=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] hello Riddell === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:29] Heya === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === niroxx [n=niroxx@achn-4db49195.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === niroxx [n=niroxx@achn-4db49195.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121m3q.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211__ [n=andrew@user-1121d18.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:44] I've made a wiki page about one of my points in the meeting agenda. It's not so short, so you might want to read it before the meeting. Here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/NewWidgetStyle . A link to it is on Kubuntu/Meetings btw. === Jucato thinks Polyester or QtCurve looks well with Crystal [03:46] Jucato: um ... Crystal Window Decorations? Icon theme? [03:46] er Crystal windeco sorry === Jucato doesn't like the polyester windeco that much... but that's just him... [03:48] Jucato: that's fine, if you can express your opinion in a constructive way, [03:49] heh :) [03:49] Jucato: Polyester is just my personal favourite, but as I stated on the page, that is to be discussed. [03:49] ok. haven't read the whole page yet. just wanted to get that opinion of mine in :) [03:50] Jucato: do you think the rationale is wrong? [03:50] hm.. I'll read it [03:52] mhb, doesn't Kubuntu also use plastik by default? [03:54] Jucato: hmm ... I think last time I talked to Kenneth he said Lipstik's the one ... but if you know those two you know they are practically the same [03:54] yeah [03:57] mhb: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals "widgetStyle=plastik" [04:00] Jucato: ah [04:00] Jucato: you are right [04:01] although, I have a bit of a problem trusting everything in k-d-s... I observe that the .kcsrc file in k-d-s doesn't match the on being used actually in Edgy... [04:02] Jucato: what do you think about the rationale and the idea of changing the widget style to match the window decorations, kicker etc. ? [04:03] Jucato: not about my suggestion, but the idea in general [04:03] imho it's pretty reasonable [04:05] i'm looking into the issues right now [04:06] Jucato: one of them was already fixed === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] which one? [04:07] Hobbsee!!! [04:07] Hobbsee's the sign I should really go to sleep :o) [04:08] Jucato: the K menu one [04:08] aw.. === nixternal builds polyester for edgy to look at [04:08] ah how was it fixed? [04:08] it looks good, and i think i used to use this in the apst [04:08] nixternal: builds? [04:08] a 1.0 edgy build so i can install it :) [04:08] aaah [04:08] Jucato!!! [04:08] mhb: hahaha, nah [04:08] what's the time there? [04:08] 04:08 [04:08] nixternal: what versoin is polyester now? [04:08] !info kde-style-polyester feisty [04:09] mhb: ouch [04:09] kde-style-polyester: The Polyester widget style for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99+1.0rc1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 160 kB, installed size 552 kB [04:09] 1.0 [04:09] .99 [04:09] ya [04:09] that versoin? [04:09] thats what it is now yes [04:09] the latest is 1.0 on kde-look (for almost a month now) [04:10] mhb: removing the gray rectangle on kmenu, is that an art thing? [04:11] nixternal: it's a code thing, but it can be done [04:11] ahh [04:11] removing the grey rectangle? there's an option to turn it off in polyester [04:11] nixternal: well then it's even easier :o) [04:12] I think turning off the menu stripe by default would make it more consistent... [04:12] i use a transparent kmenu, so it isn't all that noticeable [04:14] Jucato: You may be right. [04:14] Jucato: that can be easily done :o) the first part is to decide if we will change the widget style. [04:14] at all [04:15] a change would be good... and Crystal windeco + Plastik doesn't really look good, imho [04:15] what do i need to do in order to get the theme to apply to ff? [04:15] nixternal: GTK+ Styles and Fonts [04:15] nixternal: NEAT!!! [04:15] System Settings -> Appearance [04:15] !info gtk-qt-engine [04:15] Package gtk-qt-engine does not exist in any distro I know [04:16] !info gtk-qt-engine feisty [04:16] gtk-qt-engine: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.70-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 87 kB, installed size 392 kB [04:16] !gtk2-engines-gtk-qt [04:16] gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.70-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 80 kB, installed size 364 kB [04:16] it was renamed? [04:16] yes [04:16] oh... [04:17] hm... any plans on renaming adept again? :) [04:17] hi manchicken! [04:17] w00t! [04:18] So I have 3 things on my agenda this evening. [04:18] manchicken!!! [04:18] what are they? [04:18] 1) Beer, 2) Hacking a bit, 3) Putting some of this jigsaw puzzle together. === Hobbsee has one [04:18] I'm getting pissed off