[12:27] <vidd_laptop> (that is 6x more then my desktop)
[12:27] <somerville32> Why not run Xubuntu on it?
[12:28] <vidd_laptop> somerville32, i am
[12:28] <somerville32> That script is weird then
[12:28] <vidd_laptop> yes it is
[12:28] <maxamillion> work was nuts today ...
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[12:29] <maxamillion> hi hi :)
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> what happened?
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> or not?
[12:33] <liquidengineer> Hello again
[12:34] <vidd_laptop> wb liquidengineer
[12:34] <liquidengineer> The computer I'm running my livecd off of has WindowsXP install on an ntfs drive
[12:34] <liquidengineer> I'd like to mount it with xubuntu
[12:35] <liquidengineer> I can see it using the disk-admin
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> liquidengineer, you want to replce it or view it?
[12:35] <liquidengineer> view it
[12:36] <liquidengineer> really?
[12:36] <liquidengineer> that doesn't seem right
[12:37] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: sorry, i was posting on the forums .... nothing particular, it was just busy around the office today
[12:37] <liquidengineer> Xubuntu can't mount NTFS?
[12:37] <roflarn> u wanna mount it with read only ? or did i get u wrong ?
[12:37] <liquidengineer> read only is fine
[12:37] <maxamillion> you can view it
[12:37] <liquidengineer> write would be better
[12:38] <roflarn> sec ill get a link :>
[12:38] <maxamillion> liquidengineer: you can't write from the live cd
[12:38] <liquidengineer> okay
[12:38] <liquidengineer> that's cool
[12:38] <roflarn> ahh u are using a livecd
[12:38] <roflarn> didnt know :P
[12:39] <liquidengineer> should've made that more clear
[12:39] <liquidengineer> I'm on the 6.06
[12:39] <roflarn> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_manually.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read_only
[12:40] <liquidengineer> I'll check it out
[12:40] <liquidengineer> Will this work for Dapper Drake?
[12:40] <somerville32> !nts | liquidengineer
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <somerville32> Err..
[12:40] <somerville32> !ntfs | liquidengineer
[12:40] <ubotu> liquidengineer: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:41] <roflarn> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_manually.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read_only
[12:41] <roflarn> for dapper :>
[12:41] <liquidengineer> I'll check it out
[12:41] <liquidengineer> :D
[12:50] <grazie> anyone know of a client better than gFTP?
[12:52] <maxamillion> gui? .... no, but then again i haven't really looked because i think gftp is pretty good but if you don't mine getting dirty with a little cli ... ncftp is nice
[12:52] <maxamillion> !ncftp
[12:52] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[12:53] <grazie> maxamillion, thanks
[12:54] <maxamillion> grazie: np :)
[12:54] <liquidengineer> Odd
[12:56] <maxamillion> ?
[02:07] <somerville32> Xubuntu is so awesome :)
[02:08] <kalikiana> yes indeed
[02:09] <kalikiana> how come you did notice that now? :)
[02:09] <somerville32> hehe
[02:31] <Jester45> somerville32 just woke up and smelled the coffe
[02:32] <somerville32> haha ;] 
[02:32] <somerville32> I don't think I would devote so much time to Xubuntu if I didn't realize it a long tim ago
[02:32] <somerville32> *time
[02:33] <kalikiana> there are people using windows - do they realize how much they love it?
[02:35] <somerville32> hehe
[02:35] <crimsun> somerville32: eh?
[02:36] <crimsun> (-EPARSE for the "don't think I would devote so much time to Xubuntu if I didn't realize it a long tim ago")
[02:38] <Jester45> http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/quake_24_screens.jpg
[02:38] <Jester45> 24 screen quake 3 it so cool
[02:38] <Jester45> the guy spent so much money but is ony getting 45 fps
[02:41] <kalikiana> Jester45: wow, that must be nice - so sad that he get only 45fps
[02:43] <Jester45> yes
[02:43] <somerville32> crimsun: <somerville32> Xubuntu is so awesome :)
[02:43] <Jester45> but
[02:43] <crimsun> ah.
[02:43] <somerville32> Jester45: I have Quake3 installed here
[02:43] <Jester45> the grapics card is running 24 screens do
[02:43] <Jester45> so*
[02:44] <crimsun> well yes, I don't get involved in crapshoot projects ;)
[02:44] <Jester45> its gota be harsh on it
[03:05] <kalikiana> Are people using offline dictionary applications?
[03:06] <somerville32> I have a handful of times
[03:06] <somerville32> But I usually have firefox open
[03:07] <kalikiana> Which one did you use then?
[03:07] <somerville32> "Dictionary"
[03:07] <somerville32> lol
[03:09] <kalikiana> Is that a package or do you mean a book?
