| mdke | nixternal: oh, by the way | 12:30 |
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| nixternal | duh duh duh! | 12:30 |
| somerville32 | popey, drupal? | 12:31 |
| mdke | nixternal: work was immensely slow today, so I braindumped about the wiki thing | 12:32 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImproveWebsiteStructure | 12:32 |
| nixternal | good deal. I will check it out after dinner and make some notes if needed | 12:32 |
| nixternal | i clean out my desktop cases once a month. last month i moved my machines closer to the door in order to receive some cooler air. wow they are dustier after doing that | 12:33 |
| mdke | ok | 12:33 |
| mdke | mpt: you might take a look too, and give some feedback. We were just playing with ideas | 12:34 |
| popey | somerville32: yes | 12:34 |
| tonyyarusso | somerville32: what about drupal? | 12:36 |
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| popey | a site i setup on doc.ubuntu.com is drupal based | 12:36 |
| popey | we were talking about it just before you arrived | 12:36 |
| tonyyarusso | ah | 12:36 |
| popey | http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts | 12:36 |
| somerville32 | popey, I have a lot of experience with Drupal if you need any help | 12:36 |
| popey | thanks somerville32 | 12:37 |
| popey | its pretty basic to be honest, not using most of drupal | 12:37 |
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| mpt | ooh, interesting problem | 01:01 |
| somerville32 | Oh noes! It is mpt! | 01:03 |
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| mdke | mpt: oh cool, you don't think the renaming thing is loony | 01:20 |
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| mpt | I dislike URLs containing "wiki." on the grounds that that's an implementation detail | 01:29 |
| mdke | good man | 01:30 |
| mdke | I tell you something we have in the Italian community that we can't shrug off | 01:30 |
| mdke | everyone, almost without exception, describes every page as a "wiki" | 01:30 |
| mpt | haha | 01:31 |
| mpt | That's sortof synecdoche | 01:32 |
| mdke | bless you | 01:32 |
| mpt | Well, kind for the thing, rather than whole for the part, I guess | 01:32 |
| mdke | "wiki page" is quite awkward to say in Italian :D | 01:33 |
| mdke | you have to say "page of the wiki" | 01:33 |
| mpt | No nouns masquerading as adjectives in Italian? | 01:35 |
| mpt | E.g. "wooden chair" becomes "chair of wood"? | 01:35 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:35 |
| mpt | (well, wooden is actually an adjective, but ykwim) | 01:36 |
| mdke | mpt: was pleased to see you accepted that bug about the portlets being the wrong way round in the left column | 01:40 |
| willvdl | mpt, do you not reckon that when folks are on a URL containing "wiki" it is perceived as an invitation to edit? | 01:41 |
| mdke | i think that's the point we need to address | 01:42 |
| mdke | willvdl: do you fancy adding that to Unresolved Issues? | 01:42 |
| willvdl | mdke, at this time of night I don't fancy much other than my pillow | 01:43 |
| mdke | willvdl: well, since I'm already on the pillow, I'll do it | 01:43 |
| nixternal | ah there is plenty of time for sleep, now is work time :) | 01:43 |
| willvdl | Unresolved Issues? | 01:43 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:44 |
| mpt | willvdl, I know that a small proportion of people in general pay any attention to URLs, but I don't know how much higher that proportion is amongst the sort of people who'd want to edit a wiki page | 01:44 |
| willvdl | nixternal, it's 02:43 here. only reason I'm up is because I'm proofing edubuntu marketing materials for BETT | 01:44 |
| nixternal | woo that sounds like fun :) | 01:44 |
| mpt | willvdl, add an "== Unresolved issues ==" section to the end of the page if it doesn't already have one | 01:44 |
| mdke | it does. I'll add the point | 01:44 |
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| willvdl | ah, wasn't watching what page you were referring too :) | 01:45 |
| === willvdl is just getting cracking on them | ||
| mdke | if people read urls, we wouldn't have the problem :D | 01:45 |
| willvdl | mpt, I have a suspicion that when folks see "wiki" as synonymous to "open to contribution". Would be hard to establish though | 01:46 |
| mpt | Perhaps, but a "Fix this page yourself" button at the bottom would have greater effect :-) | 01:47 |
| nixternal | lol | 01:47 |
| nixternal | mpt: +1 | 01:47 |
| somerville32 | +1 | 01:47 |
| mdke | well, they both already have "Login to edit" at the top | 01:47 |
| willvdl | would "fix this page yourself" not fit in the URL? | 01:47 |
| mdke | anyway, point added | 01:48 |
| mpt | gnargh | 01:48 |
