[12:15] <genii> premier_  in /etc/default do you have some file like powerd  or similar?
[12:17] <premier__> genii: no
[12:17] <genii> premier_ OK. On some systems there are specific options to be set in a file there but the exact filename I forget. Something like "powerd" or "powernowd"
[12:18] <genii> eg: default modules to load - AC, battery, and so on
[12:20] <_john_> anyone there?
[12:20] <genii> _john_ Yes, we see you :)
[12:20] <_john_> ok ! thanks
[12:21] <_john_> I'm calling for some help in setting my kubuntu to work wireless
[12:22] <_john_> I have purchased a trendnet usb module but it works on ms  drivers
[12:22] <genii> _john_ As far as I know there is not yet support for USB wifi
[12:22] <_john_> I wonder if there are drivers or something that i can do to make it wireless
[12:23] <_john_> is there support for kubuntu 6.10 ?
[12:24] <_john_> everybody is leaving?
[12:24] <genii> _john_ Odds are that there is some chipset in the adapter which a driver has been written for, but not a USB version.
[12:25] <premier__> genii: Is there a simple shell command that will hibernate my computer?
[12:25] <genii> _john_ People come and go constantly here LOL
[12:25] <jontec_> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[12:25] <_john_> oh! ok!
[12:25] <Mightily-Oats> morning all, i have a question im hoping is easy...
[12:25] <genii> premier_ For that I think you will need to install package "hibernate"
[12:26] <premier__> Id like to set it up so my computer will hibernate when its reached battery level critical, so I want my power manager to activate a script that will hiberante it
[12:26] <premier__> okay
[12:26] <_john_> so what is all the stuff on wireless in here for?
[12:26] <_john_> u think it is only for pci card?
[12:26] <premier__> done
[12:27] <Mightily-Oats> ive installed edgy recently with nolapic and noapic..... what am i missing out on by disabling these on a laptop?
[12:27] <premier__> so If I had a shell script and it had one line, "hibernate", it would hibernate my computer?
[12:28] <_john_> hello? If I bought a pci wireless card it would hook on?
[12:28] <premier__> thats strange
[12:28] <genii> _john_ Yes, most of the drivers which work well with any linux are usually PCI based standalone-type cards. Some pcmcia (laptop) cards too
 as a standard user you may have to chmod the hibernate command to allow users to run it (i had to with reboot and poweroff commands)
[12:28] <genii> Soory for lag, had to answer the phone
[12:29] <premier__> okay
[12:29] <_john_> ok then thanks very much for your help roger and out
[12:30] <premier__> Mightily-Oats: I ran the script, and then it showed my a colorful screen, did something, brought me back to my desktop, and said "/bin/echo: write error: Device or resource busy"
[12:30] <Mightily-Oats> umm.. does sudo hibernate work?
[12:30] <premier__> the colorful screen is the sameone I get when I try to access tty1-5.  Theres something wrong with my terminal
[12:30] <premier__> yeah, sudo hibernate was the command
[12:31] <Mightily-Oats> that... ok.. im not 100% on this.. but could that be the gfx card drivers?
[12:31] <premier__> yeah, the ati ones
[12:32] <premier__> I know theres something wrong with them
[12:32] <Mightily-Oats> ok... which ones have you installed?
[12:32] <premier__> wait, how do I find out?
[12:32] <Mightily-Oats> did you install the ati drivers using adept or synaptic?
[12:33] <Mightily-Oats> what model is your card?
[12:33] <premier_> apt-get i think
[12:33] <premier_> ati radeon mobility, um, X1400 i think
[12:33] <premier_> fglrx
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> ok... i have an x1600.. had colourful terminals sometimes when jumping between them... im no expert.. only speaking from what worked for me
[12:34] <premier_> thats my graphics card driver
[12:34] <genii> <-- expecting some visitors, will be afk 5-10 mins
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> edgy right?
[12:34] <premier_> yeah
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[12:34] <Mightily-Oats> using that guide i got my gfx working properly
[12:35] <Mightily-Oats> although.. to fix all problems i stoped kdm from starting.. so i start at console and type startx for the gui
[12:36] <Mightily-Oats> on that page.. ive done it the ubuntu way (not manually)
[12:36] <Mightily-Oats> and when i first followed the guide i almost missed the bit down the bottom
[12:37] <Hassan2a> tin a me saoule
[12:37] <Mightily-Oats> configuring the driver and finish the installation..
[12:37] <Mightily-Oats> after following that guide.. quake4 and doom3 (and all other gl games work nice :)
[12:39] <jontec_> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[12:39] <Mightily-Oats> so what im thinking is that after the gfx drivers are installed and working the hibernate should too... but i stress that im no expert.. just saying what worked for me
 firewall?
[12:41] <tuna> hey
[12:42] <tuna> for some reason, Adept wont connect to the APT database or something
[12:42] <tuna> i get an error message along those lines every time I open Adept
[12:43] <Mightily-Oats> you running adept or sudo adept?
[12:43] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: not sure if I want to disable kdm... do you think Ill do that?
[12:44] <Mightily-Oats> try without doing that first... on my x1600 it hung once.... and so i stopped it from starting (that and i like looking leet infront of others at my workplace :)
[12:45] <tuna> sudo, methinks
[12:45] <jontec_> Mightily_Oats: no firewall. I don't think the windows one has spawned itself back... I haven't run network setup wizard in ages O_o
[12:45] <Mightily-Oats> to disable it just open a terminal and kdesu kate /etc/X11/default-display manager
[12:45] <tuna> and i've tried sudo apt-get update
[12:45] <tuna> didn't work
[12:45] <Mightily-Oats> and remove the line.. and put the line back in again if you want it to start
 have you been able to connect using sudo apt-get before?
[12:46] <tuna> yes
[12:46] <tuna> but since yesterday, it stopped working :(
 can u ping using ipaddress?
[12:47] <ryantmer> Odd...
[12:47] <genii> tuna I would recommend checking the file /etc/apt/sources.list  if the cdrom entry has no # at the beginning, put one. Then all the other lines which start with "# deb" something... remove the #   ...you need to edit the file as root. Then run the sudo apt-get update
[12:47] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: umm... ping what from where?
[12:47] <ryantmer> When I try to run any programs I have installed, including Thunderbird and Gaim, they don't actually run
[12:47] <tuna> genii: how do i do that?
[12:47] <nihil_sum> This is my first day using Linux, on Kubuntu.  I love it.  It's so much better than Windows.
[12:47] <ryantmer> They just appear in the taskbar with the hourglass symbol for a bit, then disappear
[12:47] <tuna> indeed
[12:47] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I'm on the internet on the computer now... and I can read files from the computer I want to copy to.
[12:48] <genii> tuna Just by chance would you be trying to get to the ca.archive.ubuntu.com   archive?
[12:48] <slow-motion> n8
[12:48] <tuna> i dont know...
[12:48] <tuna> would the ca part stand for california?
[12:48] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I just can't send any files to it... they quit at like 32kb or 512kb, or 256kb, or 1024kb transferred.
[12:49] <genii> tuna No, Canada LOL
[12:49] <tuna> lol
[12:49] <ubuntu_> hi Todd
[12:49] <tuna> ok
 ok if you can read files then ping will work.. skip that bit..
[12:49] <genii> tuna Anyhow I will suppose not.
[12:49] <tuna> genii so how do i edit the file as root?
[12:49] <genii> Anyone remember how to run the kde graphic editor in root? I am always using nano etc but i think tuna will be better with the kde editor
[12:50] <Mightily-Oats> how are you sending files?
[12:50] <Mightily-Oats> kdesu kate
[12:50] <genii> Mightily-Oats Thanks :)
[12:50] <zehsounddude> is it "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"???
[12:50] <genii> tuna OK, so in a konsole, type kdesu kate    thern open up that file  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:50] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I am using Konqueror... smb://<computer_name>/SharedDocs
[12:51] <tuna> ok
[12:51] <ubuntu_> Todd, hello
[12:52] <Mightily-Oats> np.. learnt that on<jontec_>: ok.. do you need to authenticate for that share or are you going in as guest?
[12:52] <genii> tuna The # symbol is used as a comment. So anything after a # will not be used. If the cdrom entry has no # you need to put one, otherwise it will hang up on that before anything else
[12:52] <ubuntu_> Todd, how long have you been using Kubuntu ?
[12:52] <kogber> Any Gnome users in here?  I am writing a Howto and I use KDE - need some Gnome autostart help
[12:52] <genii> tuna Then all other entries which start with # but then have something like deb http    or whatever after need the # removed
[12:53] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: guest, no authentication needed, I'm not getting a prompt to authenticate this time (though on rare occasions I do, but there's not authentication set for the folder... so I can't get in anyway)
 u have smbfs installed?
[12:53] <tuna> genii that doesnt seem to be the problem
[12:53] <blekos> what's the difference b2n karamba& superkaramba?
[12:53] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I'm assuming so?
[12:54] <premier_> genii, Mightily-Oats:  Do you think this will fix my tvtuner problem?
[12:54] <premier_> fixing my graphics drivers, that is?
[12:54] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: nope, just looked up the package, I'll install it...
[12:54] <genii> premier_ I hope so but truthfully doubt it
[12:54] <kogber> i just realized im in the kubuntu #, doh
[12:54] <tuna> genii only things comments have #'s in front of them :(
[12:54] <premier_> hmmm...
 im not sure... i have nat had any experience with tv tuners..
[12:55] <genii> tuna Well, regardless, make sure the file looks like how I said. Cdrom entry WITH a #, all the other ones starting wiith worrd deb NO comment. Then save it
[12:56] <premier_> well, me and genii spent a long night trying to get my tv tuner working, and genii said that there was something wrong with my graphics card driver and that he had hit a brick wall
[12:56] <tuna> genii the problem may be this repo that i've added...
[12:56] <tuna> brb
[12:56] <genii> premier_ I think it's due to the tvcard being on the usb bus frankly
[12:56] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: it just finished its install
[12:56] <premier_> hmmm...
[12:57] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. after smbfs is installed.. open a terminal and run mkdir x to make a directory called x in your home directory, and then run sudo mount -t smbfs //ipaddress.or.name.of.machine/share-name /home/yourusername/x
 oh well.. if it makes the tv card work.. bonus :)
[12:58] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: is x anything I want or acutally 'x'?
[12:58] <Mightily-Oats> either x or a better name :)
[12:58] <Mightily-Oats> i just like mapping stuff to x :)
[12:58] <Mightily-Oats> this command will map your share from the other machine to your home folder/x
[12:59] <ubuntu__> hello everybody
[12:59] <ubuntu__> how are you ?
[12:59] <tuna> genii it didn't work :(
[12:59] <Mightily-Oats> although.. i do recommend smb4k (nice app for browsing networks... its the envy of everyone at work.. cause theres no windows equivalent ;)
[12:59] <genii> tuna You said you recently added a repository. What was the url?
[01:00] <tuna> genii i don't know, i deleted it hoping that that would fix it.
[01:00] <Hassan2a_> unswerr me :d
[01:00] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I don't understand? wait so I'll put stuff in folder x and it will automatically be transferred to the other computer? and it is name of the other machine?
[01:00] <n8k99> ryantmer: it should be in your kmenu, under internet
[01:00] <genii> tuna OK. Did you run    sudo apt-get update    after that?
[01:01] <tuna> yes. that's how i found out that it didn't work.
[01:01] <tuna> genii want me to pastebin the results to you?
[01:01] <genii> tuna Good. I thought perhaps you may have tried adept first or so :)
[01:01] <Mightily-Oats> ummm.. no.. what the command is doing is mapping the other machines share as a browsable directory on your machine... from my experience its a bit more reliable than the smb://
[01:01] <genii> tuna Yes, pls pastebin the sources.list as well as the errors
[01:02] <genii> tuna I may need to go from the computer for a few minutes soon but don't despair. I am at work
[01:02] <ryantmer> n8k99: It is
[01:02] <tuna> k
[01:02] <ryantmer> But it doesn't actually run
[01:02] <Mightily-Oats> so you can browse it like a cdrom or a usb stick.. the contents of the other machines share appears in that folder.. if you dont like the command line you can install smb4k
[01:02] <n8k99> ryantmer
[01:03] <ryantmer> Yes?
[01:03] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I've been wanting command line for a while... it was limiting... not being able to do that.
[01:03] <n8k99> rynatmer: erg, try mozilla-thunderbird on the command line
[01:03] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: It tells me to install a driver, but apt-get says the driver is already installed... is that okay?
[01:04] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: okay, so what next, try to copy my files?
 what tells you ti install the driver?
[01:04] <ryantmer> n8k99: Nope, same thing. Pauses for a sec, then just goes to new line, but doesn't run it
[01:04] <kai> wasup peoples
 did it map, can u use konqueror and browse the folder?
[01:04] <premier_> the instruction manual you sent me
[01:04] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: yup
[01:05] <kai> ...are there any programmer in here?
[01:05] <premier_> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:05] <jontec_> what language... lol.
[01:05] <n8k99> ryantmer: what happens if you sudo apt-get install thunderbird
 yep.. try and copy
[01:05] <kai> I want to learn a language to do some devel work in linux..anyu suggestions?
[01:05] <genii> kai C or C++
[01:05] <tuna> genii here's the source.list: http://rafb.net/p/J6KMi543.html
 which part are you up to?
[01:05] <genii> tuna OK
[01:06] <kai> or than
[01:06] <jontec_> (I was gonna say ruby... lol.)
[01:06] <kai> what ruby or python
[01:06] <kai> what are some advantages and disadvatages
[01:06] <premier_> I just finished the last part
[01:06] <kai> to ruby and python
[01:06] <ryantmer> n8k99: "Package thunderbird is not available, but it is referred to by another package. This may mean that the packaage is missing, or has been obsoleted or is only available form another source"
[01:07] <premier_> Im gonna restart x and see if it worked
[01:07] <ryantmer> Then "E: Package thunderbird has not installation candidate"
[01:07] <Mightily-Oats> hand on a sec...
[01:07] <Mightily-Oats> hang
[01:07] <tuna> genii: the errors: http://rafb.net/p/RUw8tL90.html
[01:07] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: me?
[01:07] <n8k99> ryantmer do you have all the repos open in your sources.list ?
[01:07] <jontec_> kai: ruby is easy to pick up... and you can use ruby on rails with the language (ruby on rails is web development, very awesome), but if you're making software apps... really full blown ones... I'm thinking that I'll side with genii... I don't know C* to tell you anything about it, same goes for python
[01:07] <Mightily-Oats> yeah
[01:08] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: I'm gonna try to copy... I'll probably get disconnected... I'll try with command-line
[01:08] <ryantmer> n8k99: I'm going to say no, because I don't  know what that means O_o
[01:08] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. so the restricted modules are installed... the driver installed.. you sudo depmod -a
[01:08] <n8k99> ah ha!
[01:08] <Mightily-Oats> and that runs ok?
 ok.. could be because it was mounted as root.. try in the terminal sudo cp /file/you/want/to/copy /home/username/x
[01:09] <premier_> well, I havent restarted x
[01:09] <genii> tuna pls repost error url. I cannot scroll back in this command-line irc client
[01:09] <kai> I learning java as predominate
[01:09] <genii> (and no click-to url)
[01:09] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: it all seemed like I had already do everything the instruction manual said
 sudo depmod -a ran
[01:09] <kai> but I wanna do an other language for fun
[01:09] <n8k99> !sources.list
[01:09] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:09] <tuna> genii: http://rafb.net/p/RUw8tL90.html
[01:10] <genii> tuna Thanks
[01:10] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: I did that, it had no output
[01:10] <ryantmer> n8k99: Just type that in the konsole?
[01:10] <jontec_> hmm... I'm still on line... I wonder... if it will work...
[01:10] <tuna> yup
[01:10] <jontec_> online* it's working right now, I think
[01:10] <n8k99> um, no
[01:10] <tuna> genii: this didn't work either: http://rafb.net/p/MXJaj287.html
 ok.. thats good.. then you ran sudo aticonfig --initial with no prob?
[01:10] <n8k99> ryantmer check out !sources.list
[01:10] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: yeah, it said there was nothing to be done
[01:10] <n8k99> grr, nvrmnd
[01:11] <kai> any other suggestions?
[01:11] <genii> tuna Your main issue is that you have somehow inserted Debian repos in with the ubuntu ones.
[01:11] <n8k99> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <tuna> and i need to fix that?
[01:11] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: omg... it's there! that's amazing! gracias!
[01:11] <ryantmer> n8k99: What do I do with it?
[01:11] <genii> tuna Please comment out all the entries which have "debian" in them
[01:11] <n8k99> then remove # from in front of "deb http"
[01:11] <tuna> oh
[01:11] <tuna> i wish the "sudo damn you" command would work because that
[01:11] <premier_> should I try restarting X now?
[01:11] <tuna> is so much easier
[01:11] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: now if I ony had a progress bar instead of that ambiguous floating cursor...
[01:12] <GrahamA> Does Kubuntu come with any software for managing webcams?
[01:12] <Mightily-Oats> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[01:12] <Mightily-Oats> 
[01:12] <Mightily-Oats> worked fine?
[01:12] <premier_> yeah
 ok.. if you want the progress bar.. use smb4k.. it will intergrate with kde and use the file transfer box kde uses
[01:13] <premier_> Warning: Option 'VideoOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[01:13] <premier_> Warning: Option 'OpenGLOverlay' doesn't affect running session.
[01:13] <Mightily-Oats> oh.. is that the warning u got?
[01:13] <premier_> nothing to worry about?
[01:13] <premier_> yeah, thats the warknig
[01:13] <Mightily-Oats> i was thinking it was more serious.. yeah.. that should be fine :)
[01:13] <genii> I would say not to worry. jut it will take effect next session
[01:13] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. sry <premier_>
[01:13] <genii> ^ premier_
[01:13] <premier_> okay, so can I try it now
[01:14] <Mightily-Oats> yeah... it should work :)
[01:14] <premier_> ^ premier?
[01:14] <Mightily-Oats> although.. reboot.. works better than restarting x
[01:14] <genii> premier_ that means the line above eg: ^ was meant for you
[01:15] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: do I need to mount this everytime that I start Kubuntu?
[01:15] <jontec_> Mightily-Oats: and do I need to mount with smb4k next time?
[01:15] <premier_> back
[01:15] <Mightily-Oats> yeah to both
[01:15] <premier_> problem not solved
[01:15] <tuna> genii: i think it worked...
[01:15] <genii> tuna Good :)
 no hibernate still?
[01:16] <premier_> well, the terminals are still "colorful"
[01:16] <premier_> let me try hibernate
 try a reboot
[01:16] <genii> tuna Even though ubuntu is of Debian heritage it is not normally good to mix repositories
[01:16] <tuna> genii: it was a delayed reaction to the oh-so useful "Damn You" command ;)
[01:17] <tuna> genii, thanks for helping me
[01:17] <genii> tuna No problem and have fun :)
[01:18] <premier_> okay, hibernate seems to work now
[01:18] <Mightily-Oats> yay
[01:18] <genii> premier_ It's getting there :)
 and more importantly opengl will work now (games :)
[01:19] <blekos> i have downloaded a theme for kde, i double click on the file with kth extension, and is supposed tobe installed
[01:19] <blekos> where do i find that theme"?
[01:19] <blekos> it's not on menu->settins->style...
[01:19] <genii> I suspect the usb tvcards and the usb wifi cards all have issues relating to having to use the usb subsystem
 have you tried going into kcontrol?
[01:20] <premier_> um, I still have two power managers.  One I shut down last time, but I must restart everytime I reboot.  How do I fix that?
[01:20] <Mightily-Oats> powermanagerd.. u mean the icon ones in the taskbar?
[01:21] <premier_> yeah
[01:21] <Mightily-Oats> both display the same info?
[01:21] <blekos> yes, kcontrol->system settings ->
[01:21] <premier_> pretty much, but one is a better program as far as I can tell
[01:21] <blekos> appearance
[01:21] <premier_> they're different programs
[01:22] <genii> premier_ If it's a kde specific one to remove you could take it out of Autostart dir ... I think some path like ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:22] <Mightily-Oats> ahh.. ok.. umm.. in your .kde folder there is an autostart directory.. theyre probably auto starting
[01:22] <genii> Someone will know exactly I hope
[01:22] <Mightily-Oats> what <genii> said
 yep.. appearance
[01:23] <premier_> theres nothing in ~/.kde/Autostart except a file call ".directory"
[01:24] <genii> Hmm
[01:25] <Mightily-Oats> right click on one of them )the one you dont want) and click quit... there should be an option to quit and never start again
[01:25] <genii> <-- no X on this particular box to check those things
[01:25] <premier_> yeah I dont find a "quit and never start again
[01:26] <Mightily-Oats> i think its quit and do not auto start (sry.. i havent used kde in a while... using e17 atm :)
[01:28] <premier_> no, nothing
[01:28] <premier_> what is e17 atm?  never heard of it
[01:28] <genii> heh just e17
[01:28] <premier_> and what about this Beryl?  I hear its 3D or something
[01:28] <Mightily-Oats> the next version of enlightenment..
[01:28] <n8k99> !enlightenment
[01:28] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[01:28] <premier_> at the momemnt...
[01:29] <genii> Mightily-Oats Using it with an ubuntu core? Just surious
[01:29] <genii> curious rather
[01:29] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. umm.. im not sure where the app would be running from.. but i guess.. if you dont want it you could always un-install it
 using it with kubuntu.. i like konqueror :)
[01:30] <premier_> whats its name?
[01:30] <genii> premier_ I imagine if you hover the cursor on the icon it should say the app name
[01:30] <Mightily-Oats> the power app? should say if you hold the mouse over it
[01:31] <premier_> how do I get apt-get to list all my installed packages?
[01:31] <premier_> Its just called "Power Manager"
[01:31] <premier_> nothing else
[01:31] <Mightily-Oats> so its the default kde one then?
[01:32] <Mightily-Oats> and samba with active directory.. i havent found an easier distro to get it to intergrate with :)
 ^
[01:32] <genii> :)
[01:33] <felipe__> Hello, how can I run konkeror as root?
[01:33] <Mightily-Oats> kdesu konqueror
[01:33] <premier_> hmm.. kde-power-manager?
[01:33] <genii> I would like to see an official Ebuntu dist
[01:33] <Mightily-Oats> that sounds like it
[01:34] <genii> premier_ Likely. There may be some way to set it in System Settings
 apparently thats in the works... i saw something about that the otehr day
[01:34] <genii> Mightily-Oats Cool Cool :)
[01:35] <Mightily-Oats> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[01:35] <premier_> Mightily-Oats, genii: is there anyway to search all my istalled packages?
[01:35] <Mightily-Oats> https://launchpad.net/ebuntu
 i only know using synaptic
[01:36] <genii> I think possibly   apt-get check
[01:38] <genii> premier_  apt-cache --installed
[01:41] <genii> premier_ sorry,    apt-cache pkgnames --installed
[01:41] <premier_> hey, I just unplugged my power cord and its not detecting it
[01:41] <premier_> okay, i think I uninstalled it
[01:42] <phobiac> Okay, I'm having two problems. The first is this. Whenever I start something in the command line, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/595/ or something every simmilar. Everything seems to be working fine, but I wanted to double check that this wasn't a problem.
[01:42] <genii> premier_ What, the apm icon/manager didn't do anything?
[01:42] <premier_> yeah, Its not detecting that I unplugged my power cord
[01:42] <phobiac> I got that starting up firefox, firefox started up fine but yeah.
[01:42] <premier_> yeah
[01:43] <genii> premier_ If you hover on it does it show battery level or anything diff than before?
[01:43] <blekos> is it possible for Konversation to be transparent?
 i get the same error starting apps from the terminal.. havent noticed any probs though
[01:43] <premier_> I think before it said "fully charged" and now It says "98% charge"
 sounds like its working then
[01:44] <Alumin> aplaymidi seems to be unable to play midi files (although it doesn't print an error message)  don't suppose anybody has any suggestions?
[01:44] <genii> premier_ So it's working just no graphical indication
[01:44] <premier_> the program is called kpowersave
[01:44] <premier_> hmm...
[01:44] <Mightily-Oats> you could always install gkrellm and see what its doing
[01:44] <Alumin> XMMS won't add them to the playlist, and Amarok won't even show them in its file browser
[01:44] <premier_> gkrellm?
[01:45] <genii> premier_ That was for phobiac (gkrellm)
[01:45] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: midi support takes quite a bit of work to get going
[01:45] <Mightily-Oats> montioring prog.. monitors all kinds of things, cpu, ram, disk drives, your cat (im sure theres a plugin somewhere)
[01:45] <genii> Or perhaps not LOL
[01:45] <phobiac> genii: It says "command not found"
[01:45] <Mightily-Oats> lol, umm.. gkrellm was for both... :) its a nice prog :)
[01:46] <Sgeo> What are min mem requirements for Kubuntu 6.10?
[01:46] <premier_> Mightily-Oats: would I monitor you cat with somesort of cps (cat positioning system) ?
[01:46] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: would a possible cause of that symptom be not having any patches installed?
[01:46] <phobiac> Hmm, that's interesting.
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> evening all
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> yo genni
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> genii*
[01:46] <freeride> help
[01:46] <Hassan2a_> genii the geek lol
[01:46] <genii> sgeo To install of a livecd a p2 400 with 192Mb ram and 4 Gb hd
[01:46] <freeride> help me
[01:47] <freeride> can anyone help me?
[01:47] <Sgeo> ty
[01:47] <freeride> I want to install yahoo messenger
 lol that would be cool..
[01:47] <freeride> the legit yahoo version
[01:47] <Hassan2a_> freeride:  franais ?
[01:47] <genii> freeride Use Gaim
[01:47] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: No, it's just that MIDI's not setup by default in a (K)Ubuntu install
[01:47] <freeride> not kopete
[01:47] <phobiac> freeride: I've tried, doesn't work out.
[01:47] <freeride> no, none of that stuff
[01:47] <freeride> dang
[01:47] <freeride> did you use the tar.gz file?
[01:47] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: ok...I modprobed the ALSA seq module and I already have aplaymidi (just installed pmidi and playmidi to test)
[01:48] <phobiac> Of course I didn't get really into it and try to figure how to get it to work.
[01:48] <Alumin> anything else I should try
[01:48] <NeoChaosX> i see
[01:48] <freeride> try that
[01:48] <freeride> alumni
[01:48] <Alumin> (...while the "freepats" package is downloading)
[01:48] <phobiac> freeride: I was assuming you meant using the windows version under wine, I've never tried the tar
[01:48] <freeride> if you're looking for something
[01:48] <NeoChaosX> Did you try the steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[01:48] <freeride> no, not the windows version
[01:48] <Alumin> no, thanks for the link
[01:48] <freeride> there is a linux version
[01:48] <GrahamA> Quick question: What software can I use to manage my webcam?
[01:49] <freeride> any install the actuall yahoo linux version of messneger?
[01:49] <phobiac> freeride: I never tried the linu version because it's stripped down. The only reason to bother with it is if you like how it looks better.
[01:49] <genii> I use Gaim as a sort of universal IM manager, works great for Yahoo as well as the other usual suspects (ICQ MSN, IRC and so on)
[01:49] <Mightily-Oats> freeride: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81895
[01:49] <freeride> kopete works pretty well
[01:49] <freeride> I think it even has webcam
[01:49] <snowrichard> hi
[01:49] <freeride> but I want the actual yahoo version
[01:50] <phobiac> freeride: Google is your friend http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[01:50] <freeride> dang, thanks mighty-oats!
[01:50] <NeoChaosX> XMMS needs a plugin to play MIDI and Amarok doesn't support it, period.
[01:50] <freeride> mightily-oats just sent me some info
[01:50] <Mightily-Oats> np..
[01:51] <phobiac> Okay now, second problem. I can't get the java plugin to work in firefox. The command says this whenever I visit a site that has java: VM did not start up properly
[01:51] <phobiac> Could not start JavaVM!
[01:51] <Mightily-Oats> have you installed java?
[01:51] <phobiac> Yes
[01:52] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. did you put the plugin into the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory?
[01:52] <genii> phobiac at command prompt what does command   java -version    show
[01:52] <phobiac> Although I'm not sure if it's working. Asking it for it's version works fine.
[01:52] <phobiac> Oats: Yes
[01:52] <genii> hmm
[01:52] <freeride> hey, mightily-oats, it couldnt find the needed package
[01:52] <freeride> sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.6
[01:52] <phobiac> java version "1.5.0_08"
[01:52] <phobiac> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_08-b03)
[01:52] <phobiac> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_08-b03, mixed mode, sharing)
 ill look..
[01:53] <freeride> thanks
[01:53] <Mightily-Oats> freeride: edgy or dapper?
[01:53] <freeride> dapper :-)
[01:54] <genii> perhaps the file javavm is not set with x bit
[01:55] <phobiac> genii: I have no idea what x bit is.
[01:55] <RealisticDragon> for some reason im getting a better frame rate in WoW with Dapper/KDE than I used to with Gentoo/Fluxbox :)
[01:55] <phobiac> Could you please explain?
[01:55] <RealisticDragon> same hardware
 try libssl0.9.8
[01:56] <freeride> k
[01:56] <genii> phobiac Do you know where the file is exactly? A ls -l <filename>  will show the attributes. eg: rwx  read write eXecute
[01:57] <phobiac> genii: Should I do it on the plugin?
[01:57] <genii> phobiac Yes that is the likely suspect
[01:57] <phobiac> libjavaplugin.so or libjavaplguin_oji.so?
 nice :)
[01:58] <genii> phobiac hmm try libjavaplugin.so
[01:58] <freeride> k, mightily-oats, that worked but now it wont run the very last step
[01:58] <genii> are you sure this is the file that got installed?
[01:59] <freeride> #/usr/bin/ymessenger
[01:59] <phobiac> You want the file permissions?
[01:59] <phobiac> lrwxrwxrwx
[01:59] <paranoid_android> hello, my usplash ... how to explain... it just moved over to the right and down a bit instead of being in the centre of the screen. oddly started doing this when i upgraded to Edgy. any ideas on this? cheers :)
[01:59] <phobiac> Both of them were installed.
[01:59] <freeride> it says no such file
[01:59] <genii> phobiac OK so it is not an executable bit issue
[01:59] <superb0wl> is there a program out there like gnucash that i dont have to install a bunch of gnome crap to use?
[01:59] <phobiac> What's the numbers I would use in a chmod to fix that?
[02:00] <phobiac> Err, what are*
[02:00] <freeride> you still there?
[02:00] <phobiac> 755 right?
[02:00] <genii> phobiac if it *was* an issue to fix the x bit, you would do   sudo chmod +x <filename>
 yep... hang on a sec.. ill try installing it
[02:00] <freeride> thanks man
[02:01] <phobiac> genii: I'll try that
[02:01] <Mightily-Oats> just curious.. what happens when you type ymessenger?
[02:01] <genii> phobiac It is already set to executable, also itis a symbolic link
[02:01] <freeride> can not be found
[02:01] <phobiac> Oh okay
[02:02] <phobiac> Well the other plugins permissions are -rwxr-xr--
[02:02] <genii> phobiac when   ls -l   command, it has an arrow after saying another filename?
[02:02] <phobiac> Yes, should I try checking that other file?
[02:02] <genii> yers
[02:02] <genii> yes, even
[02:02] <freeride> did you get that M-O?
 ok.. i just got a bunch of errors about missing packages when i tried to install it..
[02:03] <phobiac> lrwxrwxrwx
[02:03] <freeride> dang, hmm
[02:03] <phobiac> This is odd, it links to another file. I'll try that.
[02:03] <genii> phobiac l=link   d=directory
[02:03] <freeride> oh yea, it says it needs 9.6
[02:03] <freeride> I got that too, I didnt even notice
[02:04] <freeride> dang
[02:04] <phobiac> genii: So what should I do?
[02:04] <freeride> any way around that?
[02:05] <Mightily-Oats> for the libssl one its just downloading an older version form the looks of things.. prob is.. the xlib one.. the packahe doesnt exist
[02:05] <genii> phobiac the lrwx  and so on are just permissions/attributes. If it is l first, then the true permissions are with the file that link points to
[02:05] <genii> if you have a symlink that points to some other symlink that looks weird
[02:05] <freeride> ahh, so it's a no go then?
 any particular reason for yahoo msgr
[02:05] <BTR_> Hi, i have 2 mice, on touchpad and a usb, is there anyway i can turn of the touchpad when the usb mice is present?
[02:06] <freeride> I just like it and wanted to try the actual linux version rather rthan using kopeat
 not without alot of work i think
[02:06] <phobiac> genii: Any ideas on what I should do?
[02:06] <freeride> hmm, ok, well thanks for your help, at least you tried, thanks man
[02:07] <Mightily-Oats> np.. others here suggested gaim and a few others
[02:07] <genii> phobiac Usually with the java issues it is that whatever got d/l and installed (if not from apt-get) is executable bit and file permissions
[02:07] <genii> eg: who owns the file
[02:07] <freeride> ok, thanks
[02:08] <genii> phobiac Unfortunately I have to go away from the computer right now so can't keep working on this
[02:09] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: thanks for the link, midi is sort of working now
[02:09] <phobiac> genii it seems that everything is exectable, but let me check if I own the file and not root.
[02:09] <phobiac> Okay, thank you for your help.
[02:09] <Alumin> I can't seem to play midi files with anything other than timidity
[02:09] <genii> phobiac Good luck with it
[02:09] <genii> OK all I'll return in maybe 1/2 hr
[02:09] <Alumin> and some of the instruments are missing, but for that I just need a better patch set
[02:09] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: that's good
[02:10] <NeoChaosX> try install KMid
[02:10] <Alumin> yeah, I tried that
[02:10] <NeoChaosX> it's the only KDE midi player I know of
[02:10] <Alumin> it looks like it's playing the files, I can even see the little keys moving on the little graphical pianos
[02:10] <Alumin> but no sound
[02:10] <ryantmer> Is there any way I can edit sources.list? It appears to be read-only or something...
 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7147&page=2
[02:10] <Mightily-Oats> third post from the bottom might help
[02:11] <Mightily-Oats> uninstall the yahoo msngr you have just installed and then follow the post.. see if it works
[02:11] <phobiac> ryant: Use sudo before the command
[02:11] <makuseru> does anyone know if you can use a PSP in linux?
[02:12] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: go to Settings -> MIDI Setup
[02:12] <phobiac> ryant: If you have kate, do sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:12] <makuseru> does anyone know if you can use a PSP in kubuntu?
[02:13] <phobiac> makuseru: PSP? The handheld gaming system?
[02:13] <phobiac> Oh, Paint Shop Pro?
[02:13] <makuseru> sorry
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i finally have a problem.  no screensaver.  regardless of what screensaver i choose, i inevitably get a black screen with a white x11 logo
[02:13] <makuseru> yes, Sony PSP
 http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/linux/2005/09/28/can-i-connnect-my-sony-psp-to-my-linux-system/
[02:14] <Mightily-Oats> other than that i dont know anything about the psp
[02:14] <Alumin> NeoChaosX: I tried all the available midi ports
[02:14] <phobiac> I guess go with what Mightly-Oats said
[02:14] <Alumin> one "standard-looking" one and three timidity ones
[02:15] <phobiac> What can I use to tell what group a user is in?
[02:16] <Alumin> phobiac: id
[02:16] <luis_> alguien sabe como add un usuario
[02:16] <luis_> de windows
[02:16] <phobiac> Thank you
[02:17] <Mightily-Oats> does anyone know what im missing out on by booting my system with the noapic and nolapic options?
[02:17] <NeoChaosX> Alumin: weird
[02:17] <Alumin> I concur
[02:17] <Mightily-Oats> performance/speed/laptop wise?
[02:17] <Alumin> it must be a configuration issue though, since timidity can (mostly) play the files
[02:18] <ryantmer> What do I want to do with sources.list when I have it opened? remove the # in front of deb http or something?
[02:18] <Mightily-Oats> save the list
[02:18] <NamShub> # means the line is commente (ignored)
[02:19] <phobiac> ryant: There's comments in it. Everything with a # in front of it is commented out. ONLY comment out what you'll think you'll need repository wise.
[02:19] <Jucato> commented/disaled/ignored...
[02:19] <Alumin> you mean only _uncomment_ what you need :)
[02:19] <jontec> hey, I need help I just used: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193350. I got to the last step, however ifconfig still does not let me put eth1 (my wireless card) up.
[02:19] <freeride> uninstall the one I installed? I didnt actually install one did I? or did I?
[02:19] <phobiac> Oh oops, yes, comment out.
[02:19] <ryantmer> It already is uncommented O_o
[02:19] <Jucato> only the ones with "deb" or "deb-src" are worth enabling removing the #), but no need to enable them all
[02:19] <freeride> mightily-oats
[02:19] <ryantmer> Except for the lines of text
[02:19] <phobiac> uncomment* Damn said it twice
 it installs it.. even with the dependancy probs
[02:20] <jontec> I should note that that is a dell used in the help, and I have a gateway, I used my drivers for it though
[02:20] <Mightily-Oats> it will sit there as a broken app
[02:20] <freeride> how do I uninstall?
 sudo apt-get install synaptic then sudo synaptic
[02:21] <phobiac> jontec: What model gateway do you have?
[02:21] <Mightily-Oats> synaptic will automagically detect the broken package ask you to remove it
[02:21] <jontec> phobiac: MX6446, I have the card that they talked about, though
[02:21] <freeride> that will UN-install?
 yeah... installing apps to uninstall apps... but its the easiest way.. and synaptics a nice package managment app
[02:22] <phobiac> Hmm, alright. I was wondering if yours was by any chance the same as mine. Wlanassistant worked for me.
[02:24] <Mightily-Oats> im all of a sudden thirsty now.. and craving large doses of caffine
[02:25] <genii> Mightily-Oats Heh! <hugs his coffee tight!>
[02:25] <genii> I live on the stuff
[02:25] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. yeah.. i understand.. although... only thing i want more than coffee is the ability to have caffine on a drip
[02:27] <Mightily-Oats> brb
[02:28] <genii> If anyone here in Toronto and wants some old Sun MicroSystems boxes let me know. Otherwise we are tossing them soon
[02:29] <genii> 3 Sparc5 1 Sparc2 1 Sparc10 and 1 SparcIPX
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> oh hell
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd almost pay to have them shipped.
[02:30] <genii> Daisuke_Ido They are full up on ram, have keyboards mice and some extremely hefty external SCSI things
[02:31] <genii> tape drives and hd
[02:32] <genii> Daisuke_Ido I forget what ver of SunOS but maybe 3 or 4
[02:33] <Minataku> genii: !!!
[02:33] <Minataku> Free Sun HW?
[02:33] <Minataku> Can you ship? :o
[02:33] <genii> Yes
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't even know what the shipping cost of something like that would be.
[02:33] <jontec> so how can I assign a device to eth1? I have it in modprobe... I just need to register it?
[02:33] <genii> They are pretty heavy, I think it would be a bit pricy
[02:34] <Minataku> True
[02:34] <Minataku> I just got an SS10 from Ohio, it was $18.49 to get it here
[02:35] <genii> If you guys want to check up on ship costs I'm in postal code M5G 1M6 in Toronto
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: i think we have a taker
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> got a general weight idea?
[02:35] <genii> I have no scale here but I could pick one up and guesstimate :)
[02:35] <Minataku> An SS10 is about 25lbs
[02:35] <Minataku> XD
[02:35] <ironfroggy> anyone here using OOo and print with with?
[02:36] <genii> That sounds about right
[02:36] <Minataku> What did you have again?
[02:37] <ironfroggy> i cant, for the life of me, figure out how to tell OOo where my cups server is
[02:37] <Mightily-Oats> ahh.. coffee
[02:37] <ironfroggy> anyone have an idea?
[02:37] <genii> Minataku 3 SS5 1 SS10 1 SS2 1 SSIPX
[02:37] <Minataku> Ooooh, so tempting
[02:38] <Minataku> What kind of SS5s?
[02:38] <freeride> mightily-oats: sudo: synaptic: command not found
[02:38] <genii> Minataku Plus keybaords and mice for each, also 1 monitor. Also 6 externam SCSI cases
[02:38] <genii> Minataku The pizza-box type
[02:38] <Minataku> I know that
[02:38] <Mightily-Oats> did you do sudo apt-get install synaptic?
[02:38] <Minataku> I meant what CPU
[02:38] <freeride> yes, that part worked
[02:38] <genii> Minataku I'd have to open one up and look at it
[02:38] <Minataku> I have a SPARCstation 5/170
[02:39] <freeride> wait
[02:39] <Minataku> The TurboSPARC model
[02:39] <freeride> no it didnt
[02:39] <freeride> Reading package lists... Done
[02:39] <freeride> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:39] <freeride> E: Couldn't find package then
[02:39] <genii> Minataku If you wait a few minutes I'll crack one open
[02:39] <Mightily-Oats> ok. try sudo adept
[02:39] <Minataku> Sure, if it's not too much trouble
[02:39] <Minataku> ^^
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> it's going to be expensive :\
[02:40] <jontec> hey, I need help I just used: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193350. I got to the last step, however ifconfig still does not let me put eth1 (my wireless card) up
 sry.. should be sudo adept_manager
[02:40] <freeride> wow, it did a bunch of stuff and then it opened adept
[02:40] <freeride> what do I do? I did sudo adept
[02:40] <freeride> iot'
[02:41] <freeride> it's still going
[02:41] <genii> Minataku The model # help before I open it? 544
[02:41] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. then search for ymessenger
[02:41] <Mightily-Oats> and uninstall it
[02:41] <freeride> how do I search for it?
[02:41] <Minataku> Hm... One the side by the drives
[02:41] <Mightily-Oats> there should be a search box up the top
[02:41] <Minataku> There should be a thing that says "SvCd:"
[02:42] <Minataku> What does that say?
[02:42] <freeride> ohh, in adept you mean
[02:42] <Mightily-Oats> yeah
[02:42] <genii> Minataku S5-70
[02:42] <Minataku> Ah, it's got a 70MHz MicroSPARC
[02:42] <Mightily-Oats> adept is sorta like synaptic...
[02:43] <Minataku> I forgot that was on there until I thought of it when you mentioned the model number XD
[02:43] <Mightily-Oats> so once you have found it right click on the package and click on request removal
[02:43] <Jucato> Dapper: kdesu adept or Edgy: kdesu adept_manager
[02:44] <genii> Minataku Inside.. chip sticker says microSPARC II .. sticker says 70A  All 8 ram slots full 2 HD
[02:44] <Minataku> Oooooooh
[02:44] <Minataku> This is way too good to pass up
 sry.. i didnt know there was a difference between the dapper and edgy one
[02:45] <Minataku> I was gonna buy some HyperSPARC modules but I'll take these instead :D
[02:45] <Mightily-Oats> thnx
[02:45] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: yeah... I didn't know that in the beginning either...
[02:45] <genii> Minataku What, you just want the ram?
[02:45] <freeride> I drink 48 ounces of coffee a day
[02:45] <freeride> lmao
[02:45] <Minataku> No, no, I'd like all of the stuff... lets mode to PM though
[02:45] <genii> Is 2 litres more than 48 ounces?
[02:45] <Lam_> i need a program that can spectrally analyze audio files. any suggestions?
[02:45] <freeride> I dont know
[02:45] <Minataku> So we don't clog up people needing help XD
[02:46] <genii> Minataku I am on a command-line client. Let me boot a gui machine up
[02:46] <Minataku> Okay
[02:46] <heapme> if i put /home/heapme/ on a separate partition when i mount it in linux will i have to mount it like /home/heapme/hepmemnt ? (ie i'll have TWO home directories in a sense)?
[02:46] <freeride> mightily-oats: can I just install ymessenger using adept?
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> no, /home is the mountpoint
[02:46] <Jucato> heapme: nope
[02:47] <blekos> how can i have a program (gdesklets) run when i log on?
[02:47] <Mightily-Oats> unfortunatly no.. i tried that earlier.. hoping for the easy solution
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> (at least, i THINK i understand that right)
[02:47] <freeride> haha, ok
[02:47] <Minataku> heapme: If your home is on a different partition, it depends where your home dir starts on that partition
[02:47] <Daisuke_Ido> why not just use one of the all-in-one clients?
[02:47] <Minataku> If all your stuff is in the root of that partition
[02:47] <Minataku> Then you'll want to have it mount to /home/username
[02:48] <heapme> Minataku i'm confused
 so is it uninstalled?
[02:48] <ryantmer> Changed the sources.list file... But now when I run the thunderbird command from a shell, it says "(thunderbird-bin:5570): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[02:48] <heapme> i have to have a home directory when i load linux right but if it's on a separate partition and not yet mounted how will it work?
[02:48] <Jucato> heapme: mount it in fstab as /home, not as /home/heapme
 ok.. im now going to try what it says on te forum.. ill let you know how it goes :)
[02:48] <freeride> sweet
[02:49] <freeride> I'm reading it now
[02:49] <Minataku> Yeah, I might not help that much, sorry, listen to Jucato instead
[02:49] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:49] <heapme> Jucato know a howto on this i'm still kinda confused about it
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still fighting to get my 360 controller working...
[02:49] <Jucato> heapme: for example, this is my fstab entry for my /home: UUID=9a1a47e7-42cc-4a8c-9757-fd7316d8af85 /home ext3 nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2
[02:49] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: What's up with it?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't want to work
[02:49] <Minataku> Did you sync both?
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a 3rd party controller not explicitly defined in xpad.c
[02:50] <Minataku> Oh
[02:50] <Minataku> I thought you meant with a 360
[02:50] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> oh no
[02:50] <Jucato> heapme: um.. howto? not really, I created and mounted that during installation...
[02:50] <heapme> will it be obvious how to mount it during installation?
[02:50] <Daisuke_Ido> heapme: you'll choose what partition you want as /home, yes
[02:51] <heapme> if i have 4 partitions and one ata harddrive with Windows on the first partition (hda) will linux be hda1, swap hda2 and /home hda3?
[02:53] <MrKimm> Hey all, this may seem like a stupid question, but I'm a KDE newbie... where do I change screen resolution?? I set it to KDE behaviour when I configured... if that makes any difference
[02:53] <Jucato> heapme: Windows will be hda1, linux will be hda2, etc.
 ok.. worked..
[02:53] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: If you're not afraid of code you could add it to xpad.c, though I'd think it would default to         { 0x0000, 0x0000, "Generic X-Box pad", MAP_DPAD_UNKNOWN }
[02:53] <heapme> mrkimm kemu->system settings->display
[02:53] <Minataku> Of course that might be WHY it's not working
[02:53] <freeride> ok, sweet
[02:53] <freeride> can you walk me through it?
[02:53] <heapme> *K Menu not kemu
[02:53] <Jucato> heapme: the first hard drive is hda. the first partition of that first hard drive is hda1
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i added it/
[02:53] <Mightily-Oats> sure... ok..
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> still nothing
 sudo apt-get install alien
[02:54] <freeride> I wish we could pm but I havent registered
[02:54] <MrKimm> heapme, I dont have a "display" menu :S
[02:54] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: That's strange
[02:54] <heapme> Jucato ok so ntfs=hda1, linux=hda2, swap=hda3, /home=hda4, cdrom=hda5?
