[12:42] <HeathenDan> how come when i click on networking, i get "the configuration could not be loaded" error?
[12:48] <slow-motion> n8
[12:48] <HeathenDan> bye
[12:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> HeathenDan: Which version of Xubuntu are you on?
[12:53] <HeathenDan> edgy
[12:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Upgrade recently?
[12:53] <magic_ninja> any reccomendations for a firewall?
[12:53] <HeathenDan> no, fresh install.... i did update some files via synaptic
[12:54] <magic_ninja> ahh PuMpErNiCkLe the holy grail himself lol what up
[12:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> magic_ninja: Firestarter is a decent front-end to the built-in firewall features.
[12:54] <HeathenDan> magic_ninja, iptables is on by default. you can download firestarter to config it, but it has lots of dependencies (bloat)
[12:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ^_^
[12:55] <magic_ninja> i really don't want to use command line to configure something that complex, i'm just not that advanced, and i got plenty of space
[12:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> HeathenDan: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286260&page=2
[12:55] <HeathenDan> PuMpErNiCkLe, i was reading the bugs in launchpad, and it seems my prob is mostly for those upgrading from dapper: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/59946
[12:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Fix committed] 
[12:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It looks like either a) a problem with dbus, solved by reinstalling the dbus components or b) you're not in the admin group.
[12:56] <magic_ninja> i got one more q, when i try to use soundconverter to convert files it says that the wav gstreamer plugin isn't found but doesn't give much else, any ideas
[12:56] <HeathenDan> oh, lemme see that link
[12:56] <HeathenDan> i'm on admin group, i checked users-admin
[12:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It could be dbus, then.
[12:56] <HeathenDan> download gstreamer
[12:57] <HeathenDan> ok, time to synaptic dbus
[12:58] <magic_ninja> !dbus
[12:58] <ubotu> dbus: simple interprocess messaging system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.93-0ubuntu3.1 (edgy), package size 312 kB, installed size 660 kB
[12:58] <magic_ninja> that have anything to do with the latest dbus updates?
[12:58] <HeathenDan> just the dbus package?
[01:00] <HeathenDan> argh, now i have to reinstall it in my laptop too :(
[01:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> dbus and libdbus-1-3
[01:03] <HeathenDan> alrighty
[01:04] <HeathenDan> i assume i have to reboot to fix this, or will this work immediately?
[01:04] <HeathenDan> hmm, doesn't work... i guess a reboot is needed after all
[01:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Looks like it.
[01:06] <HeathenDan> bbiab
[01:10] <curiogeo> newbie question - I have added a network card to my server and it did nt recognize and mount it upon rebooting.  How do i get the OS to recognize and initialize it?
[01:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What kind of network card is it?
[01:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Make/model.
[01:12] <curiogeo> D-link DFE-530tx
[01:14] <curiogeo> I am guessing i should be checking a hardware matrix somewhere?
[01:16] <curiogeo> (PuMp) any help for me here?
[01:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hang on a sec.
[01:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Okay, it uses the via-rhine module.
[01:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> This should be included by default.
[01:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does it show up in 'lsmod'?
[01:19] <curiogeo> I will have to check
[01:19] <curiogeo> I lost the first network card when I added it so i have to walk over to the box
[01:20] <curiogeo> lsmod should list the device I guess?
[01:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> lsmod lists all loaded kernel modules.  One of them should be via-rhine.
[01:21] <curiogeo> yes i see one named mii and it says via rhine after the process id
[01:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Okay, that shows that 'mii' is used by via-rhine... via-rhine will be listed seprately, as well.
[01:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You have two network adapters in the box now?
[01:23] <curiogeo> yes
[01:24] <curiogeo> the first one was working by defaultand I did nothing to init it
[01:24] <curiogeo> now it is not working either
[01:24] <curiogeo> that is to say i cannot ping out through it but I can ping it locally
[01:25] <curiogeo> no access to the gateway
[01:25] <curiogeo> local loop works
[01:25] <curiogeo> local I{ works
[01:25] <curiogeo> ip
[01:26] <curiogeo> I was messing around with the interfaces file and erased all of the other interfaces
[01:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Okay, in administration -> networking, which interfaces does it show?
[01:26] <curiogeo> I am working from the command line
[01:27] <curiogeo> so I am editng the /etc/network/interfaces file
[01:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does it have a line saying 'auto eth0' or 'auto eth1' or something similar?
[01:29] <curiogeo> in that file I have three interfaces
[01:29] <curiogeo> lo
[01:29] <curiogeo> auto eth1
[01:29] <curiogeo> and auto eth2
[01:29] <curiogeo> both have staic address
[01:30] <curiogeo> static
[01:30] <HeathenDan> success!
[01:30] <curiogeo> should I add eth0
[01:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> HeathenDan: props
[01:30] <HeathenDan> dbus reinstall didn't do it though
[01:31] <HeathenDan> i had to.... add myself to the "root" group >.>
[01:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's unusual...
[01:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> curiogeo: One of them should probably be eth0, the other eth1.
[01:32] <curiogeo> so the fact that I erased eth0 is probably the issue
[01:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Could be.
[01:33] <curiogeo> what is the correct syntax for a auto eth0
[01:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'auto eth0'
[01:33] <curiogeo> to have a dynamic IP
[01:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's it.
[01:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you want, I can pastebin mine as a reference.
[01:33] <curiogeo> auto eth0
[01:34] <curiogeo> no need to specify static or dhcp
[01:34] <curiogeo> I will try adding auto eth0 right now and let you know
[01:34] <curiogeo> BRB
[01:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/594/
[01:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I have to go, but if you get the file set up properly, you should be able to bring up an interface with 'ifup'.
[01:46] <HeathenDan> can someone pastebin me a good sources.list? =\
[01:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !easysource
[01:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:47] <curiogeo> one more question if you have time
[01:47] <curiogeo> the new interface works but the old one is not able to ping the gateway
[01:47] <curiogeo> what should I check?
[01:48] <curiogeo> if not thanks for your help my new interface is up and working after ifup
[01:49] <curiogeo> Anyone who can tell me how to debug an existing network card
[01:51] <HeathenDan> thanks PuMpErNiCkLe
[01:52] <curiogeo> yes thank you very much PuMpErNiCkLe
[01:52] <curiogeo> my second interface just mysteriously came back up
[02:24] <Chris1978> ok I'm about ready to give up on trying to install Xubuntu
[02:24] <Chris1978> I've been at this for way too many hours without much progress
[02:25] <Chris1978> Is 32 bit a lot easier to install than 64 bit? or is Ubuntu easier than Xubuntu?
[02:26] <Chris1978> I was able to get it to boot to the desktop but I get no icons and keyboard shortcuts don't work at all
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> you should not see any difference between ubuntu and xubuntu installs
[02:27] <Chris1978> Well my system is somewhat new
[02:27] <Chris1978> Is there a specific piece of hardware that could be causing my problems
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> there are no desktop icons on a fresh xubuntu install
[02:27] <Chris1978> Maybe if I can figure out what is wrong I can fix it
[02:28] <Chris1978> ok fine there aren't supposed to be icons
[02:28] <Chris1978> but I should be able to bring up a terminal right?
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[02:28] <Chris1978> all I get is a mouse cursor and a background
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> not panels?
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> like task bars
[02:29] <Chris1978> nope
[02:29] <Chris1978> just a wallpaper
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> ....
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> that does not sound right....
[02:30] <Chris1978> do you think mentioning my system specs would help?
[02:31] <vidd_laptop> can you get a terminal when you hit <cntr><alt><F1>
[02:31] <Chris1978> nope
[02:31] <Chris1978> I tried that
[02:31] <Chris1978> can't seem to do anything
[02:31] <vidd_laptop> 32 bit or 64 bit?
[02:32] <Chris1978> 64 bit
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> i never did an install on 64 bit
[02:32] <Chris1978> is 6.06 worth trying and then upgrading?
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> there are issues with upgrading
[02:33] <Chris1978> also when I rebooted after the time I got nothing but a background it had corrupted my GRUB so I had to reinstall Windows too
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> are you using a 64 bit install disk?
[02:34] <Chris1978> yes
[02:34] <Chris1978> 64 bit proc and disk
[02:34] <Chris1978> tried the regular disk and the alternate
[02:35] <Chris1978> tried safe graphics mode or whatever it is as well as regular and text mode and even oem mode
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> try using the alt cd and making a terminal system...
[02:35] <Chris1978> without noapic nolapic vga=ask I can't even get to where I got
[02:35] <Chris1978> ok I can try that
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <Chris1978> but after I get the terminal system if I do what do I do next?
[02:36] <Chris1978> oh ok
[02:36] <Chris1978> thanks
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> i type slow
[02:36] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[02:36] <Chris1978> me too
[02:37] <Chris1978> so that full command would be sudo apt-get install xubuntu desktop ?
[02:38] <Chris1978> I'm new to Linux
[02:38] <Chris1978> so far complete failure
[02:38] <maxamillion> Chris1978: "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop" (without the quotes)
[02:38] <Chris1978> once I get it up and running though I expect it won't be so hard
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <maxamillion> !why aptitude
[02:38] <HeathenDan> xubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about why aptitude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <maxamillion> ermmm... #debian bot knows what's up :)
[02:40] <Chris1978> wait so which one is the correct one?
[02:40] <Chris1978> apt-get or aptitude?
[02:41] <maxamillion> Chris1978: both
[02:41] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: why?
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> he is new
[02:41] <Chris1978> yup brand new
[02:41] <maxamillion> why not start with good habits? :)
[02:41] <vidd_laptop> he already knows apt-get
[02:41] <maxamillion> oh ... ok
[02:42] <Chris1978> are they equivalent?
[02:42] <maxamillion> yeah, everyone starts on apt-get because it has been around longer
[02:42] <Chris1978> I'm willing to learn
[02:42] <Chris1978> that is partly the point
[02:42] <maxamillion> Chris1978: to you, as a new user ... they are equivalent, aptitude does a little more in the back ground ...
[02:43] <Chris1978> alright
[02:43] <Chris1978> so I'm going to use the alternate Live CD to install a terminal environment?
[02:44] <Chris1978> and then use that command?
[02:44] <maxamillion> Chris1978: correct
[02:44] <Chris1978> ok
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> command line system
[02:44] <Chris1978> I'm going to attempt to do so and then report back here when I can
[02:44] <vidd_laptop> ok
[02:44] <Chris1978> right command line system
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> we shall be here
[02:45] <Chris1978> ok great
[02:45] <Chris1978> ttyl
[02:45] <maxamillion> yeah... we will, have nothing better to do
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> does your mother board have the ability to boot from usb?
[02:49] <maxamillion> i dunno ... its an older laptop i found ... lemme get you a link to it
[02:53] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: http://news.com.com/Sony+chooses+Transmeta+again/2100-1040_3-257718.html
[02:54] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i was given this for free and i want linux on it.. but knoppix won't even get past the initial kernel load, for some reason it can't find its external hard drive
[02:54] <vidd_laptop> im looking
[02:55] <maxamillion> i can't seem to think of anything ... i even tried booting a live cd based on the gnu/freebsd-kernel debian project ... no luck there either
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> how you get one of these free????
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> ...
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> anyway
[02:57] <maxamillion> friend's dad bought it brand new 4 years ago ... didn't like it, gave it to me
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> did you check the way the system boots?
[02:57] <maxamillion> he was like "you're the computer guy" ... here
[02:58] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: "the way"? ... as in the bios? ... it doesn't explicitly claim to boot usb, but it does say it will boot from removable devices (the floppy drive is usb and it will boot from that, so i assume)
[02:58] <maxamillion> all the components on this thing are external ...
[02:58] <HeathenDan> where can i download w32codecs for edgy?
[02:58] <maxamillion> !w32codecs
[02:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> you have an internal hard drive?
[03:01] <maxamillion> yeah ... the hdd is internal and i can't get to it ... thought about removing the hdd and putting it into a case with a converter to install, but there are atleast 2 screws i can't find and if i did ... i'm sure i don't have a small enough screw driver
[03:02] <maxamillion> i have installed ubuntu on it before ... i think 5.04 worked
[03:03] <maxamillion> (i obtained an old copy from a friend while he was trying to "show me the light" from my debian desktop days .... took a year for me to "get it" :P
[03:03] <maxamillion> )
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> you try putting 5.04 back on it and run trough the upgrades?
[03:06] <Chris1978> well it told me package xubuntu not found
[03:06] <Stonekeeper> hi. I'm trying to install xubuntu on an old laptop that is having major issues with it's CDROM drive. I can however connect through wireless to my router. Is there a way to install over the internet? Thanks! :)
[03:06] <Chris1978> is xubuntu desktop linked with a - or _
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> with a -
[03:07] <Chris1978> ok
[03:07] <Chris1978> but other than that everything seemed to go well
[03:07] <Chris1978> now is where it would mess up though if it is going to conflict with my monitor
[03:08] <Chris1978> ok I'm going to try again
[03:08] <maxamillion> Chris1978: no, conflict with your monitor would happen after xubuntu-desktop is installed ... and most of those conflicts can be fixed with ease
[03:47] <Chris1978> ok I tried apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:47] <Chris1978> it was working and doing a lot of stuff
[03:47] <Chris1978> however then I lost my monitor
[03:47] <maxamillion> completely?
