=== poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@pool-71-115-60-210.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-97-229.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.215.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] crimsun: hello [01:16] have you had time to test the new gnome-chemisty-utils packages? === lotfi [n=lotfi@81.22.86.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] geser, there are new ones? How was the goffice issue worked around? [01:26] Fujitsu: I had to use the development version [01:26] Of g-c-u? [01:26] Fujitsu: http://members.ping.de/~mb/gchemutils/ [01:26] yes, g-c-u 0.7.4 [01:27] I used the Debian packaging as a base [01:27] So that actually works? I thought it might. [01:27] How much work was it? [01:27] well === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] what is Debian using? [01:27] it's probably 0.6.3 [01:27] Yep, it is. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] gnome-chemistry-utils 0.6.3-3 0.4.1-0dl2ubuntu3 [01:28] (Sid, Feisty versions respectively) [01:28] Fujitsu: not that much work after I figured out that the goffice problem is fixed in 0.7.x [01:28] yeah [01:28] I had to rename the lib package from libgcu0 to libgcu-unstable0 [01:28] Is the development branch stable enough? [01:28] it's just that that is not stable software [01:28] Heya gang [01:28] LaserJock, like gnumeric. [01:28] and add the files for gcrystal to gcu-bin === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] geser: gcrystal wasn't going into gcu-bin? [01:29] not in the Debian packaging === Fujitsu looks at packaging tilp2. [01:30] well [01:30] I added the files to gcu-bin === lotfi [n=lotfi@81.22.86.36] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [01:30] hey, what is the policy on packagine a shell script? [01:30] we're probably going to release gchemutils 0.8 in mid Feb to early March [01:30] rexbron: you need a policy for that? :-) [01:30] are there any docs that tell you what you have to do differently [01:31] before I upload it to feisty I wanted someone to test the package [01:31] I did a small test today but I'm not using it normally [01:31] geser: I'm a tad hesitant to have it in [01:31] but I can test it [01:32] LaserJock: the current g-c-u in feisty has unmet deps [01:32] we can always use it as a placeholder/fallback if I can't get UVFes for goffice and gchemutils === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] LaserJock, haven't we already got the requisite goffice? [01:32] also unstable [01:32] Ah, true. [01:33] LaserJock: Is there any documentation? [01:33] we'll have stable goffice, gchemutils, and hopefully gchempaint at the time of 2.18's release [01:33] rexbron: there's nothing special to do [01:33] hmm [01:34] on the good side, gchemutils will be on an "Ubuntu friendly" schedule after that ;-) [01:34] LaserJock: I am calling the provided install script for the files. It goes into /usr/bin and /usr/share but the script need root privialges [01:34] *needs [01:34] LaserJock, finally :) === Fujitsu notes we have 20 syncable science packages already. [01:35] well, Ubuntu hadn't skipped ahead with goffice we'd be fine === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] But gnumeric is in main, so takes priority... [01:35] well, considering how many bugs we've gotten from using the latest crack there ... === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] Yeah. [01:36] Heya sistpoty [01:36] hi folks [01:36] hi bddebian [01:36] hi sistpoty [01:36] (though it does have quite a number of nice features) [01:36] hi LaserJock [01:36] yep [01:36] Hi sistpoty. [01:36] and hi Fujitsu [01:36] Fujitsu: the gchemutils author also works quite a bit on goffice/gnumeric [01:36] he's pretty cool [01:37] LaserJock: so how should we proceed with g-c-u? [01:37] fix the current unmet deps? [01:37] geser: well, gimme your package [01:37] I'll test it and talk it over with the author [01:37] http://members.ping.de/~mb/gchemutils/ [01:37] he was previously wary of putting 0.7 in any repos [01:37] if you need i386 you have to run it through a pbuilder [01:37] as it's still unstable software [01:38] shesh, and I'm fresh out of amd64 ;-) [01:38] g-c-u 0.6 depends on libgoffice-1 which isn't in Ubuntu anymore [01:39] I'm very aware of that :-) [01:39] I was planning on putting libgoffice-1 back in [01:39] but I think it's not worth it