with this warm winter weather. [04:18] hehe [04:19] The bugs are going to be insane. [04:20] says i have it already installed yet the theme doesn't apply to the ff menus [04:21] nixternal: you mean the grey stripe? [04:21] manchicken: which bugs? [04:22] nah, the glass looking selectors [04:22] Hobbsee: The ones that the cold winter was supposed to kill ^_^ [04:22] ah [04:22] nixternal: in GTK+ Styles and Fonts, did you set it to use your KDE style? [04:23] shh [04:23] ;p [04:23] :) [04:23] it is already set [04:24] argh [04:24] hm.. restart firefox? [04:24] yup [04:25] hm.. strange... [04:25] i just noticed that none fo the styles apply to ff [04:26] keramik has some cool glassy/glossy menu highlights === Hobbsee updates her pbuilder [04:26] too glossy, imho [04:26] and that's coming from someone who likes glossy :) [04:26] the rest of theme is yes [04:26] but the menu highlights take the cake [04:27] well, there's one thing I don't like about keramik's widget style === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A73879.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] how it applies the color to window backgrounds === Hobbsee wants a screenshot [04:27] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969 [04:27] thats kinda sharp looking [04:28] someone tell me what time i'm working tonight, please... [04:28] Keramik takes the Button's color for the Window background... [04:28] except for those stupid vista buttons [04:28] Hobbsee: i said you can have the day off :) [04:28] nice....ish [04:28] nixternal: that's what we use now, isn't it? :o) [04:28] nixternal: nah, the other lady there will not be pleased [04:29] mhb: we set the defaults :P [04:29] mhb: damn it is [04:29] but that looks cooler :) === Jucato couldn't see the screenshot because of the slow internet connection... [04:30] nixternal: really? === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] which looks cooler? keramik? [04:30] nixternal: in what way? [04:30] polyester beats them all :P [04:30] mind you, the transparency/translucency looks kinda nice [04:31] just that entire glass/see through looked neat. maybe it is just that guys setup though [04:31] yes, polyester is a very nice alternative and looks well with Crystal windeco [04:31] nixternal: if you want transparency, either use Beryl or wait for kwin4 :o) [04:31] qt-curve! [04:31] haha [04:31] that's another good alternative nixternal :) [04:31] mhb: i would rather jump off the golden gate bridge into a boat of razor blades than use beryl [04:31] nixternal: did you see the meeting time? [04:32] I was actually suggesting that too [04:32] Hobbsee: i believe i did, i think i posted the new date and time to the fridge as well [04:32] so that's the final date/time? [04:32] nixternal: cool [04:32] Jucato: havent read my logs of last night yet, but i'm hoping so [04:33] Hobbsee: the "polyester beats them all" was irony or not? [04:33] dunno. i like polyester :) === Jucato likes polyester and qtcurve almost equally [04:33] Hobbsee: you read the wiki page I made? [04:34] mhb: probably not. do i have the address? [04:34] two advantages of qtcurve, for me, are: extremely customizable (we can ship/make our own "theme" for it, just like we do in Crystal) and there's a QtCurve for GTK+ [04:34] someone should merge keep, btw [04:35] Hobbsee: yes, either in the logs or on Kubuntu/Meetings page .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/NewWidgetStyle === mhb should go to bed. Really. === Jucato forgot where he got his qtcurve-kde3 and qtcurve-gtk2 debs from... [04:36] someone check that kwwii will be around for the meeting, if i dont, please [04:36] good night all [04:36] I'll ask him when I see him :) [04:36] night mhb! [04:36] Hobbsee: I can ask him too, after all he's in the same timezone. [04:37] mhb: cool :) === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee uploads polyester [04:39] hey jack_wyt_ [04:40] Hobbsee: 1.0? [04:40] Jucato: of polyester === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [04:40] yeah? === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt____!*@*] by Hobbsee === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [04:40] yep [04:40] ooh [04:41] : [04:41] :) === Jucato wonders why no one has packaged qtcurve... [04:41] (to feisty) [04:41] i think it's on REVU === Hobbsee recalled that no one particularly liked it [04:41] really? [04:42] I find it to be the most KDE-like (i.e., so very customizable) style... === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] and it also has the added advantage of having a GTK+ version, which makes it consistent across apps... [04:42] Jucato: true [04:42] Jucato: i seem to recall that the argument was "we dont want to look like gnome" [04:43] ah because it's somewhat like bluecurve? === Jucato uses a modified Glass QtCurve theme [04:43] Eh, I don't care about looking like gnome. I wish that apps were more cross DE