because it depends from xorg
[11:40] <stdin> ubuntu_: fyi, you can change your nickname by typing /nick NewNickname
[11:40] <ubuntu_> yeah i know
[11:40] <Conhe> how to for print in linux on machines with win 98?
[11:40] <uberuntu> for me lots. for others not much. the more you get into it, the more bugs you find
[11:40] <ubuntu_> i know how to use IRC, i just really dont care
[11:40] <break_> k
[11:41] <uberuntu> but yes lots of users have expressed big issues
[11:41] <stdin> less confusing :p
[11:41] <stdin> edgy has been totally stable for me
[11:42] <flaccid> yes, for you
[11:42] <stdin> yes, for me :p
[11:42] <pedro> and when I try to do it with aptitude
[11:42] <pedro> the result is...
[11:42] <flaccid> you != every person who installs
[11:42] <stdin> that's why I added the 'for me' statement
[11:42] <break_> i didnt have any problems with Dapper, so I think i'll load edgy onto my 120gb after i fix my winblows install
[11:42] <flaccid> stdin: why even mention it
[11:43] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=2122237696
[11:43] <exceswater> !mplayer
[11:43] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[11:43] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[11:43] <ForgeAus> my problem with kubuntu edgy was my ISP's stupid login screen corrupting the download
[11:43] <pedro> I think I am goint to accept it
[11:43] <stdin> because, it was
[11:43] <ForgeAus> most of it worked
[11:43] <pedro> Must I?
[11:43] <break_> one thing i dont like about Linux is the graphics driver thing
[11:43] <break_> no 3d acceleration
[11:43] <break_> ?
[11:44] <flaccid> break_: what are you going on about??
[11:44] <ForgeAus> browser of choice... swiftfox!
[11:44] <break_> and you cant play many windows games on linux
[11:44] <flaccid> 1. drivers are available 2. wine/cedega
[11:44] <break_> im getting so tired of windows, i am constantly doing something with it to get it to run better
[11:44] <zeek> I play counter strike with a 1680x1050 res and it looks awesome
[11:44] <zeek> on linux
[11:44] <flaccid> you can't get windows to run better really
[11:44] <break_> i want to be able to play counterstrike:source on linux
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> so*
[11:45] <flaccid> zeek: can i pm you?
[11:45] <zeek> yea
[11:45] <stdin> pedro: for the packages that are held bask on dist-upgrade, try apt-get install ing them
[11:45] <stdin> *held back
[11:45] <break_> anyway, I'm a total noob with linux, and i'm about to get some help from google
[11:45] <pedro> sorry but my english is not very good
[11:45] <pedro> what is held back?
[11:45] <Jucato> pedro: what is it asking you this time?
[11:46] <Conhe> pedro:
[11:46] <pedro> I am still with the same thing
[11:46] <stdin> break_: look at the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> heres some news, over 56% of gamers are "girls" and most of them play "flash games"
[11:46] <Jucato> pedro: even after the command in the page I showed you?
[11:46] <Jucato> pedro: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[11:46] <zeek> break_: just install wine and download steam.exe. Install it using wine, it will install CS:S for you
[11:46] <zeek> easy
[11:46] <pedro> I cannot do it
[11:47] <break_> and it works fine??
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> trust me O used to have 3 girls on the office with me and they only played flash strategy/puzzle games
[11:47] <break_> cs:source is the only reason why i use windows
[11:47] <break_> honestly
[11:47] <pedro> It depends form xorg
[11:47] <zeek> flaccid: let me register real quick so you can message me
[11:47] <Jucato> pedro: how about, "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"?
[11:48] <break_> mount: can't find /dev/sda1  in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:48] <zeek> flaccid: just join #zeek
[11:48] <flaccid> np zeek
[11:48] <break_> Please check that teh device is plugged in correctly
[11:48] <pedro> it says to me to uninstall a lot of packages that I usually use
[11:49] <dbase13> i get disconnected once in a while
[11:49] <break_> Question: it is possible to view a file on an NTFS drive from a livecd, right?
[11:49] <break_> without going through too much trouble?
[11:49] <stdin> break_: yes
[11:50] <stdin> break_: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt -t ntfs (if hda1 is the ntfs partition)
[11:51] <pedro> well, I did it
[11:51] <pedro> I had to install libgl1-mesa
[11:51] <pedro> and now I can do the command you showed me
[11:51] <dbase13> i gotta go
[11:52] <dbase13> see you tonight
[11:52] <pedro> I am sorry for my clumsiness... ;)
[11:52] <dbase13> ciao
[11:52] <pedro> Let's see if it works now
[11:52] <dbase13> (it's ReFF, but my nick is taken :-()
[11:52] <dbase13> bye
[11:52] <dbase13> all
[11:52] <break_> could not enter folder /mnt
[11:52] <Linux_Galore> dbase13: should have registered it
[11:53] <dbase13> howN
[11:53] <dbase13> ?
[11:53] <break_> stdin, can i PM you??
[11:53] <stdin> break_: yes
[11:53] <sleepy543> how do I get Amarok to play mp4 songs?
[11:53] <Jucato> break_: you need to register your nick to be able to PM
[11:53] <stdin> !register | dbase13
[11:53] <ubotu> dbase13: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:54] <exceswater> hey people
[11:54] <exceswater> please help me
[11:54] <exceswater> i managed install mplayer
[11:54] <stdin> Jucato: I set unfiltered on earlier
[11:55] <ForgeAus> ahh I found out why .bin files don't work
[11:55] <exceswater> but it seems like i don;t have codecs for it
[11:55] <exceswater> how i install codecs
[11:55] <exceswater> please
[11:55] <ForgeAus> executable permissions :(
[11:55] <Jucato> ah
[11:55] <Linux_Galore> dbase13: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[11:55] <Jucato> stdin: might I respectfully suggest keeping support questions and answers in the main channel... :)
[11:56] <stdin> Jucato: he asked to /msg me, so can you let him know that? :p
[11:56] <sleepy543> Whats the best music player for kubuntu? I can't get Amarok to play mp4 songs
[11:56] <Jucato> stdin: sure. I thought you were already talking with him
[11:56] <Jucato> stdin:  no offense meant btw... just a little incident in #ubuntu that I don't want to happen in here
[11:57] <stdin> Jucato: no offence taken :)
[11:57] <Jucato> break_: might I respectfully suggest keeping support questions and answers in the main channel... both for the sake of others, and for your own safety :)
[11:57] <Jucato> if it's personal, though... take it anywhere but here :P
[11:57] <kouran> hello
[11:58] <kouran> anyone here able to get the proprietry nvidia drivers to work with edgy? seems like everyone is having problems..
[11:59] <pedro> I am working now with propietary drivers of nvidia in edgy
[11:59] <Jucato> I was able to get it running (when I was still using the stock Ubuntu kernel)
[11:59] <stdin> I don't have nvidia, but did you follow the info on the help page
[11:59] <exceswater> #ubuntu
[11:59] <exceswater> join #ubuntu
[11:59] <kouran> how did you get them to work? when i install them and edit my xorg.conf file to enable the drivers, when i reboot i get taken to a text prompt and x doesnt start
[11:59] <kouran> ive tried everything i could find in terms of help
[12:00] <pedro> I remember to have problem installing it from repository
[12:00] <Jucato> kouran: you don't need to edit xorg.conf manually if you installed nvidia-glx. just run the command "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[12:00] <pedro> then I installed the driver downloaded from the page
[12:00] <pedro> and everything is right
[12:00] <Jucato> kouran: this is presuming you installed nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modoules-generic (if you're on Edgy)
[12:00] <kouran> ive tried heaps of ways, but i get the same result. at the moment ive reverted back to the "nv" drivers..
[12:01] <kouran> ill note some of this stuff down.. linux-restricted-modules-generic... whats about if im using the 386 kernel?
[12:01] <kouran> just substitute?
[12:02] <Jucato> kouran: then linux-restricted-modules-386. but Edgy installs the -generic kernel by default
[12:02] <Jucato> kouran: or better yet, just "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)"
[12:03] <kouran> ah ok. so if ive got linux-restricted-module-generic and nvidia-glx it should all be good?
[12:03] <Jucato> yep
[12:03] <Jucato> then run the command "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[12:03] <kouran> hmm
[12:04] <Jucato> or "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" same thing
[12:04] <break_> quick question...to play a windows game in Wine, which graphics card driver would you get
[12:04] <stdin> isn't one for legacy and the other for modern cards, Jucato ?
[12:05] <sleepy543> anyone know how to get amaorok to ply mp4 songs, I get an error says can't be loaded.
[12:05] <Jucato> stdin: not really sure. I think the one for legacy is nvidia-glx-legacy-config...
[12:05] <break_> i thought one was generic, and didnt support 3d acceleration and the other did?
[12:05] <sleepy543> mp3s work fine though
[12:05] <kouran> ill be back soon, try what ive learned....
[12:05] <Tm_T> sleepy543: IIRC mp4 is only container, there can be almost anything inside.
[12:05] <break_> isn't .mp4 an apple thing?
[12:06] <break_> or is that m4a, i have no clue haha
[12:06] <sleepy543> yeah it's apple, most of the songs I got off itunes
[12:06] <Jucato> not sure which codec install mp4 support
[12:06] <sleepy543> anyway to convert them to mp3?
[12:08] <jpiccolo> where is a good place to get themes?
[12:08] <Jucato> kde-look.org
[12:09] <jpiccolo> ok other question, how can i get my cpu temp
[12:10] <exceswater> guys
[12:10] <exceswater> a simple question only please
[12:11] <jl> What is the recommended way to update kernel 2.6.17 to 2.6.19 in Kubuntu 6.10?
[12:11] <exceswater> i cannot copy to some folders... in usr because it says something about rights
[12:11] <exceswater> i think it's about root
[12:11] <exceswater> how can i copy files there
[12:11] <exceswater> ?
[12:11] <Tm_T> jl: Recompile by taking source package from feisty for example.
[12:11] <stdin> exceswater: use sudo
[12:11] <jpiccolo> use sudo before the cp command
[12:12] <Jucato> hm..
[12:12] <stdin> jl: warning, there is a bug in 2.6.19 where hda becomes sda
[12:12] <jl> @Tm: Is it possible to just install the feisty image or is this likely to break things?
[12:12] <Jucato> er.. kernel.org
[12:12] <ailean> Will I be able to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Kubuntu Feisty in April just using the standard installation disc with no problems?
[12:12] <kouran> im back.
[12:13] <Jucato> ailean: you can't use the Desktop/Live CD to upgrade
[12:13] <Jucato> kouran: how did it go?
[12:13] <exceswater> stdin
[12:13] <exceswater> i cannot
[12:13] <exceswater> please tell me how to do it
[12:14] <Jucato> sudo cp <file> <target directory>
[12:14] <Jucato> sudo cp foo /usr/somewhere
[12:14] <ailean> Jucato, okay, so if I use the Alternative disc then - I'm quite comfortable using either.  But my key point is that I want to go from Ubuntu to Kubuntu.  That shouldn't pose any problems: should it?
[12:14] <kouran> i installed linux-restricted-module-3, confirmed nvidia-glx was installed, did sudo nvidia-xconfig, rebooted and still x wont start
[12:14] <Jucato> but be *very* careful in modifying anything in root/system-owned folders... you're not allowed to do that normally for a reason...
[12:14] <exceswater> 10x jucato
[12:14] <exceswater> i hope i can copy a folder ... ?
[12:15] <Jucato> ailean: if you want to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Kubuntu Feisty, you'd need  the ALternate CD, and install kubuntu-desktop from there
[12:15] <Jucato> kouran: what kernel are you using?
[12:15] <fiandre> how can i see the bus in which my serial nic is connected?
[12:15] <stdin> ailean: you won't boot from the CD, just use it as a apt source
[12:16] <Jucato> kouran: unless you specifically installed the 386 kernel, you'd be using the -generic kernel
[12:16] <kouran> 386. one sec, ill verify everything is installed...
[12:16] <Jucato> ailean: yeah, what stdin said :)
[12:16] <Jucato> kouran: you're absolutely sure it's 386?
[12:16] <kouran> i know im using 386 because i used uname -r
[12:16] <Jucato> ah.. hm...
[12:16] <ailean> Jucato, well I could install kubuntu-desktop on this system, but I tried that before under dapper and it didn't behave in the same way as the standard Kubuntu install.  I.e. it would load up as if it was Ubuntu, then load KDE once I logged on.  KDE was only available as a session rather than as the full install.
[12:16] <BlackPhoenixx> does anybody know a site where to buy linux games, and i mean ofcourse the big games for example Soldier of Fortune (Linux Edition)
[12:17] <jl> tuxgames.org
[12:17] <kouran> ok, adept manager said linux-restricted-module-386 wasnt installed
[12:17] <Jucato> ailean: that's because by installing kubuntu-desktop over Ubuntu, you actually have 2 installed, KDE and GNOME
[12:17] <jl> sorry, http://tuxgames.com/ of course
[12:17] <stdin> ailean: that's still a full kubuntu install, you're just using GDM not KDM (which you can change)
[12:17] <BlackPhoenixx> thanx
[12:17] <Jucato> logging into the KDE session takes you into a full Kubuntu installation
[12:18] <ailean> !KDM
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KDM - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <stdin> !kdm
[12:18] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[12:18] <kouran> ill try enabling nvidia again. is "nvidia-xconfig" right?
[12:18] <Jucato> kouran: don't forget sudo :)
[12:18] <kouran> ah yes.
[12:18] <ailean> stdin, what difference does it make to use kdm over gdm?
[12:18] <stdin> ailean: none really, just how it looks
[12:19] <kouran> now i shall reboot. hope it works
[12:19] <Jucato> ailean: if you're using gdm and log into a KDE session, you won't have the option to shutdown or restart directly, only to logout
[12:19] <ailean> stdin, if i intend to use KDE, surely kdm would be better then?
[12:19] <Jucato> yes, for the reasons I said earlier
[12:19] <stdin> ailean: if you want to use KDM instead, change /usr/bin/gdm to /usr/bin/kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[12:19] <ailean> Jucato, okay, that is the problem I was talking about before then.  So I'll install kubuntu-desktop and then switch to kdm.  Can you easily help me with that?
[12:20] <ailean> . . . yes then :)
[12:20] <BlackPhoenixx> jl: do you know also other sites
[12:20] <BlackPhoenixx> ?
[12:20] <Jucato> ailean: during the installation kubuntu-desktop, when kdm will be installed, you'll be asked if you want to use GDM or KDM as your display manager, choose KDM
[12:20] <BlackPhoenixx> the offers of tusgamers.com if quite slim
[12:20] <ailean> Jucato, cool - that didn't happen before did it?
[12:21] <Jucato> it always does...iirc
[12:21] <ailean> Jucato, stdin, thanks very much.
[12:21] <stdin> you're welcome ailean :)
[12:21] <Jucato> proper UI? BASH!!!
[12:22] <ailean> *cough* GEEK!
[12:22] <ailean> ;)
[12:22] <jl> @BlackPhoenixx: The problem is that many commercial games do not work out of the box on linux.
[12:22] <Jucato> lol I don't use it that much honestly :)
[12:22] <ailean> well i'm a desktop user
[12:22] <BlackPhoenixx> @jl
[12:22] <stdin> BASH RULES!!
[12:22] <Jucato> so am I
[12:22] <stdin> :p
[12:22] <ailean> one of the few who you need to hang onto :)
[12:22] <BlackPhoenixx> @jl: i know i also run cedega
[12:22] <stdin> KDE is a GUI, not just a UI
[12:22] <kouran> jucato, it didnt work :|
[12:22] <ailean> stdin, yeah, i know :)
[12:23] <Jucato> kouran: hm... where does it stop?
[12:23] <ailean> stdin, but it is a UI right? ;)
[12:23] <pedro> well guys
[12:23] <kouran> the kubuntu logo appears with the loading bar, a few flashes of the screen later and i see a text login prompt
[12:23] <pedro> I got to install the packages
[12:24] <pedro> and now I did the command that the wiki show mi
[12:24] <stdin> ailean: it's a type of UI, yes, but bash is still the best UI i use :)
[12:24] <jtmoney> are there no mythtv packages?
[12:24] <pedro> apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[12:24] <Jucato> kouran: hm... when you get to that text login prompt, login, then type "startx"... try if that starts it or see what error messages you get
[12:24] <pedro> but my console doesn't show anything
[12:24] <ailean> Okay stdin i'll let you get back to your geeking :P
[12:24] <pedro> I don't know if it is working
[12:24] <stdin> ailean: I never stop geeking :D
[12:24] <ailean> heh
[12:25] <kouran> yeah ive tried that before. i just get taken back to a command prompt
[12:25] <ailean> stdin, I'm a geek too.  I'm just not very good at it.
[12:25] <kouran> with errors and stuff, i cant remember what they were though
[12:25] <stdin> ailean: learn by doing, it's more fun that way
[12:25] <ailean> stdin, i plan to.  I want to get certified actually.
[12:25] <vge> Hi, how do i use grep to search for a string from a folder full of files to search from?
[12:25] <pedro> Do I have to wait o reboot?
[12:25] <ailean> stdin, but for now, i'm off. prob talk to you later
[12:26] <stdin> vge: grep "srting" /path/to/folder/*
[12:26] <stdin> ailean: ok, see you later :)
[12:26] <jtmoney> should i enable any of the "backport" repositories? i'm not sure what they're used for... i'm simply trying to grab the mythtv package
[12:26] <stdin> vge: or grep -H "srting" /path/to/folder/* (to get the file name with the match)
[12:27] <pedro> any idea about my issue?
[12:27] <Jucato> jtmoney: no. you don't need the backports for that. you need multiverse
[12:27] <Jucato> !multiverse | jtmoney
[12:27] <ubotu> jtmoney: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:28] <Jucato> ugh.. afk...
[12:28] <kouran> jucato, any ideas?
[12:28] <Jucato> kouran: not really, I don't have the error messages...
[12:28] <Jucato> bbl...
[12:36] <jl> I have a major problem in my new Kubuntu 6.10 installation: In many images and movies, dark colors lock very ugly. Unfortunately, I have no idea what causes the problem.
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> this would seem like a stupid question, but is ogg support enabled by default?
[12:37] <jl> lock => look
[12:37] <stdin> devilsadvocate: yeah, should be
[12:37] <jakkass> ogg is an open source codec
[12:37] <stdin> jl: maybe adjust your gama settings
[12:37] <jakkass> so yeah
[12:37] <luh> hi
[12:37] <jakkass> hey
[12:38] <devilsadvocate> stdin, amarok is skipping all the ogg files in my new kubuntu install :(
[12:38] <luh> my firefox is experiencing plenty of problems since the newest update
[12:38] <jakkass> eh wierd
[12:38] <luh> will this be fixed soon?
[12:38] <luh> it's 1.5.0.9 now
[12:38] <jakkass> have you got the Xine decoded set on
[12:38] <jakkass> decoder*
[12:38] <jakkass> luh why aren't you using 2.0
[12:38] <jl> i don't think it is caused by gamma settings, there are really ugly artefacts
[12:38] <jakkass> :o
[12:39] <luh> jackass - adept installs by default 1.5
[12:39] <stdin> jakkass: or 2.0.0.1 :p
[12:39] <jakkass> :p
[12:39] <jakkass> no it doesn't luh
[12:39] <jakkass> i got 2.0 off it
[12:39] <stdin> luh: firefox 2.0 is in the backports repository
[12:39] <jakkass> ah
[12:39] <jakkass> i added all of them
[12:39] <jakkass> so thats why
[12:39] <jakkass> :)
[12:39] <luh> see jakkass
[12:39] <deucalion> hey!
[12:39] <jakkass> btw folks how do you change the font on Firefox
[12:39] <jl> what could be the reason for the graphics problem?
[12:39] <jakkass> its fuckin ugly
[12:40] <luh> i usually don't work with backport repos
[12:40] <mihail> for codecs try automix2 and for movieplayer VLC
[12:40] <jakkass> mihall Xine :)
[12:40] <devilsadvocate> jakkass, get msttcorefonts
[12:40] <jakkass> i have it devils
[12:40] <stdin> no, don't use automatix
[12:40] <jakkass> Firefox still looks mingin
[12:40] <jakkass> lol
[12:40] <deucalion> has anyone tried a beta version of feisty?
[12:40] <stdin> deucalion: i'm on feisty
[12:40] <jakkass> how do i style it like my other Qt apps Gaim looks good as my fonts work with it on GTK
[12:40] <mihail> stdin: why automatx isn`t god?
[12:41] <devilsadvocate> there isnt a fiesty beta yet
[12:41] <deucalion> is it better than eft?
[12:41] <jakkass> devils isn't it not Flight 1 out now
[12:41] <deucalion> edgy*
[12:41] <devilsadvocate> jakkass, i remember seeing a thread in the forum with a fix
[12:41] <luh> jakkass, stdin but shouldn't the default be stable?
[12:41] <stdin> mihail: it can cause major issues when you try to upgrade
[12:41] <jakkass> what forum
[12:41] <jakkass> kubuntu or ubuntuforums
[12:41] <luh> one can't assume that everyone is using backports
[12:41] <deucalion> has anyone been having problems with the new beryl update?