[02:54] <MrKimm> I'm just running kdecore btw
[02:54] <Jucato> heapme: cdrom would be hdc or hdd, depending on where it is connected
[02:54] <ryantmer> "
[02:54] <ryantmer> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[02:54] <ryantmer> Xlib: No protocol specified
 once alien is installed then sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:54] <heapme> oh yeah
[02:55] <ryantmer> What does the above mean?
[02:55] <heapme> but the reest looks right? /home would be hda5?
[02:55] <Jucato> heapme: are you familiar with hard drive masters and slaves and IDE cables
[02:55] <freeride> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:55] <freeride> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:55] <heapme> yeah, i just read about them, lil new too it though
[02:55] <Mightily-Oats> do u still have adept open?
[02:55] <Jucato> heapme: no. /home would be /hda4
[02:55] <freeride> oh, yes, duh
[02:55] <heapme> i've just never partitioned anythin besides / and swap. never did a /home
[02:55] <heapme> woops meant hda4
[02:55] <heapme> ok cool thanks
[02:55] <Mightily-Oats> u can use that instead of command if u want
[02:56] <Mightily-Oats> for the first part any
[02:56] <Mightily-Oats> way
[02:56] <heapme> though i'm starting to think i dont want /home on its own partition because i dont know how big i want to to be :/
[02:56] <freeride> I'm already doing in in the console
[02:56] <heapme> but i do want it on its own partition so i can reinstall linux without having to worry about restoring the files on it
[02:57] <Jucato> heapme: it's not really that hard. in the partition, leave hda1 alone. setup hda2 to be mounted as /, setup hda3 as a swap partition, and set hda4 to mount to /home
 ok.. so installed alien?
[02:57] <freeride> it's installing
[02:57] <Jucato> "in the partitioner"
[02:57] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. after that sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:57] <freeride> k, it's doing that now
[02:57] <Jucato> heapme: usually, you decide how large you want the / and swap partitions to be, and then dump the rest into /home :)
[02:57] <blekos> how can i have a program (gdesklets) run when i log on?
[02:58] <freeride> what are alien and libgdk-pixbuf2?
[02:58] <Jucato> gdesklets?
[02:58] <heapme> Jucato true, thanks that clears it up for  me :)
[02:58] <blekos> yes pls
[02:58] <blekos> in gnome u chose session and add the relevant program
[02:58] <Jucato> blekos: not really sure using gdesklets on KDE would be the best thing to do...
[02:58] <blekos> how u do it in kde
[02:58] <freeride> mightily-0ats?
[02:58] <Mightily-Oats> alien is a package that converts rpms (one sort of package type used with redhat, mandriva etc) into deb packages (used with ubuntu, debian etc)
[02:58] <blekos> i'm running them already
[02:58] <blekos> np
[02:59] <RealisticDragon> superkaramba might be a better option :)
[02:59] <freeride> oh, sweet
[02:59] <freeride> thats very cool
[02:59] <blekos> superkaramba is not supported anymore :(
[02:59] <freeride> ok, I installled libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:59] <freeride> now waht?
[02:59] <Mightily-Oats> the other one is a graphics library for the program
[02:59] <Jucato> blekos: what do you mean it's not supported?
[02:59] <freeride> ok, whats next
[02:59] <blekos> anyhow, i also want to run firefox on startup
[02:59] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. after that got to http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php and grab the redhat9 version
[03:00] <freeride> k, got it
[03:00] <Jucato> blekos: in Kubuntu/KDE, by default, if you leave something open when you logout, they will be started when you login
[03:00] <freeride> now waht
[03:00] <Jucato> blekos: superkaramba is still very much supported and there are hundreds of superkaramba themes available
[03:00] <Jucato> and I could say that there are more superkaramba themes than gdesklet themes...
[03:01] <Rob-West> night all
[03:01] <freeride> still there?
[03:01] <blekos> "We have no ability to maintain superkaramba.com until Adam's return. "
[03:01] <heapme> Jucato one last question bout that. does /home have to be ext3? say my / partition is ext3. can /home/ be fat32 or reiserfs and still be mountable from linux?
[03:01] <Mightily-Oats> sudo alien -c rh9.ymessenger-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm
[03:01] <blekos> this is from the superkaramba site
[03:01] <Jucato> heapme: must be a Linux filesystem (ext3, xfs, reiser). no fat32
[03:01] <freeride> where do I put the rh9 file so it can find it?
[03:01] <Jucato> blekos: yes, but that doesn't mean it's not supported. we have superkaramba in our repos
[03:01] <blekos> that's true
[03:01] <Mightily-Oats> in your home directory
[03:01] <Jucato> blekos: it's just that no new code is being put into it.
[03:02] <blekos> i c
[03:02] <blekos> i can give it a try
[03:02] <Jucato> blekos: also, Superkaramba might be included by default, in some form or code, in KDE 4
[03:02] <blekos> but gdesklets run fine
[03:02] <Jucato> blekos: anyway, for your original question, KDE Session Management
[03:02] <freeride> so now that I have alien I can install redhat stuff?
[03:03] <Jucato> !alien
[03:03] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:03] <freeride> ymessenger_1.0.4-2_i386.deb generated
[03:03] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. so now that you have alien.. you can convert the package and then install it
[03:03] <Jucato> argh...
[03:03] <freeride> sweet, ymessenger_1.0.4-2_i386.deb generated
[03:03] <Minataku> Ah
[03:03] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: I think I know why
[03:03] <blekos> on session manager i just have the option of restore previous session
[03:03] <Mightily-Oats> sudo dpkg -i ymessenger-1.0.4-i386.deb
[03:03] <Minataku> It's an XBox360 pad, not an XBox1 pad
[03:04] <blekos> i dont want to rely on my of leaving an application running in order to have it again next time
[03:04] <Jucato> blekos: yes. that means that it will restore whatever app was running when you logut
[03:04] <Minataku> The HW is different, I think so the old driver probably lacks support for the new HW
[03:04] <Mightily-Oats> opps.. thats wrong.. sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[03:04] <Minataku> I noticed nothing on the list is a 360 controller
[03:04] <blekos> i'm looking 4 smg more "permanent"
[03:04] <freeride> ok, done! now what :-D
[03:04] <freeride> I'm getting happ
[03:04] <Jucato> blekos: ok. then another option would be to turn that session management off (start form blank session), and link to the themes or apps you want to autostart in ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:04] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. type ymessenger
[03:04] <freeride> *happy
[03:05] <blekos> i c
[03:05] <Jucato> blekos: alternatively, you can install the kcontrol-autostart package, which gives you a GUI interface to put apps you want to autostart (but I think you'd have to use KControl instead of System Settings)
[03:06] <freeride> man! you should write out those steps and post it on kubuntu faq! that was awesome!
[03:06] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. im not that good.. but thnaks
[03:06] <freeride> oh you're good, dont deny it
[03:06] <xenophile7x7> hey guys, im really new to linux. i just installed kubuntu yesterday, so ive got a bunch of questions. first off, the main difference between distrobutions seems to simply be drivers, support, and software package. is this correct? and can you install multiple gui's on one distro, and just select the one you want to use? i want to try a few of them out.
[03:06] <heapme> Jucato do you think i should make /home partition ext3 or reiserfs?
[03:06] <Mightily-Oats> lol. so its all working now :)
[03:06] <freeride> yes! thats freaking awesome! thanks man!
[03:07] <Jucato> freeride: actually... https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/manual-install.html
[03:07] <blekos> Kcontrol is more full than system settins
[03:07] <heapme> Jucato also how do i mount /home in the installer, will it simply ask or do i have to edit fstab in the installer?
[03:07] <blekos> i have to run it through shell though
[03:07] <Mightily-Oats> no worries.... going to have to try ymessenger myself now
[03:07] <blekos> can i add smg in my kmenu?
[03:07] <Jucato> heapme: it will ask you. and I suggest ext3 because it's the default
[03:07] <freeride> haha, sweet
[03:07] <Jucato> freeride: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RPM/AlienHowto
[03:07] <Sir_Penguin> Hi :)
[03:08] <freeride> thanks jucato
[03:08] <Sir_Penguin> I was just wondering what the difference is between the Kubuntu CD and DVD is?
[03:08] <Jucato> blekos: right-click on the K Menu icon and select Edit Menu
[03:08] <Jucato> freeride: sorry, didn't want to take the limelight from Mightily-Oats so I didn't butt in :)
[03:08] <Jucato> he was doing so well :)
[03:08] <freeride> haha, he did a good job, it was easier to follow his instruction than read all that anyway :-)
[03:10] <Jucato> freeride: just take note that it's usually not recommended to install RPM packages on Debian-based systems like Ubuntu, even converted to DEB
[03:10] <freeride> do they cause problems?
[03:11] <Jucato> they might
[03:11] <Jucato> !rpm
[03:11] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:11] <freeride> !botsnack
[03:11] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:11] <freeride> :-d
[03:12] <Jucato> btw, freeride you were trying to instasll yahoo messenger right?
[03:12] <freeride> !jucatosnack
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucatosnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 ok.. the only prob ive found so far with the app is that only the contact list works.. the other tabs down the bottom of the list cause seg faults
[03:12] <freeride> yeah
[03:12] <Jucato> freeride: were you aware that a .deb package for it is available in http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[03:13] <freeride> I think there is a reason that one doesnt work
[03:13] <freeride> either way, this one is working
[03:13] <Jucato> ah
 missing xlib and other dependancies..
[03:13] <Jucato> hmm...
[03:13] <Jucato> let me try
[03:14] <freeride> yeah, you're right mightily-oats
[03:14] <freeride> it crashed
[03:14] <freeride> twice
[03:14] <jontec> I need to setup the eth1 device... I have just setup my card with ndiswrapper
[03:14] <Mightily-Oats> yeah.. i dont know how to fix those features... but the contact list works
[03:15] <freeride> yeah
[03:15] <freeride> jucato is trying to install the deb version right now
[03:16] <Jucato> heh I'm still downloading it...
[03:16] <Jucato> there's a problem with the internet connections in most of Asia...
[03:16] <freeride> still downloading it? it took me half a second and I have less than a megabit connection
[03:17] <freeride> thats the one that doesnt work though, we tried that one first
[03:17] <Minataku> wb, genii
[03:17] <freeride> 1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[03:17] <genii> Minataku :) Thx
[03:17] <freeride> that one wouldnt work for some reason
[03:18] <freeride> thats why kubuntu.com says to use alien
[03:18] <Minataku> np ^^
[03:18] <Jucato> no harm in trying... although the internet connection is really, really fscked up!
[03:19] <Mightily-Oats> lol, brb.. going to rebuild my system
[03:19] <genii> Jucato  fsck! Goodness watch the language! ROFL
[03:19] <Minataku> lol
[03:19] <Jucato> oh shift!  didn't mean that...
[03:22] <heapme> fsck isnt a synomym for the f-word since it has a different meaning, like analyze/fix yourself
[03:22] <genii> heapme LOL I know I'm just messing around with him
[03:23] <Minataku> genii: Oh, give me the CD-ROM drives out of the SS5s, too
[03:23] <heapme> =p
[03:23] <Minataku> My SS5 has the wrong kind of CD-ROM drive XD
[03:23] <genii> Minataku Let me look what they have
[03:23] <Minataku> Sorry, I just remembered that right now... toss in their FDDs, too ^^
[03:23] <Minataku> genii: Sure
[03:24] <Jucato> freeride: was xlibs the only dependency you could not resolve?
[03:24] <genii> Minataku The SS2 has a floppy, no SS5 has a floppy OR a CD
[03:24] <Minataku> Woah
[03:24] <Minataku> Oh well
[03:24] <genii> :(
[03:25] <Minataku> But remember, the SS2 and IPX you're sending whole
[03:25] <Minataku> XD
[03:25] <genii> Yup
[03:25] <Minataku> My SS5's CD-ROM drive works, it just doesn't fit right
[03:25] <Minataku> It's the slimline version for the earlier S5-170 chassis
[03:25] <Minataku> It works, it just has holes XD
[03:25] <excitatory> so i just did a fresh install of edgy on a second machine.. i'm looking at the sources.list and everything is set to dapper?  why might that be?  (keep in mind this is a fresh install on a new machine)
[03:25] <Minataku> Sorry to make you get back up, I just remembered that all of a sudden XD
[03:26] <genii> Minataku Heh np. I just pulled out the IPX to look at, it's kinda cute. No CD in there either, just floppy
[03:26] <Minataku> Yeah, the IPX is a lunchbox chassis
[03:27] <Minataku> I was thinking about taking one and making an actual lunchbox out of it but it's a PIA to open up
[03:27] <Minataku> XD
[03:27] <genii> Yeah seems to have some weird side hinging deal
[03:28] <Minataku> Actually, it hinges in the front
[03:28] <Minataku> It opens up in the back
[03:28] <genii> Ah yes, I see it now :)
[03:28] <genii> pita is right
[03:28] <Minataku> Then the cables for the HDD and FDD hold the halves together
[03:30] <genii> Minataku Model 47B if that means anything
[03:30] <Minataku> Not really but thanks all the same XD
[03:30] <genii> service code 4/50
[03:30] <Minataku> The IPX was standardized, I believe
[03:30] <genii> Interesting
[03:30] <Minataku> Couldn't change anything in it since the CPU was soldered
[03:31] <Minataku> There's a large ceramic chip inside but that's an FPU, if it's populated
[03:31] <genii> Minataku All 3 huge chips look like in some old sockets
[03:31] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. system rebuilt
[03:31] <Minataku> Ooooh
[03:31] <Minataku> It's an old-style IPX
[03:31] <Minataku> I had an IPX that was newer
[03:31] <Minataku> But it was dead so, bleh >.<
[03:32] <genii> Mightily-Oats Successfully it seems :)
[03:32] <Mightily-Oats> lol yeah
[03:32] <Jucato> wb Mightily-Oats
[03:33] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. only took a minute..
[03:33] <Mightily-Oats> ahh.. image files
[03:33] <mcrandello> Hi I was messing around with my settings, wound up nuking the .kde dir and not firefox won't render onscreen. Any suggestions?
[03:33] <mcrandello> s/not/now
[03:34] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: was xlib the only dependency you couldn't resolve earlier
[03:34] <Minataku> Don't forget to close the script, mcrandello ;3
[03:34] <Minataku> XD
[03:34] <mcrandello> it's showing up in the process table using around 142 megs
[03:34] <excitatory>  /j #ubuntu
[03:34] <excitatory> argh
[03:34] <Minataku> Sorry, I realized when I last used sed that you need a / at the end
[03:34] <mcrandello> Minataku: sed was never my stroung point :(
[03:34] <Minataku> mcrandello: Yeah, mine either (it still isn't)
[03:34] <mcrandello> nor spelling for that manner
[03:34] <Minataku> XD
[03:35] <MagicFab> What would be the equivalent of gksudo in KDE ? Is there any ?
[03:35] <mcrandello> or usage or grammar etc ;_;
[03:35] <mcrandello> MagicFab: kdesu
[03:35] <MagicFab> mcrandello, tx
[03:35] <Minataku> Sorry also in that I can't help you with your problem as I don't use KDE >.<
[03:35] <Mightily-Oats> after installing the ymessenger deb i couldnt resolve any (it listed the ymsngr as broken.. so anything after that wouldnt install until it was removed)
[03:36] <Mightily-Oats> i didnt end up playing around with it much... i remember a while back i went through hell trying to find xlib so i could get an e17 filemanager working
[03:36] <mcrandello> I found something in a google search that suggested I turn off having KDE force non KDE apps to use KDE colors but that didn't seem to do it
[03:36] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: dependency problems are mostly resolved by installing the required dependencies :)
[03:36] <Mightily-Oats> yeah... i tried a few of the dependancies
[03:36] <Mightily-Oats> but cause the broken package was already installed it wouldnt install the ones it was missing
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> to install libpixbuf2 i had to remove the broken package
[03:37] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: hm.. simply uninstall ym first, then install the dependencies...
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> yeah.. but there is still the xlib prob..
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> from what i found a while ago
[03:37] <Jucato> yeah. I'm looking into xlib right now
[03:37] <Mightily-Oats> i couldnt solve that one
[03:38] <Jucato> seems like it might have been renamed to libx
[03:38] <Mightily-Oats> ahh
[03:38] <Jucato> not really sure though
[03:38] <Mightily-Oats> my expereince with the missing xlib package mainly came from messing around with another app that needed it.. and i spent ages trying to find it
[03:39] <Jucato> ok I'll try something...
[03:39] <Mightily-Oats> cool...
[03:40] <Mightily-Oats> i got a question.. i havent found an answer yet so it must be a pretty odd one... does anyone know what noapic and nolapic do?
[03:40] <mcrandello> sort of
[03:40] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: is that in menu.lst?
[03:41] <mcrandello> I think noapic disables this thing on your computer called the apic from trying to assign irq's at boot
[03:41] <Mightily-Oats> i know it disables apic and lapic... but what are they and what am i missing out on by not having them enabled?
 : yeah
[03:41] <fowlduck> sup gangstas
[03:41] <mcrandello> well, I have to use noapic because it causes an IRQ conflict when I use the ATI proprietary drivers
[03:41] <mcrandello> and that causes the machine to hard lockup
[03:41] <Mightily-Oats> thing is.. ive booted without disabling those 2 and my cpu seems to run cooler than with them
[03:42] <mcrandello> yeah my laptop is a space heater but at least I can use it :)
[03:42] <mcrandello> now that you mention it
 yeah.. i have seen that before
[03:43] <xenophile7x7> hey guys,  i just got installed kubuntu yesterday, and ive got a few questions. first off, the main difference between linux distrobutions seems to simply be drivers, support, and software package. is this correct? and can you install multiple gui's on one distro, and just select the one you want to use? i want to try a few of them out.
[03:43] <mcrandello> it's the radeon 200m express card and later kernels and the ATI drivers and certain cheap laptops made by acer/toshiba
[03:43] <freeride> hey guys, I just scrolled up and read everything I missed
[03:43] <Mightily-Oats> before i just re-imaged my laptop... it was running at about 44 degrees constant... now its up at 54 after 10 minutes.. and im not doing anything different
[03:43] <freeride> how do I give my name a color?
[03:44] <mcrandello> xenophile7x7: sure you could do something like "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop" to try gnome, replace that with xfce, fvwm95, etc
[03:45] <Mightily-Oats> 54 is after the re-imaging... only diffference is this time i have nolapic and noapic in the boot line
[03:45] <mcrandello> xenophile7x7: then when you go to log in after installing them there should be an option to change the envirnment to whatever you've got
[03:45] <snowrichard> hi ------
[03:45] <Mightily-Oats> going to reboot now and disable them... see what happens
[03:46] <xenophile7x7> mcrandell: thanx! i think thats my next step, along with finding alternatives to some of the builtin software.
[03:46] <mcrandello> Mightily-Oats: from what I gather you don't really need those except as troubleshooting measures or if something's broke
[03:46] <freeride> how do I give my name a color so I dont get lost in all the text of the previous message
 ok.. im realy just wondering what im missing out on feature/performance/and now cooling wise
 it depends on what irc client you use i think
[03:47] <freeride> I'm using konversation
[03:47] <Mightily-Oats> umm... im not sure with that one..
[03:48] <freeride> what do you use?
[03:48] <Mightily-Oats> brb.. rebooting
[03:48] <freeride> k
[03:48] <Mightily-Oats> kvirc
[03:48] <freeride> hmm, I see
[03:48] <mcrandello> freeride: go to settings, configure konversation
[03:48] <Jucato> freeride: in Konversation, Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Highlights option -> Highlight own lines
[03:48] <mcrandello> then drill down into interface, colors
[03:48] <freeride> I wonder why he doesnt just use the one that comes with kubuntu
[03:49] <snowrichard> konversation did
[03:49] <freeride> will that highlight the lines for you to see or for me on my screen only?
[03:49] <mcrandello> freeride: only on your screen
[03:49] <Jucato> only in your screen
[03:49] <mcrandello> oh wow now I'm avacado
[03:49] <freeride> I want you guys to see my name in a color so I stand out, can I do that?
[03:50] <freeride> I see all your names in color
[03:50] <Jucato> freeride: that would terribly be annoying
[03:50] <freeride> mine is the only one thats black
[03:50] <freeride> I see all your names in color
[03:50] <mcrandello> if you use someone's nick in your text it may highlight it depending on the client
[03:50] <Jucato> and we don't color our names. the client colors our names
[03:50] <Jucato> freeride: it's in your settings
[03:50] <freeride> oh, I see, ok
[03:50] <freeride> thats cool then
[03:50] <freeride> so did you ever get it to work jucato?
thank god noone implemented a blink tag</blink>
[03:51] <freeride> the ymessenger
[03:51] <Jucato> freeride: nope.. xlibs is a bit problematic. I'll ask what's the equivalent package for it
[03:51] <freeride> wb mightily -oats
[03:52] <mcrandello> so is there an easy way for me to find out why firefox is running but not rendering on my kde screen?
[03:52] <freeride> jucato: ok
[03:52] <Mightily-Oats> back.... its official... having the noapic and nolapic options causes my machine to run 10 degrees hotter... no idea y
[03:52] <freeride> so you're saying that disabling apic and lapic makes your machine run hotter?
[03:53] <yotux> if one wanted to install fiesty to find bugs is there a place explaining how to do it?
[03:53] <freeride> or the other way around?
[03:53] <Mightily-Oats> yeah... odd... no idea why.. either that.. or apic and lapic interfere with the temp monitoring
[03:53] <freeride> yeah, that could be it but who knows
[03:54] <freeride> might have something to do with the way the irq's are handled?
[03:54] <Mightily-Oats> hmm... possible.... going to go google wacking for a bit
[03:56] <freeride> mcrandello: noapic allows you to use the propritary ati drivers? what card do you have?
[03:57] <mcrandello> freeride: the 200m express
[03:57] <mcrandello> without it you could go anywhere from 5min to a half hour until it hard locks everything
[03:58] <freeride> hmm, I have a radion 7500
[03:58] <pynsa> does anybody know a good gui svn client that supports ssh with non-standard ports?
[03:58] <mcrandello> this only appears to affect cheapy laptop owners
[03:58] <freeride> and I upgraded to edgy and the drivers conflicted
[03:58] <freeride> so I reinstalled dapper
[03:58] <freeride> I really dont know what I'm doing yet
[03:58] <freeride> just start learning
[03:59] <freeride> but I'm using generic ati drivers that came with kubuntu
[03:59] <mcrandello> the easiest thing I've found is to apt-get the build-essential(s?) package then download the ones from ATI
[03:59] <mcrandello> and just run it. It seems to work
[04:00] <mcrandello> oh god removing/reinstalling firefox after deleting all the .dirs and it still won't come up
[04:01] <freeride> I got firefox working the other night, I'm pretty proud
[04:01] <freeride> I dont remember if I had help or not
[04:01] <freeride> I dont remember how I did it even
[04:01] <mcrandello> gtk apps are running okay
[04:02] <freeride> what are gtk aps?
[04:02] <mcrandello> apps made with the gtk toolkit
[04:02] <freeride> hmm, whats that?
[04:02] <mcrandello> toolkits are the things like buttons, handles, and interface components of windowed programs
[04:03] <freeride> I'll have to google that
[04:04] <GrahamA> Question, does anybody see anything wrong with this line I have in /etc/fstab? "//server/Files /media/sf0 smbfs rw,user,noauto,uid=root,giud=root 0 0"
[04:04] <makuseru> does kxdocker work well?
[04:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> !xnest
[04:05] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[04:08] <Valmarko> I installed flasplugin-nonfree but I still cant see flash activated in Konqueror. Someone help me?
[04:09] <GrahamA> Tried any other browser?
[04:09] <Valmarko> No. I just want to use Konqueror. I know it works in firefox but i dont want to install it since I have Konqueror
[04:11] <Valmarko> Maybe it doesnt work with flashplugin-nonfree . Maybe with anohter plugin ?
[04:11] <GrahamA> Have you tried getting any other files from the repository?
[04:12] <xeen7_7> hi
[04:12] <Valmarko> Could you give me a sugestion ?
[04:12] <mcrandello> suggestion: don't take any wooden nickels
[04:13] <Valmarko> ?
[04:13] <mcrandello> Let me look I seem to remember getting it working once
[04:13] <GrahamA> One called flashplayer maybe?
[04:13] <mcrandello> and if I can't get firefox running I may be making a switch
[04:14] <GrahamA> That's not right...
[04:14] <GrahamA> I installed the same package as you and I have flash 9 (w00t) on my konquer
[04:14] <Valmarko> I dont have firefox installed. I dont want, since I have Konqueror. The question is: Is there a way to activate flash in Konqueror ?
[04:14] <GrahamA> Yes there is.
[04:15] <Valmarko> Could you help me, please?
[04:16] <xeen7_7> uf now iam interessted how to get flash on konqueror ?
[04:16] <Valmarko> yes
[04:16] <GrahamA> Go to Settings > Configure Konquer > Plugins on the side and where is says netscape plugins select plugins.
[04:17] <mcrandello> do you have the libflashplayer.so installed somewhere already?
[04:17] <GrahamA> What's displayed?
[04:17] <Valmarko> let me see
[04:17] <freeride> how do you get java on firefox?
[04:17] <GrahamA> Java what?
[04:18] <Valmarko> it displays the following:
[04:18] <xeen7_7> Oh java xD today I installed java 5 it was a long story xD
[04:18] <xeen7_7> it is a long story, sorry for my english
[04:19] <Mightily-Oats> ok... now i have found another issue... my hdd sounds like its parking the heads clicks about every 10 seconds
[04:19] <Valmarko> plugin: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:19] <freeride> idk java what. I just ran into something the other night and it didnt work on firefox but it did work in konkeror
[04:19] <Mightily-Oats> it happens occasionally...
[04:20] <Mightily-Oats> sort of just randomly starts clicking like its parking.. only way to fix is turn off and turn back on again.. any ideas?
[04:20] <mcrandello> make sure /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is listed in the konqueror plugins page under "netscape plugins"
[04:20] <Valmarko> it is
[04:20] <Jucato> java on firefox?
[04:21] <Jucato> !sun-java5-plugin | freeride
[04:21] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[04:22] <GrahamA> Have you checked the box that says Enable plugins globally?
[04:22] <mcrandello> arg
[04:22] <Valmarko> no
[04:23] <Valmarko> where is it
[04:23] <Jucato> have you clicked on Scan for new plugins button?
[04:23] <Valmarko> yes
[04:23] <GrahamA> Above the bit you were just looking at.
[04:24] <malik_> guyz how do install weather report thingy?
[04:24] <mcrandello> not showing up on the other tab titled "plugins"?
[04:25] <Valmarko> maybe some conflict?
[04:25] <GrahamA> What other plugins do you have?
[04:25] <Valmarko> on the other tab ?
[04:26] <Valmarko> lets see
[04:26] <genii> Minataku Still here?
[04:26] <Minataku> Yeah
[04:26] <mcrandello> the tab next to the "scan" tab
[04:26] <genii> Minataku I got all of em pretty much stripped now
[04:26] <malik_> guyz how do install weather report thingy?
[04:26] <Minataku> Except the SS2 and SSIPX, right? XD
[04:26] <genii> Yup
[04:26] <Minataku> Heehee (Sorry XD )
[04:26] <Valmarko> Netscape plugins
[04:27] <Minataku> Awesome :3
[04:27] <Bsdler> frn arsch :>
[04:27] <genii> Minataku You want the SCSI wiring harness etc
[04:27] <genii> ?
[04:27] <Minataku> Sure, toss in the SCSI backplanes from the SS5s
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> anyone had any luck getting a sound blaster live USB rig working
[04:27] <mcrandello> malik_: sudo apt-get install kweather?
[04:27] <genii> Minataku OK :)
[04:27] <Valmarko> theres too information regarding mime types
[04:27] <Bsdler> hey gus :> one question
[04:27] <Bsdler> whats the newest kernel ?
[04:27] <Bsdler> ver
[04:27] <Bsdler> s
[04:27] <Bsdler> ?
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> 2.6.19
[04:28] <Minataku> Bsdler: You can check at www.kernel.org
[04:28] <malik_> i have kweather buit its not working properly for my location
[04:28] <Bsdler> and ubuntu is based on ?
[04:28] <malik_> it says some packages or files missing
[04:28] <Minataku> Oh, specifically for Ubuntu
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> Bsdler: feisty is 2.6.19
[04:28] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[04:28] <genii> edgy is 2.6.17-10
[04:28] <Minataku> Debian, which Ubuntu is based on is 2.2.20
[04:28] <Minataku> j/k
[04:29] <Bsdler> h oki :>
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> ok, no howto on setting up a USB sound card with ubuntu
[04:29] <mcrandello> Valmarko: try apt-getting flashplugin-nonfree it showed up on my konqueror after installing that and rescanning
[04:29] <GrahamA> A USB sound card?
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> GrahamA: yep, sb live
[04:30] <mcrandello> I think I had downloaded the plugin from adobe before and manually dropped it into the .mozilla dir
[04:30] <Valmarko> I did it before but I will do it again
[04:30] <Rythan> Linux_Galore: My Feisty has 2.6.20-2
[04:30] <mcrandello> also I figured out my FF problem
[04:30] <Rythan> Well -4 but the nvidia-glx binaries don't work with it
[04:30] <GrahamA> Give it a few more years we wont' need PCI sockets or anything, we'll just have a cube covered in USB ports, you plug in the RAM, CPU, HDD, CDD, GFX card and everything else...
[04:30] <mcrandello> krandrtray decided I had another monitor hooked up somewhere and that's where it was going,
[04:31] <superkirbyartist> I would appreciate any help with my wireless laptop card from D-Link.  I don't see a "Wireless" option in Networking.
[04:31] <genii> Minataku The SS10 .. I have the mb out but it's so pretty I hate to rip out all the chips/dughterboards  etc LOL ... but oh well
[04:31] <Bsdler> Minataku thx.
[04:31] <Minataku> genii: Heehee
[04:32] <Minataku> Yeah, I know, give me the mainboard out of that, too
[04:32] <Minataku> I want to desolder the chips on the mainboard
[04:32] <genii> Minataku So Should I bother disassembling that one?
[04:32] <Minataku> genii: You know what, leave that one whole too, then XD
[04:32] <genii> Minataku OK :)
[04:33] <Minataku> I was thinking that perhaps the case would be really heavy and shave a lot of weight off XD
[04:33] <mcrandello> well one thing I notice is that the flash player seems to work a lot better in konqueror
[04:33] <Minataku> But whole is okay too ^^
[04:33] <Minataku> It'll just cost a bit more XD
[04:33] <genii> Minataku The PS in them seems to be like 95% of the wieght
[04:34] <Minataku> Yeah, it probably is
[04:34] <Minataku> The damn things are all steel XD
[04:35] <genii> Minataku What the hell is a PrestoServe card??
[04:35] <Minataku> I dunno but I want it
[04:35] <Minataku> XD
[04:35] <Minataku> Lemme check Google
[04:36] <genii> Legato systems
[04:36] <Minataku> Ah
[04:36] <Minataku> It's an NFS Accelerator
[04:36] <genii> Interesting
[04:36] <Minataku> Wow, 20s! I love Google :D
[04:36] <Minataku> genii: If you could just tear the PSU out of the SS10 I can dispose of the case myself
[04:37] <Minataku> I do need a replacement nameplate for an SS10, too, actually :o
[04:37] <Minataku> XD
[04:37] <GrahamA> People of the Kubuntu channel! I declare I have a small problem! I'm mounting a shamba share in /etc/fstab and when it mounts it leaves a link on my desktop, how to I get rid of the desktop link?
[04:37] <genii> Minataku I already have the entire thing apart LOL
[04:37] <mcrandello> GrahamA: hang on a sec I was just in where you do that
[04:37] <Minataku> genii: Okay, that's fine too then XD
[04:37] <linx-> does anybody know where to get ktouch lectures (other then the auto generated ones) ?
[04:38] <Minataku> If you could very carefully take the nameplate off XD
[04:38] <mcrandello> GrahamA: right click on the desktop go to "desktop properties"
[04:38] <Minataku> If it's too much trouble don't bother XD
[04:38] <mcrandello> GrahamA: then click on the behavior item on the left, then "device icons" tab
[04:38] <genii> Minataku OK I'll figure out how
[04:38] <GrahamA> You mean configure desktop?
[04:38] <Minataku> Awesome :D
[04:38] <mcrandello> GrahamA: yeah
[04:39] <GrahamA> Thank you good sir, you saved the day!
[04:41] <Minataku> genii: The one I got had this crap on it... I tried to scrape it off and scraped off the paint, too >.<
[04:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> !cubemap
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cubemap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <mcrandello> Valmarko: have you had any luck with the flash plugin?
[04:42] <GrahamA> Ok, so who has a problem?
[04:43] <Valmarko> I just installed Kubuntu 6.10 . Do you have flash videos and animations activated in Konqueror? Could you explain me how you did it? thanks
[04:43] <genii> Minataku There was a little hole inside the case. I pushed a bolt thru and the plate popped out perfect
[04:43] <Minataku> genii: Sweet :D
[04:43] <GrahamA> Yes I do, I installed the same thing you did.
[04:43] <Valmarko> mcrandello, no
[04:44] <GrahamA> What happens when you view flash?
[04:44] <Valmarko> A lot of white holes :)
[04:44] <mcrandello> Valmarko: which version of kde is currently on there?
[04:44] <Valmarko> 3.5.5
[04:45] <mcrandello> man that's wierd
[04:45] <GrahamA> Have you tried restarting your computer?
[04:45] <Valmarko> no
[04:45] <GrahamA> Well... do...
[04:45] <Valmarko> just ctrl+alt + <-
[04:45] <Valmarko> ok
[04:45] <mcrandello> I have the same versions, just installed the libflash-nonfree package, hit update in konq and then headed to youtube to verify
[04:46] <mcrandello> you have java of some sort installed, right?
[04:46] <mcrandello> that's the only other thing I can think og
[04:46] <mcrandello> of
[04:46] <Valmarko> you mean libflash-nonfree?
[04:46] <malik_> how do we purge and remove packages?
[04:46] <mcrandello> yeah the last thing on the list when you "apt-cache search flash"
[04:47] <mcrandello> malik_: either dpkg -r pkgname or sudo apt-get remove pkgname
[04:47] <Valmarko> I tried flashplugin-nonfree. Maybe I should try with libflashnonfree
[04:47] <mcrandello> wait a sec
[04:47] <Valmarko> ok
[04:47] <genii> malik_ sudo apt-get remove <packagename>   purging: sudo apt-get --purge remove <packagename>   works
[04:48] <mcrandello> Valmarko: it was the flashplayer-nonfree that I installed
[04:48] <genii> may be that remove and --purge   are reversed
[04:48] <Valmarko> oh... I installed flashplugin-nonfree
[04:48] <genii> I always forget which order they appear in LOL
[04:48] <mcrandello> gah that's the one
[04:49] <Valmarko> let's see :)
[04:49] <malik_> thanx guyz
[04:49] <mcrandello> either too much or not enough caffiene today
[04:49] <malik_> any other weather report applet besides kweather?
[04:49] <genii> mcrandello I'd give you some coffee if I could :)
[04:49] <mcrandello> I wonder if this "gnash" player is any good
[04:50] <genii> malik_ If you have firefox there is a very good weather plugin
[04:50] <genii> forecastfox-enhanced
[04:51] <Valmarko> Impossible to find flashplayer-nonfree ...
[04:51] <mcrandello> it was flashplugin
[04:51] <mcrandello> sorry
[04:51] <Jucato> flashplugin-nonfree
[04:51] <Valmarko> %(
[04:52] <mcrandello> last one on the list
[04:53] <Valmarko> I'll be right back ...
[04:53] <genii> Hey is anyone running asterisk under ubuntu-server?
[04:56] <genii> Or for that matter anything using a Digium XP100 ?
[04:57] <mcrandello> OMG someone started maintaining x3270
[04:58] <mcrandello> that thing was a pita to build from source
[04:58] <genii> I think i may have terminals that old around here :)
[04:59] <mcrandello> part of my job involves logging into one, had been using hummingbird at work
[04:59] <genii> mcrandello Geez, I had imagined the only ones using those anymore were maybe some basement boys at IBM and NASA
[05:00] <Night_Fox> hi there, i'd like to configure my tv device, but i can't find the file modules.conf... where do i change de the modules configurations??
[05:00] <mcrandello> basement boys at colleges :)
[05:00] <Valmarko> The main reason I'm giving some importance to multimedia and its plugins it's beacuse I'm using my pc as a desktop, mainly to acess internet resources. I'm not using it as a server.  I could install Firefox but, if there is a way of making konqueror do all the job, that would be great
[05:01] <HymnToLife> Valmarko, all FF plugins should work in konqueror
[05:01] <HymnToLife> at leas Flash and Java do
[05:01] <HymnToLife> so I guess it's the same for all of them
[05:01] <mcrandello> Valmarko: I would say check with #kde as well
[05:01] <Dr_willis> but not all the cool extensions. :(
[05:01] <genii> Yeah isn't there some KIO plugin system KDE uses? All plugins globally accessible etc?
[05:01] <Valmarko> thanks
[05:01] <Night_Fox> hi there, i'd like to configure my tv device, but i can't find the file modules.conf... where do i change de the modules configurations??
[05:02] <Night_Fox> at kubuntu
[05:02] <mcrandello> Valmarko: it should be working out of the box though, this is unusual
[05:02] <mcrandello> is it a 64 bit system?
[05:02] <genii> Night_Fox  /etc/modules
[05:06] <genii> Anyone do automated installs? I need some preseed file help
[05:07] <Dr_willis> "  it will be possible to run the beautiful Dashboard widgets of Mac OSX in KDE 4.0. "
[05:07] <Dr_willis> what are osx widgets written in anyway?
[05:07] <genii> Likely XML
[05:09] <genii> hmm
[05:09] <Dr_willis> reading up on kde4 stuff :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> too bad i hate desktop widgets. :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> i perfer gizmos that sit in the panel where i can see them all the time
[05:10] <genii> Dr_willis Reading up on osx widgets :) I'll let you know what they are written in shortly
[05:11] <jontec> how do I install fonts on edgy? I don't see it in system settings like dapper :(
[05:11] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:11] <Dr_willis> type in fonts:/ in konqueror, drag/drop i think :)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> or is it fonts:\
[05:11] <Minataku> genii: I think they're written in Cocoa
[05:11] <Dr_willis> or is it fonts:// ?
[05:12] <Minataku> Apple's own proprietary crap
[05:12] <Minataku> Just like the rest of OSX that isn't Darwin
[05:12] <genii> Dr_willis It's active html content apparently
[05:12] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I never have managed to figure out superkaramba enoguh to get some widgets/.desktop setup how i like it..
[05:13] <genii> And the example I see source code for on macdevcenter  has XML headers/wrapper
[05:13] <mcrandello> I saw a font installer in kcontrol under "system administration" I think
[05:14] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm anti-Apple XD
[05:14] <Minataku> I mean, I have a 68k Mac but it was bought second-hand to run A/UX because I'm a Unix addict
[05:15] <genii> Dr_willis http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/06/dashboard.html
[05:15] <Dr_willis> heh - i got an old imacdv
[05:15] <Dr_willis> in the closset.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> that make me a "Closet Mac User" ?
[05:15] <Minataku> lol
[05:15] <Minataku> Mine is a Quadra 650
[05:15] <Dr_willis> i cant find any OTHER use for it then as a door stop.
[05:15] <mcrandello> macquarium
[05:15] <genii> Minataku Heh I have some of those
[05:15] <genii> And some 603
[05:16] <Dr_willis> it can play dvd's i guess.. but it has 128mb ram. last i had linux on it.. the display was off possition by like 1 inch to the left.. and i never did get it fixed
[05:16] <Minataku> Sasuke (The Q650) had a 601 upgrade in it
[05:16] <Minataku> I took it out
[05:16] <Minataku> A/UX is 68k only
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Minix!
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <Minataku> lol
[05:17] <genii> I tried and tried to put NetBSD on those macs but eventually i had to go with Yellow Dog
[05:17] <mcrandello> There's an old 68k AT&T unix pc with system V sitting in my dining room
[05:17] <mcrandello> my mom picked it up a garage sale for me
[05:17] <Minataku> Yeah, last thing anyone'd ever want to use is Debian/anything
[05:17] <Minataku> XD
[05:18] <Minataku> Sorry, I don't like Debian, either... too many bad experiences XD
[05:19] <genii> I like debian based systems way more than any RH based. At least they have some sane packaging system
[05:19] <Minataku> I use Gentoo now
[05:19] <Minataku> I never successfully installed Debian... well, once
[05:19] <genii> Minataku Heh, thats Debian based
[05:19] <Minataku> But it broke itself shortly after
[05:19] <Minataku> genii: No it's not
[05:19] <Minataku> It's its own distro
[05:20] <Minataku> Uses Portage
[05:20] <genii> Yes, I know
[05:20] <genii> emerge etc
[05:20] <Minataku> Ah, sorry X3
[05:23] <Balsamic_Chicken> !cairo
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cairo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's looking glass, it's sort of like beryl, but it looks different, is it part of beryl?
[05:26] <genii> !libpixman1
[05:26] <ubotu> libpixman1: Cairo pixel manipulation library. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.6-1 (edgy), package size 57 kB, installed size 172 kB
[05:27] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken LookingGlass is a Sun Microsystems desktop, entirely java
[05:27] <genii> 3D Java desktop
[05:27] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  ya saw the demo livecd at disrtowatch ?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  it was a big deal a year? 2 3? a go..  and to be honest... im not impressed then.. or now.. heh heh
[05:29] <genii> I suspect nick "sales_" is a listen-bot
[05:30] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii Dr_willis cool, thx for the info
[05:30] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii Dr_willis does beryl have something like it?
[05:31] <Balsamic_Chicken> i got too much free time now on vacation just wanted to try everything out =)
[05:31] <freeride> what did I miss?
[05:31] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken I am not using beryl so I cannot tell you
[05:32] <Dr_willis> beryl has a lot of similer features  and many more.. Looking Glass was never actually useable as i rember.
[05:32] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool, thx tho, just putting it out there see if anyone might know =)
[05:32] <Balsamic_Chicken> ic
[05:32] <genii> Dr_willis actually there appears to be some d/l at sun for it
[05:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> how could i make the windows stack vertically (well line up against the sides of the cube sort of) in beryls
[05:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> sort of like how in vista u can stack the windows like vertically'ish
[05:33] <Dr_willis> genii,  theres demos of it out.. a slax lve cd is at the DisrtoWatch site.. but go use it for a while.. and all it seems to be is just show off stuff.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> I find the idea of stacking things to the side to be rather... well... pointless.
[05:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> !slax
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slax - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <Dr_willis> looks good on video/demo... but  why bother. :)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Slax - a live cd linux system - based on slackware. very handy, and easy to customize
[05:34] <genii> I like the idea of flipping say browser windows around backwards and writing notes on them LOL
[05:34] <Dr_willis> notes like "This is a browser"
[05:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:35] <genii> heh
[05:37] <reldruh> hello. I'm trying to set up a media server with kubuntu and ubuntu server and I was hoping to get some help accessing it over the internet
[05:37] <reldruh> as opposed to just my local network like it is now
[05:37] <genii> Dr_willis Bleh, they have 3 files in dir "obsolete-source-snapshot" but zilch in "release" LOL
[05:37] <Valmarko> Should I try Kubuntu feisty herd ?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  over the  open internet? the wild dangerous scary internet?
[05:38] <||arifaX> I have to echo value 1833000 into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq during boot after cpu detection but before powernowd starts. In which script do I have to write it?
[05:38] <reldruh> Dr_willis: that very one, yes :-)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  depends on what you are doing exactly.. but ssh comes in handy. :)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  or use some sort of streaming server/system.
[05:39] <genii> reldruh What, like a BlackICE server or so?
[05:39] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I've tried to use ssh but never managed to get it working.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> or set up a VPN i guess..
[05:39] <reldruh> genii: I don't know what BlackICE is. Right now I have two samba shares on a server that get mounted at startup that have all my music and pictures
[05:39] <reldruh> Dr_willis: how would I go about doing that?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of details here that dictate what would be best.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> you dont want to have samba shares over the internet. :)
[05:40] <genii> DEFINITELY not
[05:40] <genii> *perhaps* nfs
[05:40] <reldruh> what do I want to have then?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> ssh and the various sshfs (ssh filesystems) are handy
[05:40] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  you just want to remotely access the files? with what os/tools are you going to be accessing them?
[05:40] <reldruh> there's obviously more to it than just changing that part of the line in fstabb
[05:41] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  file servers over the internet - is a 'huge' topic. :P  and it all depends on the details.
[05:41] <reldruh> I'm going to be using kubuntu and whatever else I need
[05:41] <Dr_willis> so a linux to linux setup then?
[05:41] <reldruh> Dr_willis: yes
[05:42] <reldruh> they're both ubuntu. The server is straight from the ubuntu server cd and the laptop is a plain kubuntu desktop
[05:42] <Dr_willis> ssh and the fuse/sshfs stuff would be rather easy.. but you plan on playign the fles from the server? or just copy them locally then play?
[05:42] <reldruh> what kinds of details are important?
[05:42] <genii> *nix to *nix nfs over internet is not horribly insecure
[05:42] <reldruh> playing them from the server. I don't want them stored locally
[05:42] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  then your connection speeds will be a big issue.
[05:43] <lupine_85> argh :( I need a clock that does transparent backgrounds and will happily sit in the KDE taskbar. any ideas?
[05:43] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I generally have pretty good connection speeds. Anywhere from 300-600 kbps
[05:43] <Dr_willis> fuse + the various fuse tools like sshfs and so on. are soooo handy to know about - ya may want to check into those for the most secure.
[05:44] <reldruh> Dr_willis: in adept I see nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i dont use nfs enough to advise on it
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !nfs
[05:44] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[05:44] <ryantmer> How do I edit the sources.list file again?
[05:45] <ryantmer> (from the konsole)
[05:45] <Dr_willis> sudo EDITORYOULIKE /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:45] <genii> reldruh I think in this case your best bet is not to do any kind of over-the-internet filesystem mounting. Rather, some webserver based jukebox idea
[05:46] <reldruh> genii: all right, I'm open to that. Can I apache or some apache derivative for that?
[05:46] <reldruh> genii: and is it possible to have amarok use that or will I be stuck with a web interface?
[05:46] <ryantmer> And what would I add to sources.list to enable Thunderbird and Gaim?
[05:47] <genii> reldruh In the simplest case you can just put all your media files in some /var/www subdir, then use an alias entry for apache with some authentication method
[05:47] <genii> reldruh So then all you need is a stock Apache2 install
[05:47] <reldruh> genii: alias entry?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ryantmer: they're already in teh repos.  add them with "sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird gaim"
[05:48] <Hobbsee> (to your system, that is)
[05:48] <genii> reldruh Yes, there are examples in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled dir in the default file
[05:49] <ryantmer> It just says they're the newest version...
[05:49] <ryantmer> They still don't work, though
[05:49] <ryantmer> Should I try a restart? I guess this isn't Windoze, though
[05:49] <reldruh> genii: and after doing that would I be able to load all of the music into amarok or pick songs from a web interface?