[03:48] <Chris1978> after a while I rebooted and now if I try apt-get install xubuntu-desktop I get a message
[03:48] <Chris1978> yeah my monitor said out of scan range
[03:48] <Chris1978> HF 26.1 kHz
[03:49] <Chris1978> VF 40.2 Hz
[03:49] <Jester45> to high of a resolution ? or vsnyc
[03:49] <maxamillion> you might have to redo it and if it says out of scan range do ctrl+alt+f1 ... should give you a command line and we can fix it from there
[03:49] <Chris1978> Range: HF 30-69kHz
[03:49] <maxamillion> Jester45: i assume too high of resolution
[03:49] <Chris1978> VF 50-120Hz
[03:50] <Jester45> Chris1978: would you happen to know moniter max res?
[03:50] <Stonekeeper> guys, i just tried DSL on same laptop and it's working fine. You think the 6.10 kernel is not happy with the CDROM hardware (DSL uses 2.4.26 kernel)? You reckon going to 6.06 might solve it?
[03:50] <Jester45> might
[03:50] <Jester45> ima brb gota update
[03:50] <maxamillion> ZOMG
[03:50] <Chris1978> well anyways the message it gives me now is E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[03:51] <maxamillion> i just realized dapper still has 2.4
[03:51] <Chris1978> at least 1280x1024
[03:51] <maxamillion> Chris1978: ok, run the command "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:51] <Chris1978> yeah I figured that much
[03:51] <Chris1978> I will run that
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, wow...hat should save you some time
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:52] <Chris1978> so if my monitor displays the error message again then pres ctrl-alt-f1
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> Chris1978, yes
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> that should give you a terminal
[03:53] <Chris1978> alright
[03:53] <Chris1978> and then what?
[03:53] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: i have a dapper cd ... i will just re-do the core install with the new cd instead of downloading all the new updates one release at a time :)
[03:55] <Chris1978> can I manually specify my resolution somehow?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> Chris1978, yes
[03:55] <Chris1978> or the frequencies
[03:55] <Chris1978> if I can specify the frequency ranges then it should be ok right?
[03:56] <Chris1978> I have no idea what the commands would be for that sort of thing
[03:56] <Chris1978> I'm assuming there is a monitor file somewhere
[03:57] <Chris1978> but the plug and play doesn't seem to be working so well for it
[03:58] <Chris1978> and I don't know how much I'd need to know about my monitor to manually edit the file
[03:58] <Chris1978> anyone got any ideas?
[03:59] <Chris1978> it is hard to do things when you can't see
[03:59] <maxamillion> Chris1978: well ... did you do ctrl+alt+f1?
[04:00] <Chris1978> not yet
[04:00] <Chris1978> I need to know what I'm going to do after that
[04:01] <maxamillion> Chris1978: that _should_ give you a command line ... you log in, and then you will type "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" that will open the file in a text editor ... we can go from there
[04:02] <Chris1978> ok is there a text based irc I can use?
[04:03] <Chris1978> otherwise I have to reboot everytime into windows
[04:03] <maxamillion> Chris1978: you using edgy (6.10)?
[04:03] <Chris1978> yes
[04:03] <Jester45> i have a apt upgrade problem...when i try to use apt-get upgrade a few packages are held back i removed a few that i could then i reinstall for the new version then i tried upgrade again but the same packages are held back i cant remove them
[04:03] <Jester45> irssi -n nickname
[04:03] <maxamillion> Chris1978: "sudo aptitude install irssi" (thats the one i use)
[04:03] <Jester45> maxamillion: is it default?
[04:04] <somervil1e32> Hello boys and girls. I'm in irssi
[04:04] <Jester45> good for you
[04:04] <maxamillion> Jester45: irssi was default in dapper ... but it was taken out in edgy
[04:04] <Chris1978> ok that installs it maxamillion
[04:04] <Jester45> o
[04:04] <maxamillion> somervil1e32: welcome back to the dark side
[04:04] <Chris1978> then to actually use it to get on this channel what do I have to do?
[04:04] <somervil1e32> OH lookie
[04:04] <somervil1e32> A netsplit command
[04:04] <Jester45> Chris1978: run irssi -n nicknamehere
[04:05] <maxamillion> Chris1978: now type "irssi" in the command line ... then "/server irc.freenode.net" ..... etc.
[04:05] <maxamillion> somervil1e32: lol
[04:05] <Jester45> then type /connect irc.freenode.net
[04:05] <maxamillion> yeah ... /connect works too
[04:06] <Jester45> would anyone like to help me with my package problem
[04:06] <Chris1978> and then the command to join this channel?
[04:06] <Chris1978> is it just /join #xubuntu?
[04:06] <Jester45> yes
[04:07] <Chris1978> ok
[04:07] <Chris1978> I'll try it
[04:07] <Chris1978> hopefully my internet is working in xubuntu
[04:16] <chris___1> hello?
[04:16] <maxamillion> hello
[04:17] <chris___1> nice
[04:17] <maxamillion> welcome to the real world of irc
[04:17] <chris___1> I'm not in Windows
[04:17] <chris___1> yup
[04:17] <maxamillion> awesome!
[04:17] <chris___1> so it seems like xubuntu-desktop is completely installed
[04:18] <chris___1> how do I get a GUI?
[04:18] <chris___1> well first how do I exit this program when I need to eventually so I can type in more commands?
[04:19] <maxamillion> no ... do ctrl+alt+f7 and then do ctrl+alt+backspace .... and if that doesn't work ... ctrl+alt+f1 to get back here :)
[04:20] <chris___1> not of those keyboard combinations did anything
[04:20] <chris___1> *none
[04:22] <chris___1> help
[04:23] <chris___1> don't I have to leave the program first?
[04:24] <chris___1> anyone still around?
[04:26] <chris___1> Rebooting might just make it start up in GUI mode
[04:26] <chris___1> not sure though
[04:26] <chris___1> suppose I could try it
[04:30] <chris___1> hey maxamillion
[04:31] <maxamillion> hey ... sorry, my bcm43xx wifi driver just fragged my iBook ... had to move into my computer rooms
[04:31] <maxamillion> room*
[04:31] <maxamillion> chris___1: things working?
[04:31] <chris___1> nope
[04:31] <maxamillion> ouch
[04:31] <chris___1> keyboard shortcuts did nothing
[04:31] <chris___1> I'm microwaving dinner now
[04:31] <superkirbyartist> I would appreciate any help with my wireless laptop card from D-Link.  I don't see a "Wireless" option in Networking.
[04:32] <maxamillion> chris___1: ok ... do ctrl+alt+f2 ... that will bring you to a new cli login, login there so that you don't have to disconnect from irc ... use ctrl+alt+f1 to view the irc and ctrl+alt+f2 to use for configuring thigns
[04:32] <maxamillion> !wifi | superkirbyartist
[04:32] <ubotu> superkirbyartist: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:33] <superkirbyartist> Will it tell me "The card will not work"?
[04:33] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[04:34] <superkirbyartist> Firefox is slow on Pentium MMX Laptop!
[04:34] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: math computations are slow on a pentium mmx anything
[04:35] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i wouldn't assume rendering a gui to be extremely speedy
[04:35] <chris___1> maxamillion> ctrl+f2 gave me the out of range error
[04:35] <chris___1> with alt
[04:35] <superkirbyartist> So pentium mmx is bad for xubuntu?
[04:35] <maxamillion> chris___1: strange ... you are in ctrl+alt+f1 right?
[04:36] <chris___1> yup
[04:36] <chris___1> ctrl+alt+f1 brought me back here
[04:38] <chris___1> I'm having really weird problems I guess
[04:38] <chris___1> at least I can chat online
[04:38] <maxamillion> thats a little strange that one tty will work but others will not...
[04:39] <superkirbyartist> Doesn't talk about WNA-1330
[04:39] <chris___1> what is tty just so I know?
[04:39] <maxamillion> !tty
[04:39] <ubotu> To get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).
[04:40] <maxamillion> !info tty
[04:40] <ubotu> Package tty does not exist in any distro I know
[04:40] <maxamillion> erm ...
[04:40] <chris___1> like what does tty stand for?
[04:41] <maxamillion> basically just means terminal ... tty is short for "teletypewriter"
[04:42] <superkirbyartist> maxamillion?
[04:42] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yes?
[04:42] <chris___1> ok well I tried f2-f7 and none work
[04:42] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oh .. sorry ...
[04:43] <maxamillion> chris___1: well .. f7 is the one used for X ... the graphical desktop ... but f1-f6 should work
[04:43] <superkirbyartist> And some people claimed it worked but it's not working.
[04:43] <chris___1> can I set my monitor settings from tty f1?
[04:43] <chris___1> yeah I'm just saying the graphics one doesn't work either
[04:44] <maxamillion> chris___1: yeah ... write this command down .... "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ... use that, it should atleast get you a working desktop ... don't worry if some of the video performance is slow... that is just a matter of installing some drivers
[04:45] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: when they claimed it was working did they mention anything about needing to install a module?
[04:45] <superkirbyartist> Not sure.
[04:45] <superkirbyartist> What modules are there?
[04:45] <maxamillion> a few hundred thousand i would assume
[04:46] <superkirbyartist> Okay, I heard of madwifi...
[04:46] <maxamillion> modules are to linux as drivers are to windows .... (well ... kinda, but that's good enough a definition for now)
[04:46] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yeah .. madwifi is a good program, but its just a program .... can't promise much, i use it ... install it and try it out
[04:46] <superkirbyartist> apt-get?
[04:47] <maxamillion> preferably aptitude ... but apt-get will suffice
[04:47] <chris___1> so maxamillion how do I exit this program so I can put in that command you gave me?
[04:47] <maxamillion> i actually really need to go .... i should be back later though
[04:47] <chris___1> I know how to start it again if I need to
[04:48] <superkirbyartist> Okay goodbye.
[04:48] <maxamillion> chris___1: /exit .... or /quit ... don't remember
[04:48] <superkirbyartist> but it doesn't install madwifi
[04:48] <maxamillion> !info mad-wifi
[04:48] <ubotu> Package mad-wifi does not exist in any distro I know
[04:48] <maxamillion> !info madwifi
[04:48] <ubotu> Package madwifi does not exist in any distro I know
[04:48] <maxamillion> !mad-wifi
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mad-wifi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <maxamillion> !madwifi
[04:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:49] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oooh, no no ... not mad wifi ... wifi-radar :P
[04:49] <maxamillion> !info wifi-radar
[04:49] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[04:49] <maxamillion> :)
[04:50] <maxamillion> "sudo aptitude install wifi-radar"
[04:50] <maxamillion> and i must go ....
[04:50] <maxamillion> bye bye
[04:50] <superkirbyartist> Did anyone hear about a stupid guy named Bruenig who killed my drive?
[04:51] <MagicFab> Does anyone know about software similar / comaptible with autocad under Ubuntu ?
[05:02] <Jester45> well i fixed my problem via synaptic
[05:05] <chris_> so I ran that command
[05:05] <chris_> and went through all the menus
[05:06] <chris_> still can't seem to get graphics
[05:07] <magic_ninja> whats the big deal about beryl, its just pretty?
[05:07] <chris_> mostly
[05:07] <chris_> but some things might be helpful
[05:07] <magic_ninja> !cad
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <magic_ninja> MagicFab: give me a moment please
[05:09] <chris_> I want a GUI
[05:09] <chris_> it shouldn't take more than a full day to get one
[05:09] <magic_ninja> MagicFab: http://www.roseindia.net/linux/linux-cad-software.shtml
[05:09] <magic_ninja> MagicFab: hope you find some useful software there
[05:09] <MagicFab> magic_ninja, tx
[05:10] <magic_ninja> i've looked around but i can't really find anything other then a nice technical description of beryl
[05:10] <kalikiana> chris_: Beryl has GUI??