[12:42] <deucalion> my caps, skydome, and splash screen dont work
[12:42] <stdin> deucalion: feisty is quite stable (for me), but it's not classed as stable yet
[12:42] <deucalion> ok, cool, thanks stdin
[12:43] <stdin> and my beryl install is working great :)
[12:43] <devilsadvocate> ubuntuforums
[12:43] <jl> does anyone have a clue what can cause artefacts in images and movies?
[12:43] <deucalion> i have tried everything to get it working again, it stoped working after the new update, the one with the winter themed caps
[12:43] <jakkass> devils its not the font on webpages
[12:43] <jakkass> its the GUI font
[12:44] <jakkass> GUI font looks fuckin horrible
[12:44] <deucalion> can someone tell me if konqueror runs on firefox, or is it its own client?
[12:44] <jakkass> its Mozilla based
[12:45] <deucalion> ok, well i cant get onto my email with konqueror, but i can with mozilla, its webmail.aol.com so its flashed based
[12:45] <devilsadvocate> jakkass, you can chage that somewhere in about:config
[12:45] <jakkass> hmm somewhere :o
[12:46] <devilsadvocate> :)
[12:46] <devilsadvocate> filter with font
[12:46] <jakkass> http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=28956
[12:46] <jakkass> ah sweet
[12:46] <devilsadvocate> im sure you can find it
[12:46] <jakkass> :P
[12:46] <jakkass> ah no
[12:46] <jakkass> damn Suse retards
[12:46] <jakkass> lol
[12:47] <deucalion> yeah, my SUSE dvd doesnt work
[12:47] <deucalion> im pissed
[12:47] <jakkass> Suse is balls compared to Kubuntu
[12:47] <jakkass> imo
[12:47] <deucalion> i love kubuntu
[12:47] <deucalion> my friend thinks openSUSE is the shit, the 10.6 or whatever it is now
[12:47] <reff> i think we all do my friend
[12:47] <reff> yeah, that openSUSE looks good too
[12:48] <hanso> hey. are there any html editor with code completition for linux?
[12:48] <deucalion> is openSUSE worth overwriting kubuntu on my laptop?
[12:48] <deucalion> or should i wait for the live DVD?
[12:48] <jakkass> hanso Nvu?
[12:48] <reff> i don't think it offers more functionality than kubuntu
[12:48] <deucalion> ok cool
[12:48] <jakkass> wireless support is great on Kubuntu
[12:48] <reff> :-)
[12:48] <jakkass> thats why I use it
[12:48] <jakkass> :p
[12:48] <deucalion> does anyone here use gXINE?
[12:49] <hanso> jakkass: I tried that but it don't have code completition
[12:49] <jakkass> is g Xine graphical Xine
[12:49] <jakkass> if so yes
[12:49] <ubuntu_> nvu doesn't have text completion
[12:49] <reff> i'm gonna check that out tonight when i get back from work, i got an old Wifi pcmcia card
[12:49] <deucalion> no, the video player
[12:49] <reff> that might just do the trick
[12:49] <jakkass> i use Xine
[12:49] <jakkass> as a video player
[12:49] <jakkass> its good
[12:49] <jakkass> got DVD's working and all
[12:49] <deucalion> i cant get on any of the media things to work
[12:49] <deucalion> like BBC and Boston channel 22, or the music stations
[12:49] <jakkass> ah fewk
[12:50] <jakkass> I like KMail a lot too
[12:50] <jakkass> :)
[12:51] <deucalion> Kontact?
[12:51] <deucalion> Kmail=Kontact right?
[12:51] <jakkass> no KMail
[12:51] <jakkass> no
[12:51] <jakkass> KMail is a email client
[12:51] <deucalion> where the hell is kmail on kubuntu? i cant find it
[12:51] <hanso> kmail is within kontact
[12:51] <jakkass> its not on the list
[12:51] <jakkass> type kmail into the commandline
[12:52] <hanso> the email section of kontact uses kmail
[12:52] <jakkass> oh
[12:52] <deucalion> kommand right? terminal program?
[12:52] <jakkass> rofl i've never used Kontact
[12:52] <jakkass> konsole
[12:52] <deucalion> konsole, right, dee dee dee
[12:52] <stdin> konsole also rules :P
[12:52] <deucalion> oh, got it!
[12:52] <jakkass> i like the konsole in this IRC client
[12:52] <jakkass> Konversation rocks :p
[12:53] <deucalion> better than Xchat
[12:53] <hanso> kontact is quite good. it got a lot of options
[12:53] <deucalion> yeah, i like the RSS feed fetcher, Akregator
[12:53] <jakkass> wow i should use Kontact more
[12:53] <jakkass> its pretty good
[12:54] <jakkass> eh Cannot load part for news Library files for libknodepart.la not found in paths?
[12:55] <pedro> Hi again
[12:55] <pedro> I must say thanks because I have solved my firsts problems with aptitude
[12:55] <deucalion> hey does anyone know what the other command is for the sudo apt-get update? there is another one its like sudo a______ update
[12:55] <deucalion> i cant remember
[12:55] <pedro> everythins is all right now
[12:56] <pedro> sudo aptitude update deucalion
[12:56] <deucalion> nvm its sudo aptitude
[12:56] <deucalion> thanks pedro
[12:56] <pedro> you are welcome
[12:56] <pedro> now I want to install beta drivers of nvidia to install beryl
[12:57] <deucalion> need to be updatin my repositorys
[12:57] <pedro> the point is that I have installed driver from the script of the official page
[12:57] <pedro> and I would like to install now with repository
[12:57] <deucalion> does anyone know if ubuntu can support ATi crossfire?
[12:57] <pedro> how can I uninstall driver nvidia from the script?
[12:58] <deucalion> does crossfire even work with linux? like any form (ubuntu, kubuntu, SUSE, etc.?)
[12:58] <jakkass> I use a NVidia chip so I don't know
[12:59] <deucalion> do you use SLi?
[12:59] <deucalion> and does it work?
[12:59] <stdin> pedro: you should just be able to overwrite the old nvidia driver by installing the new one
[12:59] <galorin> I'm thinking about installing kubuntu on my laptop, a fairly new thing with a Turion64 in it.  got a few questions.. I've heard others say that (k)ubuntu is slower than other distros on the same hardware.. anyone ere experience this(I don'tt mind sacrificing speed for ease of use)?  Also, should I install the 64 bit version on it, or are the benefits not orth the hassle?
[12:59] <pedro> ok, I was not sure but then I will do it
[12:59] <deucalion> i think ubuntu is fast as hell
[01:00] <jakkass> yeah
[01:00] <deucalion> i mean, compared to windows ( linux underground....where we're going, you dont need windows)
[01:00] <jakkass> on my AMD rig its just fine
[01:00] <jakkass> i didn't install 64bit though
[01:00] <jakkass> as I love Flash
[01:00] <jakkass> lol
[01:00] <deucalion> hey, can i run the 64bit version on a X2 duo core AMD chip?
[01:01] <jakkass> yes but you don't want to
[01:01] <deucalion> the 64 bit version of ubuntu that is
[01:01] <deucalion> y not?
[01:01] <jakkass> its heavily restricted for some applications
[01:01] <stdin> galorin: I've found kubuntu to be just as fast (if not faster) than others, and the only advantage of 64bit is if you have 4GB+ RAM and/or need very accurate math
[01:01] <galorin> I did Slackware on another system, and it ran a lot faster than it had done with Mandrake or Red Hat (yeah, long time ago)
[01:01] <galorin> stdin, nope, neither case is true
[01:01] <deucalion> ok, so stick with the 32 bit?
[01:02] <stdin> 32bit is fine (or even better) then 64bit for most users
[01:02] <deucalion> i have a 4.4 ghz duo core proccesor (each thread 2.2 Ghz) and 2 gigs of GSkil ram, so its not a matter of computing power
[01:02] <jakkass> I use AMD 3700+ i need to upgrade maybe
[01:03] <deucalion> yeah, just maybe
[01:03] <galorin> on my mythtv box I went with the 64 bit version because of all the number-crunching there, and it made a difference there.  I guess on a laptop for general use it doesn't matter.
[01:03] <deucalion> i got a duo core chip for like $105.00
[01:03] <jakkass> damn yanks
[01:03] <jakkass> lol
[01:03] <deucalion> hey im a yank! lawl
[01:03] <jakkass> i'll never get one for that price
[01:03] <jakkass> :P
[01:03] <deucalion> try new egg
[01:03] <jakkass> damn euro
[01:03] <jakkass> lol
[01:03] <deucalion> oh, didnt know you were from the EU
[01:04] <jakkass> its a good currency and everything
[01:04] <jakkass> but all is so expensive in Ireland
[01:04] <deucalion> my moms BF tryed to pay for our dinner at ruby tuesdays with 30GBP, the waiter looked at us like we were stupid
[01:04] <deucalion> jakkass, ur from ireland?
[01:04] <jakkass> Irelands more expensive than Britain
[01:04] <jakkass> by a longshot
[01:04] <jakkass> yes I live in West Dublin
[01:05] <deucalion> cool, you might recognise my last name, Meagher
[01:05] <deucalion> im irish, irish-american (i hate america sometimes, fuckin George Dub-ya Bush)
[01:05] <jakkass> hmm what generation m8
[01:05] <deucalion> i have no idea, and what is m8?
[01:05] <jakkass> a lot of yanks come and say oh my great great great great grandfather was irish etc
[01:06] <jakkass> :P
[01:06] <stdin> deucalion: m8 = mate :p
[01:06] <deucalion> oh, well im 3rd gen irish, my great grandfater lived in ireland, then moved to NYC
[01:07] <jakkass> ah 3rd gen's alright
[01:07] <jakkass> :)
[01:07] <deucalion> im related to thomas francis meagher, idk how, but im told i am
[01:07] <jakkass> George Dub-ya is a pain in the ass for the whole world tbh
[01:08] <DBO> jakkass, quite true and quite off topic for in here, keep political banter to the dedicated offtopic rooms =)
[01:08] <jakkass> :p
[01:08] <jakkass> sorry i was commenting on him saying [12:05:51]  <deucalion> im irish, irish-american (i hate america sometimes, fuckin George Dub-ya Bush)
[01:08] <deucalion> hey, i was too young to vote, so dont point the finger at me, then again, hes better than kerry, but who knows what 2008 holds for us....Schwartzenegger '08? (oh god, no this dream again)
[01:09] <DBO> ah yes, you too deucalion, also less on the swearing please =)
[01:09] <deucalion> ok, no problem
[01:09] <galorin> so is there a recent howto concerning the ralink R61 driver on kubuntu?
[01:10] <deucalion> im bout to go make breakfast, mmmmm....bagels. then go cruise the neighborhood on the pocketbike, so ill chat with ya later
[01:10] <deucalion> peace
[01:10] <stdin> galorin: wifi?
[01:10] <galorin> stdin, yep
[01:10] <stdin> !wifi
[01:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:11] <stdin> there ya go
[01:11] <jakkass> I use wifi Ralink 2500 chipset ftw
[01:11] <jakkass> :)
[01:11] <galorin> ta, I'll look through that.
[01:12] <jakkass> i'd prefer a wired connection stdin
[01:12] <jakkass> you can get a good bit of lag on wireless sometimes
[01:12] <jakkass> my house isn't cabled for it though
[01:13] <stdin> I only have a small network at home, so wired is fine for me (and I don't have a laptop :( )
[01:13] <stdin> jakkass: that's what a drill is for :p
[01:13] <jakkass> stdin i'm not a DIY junkie
[01:13] <jakkass> :P
[01:14] <jakkass> and i cba getting ripped off  to pay for one
[01:14] <stdin> you can get ethernet over power lines too
[01:14] <jakkass> stdin don't they lag so bad though
[01:14] <jakkass> i had one before at 10Mbit
[01:14] <jakkass> good god
[01:14] <jakkass> lol
[01:15] <stdin> it would, it's got a lot of interference to deal with
[01:15] <stdin> I just took a drill to my walls and all is well now :p
[01:15] <jakkass> do many of you use VOIP?
[01:15] <jakkass> I think it rocks
[01:16] <stdin> I use gizmo project
[01:17] <hanso> one problem: when I start up my kubuntu all the filesystems are beeing checked first and this takes a long time. do this have to be done?
[01:17] <jakkass> gizmo?
[01:17] <stdin> hanso: it should only happen once every 30 mounts (reboots) or days
[01:17] <jakkass> yeah
[01:18] <stdin> jakkass: http://www.gizmoproject.com/
[01:18] <jakkass> oh stdin I use a hardware ATA
[01:18] <jakkass> to link the phones to the internet
[01:19] <jakkass> the analog phones :p
[01:19] <hanso> stdin: it happens every time i start or reboot
[01:19] <jakkass> everytime? it must be failing due to corruption on the disk?
[01:19] <kubuntian> hello, somebody has any clue why lately the performance profile can't be changed anymore using Klaptopdaemon? the droplist and options are there but clicking on anything doesn't change it...
[01:24] <hanso> stdin: can there be a setup problem in linux=
[01:24] <hanso> ?
[01:25] <stdin> it's more likely to be a problem with the disk, how old is it?
[01:25] <hanso> stdin: 1/2 year
[01:25] <stdin> hmm
[01:26] <jpiccolo> arg anyone want to help me with conky
[01:26] <stamen> hi
[01:27] <stamen> how to adjust subtitles in mplayer
[01:27] <stamen> when the movie is running
[01:27] <stamen> did it have shortcuts
[01:27] <stamen> like bsplayer for windows
[01:28] <stdin> hanso: you could try running 'fsck.ext3 -f -c' on the partitions from the live cd to check for bad blocks, it will take a while tho
[01:32] <jpiccolo> anyone using conky?
[01:33] <kubuntian> hello, somebody has any clue why lately the performance profile can't be changed anymore using Klaptopdaemon? the droplist and options are there but clicking on anything doesn't change it...
[01:37] <uphill> hi
[01:37] <uphill> i want to shrink a ext3 partition; and i already shrinked the filesystem, but how do i shrink the partition?
[01:39] <stdin> uphill: huh, what do you mean you shrunk the filesystem, but not the partition?
[01:39] <BlackPhoenixx> install gparted, you can use it to change the size of a partition
[01:40] <jakkass> or kparted isn't it?
[01:40] <stdin> qtparted
[01:40] <jakkass> there we go
[01:41] <stdin> but it's not as good as gparted
[01:41] <BlackPhoenixx> U can run gparted under kde without any problem
[01:42] <stdin> you just have to install the gtk libraries
[01:43] <jakkass> rofl I cant resize the QTParted window
[01:43] <jakkass> xd
[01:43] <vincent> hi
[01:44] <stdin> it's a bit buggy sometimes, which you don't want when you're messing with partitions :p
[01:44] <uphill> stdin: i shrinked the partition with esize2fs -p /dev/hdb1  350G
[01:44] <jakkass> yeah i got both now stdin
[01:44] <jakkass> :)
[01:44] <uphill> but it dont changed the aprtition table
[01:46] <stdin> uphill: hmm, well as BlackPhoenixx said, install qparted and use that to resize the partition
[01:50] <ReFF> !register
[01:50] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:51] <stdin> ReFF: just type /msg NickServ register <password>
[01:51] <stdin> ReFF: replace <password> with a password tho :p
[01:51] <Jucato> isn't an e-mail also required?
[01:51] <ReFF13> yes, that was what i was doing ;-)
[01:51] <stdin> Jucato: it's not required
[01:52] <Jucato> ah, only on freenode it seems :)
[01:52] <ReFF13> yep
[01:52] <stdin> you need an email set for some things, like if you want a host mask, for example
[01:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol @ cooltux exit msg =) cute hehe
[01:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do people set exiting msgs
[01:59] <uphill> thats strange, qtparted is too suped to resize and with gparted no problem
[02:00] <stdin> yeah, qtperted is buggy
[02:00] <jakkass> the firefox channel is dead :o
[02:03] <stdin> jakkass: try the official one #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
[02:03] <stdin> tho that's probably dead too
[02:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> does looking glass work with beryl
[02:04] <stdin> what's looking glass?
[02:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> it lets window be stacked sideways
[02:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> a little like vista
[02:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> but really different
[02:04] <stdin> ahh, I don't know if that works on beryl, but I want it
[02:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> !looking glass
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about looking glass - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do people set exiting msgs
[02:06] <jakkass> using the IRC protocol lol
[02:06] <jakkass> :P
[02:06] <jakkass> QUIT: message here\r\n from the client :P
[02:06] <jakkass> coded a phpbot that quit took ages to work :o
[02:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> was i supposed to understand what u just said =) hehe
[02:07] <jakkass> yep :P
[02:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> what do i type to get the msg
[02:07] <jakkass> what client are you using Chicken
[02:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> o
[02:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> i use konversation
[02:08] <jakkass> hmm
[02:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> what do u use
[02:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> k thx =)
[02:08] <jakkass> Konversation
[02:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> i could jsut convert to what u use
[02:08] <jakkass> it rocks
[02:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> o hehe
[02:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> k =)
[02:08] <jakkass> lol
[02:08] <stdin> don't think konversation lets you do it
[02:09] <jakkass> yeah It doesnt
[02:09] <jakkass> :(
[02:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> darn it
[02:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> o well
[02:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> i g2g sleep
[02:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> 5am here
[02:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> yum sleep
[02:09] <Balsamic_Chicken> bye =)
[02:09] <stdin> it lets you set a default /part message, but not a quit message
[02:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> think i prematurely kicked myself off with /part command
[02:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> did it work?
[02:10] <stdin> [13:09]  <-- Balsamic_Chicken has left this channel ("bye").
[02:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there a list of commands somewhere?
[02:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> yay thx =)
[02:10] <Lynoure> Balsamic_Chicken: try /help
[02:10] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: try www.irc.org
[02:10] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: type /list
[02:10] <stdin> hun?
[02:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool thx everyone =)
[02:10] <stdin>  /list
[02:10] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: don't use /list!
[02:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> that's for channels right
[02:10] <Jucato> unless you really mean to
[02:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> yeah i was looking for commands
[02:11] <stdin> it opens a new tab in konversation
[02:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> ic
[02:11] <stdin> but you might get disconnected from the server, so be warned :p
[02:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> =)
[02:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> anways, i g2g sleep lol, see you all later =)
[02:12] <stdin> later Balsamic_Chicken
[02:12] <dreamer> wtf, I'm banned from #debian :o
[02:12] <dreamer> anybody here in #debian that can ask for my unbanning? :(
[02:12] <jakkass> i'll go into debian
[02:13] <ravermeister_> hello i have a question, where do i find the .desktop file of storage media, which appears when you type system:/  in your konqueror?
[02:13] <jakkass> :P
[02:13] <dreamer> thnx jakkass
[02:14] <jakkass> [13:13:55]  <jakkass> afternoon all some guy named dreamer is bitchin in kubuntu about being banned from here
[02:14] <jakkass> [13:13:58]  <jakkass> just to let you know
[02:14] <jakkass> :)
[02:14] <stdin> ravermeister_: what .desktop file?
[02:14] <jakkass> [13:14:16]  <CharminTheMoose> jakkass, what a tool
[02:15] <ravermeister_> when you type system:/ in your konqueror, then some .desktop files (like links) appear
[02:15] <ravermeister_> one is called storage media
[02:15] <ravermeister_> normally he points to media:/
[02:15] <dizzz> hello, i'm having a serious problem with upgrading ubuntu from edgy to feisty
[02:15] <ravermeister_> but mine shows /media
[02:15] <ravermeister_> i want to change that,
[02:15] <dreamer> jakkass: hehe, am I unbanned now? :P
[02:15] <ravermeister_> so i need to know the location of the file
[02:15] <Jucato> ravermeister_: that's something new implemented in Kubuntu
[02:16] <Jucato> afaik, it's not controlled by .desktop files
[02:16] <dreamer> [freenode]  -!- Cannot join to channel #debian (You are banned) << :(
[02:16] <ravermeister_> thats something about kde, and it exists for a while
[02:16] <ravermeister_> ;)
[02:16] <dizzz> apt-get dist-upgrade tells me that the following packages have unmet dependencies: bluez-utils cupsys cups
[02:16] <stdin> no idea ravermeister_
[02:16] <dreamer> jakkass: I have _no_ idea why I got banned, maybe for my shitty connection last week
[02:16] <gnomefreak> dizzz: did you expect it to work?
[02:16] <ravermeister_> i had the location, but i forgot it somewhere in /usr/share
[02:16] <Jucato> ravermeister_: because in some ways, the media:/ kioslave is a bit "broken"
[02:17] <dizzz> gnomefreak: lol ... yes
[02:17] <gnomefreak> dizzz: dont forget to install kubuntu-desktop package before trying to upgrade
[02:17] <dizzz> making an apt-get -f install doesn't help
[02:17] <gnomefreak> notice i said before you try to upgrade. (its needed to fix depends)
[02:18] <Jucato> ravermeister_: might want to read this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[02:18] <dizzz> the problem is that i'm now in some kind of cyclic problem: apt-get install anything asks me to make apt-get -f install but apt-get -f install doesn't work
[02:18] <ravermeister_> but in /media there is only my cdrom
[02:18] <ravermeister_> thx
[02:18] <gnomefreak> dizzz: apt-get -f install is just a suggestion its not always helpful
[02:18] <dizzz> ok
[02:18] <Jucato> oh there's something wrong there, then...
