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| tonyyarusso | Do we kick for ignorance.... | 12:59 |
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| maxamillion | i wish | 01:00 |
| maxamillion | well ... sometimes i wish | 01:00 |
| tonyyarusso | hehe | 01:00 |
| somerville32 | What channel? :] | 01:00 |
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| tonyyarusso | somerville32: #ubuntu | 01:00 |
| tonyyarusso | eitan: So what was the problem? | 01:01 |
| eitan | .... I don't know where I should start... | 01:01 |
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| tonyyarusso | the beginning, preferably | 01:01 |
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| eitan | ok... I'll try to be as brief as I can while giving you a picture of what is happening. | 01:01 |
| eitan | I'm a new linux user first of all. | 01:01 |
| maxamillion | time out .... | 01:02 |
| eitan | I also have a friend who had a computer that was almost dead from viruses and using windows xp. | 01:02 |
| maxamillion | not to be rude, but do we offer support from this chan? | 01:02 |
| eitan | So I decided to install ubuntu for him instead because he's very computer unsavvy. | 01:02 |
| eitan | I installed it, no problem. | 01:02 |
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| tonyyarusso | maxamillion: No - theoretically this is a problem with #ubuntu... | 01:02 |
| tonyyarusso | still waiting to see where it comes in | 01:02 |
| eitan | ... ok hold on... | 01:03 |
| nalioth | maxamillion: please wait | 01:03 |
| eitan | so the last thing I wanted to do was to transfer some files that he had on his old windows installation from one of my other pc's on a network to his new ubuntu install... | 01:03 |
| === maxamillion appologizes | ||
| eitan | I went to the ubuntu channel to learn how to do this... | 01:03 |
| eitan | someone told me to use the file sharing window | 01:04 |
| eitan | ... they told me that I should use nfs. | 01:04 |
| nalioth | eitan: you were given help many times and you refused to cooperate with the helpers | 01:04 |
| eitan | So... that's how I set it up... | 01:04 |
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| eitan | please let me finish I am speaking with tonyyarusso | 01:04 |
| nalioth | we are not gonna support your nfs / smb quest in here | 01:04 |
| nalioth | so your explanation is unnecessary | 01:05 |
| eitan | ... I am not asking the question here.. stop interrupting | 01:05 |
| nalioth | tonyyarusso: you can /lastlog eitan2 for the story | 01:05 |
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| tonyyarusso | Yeah, looking at some grep stuff. | 01:05 |
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| nalioth | tonyyarusso: you see the behavior that got everyone riled up in #ubuntu and got him a +q in there | 01:05 |
| tonyyarusso | nalioth: I think I do. We also had someone come complain about it in offtopic... | 01:06 |
| somerville32 | nalioth: What does eitan want now then? | 01:06 |
| somerville32 | It appears he isn't muted anymore in #ubuntu | 01:06 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b %eitan!*@*] by nalioth | ||
| nalioth | you guys keep an eye out | 01:08 |
| tonyyarusso | Yeah, looks like your run of the mill whiner that wants spoonfeeding :( | 01:09 |
| linux_kid | nalioth: will do! | 01:09 |
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| maxamillion | hiya Pricey | 01:10 |
| Pricey | hello :) | 01:10 |
| Pricey | seems like my BT home hub got an update today and is being dodgy | 01:10 |
| maxamillion | sounds like fun | 01:11 |
| somerville32 | maxamillion, Ummm... | 01:14 |
| somerville32 | Time to ban JKnife? | 01:14 |
| maxamillion | why so? | 01:15 |
| somerville32 | He is getting people to execute malicious code | 01:15 |
| maxamillion | erm... | 01:15 |
| nalioth | somerville32: example? | 01:17 |
| somerville32 | nalioth: :(){ :|:& }:; and fork bombs and stuff :/ | 01:18 |
| Jucato | nalioth: hi. sorry, I was sleeping... | 01:18 |
| nalioth | well, take action, somerville32 | 01:19 |
| somerville32 | The question at hand is if he was doing it again now or just explaining | 01:19 |
| somerville32 | TheSheep handled it yesterday (I wasn't there) and only gave warning | 01:19 |
| somerville32 | However, apparently vidd_laptop was a victim yesterday | 01:19 |
| somerville32 | nalioth: Did what he do violate freenode policy? | 01:23 |
| maxamillion | somerville32: what do you say we bring vidd_laptop in here and have him give imput since he was the victim | 01:24 |
| somerville32 | maxamillion, The only indication the code he provided to you was malicious was that we _know_ him | 01:24 |
| somerville32 | IF you were some innocent, eager user, you'd have rebooted already | 01:25 |
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| PingunZ | Seveas, ping | 01:25 |
| maxamillion | somerville32: hrmm.. true | 01:26 |
| somerville32 | Te question is no longer "Will we ban him?" | 01:26 |
| somerville32 | nalioth: I wouldn't argue against a two week kline or something similar | 01:26 |
| linux_kid | I say we bring in vidd_laptop | 01:27 |
| somerville32 | nalioth: Seems you've gone afk. I'm going to ask another staff member. | 01:32 |
| maxamillion | i invited vidd_laptop ... he didn't show | 01:32 |
| maxamillion | he signed off | 01:32 |
| linux_kid | could we get someone in a privte chat with JKnife? | 01:35 |
| maxamillion | somerville32: i need to go grocery shopping ... i will be back later, whatever you decide i will support | 01:35 |
| somerville32 | issue resolved. | 01:45 |
| somerville32 | tonyyarusso, ping | 02:04 |
| tonyyarusso | somerville32: pong | 02:04 |
| somerville32 | Cearaco in #ubuntu ? | 02:04 |
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| somerville32 | Keeps yelling "<ceacro> Who has SIMPLY MEPIS installed ?????" over and over | 02:05 |
| linux_kid | Cearaco is being quite annoying in #ubuntu | 02:07 |
| tonyyarusso | indeed | 02:07 |
| tonyyarusso | quiet in #ubuntu now, but hasn't yet joined #mepis... | 02:08 |
| tonyyarusso | there he is | 02:10 |
| tonyyarusso | Can I go now? ;) | 02:10 |
| tonyyarusso | linux_kid: he changed nicks | 02:10 |
| linux_kid | yes, and i bet he will be back in #ubuntu | 02:11 |
| tonyyarusso | sigh - I'll take this off later | 02:12 |
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| somerville32 | Wehre did you add the mute? | 02:12 |
| tonyyarusso | somerville32: #ubuntu, just now | 02:13 |
| tonyyarusso | Phooey - couldn't do a reason on a quiet. | 02:14 |
| tonyyarusso | script bug for later | 02:14 |
| somerville32 | tonyyarusso, login to ban tracker and make comment there? | 02:14 |
| tonyyarusso | Anyway, now I'm really off for a few hours, will be back before bed no doubt though. | 02:14 |
| tonyyarusso | somerville32: Yeah - I like the in-channel things sometimes though. | 02:14 |
| somerville32 | lol | 02:15 |
| somerville32 | He is spamming in #mepis now | 02:15 |
| tonyyarusso | yep | 02:15 |
| tonyyarusso | joy | 02:15 |
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| somerville32 | Hobbseeeee! :D | 02:15 |
| linux_kid | I feel sorry for any channel he joins | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey somerville32! | 02:17 |
| somerville32 | Hobbsee, :) | 02:17 |
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| gouki | Hi everyone! | 02:52 |
| PriceChild | hey gouki :) | 02:53 |
| nalioth | somerville32: we don't give klines for channel infractions :) | 03:10 |
| somerville32 | nalioth: Didn't seem like a channel infraction but I guess it is | 03:10 |
| nalioth | fire up #ubuntu-unregged as #ubuntu seems to be overrun with no ops | 03:10 |
| somerville32 | me? | 03:11 |
| nalioth | nobody noticed the bot floods in #ubuntu ? | 03:12 |
| somerville32 | I have | 03:12 |
| gouki | Me too. Was checking some logs and noticed that | 03:12 |
| PriceChild | * MrHell has quit ("Powered By BsB ( #BaDSTreeTBoYs )") | 03:14 |
