[12:14] <Nafallo> mdke: I think it's added on the rc and final
[12:14] <mdke> Nafallo: so it is still intended to be present in 7.04?
[12:14] <mdke> is henrik still the right person to ask about that sort of thing?
[12:15] <Nafallo> mdke: AFAIK
[12:15] <Nafallo> on both questions ;-)
[12:15] <mdke> thanks
[12:15] <Nafallo> or rather. sabdfl takes that decision, no? :-)
[12:26] <hunger> What is the status of upstart in feisty? Were there changes compared to edgy yet?
[12:27] <Nafallo> Keybuk: hilight for hunger ^ :-)
[12:27] <mdke> hunger: zcat /usr/share/doc/upstart/changelogTABCOMPLETE | less
[12:28] <crimsun> err, not zless?
[12:28] <Nafallo> less and make bash handle it :-P
[12:29] <hunger> mdke: That lists technical glibberish only;-|
[12:29] <_ion> With zsh, /u/s/d/ups/cha<tab>
[12:29] <mdke> hunger: it shows changes since the release of Edgy
[01:08] <Nafallo> LaserJock: FTBFS ;-)
[01:08] <LaserJock> darn
[01:09] <Nafallo> LaserJock: I think it's the same error infinity have tried to solve last time I looked at it months ago :-P
[01:12] <LaserJock> doh
[01:28] <bddebian> Heya
[03:34] <jdong> does wodim/cdrkit write DVD ISO's?
[06:17] <nixternal> jdub: please don't kill me over my latest blog post
[06:20] <jdub> nixternal: heh, just a kick in the arse for me to blog about why it's there
[06:21] <nixternal> hehe
[06:21] <nixternal> i had a good chuckle for sure
[06:24] <nixternal> jdub: i think that would make a great intro to an "Influential People in Open Source" presentation :)
[06:41] <jdub> nixternal: published :-)
[06:41] <nixternal> uh oh :)
[07:37] <jdub> nixternal: oh, i understand one aspect of your blog entry now
[07:37] <nixternal> which is?
[07:37] <jdub> nixternal: those are just del.icio.us formatted link posting entries
[07:37] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:54] <fabbione> cjwatson: when you have time i would love if you could take a look at #78161. thanks
[09:21] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: please give-back ubiquity where it failed
[09:22] <cjwatson> fabbione: queued up for Monday
[09:41] <fabbione> cjwatson: thanks a lot.
[09:49] <cypher1> hi all.. i have a source package which needs a dependency on sysvinit.. is it correct ?
[09:50] <cypher1> if we put a dependency then people who want to build the source may then have to remove upstart, correct ?
[09:54] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: given-back
[09:55] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:55] <cjwatson> cypher1: what exactly does it need sysvinit for?
[09:56] <cjwatson> cypher1: you may find that that build-dependency can be replaced with some other related package
[10:02] <cypher1> cjwatson, /usr/include/initreq.h
[10:02] <cypher1> cjwatson, the source package needs that
[10:06] <cjwatson> cypher1: oh, ugh. Yes, for now it will probably only work with sysvinit then. I suggest you talk with Scott about what would be needed to port that to upstart's interface.
[10:06] <Fujitsu> What package, cypher1?
[10:06] <Mithrandir> you could just include that file in your package, though that's evil..
[10:07] <cjwatson> is it really not possible to use the command-line interfaces?
[10:07] <cypher1> Fujitsu, genpower
[10:08] <cypher1> i gotta run.. thanks all.. i wll talk to scott
[01:00] <sacater> hellos, is there any1 here i can talk to about reccomending a change in the menu
[01:00] <sacater> change TO the menus
[01:00] <mdke> sacater: what sort of change is it?