[03:09] <somerville32> Comes with gnome, I think
[03:11] <Jester45> !dictionary
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <somerville32> !info gnome-dictionary
[03:12] <ubotu> Package gnome-dictionary does not exist in any distro I know
[03:12] <somerville32> Must be bundled
[03:47] <superkirbyartist> Can someone please help me with enabling the desktop in Ubuntu Edgy?  I see no wallpaper and cannot add any icons.
[03:48] <somerville32> superkirbyartist, Applications > Settings > Desktop
[03:49] <superkirbyartist> Sorry, I am in Gnome.
[03:49] <somerville32> superkirbyartist, Please see #ubuntu
[03:49] <somerville32> :)
[04:53] <cellofellow> hi
[04:53] <cellofellow> hi Adam.
[04:54] <maxamillion> hello
[04:54] <maxamillion> how are you?
[04:55] <cellofellow> I'm fine. I can't get pyNeighborhood to actually mount. Everything else works fine.
[04:56] <maxamillion> pyNeighborhood won't mount ... i even downloaded the latest from his sourceforge.net page and tried
[04:58] <cellofellow> why? it says it uses the same stuff as linneighborhood. I even tried doing CIFS, which it supports, instead of SMBFS. No luck. Nor does it matter whether the executables it calls are setuid or not. At least linneighborhood tells me what's wrong. This just says "Failed to Mount", nothing even in the terminal.
[04:59] <maxamillion> well his website says he is still porting linneighborhood
[04:59] <cellofellow> so, it's still alpha then?
[04:59] <cellofellow> should work at 0.4, shouldn't it?
[04:59] <maxamillion> i have no clue
[04:59] <cellofellow> that's what it is.
[05:00] <maxamillion> well ... technically it shouldn't work fully until 1.0 .... but different people have different ideas of version numbering
[05:00] <cellofellow> yeah, I guess.
[05:02] <somerville32> Did you run it as root?
[05:03] <cellofellow> no, should I?
[05:04] <somerville32> Yes.
[05:04] <cellofellow> ok
[05:04] <maxamillion> wait ... you have to run pyneighborhood as root?
[05:05] <cellofellow> that did work, but I don't like it. shouldn't it be enough to setuid the called files like linneighborhood?
[05:06] <cellofellow> and it calls thunar, mc by default but I chose thunar, as root. bad idea.
[05:08] <cellofellow> if I setuid pyNeighborhood, then it opens thunar as current user.
[05:08] <maxamillion> i don't like that ...
[05:08] <cellofellow> I think this works, using setuid.
[05:09] <cellofellow> hmm, but can I write to the mounts when they are mounted by root?
[05:10] <maxamillion> i think so
[05:10] <cellofellow> just waiting for a file I can write to load.
[05:11] <maxamillion> if i was at work i could check on the functionality, but i don't have a windows machine to interface with at home so i don't even have pyneighborhood installed
[05:12] <cellofellow> oh, hmm. Well, it seems to work with setuid-ing the bash script that calls it that is /usr/local/bin/pyNeighborhood
[05:12] <cellofellow> yeah, everything works.
[05:14] <maxamillion> interesting ...
[05:14] <maxamillion> what uid does it need?
[05:15] <cellofellow> I just did sudo chmod +s $(which pyNeighborhood)
[05:15] <cellofellow> 0 I guess.
[05:15] <maxamillion> oh ... ok
[05:15] <cellofellow> 0 == root I think
[05:16] <maxamillion> i guess to
[05:16] <maxamillion> so*
[05:24] <cellofellow> and now it's not working. oh well.
[05:24] <kalikiana> you could run pyNeighborhood as root and Thunar as user via sudo
[05:24] <maxamillion> i really don't want to deal with trouble shooting that application once feisty releases
[05:24] <kalikiana> like "sudo -u cellofellow Thunar"
[05:25] <maxamillion> gksudo ;)
[05:25] <cellofellow> it'll be included in feisty?
[05:25] <kalikiana> max: wouldn't matter here I guess, since from a rooted app you don't need a user pass
[05:27] <cellofellow> I think I'll stick with linneighborhood for now and let someone else figure out pyNeighborhood's quirks and fix/hide them in Feisty.
[05:29] <somerville32> I think I'll abandon my quest to package it then if it doesn't work
[05:29] <somerville32> cellofellow: File a bug upstream
[05:29] <somerville32> fwd
[05:29] <cellofellow> upstream, meaning on the sf site?
[05:30] <maxamillion> ok ... i'm outta here ... might be back later
[05:30] <cellofellow> cya
[05:31] <cellofellow> the recent firefox upgrades just reminded me I need to upgrade swiftfox too.
[05:36] <grumpymole> cellofellow: you might find some help on getting pyNeighborhood working here:
[05:36] <grumpymole> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/11/xubuntu-browsing-samba-shares-with.html
[05:37] <cellofellow> ok, thanks
[05:39] <maxamillion> well ... i just brought my iBook into the living room instead so i can watch tv
[05:40] <cellofellow> :)
[05:41] <cellofellow> grumpymole: nice tutorial, except I already have everything set like you do, and it won't mount with smbmnt and smbumount setuid.