friendly.. [04:43] er modified Shiny Glass... doesn't look like GNOME at all [04:43] Jucato: well if it's similar to a GNOME-like theme it will not make it as default [04:44] mhb: the thing is, QtCurve comes with so many schemes [04:44] I still believe in the "no revolution" concept I stated on that wiki page [04:44] well, yeah, if you put it that way... [04:45] "no revolution" would mean it's more likely to get accepted... === Hobbsee kicks soyuz === Hobbsee remembers sethk packaging polyester originally :P [04:45] Jucato: do me a screenshot and we can discuss it [04:46] s/do/make [04:46] no, you should sleep first mhb :) [04:46] right [04:46] let's discuss when you awaken :) === Jucato uploads the screenshot anyway [04:47] hmm. i restarted x and that took care of all of the menus, except for ff [04:47] Jucato: i just got done going through all of the qtcurve themes [04:47] there are 3 good themes [04:47] strange... you shouldn't have to restart X... [04:47] /sees Hobbsee carrying her stick and hides [04:47] clear, inverted, and dull glass all stand out nicely [04:47] shiny glass, with a couple of modifications, can look like a shinier polyester [04:47] n8k99: heh [04:48] uh oh, ajmitch's server is gone again...that *always* dies when he's away [04:48] http://jucato.org/stuff/qtcurve-shinymod.png [04:48] nice [04:49] Accepted: [04:49] OK: polyester_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [04:49] -> Component: universe Section: kde [04:49] OK: polyester_1.0.orig.tar.gz [04:49] OK: polyester_1.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [04:49] with qtcurve-gtk2 installed, firefox uses the same scheme if GTK+ Styles and Fonts is set to "Use my KDE Style..." [04:51] http://jucato.org/stuff/firefox-qtcurve.png [04:52] http://www.nixternal.com/screeny.png [04:52] ^^ inverted qtcurve theme [04:52] heh yeah the inverted glass also looks nice [04:52] but it doesn't look consistent with Crystal windeco, imho... [04:53] no it doesn't, but looks good with the default kde theme whatever that is [04:53] plastik [04:53] default KDE windeco? [04:53] yeah, KDE default uses Plastik style and windeco [04:53] ooh irssi... [04:54] what about irssi? [04:54] pretty pretty [04:54] oh, the setup i use? [04:54] how did you get a nick list column?!?! :O [04:55] nicklist.pl and screen within a screen [04:55] oh [04:55] I thought it was built in [04:55] nah, it is actually 2 screens running in 1 screen session [04:55] :) === Jucato contemplates on lunch... [04:56] plastik actually looks pretty nice [04:56] it's plain, simple, and beatiful in simplicity... [04:57] it's also old and plain :P [04:57] ya, i enjoy simplicity [04:57] and doesn't look well w/ crystal :) [04:57] i did a simpli theme for kde in the mid 90's that was sharp [04:57] that was simplistic [04:57] oh yeah, i was going to install the new polyester... [04:57] from simplicity to complexity: plastik > lipstik > polyester > qtcurve [04:58] rsi breaktime! === Hobbsee wonders about restarting X now [04:59] lunch time! 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[06:36] You put zeros and ones on your header. [06:36] Weak. [06:36] I'm so hesitant to get back into adept. [06:37] It's been so long since I've touched it. [06:37] hehe [06:37] go on [06:37] Like, almost 3 weeks. [06:37] I don't think I've had nearly enough to drink yet. === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] Ack, I can't keep working on it until I get some feedback from Tonio === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] That's okay, I need to set up backups... [06:52] I can't believe I've neglected backups so long. [06:53] I'm considering playing some games. === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:56] manchicken: Open Source Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes [06:56] is that better? :) [06:56] heh [06:56] that binary version must have been done by a silly plugin [06:57] That should be more like: Free Software Chicago Style: Popping some caps up in some fascist proprietary software ass. [06:57] hahaha === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:57] going gangstah on proprietary [06:58] Anything worth shooting once, is worth shooting twice. [06:58] lol [06:59] Wow, keep really means "backup now" when you click "backup now". [06:59] Not even a thread with progress window. [07:00] heh === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] Anybody seen Tonio lately? === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=upirc@161.216.48.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.142.