[02:19] <gnomefreak> dizzz: look in /var/log/ do you see a folder named dist-upgrade?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> dizzz: if its there it should have 3 files in it.
[02:19] <dizzz> gnomefreak: no folder dist-upgrade
[02:20] <gnomefreak> didnt think ther ewould be. ok what is output of "sudo apt-get -f install"  without the ""
[02:20] <gnomefreak> paste it to pastebin please
[02:21] <dizzz> ok 2sec
[02:21] <dizzz> thanks a lot for the help btw!!
[02:21] <jakkass> got my firefox problem sorted
[02:21] <jakkass> looks sweet now
[02:21] <jakkass> :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> yw but its not fixed yet
[02:21] <dreamer> damn you #debian !!
[02:22] <dizzz> :-)
[02:22] <jakkass> dreamer they really don't like you
[02:22] <jakkass> what did you do
[02:22] <dbase13> lol
[02:22] <dreamer> nothing
[02:22] <dbase13> if he got banned, there will probably be a reason for it
[02:22] <dbase13> else they had just kicked him
[02:22] <dreamer> just asked something and left my connection open :$ (with a shitty connection that dropped out every 2 minutes :$)
[02:22] <bowens> Is anybody familiar with KNetworkManager?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> dreamer: spamming will do it ;)
[02:23] <jakkass> yes bowens
[02:23] <dreamer> damnit, I run debian on my server and I really need some help :@
[02:23] <jakkass> its a piece of shat
[02:23] <jakkass> lol
[02:23] <jakkass> took me ages to get working
[02:23] <jakkass> all i can say is don't use DHCP
[02:23] <dreamer> gnomefreak: I wasn't spamming, just my connection :P
[02:23] <jakkass> get it to set a static local IP for you
[02:23] <dbase13> he was just connecting & disconneting all the time?
[02:23] <dreamer> dbase13: yeah the network was F-ed up
[02:23] <bowens> jakkass: i'm able to get other methods of accessing my eth1 to work but in KNM i get the "No devices found" error
[02:24] <dreamer> fixed primo now
[02:24] <bowens> jakkass: i can connect through iwconfig or kwifimanager
[02:24] <bowens> so the device is there
[02:24] <dreamer> I just want to ask something about upgrading phpbb2
[02:24] <jakkass> oh i thought you meant kwifimanager
[02:24] <bowens> but i can't convince KNM that it's there
[02:24] <bowens> no, i mean knetworkmanager
[02:24] <exceswater> !server
[02:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments. The default install includes a server kernel and no GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current stable version is 6.06 LTS. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/
[02:24] <dreamer> the stable in debian is 2.0.13, and up to 2.0.21 there are alot of bugs
[02:24] <bowens> the kde version of NetworkManager
[02:24] <exceswater> !undernet
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about undernet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <jakkass> lemme check it out bowens
[02:25] <jakkass> my adapters called ra0
[02:25] <jakkass> because its the ralink chipset
[02:25] <dreamer> exceswater: undernet?
[02:26] <exceswater> i am trying to conect to undernet server
[02:26] <dreamer> ok
[02:26] <exceswater> but it seems like i am not able to
[02:26] <exceswater> can u adivice me ?
[02:26] <dreamer> sorry, no idea, never used it, what is your client?
[02:27] <exceswater> konversation
[02:27] <exceswater> yours ?
[02:27] <dreamer> irssi
[02:27] <exceswater> !irssi
[02:27] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface IRC client ( "sudo apt-get install irssi" without the quotes to try it out )
[02:27] <exceswater> it's nice ?
[02:27] <dreamer> yeah, I run it in screen so i can access it everywhere
[02:28] <dreamer> !screen
[02:28] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[02:28] <dreamer> verry handy :)
[02:28] <dreamer> though it's all command-line, no fancy grafix ;)
[02:29] <dreamer> you can do _alot_ with irssi, run other chat-progs and stuff, have multiple windows embedded etc etc .. I don't know how though :P
[02:29] <dreamer> I jut run it in screen with irc
[02:29] <The_MAtrix_666> Hello
[02:30] <The_MAtrix_666> I nead help
[02:30] <dreamer> exceswater: "This means that you can use screen to keep programs running after you accidentally close the terminal emulator, or even after you log out, and later resume right where you were."
[02:30] <dreamer> The_MAtrix_666: we all need help ;)
[02:30] <exceswater> nice
[02:30] <exceswater> is hard to install screen and irssi ?
[02:30] <dreamer> so I just ssh to this box and resume chating :)
[02:30] <exceswater> man
[02:30] <dreamer> exceswater: just apt-get :)
[02:30] <stdin> so you can login ober ssh from work, and continue when you get back :p
[02:30] <exceswater> u speak strange
[02:30] <The_MAtrix_666> I cant start the Kubuntu from dvd
[02:30] <exceswater> i am new to linux
[02:30] <dreamer> !ssh
[02:30] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[02:30] <exceswater> ssh doesn't mean much for me
[02:31] <dreamer> ssh, screen and irssi are all very impartant ;)
[02:31] <stdin> ssh secure shell
[02:31] <dbase13> i find it weird dreamer, that you haven't been disconnected on this channel during the last 10 minutes, while you just told us that you did on the debian channel every 2 minutes
[02:31] <dreamer> exceswater: remato terminal access to your linex box :)
[02:31] <dreamer> dbase13: no, htat was last week, up untill wednesday, now my connection is primo again :)
[02:31] <stdin> let's you login to your box from a remote box, and it encrypts all the traffic
[02:31] <dreamer> !surfnet
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surfnet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <dbase13> hmmm
[02:32] <emanuele> #ubuntu-it
[02:32] <niko_> hi
[02:32] <exceswater> man
[02:32] <niko_> can you help me
[02:32] <exceswater> it seems like i have screen
[02:32] <exceswater> and irssi
[02:32] <dreamer> niko_: we don't knew
[02:33] <exceswater> how i run it ?
[02:33] <dreamer> exceswater: yes,' it's kind of basic for most distro's
[02:33] <dreamer> exceswater: man screen
[02:33] <niko_> i have a problem with kate
[02:33] <exceswater> yes
[02:33] <exceswater> main screen ?
[02:33] <niko_> when i launch it with konsole to modify a file
[02:33] <dreamer> no, open a terminal, and typ: man screen
[02:33] <The_MAtrix_666> After booting the dvd i select start or install. an then is apear console
[02:33] <dreamer> it gives you the manual
[02:33] <niko_> i have an error
[02:34] <niko_> wait i am going to put a screen on imageshack
[02:34] <stdin> niko_: you can use pastebin to post it
[02:34] <dreamer> exceswater: but basically, for irssi for example, just run # screen irssi
[02:34] <stdin> !pastebin
[02:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:35] <dreamer> then clos the terminal, and enter # screen -d -r (-d for detach, if it is still running, and -r for resuming)
[02:35] <niko_> http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture1lu0.png
[02:36] <exceswater> it runs now
[02:36] <exceswater> !irssi
[02:36] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface IRC client ( "sudo apt-get install irssi" without the quotes to try it out )
[02:36] <exceswater> how i conect to a server
[02:36] <exceswater> ?
[02:36] <dreamer> exceswater: it's running irssi ?
[02:36] <dreamer>  just /connect [server] 
[02:37] <dbase13> can you guys upload your desktops on imageshack.us
[02:37] <dreamer> switch between windews with ctr+p or ctr+n
[02:37] <dbase13> it's always fun to see other pplz desktopz
[02:37] <dreamer> or just check www.irssi.org
[02:38] <dreamer> I just have an (almost) clean standard kde desktop with a pic of me and my gf :P
[02:38] <dreamer> dbase13: http://pimpbak.zapto.org/~dreamer/dingen/desktop-20061207.png
[02:38] <niko_> so what do you think about my problem ?
[02:39] <dreamer> there some more junk on my desktop atm ;P
[02:39] <dreamer> sorry niko_ I don't use kate
[02:39] <stdin> niko_: can you run kate from the menu entry in the kmenu?
[02:39] <dbase13> nice
[02:39] <dreamer> and yours dbase13 ?
[02:39] <dbase13> dreamer, by any chance are you dutch?
[02:40] <dreamer> yes :)
[02:40] <dbase13> ik ook :-)
[02:40] <dreamer> hehe
[02:40] <dreamer> hmm, ik zit niet meer in #ubuntu-nl
[02:40] <dreamer> ne weer wel :)
[02:40] <dbase13> i cant show it to you right now, cuz i'm at work -> xp
[02:40] <niko_> stdin : yes i can
[02:40] <dreamer> tss, ouch, ik haat windows echt tegenwoordig :@
[02:41] <dbase13> hehe
[02:41] <dbase13> tell me about it
[02:41] <stdin> niko_: then you should be able to run it from konsole too, unless you switched user
[02:42] <dreamer> dbase13: waar werk je?
[02:42] <Lynoure> dreamer: you can get rid of it, you know :)
[02:43] <dreamer> Lynoure: of what? ^_^
[02:43] <Lynoure> dreamer: the windows you have at the moment :)
[02:43] <dbase13> dreamer, check private msg
[02:43] <Lynoure> dreamer: unless I mistranslated.
[02:44] <niko_> stdin : it is very strange, i can run kate normally with the Kmenu, but when i launch it by konsole (sudo kate), it krashes :(
[02:44] <dreamer> Lynoure: do I have windows atm?
[02:44] <dreamer> :P
[02:44] <stdin> Lynoure: dbase13 has XP, not dreamer
[02:44] <dreamer> only at work
[02:44] <dbase13> yep, i'm the one behind the wintel
[02:44] <stdin> niko_: you didn't say you used sudo
[02:44] <dreamer> dbase13: I see no pm ..
[02:44] <Lynoure> dreamer: "ik haat windows echt tegenwoordig" does not mean "I have Windows presently"?
[02:45] <dbase13> lolzor
[02:45] <Lynoure> dreamer: maybe it is easier to stick to English here.
[02:45] <dreamer> Lynoure: no, it means: At this moment I hate windows
[02:45] <dreamer> hehe, I will ;)
[02:45] <dbase13> ziet ge nu geen venster met 'kan je dit niet zien?'
[02:45] <stdin> niko_: try with 'kdesu kate' or type: xhost +LOCAL: (no sudo)
[02:45] <dreamer> nop
[02:45] <dbase13> tiens
[02:45] <dreamer> raar
[02:46] <dbase13> dat is wel heel vreemd
[02:46] <dreamer> juh, wat draai je nu?
[02:46] <dbase13> welke IRC client gebruik je?
[02:46] <dreamer> irssi
[02:46] <dbase13> mIRC
[02:46] <dreamer> waarom?
[02:46] <dreamer> :P
[02:46] <dbase13> hehe
[02:46] <Lynoure> Puhutaanko sitten kaikki omilla kielill, perkele.
[02:46] <dbase13> omdat ik windows moet draaien hier :-p
[02:48] <yelonek> hi
[02:48] <Lynoure> yelonek: hello.
[02:48] <niko_> stdin ; strange, kate works finely
[02:48] <yelonek> how do i change my resolution to 1280x ?
[02:49] <yelonek> i got 15.4" monitor and it's blurry with 1024x
[02:49] <niko_> stdin : there must be a bug with konsole
[02:49] <stdin> niko_: it's because you were using sudo, so it was running as root
[02:49] <dreamer> dbase13: ik pm jou nu
[02:49] <yelonek> i can't get more than 1024
[02:49] <kouran> anyone got problems with nvidia drives and x server not starting?
[02:50] <stdin> niko_: and by default only the user logged in can access X
[02:50] <stdin> !resolution | yelonek
[02:50] <ubotu> yelonek: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:50] <dbase13> zie ik niet hoor dreamer
[02:50] <dreamer> heuh, raaar
[02:50] <dreamer> ik pm altijd met mIRC-gebruikers
[02:50] <dbase13> vreemd hoor
[02:51] <stdin> yelonek: you can try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
[02:51] <Jucato> kouran: still no luck?
[02:52] <yelonek> thx, stdin i'll do it
[02:52] <dreamer> dbase13: heb je thuis geen ubuntu draaien dan?
[02:53] <dbase13> tuurlijk wel
[02:53] <dbase13> ubuntu en kubuntu
[02:53] <dreamer> ook atm aan?
[02:53] <niko_> stdin : but it is very strange when i am "root" in konsole and i want to launch kate, there is always the problem with Xlib
[02:54] <dbase13> atm?
[02:54] <dreamer> op dit moment?
[02:54] <stdin> niko_: the xhost cammand will fix that (until you logout)
[02:55] <niko_> stdin : xhost command ?
[02:55] <dbase13> neen, heb thuis op een laptop kubuntu draaien, maar staat nu nie op
[02:55] <stdin> niko_: root isn't allowed to access your display when you're logged in
[02:55] <dbase13> of wat bedoel je?
[02:55] <stdin> niko_: xhost +LOCAL:
[02:55] <dreamer> mja, ik bedoelde of je pc's aan staan en online zijn, want waarom dan niet irssi of bitchx in een screen over ssh? :P
[02:56] <stdin> you do know this is the english language channel, don't ya? :p
[02:57] <dbase13> yes, we know, but for some reason we cannot talk in private
[02:57] <stdin> is one of you not registered?
[02:57] <dbase13> dreamer= registered?
[02:58] <dreamer> aah, that may be the pm-prob :P
[02:58] <dreamer> no :P
[02:58] <dreamer> at least, not by me ..
[02:58] <dreamer> meh, w/e :P
[02:58] <dbase13> !regier
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about regier - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <dbase13> !register
[02:58] <dreamer> gotta go do some stuff anyway
[02:58] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:59] <stdin> dbase13: you can let an unregistered user /msg you my typing "/msg nickserv set unfiltered on"
[02:59] <dbase13> cool
[02:59] <dbase13> thanx
[02:59] <stdin> np :)
[03:00] <stdin> it's a bit annoying reading a conversation I can't understand :p
[03:00] <dbase13> msg me to see if it worx nog dreamer
[03:02] <dreamer> I am ..
[03:02] <Lynoure> stdin: even if one of them is unregistered, forming a new channel would be preferable to chatting in foreign language here.
[03:03] <stdin> yeah :p
[03:03] <dreamer> there is an #ubuntu-nl though :P
[03:03] <Lynoure> dreamer: yep, but this is not it.
[03:04] <dreamer> uhuh
[03:04] <dbase13> we kned that Lynoure
[03:04] <dbase13> smartass
[03:04] <dbase13> knew
[03:05] <Lynoure> That's the bit that is annoying, you knowing but not caring.
[03:05] <dbase13> i do care, but in order for me to solve the problem, i have to communicate
[03:06] <martbd> Kubuntu hangs on shutdown or reboot
[03:06] <Lynoure> Feel free to, in English :)
[03:06] <dbase13> the man is keeping us down dreamer
[03:06] <dbase13> (h)
[03:06] <Lynoure> Or I can set you a private chat channel, if you prefer.
[03:06] <dbase13> it's ok dude
[03:06] <dreamer> :(
[03:06] <dbase13> no stress
[03:07] <dbase13> ;-)
[03:07] <dbase13> that's why we prefer Linux, don't we?
[03:07] <martbd> Help
[03:07] <dbase13> yeah, hi yourself martbd
[03:07] <martbd> hello
[03:07] <dbase13> @ dreamer: definitely
[03:08] <dbase13> old boy, requiem for a dream, human traffic
[03:08] <Lynoure> martbd: What do you need help with
[03:08] <dreamer> seen em:P
[03:08] <dbase13> blow
[03:09] <dbase13> saw3
[03:09] <dreamer> hmm
[03:09] <kubuntu> how do fix my reboot crisis
[03:09] <dreamer> don't think I've seen blow
[03:10] <dbase13> pretty good with Depp
[03:10] <dbase13> other good movie with Johnny Depp & Al Pacino = Donnie Brasco
[03:10] <Lynoure> kubuntu: What kind of reboot crisis?
[03:10] <dbase13> great movie
[03:10] <kubuntu> computer hangs
[03:10] <dbase13> martbd's computer hangs on a reboot or shutdown
[03:11] <dbase13> dreamer, have you seen the godfather series?
[03:11] <dreamer> meh, I think I have :P not my kind of flicks though
[03:11] <dbase13> :-o
[03:11] <dreamer> hmm, can't find blow (on dc++)
[03:11] <dbase13> you rape coolness dreamer :-p
[03:12] <dreamer> ah, there it is
[03:12] <dbase13> that's pretty impossible :-)
[03:12] <dreamer> hehe :P
[03:12] <dbase13> hehe
[03:12] <dbase13> there you go
[03:12] <Lynoure> !ohmy
[03:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:12] <Lynoure> and also
[03:12] <dreamer> heeh
[03:12] <Lynoure> !offtopic
[03:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:13] <dreamer> ohyeah, lets go there dbase13 ;)
[03:13] <dbase13> ok
[03:13] <dreamer> or #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <dbase13> i'm in kubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <Lynoure> martbd: It has worked properly before or always hanged?
[03:13] <martbd> never
[03:14] <Lynoure> martbd: Are you using 6.10 or some other version?
[03:14] <martbd> yes
[03:14] <martbd> 6.10 edgy
[03:15] <Lynoure> So you cannot start Kubuntu at all or does it just hang before shutdown?
[03:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all ! :)
[03:15] <martbd> I can't shutdown
[03:15] <martbd> morning
[03:16] <sleepy543> where can I find the screensavers in 6.06?
[03:17] <dbase13> display settings
[03:17] <BluesKaj> it should be in sys/settings/desktop
[03:17] <Lynoure> martbd: What's the last thing you see working at shutdown? ("Shutting down" what?)
[03:18] <Lynoure> martbd: and have you checked if there is anything relevant in the logs?
[03:18] <sleepy543> thanks
[03:19] <martbd> Firefox
[03:21] <Lynoure> martbd: no shutdown messages at all? So you just get firefox and it stops reponding but stays on the screen?
[03:21] <jpiccolo> anyone willing to help me parse something out of a command
[03:22] <martbd> the goes to black and stops
[03:24] <martbd> computer fails to reboot or shutdown
[03:25] <BluesKaj> ahhh, I had that prob , it was xserver xinit ... server error ..reconfig the xserver-xorg might work
[03:25] <Ridayah> ug, how can you downgrade a package to a slightly older version?
[03:26] <dennis_> where are ghostscript config files? i cannot find them...
[03:26] <stdin> Ridayah: do you know the version number you want?
[03:26] <Ridayah> Firefox 1.5.0.9 is buggy and causing serious issues, I want to head back to 1.5.0.8 since it worked just fine.
[03:26] <Ridayah> stdin: Yep
[03:26] <stdin> Ridayah: it'll be 'apt-get install package=version'
[03:27] <BluesKaj> Ridayah, what vers of kubuntu are you running?
[03:27] <Ridayah> 6.06
[03:27] <BluesKaj> FF2 runs ok on dapper
[03:27] <Ridayah> stdin: Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[03:27] <Ridayah> BluesKaj: Question is, will it work with the plugins I like, and will it suffer the same error?
[03:28] <stdin> the version may be something like 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.8-0ubuntu0.6.06
[03:28] <Ridayah> sounds about right on the version.
[03:28] <jpiccolo> can anyone help with grep
[03:28] <faeryNatsuki> hello, i need a little help
[03:28] <BluesKaj> ok , good point Ridayah...spoofstick won't run on FF2 for sure
[03:28] <faeryNatsuki> i need to open the kde control panel from command line, do you know what is the command?
[03:28] <BluesKaj> it's one i used to like having around
[03:29] <stdin> jpiccolo: depends on what you want, and if I know how
[03:29] <sivaji_2009> y dont linux profession optimize the os support .exe file
[03:29] <BluesKaj> startkde?
[03:29] <Jucato> faeryNatsuki: kcontrol
[03:30] <sivaji_2009> y dont linux profession optimize the os to support .exe file
[03:30] <stdin> faeryNatsuki: or 'systemsettings' for the kubuntu version
[03:30] <jpiccolo> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/545/
[03:30] <faeryNatsuki> Jucato: thanks a lot :)
[03:30] <stdin> sivaji_2009: because this isn't windows
[03:30] <jpiccolo> stdin: i only want the first temp
[03:31] <jpiccolo> stdin: i can get it to get the temps but i dont want both
[03:31] <McGruff> Is anybody familiar with KNetworkManager?
[03:31] <stdin> jpiccolo: try 'grep Core0'
[03:31] <jpiccolo> there is a newline between the Core0 and the temp
[03:31] <yelonek> !xubuntu
[03:31] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[03:31] <sivaji_2009> but most of the software available  on web are exe based
[03:31] <Lynoure> McGruff: are you taking a poll? Me! me!
[03:32] <McGruff> LOL
[03:32] <stdin> jpiccolo: ahh, right, give me a sec :p
[03:32] <Deez> what is the default email client for Kubuntu?
[03:32] <McGruff> Lynoure, are you familiar with the error "No network devices found"?
[03:32] <stdin> Deez: kmail
[03:32] <Lynoure> McGruff: But if you have an actual question, it helps to ask it.
[03:32] <Jucato> Deez: kmail
[03:32] <Jucato> ugh... too slow...
