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| mhb | I've made a wiki page about one of my points in the meeting agenda. It's not so short, so you might want to read it before the meeting. Here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/NewWidgetStyle . A link to it is on Kubuntu/Meetings btw. | 03:44 |
| === Jucato thinks Polyester or QtCurve looks well with Crystal | ||
| mhb | Jucato: um ... Crystal Window Decorations? Icon theme? | 03:46 |
| Jucato | er Crystal windeco sorry | 03:46 |
| === Jucato doesn't like the polyester windeco that much... but that's just him... | ||
| mhb | Jucato: that's fine, if you can express your opinion in a constructive way, | 03:48 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 03:49 |
| mhb | Jucato: Polyester is just my personal favourite, but as I stated on the page, that is to be discussed. | 03:49 |
| Jucato | ok. haven't read the whole page yet. just wanted to get that opinion of mine in :) | 03:49 |
| mhb | Jucato: do you think the rationale is wrong? | 03:50 |
| Jucato | hm.. I'll read it | 03:50 |
| Jucato | mhb, doesn't Kubuntu also use plastik by default? | 03:52 |
| mhb | Jucato: hmm ... I think last time I talked to Kenneth he said Lipstik's the one ... but if you know those two you know they are practically the same | 03:54 |
| Jucato | yeah | 03:54 |
| Jucato | mhb: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals "widgetStyle=plastik" | 03:57 |
| mhb | Jucato: ah | 04:00 |
| mhb | Jucato: you are right | 04:00 |
| Jucato | although, I have a bit of a problem trusting everything in k-d-s... I observe that the .kcsrc file in k-d-s doesn't match the on being used actually in Edgy... | 04:01 |
| mhb | Jucato: what do you think about the rationale and the idea of changing the widget style to match the window decorations, kicker etc. ? | 04:02 |
| mhb | Jucato: not about my suggestion, but the idea in general | 04:03 |
| Jucato | imho it's pretty reasonable | 04:03 |
| Jucato | i'm looking into the issues right now | 04:05 |
| mhb | Jucato: one of them was already fixed | 04:06 |
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| Jucato | which one? | 04:07 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee!!! | 04:07 |
| mhb | Hobbsee's the sign I should really go to sleep :o) | 04:07 |
| mhb | Jucato: the K menu one | 04:08 |
| Jucato | aw.. | 04:08 |
| === nixternal builds polyester for edgy to look at | ||
| Jucato | ah how was it fixed? | 04:08 |
| nixternal | it looks good, and i think i used to use this in the apst | 04:08 |
| Jucato | nixternal: builds? | 04:08 |
| nixternal | a 1.0 edgy build so i can install it :) | 04:08 |
| Jucato | aaah | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato!!! | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: hahaha, nah | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | what's the time there? | 04:08 |
| mhb | 04:08 | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: what versoin is polyester now? | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | !info kde-style-polyester feisty | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ouch | 04:09 |
| ubotu | kde-style-polyester: The Polyester widget style for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99+1.0rc1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 160 kB, installed size 552 kB | 04:09 |
| nixternal | 1.0 | 04:09 |
| nixternal | .99 | 04:09 |
| nixternal | ya | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | that versoin? | 04:09 |
| nixternal | thats what it is now yes | 04:09 |
| nixternal | the latest is 1.0 on kde-look (for almost a month now) | 04:09 |
| nixternal | mhb: removing the gray rectangle on kmenu, is that an art thing? | 04:10 |
| mhb | nixternal: it's a code thing, but it can be done | 04:11 |
| nixternal | ahh | 04:11 |
| Jucato | removing the grey rectangle? there's an option to turn it off in polyester | 04:11 |
| mhb | nixternal: well then it's even easier :o) | 04:11 |
| Jucato | I think turning off the menu stripe by default would make it more consistent... | 04:12 |
| nixternal | i use a transparent kmenu, so it isn't all that noticeable | 04:12 |
| mhb | Jucato: You may be right. | 04:14 |
| mhb | Jucato: that can be easily done :o) the first part is to decide if we will change the widget style. | 04:14 |
| mhb | at all | 04:14 |
| Jucato | a change would be good... and Crystal windeco + Plastik doesn't really look good, imho | 04:15 |
| nixternal | what do i need to do in order to get the theme to apply to ff? | 04:15 |
| Jucato | nixternal: GTK+ Styles and Fonts | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: NEAT!!! | 04:15 |
| Jucato | System Settings -> Appearance | 04:15 |
| mhb | !info gtk-qt-engine | 04:15 |
| ubotu | Package gtk-qt-engine does not exist in any distro I know | 04:15 |
| mhb | !info gtk-qt-engine feisty | 04:16 |
| ubotu | gtk-qt-engine: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.70-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 87 kB, installed size 392 kB | 04:16 |
| Jucato | !gtk2-engines-gtk-qt | 04:16 |
| ubotu | gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.70-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 80 kB, installed size 364 kB | 04:16 |
| Jucato | it was renamed? | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 04:16 |
| Jucato | oh... | 04:16 |
| Jucato | hm... any plans on renaming adept again? :) | 04:17 |
| Jucato | hi manchicken! | 04:17 |
| manchicken | w00t! | 04:17 |
| manchicken | So I have 3 things on my agenda this evening. | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken!!! | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | what are they? | 04:18 |
| manchicken | 1) Beer, 2) Hacking a bit, 3) Putting some of this jigsaw puzzle together. | 04:18 |
| === Hobbsee has one | ||
| manchicken | I'm getting pissed off with this warm winter weather. | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:18 |
| manchicken | The bugs are going to be insane. | 04:19 |
| nixternal | says i have it already installed yet the theme doesn't apply to the ff menus | 04:20 |
