[01:22] <ryanakca> meeting is tommorow?
[01:37] <ryanakca> or wait, nevermind...
[02:08] <manchicken> Anybody know how to build from bzr?
[02:09] <Riddell> manchicken: debuild, same as anything else
[02:09] <Riddell> but it's python, you shouldn't need to build anything
[02:31] <manchicken> Oh, yay, this thing is done in Glade...
[02:31] <manchicken> Isn't there a glade-to-qt conversion proggy?
[02:34] <praetor> manchicken: ooh you are working on porting the ubuntu upgrader?
[02:35] <manchicken> Yeah.
[02:36] <praetor> neato
[02:36] <manchicken> I hear you're up into that/
[02:38] <praetor> Riddell: should the status of kubuntu-update-manager be changed in feisty specs?
[02:38] <praetor> Riddell: btw, I pushed my own branch with some minor changes, just to remove some of the generated files that were in there
[02:38] <praetor> manchicken: yea, I did the adept side of things
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Does amarok follow !hidden ?
[02:54] <manchicken> Oh wow, software-properties is VERY tied to glade/gtk.
[02:54] <manchicken> heh
[04:00] <manchicken> Okay, anybody know what is wrong with the Python line QMessageBox.critical(None,"Error","BLAH!!!")?
[05:38] <manchicken> w00t.
[05:38] <manchicken> Let this Qt port begin!
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[05:42] <manchicken> I hope the Python coverage of Qt is better than the Perl coverage of Qt.
[05:44] <manchicken> w00t, Jucato!
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[05:45] <Jucato> hi manchicken!!!
[05:45] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech!
[05:51] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?
[05:52] <manchicken> This Qt port is more of a rewrite than a port.  heh
[05:55] <manchicken> I'm working on this software-properties proggy.
[05:55] <Jucato> oh the one for Adept?
[05:55] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:55] <Jucato> manchicken: have you gotten in contact with mornfall?
[05:55] <manchicken> Naw.
[05:55] <Jucato> oh... ok :)
[05:56] <Jucato> I think he uploaded some stuff to KDE SVN a few days/weeks ago... not really sure exactly when
[05:57] <manchicken> Riddell said he wanted to use the software-properties proggie in update-manager for the sources editor.
[05:58] <manchicken> It's written in Python with GTK/Glade.
[05:58] <manchicken> So naturally we want to port it to Qt.
[05:58] <Jucato> oh. I thought that it was a pure GTK+ app.
[05:59] <Jucato> good luck then :)
[05:59] <manchicken> Naw.  The whole thing is PyGTK
[05:59] <manchicken> Especially since I'm not used to Python ^_^
[06:00] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:00] <manchicken> So, I'll talk to you later.
[06:00] <manchicken> I'm gonna hit the hay.
[06:01] <Jucato> good night! and good luck again! :)
[06:03] <manchicken> heh
[06:03] <manchicken> You could try to help ;)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> hiya
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hey all
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ;)
[07:24] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[07:25] <Hobbsee> awww, why now?
[07:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: slept at 3am, woke up at 7am... haven't had any snooze since then... :(
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ouch.
[07:26] <Jucato> ooh... what time you woke up?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> um....11 or so?
[07:27] <Jucato> heh :P
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hehe, bye!
[07:30] <Hobbsee> and lure..
[07:31] <Hobbsee> !irc logs is <alias> logs
[07:31] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[07:31] <Hobbsee> !irclogs is <alias> logs
[07:32] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[07:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: poke
[07:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: will you be at the meeting?  see /topic for info
[07:46] <Hobbsee|NotHere> Hawkwind: see /topic
[07:46] <Hawkwind> I know, I've seen it :-)
[07:46] <Hobbsee|NotHere> :)
[07:47] <Hobbsee|NotHere> oh drat, i just used /clear -a, not /clear
[07:47] <Hawkwind> Doubt I'll be there though
[07:47] <Hobbsee|NotHere> awww
[07:47] <Hobbsee> raw?
[07:47] <nixternal> heck no :)
[07:47] <Hawkwind> Yummmmmmmmmmmm
[07:47] <Hawkwind> Snow crab ?
[07:47] <nixternal> i smoked some tonight
[07:48] <nixternal> snow crab and blue crab
[07:48] <Hawkwind> OMG, yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:48] <nixternal> blue crabs just arrived today from maryland, the snow crabs were alive and rockin' 2 days after they were caught :)
[07:48] <Hawkwind> Nice
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Good night :)
[07:51] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Sleep well
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Too late for that
[07:51] <DaSkreech> I'll be glad to sleep at all
[07:52] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, this meeting seems to be Monday at about 4pm GMT-6 if my calculations are correct
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Thanks for the sentment though
[07:52] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Heh no problem
[07:53] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: timeanddate.com
[07:53] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: use the fixed time
[07:53] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: where are you again?
[07:53] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Houston, Texas GMT -6
[07:53] <nixternal> bah houston
[07:54] <Hawkwind> Bahhhh @ Chicago
[07:54] <nixternal> hehe
[07:54] <nixternal> you got that right
[07:54] <nixternal> as soon as school is over i am moving to mexico
[07:54] <nixternal> im going try and reverse the situation
[07:55] <Hawkwind> I'm probably headed to Georgia(Atlanta) here in a month or so if things go as they seem they will
[07:56] <nixternal> woo
[07:56] <nixternal> i love hotlanta, especially the north east portion
[07:56] <nixternal> around stone mountain
[07:56] <Hawkwind> I'll probably live outside of Atlanta at first.  Probably in/around Rome
[07:56] <Hawkwind> I'm probably flying there this week for a job interview at Wheeler's Lumber
[07:56] <Hobbsee> gah, what was i going to do?
[07:56] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Make us all dinner ?
[07:57] <nixternal> uh oh
[07:57] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: nope.  i cant cook very well :P
[07:57] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if it wasn't for the bbq or the microwave i wouldn't either
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:57] <nixternal> and i took 2 cooking classes in college thinking they would be easy A's
[07:57] <nixternal> boy was I wrong
[07:57] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I consider pouring milk over my bowl of cereal *cooking*
[07:57] <Hawkwind> Hah
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:58] <nixternal> man, my new lappy has 1 dead pixel, right in the kicker bar too
[07:58] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, purge msttcorefonts, that's right..
[11:49] <mhb> hi all
[11:51] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[11:51] <mhb> Hobbsee: I am using polyester
[11:52] <mhb> Hobbsee: when having the font problem
[11:52] <mhb> Hobbsee: but it would be weird to blame it because I used it even before that
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: right
[11:53] <mhb> Hobbsee: nope, changing the widget style didn't work
[11:54] <Hobbsee> mhb: right, good :P
[11:54] <Hobbsee> then it's not my fault :P
[11:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: by the way, do you have suggestions for the Testing Team?
[11:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'm really looking forward to the meeting :o)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: me too :)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: as in, what to test, or how to run it?