[03:32] <Lynoure> McGruff: I think it is the same old same old, wait a bit, I'll give you an url of something to try
[03:32] <sivaji_2009> is there any ide equivalent to ms visual studio
[03:32] <Deez> Jucato, I could not find kmail anywhere in my menus... is there a way to show all applications installed or something? I went nuts looking for it
[03:33] <help> Why doesn't hang shutting  down?
[03:33] <Jucato> Deez: run Kontact from K Menu -> Office
[03:33] <Lynoure> McGruff: Give this a try, if you haven't already: http://www.lynoure.org/blog/index.php?/archives/76-Solving-the-common-NetworkManager-problem.html
[03:33] <cloakable> Is there any way I can turn composite off in xorg?
[03:34] <stdin> jpiccolo: ok, 'grep -A1 Core0' will work, if you only want the temp, then you can use 'grep -A1 Core0|tail -1'
[03:34] <Deez> Jucato, I found kontact, so there is no direct link to kmail? I launched through cli and it is there...
[03:34] <Lynoure> McGruff: I do not know why but often networkmanager is not very happy with devices defined in interfaces.
[03:34] <McGruff> Lynoure: thanks, no i'd googled a bit but never saw that link
[03:34] <Lynoure> McGruff: That's because nobody reads my blog :)
[03:34] <Deez> Jucato, I see
[03:34] <McGruff> Lynoure: nobody reads mine either.... *sigh*
[03:34] <sivaji_2009> is there any ide equivalent to ms visual studio
[03:35] <Lynoure> McGruff: if it helps, feel free to link to it =)
[03:35] <Lynoure> McGruff: If not, let me know and maybe another solution can be found.
[03:35] <McGruff> Lynoure: probably not relavant, mine has more to do with politics and objectivist philosophy
[03:35] <jpiccolo> stdin: sweet thanks alot
[03:35] <McGruff> Lynoure: i'm checking it out now
[03:35] <stdin> jpiccolo: no problem :)
[03:37] <stdin> cloakable: what graphics card do you have?
[03:37] <cloakable> stdin: nVidia 5200
[03:37] <matroblend> If I change graphic cards will it be auto detected?
[03:38] <BluesKaj> what is objectivist philosophy ...being a totally objective dispassionate uninvolved observer i suppose .. ?
[03:38] <stdin> cloakable: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is there a line like "Option          "Composite"     "Enable"" in there?
[03:38] <cloakable> stdin: Not that I can see.
[03:38] <stdin> matroblend: yes, it will be auto detected, but you'll still need to reconfigure xorg
[03:39] <BluesKaj> but that's off topic , I'll be reprimanded for mentioning it.
[03:39] <stdin> cloakable: do you use XGL or AIGLX?
[03:39] <cloakable> stdin: Neither.
[03:39] <stdin> cloakable: them composite is already off
[03:40] <cloakable> stdin: Zinf disagrees with you :P
[03:40] <stdin> and who/what s Zinf ?
[03:40] <cloakable> stdin: (<unknown>:8424): Gdk-WARNING **: Attempt to draw a drawable with depth 24 to a drawable with depth 32
[03:40] <cloakable>  - that's the error Zinf gives when trying to qun in a x server with compositing.
[03:41] <sivaji_2009> if every software become free and open source how eng can survive
[03:41] <cloakable> stdin: Music player. Very light, so good for laptops/older hardware.
[03:41] <Lynoure> sivaji_2009: free and open does not mean not getting paid.
[03:42] <Lynoure> sivaji_2009: But if you want to talk about that, join #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[03:42] <stdin> cloakable: that looks to be something to do with colour depth, not composit
[03:43] <cloakable> stdin: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1033026&group_id=51494&atid=463479 - the problem is identified, and there's already a workaround for Slackware.
[03:43] <Jucato> Deez: there's no direct way in the K Menu to launch KMail, but you can always add it yourself
[03:44] <dreamer> i, how can I switch between desktops from the koyboard?
[03:45] <doodles> hello
[03:46] <matlec> hi
[03:46] <stdin> cloakable: have you followed the instructions here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=264789
[03:46] <doodles> is there a live cd of new kubuntu or only a dvd?
[03:46] <Jucato> dreamer: Ctrl+F1-F4?
[03:46] <dreamer> Jucato: no
[03:46] <Jucato> what do you mean "no"?
[03:47] <stdin> doodles: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/  (for edgy) the desktop CD is the live CD and install CD
[03:47] <dreamer> it doesn't work
[03:47] <doodles> stdin: ahh... ok ... thanks
[03:47] <amir__> How do I get the latest flash player ?
[03:47] <Jucato> you're not using Beryl or something?
[03:47] <cloakable> stdin: No extensions section in the xorg.conf, and no mention of one in the man page.
[03:47] <dreamer> Jucato: KDE
[03:47] <Jucato> amir__: flash 7 or flash 9 beta?
[03:48] <amir__> jucato, I dont know a site im trying to enter says latest flash player
[03:48] <Jucato> dreamer: it should be Ctrl+F1 for the first desktop, Ctrl+F2 for the 2nd, etc
[03:48] <stdin> cloakable: try adding the section, but just put 'Option "RENDER" "Enable" '
[03:48] <dreamer> Jucato: it doesn't work
[03:49] <Jucato> dreamer: anyway, you can set your own keyboard shortcut in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:49] <cloakable> stdin: ..okay. I can always remove it, i suppode.
[03:49] <dreamer> Jucato: not very handy either, since ctrl+f4 is window close in firefox
[03:49] <Jucato> dreamer: isn't that Alt+F4?
[03:49] <stdin> cloakable: that's the spirit :p
[03:49] <dreamer> Jucato: er, I meant close tabs
[03:49] <cloakable> stdin: :P
[03:50] <Jucato> dreamer: ah not Ctrl+W? anyway, like I said, you can set your own shortcuts
[03:50] <dreamer> Jucato: also ctr+w
[03:50] <cloakable> stdin: BRB :P
[03:51] <stdin> ok
[03:51] <burepe> BlackPhoenixx: Thanks for your help. I am really sorry I fell asleep when we took that break. I guess I was really tired. Didn't mean to dis you.
[03:51] <pippo_> Ciao a tutti.
[03:51] <dreamer> Jucato: not where you said
[03:51] <Jucato> dreamer: are you on Edgy or Dapper?
[03:51] <dreamer> dapper
[03:51] <stdin> !it | pippo_
[03:51] <ubotu> pippo_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:51] <dreamer> kde 3.5
[03:51] <matroblend> stdin: Thanks, I am dropping my ATI 9550 for Nvidia 6200 to improve the driver issues of ATI
[03:52] <dreamer> Jucato: from an ubuntu install
[03:52] <Jucato> dreamer: Kubuntu Edgy or Kubuntu Dapper, not asking for the KDE version
[03:52] <dreamer> Jucato: so not original kubuntu
[03:52] <pippo_> Chiedo scusa,  la prima volta..
[03:52] <Jucato> dreamer: did you install kubuntu-desktop or kde/kde-core?
[03:52] <dreamer> Jucato: afaik
[03:52] <cloakable> stdin: Didn't work :( Still got the error.
[03:52] <Jucato> dreamer: so you don't have "system settings", only kcontrol?
[03:52] <stdin> matroblend: when you 1st boot with it, X probably won't start, so just reconfigure it
[03:53] <dreamer> Jucato: I have K-mune >> Settings >> Peripherals
[03:53] <dreamer> menu*
[03:53] <stdin> cloakable: sorry, I've no clue then
[03:53] <cloakable> stdin: Tis okay.
[03:53] <mfproroc> greets
[03:53] <Jucato> dreamer: K Menu -> Settings -> Regional & Accessiblity -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:54] <dreamer> ok thnx
[03:54] <Lynoure> McGruff: And results, either way?
[03:54] <matroblend> stdin:Ok now I have second thoughts as I am not so good at fixing things form command line it the a walkthrough?
[03:55] <jpiccolo> anyone using a nforce4 board?
[03:56] <stdin> matroblend: all you need to do is type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" after you login at the console
[03:56] <stdin> matroblend: it will detect what card you have and set it up
[03:56] <stdin> matroblend: you mostly just press enter a lot
[03:57] <BluesKaj> and the tabkey :)
[03:58] <stdin> yeah, maybe the up and down keys too
[03:58] <BluesKaj> :)
[03:58] <Hassan2a_> hello all
[03:59] <matroblend> stdin:Thank you stdin
[04:00] <stdin> you're welcome matroblend
[04:01] <McGruff> Lynoure; nope, though my current interfaces file doesn't look odd so i can't figure out what KNM is choking on
[04:11] <xnp> hi everybody i am looking for software to learn french, is there any for linux
[04:13] <GrahamRA> Frenchie: http://www.frenchtutorial.com/news.php?page=2
[04:13] <BluesKaj> xnp, most cd/dvd programs with video and audio will run on linux as well as windows
[04:13] <GrahamRA> Didn't take more than 5 seconds on Google to find.
[04:14] <BluesKaj> GrahamRA, don't think he meant in french ...i think he means he wants to learn french , but thinks there's something spaecial for linux
[04:16] <GrahamRA> I know that's what he meant, read the page.
[04:16] <BluesKaj> nope, too lazy
[04:16] <GrahamRA> Then don't tell me what I posted is right/wrong if you're not going to check it... ffs...
[04:16] <vge> :)
[04:18] <BluesKaj> looks like it's in french to me
[04:20] <dognews> hi
[04:20] <dognews> did anyone of you already got looking glass working?
[04:20] <dognews> *get
[04:22] <mfproroc> project looking glass?
[04:23] <dognews> yeah - the java based 3d window manager
[04:23] <sleepy543> is there a way to see if my motherboard is pci or agp?
[04:23] <mfproroc> ive run it on solaris, gentoo, and suse - but not in a couple of months
[04:23] <stdin> dognews: I'm gonna try and get that installed now
[04:23] <noiesmo> sleepy543, type "lspci " without quotes in terminal
[04:24] <sleepy543> thanks!
[04:24] <dognews> stdin: cool! I tried it yesterday, but it didn't work :(
[04:24] <mfproroc> xgl is a little better imho
[04:24] <mfproroc> theres a live cd out
[04:24] <cloakable> Got zinf running :)
[04:24] <dognews> mfproroc: but hard to install and not that good with ati cards :(
[04:25] <mfproroc> http://nchc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lg3d-livecd/lg3d-livecd-3.0.0.iso
[04:25] <mfproroc> running a FireGL here
[04:25] <dognews> stdin: do you use the packages?
[04:25] <mfproroc> no problems on lin - some on solaris w/ ati
[04:25] <mfproroc> no probs solaris/nvidia
[04:25] <dognews> mfproroc: I tried that live cd too, but it's so slow with my computer :(
[04:26] <mfproroc> ;p
[04:26] <mfproroc> dognews: what proc/mem/vid
[04:26] <stdin> dognews: I'm going to try adding the apt repository "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib"
[04:27] <dognews> stdin: ok, that's what I did, too - everything worked fine, until he started to install the core package
[04:28] <Lynoure> McGruff: it does not need to look off. it tends to not be able to use interfaces that are there. So odd is what would be good.
[04:28] <gdiebel> what command can I use to identify what httpd a server is running?
[04:28] <dognews> stdin: adept gave me that error message: "Could not commit changes: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[04:28] <stdin> woah "Need to get 139MB of archives"
[04:29] <Lynoure> McGruff: You can comment out everything except loopback and see if it makes a difference. If not, easy to uncomment and go back
[04:29] <dognews> stdin: did you install java 6 for it?
[04:30] <stdin> dognews: no, just gonna try with the packages in the repository
[04:30] <stdin> lg3d-core, lg3d-java3d and lg3d-jdk
[04:32] <dognews> stdin: ok, please tell me, when there happens something
[04:32] <sb9> does anyone know whether stdout is a pipe , i.e. does it have the same restrictions to it as a pipe a define myself ?
[04:32] <sb9> its size
[04:32] <sb9> and so on
[04:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm... a pipe has restrictions?
[04:33] <jontec> my wireless isn't working... in system settings > network I try to enable eth1 (my wireless card) and it enables, but says it's disabled really quickly... why?
[04:33] <stdin> sb9: stdout normally points to the tty you are on
[04:33] <sb9> yes its size is limited to 512bytes (posix)
[04:33] <asraniel> question. why does the live installer of kubuntu in the partition choser show other partition names than qtparted?
[04:33] <sb9> but often it is larger
[04:33] <mfproroc> sb9: you can change that in 2.6.19 with a custom kernel though
[04:34] <sb9> i have a embedded system with 256bytes max
[04:34] <sb9> per pie
[04:34] <sb9> pipe
[04:34] <stamen> hi
[04:34] <stdin> mmm, pie :p
[04:34] <stamen> who can tell me how to change the bucket icon
[04:35] <stamen> trash icon
[04:35] <stamen> and the K button
[04:36] <sb9> join #bash
[04:36] <stdin> sb9: stdout normally points to the tty you are on
[04:37] <stdin> eg /dev/pts/1 or /dev/tty1
[04:37] <niko_> hello, i want to know one thing
[04:37] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[04:39] <niko_> when i enter top in konsole, the memory stats that appear, is it about the memory taken for the cache ?
[04:40] <niko_> in fact, i mean when you enter free in konsole, you have three rows
[04:41] <niko_> one for memory, one for cached and one for swap
[04:41] <seTecHno> hi all! I have a problem with the Kopetex plugin for kopete under Kubuntu, which worked fine for Gentoo
[04:42] <stamen> hi Dr_willis :)
[04:42] <seTecHno> tetex and imagemagick installed, as soon as I type in somehing between the $$, he freezes Kopete! but he creates the output in the home directory; even after killing kopete and deleting the output.png he recreates it endlessly
[04:42] <stamen> Dr_willis: could you help me
[04:42] <stamen> if you can
[04:42] <seTecHno> any ideas to fix this?
[04:46] <seTecHno> please anyone
[04:47] <Jucato> seTecHno: maybe you could ask in #kopete?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[04:47] <Jucato> ??
[04:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:48] <seTecHno> I'll try there, thx
[04:48] <Dr_willis> Oh wait - no coffee... got an ulcer...
[04:49] <Jucato> oh wait, no bottled water.... pollution
[04:49] <Dr_willis> it came from the tap anyway
[04:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> i just refill the bottle.
[04:51] <Jucato> oh btw, Dr_willis
[04:51] <Jucato> weren't you the one asking about a theming guide for Kubuntu before?
[04:51] <Dr_willis> You mentined it last night. :)
[04:51] <Dr_willis> ya get the KDM part done?
[04:51] <Jucato> yeah
[04:51] <Jucato> haven't decided where to put it yet, though, besides my own page
[04:52] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html <-- temporary home
[04:52] <Dr_willis> heh.. there was somthing else i noticed... lets see...
[04:52] <Dr_willis> Theres those  'Theme-things' that then use other data files... i forget what  the name of the one i saw was...
[04:52] <Jucato> KDE themes (.kth)
[04:52] <Jucato> also discussed :)
[04:53] <Jucato> only thing I didn't discuss were Fonts
[04:53] <Dr_willis> 'dekator'
[04:53] <Jucato> dekorator
[04:53] <Dr_willis> had to sort of explain that the other day to a guy.. not sure how they would fit in with the other 'theme' thangs. a meta-themeing-add on?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> just installed it today to mess with it a little.
[04:54] <Jucato> dekorator is a window decoration (needs to be compiled or installed like a program) that lets you use (pixmap-based) themes to control its appearance
[04:54] <yelonek> !wine
[04:54] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:55] <Dr_willis> sort of a specilized to be flexiable window decoration. :)
[04:55] <Dr_willis> I think i noticed that Dekorator is in the repos... but i dident see any themes for it in the repos...
[04:55] <Dr_willis> unless it comes with a few. (its installing now)
[04:55] <stdin> dognews: did you use adept to install the packages?
[04:55] <Jucato> yep, no themes for dekorator
[04:56] <dognews> stdin: yes
[04:56] <Jucato> because you don't need to compile themes for dekorator
[04:56] <Dr_willis> which was sort of the guys problem.. he installed it.. and dident find it doing anything. Heh.
[04:56] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you'd be happy to know, dekorator is also covered in that guide :)
[04:56] <stdin> dognews: that may be why it failed, you have to accept some licences, and adept has no way to do that
[04:56] <stdin> dognews: you need to do it from konsole
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Isent there another similer one to Dekorator.. or am i thinking of one that uses icewm themes?
[04:57] <dognews> stdin: but as it didn't work, I also tried it with apt-get, but this didn't work either
[04:57] <Jucato> Dr_willis: IceWM
[04:57] <stdin> dognews: what was the error from apt-get ?
[04:57] <dognews> stdin: I accepted the licences - I just had to "Show Details" and hit "y" and return
[04:57] <Jucato> Dr_willis: there's an IceWM windeco for KDE. available through the kdeartwork-theme-window package
[04:58] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  ok. that must of been what i saw while exploring.
[04:59] <dognews> stdin: Unpacking lg3d-core (from .../lg3d-core_1.0.0_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lg3d-core_1.0.0_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:00] <stdin> dognews: try 'sudo apt-get --reinstall install lg3d-core'
[05:01] <dognews> stdin: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! lg3d-core Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y Preconfiguring packages ... lg3d-core failed to preconfigure, with exit status 1
[05:01] <dognews> stdin: and again the same error, I sent you before
[05:02] <stdin> dognews: all that script dose is displat the licence and ask you to accept it
[05:03] <stdin> dognews: try uninstalling it and reinstalling
[05:06] <dognews> $ sudo apt-get remove lg3d-core
[05:06] <dognews> Package lg3d-core is not installed, so not removed
[05:06] <Hassan2a_> re
[05:06] <Hassan2a_> http://www.cnetdirectintl.com/direct/tarsus/Linux/email_Linux2.htm
[05:06] <jamaur> hey all, does anyone have any advice for buying an external hard drive?  Future shop has a 320GB Comstar Platinum ext drive on sale for $150 Cdn, but it says it's uncompatible with Mac, and there's no mention of Linux, so I'm not sure if it'll work (though I'm sure it would)
[05:06] <Dr_willis> !find lg3d
[05:06] <ubotu> Package/file lg3d does not exist in edgy
[05:07] <Hassan2a_> allez visiter ce lien
[05:07] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  usb? firewire? serialata?
[05:07] <jamaur> usb
[05:07] <Hassan2a_> no firewire
[05:07] <Dr_willis> should work.. not sure how good a price that is.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> it pays to look at the drive/case and find one that feels solidly built. :)
[05:08] <HymnToLife> !fr | Hassan2a_
[05:08] <ubotu> Hassan2a_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:08] <dognews> stdin: It obviously can't remove the core package because it isn't installed yet
[05:08] <stdin> dognews: you can always try it the hard way
[05:08] <Dr_willis> i tend to buy the 'usb drive bays' and put in my own drives
[05:08] <Hassan2a_> !fr HymnToLife
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr HymnToLife - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <Hassan2a_> !fr | HymnToLife
[05:08] <ubotu> HymnToLife: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:08] <dbase13> i dont like the system with the bays
[05:08] <dbase13> rather have a 'real' external hd
[05:08] <stdin> dognews: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst (as root) and comment it all out
[05:08] <Dr_willis> I mean the external drive 'box's' heh heh  - whatever ya want to call them
[05:09] <Dr_willis> I got some very solid alumimun ones.. where a bit pricy. but they are solid and dont need a fan.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> often the low end ones skimp on the power supplies.
[05:09] <jamaur> dr willis, interesting, how much would 320GB cost by doing it that way, roughly?
[05:09] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, 150bucks cdn is about 135US , not bad for a 320G drive , but I've never heard of that brand
[05:09] <Hassan2a_> !fr
[05:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:09] <dognews> stdin: what for? this doesn't sound as if it would work afterwards ;)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> a good drive case = $50 or so US. but that was a year+ ago.. may be cheaper now.
[05:10] <Hassan2a_> !fr dognews
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr dognews - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <dognews> stdin: does it work on your system?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Ive had some cheap ones not even work.. they dident give enough power to the HD.
[05:10] <stdin> dognews: that's the script that causes your error, so if you comment it all out, no error
[05:10] <Dr_willis> ive moved all my usb drives internal however.. they were just too slow for my needs.
[05:10] <stdin> dognews: I haven't loggin in to it yet, so I don't know if it works, but it's installed
[05:11] <jamaur> would I be able to read/play mp3's from a usb ext drive?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  that would work.
[05:11] <stdin> jamaur: yes, sure
[05:11] <BluesKaj> jamaur, afaik most IDE drives can run linux
[05:11] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  but i was copying over/backing up 4+gb files all the time... that got too slow. :)
[05:11] <dognews> stdin: but maybe it doesn't work without that script
[05:11] <Dr_willis> ya need 320gb for mp3's?
[05:12] <Hassan2a_> !fr all
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr all - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <dognews> stdin: it's strange, that it does work on your system, but not on my computer :(
[05:12] <Hassan2a_> !help
[05:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:12] <jamaur> dr_willis, no, I would like to back up my whole system as well
[05:12] <stdin> dognews: I've looked at the script, all it dose it ask you to accept the licence
[05:12] <dognews> oh
[05:12] <dognews> ok
[05:12] <Hassan2a_> oh
[05:12] <Hassan2a_> ok
[05:12] <stdin> dognews: it's safe to comment it out
[05:12] <jamaur> including mp3's, which I'd want to play
[05:12] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  should work. but you may want to pay attention to the brand of drive in the unit. if you want the most bang for your buck.