| mhb | nixternal: you mean the grey stripe? | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: which bugs? | 04:21 |
| nixternal | nah, the glass looking selectors | 04:22 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: The ones that the cold winter was supposed to kill ^_^ | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 04:22 |
| Jucato | nixternal: in GTK+ Styles and Fonts, did you set it to use your KDE style? | 04:22 |
| nixternal | shh | 04:23 |
| nixternal | ;p | 04:23 |
| Jucato | :) | 04:23 |
| nixternal | it is already set | 04:23 |
| nixternal | argh | 04:24 |
| Jucato | hm.. restart firefox? | 04:24 |
| nixternal | yup | 04:24 |
| Jucato | hm.. strange... | 04:25 |
| nixternal | i just noticed that none fo the styles apply to ff | 04:25 |
| nixternal | keramik has some cool glassy/glossy menu highlights | 04:26 |
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| Jucato | too glossy, imho | 04:26 |
| Jucato | and that's coming from someone who likes glossy :) | 04:26 |
| nixternal | the rest of theme is yes | 04:26 |
| nixternal | but the menu highlights take the cake | 04:26 |
| Jucato | well, there's one thing I don't like about keramik's widget style | 04:27 |
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| Jucato | how it applies the color to window backgrounds | 04:27 |
| === Hobbsee wants a screenshot | ||
| nixternal | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969 | 04:27 |
| nixternal | thats kinda sharp looking | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | someone tell me what time i'm working tonight, please... | 04:28 |
| Jucato | Keramik takes the Button's color for the Window background... | 04:28 |
| nixternal | except for those stupid vista buttons | 04:28 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: i said you can have the day off :) | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | nice....ish | 04:28 |
| mhb | nixternal: that's what we use now, isn't it? :o) | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: nah, the other lady there will not be pleased | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: we set the defaults :P | 04:29 |
| nixternal | mhb: damn it is | 04:29 |
| nixternal | but that looks cooler :) | 04:29 |
| === Jucato couldn't see the screenshot because of the slow internet connection... | ||
| mhb | nixternal: really? | 04:30 |
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| Jucato | which looks cooler? keramik? | 04:30 |
| mhb | nixternal: in what way? | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | polyester beats them all :P | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | mind you, the transparency/translucency looks kinda nice | 04:30 |
| nixternal | just that entire glass/see through looked neat. maybe it is just that guys setup though | 04:31 |
| Jucato | yes, polyester is a very nice alternative and looks well with Crystal windeco | 04:31 |
| mhb | nixternal: if you want transparency, either use Beryl or wait for kwin4 :o) | 04:31 |
| nixternal | qt-curve! | 04:31 |
| nixternal | haha | 04:31 |
| Jucato | that's another good alternative nixternal :) | 04:31 |
| nixternal | mhb: i would rather jump off the golden gate bridge into a boat of razor blades than use beryl | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: did you see the meeting time? | 04:31 |
| Jucato | I was actually suggesting that too | 04:32 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: i believe i did, i think i posted the new date and time to the fridge as well | 04:32 |
| Jucato | so that's the final date/time? | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: cool | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: havent read my logs of last night yet, but i'm hoping so | 04:32 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: the "polyester beats them all" was irony or not? | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | dunno. i like polyester :) | 04:33 |
| === Jucato likes polyester and qtcurve almost equally | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: you read the wiki page I made? | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: probably not. do i have the address? | 04:34 |
| Jucato | two advantages of qtcurve, for me, are: extremely customizable (we can ship/make our own "theme" for it, just like we do in Crystal) and there's a QtCurve for GTK+ | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | someone should merge keep, btw | 04:34 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: yes, either in the logs or on Kubuntu/Meetings page .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/NewWidgetStyle | 04:35 |
| === mhb should go to bed. Really. | ||
| === Jucato forgot where he got his qtcurve-kde3 and qtcurve-gtk2 debs from... | ||
| Hobbsee | someone check that kwwii will be around for the meeting, if i dont, please | 04:36 |
| mhb | good night all | 04:36 |
| Jucato | I'll ask him when I see him :) | 04:36 |
| Jucato | night mhb! | 04:36 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I can ask him too, after all he's in the same timezone. | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: cool :) | 04:37 |
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| === Hobbsee uploads polyester | ||
| Hobbsee | hey jack_wyt_ | 04:39 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: 1.0? | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: of polyester | 04:40 |
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ | ||
| Jucato | yeah? | 04:40 |
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt____!*@*] by Hobbsee | ||
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| Hobbsee | yep | 04:40 |
| Jucato | ooh | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | : | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:41 |
| === Jucato wonders why no one has packaged qtcurve... | ||
| Hobbsee | (to feisty) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | i think it's on REVU | 04:41 |
| === Hobbsee recalled that no one particularly liked it | ||
| Jucato | really? | 04:41 |
| Jucato | I find it to be the most KDE-like (i.e., so very customizable) style... | 04:42 |