| somerville32 | lol | 03:14 |
| PriceChild | just incase you missed him :) | 03:15 |
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| PriceChild | its empty | 03:16 |
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| TheSheep | somerville32: am I too soft? | 03:52 |
| somerville32 | TheSheep: I don't know. Am I too hard? :) | 03:53 |
| nixternal | wow, imaging someone new to our goofy world walking in during that conversation. you realise the amount of repentance that would be due for that person? | 03:54 |
| somerville32 | @lart 28 nixternal | 03:54 |
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| nixternal | ;p | 03:54 |
| Jucato | @lart Jucato | 03:54 |
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| nixternal | you know, i helped hobbsee hone in that pointy stick of doom | 03:55 |
| somerville32 | @lart 18 nixternal | 03:55 |
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| somerville32 | 0_o | 03:56 |
| Jucato | :O | 03:56 |
| TheSheep | somerville32: I did tell him to explain the code before posting it -- that was a mistake probably, I hsould have told him to never *ever* post such things under any circumstances :( | 03:57 |
| somerville32 | lol | 03:57 |
| somerville32 | Yeah, posting malicious code for execution != a good idea | 03:58 |
| TheSheep | pepole do copy-paste random things without reading... :) | 03:58 |
| somerville32 | I know I've tried things that JKnife has suggested | 03:59 |
| somerville32 | Just to see what it did | 03:59 |
| somerville32 | One would have spammed the channel with y\n for ever and ever | 03:59 |
| somerville32 | But luckily I ran it in the terminal instead of the channel, lol | 03:59 |
| TheSheep | somerville32: well, it's easier to understand if you replace : with foo (: is a valid function name) | 04:00 |
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| somerville32 | Welp... he is banned now | 04:01 |
| somerville32 | IT was hard because I consider him a "friend", I guess | 04:01 |
| somerville32 | You know... a regular | 04:01 |
| TheSheep | somerville32: I'm fearing he might get disappointed and become really malicious (as opposed to joyfully malicious so far) | 04:02 |
| somerville32 | That would be disappointing | 04:02 |
| TheSheep | he *is* a kiddie, script or not | 04:02 |
| somerville32 | It is nice to see he has an interest in programming and hacking (not to be confused with cracking) - obviously he uses the interest constructively | 04:03 |
| somerville32 | s/obviously/hopefully | 04:04 |
| nalioth | somerville32: initial "bans" should not last longer than 24 hours | 04:13 |
| nalioth | asking for a '2 week kline' is a little harsh | 04:13 |
| somerville32 | I guess I just don't have much tolerance for tricking users into executing malicious code. | 04:16 |
| nalioth | somerville32: some of us have no clue that others are not as smart as we are . . . . | 04:18 |
| nalioth | i'd not call it "tricking", i'd call it 'not thinking' | 04:18 |
| TheSheep | especially when it's about jknife ;) | 04:19 |
| somerville32 | Either way, the ban in #xubuntu-offtopic is for 1 week. I consider what he did a serious offence and he was already warned once. | 04:20 |
| somerville32 | This isn't the first time we've had issues with mr. JKnife :] | 04:20 |
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| superkirbyartist | Hello? Did you see what Bruenig did? | 04:36 |
| superkirbyartist | He gave me a command to wipe my drive! | 04:37 |
| somerville32 | channel? | 04:37 |
| superkirbyartist | #ubuntu | 04:38 |
| superkirbyartist | Somerville32, I think we have met before. | 04:40 |
| somerville32 | :] | 04:41 |
| superkirbyartist | Somerville32, can you do something about somerville32, please? | 04:42 |
| superkirbyartist | Somerville32, can you do something about bruenig, please? | 04:42 |
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| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, Alrighty. :) | 04:44 |
| superkirbyartist | So what did you tell him? | 04:44 |
| somerville32 | Doesn't matter :] | 04:45 |
| superkirbyartist | Somerville32: How did you deal with him? | 04:45 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, I gave him a warning. | 04:45 |
| superkirbyartist | Somerville32: You remind me of AIM. | 04:46 |
| somerville32 | Who is AIM? | 04:46 |
| superkirbyartist | Somerville32: AIM messenger. By the way, this was a computer that I will give to a friend. But what if this was a computer with important data? | 04:47 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, You can ask support questions in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, or #xubuntu :) | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: in the last 2 hours _no one_ has said "sudo rm" in #ubuntu | 04:49 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: except you saying you got told to run it | 04:49 |
| superkirbyartist | Amaranth: Sorry, it was a PM. Does that count? | 04:49 |
| Amaranth | Not really. | 04:49 |
| superkirbyartist | Amaranth: Regardless if it's a PM or not, he did ti. | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | Other than your claim he seems to be very helpful. | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | And what he does in a PM has _nothing_ to do with #ubuntu | 04:50 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, type: /ignore <username> ALL | 04:50 |
| somerville32 | IF you'd like to ignore someone | 04:50 |
| Jucato | superkirbyartist: this is why it's recommended that support questions and answers should be done *in* the main channel | 04:51 |
| Jucato | unless you absolutely trust the other person | 04:51 |
| Jucato | if someone gives a bad or incorrect advice/answer, other people would be around to correct | 04:51 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: Based on my logs of your messages in #ubuntu you annoyed everyone and got a nasty response to a private annoyance for help | 04:52 |
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| superkirbyartist | Amaranth: Where comes the reason to wipe my drive? | 04:54 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: That's not the point | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: 1) If was not in #ubuntu, no one will do anything about it in #ubuntu. 2) You were annoying _everyone_ and in general being a troll in #ubuntu and I'm guessing you PMed bruenig to annoy him even more and he told you to sudo rm everything. | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | And that's if I'm willing to believe he told you to do that | 04:56 |
| Amaranth | And if he did how would you suddenly know what it did? | 04:56 |
| superkirbyartist | He PMed me first. | 04:56 |
| Amaranth | That's not going to get him banned from #ubuntu | 04:56 |
| superkirbyartist | Grub error 15? | 04:57 |
| Jucato | superkirbyartist: it could be that he PM'ed you in response to what you were doing in #ubuntu | 04:57 |
| superkirbyartist | Never mind, nothing is being done to prevent drive wipes! | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: grub error 15 means the files it needs are missing | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: and nothing is being done to prevent things that didn't happen in #ubuntu | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: because in #ubuntu he is one of the great few who helps people | 04:58 |
| superkirbyartist | Amaranth: He told me to wipe my drive. | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | superkirbyartist: but not in #ubuntu | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | Do you understand the difference? | 04:58 |
| superkirbyartist | Yes, still. | 04:59 |
| superkirbyartist | Gave him a warning? | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | If you broke someone's fence in another city would you expect your parents to disown you? | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | Bad example. | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | Just because he did something somewhere else doesn't mean he should be removed from #ubuntu. He hasn't done anything wrong there. | 05:00 |
