[12:15] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: I'm on it but it seems easier to get a one line response then back it up with the pages upon pages that I found
[12:15] <DaSkreech> coolt: What language? Spanish?
[12:15] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, k :)
[12:15] <coolt> romana
[12:16] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[12:16] <coolt> in ubuntu-ro no response
[12:16] <DaSkreech> coolt: Ok
[12:16] <DaSkreech> The First hard drive is /dev/hda
[12:16] <coolt> aha
[12:16] <DaSkreech> the first partition (your windows C:) is /dev/hda1
[12:16] <Xera> huh DaSkreech?
[12:16] <Xera> it varies
[12:16] <Xera> mine is sda2
[12:16] <coolt> ubuntu is /dev/hda3?
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Xera: You have  SATA drive
[12:17] <Xera> ah ;p
[12:17] <DaSkreech> coolt: Possibly :)
[12:17] <Xera> now that someone is talking to me
[12:17] <Xera> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1976560#post1976560 !!
[12:17] <DaSkreech> coolt: How many hard drives do you have?
[12:17] <Xera> :'(
[12:19] <DaSkreech> Xera: A) don't use USB DSL modems. They sucketh the big one
[12:19] <Xera> it's not my choice..
[12:19] <DaSkreech> coolt: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[12:19] <Xera> my sucky isp says i can't use an ethernet modem..
[12:19] <DaSkreech> Xera: Are you serious?
[12:19] <Xera> yes..
[12:19] <Xera> and i can't drop them till late feb..
[12:20] <Xera> stupid contract lol
[12:20] <Xera> AND they give no linux support
[12:20] <DaSkreech> ubotu!!
[12:20] <Xera> lol
[12:21] <Xera> !speedtouch
[12:21] <Xera> :<
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Xera: You can't talk to ubotu till about 5 mins after it enters the chan
[12:21] <Xera> lol
[12:22] <Xera> so, do you have any idea how to get this working?
[12:22] <Xera> ;s
[12:22] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[12:22] <FisherP> !network
[12:22] <FisherP> !networking
[12:22] <Xera> FisherP: [23:22]  <DaSkreech> Xera: You can't talk to ubotu till about 5 mins after it enters the chan
[12:22] <Xera> lol
[12:22] <FisherP> DOH ty
[12:22] <Xera> lol
[12:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speedtouch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:22] <DaSkreech> There we go :)
[12:22] <Xera> !networking
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Seeeee? We need a !botslap
[12:23] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <DaSkreech> !anything
[12:23] <Xera> lol
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <DaSkreech> heehee
[12:23] <Xera> XD
[12:23] <ubuntu_> u cant partition reiserfs with the live cd?
[12:24] <Schuenemann> !bot abuse
[12:24] <ubotu> Please don't play with the bots, or else... Also see !behaviour and !msgthebot
[12:24] <FisherP> LOL
[12:24] <Xera> lol
[12:24] <Xera> !behaviour
[12:24] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:24] <Xera> !msgthebot
[12:24] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:24] <Xera> :O scary
[12:24] <ubuntu_> anyone?
[12:24] <Xera> whats a reiserfs ?
[12:24] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: I think it depends on which live CD
[12:24] <ubuntu_> partition type
[12:25] <Xera> k
[12:25] <FisherP> it ubotu inteligent in any way... I thought it was an automated responce
[12:25] <DaSkreech> Xera: The file system. Like ext3 or Fat32 or NTFS
[12:25] <Xera> !vmware
[12:25] <ubotu> vmware is VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[12:25] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech,  do u know if its possible to format with reiserfs from the livecd?
[12:25] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: I think you can't with the edgy CD
[12:26] <ubuntu_> oh, damn
[12:26] <DaSkreech> at least not the /
[12:26] <Valmarko> Could someone tell how to request the default configuration of my firewall. I would like to undo all the changes I made with guarddog
[12:26] <ubuntu_> well..can you resize the OS partition after installation?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> I could be wrong and it could be XFS instead
[12:26] <Xera> !tinyxp
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tinyxp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <Xera> :(
[12:26] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Yeah after install you can do what you want
[12:26] <ubuntu_> well...im about to install, but it doesnt give reiserfs
[12:27] <ubuntu_> ok, so it is possible to simply resize the whole thing and make 2 reiserfs partitions_
[12:27] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: I think technically you can do a preinstall format and tell the installer to use that as long as you aren't putting grub on the same partition
[12:27] <ubuntu_> yea, it is set on reiserfs at start
[12:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> does anyone know how to set profile images for gaim? like the one picture that's displayed as u when ur in chat
[12:27] <ubuntu_> but reiserfs on the whole drive
[12:27] <DaSkreech> Valmarko: Not sure. You could dump your current config to a file I think
[12:28] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: I think that's in the FAQ on thier site
[12:28] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Well do an advanced partiton and cut it up how you want it
[12:28] <ubuntu_> how do i do an advanced partition?
[12:28] <ubuntu_> i selected manual
[12:29] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech *sigh* more reading lol, thx
[12:29] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Yeah that works
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Hey you are talking about an application that forces you to read what amatuers are writing :)
[12:29] <ubuntu_> is that the 'advanced' one?
[12:31] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Yes
[12:31] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech is there something besides gaim, amsn, and kopete, i don't like kopete and am trying to steer away from it
[12:32] <DaSkreech> Miranda
[12:32] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech do u know if "hello" from google will work for different platforms, i was on their site yesterday, didn't really know what exactly i was looking at lol
[12:32] <DaSkreech> I"m not sure I understand
[12:32] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: hrm..but when i select that and try to cut it in halfs, the reiserfs goes away
[12:33] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: You want to connect to Gtalk from Gaim/kopete etc?
[12:33] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Did you give it a mount point?
[12:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech o just some program that'll allow me to hook up to msn, yahoo, and aim at the same time
[12:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech sorry bout the confusion
[12:33] <DaSkreech> What is the hello from Google?
[12:34] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: before the installation? :O
[12:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech "hello"is a chat program from google i think, at least that was my impression after looking around their site
[12:34] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Yes of course :)
[12:34] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Can you give me a link?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> Hello is a new way to look at pictures together
[12:35] <Dr_willis> with friends and family.
[12:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech ya, let me find
[12:35] <Dr_willis> http://www.hello.com/what_is_hello.php
[12:35] <orgie> hi @ all
[12:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> yeah that
[12:36] <orgie> jemand da, der deutsch spricht und mirhelfen kann?
[12:36] <DaSkreech> !de
[12:36] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:36] <orgie> uh
[12:36] <orgie> :D
[12:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech: like Dr_willis said http://www.hello.com/what_is_hello.php, it seems like mostly picture sharing but their background image shows their able to talk(type) to oneanother
[12:37] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: ok, thanx for the help m8
[12:37] <ubuntu_> gonna install now
[12:37] <swami> anyoane using mono online
[12:37] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You see the mount points?
[12:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there a games channel on freenode?
[12:38] <swami> anyone using mono-developer online?
[12:38] <Dr_willis> #XXX
[12:38] <DaSkreech> #gametome
[12:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:38] <Schuenemann> what does XXX mean?
[12:38] <swami> or someone tell me the mono chanell?
[12:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> think i'll go xxx first
[12:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> that was a bad joke
[12:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol
[12:39] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx DaSkreech, checking out channel
[12:39] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: hrm..not really, im very new to linux and all, and im guessing ill be better off just installing one partition now, instead of bothering everyone :P
[12:39] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Not a bad idea but in the future you will want at least two (plus swap)
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: I haven't looked into it too much yet but I think it would be safe to say that given googles focus on chat you should be able to connect to hello
[12:41] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: yea, ill try resizing the partition later somehow
[12:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech thx for the feedback and looking it up =)
[12:43] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Yep it seems that hello's chat component is simply Jabber which can be connected to by near 100% of Open source multi chat programs
[12:44] <devinci> este vous toussur linux ?