| mdke | willvdl: "at the bottom" | 01:48 |
| willvdl | I have a widescreen, it fits in mine | 01:48 |
| mdke | heh | 01:48 |
| mdke | willvdl: try this one on your widescreen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hi_I'm_new_to_Ubuntu_and_I'm_having_a_hard_time_going_online%2e_My_wireless_net_work_card_is_a_Belkin_F5D7000-W_I_would_really_appreciate_it_if_some_one_told_me_how_to_go_about_this%2e?action=info | 01:48 |
| mdke | credit: nixternal | 01:48 |
| nixternal | hahahahha | 01:48 |
| mdke | the truly awesome thing about that page is that he opened it twice | 01:49 |
| nixternal | ?action=DELETE!!! | 01:49 |
| mdke | it's already deleted? | 01:49 |
| nixternal | ya | 01:49 |
| nixternal | he did another one? | 01:49 |
| mdke | see the link I posted | 01:49 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 01:49 |
| nixternal | omg | 01:49 |
| mdke | he varied it too. He added "here" to the end of the page text | 01:49 |
| nixternal | haha, try this one on your widescreen | 01:49 |
| willvdl | one of our edubuntu pages had a nice red banner inserted by a guy wanting DVD's to distribute | 01:50 |
| nixternal | i have a widescreen and the link still split to 3 lines | 01:50 |
| nixternal | i don't know how i let another one of his posts slip through | 01:50 |
| willvdl | seems you have a nemesis | 01:51 |
| mdke | lol | 01:51 |
| nixternal | must be | 01:51 |
| mdke | we need to think outside the box for a replacement for "wiki" though | 01:51 |
| willvdl | is this the "dev" vs "wiki" etc debate from earlier? | 01:52 |
| mdke | yes. willvdl the url is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImproveWebsiteStructure?action=show | 01:52 |
| popey | heheh mdke that fits on one line here (the long url) | 01:52 |
| mdke | you must have five or six monitors | 01:52 |
| mdke | thank god tomorrow is friday. I really haven't had any sleep this week | 01:53 |
| willvdl | mdke is there a LP spec ref? would like to subscribe | 01:54 |
| popey | mdke: http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/Screenshot_005 :) | 01:54 |
| mdke | willvdl: no, I'll make one now | 01:54 |
| mdke | popey: whoosh | 01:55 |
| mdke | plenty of space left there too | 01:55 |
| popey | taking the pee a little, usually i only have that one one screen :) | 01:55 |
| willvdl | ah, perhaps we could make reference to www.kubuntu.com and www.edubuntu.org too | 01:55 |
| mdke | nod | 01:56 |
| willvdl | the edubuntu.org is a slightly different animal but hopefully it will endeavour to follow the same conventions | 01:59 |
| mdke | who should be approver for that? | 01:59 |
| mdke | jane, mark? | 01:59 |
| willvdl | for what? edubuntu.org? probaby Richard | 02:00 |
| mdke | for that spec | 02:00 |
| willvdl | Jane does love wikis | 02:02 |
| mdke | hmm | 02:02 |
| mdke | I'll leave it blank for now | 02:03 |
| willvdl | ok I'm getting silly. Ciao. | 02:03 |
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| somerville32 | What about xubuntu.org?! | 02:06 |
| mdke | potentially each of these derivative websites might need separate specs | 02:07 |
| mdke | they all have slightly different structures | 02:07 |
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| bdmurray | what package provides gnome "disks manager"? | 03:36 |
| bdmurray | The Ubuntu documentation refers to it as being in "System -> Administration -> Disks" but I don't see it there on Edgy. | 03:39 |
| bdmurray | And I'm not sure if it is my install or the documentation. | 03:39 |
| crimsun | removed due to upstream decision | 03:39 |
| crimsun | (so, the latter) | 03:40 |
| bdmurray | Okay, cool. Why was it removed? | 03:41 |
| crimsun | no idea about the actual rationale. | 03:42 |
| somerville32 | Apparently it was buggy or something? | 03:44 |
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| somerville32 | Do we use docbook sgml or xml? | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | xml | 04:31 |
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| nixternal | oi LaserJock | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | hi nixternal | 04:49 |
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| LaserJock | theCore! | 04:51 |
| theCore | hi LaserJock | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I just fired up emacs snapshot | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | but the fonts look awful | 04:52 |
| theCore | hehe, mine? | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | which one is yours? | 04:52 |
| theCore | the one at debs.peadrop.com | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | ah, no | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | the one in the repos | 04:53 |
| theCore | try mine then | 04:53 |