[05:10] <kalikiana> chris_: it has the config manager
[05:10] <chris_> I have a different problem that has nothing to do with beryl
[05:10] <kalikiana> oh, then I missunderstood, sry
[05:10] <magic_ninja> whats your problem
[05:11] <magic_ninja> i'm just trying to ask what is all this beryl fuss, just pretty eye candy or is there some really useful functionality
[05:11] <chris_> I can't seem to get the basic Xubuntu desktop
[05:11] <chris_> well beryl gives you multiple desktops
[05:11] <magic_ninja> i don't use xubuntu, i just like this channel
[05:11] <magic_ninja> you can get multiple desktops w/out beryl
[05:11] <chris_> other than that it is mostly graphical stuff
[05:12] <chris_> yeah I know you can
[05:12] <chris_> you do not need beryl
[05:12] <chris_> but some people like it
[05:12] <magic_ninja> ok, so its just pretty
[05:12] <chris_> yeah basically
[05:12] <magic_ninja> i got an older system (like 5 yrs old)
[05:12] <MagicFab> magic_ninja, also check http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html
[05:12] <magic_ninja> i don't care that much about pretty
[05:12] <magic_ninja> MagicFab: I have no need for cad software, I was just trying to help you out
[05:12] <chris_> I guess it competes with Vista
[05:13] <chris_> you can switch around which window you are using pretty easily
[05:13] <magic_ninja> somerville32: whats up weenie head
[05:13] <magic_ninja> ahh, just take up system reasources (i'm all about preformance)
[05:13] <somerville32> weenie head? :S
[05:13] <magic_ninja> lol
[05:14] <kalikiana> magic_ninja: Beryl has some really nice usability plugins
[05:14] <kalikiana> magic_ninja: especially the keyboard shortcuts
[05:14] <magic_ninja> just watched little miss sunshine, if your into movies with a deeper meaning then check it out, its def one of the best movies i've seen for a while
[05:14] <kalikiana> but I quit using it because it didn't work well with xfce's pager
[05:14] <chris_> well it takes up GPU performance mostly
[05:15] <magic_ninja> ehhh, it really doesn't appeal to me but thank you for the info...at least now i know its not worth installing
[05:15] <magic_ninja> i launch most of my progs from a terminal anyway
[05:15] <chris_> yeah it isn't for everyone
[05:15] <boris55> would be nice if apps started to integrate better with beryl
[05:15] <chris_> you tube has some videos of it in action
[05:15] <magic_ninja> for some reason i'm just really really comfortable in terminal
[05:16] <kalikiana> for transparency only xfwm's compositing might be enough
[05:16] <kalikiana> and that's all i'd use of the fancy things
[05:16] <magic_ninja> prob kuz the first comp i had access to was a comradore 64 and like 300 6 inch floppies with games, the OLD kind
[05:16] <somerville32> Wow
[05:16] <somerville32> Xubuntu Feisty is pretty :] 
[05:17] <kalikiana> i use a term for quick queries, package search and such, but i wouldn't open firefox from a terminal :P
[05:17] <magic_ninja> it wasn't all that long ago though we got it at an auction for like 15 bucks but now i can't find a comradore 64 to save my life....nemore they only good for hacking and the oregon trail
[05:17] <magic_ninja> kalikiana: i use it on a regular basis so there is always one open
[05:17] <chris_> so anyone know how to get a desktop up and running?
[05:18] <kalikiana> chris_: what is exactly missing/ not working?
[05:18] <magic_ninja> i tried xfce, i just prefer gnome, i don't have an alternate or mini iso to do a command line install but when i get the money for a hub and stuff i might just do a netinstall
[05:18] <chris_> I already did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:18] <magic_ninja> chris_: do you have gdm?
[05:18] <chris_> gdm?
[05:18] <chris_> I'm new to linux
[05:18] <magic_ninja> if i'm not mistaken xubuntu uses gdm (please correct me if i'm wrong)
[05:19] <kalikiana> magic_ninja: strange that you use gnome although you're a cli lover :P
[05:19] <chris_> something desktop manager?
[05:19] <chris_> maybe GNU
[05:19] <magic_ninja> gnome display manager
[05:19] <chris_> ok
[05:19] <magic_ninja> gnu - software license
[05:19] <kalikiana> yes, gdm is installed with xubuntu-desktop
[05:20] <chris_> yeah but if it was a GNU licensed desktop manager
[05:20] <magic_ninja> chris_: are you on a diff comp or a live cd?
[05:20] <chris_> I tried to guess it
[05:20] <chris_> I got the live CD
[05:20] <chris_> I installed a command interface since it was all I could get to install
[05:20] <kalikiana> after installing and rebooting you should be in the GUI automatically
[05:21] <chris_> ok I'm gonig to try rebooting
[05:21] <kalikiana> :)
[05:21] <magic_ninja> i just know enough about linux to get me around but man mdk 5.1 was what i started with so i do remember all those little things that baffle newbs, its all good (kalikiana: thats prob why i still use terminal so much)
[05:21] <chris_> because I just did all the installing
[05:21] <magic_ninja> chris_: wait
[05:21] <magic_ninja> LOL if it doesn't start its prob because he doesn't have gdm...he just didn't want to give out any info lol
[05:22] <magic_ninja> isn't it nice when you try to help someone and they don't give the info ya need...keeps me goin
[05:22] <kalikiana> magic_ninja: gdm should be installed automatically
[05:23] <kalikiana> but noobs weren't noobs if they made it easy to you :P
[05:23] <magic_ninja> kalikiana: right...but he said he did "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" which leads me to believe he isnt using a standard install
[05:23] <magic_ninja> kalikiana: not sure what you mean
[05:24] <kalikiana> xubuntu-desktop depends on gdm
[05:25] <kalikiana> my second comment was an answer to 'they don't give ya enough information'
[05:25] <magic_ninja> kalikiana: right...but what i'm saying is if he did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop because he didn't have a gui mabye he doesn't have gdm or such
[05:25] <kalikiana> so he has gdm now
[05:25] <magic_ninja> man...i spent many hours with mdk 5.1
[05:25] <magic_ninja> the first dist i tried was actually corel linux
[05:26] <magic_ninja> ohh i got ya, apt-get will install gdm as a dep
[05:26] <kalikiana> yes :)
[05:27] <magic_ninja> man google was my friend back then
[05:27] <magic_ninja> its hard when you don't have a working keyboard
[05:27] <magic_ninja> lots of reboots
[05:27] <kalikiana> how would you code w/o a keyboard?
[05:28] <magic_ninja> reboot into windows...get the info you need then reboot into linux, use a boot floppy that works for some reason to install a driver
[05:29] <magic_ninja> back when you had to compile the kernel for the keyboard and alot of apps don't come in urpmi because mandrake wanted to make mo money so you gotta compile or try to find an rpm package and hope it isn't laced
[05:30] <chris_> ok guys I rebooted and the situation is pretty strange
[05:30] <chris_> I loads the kernel and shows monitor out of range for a while and then it comes back
[05:30] <chris_> and it makes it to the login screen
[05:31] <magic_ninja> chris_: if you just did an install try a reinstall
[05:31] <chris_> and I can do ctrl+alt+f1 to get to text mode
[05:31] <chris_> if I log in in graphics mode though there is nothing there when I log in
[05:31] <chris_> I have already tried reinstalling
[05:32] <chris_> you mean instal over what is already installed?
[05:32] <chris_> if I log in in graphics mode I get no panels or icons
[05:32] <magic_ninja> sounds like your having graphics card problems or your missing some packages
[05:32] <chris_> just the wallpaper and a mouse cursor and a few graphical artifacts
[05:33] <chris_> I have a evga nVidia 7800GT
[05:34] <chris_> I installed the command interface first then did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <chris_> I wonder if the download got corrupted
[05:34] <chris_> I should check
[05:34] <chris_> but it is the same problem on both disks actually
[05:35] <magic_ninja> ok so you did a base install right?
[05:36] <chris_> define base install?
[05:36] <somerville32> chris_: Try installing the NVidia drivers.
[05:36] <magic_ninja> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:36] <somerville32> !nvidia | chris_
[05:36] <ubotu> chris_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:36] <chris_> I started with freshly formatted partitions
[05:37] <magic_ninja> did you install via the system installer or a command line
[05:37] <chris_> well I suppose I need to boot windows to see that url
[05:37] <magic_ninja> for instance apt-get install x-system-core gdm xubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <somerville32> ...
[05:37] <magic_ninja> chris_: just type what i told ya it should work
[05:37] <somerville32> You just need to install xubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <magic_ninja> somerville32: he said he already installed xubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <somerville32> Right.
[05:38] <chris_> yes I already installed xubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <magic_ninja> unless he installed it to the live cd...
[05:38] <magic_ninja> chris_: you installed from a xubuntu  cd right?
[05:39] <somerville32> chris_: Could you please recap the issue?
[05:39] <chris_> no I did not boot from the cd
[05:39] <magic_ninja> somerville32: he is getting various graphic bugs, and the monitor even goes into "give me some input" mode
[05:39] <chris_> basically if I want to use the GUI...
[05:39] <magic_ninja> once he logs out he looses display
[05:39] <chris_> it makes it to the log in screen
[05:39] <magic_ninja> chris_: text login or graphical
[05:40] <chris_> if I log in it shows the background and the mouse cursor and absolutely nothing else
[05:40] <chris_> the text log in works as it should
[05:40] <chris_> the graphics one is giving me problems
[05:40] <magic_ninja> chris_: just try this man, type "init 2" from a terminal to get it to runlevel 2 and then xinit, see if you can get basic x with xterm
[05:41] <somerville32> chris_: How are you chatting with us?
[05:41] <chris_> irssi
[05:41] <magic_ninja> chris_: this will be easier if you get into the text mode, change runlevel to 2 and then sudo apt-get install bitchx and talk to us (you can do your other commands on virtual terminals)
[05:41] <chris_> I'm in text mode
[05:41] <magic_ninja> somerville32: i believe he is on a live cd
[05:41] <chris_> I can't do anything in graphics mode
[05:41] <magic_ninja> chris_: ohh so your not on a livecd
[05:42] <magic_ninja> chris_: apt-get install gdm
[05:42] <chris_> no not on live cd
[05:42] <chris_> I did not boot from the cd
[05:42] <magic_ninja> try installing the nvidia drivers
[05:42] <somerville32> chris_: Stop listening to magic_ninja :P
[05:42] <magic_ninja> lol
[05:42] <chris_> ok I need to go to windows to look at the website
[05:42] <magic_ninja> chris_: no you don't
[05:42] <somerville32> chris_: How did you install Xubuntu?
[05:42] <somerville32> Alternative Cd, Live Cd, or Server Cd?
[05:43] <chris_> realize I was getting monitor out of range errors while trying to instal with all sorts of modes
[05:43] <bigredradio> Anyone know of a way to boot from a floppy? Then install from cdrom. Can't boot from cdrom.
[05:43] <chris_> the way I got to this point was to install the command interface first
[05:43] <chris_> and then I installed xubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <chris_> that is basically all I did so far
[05:44] <magic_ninja> chris_: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:44] <magic_ninja> try that then type startx and see if it gets you anywhere
[05:44] <chris_> ok
[05:44] <chris_> also crtl+alt+f2 isn't working
[05:44] <chris_> so I will have to exit irssi
[05:45] <magic_ninja> aight i'll wait here
[05:45] <magic_ninja> what ya think somerville32
[05:45] <somerville32> magic_ninja: When helping people, try proceeding through things in a logical and sane method instead of jumping around like that
[05:45] <magic_ninja> there is about 213847912874912374987129384 things it could be but it sounds like he is missing a key piece of gui
[05:45] <magic_ninja> somerville32: i know this i'm sober man
[05:46] <somerville32> Thats why it is important for you to "debug" - not just throw out ideas or possible solutions.
[05:46] <magic_ninja> yea, ya got a point
[05:47] <magic_ninja> lol, just typing out the things that pop into mind...i'm such a nerd i think aloud on irc
[05:47] <magic_ninja> you get a laugh, i get a pepsi, brb
[05:49] <magic_ninja> that monitor out of range though...it throws me
[05:49] <magic_ninja> that means its getting down to the hardware level...which really complicates matters
[05:50] <chris_> ok so not so good
[05:50] <chris_> I was able to install the drivers just fine
[05:50] <chris_> but startx didn't work
[05:51] <somerville32> Errors?
[05:51] <chris_> it said there was already graphics using display 0
[05:51] <somerville32> Ah
[05:51] <chris_> or something to that effect
[05:51] <somerville32> Press crtl+alt+F7
[05:51] <somerville32> or better yet
[05:51] <somerville32> do this
[05:51] <somerville32> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:51] <chris_> ctrl+alt+f7 brings me to the login screen
[05:52] <chris_> ok I'll try that
[05:52] <magic_ninja> chris_: thats why you can't startx which means you DO have virtual terminals, so thats a plus
[05:52] <magic_ninja> i'm just wondering how this guy pulled that off
[05:53] <chris_> ok I put in that command
[05:54] <chris_> I'm going to try to log in at the graphical log in
[05:54] <somerville32> Awesome :] 
[05:54] <noqqah> hi
[05:54] <somerville32> Hey
[05:54] <chris_> sometimes after I do it doesn't let me come back here so we will see what happens
[05:54] <noqqah> is there a program to copy onto two devices simultaneously?
[05:55] <somerville32> noqqah: Copy what to what kind of devices?
[05:56] <noqqah> DVD burners. So i have three devices, two of them burners. K3B only show one OR the other. No choice to burn simultaneously into two.
[05:57] <chris_> ok so I still get the same problem
[05:57] <somerville32> And what is the problem?
[05:57] <chris_> when I log in on the graphics screen the mouse cursor moves but I can't do anything and need to reboot
[05:58] <somerville32> Ok
[05:58] <somerville32> One second please
[05:58] <chris_> I tried ctrl+alt+f1 to get back here and it won't let me
[05:58] <magic_ninja> what did you install from
[05:58] <chris_> so I rebooted
[05:58] <chris_> I installed from the cd
[05:58] <magic_ninja> alternate cd, live cd, mini iso?
[05:58] <chris_> alternate cd I think
[05:58] <magic_ninja> there are several different types of installation cds
[05:59] <chris_> I'm working with 64 bit xubuntu
[05:59] <chris_> just so everyone knows
[05:59] <magic_ninja> and you did your install from the livecd, as opposed to the command line
[05:59] <chris_> and yes I have a 64 bit proc
[05:59] <chris_> no I did my install from the command line
[05:59] <chris_> but it asked for the cd
[05:59] <somerville32> chris_: Would it be alright if I logged into your machine and fixed the problem for you?
[06:00] <magic_ninja> you got a dell dude
[06:00] <chris_> tell me how to make that happen
[06:00] <noqqah> nobody knows?