[01:02] <sacater> well, when ive givin out CD's ive been told that the most annoying thing is when you hover youre mouse over an app in the menu, say gaim, the description covers up the app below it
[01:02] <sacater> people want to get a description of the app but also be able to see the next in the list
[01:02] <mdke> ok, it's #ubuntu-desktop for that, or if no one answers, the ubuntu-desktop mailing list
[01:02] <sacater> ive had 6 complaints about that
[01:02] <sacater> kk
[01:02] <sacater> ty
[01:47] <matteo> hi all
[01:48] <matteo> i have debian running on my desktop and ubuntu on my laptop, now i want to create a pbuilder in my desktop that makes ubuntu packages, should I just replace mirrors in pbuilderrc before creating the pbuilder chroot?
[02:42] <jaalto> Is anyone here who has experience in building kernel dependent debian packages
[02:59] <mucker> hi
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya
[05:36] <alex-weej> has anybody ever discussed namespacing package names in Ubuntu?
[05:36] <alex-weej> e.g. org.gnome.Epiphany
[05:36] <alex-weej> instead of epiphany-browser
[05:36] <jelmer> alex-weej: there are sections
[05:37] <alex-weej> i'm not sure that works as expected
[05:37] <alex-weej> example
[05:37] <alex-weej> every time i get a new ubuntu system
[05:37] <alex-weej> i always install "epiphany" thinking i'm getting the browser
[05:37] <alex-weej> turns out i get some kind of 2d game
[05:38] <jelmer> that's more a matter of name clashing
[05:38] <jelmer> what if the epiphany game would become available for GNOME?
[05:38] <alex-weej> then it would have its name changed
[05:39] <alex-weej> there would be more of an issue than its names in an APT repository
[05:39] <alex-weej> think bugzilla, www, etc. :P
[05:39] <Mithrandir> alex-weej: so you want to rework the whole naming structure because you install a package with a similar name to the one you want?
[05:39] <bhale> either you will reinstall very rarely like normal people and not have a problem
[05:39] <jelmer> It wouldn't necessarily have to live in GNOME CVS
[05:40] <bhale> or figure it out eventually, and also not have a problem remember 'epiphany-browser'
[05:40] <bhale> shrug
[05:40] <jelmer> I guess my point is: it's a bad idea in any case to have the same name for two applications.
[05:40] <alex-weej> just to make it more consistent
[05:40] <jelmer> I've been bitten by this particular case myself too
[05:40] <alex-weej> i dunno :[
[05:40] <_ion> I don't have a problem with how it works now, but AFAIK gentoo has something like 'games-blah/epiphany' and 'www-browser/epiphany'
[05:40] <alex-weej> yep
[05:41] <alex-weej> and if you try "emerge epiphany" it says its ambigious
[05:41] <alex-weej> ser
[05:41] <alex-weej> ambiguous
[05:41] <alex-weej> lol
[05:41] <jelmer> why not simply rename the existing 'epiphany' package to 'epiphany-game' so that there's epiphany-browser and epiphany-game?
[05:43] <alex-weej> i thought the namespacing was good for other stuff
[05:43] <Nafallo> jelmer: yes. and then a transitional package to the next LTS ;-)
[05:43] <alex-weej> like if you search for gtk you get lots of apps for gtk
[05:43] <Nafallo> jelmer: in that case I want debian in on that :-)
[05:43] <alex-weej> but not necessarily what you want
[05:43] <alex-weej> a search for org.gtk would probably be more useful
[05:44] <Mithrandir> you are aware of debtags?
[05:44] <jelmer> Tags are more useful for that
[05:44] <alex-weej> no
[05:44] <Nafallo> hej Mithrandir :-)
[05:44] <jelmer> what if there's a Samba frontend in GTK, what would its namespace be?
[05:44] <alex-weej> whatever the vendor's namespace is
[05:44] <Mithrandir> hiya Nafallo 
[05:44] <alex-weej> org.samba.GtkSambaFrontend
[05:46] <jelmer> alex-weej: so you'd need to know the vendor in order to install a particular package?