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| Jucato | and it also has the added advantage of having a GTK+ version, which makes it consistent across apps... | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: true | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i seem to recall that the argument was "we dont want to look like gnome" | 04:42 |
| Jucato | ah because it's somewhat like bluecurve? | 04:43 |
| === Jucato uses a modified Glass QtCurve theme | ||
| manchicken | Eh, I don't care about looking like gnome. I wish that apps were more cross DE friendly.. | 04:43 |
| Jucato | er modified Shiny Glass... doesn't look like GNOME at all | 04:43 |
| mhb | Jucato: well if it's similar to a GNOME-like theme it will not make it as default | 04:43 |
| Jucato | mhb: the thing is, QtCurve comes with so many schemes | 04:44 |
| mhb | I still believe in the "no revolution" concept I stated on that wiki page | 04:44 |
| Jucato | well, yeah, if you put it that way... | 04:44 |
| Jucato | "no revolution" would mean it's more likely to get accepted... | 04:45 |
| === Hobbsee kicks soyuz | ||
| === Hobbsee remembers sethk packaging polyester originally :P | ||
| mhb | Jucato: do me a screenshot and we can discuss it | 04:45 |
| mhb | s/do/make | 04:46 |
| Jucato | no, you should sleep first mhb :) | 04:46 |
| mhb | right | 04:46 |
| Jucato | let's discuss when you awaken :) | 04:46 |
| === Jucato uploads the screenshot anyway | ||
| nixternal | hmm. i restarted x and that took care of all of the menus, except for ff | 04:47 |
| nixternal | Jucato: i just got done going through all of the qtcurve themes | 04:47 |
| nixternal | there are 3 good themes | 04:47 |
| Jucato | strange... you shouldn't have to restart X... | 04:47 |
| n8k99 | /sees Hobbsee carrying her stick and hides | 04:47 |
| nixternal | clear, inverted, and dull glass all stand out nicely | 04:47 |
| Jucato | shiny glass, with a couple of modifications, can look like a shinier polyester | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: heh | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | uh oh, ajmitch's server is gone again...that *always* dies when he's away | 04:48 |
| Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/qtcurve-shinymod.png | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | Accepted: | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | OK: polyester_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | -> Component: universe Section: kde | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | OK: polyester_1.0.orig.tar.gz | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | OK: polyester_1.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 04:49 |
| Jucato | with qtcurve-gtk2 installed, firefox uses the same scheme if GTK+ Styles and Fonts is set to "Use my KDE Style..." | 04:49 |
| Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/firefox-qtcurve.png | 04:51 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/screeny.png | 04:52 |
| nixternal | ^^ inverted qtcurve theme | 04:52 |
| Jucato | heh yeah the inverted glass also looks nice | 04:52 |
| Jucato | but it doesn't look consistent with Crystal windeco, imho... | 04:52 |
| nixternal | no it doesn't, but looks good with the default kde theme whatever that is | 04:53 |
| nixternal | plastik | 04:53 |
| Jucato | default KDE windeco? | 04:53 |
| Jucato | yeah, KDE default uses Plastik style and windeco | 04:53 |
| Jucato | ooh irssi... | 04:53 |
| nixternal | what about irssi? | 04:54 |
| Jucato | pretty pretty | 04:54 |
| nixternal | oh, the setup i use? | 04:54 |
| Jucato | how did you get a nick list column?!?! :O | 04:54 |
| nixternal | nicklist.pl and screen within a screen | 04:55 |
| Jucato | oh | 04:55 |
| Jucato | I thought it was built in | 04:55 |
| nixternal | nah, it is actually 2 screens running in 1 screen session | 04:55 |
| Jucato | :) | 04:55 |
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| nixternal | plastik actually looks pretty nice | 04:56 |
| Jucato | it's plain, simple, and beatiful in simplicity... | 04:56 |
| Jucato | it's also old and plain :P | 04:57 |
| nixternal | ya, i enjoy simplicity | 04:57 |
| Jucato | and doesn't look well w/ crystal :) | 04:57 |
| nixternal | i did a simpli theme for kde in the mid 90's that was sharp | 04:57 |
| nixternal | that was simplistic | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, i was going to install the new polyester... | 04:57 |
| Jucato | from simplicity to complexity: plastik > lipstik > polyester > qtcurve | 04:57 |
| nixternal | rsi breaktime! | 04:58 |
| === Hobbsee wonders about restarting X now | ||
| Jucato | lunch time! (I hope) | 04:59 |
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| nixternal | jdub is gonna kill me | 06:17 |
| nixternal | http://blog.nixternal.com/ | 06:18 |
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| manchicken | Awww, no you didn't. | 06:36 |
| manchicken | You put zeros and ones on your header. | 06:36 |
| manchicken | Weak. | 06:36 |
| manchicken | I'm so hesitant to get back into adept. | 06:36 |
| manchicken | It's been so long since I've touched it. | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | go on | 06:37 |
| manchicken | Like, almost 3 weeks. | 06:37 |
| manchicken | I don't think I've had nearly enough to drink yet. | 06:37 |
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| manchicken | Ack, I can't keep working on it until I get some feedback from Tonio | 06:43 |
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| manchicken | That's okay, I need to set up backups... | 06:52 |
| manchicken | I can't believe I've neglected backups so long. | 06:52 |
| manchicken | I'm considering playing some games. | 06:53 |
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| nixternal | manchicken: Open Source Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes | 06:56 |
| nixternal | is that better? :) | 06:56 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:56 |
| nixternal | that binary version must have been done by a silly plugin | 06:56 |
| manchicken | That should be more like: Free Software Chicago Style: Popping some caps up in some fascist proprietary software ass. | 06:57 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 06:57 |