[06:00] <somerville32> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[06:00] <chris_> and let me change the password temporarily
[06:00] <noqqah> great
[06:00] <somerville32> chris_: No
[06:00] <somerville32> chris_: Create me a new account
[06:00] <chris_> create you an account
[06:00] <magic_ninja> noqqah: i don't there there is, try asking in #ubuntu there are a ton more people in there
[06:00] <somerville32> noqqah: lol, that isn't for you. I don't know of any programs.
[06:00] <chris_> ok I'm going to write down a list of commands you give me
[06:01] <somerville32> chris_: ok
[06:01] <somerville32> chris_: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[06:01] <somerville32> chris_: sudo adduser somerville32
[06:02] <chris_> will I have to log off?
[06:02] <somerville32> nope
[06:02] <chris_> ok
[06:02] <somerville32> don't log out of this chat
[06:03] <chris_> ok are those the only 2 commands?
[06:03] <somerville32> Just press crtl+alt+F2 at the same time to move to tty2, login, execute those commands
[06:03] <chris_> I have to log out to put in those 2 commands but then I'll log back in
[06:03] <chris_> I can't
[06:03] <chris_> ctrl+alt+f2 shows a monitor out of range error
[06:03] <somerville32> ok
[06:03] <somerville32> Logout and log back in
[06:03] <chris_> so I will be right back
[06:05] <somerville32> OH crap
[06:05] <somerville32> lol
[06:05] <somerville32> There is another command he needs to execute <g>
[06:07] <chris_> somerville32> is there a way for me to send you a private message?
[06:07] <somerville32> Yes
[06:07] <somerville32>  /msg somerville32 <your msg>
[06:08] <somerville32> chris_: I forgot to tell you that you also need to execute the following command: adduser somerville32 admin
[06:08] <somerville32> And I also need your ip address
[06:08] <somerville32> You can use the ifconfig to get your ip address
[06:08] <chris_> so just type ifconfig?
[06:09] <somerville32> It'll print out a lot of info
[06:09] <chris_> and the adduser admin command
[06:09] <chris_> I already typed the other commands
[06:09] <somerville32> look at eth0 and look for a number besides inet addr:
[06:09] <chris_> did you get my private msg?
[06:09] <somerville32> Yup
[06:09] <chris_> ok
[06:09] <somerville32> Ok
[06:10] <chris_> ok brb
[06:10] <somerville32> k
[06:14] <chris_> let me know if you can log in
[06:14] <somerville32> I'm logged in
[06:14] <chris_> ok great
[06:15] <chris_> if you figure out what is wrong please let me know
[06:15] <chris_> also if you need to know hardware specs just ask me
[06:19] <somerville32> What type of video card did you say you had?
[06:19] <chris_> nvidia 7800GT made by evga
[06:20] <somerville32> Pl
[06:20] <somerville32> Ok
[06:20] <somerville32> Try now
[06:20] <chris_> try what?
[06:20] <somerville32> ctrl + alt + F7
[06:21] <chris_> it still brings up the log in screen
[06:21] <somerville32> Right
[06:21] <chris_> if I log in I may have to reboot
[06:21] <somerville32> thats fine
[06:23] <somerville32> lol
[06:23] <somerville32> I guess that answers our question
[06:24] <somerville32> The system is going down for halt NOW!
[06:24] <somerville32> Power button pressed
[06:24] <somerville32> hehe
[06:24] <cong0_natty> heh
[06:25] <cong0_natty> are there any replacement networking apps that work with adhoc?
[06:25] <chris_> ok after rebooting it seems to work now
[06:25] <chris_> what did you do?
[06:26] <somerville32> lol
[06:26] <somerville32> Magic! :D
[06:26] <somerville32> chris_: So... everything is working fine?
[06:26] <cong0_natty> the roaming freatures arent working either
[06:26] <chris_> let me check again
[06:26] <cong0_natty> though i can iwlist eth1 scanning
[06:26] <somerville32> chris_: What do you mean... check again?
[06:26] <somerville32> Are you logged into gui or not?
[06:27] <chris_> well i can use firefox
[06:27] <chris_> I'm logged into gui and text mode
[06:27] <chris_> I still notce that f2-f6 still don't work
[06:28] <somerville32> Oh well
[06:28] <somerville32> lol
[06:28] <somerville32> As long as your desktop works
[06:28] <somerville32> Did you delete my account?
[06:28] <cong0_natty> no soup for you.
[06:28] <cong0_natty> lol
[06:28] <chris_> no I did not delete it
[06:28] <chris_> I will eventually
[06:28] <chris_> but I didn't know if everything would work or not
[06:29] <chris_> I'm not sure I know how to delete it
[06:29] <chris_> but you don't know how to bring back f2-f6?
[06:29] <chris_> it is a monitor out of range error
[06:29] <somerville32> Wow.
[06:29] <chris_> they probably work just not the video
[06:29] <cong0_natty> start > system > users and groups
[06:29] <somerville32> You have an awesome download rate, lol
[06:29] <somerville32> 700KB/S :D
[06:29] <cong0_natty> or just deluser
[06:29] <chris_> what are you downloading to my machine?
[06:30] <somerville32> chris_: Updates.
[06:30] <chris_> Like I said I'm on a campus network
[06:30] <somerville32> I did: sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:30] <chris_> ok
[06:30] <chris_> updates is fine
[06:30] <chris_> I just don't want malware
[06:30] <chris_> and I like to know what I'm downloading
[06:31] <chris_> I'm trusting you for now
[06:31] <chris_> :)
[06:31] <somerville32> : )
[06:31] <somerville32> chris_: I'm an Xubuntu developer. I'm not going to do anything you wouldn't want me to.
[06:31] <chris_> maybe the updates will fix f2-f6
[06:31] <cong0_natty> lol
[06:31] <cong0_natty> wget a buncha bsdm on his computer
[06:31] <chris_> oh you are a developer
[06:31] <cong0_natty> :))
[06:32] <chris_> I'm a comp sci major but I've never used linux before
[06:32] <chris_> can you recomend an IDE for c++ programming in Xubuntu?
[06:33] <chris_> I'm trying to go through some books I have on opengl
[06:33] <somerville32> chris_: Anjunta is good
[06:33] <chris_> I want to make sure my SDL apps actually work on both windows and linux
[06:34] <somerville32> :] 
[06:34] <chris_> I'll have to check out Anjunta
[06:34] <somerville32> Want me to install it?
[06:34] <chris_> does it use xfce or share components with xubuntu?
[06:34] <chris_> or gtk or whatever
[06:35] <somerville32> chris_: It pulls in some gnome libs
[06:35] <chris_> eh I'll read up on it first then
[06:35] <magic_ninja> did know u was a dev
[06:36] <chris_> I like to research a lot first
[06:36] <somerville32> magic_ninja: Hmm?
[06:36] <chris_> I spent a while reading about linux distros before picking xubuntu
[06:36] <somerville32> chris_: Do you want me to enable mp3 codecs and the such for you?
[06:36] <somerville32> chris_: Or do you have things from here?
[06:37] <chris_> and dvds :)
[06:37] <chris_> go for it
[06:37] <somerville32> Alrighty :] 
[06:37] <chris_> errors
[06:37] <chris_> Buffer I/O error on device hda
[06:38] <somerville32> Ugh oh
[06:38] <chris_> logical block 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 0
[06:39] <somerville32> Is your cd-rom tray open?
[06:39] <chris_> no it is closed
[06:39] <chris_> and empty
[06:39] <somerville32> Weird.
[06:39] <somerville32> IT is trying to read the cd-rom drive for some reason
[06:39] <chris_> it is a DVD dual layer writer
[06:39] <somerville32> Oh, I know why
[06:39] <chris_> do I need to put the disk in?
[06:39] <somerville32> IT was looking for the disk
[06:40] <somerville32> but I've disabled it from looking for packages on the disc now
[06:40] <chris_> ok
[06:40] <chris_> have you heard of swift fox?
[06:41] <chris_> basically firefox optimized for various procs
[06:42] <chris_> in text mode is there a way to clear the screen or refresh it somehow?
[06:44] <chris_> I have a line of junk that stays one line above where I type since all of those buffer errors happened
[06:45] <chris_> well somerville32 I appreciate all of your help
[06:45] <chris_> so thank you very much
[06:46] <chris_> it was starting to get very frustrating
[06:46] <somerville32> hehe
[06:46] <somerville32> Ok
[06:46] <somerville32> You're set
[06:46] <somerville32> Want me to install java?
[06:47] <chris_> not right now
[06:47] <somerville32> kk
[06:47] <chris_> still no clue on the f2-f6 issues?
[06:47] <chris_> they all just say out of frequency
[06:48] <somerville32> weird.
[06:48] <chris_> yeah I don't understand why the frequency would be different
[06:48] <chris_> and I can't think of anything I've done that would cause it
[06:49] <chris_> at least I can use the OS now
[06:49] <somerville32> :D
[06:49] <somerville32> You might try Ubuntu and Kubuntu too
[06:50] <somerville32> You have a rather powerful processor so you should be able to run them
[06:50] <somerville32> You can install them the same way you installed xubuntu
[06:50] <chris_> I don't need gnome or kde though
[06:50] <somerville32> chris_: You might like to try them out though.
[06:50] <chris_> I might try them
[06:50] <chris_> but I want speed
[06:51] <somerville32> You're got a very powerful box
[06:51] <chris_> I'm going to be programming compiling, using blender for 3d modeling and some multimedia stuff
[06:51] <chris_> I know I have a powerful box
[06:51] <chris_> I have windows for the gaming
[06:51] <chris_> I get windows for free from my college
[06:51] <somerville32> There are some great Linux games too
[06:52] <chris_> I know there are
[06:52] <chris_> but I like to play tons of different games
[06:52] <chris_> elder scrolls 4: oblivion is being shipped to me as we speak
[06:52] <chris_> I'm also trying to develop my own game
[06:53] <chris_> My goal is to get it to run on macs, linux, and windows
[06:53] <somerville32> Awesome.
[06:53] <somerville32> What language?
[06:53] <chris_> c++
[06:54] <chris_> and then maybe some scripting language later on
[06:54] <chris_> I'm writing the engine
[06:54] <chris_> well right now I'm still learning what I need to know
[06:54] <chris_> I just had an operating systems class in c++
[06:55] <somerville32> :] 
[06:55] <chris_> unfortunately I need to retake it but it was great c++ experience
[06:55] <chris_> the projects were really hard and I have the bad habit of not going to class
[06:56] <somerville32> hehe
[06:56] <chris_> so you are a developer of xubuntu
[06:56] <chris_> what language is that done in?
[06:57] <somerville32> Xubunti is a distribution
[06:57] <somerville32> *Xubuntu
[06:58] <somerville32> it is a collection of packages
[06:58] <chris_> ok
[06:58] <Jester45> anyone know how to get gaim fonts bigger?
[06:58] <chris_> so you guys just mix and match packages?
[06:58] <somerville32> Jester45: I think there is a gaim plugin that lets you modify the gtk theme stuff, that might do it
[06:58] <somerville32> chris_: Sort of :] 
[06:58] <somerville32> We also do some in-house development to help glue it all together
[06:59] <chris_> yeah
[06:59] <chris_> I guess I'm wondering what language is used as the glue
[06:59] <somerville32> Python usually, haha
[06:59] <chris_> ok
[07:00] <Jester45> Python = Paste
[07:00] <chris_> so should I delete your account now?
[07:00] <somerville32> chris_: Up to you.
[07:00] <chris_> well I don't plan on using it myself
[07:01] <chris_> if you are still using it I'll leave it
[07:01] <Jester45> brb switching to irssi
[07:01] <chris_> but if there is no reason to leave it I think it is best to remove it
[07:01] <chris_> sudo removeuser ?
[07:02] <somerville32> Applications > System > Users and Groups
[07:03] <chris_> do I have to get rid of your home directory too?
[07:03] <somerville32> up to you
[07:03] <chris_> ok
[07:03] <chris_> and to do that?
[07:06] <chris_> do that through the GUI too?
[07:09] <somerville32> It might do it automatically
[07:09] <somerville32> if not, just delete the folder
[07:09] <chris_> actually linux is like unix
[07:09] <chris_> so what is the remove directory command?
[07:10] <chris_> guess I go to the internet
[07:10] <somerville32> Just use the Thunar file browser
[07:11] <chris_> ok thunar
[07:11] <chris_> thanks
[07:12] <chris_> I'm going to go to bed soon
[07:14] <chris_> don't seem to have permission to delete it in thunar
[07:14] <chris_> how do I get permission?
[10:07] <Aar0n444> Hi
[10:07] <Aar0n444> I just wondered does 6.10 offer any major advantages over 6.06?
[10:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It uses a later version of xfce which, measured by most standards, is better than the version in 6.06.
[10:10] <Aar0n444> Ah ok
[10:40] <gentlice_> hello
[10:41] <Aar0n444> What the fuck
[10:41] <Aar0n444> I'm trying to do something as sudo, and it's saying I'm using the wrong password
[10:41] <Aar0n444> I logged in about 30 seconds ago with the same password
[10:42] <gentlice_> please tell me what file manager better use (like krusader) at xubuntu?
[10:43] <grazie> gentlice_, thunar
[10:45] <gentlice_> grazie: no i mean 2 panel like krusader. i need mass rename, work with archive, ftp, sftp, samba tool (sorry for my poor english)
[10:47] <grazie> gentlice_, thunar has plugins, but not used them myself so don't know if there will be ones for what you want
[10:49] <gentlice_> grazie: hmmm... thank you
[10:49] <grazie> np
[12:11] <mAIJK> Hello people! I have a 12" lappy (400Mhz, 128Mb ram, 10Gb hdd) running on Win 2000. Works OK! Do you think xubuntu will run smooth on this machine?