[05:50] <genii> reldruh Then you make an http based auth method to force a login when ppl want to get to that page to give it some basic security. When you browse to that page, you would in simplist scenario see just a plain listing of all the media there, selecting them in browser gets them to whatever plays media files on that system
[05:51] <reldruh> genii: all right. Sounds like I have some research to do. Thanks for your help :-)
[05:51] <genii> reldruh np :)
[05:53] <stdin> anyone here tried that looking glass thing from java?
[05:53] <genii> stdin LOL we were just discussing that earlier
[05:53] <Dr_willis> egads..
[05:53] <heapme> i'm making a separate ext3 partition called 'backups' before i install linux. will the ubuntu installer auto detect it and let me tell it where to mount it (e.g., /home/backups) or do i have to mount it after linux is installed?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> i dont even think the thing has been updated.. someone just put it on a slax cd. :)
[05:54] <stdin> genii: I said I'd install it yesterday, someone was asking if it would work with beryl, and it don't :p
[05:54] <genii> stdin At any rate on the dev page for it there are 3 source code entries under dir "obsolete-source-snapshot" and zero files under "release"
[05:55] <Dr_willis> yea  - im thinking its just somehow got drug out again.. :)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> the original live cd for it was based on knoppix, the latest i see is now based on slax.
[05:55] <jaxon> hi people...could someone point me in the right direction on how i could install flashplayer plugin to the firefox folder? Thank you
[05:55] <stdin> genii: there is an apt source for it, it's at v1.0.0
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !flash9
[05:55] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[05:56] <genii> stdin No, there is NO package for it. It is almost like it's own java-based OS
[05:56] <jaxon> ok ..cheers
[05:56] <stdin> genii: https://lg3d.dev.java.net/lg3d-getting-started.html
[05:57] <genii> Hangon looking
[05:57] <stdin> heapme: you can choose where you want to mount it during the install
[05:58] <heapme> cool :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> actually from what i saw on the live cd - it seemed to run on top of fluxbox
[05:58] <heapme> stdin is that specific to just ubuntu or most modern linux distros
[05:58] <Dr_willis> let me fire it up under vmware :)
[05:59] <rexbron> hey
[05:59] <stdin> heapme: most will let you do it, you set it up during the partitioning section, just choose where you want it to mount
[05:59] <rexbron> Any files I transfer from amarok do not play
[05:59] <rexbron> it is recent
[05:59] <genii> stdin Damn, there's a deb! On the main page for the project is where I could not find even a release
[05:59] <rexbron> I found a bug report on bugs.kde.org
[05:59] <heapme> stdin and it auto creats the fstab like that?
[06:00] <rexbron> they say it is a kubuntu issue
[06:00] <stdin> genii: google is your friend, that's where I found the page
[06:00] <genii> stdin Since it is supposed to be a native java OS I dunno how well it will run in some javavm
[06:00] <stdin> heapme: yeah
[06:00] <heapme> neat
[06:00] <Dr_willis> its not really a java os. from what i recall.. it is a java program running on top of X
[06:01] <Dr_willis> too bad i deleted the .iso or i would try it undervmware to see if it runs better then on my cheap laptop. :)
[06:01] <stdin> genii: there are 3 packages, it has it's own jdk package, it runs on my system fine :)
[06:01] <genii> stdin Cool :)
[06:01] <Metz> ...can someone help me with java/flash :(
[06:01] <stdin> it's like a desktop environment, same as kde
[06:02] <Dr_willis> stdin,  it dosent even have those features. :)
[06:03] <stdin> Dr_willis: I meant you'd run it instead of KDE, it adds an entry to the sessions menu in kdm
[06:03] <xeen7_7> are u from america ?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> stdin,  heh - ok. correct.
[06:04] <Metz> whats the difference between FlashPlayer-Mozilla and Flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:04] <genii> I'm still saving my moolah for the first holographic 3D monitor/video output system
[06:05] <genii> Like Jetsons LOL
[06:05] <stdin> :p
[06:05] <stdin> Metz: help page for flash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[06:06] <stdin> Metz: and java: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[06:06] <stdin> opps
[06:06] <stdin> Metz: and java: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[06:06] <stdin> java
[06:06] <Metz> so, Firefox 2.0 keeps crashing on me
[06:06] <Metz> when it goes to load Java, i believe, how do i fix that?
[06:07] <heapme> firefox2 is stable in osx and windows but not linux :( unfair since we're the open source-iest
[06:07] <stdin> first make sure you have it installed right
[06:07] <Metz> i installed it with Adept
[06:07] <Metz> im assuming it got installed correctly?
[06:07] <heapme> did you install the updates for it?
[06:07] <heapme> kubuntu will probably notify you that there are new updates for firefox 2 awaiting installation
[06:07] <Metz> through Adept? or do i gotta dig them up somewhere else
[06:08] <heapme> did for me anyway
[06:08] <heapme> down in the panel where the kubuntu update manager icon is
[06:08] <Metz> i think i did
[06:08] <Metz> im not sure tho :-\
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i saw some firefox updates just this week
[06:09] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[06:09] <Jucato> Adept Notifier (adept_notifier) runs and update once a day, and will display an icon in the system tray if updates are available
[06:09] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 8992 kB, installed size 28580 kB
[06:09] <genii> If you don't get a little green dot there after searches for updates are done, you need to do the updates
[06:09] <premier__> why is everything in linux "lightweight"
[06:09] <Jucato> ??
[06:10] <genii> I wouldn't actually say that FF *is* lightweight
[06:10] <heapme> 4gb should be enough for a /home partition if i'm the only user of the system and i wont be installing huge media files like mp3s or movies in it right?
[06:10] <genii> heapme Yup plenty
[06:10] <heapme> lighter weight than mozilla but not lightweight overall, it's a ram hog
[06:10] <heapme> opera is a super nice browser
[06:10] <Jucato> heapme: how much / and swap?
[06:10] <Metz> ooo! 10 updates, how exciting!
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Metz,  and they are all for openoffice! :)
[06:10] <genii> I'm still liking my "elinks" :)
[06:10] <heapme> like 75gb for / and 768mb swap
[06:11] <Metz> boo! ::sobs::
[06:11] <heapme> elinks is great if you're just googling around and not youtubing
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Metz,  and i never even USE openoffice. :)
[06:11] <genii> heapme :)
[06:11] <heapme> but we all youtube
[06:11] <premier__> heapme: what are you installing?  Is 75 a bit much for / ?
[06:11] <heapme> admit it
[06:11] <Metz> so, how the hell do i get videos and such to work on.... any browser
[06:11] <premier__> elinks?
[06:11] <heapme> linux, dual boot system with win2k
[06:12] <genii> heapme Nah I have no time for things like youtube
[06:12] <Jucato> heapme: 75gb for root? too much
[06:12] <heapme> genii dont let pesky things like sleep and exercise get in the way
[06:12] <heapme> jucato? well what should i do make more partitions for like /var and /tmp?
[06:12] <premier__> yeah, esp if you have your on /home part, you only need, maybe 12g max, but Im no expert
[06:12] <heapme> i'm not gonna install untill i get the perfect partition table set up
[06:13] <heapme> so i should give most to /home?
[06:13] <Jucato> heapme: why do you need /var and /tmp to be so big?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i tend to just have a /  and a /home and swap.
[06:13] <heapme> i dont
[06:13] <Jucato>  /tmp gets cleaned after every boot
[06:13] <genii> heapme LOL I have never really seena "perfect" partition table setup
[06:13] <heapme> i plan to install a lot of packages though, so i need /bin or whatever to have a lot of allocated space
[06:13] <premier__> heapme: what consitutes perfection?
[06:13] <Minataku> Mine is very simple
[06:13] <Jucato>  /var doesn't get that big if you clean the apt cache once in a while
[06:13] <Minataku> 3 partitions
[06:13] <Minataku> One /boot, one swap, one /
[06:13] <heapme> genni well not 'perfect' but somethin i'll be happy with and not wish i had done it differently a month from now
[06:13] <Dr_willis> what no /porn ?
[06:14] <Minataku> But then Piyoko is a home system running no services
[06:14] <Jucato> heapme: I have 1082 packages installed, and I haven't gone beyond 5GB at all
[06:14] <genii> <-- one /boot one / one /home
[06:14] <Minataku> Dr_willis: That's on the external drive
[06:14] <Minataku> lol
[06:14] <heapme> i want /home on its own partition incase / file system corrupts
[06:14] <premier__> Dr_willis: very funny
[06:14] <heapme> just safer that way
[06:14] <Dr_willis> i keep /home on its own hard drive
[06:14] <Minataku> heapme: True, but that's rare
[06:14] <heapme> i onlh have one hard drive :\
[06:14] <Minataku> Worse is having the HDD fail
[06:14] <Minataku> In which case everything's gone anyway
[06:14] <genii> Dr_willis separate hd for /home is a good idea
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Only 1? how.... 1990'ish...
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:14] <heapme> Minataku not so rare since its a dual boot system and im using ext3 drivers from windows
[06:14] <Dr_willis> i got 7 in this box.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:14] <Minataku> I keep very little of importance in my home
[06:15] <Jucato> heapme: you just have to once in a while check /var/cache/apt/archives... which stores the .deb packages for what you install through apt-get/adept
[06:15] <Minataku> All that's on my external
[06:15] <heapme> Minataku where do you keep it? hmm
[06:15] <heapme> Minataku well i'm keeping most of my important stuff on a separate FAT32 partition
[06:15] <Minataku> lol
[06:15] <heapme> so i can acess it from windows and linux without worrying about corrupting the file system
[06:15] <Minataku> My external is in three partitions because of FAT32
[06:15] <genii> Since I generally untar source and so on in some subdir of my /home I like a fair bit of space there
[06:15] <Minataku> A leftover, if you will
[06:15] <jontec> Hey is there anyway that I can use the fact that my Lexmark printer is connected to a windows computer to my advantage? Any thoughts?
[06:15] <Jucato> heapme: then make 5 (but will be displayed as 6) partitions
[06:15] <heapme> genii i read its best to install source code like that in /opt/
[06:16] <heapme> genii but that might depend on what perms you have
[06:16] <Jucato> heapme: you can install source code in /opt or in /home
[06:16] <genii> heapme I generally have like a ~/tmp where I compile/dissect source
[06:16] <heapme> i know but /opt is the FHS standard though for 3rd party software. doesnt really matter i guess, though some programs might look in /opt and /etc/opt for config files
[06:17] <Jucato> hda1 = Windows; hda2 = /; hda3 = swap; hda4 = extended partition that will contain: hda5 = /home; hda6 = fat32 partition
[06:17] <Minataku> XP could only make FAT32 to 32GB
[06:17] <Jucato> heapme:
[06:17] <Minataku> So an 80 splits into three of 32/32/left
[06:17] <Minataku> XD
[06:17] <heapme> take what i say with a grain of salt, i'm still a noob
[06:17] <Minataku> BUT that made it good when I switched it to Reiser3
[06:17] <heapme> this is just stuff i read :p
[06:18] <Jucato> heapme: you can install source code in /home as well. it doesn't matter if you install in /opt or /home as long as you have permissions in those directories, and you set the correct prefixes and paths
[06:18] <premier__> heapme: you know, theres a pretty nice third party program for winXP that allows you to view Ext3 partitions
[06:18] <heapme> premier__ view yes, but not write to without fear of corrupting :(
[06:19] <lupine_85> heapme: there's a driver that lets you write to them and it works fine
[06:19] <Jucato> heapme: you can read/write from XP to Ext3 with a special program/driver. but not the other way around
[06:19] <heapme> i used one yesterday and corrupted my ext3 well not really the ext3 is fine but windows driver now refuses to read it for some reason
[06:19] <heapme> i know, but that ext3 driver/program is not stable
[06:19] <lupine_85> meh. it's running in windows, what do you expect? ;)
[06:19] <Jucato> heapme: it is. the driver to read from Ext3.
[06:20] <Jucato> err
[06:20] <heapme> trust me, mine was working fine and then all the sudden tit refuses to work. if i try to access my ext3 it wont let me anymore, it says something like 'format the drive, yes/no'? and thats it now
[06:20] <Jucato> sorry, the driver to read/write to Ext3 in Windows XP
[06:20] <genii> benefit of compiling source in ~/tmp ... you can just back that up or have it mounted on it's own hd whatever . then transplant all back in when upgrade or whatever. Also mountable same /home from any number of distros multibooting
[06:20] <genii> An no re-d/l of customised source etc etc
[06:20] <Minataku> Don't touch NTFS with Linux, MS keeps changing it to screw things up
[06:20] <Minataku> lol
[06:21] <heapme> Minataku thats why i want to just use fat32, that should be safer
[06:21] <heapme> just for backups of text/html files
[06:21] <Minataku> heapme: Yeah, MS more or less abandoned that
[06:21] <heapme> and not my first line of backups, like a 3rd backup after /home partition and usb drive
[06:22] <hagabaka> could anyone check if http://supybot.com/ is rendered correctly in Konqueror? as in whether the site stylesheet is used or is it displayed with the default fonts, colors and without borders?
[06:22] <heapme> just an extra extra safety measure and to allow me to write files from when im in windows
[06:22] <Minataku> Heh, I'm lame, I should back up but I'm lazy >.<
[06:22] <Minataku> I know
[06:23] <Minataku> Even after learning my lesson SEVERAL TIMES
[06:23] <Minataku> >.<
[06:23] <stdin> if you don't mind loosing all your data, then don't backup :p
[06:23] <heapme> Minataku i think i'm going to set up a cron job to backup to dvd at 3am once a week using growisofs or something. until i can get another computer/wireless router and use rysnc anyway
[06:23] <Minataku> I do mind, I'm just... *cries* XD
[06:23] <heapme> ive learned never to be lazy with backups, dont event reboot yer computer thinkin it'll be ok
[06:23] <heapme> i get screwed EVERY TIME i think that it'll be fine :(
[06:24] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:24] <genii> no backup folks are why data recovery labs are laughing all the way to their Swiss bank accounts
[06:24] <Minataku> Swiss, tell me about it
[06:24] <Minataku> lol
[06:24] <heapme> and sometimes i get cheap and dont want to buy dvds but they're too cheap to matter. my data is most important
[06:24] <Minataku> The cost of that s...ervice
[06:24] <Minataku> My data isn't critical in any capacity
[06:24] <Minataku> I'd like to keep it but I'm the only one affected if it's lost
[06:24] <heapme> this is why i wont even install linux until i have a good backup strategy now. i want to be using linux right now but im researchin this stuff the last few days hardcore
[06:25] <Minataku> Which is probably why I'm so complacent about it
[06:25] <heapme> no one should use a computer without an organized filesystem that is in sync with a backup strategy
[06:25] <genii> heapme I use an rsync backup method
[06:25] <heapme> or a year from now you'll be crying
[06:26] <heapme> before i had a cd burner i usd to have to intetionally lose my data to do a reinstall heh, it required crying
[06:26] <heapme> but now theres no excuse
[06:26] <genii> I have a dedicated box with raided / and double raid 1 mirrors which grabs stuff from all the machines and then i can dump it all on a removeable 750
[06:26] <heapme> nice
[06:26] <genii> And lock that up in a separate place in case of fire
[06:26] <heapme> tho i dont trust zip drives anymore
[06:27] <Dr_willis> the click of death!
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <Minataku> lol
[06:27] <Minataku> I've seen all sorts of crazy HDD failures
[06:28] <genii> Minataku What made me cry once was a raid5 with 3 drives no spare. 1 drive went kaput so running degraded. Before we got the replacement in there one of the remaining drives blew
[06:29] <Minataku> Ouch
[06:29] <genii> 4000 ppl home webpages ... kaput
[06:29] <Minataku> >.<
[06:29] <genii> So now I'm a freak for redundancy
[06:30] <heapme> i cant sleep at night without backups in place anymore, hardware failures at the worst times have consistently ruined my life
[06:31] <heapme> and software failures :|
[06:32] <Minataku> And random supernatural occurances outside the realm of both
[06:32] <heapme> my 13" no name television has been working for 10 years pefectly and cost $100. but i can't get any single peice of computer hardware to last more than a year or two
[06:32] <Minataku> Well, in defense, computers are a lot more complicated XD
[06:32] <Minataku> As for me I've got numerous old second-hand electronics
[06:32] <genii> When it's my own data lost I don't care much, like Minataku. When it's customer data at stake I spare no storage expense etc
[06:32] <Minataku> Including a Toshiba T1200 from 1987
[06:32] <Minataku> genii: Of course
[06:33] <heapme> heh
[06:33] <heapme> customers schmustomers
[06:33] <Minataku> That has a 20MB HDD that still works perfectly
[06:33] <heapme> i betta not lose my code or pics!
[06:33] <genii> Minataku Heh, i still have my Toshiba Satellite 2100 ... runs 5.10 perfectly :)
[06:33] <heapme> thankfully sourceforge uses subversion
[06:33] <Minataku> genii: lol
[06:34] <Minataku> Nice
[06:34] <genii> I like those old keyboard joysticks way better than the touchpads now
[06:34] <Minataku> Oh, definitely
[06:35] <Minataku> Eraser > Touchpad
[06:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> !akimaru
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about akimaru - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <heapme> copying files from linux to windows (using ext3 drives in windows) isnt possible to harm the ext3 partition right? since it's just reading from it
[06:37] <heapme> i think if i reinstall my ext3 drivers and they hopefully start working, then i can still copy files to windows partition so i wont have to put them on dvds to salvage
[06:37] <Minataku> Theoretically, I don't think Windows allows mount options
[06:37] <Minataku> lol
[06:37] <genii> Minataku BTW if you like Sun equipment you would love this Sunfire X2100 we use nowadays :) The only issue i have with it is it sounds like it is an F16 when you power it on
[06:37] <Minataku> genii: Heehee
[06:38] <genii> I thought I broke it the first time I hit the power switch
[06:39] <genii> We run amd64 debian on that one :)
[06:39] <wabbit> Hi all I've moved to edgy and kde3.5.5...but all of a sudden the usb drives are not being detected the camera works though and the detection services are up..any ideas as to what I must do??
[06:41] <stdin> do the devices show when you do lsusb ?
[06:41] <genii> Sounds like some dev entry not being made by udev
[06:45] <genii> Also any entries in /dev/bus/usb/001  or /dev/bus/usb/00#  (# could be any depending on how many usb adapters)
[06:45] <Balsamic_Chicken> !kvm
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: Kernel-based Virtual Machine ?
[06:46] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken You have some keyboard/video/mouse box?
[06:46] <genii> (kvm switch)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> !syngery
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about syngery - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <Dr_willis> i never can spell that right
[06:46] <genii> heh
[06:46] <Dr_willis> !find synegry
[06:46] <ubotu> Package/file synegry does not exist in edgy
[06:46] <genii> !synergy
[06:46] <ubotu> synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 1460 kB
[06:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii ah ic, thx
[06:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin thx
[06:47] <genii> Dr_willis makes housecalls ;)
[06:49] <genii> Here we used to use a shared vnc desktop as sort of whiteboard but everyone trying to control the mouse gets somewhat annoying
[06:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there bdock in beryl, if so, how do i turn it on (i asked in beryl channel, everyone wasn't sure)
[06:52] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken googling now for some kind of enlightening info :)
[06:56] <premier_> hey, does anyone here know eclipse, the ide?
[06:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii thx, hopefully u have better luck than me
[06:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii google keeps telling me i mispelt bdock and it should be block lol
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I got Konueror all messed up.. odd.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> menu items are not showing up.. no profiles.. cant change view modes..
[06:59] <Dr_willis> wonder how i did that
[06:59] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Interestingly i found some src code for bdock relating to beryl at http://bugs.beryl-project.org/browser/trunk/bdock/src
[06:59] <genii> It may or may not be enlightening for you
[07:00] <stdin> that's the only thing I found too, if you want it, you have to compile it
[07:00] <genii> Dr_willis Sounds like some messed up ~/.whatever  stuff
[07:01] <Dr_willis> yea.. i just noticed it being messed up
[07:02] <Dr_willis> lets logout and see... well night all.
[07:02] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: is what you want "a standalone clone of WindowMaker dock app" ?
[07:03] <genii> I need coffee
[07:04] <genii> :p
[07:04] <genii> :P   even
[07:04] <genii> stdin b**tard...oops lucky so n so that is
[07:04] <stdin> heh :p
[07:05] <genii> unix_infidel Heya
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin yes
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii thx for looking it up
[07:05] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: then you have to get it from svn and compile it
[07:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin cool, i'll look it up, thx
[07:06] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken as stdin says, it looks like anything of that kind the beryl devs aren't working on, but the source is available for the ppl that don't mind getting their hands dirty
[07:06] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: you just install the 'subversion' package (and probably autoconf and automake) then run: svn co svn://svn.beryl-project.org/beryl/trunk/bdock
[07:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii stdin yay k, i'll try see if i can set it up =)
[07:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx u guys =)
[07:07] <stdin> and you'll need to know how to resolve dependencies from configure scripts :p
[07:08] <stdin> i''m gonna try and compile it, I've got nothing to do right now :)
[07:08] <genii> stdin I am making a coffeerun :)
[07:09] <stdin> run genii, run :P
[07:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin i found a site that has bdock i just had it working http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:NeLBSi0DJCYJ:3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/beryl-svn/+svn+bdock&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
[07:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin doesn't look pretty like kiba dock hehe
[07:11] <pwn4tt4ck> need help. I installed PHP5, now how do I view the file in a web browser? every time I do it just shows me source code instead of the result of the code
[07:12] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: ahh , that's the repo I was using for beryl before I went to feisty, I'm still gonna compile it, I'm in the zone now :p
[07:13] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin hehe kk, have fun with it =)
[07:13] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: I will :D
[07:14] <Balsamic_Chicken> :)
[07:15] <ryantmer> Okay, this is beyond weird.
[07:15] <ryantmer> Well, we're talking computers here, so maybe not.
[07:15] <ryantmer> But within Adept, Thunderbird is appearing as "installed"
[07:15] <ryantmer> But the program still doesn't run, no matter what, it seems.
[07:16] <stdin> ryantmer: try running it from konsole to see if you get any errors
[07:16] <ryantmer> I've tried from the konsole, from teh K menu, and I've restarted twice...
[07:16] <stdin> did you get any errors from konsole then?
[07:16] <ryantmer> No, I don't get any errors
[07:16] <ryantmer> It just pauses, then goes to a new line
[07:17] <ryantmer> (I can run it from the default directory with a reg user, right?)
[07:17] <ryantmer> Or do I have to change to the directory where the thunderbird executable is?
[07:17] <stdin> you should just be able to type 'mozilla-thunderbird' anywhere and it will work
[07:18] <ryantmer> Yeah...
[07:18] <ryantmer> It doesn't though :X
[07:19] <stdin> ok, try running it from konsole again, and after it fails type 'echo $?' and tell me the number it shows
[07:19] <bork> windows rocks!
[07:19] <stdin> bork: windoes runs like a rock maybe
[07:20] <ryantmer> stdin: It gives me 1
[07:21] <ryantmer> (Just as a learning question, what does "echo $?" do?)
[07:21] <stdin> shows the exit status of a process, 0 = success, >0 = error
[07:22] <ryantmer> Ah... well, I'm getting 1, but it doesn't list any errors :/
[07:24] <stdin> try 'mozilla-thunderbird >/dev/null 2> errors.txt' and check the size of the errors.txt file after
[07:25] <genii> For anyone who cares, if you're in Toronto and planning to go outside bring a *large* umbrella
[07:26] <genii> stdin I'm soaked now but at least have caffeine LOL
[07:26] <stdin> coffee cures everything, even wetness :p
[07:27] <genii> That and a banana muffin
[07:28] <stdin> mmm, sounds nice
[07:28] <genii> stdin Did you get that thing compiled?
[07:28] <stdin> yeah, just doin a checkinstall now
[07:29] <genii> cool
[07:31] <stdin> genii: the man page is funny "bdock - program to do something"
[07:32] <genii> Since its quiet: Anyone used preseed files for unattended installs? If so would like some values for auto-adding default user/passwd because the examples given in my sample preseed file do *not* work
[07:32] <ryantmer> stdin: Where did the errors.txt file get saved to? I can find a /dev/null directory
[07:33] <genii> stdin Heh... they must figure if you know where it is or whatever you already know what it does LOL
[07:33] <stdin> ryantmer: it'll be in the directory you ran the command from (not in /dev/null)
[07:33] <ryantmer> oh, k
[07:33] <genii> ryantmer The erros.txt file got saved in whatever directory you ran the command
[07:33] <genii> heh
[07:34] <kouran> this has probably been asked a billion times, but has anyone solved the nvidia driver issue with xserver not starting on reboot under 6.10?
[07:34] <stdin> genii: under description it says "bdock is an application that let you minimize your windows in a modular dock." but under name it's just "bdock - program to do something"
[07:35] <stdin> so 'whatis bdock' comes up with "bdock - program to do something"
[07:35] <genii> stdin LOL Well, I guess because we all need a program to "do something"
[07:35] <stdin> most (but not all) programs do something :p
[07:35] <genii> Or perhaps it's a dev note to himself..eg: I needto program this to do something"
[07:36] <stdin> heh
[07:36] <stdin> it seems to work tho, even under kwin
[07:37] <genii> stdin So it goes with beryl then I assume
[07:37] <stdin> yeah, works with beryl too
[07:37] <stdin> it's a funky little app
[07:38] <genii> How does the docking thing work in 3D ?
[07:38] <morghanphoenix> any ides why my DVD drive is seen as being empty and the light stays on when a disc I know to be good is inserted?
[07:38] <NamShub> bbdock would be a very cool name
[07:39] <stdin> genii: as far as I can see, it's just like a task bar replacement
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> I'd try to mount it CLI but it's activly reading the drive, just not doing anything else.
[07:40] <genii> morghanphoenix My first inclination is to think it has an entry in /etc/fstab which tries to mount it every boot when it should have some line like auto
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> It is set to auto
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> And I've even rebooted just in case, still the same result.
[07:41] <genii> morghanphoenix Did it work previously?
[07:41] <genii> eg: this a recent development or an issue after a new install or so
[07:42] <morghanphoenix> Just started
[07:42] <morghanphoenix> Been working perfectly for the last few dozen discs since the fresh install
[07:42] <genii> Then I'd suspect hardware failure of some type
[07:42] <stdin> genii: you have X running?
[07:42] <genii> stdin Not on this box, it's CLI only
[07:43] <stdin> ahh, was gonna show you a screenshot, but if you don't have X... :p
[07:43] <genii> stdin If you paste to like imageshack I can run over to the windoze box and look at it :)
[07:43] <BlindSide> quick question
[07:43] <BlindSide> how to get kernal versoin
[07:44] <morghanphoenix> It's done this before, I hope it's not the DVD-ROM, only three months old.
[07:44] <genii> BlindSide uname -ra
[07:44] <morghanphoenix> That'd be a bad lifespan for a drive
[07:44] <BlindSide> thx
[07:44] <stdin> genii: is already on imageshack :p
[07:44] <stdin> http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot5qh5.jpg
[07:45] <genii> morghanphoenix As a blind guess... is this some Acer or Mitsumi model?
[07:46] <morghanphoenix> Toshiba
[07:46] <genii> Ah OK. No immediate clue then
[07:46] <genii> Mitsumi = total garbageola
[07:46] <genii> brb, checking imageshack :)
[07:46] <stdin> :)
[07:46] <stdin> ryantmer: any update on it yet?
[07:46] <morghanphoenix> I'm gonna try loading a CD and see if it's both drives or just my DVD
[07:47] <Rob-West> stdin what r u trying to get rid of
[07:47] <stdin> Rob-West: huh?
[07:47] <Rob-West> nbm
[07:47] <Rob-West> nvm*
[07:47] <stdin> ok :)
[07:50] <stdin> night Rob-West
[07:50] <morghanphoenix> CDs load in the DVD drive, just won't mount a DVD
[07:50] <morghanphoenix> This is so wierd
[07:51] <genii> stdin Looks intriguing
[07:51] <ryantmer> What is the default working directory for the konsole?
[07:51] <ryantmer> I can't seem to find the errors.txt file...
[07:51] <stdin> genii: yeah, I already closed it, and removed it :p
[07:52] <genii> ryantmer /home/yourusernamehere
[07:52] <stdin> ryantmer: default is your home dir
[07:53] <ryantmer> Okay, you wanted to know what about the errors.txt file?
[07:53] <stdin> is it bigger then 0 bytes?
[07:53] <genii> morghanphoenix Hmm sounds like some iso9660 vs udffs thing
[07:53] <ryantmer> No
[07:53] <genii> cd=iso9660
[07:53] <ryantmer> It is 0 bytes
[07:53] <stdin> ryantmer: hmm, ok
[07:53] <stdin> you can delete the file if you want then
[07:54] <morghanphoenix> On the same drive, they're different?
[07:54] <ryantmer> stdin: a'ight
[07:54] <stdin> ryantmer: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[07:54] <genii> morghanphoenix DVD does not use iso9660
[07:54] <ryantmer> 6.06 LTS
[07:54] <stdin> x86 ?
[07:54] <genii> At least not that I recall... some udf thing
[07:54] <ryantmer> Oh, yeah
[07:54] <morghanphoenix> Any idea how to fix that?
[07:55] <genii> morghanphoenix Looking into it now
[07:55] <morghanphoenix> Thanks, really frustrating, we were watching a series on DVD and have one disc left.
[07:56] <morghanphoenix> My computer is the only DVD player in the house.
[07:56] <morghanphoenix> 7 discs without a problem, just had to be the last one it decided to have a stroke on.
[07:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's the latest winex version
[07:58] <morghanphoenix> I'm thinking about buying windows to save money over Cedega in the long run, $55 a year adds up after a while.
[07:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> i know, i wonder how they get any business
[07:58] <morghanphoenix> But maybe WINE will get DX9 support soon.
[07:58] <stdin> ryantmer: try reinstalling it, sudo apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-thunderbird
[07:59] <morghanphoenix> I like not having to reboot into windows to play games, but not enough to pay that much for it.
[07:59] <morghanphoenix> I allready pay about $40 a month for my MMORPG memberships
[08:00] <morghanphoenix> Maybe it's time to cut it back to just UO, that works fine on the free WINE.
[08:00] <noiesmo> morghanphoenix, I thought you could join min 3 months to get cedega and then it would still work but no updates would be avail. unless you re join
[08:00] <stdin> morghanphoenix: have you tried vmware for your games (if your system is powerful enough for it)?
[08:00] <genii> morghanphoenix In fstab what fs it says for that drive?
[08:01] <ryantmer> stdin: Alright, now try running it again?
[08:01] <morghanphoenix> Okay, that's wierd
[08:02] <stdin> ryantmer: yes
[08:02] <morghanphoenix> HDC has disappeared from fstab
[08:02] <genii> morghanphoenix Well, that could be a cause for concern
[08:02] <morghanphoenix> How does something just disappear from fstab?
[08:03] <genii> Doesn't detect it
[08:03] <stdin> ryantmer: what do you mean, what's the error?
[08:03] <genii> does ls /dev/hd*  say there is an hdc ?
[08:03] <chih> hi everybody
[08:04] <morghanphoenix> no such file or directory
[08:04] <chih> shat
[08:04] <morghanphoenix> but it plays CDs from that drive
[08:04] <chih> what
[08:04] <chih> 
[08:04] <ryantmer> stdin: Nope, still the same thing as before...
[08:05] <chih> 
[08:05] <ryantmer> But I have to go now, actually. Thanks for all the help, I'm definitely further ahead than I was earlier today, I know a lot more about how Linux works now
[08:05] <chih>  File Server...
[08:05] <chih>    881
[08:05] <ryantmer> Haven't quite fixed it, but I'll leave that for tomorrow
[08:05] <ryantmer> Thanks
[08:05] <genii> morghanphoenix Hmmm.So I would check first all cables to the drive. Then if it has some master/slave jumper, put it to something definitely master or slave but *NOT* to cable select. Then make sure in bios the computer is seeing the drive
[08:06] <morghanphoenix> okay, what is the type and options for a DVD drive in fstab? I'm going to try entering it again and resaving fstab.
[08:06] <genii> hangon I'll find one
[08:06] <stdin> morghanphoenix: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 users,noauto,ro 0 0
[08:06] <morghanphoenix> It's in secondary master and the bios sees the drive
[08:06] <genii> stdin Heh :) Quick Draw McGraw there
[08:07] <stdin> hehe :)
[08:07] <genii> morghanphoenix Stdin's example works
[08:07] <morghanphoenix> ,ro?
[08:07] <morghanphoenix> what is that?
[08:07] <noiesmo> read only
[08:07] <genii> ro=read only
[08:07] <morghanphoenix> ah
[08:08] <morghanphoenix> so it's set as cdrom, cdrom0 is my cd burner.
[08:08] <morghanphoenix> that change is fine, yes?
[08:08] <genii> use instead cdrom1 if possible
[08:09] <morghanphoenix> do I need to make the directory in media, there's no cdrom1 there.
[08:09] <stdin> morghanphoenix:  /media/cdrom links to /media/cdrom0 , so /media/cdrom1 is better (and make sure it exists first)
[08:09] <genii> but also then do sudo mkdir /media/cdrom1
[08:09] <genii> etc etc
[08:10] <genii> However if currently you have no /dev/hdc entries I do not see that it will be able to mount it
[08:11] <morghanphoenix> hdc is under dev
[08:11] <morghanphoenix> it just says not there when I try to ls it's contents
[08:11] <genii> morghanphoenix OK, good :)
[08:11] <morghanphoenix> rebooting now, I'll let you know if it worked.
[08:12] <genii> you can't normally ls an umounted block device btw
[08:12] <genii> perhaps proc
[08:12] <stdin> genii: you remember my hda to sda issue?
[08:12] <genii> stdin yes indeed
[08:13] <stdin> hda is back now, but hdc is now scd0
[08:13] <stdin> strange :p
[08:13] <genii> stdin It looks like they are messing with the IDE/SATA/USB subsystem
[08:13] <genii> Everything should just get mapped to sdX
[08:14] <genii> Use some geric SCSI layer for all LOL
[08:14] <genii> *generic*
[08:14] <stdin> yeah, I think I remember reading something about it in the kernel changelog, it's just gonna confuse some people
[08:15] <genii> interestingly scd0 is *old* name for scsi CD
[08:16] <genii> morghanphoenix Any joy?
[08:16] <stdin> at least cdrecord won't complain about not using a scsi device now
[08:16] <morghanphoenix> not yet, just logged back in, waiting for all my session stuff to load.
[08:16] <john1987> i have a hardware related question
[08:16] <john1987> i have 3*128mb sdram
[08:17] <john1987> 2 of them are pc133 and one is pc100
[08:17] <genii> not good to mix different bus speed sdram john1987
[08:18] <morghanphoenix> No, same result
[08:18] <morghanphoenix> can I manually mount to DVD drive?
[08:18] <genii> morghanphoenix Put a DVD in then try CLI mount
[08:18] <john1987> it sims to work
[08:19] <genii> morghanphoenix Yes, in your case mount /media/cdrom1   should suffice
[08:19] <genii> john1987 So your question regarding this mixed type ram would be... ?
[08:19] <john1987> when i placed the one with pc100 on dim0 it failled to boot the kernel
[08:19] <john1987> yes
[08:19] <morghanphoenix> no medium found
[08:20] <genii> john1987 Well that makes sense because: pc100 cannot do 133 bus speed. So it is failing although not every time in a noticeable or miserable fashion
[08:20] <Ashex> What's the fstab line for mounting a ntfs volume?
[08:21] <morghanphoenix> This is really annoying, the drive is working for CDs, why not for DVDs!
[08:21] <genii> john1987 To actually see the memory failing you can rum memtest from the grub choices at boot
[08:21] <stdin> Ashex: something like: /dev/hda1        /media/windows   ntfs auto,ro 0 0
[08:21] <john1987> i did it
[08:22] <john1987> and nothig wrong
[08:22] <genii> morghanphoenix It is conceivable that only the DVD laser in the drive is kaput
[08:22] <snowrichard> hi'
[08:22] <john1987> all are using 100 bus speed
[08:23] <stdin> morghanphoenix: ls /dev/hdc shows what?
[08:24] <morghanphoenix>  /dev/hdc
[08:24] <genii> john1987 That hopefully should be what bios does, revert to lowest speed ram it finds. If your slots are in such a way that you need to match ram sticks, you should match the 2 133 sticks and then if you must have the 100 in there put it as a single in another slot
[08:25] <stdin> morghanphoenix: so what dose mount say when you try and mount a DVD with "mount /dev/hdc" ?
[08:25] <morghanphoenix> mount: No medium found
[08:25] <Ashex> stdin, it doesn't appear to be working for me
[08:25] <morghanphoenix> the light is on, but nobody's home
[08:25] <genii> morghanphoenix If you put one of the previous DVD that played fine before does it see THAT?
[08:26] <stdin> morghanphoenix: and there is a filesystem on the disk (not blank)?
[08:26] <Ashex> stdin, I'm getting a permissions error when I try to open it
[08:26] <Ashex> and an insufficient access error when trying to change permissions as root
[08:26] <genii> stdin He said it was a last part of some movie series etc so it should have data
[08:27] <stdin> yeah, likely to be the laser then
[08:27] <stdin> Ashex: where is it mounted to? /media/windows ?
[08:27] <genii> If some previous DVD that you watched in there does not load I'd say also the DVD laser
[08:27] <Ashex> stdin, /media/Porta
[08:28] <stdin> Ashex: what's the output of 'ls -ld /media/Porta' ?
[08:28] <genii> ls -ld /media/Porta/*
[08:28] <stdin> morghanphoenix: so you have 1 CD drive and 1 DVD drive?
[08:28] <Ashex> dr-x------ 1 root root 16384 2006-12-05 18:13 /media/Porta
[08:28] <stdin> genii: no '*' at the end :p
[08:29] <genii> just -ld will just show that Porta exists, not contents
[08:29] <genii> Although those are fairly tight perms on that dir
[08:29] <stdin> genii: I just wanted the permissions of the directory :)
[08:30] <stdin> so you need a umask option in fstab
[08:30] <genii> stdin LOL All's well then :)
[08:30] <morghanphoenix> it froze up and I had to hard reboot it
[08:30] <stdin> would umask=0000 in fstab fix the permissions, if you know genii  :p ?
[08:30] <premier> hey, Im using a power manager for the first time
[08:31] <genii> morghanphoenix  When putting in a DVD from before that worked?
[08:31] <morghanphoenix> yup
[08:31] <premier> Even though Ive been using this computer unpluged for about an hour, It still says fully charged
[08:31] <genii> morghanphoenix  I'd say drive is gone then
[08:31] <genii> stdin umask for what?
[08:31] <morghanphoenix> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[08:32] <morghanphoenix> I just bought it!
[08:32] <morghanphoenix> I'm mad now.
[08:32] <stdin> genii: in the fsrab line
[08:32] <stdin> *fstab
[08:32] <Ashex> stdin, I set umask=022, works for me
[08:32] <stdin> Ashex: just remember you can't write to ntfs :)
[08:32] <genii> Ashex who do you want to allow access to there?
[08:33] <Ashex> genii, It was set as root only, I want to access it as a regular user
[08:33] <Ashex> I have all my movies and what not on that partition (from way back in my days of windows
[08:33] <morghanphoenix> Okay, so I'm showing it in my wife's windows box to test it there, if it doesn't work I'm going back where I got it tomorrow and pitching a fit.
[08:33] <genii> then 0755 should be good for most things
[08:33] <morghanphoenix> Powering off to remove the offending article
[08:34] <stdin> if you are the only user, you could use "uid=(your user name)" too
[08:34] <Ashex> genii, what's 0755?
[08:34] <Ashex> stdin, there are two users on my box
[08:34] <||arifaX> I have to echo value 1833000 into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq during boot so I created a script and placed it in /etc/init.d . I don't know which runlevel to select. It seems, when my script runs, the file scaling_max_freq seems to get updated frequently by another daemon any ideas?
[08:35] <stdin> Ashex: then umask 0022 whould work
[08:35] <stdin> or 0222
[08:35] <genii> 7=owner has full read/write  5=anone else can execute and read but not write
[08:36] <Ashex> ah, gotcha
[08:36] <genii> oh hangon forgot about that stupid Xor or whatever for the umask :P
[08:36] <Ashex> hookay, if I only want read access, just add ro to the options in fstab?
[08:36] <stdin> genii: umask take permissions from 777 so 0755 would change permissions to 022 (i think)
[08:36] <genii> Yeah that sounds correct
[08:37] <stdin> so a umask of 0022 or 0022 would mean 755 (or 555 because it's read only)
[08:37] <genii> Ashex yes, ro will mount it readonly
[08:37] <stdin> *or 0222
[08:38] <Ashex> okay, sweet
[08:38] <Ashex> thanks guys
[08:38] <stdin> :)
[08:38] <Valmarko> somebody teel what is the text editor used in KDE?
[08:38] <stdin> Valmarko: kate
[08:38] <Valmarko> tanks
[08:38] <genii> Valmarko there are a few but most common is kwrite or kate
[08:39] <stdin> kate is default (in kubuntu)
[08:39] <Valmarko> I want to edit a file. maybe : sudo kate <file> ?
[08:39] <genii> Valmarko kdesu kate
[08:39] <Valmarko> tank you
[08:40] <genii> np
[08:40] <stdin> but only if you don't own the file you need kdesu
[08:40] <genii> ^what stdin sez
[08:40] <genii> LOL
[08:40] <genii> He put "sudo" there so I figured whatever the equiv
[08:41] <stdin> genii, you know better than to assume :p
[08:41] <genii> yeah yeah I've had the lecture: Assume- it makes an Ass out of U and Me
[08:41] <genii> ROFL
[08:42] <stdin> no, just makes an ass out of you :p
[08:44] <genii> Anyone using preseed files for automated installs?
[08:44] <Valmarko> I cant figure out a way to make flash working with konqueror. I'v already installed flasplugin-nonfree and did a scan. Nothing. Someone help me?
[08:45] <morghanphoenix> Okay, so I've given up on the DVD-ROM
[08:45] <genii> morghanphoenix So it craps out on windoze too?
[08:45] <morghanphoenix> Anything special you need to do to go from and nvidia card to an ati one?
[08:45] <morghanphoenix> no, it's stuck in the drive bay
[08:45] <morghanphoenix> lol
[08:45] <genii> LOL
[08:46] <morghanphoenix> !ati
[08:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <genii> morghanphoenix Well, ATI can be a pita due to the stupid ATI supplied binaries of fglrx
[08:46] <morghanphoenix> That's the thing to install them, but do I need to uninstall the nvidia ones first?
[08:46] <Valmarko> I need to have unconditional access to all the file system. What do I have to do to be root ?
[08:47] <morghanphoenix> The ATi is twice as good as the nvidia card though, so I'm gonna try
[08:48] <genii> morghanphoenix Well the prudent thing would be to put vesa as the driver in xorg.conf so it works with either, then put in the ATI, set it up to do the fglrx and so on
[08:48] <noiesmo> Valmarko, sudo -i
[08:48] <Valmarko> tanks
[08:48] <stdin> Valmarko: to use konqueror as root, use: kdesu konqueror
[08:49] <genii> the term "unconditional access to all the file system" makes me cringe somewhat
[08:49] <Valmarko> :) tanks
[08:49] <Valmarko> i just need to move a file from one place to the other :)
[08:50] <Valmarko> I'm a newbie
[08:50] <genii> stdin Then use stdin's method with konqueror
[08:50] <genii> arg
[08:50] <stdin> ahh, sudo cp /path/to/file /path/to/copy/file/to
[08:50] <genii> Valmarko Then use stdin's method with konqueror
[08:51] <stdin> konqueror would be easier than the command line tho
[08:51] <Valmarko> oh, alright :) tanks you
[08:51] <genii> If you like typing then the last suggestion LOL
[08:52] <jason> Anyone know a good video editor that will work with MOV files?
[08:52] <stdin> I'm tempted to do: 'sudo mkdir -p /path/to'  just for fun :p
[08:52] <genii> heh
[08:52] <genii> !mov
[08:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mov - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <genii> bah
[08:53] <stdin> mov = quicktime?
[08:53] <jason> I dont know, lol:p but its the format my didgital camera records to
[08:54] <stdin> file extentions are so ambiguous
[08:54] <genii> yeah mov = proprietary crap
[08:54] <stdin> apple = the forbidden fruit :p
[08:55] <stdin> jason: umm, I can't say I know of one
[08:55] <genii> I'm lookin into it
[08:55] <jason> lol, ok thanks anyway.
[08:56] <genii> You may need to convert it from mov to something open first
[08:56] <stdin> too late genii
[08:56] <Valmarko> Dam!! Konqueror cant use flash vers 9 (beta). I did a scan, it's included but... nothing! someone help me?
[08:56] <morghanphoenix> WTF is this? Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[08:57] <john1987> for linux flash 7:D
[08:57] <stdin> morghanphoenix: don't run a GUI app as root with sudo, use kdesu
[08:57] <john1987> flash 9 for win and mac
[08:57] <morghanphoenix> that's from: glxinfo |grep
[08:57] <genii> stdin Bleh my googling just got interesting too
[08:57] <Valmarko> where is flash 7?
[08:58] <Valmarko> where is located flash 7?
[08:58] <stdin> Valmarko: flash7 is in the package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:58] <genii> Did you swap the nvidia for the ati then?
[08:58] <freeride> how do you rebuild your system with an image?
[08:58] <stdin> unless you add the backports repository, then it's flash9
[08:58] <Valmarko> it's the one i'm using (??)
[08:58] <john1987> i never managed to install flash-nonfree from deb:P
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> not yet, the how-to told me to run that first to chect my card
[08:58] <stdin> freeride: see 'man dd'
[08:58] <lovloss> Is there any application out there that can help me rip stuff off of my data cds that isn't copying off right? They're old disks and the file transfers act screwy
[08:59] <morghanphoenix> Ack, and it says I need a 9500 or higher, this is a radeon 7000
[08:59] <Valmarko> if it's 7 it should work...
[08:59] <stdin> Valmarko: do this in konsole: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[08:59] <Valmarko> I activated the backports :)
[08:59] <morghanphoenix> where do I find the driver for the radeon 7000
[08:59] <Valmarko> Its 9
[09:00] <genii> morghanphoenix For 7500 series just use the ati driver works great :) My AIW chugs along
[09:00] <john1987> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/
[09:00] <john1987> for Valmarko
[09:00] <Valmarko> john1987 , tank you
[09:01] <john1987> install it to /usr/lib/mozilla(the default)
[09:01] <stdin> Valmarko: if you install from adobe, make sure you remove the flashplugin-nonfree package first, to avoid conflicts
[09:01] <Valmarko> what about now. should I uninstall vers 9 first?
[09:01] <Valmarko> tank you, stdin
[09:01] <genii> morghanphoenix Or just use the driver "radeon"
[09:01] <john1987> it is in konqueror search path for plugins
[09:01] <morghanphoenix> will that enable direct rendering?