| superkirbyartist | But did you at least warn him? | 05:00 |
| Amaranth | somerville32 did | 05:00 |
| superkirbyartist | Would you let a computer hacker go to your party? | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | I'm a hacker, what are you talking about? :P | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | You're talking about a cracker. | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | And yeah, sure, he didn't do anything to me. | 05:01 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, There isn't a need to argue. Amaranth can't ban/kick him and we're not going to. | 05:01 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, I gave him a warning. If he gives you any more grief in pm, ignore him | 05:02 |
| === Jucato wish people would disambiguate hacker from cracker... | ||
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, If he gives you trouble in #ubuntu, let us know | 05:02 |
| Amaranth | Yeah, I can't do anything, I've been stripped of my op powers. | 05:02 |
| Jucato | Amaranth: why? | 05:02 |
| Amaranth | Jucato: Being an ass for a couple days in #beryl-dev | 05:03 |
| Jucato | oh heh :) | 05:03 |
| Amaranth | I wish that "not related to Ubuntu" thing would apply there. ;) | 05:03 |
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| superkirbyartist | Thank you somerville32 | 05:38 |
| somerville32 | np | 05:38 |
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| superkirbyartist | Why am I still banned from #ubuntu | 05:41 |
| somerville32 | You're not banned | 05:42 |
| somerville32 | You're muted | 05:42 |
| superkirbyartist | Why is that? | 05:42 |
| somerville32 | I'm not sure. | 05:43 |
| somerville32 | Ask crimsun | 05:43 |
| superkirbyartist | crimsun: Why am I muted? | 05:43 |
| === rob doesn't suspect he'll answer now.. | ||
| superkirbyartist | He's out of the house. | 05:43 |
| superkirbyartist | !hello | 05:43 |
| ubotu | hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB | 05:43 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, I'm sure if you ask nicely, an op in #ubuntu will unban you. | 05:44 |
| superkirbyartist | I am sorry for spamming on the #ubuntu, and I get so impatient at times, because it seems no one wants to help me. I'll try to be more patient and polite. I would like someone to unban me. | 05:45 |
| somerville32 | "unmute" you, you mean | 05:46 |
| somerville32 | You aren't banned | 05:46 |
| superkirbyartist | Yes. | 05:46 |
| somerville32 | :) | 05:46 |
| rob | superkirbyartist: if no one answers you, it means nobody knows the answer to your question | 05:46 |
| rob | (that is currently around, at least) | 05:47 |
| nalioth | next time, superkirbyartist, it won't be so easy | 05:47 |
| superkirbyartist | Rob, it's hard to accept sometimes. It's hard. It's not impossible. | 05:47 |
| somerville32 | superkirbyartist, If you get frustrated in the future. Try taking a break or trying another support channel. | 05:47 |
| rob | there you go, nalioth unbanned you | 05:47 |
| === rob O_o's at #ubuntu | ||
| superkirbyartist | What does nalioth mean by not so easy? | 05:49 |
| rob | odd guy | 05:50 |
| nixternal | heh | 05:56 |
| nixternal | aren't they all? | 05:56 |
| === somerville32 knows he is. | ||
| nixternal | i put the odd in .... | 05:58 |
| nixternal | umm odd i guess :) | 05:58 |
| === Jucato is very certain nixternal is odd... | ||
| nixternal | thanks | 06:07 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:08 |
| nalioth | nixternal: IS odd | 06:08 |
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| nalioth | how else can you explain him leaving all those ignorant savages out in the cold? | 06:08 |
| Jucato | hehe | 06:08 |
| nixternal | i wasn't letting them in to suck up my expensive heating bill | 06:08 |
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| somerville32 | tonyyarusso, ping | 08:14 |
| tonyyarusso | somerville32: pong | 08:14 |
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| somerville32 | see pm | 08:14 |
| === gouki is going to bed! Night 'all! | ||
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| Amaranth | sorry, setting something up | 08:19 |
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| ubotu | In #ubuntuforums, Amaranth said: !chaos is <reply> "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams | 09:22 |
| Amaranth | bleh, forgot i'm not an editor anymore | 09:22 |
| Jucato | lol | 09:24 |
| gouki | Oww! Bad move by aualin on #ubuntu :S | 09:25 |
| tonyyarusso | Yeah - he's being nice about it though :) | 09:25 |
| tonyyarusso | Last time that happened they got snotty and someone had to ban the owner too. | 09:26 |
| gouki | Heh | 09:26 |
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| ubotu | In #ubuntu, kporter said: !ask is there an equivilent to service network restart? | 10:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | should the !paste factoid have ` - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)` at the end? it doesnt seem particularly helpful | 10:09 |
| tonyyarusso | !paste | 10:09 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 10:09 |
| somerville32 | !bot > kporter | 10:10 |
| tonyyarusso | Kamping_Kaiser: Oh, actually, yes. Sometimes the pastebin goes down and the topic will say a backup even if the factoid doesn't. | 10:10 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i would think putting the backup in the factoid would be better then asking people to join #Ubuntu to find out that the psatebin is down | 10:11 |
| tonyyarusso | Kamping_Kaiser: Probably true. | 10:11 |
| somerville32 | !no, paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste). Backup pastebin: http://pastebin.ca | 10:13 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that, somerville32 | 10:13 |
| somerville32 | !no, paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste). Backup pastebin: http://pastebin.ca | 10:13 |
| ubotu | Nothing changed there | 10:13 |
| somerville32 | better? | 10:14 |
| Amaranth | it seemingly ignores extra whitespace | 10:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yes, thanks. | 10:14 |
| Amaranth | !paste | 10:14 |
| ubotu | paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste). Backup pastebin: http://pastebin.ca | 10:14 |
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| Seveas | !paste =~ s/. Ba.*// | 10:30 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that, Seveas | 10:30 |
| Seveas | pastebin shouldn't go down anymore | 10:31 |
| tonyyarusso | :) | 10:31 |
| tonyyarusso | that's good | 10:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 10:32 |
| somerville32 | seveas =~ s/. S.*// | 10:47 |
| === somerville32 phears the pastebin monopoly. | ||
| elkbuntu | !seveas | 11:16 |
| ubotu | Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages | 11:16 |
| elkbuntu | lucky it didnt edit that : | 11:17 |
| Seveas | %removeeditor somerville32 | 11:17 |
| ubotu | OK | 11:17 |
| Seveas | :p | 11:17 |
| somerville32 | : O | 11:17 |
| somerville32 | %editors | 11:17 |
| ubotu | Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul | 11:17 |
| === somerville32 feels... naked. | ||
| === Seveas looks away | ||
| Jucato | :O | 11:17 |
| somerville32 | %delowner seveas | 11:18 |
| somerville32 | : ( | 11:18 |
| === Hobbsee beats somerville32 | ||
| somerville32 | ubotu: Don't listen to Seveas. Doesn't our relationship mean anything? :( | 11:18 |
| === Jucato dares... | ||
| Jucato | @lart Hobbsee | 11:18 |
| === Ubugtu makes Jack Bauer chase Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | @lart Jucato | 11:18 |
| === Ubugtu pours hot grits down the front of Jucato's pants | ||
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| === Jucato was kicked off #ubuntu-ops by Hobbsee (You should know better. Bye!) | ||