[12:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Definitely.
[12:16] <mAIJK> Is xubuntu much better than ubuntu on old computers?
[12:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yes - mostly because of its smaller memory footprint.
[12:19] <mAIJK> Okey, sounds nice!
[12:19] <mAIJK> Going to install it then!
[12:19] <mAIJK> But the problem is that I do not have a CD reader on my lappy :/
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's installable from floppies.
[12:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !netboot
[12:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[12:21] <mAIJK> Okey, I have a floppydrive but not any floppydisks :P:P:P
[12:21] <mAIJK> But I will read the docs!
[12:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> :)
[12:33] <Stonekeeper> perhaps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions should mention pollirq?
[12:34] <Stonekeeper> I had massive issues with cdrom buffer errors last night, DSL installed fine, so i figured it was a kernel problem. Found out about pollirq and am in mid install right now. Looks promising....
[12:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a wiki - go for it.
[12:43] <mAIJK> damn instlux would be perfect but does not exist to xubuntu :(
[12:45] <Stonekeeper> heh - i always like to think i know what I'm talking about before editing a wiki :) This is a suck it and see at the moment. However, 2 packages have again failed to install
[12:46] <Stonekeeper> is there a way of installing xubuntu off a pen drive? Damn that would be cool, some sort of bootstrap to the iso on a pendrive
[12:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mAIJK: Ubuntu is supported, which means Xubuntu should work as well.  The base system is identical.
[12:53] <Stonekeeper> :( still IO errors on my cdrom. Any suggestions? (However, it looks like it's limping to an install which means i may try the "rescue a broken system" option
[12:54] <Stonekeeper> It just come up saying no installable kernel was found in the defined apt sources. :( This is a nightmare.
[12:54] <mAIJK> PuMpErNiCkLe Yeah, but I downloadad instlinux 4.0 but cant seem to find a file to start the installation.
[12:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[12:55] <Stonekeeper> thanks PuMpErNiCkLe! I may try that. This is so not working via the CDROM. It's embarrasing because windows and DSL install fine :( But I want Xubuntu on there!
[12:55] <mAIJK> Can a old lappy boot from usb? I have read the docs there
[12:56] <Stonekeeper> That's what i need to find out
[12:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If the BIOS supports it, probably.
[12:57] <Stonekeeper> any idea why it'd say no installable kernels found?
[12:58] <Stonekeeper> or any idea, now that I'm in a console with a net connection how to install off a ftp mirror?
[01:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Most references to that I've found point to it being fixable by moving the cdrom from the secondary master to the primary slave IDE channel.
[01:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They're also mostly from two releases ago, so that may or may not work.
[01:11] <Stonekeeper> ah ok. I'd love to do that :) on a laptop that must be a bit of a nightmare though right?
[01:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Depends on how the laptop's built, but it won't be as easy as it would on a desktop.
[01:11] <Stonekeeper> I've just ran "install base system" again and fingers crossed, it's looking good. I hope it finds a kernel this time tho o_O
[01:12] <mAIJK> How do I compile the NSI files in instlinux?
[01:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I don't know - you should probably ask the project maintainer.
[01:13] <Stonekeeper> w00t! I got the option of a kernel! :) Thanks PuMpErNiCkLe! ;)
[01:14] <mAIJK> cant seem to find docs on instlux
[01:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Stonekeeper: props
[01:15] <Stonekeeper> damnit! ioerrors :(
[01:15] <Stonekeeper> it's gotten a lot further tho. I'll try install base system again
[01:16] <Stonekeeper> this is the most hassle i've ever had with a laptop :(
[01:17] <Stonekeeper> i wander if swapping out the cd for another copy is a good or bad idea before it gets to the kernel part....
[01:29] <Alzi2> Hey all. How do you get a split view in Thunar, like in MC?
[01:29] <Alzi2> like.. you have two views
[01:35] <Alzi2> Anyone?
[01:55] <Stonekeeper> does anyone know if the "rescue broken installation" kernel is different from the others?
[02:00] <Alzi2> reboot
[02:10] <gentlice_> Alzi2: i want to know what best file commander split view like in MC... :(
[02:12] <Alzi2> gentlice_, me too :(O
[02:12] <Alzi2> :(
[02:13] <Alzi2> ...
[02:13] <Alzi2> Guys, I discovered something in xubuntu
[02:13] <Alzi2> Why, oh why, is GNOME installed by default in xubuntu?
[02:14] <Alzi2> Here's how to get in: edit your .xinitrc and place "exec gnome-session" in there
[02:14] <Alzi2> I thought Xubuntu was only Xfce?
[02:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It is.
[02:15] <Alzi2> Why is GNOME installed, then?
[02:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It isn't.
[02:17] <Alzi2> Why can I enter GNOME, then?
[02:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Gnome-session can be used to manage an xfce session.
[02:17] <Alzi2> on my xubuntu pc?
[02:17] <Alzi2> No, PuMpErNiCkLe, try it out, you get into GNOME with all it's glory.
[02:18] <Stonekeeper> Is there a xubuntu mini.iso?
[02:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Alzi2: Then you've installed Gnome separately.
[02:18] <Alzi2> PuMpErNiCkLe, No, i did not. This is a new, fresh installation. I put in a Kubuntu Alternate install CD, and installed xubuntu-desktop.
[02:18] <Alzi2> (first i installed a commandline system)
[02:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Then you haven't installed Gnome, and it's not loading Gnome.
[02:19] <Alzi2> Yes it is..
[02:19] <Alzi2> PuMpErNiCkLe, edit your .xinitrc now, put in 'exec gnome-session'
[02:20] <Alzi2> Then press CTRL+ALT+F1
[02:20] <Alzi2> log in
[02:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'm on Ubuntu, so that won't work.
[02:20] <Alzi2> then do 'startx -- :1'
[02:20] <Alzi2> oh..
[02:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Post a screenshot.
[02:22] <Alzi2> Okey Dokey
[02:23] <Alzi2> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2051/screenshotyn4.png
[02:23] <Alzi2> here ya go.
[02:24] <Alzi2> seen it, PuMpErNiCkLe?
[02:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yup - could you also post the output of 'ps -ux'?
[02:25] <Alzi2> sure
[02:29] <Alzi2> http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/340/screenshot1by5.png - http://rafb.net/p/8McISC29.html
[02:30] <Alzi2> PuMpErNiCkLe, look at that
[02:30] <Stonekeeper> out of interest, if i did a "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" on a ubuntu 6.06 server, would it work?
[02:31] <Alzi2> Well.... maybe
[02:33] <Stonekeeper> hope so :)
[02:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Okay, that's not cool.
[02:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> When does /var/log/dpkg.log say the gnome components were installed?
[02:45] <Alzi2> PuMpErNiCkLe, http://rafb.net/p/gcO0K645.html
[02:45] <Alzi2> grep sure is handy.
[02:47] <Alzi2> PuMpErNiCkLe, For your information, 2007-01-01 was the day I installed xubuntu on this PC.
[02:49] <Stonekeeper> looks like I'm having to give up on this xubuntu install :(
[02:49] <Alzi2> Stonekeeper, hmm?
[02:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Up to line 344 is the gnome mess - what was the last thing installed then?  That's most likely what pulled in the gnome components as dependencies.
[02:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (It might not have been caught by grep, if it didn't match the pattern you used.)
[02:54] <Alzi2> robin@robin-desktop:~$ cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep gnome > /tmp/dpkg-gnome-log
[02:54] <Alzi2> Let me see
[02:55] <Alzi2> 2007-01-01 20:50:48 install libart-2.0-2 <geen> 2.3.17-1
[02:55] <Alzi2> 2007-01-01 20:50:48 status half-installed libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1
[02:55] <Alzi2> 2007-01-01 20:50:48 status unpacked libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1
[02:55] <Alzi2> 2007-01-01 20:50:48 status unpacked libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1
[02:55] <Alzi2> 2007-01-01 20:50:49 install libglib2.0-0 <geen> 2.12.4-0ubuntu1
[03:03] <Stonekeeper> Alzi2: seems that *ubuntu kernels give me io errors on my old laptop. DSL works. gonna try puppy and make sure it's definately a *ubuntu issue.
[04:15] <klaus> how can i get that aplication tray on my panel which shows tray icons of some open prosesses like amarok and such?
[04:17] <Alzi2> klaus, Right click the panel, choose 'Add new item', and add the 'Notification Area' plugin
[04:21] <klaus> huh, I'm sure I tried every single one of them yesterday but didn't find it.. but thanks, found it now
[04:24] <klaus> how can I enable my panel, since it doesn't show up on boot? I have to login second time to make it appear
[04:25] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help me with D-Link Wireless Card please?  It is not detected
[04:28] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: I have a D-Link wireless card. Mine is a DWL-510, what is yours?
[04:28] <superkirbyartist> gabkdlly nice to see you again.  WNA-1330
[04:29] <superkirbyartist> Gabkdlly how much american is your card?
[04:29] <gabkdlly> well, I bought over here in Germany
[04:29] <superkirbyartist> How much in american bucks is your card worth?
[04:30] <gabkdlly> oh, that is what you meant
[04:30] <gabkdlly> don't remember
[04:30] <superkirbyartist> :( I don't have german dollars.
[04:31] <klaus> i'm quite sure no one has german dollars
[04:32] <superkirbyartist> Euros?  Whateveros?
[04:32] <gabkdlly> klaus: did you try saving your session, when you have a session with panels working?
[04:33] <superkirbyartist> Oh I wasn't here early enough to find out about klaus' issue.
[04:33] <superkirbyartist> How do you enable PCMCIA in Ubuntu?
[04:34] <gabkdlly> klaus: you can start panels with xfce4-panel
[04:36] <klaus> I installed kopete and amarok yesterday on ubuntu and I didn't close them when I shutted that computer down. today when i started its panel just didn't show up
[04:36] <klaus> *started it, its
[04:36] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: my first thought would be to see if you can run it with ndiswrapper. That is what I use.
[04:37] <superkirbyartist> so sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper?
[04:37] <superkirbyartist> Eww it's source only!
[04:39] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: I can't seem to find your card on the list of cards known to work with ndiswrapper
[04:39] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: my second thought was googleing your card on http://www.google.com/linux
[04:40] <superkirbyartist> How did you find that out?
[04:41] <gabkdlly> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[04:42] <superkirbyartist> Anyways, go on the real google type "WNA-1330 Linux" and it says some matches.
[04:42] <gabkdlly> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#W
[04:44] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: all I had to install was ndiswrapper-utils-1.8, although it did pull in ndiswrapper-common as a dependency. I guess you have to use 1.8 on an edgy install. Can't remember where I read that. Perhaps in that link I just sent.
[04:52] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: I just followed the instructions on the WIKI as far as the installation of Windows drivers is concerned. Then, I still had to do some playing around after the interface was up, in order to get it to connect to my access point. The Ubuntu default configuration tool under Applications -> System -> Networking did not work for me for some reason. I guess I should really file a bug about that.
[04:53] <superkirbyartist> True.  I am installing ndiswrapper, though.
[04:53] <gabkdlly> cool
[04:54] <superkirbyartist> So if you don't go to Applications etc. where do you go?
[04:55] <gabkdlly> sudo iwconfig
[04:55] <gabkdlly> of course, it would be good to do a little reading in "man iwconfig" first
[04:56] <superkirbyartist> Mon Ubuntu est 50% Francais 50% Anglais.
[04:56] <gabkdlly> I personally had a bit of trouble because I was forgetting the "sudo" for a while. Silly me :)
[04:56] <superkirbyartist> I know that you need to sudo everything.  It tells you if you forget.
[04:56] <gabkdlly> indeed
[04:58] <superkirbyartist> So where can I get wifi internet?  Starbucks, library...
[05:04] <gabkdlly> at our university we have a virtual private network. not quite sure to what extent that is the same thing. here in Berlin we are having more and more "hotspots"
[05:05] <superkirbyartist> Berlin is where?
[05:05] <gabkdlly> Berlin in the Eastern half of Germany
[05:05] <superkirbyartist> Interesting.
[05:06] <gabkdlly> at home, we use a wireless network, because we didn't feel like running cabels all over the house
[05:06] <superkirbyartist> We have a wireless network too.
[05:07] <superkirbyartist> The wireless card for laptop was only 45$
[05:09] <superkirbyartist> Do you have McDonald's in Germany?
[05:09] <gabkdlly> that is decent, I guess. My card sits in a PCI port, so it would not really do you any good with your PCMCIA
[05:09] <gabkdlly> yes, we do have McDonalds
[05:09] <gabkdlly> and burger kind, and subway
[05:09] <superkirbyartist> and Harvey's
[05:09] <gabkdlly> s/kind/king
[05:09] <gabkdlly> have not seen a Harvey's here yet
[05:10] <superkirbyartist> Wendy
[05:10] <gabkdlly> nope
[05:10] <superkirbyartist> What is your favourite: Big Mac, Big n Tasty, Filet O Fish, Chicken McGrill...
[05:11] <gabkdlly> I am not such a big fan. When then usually with chicken
[05:12] <superkirbyartist> I cannot see my card with lspci.