| theCore | just a sec | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | theCore: what did you do to xchat? | 04:54 |
| theCore | http://peadrop.com/files/Screenshot.png | 04:54 |
| theCore | a bug fix | 04:54 |
| theCore | bug 57951 | 04:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57951 | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | oh yeah | 04:55 |
| theCore | I need to get the fix into the repos | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | so what did you do to emacs? | 04:56 |
| theCore | it's a version from the emacs-unicode-2 branch | 04:56 |
| theCore | the mighty emacs 23 | 04:56 |
| theCore | I update it about once per week | 04:57 |
| theCore | and I sync with Debian once per month | 04:57 |
| theCore | LaserJock: you probably want my .emacs too | 04:58 |
| theCore | and read this http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XftGnuEmacs | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | theCore: your .emacs is on peadrop still right? | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I can probably svn it | 05:00 |
| theCore | yep, but I need to remove the password before | 05:00 |
| theCore | for some weird reasons, their is a password on it :/ | 05:00 |
| theCore | there* | 05:01 |
| theCore | http://svn.peadrop.com/emacs/ | 05:01 |
| theCore | yep, it is working now | 05:03 |
| theCore | svn co http://svn.peadrop.com/emacs/ emacs | 05:03 |
| theCore | ln -s emacs/emacs.el .emacs | 05:03 |
| theCore | to launch it, you will need a small script or add a .Xdefaults file | 05:05 |
| theCore | that my little script I like to use: http://peadrop.com/files/emacs.sh | 05:07 |
| theCore | (Vim lovers would probably laugh hearing me right now :)) | 05:08 |
| theCore | so much configurations | 05:08 |
| theCore | hmm, hopefully I didn't kill LaserJock | 05:13 |
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| nixternal | bdmurray: don't worry about the quicktour stuff. i think we may eventually nix it | 05:24 |
| theCore | LaserJock! | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | theCore: so did you put the font in .Xresources ? | 05:26 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I trying to | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | it works if I do: emacs --enable-font-backend --font "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10" | 05:27 |
| theCore | LaserJock: yep | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | but I should be able to put that in a file somewhere | 05:27 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I use a script for that, but I think I just found out a new way | 05:28 |
| bdmurray | nixternal: okay, it wasn't much work to fix though. | 05:29 |
| nixternal | no problem | 05:29 |
| nixternal | we may be able to pull from it though | 05:29 |
| nixternal | i have never taken a look at it personally though | 05:29 |
| theCore | LaserJock: hmm... it seems that until they get rid of legacy font-handling codes, you will need the `--enable-font-backend' option | 05:32 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: messing with emacs again? | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: yeah | 05:33 |
| nixternal | i keep telling myself I am going to, but never get around to doing it | 05:33 |
| theCore | LaserJock: in theory, I could patch it | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | theCore introduced me to org mode | 05:33 |
| theCore | hehe | 05:33 |
| nixternal | there is a guy in the Chicago LUG, all he uses is emacs. he doesn't even use a DE at all. nothing but term. RMS's twin | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | there's really not much of anything emacs can't do | 05:34 |
| nixternal | heh, when you ask him what os he uses, he will tell you emacs | 05:34 |
| theCore | nixternal: lol, there's even a guy who made an Emacs OS | 05:34 |
| theCore | nixternal: he made init point to Emacs | 05:34 |
| nixternal | that is scary | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | yeah, my boss is sure that way | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | even with OS X all he does is have emacs, acroread, and firefox | 05:37 |
| theCore | http://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html | 05:38 |
| theCore | scary --^ | 05:38 |
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| theCore | LaserJock: if you use my dot emacs, I recommend you change some of the values in custom.el (eg. the email address) | 05:41 |
| theCore | LaserJock: also, I assume some basic packages to be installed, like nxml-mode and emacs-goodies-el | 05:42 |
| nixternal | man i lost a system due to mem failure :( | 05:43 |
| nixternal | trying to find replacement memory for cheap isn't easy | 05:43 |