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| Jucato | :P | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 11:19 |
| Jucato | I'm not brave enough :) | 11:19 |
| Jucato | might get scolded too :) | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | nah, i doubt it | 11:21 |
| somerville32 | Jucato: Don't fool yourself. No one scolded Hobbsee while you were gone. We're all afraid of lart 28 | 11:24 |
| Jucato | :D | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:25 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | heh | 11:27 |
| jenda | Op Wars, Episode III? | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | only III? | 11:29 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | 4-6 arnt as good quality ;) | 11:29 |
| jenda | I was lazy to write them all down, so I invented my own numbering system. | 11:29 |
| jenda | III means a lot. | 11:29 |
| Jucato | Episode LIII? | 11:30 |
| jenda | I means one, II means some, III means a bunch, IV is an uncountable amount and V is infinity. | 11:30 |
| jenda | It's all I need. | 11:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | its all one need? :) | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 11:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ;) | 11:32 |
| Jucato | heh I didn't get that immediately :) | 11:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 11:34 |
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| === Hobbsee feeds somerville32 more memory | ||
| somerville32 | Yum! | 11:37 |
| Jucato | heh like botsnack :) | 11:38 |
| somerville32 | I just spent all night teaching someone how to "program" | 11:39 |
| somerville32 | I'm being way too thorough | 11:39 |
| Jucato | in what? | 11:39 |
| somerville32 | LPC | 11:39 |
| somerville32 | Lets goto -offtopic | 11:39 |
| somerville32 | Actually | 11:40 |
| somerville32 | I'm going to bed | 11:40 |
| === somerville32 waves. | ||
| Jucato | 'night! | 11:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol. night | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | night somerville32 | 11:40 |
| === somerville32 hugs Hobbsee. | ||
| === Jucato hugs Hobbsee for no reason whatsoever | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:41 |
| === Kamping_Kaiser feels left out | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs both of you back | ||
| === Jucato feels all warm and fuzzy | ||
| === somerville32 loves memoserv. | ||
| jenda | PLease watch Yavee | 12:31 |
| jenda | nevermind, left. | 12:31 |
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| elkbuntu | :) | 01:17 |
| Jucato | :O | 01:17 |
| === elkbuntu hugs `6og | ||
| `6og | :) | 01:17 |
| `6og | Jucato, :o to you to :P | 01:18 |
| === Hobbsee tells `6og to go back to being kaiser. | ||
| === `6og tells Hobbsee he was forced to change his nic! | ||
| `6og | elkbuntu, was there! | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 01:19 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, someone stole the ka namespace in a channel... trying to talk to him was annoying | 01:20 |
| `6og | :) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 01:21 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: are you around by chance? | 01:21 |
| `6og | and back tick is less anoying then typing kam :) | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | after the time it takes to find it on my keyboard... | 01:23 |
| `6og | its next to 1 :) | 01:24 |
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| gnomefreak | yay another kernel i wont beable to boot to :( | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: why? | 01:48 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: no l-r-m for it yet. and its a good test for the new initramfs-tools | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: ahh. there is for the latest kernel though, i thoguth | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | well, you can download the binaries anyway | 01:49 |
| gnomefreak | initramfs-tools has been a big pain in the butt with feisty | 01:49 |
| gnomefreak | l-r-m are being held back waiting for nvidia-glx and other things to get uploaded | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | there are binaries of that too, arent there? | 01:50 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: maybe in bens kernel site but i dont know what has been built yet | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | on LP was what i meant | 01:52 |
| gnomefreak | oh didnt evvent hink about LP | 01:53 |
| gnomefreak | even | 01:53 |
| gnomefreak | think | 01:53 |
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| imbrandon | gnomefreak, pong | 02:51 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: is beryol 1.2 gonna be final in feisty? | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | no, 1.4+ | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | there are some lic issues i'm having them clear up before some more of it can be uploaded though | 02:53 |
| gnomefreak | ok cool ty :) | 02:53 |
| PriceChild | imbrandon: 1.4? | 02:56 |
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| DBO | we'll let them talk again in a bit... | 03:54 |
| PriceChild | hehe :) | 03:55 |
| DBO | -_- | 04:00 |
| nalioth | you guys know to watch for the cat, right? | 04:01 |
| DBO | the cat? | 04:01 |
| nalioth | user named ^_^ | 04:01 |
| DBO | ah no I did not | 04:02 |
| nalioth | nasty troll | 04:02 |
| nalioth | hasn't done anything in #ubuntu yes that i know of | 04:02 |
| nalioth | but has been plenty busy elsewhere | 04:02 |
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| === PriceChild wonders whether something should be done about the confusing channel name #ubuntu-xgl | ||
| PriceChild | someone just claimed that aiglx questions weren't dealt with there | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | DBO: you around? | 06:31 |
| DBO | gnomefreak, sure | 06:32 |
| DBO | whats up?> | 06:32 |
| gnomefreak | what do you think fowarding -xgl to -effects and if we need to to come up with another channel and get rid of -xgl | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | and just carry topic and access list over if possible. everybody complains about everything but im seeing the -xgl is for xgl only thing way too much :( | 06:34 |
| DBO | im ok with that | 06:34 |
| DBO | I have to run again | 06:36 |
| DBO | work | 06:36 |
| DBO | later | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | DBO: i believe you or seveas have to do it | 06:36 |
| gnomefreak | have fun | 06:36 |
| DBO | i think seveas has to actually | 06:37 |
| gnomefreak | ok ill ping him later about it | 06:37 |
| nalioth | who 'owns' the channel? | 06:39 |
| gnomefreak | seveas is contact in -xgl and DBO in -effects | 06:39 |
| gnomefreak | owns im not sure anymore | 06:39 |
| nalioth | DBO can fill out the access list in -effects while waiting | 06:40 |
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| gnomefreak | info doesnt give owner just contacts | 06:40 |
| DBO | I will take care of that when I have a couple free moments | 06:40 |
| DBO | gotta take care of this stuff first | 06:41 |
| nalioth | gnomefreak: contact = owner | 06:41 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 06:41 |
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| gnomefreak | nixternal: you can add meeting to fridge still right? | 07:25 |
| nixternal | ya | 07:25 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: can you add one for us | 07:25 |
| nixternal | sure can | 07:25 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: sunday jan 7th at 1800UTC nun meeting | 07:26 |
| gnomefreak | in -meeting ofcourse :) | 07:26 |
| === PriceChild wonders if nixternal will mind me bugging him in the future to add FC meetings | ||
| nixternal | PriceChild: just ping me if you need something added | 07:27 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: for 100 USD ill have it added :) | 07:27 |