[11:59] <mhb> luc___: hi
[12:00] <mhb> Hobbsee: as in how to convince people to start testing Feisty etc
[12:01] <mhb> Hobbsee: most of the folks who helped with Edgy were reluctant to start with Feisty right away
[12:01] <Hobbsee> mhb: when it's hit feature freeze - there appear to still be heaps of problems booting yet.  that being said, perhaps figuring out what to test, and how to collate their results
[12:01] <Hobbsee> sensible people.
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes
[12:03] <mhb> Hobbsee: but there's the "loss of momentum" problem - when they don't know what to do for a longer period of time, they move on
[12:03] <Hobbsee> mhb: that's...true...
[12:03] <Hobbsee> mhb: cant really help much with that, except for merges
[12:03] <Hobbsee> which isnt in the target
[12:05] <mhb> Hobbsee: maybe someone will come up with an idea at the meeting
[12:07] <Hobbsee> mhb: maybe market it as "we need people who test for a few months, then have a few months of break" etc - make it more as a casual thing, not a continous thing - you might get more people that way, if it's only a small commitment, too
[12:07] <Hobbsee> mhb: if you havent already, why dont you check out the mozilla smoke test stuff, and adapt it for kubuntu.
[12:10] <mhb> Hobbsee: you mean the minimal set of testcases?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: well, all of it really - i've never looked into it very thoroughly
[12:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: but yeah
[12:10] <Hobbsee> well, have minimal ones, then have big nitpicky ones
[12:10] <Hobbsee> include the cd testing in it
[12:11] <Hobbsee> of course, you're never going to get the large number of testers that mozilla gets, with teh daily builds and all that, but it might be a good start, might be helpful
[12:35] <mhb> would it be possible for a python script to add dynamically to the wiki?
[12:36] <mhb> or for any client-side script
[12:37] <mhb> thing is, editing wiki takes more time than just submitting results because you have to edit the page itself and add your input (where it belongs)
[12:38] <mhb> (the testers have to submit their testing results to the wiki)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> true...
[12:39] <Hobbsee> presumably a wiki is the best place for that
[12:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's a good place, but a hard-to-edit good place
[12:39] <Hobbsee> true
[12:39] <Jucato> not so hard if you don't include formatting :P
[12:40] <mhb> Jucato: but it's harder than just filling a form
[12:40] <Jucato> oh yeah, compared to that, definitely harder :)
[12:40] <mhb> so I'm asking if there's a chance of making a frontend to that
[12:41] <Hobbsee> mhb: dunno.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> mhb: there's probably somethign
[12:42] <mhb> I'm not sure though
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hrm.  gnome doenst suck as much as it used to
[12:44] <mhb> Hobbsee: <personalopinion>But some GNOME apps still do.</personalopinion>
[12:44] <Jucato> :D
[12:45] <Jucato> have fun!
[01:01] <Hobbsee> mhb: oh it still sucks a lot, dont get me wrong...
[01:01] <Jucato> at least it's growing... nothing bad about it growing.. :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:03] <Hobbsee> well, i'm only anti gnome when i use it
[01:03] <Hobbsee> and i look for the run command, and it's not there
[01:04] <Jucato> Alt+F2?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> and the themes crash 9x / 10
[01:04] <Hobbsee> doesnt bring anything up
[01:04] <Hobbsee> i know it used to exist
[01:04] <Hobbsee> and i cant find what i'm looking for in the menus, as i'ts all moved, and it's often big blocks of apps
[01:05] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[01:05] <Hobbsee> so you have to scroll thru all of them
[01:05] <Hobbsee> that being said...the update manager *is* nice
[01:06] <Enola_Gay> Is a graphical PPPOE client planned for Feisty? It would help dsl users very much and e.g. Knoppix already have such tool.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: unless it's becomming a part of knetworkmanager from suse, or someone steps in to code it, no.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> is there already a spec for it?
[01:07] <Jucato> Knoppix's tool, iirc, is just ppoeconf using something like kdialog...
[01:08] <Hobbsee> does kppp count, btw?
[01:08] <Enola_Gay> Hobbsee: It is just that the console tool pppoe-conf isn't so easy to find
[01:08] <Jucato> no
[01:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:08] <Jucato> kppp doesn't do PPPoE
[01:08] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:08] <Enola_Gay> Hobbsee: kppp seems to be only for Dial up
[01:08] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: true that
[01:08] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: :)
[01:09] <Enola_Gay> And I think that the pppoe gui from knoppix isn't huge but I am going to check it.
[01:10] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: unless KNOPPIX 5 has completely changed it, I'm pretty sure that it's pppoeconf
[01:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the simplest solution, if we couldn't even find a good GUI for this, is to at least make a K Menu entry that will launch pppoeconf in Konsole... :(
[01:10] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: But pppoeconf is the console based tool?
[01:11] <Enola_Gay> I have tested it with Knoppix 4.
[01:11] <Enola_Gay> Since 5 has some huge boot problems on my laptop.
[01:11] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: yes. but somehow, KNOPPIX runs it with a GUI... I forgot what tool/program allows that.
[01:11] <Enola_Gay> I burn and check it.
[01:13] <Enola_Gay> Is ntfs-3g integration planned for Feisty?
[01:14] <mhb> Enola_Gay: well, you have ntfs-3g present in Edgy repos, don't you?
[01:14] <mhb> Enola_Gay: just universe or something ... it's not rock solid to be in main
[01:15] <Jucato> ah I think KNOPPIX uses something like Zenity for pppeoconf... but looking in the K Menu, it's not so evident, so I don't know what voodoo they do to make it like that
[01:15] <Enola_Gay> mhb: ok, thanks
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: no, it's not going to be by default
[01:16] <Enola_Gay> It is just that it makes the interoperability with Windows much more better since the "exchange partition" doesn't need to be fat32 anymore.
[01:17] <Enola_Gay> But stability is important of course.
[01:18] <Jucato> but unlike KNOPPIX, Kubuntu doesn't absolutely need it imho. and yes, stability is very important
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: user data is rather important, true
[01:21] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: Since installation of a localized kubuntu still needs internet even with a dvd it makes sense imho. But locales could be reinstalled very easy through the language manager since dapper afaik.
[01:21] <mhb> Hobbsee: I changed the structure of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Current ... not everything is there yet but I think it's more user friendly now ... please do comment :o)
[01:22] <Enola_Gay> And one of the greatest part of K/Ubuntu since dapper is the installer on the live cd so you could surf and do many things while installing :)
[01:22] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: I'm not sure I understand what that has to do with ntfs-3g, which I was referring to
[01:22] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: Sorry, I thought it was according to gui for pppoe
[01:22] <Lathiat> Enola_Gay: the solaris installer starts a web browser for you :)
[01:23] <Enola_Gay> Lathiat: :)
[01:23] <Enola_Gay> Lathiat: But they have no messenger ;)
[01:23] <Lathiat> true dat
[01:23] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: heh, I was replying to the statements immediately above :)
[01:24] <Enola_Gay> :)
[01:24] <mhb> Enola_Gay: by the way, any LoCo community can make modified CDs with their locales in ... the only thing is to mark it not as a official Kubuntu CD
[01:25] <Enola_Gay> mhb: Thats true, kubuntu.de seems to have some own reps and so own. But the official is missing for me ;)
[01:25] <Enola_Gay> Ok, checking knoppix. Cu all.