[09:02] <genii> morghanphoenix I think there is some specific issue with 3D GL but otherwise all the 2D GL = perfect
[09:03] <john1987> Valmarko i sugest you install firefox too
[09:03] <stdin> morghanphoenix: just took another look at the error, do you have the line 'Load    "glx"' in the "Module" section of xorg.conf ?
[09:03] <john1987> konqueror freezes on some pages
[09:03] <morghanphoenix> wow, I didn't have build essential installed on the fresh
[09:03] <morghanphoenix> yes
[09:03] <genii> stdin He has now an nvidia but wants to install his ATI 7000
[09:04] <stdin> genii: ahh, I should really read *before* I type :p
[09:04] <Valmarko> I already have firefox. version 9 is working with it
[09:04] <Valmarko> I just wanted to be sure It could happen as well with konqueror
[09:05] <genii> morghanphoenix if you do modprobe -l radeon     any result?
[09:05] <stdin> I have v9 in konqueror, so it should work
[09:05] <Valmarko> ??
[09:05] <Valmarko> now i'm confused
[09:05] <john1987> there is no flash 9 for mozilla firefox for linux
[09:05] <morghanphoenix>  /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko
[09:06] <genii> morghanphoenix Good. No installing anything needed
[09:06] <Valmarko> I installed flash with flashplugin-nonfree and i was activated in firefox...
[09:06] <john1987> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/plugins/
[09:06] <stdin> john1987: yes there is, I have flashplugin-nonfree version 9.0.21.78.4ubuntu1
[09:06] <morghanphoenix> Syntax for the xorg config utility? My brain is shot tonight.
[09:07] <Jucato> !xconfig
[09:07] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[09:07] <genii> morghanphoenix For video driver name look under Device Section
[09:07] <morghanphoenix> and it asks for the k size of my memory, all I know is 128MB
[09:07] <genii> morghanphoenix exact size is 1024x128
[09:07] <stdin> morghanphoenix: you don't need to enter it
[09:08] <Valmarko> stdin, Why isnt it working since i've 9 as well?
[09:08] <stdin> morghanphoenix: it's only for intergrated chips
[09:08] <genii> morghanphoenix if you comment out the videoram line should be no issue
[09:09] <stdin> Valmarko: in konqueror, go to Settings -> configure konqueror -> plugins
[09:09] <morghanphoenix> so it's 131072K, just to be on the safe side.
[09:10] <stdin> Valmarko: make sure you have /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins in the list
[09:10] <Valmarko> ok
[09:10] <genii> I would suggest switch driver to vesa, not directly to radeon. then do the dpkg -rreconfigure xserver-xorg  then power down, swap card. Power up. Re-edit xorg.conf for driver "radeon"  then reconfigure again etc
[09:11] <morghanphoenix> 1024x128=131072, that's what you meant, right? Or did I misunderstand?
[09:11] <genii> yes 131072
[09:11] <stdin> Valmarko: and on the plugins tab, you should see something like "Plugin /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[09:11] <Valmarko> umm... its located in other directory.
[09:12] <stdin> Valmarko: as long as you see libflashplayer.so
[09:12] <morghanphoenix> why doesn't it give me options for higher resolution that 1920x1440?
[09:12] <morghanphoenix> I know the card and monitor both support higher resolutions
[09:12] <stdin> Valmarko: what directory is it in?
[09:13] <Valmarko> just a sec
[09:13] <genii> morghanphoenix You can manually specify any resolution you desire if your vidcard + monitor supprt it
[09:13] <genii> morghanphoenix Howver, if you are going to vesa first, use some safe res. Like 1024x768
[09:14] <genii> then change it afterwards
[09:14] <Valmarko> directory is : tmp/flash9/... the file
[09:14] <morghanphoenix> be back in a sec, restarting X
[09:15] <Valmarko> if I give the full path could you write here the the complete sentence necessary to move the file to the other path?
[09:15] <stdin> Valmarko: yeah
[09:15] <Valmarko> tanks . just a sec
[09:16] <Valmarko> tmp/flash9/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.78/libflashplayer.so
[09:17] <freeride> my system keeps locking up
[09:17] <stdin> Valmarko: sudo cp /tmp/flash9/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.78/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[09:18] <freeride> I'm very unhappy right now
[09:18] <freeride> my system keeps locking up
[09:18] <Valmarko> tanks a lot , stdin :)
[09:18] <freeride> why would it do that?
[09:18] <stdin> :)
[09:18] <genii> freeride What was the last change you made?
[09:18] <freeride> well, it locked up the first time a couple of days ago
[09:19] <freeride> so I dont really remember, could superkaramba cause it to crash?
[09:19] <freeride> I thought linux was oh so super stable
[09:19] <genii> freeride OK, what was the last change you made before a couple of days ago?
[09:19] <freeride> thats some bs
[09:19] <freeride> I've made a lot of changes since I installed this system about 4 or 5 days ago
[09:20] <freeride> superkaramba is one that I can think of
[09:20] <stdin> freeride: it's not bs, there is some problem there, this computer has been running for 12 days, 17 hours 55 mins
[09:20] <genii> superkaramba = dev So if you don't want stability don't use dev apps LOL
[09:20] <genii> if you want stability, rather, don't use dev apps
[09:20] <freeride> what are dev aps?
[09:21] <genii> freeride If ever you see the listings of possible apps to install and the extension on them is  packagenamehere-dev
[09:21] <freeride> what does it mean though?
[09:21] <freeride> !botsnack
[09:21] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:21] <genii> freeride the *-dev* part means it is a Developmental version
[09:22] <freeride> is superkaramba a developmental software?
[09:22] <genii> eg: not a *release* or stable version
[09:22] <freeride> I'll leave superkaramba down for a while and see if it ever crashes again
[09:23] <freeride> that just sucks though
[09:23] <Valmarko> stdin. Nothing to do :( tanks anyway. Maybe it just works with 7
[09:24] <word> how well does linux/kubuntu use dual-core? thinking of upgrading..
[09:24] <stdin> Valmarko: it should work with version 7, there is a help page here you should look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[09:24] <Valmarko> tanks, stdin
[09:25] <stdin> word: linux/kubuntu works perfectly with dual-core
[09:25] <stdin> no problam Valmarko
[09:25] <genii> word It works fine with a Core 2 Duo system i have at home
[09:26] <word> genii: do you notice the difference compared to a single-core?
[09:26] <stdin> the default ubuntu kernels are SMP, so it'll work fine
[09:26] <genii> word Well it seems snappy if thats what you mean :)
[09:27] <word> stdin does ubuntu care when you switch mobos?
[09:27] <genii> I hardly ever see any cpu load over 50% on the first cpu
[09:27] <stdin> word: not really, no
[09:27] <genii> word Well, if you are going from some different architechture yes. But i386-i386  or amd-amd is fine
[09:28] <stdin> word: you could take out your HDD and put it in a completely different PC, and it will work fine :p
[09:28] <genii> eg amd64 kernel then put in some intel mobo = bad
[09:28] <word> genii going from amd athlon xp 2900 to a intel dual core pent d :-/
[09:28] <stdin> that's why live CD work
[09:29] <word> thought that's why the live cd takes longer to boot up lol ;p
[09:29] <stdin> but x86 kernel on a 64bit cpu should work
[09:29] <genii> stdin yes, the other way works OK
[09:29] <word> just won't be as ..made for it..right?
[09:29] <stdin> word: that's because it's a CD, and not as fast as a HDD
[09:30] <word> is there a way to get the 64 bit kernel / whatever else comes in the 64 bit install without re-installing?
[09:30] <genii> Interesting, Xal's url seems to be some perl script
[09:31] <genii> word Yes, you can switch the kernel byt using the package manager to install whatever one you like
[09:31] <word> genii: is the kernel the only thing different between the two installs?
[09:31] <stdin> genii: don't you need the x64 repositories for the 64bit kernel tho?
[09:32] <genii> word The kernel has modules and other stuff specific to it but when you install akernel by package manager it doees all that as well
[09:32] <word> neat
[09:33] <genii> stdin Yes, you need to put the amd64 repos in sources.list
[09:33] <genii> no wait
[09:33] <stdin> think genii  :p
[09:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> yay now i'm on xchat instead of konversation =)
[09:33] <genii> stdin I just checked my local mirror and ALL kernels are under their generic dist names.
[09:34] <stdin> ahh, ok
[09:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> 
[09:34] <seven11> anyone a idea why my usbstick starts the autostart but if i tell him to open nothing happens
[09:34] <genii> So you can install any kernel from any architecture
[09:34] <genii> It just may or may not run LOL
[09:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> wow i already like xchat better than konversation
[09:34] <word> I don't :-/
[09:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> test, to see if i'm actually typing in this channel, could u reply if u see this msg? thx
[09:36] <stdin> genii: how would you tell apt to grab the right one, like linux-image-2.6.20-4-generic_2.6.20-4.6_amd64.deb instrad of linux-image-2.6.20-4-generic_2.6.20-4.6_i386.deb ?
[09:36] <stdin> *instead
[09:36] <genii> stdin Yeah ii think that would be correct
[09:37] <genii> stdin 1 minute wanna see something
[09:38] <S-Angeli> is anybody capable to tell me how to allow on my lan my imac pc to connect to my kubuntu and retreave files I have?
[09:39] <genii> stdin heh funny. I think the trick would be to specify ARCH somehow in env
[09:39] <genii> so it won't auto want to go to i386-installer    etc etc'
[09:39] <genii> isn't imac pc an oxymoron?
[09:40] <word> Balsamic_Chicken: yeh...
[09:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx
[09:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> can xchat be used for instant messenging like aim?
[09:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> sorry i'll ask in offtopic channel
[09:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> i never actually used offtopic channel before, hmm
[09:41] <stdin> S-Angeli: I think you can get samba in mac
[09:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> !samba
[09:42] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:42] <S-Angeli> stdin, I need file transfer from my linux to my mac and not viceversa
[09:42] <S-Angeli> can I avoid installing samba on my mac?
[09:42] <S-Angeli> I believe what I do not know is how to set my saba up in kubuntu and make it ready for file sharing
[09:43] <stdin> S-Angeli: if you can get ssh on mac, then you can use that, or ftp
[09:43] <S-Angeli> I do not see any samba icon in my k menu as well
[09:43] <S-Angeli> I wish if possible to use a gui for file transfer. I can also consider ssh too. not bad idea
[09:43] <genii> stdin If you want to apt-get install a amd64 kernel on an system booted to some i386 kernel you make an apt.conf which specifies amd64 architecture. Then a switch in apt-get to use that conf
[09:44] <genii> stdin man apt.conf makes for interesting reading
[09:45] <stdin> don't ya just love the man command :p
[09:45] <genii> Yup :)
[09:45] <S-Angeli> sure
[09:46] <genii> S-
[09:46] <genii> arg
[09:47] <Jucato> if you love the man command, then you'll love the man:/ kioslave...
[09:47] <stdin> I just love all kioslaves :D
[09:47] <S-Angeli> stdin, how to enable ssh on kubuntu?
[09:48] <Jucato> install "ssh"?
[09:48] <stdin> S-Angeli: just install the 'ssh' package
[09:48] <genii> S-Angeli samba generally runs in the background and then you go to whatever directory you mounted a smbfs to
[09:48] <stdin> genii: or cifs
[09:48] <S-Angeli> how to get the gui for samba?
[09:49] <stdin> S-Angeli: it's in system settings
[09:49] <stdin> under Sharing  (or similar)
[09:49] <genii> What I'm trying to tell you is that the gui for samba is whatever your file browser is
[09:50] <Jucato> smb:// in Konqueror
[09:50] <S-Angeli> I see
[09:50] <stdin> to set up the shares you use system settings, to browse/copy files, use Konqueror
[09:52] <genii> OK since I'm still damp I may as well go for another coffeerun sans umbrella
[09:52] <Jucato> don't get yourself sick
[09:52] <genii> Jucato We have socialised healthcare here in Canada ROFL
[09:52] <Jucato> hah!
[09:53] <genii> Jucato Anyhow it's not that far and I'm *REALLY* caffeine deficient atm
[09:54] <genii> Back soon :)
[09:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> ah now i can see userlist in xchat lol
[09:55] <unix_infidel> genii: you ever get that nslug nas up?
[10:10] <genii> unix_infidel I did not end up using the nslug thing but found another suitable solution
[10:11] <Destin> bonjour
[10:14] <ikhouvanje> hai guys
[10:14] <ikhouvanje> i have a question how can i download klatin in dutch?
[10:14] <ikhouvanje> For ubuntu
[10:14] <Balsamic_Chicken> !xchat
[10:14] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[10:15] <genii> !klatin
[10:15] <ubotu> klatin: application to help revise/teach Latin. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 239 kB, installed size 916 kB
[10:16] <genii> Interesting
[10:17] <ikhouvanje> yes but is there any dutch version available?
[10:19] <ikhouvanje> vuile hoerenzoon van mijn kloten
[10:19] <ikhouvanje> i fret a up met goe wa mosterd en ketchup
[10:19] <ikhouvanje> magek a is goe wa aframmelen jan van men kloten?
[10:20] <ikhouvanje> Dag hitlerneukers ga snel olle ma beffen
[10:20] <ikhouvanje> komaan
[10:20] <genii> ikhouvanje I am looking at the home page for it and I still could not say. You may have better luck finding out in the dutch channel, if one exists
[10:20] <ikhouvanje> ok
[10:20] <ikhouvanje> bye
[10:21] <genii> !nl
[10:21] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[10:21] <genii> hmm too late
[10:22] <genii> hitlerneukers seems somewhat obscene somehow tho i have absolutely no idea what it means
[10:25] <crav> I am a total linux newbie (new tonight) with a problem, anyone care to help?
[10:25] <genii> !ask
[10:25] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:26] <crav> I just installed on my laptop (hp dv8305us) everything works fine, but I have no net at all.
[10:26] <genii> crav Offhand do you know the model of the wireless adapter in it?
[10:28] <crav> chekcing...
[10:28] <pointwood> anyone know about digikam 0.9 on kubuntu?
[10:29] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there another IM tool available besides kopete, amsn, and gaim that can be used for chatting in different platforms at the same time
[10:30] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken starting a collection? ;)
[10:30] <jaxon> i have a usb touch pad which i use for writing chinese on windows xp but if manufacturer has no support for linux ..does that mean it useless cos it even funtion as a usb touch pad?
[10:31] <chattolino> #olbia
[10:31] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii no, i just don't like kopete cuz it can't display some characters sometimes, amsn looks plain ugly, and gaim, i don't really know my way around it yet lol
[10:31] <jaxon> i mean it cant even funtion as a normal usb touch pad but device manager does recognise something ..thz
[10:31] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: maybe ayttm, centericq and sim
[10:32] <stdin> (just searched apt-cache, haven't uses any of them)
[10:33] <genii> crav From what I can tell that laptop has no wireless card .... do you have it physically plugged into a hub or router or something?
[10:33] <genii> There may still be licq
[10:34] <crav> genni sorry it took so long, all i can get is broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN
[10:34] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Which protocols do you need? eg: MSN, Yahoo and so on
[10:35] <genii> crav Ah, OK. Your wireless adapter is known to have issues. There is a fix but i may need time to look it up
[10:35] <crav> genni thank you so much, being so new, I don't even know the right places to look
[10:36] <genii> crav Which version of kubuntu are you using? Dapper,Edgy ?
[10:36] <xamixam> hi
[10:37] <crav> genni edgy
[10:38] <genii> crav OK. At any rate, here is a link to get you started: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[10:40] <xamixam> lol
[10:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii sorry i was busy in beryl channel figuring out skydome lol, but i use msn, yahoo, and aim =)
[10:45] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Well, I really love gaim for all those. Plus some others like irc and icq. I use both the win32 version and the linux version
[10:46] <genii>  Anyone know if gaim 2 in repos yet?
[10:46] <lupine_85> !info gaim edgy
[10:46] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB
[10:47] <lupine_85> !info gaim feisty
[10:47] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta5-9ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1632 kB, installed size 4592 kB
[10:47] <lupine_85> do they count?
[10:47] <xamixam> *freutz*
[10:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii maybe i'll try gaim 2 =)
[10:47] <Kim^J> !info kopete feisty
[10:47] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 6784 kB, installed size 18820 kB
[10:47] <Kim^J> !info feisty
[10:47] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Are you running Feisty?
[10:47] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in any distro I know
[10:48] <Kim^J> !feisty
[10:48] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[10:48] <genii> !feisty
[10:48] <Kim^J> !warty
[10:48] <ubotu> warty was the first release of Ubuntu. Version 4.10, codename "Warty Warthog"
[10:48] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii no i'm running edgy
[10:48] <Kim^J> !hoary
[10:48] <ubotu> hoary was the second release of Ubuntu. Version 5.04, codename "Hoary Hedgehog"
[10:49] <Balsamic_Chicken> genii i didn't want to start feisty yet cuz if i see problems i likely won't know how to solve it lol
[10:49] <Kim^J> !brezzy
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brezzy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:49] <Kim^J> !breezy
[10:49] <ubotu> breezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger"
[10:49] <Kim^J> !slackware
[10:49] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[10:49] <Balsamic_Chicken> is feisty pretty stable
[10:49] <Balsamic_Chicken> !APT
[10:49] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:49] <Kim^J> !slackware = BEST!
[10:49] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Ask stdin, he's running the latest  :)
[10:49] <Balsamic_Chicken> feisty?
[10:50] <genii> Balsamic_Chicken Yup
[10:50] <stdin> yep, feisty is pretty stable :)
[10:50] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool
[10:50] <Balsamic_Chicken> is beryl included with it yet
[10:50] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: no, you still have to add the repo for it
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> actually i prolly get tired of beryl within the week, then i can switch to another os w/o feeling the need to reinstall beryl hehe
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> o cool
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> why
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> why would u have to compile it daily
[10:51] <chuen> Hi. Has anyone got any tips for getting my iPod working in Kubuntu?
[10:51] <stdin> because I get the latest source from svn, and run that
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> ic
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> nice
[10:51] <stdin> it is :)
[10:51] <its_me_gb_> ^latest features / bug fixes
[10:51] <stdin> !ipod | chuen
[10:51] <ubotu> chuen: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[10:52] <chuen> thx ubotu
[10:53] <Jucato> !ubotu
[10:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:53] <genii> btw Yay to our (Canada) Junior Hockey team (it was overall a good series)
[10:55] <genii> !eggdrop
[10:55] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.17-3 (edgy), package size 459 kB, installed size 1144 kB
[10:55] <genii> It would be extremely cool to be able to apt-get install ubotu
[10:56] <Jucato> hah
[10:56] <Jucato> apt-cache search <package> :P
[10:56] <genii> Jucato ROFL I already did look but he is not there
[10:56] <Jucato> or you can alias ubotu='apt-cache search'
[10:57] <genii> Jucato I have an irc server too but it has the eggdrop bot there atm
[10:57] <Jucato> ah
[10:57] <Jucato> I meant that !<package> here == "apt-cache search <package>" locally
[11:00] <genii> interesting, CGI:IRC
[11:00] <dainius> fhh
[11:01] <crav_> ya, that computer has issues and i had to go through http
[11:03] <genii> crav_ Getting anywhere with the wireless issue?
[11:04] <crav_> genii: i underrstand the instructions on the link, but when i get to the first line, i get an error "Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils"
[11:05] <genii> crav_ Since this is a new install you should likely first do:   sudo apt-get update
[11:06] <genii> crav_ Then your box will have a current list of stuff it can install
[11:06] <crav_> genii: ah, that worked nicely
[11:10] <genii> crav_ If now you do:  sudo apt-cache search ndiswrapper-utils    is there some result?
[11:11] <crav_> genii: yes, right now i'm on the forth line of that third instruction
[11:11] <genii> crav_ :)
[11:13] <crav_> genii: i'm getting error: "bash: $confile: ambiguous redirect"
[11:14] <genii> Ambiguous redirect?? wtf
[11:14] <ruschi> Hi there. small problem or minor annoyance
[11:14] <genii> crav_ On the "modprobe" command?
[11:15] <ruschi> konqueror doesn't show all directories in / anymore - why that?
[11:15] <stdin> !hidden | ruschi
[11:15] <ubotu> ruschi: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[11:15] <ruschi> I just see /media /files and /home - but I want ot see all
[11:15] <ruschi> ok I ll read the FAQ
[11:15] <freakabcd> hi all..
[11:15] <stdin> yep, its a "feature" :p
[11:16] <freakabcd> i'm upgrading from dapper -> edgy
[11:16] <xst> In /etc/fstab I have added "noauto" as mount option but still, the mount point is beeing mounted automatically upon boot. Why? And how can I fix it?
[11:16] <freakabcd> and i have all the daappers replaced to edgy in my sources list
[11:16] <stdin> xst: can you post the line from fstab?
[11:16] <freakabcd> but i noticed there wasn;t one source entry  specifically for kubuntu
[11:16] <freakabcd> is kubuntu in universe/multiverse/main/restricted?
[11:16] <freakabcd> cos i want to have my kde ionstallation updated as well
[11:17] <genii> main
[11:17] <freakabcd> ok. so i don;t need to have a special repo for kubuntu. thanks
[11:17] <genii> np
[11:17] <ruschi> cool - thanks alot
[11:18] <stdin> btw, that feature won't be in feisty (the next version of kubuntu)
[11:18] <genii> crav_ Still here?
[11:19] <ruschi> I like it now that I understand it
[11:19] <ruschi> does this .hidden work with every directory?
[11:19] <stdin> ruschi: don't know, but I think so
[11:19] <crav_> genii: i think i've got it. i have to reboot
[11:19] <ruschi> cool - it does!
[11:20] <genii> crav_ OK, I'll be here if there is some issue
[11:22] <genii> Anyone have an idea why every second boot my eth1is refusing to accept being a dhcp server?
[11:22] <genii> It's annoying
[11:23] <stdin> maybe it just don't like you?
[11:23] <genii> stdin Probably LOL
[11:24] <lovloss> kde is fun =)
[11:25] <genii> stdin Whats really annoying is i have an eth1 static  declaration in /etc/network/interfaces with all correct stuff, as well as loading the driver in /etc/modules and still no joy
[11:26] <genii> Anyhow looks like some weird toggling effect is happening someplace
[11:27] <stdin> the time I had a dhcp server, reboots did nothing to it
[11:28] <genii> Maybe I should swap dhcp server to eth0 and put internet on eth1
[11:28] <stdin> that was the config I had anyway
[11:29] <stdin> eth0 for lan, eth1 for inet
[11:29] <genii> stdin Usually i like primary nic to be internet
[11:29] <stdin> well I only have 1 nic, eth1 is usb :p
[11:30] <crav> genii: i skimmed over another guide on the subject, apparently the first left out something quite important, i'll keep you informed
[11:31] <eMaX> hi all
[11:31] <genii> stdin What else is sort of intriguing is that when I put an eth2 with a separate dhcp pool to assign, eth2 would only setup properly avery *4th* boot
[11:31] <genii> crav Good, I am certain you are on the right track. Likely you need the firmware cutter stuff
[11:32] <stdin> something strange going on there genii
[11:32] <eMaX> why is it that when I have three wlan A-B-C repeaters and two laptops, X and Y where X connects to A and Y connects to B, both X and Y can ping A, B and also C, but X cannot ping Y and vice versa?
[11:32] <genii> Yes strange and annoying
[11:33] <genii> I sort of wonder if eth3 would work properly every 8th boot
[11:34] <lupine_85> eMaX: are your route tables sane?
[11:34] <genii> eMaX Sounds like you need a default-routers entry
[11:36] <eMaX> genii I have the same subnet on all the repeaters (A=192.168.1.75, B=192.168.1.77, C=192.168.1.76) and the laptops (X=192.168.1.100, Y=192.168.1.201), same netmask, etc. the common gateway is 192.168.1.1 which sits behind C.
[11:36] <eMaX> all laptop can ping that gateway also.
[11:36] <eMaX> if both laptops are connected to the same repeater (A or B), they can ping each other
[11:37] <genii> eMaX Do the laptops understand that 192.168.1.1 is the intermediate hop to all the other things?
[11:37] <lupine_85> repeaters or routers?
[11:37] <eMaX> yes
[11:37] <lupine_85> no, they're routers
[11:37] <eMaX> both laptops can ping "outside world"
[11:37] <lupine_85> repeaters don't have IP addresses
[11:37] <eMaX> they have.
[11:37] <genii> lupine_85 right you are
[11:37] <lupine_85> so
[11:37] <genii> eMaX then they are not repeaters
[11:37] <lupine_85> why on earth are they all on the same subnet?
[11:37] <lupine_85> and why on earth do you have three routers for two PCs?
[11:38] <eMaX> they are configured as being repeaters and they work as such, as otherwise I'd never be able to ping the common gateway which is a pretty far away
[11:38] <lupine_85> they are not acting as repeaters
[11:38] <lupine_85> repeaters (aka. bridges) don't have IP addresses - they operate at the link layer
[11:38] <genii> repeater basically is a bridged connection
[11:38] <lupine_85> whereas a router is a different beast altogether
[11:38] <genii> What lupine just said
[11:38] <dope> is there a way to emulate windows within linux?
[11:38] <lupine_85> you need some /30s
[11:39] <dope> like how a mac can
[11:39] <genii> dope wine
[11:39] <dope> that'll emulate the whole OS?
[11:39] <lupine_85> dope: no
[11:39] <stdin> genii: Wine Is Not an Emulator
[11:39] <genii> dope no, but it will run a lot of win apps
[11:39] <eMaX> ok lets say that they are sold as being repeaters which may be common, not technical language, with the notion that they repeat (reinforce) the wlan signal
[11:39] <dope> well you know how the mac can run xp with parallels or something like that?
[11:39] <lupine_85> if you want emulation (of a sort), then you want vmware or qwmu
[11:40] <lupine_85> you can run windows inside either
[11:40] <genii> vmware, yes
[11:40] <dope> vmware will let me run xp within linux?
[11:40] <lupine_85> eMaX: marketing jargon does not change technical fact :D
[11:40] <stdin> dope: XEN, vmware and qemu can all run windows on linux
[11:40] <eMaX> ok agreed. now anyway how does that help with the problem.
[11:40] <dope> which one is best?
[11:40] <lupine_85> [10:39]  <lupine_85> you need some /30s
[11:40] <lupine_85> xen
[11:40] <lupine_85> but it's hardest to set up (of course)
[11:40] <dope> damn
[11:41] <dope> i want something simple
[11:41] <stdin> dope: depends, vmware is probably the easiest tho
[11:41] <eMaX> with /30s you mean me?
[11:41] <dope> vmware it is!
[11:41] <lupine_85> eMaX: a /30 is a subnet that has 2 usable IP addresses
[11:41] <eMaX> I have excellent experiences with vmware
[11:41] <stdin> !vmware-player | dope
[11:41] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (edgy), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[11:41] <dope> awesome thx
[11:41] <genii> eMaX the short answer to your situation is to add some entries to your routing tables which let the laptops know that to get to a certain IP they need to use some other IP as the intermediate hop
[11:41] <stdin> :)
[11:42] <lupine_85> each router should be in a /30 with it's upstream router, and in an appropriately-size subnet for it's downstream clients
[11:42] <lupine_85> (if any)
[11:42] <eMaX> ok I understand that
[11:42] <eMaX> why can the subnet not be just /24
[11:43] <eMaX> in fact the laptops are of course "roaming", i.e. both X and Y may connect to A or B depending on where they are carried
[11:43] <r794> Test, test
[11:44] <lupine_85> that's, erm, not really roaming. but yeah. your network setup is not right
[11:44] <eMaX> and both are happy by themselves when it comes to connecting to the outside world, whereever they are. only when they are trying to ping each other they need to be connected to the same "repeater"
[11:44] <genii> so point C = main hop out to inet?
[11:44] <eMaX> no C is another of those routers which is close to the actual dsl uplink, which is 192.168.1.1
[11:45] <loki_> herro
[11:45] <genii> so without majorly readjusting all the routers "repeaters" the simplest solution is still to add routes
[11:46] <tusharmahule> hello, can somebody solve some probs that i'm having with DDD
[11:46] <lupine_85> heh. it's not going to work
[11:46] <tusharmahule> why
[11:46] <dope> i don't see vmware
[11:46] <lupine_85> when the two clients are on two different "repeaters", how does the "repeater" client 1 is attached to know where to send the data from client 2?
[11:46] <eMaX> There is even a fourth router, D, which is further away than C. Think A-B-C-D where all are routers and a dsl modem M connected to C. whereevery I am, from each laptop I can ping A, B, C, D and M, right cross the whole building. when I have two Laptops both can ping any of those, but both can ping each other only if they are connected to the same router, i.e. A, B, C, D.
[11:46] <dope> oh nm
[11:46] <lupine_85> it doesn't. So it sends it to the default router
[11:47] <lupine_85> but then how does the default route know which repeater to send it to?
[11:47] <eMaX> inside the configuration of each router I configure which other one he shall "repeat"
[11:47] <genii> lupine since point C is the closest to actual x.x.1.1 then it becomes the last hop
[11:47] <JimDanger> Anyone know of a good video editor to just edit a portion of an AVI?
[11:47] <eMaX> C is connected to the Modem via an actual cat5.
[11:47] <genii> two routes added: route1 = A->C  route2= B->C
[11:48] <genii> if one fails it will fallthru to the other
[11:48] <stdin> dope: have you enabled the multiverse repository?
[11:48] <lupine_85> yeah, that's the default route where it sends all traffic. my point still stands
[11:48] <dope> i found it, it was vmware-player and not vmware, typo on my part
[11:48] <stdin> heh
[11:48] <stdin> ok
[11:49] <genii> eMaX is point C default gw x.x.1.1 ?
[11:49] <stdin> dope: something you may find useful http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml
[11:49] <eMaX> hmm I have no option to add routes to the "routers"
[11:49] <r794> test
[11:49] <lupine_85> it's a poorly-thought-out network architecture; the solution is simple. buy real (link layer) repeaters, or adjust your network
[11:49] <eMaX> yes
[11:49] <stdin> r794: yes, we can see you
[11:49] <lupine_85> eMaX: it doesn't much matter if you could. you can only have one default route
[11:50] <lupine_85> you'd need something like BGP, but that's major overkill - and your "repeaters" won't support it, I can bet you :p
[11:50] <genii> It occurs to me if they both can ping C anyhow you can just add C directly
[11:51] <lupine_85> genii: routes work on subnets...
[11:51] <Skunkwaffle> Hi everyone
[11:51] <lupine_85> no reason why s/he can't chop that /24 into multiple /30s though
[11:51] <eMaX> ok I just checked. all of them have the default gateway set to 192.168.1.1
[11:51] <genii> lupine_85 Weren't all his boxen of some 192.168.1.X variety including the routers' IPs?
[11:52] <eMaX> yes
[11:52] <lupine_85> yeah, afraid so
[11:52] <lupine_85> they're all on the same subnet, which is what's causing the problem
[11:52] <Skunkwaffle> Just about to make the Big Switch, from XP and I was wondering if anyone has any tips before I do.
[11:52] <lupine_85> Skunkwaffle: do it quickly! before the mind-control device reasserts itself
[11:53] <Skunkwaffle> ha ha lol
[11:53] <lupine_85> nah, it's easy stuff
[11:53] <crav_> Skunkwaffle: i'm mid switch, still having issues with laptop hardware, though
[11:53] <genii> Skunkwaffle Make a list of exactly what hardware you have inside then google something like "ubuntu <chipset or adapter name here>" or look at a hardware compatibility list
[11:53] <fairman> Hi, which IM supports bookmarks (such as Miranda)?
[11:54] <Skunkwaffle> really, is that necessary, I was just going to boot from the DVD and just see what works?
[11:54] <fairman> (within Gaim)
[11:54] <eMaX> I wonder why it is causing a problem. Should I put all routers (A, B, C, D) on a different subnet than the laptops X and Y and the Modem M? Then I'd have a setting like for one router IP 192.168.2.77, netmask 255.255.255.0, GW 192.168.1.1 and the laptops would have something like 192.168.1.x
[11:54] <Skunkwaffle> is that a mistake?
[11:54] <lupine_85> Skunkwaffle: that works fine too
[11:54] <genii> fairman In gaim 2 I have IRC rooms for instance saved
[11:54] <lupine_85> eMaX: each router (your repeaters are routers) should have two subnets
[11:55] <lupine_85> one upstream, one downstream
[11:55] <eMaX> I can configure only one
[11:55] <genii> eMaX have these intermediate router/repeater have any sort of setting to put them into a bridged mode??
[11:55] <lupine_85> ...
[11:55] <eMaX> well they have two modes
[11:55] <sleepy475> when you go afk how do I password my desktop
[11:55] <lupine_85> brain-damaged firmware?
[11:55] <eMaX> actually 4
[11:55] <genii> lupine_85 LOL
[11:56] <fairman> genii yes, i now, but i do not want GAIM, i want to try something else
[11:56] <lupine_85> take them back and ask for something that operates at the OSI link level
[11:56] <eMaX> "repeater", "access point", "ethernet adapter (infrastructure)", "ethernet adapter (ad hoc)"
[11:57] <genii> eMaX bleh. What is the exact make and model of these things, I may go RTFM
[11:57] <eMaX> ok
[11:58] <lupine_85> they're not being real repeaters if they have IP addresses, that's the problem
[11:58] <genii> lupine_85 I tend to agree. Perhaps he needs some meshap or equiv
[11:59] <blekos> if i use the "Keep BackupSystem" and choose as folder the "/" it means I'll have my whole system backed up
[11:59] <blekos> ?
[11:59] <Skunkwaffle> do you think there'll be any issues with my wireless internet connection?
[11:59] <lupine_85> Skunkwaffle: what chipset?
[11:59] <crav_> genii: i still haven't quite got my wireless to work. i think i'm gonna have one of my other kubuntu using friends take a look at it. in the mean time, i've got wired and windows a backups.
[11:59] <genii> If they are some Skunkwaffle If you have some Broadcom based wireless card yes
[12:00] <lupine_85> broadcom work fine most of the time
[12:00] <stdin> blekos: yes, but you'll have to run keep as root to do that
[12:00] <eMaX> Siemens Gigaset WLAN Repeater, no "model name". Serial number A415024687 of one of them. These are of 2004 btw so it won't be exactly easy to "take them back"
[12:00] <blekos> i c
[12:00] <genii> lupine_85 ^ see crav_ comment just above
[12:00] <lupine_85> heh
[12:00] <crav_> lupine_85: yes, i've not been having a fun time of it
[12:00] <lupine_85> takes some work at times, though
[12:01] <blekos> and if i reinstall ubuntu then i can just "unzip" the backup and everything will  be back to normal?
[12:01] <stdin> blekos: and make sure you have enough space for the backup, and it will take a long time :p
[12:01] <stdin> blekos: basically, yes
[12:01] <Skunkwaffle> well all my hardware is Linksys, but I don't know if Kubuntu will recognize it. I can't go online and get drivers if I cant get online
[12:01] <blekos> basically i want to resize my partitions and give it more space
[12:01] <eMaX> B is a more recent model, Siemens Gigaset WLAN Repeater 108.
[12:02] <lupine_85> Skunkwaffle: linksys use a mix of different chipsets
[12:02] <genii> eMaX OK I am going now to find out exactly wtf these things are
[12:02] <lupine_85> it could be broadcom, ralink or an unsupported one
[12:02] <stdin> blekos: you can do that without reformatting
[12:02] <eMaX> he has 3 operating modes Repeater, AP, Ethernet adapter
[12:02] <lupine_85> the first mode is brain-damaged. the second is useless without an ethernet backbone. the third is just... useless
[12:03] <blekos> how is that, i tried partition magic but didnt have much luck cause linux is b2n c & d (ntfs)
[12:03] <blekos> and couldnt get freespace from d (which is after linux swap)
[12:03] <crav_> blekos: i just merged all my partitions and let the installer create the partitions. it's working fine in both linux and windows.
[12:03] <genii> eMaX I need to go a gui machine to look at the pdf user manual i just found but will return
[12:04] <Skunkwaffle> well I guess I'll just give it a shot and see
[12:04] <eMaX> thanks
[12:04] <lupine_85> Skunkwaffle: use the edgy live cd :) has much better wireless support than the daper one
[12:04] <lupine_85> dapper*
[12:04] <eMaX> btw I see that B has no option to actually configure a gw
[12:04] <stdin> blekos: try the gparted live CD, or the K/Ubuntu desktop cd, it has a tool called gparted ot qtparted that should let you do that
[12:04] <blekos> yes but this was during installation, right crav_?
[12:04] <Skunkwaffle> where do I get that
[12:05] <blekos> i c
[12:05] <crav_> blekos: correct. i undid previous partitioning with partiotion magic and than repartitioned during instal
[12:05] <eMaX> lets see, I set it to get his own IP via DHCP. there is only one dhcp server around which is 192.168.1.1
[12:06] <blekos> could u tell me what's the correct way of installing linux(ubuntu), that is i have a / partion where the home folder etc is, and a swap partition
[12:07] <blekos> i have the feeling i should have smg like a / partion a "users" partition and a swap ptn
[12:07] <ninnghizidha> Looking for the "resume last session"-option .... cant find it ...
[12:08] <blekos> ninnghizdha kmenu->system settings->sessions
[12:08] <ninnghizidha> :-?
[12:08] <eMaX> WOW.
[12:09] <eMaX> I just found one additional machine
[12:09] <ninnghizidha> blekos, it isnt there ... cant find it ... thats wierd :-?
[12:09] <blekos> sorry kmenu->systemsettings -> choosethe advanced tab
[12:09] <eMaX> A "British Telecom Voyager 10V". He has an IP address of 192.168.192.1/24 and also an ip address of 192.168.1.55 so is on my subnet
[12:09] <blekos> and then session manager
[12:09] <blekos> did u c it?
[12:09] <eMaX> he is configured as being a "router"
[12:09] <ninnghizidha> haha ... never seen that adv-tab before ... thanks! will find it from there! :)
[12:10] <eMaX> but what is that fecker for
[12:10] <blekos> ;)
[12:10] <eMaX> ok it looks like a dsl modem as I can configure incoming port ranges
[12:11] <genii2> <- genii
[12:11] <blekos> i run gparted (sudo) but the partitions are locked
[12:11] <goodthing> anyone knows if there is any documentation on configuring ksnapshot?
[12:11] <kyaneos> hi
[12:11] <kyaneos> i have a problem
[12:12] <stdin> blekos: are you on the live CD?
[12:12] <blekos> no
[12:12] <genii2> eMaX The manul for the 108 at least is here:  http://shc-download.siemens.com/repository/1210/121044/A31008-M1030-B101-2-7619_en_NET.pdf        pages about 6-8 tell the repeater mode settings
[12:12] <stdin> blekos: you need to be, you can't repartition a running system
[12:13] <eMaX> well I feel that guy in his appartment has just hooked another device to the network that he was using when he was in UK and now doesn't have an idea what it was for, so lets just hook it up. over here in switzerland we don't have british telecom
[12:13] <scott___> Can somebody help me with some root privileges?
[12:13] <stdin> scott___: what's the problem ?
[12:13] <blekos> i thought it will like partition magic...
[12:13] <stdin> blekos: yes, you still have to boot in to partition magic don't you
[12:13] <kyaneos> k3b sais me that some files have to be shortened to 103 characters, but every file is less of 103 characters long
[12:14] <scott___> stdin: My computer says I can't mount my ext. harddrive without being root.  How can I change this?
[12:14] <blekos> with partition magic you make all the changes and after you hit "aplly" then it restarts ur system
[12:14] <blekos> and the changes take effect
[12:14] <blekos> i know i asked again but
[12:15] <blekos> could u tell me what's the correct way of installing linux(ubuntu), that is i have a / partion where the home folder etc is, and a swap partition
[12:15] <stdin> blekos: well, you need to be running from a live cd gor gparted
[12:15] <blekos> i have the feeling i should have smg like a / partion a "users" partition and a swap ptn
[12:16] <stdin> scott___: you need to add a line to /etc/fstab to mount it, what is the device name? (hda3 for example)
[12:16] <scott___> stdin: sda1
[12:17] <stdin> blekos: if there's no option for that on the live installer, then you need the alternate one. I've never used the live install, so I don't know
[12:17] <stdin> scott___: try this 1st. in konsole type: pmount /dev/sda1 external
[12:17] <lupine_85> it lets you manually partition
[12:17] <lupine_85> just have /home one one partition, / on another
[12:18] <stdin> scott___: if that works, then it will be mounted in /media/external
[12:18] <blekos> what's  the alternate one?
[12:18] <stdin> !alternate
[12:18] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[12:19] <stdin> blekos: but lupine_85 has said that the live installer will let you do it
[12:19] <scott___> stdin: it says Warning: device /dev/sda1 is already handled by /etc/fstab, supplied label is ignored
[12:19] <lupine_85> you need the alt CD for LVM (which seriously pwns). that's it.
[12:19] <lupine_85> well, I rephrase: if you can stand the brain-damaged GUI install
[12:19] <scott___> stdin: then it says mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1
[12:19] <stdin> scott___: is the drive always connected to the system?
[12:20] <blekos> i dont recall that
[12:20] <scott___> yes
[12:20] <scott___> stdin: yes
[12:20] <blekos> he undid the partitioning and then did a fresh insall
[12:20] <stdin> scott___: what filesystem is on it?
[12:20] <genii2> eMaX btw do the Siemens things all physically look the same or are the other 2 different?
[12:20] <blekos> *install
[12:20] <scott___> fat32
[12:21] <scott___> stdin: I am pretty sure it is fat32
[12:21] <scott___> stdin: the thing is it worked earlier today, but now it doesn't
[12:22] <Anakin>  i use kubuntu 6.10 and my monitor is a little darky...it's no problem in desktop but when I want to wach a movie, I have to increase brightness from the movie player...I can't do it in kubuntu with xine, mplayer, kaffeine
[12:22] <Anakin> what can be the problem ?
[12:22] <scott___> stdin: the only think I can think of that I did is adding a new user
[12:22] <stdin> scott___: you can edit the line in fstab to look like "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 vfat auto" so it's mounted at boot
[12:23] <lupine_85> don't forget gid=1000 so your user can write to it
[12:23] <stdin> lupine_85: not good if you want more than 1 user to access it
[12:24] <scott___> stdin: Could it be that I gave the other user permissions that caused this problem?
[12:24] <lupine_85> stdin: then you make a discs group and add all your users to it :)
[12:24] <stdin> lupine_85: wouldn't a umask be more useful ?
[12:24] <eMaX> genii2 sorry was running around.
[12:25] <lupine_85> maybe
[12:25] <eMaX> they all are the same exept one.
[12:25] <blekos> bwt is it possible on the taskbar to see only the program shortcuts and the "titles" of the open windows?
[12:25] <stdin> scott___: probably not, it just got unmounted somehow
[12:25] <genii2> eMaX at any rate if they all look like the one that says 108 then they are all 108 models. If they look like the one here they are older models : http://shc-download.siemens.com/repository/919/91980/A31008-M601-R101-1-SU19_15-01-2006_en_GBR.pdf
[12:25] <genii2> eMaX They only had 2 models
[12:25] <eMaX> now here is something es that I just found out.
[12:25] <eMaX> the problem is much more specific.
[12:25] <eMaX> let X and Y connect to A initially, which is the 108.
[12:26] <stdin> scott___: use: 'sudo mount /dev/sda1' to remount it (you can also edit the fstab line adding "umask=0000" to the end of the options to alow writing to all users)
[12:26] <eMaX> then tell laptop X, running kubuntu, to connect to B, which is the older model.
[12:26] <scott___> stdin: I will try it now
[12:26] <eMaX> both X and Y can still ping each other.
[12:26] <eMaX> A and B are not so far away, so it is possible to connect to both of them.
[12:27] <eMaX> now move laptop Y over close to B and let him search again for networks (he chooses the strongest one, which is now B)
[12:27] <eMaX> then they can no longer ping each other
[12:27] <scott___> stdin: What's the best way to go about editing that fstab line?
[12:27] <eMaX> now connect laptop X to B and they can again ping each other.
[12:28] <stdin> scott___: press alt-f2 (to open the run dialog) and in there type: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:28] <eMaX> brb
[12:28] <eMaX> re
[12:29] <genii2> eMaX in these cases they are using whatever central "pivot point" to ping each other from. eg: X->A->Y   X->B->Y and so on
[12:30] <eMaX> now I am going to switch sides. i.e. Y to A and X to B.
[12:30] <eMaX> and... yes, they still can ping each other
[12:30] <stdin> scott___: you want it to look something like "/dev/sda1       /media/sda1   vfat auto,umask=0000     0       0"
[12:31] <eMaX> So only if X=>A and Y=>B, they cannot. If X=>B and Y=>A or X=>B<=Y or X=>A<=Y they see each other
[12:31] <eMaX> so it has something to do with the configuration of Y.
[12:31] <genii2> If you put say X to
[12:31] <scott___> stdin: mine says /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=0000,gid=46 0
[12:32] <genii2> A can you ping some arbitrary inet #
[12:32] <eMaX> sure
[12:32] <eMaX> that always works
[12:32] <scott___> stdin: I changed the part you said
[12:32] <eMaX> from X and Y
[12:33] <flaccid> you have to use the wext driver and not ipw. major bug :(
[12:33] <genii2> bleh ... X->A ... X: ping 64.233.167.147   pig returns?
[12:33] <stdin> scott___: that looks ok
[12:33] <genii2> *ping* returns?
[12:33] <blekos> when i creat a txt file thenon the desktop appears a backup file  with the same title
[12:33] <scott___> stdin: thanks for your help
[12:33] <blekos> whats that?
[12:33] <stdin> scott___: try "sudo umount /dev/sda1 && sudo mount /dev/sda1" to test it
[12:35] <genii2> stdin well, to some mount point hopefully
[12:35] <scott___> stdin: it says that sudo: unmount: command not found
[12:35] <stdin> scott___: not unmount, umount
[12:35] <stdin> genii2: no, it's in fstab :)
[12:35] <scott___> stdin: I spelled it correctly
[12:36] <eMaX> o f*ck
[12:36] <genii2> stdin Yes but it should be mount /media/sda1   not/*dev*/something
[12:36] <eMaX> Y had a metric of 30. set it to 1. now works.
[12:36] <stdin> scott___: you spelt it unmount, that's not it, it's umount, try copy and paste the command i wrote
[12:37] <stdin> genii2: mount /dev/whatever works as well as /media/whatever
[12:38] <eMaX> can anyone confirm that the metric setting can have such an effect?
[12:38] <dope> where do i go to put limitations on user accounts?
[12:38] <scott___> stdin: Ok it functions correctly
[12:39] <stdin> cool :)
[12:39] <stdin> or in kde terms Kool :)
[12:39] <scott___> stdin: but is there a way I can make it mount just by clicking, as it was before?
[12:39] <genii2> eMaX metric = # of hops
[12:39] <sleepy475> Any music player support mp4 files? I know Amorok doesn't.