[12:44] <DaSkreech> !es
[12:44] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:44] <Schuenemann> !fr
[12:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:44] <DaSkreech> I think
[12:44] <DaSkreech>  That lookes french now that I look at tit
[12:45] <DaSkreech> Blast :(
[12:45] <Schuenemann> I > you
[12:45] <DaSkreech> Don't judge a language by the first word
[12:45] <devinci> y a dquel qu un de francais
[12:45] <jtmoney> is there a way to configure the wireless assistant to connect to preferred networks? it keeps connecting to my neighbors instead of mine ;)
[12:45] <Schuenemann> !fr | devinci
[12:45] <ubotu> devinci: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:46] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Avahi is funny they link to a "erroneous article" about them selves
[12:47] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, :)
[12:47] <DaSkreech> That's their description
[12:47] <jtmoney> okay, i read up on repositories on wiki.kubuntu.org, but it's still not clear when i'm looking at the list... what are backports? are those *ALL* the lines at the bottom or only the two after the comments that describe backports?
[12:48] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Avahi is used in KIO slaves?
[12:48] <DaSkreech> jtmoney: only the ones which describe themselves a backports
[12:48] <BackPacker> jtmoney: backports are when someone makes a program available to a non-current distro
[12:49] <BackPacker> jtmoney: i.e. if a program becomes available for Edgy, someone might backport it to Dapper
[12:49] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, I don't really know much about avahi, I just googled it when you asked earlier, lol.  I'll have a read of the link later :)
[12:49] <Schuenemann> ?
[12:50] <BackPacker> !polish >Bers
[12:50] <DaSkreech> Blooming Knickers of the Spanish main. How much memory can Firefox eat?
[12:50] <Schuenemann> pl = poland
[12:50] <Dr_willis> !redneck
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about redneck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <BackPacker> Schuenemann: that's what I thought
[12:51] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: If you start a redneck chan we can point to it
[12:51] <Schuenemann> you just he was from pt :p
[12:51] <Schuenemann> you just hthought e was from pt :p
[12:51] <DaSkreech> !away > bers
[12:51] <Schuenemann> bah, nevermind
[12:51] <BackPacker> Schuenemann: I thought I recognized the language, then saw the .pl on his hostname
[12:52] <DaSkreech> Wheee KDE is a subsection of Wikipedia :)
[12:52] <Schuenemann> !xine > Schuenemann
[12:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Ahmuck> in kubuntu when i attempt to save under bluefish, i get /usr/bin/esd not found
[12:53] <tobre> Hi!
[12:53] <DaSkreech> Maybe cause it's not there?
[12:54] <Schuenemann> how can I use whois from console?
[12:54] <JosefK> why on earth is bluefish trying to use the sound daemon when it's saving?
[12:54] <Schuenemann> I could when I had suse
[12:54] <Ahmuck> well, yes, cause it's not there, but why doesn't adept show it
[12:55] <Ahmuck> JosefK: no idea
[12:55] <JosefK> Schuenemann: try installing it first
[12:55] <JosefK> !whois
[12:55] <DaSkreech> Ahmuck: JosefK has a much better question
[12:55] <ubotu> whois: the GNU whois client. In component main, is optional. Version 4.7.14 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 272 kB
[12:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech thx =), was afk little earlier, sorrie
[12:55] <Ahmuck> :~$ bluefish
[12:55] <Ahmuck> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[12:56] <Ahmuck> Segmentation fault
[12:56] <JosefK> Ahmuck: see if bluefish has any settings to do with playing sounds, turn them off if it does
[12:56] <JosefK> esd isn't listed as a dependency for bluefish at least :/
[12:57] <DaSkreech> ok X and Firefox combined use up more than my 1GB swap space
[12:57] <tobre> I have a strange problem with my laptop running kubuntu. Monitor turning-off time is set to 15 minutes. After that it's really turns off, but in next 20 seconds LCD backlight is turned on again, but still black screen. I wonder what's wrong that backlight turs on.
[12:57] <JosefK> DaSkreech: sure you're not confusing disk cache with app memory?
[12:58] <DaSkreech> I figure VMsize is the total of Swap plus in memeory and VMRss is what is actually in memory
[12:59] <DaSkreech> hi nalioth
[12:59] <JosefK> DaSkreech: check out Memory in KInfoCenter, it's a more detailed view
[12:59] <nalioth> DaSkreech: howdy
[01:00] <tobre> Anyone hasn't had such a situation?
[01:01] <DaSkreech> JosefK: Well FF is taking up 590 Megs and X is taking up520 according to my reading of Ksysguard. That's more than my Swap memory :)
[01:02] <mortici> heylo :)
[01:02] <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.com/853128
[01:02] <Ahmuck> if i do an strace, that is what i get
[01:03] <Xera> can you paste it somewhere else? pastebin.com won't load..
[01:03] <Ahmuck> tobre: did you check your bios settings or suspend ?
[01:03] <Rob-West> C:\Program Files\Microsoft Sucks
[01:03] <JosefK> Ahmuck: touch ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[01:03] <Ahmuck> JosefK: yea, i tried that one, is there another place to paste ?
[01:04] <JosefK> http://pastie.caboo.se/
[01:04] <tobre> Yes.
[01:05] <Rob-West> C:\Program Files\Microsoft Sucks\These Games Suck\We Spy On You
[01:05] <Ahmuck> http://pastie.caboo.se/31592
[01:05] <tobre> I have a dualboot and in windows it's working well.
[01:05] <Ahmuck> after touching .gtk-bookmarks
[01:05] <Xera> Rob-West: Winblows
[01:05] <Schuenemann> Windows = Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
[01:06] <Xera> XD
[01:06] <JosefK> that's unusual, that munmap looks like a buffer, and the mmap2 above seems to have succeeded
[01:06] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: I'd argue that more so with MacOS
[01:06] <tobre> It's so strange. Firtst 20 seconds it's working, then backlight comes up again.
[01:07] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech: Most Applications Crash. If Not, The Operating System Hangs
[01:07] <DaSkreech> Go BSD :)
[01:08] <Ahmuck> :-( i fixed this once, then i accidently rm -rf .* in my home directory and forgot how to fix it agian
[01:08] <tobre> But is this a bug or smth?
[01:09] <mortici> is there anyway to control DPMS through KDE?
[01:10] <tobre> If it is, then there have to be some forum threads talking about it, but I could'nt find.
[01:11] <DaSkreech> What brand laptop?
[01:11] <Ahmuck> :~$ bluefish
[01:11] <Ahmuck> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:11] <Ahmuck> Segmentation fault
[01:12] <Ahmuck> ok, after install esound, i get this now
[01:12] <coreymon77> hi guys
[01:12] <coreymon77> how do i install beryl
[01:12] <coreymon77> on edgy] 
[01:12] <mortici> coreymon77, aptitude install beryl
[01:12] <tobre> Ok, but what should I do?
[01:12] <DaSkreech> !beryl
[01:12] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:13] <phobiac> coreymon: There's more to it then just beryl though. I'm assuming you want it for all the fancy 3d effects?
[01:13] <coreymon77> mortici: aptitude?
[01:13] <mortici> yes
[01:14] <mortici> aptitude install beryl
[01:14] <phobiac> It's like apt-get but makes it easier to get rid of dependent packages.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Is KDE still the worlds Biggest Open source project?
[01:14] <mortici> coreymon77, yep it ill get everything needed for beryl
[01:14] <coreymon77> phobiac: well, i guess i would like that stuff, if it doesnt slow down my comp to omuch
[01:14] <coreymon77> what if im just using regualr apt
[01:15] <phobiac> coreymon: You need to make sure your video card can handle it though.
[01:15] <phobiac> What's your video card? ATI, NVDIA?
[01:15] <mortici> coreymon77, well then i hope you know all the deps for it
[01:15] <mortici> coreymon77, but why make it hard, just type what i said and be done with it in under 2 mins
[01:16] <coreymon77> mortici: apt gets all the deps aswell
[01:16] <JohnFlux_> DaSkreech: i've made some changes to kde4 that means it's much easier to read and understand the memory usage of apps
[01:16] <coreymon77> phobiac: i have an nvidia card
[01:16] <DaSkreech> JohnFlux_: I saw :) And I'm sure you got many thanks
[01:16] <mortici> coreymon77, yes beryl, but what about the theme managers?
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Hi Hawkwind
[01:17] <phobiac> coreymon: Follow this guide http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[01:17] <coreymon77> mortici: do i really need that stuff
[01:17] <phobiac> Beryl with XGL can be a long and grueling process, as far as I know it rarely works out of the box.