for one package [01:40] I think we're better off with 0.7 or hopefully 0.8 [01:40] btw gchempaint waits on libgcu-dev [01:40] besides, 0.7 has some of my code in it [01:40] I can't let that not be in the repos ;-) [01:41] geser: what version of gchempaint is it? [01:41] gchempaint 0.6.6-2 [01:47] well, we need to do something with gchemutils anyway, our version is almost 2 years old [01:48] we should also package up bodr too [01:50] What's bodr? [01:52] Blue Obelisk Data Repository [01:53] it's a repo of chemical data [01:53] it's fairly new [01:53] but a fair amount of chemistry packages are starting to use it [01:53] including Kalzium and gchemutils [01:55] OK. [01:55] No Debian package/ITP? [01:55] there was one in the works [01:56] Daniel Leidert was working on it [01:58] But is no longer? === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] Fujitsu: well, I think there was a snag somewhere along the line [02:01] geser: it seems to build and work ok [02:01] geser: but more needs to be done to de"unstable"ize it [02:02] geser: the names of the binaries have -unstable on them still [02:03] do you know how to get rid of it? [02:03] yeah [02:03] it'll take a patch [02:03] there is a line in the .cc of each of the apps [02:05] geser: ok, so I think I should ask the author first before we put it in the repos (since we can't take it back later) since I know he had reservations about it before [02:05] will wait on your answer [02:05] k [02:06] thanks for the work, btw === agent_ [n=agent@pool-71-120-187-51.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] I will try to get the unstable removed without breaking it === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.241.45] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] it's also used in dir names and the lib itself :( [02:12] that will make the diff larger [02:13] any open merges that are available for a rookie to work on? [02:13] well, I think he has a way of doing it [02:13] I can ask him about that too [02:13] nixternal: just close your eyes and point [02:14] doing that now [02:14] ;p [02:14] wait, i do that all the time, everytime i hit the keyboard [02:14] nixternal: before you begin check if a sync request was filed [02:14] yup [02:15] and if possible i will request one as well [02:15] there are several packages waiting for a sync [02:15] why is there not a #ubuntu-security [02:16] lol [02:16] i just noticed that [02:16] joejaxx: with two people? ;-) [02:16] ? [02:16] lol [02:18] nixternal: an easy one: tendra ; check if it builds in feisty pbuilder and file a sync request then [02:18] Nafallo: there has to be more than two people concerned with security on ubuntu [02:18] i will take a look at that [02:18] thanks geser [02:18] joejaxx: where? :-) [02:18] joejaxx: pitti and keescook :-) [02:18] anyone working on aqsis merge? === sistpoty grabs aqsis === joejaxx looks around motu [02:19] Nafallo: :P [02:20] joejaxx, the two Nafallo mentioned are the two that are concerned with security in Ubuntu, although some MOTUs will work on security updates for universe packages (for example, I just backported a security fix for vnc4) [02:20] Fujitsu: nice :-) [02:20] I did some security work when I started. [02:21] That makes my second security fix :P [02:21] at some point I should go back to doing that I guess... [02:21] Fujitsu: yes but i mean there is not a channel for it? ie more people interested in it [02:21] There's no real reason for there to be a channel... [02:22] that is saddening [02:23] I should hope not [02:23] if we had to have a hug team for security it'd make me nervous [02:23] *huge [02:23] well i did not mean necessarily a team [02:23] we have a hug team ;-) [02:24] LaserJock: hugs! :-D [02:24] but the same way how people who are not motu are in #u-motu === Nafallo hugs LaserJock [02:24] and people who are in #u-kernel [02:24] that i what i really mean [02:24] well, but the channels are primarily designed for team communication [02:25] yeah that is true [02:25] joejaxx: security are often more complicated then packaging in general :-) [02:25] I think a universe security team is needed, otherwise bugs don't get seen for 7 months (like the vnc4 one). One of the security team sees a security bug, then ignores it 'cause it's in universe, and nothing ever gets done because nobody is notified. [02:25] yep [02:25] Fujitsu: we have ubuntu-cve [02:25] just