[12:39] <eMaX> but why that other computer was setting "30" I have no idea
[12:39] <stdin> scott___: it will automatically mount at boot now
[12:39] <scott___> stdin: ok, that's good enough.  Thanks again
[12:40] <stdin> scott___: no problem :)
[12:40] <genii2> eMaX because generally 30 machines in between you and some endpoint over the internet is about the most you want to get
[12:41] <stdin> sleepy475: depends what format mp4 is?
[12:41] <eMaX> now when I set it to 1 and it works and when it was set to 30 it did not work
[12:41] <sleepy475> aac
[12:41] <stdin> sleepy475: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/AAC
[12:42] <genii2> eMaX metric = 1 means any machine anywhere it wants to get to better be 1 hop away
[12:42] <stdin> sleepy475: says just install  "gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse" and maybe "gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad"
[12:43] <eMaX> still I wonder why my linux box sets this metric one automatically, and the other computer had set it to 30, and particularly the problem I had was solved when I set the metric to 1 on both boxes
[12:43] <sleepy475> thanks
[12:43] <stdin> np sleepy475
[12:44] <eMaX> brb
[12:46] <genii2> I'm not entirely certain he understands the hop=metric concept
[12:47] <flaccid> i have this in my /etc/network/interfaces, however it doesnt appear to get called preup wpa_supplicant -Bw -ieth1 -Dwext -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[12:47] <flaccid> anybody know why
[12:47] <genii2> flaccid Does it appear to work every 2nd boot?
[12:47] <flaccid> i'm not booting
[12:47] <flaccid> i'm simply restarting the service
[12:48] <stdin> do you have 'pre-up' before the command?
[12:48] <genii2> flaccid I'm asking since i have a strange issue with eth1 working properly every 2nd boot
[12:49] <genii2> trying to feel out if it's some generalised thing
[12:50] <flaccid> genii: ok
[12:50] <stdin> flaccid: command in /etc/network/interfaces should be 'pre-up wpa_supplicant -Bw -ieth1 -Dwext -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
[12:52] <genii2> stdin Those hyphens will get you every time
[12:52] <flaccid> i think i just figured that
[12:52] <flaccid> hey stdin whats the dif
[12:53] <flaccid> oh
[12:53] <flaccid> pre-up ?
[12:53] <stdin> preup != pre-up
[12:53] <flaccid> ah thanks
[12:53] <stdin> np :)
[12:53] <flaccid> its late
[12:53] <flaccid> hehe
[12:53] <stdin> it's nearly mid-day here :p
[12:54] <genii2> stdin Another allnighter and now 6:55AM here
[12:54] <blekos> can i make konqueror transparent?
[12:55] <stdin> genii2: you had a night off the other day, so you should be ok :p
[12:55] <genii2> stdin Slave driver!
[12:55] <stdin> blekos: you can with beryl
[12:55] <genii2> ROFLMAO
[12:56] <genii2> stdin Your nick really need to be beryl-evangelist
[12:56] <stdin> :p
[12:57] <flaccid> wicked my wireless works
[12:57] <stdin> hmm, it's not registered, I may have it :p
[12:57] <flaccid> very bad bug
[12:57] <flaccid> due to changing to generic kernel
[12:57] <genii2> heh stdin
[12:58] <blekos> damn i cant decide b2n kde and gnome... i guess this is an ooooooooolllllllllddddddddd question
[12:58] <JOSF> blekos: install both
[12:59] <genii2> blekos Why not forgo them both and go with Enlightenment?
[12:59] <willy_> hllo
[12:59] <beryl-evangelist> genii2: new nick :D
[12:59] <genii2> Or alternately install any and every wm you can and just try them all out :)
[01:00] <genii2> beryl-evangelist 8)
[01:00] <stdin> I'll use it on special occasions, like when i mention beryl :p
[01:01] <genii2> stdin Cool
[01:01] <beryl-evangelist> beryl rocks!!
[01:01] <stdin> :D
[01:02] <genii2> You've almost convinced me to install it!
[01:02] <stdin> you should try it, you can always remove it if you don't like it (tho I don't know why you wouldn't :P )
[01:02] <fabiofx> morning :)
[01:03] <stdin> up to version 0.1.5 on svn
[01:04] <genii2> stdin Basically because once i get things just how i like it where everything is working well, I don't like to spuriously risk total non-functioningness
[01:04] <fabiofx> how to use in fstab a partition ext3 with coding iso-8859-1?
[01:04] <blekos> i've installed both and enlightenment is not xcatly my taste...
[01:05] <genii2> I'm pretty sure you don't need codepages to use a fs
[01:05] <lupine_85> fabiofx: use the nls=option
[01:05] <blekos> both have great features, gnome simplicity and compatibility with certain buttons but kde is more user friendly especially for a newbie
[01:05] <genii2> well, unless smb
[01:05] <fabiofx> I try nls.. :(
[01:05] <stdin> genii2: if you use GLX then you'll have to choose it when you login (or start the server manually), and you can turn beryl off without logging out
[01:05] <fabiofx> i try charset too..
[01:05] <lupine_85> genii2: important when dealing with braindead OSes :p
[01:06] <lupine_85> everyone else uses UTF-8
[01:06] <genii2> lupine yes UTF-8 is my choice
[01:07] <fabiofx> in dmesg "[17181722.636000]  EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "nls=iso8859-1" or missing value"
[01:08] <genii2> stdin Since to set it all up with GLX proper 3D on my ATI cards is a pita more reason not to bother right now
[01:08] <fabiofx> but this partition not is /
[01:09] <lupine_85> hmm, does ubuntu's kernel have the iso8559-1 codepage compiled?
[01:09] <stdin> genii2: ahh well, wait until ATI support AIGLX then (don't hold ya breath tho)
[01:09] <lupine_85> nls= is definitely a valid option
[01:09] <genii2> 8859-1 is standard western europe i believe
[01:10] <fabiofx> I have compiled kernel do?
[01:10] <lupine_85> yeah
[01:10] <lupine_85> well, 8859-15 is that now
[01:10] <lupine_85> (euro symbol)
[01:10] <fabiofx> :(
[01:11] <stdin> would iocharset=iso-8859-1 be the option there?
[01:12] <fabiofx> same error
[01:14] <genii2> man mount shows no "nls=anything" type option for ext2 or ext3
[01:14] <genii2> with either -o or -O
[01:15] <genii2> nfs4 shows utf8 option
[01:19] <fabiofx> I think only recompiling kernel :(
[01:19] <genii2> fabiofx What is the reason you need some 8859-1 mounting technique?
[01:20] <fabiofx> becouse name files in paritition
[01:20] <genii2> machine doing the mounting using something different than 8859-1 but thing to mount has 8859-1 data on it? etc
[01:21] <fabiofx> yes..
[01:21] <genii2> Stupid codepage crap
[01:22] <genii2> 437 853 and so on so forth bleh
[01:22] <pascal> How do I enable daap (itunes sharing) in amarok?
[01:22] <fabiofx> i will rename files..
[01:22] <fabiofx> thank's
[01:23] <genii2> There is for vfat mounts codepage=  option, may work in ext3
[01:24] <sorush20> hi..
[01:24] <genii2> perhaps iocharset=  may work OK
[01:25] <genii2> iocharset=iso8859-1  would be my first try to use
[01:25] <sorush20> my bitrate on my wireless land card is 11Mb this is a "g" linksys pci card.. why isn't it reading 54MB
[01:25] <stdin> genii2: [12:11]  <stdin> would iocharset=iso-8859-1 be the option there? [12:12]  <fabiofx> same error
[01:26] <fabiofx> iocharset don't work
[01:26] <genii2> fabiofx You may need that troublesome hyphen
[01:26] <ubuntu_> wow
[01:26] <ubuntu_> hi
[01:26] <fabiofx> with iso8859-1 too
[01:28] <genii2> eg:  iso8859-1   iso-8859-1     <- slight difference
[01:29] <sorush20> I'm
[01:29] <fabiofx> I try too and no work too
[01:29] <genii2> damn
[01:31] <fabiofx> well... I will rename the files and use utf-8 :)
[01:32] <fabiofx> thanks
[01:33] <XenThraL> hi, can anyone tell me how I could log in as root graphically? (so I can just drag and drop stuff into say /usr)
[01:35] <noiesmo> XenThraL, if you open konqueror with kdesu konqueror you will be able to do the drag n drop
[01:35] <XenThraL> how do I go about doing that? :)
[01:36] <noiesmo> XenThraL, open a konsole and type " kdesu konqueror" without quotes
[01:36] <stdin> or do it from the run dialog (alt-f2 or Kmenu -> Run Command)
[01:37] <XenThraL> thanks :)
[01:39] <genii2> fabiofx There seems to be relevant stuff here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3061.html
[01:39] <stdin> genii2: he's gone already
[01:40] <genii2> damn
[01:41] <jarn> I ran a apt-get dist-upgrade and it errored out at one point and so it didn't install what it downloaded, is there a way to make it install what it downloaded?
[01:41] <stdin> jarn: just run apt-get dist-upgrade again
[01:42] <stdin> jarn: it won't sownload twice
[01:42] <stdin> *download
[01:44] <genii2> jarn If the nature of the error was something to the effect the disk is full it may not matter much
[01:46] <Ace_NoOne> Hi there! I've recently installed Kubuntu in my first serious attempt to properly get to know Linux - however, I kinda get the feeling that installing regular Ubuntu instead might be a wiser choice for a beginner like me, as that's the standard so most beginners' guides focus on the Gnome GUI
[01:48] <Ace_NoOne> Also, is there any guide that'd walk me through the OS from start to end? I've realized just roaming around aimlessly is not very efficient...
[01:48] <stdin>  you can have both Kubuntu and Ubuntu, and choose which you like bast
[01:49] <jarn> genii2: It wasn't, thanks.
[01:49] <Ace_NoOne> stdin: you mean installing Gnome over Kubuntu now? I've read that can become messy
[01:50] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: no, it's not messy, you just install ubuntu-desktop and you will get a choice when you login of which to start
[01:50] <Ace_NoOne> so no conflicts? cool
[01:50] <genii2> Yes, very :)
[01:50] <stdin> no conflicks
[01:50] <stdin> no *conflicts* rather
[01:51] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: http://ubuntuguide.org/ is a good place to start for a guide too
[01:51] <Ace_NoOne> yeah, but that's Ubuntu-related, not Kubuntu - which brings me back to the initial observation...
[01:52] <genii2> Ace_NoOne Since it is all the same core underneath the essentials of how to accomplish something remain the same
[01:53] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: the kubuntu wiki is a good pace for kubuntu info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[01:53] <Ace_NoOne> only if you use the CLI; for example, it took me ages to find the KDE equivalent to GDM to set up auto-login (Google just sent me to Ubuntu-related guides)
[01:53] <Ace_NoOne> thanks
[01:55] <genii2> Ace_NoOne the main kde site has good documentation as well on stuff specifically for that desktop   http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html
[01:55] <Ace_NoOne> basically, the main reason I chose KDE over Gnome was the upcoming KDE4; it not only seems very slick, but also extremely functional (from what I've seen so far)
[01:55] <Ace_NoOne> genii
[01:55] <Ace_NoOne> that looks exactly like what I've been looking for
[01:56] <Ace_NoOne> ... coulda gotten there myself if I'd thought a little...
[01:56] <stdin> I found KDE much easier to use for me when I first started
[01:56] <Ace_NoOne> well, it is more Windows-like
[01:56] <Ace_NoOne> but in a good way ;)
[01:57] <stdin> the default theme is, but you can make it look like whatever you want
[01:57] <genii2> The user interface is a similar metaphor to what most ppl are accustomed to seeing
[01:57] <Ace_NoOne> yeah
[01:57] <Ace_NoOne> btw: the partition for sharing files between Win and Linux should be FAT32, right
[01:57] <stdin> yes, fat32
[01:58] <Ace_NoOne> but that won't allow files over 4GB IIRC - are there any drivers to make Windows read (would suffice I guess) from EXT3 partitions?
[01:58] <genii2> CIFC
[01:59] <genii2> CIFS rather
[01:59] <genii2> !cifs
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cifs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <genii2> darn u ubotu! LOL
[01:59] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: fat32 (on windows) will go up to 32GB i think, and there is a driver for windows
[01:59] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[01:59] <Ace_NoOne> stdin: not for individual files (e.g. DVD images)
[02:00] <stdin> yeah, there is the file size limit
[02:00] <genii2> Ace_NoOne It is only a limitation of win98 for 4Gb. A fat32 fs can *hold* files larger than 4Gb
[02:00] <stdin> that driver will allow you to read AND write to ext3
[02:00] <Ace_NoOne> genii: that limitation also applies to WinXP tho
[02:01] <Ace_NoOne> so I'll go for the "Ext2 Installable File System For Windows"
[02:01] <Ace_NoOne> that seems like the perfect solution
[02:01] <genii2> At least, I've dumped <4Gb there in one shot
[02:01] <stdin> when it mounts the filesystem it won't have a journal, so it's actally mounted as ext2 in windows
[02:01] <Ace_NoOne> well, EXT3 will be more future-proof anyway, considering that I'll completely switch to Linux sooner or later
[02:02] <stdin> wait until EXT4 :D
[02:02] <Ace_NoOne> :P
[02:02] <Ace_NoOne> ^^ what's the difference/danger then? looks like I need to learn more about filesystems...
[02:04] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: filesystems with a journal are better at recovering from a failour, wikipedia will have more info :p
[02:04] <Ace_NoOne> reading the FAQ at http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html#acc_ext3
[02:04] <stdin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[02:04] <genii2> basically sorting out what sort of file permissions and localised encoding from Windoze need to be mapped to whatever layout you have on the fs in linux
[02:05] <genii2> journalling fs = faster to recover from errors and generally a better idea
[02:05] <Ace_NoOne> I see
[02:05] <stdin> genii2: as I recall, file permissions are ignored when mounted on windows
[02:05] <genii2> stdin Depends on umask crap and so on
[02:06] <Mightily-Oats> anyone know of an app or tool i can use to back up a drive full of data every night.. so it basically mirrors the drive to another machine on the network?
[02:06] <stdin> genii2: nope, windows can't deal with the permissions, so it ignores them
[02:06] <genii2> Mightily-Oats install rsync then make a cron job to do it whenever it is you want
[02:07] <stdin> genii2: you would be able to read/write to any file, no matter what permissions it had under linux
[02:07] <Mightily-Oats> rsync.. cron.. ok.. got to go look them up... thanks ::)
[02:08] <genii2> stdin Wait, you mean the ext2 driver for Windoze or some linux-shared to windoze fs eg:cifs,smb
[02:08] <stdin> genii2: the ext2 driver
[02:08] <genii2> stdin ah, that one i dunno
[02:09] <stdin> he was on about a shared partition, so smb/cifs wouldn't work :p
[02:09] <yelonek> hi, i got a debian package, when i right click it and select kubuntu package menu->install package, a window quickly pops up and disappears
[02:10] <yelonek> I'm pretty sure i downloaded it correctly
[02:10] <yelonek> can anyone help ?
[02:10] <yelonek> what is the bash command to install package ?
[02:10] <stdin> !deb
[02:10] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[02:10] <stdin> or sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[02:11] <amir> what do you need debian package format for?
[02:12] <genii2> yelonek More informative error output can usually be had by opening a konsole and using the command above on whatever the package is. The konsole will not immediately close, thus preserving whatever the msg may be
[02:12] <stdin> because *ubuntu is debian based
[02:12] <yelonek> that's what I'm trying to do now, genii2 ;)
[02:12] <yelonek> thanks for helping
[02:18] <sampo-> I'm installing SATA-driver card, Promise TX2plus and I tryit google search with few keywords, but I did not found out what modules need to be installed, that card should work?
 thanks.. looked at a couple of pages on cron and rsync.. exactly what i need... and now i know how to use cron.. id only ever heard of it before.. :)
[02:19] <genii2> Mightily-Oats :) Glad yer learning something
[02:19] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. me learning.. thats a scary thought..
[02:19] <genii2> Mightily-Oats As for cron, you may want to look at man crontab
[02:20] <Mightily-Oats> yeah.. that was basically on the site i looked at.. looked like the man page for cron.. but being formatted on a html page.. just made it a bit more clearer
[02:20] <genii2> Cool
[02:21] <stdin> sampo-: try just installing it, the kernel will probably have a driver for it already
[02:21] <genii2> !dsgfs
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dsgfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <genii2> Hmmm
[02:22] <genii2> !dsgrid
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dsgrid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <sampo-> stdin: It does not have. Or proglem is other.
[02:23] <sampo-> But when kubuntu start, it shows the hard drive, witch is connected to that card, but about cfdisk /dev/sda does not work
[02:23] <stdin> sampo-: is this the card?
[02:23] <stdin> http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=Non-RAID%20HBAs&product_id=126
[02:24] <sampo-> Yes
[02:24] <yelonek> woohoo, I made it ;) thx stdin and genii2 :)
[02:25] <stdin> sampo-: it had drivers on this page http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productID=126&category=all&os=100
[02:25] <yelonek> looks like kde needs some more tinkering with menu
[02:26] <sampo-> stdin: Ok, let check it out. Maybe best way is compile from "linux kernel", not using suse or red hat's driver?
[02:27] <stdin> sampo-: suse or read hat ones wont work, you want the "linux kernel", yeah
[02:27] <stdin> sampo-: you say linux can see the drive connected tho?
[02:27] <sampo-> yes
[02:27] <genii2> Yes, likely the 32bit version of 2.6 kernel would be safe bet there
[02:28] <sampo-> It got server-installation and no cleaned startup, there show's that Samsung 160G SATA har drive
[02:28] <jann> hi. i'm having the problem that my fan (notebook) doesnt stop working, even without processor activity. te resolve that i followed a how-to (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780). but i always get an errormessage doing sensors-detect: Client at address 0x50 can not be probed - unload all client drivers first! (step: SMBus I801 adapter at 1400). can anybody tell me what that means?
[02:28] <sampo-> not exatly those words, but still
[02:29] <stdin> sampo-: dose 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' work at all?
[02:30] <sampo-> stdin: Nothing output
[02:31] <sampo-> with out l came "unable to open /dev/sda
[02:31] <stdin> ok, just checking :)
[02:32] <stdin> maybe it works then
[02:32] <stdin> if I run the command on my CD drive, then fdisk -l show nothing, and fdisk shows Unable to open /dev/scd0
[02:33] <stdin> sampo-: have you tried to partition it yet?
[02:33] <flaccid> is that being run under sudo?
[02:34] <stdin> yeah
[02:34] <flaccid> dang
[02:34] <marcsen> moi
[02:34] <marcsen> n
[02:34] <marcsen> frohen samstag
[02:35] <ggintas__> hi ewerybody
[02:35] <genii2> jann In other words step 3 of the link you gave does not succeed?
[02:35] <jann> genii2: right
[02:36] <sampo-> stdin: No, I just burning cd
[02:37] <stdin> sampo-: ahh, cd drive :p
[02:37] <stdin> sampo-: when you put a cd in, what happens?
[02:37] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:37] <genii2> jann Hopefully you did not do step2 as you have devfs/udev
[02:37] <sampo-> nothing? And cd-rom is connected to motherboard
[02:37] <stdin> !ask
[02:37] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:37] <damien_karras> what should I ask?
[02:38] <genii2> jann Have you rebooted since you attempted these instructions to this point?
[02:38] <sampo-> Someting what is conneted to channel
[02:38] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:38] <amir> damien_karras: what question do you want to ask?
[02:39] <damien_karras> why
[02:39] <jann> genii2: i tried it a couple of times. with and without reboot
[02:39] <jann> genii2: devfs/udev?
[02:39] <amir> damien_karras: what do you mean why?
[02:39] <Rythan> damien_karras: Just ask your question ...
[02:39] <sampo-> wtf,, make is not installed ?
[02:39] <damien_karras> what question?
[02:40] <amir> damien_karras: the one you wanted to ask
[02:40] <damien_karras> why
[02:40] <genii2> jann Yes, that howto is a bit older, previously there were static device entries in /dev directory. Now they are created each boot by a system known as devfs
[02:40] <Rythan> Ah, amir, one of those ...
[02:41] <sampo-> How this is possible? :O When i tryit to install bash says "-su: make : command not found"?
[02:41] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:41] <jann> genii2: so i have to change something? or reboot after step 2?
[02:41] <Lynoure> damien_karras: What is stopping you?
[02:41] <Rythan> damien_karras: You've asked several ... move along :)
[02:41] <amir> damien_karras:  just ask your damn question then
[02:42] <damien_karras> what should I ask?
[02:42] <stdin> sampo-: you need to install the package build-essential
[02:42] <Lynoure> damien_karras: how about "How much trolling will get me kicked?"
[02:42] <genii2> jann Step2 in that howto can be skipped altogether, as all it does is create the device entries which will automatically by devfs be made by your system at next boot. So the idea would be to install the lm-sensors as in step 1. Then reboot and go to step 3
[02:42] <Rythan> Lynoure: That's a good one ...
[02:43] <damien_karras> I come from norway
[02:43] <capcom> hi all
[02:43] <amir> damien_karras:  I come from sweden, so what?
[02:43] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:43] <amir> damien_karras:  vad r det du vill ?
[02:44] <jann> genii2: ah, ok. so i delete the /dev/i2c-* entries, go back to step 1, reboot, and try step 3?
[02:44] <genii2> jann Yes
[02:44] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:44] <capcom> is here somebody using kubuntu and speaking german ?
[02:44] <jann> ok, i'll try that. i'll be back after that. thanks
[02:44] <sampo-> that sucks
[02:45] <stdin> capcom: you can ask in #kubuntu-de
[02:45] <capcom> stdin: okay
[02:47] <Rythan> Is Kubuntu using static libraries for it's Firefox install? (Fiesty)  Or, how would I be ble to find this out?
[02:48] <sampo-> stdin: are that package includet with first kubuntu alternative cd installation cd-disk? (6.10>)
[02:48] <stdin> sampo-: yes, it's on the alternate disk
[02:48] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:49] <genii2> !ask
[02:49] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:49] <damien_karras> what should I ask?
[02:49] <Rythan> genii2: I would ignore that troll
[02:50] <genii2> Appears to be some Eliza variant
[02:50] <Lynoure> !op
[02:50] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO
[02:50] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:50] <sampo-> Proglem, I cann't instaal build-essential package, because make is not installed >:P
[02:51] <Lynoure> DBO: could you do something about damien_karras?
[02:51] <stdin> sampo-: build-essential installs make
[02:51] <Rythan> genii2: Ah ... <yawn>
[02:51] <amir> DBO: I agree with Lynoure
[02:51] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:51] <tryptamine> im having trouble upgrading to Edgy because of a locale problem, it says to set my locale to US:Eng and it wont install the packages because of it
[02:51] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[02:52] <Rythan> DBO: I, as well
[02:52] <sampo-> stdin: yes, but when i dpkg --install buils-package, it came error: build-essential depends on mak; however: package make is not installed"
[02:52] <DBO> sorry I got a phone call =P
[02:52] <Rythan> Thanks DBO
[02:53] <stdin> sampo-: use sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:53] <genii2> "not installED" or "not installABLE"
[02:53] <sampo-> How I can make apt-get that look's package from cdrom?
[02:53] <Lynoure> DBO: Worry not, ops are allowed to have a life, too
[02:53] <Rythan> They are? :)
[02:53] <stdin> sampo-: do this: sudo apt-cdrom add
[02:53] <DBO> Lynoure, I wish you had told me that sooner!  *going to get breakfast*
[02:54] <jann> genii2: it's still the same -> "Client at address 0x50 can not be probed - unload all client drivers first!" (also 0x51), but: "Client found at address 0x69"
[02:55] <genii2> tryptamine what is your actual locale?
[02:55] <jann> genii2: in the next step it doesnt find anything
[02:55] <tryptamine> perth australia
[02:55] <genii2> tryptamine Have you tried just using en_AU  or whatever then?
[02:56] <tryptamine> i tried en_US
[02:56] <jann> genii2: "Sorry, no chips were detected. Either your sensors are not supported, or they are connected to an I2C bus adapter that we do not support."
[02:56] <tryptamine> and it still wouldnt work
[02:56] <jann> any more ideas?
[02:56] <tryptamine> i'd restart and get that printer test screen thing
[02:56] <genii2> jann Hmm I am thinking, yes, but no immediate glaring thing to do comes to mind
[02:57] <ivan> hi everyone
[02:57] <genii2> jann pls at commandline just type in only: sudo sensors
[02:57] <jann> ok
[02:58] <jann> "Can't access procfs/sysfs file"
[02:58] <genii2> jann If there is much output from that please put in pastebin
[02:58] <genii2> jann OK, let me think then :)
[02:58] <jann> "Unable to find i2c bus information;"
[02:59] <sampo-> Does not work, I need to change to Debian
[03:00] <jann> right know i notice that once it worked a little further, it detected like three things that i then added to /etc/modules
[03:00] <cap|com> can somebody please tell me where i can set the distance (horizontal and vertical) between the icons on the "desktop" of the kde?
[03:01] <genii2> jann OK. Please do: sudo apt-get --purge remove lm-sensors && sudo apt-get install lm-sensors          then, reboot and see if just the command  sudo sensors      gives a more satifactory result
[03:01] <jann> ok
[03:04] <wilman> is wirreles internet easy to establish with kubuntu
[03:05] <genii2> !libsensors
[03:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsensors - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:06] <jann> genii2: still the same. what does "For older kernels, make sure you have done 'modprobe i2c-proc'!" mean?
[03:07] <genii2> jann Odd. Plase report result of  uname -r
[03:07] <jann> 2.6.17-10-generic
[03:08] <jann> "For 2.6 kernels, make sure you have mounted sysfs and libsensors was compiled with sysfs support!"
[03:08] <genii2> jann Then you do not have the older kernel which this means, however it appears you need to at this point manually insert into /etc/modules  the name  i2c-proc
[03:09] <stdin> genii2: make sure that module exists, I can't find it on my system
[03:10] <genii2> jann Please at command-line do:   modprobe -l i2c-proc
[03:10] <jann> ok
[03:10] <genii2> -l  is lowercase L not numeral one
[03:11] <jann> doesnt change...
[03:11] <stdin> not found then
[03:11] <genii2> jann So there is no reporting back the location of the module withat name.
[03:12] <jann> hmm
[03:12] <genii2> jann Pls do   sudo apt-cache search i2c-proc
[03:12] <jann> nothing !?
[03:13] <genii2> jann 1 moment, I am contemplating the source of this
[03:13] <jann> ok
[03:13] <genii2> stdin I think uncommenting/additions in sources.list ... your opinion?
[03:14] <stdin> genii2: I have all the sources enabled, I can't find it
[03:14] <genii2> alright more research seems needed
[03:14] <genii2> !i2c-proc
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i2c-proc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <stdin> !find i2c-proc
[03:15] <ubotu> Package/file i2c-proc does not exist in edgy
[03:16] <genii2> Well, normally "older kernels" refers to anything of versions 2.4 and below, previous to udev and devfs for instance
[03:16] <stdin> that's my understanding too, genii2
[03:16] <sinthetek> heya, i've been having this problem ever since i upgraded from dapper to edgy... for some reason upon boot kdm doesn't start properly...
[03:16] <TheGateKeeper> doesn't exist in dapper either
[03:16] <sinthetek> i have been logging in remotely on the rare occaisions when my sister needs to reboot and running /etc/init.d/kdm restart and it works fine
[03:16] <genii2> So my thinking in this matter is that this is a module which was superceded by some other thing for instance acpid  or so
[03:17] <sinthetek> just for some reason when the system for boots it ends up on a blank screen with nothing on it
[03:17] <sinthetek> (alt+f7 show nothing, either)
[03:18] <sinthetek> any idea if this is a known problem with edgy with via integrated video or anything?
[03:18] <stdin> sinthetek: I have no clue why that happens, but, as a workaround, you can add "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" to /etc/rc.local
[03:18] <sinthetek> i cannot figure out why it would work fine when i run the kdm script but not when the system runs it itself
[03:18] <stdin> sinthetek: rc.local get run at the end of the boot sequence, so it should work
[03:18] <sinthetek> stdin: true that
[03:18] <genii2> jann The original intent of putting lm-sensors   and so on was to vary the cpu fan, yes?
[03:19] <jann> genii2: right
[03:19] <sinthetek> yeah... unless it needs to be input from a tty or something maybe
[03:19] <sinthetek> :P
[03:19] <sinthetek> that is the only diff really i can think between system running it and a user running it
[03:19] <genii2> jann So let me search for some suitable other method. AFK a short while
[03:19] <jann> ok, thanks a lot
[03:19] <sinthetek> but yeah, i will try that one, i didn't think of that
[03:19] <stdin> sinthetek: next time it fails, take a look at /vat/log/Xorg.0.log for errors (before you restart kdm)
[03:19] <sinthetek> thanks
[03:20] <sinthetek> oki
[03:20] <sinthetek> i will keep that in mind as well
[03:20] <sinthetek> thanks a lot
[03:20] <stdin> good luck :)
[03:20] <Rythan> Is Kubuntu using static libraries for it's Firefox install? (Fiesty)  Or, how would I be ble to find this out?
[03:20] <stdin> Rythan: I don't know, but I doubt it, or the package would be massive
[03:21] <stdin> default for most packages it to use shared libraries
[03:21] <nikolas_> hi
[03:21] <genii2> jann Please do: sudo apt-get install powernowd
[03:21] <genii2> !powernowd
[03:21] <ubotu> powernowd: control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-1ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 24 kB, installed size 120 kB
[03:21] <Rythan> stdin: Hmmm ... trying to get something to work that relies on using the gecko engine in a tab (RSSOwl)
[03:22] <Rythan> It doesn't embed the page, but, rather opens a Firefox window
[03:22] <jann> genii2: done
[03:22] <jann> now i just start it?
[03:23] <Deez> inside Konqueror, How do I open a new page from the search bar? e.g., in Firefox, if I hold down the ALT key and then press enter inside the search bar, I would like a new tab to show up... is this possible?
[03:23] <genii2> jann I believe first we must go to /etc/default   and look for a file named powernowd   or so
[03:23] <Ace_NoOne> hmm... now that I've installed Kubuntu, I wanna show it off to a friend coming over tonight; what do I need to play videos (not sure which codec)?
[03:23] <SSJ> Deez:CTRL+Enter seems to work here.
[03:24] <genii2> jann Do you see it there? Or one obviously belonging to that program
[03:24] <Deez> SSJ, Awesome find, thank you very much!
[03:24] <jann> nope
[03:24] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:24] <Ace_NoOne> thx stdin
[03:24] <SSJ> Deez:Your welcome :)
[03:24] <Deez> :)
[03:24] <jann> genii2: do i make a file?
[03:25] <genii2> jann please put into pastebin results of:  sudo ls -ld /etc/default/*
[03:25] <jann> ok
[03:25] <genii2> jann Not quite yet but perhaps :)
[03:25] <stdin> Rythan: try searching for gecko in apt (apt-cache search gecko)
[03:25] <lupine_85> !codecs
[03:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:25] <lupine_85> depends on the video, really :D
[03:25] <Rythan> stdin: Okay
[03:26] <cap|com> Ace_NoOne: try downloading the codec package for your distribution from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html and unpack it. then read readme for further installation instructions
[03:26] <Ace_NoOne> that sounds easier :D
[03:26] <jann> genii2: http://pastebin.com/852708
[03:26] <genii2> jann Thank you i will return shortly
[03:26] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: no, it doesn't :p
[03:26] <JakubS> anybody knows if there is a video card that support h264 acceleration and hdtv output under linux?
[03:27] <Ace_NoOne> d:
[03:27] <Xbehave> !webcams
[03:27] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:28] <stdin> JakubS: you may get better luck finding an answer in ##linux than here
[03:28] <JakubS> ok, thanks
[03:28] <genii2> jann There are 3 possibly relevant files. the first 2 which begin "acpi" and the one which I would like you to pastebin the contents of, apmd
[03:28] <JakubS> i don't have too much hope though as extensive googling revealed rather sad state of things
[03:29] <JakubS> even "great" nvidia linux support is practically limited to 3d
[03:30] <cap|com> !nvidia
[03:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:31] <genii2> jann You can put the file into kate for cut/paste purposes    by        kdesu kate    then open the appropriate file
[03:31] <jann> genii2: http://pastebin.com/852711 (apmd)
[03:32] <genii2> jann thank you
[03:33] <genii2> jann Nothing to set there, it is well. Next :)   in this case acpi-support
[03:33] <Ace_NoOne> btw: whenever I boot up Kubuntu, it says "laptop lid is closed" - which obviously it ain't, cuz I can read that!
[03:33] <jann> ok
[03:34] <jann> genii2: http://pastebin.com/852714 (acpi-support)
[03:34] <genii2> jann :)
[03:36] <genii2> jann The absolute last line in that file - please change   ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=false to read instead  ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=true
[03:37] <genii2> jann Please use whichever editor in sudo or equivelent to do this
[03:37] <genii2> jann Then lastly the file acpi in the pastebin
[03:38] <jann> ok, done
[03:38] <jann> theres just acpid
[03:39] <genii2> jann Well, yes, the remaining one beginning with "acpi"
[03:39] <Ace_NoOne> in the Adept Installer, pretty much all list items are grayed out for me - why is that?
[03:39] <jann> ok ;)
[03:39] <kzs> hello
[03:39] <jann> genii2: http://pastebin.com/852717 (acpid)
[03:39] <kzs> im new in kubunut
[03:39] <kzs> kubuntu
[03:40] <binks> can anyone tell me how to change the theme once i installed beryl
[03:40] <kzs> i can't use java chat pages.
[03:40] <stdin> !java | kzs
[03:40] <ubotu> kzs: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:40] <kzs> i installed a sun java (apt-get install sun-jvaj5-jre)
[03:41] <jann> kzs: did you check http://wiki.kubuntuusers.de/Java ?
[03:41] <kzs> but the firefox can't see that.
[03:41] <nathan_> kzs -  is the java plugin in you firefox dircetory
[03:41] <jann> sorry, german...
[03:41] <genii2> jann This file looks correct. If you read the comments, you can see which features you can selectively choose. For the moment I would change the "all"  at the bottom to "fan" and then save.
[03:41] <stdin> binks: Kmenu -> Settings -> Emerald Theme Manager (or just right click the beryl icon and click Emerald Theme Manager)
[03:42] <kzs> thx i prob
[03:42] <stdin> kzs: you need to install sun-java5-plugin too
[03:42] <jann> genii2: ok, done
[03:43] <binks> i can see the themes but how do i activate one
[03:43] <nathan_> Is there away to load ndiswrapper at boot?
[03:43] <stdin> just click it, binks
[03:43] <genii2> jann a moment as I consider if other things need to be done before we attempt a reboot :)
[03:43] <binks> nothing happens
[03:44] <jann> genii2: shoul i uncomment "#MODULES="battery ac processor button fan thermal"?
[03:44] <Ace_NoOne> help! I cannot install anything because all list items in the Add/Remove dialog are grayed out
[03:44] <stdin> binks: do you have beryl running?
[03:44] <binks> stdin beryl and xgl working ok but just cant change theme doesnt change
[03:44] <kzs> yes you are the best
[03:45] <genii2> jann No, do not uncomment that line. Merely change the word "all" to read "fan" in the uncommented line just below there
[03:45] <jann> ok
[03:45] <binks> yes the effects work and cube rotates
[03:45] <stdin> binks: try double clicking one, when I click on one, the theme changes (takes a sec tho)
[03:46] <binks> i seem to be stuck with pink nice but not for me
[03:47] <jann> genii2: anything else or reboot?
[03:47] <genii2> jann OK, we are ready now to attempt a restart. After restart please do a :  sudo ls /proc/acpi/fan/       and report if it contains anything
[03:47] <binks> stdin no nothing happens trust me lol
[03:48] <stdin> binks: what version of beryl have you got?
[03:48] <stdin> and where from?
[03:48] <jann> genii2: ok, reboot
[03:49] <binks> stdin how do i find that out
[03:49] <genii2> !gkrellm
[03:49] <ubotu> gkrellm: The GNU Krell Monitors. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.9-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 733 kB, installed size 2060 kB
[03:49] <stdin> binks: in konsole type "beryl --version"
[03:49] <binks> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[03:50] <pete_> hi
[03:50] <binks> core 0.1.4
[03:50] <pete_> how d I shutdown xserver
[03:50] <pete_> do*
[03:50] <binks> ctr alt backspace
[03:50] <binks> sorry stopx
[03:51] <pete_> what!? no term command! thankyou!
[03:51] <stdin> pete_: what do you want to shutdown X for?
[03:52] <pete_> to install gfx driver
[03:52] <jann> genii2: doesnt contain anything
[03:52] <stdin> binks: that's was the version I had (before i got 0.1.5) it worked here
[03:53] <genii2> jann OK, thank you. I need to think again now LOL
[03:53] <jann> :)
[03:53] <stdin> pete_: logout, then in the menu on the login screen, choose "Restart X server"
[03:53] <stdin> easy :p
[03:54] <pete_> thanks
[03:54] <genii2> jann does ls /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/     produce any result?
[03:54] <jann> nope :(
[03:55] <genii2> jann Please pastebin results of  ls -lR /proc/acpi
[03:55] <binks> ok biab need to take kids to grandads for night looooool beer beeer
[03:56] <genii2> binks have one for me :)
[03:56] <jann> genii2: http://pastebin.com/852733
[03:56] <stdin> I just found a way for you to get a theme working, binks
[03:57] <stdin> timing is everything you know
[03:57] <stdin> :P
[03:59] <binks> ok still here
[03:59] <stdin> oh :)
[03:59] <binks> kids getting toys to take stdin
[03:59] <binks> ok how do i do it
[04:00] <binks> or will it take a while if so ill do it in about 15 mins when i get back
[04:00] <genii2> jann please do: sudo apt-get install acpitool
[04:00] <stdin> binks: just copy the theme to ~/.emerald/theme/, like this: cp /usr/share/emerald/themes/Pinx/* ~/.emerald/theme
[04:00] <stdin> should then update itself
[04:00] <genii2> !acpitool
[04:00] <ubotu> acpitool: a small, convenient command-line ACPI client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-1 (edgy), package size 32 kB, installed size 128 kB
[04:00] <jann> genii2: ok, done
[04:01] <binks> cheers ill give it ago in 15 mins
[04:01] <genii2> !kpowersave
[04:01] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3216 kB, installed size 4984 kB
[04:01] <genii2> !powersave
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powersave - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <pete_> hi again, ctrl-alt-backspace seems to restart xserve, I need to shut it down to console so I can rum the nvidia gfx driver installer
[04:02] <pete_> i used a term command in ubuntu but have forget it, anyone help?
[04:02] <genii2> !info powersave
[04:02] <ubotu> Package powersave does not exist in any distro I know
[04:02] <fdoving> !info powersaved
[04:02] <ubotu> powersaved: power management daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.14.0-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 429 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[04:02] <genii2> fdoving :) ty
[04:02] <pete_> !info shutdown xserver
[04:02] <ubotu> Package shutdown does not exist in edgy
[04:02] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[04:02] <fdoving> there is also 'guidance-power-manager'
[04:03] <fdoving> !info guidance-power-manager
[04:03] <ubotu> Package guidance-power-manager does not exist in any distro I know
[04:03] <stdin> pete_: press ctrl-alt-f1 (to switch to console), login and use "sudo /etc/inti.d/kdm stop" to stop the X server (replace stop with start to restart it)
[04:03] <fdoving> !info kde-guidance-powermananger
[04:03] <ubotu> Package kde-guidance-powermananger does not exist in any distro I know
[04:03] <pete_> stdin; thanks mate
[04:03] <stdin> :)
[04:03] <genii2> fdoving I am having some time with cpu fan control on jann's machine thru acpi so far
[04:03] <fdoving> genii2: ok.
[04:05] <genii2> jann Did you have previously say Windows XP which properly tuned the fan?
[04:05] <genii2> (trying to know if bios acpi or so is active)
[04:06] <jann> actually i think it was working (more or less) with kubuntu. since a couple of days it doesnt stop
[04:06] <jann> in win xp i'm not sure.
[04:06] <claudius> hi... is here somewhere a german channel?
[04:06] <lupine_85> !de
[04:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:06] <genii2> !de
[04:06] <jann> i think it was on a lot, but not always
[04:06] <claudius> THX
[04:07] <genii2> jann OK, please edit with sudo privelege the /etc/default/acpid   file and revert to "all" the line which was changed to "fan"
[04:08] <pete_> that kdm stop command said command not found, perhaps I did not copy correctly? Any chance you could repete?
[04:08] <jann> ok genii2
[04:08] <stdin> pete_: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:08] <genii2> jann 1 moment please I need to look for something
[04:09] <pete_> ah init, not inti.. opps
[04:09] <jann> ok, i'll wait
[04:09] <pete_> thanks again
[04:09] <stdin> np
[04:10] <genii> locate drivers/acpi
[04:10] <genii> Bah wrong console
[04:12] <pete_> the installer says it needs the gcc package, how do I get this?
[04:12] <genii> <-- genii/genii2 jann pls do:   sudo updatedb && locate drivers/acpi |grep fan and tell if a result :)
[04:13] <genii> <- going to other box as genii2
[04:13] <stdin> pete_: install build-essential
[04:14] <stdin> from adept or apt-get
[04:14] <jann> genii: /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko
[04:14] <genii2> jann Sorry if confusing, I have 2 computers here and on this channel with both, but they are spaced far apart in the office
[04:14] <pete_> thanks
[04:14] <stdin> np
[04:14] <jann> ok, np
[04:16] <genii2> jann pls now:  sudo lsmod |grep fan
[04:16] <Deez> is it possible to configure shortcuts in Konqueror against my mouse?
[04:16] <jann> genii2: fan 6020 1
[04:18] <genii2> jann So it seems that the low-level hardware drivers for the power management are ok, and that for instance the fan driver is loaded currently.
[04:18] <jann> ok, good :)
[04:19] <genii2> jann Please do a sudo ls /proc/acpi/fan/* and report if anything
[04:19] <pete_> I typed "install build-essential" and it says "mssing destination file operand after 'build-essential'"
[04:20] <jann> genii2: ls: /proc/acpi/fan/*: No such file or directory
[04:20] <stdin> pete_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:20] <sitwa> who
[04:21] <genii2> jann I would say it is not finding a fan in particular that it knows about, even though the driver is loaded
[04:21] <jann> thats strange
[04:21] <genii2> jann At this point 2 fans should be present in that dir ... 1 for cpu and 1 for chassis
[04:22] <jann> i.e. it cant comunicate with the fans?
[04:22] <genii2> jann Yes, all the appropriate low-level drivers are in place and so on but it cannot see anything on the system it recognises as a fan
[04:23] <genii2> (specifically on the acpi subsystem)
[04:23] <jann> hmm, any ideas?
[04:23] <genii2> jann I am considering :)
[04:24] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help me with D-Link Wireless Card please?  It is not detected
[04:26] <genii2> jann Well, at this point I am thinking some power management frontend stuff as I was looking at previously may give some direct way. For instance  some program as kpowersaved or gkrellm
[04:30] <jann> genii2: but kpowersafe is just for the power control right? i think it has nothing to do with the fan.
[04:31] <yotux> Sory i am new to KDE how do I enable screensavers
[04:31] <genii2> jann Well, normally for instance you would desire to throttle the fan when cpu is cool and boost fan when cpu is hot for instance, which would be set through such program as one mentioned above
[04:31] <jann> yotux: right click on desktop -> configure desktop (or something like that)
[04:32] <genii2> jann also other things such as temperature thresholds on cpu for turning fan on/off and when to throttle cpu itself and other things of this nature generally useful to conserve battery life on a laptop
[04:32] <yotux> jann -- Thank you for some reason I thought that is would be under system settings
[04:33] <jann> no problem yotux
[04:33] <stdin> yotux: it's there too
[04:34] <yotux> I didn't see it i did look around a lot
[04:34] <stdin> system settings > desktop
[04:34] <stdin> then un screensaver
[04:34] <stdin> in*
[04:34] <yotux> Makes sense i was looking under look and feel for some gui Icon
[04:34] <yotux> Thankz for the help everyone
[04:35] <stdin> you're welcome yotux
[04:35] <jann> genii2: i tried sensors-detect again and now it gives me two devices: i2c-i801 and eeprom
[04:35] <yotux> I'm running fiesty to learn how to fix ubuntu the hard way
[04:35] <buz> hi
[04:36] <stdin> feisty is being quite stable for me
[04:36] <buz> my katapult stupped working all of sudden
[04:36] <yotux> Same here
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> How do we start PCMCIA in Ubuntu?
[04:36] <buz> it's still loaded and appears in tray, but doesnt react to alt-space anymore
[04:36] <yotux> the network managaer doesn't Work for me :(
[04:36] <genii2> jann Alright, just for fun, add to the bottom of /etc/modules, each on it's own line and in this order:      i2c-i801       and then of course       eeprom
[04:36] <buz> superkirbyartist: should load automatically when you pop in a card
[04:36] <genii2> (kdesu or equiv of course)
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> buz well it doesn't
[04:37] <buz> what does dmesg say
[04:37] <genii2> jann Also please do sudo lsmod | i2c-i801
[04:37] <genii2> as well same but ...| eeprom
[04:37] <stdin> grep ^^^
[04:37] <genii2> sorry, |yes, I need caffeine :)
[04:38] <jann> genii2: do i leave i2c-proc in /etc/modules?
[04:38] <genii2> stdin Thanks
[04:38] <stdin> :)
[04:38] <genii2> jann No, please remove it
[04:38] <jann> genii2: bash: i2c-i801: command not found
[04:39] <stdin> jann: add grep after the |
[04:39] <jann> ok
[04:39] <genii2> jann Yes, I know, please adjust to    sudo lsmod | grep i2c-i801
[04:39] <stdin> and before i2c-i801 and eeprom
[04:39] <jann> done
[04:39] <genii2> jann I am tired and stdin is quality-control manager LOL
[04:40] <stdin> heh
[04:40] <genii2> jann Did that command show as with fan a result?
[04:40] <jann> no, it didnt show nothing
[04:40] <fuel> hi how do i add dvd repository in adept manager?
[04:40] <jann> :)
[04:41] <fuel> i am using kubuntu 6.10
[04:41] <genii2> jann OK, then please do:  sudo modprobe i2c-i801
[04:41] <jann> genii2, stdin: sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools ?
[04:41] <jann> ok
[04:41] <jann> genii2: done (wirh eeprom too)
[04:41] <genii2> did this complete with success?
[04:42] <genii2> Ah, good :)
[04:42] <jann> didnt say anything
[04:42] <angasule> is there a kubunt-dev channel?
[04:42] <genii2> jann Now... does again    sudo ls /proc/acpi/fan/*      have any result?
[04:43] <jann> genii2: ls: /proc/acpi/fan/*: No such file or directory (still)
[04:43] <chuen> Hi. My sound card is working OK, but I can't play any MP3's in any of the media players (( can play tracks from a CD in drive though). Any clues please?
[04:43] <pete_> how do I install kernel sourse code?
[04:43] <fdoving> !mp3 | chuen
[04:43] <fuel> how do i add dvd repositories in kubuntu ?