[05:44] <somerville32> cellofellow: Maybe you don't have things setup correctly?
[05:45] <cellofellow> I tried using full paths like his tutorial said, but that didn't work neither.
[05:49] <somerville32> Do you have samba _installed_?
[05:50] <cellofellow> yes. LinNeighborhood works fine.
[05:53] <cellofellow> my conf files: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/pyneighborhood-confs.tar.gz
[07:07] <renton> hi, xubuntu alternate install stuck at 85%
[07:07] <renton> no reason why, cpu isn't beint used because i can switch to terminals. any ideas?
[07:08] <maxamillion> renton: yeah ... you running it on a machine with 64mb of ram?
[07:08] <renton> 192mb
[07:09] <renton> but it runs like it has 64 heh
[07:09] <renton> the ram might be faulty.
[07:09] <maxamillion> oh ... nvm, 65% is the error i know about
[07:09] <maxamillion> yeah... sorry i'm not too sure
[07:10] <maxamillion> but i do need to go, i have work early in the morning ...
[07:10] <renton> Seeya.
[07:10] <maxamillion> there is a memtest utility on the iso image, you can check that ... sorry i wasn't of more help
[07:11] <renton> yeah, ill try that.
[07:11] <renton> Still, you'd think the memory would freeze the whole machine.
[07:11] <renton> i'm accessing the distribution from a new terminal just fine.
[08:45] <Zeqfreed> what should i do if i get a message that some charsets are being missed?
[08:46] <Zeqfreed> is it a glibc issue?
[08:56] <Commander-Crowe> hi all
[08:56] <renton> hi
[08:57] <renton> i just installed xubuntu alternate
[08:57] <renton> then went apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:57] <renton> i can see the xubuntu logo but my screen is going ballistic.
[08:57] <renton> and the pc crashed.
[08:57] <renton> Whoop, okay it uncrashed.
[08:57] <renton> And rebooted.
[08:59] <Commander-Crowe> um
[08:59] <Commander-Crowe> you install xubuntu via the xubuntu-alt cd and then you did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[08:59] <renton> yes
[08:59] <Commander-Crowe> why?
[08:59] <renton> because for some reason doing live installs never work, my pc freezes.
[09:00] <renton> so i did a command-line only install
[09:00] <renton> see if i could get around whatever was freezing in install
[09:02] <Commander-Crowe> but command line install still installs the GUI
[09:02] <renton> no it doesn't
[09:02] <Commander-Crowe> so it would boot up as if you installed via the normal disk
[09:02] <renton> doesn't explain why apt-get install xubuntu-desktop just installed 1 gig of stuff then.
[09:02] <Commander-Crowe> renton did you use the OEM install?
[09:02] <renton> command-line
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> or did you install using the Ubuntu/Kubuntu disc or any other disc
[09:03] <somerville32> You mean server install?
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> ?
[09:03] <renton> No.
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> thats what I was getting too
[09:03] <renton> xubuntu-alternate cd
[09:03] <renton> commandline mode
[09:03] <renton> whihc makes sense - it gives you a command line.
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> I see that
[09:03] <renton> OEM would have nothing to do with command line.
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> renton but after you install the OS you boot up with a GUI
[09:03] <Commander-Crowe> unless your disc is still in there
[09:04] <renton> no i didn't
[09:04] <renton> i rebooted and got a prompt. without the disc.
[09:04] <renton> and then proceeded to install xubuntu-desktop which was not installed.
[09:04] <Commander-Crowe> type this in "startx"
[09:05] <Commander-Crowe> if that doesn't work try this "gdm"
[09:05] <renton> I can't now that I installed xubuntu-desktop package, now startx is in some script.
[09:05] <renton> and now when start-x loads, my screen goes bezerk.
[09:05] <renton> and crashes at the xubuntu logo.
[09:05] <Commander-Crowe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:06] <renton> can't get to a term, pc is frozen.
[09:06] <renton> how can i force bootup without X?
[09:06] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[09:07] <Commander-Crowe> not sure
[09:07] <Commander-Crowe> try pressing ctrl+alt+F1
[09:07] <renton> like i said, i can't get to a term, the pc is frozen.
[09:07] <renton> it's fine for most of bootup, there has to be a flag i can pass to grub or something to change it to load without the script.
[09:07] <renton> single user mode or something. can't remember it.
[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> well
[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> get into the GRUM comand promt (I think its esc on boot up) and try recovery mode
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> GRUB*
[09:09] <renton> k
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> command*
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> prompt*
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[09:09] <Commander-Crowe> bad day
[09:10] <renton> yeah that worked.
[09:11] <renton> ill set the res lower.
[09:11] <renton> i wonder also if the gfx chipset has something to do with it. intel chipsets blow hardcore.