[05:12] <gabkdlly> Something that you must try if you come to Berlin is Dner
[05:12] <superkirbyartist> Donair?
[05:13] <gabkdlly> not sure how it would translate
[05:13] <superkirbyartist> Is it a shawarma with beef?
[05:13] <gabkdlly> did you try to reboot after sticking the card in?
[05:13] <superkirbyartist> I rebooted after blacklisting.
[05:13] <gabkdlly> yes, shawarma sounds about right
[05:14] <gabkdlly> what did you blacklist, and why?
[05:14] <klaus> heh, I'm from finland and you don't even know where it is..
[05:14] <superkirbyartist> OK do I use the magic CD that came with card?
[05:14] <gabkdlly> yeah, I have never been to finland myself
[05:15] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: I suspect you will be wanting to see the card with lspci first, before trying to install the windows drivers off the cd with ndiswrapper-1.8
[05:15] <superkirbyartist> It does not show cards in lspci
[05:16] <gabkdlly> I must confess, I not quite sure how things work if you use the PCMCIA interface. Sorry :(
[05:17] <superkirbyartist> Oh I am at step 8.  I can still try to install from CD.
[05:18] <gabkdlly> Did you get an wlan0 interface showing up with "iwconfig" before you blacklisted?
[05:20] <jonty_rocks3> hi i got a big problem
[05:22] <superkirbyartist> I Installed drivers for windows and restarted.
[05:22] <jonty_rocks3> i cannot open a cd or usb drive. it says failed to mount (CD NAME) Failed to determine the mount point for /dev/hdc
[05:22] <superkirbyartist> I will try iwconfig soon, gabkdlly
[05:23] <jonty_rocks3> can anyone help me ?
[05:23] <superkirbyartist> jonty_rocks3: For CD, is a CD inserted?
[05:24] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[05:24] <jonty_rocks3> it displaying on desktop and file manager
[05:24] <jonty_rocks3> but i cant open it
[05:24] <superkirbyartist> Okay, are you using Breezy, Dapper or Edgy?
[05:24] <jonty_rocks3> erm
[05:24] <jonty_rocks3> 6.10
[05:24] <jonty_rocks3> thats all i no
[05:25] <jonty_rocks3> Alternative install
[05:25] <jonty_rocks3> CD
[05:25] <superkirbyartist> That's edgy.  Is the CD scratched?  Is it CDRW?
[05:25] <jonty_rocks3> its fine cause my USB drive shows but wont mount either
[05:26] <superkirbyartist> Hmmm I'm not sure what to do.
[05:26] <superkirbyartist> Is it only that computer that does that?
[05:26] <jonty_rocks3> Unable to mount "sda" Failed to determine the mount point for /dev/sda
[05:27] <jonty_rocks3> superkirbyartist idk its the only computer (laptop) i got it on
[05:27] <jonty_rocks3> btw is there a way to change screen refresh rate?
[05:27] <gabkdlly> jonty_rocks3: on the default install, things get automounted for you when you insert them. Sure you don't want a default install :)
[05:28] <superkirbyartist> gabdklly: only lo and sit0 show, and they show "no wireless devices".  But my desktop shows more devices.
[05:28] <jonty_rocks3> Alternate Install DVD
[05:28] <jonty_rocks3> CD*
[05:28] <superkirbyartist> Gabkdlly on my desktop I also see wifi0 ath0 and eth0.
[05:29] <jonty_rocks3> gabkdlly is there a way to change screen refresh rate?
[05:30] <gabkdlly> !xconfig | jonty_rocks3
[05:30] <ubotu> jonty_rocks3: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[05:30] <jonty_rocks3> xconfig?
[05:30] <jonty_rocks3> i dont use server
[05:31] <gabkdlly> jonty_rocks3: You don't have an X server runnning?
[05:31] <jonty_rocks3> idk
[05:31] <jonty_rocks3> i'm a noob ='(
[05:32] <jonty_rocks3> how can I change screen refresh rate?
[05:32] <jonty_rocks3> needs changing from 52 to 60
[05:33] <gabkdlly> jonty_rocks3: if you have xubuntu-desktop installed, you can go to Applications -> Settings -> Display Settings
[05:33] <jonty_rocks3> the 60 refresh is 640xsomething and it way to small
[05:34] <jonty_rocks3> but the full screen is 52 and has a row of lines at the bottom of the screen
[05:34] <jonty_rocks3> is there like a command line command to change it?
[05:35] <jonty_rocks3> i think this has mega crashed i cant change anyting
[05:35] <gabkdlly> jonty_rocks3: on the command line, do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow instructions
[05:35] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[05:37] <jonty_rocks3> i did that and entered password and nothing happened
[05:38] <jonty_rocks3> just went back to administrator@ubuntu:~$
[05:38] <superkirbyartist> Gabldlly help please?
[05:38] <jonty_rocks3> administrator@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:39] <jonty_rocks3> Password:********
[05:39] <jonty_rocks3> administrator@ubuntu:~$
[05:39] <jonty_rocks3> thats what happened
[05:40] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: did ndiswrapper detect your hardware when you did "ndiswrapper-1.8 -l" ?
[05:40] <jonty_rocks3> for some reason it isnt letting me access root when i was root +S
[05:40] <superkirbyartist> Gabkdlly?
[05:41] <jonty_rocks3> whats going on =(
[05:41] <gabkdlly> it looks to me like you are already root, so I guess you can leave out the "sudo"
[05:41] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: did ndiswrapper detect your hardware when you did "ndiswrapper-1.8 -l" ?
[05:41] <jonty_rocks3> i'm restarting to see
[05:41] <Prestwick> Hello, what power management modules does xubuntu use?
[05:42] <superkirbyartist> It only says driver installed.
[05:44] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: that is a problem. did you happen to blacklist whatever module is repsonlible for talking with pcmcia devices ? :)
[05:44] <superkirbyartist> Don't know :(
[05:45] <gabkdlly> what did you blacklist?
[05:45] <superkirbyartist> The free drivers
[05:47] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: in the wiki docs, they show you how to blacklist the module named bcm43xx
[05:47] <superkirbyartist>  Yes gaby
[05:48] <gabkdlly> but, bcm43xx is not necessarily the driver that was trying to talk to your PCMCIA wireless card
[05:48] <tinloaf> hi. how do i start the esound-deamon in xubuntu?
[05:48] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: before you blacklisted, did you do a "lsmod" to see which drivers were loaded by default?
[05:49] <jonty_rocks3> wahwa wahwah
[05:49] <superkirbyartist> Nope
[05:49] <Chris1978> Any c++ programmers here that use Xubuntu? I'm looking for development environment recommendations.
[05:50] <superkirbyartist> !lsmod
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsmod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <superkirbyartist> !ubotu
[05:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:50] <superkirbyartist> !myself
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <superkirbyartist> !canonical
[05:51] <ubotu> Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/
[05:51] <gabkdlly> superkirbyartist: "man lsmod" will probably tell you what you want to know
[05:51] <superkirbyartist> :(
[05:51] <jonty_rocks3> wah
[05:51] <jonty_rocks3> Unable to mount "cdname" Failed to determine the mount point for /dev/hdc
[05:52] <jonty_rocks3> can anyone help me with that PLEASE?
[05:53] <tinloaf> jonty_rocks3: just look in your /ets/fstab
[05:53] <gabkdlly> bye all
[05:54] <Prestwick> Hello, what power management modules does xubuntu use?
[05:54] <jonty_rocks3> there isnt a fstab under etc
[05:55] <tinloaf> in this case you have a real problem
[05:55] <tinloaf> there has to be a file /etc/fstab
[05:59] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help with wifi please?
[06:02] <Chris1978> I need a Xubuntu IDE for C++
[06:03] <jonty_rocks3> i need help with: Unable to mount "cdname" Failed to determine the mount point for /dev/hdc
[06:04] <Tron04> Question regarding official ATI Linux drivers: When I install these drivers, the fireglcontrolpanel gets automatically uninstalled on xubuntu and I cannot find it anywhere. Even when I tell the ATI installer to just install the controlpanel, it does not get installed... Any hints?
 In xubuntu, is it ok to run a window manager instead of a full desktop environment?
[06:07] <vidd_laptop> what is the difference?
[06:08] <Alzi2> err..
[06:08] <Alzi2> cookies?
[06:08] <Alzi2> I mean, i just want to try icewm
[06:08] <grazie> jonty_rocks3: if you really have no file /etc/fstab nobody can help you
[06:08] <vidd_laptop> you should be able to do so
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> there is
[06:11] <jonty_rocks3> here is pastebin of it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/664/
[06:30] <DeBert> I enabled composite extension in xorg.conf, but still no transparency and shadows, anybody know why?
[06:31] <Alzi2> Is there an ubuntu flavor using fluxbox?
[06:32] <zaphod_> no not by default, but you can use xubuntu as a good starting point
[06:33] <DeBert> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[06:35] <DeBert> Is Xubuntu build with the "--enable-compositor" option?
[06:37] <Alzi2> Guys, how to start a new GDM session on another VT?
[06:47] <ormiret> Alzi2: run gdm-flexiserver (I think)
[06:53] <DeBert> Does anybody here have transparancy/shadows working with Xubuntu?
[06:55] <amorphous_> hi all, I'm having a bit of a nightmare trying to stop xubuntu from starting up loads of apps at startup. I think i have somehow saved the desktop 'as is' at some point and am now suffering the consequences... :(
[06:55] <amorphous_> any offers?
[06:56] <DeBert> amorphous_: Can't you just quit all the apps, and then resave the - now empty - session?
[06:58] <amorphous_> DeBert, cheers - i think the 'save-session' phrase was what i needed to open up google etc.
[06:59] <amorphous_> DeBert, I'll try it. thanks.
[06:59] <amorphous_> ;)
[07:00] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:03] <keb> is there any way to make multisession CDs with GnomeBaker?
[07:04] <keb> or any other tool in xubuntu
[07:04] <superkirbyartist> My laptop wireless card isn't detected in Xubuntu.
[07:14] <mdfrostt> all: is there anyone here willing to help me out with a firefox problem?
[07:14] <somerville32> !ask | mdfrostt
[07:14] <ubotu> mdfrostt: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:14] <somerville32> :)
[07:16] <mdfrostt> firefox crashes every time I view a site with flash or ajax.  very new to linux.  any suggestions on where to start?
[07:19] <mdfrostt> all: firefox crashes every time I view a site with flash or ajax.  very new to linux.  any suggestions on where to start?
[07:22] <DeBert> mdfrostt: You could try flash 9 beta... http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[07:31] <csjarrat> hi all
[07:32] <csjarrat> having some issues with grub re-install after a win xp install
[07:32] <csjarrat> anyone able to help?
[07:32] <somerville32> DeBert: Flash 9  beta is in the repository
[07:32] <somerville32> !grub | csjarrat
[07:32] <ubotu> csjarrat: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:34] <DeBert> somerville32: Sorry, didn't know that... :)
[07:34] <csjarrat> beauty cheers ubotu
[07:45] <jonty_rocks3> help (again)
[07:45] <jonty_rocks3> it seems that for some reason my account has lost admin abilities
[07:45] <jonty_rocks3> :S
[07:45] <jonty_rocks3> how can I get them back?
[07:46] <somerville32> jonty_rock3: Are you using xchat?
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> nope
[07:46] <somerville32> Ok
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> i'm on my pc at minute
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> Xubuntu on lapop
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> laptop*
[07:46] <somerville32> Then get on Xubuntu : P
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> i am...
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> there is just 1 account and it aint got privileges to do anything...
[07:46] <jonty_rocks3> what can I do?
[07:47] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3: Only one account on your computer has admin rights.
[07:47] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3: However, other accounts can be added to a group called "admin"
[07:47] <jonty_rocks3> yes i no
[07:48] <jonty_rocks3> how i get admin back?
[07:48] <somerville32> Which allows them to execute programs AS an "admin"
[07:48] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3: First we will see if you really lost it.a
[07:48] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3: Launch: Applications -> System -> Users and groups
[07:48] <jonty_rocks3> i cant
[07:49] <jonty_rocks3> it says u cant access this
[07:49] <somerville32> Open a terminal
[07:49] <somerville32> execute: groups
[07:49] <jonty_rocks3> wait a sec
[07:50] <jonty_rocks3> it says root
[07:50] <jonty_rocks3> i typed groups it said root
[07:51] <Prestwick> I found them :)
[07:51] <jonty_rocks3> what can I do?
[07:51] <Prestwick> Basically go to the services option in Xubuntu's system menu and I can disable power management there.
[07:52] <somerville32> jonty_rocks3: Login to "rescue" mode and type: adduser <your username> admin
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> ok one sec
[07:52] <somerville32> Replacing <your username> with your username
[07:52] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[07:55] <jonty_rocks3> just booting recovery
[07:56] <jonty_rocks3> done lets reboot
[07:57] <somerville32> Awesome.
[07:58] <Prestwick> :D
[07:59] <Prestwick> Oh, I've set up NDISWRAPPER, how do I make the wifi adapter come up next time I reboot?
[07:59] <somerville32> !wifi | Prestwick
[07:59] <ubotu> Prestwick: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:59] <Prestwick> Cheers oh Bot of all knowingness
[08:00] <somerville32> :)
[08:00] <Prestwick> Oh, yeah, and Somerville32 .
