[01:38] <beuno> elkbuntu, around?
[03:19] <beuno> hello
[03:19] <somerville32> Hi
[03:19] <beuno> how's it going?
[03:19] <somerville32> lol
[03:20] <somerville32> My edgy-> Feisty has failed
[03:20] <Burgundavia> heh
[03:20] <beuno> : /
[03:20] <beuno> it's a bit early to jump, ain't it?
[03:20] <somerville32> I'm a developer
[03:21] <somerville32> pesudo-developer, haha
[03:21] <Burgundavia> not really
[03:21] <somerville32> Burgundavia, not really too early to jump?
[03:21] <beuno> somerville32: any idea what happend to UWN 27?
[03:21] <beuno> it's not on gobby, it's not on the wiki
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> uh oh
[03:22] <Burgundavia> somerville32: I am only here for about 10 more minutes, then I am off again for a few days
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> errrr
[03:23] <somerville32> UWN 27 is... missing?
[03:23] <beuno> it's not on gobby
[03:23] <beuno> it's not on the wiki
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> looks like it somerville32 
[03:24] <beuno> I've been waiting around for you   ;D
[03:25] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, What happened? Wasn't it on your server?
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: It was - I'm not sure
[03:26] <somerville32> It doesn't just disappear...
[03:27] <Burgundavia> did you guys have it saving every 10 minutes? poingrus server did
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Every five I think, but I don't see anything in the file.
[03:28] <somerville32> So... vanadal?
[03:28] <somerville32> I guess this is why we don't leave it in gobby, lol
[03:29] <somerville32> Burgundavia, have you sent out UWN 26 yet and can I get the passwd for the ml?
[03:29] <Burgundavia> yes and yes, just a sec
[03:29] <Burgundavia> one thing about it, always make everybody go to moderation
[03:30] <somerville32> Burgundavia, What do you mean?
[03:30] <beuno> somerville32: maybe we should have a *private* gobby and not make the password public?
[03:30] <Burgundavia> don't flag your email as allowing anything you send through
[03:30] <somerville32> beuno: Nah. If we import back to the wiki after we're done each time, then we'll be fine.
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I would be far more likely to say my server had a panic attack, got in a fistfight with its multiple personalities, and got drunk and threw up the file before I blamed vandals.
[03:31] <Burgundavia> what is your email, somerville32?
[03:31] <somerville32> Burgundavia, cody-somerville@ubuntu.com (-> cody.somerville@gmail.com)
[03:31] <Burgundavia> forwarded
[03:32] <somerville32> Awesome.
[03:32] <beuno> so... UWN 27 is MIA?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> somerville32: ok, you are now a list admin as well
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Does bash have variables for date/time that could be used in a script to put them in a filename?
[03:34] <beuno> tonyyarusso: yeap  (looking for it, but I've used it before)
[03:34] <somerville32> UWN 27 is fine
[03:34] <somerville32> Wiki has revisions
[03:35] <somerville32> mdke will have to make his additions again
[03:35] <somerville32> Any work we got done... will have to be done again
[03:35] <somerville32> Does anybody have any newer revision?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> somerville32: btw, 26 looked great
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to make a cronjob to get multiple layers of backups in place
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> beuno: there's the stuff in 'man date' - can I use that somehow?
[03:37] <beuno> yes, looking for the syntax
[03:37] <somerville32> Just use the date command
[03:37] <somerville32> "moo" > moo-`data <syntax>`
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> "moo" > moo-`date +%a` , for instance?
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Beautiful.
[03:39] <beuno> tonyyarusso: this was helpful when cooking up bash scripts:  http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashPitfalls
[03:40] <somerville32> Burgundavia, You think so? I wasn't so pleased with 26
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Count to 500 and then visit http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/
[03:45] <somerville32> That better have UWN 27 :P
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> nope
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> but if I get it working might help in the future
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> which it didn't
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[03:46] <somerville32> Well, I'm going to look into this later.
[03:47] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Please send me a copy of the logs.
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> why does cron hate me..
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: We have nothing, literally nothing.
[03:47] <somerville32> What about the other sobby servers? Did they die too?
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> Well, I have a full session file from yours for teaching code, but neither of the real ones
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> I'm sorry, this probably comes down to being my fault.
[03:54] <somerville32> Probably :] 
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> (so not needed this week...)
[03:54] <somerville32> Hm?
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> I have to go back to school tomorrow, I'm already stressed enough.
[03:55] <somerville32> I got called into work today
[03:55] <somerville32> so I'm super tired :] 
[03:55] <beuno> I can setup a backup gobby server with backups if that reliefs some stress...
[03:56] <somerville32> Ummm... I think we'll get the primary gobby server back online
[03:56] <somerville32> :] 
[03:56] <beuno> with backups...?   ;)
[03:57] <beuno> probably not the best time to joke around
[03:57] <beuno> I'll work on UWN tomorrow on the wiki to try and get back on rack
[03:57] <beuno> track
[03:59] <somerville32> Perfect.