[09:12] <renton> Heh. it was detecting as vesa.
[09:13] <renton> it's an i180 and there's drivers for it. i knew it was a fiddly one.
[09:13] <Commander-Crowe> i810?
[09:13] <renton> old crappy intel graphics adapter.
[09:14] <renton> bingo, fixed. :)
[09:15] <Commander-Crowe> ok all working?
[09:15] <renton> Yup.
[09:15] <renton> Ta.
[10:54] <somerville32> There is definitely "working hours" for this channel, haha
[10:54] <somerville32> So quite early morning here
[10:59] <crimsun> some of us are active 24/7
[11:03] <somerville32> lol
[11:03] <somerville32> like me, I guess \0/
[11:04] <crimsun> I should sleep, because I have a meeting in 2h56m
[11:05] <crimsun> on the other hand, I have -so- -many- -bugs- -to- -triage-
[11:07] <somerville32> :D
[11:07] <somerville32> crimsun: I wouldn't be able to go to sleep. If I goto sleep, I need a good 8-9 hours before I can be revived.
[11:40] <jlist> hi all
[11:40] <somerville32> Hi :] 
[11:41] <jlist> it's quieter in here. too many messages in the other two rooms
[11:41] <somerville32> :] 
[11:42] <jlist> a question: xubuntu is nice. It's supposed to work better on slower machines - than kubuntu or ubuntu
[11:43] <jlist> however the modules installed are really similar
[11:43] <somerville32> Do you have kubuntu and ubuntu both installed with Xubuntu at the same time?
[11:43] <jlist> the heavyness (or lightness) of GUi is similar to ubuntu, lighter than kubuntu
[11:44] <jlist> yes, but not on physical boxes. I've been running them all in vmware
[11:44] <somerville32> Ah
[11:44] <somerville32> So you're referring to how "light" it appears to be
[11:44] <somerville32> not how light it really is
[11:44] <jlist> i don't know. I feel it's lighter than kubuntu
[11:45] <jlist> but is there a big difference between x and ubuntu?
[11:45] <jlist> gnome is kind of light, too :)
[11:45] <somerville32> I can't run gnome happily
[11:45] <somerville32> But I can xfce4 happily
[11:45] <somerville32> I'm running a 333mhz w/ 256mb of ram
[11:45] <jlist> oh i see. will gnome start more processes?
[11:46] <somerville32> gnome has a bigger footprint
[11:46] <somerville32> Anyhows, I really need sleep :] 
[11:47] <crimsun> wussy.
[11:47] <jlist> sure .good night :0
[11:47] <jlist> :)
[11:47] <somerville32> lol
[11:47] <jlist> since i'm also running win xp on vmware, along side with k/x/ubuntus
[11:47] <jlist> to be honest, i think winxp is the fastest
[11:48] <jlist> with the same hardware configuration
[11:48] <somerville32> jlist: Weird. I have a Windows XP that is just dead-slow but runs uber-fast under Ubuntu
[11:48] <jlist> i'm not sure if it's just me, or it's a well accepted fact
[11:49] <somerville32> Just you most likely ;] 
[11:49] <jlist> ok :)
[11:49] <somerville32> What is the host OS?
[11:49] <jlist> winxp with 192M mem runs smoothly in vmware. Host OS is winxp, too :)
[11:50] <jlist> on a pentium M 1.7G
[11:50] <jlist> laptop.
[11:50] <jlist> but when i run any linux distro, i feel the slowness
[11:50] <somerville32> virtualization is no way to compare speeds
[11:50] <jlist> yeah. i suspect that
[11:50] <jlist> but i have a theory for what i experience though
[11:50] <somerville32> Infact
[11:51] <jlist> for windows, the GUI is tightly integrated with the kernal - i doubt windows will run w/o GUI
[11:51] <somerville32> There is a good chance there is something slowing Linux down in wmware
[11:51] <somerville32> Anyhows,
[11:51] <somerville32> I need sleep
[11:51] <somerville32> lol
[11:51] <jlist> for linux, X window is layered
[11:51] <jlist> sure sure. good night again :D
[12:56] <yevgeny> hi people
[12:56] <yevgeny> are there people from Ukraine?
[12:56] <yevgeny> here
[01:11] <EdgeT> Hey guys, I still can't install xubuntu
[01:11] <EdgeT> Even with the alternate cd, it freezes at 85% of the software installation
[01:12] <EdgeT> And it doesn't find the xfce-desktop pack, can anyone please help me with it?
[01:20] <hyper_ch> EdgeT: when you boot up, check the CD whether it was correctly burnt
[01:21] <EdgeT> It was, I can boot from the local image with np with W!nd0z3 VMWare
[01:21] <EdgeT> Plus, I double checked the cd integrity
[01:22] <hyper_ch> then I have no clue
[01:22] <hyper_ch> did you try ubuntu-alternate or kubuntu-alternate?