have to look at it now and again :-) [02:25] hmm [02:26] Not everything gets a CVE, does it? [02:26] but a team would be nice, to get people interested in helping out [02:26] hm... I guess we could really need a universe-police, the motu-security squat :) [02:26] Fujitsu: most things we care to backport patches for does :-) [02:26] sistpoty: :P :) [02:26] Nafallo, true. [02:26] sistpoty: motu-swat team :-D [02:26] hehe [02:27] I'd like to see MOTU Security and MOTU QA teams get going [02:27] LaserJock: +1 [02:27] LaserJock: I've been thinking a little bit about qa as well... ;) [02:27] motu-swat. everything else you have to read up what it is... like greyskull :-) [02:27] yay === joejaxx is a catalyst [02:27] lol [02:27] LaserJock, same. [02:28] LaserJock: I guess it might be good to know about which packages are ubuntu maintained at first :) [02:28] and then see, which are still actively maintained *g* === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo found mplayer being in bad shape security-wise :-/ [02:28] Nafallo: don't fear people away from motu-swat :P === sistpoty wouldn't want to touch mplayer [02:29] I was trying to figure out the other day how we could create a list of Debian RC/high severity bugs that have been fixed since the version Ubuntu has [02:29] It would be nice to have a team which was bug contact for Ubuntu-only packages, so we could get a nice list. [02:29] sistpoty: I would probably be dumb enough to join myself :-) [02:29] hehe [02:29] LaserJock, that shouldn't be too difficult. There's a list of RC bugs somewhere, which can be processed fairly easily... [02:29] LaserJock: ubuntu-cve has that :-) [02:29] In fact, I think MoM creates such a list. [02:29] ah no. [02:30] not RC/high [02:30] dooh [02:31] well, I want to have say an RC list, a high list, a normal list, etc. [02:31] Fujitsu: would that be useful. I already are bugcontact for my packages :-P [02:31] Nafallo, but quite a number of maintainers seem to have wandered off. [02:31] we also need regularly updated lists of unmet deps and FTBFS [02:31] I tried to do that once, but LP didn't let me *g* [02:31] (the bug contact thingy) [02:32] sistpoty, we do it for science. [02:32] Fujitsu: right. I do from time to time :-/ [02:32] Did the scheduled rebuild test ever occur?> [02:32] Or is Soyuz still incapable? [02:32] then we need to figure out what kind of upgrade testing we want to do [02:32] hm... I guess we should focus on merges first, to get these done ASAP, and then look for FTBFS/unmetdeps [02:33] it would be good it the sync request get processed soon [02:33] so it gets easier to spot packages which still need merging [02:34] geser, yep. === Fujitsu groans. [02:34] and MoM turned on... [02:34] yay... when's the next archive-admin day? [02:34] dooh. that got kinky... [02:34] monday? [02:34] tuesday and thursday, no? [02:34] Why oh why did I upload azureus... It's now got my name next to it for merging... :S [02:34] Fujitsu: haha [02:34] Nafallo, Tue/Fri, I thought. [02:34] for universe security work, I'd love to see a motu team. [02:35] then I could subscribe them to the security bugs for universe packages; right now they're hard to filter for [02:35] keescook, good to hear :) [02:35] keescook, precisely my complaint. [02:35] keescook: hi! :-) [02:35] hi keescook btw. [02:35] ubuntu-{motu,universe}-security? [02:35] keescook: do you know if pitti has plans to integrate ubuntu-cve with malone or something? I found some textfile in his ~ :-) [02:35] any volunteers for ubuntu-swat? [02:35] Hi Nafallo sistpoty! (you guys lit up my irc hilighting with all the security chat) :) [02:35] hehe [02:36] keescook: haha [02:36] sistpoty: yes [02:36] Nafallo: yeah, ubuntu-cve will eventually merge with malone, but there are some features in malone we're waiting for still [02:36] sistpoty: I can even own it :-P [02:36] keescook: thought so. that would rock :-) [02:36] Nafallo: great, please do :) [02:36] yeah, I'll start getting some _really_ crazy karma then. LP doesn't give credit for uploads. :) === Nafallo looks for "create team" [02:37] :-P [02:37] keescook: haha [02:37] I think new motu teams probably should get discussed at the motu meetings, but as for the basic concept, I'm all for it. [02:37] keescook, it's meant to at some point in the future, AFAIK. [02:37] how can I pbuild a package which build depends on a package that isn't yet