[05:13] <BTR> What app can i use as a FTP client?
[05:13] <jamaur> dr_willis, so if I bought a nice case, what type of drives would work with it?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> ive seen those external drive cases. that have network ports now a days - that would be faster.. and i saw one the other day that could play mp3/vidoes stand alone even.
[05:13] <dbase13> KBear
[05:13] <dbase13> KASABLANCA
[05:13] <BluesKaj> jamaur, do you have a URL, so we can check out the drive ?
[05:13] <stdin> BTR: konqueror
[05:13] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  depends on the case. :) id be tempted to go with SATA drives now - if the interface of the case is what you need.
[05:14] <jamaur> http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10079845&catid=23795
[05:14] <BTR> thanks stdin:)
[05:14] <stdin> np
[05:14] <dbase13> KBear, Kasablanca and gFTP are also good FTP Clients
[05:14] <dbase13> => BTR
[05:15] <stdin> but he's already got konqueror :p
[05:15] <stdin> and it's a pretty good client too
[05:15] <jamaur> dr_willis, so just any internal SATA drive?  For example, the same ones that I'd plug into my desktop tower?
[05:15] <stdin> not he best
[05:15] <stdin> but good
[05:16] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  yep. i often use my old drives in usb enclosures
[05:16] <Dr_willis> jamaur,  usb is the bottle neck. so often the older slower drives work just fine. no loss of speed.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> but newer drives may use less power/noise..
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I rember when my $100 external usb drive /100gb was  'amazing' :)
[05:17] <dognews> stdin: I haven't got any lg3d-core file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[05:17] <stdin> dognews: try to apt-get install it again
[05:18] <jl> I have the problem that, apparently, the 64 bit Kubuntu 6.10 version is not able to correctly display images and movies.
[05:18] <jamaur> dr_willis, any particular brands of usb drive bays that you'd recommend?
[05:19] <dognews> stdin: I did that just 2 minutes ago - still no file
[05:19] <stdin> Dr_willis: I remember when 1GB driver were considered massive :p
[05:19] <jl> Does anybode have a clue on how to solve this issue or what is the reason for it?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> stdin,  yep. i saw those new flashmedia drives comming out soon in 32gb sizes
[05:19] <Dr_willis> jl,  what 'images' ?
[05:19] <stdin> dognews: no file called '/var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst' ?
[05:19] <jl> pictures (jpg,png,...)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> and what are you viewing them in?
[05:20] <dognews> stdin: nope
[05:20] <jl> there are strange artefacts in dark areas of pictures and movies
[05:21] <jl> it does not matter, i tested firefox, konqueror, kaffeine, mplayer, vlc, ...
[05:21] <stdin> dognews: do you have '/var/cache/apt/archives/lg3d-core_1.0.0_i386.deb' ?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> sounds like a video driver issue perhaps.
[05:21] <jl> i tested the nv and nvidia driver: both have the same problem on amd64
[05:21] <dognews> stdin: yes with a size of 60,6 MB
[05:22] <Dr_willis> try a live cd. 32bit and they display fine?
[05:22] <jl> i also tested kernel 2.6.17 and 2.6.19 and it doesn't make a difference
[05:22] <jl> yes, the ubuntu 32bit live cd works
[05:22] <jl> the kubuntu 6.10 live cd and installation does not work
[05:22] <stdin> dognews: yeah, try 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/lg3d-core_1.0.0_i386.deb'
[05:23] <jl> it is quite frustrating, because i just recently migrated to kubuntu :-/
[05:23] <Dr_willis> You mean the Ubuntu 6.10 live cd. works/boots/diplays fine? but the Kubuntu Livecd dont boot? dont display right?
[05:23] <dognews> stdin: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:23] <stdin> dognews: is /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst there now?
[05:23] <HymnToLife> !alternate | jl
[05:23] <ubotu> jl: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[05:24] <dognews> stdin: no
[05:24] <jl> the Kubuntu 6.10 amd64 live cd does not display pictures and movies correctly
[05:24] <jl> the Ubuntu 6.10 i386 live cd works correctly
[05:24] <stdin> dognews: try 'sudo dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/lg3d-core_1.0.0_i386.deb'
[05:24] <Dr_willis> and you havent tested the Ubuntu 6.10 amd64 cd yet?
[05:25] <jl> @ubotu: how is this related to my problem?
[05:25] <stdin> jl: ubotu is a bot, it can't answer you
[05:25] <Dr_willis> I dont even bother with the amd64  versions any more.. just too many issues in the past.
[05:26] <HymnToLife> jl, you don't want to use the Live CD on a daily basis, do you ?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> There are some amd64 related forums/wiki pages I think.
[05:26] <GrahamRA> jl: ubotu is just a botm won't reply.
[05:26] <Dr_willis> !hug
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <HymnToLife> !botsnack
[05:26] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:26] <jl> no, i haven't tested Ubuntu 6.10 i386, but I think it Kubuntu/Ubuntu are likely to behave the same for this problem
[05:27] <HymnToLife> @lart stdin
[05:27] <dognews> stdin: again: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:27] <GrahamRA> !botkill
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botkill - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <GrahamRA> Aww...
[05:27] <HymnToLife> is Ubugtu dead ?
[05:27] <HymnToLife> @time Paris
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Paris: January 05 2007, 17:27:39
[05:27] <GrahamRA> !pancakes
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pancakes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <jl> @Hymn: i have a full installation of Kubuntu 6.10 amd64, but additionally I also tested the Live-CD (to make sure that the problem is not my fault)
[05:28] <HymnToLife> jl, it doesn't work in a full install either ?
[05:28] <jl> it is the same like the live CD
[05:29] <stdin> dognews: what dose 'find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -name "lg3d*" give?
[05:29] <stdin> post in pastebin
[05:29] <sleepy543> !kidding
[05:29] <ubotu> You may think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users or irritate people who actually start answering your question :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134   is the ubuntu 64bit forums...
[05:31] <dognews> stdin: /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.templates /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-jdk.config /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-jdk.templates /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-jdk.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.config /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-java3d.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-jdk.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-jdk.l
[05:31] <dognews> lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-jdk.postinst
[05:32] <jl> it is not easy to find the right search phrases for the problem
[05:32] <Dr_willis> jl,  yea. not seeing many hits as i search either.
[05:32] <jl> so far, i didn't find anything useful
[05:32] <HymnToLife> !pastebin | dognews
[05:32] <Dr_willis> jl,  it aint somthing basic like you having the color depth set too low? :)
[05:32] <ubotu> dognews: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:32] <GrahamRA> Where in bloody hell is Firefox installed?
[05:32] <HymnToLife> GrahamRA, why do you care ?
[05:33] <GrahamRA> Need to install flash.
[05:33] <fdoving> !flash9
[05:33] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[05:33] <Dr_willis> jl,  its highly possible its a nvidia driver bug with their 64bit versions.
[05:33] <HymnToLife> any reason why you don't just apt-get it ?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> but you said its affecting nv and 'nvidia' drivers... try the 'vesa' drivers perhaps?
[05:33] <jl> willis: i don't think the problem is my fault, because it also happens with live cd
[05:34] <Dr_willis> jl,  it happens with the 64bit live cd also.. thats an interesting clue.
[05:34] <HymnToLife> Dr_willis, I don't think it's even possible to play videos with the vesa :p
[05:34] <Dr_willis> jl,  to be honest.. ive given up on even trying the 64bit disrtos any more.
[05:34] <stdin> dognews: strange, ok, try commanting out all the lg3d*.preinst files
[05:34] <stdin> dognews: they are all the same
[05:34] <GrahamRA> Because I've got no idea what to apt-get.
[05:34] <HymnToLife> GrahamRA, flashplugin-nonfree
[05:34] <Dr_willis> !backport
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <HymnToLife> !flash
[05:34] <Dr_willis> !backports
[05:34] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[05:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Please no Flashing , this is a faimly channel. :)
[05:35] <GrahamRA> Doesn't work.
[05:35] <stdin> GrahamRA: have you enabled the backports repository?
[05:35] <jl> 64 bit system exist for quite a while now, so i hoped it would be reasonable to install the 64 bit version ...
[05:35] <Dr_willis> 'Dosent work' = vague and ueeless to tell us.. clarify
[05:35] <GrahamRA> Never heard of it, so I'll guess no.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> jl,  its always the Little things that seem to cause problems on them.
[05:36] <dognews> stdin: can I just move them to another direcotry or do I have to edit every single file?
[05:36] <jl> what else, if not the kernel or the graphics driver, can cause such a problem?
[05:36] <jl> it could be a library for image rendering or something like that
[05:36] <stdin> dognews: there are only 3 of them, and you do need to edit them
[05:37] <Dr_willis> jl,  try some different players liek vlc?
[05:37] <stdin> GrahamRA: are you on dapper or edgy?
[05:37] <Dr_willis> jl,  but that fact it affects both Images, and videos.. seems to tell me its a driver  issue,
[05:37] <GrahamRA> 6.10
[05:37] <jl> willist: i already tried that
[05:37] <GrahamRA> edgy
[05:37] <GrahamRA> I hate those names.
[05:38] <stdin> GrahamRA: just add the line "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to the bottom of your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[05:38] <Dr_willis> heh the version #'s are just the date of release....
[05:39] <jl> is there an easy way to install a more recent nvidia driver to see whether it also has the problem?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> i dont have a 64bit live cd here - or i would test it.
[05:39] <stdin> GrahamRA: then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[05:39] <HymnToLife> jl, yes, just une the installer from nvidia.com
[05:39] <Dr_willis> jl,  i recall a wiki page onec about how to install the latest.. and what issues to watch for.. but never messed with them
[05:39] <HymnToLife> use*
[05:40] <sdlnxgk> anyone know how to script????
[05:41] <stdin> depends what you want to script
[05:41] <Deez> is there something that can help me migrate my Firefox, Thunderbird settings to Konqueror, Kmail, respectively?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/bash
[05:41] <stamen> how to make the taskbar like in MacOS
[05:41] <Dr_willis> echo Hello World.
[05:41] <jl> hymn: can i easily deinstall the driver from nvidia.com without interfering with the kubuntu packages?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> there ya go. :)
[05:41] <stamen> where was the option
[05:41] <stamen> in kcontrol
[05:42] <Deez> Dr_willis, do you really need to uninstall the nvidia driver? you can also comment it out in your xorg?
[05:42] <HymnToLife> jl, dunno, I always use the drivers from nvidia.com, which have always worked flawlessly
[05:42] <Dr_willis> stamen,  you mean the ugly bouncy icon dock thang that osx has?
[05:42] <sdlnxgk> stdin I'm  studying for a linux test and they have tutorial on scripting but I get error messages... they are using red hat linux could that be why?
[05:42] <HymnToLife> so I didn't bother to tes the uninstaller :p
[05:42] <Deez> Dr_willis, with of course renaming it to something compatible like nv :)
[05:42] <stamen> Dr_willis: yes I want to try it
[05:42] <stdin> sdlnxgk: depends what the error is
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Deez,  commenting it out dosent really uninstall it.. :)   but not sure - if installing the ones from the nvidia script.. should overwite them.. may be safest to apt-get remove the old.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> stamen,  kde-look.org has some details on them. then check the package manager see if some exist there to be easy to install.. i find them all ugly and useless.
[05:43] <ninn> What package to install for the Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) headers?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> !kxdocker
[05:43] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[05:43] <Deez> Dr_willis, not sure what the problem is *but* I think addressed the wrong person :P
[05:43] <Deez> Dr_willis, sorry :)
[05:43] <sdlnxgk> stdin it's not putting data where it needs to be
[05:43] <ninn> i cant find it it at my own .. tried every qt-dev i could find.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Deez,  heh heh.   :)
[05:43] <stamen> Dr_willis: ok, 10x
[05:43] <Dr_willis> 'innovative' :)
[05:43] <sdlnxgk> stdin where is a good place to post at?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> an innovative clone?
[05:44] <HymnToLife> stamen, http://asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html
[05:44] <stdin> !pastebin | sdlnxgk
[05:44] <ubotu> sdlnxgk: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:44] <stdin> there
[05:44] <sdlnxgk> stdin  thanks :)
[05:44] <GrahamRA> Sorted.
[05:44] <Deez> HymnToLife, I used the Nvidia driver to amp up the bling with Beryl. I fell back to nv because nv supports 1400x1050 better than Nvidia does.
[05:45] <dognews> stdin: strange :( subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:45] <stdin> ninn: tried libqt4-dev ?
[05:45] <stamen> HymnToLife: I will see it
[05:45] <stamen> 10x
[05:45] <ninn> Thats already installed, stdin.
[05:45] <ninn> :-/
[05:46] <stdin> dognews: on what pachage, lg3d-core?
[05:47] <dognews> stdin: still /var/cache/apt/archives/lg3d-core_1.0.0_i386.deb
[05:48] <dognews> stdin: maybe it's because I don't have this script?
[05:49] <ninn> i dont get it ... :-?
[05:50] <stdin> dognews: try 'echo \#\!/bin/bash | sudo tee /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst && chmod +x /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst'
[05:50] <jl> i found a way to install latest driver using packages: http://albertomilone.com/newlegacyrepo.html
[05:50] <stdin> dognews: then sudo apt-get install lg3d-core
[05:52] <sticazzi> hello, how do I change desktop resolution?
[05:52] <ninn> via configuration-dialogs or via commandline?
[05:52] <sticazzi> configuration-dialogs if possible
[05:53] <ninn> push the  k-menu-button, and select "system-settings"
[05:53] <dognews> stdin: #!/bin/bash chmod: changing permissions of `/var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst': Operation not permitted
[05:53] <ninn> go to "monitos and screens"
[05:53] <stamen81> ee
[05:53] <ninn> then push the button on the bottom to enter admin-mode.
[05:54] <stdin> dognews: add sudo before chmod
[05:54] <ninn> (ok, thats quite complicated)
 sudo chmod 777 /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst
[05:55] <ninn> found it?
[05:55] <dognews> stdin: done - but still the same error on apt-get install
[05:55] <sticazzi> nope, not sure it's there
[05:55] <The_Machine> someone has to help me figure out why the HECK evolution starts every time i boot into X using KDE.  I don't have it in ~/.kde/Autostart and it isn't running when I shut down.  Anyone have any idea why it's doing this?!
[05:55] <The_Machine> :)
[05:55] <ninn> what dialog do you see now sticazzi
[05:55] <ninn> ?
[05:55] <stdin> dognews: dose /var/lib/dpkg/info/lg3d-core.preinst still exist ?
[05:55] <sticazzi> give me an extra bit
[05:56] <dognews> Sea_Master: why do I need to write to that file?
[05:56] <dognews> stdin: yes
[05:56] <stdin> dognews: what size is it?
[05:57] <dognews> stdin: 12 bytes
[05:57] <sdlnxgk> stdin check this when you get time... added some comments... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/557/
[05:58] <stdin> dognews: then it can't be that file that's causing the error
[05:58] <dognews> stdin: strange... what then?
[05:58] <stdin> dognews: did you comment out all the other lg3d*.preinst files?
[05:58] <dognews> yes
[05:59] <dognews> stdin: tow others
[05:59] <stdin> dognews: I don't know why it's not working then, you can try using the Megabundle package
[06:00] <dognews> stdin: what's the difference?
[06:01] <stdin> dognews: the megabundle one should work, it's just one big script basically
[06:02] <stdin> sdlnxgk: what's the error you get when you run it?
[06:03] <sdlnxgk> stdin sdlnxgk is using du -s | cut -f 1 kilobytes
[06:03] <sdlnxgk> that is what it says
[06:03] <sdlnxgk> where the du -s | cut -f 1 is should be kilobytes
[06:03] <sdlnxgk> very odd
[06:03] <dognews> stdin: ok, I'll try it tomorrow - thanks for your help :)
[06:03] <sdlnxgk> if I change the  code around I get  output but  can't get it where I want it at
[06:04] <sdlnxgk> :q
[06:04] <sdlnxgk> opps  wrong  screen:D
[06:04] <stdin> sdlnxgk: ahh I see, I'll change the post on pastebin to show you
[06:04] <sdlnxgk> k
[06:05] <sdlnxgk> couldn't find SPACE anywhere in scripting commands
[06:05] <dognews> bye
[06:06] <w00t_sauce> I need a program to sync my palm with my computer.  I can't seem to get Palm Desktop to work on wine.  Suggestions?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> kpilot ?
[06:06] <w00t_sauce> thank you
[06:07] <stdin> sdlnxgk: look at http://pastebin.com/851990
[06:07] <stdin> sdlnxgk: i just changed "SPACE='du -s | cut -f 1'" to "SPACE='`du -s | cut -f 1`'" to execute the command
[06:08] <sdlnxgk> stdin  thanks... I wouldn't think that scripting in RHL and Kubutu  would be differnt
[06:09] <stdin> sdlnxgk: it isn't, that script would have failed on RHL too
[06:10] <stdin> the ` charactor mean to execute the command inside the 2 `` , without it you just set the variable SPACE to the name of the command, not the result of it
[06:10] <sdlnxgk> hmmm because I copied it from video on RHL test and  it worked for him... maybe i'm using the wrong kind of '
[06:10] <BTR> Do i need to download any packages to hear .mp3 files? Kaffeine and amorak wont play them:(
[06:10] <Dr_willis> shuldent there be some other construction used these days instead of the ` whatever ` ones?
[06:10] <stdin> sdlnxgk: probably, in bash ' and ` are very different
[06:11] <Dr_willis> BTR,  check the KUBUNTU Faq. it tells exactly what needs to be installed
[06:11] <sdlnxgk> stdin I know where ' is but where is the other?
[06:11] <stdin> Dr_willis: $(command) will work too
[06:11] <sdlnxgk> ahhhh next to the 1
[06:11] <BTR> thanks Dr_willis
[06:11] <sdlnxgk> hehehehhe
[06:11] <Dr_willis> stdin,  yea. :) im try ing to break out of the ` ` habbit also.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  heh heh :)
[06:11] <Dr_willis> backtick = ` ` ` ` `
[06:12] <stdin> sdlnxgk: depends on your keyboard, mine is before the '1' key
[06:12] <sdlnxgk> Dr.Willis never used that key before.... ;)
[06:12] <stdin> I never used the | key before linux :p
[06:12] <sahin_w> BTR: I think you have to install amarok-xine package
[06:13] <marcelo__> Hi all, there is any program that converts video files to DVD, for KDE?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> so its a very clean key. :)
[06:13] <sdlnxgk> stdin I used  the | in dos for reading | more in a directory
[06:13] <BTR> How come the faq is empty?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> it is? hmm..
[06:13] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis a very clean key other then using ~ for some games ;)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php
[06:13] <stdin> sdlnxgk: I started using linux around the win95 days, so I didn't get much time in DOS
[06:13] <sahin_w> BTR: I checked... you have to install libxine-extracodecs for mp3 support in amarok
[06:13] <Dr_willis> its there for me.
[06:13] <BTR> forget about it, i just had a acrazy lag it seems:(
[06:14] <Dr_willis> lol
[06:14] <_necron_> hm. i installed edgy and i am not sure if my 3d works correctly. if i do "glxinfo | grep direct rendering" it says "direct rendering: yes" ... but if i activate an opengl-screensaver its slow like hell ... my xorg.conf uses driver "ati". i have a radeon 9600
[06:14] <BTR> sahin_w: thanks!
[06:14] <stdin> BTR: to get amarok to play mp3s install libxine-extracodecs
[06:14] <Dr_willis> hmm.. they havent updated it for edgy yet.!
[06:15] <BluesKaj> _necron_, have you tried the "fgl_glxgears" test ?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> ok they got special sectons for the older.. i miss-read. :)
[06:15] <sdlnxgk> stdin you rock dude !!!!  I just changed ' to ` and it worked great !!!!
[06:15] <_necron_> BluesKaj: no. one moment :)
[06:15] <stdin> sdlnxgk: bash scripting is easy, once you know how :p
[06:15] <_necron_> BluesKaj: i cant start "fgl_glxgears"
[06:16] <_necron_> do i have to install that from ubuntu-repository?
[06:16] <stdin> _necron_: try glxgears
[06:16] <sahin_w> BTR: np
[06:16] <_necron_> ah. there are some things moving :) its not slow
[06:17] <_necron_> the console says:
[06:17] <_necron_> glxgears
[06:17] <_necron_> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[06:17] <BluesKaj> ok necron, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[06:17] <sdlnxgk> stdin just starting so have a long way to go :)
[06:17] <_necron_> BluesKaj: thanks :)
[06:17] <marcelo__> Hi all, there is any program that converts video files to DVD, for KDE?
[06:17] <_necron_> but if i get a new kernel, i will have to do that again, right?
[06:18] <alex__> could anyone give me a hand with converting a .bin to mpeg?
[06:18] <tony_> hello...i am new at kubuntu and linux also...I am trying to install a new icon set i downloaded from kde-look.org...i downloaded the crystal clear set of icons...it opened up with ark...how do I get them all installed?
[06:18] <stdin> sdlnxgk: this is a good resource: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[06:18] <tony_> any help would be appreciated
[06:19] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I think we have a test subject...