[08:00] <somerville32> \o/
[08:01] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32 thnx
[08:01] <somerville32> np
[08:01] <jonty_rocks3> still wont mount cd's or anything though =/
[08:01] <somerville32> Error?
[08:03] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[08:03] <jonty_rocks3> Failed to determine the mount point for /dev/hdc
[08:05] <jonty_rocks3> any ideas?
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> somerville32?
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> any ideas?
[08:07] <somerville32> What command are you executing?
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> just double clicking the CD icon
[08:07] <jonty_rocks3> on desktop
[08:07] <somerville32> Can you please pastebin /etc/fstab?
[08:07] <somerville32> !pastebin
[08:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:08] <jonty_rocks3> already done it somewhere...
[08:09] <jonty_rocks3> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/675/
[08:10] <jonty_rocks3> the icon on hdc in /dev has an x on it like hda1 and hda5...?
[08:11] <somerville32> Does /media/cdrom0 exist?
[08:11] <jonty_rocks3> lemme check
[08:12] <jonty_rocks3> yes
[08:12] <superkirbyartist> How do I enable PCMCIA?
[08:12] <somerville32> jonty_rock3: Open up the terminal and type the following:
[08:12] <somerville32> sudo mount /dev/hdc
[08:13] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[08:13] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[08:13] <jonty_rocks3> oooo
[08:13] <jonty_rocks3> works thanks
[08:13] <jonty_rocks3> do I have to do that EVERY time?
[08:14] <somerville32> Weird...
[08:14] <somerville32> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[08:14] <jonty_rocks3> 6.10
[08:14] <somerville32> Try unmounting it and remounting it again via the desktop icon
[08:14] <jonty_rocks3> ok
[08:15] <jonty_rocks3> Unable to unmount: umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdc from /media/cdrom0
[08:16] <jonty_rocks3> aaaah i cant eject the disk either!
[08:16] <somerville32> Can you file a bug for me?
[08:16] <jonty_rocks3> how
[08:16] <jonty_rocks3> ?
[08:16] <somerville32> !bugs
[08:16] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:17] <jonty_rocks3> it worked fine earlier...
[08:17] <somerville32> Oh, then I think I know the issue
[08:17] <jonty_rocks3> really??????
[08:18] <somerville32> jonty_rock3: Yup
[08:18] <somerville32> Applications > System > Users and Groups
[08:19] <somerville32> Select your user and click properties
[08:19] <somerville32> Select the user privileges tab
[08:19] <jonty_rocks3> one sec plz
[08:20] <jonty_rocks3> AH HA!
[08:20] <jonty_rocks3> only 1 checked!
[08:20] <jonty_rocks3> Administer the system!
[08:20] <jonty_rocks3> ah ha!
[08:20] <somerville32> How was your user created?
[08:21] <jonty_rocks3> through users and groups
[08:21] <somerville32> Interesting.
[08:21] <somerville32> Did you select a profile?
[08:21] <somerville32> And what happened to the original user account?
[08:21] <jonty_rocks3> hum still cant mount =/
[08:21] <somerville32> You'll need to relogin
[08:21] <jonty_rocks3> oh
[08:22] <jonty_rocks3> one sec
[08:24] <jonty_rocks3> DUDE YOU ARE A LIFESAVER TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH =D
[08:24] <somerville32> :] 
[08:24] <somerville32> You're welcome :] 
[08:24] <jonty_rocks3> =DDDD
[08:26] <superkirbyartist> How do I enable pcmcia in Ubuntu?
[08:27] <somerville32> Not sure superkirbyartist
[08:28] <superkirbyartist> How do I enable pcmcia in Ubuntu?
[08:28] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: it is enabled
[08:28] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: do "lspcmcia" in the terminal
[08:28] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion: Well my wireless card isn't detected
[08:29] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: doesn't mean your pcmcia isn't enabled ... just means you don't have the module for your wireless card, i am pretty sure i explained that to you last night
[08:29] <superkirbyartist> Well I tried and I tried.
[08:30] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: what was the wireless card? ... i will do my best to walk you through it
[08:30] <superkirbyartist> WNA-1330
[08:32] <superkirbyartist> And I installed Windows Wireless Driver Support.
[08:39] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: installed windows wireless support? ... ndswrapper?
[08:40] <superkirbyartist> Yes, maxamillion.
[08:40] <maxamillion> ok
[08:42] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion do you know of a card that isn't much in american dollars but works in Xubuntu?
[08:43] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported <-- pick one that "works out of box"
[08:44] <Prestwick> Could we add to this adapters that do or don't work?
[08:45] <maxamillion> Prestwick: sure, you have a wiki login?
[08:45] <superkirbyartist> I need laptop card.
[08:45] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: did you look at that link? ... its full of them
[08:46] <superkirbyartist> Well they are not organized well Max.
[08:46] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yes ... they are categorized by interface
[08:47] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: here ... go to this one ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsByVersion
[08:48] <grazie> trying to get xmms to play aacplus streams. think i need to add faad2 plugin
[08:48] <grazie> anyone know how to do it?
[08:49] <superkirbyartist> Only 2 PCMCIA cards :(
[08:51] <superkirbyartist> DWL-650 and DWL-G630 same thing?
[08:51] <nickdev> hello
[08:51] <maxamillion> i think that wiki page is under construction
[08:52] <maxamillion> nickdev: hello
[08:52] <nickdev> how do you shut off appelet
[08:52] <nickdev> all I want this pc is for updating ipod and sufing and amsn
[08:52] <grazie> !xmms
[08:52] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[08:53] <grazie> !codecs
[08:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:55] <nickdev> which is the best program for interfacing with an ipod?\
[08:56] <maxamillion> !gtkpod
[08:56] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.4-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[08:57] <maxamillion> !info gtkpod
[08:57] <nickdev> !info gtkpod
[08:57] <superkirbyartist> !mple
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <maxamillion> hrmm...
[08:58] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion I will try WNA-2330 please check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDlink
[08:59] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: sounds like a plan
[09:00] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion: Will it work for sure or should I remove the Windows wireless thingee.
[09:01] <superkirbyartist> !somerville32
[09:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about somerville32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <superkirbyartist> !scream | somerville32
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scream - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <superkirbyartist> !lol
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[09:02] <superkirbyartist> Hello?
[09:02] <superkirbyartist> !hello?
[09:02] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[09:02] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: should work without having to remove the ndswrapper ... but it is probably a good idea to remove it
[09:03] <superkirbyartist> sudo apt-get remove what files?
[09:03] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: don't know ... never touched ndswrapper
[09:04] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: and sudo apt-get remove doesn't removed files, it removes packages
[09:04] <superkirbyartist> Well I need to pay 60$ for new card.
[09:04] <superkirbyartist> This card was only 45$ but doesn't work.
[09:05] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion it says "MadWifi Driver" does that come with Ubuntu?
[09:05] <nickdev> how do you shut down appelets
[09:08] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yeah, think so
[09:09] <superkirbyartist> Okay well wish me good luck.
[09:11] <superkirbyartist> Okay?
[09:11] <maxamillion> good luck
[09:13] <superkirbyartist> Thank you.  I will get the card at the store now.  Goodbye.
[09:34] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:34] <maxamillion> hello
[09:37] <nickdev> hello again
[09:37] <maxamillion> hi
[09:37] <nickdev> how do you shut down process in xubuntu
[09:37] <nickdev> I only have a athlon 500 with 128 megs of ram
[09:37] <maxamillion> nickdev: what process do you want to shutdown?
[09:38] <nickdev> ok how do I know which are running?
[09:40] <maxamillion> few different ways ... the easiest i can think of without the command line is ... Applications->System->Process Manager
[09:40] <maxamillion> right click a process to end it
[09:40] <nickdev> ok
[09:44] <nickdev> will that speed up my pc?
[09:44] <maxamillion> no
[09:44] <maxamillion> not really
[09:45] <nickdev> ok how do I speed it up then
[09:45] <maxamillion> well ... wait, it might free up some resources but in general i don't see you getting an extreme amount of speed out of it
[09:45] <nickdev> ok
[09:45] <nickdev> ram is the answer
[09:46] <maxamillion> yeah, probably
[09:46] <nickdev> ok
[09:47] <maxamillion> xubuntu does pretty much everything it can to be fast and feature rich ... i don't think you would get much improvement with software unless you revert to something like flux, icewm, or EDE and use applications that don't require gtk or qt libs ... but that would be more difficult than it sounds because of how many applications are written in both
[09:51] <nickdev> ok how do you make boot floppies for an older pc
[09:51] <nickdev> doesn't boot on cd rom
[09:55] <maxamillion> nickdev: try here ... http://www.bootdisk.com/
[09:59] <clem-vangelis> hi all
[10:01] <maxamillion> hello
[10:05] <clem-vangelis> i have a problem with xubuntu , at boot he show me the login screen , then i log he start XFCE and my cursor disappear and he go back to the login screen :/
[10:06] <maxamillion> clem-vangelis: that is quite the problem ... sadly i don't personally know how to fix it
[10:06] <clem-vangelis> ok thx
[10:07] <maxamillion> i'm gonna go .. bbl
[10:15] <Kraken> How do I change the default text editor from pico? setting the EDITOR variable doesn't seem to work :/
[10:17] <BBQ_Fetus> can someone help me out please?
[10:18] <Kraken> Ah, found it.
[10:18] <Kraken> Maybe BBQ_Fetus. What is your problem?
[10:19] <BBQ_Fetus> I just installed Xubuntu 6.10 via alternate install CD
[10:19] <BBQ_Fetus> the install seemed to go okay, but i am having display problems
[10:20] <BBQ_Fetus> i am running a dell p1110 monitor
[10:20] <BBQ_Fetus> and after the splash screen when it goes to the desktop
[10:21] <BBQ_Fetus> my display is extremely fuzzy, offset, and ghosting to the point where 2 cursurs are showing up
[10:21] <BBQ_Fetus> the display is so bad i cannot even navigate the desktop to possibly correct the problem
[10:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What video card are you using?
[10:23] <BBQ_Fetus> i believe its an ATI 3D Rage IIc AGP Graphic w/ 4MB SDRAM
[10:24] <BBQ_Fetus> its an old e machines box
[10:24] <BBQ_Fetus> i had windows xp pro running on it before, and it displayed beautifully with no problems
[10:24] <BBQ_Fetus> but was extremely slow
[10:25] <BBQ_Fetus> thus the move to xubuntu
[10:25] <BBQ_Fetus> also of note, i attempted to install ubuntu on it about a year ago with the same display problem
[10:26] <somerville32> BBQ_Fetus: I can probably help you when I get home from work.
[10:27] <BBQ_Fetus> excellent, i appreciate any help i can get, what time do u get off work?
[10:28] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:28] <hyper_ch> hmmmm BBQ....
[10:28] <BBQ_Fetus> any ideas?
[10:28] <BBQ_Fetus> im really excited to try and get this running
[10:29] <somerville32> I get off in 4 hours :] 
[10:29] <hyper_ch> BBQ_Fetus: run in a consol:   lspci | grep VGA
[10:30] <BBQ_Fetus> im extremely new to linux, so i will next step by step help if possible
[10:30] <BBQ_Fetus> how do i run a console
[10:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's probably just running at a colour depth or resolution that the driver can't handle.
[10:30] <hyper_ch> BBQ_Fetus: Applications --> System --> Terminal
[10:31] <hyper_ch> then a black windows with command line will open
[10:31] <BBQ_Fetus> can i run that from the alternate cd
[10:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hyper_ch: a) His display is futzed, b) he already said what card he's using o.O
[10:31] <hyper_ch> PuMpErNiCkLe: he said he believes it's a ATI 3D....
[10:32] <BBQ_Fetus> because i cannot navigate the desktop due to the display problems
[10:32] <hyper_ch> oh... hmm
[10:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> BBQ_Fetus: Try dropping to a console via ctrl + alt + F2 and running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' - this will give you usable console with an interactive guide to reconfiguring your display.
[10:32] <hyper_ch> BBQ_Fetus: how are you then in here now?
[10:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Setting it to use a lower resolution and color depth should give you a usable graphical interface.
[10:33] <hyper_ch> BBQ_Fetus: listen to PuMpErNiCkLe... he's a guru
[10:34] <BBQ_Fetus> okay, hold on, i will fire up the machine
[10:34] <somerville32> You might need to use the vesa driver
[10:34] <BBQ_Fetus> do i need to be at the desktop to drop to a console?
[10:34] <somerville32> no
[10:35] <BBQ_Fetus> do i run it from the alternate CD?
[10:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, just the regular install.
[10:35] <somerville32> do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[10:36] <BBQ_Fetus> so at what point should i hit ctrl + alt + F2 to access the console?
[10:37] <somerville32> After the computer boots
[10:44] <BBQ_Fetus> i was plugging away at cntrl alt F2 during boot
[10:44] <nickdev> how do you ount a drive..mount cdrom?
[10:44] <BBQ_Fetus> but it made it to the desktop anyway
[10:45] <somerville32> Just press crtl + alt + F1 now
[10:50] <BBQ_Fetus> okay, im at the xubuntu login now
[10:52] <BBQ_Fetus> now what?
[10:56] <BBQ_Fetus>  hello guys?
[10:56] <hyper_ch> you are asekd for login name?
[10:57] <BBQ_Fetus> yes, what should i put?