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] Riddell: is the change for language installation already in festy - as mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu [09:37] Riddell: I do not see these new buttons on my system === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:49] good morning [11:50] morning mhb! [11:51] mhb: posted my screenshots [11:52] Jucato: where? [11:53] http://jucato.org/stuff/qtcurve-shinymod.png and http://jucato.org/stuff/firefox-qtcurve.png === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:56] Jucato: nice, just toolbar is a bit strange in Sys Settings (near search) [11:56] heh I modified Konqueror a lot :) [11:57] er.. sorry === Jucato is out of it [11:57] Jucato: is this special theme for firefox or just qt-gtk [11:57] Lure: I'm using qtcurve-kde3 and qtcurve-gtk2 [11:58] This is related to mhb's proposal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/NewWidgetStyle [11:58] btw, I'm not sure why, but it seems that only System Settings is exhibiting that toolbar behavior... [11:58] Jucato: yes, have seen that - hope that kwwii and pinhero will be on the meeting [11:59] yeah I hope so too === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:03] Jucato: if you want you can add those pictures on a wiki page and add some explanations to your choice so that it can be also discussed at the meeting === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:04] ok. maybe later... konqueror bug weekend :) === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] hey all === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:52] hi Hobbsee [12:54] hey mhb!! [12:58] Hobbsee: informed Kenneth about the meeting date change [12:59] mhb: yay, thankyou :) === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-217-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure [02:06] any developer around to upload eqonimize - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3979 [02:06] it is just new tar from upstream - the rest is the same [02:10] hey Lure === Hobbsee|NotHere is now known as Hobbsee [02:11] hi Hobbsee - can you upload it for me? [02:11] Lure: i'm on windows at the moment === Hobbsee CURSES flash === Lure understands that I might have woke you up ;-) [02:11] no, no :) === Hobbsee had to do an online test, to get another job === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] Lure: certainly should be [02:12] hey Riddell === pascalFR [i=fezx0K66@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] "which two out of these 5 are different?" "blown if i know. hwo is this relevant?" [02:13] Riddell: not here... :-( [02:13] what is your criteria for defining difference? argh! === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Lure rebooting to try new kdebase changes [02:34] I wonder how the new adept dist-upgrade tool will be distributed [02:35] would it be possible to make Edgy packages? [02:35] mhb: like sru? === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] bug 78184 - huh? [02:36] Malone bug 78184 in kdebase "??" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78184 === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] Riddell (or other core-dev): can you review and upload kdebase for me - http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kdebase16.debdiff [02:43] Lure: about the sru ... I don't know - that's why I ask [02:44] mhb: I am not sure - spec does not say what is the plan in this regard - you will need to ask Riddell [02:44] Lure: I know - read it myself [02:45] mhb: btw, I like your proposal to change widget theme for feisty [02:45] mhb: it does not matter if polyester or qtcurve is the answer it is just that plastik is old ;-) [02:47] Lure: thanks ... yes, I think that too [02:47] yay Lure :) [02:48] argh...i cant stand windows :( === Hobbsee is now known as Hobbsee|NotHere === Hobbsee|NotHere beds [02:49] Riddell: Would the Kubuntu dist-upgrade tool be distributed to Edgy? And how? If so, one of the important factors (for me) is the availability of translations. [02:51] Hobbsee|NotHere: goodnight [02:53] mhb: yes, but I need to think about that [02:53] mhb: we'll need a patched version of adept which downloads the tool [02:56] Riddell: okay. I believe you'll think of something :o) Please don't forget to distribute translations somehow. I know that can be difficult but it will make life easier for a lot of non-English Kubuntu users. [03:04] mhb: I thought that translations are updated for released versions from time to time... [03:05] Lure: yes, they are [03:05] mhb: so we could use this [03:05] Lure: but the strings we need to translate are not in the .pot templates [03:05] (for Edgy) [03:05] and I believe the templates are closed [03:06] mhb: right :-( === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121d18.