[03:59] <somerville32> Remember that the release date is the 8th
[03:59] <somerville32> We gotta boggy
[03:59] <beuno> yes, closes the 7th, release the 8th
[04:00] <somerville32> Well... thats how it suppose to go, yes :()
[04:00] <somerville32> :D
[04:02] <beuno> seems we got a translation to portugues of the UWN 26
[04:02] <somerville32> :D
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> NOW look at http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> That format is dayofweek_hourinUTC
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Should do it every hour on the 55-past mark
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Set up an rsync of that so you have them.
[04:04] <beuno> ok, good
[04:04] <beuno> will do
[04:04] <beuno> you created a shell account for me?
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> beuno: No - can't you just get from the folder?
[04:04] <beuno> with rsync, I'm not sure
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> Not sure how rsync works, but wget http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/* would do it, so I assume it's possible.
[04:05] <beuno> although I could cron "wget" instead
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> If not, use wget I guess :)
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> Although, that's lame
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> We'll talk some other time about how rsync works, b/c I know it's better but don't know how to use it.
[04:05] <beuno> I can setup a sheel account for this
[04:06] <beuno> and give you the command to send it with a cron
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> that would work
[04:06] <beuno> although automatic rsync is a pain to setup too (need the rsa keys and all that on each side)
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> eww
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> Like I said, another time :)
[04:07] <beuno> yeap
[04:07] <beuno> I'll try and find a "paste this" solution
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> Actually, hold on there
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> If you set up wget with the same variable, you could get just the one file.
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> It's running cp /home/anthony/.uwn_sobby_session /var/www/ubuntu/uwn_backups/`date -u +%a_%H`
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> So you could do 'wget http://yarusso.no-ip.org/ubuntu/uwn_backups/`date -u +%a_%H`' and run it a few minutes later
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> Let me change it to be earlier in the hour so that works
[04:09] <beuno> if we have the same time, yes
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> If you're syncing, you will :)
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> There, it's on the 45 of the hour
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> If you run yours on the 55, we have ten minutes of buffer between our clocks
[04:10] <beuno> malbiset@rh1 [~] # date
[04:10] <beuno> Sat Jan  6 00:10:34 ART 2007
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> Sat Jan  6 03:10:56 UTC 2007
[04:11] <somerville32> @now atlantic
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Use the -u switch to get utc
[04:11] <beuno> Sat Jan  6 03:11:46 UTC 2007
[04:12] <beuno> :/
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> there we go
[04:12] <beuno> well
[04:12] <beuno> the hour works
[04:13] <beuno> setting it up
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> Just cron the wget above then and it should work
[04:14] <somerville32> :)
[04:16] <beuno> can you generate one now
[04:16] <beuno> so I can test it?
[04:16] <beuno> 03
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> done
[04:18] <beuno> http://www.uluga.com.ar/gobby_backup/
[04:18] <beuno> I'm running it on minute 55
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> yay
[04:19] <beuno> ;D
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> We should add this info to the editing policies page
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> done
[04:23] <beuno> I love "redundant" stuff
[04:27] <beuno> ok, restored wiki
[04:27] <somerville32> Perfect.
[04:27] <somerville32> We'll need to notify people of what has happened
[04:28] <somerville32> Please e-mail ubuntu-marketing on my behalf
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> I will
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> beuno: I don't know how, but it would be awesome if you had a script such that if your wget 404d it set off an e-mail alarm to you and I :)
[04:31] <beuno> hmmm
[04:31] <beuno> ok
[04:31] <beuno> I'll see what I can up with
[04:31] <beuno> what I *can* so
[04:32] <beuno> do
[04:32] <beuno> now
[04:32] <beuno> is for you to get an email every time the cron runs with it's outpuy
[04:32] <beuno> output
[04:33] <beuno> but that guarantees 1 email per hour
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> Preferably only e-mail on error
[04:36] <beuno> can't find an easy way
[04:36] <beuno> maybe a secod cron job
[04:36] <beuno> that checks what happend
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> that would work
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> see if the expected file exists
[04:38] <beuno> yeap
[04:38] <beuno> to what address?
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> hmm, good question
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> This nick AT earthlink DOT net
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> I'll have to allow it the first time, so send me a dummy message before something goes wrong :)
[04:47] <beuno> ok
[04:47] <beuno> one sec
[10:12] <rjian> hello somerville32
[02:26] <Riddell> somerville32: humph, UWN is missing my kubuntu article that I put on gobby
[02:27] <Riddell> oh, hang on, that's No 26
[02:27] <Riddell> hmm, the No 27 wiki page is also missing it
[02:29] <elkbuntu> Riddell, slight technical... disintergration happened
[02:29] <elkbuntu> 27 as it was got lost into the ether
[02:29] <Riddell> oh crivvens
[02:29] <Riddell> ok, I'll re-write
[02:29] <elkbuntu> yeah.. that was the basic reaction earlier
[02:30] <elkbuntu> nobody has much choice on that, so thanks :)
[02:30] <Riddell> may I recommend a collaborative editor that has an undo function? :)
[02:31] <elkbuntu> Riddell, if you know of one?