[06:20] <Jucato> tony_: http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html#icons
[06:21] <stdin> tony_: Kmenu -> System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons and click on the "Install New Theme..." button, then click the folder icon (above cancel) and locate the file you downloaded, click OK, then OK again and you're done
[06:22] <tony_> thanks guys...i'll try that
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  heh heh.. :)
[06:23] <Jucato> tony_: no need to open the icon them in ark or extract it
[06:25] <dbase13> how can i change the password of the nickname i registered?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> - /msg nickserv help
[06:26] <tony_> thanks guys..it worked
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  guess your work passed. :)
[06:26] <BTR> Hmm how come my laptop-speakers doesnt work?
[06:27] <Jucato> presuming he read my guide and not stdin's instructins ;)
 /msg nickserv set password <password>
[06:27] <jpiccolo> my new mounted hard drive does not have the right permisions
[06:29] <jpiccolo> look right -> /dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1     ext3    auto,user,exec,sync,rw   0       1
[06:29] <BTR> Someone please help me, my sound card : intel 82801DB-ICH4 doesnt work in linux:(
[06:42] <sebokie_> hello
[06:42] <sebokie_> i have a problem with samba share
[06:43] <sebokie_> i have added //192.168.0.1/E   /windows/winshare smbfs defaults,auto,users  0       0
[06:43] <sebokie_> to fstab
[06:43] <sebokie_> but when i start my session there is nothing in the winshare disk
[06:45] <rgil> buenas tardes
[06:45] <VSpike> sebokie can you make it work with the mount command from the command line?
[06:45] <sebokie_> yes
[06:45] <rgil> alguien me podria colaborar con la configuracion del sonido
[06:45] <iz4efn> sebokie_: I also had matters with that
[06:45] <amir__> How do I get my surround 5.1 to work?
[06:46] <iz4efn> the only way to have it working was adding that through webmmin
[06:46] <VSpike> sebokie_: it's a long time since I did it, but I seem to remember the syntax is subtly different in some way which is not obvious
[06:46] <iz4efn> sebokie_: I can give you my fstab hold on
[06:46] <rgil> alguien habla spanish
[06:46] <sebokie_> ok thx
[06:46] <VSpike> !es | rgil
[06:46] <ubotu> rgil: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:47] <jpatrick> rgil: a #kubuntu-es
[06:47] <sebokie_> what is webmmin?
[06:47] <rgil> necesito configurar el sonido 82801CA
[06:48] <iz4efn> /192.168.1.254/maxtor  /media/maxtor  smbfs  password=PASS,uid=1000,username=USER  0  0
[06:48] <sebokie_> thx
[06:48] <jpatrick> rgil: solo se puede hablar ingles por aqui, #kubuntu-es es para hispanohablantes
[06:48] <iz4efn> sorry: //192.....
[06:48] <sebokie_> i don't have any user or pass on my xp pc
[06:49] <sebokie_> i should put the same as you?
[06:50] <iz4efn> whith no password and username
[06:50] <iz4efn> i think it shoud work
[06:50] <iz4efn> but listen: have you tried manually?
[06:50] <iz4efn> I mean...besides fstab, have you tried mounting it from the shell to see if everythink is ok?
[06:50] <sebokie_> yes manually it works
[06:50] <iz4efn> ok, so forget the athentication stuff
[06:51] <iz4efn> and adapt that script :)
[06:51] <sebokie_> smbmount //192.168.0.1/E /windows/winshare works
[06:51] <sebokie_> i'm on wifi
[06:51] <sebokie_> i fear the system loads the smb before the wifi
[06:51] <sebokie_> could it be the problem?
[06:52] <shahed> it wont, it'll first uptain IP address then
[06:52] <shahed> in your /etc/rc5.d dir you can see the order it does things
[06:52] <sebokie_> ok
[06:53] <sebokie_> what's the uid?
[06:54] <shahed> where do you read it?
[06:54] <sebokie_> in man mount.smbfs
[06:54] <shahed> user id
[06:55] <sebokie_> but what is it? the name of the user of kubuntu?
[06:55] <shahed> your WINDOWS network user ID
[06:55] <shahed> no no
[06:55] <sebokie_> i don't have any win userid
[06:55] <shahed> the user you connect to the windows with
[06:55] <shahed> you're trying to mount to an XP machine?
[06:55] <sebokie_> yes
[06:55] <shahed> you don't have a user id to log in to your XP machine?
[06:56] <sebokie_> no
[06:56] <shahed> then leave it blank
[06:56] <shahed> or don't give it that option
[06:56] <sebokie_> what shall i pu in option then?
[06:56] <sebokie_> cause defaults does not work
[06:57] <shahed> fmask and dmask both as 777
[06:57] <sebokie_> ok
[06:57] <shahed> but
[06:57] <shahed> do you see the machine with smb?
[06:57] <sebokie_> yes
[06:58] <shahed> when you do a smbclient -L ipaddress do you see anything?
[06:58] <sebokie_> when i type smbmount //192.168.0.1/E /windows/winshare it works
[06:59] <sebokie_> yes i see all the info of my xp box
[06:59] <digijosh> hey whats up
[07:00] <shahed> so what doesn't work?
[07:00] <sebokie_> what does not work is, when i startup my computer, the folder /windows/winshare is empty
[07:01] <digijosh> is anyone else's mouse/kb (usb) turning off sporadically? I have to just unplug/replug and it comes back.
[07:01] <digijosh> i'm running on kde dapper drake.
[07:01] <shahed> you have a line for it in your /etc/fstab?
[07:01] <sebokie_> yes
[07:01] <sebokie_> /192.168.0.1/E   /windows/winshare smbfs defaults  0       0
[07:01] <sebokie_> with 2 //
[07:02] <shahed> and the icons for them don't even apear on your desktop?
[07:03] <sebokie_> yes they appear
[07:03] <sebokie_> but there's nothing in
[07:03] <mitch> hey, i'm truing out kubuntu for the first time and i'm trying to get my wireless to work...i had it working under ubuntu..but i get the following message in terminal...sudo: ./ndiswrapper_setup: command not found, when issuing the command...sudo ./ndiswrapper_setup....any idea why?
[07:03] <HymnToLife> !ndiswrapper | mitch
[07:03] <ubotu> mitch: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:03] <rene_> hm. if i start winecfg and click on audio wine crashes ... any idea?
[07:04] <nixternal> will someone ask a question i can answer :)
[07:04] <sivaji_2009> if all the softwares become free and open source how angineers can earn enough money
[07:04] <Jucato> nixternal: what is your name?
[07:04] <mitch> why did that command work in ubuntu terminal...but won't in kubuntu terminal?
[07:04] <nixternal> Jucato: come on, i have no clue :)
[07:04] <nixternal> mitch: are you in the correct directory?
[07:05] <nixternal> mitch: and if so, is the file executable?
[07:05] <mitch> yeah...it's on my desktop
[07:05] <mitch> it was in ubuntu
[07:05] <nixternal> chmod +x ndiswrapper_setup
[07:05] <Jucato> mitch: then you should be in you ~/Desktop folder
[07:05] <mitch> i am
[07:06] <mitch> nixternal: that worked thanks...what was the problem exactly?
[07:06] <Jucato> the file wasn't executable
[07:07] <mitch> is that something that happens under kubuntu...i don't remember having to do anything uner ubuntu
[07:07] <sebokie_> so what's not correct?
[07:08] <nixternal> mitch: i don't think is should have changed, but the switching of desktops could have mucked up something
[07:08] <digijosh> nixternal: i have a q :)
[07:08] <nixternal> uh oh
[07:08] <nixternal> ;)
[07:09] <digijosh> any idea why mouse/kb (usb) turns off sporadically
[07:09] <digijosh> not wireless.
[07:09] <digijosh> and the fix is just unplug/replug and everything is peachy again.
[07:09] <mitch> nixternal: ok thanks!
[07:09] <nixternal> wow, no idea as to why that would happen digijosh. have you checked dmesg for any errors at all?
[07:10] <digijosh> yeah i've checked and nothing
[07:10] <digijosh> google searches only come up with wireless errors...
[07:10] <chuen> Hi. Can someone give me (point me to) the skinny on 'wiping out' windows xp from my HD and installing Kubuntu from the Live CD?
[07:10] <nixternal> that is an odd one
[07:10] <digijosh> it is, it's my box here at work...it's a dell =\
[07:10] <sivaji_2009>  why linux professional cant modify the os to support .exe file ?
[07:10] <nixternal> chuen: just stick the disc in, reboot, and let kubuntu wipe it for you :)
[07:10] <nixternal> sivaji_2009: wine supports some .exe files
[07:11] <chuen> Ok. What 'option' does it give?
[07:11] <chuen> (IOW, how will I recognize it)
[07:11] <digijosh> chuen: it brings up the live cd which gives you the option to install
[07:11] <Dr_willis>  linux professional ?
[07:11] <sivaji_2009> why some exe why not all exe file
[07:11] <digijosh> chuen: it's all a GUI so it's safe. a monkey can't break it :)
[07:11] <digijosh> chuen: you'll be fine.
[07:11] <chuen> I'm a Monkey :)
[07:11] <digijosh> chuen: then you won't break it
[07:11] <Dr_willis> sivaji_2009,  library calls and other extra features.
[07:12] <chuen> (Chuen actually means monkey in the Mayan language!)
[07:12] <ubuntu_> how do you install flash in kubuntu (konqueror) ?
[07:12] <Dr_willis> !flash
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <digijosh> hehe
[07:12] <chuen> Hope it's not a bad omen :)
[07:12] <Dr_willis> !flash9
[07:12] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[07:12] <digijosh> chuen: nah make sure you log back in here to tell us how it went.
[07:12] <ubuntu_> ok thx
[07:12] <sivaji_2009> do u think linux is more intractive than mswindows?
[07:13] <chuen> OK. I've backed up most of my file to external HD - should be eable to do it over or after the weekend.
[07:13] <digijosh> nah...my kde is set up to look better than windoze
[07:13] <Dr_willis> Interactive?  what do you mean by that.
[07:13] <digijosh> err nvm
[07:13] <sivaji_2009> easy handling
[07:13] <sebokie_> can someone help me with that smbfs problem?
[07:13] <Dr_willis> You interact with the computer.. :)  I guess i interact more with my pc then i do my vcr...
[07:14] <Dr_willis> does that make my vcr better?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> no. its more specilized.
[07:14] <chuen> ok thanks for the tips . be back later.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> Linux is a very flexiable os. and has lots of features and things that most people will never ever need to mess with.
[07:14] <sivaji_2009> why it is still under the dark
[07:15] <sivaji_2009> all the web games and software are exe based
[07:15] <digijosh> ?
[07:15] <digijosh> you mean why isn't linux as trendy as a pc or a mac?
[07:15] <Dr_willis> sivaji_2009,  that statement has just proven that you really need to go do some more reading.. and learn some basics
[07:16] <Dr_willis> 'exe based' means nothing
[07:16] <Dr_willis> or you are being a very bad troll.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> and i got to go to work..
[07:16] <digijosh> lol
[07:16] <Dr_willis> web games are often FLASH or Java based....  those do work fine in most cases under linux.
[07:16] <sivaji_2009> yes i need to learn basic of linux give any link
[07:16] <Dr_willis> google.com  = search for linux fundamentals
[07:17] <Dr_willis> come back in 4 days :) download some live cd's to test out after you read...  I got to go to work. byeeeeeeee
[07:17] <digijosh> en.wikipedia.org
[07:17] <digijosh> www.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <sivaji_2009> free and open source means engg will not be given any money for his work is it so ?
[07:19] <digijosh> well there are always sponsors/investors interested in funding a good project for a good cause
[07:19] <digijosh> but the end-user isn't being charged, no.
[07:19] <sivaji_2009> i got kubuntu 6.06 without any loss of data can i shift to kubuntu 6.10
[07:19] <digijosh> plus you can expand upon it or improve upon the coding
[07:19] <digijosh> yeah you can
[07:19] <digijosh> run update mgr
[07:19] <digijosh> or sudo apt-get update
[07:19] <nixternal> sivaji_2009: that is not true. granted a lot of open source people work for free, there are a lot of good paying open source jobs out thre
[07:19] <Jucato> getting a bit -offtopic guys. please continue it in #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:20] <sebokie_> i have a problem with my fstab can someone please help me?
[07:21] <Jucato> ask your question. if somebody can help, they will
[07:22] <biff2> konqueror seems to have half-forgotten how to do dns resolution.
[07:22] <sebokie_> my smb share is empty on startup, although everything is fine with konsole
[07:22] <sivaji_2009> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ apt-get update
[07:22] <sivaji_2009> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:23] <biff2> sivaj: put a 'sudo' in front of that
[07:23] <biff2> sivaji_2009: you need to be root to do that, so either do "sudo apt-get update", or "sudo su -", then run your apt-get commands
[07:24] <sivaji_2009> ok
[07:25] <biff2> does anyone else have a konqueror which decided to not be able to do name lookups?  maybe it is a KDE thing?
[07:25] <sivaji_2009> how to install a package that has  .bin  file
[07:25] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: is that package made for Linux?
[07:25] <sivaji_2009> yes
[07:26] <sivaji_2009> actually it is web sphere studio app devloper
[07:26] <digijosh> apt-get usually installs everything for you
[07:26] <digijosh> if it's a .deb file then sudo dpkg -i nameofthefile.deb installs it as well
[07:27] <sivaji_2009> but it is not there in adept pacage list
[07:27] <biff2> did you download the .bin file from someone you trust?  you might be able to simply execute it.
[07:27] <digijosh> have you enabled all repositories?
[07:28] <Jucato> what's the name of the app?
[07:28] <sivaji_2009> yes there are totally 18500 app are there except what i need
[07:29] <chuen> digijosh (or anyoe) I have a question about installing from live cd
[07:29] <sivaji_2009> web sphere app dev
[07:29] <Jucato> maybe there's a Linux equivalent for the app
[07:29] <digijosh> whats up chuen
[07:29] <chuen> If I select the 'start or install' option, I only end up with kubuntu running from the cd.
[07:30] <chuen> How do I select an option t o install on my HD?
[07:30] <digijosh> chuen: thats the 'live' version..there should be an icon on the desktop that says install
[07:30] <chuen> doh!
[07:30] <digijosh> you just dbl click that icon and the wizard runs up and asks you to select options
[07:30] <Jucato> single click
[07:30] <chuen> let me have a look.
[07:30] <digijosh> single click :) yes
[07:31] <chuen> Oh yes, - there it is, larger than life :)
[07:31] <digijosh> if you want to keep windows...when gparted runs, don't erase entire disc
[07:31] <chuen> I've had it with Windows :)
[07:31] <digijosh> kk
[07:31] <chuen> So one option is 'erase entire disk'?
[07:32] <digijosh> yes...that will format your entire drive and install ubuntu on it
[07:32] <chuen> kk, thx.
[07:32] <dbase13> what do you guys think of Beryl? has anyone installed it?
[07:32] <biff2> what is beryl?
[07:33] <chuen> thanks again digijosh.
[07:33] <chuen> ttyl
[07:33] <digijosh> cya
[07:33] <sivaji_2009> is there any ide equivalent to ms visual studio
[07:33] <TheGateKeeper> chuen, the sensible option is to dual boot for a while, & when you are happy & comfortable with linux, then remove windows
[07:33] <dbase13> go to youtube.com and there search for beryl + ubuntu
[07:33] <dbase13> you'll see
[07:34] <chuen> Hi Gatekeeper. How do I go about removing Windows after selecting dualboot option?
[07:35] <digijosh> run gparted. erase that partition, and either set up a new partition or merge it with your existing
[07:35] <chuen> thx.
[07:35] <digijosh> welcome
[07:36] <dbase13> has anyone tried BERYL?
[07:36] <mortici> dbase13, i use it all the time
[07:36] <mortici> :)
[07:36] <chuen> Excuse my ignorance, but what;s the basic difference between 'erase' & 'merge'?
[07:36] <dbase13> erase = delete
[07:37] <dbase13> merge = put together with other partition
[07:37] <chuen> so when you merge you have more space accessible for you linux distro and files ?
[07:39] <digijosh> chuen: yes.
[07:39] <digijosh> you can always just create a new partition with the newly free'd space from windows and just use that partition for media files and stuff
[07:40] <sivaji_2009> how many percentage of people are using linux system ?
[07:40] <chuen> Great. Just a quick last one before <i try this. With dual boot, do I still have CD-Rom in drive and have BIOs set to reda that first?
[07:43] <digijosh> with your ubuntu install you also get GRUB...which allows you to choose what OS you want to boot at startup
[07:44] <dbase13> @ mortici: is beryl heavy?
[07:44] <dbase13> i mean, do you need recent hardware for it?
[07:44] <dbase13> and how did you install it?
[07:45] <dbase13> and is it stable?
[07:45] <tsdgeos> sivaji_2009: does that matter?
[07:46] <sivaji_2009> sivaji_2009: does that matter? i cant understand
[07:46] <chuen> thx (digijosh)
[07:46] <digijosh> welcome
[07:46] <tsdgeos> sivaji_2009: does the percentage of people using linux matter?
[07:47] <mortici> dbase13, not really, i have a laptop with a 1gz proc that runs in 600mhz most of the time, 64mb intel vid card, and luckly for me it came with 1gb of ram but could run it just fine with 512mb if not maybe less
[07:47] <mortici> as long as your vid card supports DRI
[07:47] <mortici> your fine :)
[07:47] <sivaji_2009> tell me how many percentage of people using linux system
[07:47] <sivaji_2009> tsdgeos
[07:47] <mortici> dbase13, i mean better hardware is always helpful, in speeding things up. but its not a monster of a ui :)
[07:47] <velle> is it possible to install Kubuntu without a graphical system? The comp will be used as a server, and accessed only via ssh
[07:48] <dbase13> hmmm
[07:48] <dbase13> can you tell me how you did it?
[07:48] <dbase13> cuz i found a tutorial
[07:48] <hatta> mortici, is beryl lighter than compiz then?
[07:48] <dbase13> but its kinda long
[07:48] <dbase13> :-)
[07:48] <mortici> dbase13, which vid card you using?
[07:48] <hatta> cause I had an athlon1800+ with a geforce4mx440 and compiz ran like ass on it
[07:49] <tsdgeos> sivaji_2009: does it matter? (and if you don't understand the sentence meaning use a dictionary instead of keeping asking the same)
[07:49] <mortici> hatta, never used compiz, as i have to use AIGLX to get the visuals to work
[07:49] <mortici> which is fine with me
[07:49] <sivaji_2009> yes
[07:49] <tsdgeos> sivaji_2009: why?
[07:50] <dbase13> is there something in Kubuntu like in mac osx where i can see my system specs?
[07:50] <mortici> hatta, i would think with the new nvidia drivers and beryl, you might be pleasently supprised
[07:50] <dbase13> got it
[07:50] <slarty> mortici: I second that, just installed beryl here (also using AIGLX) and it runs very nicely
[07:50] <sivaji_2009> all my friends are using ms_windows based system they dont consider linux as a os
[07:51] <hatta> the new nvidia drivers dont' seem to support the geforce4mx440
[07:51] <dbase13> Radeon Mobility 7500 32 Mb
[07:51] <mortici> hatta, ahh i see
[07:52] <mortici> dbase13, first thing first you need to install the open source ati drivers
[07:52] <hatta> it's not a great card for 3d
[07:52] <mortici> then i think you can only run xgl/beryl
[07:52] <hatta> great for zsnes on tv-out though :)
[07:52] <mortici> hatta, :)
[07:52] <esaym> isnt there a way to run e2fsck on a mounted FS?
[07:52] <dbase13> will my ati mobility 7500 32Mb do?
[07:52] <esaym> like e2fsck -n or something?
[07:52] <mortici> dbase13, then config your xorg.conf file, and finally do aptitude install beryl
[07:53] <mortici> dbase13, quite possibly yes, as long as it supports dri your fine :)
[07:53] <dbase13> it does :-)
[07:53] <mortici> good
[07:53] <dbase13> you know a good and simple tutorial
[07:53] <dbase13> ?
[07:53] <mortici> well then install the open source ati drivers
[07:54] <digijosh> brb
[07:54] <dbase13> fuck
[07:54] <mortici> dbase13, not really, the hardest part really is getting the drivers and xorg.conf
[07:54] <mortici> setup
[07:54] <dbase13> ok
[07:54] <dbase13> i'll fix it tonight
[07:54] <mortici> after that all it takes is for you to type: aptitude install beryl
[07:54] <dbase13> now i'm gonna grab a bite, and then party a lil :-)
[07:54] <mortici> in a shell
[07:54] <dbase13> okay
[07:54] <mortici> dbase13, :D
[07:54] <dbase13> thanks
[07:54] <dbase13> bye all
[07:54] <dbase13> have a nice weekend
[07:54] <mortici> bye :)
[07:55] <mortici> you too
[07:55] <mortici> is there anyway to rename devices, such as flash drives when you plug them in so it doesn't just say usbdisk?
[07:56] <nidal> hi all , sorrry to ask this question as its specific to XEN , but please suggest me something if anycan do that.  I have installed and configured xen 3.03 on kubuntu edgy. Now I am trying to install centos as a guest domain. everything is fine except when it prompted for the second CD, I inserted the cd. but it says "unable to access the cdrom"
[07:56] <nidal> i tried to mount and umount the cdrom , but its the same
[07:59] <mortici> nidal, did  you unmount before swapping discs?