[01:17] <mortici> coreymon77, why am i arguing with you, if you want to use apt then go for it, this is so weird, you asked a qestion and i answered it and you question me again lol
[01:18] <mortici> i just tried to make it easy on you
[01:18] <mortici> if you wanna do it the hard way
[01:18] <mortici> then go for it
[01:18] <phobiac> Coreymon: You need beryl and emerald. It's not one simple install. I would recommend using aptitude though, mortici is right.
[01:18] <mortici> well then how are you gonna theme your windows?
[01:18] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Honestly this is not the right place to ask
[01:19] <coreymon77> okay, its a pain in the ass with apt
[01:19] <coreymon77> is this aptitude thing already on my computer
[01:19] <mortici> lol i don't understand you
[01:19] <mortici> haha
[01:19] <coreymon77> or do i have to install it
[01:19] <mortici> i give up
[01:19] <mortici> im gonna go hide
[01:20] <coreymon77> oh
[01:20] <phobiac> coreymon: If you don't know apt-get and aptitude beryl might be too difficult for you.
[01:20] <coreymon77> its just apt isnt it
[01:20] <coreymon77> phobiac: excuse me but i know plenty about apt, i use it almost every day
[01:21] <coreymon77> ive just never heqard of aptitude before
[01:21] <coreymon77> not that i have found out that its just apt, im fine
[01:22] <coreymon77> what a sec
[01:22] <phobiac> coreymon: Look, I'm just making a recommendation. It took me a while to get beryl working and I almost ended up having to do a fresh install of kubuntu. I was making an observation based on an assumption and I could be wrong, but if you haven't been using kubuntu long enough to know aptitude beryl might be a bit too difficult if you run into problems.
[01:23] <phobiac> I'm not calling you stupid, just trying to save you from future pains.
[01:23] <coreymon77> phobiac: ive been using kubuntu for close to a yuear
[01:23] <coreymon77> i know perfectly well what apt is
[01:23] <phobiac> coreymon: Whatever you say man.
[01:23] <coreymon77> ive just never heard anyone use the term aptitude for it before
[01:24] <phobiac> aptitude is not exactly the same as apt.
[01:24] <coreymon77> ive noticed
[01:24] <coreymon77> for one thing
[01:24] <coreymon77> i need to repos for beryl
[01:24] <coreymon77> the
[01:24] <andreasw> I am an old debian user and I've also never used aptitude before ^^
[01:24] <phobiac> You might want to use Trev's svn repos.
[01:24] <coreymon77> you see
[01:25] <mortici> svn for the win
[01:25] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: try asking in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:25] <phobiac> Andrea: I was just trying to help him out. I assumed he might be too new at ubuntu. I was wrong. I apologive to you Corey.
[01:27] <Xera> ok..
[01:28] <andreasw> phobiac: well the problem is not everybody is native english speaker and can't find the right words so well
[01:28] <coreymon77> umm
[01:28] <coreymon77> whose the non native english speaker here
[01:29] <tobre> Ahmuck, have you some ideas for fixing my problem?
[01:29] <andreasw> I am for example ;)
[01:29] <andreasw> But I am now really interested what the main differences between aptitude and apt-get are
[01:29] <Ahmuck> tobre: what is your problem, i missed it
[01:29] <andreasw> both can resolve depencies
[01:30] <tobre> This screen backlight, remember?
[01:30] <phobiac> Aptitude makes it easier to get rid of dependent uneeded packages when you uninstall the package you orginally installed.
[01:30] <Ahmuck> tobre: ah, no, not really
[01:31] <coreymon77> okay
[01:31] <andreasw> phobiac: I can also do that with apt-get
[01:31] <coreymon77> ive seen on that tutorial site you gave me that its reccomended to use aiglx instead
[01:31] <tobre> Okay :)
[01:32] <tobre> But could you suggest where should I ask about this problem?
[01:32] <phobiac> Andrea: That's really all I know about it. Aptitude seems to be really aggresive with uninstalling dependencies.
[01:32] <Ahmuck> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluefish/+bug/55256
[01:32] <Ahmuck> bingo
[01:33] <phobiac> For example, when I stupididly installed the kubuntu-desktop package with aptitude I ended up having apt-get request to remove most of kubuntu when I uninstalled the bluetooth programs.
[01:33] <nikola> how do i set Firefox as my default browser?
[01:34] <phobiac> Nikola: System settings>Default Applications
[01:34] <andreasw> phobiac: it automatically makes what apt-get autoremove does
[01:34] <phobiac> andrea: Pretty much.
[01:34] <nikola> thx
[01:35] <Ahmuck> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360401
[01:36] <pablo7> !aptitude
[01:37] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[01:38] <Ahmuck> is there a way to get a newer version of bluefish without going through adept ?  looks like i need 1.0.7 and ubuntu is currently at 1.0.6
[01:40] <Ahmuck> it appears that 1.0.7 is only listed on fiesty, and of course that is not ready yet
[01:40] <Ahmuck> well, i am not ready for fiesty yet
[01:40] <Ahmuck> who do i contact about getting a 1.0.7 version of bluefish for edgy ?
[01:41] <nikola> ok
[01:41] <nikola> here is the big question
[01:41] <nikola> ....
[01:41] <nikola> how do i get my airport to work with this thing?
[01:43] <Lynoure> nikola: By airport you probably do not mean a place where planes depart and arrive, but some piece of Mac hardware? What does it do, actually? Is it just a wireless accesspoint?
[01:43] <jarn> How do I pipe output? I forget if it's < or >...
[01:43] <nikola> iz just a wireless router
[01:43] <nikola> but my wireless finding program doesnt find any of the access points in my house (which there are 4)
[01:44] <Lynoure> nikola: I'm too sleepy to help much, but whoever will will want to know what wireless network card you have, I think
[01:44] <pablo7> Ahmuck: you could try using checkinstall to compile updated source code and install it as a deb file.
[01:44] <nikola> I have a built in Airport card
[01:44] <nikola> .....
[01:45] <Ahmuck> apt-get checkinstall bluefish ?
[01:45] <Lynoure> So, some apple intel laptop. I cannot remember which those were called.
[01:46] <nikola> macbook
[01:46] <nikola> or macbookpro
[01:47] <Lynoure> nikola: then this could help: http://bin-false.org/?p=17
[01:47] <Lynoure> nikola: check the wireless part there.
[01:47] <pablo7> Ahmuck: just apt-get checkinstall first, you will want to get the tar.gz file directly from the bluefish project website.
[01:47] <Ahmuck> pablo7: ooooh, nice program
[01:47] <nikola> ty
[01:48] <Lynoure> nikola: being on Kubuntu, Adept instead of Synaptic and knetworkmanager instead of the gnome variants
[01:49] <DaSkreech> Ahmuck: Yeah handy for tight situations don't rely on it too much
[01:49] <pablo7> jarn: do you want to pipe output to a file?
[01:50] <sleepy495> what are some up to date Linux books I can buy?
[01:50] <sleepy495> some are so old I don't know what to pick
[01:50] <Dr_willis> sleepy495,  i always hit the sale tables.. :)
[01:51] <BackPacker> sleepy495: Beginning Ubuntu Linux
[01:51] <Dr_willis> its more bout quality of the book  - get one with lots of words.. not pictures.
[01:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:51] <BackPacker> sleepy495: Moving to Ubuntu Linux
[01:51] <DaSkreech> I like pictures:(
[01:51] <Ahmuck> actually, i could just install it in /usr/local/bluefish and then delete it.  it seems it only happens
[01:51] <DaSkreech> It's why I hang out on IRC
[01:51] <BackPacker> sleepy495: The Official Ubuntu Book
[01:51] <Dr_willis> "Ubuntu hacks" has some neat info.. but its allready a little out of date
[01:51] <BackPacker> sleepy495: Ubuntu Unleashed
[01:52] <nikola> i have a question about Amarok
[01:52] <Lynoure> Books tend to go out of date
[01:52] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: there is no update web page?
[01:52] <nikola> um, when it says build collection, it doesnt let me type in an address for where to search for music
[01:52] <nikola> why?
