[12:42] <TehZorroness> If I accedentally created a product registration, is there a way to nuke it away?
[12:56] <Nafallo> I don't think anything will ever be erased from launchpad :-P
[12:56] <mdke> TehZorroness: no
[12:57] <mdke> TehZorroness: you can submit a ticket, I believe
[12:58] <TehZorroness> working on it :)
[01:29] <gouki> Hi. I was wondering why do I get certain ammount of points (support and translation) but the total (karma) is allot less 
[11:33] <Seveas> Hiya
[11:33] <Seveas> matthew revell asked to report if launchpad is again sending out 2 mails for one membership approval
[11:33] <Seveas> well, it does :)
[11:33] <Fujitsu> Seveas, it did to me too :)
[11:41] <kiko-afk> Seveas, salgado's finishing off a patch to fix that
[11:41] <Seveas> kiko-afk, ok, I just followed matthew's instructions and reported it
[02:12] <mhb> hello launchpadders ... is there a way to see all members of a team, not just the direct ones?
[02:15] <mdke> mhb: I don't think so
[02:16] <mhb> I wonder if it's easy enough to fit in the Fix-it Friday concept
[02:17] <mdke> mhb: file the bug first, see if you can persuade them it's a helpful feature, then see if you can persuade them to fix it on a friday
[02:18] <mhb> mdke: I will.
[02:18] <mhb> thanks
[02:18] <mdke> I don't know whether indirect team members have all the same privileges of direct members, if so then I guess they'll implement the feature
[02:18] <mhb> I guess they should have
[02:19] <mdke> I'm not so sure, but still, it needs clarifying
[02:19] <mhb> for instance a Kubuntu Member is a Ubuntu Member as well, but won't get listed
[02:20] <mdke> yes. But groups are used for much more than Ubuntu membership. There might be permissions, bugmail or other differences between indirect and direct membership of teams
[02:20] <mdke> I'm not sure if indirect members get bugmail for products where the team is bug contract, for example
[02:21] <mdke> or whether they can change configuration of products where the team is the driver
[02:21] <mdke> file the bug, they'll tell you
[02:32] <mhb> mdke: thanks for your comments. Filed as bug 78185.
[02:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78185 in launchpad "Indirect team members cannot be listed on a team page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78185
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78185 in launchpad "Indirect team members cannot be listed on a team page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78185
[03:52] <mhb> when I want to start translating an upstream project through Launchpad/Rosetta, I need to register it first, right?
[03:53] <mdke> it needs to be registered by the project leaders
[03:53] <mhb> hmm
[03:53] <mhb> what if it is not registered?
[03:53] <mdke> so that it knows that the upstream project has decided to use Rosetta as a translation mechanism
[03:54] <mdke> mhb: then it doesn't use Rosetta for translations
[03:54] <mdke> most likely
[03:54] <mhb> mdke: you don't understand what I mean
[03:54] <mhb> mdke: it doesn't use Rosetta for translations as a whole
[03:55] <mdke> so you should probably contact the project leaders and recommend Rosetta, right?
[03:55] <mhb> mdke: wait
[03:55] <mdke> sorry
[03:55] <mhb> mdke: AFAIK some GNOME translation teams use Rosetta too
[03:56] <mhb> mdke: but not all of them
[03:56] <mdke> and they sync their own translations manually with Gnome CVS?
[03:56] <mhb> mdke: I guess so
[03:56] <LarstiQ> gnome has a special status iirc
[03:56] <mdke> I think that's probably right
[03:57] <mhb> I'm getting really confused now
[03:57] <mhb> there are some people who recommend to use Rosetta for translations even when only a certain language uses it
[03:57] <mhb> and you sound like you don't like that approach
[03:58] <mhb> mdke: that's what I want to do - manually upload the translations, but be able to manage them in Rosetta
[03:59] <mdke> it means that the language that uses Rosetta will have to deal with two separate translation methods. You'd have to manually upload them, manage them in Rosetta, AND merge any other contributions
[03:59] <mhb> mdke: but it's impossible to go and say "let's all move into Launchpad"
[03:59] <mhb> well, that's possible - but it will never be approved
[03:59] <mhb> mdke: yes, you have to manually upload them
[04:00] <mdke> and merge other contributions into Rosetta
[04:00] <mdke> which project is this?
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78194 in malone "Should be able to attach files when first submitting a bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78194
[04:00] <mhb> mdke: if you state that the active translation happens in Rosetta the translators will send the .po files to you
[04:02] <mdke> what's the project?
[04:02] <LarstiQ> mhb: it's best to talk to one of the Rosetta people
[04:02] <mhb> mdke: beryl
[04:03] <mdke> and you can't convince them to use Rosetta generally?
[04:03] <mhb> mdke: I can suggest that, but I guess some of them will vote against that - and even then, it will take a lot of time before they will move to it
[04:04] <mhb> mdke: so I'd have to wait several months with the translations, and that's unproductive
[04:04] <mdke> give it a try. But as for using it on a language by language basis, you will probably need to speak to a Rosetta developer to authorise that
[04:04] <LarstiQ> mhb: danilos and carlos might not be present at the moment, you could mail launchpad-users though
[04:04] <mdke> LarstiQ: (rosetta-users)
[04:04] <LarstiQ> mdke: that exists? Ok :)
[04:05] <mhb> last time I talked to them it seemed to me that they approve such process, but maybe I expressed myself incorrectly.
[04:05] <mhb> I'll wait for them then. Waiting a few days is better than a few months.
[04:06] <mdke> try both!
[04:07] <LarstiQ> both waiting a few months and a few days? :)
[04:07] <mdke> try talking to carlos/danilo and convincing beryl to use rosetta
[04:07] <LarstiQ> mdke: but ja, I'd also mail rosetta-users
[04:07] <LarstiQ> mdke: oh, all three!
[04:11] <mdke> it's important to get it right, because doing it wrong will lead to people adding translations in Rosetta for languages that don't use it
[04:12] <mhb> mdke: I understand. 
[05:09] <mdke> does anyone know a way to remove deactivated members *entirely* from the list of team members?
[05:10] <mdke> for example I'd like to remove myself from https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-it/+members, now that the structure of the group has been changed and there are only indirect members
[05:10] <mdke> also, anyone know a way to get rid of that irritating %7E in the above url, and replace it with a ~?
[05:15] <mdke> ciao Gwaihir 
[05:17] <Gwaihir> ciao mdke
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78232 in malone "Marking bugs as dupes is a PITA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78232