[05:46] <alex-weej> no, 'cause the string search still works
[05:46] <alex-weej> samba matches org.myco.MySambaFrontend :P
[05:46] <jelmer> But "apt-get install gtk-samba" wouldn't, I'd have to do a search first
[05:47] <Mithrandir> alex-weej: so apt-get install samba wouldn't DTRT any more?
[05:47] <alex-weej> hmm
[05:48] <alex-weej> i guess certain very well known packages could have dummy packages that just depend on the FQPN
[05:48] <alex-weej> :P
[05:48] <jelmer> debtags is very nice in that you can see for packages that have protocol::smb and ui::interface::gtk
[05:48] <alex-weej> is there any UI for this in Synaptic?
[05:48] <alex-weej> i do recall seeing that in Aptitude
[05:48] <Mithrandir> it's in aptitude and the KDE thingy, but not synaptic, afaik.
[05:52] <finalbeta> I've created a Java 6 program under ubuntu. Some parts of it feel sluggish, even after much tweaking. Now when I move the app to windows. It's superfast. Seems native. GUI actually builds faster on a 1.8Ghz laptop in windows then running it on a 3Ghz desktop running ubuntu. I notice an amazing windows <> linux difference in speed on dual boot systems. Anyone has any idea what to blame this on? I'm using native look and feel. I know
[05:52] <finalbeta>  this is not really the place, but where is...
[05:53] <cat> #java perhaps?
[05:53] <finalbeta> The say, #ubuntu perhaps.
[05:53] <finalbeta> they*, fine, nobody knows :p
[05:59] <BenC> anyone around that can process linux-source-2.6.20 5-7 through NEW?
[05:59] <BenC> Mithrandir: ping
[06:00] <Mithrandir> BenC: sure, just let me find my laptop
[06:00] <BenC> Mithrandir: k, thanks
[06:00] <BenC> Mithrandir: I'll upload lrm and linux-meta now then, so within an hour or two lrm will need NEW love too
[06:04] <mdke> finalbeta: I've seen Windows XP working quite a bit faster than Ubuntu on lower specification computers, I think it's just a bit snappier in general at the moment. But yeah, probably #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic is better
[06:11] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: lol. find you laptop? ;-)
[06:11] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: you should get a darkelf. they are not so easy to hide :-P
[06:12] <Mithrandir> it's only that it tends to stay in my backpack when I'm at home.
[06:13] <Nafallo> hehe
[06:19] <Nafallo> jdong: and gajim :-)
[06:19] <jdong> Nafallo: gajim looks fine to me; if you open up a launchpad.net/dapper-backports ticket I'll immediately approve it
[06:20] <Nafallo> nice.
[06:20] <jdong> and then it totally depends on Mithrandir and friends when Backports will be processed next ;-)
[06:20] <Nafallo> jdong: ehrm. where? :-)
[06:20] <jdong> Nafallo: product dapper-backports
[06:22] <Nafallo> jdong: and then "Support"? :-)
[06:22] <jdong> file bug
[06:22] <Nafallo> ah :-)
[06:22] <Nafallo> not a ticket then ;-)
[06:23] <Nafallo> jdong: oh. you meant edgy btw :-)
[06:23] <ScottK> Is this the correct place to ask about getting a package for Feisty through NEW?  I have another Universe package that depends on this one that I'm trying to get into Feisty.
[06:23] <jdong> hehe I knew that :)
[06:23] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl
[06:24] <jdong> ScottK: they don't like to be poked about doing their regular duties, IIRC
[06:24] <jdong> but yes :)
[06:24] <ScottK> OK.
[06:24] <Nafallo> jdong: 78215 :-)
[06:24] <ScottK> This is my first time with a new package and I'm trying to figure out the process.  Thanks.
[06:24] <Nafallo> bug 78215
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78215 in edgy-backports "gajim_0.11-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78215
[06:25] <jdong> Nafallo: approved; welcome to the wait-on-backports-queue club!