[01:52] <Lynoure> nikola: that's under Configuration
[01:52] <BackPacker> sleepy495: Also Linux Desktop Hacks is fairly recent
[01:52] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  never noticed.. most of the tips and core stuff works fine. i know enough to notice whats changed. :)
[01:52] <Lynoure> nikola: if it is Amarok
[01:52] <DaSkreech> nikola: try under settings I thin
[01:53] <sleepy495> thanks :)
[01:53] <Thehound666> problem. I have overcome many in this install but now stuck. I'm trying to install rtorrent and get this error
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: You know that ktorrent is already installed?
[01:53] <nikola> ok, this is just weird
[01:53] <nikola> hmm
[01:53] <Thehound666> yes but trying out rtorrent to consider allowing it on our tracker
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Ok pastebin your error
[01:54] <jarn> How do I redirect output to a file?
[01:54] <Ahmuck> is there a way to get an fiesty apt-get ?
[01:54] <DaSkreech> nikola: How sow?
[01:54] <Thehound666> very short one actually
[01:54] <Lynoure> nikola: What is weird?
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Ahmuck: Yes but please don't
[01:54] <Thehound666> No package 'sigc++-2.0' found
[01:55] <Dr_willis> !find sigc
[01:55] <Thehound666> but tried Synaptic and apt-get
[01:55] <ubotu> Found: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a, libsigc++-2.0-dev, libsigc++-2.0-doc, libsigc++-1.2-5c2, libsigc++-1.2-dev (and 9 others)
[01:55] <nikola> um
[01:55] <nikola> i did "/mnt/Users/nikola/Music"
[01:55] <nikola> and it didnt find any of my music
[01:55] <pablo7> jarn: like this... echo text > text.txt
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: There you go :)
[01:55] <Thehound666> where do I find them?
[01:55] <Thehound666> Google suddenly failing me
[01:56] <DaSkreech> nikola: Just dbl check to make sure they are there
[01:56] <metellius> kubuntu 7.04 does not seem to have any default way to view deb packages by clicking on them. did the previous versions of kubuntu have this? what is it called? I want to be able to install the package easily
[01:56] <DaSkreech> nikola: Second question can you play mp3s?
[01:56] <DaSkreech> nikola: Assuming they are mp3
[01:56] <nikola> they are mostly mp3s
[01:56] <nikola> but um
[01:56] <nikola> whats a dbl check?
[01:56] <nikola> i checked, and they are there
[01:56] <nikola> the old fashioned way
[01:56] <nikola>  "cd /mnt/Users/etcetcetc"
[01:57] <DaSkreech> that a dbl check :)
[01:57] <nikola> ok :P
[01:57] <DaSkreech> nikola: Did you install mp3 support?
[01:57] <nikola> well
[01:57] <nikola> i know there is ogg support
[01:57] <nikola> and it didnt take any of my oggs either
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Apt-get the packages ubotu spat out
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Ah
[01:57] <DaSkreech> ....
[01:57] <excitatory> is there ever any reason to use the canonical repos?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> where did you put in this path?
[01:58] <pablo7> Ahmuck: the bluefish deb in fiesty will probably have unmet dependencies.
[01:58] <DaSkreech> nikola: as far as I know it's a tree view. Was that what you saw?
[01:58] <Thehound666> I did but not found, however was able to google 1 of them this time
[01:58] <Thehound666> with just the name.deb
[01:58] <nikola> whats a tree view?
[01:58] <Lynoure> excitatory: What would you use instead? Most of the repos are Canonical, I think (judging from how many were down when Canonical had a power problem)
[01:59] <nikola> (and how do you insert a space if the file name you are cd in has one?)
[01:59] <Lynoure> excitatory: If you only use unofficial packages from unofficial sources, less chance for support, more chance of breakage, and barely a Ubuntu.
[01:59] <DaSkreech> nikola: try a tab completion :)
[01:59] <DaSkreech> nikola: but before the space put a \
[02:00] <nikola> kewl :)
[02:00] <excitatory> Lynoure: well, specifically the http://archive.canonical.com/ repo.. but i will assume commercial means not public.
[02:00] <nikola> ya
[02:00] <nikola> its all there
[02:00] <nikola> its ALOT of music
[02:00] <DaSkreech> nikola: A tree view is where you have a folder hierarchy but no place to actually type in the name of the folder you are looking for
[02:01] <nikola> .........
[02:01] <Lynoure> excitatory: the commercial one has quite nice packages for Flash and some other stuff that are not in the default repos, if I recall right.
[02:01] <nikola> no idea
[02:01] <DaSkreech> nikola: Did you get a wizard the first time that Amarok opened?
[02:01] <nikola> -_- whats a wizard?
[02:01] <Ahmuck> i just built into /usr/local/bluefish-1.0.7
[02:01] <jarn> pablo7: Thanks.
[02:01] <DaSkreech> Ha ha hold on a second nikola let me see if  I can walk you through
[02:02] <excitatory> well.. one other question.. on the ubuntu wiki 'restricted formats' page, it used to list kubuntu specific packages to install.. now it seems either combined (maybe since edgy?) or somehow now only ubuntu (gnome) specific.. so what exactly is going on here?
[02:02] <pablo7> jarn: glad to help.
[02:03] <jarn> pablo7: It doesn't seem to work. It creates the file I tell it to redirect the output to, but it's empty.
[02:04] <jarn> pablo7: This is my string - "kstart --activate --desktop 5 wine /home/jarn/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Guild\ Wars/Gw.exe -perf > ~/gwoutput.txt"
[02:05] <Thehound666> still got the error after doing dpkg -i on the .deb and installing it
[02:05] <DaSkreech> nikola: ok Amarok: Settings -> configure amarok -> Collection
[02:05] <nikola> im there
[02:05] <DaSkreech> What do you see?
[02:05] <nikola> how do i change those things?
[02:05] <pablo7> sleepy495:  here's a review of 3 books http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061225020125627
[02:06] <Thehound666> I've been working on this for 3 hours :(
[02:06] <DaSkreech> nikola: What do you see there?
[02:06] <nikola> home and media
[02:06] <DaSkreech> And under media you don't see your mount?
[02:06] <nikola> just a CD
[02:06] <nikola> that i put inside
[02:06] <DaSkreech> >_<
[02:07] <DaSkreech> ok can You read !hidden
[02:07] <pablo7> jarn:  don't you know not to mix linux & windows?
[02:07] <DaSkreech> !hidden | nikola
[02:07] <ubotu> nikola: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[02:07] <nikola> .....
[02:07] <BTR> Hi, how do i associate my .torrent files with Ktorrent as default?
[02:07] <nikola> oh, ok
[02:07] <nikola> well anyways, brb
[02:07] <DaSkreech> nikola: It should solve your problem if you want incentive :)
[02:07] <jarn> pablo7: I'm not mixing windows. I just chose to use .txt because I like to.
[02:07] <nikola> mmk
[02:07] <jarn> pablo7: Except Wine.
[02:07] <pablo7> jarn:  take a look at your back slashes.
[02:08] <jarn> pablo7: What, it's the back slashes that are causing problems?
[02:08] <DaSkreech> nikola: mmk?
[02:08] <nikola> ok :P
[02:08] <pablo7> jarn:  yes, the linux shell takes these as escape sequences.
[02:08] <DaSkreech> Ohhhh mmmmm k
[02:09] <DaSkreech> as in California speak :)
[02:09] <nikola> lol
[02:09] <jarn> pablo7: Odd, that's how it auto-completed it when I hit the tab button.
[02:09] <joshua__> hey folks, I did this to install nvidia drivers: installed nvidia-glx, rebooted, ran: nvidia-xconfig, modprobed nvidia, ran nvidia-glx-config, rebooted, kdm will not start...
[02:09] <joshua__> thats how I did it in ubuntu... exactly and it worked
[02:10] <jarn> pablo7: Well, I took out the backslashes and put quotation marks around the entire thing and it still does the same thing as before. Nothing.
[02:10] <Minataku> jarn: Where there's an actual \ in the command line
[02:10] <Thehound666> ok so why am I still getting the same error? I installed the one from .deb package since apt-get won't work for me
[02:10] <Minataku> Use \\ instead
[02:10] <Minataku> That will escape then \ making it a literal \
[02:10] <DaSkreech> jarn: Just tuning in
[02:10] <jarn> I don't have a \ in it anymore.
[02:10] <DaSkreech> jarn: What is the problem?
[02:11] <Minataku> Hm...
[02:11] <jarn> DaSkreech: I'm trying to redirect wine output to a text file. It creates the file but it's empty.