in the repo but I have on my hard disk? [02:38] should I create it now or hold off? :-) [02:38] Nafallo: go for it, I'll join in then ;) [02:38] Nafallo, go ahead. [02:38] Adri2000: I don't use pbuild (I use schroot/sbuild with lvm snapshots) but I'd guess you'd need to either make yourself a repo your pbuilder pulls from, or temporarily add it to your chroot [02:38] we should take it to the list afterward though [02:38] Adri2000, I use `pbuilder login', then copy the stuff in. [02:38] Nafallo: I'd bring it up on the motu mailing list; I'll be happy to chime in on it too. [02:38] LaserJock: yep [02:39] always those productive friday nights :) [02:39] cool, I can go through all the outstanding security bugs and subscribe the new team. :) [02:39] stuff on my personal wishlist is clamav and wordpress right now. [02:40] It would be really nice to not have flaws like #77383 sitting around for 7 months... === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] the clamav backport isn't so simple. :( dapper's fix just plain doesn't work... [02:40] Nafallo: :D [02:40] keescook: I've done wordpress before I think :-) [02:40] Fujitsu: yeah, I agree. I wish I could keep up with all of them. [02:40] Nafallo: see what discussion brings about :) [02:40] joejaxx: you realize what this means though, don't you? [02:40] Nafallo: cool; I looked at the patches for 2.0.6, they look sane and mostly small. [02:41] If MOTU can keep track of such flaws, they'll be able to be fixed much more quickly. [02:41] LaserJock: i hope something not bad lol [02:41] joejaxx: you have to help [02:41] LaserJock: oh ok that is not a problem [02:41] :) [02:41] Fujitsu: btw, I'm waiting on the edgy sparc build, and then I'll publish the vnc4 updates. Thanks again for getting that. :) [02:41] No problem! [02:42] sistpoty: gaah. we need an emblem :-P [02:42] Fujitsu: stupid question maybe, but in the pbuilder where are located the files that are outside the chroot? [02:42] Nafallo: maybe s.th. with a shield? [02:42] Adri2000, you have to copy them from the outside. [02:43] let's go find some shields :-) [02:43] Nafallo: the ubuntu-dev is the MotU shield, so use the MotU sword now. [02:43] that crazy heman sword. [02:43] keescook: hehe. nice :-) [02:43] great idea :) === Nafallo googles [02:43] Fujitsu: how? :s [02:44] Adri2000, you'll note that it gives you a path once you run pbuilder login. [02:44] Copy the .debs and the requisite sources to that path, and they'll magically appear in the chroot. [02:44] keescook, very good idea :P [02:45] lol the heman sword [02:45] heh. or maybe his axe? dunno [02:45] What's the team called, Nafallo? [02:45] Fujitsu: ah yes, magic! thanks [02:45] Ah. [02:45] motu-swat. [02:45] Fujitsu: motu-swat :-) [02:45] No problem, Adri2000. [02:46] cool, I'm a member already :) [02:46] Nafallo: nice [02:47] sistpoty: hehe ;-) [02:47] It's even got a bug subscribed now! [02:48] Nafallo: do you have to be motu to join? [02:48] boy, aren't you guys l33t ;-) [02:48] LaserJock: lol [02:48] joejaxx, not in my opinion. [02:48] Fujitsu: ok [02:48] joejaxx: not in my opinion either :-) [02:48] i just wanted to ask before i hit the join team link [02:49] joejaxx: I started MOTU Science before I was a MOTU ;-) [02:49] ;) [02:49] <_MMA_> Yet another project for joejaxx. ;) [02:50] Hrm, why is MOTU-Media's name ubuntu-motu? [02:50] _MMA_: LOL [02:50] Fujitsu: is it? :-) [02:50] (that being one of the three MOTU Media teams) === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] Ah, MOTU-Media was automagically created; who know why it has such a strange name. [02:52] our teams are kinda messy [02:52] LaserJock, yeah. === Ppjet6 [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] ubuntu-qa? :-) [02:53] We need a standard... Some things are motusomething (like motuscience), others are motu-something (ie. motu-sru), others skip the motu entirely. [02:53] what now :-P [02:53] some are ubuntu- [02:53] motu-crack [02:53] aha :-P [02:53] bddebian's on top of that one [02:53] bddebian: you have your own team now? ;-) [02:53] hehe [02:53] should motu-swat be subscribed to bug #72921? [02:53] Malone bug 72921 in php4 "Several unfixed CVEs for php4 in Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72921 [02:53] geser: yes :-) [02:53] (uncommonproglang is an example of a MOTU team with no motu) [02:53] geser, I believe so. [02:53] Nafallo: Yeah, 3 