| theCore | LaserJock: also devscripts-el, debian-el and auctex | 05:43 |
| nixternal | nothing more than ddr3200 is all i need, 512mb would work and of course 1gb would be swell. but the prices aren't there just yet | 05:43 |
| theCore | LaserJock: do you got any other questions about Emacs, before I leave? | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | theCore: no, I just wanted to figure out the font issue | 05:49 |
| theCore | LaserJock: ok | 05:49 |
| theCore | then, I am off for today | 05:50 |
| theCore | see ya all | 05:50 |
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| mpt | How do I link to another element with an id= in the same document? | 10:58 |
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| willvdl | what's the policy on using CategoryArchive in the wiki? | 05:02 |
| nixternal | mpt: <xref linkend="id"/> or <xref linkend="id">Blah</xref> | 05:23 |
| nixternal | willvdl: i have no clue on the archive stuff | 05:23 |
| willvdl | seems to be used but wondering how it relates to quality assurance spec. | 05:24 |
| willvdl | anyhoo. it's FRiday and I'm going to drink beer rather. | 05:24 |
| willvdl | see you all Monday | 05:24 |
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| jeffsch | mdke: has anyone suggested mydocs.ubuntu.com for the wiki? | 08:54 |
| jeffsch | "mydocs" suggests ownership and thus the ability to add and edit the content | 08:54 |
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| mdke | jeffsch: no, not to my knowledge. | 09:00 |
| jeffsch | mdke: ok. I'll add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImproveWebsiteStructure | 09:09 |
| mdke | jeffsch: it doesn't really work for that, because there aren't any docs on the wiki | 09:12 |
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| jeffsch | hmm... I was thinking "documentation" and not "documents" | 09:13 |
| jeffsch | but that's a good point | 09:13 |
| mdke | there isn't any documentation either... | 09:14 |
| mdke | we're talking about wiki.ubuntu.com here | 09:14 |
| jeffsch | doh! my brain fails me once again! | 09:15 |
| jeffsch | I'm seeing "wiki" but thinking "help" :( | 09:15 |
| mdke | :) | 09:16 |
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| mdke | bdmurray: yes, we have a bug open about disk-admin | 09:34 |
| bdmurray | mdke: what is the bug? | 09:35 |
| mdke | bdmurray: that we have documentation about using disks-admin and the program isn't shipped anymore | 09:35 |
| bdmurray | okay. just out of curiousity why isn't it shipped anymore? | 09:36 |
| mdke | too many bugs | 09:36 |
| mdke | ironically they wanted to remove it in dapper and I persuaded them not to on the basis that we had docs about it | 09:37 |
| mdke | so they removed it at the beginning of Edgy and we just forgot all about that | 09:37 |
| bdmurray | Is there an alternative gui disk admin tool? | 09:37 |
| mdke | no, there was a discussion about it on the mailing list but we came to the view that we should simply remove the material on the basis that partitions are now mounted automatically | 09:38 |
| mdke | or something like that | 09:38 |
| bdmurray | okay, is looking at the server guide a decent idea? | 09:40 |
| mdke | yes, that needs some serious attention. If you can see places to simplify it, that would be wonderful | 09:41 |
| mdke | we also need to reorganise it a bit better. I'm going to work on that this weekend I think | 09:41 |
| nixternal | braindump on w.u.c rename: work.u.c, collab.u.c, meta.u.c, data.u.c, projects.u.c, create.u.c, jot.u.c, think.u.c, (dev or devel are still my favorites) </brainfart> | 09:41 |
| nixternal | just trying to spark something here | 09:41 |
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| mdke | how about dahood.ubuntu.com? | 09:42 |
| nixternal | community is good as well, but like stated it is to much to type | 09:42 |
| nixternal | haha | 09:42 |
| nixternal | i love it | 09:42 |
| nixternal | mdke.ubuntu.com :) | 09:42 |
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| bdmurray | mdke: incidentally I don't see myself as a member of the ubuntu-doc team in launchpad | 09:42 |
| mdke | bdmurray: an oversight by us. Did you apply? | 09:42 |
| bdmurray | com.ubuntu.com would be a good short hand | 09:42 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:42 |
| nixternal | a head spinner | 09:42 |
| bdmurray | mdke: what is the application process? | 09:43 |
| mdke | bdmurray: "join this team" | 09:43 |
| bdmurray | in launchpad? | 09:45 |
| bdmurray | ah, found it | 09:46 |
| nixternal | i can't register my wiki page on LP | 09:52 |
| nixternal | someone else already has, but i have the actual wiki page | 09:52 |