[02:11] <Minataku> Your command line should do it right
[02:11] <Minataku> jarn: Oh
[02:11] <joshua__> anyone?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Hmm.
[02:11] <Minataku> Does WINE output to stdout or stderr?
[02:11] <jarn> I don't know.
[02:11] <Minataku> If it outputs the crap to stderr you need 2>
[02:11] <jarn> Is there a way to find out?
[02:11] <Minataku> Instead of >
[02:12] <Minataku> And restore the "\ "
[02:12] <Dr_willis> or use that typescript command.
[02:12] <Minataku> That escapes the space, that's okay
[02:12] <DaSkreech> jarn: What command are you using?
[02:12] <blackdog> does anyone have any docs on adjusting trackpad speeds?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> that will log everything to a file (i think) old skool command.
[02:12] <jarn> Minataku: Thanks! That did it.
[02:12] <Minataku> jarn: np
[02:12] <jarn> DaSkreech: I was using > but apparently I needed to use 2>
[02:13] <Xera> um
[02:13] <Minataku> I figured if > made an empty file then WINE was probably outputting the data to stderr not stdout
[02:13] <Xera> can't you use tee?
[02:13] <DaSkreech> joshua__: What does kdm say?
[02:13] <Xera> like: echo something | tee something.txt
[02:13] <pablo7> You learn something new everyday here at #kubuntu.
[02:13] <Minataku> Since starting stuff from a terminal usually mixes stdout and stderr into the one terminal
[02:13] <joshua__> DaSkreech: nothing, just a dark screen...
[02:13] <DaSkreech> joshua__: Well find the error :)
[02:13] <intelikey> so ubuntu's pastebin  "You appear to be spamming the pastebin. I hate spammers so I won't let you. If ynot attempting to spam, please enable javascript so you can pass the antispam ch"   nice another thing i have against ubuntu.
[02:14] <joshua__> DaSkreech: where?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> joshua__: How are you starting kdm?
[02:14] <joshua__> DaSkreech: I've tried by rebooting, as well ask "killall kdm"
[02:14] <Lynoure> intelikey: feel free to paste into your own site, or set a pastebin site that does not require that.
[02:15] <DaSkreech> joshua__: This is from terminal one?
[02:15] <joshua__> DaSkreech: yes
[02:15] <jarn> I didn't think there was a problem with the backslashes, since that's how it autocompleted it on tab.
[02:15] <jarn> Minataku: Thanks again. :D
[02:15] <DaSkreech> what's running on terminal 7?
[02:16] <Minataku> jarn: No problem
[02:16] <joshua__> DaSkreech: just a black screen
[02:16] <DaSkreech> is X running?
[02:16] <joshua__> DaSkreech: grep ps aux for xorg ?
[02:17] <intelikey> Lynoure pastebin.ca  maybe.
[02:17] <DaSkreech> joshua__: Sure
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Xorg I think
[02:18] <joshua__> DaSkreech: hmm doesnt look like it is
[02:18] <intelikey>  http://pastebin.ca/308913  yes pastebin.ca works without fail
[02:19] <DaSkreech> try a grep for just org
[02:19] <joshua__> DaSkreech: nothing
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Hmm sounds good
[02:19] <DaSkreech> try a startx
[02:20] <intelikey> and just fyi  javascript is and has been enabled.  there is an error on paste.ubuntu-nl.org   php error or something   java error i don't know.
[02:20] <will> Hey
[02:20] <will> I just installed kubuntu!
[02:20] <will> It's cool !
[02:20] <excitatory> well.. one other question.. on the ubuntu wiki 'restricted formats' page, it used to list kubuntu specific packages to install.. now it seems either combined (maybe since edgy?) or somehow now only ubuntu (gnome) specific.. could someone please explain what might be going on here?
[02:20] <BluesKaj> :)
[02:21] <will> But I only have an 8 meg on board so
[02:21] <DaSkreech> will: welcome
[02:21] <joshua__> DaSkreech: says no matching device for instance ... found ... an nvidia error
[02:21] <will> My question for you guys is ... I remember trying ubuntu
[02:21] <dartdog> somebody speak spanish?
[02:21] <DaSkreech> joshua__: Don't suppose you can pastebin the error :(
[02:21] <DaSkreech> !es
[02:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:21] <will> And There was this thing to download programs... and it auto installs them for me
[02:21] <dartdog> thanks...
[02:21] <will> I'm a complete linux noob sorray :D
[02:21] <DaSkreech> will: press Alt+space
[02:21] <will> Thanks!
[02:21] <joshua__> DaSkreech: erm wouldnt know how on console...
[02:21] <DaSkreech> will: type adept and press enter
[02:21] <BluesKaj> will, don't look at gnome pages . KDE all the way
[02:22] <DaSkreech> joshua__: Yeah I don't know either can you give me a better jist?
[02:22] <joshua__> hrmm
[02:22] <will> I just did alt space
[02:22] <DaSkreech> Hi BluesKaj
[02:22] <will> Nothing happened... katapult showed up
[02:22] <DaSkreech> type adept and press enter
[02:22] <will> in the console?
[02:22] <BluesKaj> hey DaSkreech, what's up ?
[02:23] <will> adept
[02:23] <DaSkreech> will: No when katapult comes up
[02:23] <will> k
[02:23] <intelikey> !adept
[02:23] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Alt+space -> type adept -> press enter
[02:23] <nikola> um
[02:23] <DaSkreech> nikola: hi
[02:23] <nikola> i have hidden files shown
[02:23] <nikola> already
[02:24] <joshua__> is there an automatix like app for kde where one doesnt need to install all those gnome libs?
[02:24] <will> Thanks guys!
[02:24] <will> YOu are way better then the hardcore dudes hehehe
[02:24] <DaSkreech> seriously?
[02:24] <angasule> ho
[02:24] <DaSkreech> >_<
[02:24] <DaSkreech> !adept | will
[02:24] <ubotu> will: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:24] <nikola> ya
[02:24] <intelikey> will don't insult me.  i am hardc0re
[02:24] <nikola> which is totally weird
[02:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: you can pastebin from the terminal?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, I got into a real dependency conundrum...damn java  is a tick off
[02:25] <joshua__> DaSkreech: weird I ran dpkg-reconfigure ... etc and it works now with nvidia...
[02:25] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: That and Flash Grrrrrrrr
[02:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech from console  yes always have.
[02:25] <DaSkreech> joshua__: Good to go!! :)
[02:25] <will> hehehe
[02:25] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I need a tutorial
[02:25] <nikola> well, its shown in konqueror at least
[02:25] <BluesKaj> yeah, the flash prob is behind me at least
[02:25] <will> I meant the hardcore guys that freak out and tell you to leave IRC rooms cause they think the new person doesn't deserve anything but exile
[02:26] <will> I'm looking for a music making program for kubuntu
[02:26] <Lynoure> will: That is "rude" not "hardcore"
[02:26] <will> I cant seem to find any with this adept thing
[02:26] <will> k hehehe
[02:26] <intelikey> apps gpm + elinks    but the w3m or what ever it is will work too   or links2 or lynx
[02:26] <intelikey> BluesKaj gpm is the key.
[02:26] <intelikey> !gpm
[02:26] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-22ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 500 kB
[02:26] <BluesKaj> will, some rooms have guys who just wanna strut their stuff. This room is realy very helpful most of the time :)
[02:26] <DaSkreech> will: How hardcore music making?
[02:27] <will> THanks blue :D
[02:27] <will> DaSkreech it doesnt really matter
[02:27] <will> I want to see what I can get
[02:27] <DaSkreech> try audacity
[02:28] <will> A good WavLAb or Soundforge type prog would be good
[02:28] <DaSkreech> !audacity
[02:28] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[02:28] <will> And any sequencer that is versitile
[02:28] <will> Like a TRACKER or something like ACID or SOnar
[02:28] <DaSkreech> will: I guess you don't know about universe huh?
[02:28] <intelikey> DaSkreech sorry that was at you not BluesKaj   my bad.
[02:28] <nikola> audacity is good
[02:28] <will> Universe?
[02:28] <nikola> fruity loops is better
[02:28] <nikola> is it for linux?