[01:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: looks promising
[01:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: it would be great if pros like you inserted their results too
[01:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: after it's done
[01:38] <Hobbsee> mhb: their results, ie, of their testing?
[01:38] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes ... I guess you do testing by using, don't you? That's what I meant.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> true
[01:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: developers shouldn't bother with it too much but if they find the time the data will be useful
[01:40] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed.
[01:54] <Enola_Gay> re
[01:54] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: I have found the vodoo. ;) The vodoo ist called xdialog.
[01:55] <Jucato> oh :)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hooray!
[01:55] <Enola_Gay> And it works in Kubuntu too if I install xdialog.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> and?
[01:55] <Jucato> I was that close :)
[01:55] <Jucato> see? nothing really special :P
[01:55] <mhb> !info xdialog
[01:55] <ubotu> xdialog: X11 replacement for the text util dialog. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.1-1 (edgy), package size 345 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ah ha....
[01:55] <Enola_Gay> But it needs libgtk 1.2
[01:55] <Jucato> let me try...
[01:55] <Hobbsee> we install that anyway, iirc
[01:55] <Jucato> aw...
[01:55] <Jucato> we do?
[01:56] <fdoving> isn't kdialog cooler? :)
[01:56] <Enola_Gay> On my Kubuntu edgy system it has to install libgtk1.2 and libgtk1.2-common
[01:56] <Enola_Gay> fdoving: Does it work too?
[01:57] <Jucato> yeah, kdialog is cooler, *if* it can do that...
[01:57] <fdoving> Enola_Gay: i don't know what you want to do..
[01:57] <mhb> !info kdialog
[01:57] <ubotu> Package kdialog does not exist in any distro I know
[01:57] <Hobbsee> kdialog is part of kde
[01:57] <Jucato> kdialog is part of kdebase
[01:57] <mhb> right
[01:57] <fdoving> it's in kdebase-bin.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:58] <Enola_Gay> It would be much greater if "kdialog" would work with pppoeconf but it seems to doesn't work out of the box.
[01:58] <mhb> in other news, Enola_Gay just got work to do
[01:58] <Hobbsee> heh, yes
[01:58] <Jucato> yeah, kdialog is closer to zenity than it is with xdialog... and neither kdialog nor zenity can do it...
[01:58] <fdoving> what is 'it' ?
[01:59] <Jucato> pppoeconf
[01:59] <Hobbsee> in Jucato's statement?  kdialog
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:59] <Enola_Gay> At least a simple menu entry would do it for pppoeconf since it isn't hard to manage.
[02:00] <fdoving> Jucato: xdialog is hardcoded into pppoeconf.
[02:00] <Jucato> fdoving: um... KNOPPIX uses xdialog to give a real GUI to pppoeconf, which has an entry in K Menu
[02:01] <Jucato> I don't have xdialog installed, and I can still have the pppoeconf ncurses gui
[02:01] <fdoving> i mean, the usage of xdialog vs. zenity/kdialog is hardcoded into pppoeconf.
[02:02] <fdoving> just installing xdialog and running pppoeconf will give you the gui.
[02:02] <Jucato> aaah
[02:03] <mhb> fdoving: so the plan is to hardcode kdialog in?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hey cool, the uni server hasnt crashed yet...
[02:03] <fdoving> mhb: that can be done.. rather easily.
[02:03] <Jucato> yay fdoving will do it! :)
[02:04] <mhb> or Enola_Gay , if it's easy - after all, he wants to have that :o)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> argh.  spoke too soon
[02:05] <fdoving> i don't belive this is something we want to have in the package.. is it?
[02:05] <fdoving> does gnome-ubuntu use pppoeconf too?
[02:06] <Jucato> not that I know of...
[02:06] <Jucato> anyway, if no one wants to do that, a simple entry in K Menu to launch konsole with pppoeconf would do...
[02:06] <Jucato> which is how MEPIS does it, afaik
[02:07] <Hobbsee> no real harm in doing that
[02:09] <fdoving> but having kdialog is cooler.
[02:10] <Jucato> yeah, having someone who'll do it is even kooler :P
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:10] <Hobbsee> thought that was my line :P
[02:10] <Jucato> :P
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <Hobbsee> come on...be a good server...dont crash...
[02:16] <freeflying> http://paste.debian.net/19644 kchmviewer keeps crash
[02:17] <mhb> freeflying: version?
[02:18] <mhb> freeflying: Feisty current?
[02:18] <freeflying> mhb: from dapper to current
[02:18] <freeflying> mhb: only on ppc
[02:18] <freeflying> it works fine on debian sid
[02:18] <mhb> freeflying: hm ... nothing I can do :o)
[02:19] <mhb> freeflying: i386 works fine
[02:19] <mhb> like you said
[02:20] <Hobbsee> now, where'd i put my long pointy stick...?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh argh.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> it's managing to freeze firefox, even
[02:22] <Jucato> what is?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> i think i clicked on a .pdf
[02:22] <Hobbsee> and it's killing firefox
[02:23] <Jucato> oh...
[02:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:24] <Hobbsee> i'm not doing it in konq!
[02:24] <Jucato> do it in KPDF
[02:24] <Jucato> drat she left...
[02:25] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209
[02:26] <Hobbsee> ty
[02:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: everything up to date?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:27] <Riddell> mhb: have you tried recent daily CDs?
[02:28] <mhb> Riddell: nope, but will do
[02:30] <Riddell> they didn't work earlier this week when I tried, just wondering if it had been fixed
[02:31] <fdoving> i tried the alternate ppc cd.. the 4th. didn't work.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> you know...it's amazing what you find out when you actually read the documentation...
[02:34] <Hobbsee> i cant find a link, as i'm not permitted to put that section in yet.  yay
[02:37] <freeflying> fdoving: alternate-cd for ppc?
[02:42] <mhb> can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/feisty-desktop-i386.iso <-- I issue this command and it only "sent 132 bytes  received 82 bytes  428.00 bytes/sec"
[02:43] <fdoving> freeflying: the ubuntu one.. yes.
[02:44] <fdoving> seems to be no ppc alternate for kubuntu.
[02:45] <mhb> oh, missing "./"
[03:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: meeting will be Tuesday morning for us right?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[03:05] <Jucato> kthanks :)
[03:26] <Jucato> moin ryanakca!
[03:26] <ryanakca> hey Jucato
[03:26] <ryanakca> ewwww.... coffee
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's probably killed coffee, if i made it
[03:26] <ryanakca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh
[03:26] <ryanakca> lol
[03:26] <Jucato> hehe
[03:26] <ryanakca> brb, dishes
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i still want a recording of you with those bagpipes :P
[03:29] <fdoving> Jucato: i agree with you on the whiptail interface for pppoeconf, kdialog hacking is too much work.. i'm almost there, but it needs an if-then-else statement for each dialog popup, and it's too much work.