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] Heya [04:03] sebas: will check in #kde-devel re bug 65791 [04:03] Malone bug 65791 in guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 [04:04] sebas: I also want to include the patch for currency change - I am just not sure if we are not too late [04:04] Tagging is 15th jan, so no, not too late. [04:05] sebas: so you suggest that I send proposed patches to kde-devel ML or commit to branch and do CCMAIL: kde-devel? === Lure never messed in kde svn out of guidance ;-) [04:05] It seems unmaintained, if there's a bug in bko, submitting should be fine. [04:06] But CCMAIL kde-devel in any case [04:06] Not sure how safe they are, but doing it 2 minutes before tagging is not a good idea :-) [04:06] sebas: ok, will first update bug in bko [04:09] mhb: how do you deal with bug 78174 w/o loosing your mind? :) [04:09] Malone bug 78174 in irm "UCF: Missing dependency for Post-inst script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78174 [04:11] nixternal: why do you ask me? :o) [04:12] hrmm [04:12] i posted the wrong bug number [04:12] i was talking about the bug ?? with no info whatsoever === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] Hobbsee: aren't you supposed to sleep? [04:15] mhb: tried that. got boring. [04:15] hi Hobbsee, hi nixternal [04:15] heya Jucato [04:15] sebas: I think we have another issue in powermanager: actions if multiple users are logged in [04:16] now Jucato *definetly* should be asleep [04:16] nixternal: :o) that one. Don't tell me the author added just the translation of the two words :o) [04:16] Hobbsee: nah.. 11:15 PM [04:16] haha ya [04:16] sebas: gnome uses /bin/check-foreground-console to detect who should be in charge [04:16] just got back from a 3-4 hour meeting... [04:17] sebas: I think I have experienced it today - I had another user on other console (for testing) and it hibernated by machine (accordning to idle setting) [04:17] mhb: point him to bug writing 101 [04:17] sebas: will test further to confirm that this is the case [04:17] Jucato: oh yeah, wrong way... [04:21] nixternal: which one? [04:21] nixternal: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ? === niroxx [n=niroxx@achn-4db4997d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] nixternal: that should do it :o) === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-217-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [05:32] Riddell: Slo currency change also committed to 3.5 branch in kde svn: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/l10n/si/entry.desktop?rev=620562&view=auto [05:32] Lure: groovy, that means we'll pick it up with 3.5.6 [05:33] Lure: if you want to do a SRU.. good luck [05:33] Riddell: will not ask for sru unless I get some bug for it (I am all feisty now ;-)) [05:34] Riddell: and it will be in 3.5.6 release you will add to kubuntu.org anyhow [05:35] my fonts have messed up terribly with the latest Feisty upgrade [05:36] Riddell: I am just not sure if I should just commit kenergy fix too (I would prefer another review), since the code looks unmaintained (and I did not get any response from last commiter) [05:37] Lure: nothing from heliocastro? [05:37] Riddell: no, I have sent mails week back [05:37] Lure: just commit then and CC helio [05:37] Lure: Send it to kde-devel and tell that you'll commit it if noone objects within three days [05:37] Or do what Riddell says, even better :-) [05:38] well, if you're patient do as sebas says :) [05:38] nonononono, do as Riddell says ;-) === sebas is never patient though [05:39] sebas: ok, will commit and CC helio - I am 100% sure it is the way to go, just would feel better if someone could review it [05:39] lol [05:39] Lure: mind and sync to KDE 4 too if the code is still in KDE 4 [05:40] ryanakca: btw, Hobbsee has uploaded new eqonomize 0.4 (which you packaged) [05:40] oh? [05:40] Riddell: I hope this code is not there anymore ;-) [05:40] Riddell: I did not find l10n stuff in kde4 (still searching) === ryanakca looks... I had packaged 0.3... never knew 0.4 was out [05:41] ryanakca: I started using it recently and needed upgrade, so I updated it to new release [05:41] kk [05:48] Riddell: btw, did you find the cause for missing language installer/selector buttons? [05:49] Lure: no, not looked at it [05:49] apt is broken on my machine, so it's hard to update it [05:49] Riddell: np, I started it from command line anyhow === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] Who wants to make me happy and fix bug 78209 ? [05:56] Malone bug 78209 in kubuntu-meta "[feisty] Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209 === besonen3 [n=besonen3@dsl-db.pacinfo.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:06] mhb: reboot maybe to reload some fonts? (just guessing about half that sentence) [06:06] or wait, nevermind... antialiasing or whatever it's called on? [06:09] mhb: true, todays upgrade did change (to worse) also on my system === ryanakca decides to put off upgrading [06:12] mhb: have changed package to fontconfig which is probable suspect === mbiebl [n=michael@e180126205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] Lure: probably === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-143-145.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:27] Lure: thanks === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-108-68.