[01:23] <EdgeT> K, thanks tho
[01:23] <EdgeT> I did try xubuntu alternate
[01:23] <EdgeT> I get some weird messages in the "command-line" mode
[01:23] <EdgeT> In the base tty
[01:26] <EdgeT> Might the problem be that I downloaded the 386 version instead of the 64-bit if I have a 64-bit Turion?
[01:31] <hyper_ch> hmmm, don't know
[01:31] <hyper_ch> try the 64bit
[01:32] <EdgeT> Yeah, but I need the w32codecs and stuff
[01:34] <EdgeT> And I have no clue bout chroot :(
[02:06] <renton> Hm
[02:07] <renton> there isn't a package for wondershaper for edgy, but there is for dapper/badger.
[02:07] <renton> I installed wondershaper manually as it's just a script, but it doesn't work, and doesn't error out.
[02:07] <renton> are there any bandwith throttlers supported in edgy?
[02:15] <ormiret> packages.ubuntu.com says wondershaper is in edgy - it is in universe though. Do you have the universe repository enabled?
[02:15] <renton> ah, probably not
[02:16] <renton> either way i got it working. ;)
[02:16] <renton> he changed the script since i last used it.
[05:08] <Verithrax> Hm, how do I enable compositing in Xubuntu Edgy? I set up the extension on X, Xorg log doesn't say anything, even restarted xfwm to explicitly turn on compositing. Anything I'm missing?
[05:10] <UbuntuN00B_HBG> Hello everyone! I'm desperately looking for a netinstall of xubuntu! Anyone here who kan point me in the right direction?
[05:10] <gripir> Verithrax, everything done in the xorg.conf
[05:11] <gripir> set the option under device and created a new section?
[05:11] <Verithrax> No, I just added composite to the extensions section.
[05:12] <gripir> ok wait i paste it
[05:12] <gripir> http://gripir.pastebin.ca/306609
[05:13] <gripir> these two options you must add
[05:13] <gripir> maybe stupid question, but you are using nvidia card?
[05:13] <Verithrax> No.
[05:14] <Verithrax> Which is why I didn't add it.
[05:14] <Verithrax> Using the Radeon driver, direct rendering works fine.
[05:14] <UbuntuN00B_HBG> No netinstall for xubuntu?
[05:21] <Verithrax> Ah, I seem to have gotten it to work.
[05:22] <Verithrax> Not very responsive with anything but just shadows, but pretty.
[05:22] <Verithrax> Any way I can get a true transparent terminal?
[05:23] <gripir> is there no composite configurationtool?
[05:23] <gripir> i dont use it, sorry
[05:24] <Verithrax> THere isthe window manager tweaks control panel.
[05:24] <Verithrax> Making the terminal transparent gives me fake transparency, unlike when using Beryl.
[05:25] <Verithrax> But that's an issue with xfce4-terminal.
[05:25] <jon__> anyone know what magic I have to do to get wmv files to run on my xubuntu?
[05:25] <Verithrax> So I guess I'll just go back to using gnome-terminal
[05:25] <Verithrax> jon__, search for restricted formats in the Wiki.
[05:25] <jon__> okay...
[05:27] <jon__> I have a probleme with my keybord...
[05:27] <jon__> I instaled it on english but wish to run on other language... but everytime i Log out I hev to input "setxkbmap no" to get it working... any ideas on???
[05:38] <Zeqfreed> hey guys
[05:38] <Zeqfreed> i have a question for you ;)
[05:39] <Zeqfreed> is there a way of switching cursor themes on the fly without restarting X?
[06:07] <ellioTb> !seen maxamillion
[06:07] <ubotu> I last saw maxamillion (n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu) 2h 2m 48s ago, quiting: "leaving"
[07:06] <jonty_rocks3> help! can anyone help me?
[07:08] <jonty_rocks3> I am installing with the Alternate Install CD and it has been on Configuring Anthy (65%) for about 50 mins now. The Hardisk indicator is showing activity though. Please help
[07:09] <jonty_rocks3> anyone?
[07:12] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: switch to second terminal with alt+f2
[07:12] <jonty_rocks3> ok one sec
[07:12] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: list the running processes with 'ps x
[07:12] <TheSheep> with 'ps x'
[07:12] <TheSheep> find the index-rebuilding process, or something like that
[07:13] <TheSheep> and kill it
[07:13] <TheSheep> with 'kill the-process-id-taken-from-ps-x'
[07:13] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> last one is /usr/bin/mkworddic -f /etc/anthy/dict.args
[07:14] <jonty_rocks3> then ps x
[07:15] <TheSheep> ok
[07:15] <jonty_rocks3> thats all it is
[07:15] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: see what number is beside it
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[07:16] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: and do 'kill that-number'
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> done
[07:16] <jonty_rocks3> now what
[07:17] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: continue with the instalation
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> how?