[03:29] <fdoving> it's not like pppoe is something one sets up every day.
[03:30] <Jucato> yeah, but it's kinda tedious to set it up for the first time when you don't know the command
[03:30] <fdoving> true.
[03:31] <fdoving> i think your idea with the kmenu -> system -> pppoeconf menu entry is good.
[03:31] <fdoving> 'konsole -e pppoeconf' or something like that.
[03:31] <Jucato> the Kubuntu Desktop Guide links to a wiki regarding how to setup PPPoE ADSL... but how would you be able to view the wiki if you're internet connection isn't setup :)
[03:31] <fdoving> true :)
[03:32] <fdoving> the menu entry should be simple to add to k-d-s.
[03:32] <Jucato> yeah, unless we get a GUI app for configuring it into Feisty (knetworkmanager?) I guess that would have to do...
[03:32] <fdoving> i don't belive knetworkmanager handles anything well at this moment.
[03:32] <Jucato> better than nothing :)
[03:32] <fdoving> doesn't work for me.
[03:32] <fdoving> .. or, it handles the wired connection pretty well :)
[03:33] <Jucato> I forgot where I heard that knetworkmanager will be able to handle it soon... I'm not sure where I got that from, though
[03:33] <fdoving> for suse it handles ppp and vpn and all.
[03:34] <fdoving> it just doesn't support debian based distros yet.. afaik.
[03:34] <Jucato> ppp or pppoe?
[03:34] <fdoving> not much activity in ther svn either.
[03:34] <fdoving> not sure about pppoe.
[03:34] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'll get that for you :P
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: woot :D
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: meeting should be interesting, with the stuff on your wiki page
[03:35] <ryanakca> eeeps!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> nah
[03:35] <Hobbsee> kubuntu type questions
[03:35] <ryanakca> sucks
[03:35] <ryanakca> shucks
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:36] <nixternal> Riddell: rockin! on putting info on the Herd2 page
[03:37] <ryanakca> lol
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure - but we might make you play it :D
[03:37] <Jucato> Hobbsee: heh I don't even have one yet :P
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:37] <Jucato> it's a long overdue christmas gift..
[03:37] <Jucato> nixternal: moin! :D
[03:37] <nixternal> moin mon mn m
[03:37] <Hobbsee> morning nixternal!
[03:38] <nixternal> hehe
[03:38] <nixternal> im awake, for over an hour now
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hooray!
[03:38] <nixternal> just been working on some herd2 stuff
[03:39] <nixternal> my dog took it upon himself to nibble my ear at 6:50am
[03:39] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:39] <Jucato> heh.. how cute
[03:39] <nixternal> oh ya very cute ;p
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i take it you threw him outside after this
[03:41] <nixternal> nah, he is to small and mean to throw just yet
[03:41] <nixternal> although he is perfect throwing size
[03:41] <ryanakca> nixternal: she's been forcefeeding people for a while now...
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:42] <nixternal> no more slime forcefeeding for me, i did it for 8 years in the military every morning
[03:42] <Hobbsee> eww!
[03:42] <nixternal> actually, my oatmeal does kind of resemble slime
[03:43] <ryanakca> lol
[03:43] <nixternal> the eww goes away when you realise you are travelling around the world and getting paid to do so :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:46] <nixternal> i have been quite ill all week
[03:46] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:47] <Hobbsee> was weird - i didnt get told off at all for being late to work, due to the color of my face :P
[03:47] <zig> hi, I cannot find the ffmpeg header files, is there an ffmpeg-dev somewhere ?
[03:47] <zig> is that in a separate repository ?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !-logs
[03:48] <ubotu> logs aliases: channel logs, channellogs, log, irc logs, irclogs - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 16:50:13
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !-log
[03:49] <ubotu> log is <alias> logs - added by Hobbsee on 2006-06-21 15:00:15
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !meeting is <alias> logs
[03:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !ircmeeting is <alias> logs
[03:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !ircmeetings is <alias> logs
[03:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !meetings is <alias> logs
[03:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:50] <Seveas> !hobbsee is <alias> crazy
[03:51] <Hobbsee> zig: try apt-get search ffmpeg | grep dev
[03:51] <nixternal> http://www.nextdaypets.com/ListingImages/78482210-84611.jpg
[03:52] <nixternal> that poor dog looks like a christmas ornament
[03:52] <zig> Hobbsee: thanks, it tells me the operation "search" isn't available :/
[03:52] <zig> Invalid operation search
[03:52] <Hobbsee> zig: apt-cache search, sorry
[03:53] <zig> ah thanks
[03:53] <zig> ok, it's libavcodec-dev
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hrm, cool.  the gnome shared folders appears to prompt you to install the required packages
[04:00] <ryanakca> Seveas: lol
[04:13] <mhb> goodnight
[04:13] <Jucato> night Hobbsee!!
[04:13] <Hobbsee> night!
[04:25] <Lure> sebas: around?
[04:32] <zig> I'm looking for the source package for vlc, but I can't find it, is that in a particular repository ? I have the deb-src repository alright and yet ...
[04:37] <Riddell> zig: you need to have a deb-src line for universe, then apt-get update; apt-get source vlc
[04:38] <zig> Riddell: ah you mean it's not a separate package but rather a different apt-get option ? ok that explains then, thanks
[04:40] <Riddell> debian doesn't have source packages in the same way as RPM does, it just has the upstream original and a diff
[04:40] <zig> ok thanks
[04:43] <Tonio__> hi
[04:43] <Tonio__> Riddell: ping ?
[04:43] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'm back in the work !
[04:43] <Lure> Tonio__: hi!!!
[04:43] <Tonio__> Riddell: I noticed all the fonts are crappy now due to a bug in the Sans Serif font
[04:43] <Riddell> bonjour Tonio__ mon amis
[04:43] <Tonio__> Lure: bonjour Lure, Riddell
[04:43] <Riddell> mhb has been complaining of this
[04:43] <Tonio__> Lure: things are getting better
[04:43] <Lure> Tonio__: true that - bug is open to fontconfig
[04:44] <Riddell> my apt segfaults whenever I try it so I'm not affected :)
[04:44] <Tonio__> Riddell: concerning the fonts, we in any case can switch the default to deja vu, since it is the same than sans serif but doesn't bug there
[04:44] <Tonio__> Riddell: hum I have a solution for this
[04:44] <Lure> Tonio__: bug 78209
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209
[04:45] <Tonio__> Riddell: did you try to completly delete the apt cache ?
[04:45] <Tonio__> Lure: okay let's follow this
[04:45] <Tonio__> Lure, Riddell: happy new year ;)
[04:45] <Tonio__> Riddell: we'll make a point on what to do tomorrow
[04:45] <Tonio__> I had hard time last month and had to take a break, sorry for leaving everyone here
[04:45] <Lure> Tonio__: happy new year back (even though it did not start that well for you)
[04:46] <Tonio__> my todo list is really hudge now
[04:46] <Tonio__> Lure: well she's affraid, and has a big problem with her parents...