[11:00] <BBQ_Fetus> it is not accepting the password i setup during install
[11:06] <BBQ_Fetus> is there a generic login i can use?
[11:08] <DarthLappy> BBQ_Fetus: There shouldn't really be any reason why the login and password you set up during install don't work.
[11:10] <BBQ_Fetus> thats what i figured, is there anyway to reset the username and password
[11:11] <DarthLappy> Unless you can get in to a VT to log into root, you'd have to use the recovery option, or whatever it is.
[11:11] <DarthLappy> I'm not terribly sure of the procedure, having never done it in Ubuntu.
[11:13] <BBQ_Fetus> how to i get to a vt?
[11:14] <DarthLappy> Ctrl-Alt-F1
[11:15] <BBQ_Fetus> yeah, thats what i did, thats what brought me to the login screen
[11:15] <DarthLappy> ...And you entered your username and password there?
[11:15] <BBQ_Fetus> yes
[11:16] <BBQ_Fetus> says xubuntu login:
[11:16] <BBQ_Fetus> looks like a dos prompt
[11:16] <DarthLappy> Ya.
[11:16] <BBQ_Fetus> and its not working
[11:16] <BBQ_Fetus> how can i log into root
[11:16] <DarthLappy> Eww, root.
[11:17] <DarthLappy> You have to enable root logins.
[11:18] <BBQ_Fetus> my original problem is with my display once it boots to the desktop
[11:18] <BBQ_Fetus> it its fuzzy, ghosted and repeated images,  the cursor shows up twice
[11:18] <DarthLappy> I'm no good at display problems.
[11:18] <BBQ_Fetus> so it is impossible to navigate the desktop
[11:19] <BBQ_Fetus> so im going on a tip, where i was directed to run a console
[11:19] <DarthLappy> Sensible tip.
[11:20] <BBQ_Fetus> and run
[11:20] <BBQ_Fetus> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[11:20] <BBQ_Fetus> but i cannot seem to get to the point to do that
[11:22] <DarthLappy> You might wanna try using you install CD to see if you can rescue your login :)
[11:22] <DarthLappy> your*
[11:23] <BBQ_Fetus> i have the alternate cd
[11:23] <BBQ_Fetus> will that work?
[11:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> At boot, at the grub menu, you can choose to boot in rescue mode, which takes you directly to a root console.
[11:24] <BBQ_Fetus> from the alternate cd?
[11:24] <BBQ_Fetus> or regular boot?
[11:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Regular boot.
[11:27] <BBQ_Fetus> okay, what is the grub menu, how do i access it?
[11:27] <BBQ_Fetus> is that the part when i hit esc quick
[11:27] <BBQ_Fetus> and it gives me 3 options
[11:28] <BBQ_Fetus> ?
[11:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yup.
[11:29] <BBQ_Fetus> okay, should i select ubuntu kernal 2.6.17.8 generic (recovery mode)
[11:29] <BBQ_Fetus> or whatever
[11:29] <BBQ_Fetus> ?
[11:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yup.
[11:31] <BBQ_Fetus> okay. thanks.  its doing its thing, ill tell you when it gets to login
[11:32] <BBQ_Fetus> okay im now at the root
[11:32] <BBQ_Fetus> what should my next step be?
[11:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Reconfigure X, using a lower res or color depth.
[11:33] <BBQ_Fetus> what command should i enter to do that?
[11:33] <maxamillion> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:35] <BBQ_Fetus> im at root@xubuntu:~#
[11:35] <BBQ_Fetus> is that where i should enter the command?
[11:35] <maxamillion> yeah ... since you are root just don't type "sudo"
[11:36] <maxamillion> sudo is a command that allows you "fake root" privilages to run a command that would other wise need the root user to run, but you are root ... so you don't need the command
[11:37] <BBQ_Fetus> ahh
[11:37] <BBQ_Fetus> thank you
[11:37] <BBQ_Fetus> okay im in
[11:37] <BBQ_Fetus> should i attemp an auto detect video settings first?
[11:38] <maxamillion> sure
[11:38] <maxamillion> i always let it auto detect first, because if it can detect it ... my work is easier :)
[11:42] <BBQ_Fetus> so what should i be specifically looking for during the setup
[11:42] <BBQ_Fetus> to get my display to work correctly on the desktop
[11:43] <maxamillion> i don't understand ...
[11:44] <BBQ_Fetus> the reason i am here is because i installed xubuntu
[11:44] <BBQ_Fetus> but after the splash screen when it gets to the desktop the display is awful
[11:45] <BBQ_Fetus> it is fuzzy, pushed to the right, ghosted, showing double cursors
[11:45] <maxamillion> BBQ_Fetus: ah, ok ... what graphics card do you have?
[11:45] <BBQ_Fetus> ati 3d rage IIc
[11:46] <maxamillion> just a moment
[11:47] <BBQ_Fetus> ok
[11:47] <esc> evening
[11:48] <DarthLappy> Morning.
[11:48] <BBQ_Fetus> the monitor i am using is a dell P1110, i had xp pro running on it before, and it displayed beautifully, but the os was incredibly slow
[11:48] <BBQ_Fetus> thus my move to xubuntu
[11:48] <maxamillion> :)
[11:51] <BBQ_Fetus> any ideas?
[11:52] <maxamillion> BBQ_Fetus: yeah, just had to find the site ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:52] <maxamillion> BBQ_Fetus: that _should_ help alot, most video problems like yours are result of the open source drivers not supporting some graphics card correctly
[11:53] <BBQ_Fetus> thank you
[11:54] <maxamillion> anytime :)
[11:54] <BBQ_Fetus> i am thinking it may have something to do with my monitor
[11:54] <maxamillion> that's possible too
[11:54] <BBQ_Fetus> i installed ubuntu on this same box about a year ago
[11:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Support shouldn't be an issue with that card.
[11:55] <BBQ_Fetus> at the time i had an older monitor, that no longer works
[11:55] <maxamillion> hrmm...
[11:55] <BBQ_Fetus> and ubuntu displayed fine
[11:55] <BBQ_Fetus> then i got this monitor
[11:56] <BBQ_Fetus> and it was giving me the same problems with the ubuntu install a year ago
[11:56] <maxamillion> oh ... then yeah, its the monitor
[11:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's probably just trying to use an unsupported color depth and/or resolution.
[11:57] <esc> either that or your hsync or vsync are out of range
[11:57] <esc> unlinkely but possible
[11:58] <maxamillion> also true
[11:58] <esc> BBQ_Fetus, the best thing is to examine the Xorg.0.log
[11:58] <esc> that how i usually end up fixing the never ending trail of broken xorg.confs
[11:59] <BBQ_Fetus> i am at configuring xserver-xorg
[11:59] <BBQ_Fetus> what resolutions should i select to use?
[11:59] <esc> that depends on what resolutions you would like to use for the display
[11:59] <esc> 15" usually go at 1024x768
[11:59] <maxamillion> BBQ_Fetus: the ones you know are supported by your monitor and xorg will always try to use the highest you select first
[12:00] <BBQ_Fetus> it is a dell P1110 monitor
[12:00] <esc> question: does ubuntu not support automagically detecting video modes via DRI?
[12:01] <BBQ_Fetus> its a 21 in monitor
[12:01] <esc> riight
[12:01] <esc> you can probabyl get som amazingly large modes with that :-)
[12:02] <esc> probabyl 1600 or larger :-)
[12:02] <maxamillion> esc: i don't know the answer to that question, but i _think_ it does
[12:03] <esc> exactly
[12:03] <esc> so during the onfigure process
[12:03] <BBQ_Fetus> http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=332101
[12:03] <BBQ_Fetus> that is the monitor
[12:03] <esc> with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:04] <BBQ_Fetus> it says its resolution is
[12:04] <esc> it should give you a list of modes that would like to use, and it "should" select all those your monitor is capable of
[12:04] <BBQ_Fetus> 1280 x 1024,
[12:04] <BBQ_Fetus> 1800 x 1440
[12:04] <BBQ_Fetus> but the xserver has more of them selected
[12:04] <esc> yeah so you can either just select everything below 1800 x1440 (!!!) for safety
[12:05] <esc> or just that highest one, and another default one, like 1024x768
[12:05] <esc> means less clutter in your xorg.conf, but thats just for perfectionist geeks :-)
[12:05] <BBQ_Fetus> it doesnt give me an option for 1800 x 1440 option
[12:06] <esc> oups...
[12:06] <zOap> how do I put a user path(bin) to be loaded at startup?
[12:06] <BBQ_Fetus> so i will choose 1280 x 1024 and lower
[12:06] <BBQ_Fetus> just make sure that is the highest selected correct?
[12:06] <esc> BBQ_Fetus, yes you can always manually reconfigure xorg.conf when you have the system up and running
[12:06] <BBQ_Fetus> ok, excellent, thanks
[12:07] <esc> i guess it also has something to do with your video card, and the modes that it supports (maybe_not_sure)
[12:07] <esc> zOap, what shell are you using bash?
[12:08] <zOap> esc, yeah, but this bin should also be available to xfce wm..
[12:08] <BBQ_Fetus> okay, i am at selecting monitor characteristics
[12:08] <BBQ_Fetus> would u recommend simple medium or advanced?
[12:09] <esc> zOap, um, not sure, you can try adding it to the bash
[12:09] <esc> not sure what your trying to do :-)
[12:09] <zOap> esc, adding it to bash?
[12:09] <esc> BBQ_Fetus, if your asking me use simple :-)
[12:09] <BBQ_Fetus> k
[12:10] <zOap> esc, I have a user bin dir /home/user/bin. I want that to be available both to bash and the other applications . like gmrun and so on.
[12:10] <esc> zOap, yes bash usues an environment variable called PATH to determine the executable oaths
[12:10] <zOap> esc, I know, but as it is now I have to  EXPORT PATH each time I log on..
[12:11] <esc> hmmm i am using zsh, but as far as i can remember bash uses a file called .bashrc
[12:11] <zOap> esc, so the question is, where do I put the EXPORT PATH string so that its loaded at startup?
[12:11] <esc> .bashrc
[12:11] <DarthLappy> Whoa, the bots are borking?
[12:11] <zOap> esc, yes, and that works for bash. but I also want it to be available for the other apps, like gmrun and so on...
[12:12] <BBQ_Fetus> okay, it wrote to the xorg.config, im back at the root
[12:12] <BBQ_Fetus> what is the command to reboot?
[12:12] <DarthLappy> reboot
[12:12] <BBQ_Fetus> and wish me luck guys
[12:12] <DarthLappy> :)
[12:12] <esc> sudo reboot
[12:12] <esc> :-)
[12:12] <BBQ_Fetus> here we do
[12:12] <esc> zOap, not sure what is gmrun?
[12:12] <zOap> esc, I know gnome have a .gnomerc file but I don't know what xfce has..
[12:12] <BBQ_Fetus> cross your fingers for a beautiful display once we reach the decktop
[12:13] <zOap> esc, gmrun is a run dialog..
[12:13] <esc> you could try man gmrun, and look there to find out how it loads paths
[12:14] <zOap> esc, but that would only apply to gmrun. I want it to be available to all of the xfce desktop
[12:15] <esc> try looking in .config/
[12:15] <zOap> esc, ok, thanks
[12:15] <esc> it has some stuff related to xfce4 there
[12:15] <esc> i mus admit i'm still on breezy for this machine, and i basically just use zsh for all my stuff
[12:16] <BBQ_Fetus> welp, it looks a little bit better
[12:16] <esc> i guess because PATH is an environment variable it "might" apply to xfce too
[12:16] <BBQ_Fetus> it is somewhat readable and possibly navigatable
[12:16] <esc> not just too bash
[12:16] <BBQ_Fetus> but stilla a mess
[12:16] <esc> but also zsh
[12:17] <esc> BBQ_Fetus, got a screenshot?
[12:17] <esc> whats wrong with it, too large , too small?
[12:17] <esc> you can use the command "xrandr" from the command line to show available video modes btw ..
[12:18] <esc> zOap, any luck yet?
[12:18] <zOap> esc, nope. no path file .rc there...
[12:19] <BBQ_Fetus> my user name and password is not working to login to the desktop
[12:19] <BBQ_Fetus> is there a way to recover it?
[12:20] <slow-motion> n8
[12:21] <esc> BBQ_Fetus, never happend to me before, your saying the password you eneterd and username, during installation, now don't work?
[12:22] <BBQ_Fetus> yes
[12:23] <BBQ_Fetus> an im pretty sure i am entering it correct
[12:24] <esc> well, it did ask you twice
[12:24] <ormiret> BBQ_Fetus: if you reboot to recovery mode you can use the passwd command to reset the user password
[12:25] <BBQ_Fetus> can i reset the username too?
[12:25] <ormiret> yes, but that is trickier
[12:25] <esc> ormiret, do you know if the PATH env variable is also used by xfce to find applications?
[12:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> zOap: You can extend the default $PATH in ~/.bash_profile
[12:25] <BBQ_Fetus> should i just do a complete reinstall?
[12:26] <BBQ_Fetus> maybe burn a desktop cd, and see if i can get it to display correctly with a live CD?
[12:26] <zOap> PuMpErNiCkLe, I know. What I want is to extend the path for xfce... so that the run dialog can recognice my user commands..
[12:26] <zOap> PuMpErNiCkLe, like .gnomerc but for xfce...