[07:17] <TheSheep> jonty_rocks3: switch to the first terminal with alt+f1
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> yey ty
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> its working =D
[07:17] <jonty_rocks3> what is anthy?
[07:18] <jonty_rocks3> ok c ya ty
[08:20] <BadBad> ...
[09:14] <Jazon> hi :)  i heard xubuntu was the way to go for this imac 350slot load????
[09:18] <Chris1671> Hello everyone
[09:18] <Chris1671> I'm new to Xubuntu and irc as well
[09:20] <Chris1671> Unfortunately my Xubuntu isn't working so well
[09:21] <Chris1671> Can anyone even see what I'm typing?
[09:24] <DarthLappy> Yes.
[09:24] <DarthLappy> Ask your question and somebody'll see if they can help.
[09:25] <Chris1671> Ok well I'm dual booting 32 bit windowsXP Professional and 64 bit Xubuntu
[09:26] <Chris1671> I tried to install Xubuntu with the first disk and I got out of range error for my monitor
[09:26] <Chris1671> I was able to install with the alternate disk
[09:26] <Chris1671> and text mode wouldn't work on the alternate disk
[09:26] <Chris1671> I had to do oem install
[09:27] <Chris1671> Now when I boot Xubuntu I see a blue background and a mouse cursor and nothing else
[09:27] <kalikiana> You might switch to text mode via Ctrl+Shift+F1 and do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:28] <kalikiana> Oh, so frequency is okay??
[09:28] <Chris1671> frequency is wrong for a minute when booting now and then it goes to the blue screen
[09:29] <Chris1671> I think it is still some problems with my monitor
[09:29] <Chris1671> It is a 17 inch CRT
[09:29] <Chris1671> I have a evga 7800GT video card
[09:30] <Chris1671> the Vertical range is 30-69 kHz
[09:30] <kalikiana> The above hint is to reset your (monitor) config; but I don't know what might exactly be the boot problem.
[09:30] <Chris1671> well I can't seem to do anything
[09:30] <Chris1671> so how do I get to a place where I can type in some of these commands?
[09:31] <kalikiana> Ctrl+Shift+F1 gets you a Terminal
[09:31] <Chris1671> ok
[09:31] <Chris1671> I'll see if that works
[09:31] <kalikiana> But I'm not sure about the boot freeze still.
[09:32] <Chris1671> well it isn't freezing
[09:32] <kalikiana> You might want to inspect the logs..
[09:32] <Chris1671> it is just a monitor problem where it is out of the range for a minute
[09:32] <kalikiana> You said you geta blue screen and can't do anything?
[09:32] <Chris1671> I'm also brand new to Linux
[09:33] <kalikiana> Tath's what I was once, too :)
[09:33] <Chris1671> well it is like a desktop background with a mouse cursor
[09:33] <Chris1671> didn't try keyboard shortcuts
[09:33] <kalikiana> Do you see any icons?
[09:33] <Chris1671> no icons
[09:33] <Chris1671> nothing other than what I've described
[09:33] <kalikiana> That's why I assumed something is wrong :P
[09:34] <TheSheep> maybe the installation didn't finish and you don't have the panels?
[09:34] <Chris1671> Any the mouse doesn't seem to go outside the blue background either
[09:34] <Chris1671> Well I would have no problem starting the installation over
[09:35] <Chris1671> that might be easier than trying to fix what I have
[09:35] <Chris1671> but I don't know how to avoid the problem
[09:35] <kalikiana> It *might* be that the setup did wrong
[09:35] <kalikiana> In that case a new try is probably easier than using a Terminal..
[09:35] <Chris1671> well if I am getting hardware issues what can I do when I'm booting up
[09:36] <Chris1671> like how do I get it to not say out of monitor range when trying to install?
[09:36] <Chris1671> it happens very shortly after it says it is loading the kernel
[09:36] <TheSheep> Chris1671: do you have the terminal when you press alt+ctrl+f1?
[09:37] <TheSheep> Chris1671: if so, you can continoue the installation
[09:37] <Chris1671> I haven't tried keyboard shortcuts
[09:37] <Chris1671> I haven't used linux before so I didn't try them
[09:37] <Chris1671> maybe I should go try some and then come back and report the results
[09:38] <Chris1671> if I can bring up the terminal what should I do?
[09:38] <kalikiana> Get a Terminal irc client in case it doesn't work ;)
[09:38] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:39] <Chris1671> well if I can't get the terminal to work I'll just boot back into windows and come back
[09:39] <Chris1671> ok I'll be back in a while
[09:39] <Chris1671> going to try it now
[09:40] <kalikiana> good luck :)
[09:40] <Chris1671> thanks
[09:45] <Chris1671> ok no such luck
[09:45] <kalikiana> so what's the status now?