[02:28] <will> I heard there was an FL clone for Linux
[02:28] <BluesKaj> no will, stick around , you'll see what i mean. I'm still a noob but these guys have taught me a lot.
[02:29] <will> Awesome :D
[02:29] <DaSkreech> !repos | will
[02:29] <ubotu> will: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:29] <DaSkreech> will: read that
[02:29] <will> k
[02:31] <will> DaSkreech, is universe a sound prog ?
[02:31] <intelikey> :)
[02:31] <intelikey> !universe
[02:31] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:32] <Minataku> Hm...
[02:32] <Minataku> !
[02:32] <Minataku> Nothing XD
[02:32] <intelikey> !!
[02:32] <Minataku> lol
[02:32] <DaSkreech> will: did you read that page?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> !?
[02:32] <nikola> wow, everyone is askin you questions :P
[02:33] <DaSkreech> nikola: Who?
[02:33] <intelikey> it's filtered  but it still tries to read my favorite bash answer  !i
[02:33] <intelikey> !i
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <nikola> juz ppl in da chat, and i still dont get whats goin on with amarok -_-
[02:33] <intelikey> see  ^  ;/
[02:34] <DaSkreech> nikola: I'm trying to find out
[02:34] <will> I read the page
[02:34] <Minataku> Hm
[02:34] <will> Its how to use the adept manager :D
[02:34] <Minataku> !(null)
[02:34] <DaSkreech> intelikey: bash answer?
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about null) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <Minataku> Oooh, an anonomaly
[02:34] <intelikey> DaSkreech yeah
[02:34] <will> I keep typing in key words and finding nothing
[02:34] <will> Like SEQEUNCER
[02:34] <DaSkreech> will: Right so the applications you can install are broken into categories
[02:34] <BluesKaj> !Dash
[02:35] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[02:35] <will> QUENCER i mean
[02:35] <DaSkreech> intelikey: whats the question?
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> will: use www.google.com/linux
[02:35] <Xera> what the heck is dash?
[02:35] <Xera> :o
[02:35] <DaSkreech> will: You have main which is Ubuntu provided applications
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Xera: A shell
[02:35] <intelikey> DaSkreech bash code type answer to common question  " does anyone ....blah "   answer  " !i "
[02:35] <nikola_> where is the media folder located on konqueror
[02:35] <Xera> don't we have enough?
[02:35] <Xera> =p
[02:35] <nikola_> ah
[02:35] <nikola_> i see it
[02:35] <will> ANd what does main do ?
[02:35] <DaSkreech> will: And universe is mor programs that are open source that Ubuntu doesn't provide
[02:36] <DaSkreech> will: It's the list of programs that Ubuntu has "blessed"
[02:36] <nikola_> all i see is a folder called cdrom, a DVD icon called cdrom0 and a .hidden
[02:36] <DaSkreech> will: if you want more programs you can add them. Look in the bottom of adept how many packages are available?
[02:36] <Xera> nikola_: huh?
[02:36] <Xera> system:/media ?
[02:36] <nikola_> ya
[02:36] <Xera> hmm
[02:36] <nikola_> all i see are those things
[02:36] <Xera> try media:/
[02:36] <BluesKaj> Xera , dunno , i just wondered what the botinfo would have about it
[02:37] <DaSkreech> nikola_: try /media :)
[02:37] <Thehound666> ok someone gave me repositories and I got this. libsigc++-2.0-0c2a is alread
[02:37] <Thehound666> y the newest version
[02:37] <nikola_> i did
[02:37] <Xera> hmm
[02:37] <nikola_> :(
[02:37] <Thehound666> yet not found when compiling?
[02:37] <Xera> weird ^.-
[02:37] <nikola_> where would /mnt be?
[02:38] <Xera> uh?
[02:38] <nikola_> hahaha
[02:38] <nikola_> i see it
[02:38] <nikola_> lol
[02:38] <Xera> /mnt is in /mnt
[02:38] <Xera> lol
[02:38] <nikola_> ya
[02:38] <nikola_> :P
[02:38] <nikola_> ;)
[02:38] <Thehound666> this is just too much
[02:38] <nikola_> can i set this to a list kind?
[02:38] <intelikey> !b-e | Thehound666
[02:38] <ubotu> Thehound666: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:38] <nikola_> rather than icon?
[02:38] <Thehound666> I just want the thing to install
[02:38] <BluesKaj> heeheehoho, don't laff at ppl
[02:38] <Xera> nikola_: view
[02:38] <DaSkreech> nikola_: What do you see in konqueror when you type /
[02:38] <Thehound666> oh I did, the precompiled is 17 versions outdated
[02:39] <nikola_> just "/"?
[02:39] <DaSkreech> yup
[02:39] <nikola_> um
[02:39] <will> DaSkreech ionly have 400 available
[02:39] <nikola_> a bunch of stuff
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: ok back up
[02:39] <nikola_> 2 of which are not hidden
[02:39] <nikola_> home and media
[02:39] <intelikey> Thehound666 i don't care if it 1000000 versions out of date    does it work ?
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: What are you trying to get done?
[02:39] <nikola_> mnt is in there
[02:39] <Xera> how do i do that stretch icon thing like in gnome?
[02:39] <DaSkreech> will: ok in adept got Adept -> manage repos
[02:40] <intelikey> latest version crap.....   </grumbles>
[02:40] <vorpal> !msttcorefonts
[02:40] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[02:40] <will> ok
[02:40] <DaSkreech> nikola_: do you have a .hidden file?
[02:40] <excitatory> do the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats apply to kubuntu?  (i know they always used to, but the page has changed and now i'm not so sure)
[02:40] <Xera> !stretch
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stretch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <Xera> lol
[02:40] <DaSkreech> nikola_: You may have to show hidden files from the view menu
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !icon
[02:40] <will> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fs%2Fsoundtracker%2Fsoundtracker_0.6.7-5_i386.deb&md5sum=6d4e7144a634fc0dab5df3bbcc9014fb&arch=i386&type=main
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <nikola_> i did
[02:40] <DaSkreech> will: Ok do you see a list of lines?
[02:40] <nikola_> i see all of them
[02:40] <Xera> excitatory: works for me
[02:40] <will> I'm trying to install this program
[02:40] <nikola_> mnt is one of the hidden files
[02:40] <will> yes :D
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !mnt
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mnt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <Xera> !mount
[02:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:41] <nikola_> i also see bin, boot, cdrom, dev, etc, etc
[02:41] <intelikey> !mount
[02:41] <DaSkreech> nikola_: try and close amarok and reopen it hten
[02:41] <intelikey> oooops
[02:41] <nikola_> but amarok will only look in "media" and "home"
[02:41] <BluesKaj> too many ppl mounting
[02:41] <excitatory> Xera: have you looked at that page recently?  it used to list kde specific packages, but now it's either gnome specific or perhaps merged?
[02:41] <DaSkreech> will: Ok scroll down till you see a line with edgy universe at the end
[02:41] <nikola_> and mnt is in neither
[02:41] <nikola_> thats what i think the problem is
[02:41] <will> ok
[02:41] <Xera> excitatory: uh, well i used it like a week ago. did it change since then?
[02:41] <Xera> lol
[02:41] <Thehound666> rtorrent and libtorrent install from source
[02:41] <excitatory> Xera: fair enough
[02:42] <Thehound666> latest from repository is 0.5.3
[02:42] <intelikey> what the hell is that.    !mount points to Partitioning programs: ????   who's the idiot that did that ?
[02:42] <Thehound666> banned everywhere now
[02:42] <Xera> How to Make Things Work in a Hurry (for Ubuntu 6.06 and newer)
[02:42] <will> dbl click ?
[02:42] <Xera> click0r?
[02:42] <Xera> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui
[02:42] <Xera> lol
[02:42] <evert> newb question y'all
[02:42] <Xera> mmk
[02:42] <evert> during installation of kubuntu 6, i was never asked to set a root password
[02:42] <Thehound666> this missing error occurs on ./configure
[02:42] <Xera> you don't need to
[02:42] <evert> merely a user account password
[02:43] <intelikey> !root | evert
[02:43] <ubotu> evert: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:43] <Thehound666> sigc++
[02:43] <Xera> but, if you want to, run
[02:43] <Xera> sudo passwd
[02:43] <DaSkreech> will: what does the line say?