[06:26] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: care to let that backport through? :-)
[06:26] <Nafallo> jdong: thanks :-)
[06:26] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I try not to work too much outside work hours, so no, not really.
[06:27] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: sounds like a good idea :-)
[06:27] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: I nag you again if you forget it on monday then *smiles* ;-)
[07:16] <glatzor_> Hello Seveas, you set up a web page that could render a custom sources.list?
[07:17] <Seveas> yes
[07:17] <Seveas> glatzor_, www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:19] <glatzor> Seveas: hm. the site is quite conservative :) do you know some widely used third party repositories?
[07:20] <Seveas> glatzor, the ones listed there
[07:20] <Seveas> I tend to be conservative with that site
[07:20] <glatzor> I think about providing nice descriptions for the them in software-properties
[07:20] <Seveas> ah, you want to keep working around the wrong design that is sources.list =)
[07:21] <glatzor> I looked at a sources.list that was attached to a bug report and holds a lot of repositories, but I never heard of them yet
[07:21] <glatzor> Seveas: backwards compatibility is a key feature :)
[07:21] <Seveas> if it was trevios sourcs.list: it contains mostly crap
[07:22] <glatzor> Seveas: ms has got a harder job to keep compatible with win95 :)
[07:22] <Seveas> glatzor, being a nice platform for 3rd party vendors is more important imho
[07:22] <glatzor> wait, I will upload it
[07:23] <glatzor_> Seveas:  http://files.glatzor.de/sources.list
[07:25] <glatzor> Seveas: oh, most of them seem to be down :)
[07:25] <Seveas> glatzor, or crap
[07:26] <Seveas> plf is dead, the compiz one is horrible, the mlind ones are okay-ish
[07:26] <Nafallo> repo.nafallo.info should be okey :-)
[07:26] <glatzor> Seveas: thanks
[07:26] <Seveas> glatzor, another thing about the source-o-matic is that is does nightly checks of the listed repos ;)
[07:26] <Seveas> Nafallo, what's in it?
[07:26] <Nafallo> Seveas: my repo ;-)
[07:27] <Seveas> hehe, of course, but what;s in there?
[07:27] <glatzor> Nafallo: what modifications have you done to the xen packages?
[07:27] <Nafallo> glatzor: made a server flavour on amd64 :-)
[07:27] <glatzor> Nafallo: Oh, some evil stuff inside :)
[07:27] <Nafallo> glatzor: not in sweden ;-)
[07:28] <Nafallo> some necessary stuff though :-)
[07:28] <glatzor> Nafallo: The Scandinavians, where the world is still ok :)
[07:28] <Nafallo> some of those things are outdated aswell :-)
[07:29] <Nafallo> foo is a random place for people to test bugfixes before upload, the rest should be rather straightforward what it is :-)
[07:30] <_ion> glatzor: The world is still ok you say?
[07:30] <Nafallo> _ion: isn't it in .fi? :-)
[07:31] <_ion> The .fi equivalent of MAFIAA has successfully lobbied evil laws in here, too.
[07:32] <Nafallo> lol
[07:32] <Nafallo> MAFIAA :-)
[07:32] <_ion> Now e.g. "organized discussion" about breaking copy protection is illegal.
[07:32] <Nafallo> _ion: ouch. come here :-)
[07:33] <glatzor> _ion: here in Germany all people and politicians stare at Sweden when decisions about reforming the society have to be made
[07:34] <Nafallo> glatzor: that's a good sign, right? :-)
[07:34] <glatzor> depends on :)
[07:35] <glatzor> _ion: here you can get even into jail for breaking copy protections
[07:35] <Nafallo> but then again. we have a law against downloading. and one against uploading. still everyone you talk to does it :-)
[07:35] <glatzor> _ion: and supporting it
[07:37] <glatzor> Nafallo: they cannot prevent the use, but they can establish a monopole on comfortable use.