[04:43] <ubotu> chuen: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[04:43] <stdin> fuel: open konsole (Kmenu -> System -> Konsole) and type in "sudo apt-cdrom add"
[04:43] <chuen> thx obuto
[04:43] <jann> genii2: would sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools be the next step?
[04:44] <genii2> jann I am beginning to get frustrated at this point :)
[04:44] <stdin> fuel: you'll need to enter you password, and make sure you have the CD/DVD in the drive
[04:44] <jann> i'm sorry, its ok if you wanna stop...
[04:44] <genii2> jann Well, it is as good as any other thing I imagine, to try at this stage
[04:44] <fdoving> jann, genii2, what is the problem? (short version)
[04:45] <pete_> stdin: how do I install kernel sourse code?
[04:45] <yotux> Have another question is there a way to install nvida drivers from source
[04:45] <genii2> fdoving He can't control the fan on his laptop from running full tilt all the time
[04:45] <fuel> well its scanning the disk.............do i need to do this every time i want to install from the dvd?
[04:45] <fuel> stdin : thanks :)
[04:45] <fdoving> genii2: what laptop?
[04:45] <stdin> pete_: either search for "linux-source" in adept, or just: sudo apt-get install linux-source
[04:45] <pete_> thankyou so much
[04:46] <genii2> fdoving What make/model you mean?
[04:46] <fdoving> genii2: yes.
[04:46] <genii2> fdoving You know, it escaped me to ask
[04:46] <jann> fdoving: well, i dont really know, its mixed stuff
[04:46] <stdin> fuel: that just adds the dvd to the list of package sources, adept will use the dvd when it can now
[04:46] <fuel> stdin : ok :)
[04:46] <jann> it says "sarasota"
[04:47] <fdoving> jann: can you please post the output of the two console commands 'lshw' and 'lspci' to http://rafb.net/paste ?
[04:47] <genii2> fdoving I'll take this opportunity to go grab a coffee and return :)
[04:48] <jann> fdoving: sure
[04:48] <genii2> jann I will be back
[04:48] <stdin> jann: you may have to install lshw
[04:49] <jann> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/ErodJu98.html (lshw)
[04:50] <jann> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/6QOROZ92.html (lspci)
[04:50] <Xbehave> if u have windows drivers for a device can you do anything to help it work under Kubuntu?
[04:53] <stdin> Xbehave: afaik you can only do that for a wireless card using ndiswrapper, and only on some. not other hardware
[04:53] <Xbehave> thx
[04:53] <hanso> hey. I tried gentoo and there was a program where I could login with another user in a window when currently logged on as another user. anyone know of the program?
[04:54] <ayeizajedi> evening all
[04:55] <stdin> hanso: you mean like xserver-xephyr ?
[04:55] <stdin> !info xserver-xephyr
[04:55] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr: Nested X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 1463 kB, installed size 3768 kB
[04:56] <ayeizajedi> i have a inspiron 9400 with ati mobility x1400, cant get the resolution correct (currently at 1024x768) or the 3D, anyone able to help ?
[04:56] <hanso> stdin: no it was a simple name like Xterm (I know that's another prog)
[04:57] <stdin> hanso: it's xnest, but xserver-xephyr is a replacement for it, tho you can still use xnest
[04:57] <fdoving> jann: can you also provide the output of 'lsmod' ?
[04:58] <jann> sure
[04:58] <pete_> the nvidia driver install says even ater I apt-get install linux-source, it cannot find the source tree for my currently installed kernel?!
[04:58] <stdin> !info xnest
[04:58] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[04:58] <jann> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/ZoHsHz21.html (lsmod)
[04:59] <ayeizajedi> !ati
[04:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:59] <ayeizajedi> does the howto ^^ work for ati mobility cards ?
[04:59] <lupine_85> pete_: you want linux-headers
[04:59] <stdin> pete_: you don't need the whole source for that, just install linux-headers
[05:00] <pete_> ahh, thanks guys
[05:00] <fuel> is kdevelop not included with the kubuntu dvd ?
[05:00] <lupine_85> !info kdevelop edgy
[05:00] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[05:01] <lupine_85> hm, probably not
[05:01] <lupine_85> one wonders why it isn't in main
[05:01] <lupine_85> *buntu has far too little emphasis on developers :/
[05:01] <stdin> fuel: no, it's in the universe repository, and the DVD only has the main repository
[05:01] <fuel> well suse distributes kde development files with the dvd
[05:01] <fuel> oh
[05:01] <fdoving> jann: what speed is it running at? (cat /proc/cpuinfo)
[05:02] <fuel> so it is to be installed online?
[05:02] <stdin> yes
[05:02] <fuel> well qt designer is provided with the dvd
[05:02] <fuel> ok
[05:02] <jann> fdoving: cpu MHz: 600.000
[05:02] <fdoving> jann: so, cpu is running at the lowest possible speed, with the fan at full speed.
[05:03] <jann> seems so
[05:03] <pete_> "linux headers has no installation candidate"? I remeber somthing about uname-r or somthing
[05:03] <stdin> pete_: try: sudo apt-get install linux-heders-`uname -r`
[05:03] <fdoving> jann: what does 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points' return?
[05:03] <pete_> :D
[05:03] <stdin> had that ready just in case :p
[05:03] <pete_> lol
[05:03] <chuen> Hi, I can't locate libxine-extracodecs in Adept. Should it be there by default?
[05:04] <pete_> *bows down in wanes world not worthy guesture*
[05:04] <stdin> !mp2 | chuen
[05:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:04] <stdin> !mp3 | chuen
[05:04] <ubotu> chuen: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:04] <jann> fdoving: i think i managed to configure lm-sensors (with sensors-detect). but sensors gives me "Can't access procfs/sysfs file"
[05:04] <jann> fdoving: No such file or directory
[05:04] <chuen>  what's "!mp3 | chuen" ?
[05:05] <stdin> chuen: it gives you the link that tell you how to install codecs
[05:05] <Minataku> Morning, genii2
[05:05] <Minataku> lol
[05:05] <Jucato> :O
[05:06] <stdin> chuen: you need to enable multiverse before you can install libxine-extracodecs
[05:06] <Jucato> there are 2 genii's?
[05:06] <chuen> I'm being dumb, stdin, but where do I enter that?
[05:06] <Minataku> At the moment there are
[05:06] <chuen> in shell?
[05:06] <genii2> fdoving for anything other than /proc/apci/fan   to have some valid things, he needs to rehup since in /etc/default/apcid   I had him put only at first a safe setting of "fan" instead of "all". It has been reverted now to "all" but no restart of that subsystem etc
[05:06] <Jucato> !multiverse | chuen
[05:06] <ubotu> chuen: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:07] <genii2> Minataku Good morning :)
[05:07] <chuen> ok I'll read.
[05:07] <chuen> rtfm
[05:07] <chuen> :)
[05:07] <stdin> now genii/genii2 is back, it's time for me to get some coffee :p
[05:07] <chuen> Gotta start somewhere and all that.
[05:08] <genii2> Jucato I have 2 computers spaced far apart here, one is a no gui server, which is genii then this windoze box so that i can use FF easily etc and as genii2 here :)
[05:08] <Jucato> aaah
[05:08] <Jucato> thought one was a clone
[05:08] <Jucato> err.. I mean ghost :)
[05:09] <genii> Jucato Nope
[05:09] <genii2> :)
[05:09] <Jucato> :P
[05:09] <jann> genii, fdoving: i'm getting tired. are you still thinkin about that problem? if not, i might leave...
[05:09] <pete_> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -r' gave an error; "cannot find package 'uname -r'. did I copy the command properly?
[05:10] <lupine_85> pete: ` not '
[05:10] <lupine_85> if you can't tell the difference, use $(uname -r)
[05:10] <pete_> ` thanks
[05:10] <genii2> jann I have just returned. To make the changes done in the /etc/default/acpid   file to take effect I would please ask to reboot and return here one last time
[05:11] <fdoving> jann: i'm thinking.. but i suggest comming back once someone with a centrino laptop is around to help, I don't have any similar hardware to test on. that leaves me to searching google.
[05:11] <genii2> jann If you feel too tired that is OK, I understand
[05:11] <genii2> fdoving Yes, I;m in a similar boat
[05:11] <jann> genii2: ok, ill reboot and come back
[05:11] <genii2> jann Thank you :)
[05:11] <jann> thank _you_ :)
[05:11] <fdoving> jann: i did however find https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/1174
[05:12] <fdoving> they have the same problem.
[05:12] <fdoving> looks like..
[05:12] <fdoving> I can control the fan-trigger temps as parameters to the module controlling the fan.
[05:12] <jann> fdoving: found that too, but i dont even get to the point of having the temperature displayed...
[05:13] <fdoving> not sure how that works on centrinos.
[05:13] <jann> ok, reboot
[05:13] <fuel> how do i install kdevelop ??
[05:13] <fuel> through repositories.......i mean
[05:13] <genii2> fdoving there is here :  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41927    where there is a short script to force values to those areas, but he has not the thermal zone subdirs in /proc/apci   and so on
[05:14] <stdin> fuel: you need to enable the universe repository
[05:14] <stdin> !universe | fuel
[05:14] <ubotu> fuel: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:15] <genii2> fdoving And that the pastebins which you had him do showed nowhere there be some obvious apci device on the bus leads me to think somehow it has been reset possiobly in bios
[05:16] <stdin> genii2: when you're on your win box, do you use shh to access the linux one, or just run across to it?
[05:16] <genii2> stdin both LOL
[05:16] <stdin> :p
[05:17] <jann> genii2, fdoving: what was i gonna do now?
[05:17] <genii2> stdin I am using ssh to run the things i am working on and then go over to the other to do menial crap like type in the irc screen, do some apt-cahe search and so on
[05:18] <fuel> i enabled universal repositories.........yet adept does not get any results
[05:18] <stdin> genii2: you can use screen to open the ssh session on the win box, and you can use apt-cache over ssh too :p
[05:18] <genii2> jann Well, my current hope is that the changes made to /etc/default/apcid   along with insertion of various modules to the /etc/modules has let the system understand the cpu has a temperature control region and that a fan is attached LOL
[05:19] <jann> :)
[05:19] <jann> how do i check that again?
[05:19] <fdoving> fuel: did you update the packages index?
[05:19] <genii2> jann Sooooo ... to the old     ls /proc/acpi/fan/*
[05:19] <stdin> fuel: did you update adept after, by clicking on the "Fetch Updates" button ?
[05:19] <jann> genii2: nope...
[05:20] <stdin> jann: have you tried using the sensors-detect command to detect the hardware monitoring  chips?
[05:20] <fdoving> jann: what about 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature' ?
[05:21] <genii2> jann OK. how about ls /proc/apci/thermal_zone
[05:21] <genii2> fdoving Heh :)
[05:21] <jann> fdoving: nope, neither...
[05:21] <jann> genii2: nope
[05:21] <jann> :(
[05:22] <genii2> jann As I was speculating to fdoving during your reboot, since all the system queries that were pastebinned show no sign of some acpi device, I am beginning to think that somehow in the bios of the machine it got reset somehow. Eg: dying cmos battery or some other way
[05:23] <jann> ok, that sounds like it sucks
[05:23] <fdoving> genii2: well.. the cpu needs to support acpi, it's not a separate device. 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' - look for acpi in the flags row.
[05:24] <jann> genii2, fdoving: this is the sensors-detect output: http://pastebin.com/852781
[05:24] <fdoving> jann: can you also provide the output of 'dmesg' - when you're at it.
[05:25] <genii2> At any rate, I do not believe it would do any harm to enter your bios if you know the key combo and check for some setting like that.
[05:26] <jann> http://pastebin.com/852784 (dmesg)
[05:27] <fdoving> jann: also, in therminal go to /proc/acpi, and do a 'ls', is there anything at all?
[05:28] <jann> fdoving: alarm  dsdt  embedded_controller  event  fadt  fan  info  power_resource  processor  sleep  thermal_zone  wakeup
[05:29] <genii2> fdoving Well, he has the skeleton dirs that /etc/apcid and related ones create. but not populated
[05:29] <fdoving> jann: can you go into themal_zone dir, and do 'ls' ?
[05:29] <genii2>  rather /etc/default/apcid  and so on
[05:30] <jann> nothing in there
[05:31] <jann> guys, i think i'll give up for the moment. i have some stuff to do
[05:31] <fuel> here is my sources.list . Please tell me if anything is wrong with it....... i am trying to install kdevelop :( http://pastebin.com/852788
[05:31] <jann> thanks a lot, youre really pacient...
[05:31] <genii2> jann I think during the second part of sensors-detect  the option Selective instead of YES may be more productive
[05:31] <fdoving> jann: ok, as i suggested, please come back sometime when someone with a similar processor is around. i'm useless at these things.
[05:31] <jann> genii2: then i'm asked for stuff i dont know...
[05:32] <jann> ok fdoving, thanks
[05:32] <genii2> jann Ah, OK then :)
[05:32] <vidar_> so guys, were is the embedded terminal in Konq? I miss it so much :(
[05:32] <constantine-xvi> would anyone know if amaroK works with MTP players?
[05:32] <jann> bye!
[05:32] <vidar_> and the "Go" menu
[05:32] <fdoving> fuel: nothing wrong with it. 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kdevelop'
[05:33] <fdoving> vidar_: i belive 'f8' is set to open the terminal. atleast I have it set to that.. not 100% sure if that's the default or not.
[05:33] <JosefK> vidar_: F4
[05:33] <genii2> Damn and I was getting ready for round 3 with the apci :)
[05:33] <genii2> Fresh coffee n everything
[05:33] <JosefK> ohh, F8 for embedded, F4 for external
[05:34] <fdoving> vidar_: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[05:34] <vidar_> JosefK: not open terminal window, I meant the embedded terminal like is in Kate
[05:34] <JosefK> vidar_: indeed, F8 for that
[05:34] <vidar_> thanks
[05:34] <stdin> vidar_: there is one in kate
[05:36] <vidar_> stdin: I know, and in my own compiled version of kde had a button to access the embedded terminal in konq as well, and it had a "Go" menu list
[05:36] <stdin> well Kubuntu != stock KDE
[05:36] <genii2> Anyone used preseed files to do automated installs? The examples in mine when uncommented to create a default user and so on do not take.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> The KUBUNTU faq mentions some profiles/options to get kubuntu more like the stock kde.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> and theres some packages in the repos also that add in some of the default kde stuff also.
[05:37] <fdoving> vidar_: that's the link i gave you. http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[05:37] <vidar_> we would kubuntu remove very useful interface features? I thought it was meant to be userfriendly
[05:38] <vidar_> fdoving: yes thank you
[05:38] <genii2> While i realize that a late_command   solution may be able to do this, I want to dynamically alter the created usernames from the dhcp server into the preseed incrementing them in a sane fashion
[05:38] <BluesKaj> how does one get java to work in FF ? , there's no *.so file that i can use in the FFplugins
[05:38] <Dr_willis> i have a 'go' menu list item. :)
[05:39] <StingRay> Hi. Can somebody tell me if rc.local is executed by root?
[05:39] <stdin> BluesKaj: install sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin
[05:39] <Dr_willis> now the menus seem a bit cluttered with the extra stuff heh.
[05:39] <fuel> 27% [Connecting to archive.canonical.com (1.0.0.0)]  [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)] 
[05:39] <stdin> StingRay: yes
[05:39] <fuel> i am getting this while trying sudo apt-get update
[05:39] <StingRay> Thank you, stdin!
[05:39] <fuel> 1.0.0.0 ?
[05:39] <genii2> Ip of 1.0.0.0 indicates DNS error
[05:39] <fuel> damn
[05:39] <BluesKaj> stdin, I installed the jre
[05:40] <vidar_> I stoped using konq as the the web browser of choice after I switched to kubuntu
[05:40] <stdin> BluesKaj: and the sun-java5-plugin package ??
[05:40] <genii2> fuel Is your IP on that box statically assigned or dhcp?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> is the plugin part od jre ?
[05:40] <stdin> BluesKaj: yes
[05:40] <fuel> its not dhcp........ i suppose i am in a lan.......
[05:41] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's not in the jre package
[05:41] <fuel> behind NAT
[05:41] <BluesKaj> ok stdin , thx I'll check it out
[05:41] <genii2> fuel You need to then put at least temporarily in /etc/resolv.conf   some sort of nameserver    entry
[05:42] <stdin> BluesKaj: all you have to do is install sun-java5-plugin package, the restart FF, and it will work :)
[05:42] <genii2> fuel Since it seems unable to locate one or it was not assigned at the time the network info was entered
[05:42] <fuel> ok ok i will configure it
[05:42] <stdin> fuel: dose your NAT assign your IP address, or is it static?
[05:43] <fuel> it is static
[05:43] <fuel> and i also have my nameserver ips
[05:43] <vidar_> klik://skype does this work in your setup?
[05:43] <stdin> fuel: you can set up the nameservers in system settings
[05:44] <fuel> ok i will do it
[05:44] <genii2> or just insert them to /etc/network/interfaces in the appropriate section of whatever adapter it's using
[05:44] <BluesKaj> yup, stdin just dl'd it , gonna install now
[05:45] <stdin> vidar_: no, but I don't have klik installed
[05:45] <stdin> vidar_: besides, this page tells you how to install skype https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[05:47] <Dr_willis> !info kxdocker
[05:47] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[05:47] <judgen> !info unarj
[05:47] <ubotu> Package unarj does not exist in any distro I know
[05:47] <judgen> !info arj
[05:47] <ubotu> arj: archiver for .arj files. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.10.22-2 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 480 kB
[05:48] <GrahamA> 'lo
[05:48] <judgen> god i love kde
[05:48] <judgen> soo very adaptable
[05:48] <GrahamA> Howso?
[05:48] <GrahamA> To anything in particular?
[05:48] <judgen> and so very customizable
[05:48] <GrahamA> Amen.
[05:48] <powerfox> Hi! I have a problem with graphical installation. After getting cuctom disk editing (custom disk table) I have an enpty white cilinder. But kubuntu works correctly with my SATA. Now I've used edgy Live-CD
[05:49] <judgen> the ease of changing window behaviurs is a good example
[05:49] <GrahamA> powerfox: What's the problem?
[05:50] <sivaji> is there any command to stop currently runnig process
[05:50] <powerfox> I can not choose the partitions
[05:51] <powerfox> Becouse I have only empty cilinder, but not my partitions
[05:51] <eddel> Good morning.  I made the mistake of syncing my Palm under the Kontact app and now have double calendar, addressbook, ... entries.  Would be a nice excuse to play with some kde/qt and scripting bindings, but I could do with a kickstart. Is there an example somewhere about how to inspect addressbook, contacts, ... from Perl/Python/Ruby?
[05:52] <stdin> sivaji: yes, you can use the pidof command to get the PID of a precess (pidof bash), then use kill <PID> to kill it (kill 1234). or you can use killall to kill a process by name (killall bash)
[05:53] <Tido> is it me or does kde run a little faster than gnome?
[05:53] <judgen> Tido:  it does
[05:53] <stdin> KDE = da bom :p
[05:53] <judgen> uses less memory too Tido
[05:54] <Tido> good, I think I made the right choice
[05:55] <Tido> certainly looks better
[05:56] <judgen> what is the name of the graphical imagemounter for kde?
[05:56] <BluesKaj> stdin, I have to upgrade JRE to 1.5.0-10-1.1 vers , do I have to remove the older version first ?
[05:56] <powerfox> May I update my dapper from edgy descktop CD?
[05:57] <judgen> powerfox: yes
[05:57] <sivaji_> yes powerfox apt-get update
[05:57] <stdin> BluesKaj: is the update from adept?
[05:57] <stdin> powerfox: you can upgrade to edgy from the alternate CD, not the desktop one
[05:58] <BluesKaj> no I from the debian pkgs
[05:58] <genii2> !acpi_sbs
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acpi_sbs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <genii2> !acpi-sbs
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acpi-sbs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <genii2> hmm
[05:58] <BluesKaj> no stdin, from the debian pkgs
[05:59] <Tido> is beryl easy to install/uninstall?
[05:59] <lupine_85> Tido: depends :p
[05:59] <stdin> BluesKaj: then you don't need to uninstall first
[05:59] <lupine_85> see wiki.beryl-project.org
[05:59] <Polly_Morf> Anyone know what the previous nvidie-driver version number was?
[05:59] <Tido> thanks lupine_85
[05:59] <lupine_85> complexity increases dramatically if you use the fglrx drivers
[05:59] <stdin> Tido: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[05:59] <vidar_> how is it to install on intel chip?
[05:59] <BluesKaj> ok thx stdin
[06:00] <ubuntu_> how to change the default kubuntu theme to a normal one
[06:00] <stdin> I have intel intergrated, beryl with AIGLX works GREAT! :D
[06:00] <vidar_> stdin: which intel?
[06:00] <judgen> ubuntu_: just use kcontrol
[06:00] <stdin> vidar_: 845G
[06:00] <vidar_> ok
[06:00] <Schuenemann> how can I test if my microphone is working?
[06:01] <stdin> vidar_: aiglx works on any intel tho
[06:01] <ubuntu_> i don't need to use the kubuntu theme..i need to use  the kde version of theme
[06:01] <vidar_> I have 915GM
[06:01] <vidar_> ok
[06:01] <vidar_> good to know
[06:01] <stdin> vidar_: yeah, it will work fine
[06:01] <dgdh25s_> exit
[06:02] <sivaji_> i got real player 10 in home dir i want this to appear in kmenu->multimedia
[06:02] <Schuenemann> right click multimedia
[06:02] <Schuenemann> then edit
[06:02] <stdin> vidar_: if you are interested look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl for installing beryl
[06:02] <ubuntu_> will beryl work with 256 mb ram ..and..trident card
[06:03] <wimpies> Hi all.  I want to listen to a radio station who transmits from a web pagen using mms:// protocol.
[06:03] <Tido> should I use xgl or AIGLX?
[06:03] <wimpies> I am using firefox and have installaed mplayerplugin and it works but I am unable to seek in the stream.  Windows allows this.  Is there a fix ?
[06:04] <stdin> sivaji_: how to install real player: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[06:04] <vidar_> stdin: so much to do, so little time :)
[06:04] <Schuenemann> seek the stream? but isn't it real time?
[06:04] <stdin> vidar_: I know the feeling :p
[06:04] <stdin> Tido: what graphics card/chip do you have ?
[06:05] <wimpies> schuenemann : no it is a recording from an older transmission
[06:05] <vidar_> stdin: that is why I migrated to kubuntu, my job and education just didnt tolerate all the geekyness anymore
[06:05] <vidar_> :>
[06:05] <stdin> :P
[06:06] <Tido> stdin: it's a laptop with intel builtin (so obviously not great :p)
[06:06] <stdin> Tido: use AIGLX then, it's better than XGL
[06:06] <Tido> ok, thanks!
[06:06] <stdin> np :)
[06:07] <vidar_> stdin: how is your performance with all the glory?
[06:08] <stdin> vidar_: it works great, the system it slightly slower with beryl enabled, but not by much, and this PC os more than 5 years old
[06:08] <vidar_> great
[06:09] <vidar_> what the hell lets give it a shot
[06:10] <stdin> vidar_: as a tip, you can add a line line "VideoRam        65536" to the xorg.conf to get the chip to use 64MB RAM as video RAM
[06:10] <stdin> ^^ in the " Section "Device" " part
[06:11] <stdin> (you can make it less than 64MB too, 32768 is 32MB for example
[06:11] <vidar_> stdin: Thank you! I totally forgot to do that when I moved to kubuntu
[06:11] <stdin> :)
[06:13] <vidar_> xorg.conf was actually the only thing the installer didnt completely do all of the borging configurations for me
[06:14] <stdin> well I used the alternate installer, and It let me set it up as I wanted it :)
[06:15] <stdin> I think I had to change the debconf priority tho
[06:15] <stdin> !alternate
[06:15] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[06:15] <stdin> for being a good bot:
[06:16] <stdin> !botsnack
[06:16] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:16] <stdin> :)
[06:16] <vidar_> haha
[06:18] <lupine_85> "expert" my buttocks :p
[06:18] <yelonek> !help
[06:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:18] <stdin> lupine_85: you can get "expert" if you change the debconf priority
[06:18] <genii2> !ping
[06:18] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[06:19] <yelonek> !cedega
[06:19] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[06:19] <yelonek> !portwine
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about portwine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <genii2> !sherry
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sherry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <genii2> hmm
[06:20] <judgen> !info kfuseiso
[06:20] <ubotu> Package kfuseiso does not exist in any distro I know
[06:20] <judgen> gaaah
[06:21] <stdin> what's kfuseiso, something to do with fuse?
[06:21] <stdin> !fuseiso
[06:21] <ubotu> fuseiso: FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060107-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[06:21] <marco_> hi you all
[06:22] <marco_> i need help
[06:22] <stdin> with?
[06:23] <marco_> i can connect wireless without wpa, but knetworkmanager says i have no network device
[06:24] <marco_> ya know where i can dind help?
[06:24] <stdin> !wireless
[06:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:24] <marco_> thanks
[06:24] <stdin> :)
[06:24] <marco_> !wireless
[06:25] <marco_> hemm sorry but what does this: wireless! mean?
[06:25] <stdin> it asks the bot to print a message about wireless
[06:25] <Jucato> marco_: the "!" calls the bot, and the "wireless" gives you the bot's factoid on wireless
[06:26] <stdin> !bot
[06:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:26] <genii2> !botbrunch
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botbrunch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <marco_> thanks
[06:27] <genii2> !info bot
[06:27] <ubotu> Package bot does not exist in any distro I know
[06:28] <genii2> Besides "info" are there other qualifying commands?
[06:28] <marco_> !modprobe
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <genii2> !info modprobe
[06:28] <ubotu> Package modprobe does not exist in any distro I know
[06:28] <fdoving> !fishing
[06:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:28] <genii2> Ah, yes, because it is an integral part
[06:28] <Schuenemann> !abuse
[06:28] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:29] <stdin> genii2: !find works too, but other than that, I don't know
[06:29] <Schuenemann> !bot abuse
[06:29] <ubotu> Please don't play with the bots, or else... Also see !behaviour and !msgthebot
[06:29] <genii2> heh!
[06:30] <genii2> I find it odd that ubotu has no data on "modprobe"
[06:30] <stdin> modprobe isn't a package
[06:31] <genii2> marco_ At any rate, almost anything you have installed has a manual page to be displayed if you do:  man <commandthing>   eg:   man modprobe
[06:31] <genii2> stdin Yes, after the "info" request I realised
[06:31] <stdin> :)
[06:31] <marco_> #kubuntu de
[06:31] <stdin> it's in module-init-tools
[06:32] <genii2> Hmm a "!dep modprobe" sort of feauture ciould be handy
[06:32] <marco_> thanks, i was still trying with the man after the command, poor me!
[06:33] <stdin> a !whatis command could also be useful
[06:33] <genii2> Or in pseudo cpan sorta "!bundle modprobe"
[06:34] <fdoving> that's stuff users can do on the commandline.
[06:34] <judgen> anyone using kfuseiso
[06:34] <judgen> i cant compile it
[06:34] <stdin> fdoving: and they can't do apt-cache search ?
[06:34] <genii2> stdin :)
[06:34] <stdin> judgen: what is is?
[06:34] <Hassan2a> ya kelkun ?
[06:34] <Hassan2a> hello all
[06:34] <Hassan2a> my probleme http://www.picdo.net/Fichiers/b747c47514583f1e882c4f7ca8f166/capture1.png
[06:34] <judgen> stdin: its an graphical app to mount disks, like deamon tools for windows
[06:35] <fdoving> stdin: sure, but it's often handy to suggest packages to people that way.
[06:35] <Hassan2a> !fr fdoving
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr fdoving - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <fdoving> Hassan2a: i suggest going to windows and run scandisk, then try again.
[06:35] <stdin> Hassan2a: try running scandisk in windows
[06:36] <stdin> judgen: what's the error you get?
[06:36] <Hassan2a> no
[06:36] <Schuenemann> Hassan2a: you need the pipe
[06:36] <marco_> i have to remove two modules, but:
[06:36] <marco_> marco@core:~$ sudo modprobe -r ieee80211
[06:36] <marco_> Password:
[06:36] <marco_> FATAL: Module ieee80211 is in use.
[06:36] <judgen> xorg libs are not in proper directory
[06:36] <stdin> if it's a large error, use pastebin
[06:36] <judgen> StingRay:
[06:36] <Hassan2a> merde
[06:36] <judgen> stdin:
[06:37] <genii2> Hassan2a oui
[06:37] <judgen> stdin: got any ideas?
[06:37] <Hassan2a> genni dis leurs que j'ai dej fais le scandisk mais a ne marche pas
[06:37] <genii2> marco_ Why is it that you *must* remove that module????
[06:37] <marcus_> Hi I get a pci failure to allocate bridge section 7 and 8 on boot. Any idea what this means?
[06:38] <judgen> configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:38] <StingRay> judgen: ?
[06:38] <marco_> i "think" i have to install new drivers for my wifi card
[06:38] <Hassan2a> fdoving:  the scandisk don't foncion
[06:38] <genii2> <-- anglais, mes francais et terrible
[06:38] <stdin> judgen: where did you download the source from?
[06:38] <judgen> StingRay: sorry, name completion
[06:38] <judgen> kde-apps.org
[06:38] <StingRay> judgen: np
[06:38] <Hassan2a> genii2 lol
[06:38] <fdoving> judgen: get the package 'xorg-dev'
[06:38] <genii2> Hassan2a :)
[06:38] <judgen> fdoving: ok
[06:39] <marco_> i followed the wifidocs/wifihowto
[06:39] <dtg> anybody know why I don't have a Synaptics touchpad section in my xorg.conf? I want to get KSynaptics to work
[06:39] <genii2> marco_ To install new drivers for your wifi card you would do more something like "sudo modprobe <thenewnamedmodulehere>"
[06:39] <Hassan2a> grrr
[06:39] <Hassan2a> http://www.picdo.net/Fichiers/b747c47514583f1e882c4f7ca8f166/capture1.png
[06:40] <marcus_> Hi I get a pci failure to allocate bridge section 7 and 8 on boot. Any idea what this means?
[06:40] <judgen> now i get checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libra
[06:40] <judgen> ries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:40] <marco_> genii2 the module have the same name, i have no idea, i just followed the instructions in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[06:40] <Hassan2a> anyone for help me please N
[06:40] <genii2> Hassan2a There is not really a suitable way to repair NTFS filesystem from linux
[06:41] <stdin> judgen: install libqt-dev
[06:41] <Hassan2a> i have already make the scandisk but does not go
[06:41] <genii2> Hassan2a The only suitable solution is to use Windows XP or Windows 2000    etc etc   to run chkdsk
[06:42] <genii2> marco_ OK lemme go look
[06:42] <marco_> thanks alot
[06:42] <Hassan2a> gennii i have already make chfdsk /f /R
[06:43] <dtg> anybody know why I don't have a Synaptics touchpad section in my xorg.conf? I want to get KSynaptics to work
[06:43] <genii2> marco_ Did you notice in large sript at top the disclaimer of "PLEASE, PAY ATTENTION: This HowTo was intended for Hoary. If you are running a higher version of Ubuntu, please take a look here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136  "
[06:44] <stdin> !synaptics
[06:44] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[06:44] <marco_> yes, but i went to a kubuntu edgy forum and there was a redirect
[06:44] <stdin> dtg: ^^^
[06:44] <judgen> yay its compiling
[06:45] <genii2> Hassan2a chkdsk /f/R   ?
[06:45] <Hassan2a> no genii2 chkdsk h: /f /r
[06:45] <stdin> judgen: you do know you can mount a cd image without kfuseiso? just checking
[06:46] <stdin> but not in a gui that I know of
[06:46] <genii2> Hassan2a And after, a report saying clean filesystem? Or some blocks bad and so on?
[06:46] <Hassan2a> wait
[06:46] <marcus_> Hi I get a pci failure to allocate bridge section 7 and 8 on boot. Any idea what this means?
[06:47] <Hassan2a> yes
[06:47] <Hassan2a> he filesustem is clean
[06:47] <stdin> in winXP+, don't you need to restart to run checkdisk?
[06:47] <genii2> marcus_ At any rate, the link supplied eg: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136   seems to have most current instructions when I visit there.
[06:48] <genii2> stdin Yes, but it is shortened now to just chkdsk
[06:49] <genii2> Hassan2a The line in /etc/fstab  which has sda1 svp
[06:49] <Hassan2a> where ?
[06:50] <judgen> stdin: i know, just want it to work
[06:50] <genii2> Hassan2a eg:  kdesu kate      then: open /etc/fstab          in /etc/fstab  1 line will say similar: /dev/sda1 /media/sda  etcetera
[06:51] <judgen> "fuseiso imagefile target" removes the dir though
[06:51] <Hassan2a> tell me the exact line genii
[06:51] <Hassan2a> genii
[06:52] <Hassan2a> fstab ==
[06:52] <Hassan2a> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[06:52] <Hassan2a> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[06:52] <marcus_> Hi I get a pci failure to allocate bridge section 7 and 8 on boot. Any idea what this means?
[06:52] <genii2> Hassan2a Can you copy from program kate  and then paste from there to someplace?
[06:52] <genii2> !pastebin | Hassan2a
[06:52] <ubotu> Hassan2a: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:52] <Hassan2a> look
[06:52] <stdin> genii2: looks like the fstab from the live cd
[06:52] <Hassan2a> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[06:52] <Hassan2a> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[06:53] <genii2> stdin Hmm
[06:54] <Dr_willis> anyone ever noticed a problem where you cant change the wallpaper on your kde desktop?
[06:54] <stdin> nope
[06:54] <genii2> Hassan2a Complete content of /etc/fstab = "unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0"  et "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0"   ?????????????
[06:54] <Hassan2a> yes
[06:55] <Minataku> genii: The nameplate you took off the SS10, was it the one with the Sun logo? Because that's the wrong one XD
[06:55] <genii2> Minataku No, the rectangular one that has the model name etc
[06:56] <Minataku> genii2: Weird... mine has it's hole behind the EMI shielding
[06:56] <Minataku> genii2: Sorry about that XD
[06:56] <Hassan2a> geniiiii
[06:56] <Hassan2a> http://www.picdo.net/Fichiers/628c691d2b9334ac7f027e434018b941/capture1.png
[06:56] <judgen> stdin: fuseiso does not mount my images, and it just creates hidden files in the directryof choise, is there another app to mount with?
[06:57] <stdin> judgen: mount will do it
[06:57] <judgen> stdin: ok...
[06:57] <stdin> judgen: sudo mount -t iso9660 /path/to/image.iso /path/to/mount/to -o loop
[06:57] <stdin> or
[06:58] <stdin> sudo mount -t iso9660 /path/to/image.iso /path/to/mount/to -o loop,uid=1000
[06:58] <judgen> stdin: thanks dude
[06:58] <stdin> :)
[06:58] <judgen> does that work on bin files too?
[06:58] <genii2> Hassan2a Kubuntu "livecd" fstab. Kubuntu seems *not installed* to HD
[06:58] <Hassan2a> no
[06:58] <Hassan2a> the live cd kubuntu isn't installed
[06:58] <Hassan2a> i want install it
[06:58] <marco_> knetworkmanager doesn't recognize my network card (no network devices found) but i'm now in internet with open wireless)
[06:59] <marco_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WifiDocs/KubuntuWPAHowTo
[06:59] <stdin> judgen: no, but you can use bchunk to convert it to iso
[07:00] <genii2> Hassan2a So for now, ignore about XP partition and install to sda2 or so
[07:01] <Hassan2a> i can't install on sda2
[07:01] <BluesKaj> stdin, unable to install java dependencies ...the vicious circle ..one depends the other to install so it can't install either one.
[07:01] <BluesKaj> prolly not worth the bother
[07:01] <stdin> BluesKaj: where did you get the new deb from?
[07:02] <judgen> stdin: what line to use with bchunk?
[07:02] <genii2> Hassan2a Make sda2 a primary partition and not an extended partition
[07:02] <genii2> Hassan2a There can be 4 primary partition
[07:03] <stdin> judgen: try bchunk imagename.bin imagename.cue
[07:03] <stdin> judgen: or bchunk imagename.bin imagename.cue imagename.iso
[07:04] <stdin> also look at 'main bchunk'
[07:04] <judgen> stdin: allready figured it out
[07:04] <stdin> :)
[07:04] <marco_> hello
[07:04] <BluesKaj> it's ok stdin , i found some debian pkges  , i guess they don't work ...got stuff to do ...later
[07:05] <stdin> as long as you don't dump it to /dev/stdin genii2  :p
[07:05] <genii2> more like /dev/null
[07:07] <judgen> =( rune does not work....
[07:07] <judgen> Couldn't run Rune (rune-bin). Is RUNE_DATA_PATH set?
[07:07] <genii2> Hassan2a Is install progressing?
[07:08] <genii2> hmm something like setenv $RUNE_WHATEVER=/somewhere/thefile/ma/be
[07:08] <Hassan2a> non it doesn't want
[07:09] <Hassan2a> genii2: i am here http://www.siteduzero.com/uploads/fr/files/50001_51000/50364.png
[07:09] <genii2> Hassan2a "Modifier manueallement"
[07:10] <Hassan2a> genii2 are you sure ?
[07:10] <ryantmer> How can I fix my user path settings?
[07:10] <ryantmer> (This apparently may be the reason why my intsalled programs don't run)
[07:10] <judgen> genii2: setenv command not found
[07:10] <genii2> Hassan2a Yes. Then when it shows what partitions... ignore sda1 entirely. Do not say a mount point or anything.
[07:10] <marco_> bye bye thankyuo all for your time
[07:11] <stdin> ryantmer: what dose "echo $PATH" show?
[07:11] <genii2> Hassan2a Use sda2 (or so) for /
[07:11] <Hassan2a> euh
[07:11] <stdin> judgen: just use "RUNE_WHATEVER=/somewhere/thefile/ma/be"
[07:11] <stdin> no setenv or $
[07:12] <genii2> stdin The coredump may have started LOL :)
[07:12] <ryantmer> stdin: It shows a bunch of paths, separated by colons, the first of which is "/usr/local/sbin"
[07:12] <stdin> heh :)
[07:12] <stdin> ryantmer: dose it have /usr/bin in it?
[07:12] <ryantmer> Yup
[07:12] <ryantmer> 4th one
[07:13] <stdin> what program can't you start then? and do you know where it is?
[07:14] <ryantmer> I can't start Thunderbird, Gaim or Alvaro's Messenger
[07:14] <Jucato> export PATH=/my/path:$PATH
[07:14] <ryantmer> Well, they start... they just don't finish, ie they appear in the taskbar for a bit, but after about 10 seconds, they disappear
[07:14] <genii2> Jucato thx had setenv mixed up with export
[07:14] <Hassan2a> genii2:  look http://www.picdo.net/Fichiers/3fdb3e038961190a44ef5b119efd969e/capture4.png
[07:15] <stdin> ryantmer: if they start, then it's not a path problem
[07:15] <yotux> Does anyone know if there are any mirrors for fiesty updates?
[07:16] <stdin> yotux: most (if not all) of the normal ubuntu mirrors will work
[07:16] <Minataku> Bizarre... anything but sending a BREAK seems to lock up the SS10 and/or my terminal :|
[07:16] <Jucato> yotux: they don't setup mirrors until the release, afaik
[07:17] <yotux> i am asking becasuse I am testing fiesty and downloading at 23.9k
[07:17] <ryantmer> stdin: Hmm... okay, thanks. (at least eliminates one of the possibilities :D )
[07:17] <Jucato> yotux: maybe the guys in #ubuntu+1 would know better
[07:17] <yotux> ok I check that put thanks
[07:18] <stdin> yotux: what mirror do you normally use?
[07:18] <genii2> Hassan2a numero2 = delete  numero4 = delete    then: create new sda2 ~>   8Gb or so (as you prefer)  then make sda2 mount /   For now, no swap is neccesary
[07:19] <stdin> Jucato: the normal mirrors will work, they all just sync with the main ubutnu archive
[07:19] <Hassan2a> genii2 i delete number 2 and 4 ?
[07:19] <genii2> Hassan2a Yes
[07:19] <Hassan2a> why ?
[07:19] <Jucato> stdin: for feisty?
[07:19] <stdin> Jucato: yes
[07:20] <stdin> for example http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[07:20] <stdin> has feisty in it
[07:20] <genii2> Hassan2a delete 2 because: currently sda2 = type "extended"   "extended" partition no good for /
[07:20] <Jucato> stdin: afaik, the mirrors for an ubuntu+1 just all redirect to the main archives
[07:20] <genii2> Hassan2a delete 4 because then there is 1 large section to later decide how to use
[07:21] <stdin> Jucato: nope
[07:21] <stdin> :)
[07:21] <genii2> Hassan2a And as I stated, for now, no swap partition is needed
[07:21] <Jucato> I don't really know so... :(
[07:22] <stdin> all the mirrors just sync with the main one, so they are all the same
[07:22] <fdoving> Jucato: what stdin says is correct. syncs every ~6 hours or so.
[07:23] <Jucato> fdoving: oh ok :)
[07:23] <Jucato> 2 vs 1 I loose... got it
[07:23] <judgen> stdin: still fails
[07:24] <stdin> judgen: what is it you are trying to run?
[07:24] <ryantmer> What is the default directory that programs get installed to?
[07:24] <judgen> rune
[07:24] <stdin> ryantmer: normally /usr/bin
[07:24] <stdin> judgen: and rune is? :p
[07:25] <ryantmer> Anywhere else? (more specifically, Opera)
[07:25] <stdin> ryantmer: maybe /opt then
[07:26] <ryantmer> Still no... I installed it from a .deb file, would that make a difference?
[07:27] <stdin> ryantmer: do 'dpkg --listfiles opera |less' to see where all the files are
[07:27] <ryantmer> Oh, nvm (search >_>)
[07:27] <judgen> stdin: a game about a viking
[07:27] <ryantmer> Thanks
[07:28] <stdin> judgen: have you installed it, and if so, how did you?
[07:29] <genii2> Hmm no recent screen captures of installation screens to go look at. I wonder if no news is good news
[07:29] <ryantmer> Too weird. Now Fifefox, which I also installed, works, but I have to run the .desktop file.
[07:29] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[07:29] <stdin> !ask
[07:29] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:30] <damien_karras> what should I ask?
[07:30] <stdin> !ops
[07:30] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO
[07:31] <Jucato> stdin: yep?
[07:31] <Jucato> oh
[07:31] <nalioth> damien_karras: please be civil
[07:31] <stdin> can someone re-ban this this guy
[07:31] <stdin> :p
[07:31] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[07:31] <nalioth> stdin: if he does something to merit it, yes
[07:31] <nalioth> damien_karras: so ask
[07:32] <stdin> nalioth: he was here earlier, just saying "what should I ask" over and over
[07:32] <nalioth> stdin: yes, i know.
[07:33] <andreasw> why is the console font kubuntu uses different from ubuntu
[07:33] <stdin> judgen?
[07:33] <damien_karras> I want to ask a question
[07:33] <Hassan2a> bon bon
[07:33] <nalioth> damien_karras: ask or remain silent, please
[07:33] <damien_karras> nalioth sucks
[07:33] <Jucato> damien_karras: ask you sensible question, related to kubuntu support
[07:33] <Jucato> oh you shouldn't have said that...
[07:34] <stdin> andreasw: because kde uses a different font, you can change it in konsoles settings
[07:34] <ikonia> naloith I did warn you - please remove him from #ubuntu too
[07:34] <andreasw> stdin: I mean the Console not Konsole
[07:34] <nalioth> ikonia: :)
[07:34] <genii2> Hassan2a So, some success?
[07:34] <andreasw> stdin: you enter it with ctrl + alt + f1 for expample
[07:34] <Hassan2a> genii2:  j haven't understand all
[07:35] <stdin> andreasw: huh, I don't know then, I've not installed ubuntu in over a year
[07:35] <Riddell> nalioth: and kick
[07:35] <Hassan2a> sen3 ?
[07:35] <Hassan2a> seb35690:  ?
[07:35] <genii2> Hassan2a My abominable french cannot be helping
[07:35] <seb35690> Hassan2a: oui
[07:36] <Hassan2a> seb35690:  demandes  genii ce que je dois faire
[07:36] <seb35690> hi genii2
[07:36] <stamen> !avahi
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <stamen> who can tell me what is this avahi?
[07:36] <Riddell> channel not syncronised?
[07:36] <stamen> for what is used
[07:36] <genii2> seb35690 Hello :)
[07:36] <stamen> ?
[07:36] <Riddell> Jucato: can you kick him?
[07:36] <seb35690> genii2: i'm the interpreter for Hassan2a
[07:37] <Jucato> Riddell: done
[07:37] <Riddell> Jucato: thanks
[07:37] <Jucato> Riddell: np :)
[07:37] <genii2> seb35690 Great. He is installing kubuntu. the installer believes sda1 is corrupt. XP is on there. XP says that drive is OK
[07:38] <seb35690> genii2: ok, what should he do ?
[07:39] <genii2> seb35690 The next partitions are sda2 and sda5. sda2 is set to "extended" partition. Cannot install root / to "extended". So:  he needs to ignore sda1. He needs to remake sda2 as sda2 primary partition not extended
[07:39] <stdin> stamen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToZeroconf  << avahi info
[07:39] <seb35690> genii2: ok, wait a moment
[07:40] <ubuntu_> ih all
[07:40] <genii2> seb35690 OK :)
[07:41] <seb35690> Hassan2a: t'es par l ?
[07:41] <Hassan2a> j'ai rpondu  ton mp
[07:41] <Hassan2a> mais comme je ne suis pas enregistr
[07:41] <saturno> it's kubuntu or ubuntu the best linux?
[07:41] <Jucato> !fr
[07:41] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:41] <stdin> saturno: well, we're gonna say kubuntu :p
[07:41] <Hassan2a> !fr
[07:41] <seb35690> Hassan2a: ok on va continuer ici
[07:41] <Hassan2a> oui
[07:42] <saturno> ..
[07:42] <andreasw> saturno: it is always personal preference what linux is best for you
[07:42] <seb35690> Hassan2a: tu ignores la partition1
[07:42] <stdin> saturno: depends on what you like best, try both
[07:42] <genii2> Jucato I would have to go there with them LOL
[07:42] <seb35690> Hassan2a: SDA1 en fait
[07:42] <andreasw> saturno: keep also in mind that there is not only ubuntu or kubuntu out there
[07:42] <Jucato> saturno: you ask in #kubuntu, you're most likely going to get a Kubuntu answer. :)
[07:42] <Hassan2a> ben c'est la plus grande
[07:42] <Hassan2a> elel fait 230go
[07:42] <Hassan2a> les autres sont petties
[07:42] <Jucato> genii2: nah, you speak English quite fine
[07:42] <saturno> sorry sorry sorry
[07:42] <seb35690> Hassan2a: tu as des donnes dessus ?
[07:43] <Jucato> saturno: no need to apologize
[07:43] <Hassan2a> oui windows
[07:43] <Jucato> Hassan2a, seb35690: please take your discussion to #kubuntu-fr. thanks
[07:43] <andreasw> I only feel that ubuntu is more tested than kubuntu
[07:43] <seb35690> Jucato: ok, sorry
[07:43] <andreasw> less bugs overall
[07:43] <genii2> seb35690 I will go to #kubuntu-fr as well to assist
[07:43] <caitlin> Any ideas on pci boot errors?