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| mdke | w00t | 10:24 |
| mdke | they've implemented the gpg plugin for squirrelmail on dreamhost | 10:24 |
| mdke | nixternal: ^^ | 10:24 |
| nixternal | nice | 10:24 |
| nixternal | makes it easier when im away from my computer | 10:24 |
| mdke | now all they need to do is activate threading and all is at peace | 10:25 |
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| popey | evening mdke | 11:16 |
| mdke | evening | 11:16 |
| mdke | popey: good job today | 11:17 |
| popey | thanks | 11:19 |
| popey | just need to finish the how-to and flesh out some specs | 11:20 |
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| mdke | then we'll start cracking on finding some people | 11:21 |
| popey | agreed | 11:21 |
| mdke | I wondered if it would be worth you chatting with the ubuntuclips guy on a one to one basis and trying to convince him to come on board early doors | 11:21 |
| popey | yup | 11:22 |
| popey | will do | 11:22 |
| mdke | nixternal: having said that, I can't find the plugin. DH have been lying to me | 11:22 |
| mdke | popey: cool | 11:22 |
| popey | need to sort the "rules"too because we (me and him) differ on our ideas | 11:23 |
| mdke | technical or social? | 11:23 |
| popey | technical | 11:24 |
| mdke | resolvable? | 11:24 |
| popey | yeah, i am sure it is | 11:24 |
| mdke | cool, I'll leave that to you :D | 11:24 |
| popey | :) | 11:25 |
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| mpt | mdke, still around? | 11:43 |
| mdke | mpt: yes | 11:44 |
| mpt | mdke, the links I removed were to files that aren't there | 11:45 |
| mpt | Are you intending to move them to that directory from somewhere else? | 11:45 |
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| mdke | mpt: well, you left one of them. And yeah, we can import them when they have reached a nice stable state upstream | 11:46 |
| mpt | ok, I'll restore those links, and move them when there's a better place for them | 11:47 |
| mdke | I thought maybe you felt they might go better in something like "Configuring the desktop" | 11:47 |
| mpt | and use <xref> to fix my cross-references | 11:48 |
| mdke | ok | 11:48 |
| mdke | mpt: one more thing, about the presence of "What's new" | 11:48 |
| mdke | you think it's worth writing those? people upgrading get the release notes in update-manager and online | 11:49 |
| mdke | and in firefox too, now I think of it | 11:49 |
| mdke | I hadn't envisaged shipping them with the help | 11:49 |
| mpt | I'm not entirely sure what the release notes are supposed to be for | 11:50 |
| mpt | (I reported a bug yesterday asking why they include instructions on getting Ubuntu) | 11:50 |
| mdke | yeah I know, I rejected it | 11:50 |
| mdke | :p | 11:50 |
| mdke | but you'll need to talk to mdz or tollef I think if you're not satisfied with my response | 11:51 |
| mpt | but just as helping people understand the differences between Windows and Ubuntu 7.04 will help them use Ubuntu 7.04 | 11:51 |
| mpt | so helping people understand the differences between Ubuntu 6.10 and 7.04 will help them use 7.04 | 11:51 |
| mpt | I'm talking about important differences in how to do things, not "we have rounded window corners now" | 11:52 |
| mdke | that's very true. But i don't know if it justifies us maintaining a kinda slimmed down userfriendly version of the releasenotes just for that | 11:52 |
| mdke | apart from anything else | 11:52 |
| mdke | I bet you the important differences in how to do things aren't always in the dev's releasenotes | 11:52 |
| mpt | Extra important for it to be in the help, then :-) | 11:53 |
| mdke | it will be hard work for us to hunt it all down and write it up, given how much is already on the plate | 11:53 |
| mdke | but still, we can mull it over | 11:53 |
| mdke | mpt: a few other things about the patch | 11:54 |
| mdke | you've also removed the links to the administration thing and the users/groups thing | 11:55 |
| mdke | and the switching from windows material that I incorporated | 11:55 |
| mpt | We have discussed that ten minutes ago | 11:55 |
| mdke | mpt: no, we discussed the links to material that isn't there (the Gnome upstream stuff) | 11:56 |
| mpt | <mpt> ok, I'll restore those links, and move them when there's a better place for them | 11:56 |
| mdke | these are things that were there | 11:56 |
| mpt | (I've just finished that) | 11:57 |
| mdke | ok. | 11:57 |
| mdke | the switching one obviously overlaps with your glossary thing, they should be combined | 11:57 |
| mdke | that glossary stuff is really useful, btw | 11:58 |
| mpt | Yes, that's what I meant by "I'll ... start incorporating relevant information from 'Switching From Windows'." | 11:58 |