[04:46] <mhb> hey Tonio__
[04:46] <Tonio__> probably a bit immature too, but I think she is now ready to take the good decisions
[04:46] <Tonio__> and bury her asshole mother hehe :)
[04:46] <Lure> Tonio__: I will prepare new kde-guidance update and pass it to you for review (and hope to fix icons once and forever)
[04:47] <Tonio__> Lure: did you get my changes ?
[04:47] <Tonio__> it works
[04:47] <Lure> Tonio__: yes, but you broke CPU icon ;-)
[04:47] <Tonio__> hum that's possible indeed
[04:47] <Riddell> the debian team had an issue with guidance's user module
[04:47] <Lure> Tonio__: will fix it in svn first, then clean up the package stuff
[04:47] <Tonio__> Lure: I removed it right ?
[04:48] <Lure> Tonio__: right - was not in the binary package
[04:48] <Tonio__> Lure: okay let me know
[04:48] <Lure> Riddell: did you check http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kdebase16.debdiff ? can Tonio__ upload if you have issue with your system?
[04:49] <Tonio__> Riddell: concerning kickoff, I tried it widely with non linux users and it looks like the usability disturbs people a lot
[04:49] <Tonio__> Riddell: and since the packaging is a hudge mess, I'll probably discard it, I prefer to clean kubuntu as much as I can, since feisty will be the latest kde3 based one
[04:49] <Tonio__> sort of lts in my opinion :)
[04:50] <Tonio__> I noticed a few problems with systemsettings, gtk-qt etc.... I'll upload fixes tomorrow
[04:50] <Lure> Riddell: btw, when is Herd2 planned?
[04:50] <Riddell> http://alioth.debian.org/~modax-guest/13_preserve_perms_for_passwd_group_shadow.diff  current patch from debian for guidance user module
[04:51] <ryanakca> nixternal: ping... I have a recording for you :D
[04:51] <Tonio__> okay I have to go, I'll be back tomorrow , end of the vacation for me, seya !
[04:52] <ryanakca> see yah Tonio__, take care :)
[04:52] <nixternal> ryanakca: pong lemme hear :)
[04:52] <Tonio__> ryanakca: thanks
[04:52] <Riddell> Lure: not heard of a planned date
[04:52] <Lure> Riddell: is there debian bug id with background info?
[04:53] <Jucato> wb Tonio__! :)
[04:53] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/Creatively_Blocked-rec1.ogg
[04:53] <Tonio__> Jucato: hehe, thanks ;)
[04:54] <Tonio__> seya all tomorrow !
[04:54] <Riddell> Lure: kdebase patch looks good, I'll upload
[04:54] <ryanakca> nixternal: not the greatest quality sound... and I'm outof shape, but it's better than nothing :)
[04:54] <nixternal> rock on!
[04:54] <nixternal> i like it
[04:54] <mhb> well there's a date in FeistyReleaseSchedule
[04:54] <mhb> for Herd 2
[04:54] <nixternal> the 11th
[04:55] <nixternal> ryanakca: that was awesome!
[04:55] <Jucato> ryanakca: koolness! I always had a thing for bagpipes (even if I will never play one :P )
[04:56] <nixternal> Jucato: i am the same way. i bought a bunch of celtic cds that are bagpiped to all hell. i love them, people look at me like im nuts
[04:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:57] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[04:57] <nixternal> people drive around thumping their rap music, me, i drive around blasting bagpipes and rock :)
[04:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: Jucato: thanks :)
[04:57] <Lure> Riddell: I will commit my kenergy patch to kde svn (3 and 4) now - with CC to helio
[04:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: I have a couple CDs you might like then :)
[04:57] <nixternal> i am having a case of severe moinmoin e.tardation right now with linking images
[04:57] <Jucato> hahah! I'll drive my neighbor nuts when I get my violin (hopefully next week), just as he drove me nuts with his heavy metal music
[04:57] <ryanakca> lol
[04:58] <ryanakca> my cousin is learning the violin... and for some reason he got an electric violin... odd
[04:59] <ryanakca> Jucato: You learning violin as the violin or the fiddle?
[04:59] <nixternal> us hillbillies call that a fiddle :)
[04:59] <Jucato> ryanakca: violin
[05:00] <ryanakca> Jucato: nice
[05:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol
[05:00] <Jucato> well, that all depends whether my sister can find an affordable one for sale :P
[05:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: Leahy is a good fiddle group...
[05:01] <ryanakca> Jucato: lol, well, I'm sure your sister can find something...
[05:02] <ryanakca> Jucato: if not, I still have my sisters toy violin with plastic strings... :)
[05:02] <Jucato> hope so... it's 3 weeks overdue now... I even had to give her some cash to be able to buy one... considering that it's supposed to be her christmas gift to me, that's quite...
[05:02] <Jucato> heh
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: isn't BUG keyword in commit supposed to close the bug?
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: I only got CCBUG working from kde4 commit for kde bug 128696
[05:16] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128696 in kcmenergy "Monitor Power Saving Settings Reverting" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128696
[05:17] <Riddell> Lure: yes, BUG shoud close
[05:17] <Riddell> CCBUG just adds it as a comment
[05:18] <Lure> Riddell: it did not for me: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kcontrol/energy/energy.cpp?rev=620863&view=log
[05:18] <Lure> Riddell: maybe only one keyword is allowed?
[05:19] <Riddell> two keywords should be fine, curious
[05:20] <Riddell> Lure: oh, maybe it's because you don't have close permissions on bugzilla that it turns it into a CCBUG not a BUG
[05:20] <Riddell> Lure: ask sysadmin for bug edit permissions I guess
[05:20] <Riddell> Lure: I'll close it now
[05:20] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[05:21] <Lure> Riddell: sysadmin is dfaure (who did svn account for me)?
[05:21] <Riddell> sysadmin@kde.org
[05:21] <Riddell> it's just whoever answers first
[05:23] <ryanakca> is anybody going to merge keep? or can I give it a try?
[05:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's the status?  new version in debian?
[05:25] <ryanakca> yes... I'm reading the message/question on the mailing list...
[05:27] <ryanakca> "Since 0.4.0 is already in debian, it is just a question of somebodty doing the merge. You can see it on the following list of merges to be performed: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html"
[05:30] <mhb> kicker keeps crashing for me
[05:30] <mhb> and firefox does too
[05:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: it has already been merged during the feisty schedule, so it's low priority (if we kept merging everything from debian we'd never get anything done), but go ahead if you want to
[05:30] <mhb> time to file more bugs
[05:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah, so the feisty version is 0.4.0?