| PriceChild | I think I'll go with nixterna l :P | 07:27 |
| nixternal | gnomefreak: is there an agenda? | 07:27 |
| PriceChild | we've got our first 2 meetings on anyway... | 07:27 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: asking now | 07:28 |
| gnomefreak | nixternal: general agenda for now? | 07:31 |
| nixternal | just a link to a wiki page where youw ill add the agenda is fine | 07:31 |
| gnomefreak | ok give me a bit on that we have a site but there isnt anything there about agenda so i have to find out what we nee dto do either wikify it or make it on site i have | 07:33 |
| nixternal | gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda | 07:33 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 07:33 |
| gnomefreak | that wilkl work i guess | 07:34 |
| nixternal | ok | 07:34 |
| nixternal | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/704 | 07:35 |
| nixternal | done | 07:35 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 07:35 |
| nixternal | no prob | 07:35 |
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| esaym | What is the deal with the "exploit" in #ubuntu | 07:59 |
| esaym | I changed my port from 6667 to 8001 | 07:59 |
| esaym | I guess I'm fixed? | 08:00 |
| nalioth | esaym: join me in #moderation please | 08:00 |
| nalioth | esaym: you're good now :) thanks for your patience :) | 08:03 |
| esaym | how was I flagged for the exploit? | 08:03 |
| esaym | Is it an automatic script? | 08:04 |
| nalioth | usually in temporal proximity to the exploiter | 08:04 |
| esaym | Well I connect and disconnect alot on my own. Would I be flagged for that? | 08:05 |
| nalioth | nope | 08:07 |
| nalioth | must have been coincidence | 08:07 |
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| ubotu | In #ubuntu, Zelda said: !beryl is cool | 09:37 |
| Music_Shuffle | ... | 09:41 |
| nixternal | err beryl is crap! :) | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | nixternal: hehe | 09:46 |
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| sebastean | Hello, I need help with a LoCo:s irc channel. I guess I am at the right place? | 09:48 |
| Amaranth | What channel is it? | 09:48 |
| nalioth | sebastean: what help is that? | 09:48 |
| tonyyarusso | sebastean: Maybe? | 09:48 |
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| sebastean | Our channel has been hijacked.. | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | #ubuntu-se? | 09:49 |
| sebastean | thats right | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo is active there, he is the alternative contact for the channel | 09:50 |
| Amaranth | What's the problem? | 09:50 |
| nalioth | hijacked? | 09:51 |
| sebastean | it is not under control of the Swedish LoCo | 09:51 |
| sebastean | nafall is alt contact and ozamosi is contact | 09:52 |
| tonyyarusso | And they are not approved by the team itself? | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | You're saying this channel existed before the LoCo and now you want control of it? | 09:53 |
| sebastean | tonyyaarusso: Know they are not | 09:54 |
| sebastean | Amaranth: it is the the Locos official chanel | 09:54 |
| sebastean | *no, I meant | 09:54 |
| tonyyarusso | nalioth: surely we have a process for that? | 09:55 |
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| nalioth | yes, it's named Seveas | 09:55 |
| PriceChild | lol | 09:55 |
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| tonyyarusso | Figured | 09:55 |
| Nafallo | what's happening here? :-) | 09:55 |
| Amaranth | Alright, I think we have everyone here now | 09:55 |
| sebastean | yes | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | So, perhaps we can start talking? :) | 09:57 |
| Amaranth | sebastean claims Nafallo and ozamosi have "hijacked" the LoCo's channel | 09:57 |
| Amaranth | What do you guys say? | 09:57 |
| sebastean | The channel is not Nafollo's, not ozamosi's, not mine, but the Swedish LoCo's. An I am the elected leader of Ubuntu Sweden. Nafollo or ozamosi are not. | 09:57 |
| Nafallo | what has that to do with who founded the channel? | 09:58 |
| sebastean | Nafallo and ozamosi are not elected or chosen in any way by Ubuntu Sweden | 09:58 |
| Nafallo | I am still the elected admin if we are going to be harsh... | 09:59 |
| ozamosi | I am the channel's founder, and I've always been. | 09:59 |
| Nafallo | #ubuntu.se predates the LoCo and have since changed name to #ubuntu-se. | 09:59 |
| sebastean | Nafallo: I don't know the rules. But if nafallo and ozamosi will stay contact for the channel, it will not be the swedish LoCo's channel. | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | sebastean: Why all of this now? | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | I'm guessing the LoCo team has been around for awhile | 10:00 |
| sebastean | Amaranth: ozamosi and his friend PsySine were banned from the forum. | 10:00 |
| ozamosi | PsySine also controls the channel, I might add. | 10:01 |
| ozamosi | But he's not at a computer untill monday. | 10:01 |
| Amaranth | And PsySine banned you from the channel, what was the cause of that? | 10:01 |
| PriceChild | why were they banned sebastean ? | 10:01 |
| Amaranth | And why were they banned from the forum? | 10:01 |
| PriceChild | jinx! :) | 10:01 |
| ozamosi | PsySine has told sebastean that sebastean will be allowed to enter the channel, when PsySine is allowed to read the forums again. | 10:02 |
| sebastean | Amaranth: They broke the roles | 10:02 |
| tonyyarusso | Um, revenge banning isn't very cool. | 10:03 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: you still haven't explained in any way which rules PsySine violated. | 10:03 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: the "motivation" was a quote from something he wrote, without any explanation | 10:04 |
| Nafallo | tonyyarusso: agreed. but I can see why in the recent events. many long time contributors have been banned from the forum and most posts get moderated more than what's needed. | 10:04 |
| Nafallo | when someone tells them to stop they get banned :-P | 10:04 |
| tonyyarusso | Nafallo: Yeah - I'm not qualified to make any judgements about the original bans, but also not very impressed with where it went from there. | 10:05 |
| tonyyarusso | sebastean, Nafallo, ozamosi: Has anyone spoken to Jono yet? | 10:05 |
| Nafallo | tonyyarusso: nope. I've been thinking about it, but hold back to see if we could resolve it. | 10:06 |
| sebastean | ozamosi: I quoted the text PsySine had written in the forum and sent it to his e-mail. To me it was obvious what the problem were. If it was not to him, he should have asked me by e-mail. | 10:06 |
| tonyyarusso | Nafallo: okay. If nothing improves from today, he might be a useful moderator. | 10:06 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: he's asked on the email list... | 10:06 |
| Nafallo | tonyyarusso: agreed. jono, and if that doesn't work we WILL bring it to the CC :-) | 10:06 |
| Amaranth | I certainly hope it doesn't come to that | 10:07 |
| tonyyarusso | me too | 10:07 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: same here. that's why I'm mostly observing for the moment :-) | 10:07 |
| tonyyarusso | sebastean: Does the LoCo team have someone else they would prefer be the contact for the channel? | 10:08 |
| sebastean | tonyyarusso: yes, Louie', and he would not ban either of us if we were respekting each other. | 10:09 |
| sebastean | *respecting | 10:09 |
| tonyyarusso | Just making sure there's someone in line that's been "approved" (whatever that entails) | 10:09 |
| Nafallo | if the ban is everything I can remove it. is there another reason why not the guys who did form the whole LoCo right of the sudden have been "bad people"? :-) | 10:10 |
| ozamosi | I need to walk our dogs right now, so I'll let Nafallo speak for me. | 10:11 |
| sebastean | Nafallo; It's not about the ban, it's about the the channel should be in control of the LoCo, not on it's own.. | 10:11 |