people too. Me, Myself, and I ;-P [02:54] Fujitsu: sorry [02:54] Fujitsu: my fault *g* [02:54] bddebian: *ASG* *hugs* [02:54] sistpoty, yeah, I noted it was owned by you. === Fujitsu gets out the whip. [02:54] ASG? === sistpoty hides [02:54] bddebian: swedish for ROTFL ;-) === Fujitsu calls in the Hobbsee. [02:54] Ahh :_) [02:54] Brb, lunch. [02:55] Fujitsu: bleh. vnc4 failed on sparc in edgy. *sigh* I'll take a look at it later, I gotta run. [02:56] keescook: :-) [02:57] Nafallo: I gotta finished building my bookshelves. :) cya folks [02:57] keescook: nice talking to you :-) [02:57] lol [02:57] ubuntu-dev, ubuntumembers :-) [02:58] cya keescook [02:58] things ain't consistant ;-) [02:58] hm... nethack has some nice graphics for logos :) [02:58] or rather falconseye === pirast [n=martin@p508B0A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] Bye, keescook. === Ppjet6 [n=ppjet6@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-254.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] You can rename teams, can't you? [02:59] sistpoty: nice. you fix that then :-) [03:00] Nafallo: ok, I'll try... need to rescale them first *g* [03:00] sistpoty: I suck at gfx :-) [03:00] Nafallo: unfortunately me too :/ [03:00] I'm worst ;-) [03:01] hehe [03:02] Fujitsu: yeah [03:02] Fujitsu: i think the descriptive name [03:02] Fujitsu: but not the direct name === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121m3q.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] Anybody up for revuing some Perl packages? [03:16] Having survived my first visit here last month, I'm back with more... [03:17] Perl? What the heck is that? :-) [03:17] libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3974 [03:18] I think the package name is too short [03:18] *ASG* [03:18] heh [03:18] meeh [03:18] ROTFL even [03:18] I agree, but it seems to fit the scheme for PERL packages... [03:18] heh [03:18] hi everybody :) [03:18] hi Toadstool [03:18] Hence why we reject perl ;-P [03:18] Heya Toadstool [03:18] hey bddebian & Nafallo [03:19] perl is evil! [03:19] OK. Here's another with a shorter name... [03:19] libnetaddr-ip-perl http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3975 [03:20] That one is in Debian, but VERY old. See Debian bug 329644 [03:20] Debian bug 329644 in libnetaddr-ip-perl "libnetaddr-ip-perl: New upstream release" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/329644 [03:20] Both of those are dependencies for the one I'm really after getting in... === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] No one reviewed MY package :'-( [03:21] Another nice short name (really): mail-spf-perl http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3976 [03:21] bddebian: what package? [03:21] Toadstool: pegsolitaire :-) === Toadstool needs something easy to review [03:22] it's been a long time you know :p [03:22] tonyyserver, [03:22] :/ [03:23] Has anyone had trouble when upgrading to Feisty with vim-tiny's post-install script failing with error code 2? [03:23] somerville32, it apparently works if you retry the configuration of it a few times. [03:24] i've heard of some issues related to vim lately yeah [03:24] uh [03:24] Fujitsu, for real? [03:24] somerville32, yep. [03:24] joejaxx, it appears that you can fully rename a team. [03:24] Fujitsu: really? [03:24] joejaxx, I was able to do it, so yes. [03:25] Fujitsu: hmm i did not see an option to do that when i looked before [03:25] Fujitsu: maybe they just added that? [03:25] Under `Change Team Details', top box. [03:26] Nafallo: I've got two icons now, a sword and an armor: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/icons/ [03:26] Fujitsu: interesting [03:26] Nafallo: but imo the armor looks better (I just couldn't convert the sword to a nice looking thing) [03:26] Fujitsu: i only remember being able to change the descriptive one [03:26] About vim-tiny: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/77726 [03:26] Malone bug 77726 in vim "can't upgrade vim" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [03:26] Fujitsu: I installed the deb manually and it worked [03:26] Fujitsu: thanks for telling me about that [03:26] :) [03:27] ScottK: Thanks. (I'd look but I'm in tty right now) [03:27] sistpoty, the armour is rather unrecognisable. [03:27] somerville32, LP isn't bad in elinks. [03:27] Fujitsu: the sword as well :(... I just suck at gfx [03:27]