[05:38] <ryanakca> I'll give it a try
[05:41] <nixternal> Riddell: quick reasoning behind Kexi instead of Base (for Herd2 page)
[05:42] <Riddell> nixternal: see KOfficeByDefault spec
[05:43] <Riddell> kexi is usable, oo base never seems to be
[05:43] <nixternal> cool, thanks
[05:43] <Riddell> and we've been shipping kexi by default in the WinFOSS for ages anyway :)
[05:43] <nixternal> i thought so
[05:43] <Riddell> nixternal: for the adept dist upgrade stuff please make it clear it's work in progress, it currently crashes if you click Next
[05:44] <nixternal> will do
[05:45] <Riddell> nixternal: what's the state of the adept documentation?  should we look at committing it into KDE SVN?
[05:46] <nixternal> jjesse is working on that as we speak
[05:46] <nixternal> i have been working with him to get teh KDE styling down
[05:47] <nixternal> as soon as he gets it straight, either myself (pending my account approval) or Phil Rodriguez will surely upload it
[05:47] <nixternal> however, as you are probably aware, it will be uploaded for KDE4
[05:47] <nixternal> KDE3.5.6 is frozen
[05:48] <nixternal> nothing though for us to create a patch for kde-docs to include it there
[05:49] <Riddell> nixternal: adept isn't in KDE mainline, it's in playground
[05:49] <Riddell> it doesn't have a KDE 4 branch
[05:49] <Riddell> froud: so, seems like it's being handled
[05:49] <nixternal> oh, well then nevermind what i said
[05:49] <nixternal> if it is in playground we are fine then
[05:50] <nixternal> playground and extragear aren't string frozen like the rest correct?
[05:50] <froud> Riddell: what adept?
[05:50] <Riddell> correct
[05:50] <Riddell> froud: yes
[05:50] <nixternal> froud: i have been contemplating that Karbon14 documentation as well. if you need help with anything, i can see what i can do
[05:50] <froud> Riddell: yes, just trying to get jeffsch to give me status on what's happening
[05:50] <Lure> nixternal: only branches/3.5 is frozen
[05:51] <nixternal> ya, trunk isn't
[05:51] <froud> nixternal: you're welcome https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66045
[05:51] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 66045 in Missing Content "Karbon needs documentation" [Wishlist,Assigned] 
[05:52] <nixternal> i can probably put together at least one simple tutorial for the doc now that i have been playing a little with it
[05:52] <froud> Lure: I dont think we can stop doc efforts just because a branch is frozen
[05:53] <nixternal> froud: i believe that any karbon docs created from this point on might be a KOffice2.0 merge eventually
[05:53] <nixternal> i am not sure how or if it will be backported to 3.5.x
[05:53] <Lure> froud: nothing should be stopped, it can just not get in 3.5.6 when freeze is active
[05:54] <nixternal> PhilRod will probably know that better than I, or askie whom I believe is doing the KOffice stuff
[05:54] <froud> nixternal: I just focus on what there is in terms of bugs @ kde and go from there, somebody else will manage the rest :-)
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe, same here froud
[05:54] <froud> Lure: tha's no problem, so long as it does get in one day
[05:54] <nixternal> froud: they will eventually get tired of your patches and request that you get an svn account as they did me
[05:55] <froud> nixternal: jah that I know.
[06:03] <Lure> nixternal: great work on Herd2 page (I like new screenshots)
[06:03] <nixternal> screenshots I believe are from Riddell :)
[06:03] <nixternal> he is to blame for the new page :)
[06:03] <nixternal> i am just adding the layout and content right now, but I appreciate the kind comments
[06:04] <Lure> nixternal: btw, link for Feedback points to Herd1 (since your are just editin it)
[06:04] <Riddell> the screenshots are intended to be edited
[06:05] <nixternal> they have been Riddell
[06:05] <Riddell> phew
[06:05] <nixternal> small size for the main page linking to a larger view
[06:08] <Jucato> nixternal: do I need to ask permission from someone if I'm going to make a help.ubuntu.com/community page for the theming guide?
[06:08] <nixternal> nope
[06:09] <nixternal> that is open for everyone to add/edit docs
[06:09] <Riddell> Jucato: what's covered in the theming guide?
[06:09] <Jucato> ok thanks
[06:10] <Jucato> Riddell: just the basics on how to apply themes: background, icons, styles, windecos, colors, splash screen, kde theme (in kcontrol) and kdm theme
[06:10] <Riddell> nice
[06:11] <Jucato> Riddell: it's the same guide that I made for the KDE User's Guide, except I modified it a bit, since the original guide talks about KControl
[06:20] <ryanakca> do I add anything to changelog for sync? (I'm following https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging , but it doesn't say...)
[06:22] <Lure> Riddell: powermanager now also uses ifx86misc module which is in kde-guidance package - ok to make -powermanager depend on kde-guidance package?
[06:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove without making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72233
[06:29] <Riddell> Lure: sure, but does kde-guidance need ifx86misc or only -powermanager?
[06:29] <Lure> Riddell: both (before only kcm modules needed it)
[06:30] <nixternal> ryanakca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[06:31] <Riddell> Lure: go ahead then
[06:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: so, I test out the sync, and then I send them an email or something requesting a sync?
[06:33] <nixternal> you file a bug requesting the sync
[06:33] <ryanakca> ok
[06:33] <ryanakca> and then they search it and sync it or something?
[06:34] <nixternal> you will subscribe universe supporters to the bug, which goes to Hobbsee
[06:34] <ryanakca> and if the package is in main, main supporters? (keep in this case)
[06:35] <nixternal> that i am unsure of
[06:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: just ping one of the kubuntu main uploaders (me, raphink, tonio..)
[06:35] <ryanakca> kk
[06:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: and subscribe ubuntu-archive once we've confirmed
[06:35] <Riddell> imbrandon too of course
[06:35] <ryanakca> will do...
[06:38] <imbrandon> :)
[06:39] <Jucato> moin imbrandon!
[06:39] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[08:19] <manchicken> Hobbsee|NotHere: I will try to be at the meeting.
[08:19] <manchicken> No guarantee.
[08:19] <manchicken> (I can't spell that word for the life of me)
[08:20] <manchicken> Riddell: This software-properties port is going to be much harder than intially thought.
[08:20] <Jucato> it's correct
[08:20] <Riddell> manchicken: why's that?
[08:21] <manchicken> Riddell: Because GTK and Glade are VERY tied to the rest of the code.
[08:21] <manchicken> I'm thinking of taking some of the business logic out and putting it into a lib for the purpose of future ports.
[08:21] <manchicken> Just wanted to let you know what I'd thought though, I've gotta run for now.
[08:21] <manchicken> Talk @ ya later.
[09:33] <GNUro> hi
[09:38] <fdoving> Lure: around? where are the laptop keys defined? on my ibook g4, fastup, and fastdown (fn+volup, fn+voldown) works nicely. slow-down, ctrl-fn+voldown also works. however slowup, ctrl-fn+volup triggers the popup, but does not increase the volume.
[09:39] <Lure> fdoving: fast and slow volume up/down? First time I hear about this...
[09:39] <fdoving> oh.. don't you hack volumenbuttons?