| mpt | So "If you've been using Windows" will link to a list of topics, of which the glossary is one page | 11:58 |
| mdke | mpt: I'd already down the "incorporating relevant information" part. What you see there is a slimmed down version of "switching from windows". But that's cool, I'll leave you to that | 11:58 |
| mdke | onto other things | 11:59 |
| mdke | mpt: menu entries... we should use entities for these | 11:59 |
| mdke | are you familiar with how we do those? | 11:59 |
| mpt | ok, back up a bit | 11:59 |
| mpt | You'd already done the incorporating | 11:59 |
| mdke | yes, I thought I had | 11:59 |
| mpt | Is there a reason for retaining the "Introduction", "Installing Ubuntu", etc topics? | 12:00 |
| mdke | ok, I must have dreamed that then | 12:00 |
| mdke | sorry! | 12:00 |
| mpt | np :-) | 12:01 |
| mdke | mpt: a quick side note on the installing section | 12:01 |
| mpt | I didn't want to try and do all of that in one patch | 12:01 |
| mdke | the help will be available from the live cd... I wonder if it's worth keeping that section on the basis that people might look for help being trying to use ubiquity | 12:01 |
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| mpt | In 7.04 Ubiquity is due to provide assistance in transferring stuff from Windows | 12:02 |
| mpt | To answer your next question, I'm not familiar with how we do entities | 12:02 |
| mdke | ok, we'll go through that quickly | 12:02 |
| mdke | essentially, when you type &printing; in a document, it looks in trunk/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C/ent (if that file is incorporated in the top of the docbook file), which in turn (if it has a "printing" entry) looks in trunk/ubuntu/menus/C/printing.xml, which provides the <menuchoice>blahblahblah</menuchoice> stuff | 12:04 |
| mdke | so it's shorthand for doing the menu entry | 12:04 |
| mdke | but more importantly, it provides a central place to change all instances of a menu entry, if one changes. | 12:04 |
| mpt | Wow, creating a new file for every menu entry | 12:05 |
| mdke | that is done manually as needed | 12:05 |
| mdke | say for example that Ubuntu decides to make gnome-control-center the default instead of having those silly System->Preferences and System->Administration menus, it will potentially make it easier to update all of our menu entries | 12:06 |
| mdke | follow me? | 12:07 |
| mpt | yep | 12:07 |
| mpt | good idea | 12:07 |
| mdke | ok. | 12:07 |
| mdke | however | 12:07 |
| mdke | send the updated version of your patch, I'll apply it, and we can work on that after | 12:07 |
| mpt | "Use &gnome-app-install; to install applications from Ubuntu’s software library,..." | 12:07 |
| mdke | that's right. Is it worth having links in the glossary to bits of the help too? | 12:08 |
| mpt | actually, this is quite easy | 12:08 |
| mpt | I'll do it now | 12:08 |
| mpt | Yes, there should be such links | 12:08 |
| mpt | I've included comments for some of them | 12:08 |
| mdke | cool | 12:09 |
| mdke | you'll need to include the new ubuntu/menus/C/*xml files in your patch in that case | 12:09 |
| mpt | GEdit doesn't syntax-highlight entities that contain dashes | 12:09 |
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| mpt | "Applications -> Add/Remove Programs"? | 12:10 |
| mpt | On my system it's "Applications" -> "Add/Remove..." | 12:10 |
| mpt | (of which we'd elide the ellipsis) | 12:10 |
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| mpt | Using entities does make the glossary code much shorter | 12:12 |
| mpt | but if (say for example) Ubuntu decided to make gnome-control-center the default instead of having those silly System->Preferences and System->Administration menus, those entities wouldn't really save us any time in that particular case :-) | 12:13 |
| mpt | We'd have a lot more to change in the relevant pages | 12:13 |
| mdke | depending on how it was implemented, yeah - that occurred to me | 12:13 |
| mdke | it was a crap example | 12:13 |
| mdke | I was just dreaming out loud | 12:14 |
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| mpt | A better example is the stuff that was moved from System Tools to various other places | 12:15 |
| mdke | don't rub in the badness of the example | 12:15 |
| mpt | sowi | 12:15 |
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| mpt | hooray, my first new entity | 12:17 |
| mpt | however, it has unwanted space after it | 12:17 |
| mpt | and I can't fix that | 12:17 |
| mdke | hmm. | 12:17 |
| mpt | because there's always a newline at the end of the entity file | 12:18 |
| mpt | and XML interprets the newline as whitespace | 12:18 |
| mdke | they *all* have unwanted space? | 12:18 |
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