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:03] it seems the last fontconfig upgrade has fixed problems with local characters but introduced the problem with rendering :o) === joe3k [n=joe@p54942AE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-7-177.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:36] Riddell: kick damien_karras? [07:37] Jucato: yes please [07:37] eh? [07:39] #kubuntu [07:39] some troll... === mbiebl [n=michael@e180126205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:05] Hmm... Anybody seen Tonio?? [08:06] I really hope he hasn't been abducted by aliens or something. [08:06] That would be most unfortunate ;) [08:07] manchicken: read the logs [08:07] manchicken: from yesterday early [08:07] manchicken: truth is, you're not going to see him here anytime soon [08:08] Oh? [08:08] It was aliens, wasn't it? [08:09] manchicken: worse [08:09] (where might I find the logs?) [08:09] manchicken: has some personal reasons to be away [08:09] That's cool. [08:09] !irclogs [08:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about irclogs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [08:09] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-2007-01-05.html [08:09] search for Tonio [08:10] manchicken: btw, great work on system settings - I like tabs more than old stuff [08:10] Groovy. [08:11] Aww, that's so sad. [08:12] I had the opposite happen to me. That is worse than being abducted by aliens. [08:14] Ignorance hurts us all. Either way... here's one for the homies. [08:17] Anybody else good at merges? [08:18] err, patches, whatever... [08:24] manchicken: what do you want to do? [08:24] This patch is giving me a headache. [08:25] I have no idea why, but it won't apply. [08:27] patch for what? [08:28] I've been working on the recommended UI changes to the sources editor in adept. [08:28] Or at least I was ^_^ [08:28] Before vacation. [08:28] manchicken: which recommended changes? [08:29] The one where it's not just a listview control with a bunch of text, but where it's more gui-ified. [08:29] I actually had a screenshot I was working on... [08:29] Where's the UI recommendations page? [08:30] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability this one? [08:30] I believe that be the feller. [08:30] manchicken: the feisty plan I had was to replace it with a qt version of the editor used in ubuntu [08:30] which is a python app [08:30] Ah. [08:30] Nobody tells me these things ;) [08:31] That's cool by me though. [08:31] if you know python, you're very welcome to start on it [08:32] Pssht. Like you actually need to know a language to use it? [08:32] ^_^ [08:32] it's part of the ubuntu upgrade tool at the moment [08:32] Oh, semantic or whatever? [08:33] synaptic ? :o) [08:33] That's it. [08:33] I wasn't sure if it was named similar to the norton people or the touchpad people _^^ [08:33] So easy to confuse the two. [08:33] it's not part of synaptic [08:34] synaptic has it's own one, but it calls the nicer ubuntu one if it's available instead [08:34] We should probably have some notes next to these items if we actually have plans for implementation on them. [08:35] Oh, so you're just talking about porting that proggy from GTK to Qt? [08:36] manchicken: yes [08:37] then small patch to adept to make it do the same as synaptic, and use the nicer editor if it's available [08:37] manchicken: take a look at kubuntu-feisty-adept-plan or whatever it's called to see similar ideas [08:38] manchicken: we also have a branch of adept in lauchpad.net/products/adept now that you can branch from [08:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyAdeptChanges [08:38] manchicken: and praetor has been doing adept stuff (getting to to do the dist upgrade check) [08:42] Well, if you have another thing that could use hacking, I could use a fresh project to wrap my head around. [08:43] As many problems as people say there are with adept, it's a damn usable proggy. [08:44] Though the code.... nevermind. [08:44] ^_^ [08:44] manchicken: I disagree though. The UI looks very cluttered, until recently it had problems with translations. [08:45] I agree with all of those. [08:45] But have you ever tried to use YaST2 or Smart for updates and installs? === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242381321.