[09:39] <Lure> fdoving: we only map volume up/down
[09:39] <Lure> fdoving: I do
[09:40] <Lure> fdoving: just that it is probably not kmilo handling it for you...
[09:40] <fdoving> it's set in kmilo/generic/generic_monitor.h:62
[09:40] <fdoving> void slowVolumeDown();
[09:40] <Lure> true... I recall now...
[09:40] <fdoving> does slow up work for you?
[09:41] <Lure> fdoving: confirmed
[09:42] <Lure> fdoving: ctrl+volup does something strange or nothing
[09:42] <fdoving> ok. thanks.-
[09:42] <fdoving> i'll have a look at the code then.
[09:43] <Lure> fdoving: never used ctrl, so I did not notice it...
[09:43] <fdoving>     // FIXME if the mixer doesn't support steps of the specified size it
[09:43] <fdoving>     // could get stuck at one position
[09:43] <fdoving> it tries to use +1 steps.
[09:44] <fdoving> i'll change it to 2 or 5 or something, to test.
[09:44] <nixternal> how come none of the feisty dailys will detect/mount my cdrom??
[09:45] <Riddell> nixternal: alternate CD?
[09:45] <nixternal> yes
[09:45] <Lure> fdoving: interesting... so probably mixer bug and kmilo just workarounds...
[09:45] <fdoving> probably.
[09:46] <fdoving> strange that it does work for decrease, or maybe not, i have no clue about mixers.
[09:46] <ryanakca> hmm... for some reason kmilo doesn't recognise my volup/down/mute/play-pause buttons... used to though...
[09:53] <fdoving> did you select one of the keyboard in the keyboard-layout kcm module?
[09:53] <fdoving> Laptop/notebook Dell Inspiron 6xxx/8xxx works for my ibook g4 :)
[09:55] <Lure> fdoving: they should work out-of-box without setting layout
[09:55] <fdoving> Lure: oh.. not sure they do here.
[09:55] <Lure> ryanakca: please provide info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes
[09:55] <fdoving> Lure: yes, they do, but i don't get the popups without selecting a keyboard.
[09:56] <Lure> fdoving: idea is that kernel+hotkey-setup ensure proper keycodes for all laptops and then we mark keycode -> xkeysym for ubuntu and assign proper actions
[09:56] <Lure> fdoving: interesting
[10:04] <Lure> fdoving: can you try w/o any layout and submit your data to above wiki page?
[10:04] <fdoving> sure.
[10:09] <ryanakca> Lure: it isn't a laptop, it's a multimedia keyboard...
[10:09] <Lure> ryanakca: ok, most multimedia keyboard match with keycodes anyhow
[10:10] <Lure> ryanakca: just check that keycode match the one reported by other people with laptops
[10:10] <Lure> I also have Genious multimedia keyboard and it works out of box
[10:11] <ryanakca> kk
[10:16] <ryanakca> Lure: they all match...
[10:21] <fdoving> Lure_: you have data on your wiki.
[10:22] <Lure_> fdoving: interesting - edgy or feisty?
[10:22] <fdoving> feisty.
[10:22] <Lure_> fdoving: can you check if mapping is correct in /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap
[10:23] <Lure_> fdoving:  and that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap properly starts it...
[10:23] <fdoving> mapping looks ok.
[10:23] <Lure_> fdoving: do you have ~/.Xmodmap?
[10:24] <fdoving> yes i have, that's my problem i guess.
[10:26] <fdoving> i need to re-arrange some keys.. since there is no mac-no layout that matches this keyboard.. not even close.
[10:26] <Lure> fdoving: testing here...
[10:28] <fdoving> after disabling the layouts it seems the xmodmapping is reset.
[10:28] <Lure> fdoving: having ~/.Xmodmap should not cause to break ubuntu mapping though (just tested)
[10:28] <fdoving> i didn't restart X.. i just disabled the layouts in the kcm module.
[10:29] <fdoving> i belive that leaves them to NoSymbol
[10:29] <Lure> fdoving: right, that is probably the cause - I have patched kxkb to re-apply xmodmap after layout switch, but this probably has to be done also after layout enable/disable
[10:29] <Lure> fdoving: even though this is not as often done as layout switch (I have english and slovene keyboard I switch often)
[10:30] <Lure> fdoving: probably - we can patch kcm module to also re-apply xmodmaps...
[10:30] <Lure> fdoving: you can submit but and I can look at this for feisty
[10:31] <fdoving> ok. please continue guidance-power-manager work, it's needed. :)
[10:33] <Lure> fdoving: ;-)
[10:33] <ryanakca> Lure: dunno if you got that message right before your connection went funny, but they all match
[10:33] <Lure> fdoving: if you have any special issue - just speak!
[10:33] <Lure> ryanakca: then they should work
[10:33] <ryanakca> key word: should
[10:34] <Lure> ryanakca: do they have keysym assigned? (XF86xxx)?
[10:34] <fdoving> Lure: i just want some way to set profiles, like 'powersave/performance/auto' etc.
[10:34] <ryanakca> yep
[10:34] <Lure> ryanakca: I recall Riddell fixing some bug in kdebase recently - are you up-to-date?
[10:34] <ryanakca> and kmilo is running... according to System Settings (which was broken as well :D )
[10:34] <ryanakca> Edgy, yes
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: this is already done - it will be in Herd2
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: just need to fix some boring corner cases for config file handling and then I can prepare new package ;-)
[10:36] <fdoving> Lure: good thing. will that support using 'powernowd' to manage 'auto' and setting the governors to powersave and performance for others or what?
[10:36] <fdoving> thing is, my laptop doesn't handle the 'ondemand' governor.. i need powernowd.
[10:36] <Lure> fdoving: we provide Dynamic (ondemand), Performance and Powersave
[10:36] <fdoving> Lure: I want 'Dynamic (powernowd)'
[10:37] <fdoving> .. i can hack that myself though :)
[10:37] <Lure> fdoving: is this userspace?
[10:37] <fdoving> yes.
[10:37] <fdoving> or.. Userspace support ofcourse.
[10:37] <fdoving> that'll handle it.
[10:39] <Lure> fdoving: I can try to fix this - can you test this script on your system:
[10:39] <Lure> http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/dbus-cpufreq.py
[10:40] <Lure> provide output when executed without arguments
[10:40] <Lure> fdoving: and you can specify governer as argument to change it
[10:42] <fdoving> Lure: figured it out. works. conservative and ondemand does not work on G4s. but changing between the others does work.
[10:42] <fdoving> that is like the simplest script.. ever :)
[10:42] <fdoving> hal is cool.
[10:42] <Lure> fdoving: but does HAL report them as supported?
[10:42] <fdoving> Lure: how do i find that out?
[10:42] <fdoving> they are listed by the script, yes.
[10:43] <Lure> fdoving: this script reports supported
[10:43] <fdoving> the modules are loaded.
[10:43] <Lure> fdoving: just changing to them fails?