[02:43] <intelikey> evert                          ^
[02:43] <Xera> the sudo password is your user password
[02:43] <Thehound666> but it say I have latest libsigc++ when doing apt-get
[02:43] <evert> it is?
[02:43] <Xera> yes
[02:43] <nikola_> restarting amarok didnt change it -_-
[02:43] <DaSkreech> will: something like deb <url> edgy universe ?
[02:43] <Xera> if your user pass was 123, then sudo pass is 123
[02:43] <nikola_> is it because amarok wont see hidden files the way konqueror will?
[02:43] <will> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[02:43] <will> Thats what it says
[02:44] <evert> allright, lemme try that :)
[02:44] <nikola_> can i make hidden files "unhidden"?
[02:44] <will> edgy security
[02:44] <intelikey> evert      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo     you might want to read that anyway.
[02:45] <DaSkreech> will: Hmm go down a little more :0
[02:45] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:45] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  you refering to the /etc and so on folders? or the .hidden type files?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[02:45] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[02:46] <will> thats it
[02:46] <Dr_willis> and its a feautre that seems to irked a lot of people and is being disabled... :)
[02:46] <nikola_> the /etc folders
[02:46] <will> Cant go anymore daskreech
[02:46] <nikola_> i see the .hidden ones too
[02:46] <DaSkreech> will: Then go up :)
[02:46] <DaSkreech> you are looking for edgy universe
[02:46] <nikola_> but amarock doesnt
[02:46] <will> THe next one is
[02:46] <Dr_willis> i just type the full path :) i sort of like them hidden.. keeps the wife from getting lost.
[02:46] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: You can't in amarok
[02:46] <nikola_> ya
[02:46] <evert> Ahhhh. Okay i get it know
[02:47] <will> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[02:47] <nikola_> thats why im sad :(
[02:47] <evert> now, i mean
[02:47] <will> and it just say edgy
[02:47] <Thehound666> ok this is killing me. half the packages referred to at the help page are saying not found
[02:47] <evert> you cannot su, but using sudo you can perform su commands
[02:47] <Dr_willis> sudo -s  :)
[02:47] <evert> Thanx Xera!
[02:48] <Thehound666> actually every package is more accurate
[02:48] <Xera> evert: no problemo
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  you got your repositories set up right? for example what package?
[02:48] <Thehound666> let me see I'll paste one
[02:48] <Thehound666> sudo apt-get install autoconf
[02:48] <will> Oh cool awesome
[02:48] <will> I enabled them
[02:49] <will> And now I got like 19000 progs :D
[02:49] <will> Thanks DaSkreech
[02:49] <Thehound666> another  sudo apt-get install auto-apt
[02:49] <DaSkreech> will: Ok go back to it and I'll show you something else :)
[02:49] <intelikey> evert and beeing that i pointed you to that let me also assert  that  imo    the ubuntu way of having a 'root jr.' account via sudo is in many cases less secure than having a good root password   but it is ubunut policy to "never under any circumstances what so ever, set a root password"
[02:49] <will> k
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Find the same line and click on the word universe
[02:49] <intelikey> being ^
[02:49] <will> ok
[02:49] <DaSkreech> You should be able to edit it
[02:49] <DaSkreech> now put a space after universe and type multiverse
[02:50] <will> ok
[02:50] <DaSkreech> so that it looks like edgy universe multiverse
[02:50] <DaSkreech> then apply and fetch updatess
[02:50] <nikola_> OMG
[02:50] <nikola_> i dont know what i did :P
[02:50] <nikola_> i kinda clicked things
[02:50] <nikola_> aimlessless
[02:50] <nikola_> ly
[02:51] <nikola_> and now it sees it :P
[02:51] <Thehound666> I'm on default list all uncommented
[02:51] <intelikey> stab in the dark kills penguin     story at nine.
[02:51] <nikola_> and now it doesnt see it anymore :P
[02:51] <nikola_> amazing, huh?
[02:52] <DaSkreech> nikola_: did you get to set it before it vanished?
[02:52] <DaSkreech> will: How are you now?
[02:52] <nikola_> ya, BUT, it isnt doing anything, so i suppose it didnt work
[02:53] <nikola_> also, if i am trying to load into a playlist 80 GB from my other partition, when this one is only 20 GB, will i have any problems?
[02:53] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Eh?
[02:53] <evert> intelikey, I see your point, but being an absolute newb, im more concerned about getting everything to work properly then i am about security issues
[02:53] <nikola_> 80 GB of music
[02:53] <DaSkreech> You have a partition with 80 gb of music but your ~ is on a 20 GB partition?
[02:53] <nikola_> ya
[02:53] <evert> im not trying to be naive about security, but am desperate to... ehm... get on with it
[02:55] <intelikey> evert k one can always set a password until they have things configured the way they feel comfortable with then    as root    passwd -dl        to re-lock the account.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> "Lets Get it on!"
[02:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:55] <DaSkreech> nikola_: you are good
[02:55] <nikola_> just to get it to work -_-
[02:56] <nikola_> isnt there like, an easy way to make something visible?
[02:56] <nikola_> like, right click and say "BE VISIBLE" lol :P
[02:56] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  open one dir up in the file manager, drag drop to ya player?
[02:56] <nikola_> ill try
[02:56] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  or just link the dir to your /home/whatever/Mucak dir.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> and enjoy all that kenny G. goodness
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: do links work in a tree view?
[02:57] <nikola_> it wont let me type the address in amarok
[02:57] <intelikey> actually imo good secure passwords (20+ chars with letters upper and lower case, numbers, and symbles)   are never really a bad thing.
[02:57] <nikola_> it actually wont let me type anything :P
[02:57] <Dr_willis> I use the shell DaSkreech  :)
[02:58] <nikola_> same here, but will it work?
[02:58] <constantin> yallow
[02:58] <nikola_> just drag and drop to "configure collection"?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: no X?
[02:58] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  try it and see
[02:58] <nikola_> no, it wont let me
[02:58] <nikola_> :(
[02:59] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  dont want to kust remove that /.hidden file or whatever its called?
[02:59] <constantin> yallow
[02:59] <nikola_> would that work?
[02:59] <intelikey> constantin if that's a misspelling of a colour  then  rud to you.  :)
[02:59] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: apparently amarok doens't carea bout that
[02:59] <Thehound666> well I feel dumb, think I'll move my data onto windows
[02:59] <nikola_> constantin........... sounds like the name of a friend of mine :P
[02:59] <nikola_> lol
[03:00] <constantin> cool
[03:00] <constantin> tnx
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: You can seed stuff in ktorrent
[03:00] <yellowdog21> hei constantin nice name
[03:00] <Thehound666> apt-get is not finding 1 application on the page you referred me to
[03:00] <Thehound666> I was supposed to test rtorrent
[03:00] <constantin> ms yallowdog21
[03:00] <Thehound666> to see if it should be unbanned
[03:00] <yellowdog21> so how is nvida?
[03:01] <constantin> is better now
[03:01] <yellowdog21> nvidia driver?
[03:01] <yellowdog21> good
[03:01] <nikola_> is it safe to trash the .hidden file?
[03:01] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: HOld on it's in the repo but you can't install it?
[03:01] <intelikey> !offtopic
[03:01] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:01] <yellowdog21> o man is so hard in english
[03:01] <DaSkreech> nikola_: THought you said you did already
[03:01] <yellowdog21> English
[03:01] <Thehound666> supposedly
[03:01] <Thehound666> says not found
[03:01] <nikola_> not the file
[03:01] <DaSkreech> !rtorrent
[03:01] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[03:01] <Thehound666> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[03:01] <nikola_> haha
[03:02] <Thehound666> refers to a few packages
[03:02] <nikola_> access denied
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Do you have universe enabled?
[03:02] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Sudo
[03:02] <Thehound666> all are uncommented
[03:02] <Thehound666> sources.list
[03:02] <DaSkreech> nikola_: sudo mv it to something else
[03:02] <steveire> How do I know if my xorg.conf is written correctly to take advantage of 3d acceleration?
[03:02] <nikola_> sudo mv /trash?
[03:02] <nikola_> whats the trash adres?
[03:02] <Dr_willis> steveire,  run a 3d game?
[03:02] <intelikey> there is no /trash    unless you made one.
[03:03] <Thehound666> so yes, it's enabled but apt-get never finds anything
[03:03] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: What are you using to install?