| Nafallo | ozamosi: okidoki. I'll keep you informed. | 10:11 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: which people do you count as the LoCo then? | 10:12 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: since I thought both me and oz where LoCo-people... | 10:12 |
| sebastean | Nafallo: people voting on the official meeting | 10:12 |
| Nafallo | I've done that :-) | 10:12 |
| Nafallo | I've been secretary and head of meetings as well... | 10:13 |
| sebastean | Nafallo: the meeting has not given you any athority | 10:13 |
| Amaranth | Seems we have some higher level authority problems here as well. | 10:13 |
| sebastean | Amaranth: We have an official meeting that decides things, I guess there's no athority problem | 10:14 |
| Nafallo | aha. you mean like that. have anyone? otherwise I'm elected admin on the very first meeting, and I don't think there have been a vote against it. | 10:14 |
| Amaranth | I think you guys should talk to jono ASAP if you can't sort this out on your own but for now I would recommend unbanning sebastean from the channel. If you have a problem with him later that's actually _in_ the channel that's a reason to ban him. | 10:14 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: right. | 10:15 |
| Nafallo | doner | 10:15 |
| Nafallo | done even :-) | 10:15 |
| sebastean | Amaranth: Ok we will do so. | 10:15 |
| nalioth | :) | 10:15 |
| nalioth | we are all adults here. :) | 10:15 |
| Nafallo | I would like to ask to unban PsySine and ozamosi from the forum as well :-) | 10:16 |
| Nafallo | they haven't even recieved a warning before just being banned without any explanation. | 10:16 |
| tonyyarusso | Seems like a fair trade to me. | 10:16 |
| tonyyarusso | Dunno about forums, but most of our bans are only 24 hours anyway. | 10:17 |
| Amaranth | PriceChild knows about forums :) | 10:17 |
| PriceChild | Hello :) | 10:17 |
| Nafallo | hi PriceChild :-) | 10:17 |
| sebastean | tonyyarusso: But we can't have peaple using offensive swearing at the forum. | 10:18 |
| sebastean | tonyyarusso: and showing respect in other matters as well | 10:19 |
| Amaranth | sebastean: Doing it once isn't deserving of a ban though. You're supposed to warn them and/or edit their post to remove the swearing | 10:19 |
| tonyyarusso | sebastean: Agreed. Second chances is all I'm recommending, so we can start fresh. | 10:19 |
| PriceChild | consistent rule breaking should result in moderation first | 10:19 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: but we can have everyone banned without warnings? when you got banned from the channel without warning, how did you react? | 10:20 |
| PriceChild | do you have a good set of clear rules and guidelines for both members & moderators | 10:20 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: He PMed me. ;) | 10:20 |
| sebastean | PriceChild: even if it was offensive swearing toward another person? | 10:20 |
| PriceChild | sebastean: yes | 10:20 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: when was that? he was banned from yesterday... 24h I would guess. | 10:21 |
| PriceChild | sebastean: if not.... you should have VERY CLEAR guidelines publically availiable saying this would result in a ban immediately? | 10:21 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: he just did it | 10:21 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: oki :-) | 10:21 |
| Amaranth | right before i joined #ubuntu-se | 10:21 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: ah. you're there as well :-) | 10:21 |
| sebastean | PriceChild: And if someone get unbanned and still don's give respect to other member? | 10:21 |
| Amaranth | Which is kind of funny, I have absolutely no power to do anything. I'm not even an op in the english channels anymore. :) | 10:21 |
| sebastean | *show | 10:22 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: then you ask them why first.. | 10:22 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: common sense and humanity to one another. | 10:22 |
| PriceChild | sebastean: once placed under moderation, on ubuntuforums.org we see three types of people... 1. they disappear 2. They apologise and are on almost best behaviour 3. their true troll comes out and they eventually deserve a full ban | 10:23 |
| Nafallo | PriceChild: eventually being a magic word I guess :-) | 10:23 |
| PriceChild | sebastean: you really need to set these rules down on the forums, maybe take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy for ideas | 10:24 |
| PriceChild | I know how annoying it sounds to have to document this, but if you've a solid set of publically approved guidelines, then you're laughing | 10:24 |
| Nafallo | also something often said is that the rules are agreed on when you join the forums... but they've changed a lot since for example ozamosi joined (first user, no rules) :-) | 10:25 |
| sebastean | Nafallo: To me there can not be any valid reason for offensive swearing towards another person. But I will have VERY CLEAR guidelines publically availiable saying this would result in a ban immediately. And if nafallo and oz promise to follow the guidelines, the might be unbanned, but this decion must be taken by the forum admin. I will talk to him. | 10:25 |
| PriceChild | sebastean: no, it should be taken and approved by the whole community IMO | 10:26 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: not me. I hate forumes. PsySine. and the rules should be agreed upon on a members meeting. | 10:26 |
| Nafallo | if the leader sets the rules in stone, it is not a democracy anymore... | 10:27 |
| === gnomefreak has to admit the forums seem to be straightening up a bit in the last month or 2 | ||
| sebastean | PriceChild: the guidelines yes, but I am talking about the ban | 10:27 |
| Nafallo | hi gnomefreak :-) | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | hi | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | it would still be a democracy | 10:27 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: ubuntuforums.org? | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | yeah | 10:27 |
| PriceChild | yay :) | 10:27 |
| ozamosi | I'm back | 10:28 |
| === gnomefreak runs | ||
| gnomefreak | ;) | 10:28 |
| Nafallo | lol | 10:28 |
| gnomefreak | the constition is in a democratic socity and it is writen in stone (hasnt been changed in god knows how long) they just revise small sections when there is a need | 10:29 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: aren't you a moderator as well? You can unban us if you want to... | 10:29 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: one person haven't written that in stone himself? :-) | 10:30 |
| sebastean | ozamosi: yes, but it is the admins decision to make, not mine | 10:30 |
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| gnomefreak | Nafallo: it was voted on by a group | 10:30 |
| sebastean | gnomefreak: there has been a thread at the forum for one week diskussion the rules. | 10:30 |
| gnomefreak | Nafallo: as any rules/guidelines need to be | 10:30 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: well... One could argue that since I'm the founder of the irc channel, Nafallo can't unban you either... | 10:30 |
| sebastean | ozamosi: this is not fare arguing | 10:31 |
| gnomefreak | didnt it used to be #ubuntu-forums? | 10:31 |
| === gnomefreak thought jenda "founded" #ubuntuforums | ||
| PriceChild | #ubuntuforums | 10:32 |
| PriceChild | it was zenwhen | 10:32 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: perhaps not. I just want to be able to read what you say in the forums without resorting to ssh tunnels and links, simply because you've banned my ip | 10:32 |
| sebastean | I will do some thinking. And I think I will contact Jono to guide me. Thank you everybady for your help. | 10:33 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: although me and jenda have 30 and are both contacts for the staff channel | 10:33 |