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| nixternal | going gangstah on proprietary | 06:57 |
| manchicken | Anything worth shooting once, is worth shooting twice. | 06:58 |
| nixternal | lol | 06:58 |
| manchicken | Wow, keep really means "backup now" when you click "backup now". | 06:59 |
| manchicken | Not even a thread with progress window. | 06:59 |
| nixternal | heh | 07:00 |
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| manchicken | Anybody seen Tonio lately? | 07:07 |
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| Lure | Riddell: is the change for language installation already in festy - as mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu | 09:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: I do not see these new buttons on my system | 09:37 |
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| mhb | good morning | 11:49 |
| Jucato | morning mhb! | 11:50 |
| Jucato | mhb: posted my screenshots | 11:51 |
| mhb | Jucato: where? | 11:52 |
| Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/qtcurve-shinymod.png and http://jucato.org/stuff/firefox-qtcurve.png | 11:53 |
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| Lure | Jucato: nice, just toolbar is a bit strange in Sys Settings (near search) | 11:56 |
| Jucato | heh I modified Konqueror a lot :) | 11:56 |
| Jucato | er.. sorry | 11:57 |
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| Lure | Jucato: is this special theme for firefox or just qt-gtk | 11:57 |
| Jucato | Lure: I'm using qtcurve-kde3 and qtcurve-gtk2 | 11:57 |
| Jucato | This is related to mhb's proposal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/NewWidgetStyle | 11:58 |
| Jucato | btw, I'm not sure why, but it seems that only System Settings is exhibiting that toolbar behavior... | 11:58 |
| Lure | Jucato: yes, have seen that - hope that kwwii and pinhero will be on the meeting | 11:58 |
| Jucato | yeah I hope so too | 11:59 |
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| mhb | Jucato: if you want you can add those pictures on a wiki page and add some explanations to your choice so that it can be also discussed at the meeting | 12:03 |
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| Jucato | ok. maybe later... konqueror bug weekend :) | 12:04 |
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| Hobbsee | hey all | 12:51 |
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| mhb | hi Hobbsee | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | hey mhb!! | 12:54 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: informed Kenneth about the meeting date change | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yay, thankyou :) | 12:59 |
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| Lure | any developer around to upload eqonimize - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3979 | 02:06 |
| Lure | it is just new tar from upstream - the rest is the same | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee|NotHere | hey Lure | 02:10 |
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| Lure | hi Hobbsee - can you upload it for me? | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i'm on windows at the moment | 02:11 |
| === Hobbsee CURSES flash | ||
| === Lure understands that I might have woke you up ;-) | ||
| Hobbsee | no, no :) | 02:11 |
| === Hobbsee had to do an online test, to get another job | ||
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| Riddell | Lure: certainly should be | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell | 02:12 |
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| Hobbsee | "which two out of these 5 are different?" "blown if i know. hwo is this relevant?" | 02:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: not here... :-( | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | what is your criteria for defining difference? argh! | 02:13 |
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| === Lure rebooting to try new kdebase changes | ||
| mhb | I wonder how the new adept dist-upgrade tool will be distributed | 02:34 |
| mhb | would it be possible to make Edgy packages? | 02:35 |
| Lure | mhb: like sru? | 02:35 |
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| Hobbsee | bug 78184 - huh? | 02:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78184 in kdebase "??" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78184 | 02:36 |
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| Lure | Riddell (or other core-dev): can you review and upload kdebase for me - http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kdebase16.debdiff | 02:43 |
| mhb | Lure: about the sru ... I don't know - that's why I ask | 02:43 |
| Lure | mhb: I am not sure - spec does not say what is the plan in this regard - you will need to ask Riddell | 02:44 |
| mhb | Lure: I know - read it myself | 02:44 |
| Lure | mhb: btw, I like your proposal to change widget theme for feisty | 02:45 |
| Lure | mhb: it does not matter if polyester or qtcurve is the answer it is just that plastik is old ;-) | 02:45 |
| mhb | Lure: thanks ... yes, I think that too | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | yay Lure :) | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | argh...i cant stand windows :( | 02:48 |
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| === Hobbsee|NotHere beds | ||
| mhb | Riddell: Would the Kubuntu dist-upgrade tool be distributed to Edgy? And how? If so, one of the important factors (for me) is the availability of translations. | 02:49 |
| mhb | Hobbsee|NotHere: goodnight | 02:51 |
| Riddell | mhb: yes, but I need to think about that | 02:53 |
| Riddell | mhb: we'll need a patched version of adept which downloads the tool | 02:53 |
| mhb | Riddell: okay. I believe you'll think of something :o) Please don't forget to distribute translations somehow. I know that can be difficult but it will make life easier for a lot of non-English Kubuntu users. | 02:56 |
| Lure | mhb: I thought that translations are updated for released versions from time to time... | 03:04 |