[07:59] <nidal> no
[08:00] <blackflag> when somone want to give me support and need access to my machine what ssh- szenario is the best?
[08:00] <mortici> nidal, your installing Xen of a CD?
[08:01] <antonio_> ./flashpayer-installer
[08:01] <blackflag> ssh!
[08:01] <nidal> mortici, I installed and configured xen , there is no issue with that. but then I tried to install centos on top of xen as a guest domain at that time it started the installation with first centos cd. but when it prompted for the second centos cd its not accepting the cd
[08:02] <blackflag> !ssh
[08:02] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[08:02] <antonio_> asancrol@hotmail.com
[08:03] <mortici> nidal, ahhh ok so your trying to install centos
[08:03] <nidal> mortici, exactly
[08:05] <mortici> nidal, if you put any other cd, can you still view it even though it says it can't access the cdrom in the install app
[08:05] <nidal> mortici, yes I can see it through konqueror and all
[08:05] <animimotus> hi
[08:05] <nidal> mortici, i know it some issue with the xen config ,but cant figure out exactly
[08:06] <linuxserver> hello, does somebody use trickle, a bandwith shaper? -d rate doesnt work, maybe because of that message "trickle: Could not reach trickled, working independently: No such file or directory"?
[08:06] <animimotus> kalternatives is not in any official deposit ?
[08:06] <mortici> nidal, if it read the first disk through xen then it should have no problem with the second
[08:08] <blackflag> how can I create a second root user- account?
[08:09] <mortici> nidal, here try this in xen to swap cd's
[08:09] <ryantmer> How do you run the Opera web browser once it's installed?
[08:10] <mortici> go into qemu
[08:10] <mortici> by pressing ctrl+alt+2
[08:10] <mortici> then type: eject cdrom
[08:10] <ryantmer> Same question regarding Thunderbird, actually.
[08:11] <ryantmer> I've installed both, but I don't know how to run them...
[08:11] <mortici> change cdrom /dev/cdrom
[08:12] <mortici> after the eject cdrom switch the cd's
[08:13] <mortici> then type change cdrom /dev/cdrom
[08:13] <mortici> then hit ctrl+alt+1
[08:15] <nidal> mortici, what do you mean by swap in xen ?
[08:15] <BluesKaj> ryantmer, are they listed in the k-menu under internet ?
[08:15] <nidal> i didnt understand it correctly
[08:15] <mortici> nidal, your using xen to insall centos
[08:15] <mortici> right?
[08:16] <nidal> yes
[08:16] <mortici> ok well try this
[08:16] <nidal> ok, please tell
[08:16] <mortici> press ctrl+alt+2
[08:16] <mortici> that will get you to qemu
[08:16] <mortici> then type eject cdrom
[08:17] <mortici> if not try: eject /dev/cdrom
[08:17] <mortici> swap the discs
[08:17] <mortici> then type: change cdrom /dev/cdrom
[08:17] <mortici> that "should" work
[08:17] <mortici> if it doesn't i have no idea
[08:17] <ryantmer> BluesKaj: No, but I just made a shortcut to it on the Desktop.
[08:17] <ryantmer> (I think I figured it out...)
[08:17] <mortici> oh after you type the last line hit ctrl+alt+1
[08:17] <mortici> to go back to the install
[08:18] <indusparts> oi
[08:18] <nidal> mortici, its not working , but it says the following
[08:18] <mortici> how about eject hdc
[08:19] <nidal> HVM device model, type q to exit HVMXen device is not removable type 'q' to quit
[08:19] <BluesKaj> ryantmer, if you're still in the term or in pkg manager it prolly won't show upin the k-menu 'til you exit
[08:19] <mortici> nidal, type infoblock
[08:19] <mortici> and give me the output
[08:20] <ryantmer> BluesKaj: All I have open is Kopete and Konversation..
[08:20] <nidal> oh mortici, hda : type=hd removable=0 file=/usr/local/centos44-iso.ext3 ro=0 drv=raw
[08:20] <BluesKaj> hmm...how did you install Opera & T-Bird ?
[08:21] <nidal> hdc: type=cdrom removable=1 locked=0 [not inserted] 
[08:21] <nidal> fda: type= floppy removable=1 locked=0 [not inserted] 
[08:21] <mortici> so your img file is mounted to the hdd
[08:22] <nidal> mortici , pleaze tell me how to proceed ? :-)
[08:22] <nidal> i have no clue
[08:22] <mortici> nidal, lol thats the thing im learning about this as i go
[08:22] <nidal> lol
[08:22] <mortici> it seems that the centos iso file is mounted on the hda
[08:23] <nidal> you want to see the line in config file ?
[08:23] <ryantmer> BluesKaj: I did Opera through the Adept Package Manager, and I did Thunderbird with this: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Install_script_Thunderbird_1.5
[08:23] <nidal> disk = ['file:/usr/local/centos44-iso.ext3,ioemu:hda,w','file:/usr/local/centos44-iso.iso,hdc:cdrom,r'] 
[08:23] <nidal> mortici , is there anything wrong with that ?
[08:23] <mortici> nidal, lemme see
[08:24] <nidal> thanx indeed mortici, i will wait
[08:24] <mortici> nidal, ok try this, do you have the 2nd cd iso img?
[08:24] <nidal> no, but I can create it
[08:25] <mortici> nidal but you do have an iso of the first disk right?
[08:26] <nidal> yes I do have
[08:26] <mortici> ok make the iso for the second this, and once you have it
[08:26] <mortici> type
[08:27] <mortici> change cdrom d:/tmp/yourcdrom.iso
[08:27] <nidal> i am making it now
[08:27] <mortici> or whatever the path is to the iso img
[08:27] <nidal> from where ? normal konsole ? or the qemu window ?
[08:27] <mortici> qemu window
[08:28] <ironfroggy> how does OOo decide where my printer is?
[08:28] <ironfroggy> i cant seem to find anything about configuring it to use my cups server.
[08:28] <mortici> then if everything goes ok, hit ctrl+alt+1 and try and continue with the install
[08:28] <nidal> mortici, I am waiting for the image to be created, but please tell me what did I do wrong to happen this ? rather than a  smooth centos install with cds inserted one by one?
[08:29] <ironfroggy> is there a standard place locally that holds configuration for cups clients?
[08:30] <ironfroggy> does OOo even use cups?
[08:30] <mortici> nidal, im not sure, but as far as i know xen requires iso images of the OS's you want to install, it appears that your config pointed to a iso img for installation, which is fine, but when the app looked for the second disk the iso img didn't exist
[08:32] <mortici> oh nidal have you tried, change hdc /dev/cdrom
[08:32] <mortici> then continue with the install directly from the cd
[08:32] <nidal> mortici , from where ? qemu window ?
[08:33] <mortici> qemu yes
[08:33] <nidal> mortici, I have executed the following command in qemu and it gave a succes prompt
[08:33] <nidal> change hdc /dev/cdrom
[08:34] <ggintas> heloo
[08:34] <mortici> ok
[08:34] <mortici> hit ctrl+alt+1
[08:34] <mortici> and try to continue the install
[08:34] <nidal> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mortici, you are incredible !!!!
[08:34] <nidal> itw taken
[08:35] <nidal> how it will prompt for the third cd also , so what shall I do then ?
[08:35] <mortici> same thing
[08:35] <mortici> ctrl+alt+2
[08:35] <mortici> eject cdrom
[08:35] <mortici> change the disk
[08:36] <mortici> change hdc /dev/cdrom
[08:36] <mortici> ctrl+alt+1
[08:36] <mortici> or you might have to do eject hdc
[08:36] <nidal> ok , let me see
[08:36] <mortici> im not sure
[08:37] <cloakable> How much ram would i need for a basic kde install (kde-core)
[08:38] <mortici> 256
[08:38] <mortici> i think
[08:38] <mortici> if not less
[08:38] <cloakable> Ahh
[08:38] <cloakable> With no kdm?
[08:39] <mortici> i think so
[08:39] <cloakable> Damn :P
[08:39] <mortici> i would ask in #kde
[08:40] <mortici> to verify
[08:40] <cloakable> I wanted to try kde on my older laptop :P
[08:40] <mortici> it would work
[08:40] <cloakable> Currently 128MB RAM, max 192 :P
[08:40] <mortici> id run fluxbox on any really old laptop
[08:40] <mortici> cloakable, it will work on it
[08:40] <mortici> as long as you do the basic install
[08:40] <mortici> no fancy shmancy visuals :)
[08:41] <cloakable> mortici: Yeah, but fluxbox doesn't have any smb browsers :(
[08:41] <mortici> :( just use kde's :P
[08:41] <cloakable> Konqueror is great on the network.
[08:41] <mortici> install kde
[08:41] <cloakable> Yeah, but installing Konqueror = installing kde :P
[08:41] <mortici> buyt use fluxbox
[08:41] <mortici> and use konq on flux
[08:41] <nidal> mortici, i did the same thing and it took the third cd and installation is over successfully.
[08:42] <mortici> nidal, good :) im glad
[08:42] <cloakable> Konq has a dep on kdelibs :P
[08:42] <mortici> cloakable, then install kdelibs
[08:42] <nidal> mortici, many many thanx indeed for your great help . I appreciate it with full heart
[08:42] <mortici> i mean you can install all of kde, but your WM is gonna be fluxbox
[08:42] <mortici> so you just use whatever you need from kde in flux
[08:42] <cloakable> mortici: That has deps on KDE :P
[08:42] <mortici> nidal, not a problem lol, i learned something my self :)
[08:42] <nidal> I have to say that I have good great help from all the time I have been to kubuntu channel and this was even better
[08:43] <cloakable> Won't htat do bad things to my memory?
[08:43] <mortici> cloakable, no, be cause you only run CERTAIN kde things, all of KDE doesn't load then, saving memory
[08:43] <nidal> let me ask you one last doubt(still curious) , what is this ctr+ alt +1 and ctl + alt +2 combs ?
[08:43] <mortici> since fluxbox uses like what a nano bit of ram lol
[08:43] <cloakable> Ahhh.
[08:43] <cloakable> Yeah :)
[08:43] <mortici> nidal, thats to get in and out of qemu
[08:44] <mortici> :)
[08:44] <cloakable> So I'll save ram over using kde?
[08:44] <mortici> cloakable, yes, since thats what your worried about
[08:44] <mortici> hell you can even get kicker to work in flux :P
[08:44] <cloakable> mortici: Hell yeah :P if you were limited to 192MB RAM, wouldn't you worry about it? :P
[08:45] <mortici> indeed i would
[08:45] <nidal> thanx mortici again, I am really happy indeed, bye for now
[08:45] <mortici> nidal, not a prob, enjoy :D
[08:45] <mortici> bye
[08:45] <mortici> cloakable, i would say install kde and make a nice swap  partition, that should help your ram situation :P
[08:45] <nidal> bye, you guys are doing a wonderful job by providing free support for a free OS
[08:46] <mortici> nidal, thats what were here for :P
[08:46] <nidal> :)
[08:46] <cloakable> mortici: yeah, but not the chug-chug-chug situation when I USE that RAM :P
[08:46] <cloakable> *swap
[08:46] <mortici> cloakable, if not then install kde, and fluxbox/openbox/whateverbox, and run that as your WM then use whatever kde apps you need
[08:47] <mortici> cloakable, swap is as fast as your HDD :P
[08:47] <mortici> put a turbo on it lol
[08:47] <cloakable> :P
[08:47] <mortici> i say those are your 2 best options :)
[08:48] <mortici> full kde with a nice swap part, or kde+fluxbox :)
[08:48] <mortici> or openbox
[08:48] <mortici> or whichever box you prefer
[08:48] <cloakable> mortici: I'll probably install ubuntu server, get a working fluxbox install, then install konqueror :P And grit my teeth as my HDD fills with programs :P
[08:53] <mortici> :D
[08:53] <mortici> cloakable, sounds just right :P
[08:53] <cloakable> Heh
[08:53] <ryantmer> For installing Thunderbird, once I have typed "sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird", what do I do?
[08:54] <cloakable> ryantmer: type thunderbird :P
[08:54] <ryantmer> Doesn't run anything though O_o
[08:54] <ryantmer> Just pauses, and goes to a new line
[08:54] <cloakable> Ahh
[08:56] <Bubba_Gump> what seems to be the easiest way to connect msn?
[08:56] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm?
[08:57] <Bubba_Gump> i have used kmess and kopete
[08:57] <ryantmer> In Kubuntu? Kopete
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> kopete is the best one available
[08:57] <Bubba_Gump> okay
[08:57] <Bubba_Gump> it does not connect
[08:58] <Bubba_Gump> i have connected using the account with windows messenger (on XP)
[08:59] <Bubba_Gump> ahh
[08:59] <Bubba_Gump> my firewall :D
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> there you go :)
[08:59] <mortici> lol
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> sometimes you just need a sounding board to work out the problem :D
[08:59] <Bubba_Gump> oh yeah :D
[08:59] <chuen> Oh well, I did it - got rid of Windows and installed Kubuntu! Scary, but OK so far (3 mins!)
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> chuen: i did that two months ago, and i dread having to use the windows machines at school now
[09:00] <chuen> LOL
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> as long as there are no "absolute must-have" windows-only apps, you'll be just fine
[09:01] <zudokai> hm..
[09:01] <chuen> A bit newbie-ish I know, but I'm used to Firefox. Any info on how to install?
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> in kubuntu?
[09:01] <mortici> Daisuke_Ido, which there aren't, what ms office, phuleeeze, Open Office FTMFW :)
[09:01] <zudokai> when i do dpkg-deb -x filename.deb is there anything more i need for it to extract it to my current folder?r
[09:01] <chuen> Yes.
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> it should install automatically
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> check in the k menu under internet
[09:01] <chuen> ok one sec.
[09:01] <mortici> chuen, open up a shell, type sudo apt-get intsall firefox
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> defaults to konqueror
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> but hey, it's not bad either
[09:02] <mortici> i gotta get ready for work
[09:02] <mortici> ttyl guys :D
[09:02] <chuen> I'm just used to the addons in FF :)
[09:02] <chuen> thx mortici
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i am too
[09:03] <Daisuke_Ido> DownThemAll, googlecustomize, video downloader, adblock plus, etc. etc.
[09:03] <Daisuke_Ido> take care, mortici
[09:03] <mortici> ttyl Daisuke_Ido, chuen
[09:03] <chuen> thx ttyl
[09:04] <Daisuke_Ido> chuen: for the most part, if it works on FF in windows, it will work on FF here (shockwave being one of the few exceptions)
[09:14] <Rob-West> someone amuse me
[09:14] <rene_> hi. a friend of mine installed kubuntu 64 today and now used an old sources.list (kubuntu i386) and updated over 80 packets today ... i fear that 64bit will have different repositories .. .right?
[09:14] <jota> nas
[09:16] <mitch_> nixternal: what was the command again to make a script executable?
[09:16] <rene_> so what about that idea: you give me a sources.list of 64bit kubuntu, i give it to him and he does apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and hopes that everything will be fine
[09:16] <cloakable> mitch_: chmod +x <file>
[09:17] <mitch_> thanks
[09:17] <cloakable> no problem
[09:18] <reagleBRKLN> is there a list/blog/etc for reading about updates in the repository, e.g., all the libavahi updates in security
[09:18] <reagleBRKLN> for edgy
[09:24] <ValMarko> I just got the cd I requested : Kubuntu 6.06.1 but I'm having problems installing my usb modem (sagem 800 f@st). I used the script ueagle-1.3.sh on Ubuntu 6.10 and it worked well. Could someone help me?
[09:25] <chuen> Hi. I asked this a while back, but lost the info. I've just installed Kubuntu and need to install Firefox. What's the command again, please?
[09:26] <adz21c> sudo apt-get install firefox i presume
[09:26] <chuen> ok. will try that, thx
[09:26] <chuen> had the sytax wrong :)
[09:26] <adz21c> np :-)
[09:26] <chuen> syntax even :)
[09:27] <adz21c> u can use a gui for installing packages unless you prefer cli
[09:27] <chuen> how do I locate that?
[09:27] <chuen> was going to use shell.
[09:28] <adz21c> the gui? well there are 2 i personally know of, synaptic and adept .... i prefer synaptic, but adept is still ok really, both have pros and cons
[09:29] <adz21c> aptitude has a cli ui ... instead of one line commands like apt-get
[09:29] <chuen> ok, i'll experiment a bit. It's early days (minutes, really).
[09:29] <adz21c> oh right cool
[09:32] <chuen> OK, next dumb question. Now that I've installed it, where is it likely to have been installed and how do I create the equivalent of a shortcut for desktop?
[09:32] <tommymann> is anyone running kxdocker, because my radio buttons for alignment other than bottom are greyed out
[09:33] <tommymann> ?
[09:33] <tommymann> anyone?
[09:33] <adz21c> chuen: your menu should get updated and it will be located under internet
[09:33] <nalioth> chuen: in your console, ln --help  or man ln
[09:34] <adz21c> chuen: you can then just drag the icon direct from the menu to your desktop, in a copy like fasion it should appear there
[09:34] <chuen> Oh yes, I'm blind Thx az21c.
[09:34] <adz21c> np :)
[09:35] <tommymann> anyone know anything about kxdocker?
[09:36] <tommymann> somebody?
[09:36] <adz21c> never used it myself but whats your issue?
[09:36] <tommymann> well the radio buttons for anyother alignment than bottom are greyed out
[09:37] <tommymann> so I can't change alignment
[09:37] <tommymann> and right now it's behind the bar
[09:37] <tommymann> and useless
[09:38] <tommymann> I was wondering if it was just a kubuntu thing
[09:38] <adz21c> well beats me, sorry, but maybe someone else may chime in, on the other hand you tried looking for their developer irc channel or something, they may yeild answers
[09:38] <tommymann> their website is astoundingly useless
[09:40] <faeryNatsuki> i need a little help, i need the notifications sound working on gnome but they does not work, how can i launch the sound system in gnome? (i don't mean arts, notifications in KDe are working without arts and i don't need arts)
[09:41] <faeryNatsuki> i know it is a notification system problem because amarok works, and because when i restart the sound system notifications work
[09:42] <faeryNatsuki> or i need something to replace kopete in my system
[09:43] <adz21c> faeryNatsuki: maybe the people in #ubuntu will know, i think they have better gnome knowledge
[09:44] <adz21c> faeryNatsuki: i think
[09:44] <faeryNatsuki> but the problem is related to kde notification system
[09:44] <faeryNatsuki> not gnome
[09:44] <adz21c> ok, explain again cos i obviously don't get you :-)
[09:45] <gnarly_buttons> Need some help - my music player only plays for 30-60 seconds and then stops...any ideas? I once worked properly.
[09:46] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: what player is this?
[09:46] <faeryNatsuki> OK, I use Gnome, in Gnome i use amarok, kopete and k3b, the sound of music in amarok works, but the notifications of KNotify dopes not work, until i launch kcontrol in gnome and manually start the sound system from that control panel, after that works works OK, if i start KDe all sound was ok, but i need it working too in gnome
[09:46] <gnarly_buttons> happens with both xmms and amarok
[09:47] <faeryNatsuki> then if somebody sends me a msessage in kopete or k3b finish to burn a Cd i didn't notice it becasue there's no sound
[09:48] <faeryNatsuki> then, i uninstalled arts, KDE sound system works without arts and use ESD or ALSa instead, and works well, then it's not anything related to arts
[09:48] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: tried changing the backends?
[09:48] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: how do I do that?  (what does that mean?)
[09:49] <Jordan_U> I am actually using konqueror in gnome, but I figure this is the right place to ask: I have flash installed for firefox, I was told that to get knoqueror to use that to: "In the menu, select "Settings -> Configure Konqueror". Click "Plugins" (the last item in the icon menu the the left". Click on the button "Scan for new Plugins"." But I don't see a "Plugins" Icon on the left menu
[09:49] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: amarok can use xine or something else to play the actual music
[09:50] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: ok, well I want to mention that I do get an error with amarok, something about sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting
[09:50] <fdoving> Jordan_U: it's second from the bottom here.. you need to scroll down.
[09:50] <ryantmer> Once I used Adept Manager to install Thunderbird, how do I run it? I tried "thunderbird" from a konsole, but it didn't do anything...
[09:50] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: that sounds like arts to me ... i think lol, try using something else
[09:50] <Jordan_U> fdoving: I have scrolled down, and it's not ?
[09:51] <gnarly_buttons> yeah, it did say artsmessage error
[09:51] <fdoving> Jordan_U: strange, it's there on both my computers.
[09:51] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: when I look at my Sound System, it only gives the option of xine
[09:52] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: output plugin, select alsa or something like that
[09:52] <faeryNatsuki> then what i need to know is what is the app, daemon or anything that i need to start in gnome to use sound system?
[09:53] <Jordan_U> Is it possible that there is another KDE dependency required for Netscape plugin support that is not pulled in by konqueror alone?
[09:53] <faeryNatsuki> i'll be back n a few seconds
[09:53] <adz21c> faeryNatsuki: to be honest I am stumped its not something i ever come across before :-) I only used gnome for a short period and prefered kde
[09:53] <gnarly_buttons> ady21c: I'm testing it with alsa
[09:54] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: brb
[09:54] <faeryNatsuki> but what i'm asking for is the KDE app to start the KDE sound system
[09:55] <Rob-West> nixternal
[09:55] <||arifaX> how can I remove the latest firefox update (2.0.0.1). I want to go back to old version because I have problems with it (edgy)
[09:55] <faeryNatsuki> ok, then, where can i look for services and apps and things launched at KDE startup?