[07:37] <Nafallo> the latest "non-official" is btw that all ISPs are installing hardware to log EVERYTHING
[07:38] <Nafallo> and decrypt encrypted stuff as well :-P
[07:38] <Nafallo> there is reason I most often encrypt x3 ;-)
[07:39] <glatzor> Nafallo: x3?
[07:40] <Nafallo> glatzor: yepp :-). SSL, IPSec and GnuPG most often :-)
[07:40] <Nafallo> s/SSL/SSL\/TLS/
[07:41] <Nafallo> gdebi is translated to use j instead of y in Swedish, but j seems to count as n :-P
[07:42] <glatzor> Nafallo: oh, three times. In the first run I thought that this was the acronym of secret technique :)
[07:42] <Nafallo> glatzor: hehe. oki :-), x == times :-)
[07:43] <Nafallo> or multiplied ;-)
[07:43] <Nafallo> in this case :-)
[09:27] <exobuzz> the gb.archive.ubuntu.com mirror hasn't updated since 2 days ago. are you aware of this, and if not, who should be contacted ?
[09:30] <_ion> mirrors@ubuntu.com perhaps
[09:30] <exobuzz> ok
[09:30] <exobuzz> i cant privmsg you. im not registered btw. but yes perhaps on #amigascne :)
[09:31] <_ion> Ok, cool. :-)
[09:33] <exobuzz> thanks. i mailed them
[10:07] <ernstp> seems se.archive.ubuntu.com hasn't been updated in a couple of days
[10:10] <AstralJava> I dunno, yesterday I got Firefox and Thunderbird updates thru it.
[10:10] <AstralJava> No, sorry, only Thunderbird.
[10:11] <AstralJava> $ ll /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep thunderbird
[10:11] <AstralJava> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10756290 2007-01-05 02:03 mozilla-thunderbird_1.5.0.9-0ubuntu0.6.10_i386.deb
[10:12] <AstralJava> Avahi updates came last night.
[10:17] <Nafallo> ernstp: beard!
[10:17] <ernstp> Nafallo: huh?
[10:17] <Nafallo> ernstp: that's probably a lie :-)
[10:18] <Nafallo> ernstp: easy enough to check though :-)
[10:19] <ernstp> well I have
[10:19] <ernstp> and the se. mirror is still at 04-Jan-2007 05:12
[10:20] <ernstp> it's usually quite quick. ah well, they'll probably will fix it on monday
[10:20] <AstralJava> Ahh... you're talking about feisty, aren't you? Sorry I mixed up things.
[10:20] <Nafallo> maswan: can you check the logs. ernstp says se.a.u.c isn't up-to-date :-)
[10:21] <ernstp> yeah, this for example: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/
[10:22] <Nafallo> ernstp: actually. I just apt-cache madison different stuff from feisty-changes, and you seem to be right :-). nice catch.
[10:24] <ernstp> aight!
[10:25] <maswan> Nafallo: seems like the last sync on the 4th went just fine, we haven't gotten triggered since then
[10:26] <Nafallo> maswan: ah. so error from the DC? :-)
[10:26] <maswan> Nafallo: dunno, possibly. I can do a manual sync now and see if it catches any updates
[10:26] <Nafallo> maswan: you be nice :-). thanks.
[10:28] <Nafallo> ehh
[10:28] <Nafallo> s/you/that\ would/
[10:29] <Nafallo> maswan: hehe, that to :-)
[10:31] <Nafallo> maswan: but it you haven't been triggered that must be a bug :-)
[10:31] <Nafallo> elmo, Znarl: ^ :-)
[10:32] <maswan> Nafallo: I took it up over at the appropriate forum already. :)
[10:32] <Nafallo> maswan: ah. you have one of those as well. kewl :-).
[10:32] <maswan> Nafallo: there is a #u-mirrors, where all the cool guys hang out. ;)