| mhb | Lure: yes, they are | 03:05 |
| Lure | mhb: so we could use this | 03:05 |
| mhb | Lure: but the strings we need to translate are not in the .pot templates | 03:05 |
| mhb | (for Edgy) | 03:05 |
| mhb | and I believe the templates are closed | 03:05 |
| Lure | mhb: right :-( | 03:06 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:55 |
| Lure | sebas: will check in #kde-devel re bug 65791 | 04:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 | 04:03 |
| Lure | sebas: I also want to include the patch for currency change - I am just not sure if we are not too late | 04:04 |
| sebas | Tagging is 15th jan, so no, not too late. | 04:04 |
| Lure | sebas: so you suggest that I send proposed patches to kde-devel ML or commit to branch and do CCMAIL: kde-devel? | 04:05 |
| === Lure never messed in kde svn out of guidance ;-) | ||
| sebas | It seems unmaintained, if there's a bug in bko, submitting should be fine. | 04:05 |
| sebas | But CCMAIL kde-devel in any case | 04:06 |
| sebas | Not sure how safe they are, but doing it 2 minutes before tagging is not a good idea :-) | 04:06 |
| Lure | sebas: ok, will first update bug in bko | 04:06 |
| nixternal | mhb: how do you deal with bug 78174 w/o loosing your mind? :) | 04:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78174 in irm "UCF: Missing dependency for Post-inst script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78174 | 04:09 |
| mhb | nixternal: why do you ask me? :o) | 04:11 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 04:12 |
| nixternal | i posted the wrong bug number | 04:12 |
| nixternal | i was talking about the bug ?? with no info whatsoever | 04:12 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: aren't you supposed to sleep? | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: tried that. got boring. | 04:15 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee, hi nixternal | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | heya Jucato | 04:15 |
| Lure | sebas: I think we have another issue in powermanager: actions if multiple users are logged in | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | now Jucato *definetly* should be asleep | 04:16 |
| mhb | nixternal: :o) that one. Don't tell me the author added just the translation of the two words :o) | 04:16 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: nah.. 11:15 PM | 04:16 |
| nixternal | haha ya | 04:16 |
| Lure | sebas: gnome uses /bin/check-foreground-console to detect who should be in charge | 04:16 |
| Jucato | just got back from a 3-4 hour meeting... | 04:16 |
| Lure | sebas: I think I have experienced it today - I had another user on other console (for testing) and it hibernated by machine (accordning to idle setting) | 04:17 |
| nixternal | mhb: point him to bug writing 101 | 04:17 |
| Lure | sebas: will test further to confirm that this is the case | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: oh yeah, wrong way... | 04:17 |
| mhb | nixternal: which one? | 04:21 |
| mhb | nixternal: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ? | 04:21 |
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| mhb | nixternal: that should do it :o) | 04:25 |
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| Lure | Riddell: Slo currency change also committed to 3.5 branch in kde svn: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/l10n/si/entry.desktop?rev=620562&view=auto | 05:32 |
| Riddell | Lure: groovy, that means we'll pick it up with 3.5.6 | 05:32 |
| Riddell | Lure: if you want to do a SRU.. good luck | 05:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: will not ask for sru unless I get some bug for it (I am all feisty now ;-)) | 05:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: and it will be in 3.5.6 release you will add to kubuntu.org anyhow | 05:34 |
| mhb | my fonts have messed up terribly with the latest Feisty upgrade | 05:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am just not sure if I should just commit kenergy fix too (I would prefer another review), since the code looks unmaintained (and I did not get any response from last commiter) | 05:36 |
| Riddell | Lure: nothing from heliocastro? | 05:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: no, I have sent mails week back | 05:37 |
| Riddell | Lure: just commit then and CC helio | 05:37 |
| sebas | Lure: Send it to kde-devel and tell that you'll commit it if noone objects within three days | 05:37 |
| sebas | Or do what Riddell says, even better :-) | 05:37 |
| Riddell | well, if you're patient do as sebas says :) | 05:38 |
| sebas | nonononono, do as Riddell says ;-) | 05:38 |
| === sebas is never patient though | ||
| Lure | sebas: ok, will commit and CC helio - I am 100% sure it is the way to go, just would feel better if someone could review it | 05:39 |
| ryanakca | lol | 05:39 |
| Riddell | Lure: mind and sync to KDE 4 too if the code is still in KDE 4 | 05:39 |
| Lure | ryanakca: btw, Hobbsee has uploaded new eqonomize 0.4 (which you packaged) | 05:40 |
| ryanakca | oh? | 05:40 |
| Lure | Riddell: I hope this code is not there anymore ;-) | 05:40 |
| Lure | Riddell: I did not find l10n stuff in kde4 (still searching) | 05:40 |
| === ryanakca looks... I had packaged 0.3... never knew 0.4 was out | ||
| Lure | ryanakca: I started using it recently and needed upgrade, so I updated it to new release | 05:41 |
| ryanakca | kk | 05:41 |
| Lure | Riddell: btw, did you find the cause for missing language installer/selector buttons? | 05:48 |
| Riddell | Lure: no, not looked at it | 05:49 |
| Riddell | apt is broken on my machine, so it's hard to update it | 05:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: np, I started it from command line anyhow | 05:49 |
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| mhb | Who wants to make me happy and fix bug 78209 ? | 05:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78209 in kubuntu-meta "[feisty] Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209 | 05:56 |
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| ryanakca | mhb: reboot maybe to reload some fonts? (just guessing about half that sentence) | 06:06 |