[07:43] <stdin> not im my experience, andreasw
[07:44] <Jucato> genii2: thank you. I'll remember you from now on as the #kubuntu-fr person :)
[07:44] <seb35690> genii2: ok, thanks
[07:44] <andreasw> stdin: well the thing with the font, than qparted which doesn't allow reiserfs partitions, kontact bug (doesn't keep passwords) and so on
[07:45] <Jucato> kontact doesn't keep passwords?
[07:45] <andreasw> stdin: the only reason I use kubuntu is because kde has the better applications (k3b, amarok, konqueror and so on)
[07:45] <stdin> andreasw: you can use those apps in gnome too
[07:45] <Dr_willis> i mixx and match all the desktops and apps.
[07:46] <andreasw> stdin: but than they look ugly and I have to install both libs
[07:46] <stdin> I use synaptic, because I hate adept :p
[07:46] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I thought you don't use desktop environments? BASH is the way to go, right? :P
[07:46] <Dr_willis> screen embeded in my brain
[07:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:46] <andreasw> Jucato: yes there is a bug where kontact doesn't save the passwords
[07:46] <Jucato> andreasw: you don't use kwallet?
[07:46] <Dr_willis> I had to clear out most of my .kde dir to get my wallpaper not changing  problem to get fixed..
[07:46] <Dr_willis> heh
[07:46] <andreasw> Jucato: Of course I
[07:47] <zerozero> are talking about email clients, I just started using kmail
[07:47] <zerozero> so far I am pretty happy with it
[07:47] <Jucato> andreasw: hm... ok... because mine can save passwords just fine (KMail and Akregator in Kontact)
[07:47] <andreasw> Jucato: Do you use Edgy and if yes have you upgraded it from a dapper installation?
[07:47] <Jucato> Dr_willis: most? you could have narrowed it down to the directory/file related to it :P
[07:48] <andreasw> Jucato: This bug only occurs if you freshly isntalled Kubuntu Edgy
[07:48] <inteliwasp> i am in need of linux geek opinions... my father does not want a computer to be runing 24/7 for the odd reason of "fire hazard"
[07:48] <adz21c> andreasw: i solved it by making a new wallet
[07:48] <Jucato> andreasw: yes I use fresh edgy.
[07:48] <inteliwasp> is there any way to reasure him?
[07:49] <andreasw> adz21c: yep this worked for me too but it is still a bug ^^
[07:49] <stdin> inteliwasp: I've bin running for days, with no fire
[07:49] <stdin> Uptime: 13 days, 4 hours and 24 minutes
[07:49] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: Why would he need to run it 24/7?
[07:49] <Dr_willis> Jucato, i cleaned out most of the dir the first time.. aparently it was somthing in the 'config' dir not the apps dir.
[07:49] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: If it is not in use, it is waste of electricity anyway, and that way, waste of money.
[07:49] <inteliwasp> Lynoure:  well it's in the basement and it's linux, i don't want to have to turn it on all the time
[07:50] <Jucato> Dr_willis: most probably... cleaning the config directory is a bit safer than the apps dir... which contains data as well
[07:50] <NeonLightning> i tryied installing unrar-free from adept but ark still says unrar isn't in the path what can i do?
[07:50] <Dr_willis> a pc is less of a fire hazzard then a tv. :)
[07:50] <NamShub> having an always-on server is quite nice...
[07:50] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: That means "my uptime score will suffer"?
[07:50] <inteliwasp> Lynoure:  mythtv running on it and backup
[07:50] <Minataku> Unless the PC is running soaked in motor oil and covered in oily rags
[07:50] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i cleaned that out also..  i dont have a mot of fancy settings/data other then my ktorrent dir. :) so i cleaned out everything exept for that.
[07:50] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: ah, for mythtv I understand.
[07:50] <zerozero> inteliwasp: tell him to get over his old age preconceived notions
[07:50] <Minataku> There's really no fire hazard whatsoever
[07:50] <judgen> stdin: i got it to work, damn enjoyable this game
[07:51] <StingRay> Hi. I need some urgent help. I was looking for a way to restrict both konsole and xterm. Then I moved on purpose ld-2.3.6.so. Now I cannot use the console (and newly started applications). Is there a way to fix this without a live cd?
[07:51] <Minataku> I mean, I run a LAPTOP 24/7 with no issues
[07:51] <Jucato> Dr_willis: kmail? konvi/kopete logs? :O
[07:51] <stdin> judgen: well done :)
[07:51] <Jucato> anyway... need to sleep... good night!
[07:51] <StingRay> I have this file renamed in the same dir.
[07:51] <NamShub> inteliwasp: create a wikipedia entry on the subject and show him :)
[07:51] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  dont mess with those. :)
[07:51] <inteliwasp> he does have a crappy reason... his computer's power supply fan died and took the video card with it
[07:51] <inteliwasp> NamShub:  heh i might
[07:51] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: It might also help if you keep it sterile, no papers or other things flammable around it. So that you can easily convince him that no way anything will happen even if there is a spark or something.
[07:52] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: and buy a cheapo firealarm for the room.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> heh
[07:52] <Minataku> A modern, even a vintage PC has fuses to prevent conditions that would cause such
[07:52] <NamShub> tell him the crackhouse in the neighborhood doesnt care and you plan to move there
[07:52] <inteliwasp> my house has like 15 smoke detecors
[07:52] <Minataku> Modern PCs also have ACPI/APM to shut the computer down in case a fan fails and the system overheats
[07:52] <Dr_willis> i cant even recall any pc causing a fire.. other then those laptop/batteries recently
[07:53] <Minataku> Not that 100C should cause any sort of fire inside the PC anyway
[07:53] <inteliwasp> Minataku:  it was a PSU fan, no monitoring...
[07:53] <Lynoure> I have once taken out a smoke blacked cd from a dead pc. That was in 1997 or so.
[07:53] <stdin> StingRay: I think you'll need a live CD for that, you messed with an important file there
[07:53] <Minataku> inteliwasp: Even then, the PC will die long before overheating to the point that it would spontaneously combust
[07:54] <inteliwasp> now all i need to do is get proof of this
[07:54] <Minataku> The only damage risk is to the PC, and even then the same damage risk exists using it period.
[07:54] <Lynoure> inteliwasp: insurance company stats? They might give you those.
[07:54] <StingRay> stdin, is there a way to fix this from grub somehow?
[07:54] <Minataku> Though completely bizarre occurances have happened
[07:54] <Minataku> Just make sure to keep it clean of dust
[07:55] <NamShub> but wouldnt there be more chance of a spark when turning it on...?
[07:55] <stdin> inteliwasp: just put a sticker over the power indicator, and turn the monitor off. he'll think it's off then :p
[07:55] <Minataku> It's rare that dust will cause a fire but it's a good idea to keep it clean anyway
[07:55] <Valmarko> Hello :)   I really enjoy the splah screens and window decorations used in Kubuntu 6.06. I'm using 6.10,    Is there a way to install those themes ?
[07:55] <Lynoure> Minataku: if one were to put a gasoline moistened rag into a cd-burner, easily fun things could result :)
[07:55] <stdin> StingRay: no, most (if not all) apps use that file to load, you need a live cd
[07:55] <inteliwasp> stdin:  er... it's a tad noisy
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Valmarko,  fire up the packate manager, theres a lot of themes/artwork not installed by default.
[07:55] <Minataku> Lynoure: There are cooler ways to destroy a computer
[07:55] <Minataku> XD
[07:55] <Lynoure> Minataku: /msg me with urls? :)
[07:56] <Minataku> For example, instead of a CPU... an M80
[07:56] <Minataku> XD
[07:56] <inteliwasp> Minataku:  i am religous for keeping things clean
[07:56] <Minataku> inteliwasp: Excellent
[07:56] <Valmarko> Tanks , Dr_willis
[07:56] <NamShub> sudo apt-get install cpuburn
[07:56] <Minataku> I'm sure a blasting cap would fire with +5VDC
[07:56] <Minataku> XD
[07:56] <Minataku> Though I've been wrong before
[07:56] <Minataku> BTW, inteliwasp
[07:56] <StingRay> I see. stdin is there a way to break to root from grub or somewhere along the booting process.
[07:57] <Minataku> I am not responsible for anything bad that may occur as a result of taking my advice
[07:57] <Minataku> lol
[07:57] <inteliwasp> Minataku:  LOL
[07:57] <Minataku> I'm fairly sure of myself, but I'm covering my ass anyway
[07:57] <Minataku> XD
[07:57] <inteliwasp> i'm not the kind to hold gudges
[07:57] <NeonLightning> what can i do to get ark to work with rar packages
[07:57] <Minataku> inteliwasp: Heehee
[07:57] <inteliwasp> *gudges
[07:57] <inteliwasp> gah
[07:57] <_Ank> when I try to mount my floppy I get an error message "can't fined fd0 in /etc/stab or /etc/mtab" what does this mean?
[07:58] <stdin> StingRay: I'm not sure you'll even be able to boot properly, and grub doesn't have the ability to modify files
[07:58] <inteliwasp> i keep misspelling it
[07:58] <Minataku> I'll say I've run many computers 24/7, including at least two regularly
[07:58] <stdin> StingRay: to you have a colsole open somewhere still?
[07:58] <StingRay> stdin, I was asking this on another matter
[07:58] <Minataku> And I haven't had a problem with them yet
[07:58] <StingRay> I have but all of them is telling me ...no such file or directory
[07:59] <Dr_willis> _Ank,  you either dont have a fstab entry for that device. or you are doing somthing else... odd..
[07:59] <inteliwasp> now all i need to do is how to make X from my server connect to my other computers on the lan
[07:59] <StingRay> I know I will not be able to boot properly...Gotta install a cd drive...
[07:59] <Dr_willis> xdmcp stuff inteliwasp ?
[07:59] <pluto> Whenever I do a make clean to compile some stuff from source, why do I get an error about infiniband?
[07:59] <_Ank> so can you tell me how to get an fstab entry?
[08:00] <Dr_willis> _Ank,  look in the fstab file. see any mention of /dev/fd0 ? or floppy ?
[08:01] <stdin> StingRay: where did you move ld-2.3.6.so to?
[08:01] <genii2> Progress Report from the French Front: Installation seems to have gone well and we are awaiting a successful reboot
[08:01] <NamShub> Theres also a graphical tool to edit the fstab in KControl > System > HD & Filesystems
[08:01] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis:  i think so, i saw a presentation on X the other day at my LUG meeting that said i could use X remotely
[08:01] <StingRay> stdin ld-2.3.6.so1 in the same dir
[08:01] <Valmarko> I now there is firestarter GUI . Is there an analog for Kubuntu ?
[08:01] <stdin> StingRay: in /lib ?
[08:01] <StingRay> stdin , yes
[08:02] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  easy way.. "ssh -X" to the remote machine you want to run the app on.. and run it. :)
[08:02] <stdin> StingRay: can you still open a run dialog?
[08:02] <StingRay> yes
[08:02] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  or you can even have the whole desktop running 'on' the remote box and shown locally.
[08:02] <judgen> http://www.okit.se/shwImg.php?FILE=images/lg-more-beer.jpg&H=&W=
[08:02] <judgen> haha
[08:02] <StingRay> but I am not root...
[08:02] <adub> has anyone got monitor mode to work with madwifi
[08:02] <stdin> StingRay: in there try: kdesu mv /lib/ld-2.3.6.so1 /lib/ld-2.3.6.so
[08:03] <stdin> see if that works?
[08:03] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis:  i have done the ssh thing but i want more information on how to do the desktop on clients way
[08:03] <NamShub> inteliwasp: I had good experience with NX
[08:03] <NamShub> (freeNX)
[08:03] <StingRay> there is no chance without using a live cd.stdin. The user is not in the sudoers...
[08:03] <Valmarko> guarddog :)
[08:04] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  google all about xdmcp. you need to enable the kdm login manager to allow the connections, then on the local box you can scan for other machines.. ive not done it in a year or so.
[08:04] <stdin> StingRay: ahh, then you definitely need live cd
[08:04] <StingRay> stdin. In order to prevent myself from doing more stupid things, can you tell me if I can restrict these console gui-s somehow?
[08:04] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  this is proberly only safe for local networks.. not over the internet. :)
[08:04] <stdin> StingRay: why do you need to tho?
[08:04] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis:  thanks, can i do the xdmcp over ssh?
[08:05] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  now you are thinking like a true linux user. :)
[08:05] <StingRay> I have another ops on this pc and I want them out of the console
[08:05] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis:  >:)
[08:05] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  ive heard it can be done.. but never tried.
[08:05] <StingRay> just a little paranoid, stdin :)
[08:05] <NamShub> NX works over SSH
[08:05] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  or vnc is handy also. and NX.
[08:05] <stdin> StingRay: just remove them from the sudoers file
[08:05] <Dr_willis> depends on the details as to what you want to do
[08:05] <NamShub> nx is a pain on ubuntu though :(
[08:05] <StingRay> I have done so.
[08:05] <stdin> StingRay: or restrict the commands they can run
[08:06] <caitlin> How would one go about compiling source packages in (k)ubuntu?
[08:06] <inteliwasp> i'll try NX, i have gotten burnt with vnc before
[08:06] <StingRay> stdin, is there another restriction besides kiosktool or method prbably?
[08:06] <_kai> I forgot how to reach my ie4linux
[08:06] <stdin> StingRay: if they aren't in /etc/sudoers then they can't do any damage
[08:06] <_kai> wheres does it go?
[08:06] <NamShub> genii2: grrrr Ive been trying to convince myself I can go through this morning without it
[08:07] <NamShub> (mostly because that means I must go out to buy some...)
[08:07] <StingRay> on theory, stdin. I have also restricted the suid on the homedirs
[08:07] <StingRay> but I still feel a little unsafe stdin
[08:07] <_kai> can some one tellll me how to reach my ie6
[08:07] <genii2> NamShub LOL Well, I am a bad influence then... I subsist on coffee and..well..coffee mainly. With the occasional pizza slice or banana muffin
[08:08] <stdin> StingRay: if they aren't in sudoers then they CAN'T do anything to hurt the system, no just in theory, in reality
[08:08] <StingRay> I haven't used jack the ripper or other similar tools, but as far as I know it is always a matter of time if you have some access
[08:08] <pluto>  Whenever I do a make clean to compile some stuff from source, why do I get an error about infiniband?
[08:08] <NamShub> StingRay: What you protecting? papers for cold fusion?
[08:08] <StingRay> NamShub if I tell you...I have to kill you
[08:09] <stdin> StingRay: only root has access to the file with users passwords
[08:09] <Dr_willis> Theres paranoid... then theres 'secure' :)
[08:09] <stdin> normal users can't even read it
[08:09] <genii2> What the DR said
[08:11] <mp3_> hallo
[08:11] <mp3_> is anybody out there?
[08:11] <genii2> And even if you could somehow lift the passwd file the md5 hashed passwords would need some brute-force reverse engineering
[08:12] <mp3_> hey my first chatprogramm
[08:12] <TheGateKeeper> lol
[08:12] <stdin> genii2: the passwd file doesn't have the hashes in it, it's in shadow
[08:12] <superkirbyartist> How do I enable PCMCIA?
[08:12] <genii2> stdin Yes, I just couldn't remember the exact name of that file that you get to by vipw   etc
[08:13] <Dr_willis> superkirbyartist,  it should be enabled by default.. ubuntu/kubuntu has been the best disrto ive ever had as far as laptopsupport is concerned.
[08:13] <StingRay> stdin, I tested 1 month ago the following scenario. I create a "badbinaryfile" with suid bit, tar it with -p, copy it to another pc and then (un)tar again with -p. Now I have a "badbinaryfile" with suid on my system which can be executed by the user who copied it.
[08:14] <genii2> This is why user chroot is not such a bad idea
[08:14] <pluto> Is it possible to do a reinstall of ubuntu and this time encrypt all three of my hard drives? I'd like to set it to if someone tries a password on my computer and gets it wrong too many times, it formats the drives.
[08:14] <Dr_willis> For the Truely Paranoid. I guess theres the SElinux stuff. :)
[08:14] <stdin> StingRay: even if you restrict the consoles, the user can log in on tty1-6 or can use the run command dialog
[08:15] <genii2> Is there no port of "jail" ?
[08:16] <genii2> !jail
[08:16] <ubotu> jail: Just Another ICMP Logger. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.6-4 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB
[08:16] <stdin> !jailer
[08:16] <ubotu> jailer: Builds and maintains chrooted environments. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-8 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 116 kB
[08:16] <genii2> stdin Thenks
[08:16] <StingRay> stdin, how can one do this? I am rather new to linux. tty = console?
[08:16] <Dr_willis> every time ive seen discussions of chroot/jailing users  - it always seems its not worth the  effort.
[08:17] <Dr_willis> and the ones always wanting to do so are 'new to linux' :) the old timers dont seem to worry about it.
[08:17] <stdin> StingRay: if you press Ctrl-Alt-F1, then you get taken to a text console
[08:17] <genii2> Dr_willis I guess it depends if you want them to be able to traverse up the dir hierarchy and look at your conf files
[08:17] <stdin> StingRay: alt-f7 brings you back
[08:17] <StingRay> stdin. all shortcuts can be disabled and locked by root
[08:17] <Dr_willis> genii2,  yea. it just 'seems' to always be the guys with the XXX porn ftp servers that are worried about it. :)
[08:17] <StingRay> for any user , stdin
[08:17] <StingRay> :) i managed to overcome this
[08:17] <Dr_willis> KDE has the Koisk feature that is darn handy.
[08:18] <Dr_willis> gee the ultimate lock down = get rid of the users. :)
[08:18] <StingRay> I know it and it is better as compared to pessulus
[08:18] <StingRay> :D Dr_willis
[08:18] <stdin> StingRay: as far as I know, it's built in to linux, and you can even get to it via a menu at login
[08:18] <pluto> True Dr_willis, but when you do that, you still have the problem of those that are trying to get in
[08:18] <Dr_willis> the ultimate lock down = get rid of the users.  AND power off the machine
[08:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:19] <StingRay> stdin you mean kdeloginmanager, the failsafe feature?
[08:19] <genii2> Dr_willis Well, in our fbsd servers for instance we do user jail for things like ftp logins so they are contained to their home dir. Also anything they run with some command like cd/ && rm -R *   only wipes their own crap out
[08:19] <stdin> StingRay: yes, in kdm
[08:19] <StingRay> I disabled it also :), stdin. However I know there are some ways with grub also
[08:19] <genii2> There will always be some kind of stupid exploit.
[08:20] <stdin> StingRay: there is not just failsafe login, there is console login there
[08:20] <StingRay> which can be used to get a root tty. stdin
[08:20] <stdin> StingRay: and yes, you can get to it from grub
[08:20] <StingRay> hmm, did not notice this on my loginkdmmanager
[08:21] <stdin> StingRay: also, all someone has to do to get full access, is put in a live cd and use sudo from there
[08:21] <tamacracker> Hey guys... do you know the character map?
[08:21] <StingRay> :), stdin, maybe not if you have disabled usb, passworded bios and locked the case...as in my case.
[08:21] <tamacracker> i wanna be able to make the ~ sign over the n
[08:21] <toopik> Hey Everyone =D  Anybody have a moment to answer a question for me?
[08:22] <tamacracker> on windows it's alt+146
[08:22] <tamacracker> or alt+164 >.> either way is there way i can set that?
[08:22] <StingRay> stdin, this may sound stupid but I own an internet cafe and I got ..ssed with window$ tricks and ..itty sysops.
[08:23] <toopik> While installing Kubuntu, I can't seem to get past the very first screen.  The screen goes black, and I never get to choose my language, or proceed with install
[08:23] <stdin> StingRay: I've bin thinking about how to restrict consoles (GUI ones) and I may have an idea about it
[08:23] <genii2> toopik choose vga mode
[08:24] <toopik> Even using VGA mode it just stays black.
[08:24] <stdin> toopik: if the live installer fails, you need to use the alternate disk
[08:24] <genii2> toopik If you another video adapter, try plugging the monitor into that one when it happens
[08:24] <toopik> I tried doing that too.  What is the alternate disk?
[08:24] <stdin> !alternate
[08:24] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[08:25] <stdin> you get it from the same place you downloaded the normal image
[08:25] <genii2> toopik the basic advantage is you can do a dialog-based instead of gui install
[08:25] <toopik> Awesome, thank you very much guys.
[08:25] <toopik> I'll give that a shot, you'll probably be seeing me back :P
[08:25] <stdin> toopik: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/ choose the alternate cd
[08:26] <stdin> StingRay: it involves moving the binary for the app, and replacing with a script
[08:26] <StingRay> stdin, would you mind if I ask you next week if you have thought out something?
[08:26] <superkirbyartist> How do I enable pcmcia in Ubuntu?
[08:27] <stdin> StingRay: yeah, I'll work on it for you :)
[08:27] <Dr_willis> superkirbyartist,  plug in the pcmcia card and check 'dmesg' output? see if the card is seen?
[08:27] <dmhouse> Hi there. What's the current state of iPod Nano support in (K)Ubuntu?
[08:27] <StingRay> stdin, there is no use for this. A user can just download an xterm for example and start it...
[08:27] <stdin> !ipod | dmhouse
[08:27] <ubotu> dmhouse: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[08:27] <dmhouse> stdin: thanks.
[08:28] <superkirbyartist> How do I enable pcmcia in Ubuntu?
[08:28] <stdin> StingRay: there isn't a 100% way of doing it, it all depends on how smart the user is :p
[08:28] <tamacracker> can anyone help me with the character map
[08:29] <Dr_willis> superkirbyartist,  try sudo  /etc/init.d/pcmciautils start
[08:29] <dsmith> I have a question with ram
[08:29] <StingRay> stdin, thanks for the support. I know there are not impossible things...
[08:29] <dmhouse> Hrm. When I plug iPods, memory sticks in etc., Kubuntu doesn't seem to be automatically mounting them anymore. What's the problem likely to be?
[08:30] <dsmith> mem/physical/cached is consuming like 80% of memory
[08:30] <StingRay> stdin, in our case this is a dilemma
[08:30] <stdin> StingRay: you're welcome :) I'll give it more thought for if I see you again here
[08:30] <NamShub>  hockey at 14h30, how weird is that?
[08:31] <dsmith> would that be normal?
[08:31] <stdin> dsmith: yes, it's totally normal
[08:32] <dsmith> ok but the reporting desklet shows that kubuntu is consuming all memory up to 2GB
[08:32] <stdin> dsmith: it will be reduced if the system needs more memory for applications
[08:32] <dsmith> so its *not* using all of it
[08:32] <dsmith> ok
[08:32] <tamacracker> does anyone know anything about special characters?
[08:32] <stdin> it's just a cache, because RAM is faster than the diak
[08:32] <StingRay> stdin, thanks! It a pleasure for me to be a part of this society.
[08:32] <toma> !anyone
[08:32] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:33] <toma> (could not resist)
[08:33] <dsmith> i have to do some reading on how kubuntu-ubuntu-debian uses memory
[08:33] <stdin> StingRay: you're welcome :D
[08:33] <stdin> dsmith: it's the way linux uses memory (the kernel)
[08:34] <genii2> tamacracker PErhaps something here may be useful or interesting for you: http://dot.kde.org/1106013763/
[08:34] <dsmith> ok so subtracting out cache ram, it is only using about 512MB
[08:34] <dsmith> alot better
[08:34] <dsmith> :)
[08:34] <stdin> dsmith: it put often accessed files in a cache in ram, because it speeds up access to those files, if the system needs more space in ram, then the amount dedicated to the cache is reduced, and memory is freed for use
[08:35] <dsmith> gotcha
[08:35] <dsmith> I understand now
[08:35] <tamacracker> thanks
[08:35] <stdin> :)
[08:35] <dominik_> hello world
[08:35] <dsmith> thanks
[08:35] <stdin> no problem dsmith
[08:35] <genii2> tamacracker Hope it helps :)
[08:35] <dsmith> im just use to windows
[08:35] <dsmith> *sigh*
[08:36] <dsmith> im forcing myself into the *niz world
[08:36] <dsmith> *nix
[08:36] <Ank_186> what do I need to do when I get " /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device" ?
[08:36] <dmhouse> Which filesystem should I be using to mount an iPod?
[08:36] <stdin> linux is much more efficient with memory (amongst other things) than windows
[08:36] <genii2> Ank_186 You have a floppy drive?
[08:36] <Ank_186> yes
[08:37] <dominik_> hi
[08:37] <stdin> dmhouse: what device is the ipod on? sda?
[08:37] <dmhouse> *filesystem type.
[08:37] <dominik_> ok
[08:37] <dmhouse> stdin: yep.
[08:37] <dsmith> stdin: I can see this as kubuntu is comparable to win XP and it only needs 512MB
[08:37] <Dr_willis> ive ran kubuntu with less :)
[08:37] <stdin> dmhouse: you should just be able to type: pmount /dev/sda2 ipod
[08:37] <dsmith> in all actuallity it is beter
[08:37] <Dr_willis> but it can get slow. :(
[08:37] <stdin> dmhouse: and it will be mounted in /media/ipod
[08:38] <genii2> Ank_186 Is there some other /dev entry something like fd1440   or like that?
[08:38] <stdin> dsmith: install beryl, and it kicks vistas but too :P
[08:38] <Ank_186> no
[08:38] <dsmith> whats beryl?
[08:38] <dsmith> hmmmmm my wirless mouse wont start
[08:38] <dmhouse> stdin: thanks! What does pmount do?
[08:38] <stdin> !beryl
[08:38] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:39] <Dr_willis> !br
[08:39] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[08:39] <dsmith> hats ubotu
[08:39] <stdin> dmhouse: it allows a normal user to mount a removable device, like usb devices, without being root
[08:39] <dsmith> Thanks ubotu
[08:40] <tamacracker> This may be a funny question... but where's my KDE control center? >.>
[08:40] <dmhouse> stdin: ah, I used sudo to call that, was that a mistake?
[08:40] <tamacracker> i thought it would be in system or utilities
[08:40] <dmhouse> tamacracker: try K Menu -> System Settings
[08:40] <Dr_willis> tamacracker,  i always add the  'settings' applet to the Panel. :)
[08:40] <tamacracker> yeah i should do that :D
[08:40] <dmhouse> tamacracker: or Alt+F2 kcontrol
[08:41] <tamacracker> thanks for the idea Dr_willis and dmhouse for the instructions
[08:41] <tamacracker> oooo i like alt+f2
[08:41] <stdin> dmhouse: if you use sudo, you wont be able to write to it, use 'sudo pumount ipod' to unmount it (you only need sudo with pumount if you used sudo with pmount)
[08:42] <dominik__> yes
[08:42] <stdin> dmhouse: and make sure you type pumount not punmount (lots of people make that mistake )
[08:43] <dmhouse> stdin: got it, thanks. (In fact I used vanilla umount to unmount it and remounted it using pmount, but hey.)
[08:43] <stdin> well, that works too :p
[08:43] <stdin> but pumount will remove the mountpoint too
[08:44] <dmhouse> It's always seemed odd to me that it's called umount and not unmount.
[08:44] <genii2> Ank_186 Perhaps to try:    sudo cd /dev && sudo ./makedev -d fd0
[08:44] <stdin> dmhouse: hey, saves typing an extra letter :p
[08:45] <Ank_186> genii2 you're beyond me with that
[08:45] <dsmith> so beryl is like xlg?
[08:45] <genii2> Ank_186 Please open a konsole
[08:45] <stdin> dsmith: no, beryl run on xgl (or aiglx)
[08:45] <dmhouse> stdin: hehe. Thanks again for your help.
[08:45] <stdin> dmhouse: you're welcome :D
[08:45] <non4me> i think the  beryl manage a XGL....
[08:46] <genii2> Ank_186 Then, in the console, to type:           sudo cd /dev && sudo ./makedev -d fd0
[08:46] <dsmith> that is on my install list
[08:46] <Wulong> How do I change keyboard layout? upgraded from ubuntu 6.06 to feisty and installed kubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <ted_> hi all :) uhm.. i just installed xgl (beryl) and got an error... hmm... X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168. it doesnt seem to do any harm, but i like to know whats going on and stuff :)
[08:46] <genii2> Ank_186 And that would be all
[08:46] <stdin> ted_: don't worry about it, it's a harmless error
[08:47] <Dr_willis> ted_,  thats because a tablet is defined by default in the xorg.conf file.
[08:47] <Dr_willis> No idea why... :) but its there.
[08:47] <genii2> Ank_186 You could then close the konsole and try once more to read a floppy disk or so
[08:47] <stdin> ted_: it's trying to load wacom (tablet) devices, and you don't have any, that's all
[08:47] <ted_> ah
[08:47] <ted_> no need to worry then :)
[08:47] <stdin> that's right :)
[08:48] <ted_> thanks :)
[08:48] <tamacracker> hm... for some reason, I don't have a keyboard layout >.>
[08:49] <stdin> Dr_willis: it's for people that need the tablet to work right away, like people that can't use a mouse (like because of a disability)
[08:49] <Ank_186> would this permanently mess anything up?
[08:49] <hassan2a> re
[08:49] <genii2> Ank_186 If it is already saying the file is not a valid block device and so on, it can do no harm
[08:50] <genii2> Ank_186 All it will do is remake the floppy device
[08:50] <crav> I'm using a broadcom bcm4318 AirForce. I know there's lots of guides to get it going, but I just can't seem to get it to work.
[08:50] <dmhouse> I have a load of Ogg Vorbis files I want to place onto my iPod. What's the best way of doing this? Can one do lossless .ogg -> .mp3 conversion?
[08:51] <Dr_willis> there will always be some losses i belive.
[08:51] <Dr_willis> ive seen ogg2mp3 scripts  in places.
[08:52] <genii2> I think most of thoise use flacc or lame as a backend
[08:52] <tamacracker> Hey guys.. in my keyboard layout... there's nothin in it... nor i can choose any keyboard layouts
[08:52] <Valmarko> Liquid Weather, Karamba. Is there a way to get this cool stuff?
[08:52] <stdin> Wulong: Kmenu -> System Settings -> Regional & Language
[08:52] <Wulong> stdin: only US there.
[08:52] <Wulong> Need some kind of package, just tell me which one.
[08:52] <genii2> hassan2a :)
[08:53] <stdin> Wulong: click where it has the little flag, you can chage it there
[08:53] <stdin> dmhouse: my ipod plays ogg :)
[08:53] <dmhouse> stdin: ipodlinux?
[08:53] <stdin> dmhouse: no, rockbox
[08:53] <stdin> dmhouse: but i have ipodlinux too :p
[08:54] <Wulong> stdin: it don't change.
[08:54] <dmhouse> stdin: what's the risk with things like that?
[08:54] <elcuco> Riddell: ping
[08:54] <scott___> stdin: earlier today you helped me with an external harddrive
[08:54] <dmhouse> stdin: considering I have a Nano.
[08:54] <Riddell> hi elcuco
[08:54] <scott___> stdin: remember me?
[08:55] <Riddell> elcuco: what would be revered about kdesktop?
[08:55] <stdin> dmhouse: monimal, you can backup the partitions with dd and just restore them if it goes wrong, ot just copy all your music to hard disk and restore
[08:55] <Riddell> elcuco: any reason to think this is only a kubuntu issue and not a general KDE issue?
[08:55] <stdin> Wulong: what language do you want?
[08:55] <elcuco> Riddell: run your favorite application using --reverse
[08:55] <stdin> scott___: yeah, vaguely :P
[08:55] <elcuco> Riddell: i did not see it in kde3.5.4 (from sources), and not in mandriva 2007.1
[08:56] <jimbo320> hi there, does anyone know of a package to recover data of raid stripe arrays please? thanks in advance
[08:56] <scott___> stdin: what we tried was supposed to make the drive mount at boot up, but it doesn't do that.
[08:56] <elcuco> Riddell: the menu on the desktop is ltr and should be rtl, same for the dialog opened, and the run menu (also the unlock desktop dialog)
[08:56] <stdin> scott___: ok, I remember now :p
[08:57] <ted_> uhm.. anybody have any experience with gnomad?
[08:57] <elcuco> Riddell: basically kubuntu needs some help, mandriva has better herew support. how can i help?
[08:58] <stdin> scott___: where it says "auto" in fstab, change to "noauto,user" , then you can mount it when you want (without sudo, just open it in media:/ or type mount /dev/sda )
[08:58] <scott___> ok
[08:58] <genii2> !gddrescue | jimbo320
[08:58] <ubotu> gddrescue: the GNU data recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-1 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 124 kB
[08:59] <genii2> hmm
[09:00] <Riddell> elcuco: are you talking about the panel, kicker?
[09:00] <jimbo320> do i need enough spare disk to recover the whole array or can i recover a few files?
[09:00] <jimbo320> ie i dont have a spare 500gb free :(
[09:00] <elcuco> Riddell: no, about kdesktop, kicker works ok.
[09:00] <genii2> jimbo320 I do not know, i have not tried this one yet
[09:01] <jimbo320> thanks, ill take a look at it
[09:01] <genii2> jimbo320 The prudent thing would be to study the man page
[09:01] <adub> does anyone know why madwifi for 6.10 will not work with some applications as far as monitor mode?
[09:02] <elcuco> Riddell: http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kubuntultrbadon0.png
[09:02] <scott___> stdin: thanks.  That worked.  I shouldn't be back again for that problem.  :-)
[09:02] <stdin> scott___: no problem :)
[09:03] <genii2> Bah more direct rendering ATI GL stuff
[09:03] <elcuco> Riddell: i would like to help kubuntu more hebrew friendly by 7.10
[09:03] <adub> does anyone know what happened to the atheros driver in the latest release of ubuntu
[09:03] <stdin> genii2: that's why intel is good, uses aiglx, built in to xorg
[09:03] <genii2> !restricted-drivers
[09:04] <genii2> hmm
[09:04] <stdin> it's asleep :p
[09:05] <stdin> !botsnack
[09:05] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:05] <stdin> woke up now :p
[09:05] <Riddell> elcuco: hmm, interesting
[09:06] <genii2> adub I do not know where the driver went but perhaps this may help :http://hamzakc.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/atheros-wireless-setup-ubuntu/
[09:06] <Riddell> elcuco: it's translated, so KDE should know to start it in reverse
[09:06] <Riddell> elcuco: I wouldn't really know where to starting looking on that bug
[09:07] <pino> ciao
[09:09] <Riddell> elcuco: if you want to help kubuntu development then join us in #kubuntu-devel
[09:09] <utab> how can I backup my mails in thunderbird
[09:09] <genii2> !mondo
[09:10] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[09:10] <stdin> utab: just backup the ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ directory
[09:11] <utab> stdin: it backups everything mails, bookmarks, I mean anything related to mozilla
[09:12] <utab> stdin: thx
[09:13] <stdin> utab: for just the email, backup ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/*.default/Mail/
[09:14] <adub> the driver is installed but the dang monitor mode for my card works with only some appz
[09:14] <dsmith> can amarok rip mp3 streams?
[09:14] <cloakable_> Think so
[09:14] <stdin> I know vlc can
[09:14] <genii2> adub Well, a bit further along anyhow
[09:15] <dsmith> i am so use to running multiple winamp players and using streamripper to dump the files into my NAS
[09:15] <utab> stdin: thx that is ok, if I backup all my /home directory it will backup anything I will need later
[09:15] <utab> stdin : all the hidden and setup files
[09:16] <genii2> adub There seems to be a lot of complaints about wlassistant monitoring being spotty
[09:16] <adub> genii2 wha do you mean a bit further along
[09:16] <dsmith> would'nt you just back from / ?
[09:16] <dsmith> back from root, I meant
[09:16] <dsmith> *backup
[09:16] <stdin> utab: it's always a good idea to have a backup of your home directory
[09:16] <genii2> adub Your atheros card now has proper driver and so on?
[09:16] <adub> yes im using it now as an internet connection
[09:16] <adub> it works fine with kismet
[09:17] <adub> but airodump i cant not get anything working
[09:17] <utab> dsmith: I will shift to debian so I only need my home not starting from the root
[09:17] <adub> iwpriv ath0 i see no monitor mode but who knows i mean kismet works
[09:17] <utab> stdin: thx
[09:17] <stdin> dsmith: it would be easier just to backup /etc and /home , then just reinstall all the packages you want and the settings will already be there
[09:17] <stdin> np utab
[09:17] <adub> Error setting monitor mode on ath0
[09:18] <adub> airdump-ng ath0
[09:18] <adub> gives that error
[09:19] <pelle_> hey guys I need some help installing baghira
[09:19] <pelle_> anybody willing to help?
[09:20] <dsmith> when I make backups, I make a full backup of the machine state
[09:20] <stdin> what is it?
[09:20] <dsmith> and do incrementals from that
[09:20] <stdin> dsmith: so you backup /proc /tmp /dev/ and /sys too?
[09:20] <dsmith> I do "/"
[09:20] <dsmith> everbything
[09:21] <cloakable_> :)
[09:21] <dsmith> i just pop in a acronis CD and *poof* its done
[09:21] <pelle_> cmon guys I need help these commands dont seem to work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/682/
[09:21] <dsmith> takes a few hours
[09:21] <Dr_willis> !info baghira
[09:21] <ubotu> Package baghira does not exist in any distro I know
[09:21] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  you proberly need to isntall build-essential package, and some other kde-dev packages to compile the thing
[09:22] <stdin> dsmith: but those dirs are populated at boot, and files in them don't really exist (except for /tmp which normally gets emptied at boot)
[09:22] <pelle_> Dr_willis, I have followed the instructions at http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php and it all works until the comands
[09:22] <pelle_> these  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/682/
[09:23] <stdin> pelle_: as Dr_willis said, you need the build-essential package
[09:23] <adub> i have no wlan options how do i get those
[09:23] <adub> madwifi-wlan-ng ??
[09:23] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  you realize that  just posting those commands - are not telling us any of the error messages/problems. :)
[09:23] <genii2> pelle_ Aside fromt he commands you are trying to enter, the errors it generates would be useful
[09:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:24] <pelle_> oh sorry :P  it says that the command make cannot be recognised
[09:24] <stdin> yes, so install build-essential package
[09:24] <genii2> yes
[09:24] <Dr_willis> and THUS we are back full circle to 'you need to isntall build-essential'
[09:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:24] <stdin> !build-essential
[09:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:24] <pelle_> ill look for that then
[09:24] <genii2> *pins*
[09:24] <Dr_willis> the Circle of SOurce.....
[09:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:24] <pelle_> is it a specific one for baghira or is it just a separate thingy? :P
[09:25] <Dr_willis> Bagihra is ugly anyway :)
[09:25] <Dr_willis> You are compilignm source code pelle_
[09:25] <Dr_willis> thats the core of what you are doing.
[09:25] <pelle_> oic
[09:25] <stdin> pelle_: you'll probably also need kdelibs-dev too
[09:25] <Dr_willis> and perhaps some other -dev stuff
[09:25] <pelle_> I looked for that but didnt find it
[09:25] <Dr_willis> 'looked' where.
[09:26] <genii2> pelle_ build-essential  is like a the swiss army knife which helps to create larger things
[09:26] <Dr_willis> build-essential - is a meta package that isntalls a lot of other packages :) for the 'core' of the Programing development tools.
[09:26] <stdin> well, on the website it says "libkde-dev" but that's RPM, so I'm just saying he'll need the kubuntu equiv
[09:26] <pelle_> I apt-cache searched it
[09:26] <constantin> e careva din romania?
[09:26] <Dr_willis> !info kdelib
[09:26] <ubotu> Package kdelib does not exist in any distro I know
[09:26] <Dr_willis> !find kdelib
[09:26] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs, kdelibs-data, kdelibs-dbg, kdelibs4-dev, kdelibs4-doc (and 3 others)
[09:27] <Dr_willis> !find kdelibs-dev
[09:27] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs4-dev
[09:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:27] <pelle_> installing build-essential now
[09:27] <ryantmer> O_o
[09:27] <stdin> Dr_willis: libkde-dev is a meta package too, pointing to the latest version
[09:27] <ryantmer> Why can I seeminglynot delete files from Konqueror?
[09:27] <stdin> or it is on my system :p
[09:28] <pelle_> I found kdelibs4-dev too
[09:28] <pelle_> is that what I should get then?
[09:28] <stdin> ryantmer: where are you trying to delete the file ?
[09:28] <constantin> hei e careva din romania?
[09:28] <ryantmer> It says "Access denied to <directory>"
[09:28] <genii2> !ro | constanstin
[09:28] <ubotu> constanstin: Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[09:29] <constantin> ms
[09:29] <ryantmer> I am trying to delete many, including ones such as /opt/thunderbird (a directory)
[09:29] <stdin> ryantmer: you need to be root for that: kdesu konqueror
[09:29] <genii2> ryantmer Deleting progrmas is *not* a good idea
[09:30] <Dr_willis> ryantmer,  or learn to use the shell
[09:30] <ryantmer> I already uninstalled them from Adept
[09:30] <ryantmer> Dr_willis: Heh, trying to ;)
[09:30] <Dr_willis> what are you deleteing exactly?
[09:30] <genii2> OK not so entirely horrible then
[09:30] <ryantmer> Well, I tried to install Thunderbird from a tar.gz file, but it doesn't work
[09:30] <jann> genii2, fdoving: hi, i was wondering if my fan problem might be another one. the fan isnt always at the same "level", sometimes its way louder than in other occasions. maybe its not working correctly physically... theres little air coming out and maybe its just on all the time because the heat cant be cooled because of a malfunction.
[09:30] <ryantmer> It appears as installed in Adept, but it doesn't actually run
[09:31] <ryantmer> I just uninstalled it, but have found several files left over
[09:31] <ryantmer> I'm going to try installing it from Adept itself this time
[09:31] <Dr_willis> you need to have root access to remove stuff not in the users home dir.
[09:31] <olivier__> Could someone help me I'm new to kubuntu and I dont know how to enable universe
[09:31] <Schuenemann> which program can I use to record my voice and test my mic?
[09:31] <Dr_willis> ryantmer,  good idea. :)
[09:32] <Dr_willis> !universe
[09:32] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:32] <Schuenemann> !universe | olivier__
[09:32] <genii2> jann Well, if your machine is still under warranty, it may be a good idea to have someone examine it physically
[09:32] <ubotu> olivier__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:32] <Dr_willis> heh
[09:32] <olivier__> cool thx
[09:32] <jann> genii2: would be good to see the temperature though
[09:33] <Schuenemann> which program can I use to record my voice and test my mic?
[09:33] <olivier__> Ans after I typed !universe nothing happens iis that normal I ran it in root
[09:33] <genii2> jann Yes, that would help some. Is there no monitor that shows you in bios the current degrees C ? Most machines have something like this, as well as rpm of fans and so on
[09:33] <stdin> !krec
[09:33] <ubotu> krec: sound recorder utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 345 kB, installed size 1044 kB
[09:33] <Schuenemann> olivier__: you have to visit that link
[09:33] <stdin> Schuenemann: ^^
[09:33] <Schuenemann> stdin: thx
[09:34] <jann> genii2: havent thought about that. i'll check that
[09:34] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:34] <uwo> hi all. what do i need to do to share files over wifi between a mac and a linux comp?
[09:34] <olivier__> k thx
[09:35] <Dr_willis> uwo,  macs can do smb/samba , or nfs, or ya could just use ssh
[09:35] <genii2> uwo Is the mac some os smaller than10 ?
[09:35] <pelle_> hey again Ive got another problem, I've installed the build-essential and the other thing and I got another error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/684/ I installed the autoconf but it still refuses to work
[09:35] <genii2> jann Well, at this time I am fresh out of ideas
[09:35] <uwo> drwillis: tnx will look into this
[09:36] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  you may need to isntall the cvs tools also
[09:36] <jann> genii2: dont worry, just wanted you to know
[09:36] <Dr_willis> since you are using 'cvs' based code.
[09:36] <genii2> jann Thanks :)
[09:36] <pelle_> ok Ill look for that
[09:36] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  you may want to just spend some time learning other linux basics first. :)
[09:36] <Schuenemann> stdin: does it play the sound too
[09:36] <stdin> pelle_: you need to install autoconf and probably automake
[09:37] <stdin> Schuenemann: yes
[09:37] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  also - theres a dozen+ themes and so forth in the repositories that are not installed by default - if you want to play with new eye candy
[09:37] <genii2> bison and so on
[09:37] <Schuenemann> weird, I don't hear anything
[09:37] <pelle_> is there OSX? :D
[09:37] <Dr_willis> OS-X apples os.
[09:37] <stdin> Schuenemann: try saving it to a file (eg a wav file) and play that back in another player
[09:37] <Dr_willis> OS-XXX - what ya get with you use Porn themes.
[09:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:38] <pelle_> OS-X theme I mean
[09:39] <pelle_> the automake thing helped
[09:39] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  theres dozens of them.. they all  are related by the fact that they all suck. :)
[09:39] <stdin> that's what the "*** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!." part was :p
[09:39] <Dr_willis> stdin,  they should of made that more clear!
[09:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:39] <stdin> hah, yeah
[09:39] <pelle_> oic haha
[09:39] <pelle_> well this thing is looking like its working so far
[09:40] <genii2> pelle_
[09:40] <genii2> So it is doing the  ./configure    part?
[09:40] <Dr_willis> willis@audigy:/media$ apt-cache search baghira
[09:40] <Dr_willis> kwin-baghira - KDE theme for Apple junkies :)
[09:40] <Schuenemann> stdin: how to do that? it always export as 0:00 length
[09:40] <Dr_willis> so SOMEHOW there a baghira pacakge i got installed.
[09:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:40] <Dr_willis> !info kwin-baghira
[09:40] <ubotu> kwin-baghira: KDE theme for Apple junkies :). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7+cvs20060507-2 (edgy), package size 731 kB, installed size 2116 kB
[09:40] <pelle_> genii2, yes :P
[09:41] <hirs> hi
[09:41] <Dr_willis> gee.. pelle_  its allready in the repos... :)
[09:41] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[09:41] <pelle_> how could I miss that...
[09:41] <Dr_willis> pelle_,   i said earlier to search the repos for other themes. :)
[09:41] <hirs> how can I use the protocol tar:/ when clicking on a tar.gz file I would like to use the protocol instead of ark
[09:41] <genii2> Heh so tragically and horribly funny
[09:42] <Dr_willis> I just noticed i had it installed.. and i dont rember compiling it.