| gnomefreak | ozamosi: you are banned from the forums or from the irc channel? | 10:33 |
| ozamosi | gnomefreak: the forums | 10:33 |
| gnomefreak | than why is this even in here? | 10:33 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: does the forums.org have a place to debate bans from that address? | 10:34 |
| ozamosi | Nafallo asked for me and PsySine to be unbaned from the forums if sebastean got unbaned from the irc channel. But I'll take this somewhere else. | 10:34 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: we have the resolution center? | 10:34 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: you do? | 10:34 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: ozamosi, the former contactperson and the dude who made most work yet for the LoCo criticised the new leaders way of moderating and banning people for not big reasons. | 10:34 |
| PriceChild | http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=123 | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: the new leaders got pissed and banned him... something like that :-) | 10:35 |
| gnomefreak | new leaders? | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | yea. seems sebastean like "leader" better than "contact" :-) | 10:36 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: wouldnt his ban go that far as it is ubuntuforums.org? | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | but the title have been voted on so... *drops it* | 10:37 |
| === gnomefreak sees leader as being higher than anyone else but i think ubuntu is all about being equal but not my argument | ||
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: I would argue that Seveas is your leader | 10:37 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: I agree with you fwiw. that's why I've always argued against the damn word in the LoCo :-P | 10:38 |
| gnomefreak | why does forums bans have to do with #channel bans on differnet people | 10:38 |
| Amaranth | Well, now you have a council | 10:38 |
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: that part has been fixed | 10:38 |
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: no one is currently banned in a channel because of a forum :) | 10:38 |
| gnomefreak | i would hope not lol | 10:39 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: I've always wondered about that too :P We haven't actually banned anyone (except for spammers) for a while really | 10:39 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: afaik moderation has always worked | 10:39 |
| Nafallo | PriceChild: good. that's how it should work :-) | 10:39 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: I'll bring that up at the forums council on tues :) | 10:39 |
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: The part we're trying to fix now is what caused the channel ban to begin with. sebastean banned several of the main IRC folks from the forums | 10:39 |
| Amaranth | Why do forums and IRC always have to clash? :) | 10:39 |
| PriceChild | Amaranth: what about mailing lists? ;) | 10:40 |
| gnomefreak | we shouldnt | 10:40 |
| gnomefreak | does that mean i can ban anyone in here from forums? | 10:40 |
| Amaranth | PriceChild: forums and mailing lists should have no direct or indirect connection of any kind :P | 10:40 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: not just IRC. ozamosi was our everything. admin for server, wiki, forums, sql, contact, translator, supportstaff etc... :-) | 10:40 |
| sebastean | gnomefreak: here's the log from before you logged in: http://pastebin.se/5404 . If you have any questins, just write my name. Anyway I will be talking to Jona to be guided. | 10:40 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: Then why is sebastean the LoCo contact and now ozamosi? | 10:41 |
| Amaranth | err, not* | 10:41 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: ozamosi started on the damn university and hadn't got time anymore :-/ | 10:41 |
| Amaranth | sebastean: jono :) | 10:41 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: Ah, that happens to the best of us | 10:41 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: :-) | 10:41 |
| === Amaranth is on winter break | ||
| === gnomefreak reads this as a revenge ban and if it is than the banner has broken rules of an operator and the bans should be revoked by a staffer. but anyone that is gonna say this is right or wrong is gonna need the direct logs of what happened | ||
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: watch IMMORTAL in #ubuntu :P | 10:46 |
| Amaranth | That ban has been removed | 10:46 |
| gnomefreak | but the logs from this channel say nothing about what rules were broken | 10:47 |
| PriceChild | please :) | 10:47 |
| Amaranth | The problem now is that sebastean is the Swedish LoCo contact and he wants control of the channel. Apparently he kicked Nafallo and friends out of the LoCo. They are the ones that started the channel | 10:47 |
| Nafallo | and the LoCo :-) | 10:48 |
| Amaranth | That kind of thing is really a jono/Seveas issue, outside of our jurisdiction. :) | 10:48 |
| Nafallo | I won't lend over the control until he proven worthy by moderating the forum correctly though... | 10:48 |
| Nafallo | I can say that right now. | 10:49 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: actually... that wasn't the whole truth :-) | 10:50 |
| Nafallo | sebastean did for some reason op himself in the channel right out of sudden. | 10:50 |
| Nafallo | people got scared. | 10:51 |
| Nafallo | I for instance oped myself seconds after... | 10:51 |
| Nafallo | when asked why, he didn't answer. and PsySine got banned from the forums for not answering who was the contact for the channel (atleast some of us guess that's the reason). that's when he banned him (after removing his ChanServ access) | 10:52 |
| Nafallo | and I can say I wouldn't have answered either when he comes and say he DEMANDS an answer as the leader :-P | 10:53 |
| sebastean | Nafallo says: "and the LoCo" But no one are (and have not been) banned from anything except the forum (I and I guess just I was banned from the IRC), not the maillist, not the wiki. | 10:54 |
| sebastean | "Amaranth: The problem now is that sebastean is the Swedish LoCo contact and he wants control of the channel. Apparently he kicked Nafallo and friends out of the LoCo. They are the ones that started the channel" | 10:55 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: well, nobody used the mailing list untill they were baned from the forum... | 10:57 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: ehrm... I'm here. I have backlog. when you say the LoCo have no control over the channel that implies the three with access levels are not part of the LoCo :-). | 10:57 |
| sebastean | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-se/ | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: yepp. that's in Swedish :-) | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | OMG | 10:59 |
| === Nafallo reads the new mail | ||
| sebastean | Nafallo and ozamosi: As I sad I will do some thinking, and then contact Jono. I guess I have nothing more to say for now. | 11:00 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: whatabout raising the forum bans? | 11:00 |
| sebastean | ozamosi: msg me and we could talk about that | 11:01 |
| ozamosi | No warning, has been more than 24 hours, and we all have IP bans. | 11:01 |
| Nafallo | ozamosi: I think we have better chances with summon an admin and make him hack SQL than get sebastean to unban :-( | 11:02 |
| Nafallo | I'm sorry it had to go this far | 11:02 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: you just said you were going to as soon as you had spoken to the forum admin. Now, you need to speak to me instead? | 11:02 |
| sebastean | msg me if you want to talk about this | 11:03 |