[02:32] <Riddell> mateedit
[02:32] <Riddell> actually, that won't work, it only does local network sessions as I remember
[02:33] <Riddell> oh well, I've put my bit back now
[02:33] <elkbuntu> many thanks :)
[02:33] <elkbuntu> i believe they're doing hourly backups of it now, so fingers and toes crossed
[08:33] <bethko> Hello, I have what is most likely a stupid question. Why is it that when ever I'm in an Ubuntu chat room there is nothing going on?
[08:35] <somerville32> join #ubuntu
[08:35] <somerville32> It is always active
[08:38] <bethko> Yeah, too active. I can't keep up.
[08:38] <juliux> hi all
[08:38] <bethko> I'm doomed to email coraspondance the rest of my life?
[08:39] <juliux> somerville32, did we need for the future a new gobby server ??
[08:39] <bethko> And when are they going to fix the spell check in Gaim
[08:40] <atoponce> bethko: where are you located? there are a number of online resources that you can use outside of email
[08:40] <bethko> I have an idea
[08:40] <bethko> California
[08:41] <atoponce> you're aware of the california loco team, no?
[08:41] <bethko> And it's cold here to let you know it's not all sunny like they make it out to be. and the flu is going arround
[08:41] <atoponce> #ubuntu-california
[08:41] <bethko> I joined but they dont seem to do much
[08:42] <atoponce> plus, #ubuntuforums (the the forums themselves)
[08:42] <atoponce> they're fairly active
[08:43] <bethko> You know how all the meeting are sceduled and use that strange time thing that everyone can read but me? 
[08:44] <atoponce> utc?
[08:44] <bethko> Maybe there are other time/math chalged people out there
[08:44] <atoponce> california is utc-8 hours, iirc
[08:45] <bethko> if we could have a kind of reminder through email or something when the meeting are going to be.
[08:45] <juliux> date -u ;)
[08:46] <bethko> I know we have the weekly news letter and thats really great
[08:46] <atoponce> are you talking about the next community council meeting?
[08:48] <bethko> but if we could have another service aka list that sends out reminders of every meeting the day before the meeting with the related time zones and what time that is.
[08:49] <bethko> so i would open an email and it would tell me which room and dirrections on how to get to that room and what time I need to be in that room. 
[08:50] <atoponce> that's just unecessary bandwidth.  do you know how many emails that would be, and how often they would need to be sent out?
[08:51] <atoponce> setting all meetings to UTC allows you, regardless of where you are in the world, to plan for it. you just need to plan for it yourself, if you want to be involved
[08:51] <bethko> I can't read UTC
[08:52] <bethko> Tell me in pacific time and I will be there
[08:52] <atoponce> pacific time is UTC -8 hours.
[08:52] <bethko> And some people aren't that organized and need the email reminders
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> beat me to it
[08:52] <bethko> What TIME is that?
[08:53] <atoponce> Sat Jan  6 19:52:17 UTC 2007
[08:53] <bethko> Use 00:00 AM/PM
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> 19 UTC = 11am
[08:53] <atoponce> that's the current UTC time.
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> 19-8 = 11 Pacific
[08:55] <bethko> Good! Now do that for all the meeting times and we'll be set
[08:56] <atoponce> now you know how to read UTC.  
[08:57] <bethko> Maybe there's a calcular out there...
[08:57] <atoponce> there are. tons in fact.
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> worldtimeserver.com iirc
[08:57] <bethko> I understand it yes. Doing is more difficult
[08:57] <atoponce> again, though, `date -u`.  it's all you need
[08:58] <atoponce> it should be easy to see with that how long you have until the next meeting
[08:58] <bethko> date -u
[08:58] <bethko> ?
[08:58] <atoponce> pull up a terminal, and type it
[08:59] <bethko> I got the time
[08:59] <atoponce> yup. in utc
[09:00] <atoponce> so when is the next meeting?
[09:00] <atoponce> for me, it's: 09 January 2007, 21:00 UTC
[09:00] <bethko> there are no meeting today
[09:01] <atoponce> Sat Jan  6 20:00:04 UTC 2007
[09:01] <atoponce> so, i have 3 days and 1 hour to go, until i need to be at that meeting
[09:01] <atoponce> easy as pie
[09:02] <atoponce> which, for me, puts me on a tues at 2pm
[09:02] <atoponce> local time
[09:02] <bethko> Yeah if you can add and subtract
[09:02] <atoponce> you can't?
[09:03] <bethko> not really
[09:03] <atoponce> hmm. ok. well, then, use an online converter
[09:03] <bethko> And using a calulator is not too good either
[09:03] <atoponce> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=9&year=2007&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[09:04] <bethko> ok
[09:07] <bethko> Tue 7:00 AM
[09:07] <bethko> ?
[09:09] <bethko> Tue 1:00 PM
[09:09] <bethko> For the comunity consil meeting
[09:09] <bethko> The other one was for the loco meeting
[09:10] <bethko> Thats pacific time
[09:10] <bethko> Or so the calculuaer says