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:45] *THAT* is what I'm comparing it to. [08:46] Those programs have a better UI, but when you try to install stuff, you get conflicts, you get broken dependencies, and above all, you get mysterious crashes that are damn-near impossible to replicate. === mhb would love a apt/smart adept === hunger finds even aptitude easier to use than adept:-( [08:47] I use adept all the time. [08:47] I have no trouble with it. I suppose I'm just less picky. [08:47] ^_^ [08:47] manchicken: I don't get adept. But then I have not tried since sbortly before breezy. [08:47] Even my wife uses the add/remove programs version of adept. [08:49] Lure: I disagree that "polling still required" is not a major issue [08:50] Riddell: what is your concern? It is quite lite on cpu... [08:51] Riddell: if you do not agree, feel free to change the state in wiki [08:51] Lure: it means the computer will never be idle, that's not good on battery life [08:51] Riddell: right, but since we do not have tickless kernel it is not idle anyway ;-) [08:51] Riddell: btw, Fedora 7 will have tickless kernel [08:52] Riddell: I agree that polling is ugly and uses cpu (which it should not), but I do not see it as major issue (no user complained) [08:52] Riddell: So what do you want/need me to do? [08:53] Riddell: so it is not very visible [08:53] You're the director of this road-show. [08:53] manchicken: is the bug with adept and dpkg interactive fixes (flash, java packages)? [08:54] And I found a way to run chroot and tell the difference between proggies running in chroot and proggies not running in chroot ^_^ [08:54] manchicken: if you fancy some python you could port the ubuntu souces.list editor to qt 4. if you prefer c++ you could add the main/universe support to adept === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:54] Use a different user ^_^ [08:54] Lure: my computer is very noisy and should use less CPU. Is it enough? :o) [08:54] Lure: it's not, but I'll get to it [08:54] Lure: Naw. I'm not sure where that bug lies. I think it may just be a focus issue. [08:55] mhb: switch back to dapper (kernel of dapper was way better than edgy or current feisty) - but only in regard to battery life [08:55] Although it'd be nice if there was a way to present that stuff in a GUI. [08:55] manchicken: it is ICE_AUTHORITY issue [08:55] Riddell: Do you know what package that sources editor is? [08:55] Oh, really? [08:56] I didn't think it'd be that deep. Though I suppose I never really looked into it. [08:56] I don't really install non-free packages, so I never really see it. [08:56] Lure: battery life is quite important for me [08:56] manchicken: at least this was seen when it was "debugged" at UDS-MtView with Simon Law [08:56] Most of those packages aren't even compiled for amd64. [08:56] Lure: and I guess it is for many users [08:57] Lure: but most of them don't know that it can be improved - therefore they don't complain :o) [08:57] mhb: agreed. [08:57] Riddell: I'll do which ever you want me to do. You're the director of this road-show. I'm just the fat red-bearded guy with ADD, too much free time, a 6-pack, and a jigsaw puzzle. [08:57] mhb: the problem is that we cannot fix polling due to PyKDE/dbus issues [08:58] manchicken: lol [08:58] My three goals for the day have to do with beer, code, and jigsaw puzzles. [08:58] manchicken: do the adept then :o) [08:58] manchicken: as Jonathan suggested [08:59] manchicken: if you want to mess with kdepim, you may want to get some patches from suse for networkstatus [08:59] manchicken: since I can't find where the sources editor is just now, maybe you could look at adding a main/universe notification to adept [08:59] mhb: He suggested two possible things. I have no preference. [08:59] manchicken: described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:00] manchicken: if you know how to write python, you can do the souces.list editor [09:00] manchicken: I plan to do this when I find some time, but probably not that soon [09:00] manchicken: I can help with that (although I have my own stuff to do) [09:00] I don't really KNOW any language. Except maybe C and Perl. [09:00] One language is as good as another. [09:00] ^_^ [09:01] Let me look at this spec here. [09:02] Either way, I'm happy that at least I get to MURDER this patch headache. [09:02] Do you know the package for the python proggy? [09:03] got it, it's /usr/bin/software-properties from update-manager [09:03] manchicken: ^^ [09:03] cool [09:04] manchicken: so bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/update-manager/main and code away === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-53-65.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] manchicken: if possible make a public bzr branch so we can take part or help too :o) [09:05] I have no idea what you're talking about ^_^ [09:06] DARNIT! intltool is 404ing on install. [09:06] That might not be good. [09:06] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/intltool/intltool_0.35.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb [09:08] sudo apt-get update [09:08] Argh. [09:08] I should probably upgrade, too. [09:09] I haven't updated my feisty chroot since mid-december. === robtp [n=rob@cpe-66-24-24-5.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:16] Wow, lots of updates. [09:19] Is there a code-freeze date set? [09:20] http://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyReleaseSchedule [09:20] February 8th for all features [09:20] the feature doesn't have to be working, but it has to be in [09:21] w00t! My birthday! [09:21] I'll be 25 on the code-freeze. [09:21] cool :) [09:21] what's GNU-HALO? Just a WM? [09:26] no idea === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-152-97-218.