[09:46] <Chris1671> none of the keyboard shortcuts seem to be doing anything
[09:46] <Chris1671> I think I'm going to plan on reinstallation
[09:47] <kalikiana> Sry I couldn't help you
[09:47] <Chris1671> so when I try the normal xubuntu installation it doesn't get very far before it says monitor out of rang forever
[09:47] <Chris1671> so I need to help it get past that
[09:48] <kalikiana> So you can't actually install using the live CD?
[09:48] <Chris1671> I'm assuming plug and play stuff is failing or something
[09:48] <Chris1671> no I can't install with the live cd
[09:48] <kalikiana> Does your monitor say anything useful?
[09:48] <Chris1671> version 6.10 by the way
[09:48] <Chris1671> it gives me the frequencies it can handle
[09:48] <Chris1671> but other than that no
[09:49] <Chris1671> it just counts down and then goes into power-saving mode
[09:49] <Chris1671> I think I may need to specify them manually
[09:49] <Chris1671> but I'm not sure how to do that before I start the installation
[09:49] <kalikiana> I am not sure if you could specify boot options in the live CD...
[09:50] <Chris1671> there were some
[09:50] <kalikiana> Was there a boot menu or something like that?
[09:50] <Chris1671> well if I can't do it with the live CD what do I do?
[09:50] <Chris1671> yes there was a boot menu
[09:50] <kalikiana> You could use the alternate CD and install the GUI manually
[09:50] <TheSheep> Chris1671: there is "install in safe graphics mode" option on the live cd...
[09:51] <Chris1671> the text mode install gets a similar error
[09:51] <Chris1671> the safe graphics mode didn't work
[09:51] <Chris1671> I have a dual core CPU if that matters
[09:51] <Chris1671> AMD 4200+
[09:52] <Chris1671> I might have a chance to do something manually in the text mode before I get to the problem though
[09:52] <Chris1671> not sure about that though
[09:56] <Chris1671> I guess I will mess around with some of the boot options and see if I can figure out anything else
[10:25] <Commander-Crowe> hye slow-motion
[10:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:25] <slow-motion> hi Commander-Crowe
[10:39] <slow-motion> re
[11:04] <Commander-Crowe> re:re:
[11:06] <Jester45> is vm size mean memory usage
[11:12] <Jester45> ??
[11:13] <Commander-Crowe> don't know
[11:17] <DarthLappy> sudo apt-get install googlo
[11:18] <DarthLappy> google*
[11:20] <xfrost> I got a problem with my desktop, i've installed the nautilus and runed it, after thath i've logout and login again now I don't got my wallpaper and my desktop area, how can i fix it?.
[11:21] <DarthLappy> Nautilus?
[11:24] <xfrost> Yes Nautilus
[11:24] <xfrost> It installed when i tryed to install anjuta.
[11:25] <DarthLappy> I'm not sure, but make sure the setting for XFCE to manage your desktop is set.
[11:25] <xfrost> How I can do that?.
[11:25] <DarthLappy> I can't really check because I don't have access to my Xubuntu boxes at the moment :(
[11:25] <xfrost> Sorry, what you mean with that?.
[11:26] <xfrost> Ready, I found it.
[11:26] <cellofellow> I have a DVD-ROM drive with a headphone output, and normal speakers plugged into a onboard Yamaha DS-1L soundboard. What I want to do is be able to switch quickly from the headphones to the speakers with a quick keystroke. any idea how to do that?
[11:26] <cellofellow> all that button does is turn on xfdesktop
[11:29] <Jazon> hi all
[11:29] <cellofellow> hello
[11:29] <Jester45> cellofellow: you mean the button turn o xfdesktop now and you want ot change it to switching outputs?
[11:29] <Jazon> ok, i burned a cd of xubuntu dapper for mac.... still wont boot to it.  and once os9 starts it says the disk is unreadable by this computer.  do i burn another?  what did i do wrong?
[11:29] <Jester45> hi
[11:30] <cellofellow> Jester45: no, the xfdesktop stuff was for xfrost. totally unrelated. I just want to be able to use the headphone output.
[11:30] <cellofellow> It only works when playing CD's at the moment.
[11:31] <Jester45> Jazon: are you sure it burned corectly do not put the iso on the cd burn the iso as a cd
[11:31] <Jester45> cellofellow: do you know how ot make shortcuts/mapkeys
[11:31] <cellofellow> yes, but I don't know how to set up the audio outputs
[11:31] <Jester45> try man alsa
[11:32] <cellofellow> there's only one in the alsa setup.
[11:32] <cellofellow> man alsa returns nothing.
[11:32] <Jester45> hold on a few mintues i will look
[11:32] <crimsun> alsa's not in charge of/related to what you're trying to do
[11:32] <Jazon> i did.