[09:56] <fdoving> Jordan_U: yes, check if you have 'konqueror-nsplugins'
[09:56] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: bk
[09:56] <nixternal> Rob-West: whats up
[09:56] <noiesmo> ||arifaX, if you have the deb of older version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ you can use sudo aptitude install firefoxoldversion.deb
[09:56] <Rob-West> nm man
[09:57] <Jordan_U> fdoving: Nope :) Installing now, thanks.
[09:58] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: It still has that problem except now it just froze and won't close (before it would close)
[09:58] <||arifaX> noiesmo: ahh I'll try that
[09:58] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: haha oh dear, scratch that idea then
[09:59] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: still gave that error about cpu overload
[09:59] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: what engine do you use for xmms?
[09:59] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: I don't know.  I'm not sure how to even check that. Just tried.
[10:00] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: no problem, i don't know either i only really use amarok
[10:00] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: I thought it was strange since it happens with both players.
[10:01] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: could be xine i guess
[10:01] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: if they both using xine
[10:02] <noiesmo> ||arifaX, :)
[10:02] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: I'm not sure, but it might have happened when I installed amarok with automatix to get the mp3 capability.
[10:02] <||arifaX> noiesmo: that worked wonderful!
[10:02] <||arifaX> noiesmo: thanks again
[10:02] <noiesmo> ||arifaX, np
[10:03] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: yea automatix been evil to me sometimes
[10:03] <lupine_85> gnarly_buttons: why on earth did you do that? Amarok *asks* you if you want to have MP3 support installed
[10:04] <lupine_85> it's libxine-extracodecs , anyway (and make sure kdemultimedia is installed)
[10:04] <gnarly_buttons> lupine_85: Someobody here told me to do that
[10:04] <gnarly_buttons> lupine_85: Can I just remove and reinstall something?
[10:06] <lupine_85> apt-get install --reinstall <something>
[10:06] <gnarly_buttons> lupine_85: is that a joke?
[10:07] <lupine_85> no. that removes then installs <something> for you
[10:07] <lupine_85> but since you installed automatix, you're probably screwed anyway
[10:07] <adz21c> well personally i would say your better off removing the stuff you installed, getting rid of the repos automatix added and try again with just the standard repos
[10:08] <Jordan_U> !automatix
[10:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:08] <gnarly_buttons> adz21c: thanks, I will try to remove all that
[10:08] <adz21c> might be worth renaming config files to just so diff version config files don't get in the way
[10:08] <gnarly_buttons> this is getting complicated
[10:09] <adz21c> gnarly_buttons: :) lifes a bitch
[10:09] <gnarly_buttons> wish me luck
[10:10] <gnarly_buttons> I'll probably be back when it all crashes in on me
[10:10] <gnarly_buttons> bye
[10:10] <adz21c> :P
[10:10] <adz21c> later
[10:12] <frojnd> hello
[10:12] <Rizado> anyone know what to do about crazy log messages from pppoe?
[10:13] <frojnd> what's the good live cd with xgl installed or running automaticly?
[10:13] <Rizado> [85008.006347]  ''IN-internet':'IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=88.156.96.69 DST=81.227.104.15 LEN=64 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=46 ID=25965 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3313 DPT=6881 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[10:13] <Rizado> I get thousands of these
[10:14] <Rizado> and it's driving me crazy not being able to read anything from dmesg because of these
[10:20] <pike_> Rizado: do you have a pppd.pid file in etc?
[10:20] <Rizado> umm I'l check
[10:20] <Rizado> nope
[10:21] <Rizado> there's nothing called that at all
[10:21] <pike_> ah you asked about pppoe anyway.  didnt mean to get your hopes up ;p
[10:21] <Rizado> :/ okey
[10:22] <Rizado> well I think it has something to do with my isp
[10:22] <Rizado> and I'm getting a new one soon so hope it'll fix itself
[10:25] <ryantmer> Once I have installed Thunderbird using this method: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Install_script_Thunderbird_1.5
[10:25] <ryantmer> How do I run it/what else do I have to do to run it?
[10:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:27] <frojnd> so everybody... any live cd that support XGL ?
[10:27] <Rizado> no?
[10:28] <Rizado> oh atleast not ubuntu
[10:28] <Rizado> not sure about any else but I doubt it because of what's required
[10:28] <jordo23> Is there a way to take away the exit button in the top right of an application in KDE?
[10:28] <jordo23> I.e. If I want to have Kontact open on a desktop and not be able to exit from the button
[10:28] <JosefK> frojnd, none that I know of, but it's reasonable (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06) to think you could "roll your own"
[10:30] <danielches> hi] 
[10:31] <danielches> i need help installing kubuntu
[10:31] <adz21c> jordo23: you can customise the buttons in "Window Decorations" I believe, and there is a section for window specific behaviour (so only certain windows like say the kontact main window) will act in a certain way .... maybe you can find something there
[10:32] <danielches> when i try and install kubuntu i get: "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 177903"
[10:33] <Rizado> sure your drive isn't broken?
[10:33] <adz21c> danielches: i got that on a friends laptop .... i had to sit there for like 10 mins then the live CD just booted .... I was only using live CD though, i wasn't installing so i dunno about that
[10:33] <danielches> so, u just left it
[10:33] <danielches> then it worked
[10:33] <danielches> the cd reads fine when i view it on Suse
[10:33] <danielches> it just wont boot
[10:33] <adz21c> yea, i thought it was broke and walked off pissed off came back and it was just there
[10:34] <danielches> some the errors just covered screen, then it finally worked?
[10:34] <adz21c> yea
[10:34] <sten_> hi, is there a possibility to reinstall x?
[10:34] <danielches> :)
[10:34] <danielches> thx
[10:34] <adz21c> its was like it said screw it lets do it anyway
[10:34] <adz21c> but like i said thats live cd not install and i didn't install after .... data recovery :)
[10:34] <Rizado> STEN try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-org"
[10:34] <Rizado> or something like that
[10:35] <Rizado> it will reconfigure x
[10:35] <sten_> my problem is that i seem to be missen the whole display
[10:35] <sten_> so would it help?
[10:35] <Rizado> yeah
[10:36] <Rizado> run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:36] <jontec> okay, so I need some advice. I just read an article in the forums about my current wireless card: it's not compatible with the generic kubuntu setup. A guy showed a way to setup his card (same card, different laptop manuafacturer). Will the windows device drivers for his card (which he posted) work or will I have to use the one provided by my laptop manufacturer (his was a dell, and mine a gateway). Also, I am under the
[10:36] <jontec> impression that he had a 32-bit machine, I'm on a 64-bit machine, will the steps still work?
[10:37] <Rizado> STEN: it that command will rewrite your configfile and try to autodetect the screens just like when you install
[10:37] <Rizado> I think...
[10:38] <sten_> ok, thanks i will try it
[10:40] <slow-motion> re
[10:40] <BTR> Hi, what app can i use to open .rar's with?
[10:40] <Rizado> unrar
[10:40] <Dannilion> unrar
[10:40] <Rizado> BTR unrar
[10:40] <Rizado> enable multiverse and run "sudo apt-get install unrar"
[10:41] <wilman> when i try playing midi with xmms when the midi ends the xmms chrashes
[10:42] <bobleny> How do I change my screen size, it's stuck on 640 x 480?
[10:42] <frojnd> so everybody... any live cd that support XGL ?
[10:42] <jontec_> if anyone answered to me, please resend.... T_T  I got disconnected
[10:43] <tommymann> hey on google it shows a dictionary applet on kicker, does anyone know where I can get it. I can't find it on adept or kde-apps
[10:43] <pike_> !fixres| bob
[10:43] <ubotu> bob: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:43] <pike_> bobleny: ^
[10:43] <pike_> aww
[10:44] <Rizado> Is there any updates to kde in edgy? I mean any new version, like 3.5.6 or something
[10:44] <tommymann> anyone know where I can get a dictionary applet for the kicker?
[10:48] <tommymann> does anyone have a dictionary applet?
[10:49] <jma> Rizado: I don't think 3.5.6 has been released yet.
[10:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Rizado: edgy is 3.5.5
[10:49] <apollo2011> I have one account on Ubuntu and it got deleted from sudoers so I can't do anything as root, but I need to be root in order to change the settings so I can log into X as root or to gain root access to change /etc/sudoers. What do I do?
[10:49] <Rizado> okey thanks
[10:51] <jma> tommymann: install kdict package
[10:54] <dbase13> evening
[10:55] <dbase13> wow... is everybody sleeping?
[10:55] <adz21c> :P
[10:55] <jontec_> can anyone tell me why nearly everytime I try to transfer a file to my windows computer on the network... my network connection suddenly goes out? That means my internet goes out too. To get back on I have to do ifconfig eth0 up, down, and then run dhclient
[10:55] <NeoChaosX> busy with other things, I'm guessing
[10:56] <dbase13> hehe
[10:56] <SlimG> what is the default value of LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[11:03] <jma> SlimG: it seems the environemnt variable default to "". dl loader searches for /lib and /usr/lib, but not /usr/local/lib
[11:05] <dora> hi
[11:06] <SlimG> jma: thanx, just what i needed
[11:11] <savtronic> hi
[11:14] <Xal> Hi
[11:15] <Xal> I have to remove a hard drive from my system. By doing so, my linux drive will go from sdb2 to sda2
[11:15] <Xal> Is there a problem with that?
[11:16] <noiesmo> Xal, you will need to edit /etc/fstab
[11:16] <adz21c> as i recall ubuntu now started using UUID instead of /dev's in fstab so shouldn't be a problem
[11:16] <adz21c> but i am not sure if thats for Edgy only
[11:17] <Xal> hmm good point
[11:17] <Xal> I'll see if it simply works
[11:17] <noiesmo> adz21c, looks right
[11:17] <adz21c> not sure if thats the case for dapper though
[11:18] <noiesmo> adz21c, my fstab has "converted during upgrade to edgy" for uuid from hda etc
[11:19] <adz21c> yea, so was mine, but i mean if Xal is still on dapper his wouldn't have been converted ... pending dapper still uses /dev's i can't remember :-P :)
[11:19] <noiesmo> yeah
[11:19] <Xal> I'm on edgy
[11:19] <adz21c> then all should be well :-)
[11:19] <noiesmo> Xal, then you be right :)
[11:19] <jontec_> Takin' you to the edge
[11:20] <danielk> hi
[11:21] <danielk> i cant find liblame in the repository multiverse, running against deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[11:21] <danielk> anyone else?
[11:22] <radiant> hey, anyone know the full server name for undernet?
[11:23] <heapme> us.undernet.org ?
[11:23] <hatta> there are lots of servers on undernet
[11:23] <Xal> I hate hard drive failure.
[11:23] <hatta> that's why it's a net
[11:23] <adz21c> danielk: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/l/lame/
[11:23] <noiesmo> danielk, can you see liblame0
[11:23] <heapme> is the LTS version of kubuntu gaurenteed to be stable and not have a crashy kde?
[11:23] <hatta> http://www.undernet.org/servers.php
[11:24] <andreasw> Anybody else has problems with the console font (doesn't display menus well or german umlaute)
[11:24] <radiant> thanx ^^
[11:24] <danielk> yeah in the link i got now, but i cant see it with apt-cache search liblame0
[11:26] <danielk> adz21c i se it there, but it should work with apt-get, and thatws whats worring me, i did a dist-upgrade from dapper and changed dappers respoitories to edgys, arent they the same?
[11:26] <Xal> restarting.. hope it worked ^^
[11:26] <adz21c> danielk: have you tried sudo apt-get update?
[11:26] <danielk> yeah
[11:27] <danielk> adz21c: i even deleted my cache and took them all again with apt.get update
[11:27] <adz21c> bizarre. It shows up fine when i run the command
[11:27] <Xal> nope, for some reason it didn't work.
[11:28] <danielk> do you have the se server?
[11:28] <adz21c> i am using gb but the mirriors should be same i would assume
[11:28] <ryantmer> What is the actual program called for Thunderbird (the file)?
[11:28] <danielk> ah, well i supose, i did take a look at the package file and no mention of liblame there, other than a dependency...
[11:29] <ryantmer> Because I click Thunderbird from the K menu, and the bar with the hourglass comes up in the taskbar, but it doesn't actually run
[11:29] <ryantmer> (It eventually disappears)
[11:29] <adz21c> ryantmer: run it through konsole and see if it spits out an error
[11:31] <Xal> It does use the UUIDs
[11:31] <adz21c> good stuff
[11:31] <Xal> Do I have to change anything in fstab?
[11:31] <adz21c> shouldn't
[11:32] <Xal> Hmm I went into grub and typed root (hd0,1) setup (hd0)
[11:32] <danielk> adz21c: if you run this whats the output?     apt-cache search lib | grep lame
[11:32] <ryantmer> adz21c: Nope... I just pauses, then goes to a new line
[11:32] <ryantmer> *it
[11:32] <Xal> Then I restarted, got the GRUB menu alright, but I recieved error 17, can't mount drive.
[11:33] <adz21c> oh so your not getting past grub?
[11:33] <Xal> nope
[11:33] <adz21c> danielk: liblame-dev - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder & liblame0 - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
[11:33] <Xal> ah, I need to change the grub settings.
[11:34] <adz21c> yea that doesn't use uuid's :P i didn't think of that one :-)
[11:34] <luis> hola
[11:34] <matu> Hi. Do I need to compole de Kernel before I compile a driver for web cam?
[11:34] <luis> some body speak spanish???
[11:35] <matu> compole-> compile
[11:35] <Xal> That seemed to work.
[11:35] <adz21c> matu: shouldn't do, as long as u got the sources for the kernel u got installed you should be able to compile just the driver
[11:35] <danielk> matu: no but you need the kernel header files
[11:35] <Xal> or maybe not.. back to the drawing board
[11:35] <adz21c> haha
[11:35] <adz21c> how far this time?
[11:35] <matu> I think I have everything, but in the wrong directory
[11:36] <Xal> I got to an initfs prompt. I may have missed something in my menu.lst
[11:36] <adz21c> well i never had to configure grub so u know more than me :-) lol
[11:37] <Xal> Are you a Linux pro?
[11:37] <adz21c> nah :P
[11:37] <Xal> I wish I were, but I really don't have time.
[11:38] <luis> I nedd u help
[11:38] <danielk> matu: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:39] <blekos> hello,
[11:39] <blekos> i'm trying to set alt+shift to change language but not like
[11:39] <blekos> in gnome works fine
[11:39] <adz21c> luis: #kubuntu-es?
[11:40] <luis> si
[11:41] <Xal> sweet, that worked ^^
[11:41] <Xal> thanks
[11:41] <matu> I already have the headers. Thing is drivers make doesn't work ( gspcav1 )
[11:41] <adz21c> Xal: what you do?
[11:41] <jontec> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[11:41] <Xal> I attend high school, but I have a heavy load.
[11:43] <kayshi> t
[11:43] <adz21c> Xal: i mean to make it work but good to know :-):P
[11:43] <matu> Best way to make a webcam work in kubuntu ?
[11:43] <Xal> OH haha
[11:43] <Xal> :p
[11:44] <helge> I try to install kdenlive from Klik, It says (for a starter) that I am missing; libffmpeg0-0.4.9-8 , where do I find it?
[11:44] <Xal> I just changed the (hdx,x) setting and sdxx setting in menu.lst
[11:44] <adz21c> ah ok
[11:44] <Xal> the first for root, and the second in the kernel path
[11:45] <ninHer> i need some help about allowfmp3
[11:45] <Xal> allofmp3? You mean the one the RIAA is suing for 1.7 trillion dollars?
[11:45] <ninHer> yes, the same
[11:46] <Xal> rofl
[11:46] <Xal> What do you need help with exactly?
[11:46] <blekos> how can i disable bluetooth?
[11:46] <ninHer> when i was ready to pay or add some cash, i don't see the visa kind card
[11:47] <ninHer> just diners and another one
[11:47] <Xal> blekos: you can just uninstall all the bluetuth stuff
[11:47] <Xal> use apt-cache search bluetooth
[11:47] <Xal> then apt-get remove (anything with bluetooth)
[11:47] <blekos> i dont want to uninstall it
[11:47] <blekos> i just want to disable it to save power
[11:48] <Xal> Do you have any bluetooth devices?
[11:48] <Xal> Well, bluetooth settings can be found in the system settings applet.
[11:48] <blekos> yrd
[11:48] <blekos> yes
[11:48] <Xal> Go to your K menu and then to System Settings
[11:49] <Xal> There is a bluetooth button in there.
[11:49] <Xal> ninHer: I have no clue.
[11:49] <Xal> I don't use it.
[11:49] <ninHer> ok Xal; thanks anyway....i will keep on trying
[11:52] <Xal> blekos: did you find it?
[11:52] <premier_> hello
[11:53] <premier_> when I started using kubuntu, I had to turn acpi off.  Kubuntu wouldnt start otherwise
[11:53] <blekos> well i found it, but there is no option for disabling it
[11:53] <blekos> all local services etc are disabled
[11:53] <Xal> hmm
[11:54] <Xal> apt-cache search bluetooth
[11:54] <Xal> Look for a management utility.
[11:54] <premier_> Now I realize that acpi is pretty important, for battery management, startup and shutdown, hibernation, screen lumenosity, etc
[11:54] <premier_> Can anyone help me figure out what the problem is and maybe fix it?
[11:54] <Xal> What problem?
[11:55] <Xal> Oh that
[11:55] <Xal> What brand laptop do you have?
[11:55] <premier_> dell inspiron E1705
[11:55] <premier_> which apparently also goes by the name 9600
[11:56] <premier_> yeah, kubuntu wouldnt startup correctly unless I turned off acpi and apic
[11:57] <premier_> I had to pass the kernel "acpi=off noapic nolapic" to get it to work
[11:57] <premier_> I kinda half wonder if "noapic nolapic" would work.   Do you think I could try it?
[12:00] <Xal> Hmm
[12:01] <Xal> I had a problem like that before.
[12:01] <Xal> Are you using Edgy?
[12:02] <premier_> yeah
[12:02] <premier_> Xal:  do you remember how you fixed it?
[12:04] <premier_> hey genii
[12:04] <blekos> no luck
[12:04] <premier_> hows it going?
[12:04] <genii> premier_ Heya :) Goes pretty good
[12:04] <premier_> genii: remeber we had to turn off acpi to get my laptop to boot kubuntu?
[12:05] <Xal> I upgraded to Edgy
[12:05] <Xal> lol
[12:05] <genii> premier_ Yeah I remember that
[12:05] <premier_> do you think we could go back and fix that?  I'd like to have acpi support
[12:05] <Xal> I had to do that way back when I used Warthog
[12:05] <Xal> I think
[12:05] <Xal> What was version 5.10?
[12:05] <premier_> Hoary?
[12:05] <snowrichard> hello
[12:06] <kogber> Gnome users: I am writing a Howto for the forum, and I need a Gnome version of how to add a process to Autostart (xbindkeys, specifically).  Anyone care to help?
[12:06] <genii> premier_ You should be able to just edit that in the grub menu.lst ...the "noacpi" ... just remove it
[12:06] <premier_> are you sure?  What if the computer still hangs on startup?  Just give up?
[12:07] <genii> premier_ Well if you change it and the boot hangs you can boot to the safe kernel, edit it back etc
[12:07] <premier_> remember I have to remove the battery to turn off this computer once it hangs. Im a little skeptical about crashing a mounted filesystem.
[12:07] <premier_> But I guess I can change it
[12:07] <Xal> Yeah Hoary
[12:08] <premier_> genii: Can I just pass special "cheat codes" using grub?
[12:08] <genii> premier_ So long as you don't change the safe boot parameters it will be recoverable...just a pain :0
[12:08] <premier_> oh I seee
[12:08] <premier_> okay, Im gonna give it a try
[12:08] <genii> premier_ There are some other specific powersave stuff you can set ...not commandline
[12:09] <genii> premier_ Lemme look it up
[12:09] <premier_> okay, Ill be rebooting my computer
[12:09] <blekos> can anyone explain y alt+shift isn't working in KDE?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> vlwhat do you expect it to do?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> blekos: ^^^ that was for you
[12:11] <blekos> o sorry, 2 b able 2 swift be2n languages
[12:11] <deus3> hmm... that seemed to work perfectly fine
[12:11] <deus3> or Im sorry
[12:11] <blekos> i tried to change kbr layout but no luck
[12:12] <genii> premier_ So it's not giving you grief?
[12:12] <premier__> doesnt look like it
[12:12] <premier__> looks like I have two battery managers
[12:13] <genii> premier_ I've heard some laptops have issues when on AC with the power features
[12:13] <jontec_> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[12:13] <jontec_> premier_: there is one called kdesktop and powermanager... it's normal
[12:14] <premier__> genii: dont know about that... Im on ac right now
[12:14] <jontec_> premier_: I'm on a laptop right now...
[12:14] <genii> premier_ The main symptom if you have that issue is like a 3 minute or so boot time
[12:14] <jontec_> genii: I am having trouble with changing my power profile... :D but that's not my primary concern right now