| ryanakca | or wait, nevermind... antialiasing or whatever it's called on? | 06:06 |
| Lure | mhb: true, todays upgrade did change (to worse) also on my system | 06:09 |
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| Lure | mhb: have changed package to fontconfig which is probable suspect | 06:12 |
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| mhb | Lure: probably | 06:19 |
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| mhb | Lure: thanks | 06:27 |
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| mhb | it seems the last fontconfig upgrade has fixed problems with local characters but introduced the problem with rendering :o) | 07:03 |
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| Jucato | Riddell: kick damien_karras? | 07:36 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes please | 07:37 |
| mhb | eh? | 07:37 |
| Riddell | #kubuntu | 07:39 |
| Jucato | some troll... | 07:39 |
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| manchicken | Hmm... Anybody seen Tonio?? | 08:05 |
| manchicken | I really hope he hasn't been abducted by aliens or something. | 08:06 |
| manchicken | That would be most unfortunate ;) | 08:06 |
| mhb | manchicken: read the logs | 08:07 |
| mhb | manchicken: from yesterday early | 08:07 |
| mhb | manchicken: truth is, you're not going to see him here anytime soon | 08:07 |
| manchicken | Oh? | 08:08 |
| manchicken | It was aliens, wasn't it? | 08:08 |
| mhb | manchicken: worse | 08:09 |
| manchicken | (where might I find the logs?) | 08:09 |
| Lure | manchicken: has some personal reasons to be away | 08:09 |
| manchicken | That's cool. | 08:09 |
| Lure | !irclogs | 08:09 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about irclogs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 08:09 |
| mhb | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-2007-01-05.html | 08:09 |
| mhb | search for Tonio | 08:09 |
| Lure | manchicken: btw, great work on system settings - I like tabs more than old stuff | 08:10 |
| manchicken | Groovy. | 08:10 |
| manchicken | Aww, that's so sad. | 08:11 |
| manchicken | I had the opposite happen to me. That is worse than being abducted by aliens. | 08:12 |
| manchicken | Ignorance hurts us all. Either way... here's one for the homies. | 08:14 |
| manchicken | Anybody else good at merges? | 08:17 |
| manchicken | err, patches, whatever... | 08:18 |
| Lure | manchicken: what do you want to do? | 08:24 |
| manchicken | This patch is giving me a headache. | 08:24 |
| manchicken | I have no idea why, but it won't apply. | 08:25 |
| Lure | patch for what? | 08:27 |
| manchicken | I've been working on the recommended UI changes to the sources editor in adept. | 08:28 |
| manchicken | Or at least I was ^_^ | 08:28 |
| manchicken | Before vacation. | 08:28 |
| Riddell | manchicken: which recommended changes? | 08:28 |
| manchicken | The one where it's not just a listview control with a bunch of text, but where it's more gui-ified. | 08:29 |
| manchicken | I actually had a screenshot I was working on... | 08:29 |
| manchicken | Where's the UI recommendations page? | 08:29 |
| mhb | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability this one? | 08:30 |
| manchicken | I believe that be the feller. | 08:30 |
| Riddell | manchicken: the feisty plan I had was to replace it with a qt version of the editor used in ubuntu | 08:30 |
| Riddell | which is a python app | 08:30 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 08:30 |
| manchicken | Nobody tells me these things ;) | 08:30 |
| manchicken | That's cool by me though. | 08:31 |
| Riddell | if you know python, you're very welcome to start on it | 08:31 |
| manchicken | Pssht. Like you actually need to know a language to use it? | 08:32 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 08:32 |
| Riddell | it's part of the ubuntu upgrade tool at the moment | 08:32 |
| manchicken | Oh, semantic or whatever? | 08:32 |
| mhb | synaptic ? :o) | 08:33 |
| manchicken | That's it. | 08:33 |
| manchicken | I wasn't sure if it was named similar to the norton people or the touchpad people _^^ | 08:33 |
| manchicken | So easy to confuse the two. | 08:33 |
| Riddell | it's not part of synaptic | 08:33 |
| Riddell | synaptic has it's own one, but it calls the nicer ubuntu one if it's available instead | 08:34 |
| manchicken | We should probably have some notes next to these items if we actually have plans for implementation on them. | 08:34 |
| manchicken | Oh, so you're just talking about porting that proggy from GTK to Qt? | 08:35 |
| Riddell | manchicken: yes | 08:36 |
| Riddell | then small patch to adept to make it do the same as synaptic, and use the nicer editor if it's available | 08:37 |
| Riddell | manchicken: take a look at kubuntu-feisty-adept-plan or whatever it's called to see similar ideas | 08:37 |
| Riddell | manchicken: we also have a branch of adept in lauchpad.net/products/adept now that you can branch from | 08:38 |
| mhb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyAdeptChanges | 08:38 |
| Riddell | manchicken: and praetor has been doing adept stuff (getting to to do the dist upgrade check) | 08:38 |
| manchicken | Well, if you have another thing that could use hacking, I could use a fresh project to wrap my head around. | 08:42 |
| manchicken | As many problems as people say there are with adept, it's a damn usable proggy. | 08:43 |
| manchicken | Though the code.... nevermind. | 08:44 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 08:44 |
| mhb | manchicken: I disagree though. The UI looks very cluttered, until recently it had problems with translations. | 08:44 |
| manchicken | I agree with all of those. | 08:45 |
| manchicken | But have you ever tried to use YaST2 or Smart for updates and installs? | 08:45 |
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| manchicken | *THAT* is what I'm comparing it to. | 08:45 |
| manchicken | Those programs have a better UI, but when you try to install stuff, you get conflicts, you get broken dependencies, and above all, you get mysterious crashes that are damn-near impossible to replicate. | 08:46 |
| === mhb would love a apt/smart adept | ||