[09:42] <Dr_willis> but thats not the latest version. :P
[09:42] <pelle_> I must have misspelled it when I searched for it
[09:42] <pelle_> haha
[09:43] <Dr_willis> do a apt-cache search kwin
[09:43] <pelle_> yeah I installed it :P
[09:43] <pelle_> hahah thanks
[09:44] <stdin> Schuenemann: make sure the settings in kmix are correct
[09:44] <Schuenemann> they seem to be, I tested in skype and it worked
[09:44] <genii2> Perhaps see that PCM is not muted
[09:45] <stdin> hirs: look at http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[09:45] <genii2> ^Schuenemann
[09:45] <Schuenemann> it's not muted
[09:45] <Schuenemann> I tested in skype too
[09:46] <Dr_willis> pelle_,  sudo apt-get install kwin-style-powder kwin-style-blended  kwin-style-alphacube kde-style-polyester  kwin-style-suse2
[09:46] <Dr_willis> also :)
[09:46] <Dr_willis> heh
[09:46] <pelle_> I get an error
[09:46] <genii2> bleh I'm shocked theres no kwin-redmond
[09:47] <hirs> stdin: hey thank you!, that's the way i like it :)
[09:47] <XVampireX> powder, hmmz
[09:47] <stdin> :)
[09:47] <pelle_> what nevermind
[09:47] <pelle_> ill do it after Ive updated some stuff
[09:47] <pelle_> its using the root already
[09:48] <genii2> alphacube sounds somewhat intriguing
[09:49] <XVampireX> alphacube is neat
[09:49] <Schuenemann> this sucks
[09:50] <XVampireX> Powder rocks
[09:50] <XVampireX> But it's weird
[09:51] <Schuenemann> !mirc
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mirc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <Schuenemann> !mic
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <Schuenemann> !rec
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <stdin> !sound
[09:52] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:53] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: Just ask
[09:53] <stdin> maybe ?
[09:53] <Schuenemann> I'm not having problems with sound
[09:53] <Schuenemann> I think
[09:53] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: What's the problem?
[09:53] <Schuenemann> XVampireX: testing microphone with krec
[09:54] <Wulong> stdin: norwegian layout.
[09:54] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: krec doesn't work?
[09:54] <Schuenemann> now everytime I touch the microphone I get a strange sound in the headphones
[09:55] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: Have any custom settings for microphone in .asoundrc?
[09:55] <XVampireX> I mean for sound in general
[09:55] <Schuenemann> I don't know
[09:55] <Schuenemann> I tried in skype and it worked
[09:55] <XVampireX> And make sure you have full duplex and that you're using ALSA
[09:55] <Schuenemann> but it's horrible, so I wanted to check if it's the recording or the connection
[09:55] <XVampireX> OSS has problems with full duplex
[09:55] <XVampireX> How horrible?
[09:55] <XVampireX> Most likely the connection
[09:56] <XVampireX> Tried the echo test?
[09:56] <Schuenemann> yes
[09:56] <olivier__> could someone tell me how to get icons back when you flushed them from the system tray?
[09:56] <Schuenemann> but I don't trust this microphone either
[09:56] <XVampireX> Did it work well?
[09:56] <Schuenemann> what is the echo test?
[09:56] <stdin> Wulong: nl (Bookmal) or nn (Nynorsk)?
[09:56] <XVampireX> How about unmuting micro?
[09:57] <Schuenemann> how did it work if it was muted?
[09:57] <stdin> olivier__: which ones?
[09:57] <XVampireX> Mute is just so you can't hear it
[09:57] <XVampireX> it still works
[09:57] <Schuenemann> can't hear? how come?
[09:57] <XVampireX> Sound still gets processed as long as you have Capture on
[09:57] <olivier__> sound
[09:57] <XVampireX> Why are you asking these questions?
[09:57] <XVampireX> This doesn't matter
[09:58] <Schuenemann> light on means not muted, right?
[09:58] <stdin> olivier__: alt-f2 , type in kmix
[09:58] <genii2> !info sound-recorder
[09:58] <XVampireX> Yeah, light on means not muted
[09:58] <ubotu> sound-recorder: Direct-to-disk recording and play-back programs.. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.06-7 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 180 kB
[09:58] <Schuenemann> ok, it was on
[09:58] <XVampireX> Can you hear yourself?
[09:58] <Schuenemann> no
[09:58] <olivier__> thx
[09:58] <stdin> :)
[09:58] <Schuenemann> I just hear a oooooooooooommmmmm
[09:59] <genii2> Line hum?
[09:59] <XVampireX> Turn on microphone volume, capture you leave at minimal volume, but still gotta have it ON capture
[09:59] <Schuenemann> like an insect
[09:59] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: Also, what chipset?
[09:59] <Schuenemann> you're talking about kmix, right?
[09:59] <XVampireX> Yes
[10:00] <Schuenemann> capture is the red light?
[10:00] <Schuenemann> oops
[10:00] <XVampireX> Yes
[10:00] <XVampireX> But
[10:00] <lovloss> what does it mean when kdevelop says it cant find 'x libraries'
[10:00] <Schuenemann> no
[10:00] <XVampireX> There's also the setting Capture
[10:00] <lovloss> ?
[10:00] <XVampireX> Yes it is
[10:00] <Schuenemann> oh yes
[10:00] <XVampireX> Red is capture
[10:00] <Schuenemann> both are red
[10:00] <olivier__> What can you check whn you have no sound coming out if the speakers
[10:00] <olivier__> ?
[10:00] <tmdx120> Hello all. Im having a problem getting this distro to recognize my printer. Any ideas?
[10:00] <Schuenemann> mic and capture
[10:00] <XVampireX> Yeah
[10:00] <XVampireX> Make mic have red button enabled
[10:00] <stdin> Wulong: try installing language-support-no, language-pack-no and language-pack-kde-no
[10:00] <XVampireX> and capture also on
[10:01] <Schuenemann> mic is at maximum, capture in the middle
[10:01] <stdin> !printer | tmdx120
[10:01] <ubotu> tmdx120: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[10:02] <Uthalin> if youve disabled it how can you get KDE to autorestart applications on system shutdown?
[10:02] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: capture doesn't matter at what level, but put it at minimum
[10:02] <Schuenemann> ok
[10:02] <XVampireX> It should be on because it's the capture device
[10:02] <genii2> !info qarecord
[10:02] <ubotu> qarecord: A simple multithreaded stereo recording tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.9b-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 120 kB
[10:03] <Schuenemann> so I should hear myself now?
[10:03] <XVampireX> It makes things go round :)
[10:03] <XVampireX> Yeah
[10:03] <Schuenemann> not working =/
[10:03] <XVampireX> Make sure your speaker volume (Master/PCM/etc.. volume is on, too, and speakers also on)
[10:03] <Schuenemann> I don't hear anythign
[10:03] <Schuenemann> it is, I just played a sound
[10:03] <XVampireX> Sure green light is on?
[10:04] <XVampireX> We can do it the text way
[10:04] <genii2> !info x11rec
[10:04] <ubotu> x11rec: a very ad hoc X11 recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 52 kB
[10:04] <Schuenemann> mic is
[10:04] <XVampireX> but I gotta go for a few minutes
[10:04] <XVampireX> can you use the console?
[10:04] <genii2> Hmm no, thats like a video recorder I think
[10:04] <X9000> hi, which app could i use to burn a kubuntu iso on windows? i don't have nero... i don't think it's free either. any suggestions?
[10:04] <Schuenemann> sure
[10:04] <XVampireX> ok, go into alsamixer
[10:04] <XVampireX> When you're there
[10:04] <XVampireX> make sure master is 100
[10:05] <Schuenemann> it is
[10:05] <XVampireX> PCM at whatever (80 is good for PCM)
[10:05] <ted_> hello again :) i want to set my wlan to ad-hoc. i tried the "sudo iwconfig ath0 mode Ad-Hoc" command but it replied with a " SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument". what to do?
[10:05] <genii2> X9000 http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
[10:05] <XVampireX> MIC is MM
[10:05] <XVampireX> Or wait
[10:05] <Schuenemann> pcm is 100<>97
[10:05] <XVampireX> actually, no, enable it
[10:05] <Schuenemann> whatever that mean
[10:05] <XVampireX> It's good
[10:05] <XVampireX> You didn't have that connect, it's dual channels it seems
[10:06] <X9000> genii2, thanks, i'll try that.
[10:06] <Schuenemann> I don't see mic
[10:06] <genii2> X9000 :)
[10:06] <ted_> please help :/
[10:06] <Schuenemann> it's playback
[10:06] <XVampireX> Schuenemann: scroll right
[10:06] <XVampireX> with arrows
[10:06] <Schuenemann> mic is 100
[10:07] <XVampireX> is it MM or?
[10:07] <Schuenemann> mic boos MM
[10:07] <Schuenemann> I don't know
[10:07] <XVampireX> not mic boot
[10:07] <XVampireX> mic boost
[10:07] <XVampireX> you need mic
[10:07] <Schuenemann> mic boost says MM
[10:07] <Schuenemann> mic has a bar only, and it shows 100
[10:07] <XVampireX> And what does Mic says?
[10:07] <XVampireX> There should also be MM or 00
[10:08] <Schuenemann> =/
[10:08] <Schuenemann> and there is mic sele = mic1
[10:08] <XVampireX> that's microphone select
[10:08] <Schuenemann> can be either mic1 or mic2
[10:08] <XVampireX> That's the problem though, you don't have MM or 00 in microphone settings
[10:08] <XVampireX> But I guess it's set to MM
[10:08] <Schuenemann> isn't that the volume?
[10:08] <XVampireX> MM stands for Mute ;)
[10:09] <Schuenemann> how to change, then?
[10:09] <XVampireX> try to press m where you're on it
[10:09] <XVampireX> see if anything changes
[10:09] <Schuenemann> ok
[10:09] <Schuenemann> MM
[10:09] <Schuenemann> still showing 100, though
[10:09] <XVampireX> m again
[10:10] <XVampireX> Do you see 00?
[10:10] <XVampireX> That should mean that it's unmuted
[10:10] <Schuenemann> yes, but that is what I had before
[10:10] <XVampireX> So it's unmuted
[10:10] <XVampireX> Does your microphone have its own volume controller?
[10:10] <Schuenemann> when I set to MM, it shows Mic (Off) on top
[10:10] <Schuenemann> hmm no
[10:11] <XVampireX> Oh
[10:11] <Schuenemann> it's attached to the headphone
[10:11] <XVampireX> Weird cause you should be able to record
[10:11] <XVampireX> and hear yourself
[10:11] <XVampireX> press tab
[10:11] <Schuenemann> the controller affects only the phone, I believe
[10:11] <XVampireX> And go to mic
[10:11] <Schuenemann> L R captur
[10:11] <XVampireX> Good
[10:11] <XVampireX> Go to Capture
[10:11] <Schuenemann> wait
[10:11] <Schuenemann> what do I set at mic?
[10:11] <XVampireX> brb, gotta run for a few min
[10:12] <Schuenemann> playback
[10:12] <Schuenemann> ok
[10:12] <Wulong> stdin: nl
[10:12] <X9000> i hate windows!  :(
[10:13] <X9000> excuse my outburst
[10:13] <stdin> Wulong: try installing language-support-nl, language-pack-nl and language-pack-kde-nl
[10:13] <stdin> don't mind an anti-windows outburst :p
[10:13] <matthew_> hey genii
[10:13] <matthew_> long time no see!
[10:13] <genii2> matthew_ :) hi
[10:13] <matthew_> have a good new years + christmas?
[10:13] <genii2> yup
[10:13] <lovloss> Please tell me there's a better web developement program than quanta plus...
[10:13] <X9000> it seems that so many windows apps just plain SUCK
[10:13] <lovloss> the visual is obnoxiously buggy
[10:14] <X9000> i can burn a flawless iso with k3b in 10 minutes and here i've wasted 3 cd-rs with 0 success on windows
[10:14] <genii2> X9000 That cd burning app is needing some other thing like .net or so?
[10:14] <X9000> genii2, yeah, i have .net
[10:14] <X9000> it just sucks though
[10:14] <genii2> X9000 1 min I know another app
[10:14] <X9000> genii2, ive tried imgburn also
[10:15] <Schuenemann> lovloss: www.aptana.com
[10:16] <lovloss> this looks WAY better. thanks
[10:17] <X9000> while im here, what do you kde users do about firefox? it looks kind of lame-ish in kde
[10:17] <Wulong> stdin: didn't work, restarted by session even.
[10:17] <kwtm> With Kubuntu, where is the "trash" directory located in the file structure?  It's not ~/Trash or ~/.Trash, and when I open the actual Trash file manager, it's just listed under "trash://".
[10:17] <stdin> X9000: this is an app that will let gtk apps use qt theme, let me find it
[10:18] <X9000> stdin, you mean the qtcurves engine?
[10:19] <stdin> X9000: no, it's called something else
[10:19] <X9000> then im interested
[10:19] <Schuenemann> X9000: I never tried this one: light on means
[10:19] <Schuenemann> oops
[10:19] <Schuenemann> X9000: I never tried this one: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
[10:19] <judgen> hi
[10:19] <X9000> Schuenemann, yeah i've tried that.
[10:20] <X9000> Schuenemann, i just hate that whole gui
[10:20] <judgen> winetools tells me that it cant run on versions older than 2005* but i got newest build
[10:20] <Schuenemann> your problem is the gui, then?
[10:20] <judgen> how do i set version of wine?
[10:20] <X9000> Schuenemann, that, and i don't think that app verifies the cd
[10:20] <X9000> you know, like k3b does
[10:21] <stdin> !gtk2-engines-gtk-qt | X9000
[10:21] <ubotu> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.70-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 80 kB, installed size 364 kB
[10:21] <X9000> oh cool
[10:21] <X9000> so its in the repos
[10:21] <stdin> yeah
[10:21] <Schuenemann> firefox looks lame-ish? what do you mean?
[10:21] <stdin> found it on kde-look.org I think, then found it in repos
[10:22] <Schuenemann> except for the scrollbar, it's normal for me
[10:22] <stdin> Schuenemann: GTK apps under KDE look horrible
[10:22] <X9000> Schuenemann, if you notice the scrollbar, when you drag it, there's a line that kind of stays behind. a border line.
[10:22] <lovloss> wait, what are you supposed to do with .bin files?
[10:22] <lovloss> im spoiled by adept o.o
[10:22] <Schuenemann> X9000: that does not happen here
[10:22] <Schuenemann> it drags normally
[10:22] <X9000> Schuenemann, you may be using a ff theme then
[10:23] <stdin> lovloss: run it, chmod +x filename.bin first, then ./filename.bin
[10:23] <Schuenemann> the default one I'm using
[10:23] <lovloss> hmm ok
[10:23] <Dr_willis> I recall some 'fix' for firefox - in one of the kde control-panel tabs
[10:23] <X9000> Dr_willis, thats just the button fix for ff
[10:23] <Schuenemann> the only strange thing about firefox is the bottom scrollbar errow
[10:23] <X9000> Dr_willis, im not talking about that
[10:23] <Schuenemann> arrow*
[10:24] <Schuenemann> both firefox and thunderbird ignore the buttton
[10:24] <Schuenemann> the rest is normal for mw
[10:24] <X9000> Schuenemann, theres a fix for that
[10:24] <Schuenemann> me*
[10:24] <Dr_willis> If you say so. :) i ve not seen any issues with firefox on this kubuntu box
[10:24] <X9000> seriously man, im not making things up
[10:24] <Schuenemann> X9000: only for edgy I think... but that doesn't bother me too much
[10:24] <X9000> =D
[10:24] <Schuenemann> I never use that arrow
[10:25] <Schuenemann> I would remove it from all programs if I could :p
[10:25] <lovloss> it had trouble finding shared libraries... lib libc etc... what package should i get
[10:25] <ted_> how do i set my wlan card to ad-hoc?
[10:25] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  ya may want to clarify what you are doing.
[10:25] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  you trying to compile stuff and cant find the right libs?
[10:25] <lovloss> Well im trying to run a binary
[10:26] <lovloss> ./filename.bin, like stdin said
[10:26] <Dr_willis> or bash whatever.bin
[10:26] <Dr_willis> or sh whatever.bin :)
[10:26] <X9000> i have another problem, on my box at home, which has kubuntu edgy installed. when i play movies in kaffeine, kaffeine's menu bar gets all weirdly garbled and what have you. does anyone else have that happen?
[10:26] <Dr_willis> gotta love 12 ways to do somthing.
[10:26] <marcreichelt> hi :)
[10:26] <X9000> its pretty annoying
[10:26] <marcreichelt> is there a good tutorial to activate XGL on Kubuntu 6.10?
[10:27] <lovloss> i still get a bunch of "cant find file or directory" for a bunch of libraries
[10:27] <marcreichelt> I have an Intel graphic device (3D running just well)
[10:27] <ted_> uhm... wlancard to ad-hoc... anyone?
[10:28] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  and what is this .bin? it could be they copiled it in a way that its needing other versions.
[10:28] <BackPacker> ted_: I'm running my system Ad-Hoc. What do you want to know?
[10:28] <lovloss> Aptana IDE setup.
[10:28] <genii2> X9000 I finally found the other http://ghosthunter.gh.funpic.de/programs/burniso.zip
[10:29] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  id say check that programs homepage/wiki/forums -
[10:29] <Schuenemann> X9000: http://www.binartisan.com/
[10:30] <yelonek> do you know a calculator with parser and variable defininig like PowerToy Calculator for XP ?
[10:30] <olivier__> Is there any way at all to enable uxga resolution in kubuntu?
[10:30] <genii2> Yes, my casio
[10:31] <yelonek> working on kubuntu pls :>
[10:31] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  downloading it now.. it will take me 13 min (it says) to download
[10:31] <genii2> heh you didn't specify :)
[10:31] <ted_> well, i tried the "sudo iwconfig ath0 mode Ad-Hoc" commando, but all I got was a "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :  SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument." in return
[10:31] <lovloss> hmm i found something...
[10:31] <Schuenemann> money?
[10:31] <lovloss> Dr_willis:  "Before installing Aptana IDE on Fedora Core 5 or Ubuntu Edgy Eft, you may need to execute the following commands:"
[10:32] <lovloss> heh
[10:32] <ted_> and in windows ad-hoc worked for my wlan card, so its not the hardware :/
[10:32] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  :) so i can cancle the download then eh.. :)
[10:32] <BackPacker> ted_: did you try configuring it with the Networking dialog on the System menu?
[10:32] <lovloss> unless you want it Dr_willis ;)
[10:32] <Dr_willis> i got no need for it. :)
[10:33] <lovloss> ^_^ oikie, imma go now
[10:33] <lovloss> thanks guys
[10:33] <ted_> yes, but i didnt find where to do that
[10:33] <ted_> i went in to "configure device ath0"
[10:33] <yelonek> genii2: with complex numbers if that's possible ;)
[10:34] <marcreichelt> I found a howto to activate Beryl/AIGLX on my intel graphic card
[10:34] <genii2> !info qalculate
[10:34] <marcreichelt> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beryl.2FAIGLX_.28Intel_i915.29
[10:34] <ubotu> qalculate: Powerful and easy to use desktop calculator - transitional. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-2build1 (edgy), package size 24 kB, installed size 72 kB
[10:34] <marcreichelt> but that one is for Gnome
[10:34] <BackPacker> ted_: and what happened when you did that?
[10:34] <Xera> hiho
[10:34] <nagyv> hello! I would like to repartition an external hard drive, but don't know which program to use. Which program would you recommend?
[10:34] <Xera> nagyv: gParted? lol
[10:34] <Dr_willis> the gparted/qtparted  tools are handy
[10:34] <Xera> cfdisk? ;d
[10:34] <marcreichelt> is there another howto to activate those nice 3D effects on Kubuntu (with KDE)?
[10:35] <Dr_willis> depends on what you are doing to the disk
[10:35] <ted_> well, in the scroll list all I saw was dhcp and bootp. when i tried bootp, the computer disabled the card :S
[10:35] <nagyv> marcreichelt: if you think about xgl, then there are some howtos in the wikis.
[10:36] <Xera> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1976560#post1976560
[10:36] <Xera> :?
[10:36] <BackPacker> ted_: Not sure what you mean by 'scroll list'. Try opening the 'Networking' dialog on the System menu and setting the card up from there.
[10:36] <nagyv> Dr_willis: thx, and which file system is recommended if I would like to connect this drive to a Linux and a Windows box too. (It is portable, so it should be portable.)
[10:36] <Dr_willis> nagyv,  i have addone for windows that lets it read/write to ext2/3 filesystems :)
[10:37] <Dr_willis> nagyv,  or use fat32  , ntfs might be a bit of a pain and risky at this time
[10:38] <marcreichelt> nagyv: where?
[10:38] <nagyv> !xgl
[10:38] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:38] <nagyv> marcreichelt: ^^^
[10:38] <ted_> i went to System Settings > Network Settings > Went in to Admin Mode Highlighted ath0, Pressed Configure Interface and the List beside the button "Automatic" was what i ment with scroll list.
[10:38] <marcreichelt> nagyv: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl ?
[10:39] <nagyv> marcreichelt: yes
[10:39] <marcreichelt> ah
[10:39] <marcreichelt> ok
[10:39] <BackPacker> ted_: I'm in Mandriva 2007 right now, so I can't check what's on that dialog. But there's a way of setting it up manually
[10:39] <marcreichelt> just _burning_ to test XGL on my own notebook...
[10:40] <genii2> Wow, cool... I was just poking in a drawer and found my original Duke Nukem 3D cd....hmmmm I wonder if dosbox works
[10:42] <Blissex> genii: DOSemu should be OK.
[10:43] <marcreichelt> now let's see...
[10:43] <genii2> Wasn't Duke Nukem open-sourced at some point?
[10:43] <yelonek> genii2: wow! thx :D qalculate looks great!
[10:43] <Dr_willis> genii,  the 3d version? Hmm...
[10:43] <Dr_willis> genii,  i dont rember it doing that...
[10:43] <genii2> yelonek Yer welcome :)
[10:43] <Dr_willis> the good old days. that was like the first PC game i ever actually bought :)
[10:45] <Schuenemann> me too
[10:45] <genii2> Well I need to go get some sleep... I'm reaching my MTBF point here
[10:45] <Schuenemann> the first game I bought
[10:45] <Schuenemann> I was a beast playing it :-)
[10:45] <genii2> Yeah DN 3D kicked ass for the time
[10:46] <genii2> I'm gonna see if it will work on alinux box
[10:46] <Schuenemann> dosbox sucked for almost everything I tried
[10:46] <Dr_willis> genii2,  i dont recall seeing any gpl ports of it. aint looked lately.
[10:47] <Dr_willis> dosbox is good for the games that dont push the 3d stuff. :( it has its limits
[10:47] <Dr_willis> dosbox does play warlords2 great! :)
[10:47] <Schuenemann> it sucked for money island 2
[10:47] <Schuenemann> monkey
[10:47] <Dr_willis> for Monkey Island - use the scummvm perhaps?
[10:47] <Schuenemann> the what?
[10:47] <Schuenemann> !scummv
[10:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scummv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:48] <Dr_willis> for those old Lucas Arts games - that ScummVM project lets ya play them.
[10:48] <Schuenemann> !scummvm
[10:48] <ubotu> scummvm: free implementation of LucasArts' S.C.U.M.M interpreter. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1685 kB, installed size 4248 kB
[10:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:48] <genii2> Hehehehe   :)   http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2585
[10:48] <Dr_willis> i NEVER have finished any of those lucasart games.
[10:48] <Schuenemann> I did MI3
[10:48] <Dr_willis> GrimFandango kept me busy for a long time
[10:48] <Schuenemann> and full throttle
[10:48] <Dr_willis> but then either there was a bug. or i got stuck...
[10:48] <Dr_willis> "Put the Hamster in the microwave"
[10:49] <Schuenemann> MI 1 and 2 I used an walkthrough at some parts
[10:49] <Dr_willis> Yea. it stinks when you read the walkthrough and think.. "Ok where was the clue to Put the blue bottle in the baboons nose?"
[10:49] <genii2> Above link is to DN 3D source code incidentally
[10:49] <Dr_willis> I ndever did finish Flight Of the Amazon Queen either.
[10:49] <Schuenemann> is dosemu better than dosbox?
[10:50] <Dr_willis> I think dosbox works better for games
[10:50] <Dr_willis> I had a script setup where i could go to a 'dos' games dir and run the game with a click :)
[10:50] <Dr_willis> using dosbox
[10:50] <Schuenemann> you just suggested dosemu to play duke3d :)
[10:50] <Dr_willis> amazing how addictive some of those old games are
[10:50] <Dr_willis> duke3d is 3d - i dont think either will play that very well
[10:51] <Schuenemann> it's not really "3d"
[10:51] <Dr_willis> what was that loader they used.. the memory manager thing...
[10:51] <Dr_willis> i think the stulbling point in it.
[10:51] <Dr_willis> Doom/quake also used it...
[10:51] <Schuenemann> I dunno
[10:52] <Dr_willis> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/faq.php
[10:52] <genii2> Wow, 3drealms actually has a link on their site to d/l it
[10:52] <Dr_willis> mentions duke3d
[10:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:52] <Dr_willis> genii2,  cool.. paste that url :)_
[10:52] <Dr_willis> lets try it out
[10:53] <genii2> ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/source/duke3dsource.zip
[10:53] <genii2> xmms I think was the memory manager
[10:54] <Dr_willis> is that just the source? or the dos executable as well?
[10:54] <genii2> Well it says source
[10:54] <hassan2a> re moi
[10:54] <Dr_willis> ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/freeware  has some games. :)
[10:55] <Schuenemann> there is quake and wolf3d source too
[10:55] <Dr_willis> so its proberly the wsource without the data files. :(
[10:56] <jarn> What does apt-get build-dep do?
[10:56] <utab> I did a very stupid thing actually I dont know how I did this I have a file called -C but I can not remove it since it is like an option
[10:56] <tmdx120> Hello all. Where do I download all my drivers/progams? Should they all be in the /home/mydirect?
[10:56] <genii2> Heh they have something there to foil DownThemAll FF extension
[10:56] <Dr_willis> rm '-C'
[10:56] <Dr_willis> or rm -- -C
[10:56] <Schuenemann> genii2: it's Fx, not FF :/
[10:56] <utab> Dr_willis :thx
[10:56] <Dr_willis> or use a tool like mc to select/delete it
[10:57] <tmdx120> does it really matter where I download all my programs/drivers?
[10:57] <utab> Dr_willis : are u sure
[10:57] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  make a dir.. keep them organized
[10:57] <Dr_willis> utab,  google for it. this is a common 'question' :)
[10:57] <hassan2a> genii2:  hey :)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> its all about keeping bash/command  from interperting the   - option.
[10:58] <Dr_willis> let me test
[10:58] <genii2> hassan2a Hello :)
[10:58] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: Ok, but I dont have to have them in /opt or /bin or anything like that. I can keep them in a file of my choice right?
[10:58] <Dr_willis> rm -- -C  works for me
[10:58] <jarn> When I run apt-get update, a lot of stuff is ignored. Also, I get an error.
[10:58] <genii2> Well it's definitely source. .h .c files etc etc
[10:59] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  keeping the downloads.. is different from where you install them to.
[10:59] <jarn> On one of them, 404 not found.
[11:01] <utab> Dr_willis: thx, to change the tar to start in a different directory there is the -C option does that matter to use it at the end
[11:02] <Dr_willis> utab,  tar? my tar-fu skills are minimal - sorry.
[11:03] <Dr_willis> genii2, http://www.dosgames.com/dl.php?filename=ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dduke13.zip  has a demo i think.. guess ill see how well that runs
[11:03] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: thanks doc!
[11:03] <cyber_brain_mfkg> how to setup that tvtime use linein as sound source???
[11:03] <genii2> utab it goes like so:   tar -xvzf sometarfile.tar.gz  -C /the/path/to/change/to/likeso
[11:05] <lovloss> can you set files as 'hidden' in konquerer?
[11:05] <utab> genii2, I am trying to tar my home directory inside my home directory
[11:05] <utab> genii2, I am trying to backup my home
[11:05] <genii2> utab You cannot do a tar into a dir you are tarring up
[11:05] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  the idea of hidden files is a bit of a confusion. by default anything starting with a .  is consoidered 'hidden' and just ignored by many programs
[11:06] <Dr_willis> lovloss,  they are not really hidden by any filesystem trick.. its just a standard way or hiding things
[11:06] <lovloss> uh oh, but this program is using those folders. it will wonder where they went
[11:06] <utab> genii, uh :(
[11:06] <utab> genii2 stupid me
[11:06] <jpiccolo> where is the autostart file in edgy
[11:07] <genii2> utab It is a pitfal many have fallen into :) no worries
[11:07] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo,  KDE has a .kde/Autostart DIr...
[11:07] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo,  system wide theres a rc.local script to run some things
[11:08] <jpiccolo> Dr_willis: ok how would i make a link to start conky
[11:08] <jpiccolo> in .kde/Autostart
[11:08] <utab> genii2: how may I check my home directory size wwith all the subfolders
[11:09] <genii2> utab there is some ls  switch I forget atm
[11:09] <jarn> When I do apt-get update, it gets many more things than I have in my sources.list - it gets some things multiple times and it ignores a lot of things.
[11:09] <_Shade_> hi
[11:10] <ted_> anyone running ad-hoc configs in kubuntu and can tell me how they managed to do that?
[11:10] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo,  drag/drop make link.. or use ln -s from the shell.. or make a batch file.. or drag/drop the konky.desktop menu item to that dir...
[11:10] <_Shade_> are there any feisty related artwork proposals yet?
[11:10] <BackPacker> ted_: I answered you earlier, but I think you missed it.
[11:11] <paolo> hello
[11:11] <ted_> oh
[11:11] <Dr_willis> genii2,  duke3d is uber slow under dosbox. :(  not playable
[11:11] <ted_> what did you say?
[11:11] <BackPacker> ted_: I set it up in the Networking dialog on the System menu, which set the config to Managed mode...
[11:11] <BackPacker> ted_: I then edited a file so it worked in Ad-Hoc mode. Hold on and I'll check which file it was
[11:11] <genii2> Dr_willis: NOOOO!!
[11:12] <Dr_willis> genii2,  unless you got a MUCH MUCH more powerfull machine then my older machine
[11:12] <genii2> ted_ I don't think I said anything to you acutally... you may want BackPacker
[11:12] <Dr_willis> genii2,  whuch souldent be too suprising :)
[11:12] <genii2> Arg I'm too tired to see whos talking to me or not
[11:13] <BackPacker> ted_: I think it was /etc/network/interfaces
[11:13] <ted_> i did a u-turn in that file :) didnt know what to change :S
[11:13] <BackPacker> ted_: Also, I set the WiFi card on my PC to 192.168.0.1 and the one on the laptop to 192.168.0.2, and set the gateway on the laptop to 192.168.0.1
[11:14] <Furesho> anybody here happen to know how i can add a whole list of servers to konversation in one shot?
[11:14] <BackPacker> ted_: Here is an example, with a | where the end of each line should be:
[11:15] <utab>  how can I find the size of my home directory
[11:15] <utab> with all the subdirectories
[11:16] <BackPacker> ted_: auto eth1 | iface eth1 inet static | address 192.168.0.2 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | wireless-essid myessid | wireless-mode Ad-Hoc | wireless-key 01230123012301230
[11:16] <genii2> utab  du -h ~/
[11:16] <BackPacker> ted_: the one on the laptop is the same, except that it's 'ra0' instead of 'eth1' and '192.168.0.2' instead of '192.168.0.1'
[11:16] <audoux> join #freenode
[11:17] <BackPacker> ted_: (and I've just realised I should have typed 192.168.0.1 in the example
[11:17] <X9000> feisty wont h ave kde4 will it?
[11:17] <X9000> have*
[11:17] <sirKIIM> siema
[11:17] <ted_> do you mean the interface file or in network settings?
[11:17] <genii2> possibly du -s ~/
[11:18] <utab> genii2, I could not remember du, thx
[11:18] <Dr_willis> X9000,  thers no roadmap for when kde4 will be useable
[11:18] <BackPacker> ted_: that's part of the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[11:18] <genii2> utab I had to look it up myself
[11:19] <SSJ> X9000:See https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan
[11:19] <animimotus> hi
[11:19] <Xera> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1976560#post1976560
[11:19] <Xera> nobody has an answer? :(
[11:20] <animimotus> in K3B can I write a DVD-RW with accent ?
[11:20] <X9000> oh, thanks
[11:20] <BackPacker> ted_: It's not enough to just edit the interfaces file, you need to do 'ifdown ra0' and 'ifup ra0' (or whatever your card is called) to get it to use the new settings
[11:21] <__Chris> Is there no Rails package for Edgy yet?
[11:22] <ted_> okay
[11:22] <Schuenemann> __Chris: I see "rails"
[11:22] <ted_> doing everything as we speak :)
[11:22] <Schuenemann> rails - MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development
[11:22] <__Chris> Using this command : sudo apt-get install rails irb ril.8 rubyl.8-dev
[11:23] <JosefK> rails is really rather excellent, but don't install it from the ubuntu repositories
[11:23] <__Chris> I get a couple lines, and the last is : E: Couldn't find package rails
[11:23] <genii2> utab incidentally while I'm thinking of it,something like  sudo tar cvzf ../mystuff.tar.gz *     will work if you are in home dir to put a file in /home/mystuff.tar.gz  of all in ~/
[11:23] <JosefK> follow the wiki guide to get rails 'gem' installed
[11:23] <JosefK> then 'sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies'
[11:23] <JosefK> ruby 'gem' rather
[11:24] <JosefK> __Chris: http://www.urbanpuddle.com/articles/2006/06/10/install-ruby-rails-on-ubuntu-dapper-drake
[11:24] <Furesho> anybody here happen to know how i can add a whole list of servers to konversation in one shot?
[11:24] <JosefK> that guide's for dapper, but it hasn't changed in Edgy
[11:24] <ted_> when i use the "ifdown" i get "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument."
[11:24] <__Chris> A friend at work said to follow this:  http://paulgoscicki.com/archives/2005/09/ruby-on-rails-on-ubuntu
[11:24] <BackPacker> ted_: what happens if you do the ifup?
[11:25] <JosefK> that's outdated
[11:25] <JosefK> look at the gem version :) both guides do a similar thing, but the one I linked to's newer
[11:25] <ted_> same, but twice... and the second time its (8b2a) instad of (8b06)
[11:26] <_Shade_> is there any good ubuntu news website other than the ubuntu planet, ubuntu fridge  and uwn?
[11:26] <BackPacker> ted_: Have you had this card (ath0) working at all?
[11:26] <jimmy_> hy
[11:26] <jarn> When I do apt-get update, it gets many more things than I have in my sources.list - it gets some things multiple times and it ignores a lot of things.
[11:26] <jimmy_> quien habla espaol
[11:27] <Schuenemann> !es | jimmy_
[11:27] <ubotu> jimmy_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:27] <jimmy_> jaja si ya lo se
[11:27] <utab> genii2 : this was what I was using sudo tar -zcvvf -C /home/utab backup.tar.gz ./home/  --exclude=./home/utab/documents/MECH_POOL --exclude=./home/utab/documents/MECH_HOME
[11:27] <jimmy_> ya lo se ubotu
[11:27] <ted_> i havent tried to use it since the reinstallation. but in windows and in ubuntu it works perfectly (didnt try ad-hoc in ubuntu though)
[11:27] <JosefK> !es
[11:28] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:28] <BackPacker> ted_: What happens if you enter 'iwconfig ath0 essid myessid mode Ad-Hoc' (change myessid for your own)?
[11:28] <Schuenemann> jimmy_: /join #kubuntu-es
[11:28] <constantine-xvi> Would anyone know if the kubuntu build of amarok supports MTP/PlaysForSure music players?
[11:28] <genii2> utab when you create a tar file, the file to compress to is the first argument (name on left) when you untar, it is on the other side
[11:29] <utab> genii2: sorry -C part is at the end
[11:29] <ted_> Invalid Argument
[11:29] <BackPacker> ted_: what do you get if you just enter 'iwconfig ath0'?
[11:30] <ted_> plenty of information about the card
[11:31] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[11:31] <BackPacker> ted_: What does it say for ESSID and Mode? And is there a figure for Link Quality?
[11:31] <utab> genii2, is that right at the end
[11:32] <genii2> utab Hmm .. this way more : COMPRESS;      tar -czvvf /I/want/the/tarfile/here.tar.gz /here/is/the/stuff/to/compress --exclude=*this --exclude=that*
[11:32] <utab> genii2 I guess so
[11:32] <ted_> essid:"Ted"
[11:32] <ted_> Mode:Managed
[11:32] <GotenXiao\> anyone had qtparted crash on them during install?
[11:32] <ted_> Frequency:"2.427 GHz"
[11:32] <genii2> utab when using compress you do not need -C switch anyplace
[11:32] <GotenXiao\> Edgy Eft install, that is
[11:33] <ted_> "Link Quality" 0/94
[11:33] <utab> genii2, it is to change directory before tar
[11:33] <BackPacker> ted_: And what happens if you just do 'iwconfig ath0 mode Ad-Hoc'?
[11:33] <genii2> uta the swtch -f  <- = "filename"
[11:33] <ted_> Invalid argument
[11:33] <__Chris> josefk - Thanks!
[11:34] <genii2> eg:   -filename /wherever/
[11:34] <BackPacker> ted_: Strange! all of those commands work fine with my RaLink card...
[11:34] <ted_> hmm
[11:34] <ted_> i cant like
[11:35] <ted_> download a set of commands somewhere?
[11:35] <utab> genii2: you mean it can include the path as well
[11:35] <BackPacker>    ted_ Those *are* the commands. Part of the wireless-tools package.
[11:35] <GotenXiao\> http://rafb.net/p/HjgWCd91.html
[11:36] <BackPacker> ted_: you might have better luck if you ask in a channel dedicated to WiFi
[11:36] <ted_> youre right. but where do I find one like that?
[11:36] <genii2> utab When tar, you can conceivably use something like     tar -czvvf /tar.gz    -C /some/long/path                           HOWEVER... without the -C it still knows the path, you have to specify it anyhow
[11:37] <BackPacker> ted_: Your IRC client should be able to give you a list of channels on Freenode. Or you can look here: http://www.ludd.luth.se/irc/list.html
[11:38] <JosefK> __Chris: np's :)
[11:38] <genii2> utab -C is more used to untar something eg    tar -xzvvf /untarthis.tar.gz -C /to/this/exact/place/here/first/however
[11:38] <utab> genii2, the main issue since I do not have enough space on the root directory I have to use the home. So I have to change there before the tar operation starts right?
[11:38] <__Chris> How do I "register" so I can private msg etc?
[11:38] <utab> genii2, I am trying to pack my home directory
[11:38] <genii2> utab Do you have the /home directory mounted someplace?
[11:39] <utab> genii2, yes
[11:39] <genii2> eg: utab Your personal home dir is something like: /homemyhomedir/
[11:40] <genii2> rather  /home/myhoe
[11:40] <genii2> wahetever likeso
[11:40] <utab> yes
[11:40] <JosefK> utab: or just 'echo ~'
[11:40] <genii2> the dir /home still has space
[11:41] <utab> genii2, yes because the df shows "dev/sda8             11132168   5551140   5015544  53% /home"
[11:41] <utab> genii2, I guess after tar it will still fit there
[11:42] <genii2> utab so, in home dir,eg:      aaa@bbb/home/mydir$    do:   sudo tar -cvvzf ../mydirtarredup.tar.gz *
[11:42] <genii2> then you get: /home/mydirtarredup.tar.gz
[11:42] <genii2> Lots of room
[11:43] <yelonek> shouldn't opera be in multiverse or universe repository ?
[11:43] <__Chris> Josefk - a lot of the packages it is telling me to get on that page (for Rails) it says are not found...?
[11:43] <JosefK> __Chris: do you have the 'universe' repository enabled?
[11:44] <__Chris> Yes
[11:44] <JosefK> hmm, well I just installed from it okay :/
[11:44] <JosefK> which command's failing?
[11:44] <ted_> ive used the tar zxvf command on a file, and i used make in that directory. where to go from here?
[11:45] <genii2> ted_ make install
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> sudo make install
[11:45] <utab> genii2: why ../
[11:45] <genii2> Linux_Galore Right you are :)
[11:46] <__Chris> I'd say about 50% of the packages on #6 aren't found
[11:46] <Xera> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1976560#post1976560 so.. nobody has an answer? :'(
[11:46] <ted_> done. and then what?
[11:46] <JosefK> __Chris: hmm, they're not actually needed to get rails running
[11:46] <genii2> utab ../    is so that the tarred file will not be in the same dir you are tarringup. Since the regular user cannot write in /home you need sudo to put it there
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> ted_: next time use kompile , it unpacks and builds the package and installs it for you
[11:47] <JosefK> __Chris: if you're not going to be using your box as a production Rails server, it isn't worth the effort to carry on past Step 5
[11:47] <__Chris> JosefK - hmmmm
[11:47] <genii2> utab ../   is like cd ..
[11:47] <__Chris> JosefK - but  libfcgi-ruby1.8 is one of them?
[11:47] <JosefK> __Chris: indeed, not needed - it's the fast-cgi ruby extension, only needed for lighttpd, which uses fast-cgi
[11:48] <utab> genii2: I did not understand why we can not the contents of a directory inside the same directory
[11:48] <JosefK> __Chris: everything you need to get a basic rails setup running was in the 'sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies' command
[11:48] <genii2> utab It is called an infinitely recursing loop
[11:48] <JosefK> __Chris: Ruby has a built-in server called WebBrick which is more than enough for development/light production use
[11:49] <jarn> When I do apt-get update, it gets many more things than I have in my sources.list - it gets some things multiple times and it ignores a lot of things.
[11:49] <utab> genii2, Ok it is the way that this command is designed and coded
[11:49] <JosefK> __Chris: for a test, rails ~/test; cd ~/test; script/server; firefox "http://localhost:3000/"
[11:49] <genii2> utab eg: the tarring process finds a tarfile there to include in the tarfile  .... and so on
[11:49] <__Chris> JosefK - Okay!  Thank you very much!
[11:49] <JosefK> __Chris: np's :) have fun with rails ^^
[11:50] <utab> genii2: it is obvious now
[11:50] <GotenXiao\> qtparted segfaults on the install DVD: http://rafb.net/p/HjgWCd91.html
[11:50] <utab> genii2: and logical
[11:51] <AndreixSistem> Hola a todos los navegadores
[11:51] <AndreixSistem> en especial a las chicas lindas
[11:51] <__Chris> JosefK - I'm in!  Woo Hoo!  Thanks again!
[11:51] <genii2> utab I am glad that you grasp it now :)
[11:52] <AndreixSistem> Hello
[11:52] <AndreixSistem> girls
[11:52] <utab> genii2: hard learner not so smart :)
[11:52] <vorpal> AndreixSistem: i don't know if #kubuntu is necessarially the correct place to try to pick up
[11:53] <AndreixSistem> who is spanish?
[11:53] <cntb> !es
[11:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:53] <genii2> utab Well, it can be complicated to sort of understand why it cannot work a certain way, etc
[11:54] <genii2> utab After you tar the file, if you really want you can copy it back into your main home directory
[11:54] <utab> genii2: it was a simple logic with someone who has programming knowledge
[11:54] <sleepy495> hi all :)
[11:55] <utab> genii2: anyway experience experience experience
[11:55] <genii2> utab But I would not opy it back there because mainly,if you do something like   rm *    when in your home dir and need to restore it, the tarfile is also gone
[11:56] <jarn> Where are binaries stored?
[11:56] <genii2> in /bin /usr/bin  and sometimes rarely /usr/local/bin
[11:56] <jarn> Thanks.
[11:56] <utab> genii2, the intention is to put on a dvd\
[11:56] <jarn> Is there a command I can use to see where a command is stored?
[11:57] <genii2> jarn yes. first do    sudo updatedb     and then   locate filename
[11:57] <genii2> perhaps sudo locate filename
[11:57] <jarn> Thanks. :D
[11:57] <utab> genii2, this tar issue kept me busy all the night long but I am glad that at the end I backed it up
[11:57] <DeMolay> genii2: locate is enough
[11:58] <utab> genii2, thx
[11:58] <geoffb> jarn: "whereis <filename>" is a faster way for something that's in your path already
[11:58] <jarn> Thanks. :D
[11:58] <genii2> DeMolay I was not certain, on some systems the db is stored differently for whatever user that runs it etc
[11:58] <GotenXiao\> Am I to understand that QTParted is supposed to segfault when trying to get information about your hard drive?
[11:59] <genii2> utab You are welcome
[11:59] <Dr_willis> only if it detects porn. :)
[11:59] <DeMolay> genii2: right ;)
[11:59] <genii2> I must must go now before I go on some new tirade ROFL
[11:59] <Schuenemann> I'm starting to hate amarok
[11:59] <GotenXiao\> Dr_willis: I'd have thought would keep it from segfaulting
[11:59] <geoffb> oooh, good answer Dr_willis :-)
[11:59] <Schuenemann> now it stopps playing the mp3 a few seconds from the end
[11:59] <Schuenemann> anybody has seem something similar?
[12:00] <genii2> Good night all and tar safely :)
[12:00] <Schuenemann> seen*
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> libqtpart ERROR SEG12 - cant find libpr0n
[12:00] <GotenXiao\> lol
[12:00] <fowlduck> Schuenemann: is it trying to transition between songs?
[12:00] <Schuenemann> there's only 1 song
[12:00] <Schuenemann> kaffeine plays fully
[12:00] <GotenXiao\> is there any way to override ubiquity's reliance on qtparted?
[12:00] <fowlduck> well, if it was trying to transition and it only finds one, that could be an issue
[12:00] <fowlduck> try adding one more
[12:01] <genii> I forgot this one is still on :)
[12:01] <genii> Good night once more ... really!
[12:01] <premier_> hey, my computer just froze.
[12:01] <Schuenemann> fowlduck: it played fully having another song in the queue
[12:02] <Schuenemann> the second (and last) one, didn't
[12:02] <Schuenemann> this sucks
[12:02] <Schuenemann> it was some time ago
[12:02] <Schuenemann> was ok*
[12:03] <GotenXiao\> Eh, sod it. I'll do a console install.
[12:03] <Schuenemann> fowlduck: strange is that in the point it would stop, it moves to next song (that blue splash), the progress bar goes to the middle, but it still plays the "current" song
[12:07] <yotux> i just installed the nvidia non free driver sand i have noticed that it has taken out a bunch of my monitor sync rates
[12:07] <vorpal> I had an ssh control connection which I didn't kill (cause my laptop suddenly ran out of battery) and now I can't log back into ssh cause it complains that the control connection is still up. Does anyone know anyway to kill it other than just waiting for it to time out?
[12:08] <DaSkreech> !away > Bers
[12:09] <ted_> can someone please lead me to an non-damaged kompile? every file ive found so far seems to be damaged.
[12:12] <coolt> cum instalez ceva daca nu stiu destinatia?
[12:12] <DaSkreech> What's Avahi?
[12:13] <cntb> connected to DNS  is not it?
[12:13] <coolt> in windows ex: c:/
[12:13] <coolt> in linux?
[12:14] <coolt> how instal?
[12:14] <DaSkreech> coolt: You want the top level?
[12:14] <Xera> /
[12:14] <DaSkreech> coolt: Oh You want the hard drive?
[12:14] <BackPacker> DaSkreech: it's a zerofconf service that replaces the old tmdns
[12:14] <coolt> yes
[12:14] <DaSkreech> BackPacker: Ah ok :)
[12:14] <BackPacker> DaSkreech: DNS tends to work faster if you turn it off
[12:14] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, google man.   Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared.
[12:14] <DaSkreech> !drives