[11:33] <Jester45> its xmicer right
[11:33] <Jazon> appears fine when i open in ubuntu on a pc
[11:33] <Jester45> *xmixer
[11:33] <Jazon> used k3b burn disk image
[11:33] <Jester45> Jazon: ok what about having the bios setup
[11:34] <Jester45> Jazon: also what about the cd driver not being bootable
[11:34] <Jazon> hmmm how to adjust that?
[11:34] <Jester45> the bios?
[11:34] <ormiret> cellofellow: that headphone socket is likely to be hooked up to the audio CD decoder in the DVD drive it can't be used for anything else.
[11:34] <Jazon> yes the bios
[11:34] <cellofellow> crimsun: I didn't think so. I just want to redirect the alsa output to the headphone. preferably it would auto-detect headphones but I don't know what to do.
[11:34] <crimsun> on the dvdrom?
[11:35] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:35] <crimsun> that's completely out of alsa's realm.
[11:35] <cellofellow> ok
[11:35] <Jester45> Jazon: during boot press f1 i think maybe be somthing else crimsun might know
[11:35] <cellofellow> I figured. It's just my speakers don't have headphone outputs on them, and I was looking at the headphone jack on the DVD and trying to get it to work.
[11:35] <Jester45> cellofellow: does the drive have a audio cable?
[11:36] <Jazon> i thought on the apple g3 imac you held down the C key
[11:36] <cellofellow> on the back, I did plug in power, IDE, and some little cable that looked like audio.
[11:36] <Jester45> cellofellow: its a thin 4 pin wire
[11:36] <Jester45> or 4 socket
[11:36] <ormiret> the audio out the back of the drive is from the drive to the soundcard not the other way round.
[11:37] <Jester45> yea on my computer that hooks into my motherboard
[11:37] <cellofellow> can't remember how many pins, but it is thin. The shape of the plug was sort of like a squished top-hat.
[11:37] <Jazon> anyone here running an iMac G3  by any chance?
[11:37] <cellofellow> It does go to the back of the mobo where the sound stuff is.
[11:37] <cellofellow> !mac
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <cellofellow> !anything
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <Jazon> heh
[11:38] <Jester45> ok i know there is somthing WHEN YOU CAN CHange the out put device
[11:38] <Jester45> cellofellow: try menu --> settings --> sound/mixer
[11:38] <cellofellow> alright. so I can't really hack this and make the DVD into a pseudo-device or anything?
[11:39] <Jester45> then see if you have an extra device
[11:39] <cellofellow> there's only one device, the onboard Yamaha.
[11:39] <ormiret> not without some hardware hacking
[11:39] <cellofellow> :( I'm not to comfortable with that.
[11:39] <Jester45> cellofellow: come on its fun
[11:40] <Jester45> FYI hardrive disk fly good
[11:40] <cellofellow> what could I do? ormiret, you said it's an input cable, not output?
[11:40] <ormiret> I would recomend a splitter on the output from the sound card going to the speakers and then switch off the speakers when using headphones (unplug them if they aren't powered)
[11:41] <ormiret> cellofellow: to use the socket on the drive you would have to rewire the drive and your soundcard
[11:41] <cellofellow> they are powered. That would work. Simple hack. :D Why didn't I think of that. Still, that DVD output is lonely.
[11:41] <Jester45> plug somthing in it
[11:41] <cellofellow> ok, doing that is beyond me.
[11:41] <cellofellow> k
[11:43] <cellofellow> all I've ever really dismantled was a digital camera that got dropped on too many times.
[11:44] <cellofellow> playing a CD with Grip does use the DVD sound AND the ALSA speakers.
[11:44] <Jester45> i done computer cd player mp3 player portable dvd players  some tvs hardrive SD memorycard
[11:44] <Jester45> you know the works
[11:45] <ormiret> Jester45: how many of them ever worked again :)
[11:45] <cellofellow> you took apart an SD card? how? those are so small.
[11:45] <Jester45> the computer
[11:45] <Jester45> the insides are smaller
[11:45] <Jester45> the memory part is about 1/5 the size of card
[11:46] <cellofellow> I did take the case off of a USB thumbdrive. Tiny.
[11:46] <cellofellow> holy small.
[11:46] <Jester45> the case? not real parts
[11:46] <Jester45> the harddrive was fun
[11:46] <Jester45> the motor was fast :)
[11:47] <cellofellow> I'd bet. How fast are most HDD's, 5200 RPM?
[11:50] <cellofellow> :( I wish that gCal had an uploads system for its ics files. Then I could connect sunbird to it properly. Not for me, I prefer gCal, but someone else prefers desktop apps.
[12:11] <Jazon> yay!
[12:11] <Jazon> imac 350 - slot load - can i use entire disk and eliminate os9 altogether?
[12:12] <Jazon> i have the opetions (1) erase entire disk: IDE1 master (hda) (2) Use largerst cont. free space (3) Erase entire disk and use LVM: IDE1 master (hda)
[12:19] <cellofellow> or part yourself and keep apple's OS around.