[10:43] <fdoving> the kernel lists them as available.
[10:43] <fdoving> correct.
[10:43] <Lure> does my script fail with error or just silently?
[10:44] <fdoving> with error.
[10:44] <fdoving> i'll pastebin.
[10:44] <Lure> fdoving: I am thinking of doing dynamic like this: set(ondemand) if fails, then set(userspace)
[10:44] <Lure> fdoving: great!
[10:44] <Lure> fdoving: we will not support conservative anyhow
[10:45] <Lure> fdoving: we this that Dynamic, Powersave and Performance is good enough
[10:46] <Lure> fdoving: most users should just have Dynamic always (battery or mains powered)
[10:47] <Lure> fdoving: Performance/Powersave make sense for some rare people that would like to squize more juice out of battery and that do not want to wait for swithch to perofrmance on adapter
[10:47] <fdoving> i agree.
[10:48] <fdoving> I use performance when i'm on AC, this cpu is slow at switching..
[10:48] <fdoving> that's why it's not supported by the ondemand governor.
[10:48] <Lure> fdoving: if you want to test latest powermanager, you can get it from KDE svn (it is easy, since it is python)
[10:48] <fdoving> also, sometimes whem i'm on AC i want it to be quiet.. meetings and so on.. so i force low cpu speeds.
[10:48] <Lure> fdoving: ok, it makes sense
[10:48] <fdoving> good.
[10:49] <fdoving> brb..
[10:49] <Lure> fdoving: do not forget to paste error messages - I need them to implement userspace
[10:51] <fdoving> ah.. i'll do it first.
[10:52] <fdoving> Lure: http://rafb.net/p/i9Mv4163.html
[10:53] <fdoving> conservative is exactly the same.. s/ondemand/conservative/g
[10:53] <Lure> fdoving: thanks
[11:37] <Lure> fdoving: can you try powermanager from svn?
[11:38] <Lure> fdoving:  svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/guidance/powermanager
[11:38] <Lure> cd powermanager
[11:38] <Lure> ./recompile-ui-files
[11:38] <Lure> ./guidance-power-manager.py
[11:39] <Lure> And of course, you need to stop old powermanager first
[11:41] <fdoving> Lure: sure. one question first. is kmilo_powerbook deprecated from kdeutils?
[11:42] <Lure> fdoving: it is in kmilo-legacy AFAIR
[11:42] <fdoving> i get a package-buildfailure.. i suspect it's because pbbuttons-dev is not there.. and kmilo.install.powerpc still lists some files that are not created because of this.
[11:42] <Lure> fdoving: it should not be needed on ubuntu
[11:43] <Lure> fdoving: never built on ppc, so not sure if I can help with this
[11:43] <fdoving> ok, i'll see what changes i need to do to make it work and build.
[11:44] <fdoving> first, i'll test the powermanager.
[11:47] <fdoving> Lure: http://rafb.net/p/mm2T8Z64.html
[11:47] <fdoving> ondemand is default?
[11:48] <fdoving> might want to change that to something that works for everyone.
[11:48] <fdoving> performance.. maybe.
[11:48] <fdoving> or userspace.
[11:49] <Lure> fdoving: it just tries ondemand first, as it is more efficient as userspace when it works
[11:49] <Lure> does powermanager work (beside the pasted error)?
[11:49] <fdoving> no, it crashes with that error.
[11:49] <fdoving> or, does not start at all.
[11:50] <fdoving> what's the number for userspace?
[11:50] <fdoving> 0 dynamic, 1... ?
[11:51] <Lure> fdoving: dynamic is ondemand or userspace
[11:52] <Lure> fdoving: can you edit powermanage.py
[11:52] <fdoving> i'm there.
[11:52] <Lure> and change "pass" in line 318 to: print "Cannot set governor", gov
[11:53] <Lure> print has to be where pass was now
[11:53] <fdoving> there is no pass at line 318.
[11:54] <fdoving> 318 is 'return False', in setCpuPolicy
[11:54] <Lure> fdoving: you have latest version from svn?
[11:54] <fdoving> latest from anonsvn, yes.
[11:54] <fdoving> i'll sync again.
[11:54] <fdoving> anonsvn syncs can be slow.
[11:55] <fdoving> ah.. there.
[11:55] <fdoving> now it starts.
[11:55] <Lure> good - now try different options in config
[11:55] <fdoving> scaling policy set to Dynamic and all. :)
[11:56] <Lure> ok, so no need to change the code then, right?
[11:56] <fdoving> switching back to Dynamic from Powersave, did not work.
[11:56] <fdoving> CPU policy will stay powersave
[11:56] <fdoving> it says..
[11:56] <Lure> fdoving: did you set the right option? one is for battery and one for mains
[11:59] <fdoving> Lure: got it working.. i first started to change the 'battery powered' profile.. that worked (i'm on AC).. until i changed the AC profile, for the first time.. then the battery profile started behaving like it should (not changing anything, but telling me CPU policy will stay dynamic).
[12:00] <Lure> fdoving: that is right - after ok/apply, powermanger checks if policy should change now
[12:00] <MidMark> sebas: can you (or someone else) retest a new case of bug #39444 see last comment, thanx in advance!
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[12:00] <Lure> fdoving: otherwise it changes (with notification) when ac is (un)plugged
[12:01] <fdoving> Lure: confirmed :)
[12:01] <Lure> fdoving: great - thanks for providing info and testing
[12:02] <fdoving> Lure: thanks for making this work :)
[12:02] <fdoving> I'll leave that running. :)
[12:02] <fdoving> poke me if you need more testing.
[12:02] <Lure> fdoving: I need to change config file values from numbers to strings (for actions and policy)
[12:03] <Lure> fdoving: and this just because QComboBox does not support hiding ;-)
[12:05] <fdoving> what is it you're going to hide?
[12:05] <fdoving> i think i need to learn some python basics.
[12:05] <Lure> MidMark: that is different bug than initial report though
[12:06] <MidMark> Lure: yes you have right
[12:06] <Lure> fdoving: I need to hide dynamic/powersave/performance if HW does not support it
[12:06] <MidMark> should I report a new one?
[12:06] <Lure> fdoving: similar also for suspend/hibernate in idle/low battery actions
[12:06] <Lure> MidMark: please
[12:07] <MidMark> Lure: ok but first can you test it? It took about 3 minutes or less, just to not open a new bug that it's to be reject
[12:07] <Lure> MidMark: unless this one is still opened just for this case...
[12:07] <fdoving> Lure: i tried to use a QVGroupBox for something similar.. but i've postponed it. i need to read up on qt-ui-design first.
[12:08] <Lure> fdoving: powermanager is my first gui work, so...
[12:08] <Lure> '-)
[12:10] <fdoving> i haven't done any yet :)
[12:12] <Lure> MidMark: confirmed
[12:14] <MidMark> Lure: thanx
[12:15] <fdoving> hah.. kmilo is cool.
[12:15] <fdoving> dcop kded kmilod displayText 'Hello World'