| === hunger finds even aptitude easier to use than adept:-( | ||
| manchicken | I use adept all the time. | 08:47 |
| manchicken | I have no trouble with it. I suppose I'm just less picky. | 08:47 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 08:47 |
| hunger | manchicken: I don't get adept. But then I have not tried since sbortly before breezy. | 08:47 |
| manchicken | Even my wife uses the add/remove programs version of adept. | 08:47 |
| Riddell | Lure: I disagree that "polling still required" is not a major issue | 08:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: what is your concern? It is quite lite on cpu... | 08:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: if you do not agree, feel free to change the state in wiki | 08:51 |
| Riddell | Lure: it means the computer will never be idle, that's not good on battery life | 08:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: right, but since we do not have tickless kernel it is not idle anyway ;-) | 08:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: btw, Fedora 7 will have tickless kernel | 08:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: I agree that polling is ugly and uses cpu (which it should not), but I do not see it as major issue (no user complained) | 08:52 |
| manchicken | Riddell: So what do you want/need me to do? | 08:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: so it is not very visible | 08:53 |
| manchicken | You're the director of this road-show. | 08:53 |
| Lure | manchicken: is the bug with adept and dpkg interactive fixes (flash, java packages)? | 08:53 |
| manchicken | And I found a way to run chroot and tell the difference between proggies running in chroot and proggies not running in chroot ^_^ | 08:54 |
| Riddell | manchicken: if you fancy some python you could port the ubuntu souces.list editor to qt 4. if you prefer c++ you could add the main/universe support to adept | 08:54 |
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| manchicken | Use a different user ^_^ | 08:54 |
| mhb | Lure: my computer is very noisy and should use less CPU. Is it enough? :o) | 08:54 |
| Riddell | Lure: it's not, but I'll get to it | 08:54 |
| manchicken | Lure: Naw. I'm not sure where that bug lies. I think it may just be a focus issue. | 08:54 |
| Lure | mhb: switch back to dapper (kernel of dapper was way better than edgy or current feisty) - but only in regard to battery life | 08:55 |
| manchicken | Although it'd be nice if there was a way to present that stuff in a GUI. | 08:55 |
| Lure | manchicken: it is ICE_AUTHORITY issue | 08:55 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Do you know what package that sources editor is? | 08:55 |
| manchicken | Oh, really? | 08:55 |
| manchicken | I didn't think it'd be that deep. Though I suppose I never really looked into it. | 08:56 |
| manchicken | I don't really install non-free packages, so I never really see it. | 08:56 |
| mhb | Lure: battery life is quite important for me | 08:56 |
| Lure | manchicken: at least this was seen when it was "debugged" at UDS-MtView with Simon Law | 08:56 |
| manchicken | Most of those packages aren't even compiled for amd64. | 08:56 |
| mhb | Lure: and I guess it is for many users | 08:56 |
| mhb | Lure: but most of them don't know that it can be improved - therefore they don't complain :o) | 08:57 |
| Lure | mhb: agreed. | 08:57 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I'll do which ever you want me to do. You're the director of this road-show. I'm just the fat red-bearded guy with ADD, too much free time, a 6-pack, and a jigsaw puzzle. | 08:57 |
| Lure | mhb: the problem is that we cannot fix polling due to PyKDE/dbus issues | 08:57 |
| Lure | manchicken: lol | 08:58 |
| manchicken | My three goals for the day have to do with beer, code, and jigsaw puzzles. | 08:58 |
| mhb | manchicken: do the adept then :o) | 08:58 |
| mhb | manchicken: as Jonathan suggested | 08:58 |
| Lure | manchicken: if you want to mess with kdepim, you may want to get some patches from suse for networkstatus | 08:59 |
| Riddell | manchicken: since I can't find where the sources editor is just now, maybe you could look at adding a main/universe notification to adept | 08:59 |
| manchicken | mhb: He suggested two possible things. I have no preference. | 08:59 |
| Lure | manchicken: described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking | 08:59 |
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| mhb | manchicken: if you know how to write python, you can do the souces.list editor | 09:00 |
| Lure | manchicken: I plan to do this when I find some time, but probably not that soon | 09:00 |
| mhb | manchicken: I can help with that (although I have my own stuff to do) | 09:00 |
| manchicken | I don't really KNOW any language. Except maybe C and Perl. | 09:00 |
| manchicken | One language is as good as another. | 09:00 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 09:00 |
| manchicken | Let me look at this spec here. | 09:01 |
| manchicken | Either way, I'm happy that at least I get to MURDER this patch headache. | 09:02 |
| manchicken | Do you know the package for the python proggy? | 09:02 |
| Riddell | got it, it's /usr/bin/software-properties from update-manager | 09:03 |
| Riddell | manchicken: ^^ | 09:03 |
| manchicken | cool | 09:03 |
| Riddell | manchicken: so bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/update-manager/main and code away | 09:04 |
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| mhb | manchicken: if possible make a public bzr branch so we can take part or help too :o) | 09:05 |
| manchicken | I have no idea what you're talking about ^_^ | 09:05 |
| manchicken | DARNIT! intltool is 404ing on install. | 09:06 |
| manchicken | That might not be good. | 09:06 |
| manchicken | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/intltool/intltool_0.35.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 09:06 |
| Riddell | sudo apt-get update | 09:08 |
| manchicken | Argh. | 09:08 |
| manchicken | I should probably upgrade, too. | 09:08 |
| manchicken | I haven't updated my feisty chroot since mid-december. | 09:09 |