| Nafallo | sebastean: *sigh* could you please stop moving the discussions to query/your mobile all the time? starts to get annoying to not be able to talk about ANY problems out in the open. | 11:04 |
| ozamosi | sebastean: you can come into #ubuntu-se, and we can continue. | 11:06 |
| sebastean | ozamosi: I am talking to the forumadmin in phone | 11:10 |
| gnomefreak | Nafallo: i dont think youll find jono much before monday | 11:11 |
| gnomefreak | atleast an active jono | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: damn :-/. the situation is inflammable as hell. it's like sitting with a living, running, human torch running around you :-/ | 11:12 |
| gnomefreak | its 8-9 pm where he is on friday night. he gets weekends off afaik | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | wow :-P | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | I thought he worked for Canonical ;-) | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | i dont see any reason this cant be settled within the forums admins | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | he does | 11:13 |
| Nafallo | just pulling your leg :-) | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 11:13 |
| sebastean | gnomefreak: thank you | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | although some of the other employees are still working | 11:13 |
| Nafallo | I hope it can... but sebastean sent a mail declaring #ubuntusverige as the official loco-channel ;-) | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | yw | 11:13 |
| ozamosi | Nafallo: yes... That makes me wonder why we're here at all : | 11:14 |
| Nafallo | something still seems very much broken... :-) | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | forums should have no rank on IRC channels other than thier own so that is a seperate issue in my eyes | 11:14 |
| === gnomefreak really thinks there should be a channel for forum admins and complaints like this channel for irc | ||
| gnomefreak | to debate forum.org bans ;) | 11:15 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: it's the swedish loco forum... :-) | 11:15 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 11:15 |
| === gnomefreak yells for naliot^h clean this crap up please so our day can go on ;) | ||
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: haha! :-D | 11:16 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: we need jono, not nalioth ;-) | 11:16 |
| === PriceChild 's reasonably sure jono's off down under giving talks | ||
| Nafallo | sebastean, ozamosi: gentlemen, may we leave this room now? :-) | 11:17 |
| gnomefreak | Nafallo: you have one here the other is away for 3 days (i guess you would need to wait than) | 11:17 |
| Nafallo | PriceChild: yea. will catch him next week :-) | 11:17 |
| nalioth | gentlemen, you can wait for seveas and/or jono in #ubuntu-admin | 11:17 |
| gnomefreak | there is a channel | 11:17 |
| gnomefreak | :( | 11:18 |
| Nafallo | Seveas? :-) | 11:18 |
| PriceChild | ah no that's next week (leaves on 12th) | 11:18 |
| gnomefreak | Nafallo: seveas is head of IRC | 11:18 |
| gnomefreak | in a sense | 11:18 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: ah. we need loco-help :-) | 11:18 |
| Nafallo | I'll catch jono when I see him then :-) | 11:18 |
| gnomefreak | i think he is in someway attached to all #ubuntu-* channels | 11:18 |
| gnomefreak | or atleast 50 or so | 11:18 |
| === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has left #ubuntu-ops ["adjourned"] | ||
| nalioth | no takers? | 11:23 |
| === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Ex-Chat"] | ||
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: you around? | 12:00 |
| PriceChild | hey gnomefreak | 12:00 |
| gnomefreak | oh nvm im too lost | 12:01 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: we're changing our policies on bannings as we speak :) Getting something sorted for access to res center only :D | 12:01 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: go on what's up? | 12:01 |
| === gnomefreak confused with forums and ubuntu-se bans being connected in any way | ||
| gnomefreak | forums should have apanel of a few people (maybe what is being voted on is this) that handle these issues | 12:02 |
| gnomefreak | thought it was decided already but like i said im lost | 12:02 |
| PriceChild | gnomefreak: that's the admins place.... the mods handle the day to day running of the forums in general. The admins are the only people allowed to respond in the RC | 12:03 |
| PriceChild | oh and I was just suggesting ways to fix the issues they're facing, they didn't have any set rules or guidelines really | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | k and teh #ubuntu-se is different peopl different issues? | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | the forums do now | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | we voted on them they better be using them | 12:04 |
| PriceChild | yeah #ubuntu-se is completely seperate and with own forums | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | se has their own forums? | 12:04 |
| PriceChild | yeah | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | omg | 12:05 |
| PriceChild | that's the big issue :) | 12:05 |
| PriceChild | they were exchanging bans between the se forums and -se | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | is it a ubuntuforums.org site? | 12:05 |
| PriceChild | nope | 12:05 |
| PriceChild | completely separate | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | is it official? | 12:05 |
| PriceChild | I was just called in by A maranth to give advice as I'm " a forums guy" :P | 12:05 |
| PriceChild | I'm not sure | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | the people involved would need to understand what people do on forums may not be the same as irc channela nd the bans shouldnt be interchangable at all. but thats IMHO | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | just like #ubuntu bans are only in #ubuntu | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | they have to screw up again in a different place to be banned from there | 12:07 |
| === gnomefreak thinks some should just be along the board bans but eh | ||
| PriceChild | Every situation is different :) | 12:10 |
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| === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tonyyarusso] by ChanServ | ||
| === gnomefreak wants to ban him for using 2 too much :( | ||
| PriceChild | ? | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | oh someone in #kubuntu used 2 in every word | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | gives me a headach trying to read it | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | anyone know how to get sysinfo output? | 12:15 |
| nalioth | gnomefreak: what? | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | nalioth: the sysinfo that everyone seems to be posting | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | not today but normally | 12:16 |
| PriceChild | !sysinfo | 12:16 |
| ubotu | sysinfo: Simple GTK program that shows some UNIX/Linux system information. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 512 kB | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | oh its an app | 12:17 |
| nalioth | gnomefreak: http://irssi.org/scripts | 12:17 |
| PriceChild | nope... | 12:17 |
| nalioth | Hostname: dualg5 - OS: Linux 2.6.15-27-powerpc64-smp/ppc64 - CPU: - Processes: 138 - Uptime: 18d 18h 43m - Load Average: 0.17 - Memory Usage: 851.85mb/2433.77mb (35.00%) - Disk Usage: 270.81gb/306.04gb (88.49%) | 12:17 |
| PriceChild | hehe that one then :) | 12:17 |
| nalioth | gnomefreak: that ^^^ was /sysinfo | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | yeah that | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | there are a few of them what one works? | 12:18 |
| nalioth | try them all, keep the one you like | 12:19 |
| gnomefreak | k | 12:20 |
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