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:29] hi all [09:30] yo elcuco [09:30] crap, 24 is starting :) [09:30] really? [09:30] the new series? [09:30] no... the old one... === manchicken craves CSI-ey goodness... === manchicken craves European beer... [09:31] anyway, the livecd needs to have hebrew suport. how can i help with this [09:33] elcuco: there's no space on the CD for more languages [09:33] elcuco: isn't it an installed system you are having the problem with? [09:33] on my system it is (i guess). i have kde-i18n-he. this should be enough for kde [09:34] Maybe we should take off one of the proprietary packages to make room ;) [09:34] heh [09:34] manchicken: :) [09:36] elcuco: it needs language-pack-kde-he-base [09:36] and language-pack-he-base === elcuco presses f12 and installs the new packages === Riddell goes out [09:38] Riddell: when you come back, both are installed [09:39] Riddell: when you come back, both were installed === niroxx [n=niroxx@achn-4db4997d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell comes back [10:08] elcuco: so hmm, I'm out of ideas === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] Riddell: about kdesktop beein ltr, it's wierd. since kapplication reversed the layout according to some string defined in kdelibs.po. however, kde is translated (i am quite sure as I see the hebrew UI). [10:09] this might be a problem with caching, or some ugly patch done to kdebase. [10:14] elcuco: try it with a new user maybe [10:15] elcuco: does kicker and konqueror et al all go reversed? [10:15] ok, adduser or is there a cool funky kubuntu gui? [10:15] Riddell: all the applications are hebrew translated and RTL, the only problem is kdesktop, which is LTR === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] elcuco: adduser is easiest if you are a command line user [10:17] i hate cli [10:19] ah well, use system settings then [10:21] i think i understand what happens... now wht [10:21] it looks like kdesktop cannot load kdelibs.po. i see some basic strings in english. [10:22] now, i need to understand how can i "strace" kdesktop.... [10:25] mv kdesktop kdekstop.bin && echo "strace -f -o /tmp/1.txt" > kdesktop && chmod +x kdekstop [10:25] you can just killall kdesktop and start it again from the command line [10:26] that could work [10:26] Riddell: Are you just wanting software-properties/ [10:26] manchicken: nope [10:26] manchicken: oh, yes [10:26] sorry, mis-read you [10:26] manchicken: wanting it ported to qt4? yes [10:26] So you want me to rip software-properties out of update-manager? [10:26] manchicken: no, we'll let mvo do that later [10:27] just keep it all in the same tree for now [10:27] Righto. === stupid [n=stupid@bzq-88-152-97-218.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:33] ok, that was fun... [10:33] anyway, it seems kdesktop does not load kdelibs.po at all. i tested also kdialog and that one does. [10:34] i assume there is something wrong in kdesktop in kubuntu [10:36] Grumble... [10:36] update-manager doesn't seem to have cdbs-edit-patch working.... [10:37] Stops with... make: *** No rule to make target `apply-patches'. Stop. [10:38] apt-get build-dep update-manager? [10:39] Nothing there. [10:40] I type cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_qtport_pass0 and it goes, and finally dies on that error I pasted. [10:41] don't edit a patch [10:42] branch the bzr archive and work from that === luc [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] I have no idea how to do such a thing. [10:46] Normally I've been just apt-get sourcing and working off of that. === |infinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F4777.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@211.27.210.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |infinity| is now known as TheInfinity [11:00] manchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainedPackages might help [11:05] So I'm guessing I should go off of the main branch? [11:06] So I would bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main ./ then? [11:06] or would I bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/qtport [11:07] (I don't know why we're not just using svn...) [11:15] Okay, how do you build a package that you gram from bzr? Just dpkg-buildpackage? === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] manchicken: bzr-builddeb [12:08] What package is that in? [12:08] you can find it at http://jameswestby.net/debian/ [12:08] you also need python-debian [12:08] on the same url. [12:09] Really? No "official" packages for that? Interesting. === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:11] Nice. It requires an old version of python... [12:14] Not working.