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| manchicken | Wow, lots of updates. | 09:16 |
| manchicken | Is there a code-freeze date set? | 09:19 |
| Riddell | http://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 09:20 |
| Riddell | February 8th for all features | 09:20 |
| Riddell | the feature doesn't have to be working, but it has to be in | 09:20 |
| manchicken | w00t! My birthday! | 09:21 |
| manchicken | I'll be 25 on the code-freeze. | 09:21 |
| Riddell | cool :) | 09:21 |
| manchicken | what's GNU-HALO? Just a WM? | 09:21 |
| Riddell | no idea | 09:26 |
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| elcuco | hi all | 09:29 |
| Riddell | yo elcuco | 09:30 |
| elcuco | crap, 24 is starting :) | 09:30 |
| Riddell | really? | 09:30 |
| Riddell | the new series? | 09:30 |
| elcuco | no... the old one... | 09:30 |
| === manchicken craves CSI-ey goodness... | ||
| === manchicken craves European beer... | ||
| elcuco | anyway, the livecd needs to have hebrew suport. how can i help with this | 09:31 |
| Riddell | elcuco: there's no space on the CD for more languages | 09:33 |
| Riddell | elcuco: isn't it an installed system you are having the problem with? | 09:33 |
| elcuco | on my system it is (i guess). i have kde-i18n-he. this should be enough for kde | 09:33 |
| manchicken | Maybe we should take off one of the proprietary packages to make room ;) | 09:34 |
| manchicken | heh | 09:34 |
| elcuco | manchicken: :) | 09:34 |
| Riddell | elcuco: it needs language-pack-kde-he-base | 09:36 |
| Riddell | and language-pack-he-base | 09:36 |
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| elcuco | Riddell: when you come back, both are installed | 09:38 |
| elcuco | Riddell: when you come back, both were installed | 09:39 |
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| Riddell | elcuco: so hmm, I'm out of ideas | 10:08 |
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| elcuco | Riddell: about kdesktop beein ltr, it's wierd. since kapplication reversed the layout according to some string defined in kdelibs.po. however, kde is translated (i am quite sure as I see the hebrew UI). | 10:09 |
| elcuco | this might be a problem with caching, or some ugly patch done to kdebase. | 10:09 |
| Riddell | elcuco: try it with a new user maybe | 10:14 |
| Riddell | elcuco: does kicker and konqueror et al all go reversed? | 10:15 |
| elcuco | ok, adduser or is there a cool funky kubuntu gui? | 10:15 |
| elcuco | Riddell: all the applications are hebrew translated and RTL, the only problem is kdesktop, which is LTR | 10:15 |
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| Riddell | elcuco: adduser is easiest if you are a command line user | 10:16 |
| elcuco | i hate cli | 10:17 |
| Riddell | ah well, use system settings then | 10:19 |
| elcuco | i think i understand what happens... now wht | 10:21 |
| elcuco | it looks like kdesktop cannot load kdelibs.po. i see some basic strings in english. | 10:21 |
| elcuco | now, i need to understand how can i "strace" kdesktop.... | 10:22 |
| elcuco | mv kdesktop kdekstop.bin && echo "strace -f -o /tmp/1.txt" > kdesktop && chmod +x kdekstop | 10:25 |
| Riddell | you can just killall kdesktop and start it again from the command line | 10:25 |
| elcuco | that could work | 10:26 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Are you just wanting software-properties/ | 10:26 |
| Riddell | manchicken: nope | 10:26 |
| Riddell | manchicken: oh, yes | 10:26 |
| Riddell | sorry, mis-read you | 10:26 |
| Riddell | manchicken: wanting it ported to qt4? yes | 10:26 |
| manchicken | So you want me to rip software-properties out of update-manager? | 10:26 |
| Riddell | manchicken: no, we'll let mvo do that later | 10:26 |
| Riddell | just keep it all in the same tree for now | 10:27 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 10:27 |
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| elcuco | ok, that was fun... | 10:33 |
| elcuco | anyway, it seems kdesktop does not load kdelibs.po at all. i tested also kdialog and that one does. | 10:33 |
| elcuco | i assume there is something wrong in kdesktop in kubuntu | 10:34 |
| manchicken | Grumble... | 10:36 |
| manchicken | update-manager doesn't seem to have cdbs-edit-patch working.... | 10:36 |
| manchicken | Stops with... make: *** No rule to make target `apply-patches'. Stop. | 10:37 |
| Riddell | apt-get build-dep update-manager? | 10:38 |
| manchicken | Nothing there. | 10:39 |
| manchicken | I type cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_qtport_pass0 and it goes, and finally dies on that error I pasted. | 10:40 |
| Riddell | don't edit a patch | 10:41 |
| Riddell | branch the bzr archive and work from that | 10:42 |
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| manchicken | I have no idea how to do such a thing. | 10:46 |
| manchicken | Normally I've been just apt-get sourcing and working off of that. | 10:46 |
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| Lure | manchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainedPackages might help | 11:00 |
| manchicken | So I'm guessing I should go off of the main branch? | 11:05 |
| manchicken | So I would bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main ./ then? | 11:06 |
| manchicken | or would I bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/qtport | 11:06 |
| manchicken | (I don't know why we're not just using svn...) | 11:07 |
| manchicken | Okay, how do you build a package that you gram from bzr? Just dpkg-buildpackage? | 11:15 |
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| fdoving | manchicken: bzr-builddeb | 12:07 |
| manchicken | What package is that in? | 12:08 |
| fdoving | you can find it at http://jameswestby.net/debian/ | 12:08 |
| fdoving | you also need python-debian | 12:08 |
| fdoving | on the same url. | 12:08 |
| manchicken | Really? No "official" packages for that? Interesting. | 12:09 |
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| manchicken | Nice. It requires an old version of python... | 12:11 |
| manchicken | Not working. | 12:14 |
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