[03:03] <steveire> Dr_willis: Yeah, but if it's slow I start trouble-shooting
[03:03] <nikola_> haha
[03:03] <nikola_> that worked
[03:03] <Dr_willis> steveire,  have you installed the proper 3d drivers yet?
[03:03] <Thehound666> trying to get the tools on the url I gave
[03:03] <nikola_> how do i empty trash?
[03:03] <DaSkreech> nikola_: I should kick you
[03:03] <Thehound666> compiling tools
[03:03] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  i normally holler at the kids to take out the trash. :)
[03:03] <nikola_> *dont hurt me*
[03:03] <nikola_> :P
[03:03] <nikola_> lol
[03:04] <DaSkreech> You said you did that already :-P
[03:04] <Thehound666> it instruct to type sudo apt-get install autoconf
[03:04] <Thehound666> not found
[03:04] <intelikey> nikola_ same way you did in M$    you right click the icon
[03:04] <Thehound666> sudo apt-get auto-apt
[03:04] <nikola_> it says its already empty
[03:04] <Thehound666> not found
[03:04] <nikola_> wateva
[03:04] <nikola_> at least i see the files now
[03:04] <steveire> Dr_willis: I'm not certain. I have linux-restricted-modules-generic, and I'm using the radeon driver. I understand AIGLX is already on it, and I have the use AIGLX option in my xorg with no errors reported.
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: You are doing this from the command line?
[03:04] <Thehound666> konsole
[03:04] <Thehound666> like always
[03:04] <Thehound666> it used to find things
[03:04] <Dr_willis> steveire,  i wouldent touch aiglx at all. :) good luck...
[03:04] <steveire> How do I know if the radeon driver is the right one to use?
[03:05] <Thehound666> but not I have to find .debs most of the time
[03:05] <steveire> Dr_willis: Why not?
[03:05] <nikola_> um
[03:05] <Thehound666> now*
[03:05] <nikola_> i clicked ok on the file
[03:05] <intelikey> !ati steveire
[03:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati steveire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:05] <intelikey> !ati | steveire
[03:05] <nikola_> nothing is happening
[03:05] <ubotu> steveire: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:06] <Thehound666> so how do I fix this? maybe then I'll get somewhere with rtorrent
[03:06] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: try apt-cache search rtorrent for me
[03:06] <nikola_> ok
[03:06] <nikola_> i didnt check mark it
[03:06] <nikola_> BAH
[03:06] <nikola_> haha
[03:06] <DaSkreech> nikola_: ha ha :)
[03:06] <nikola_> have fun scanning
[03:06] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Yeah I just go get something to eat
[03:06] <constantin> ptr nvidia   sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:06] <nikola_> i think ill go take a plane somewhere and be back here at 50%
[03:06] <DaSkreech> I have neatr 100Gb and it takes a good while
[03:07] <nikola_> WAHOO!
[03:07] <nikola_> 2%!
[03:07] <Thehound666> what did it do? it spit back no response
[03:07] <nikola_> ill go play some Wii
[03:07] <nikola_> c yall, ty
[03:07] <nikola_> *afk*
[03:07] <steveire> intelikey: lspci tells me I have a radeon 9100 IGP AGP. Does that mean it's unsupported (less than 9500)
[03:07] <constantin> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:07] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: really?
[03:07] <intelikey> !rtorrent
[03:07] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[03:07] <Thehound666> yes it asked password
[03:07] <intelikey> it's in universe
[03:07] <Thehound666> then nothing
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Put in your password
[03:08] <DaSkreech> ok
[03:08] <DaSkreech> apt-get update
[03:08] <Dr_willis> apt-get me a beer.
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Noooo
[03:08] <Xera> cd /dev/pub
[03:08] <Xera> more beer
[03:08] <DaSkreech> cd /pub
[03:08] <Xera> xD
[03:08] <Thehound666> that seems to be working on something
[03:08] <DaSkreech> more beer
[03:08] <Xera> DaSkreech: got it before you
[03:08] <Xera> ;o
[03:08] <constantin> :))
[03:09] <Dr_willis> mv food /moutn/
[03:09] <Xera> lol
[03:09] <intelikey> steveire i would suppose so.  i don't have ati so i'm not fameliar with the support or process of installing.
[03:09] <DaSkreech> See if I hadn't practiced it before you I'd have been coherent enough to *burp* *passes out*
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: When it's done try the apt-cache search again
[03:10] <steveire> intelikey: Alright. Are NVidia cards the ones to go for if you want linux compatibility?
[03:10] <intelikey> Dr_willis what i should apt-get install that beer or just wget it ?
[03:10] <DaSkreech> steveire: Currently though ATI is changing that a lot
[03:10] <DaSkreech> steveire: Though honestly intel is beating them both
[03:10] <Dr_willis> sssssssshhhhhhlurp beer
[03:10] <steveire> DaSkreech: Really? How open source drivers? (RE ATI)
[03:10] <DaSkreech> They open source the drivers
[03:11] <intelikey> steveire no not really.     but nvidia is better supported   or  at least easier to deal with than ati.
[03:11] <Thehound666> ok but it is very old rtorrent still'
[03:11] <DaSkreech> steveire: no ATI just has actually looked at LInux now instead of sweeping crumbs under the table at us
[03:11] <Thehound666> banned at all my trackers
[03:11] <Thehound666> because of age
[03:11] <Dr_willis> heh.
[03:11] <DaSkreech> ha ha really?
[03:11] <intelikey> steveire look for something that doesn't have to have propritary drivers...
[03:11] <DaSkreech> !rtorrent feisty
[03:11] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6.4-1 (feisty), package size 314 kB, installed size 860 kB
[03:11] <Thehound666> yes it gets 0.5.3
[03:11] <nikola_> whats a Kbfx theme?
[03:11] <Thehound666> minimum at most 0.6.4
[03:12] <Thehound666> current 0.7.1
[03:12] <Dr_willis> !info kbfx
[03:12] <DaSkreech> Woah Debian is really behind
[03:12] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.9.1+20060611cvs-1 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[03:12] <steveire> Ah. How can Intel open-source their drivers and the others can't? How do they keep the working secrets of their cards secter?
[03:12] <Thehound666> why I need to compile
[03:12] <DaSkreech> steveire: Much older technology
[03:13] <steveire> Hmm, not a great reason to buy.
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Ok well now that you have updated you should be able to find more packages and you should be having an easier time of it
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: First thing is apt-get install build-essential
[03:13] <Thehound666> thanks. I hope this works so I don't have to tell my staff I'm dumb
[03:13] <Thehound666> lol
[03:14] <DaSkreech> steveire: It was till they started open sourcing actuall 3d stuff. It works surprisingly well
[03:14] <DaSkreech> steveire: In Linux terms :)
[03:14] <steveire> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver#head-363954c23963c39e3a7d633c7ad8667c8e0949c9 <<< This says the 9100 has full te support under the radeon driver.
[03:14] <steveire> I'll look into intel I suppose.
[03:14] <intelikey> steveire they all could.... it's a money game.    older technology doesn't mean less functional or slower.       it can be that but even a thing slightly less functional that you can use all it's functions is better than something you can't use....    "a living dog is greater than a dead lion"   <soloman>
[03:15] <nikola_> how do you instal a kbfx theme?
[03:15] <steveire> s/te/3d/
[03:15] <DaSkreech> steveire: For the record intel has open specs and open drivers so you can expect full support and long support
[03:15] <steveire> dunno how that happened.
[03:16] <DaSkreech> nvida has closed * but the drivers support GL_EXT_texture_on_pixmap so you can do some fancy stuff
[03:16] <DaSkreech>  ATI has closed * but doesn't support <see string above> so is a little less functional
[03:17] <steveire> That might be what makes water effects not work with beryl
[03:17] <constantin> ubuntu
[03:19] <constantin> kubuntu
[03:20] <intelikey> constantin what are you trying to do ?
[03:20] <nikola_> i dloaded a kbfx theme, and its just a folder named "theme" will a whole bunch of pngs in side it..... how do i install it? :P
[03:21] <intelikey> !away | xera
[03:21] <ubotu> xera: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[03:21] <xera> i cant turn it off just because i use freenode lol..
[03:22] <intelikey> no but you can add insult to injury  all you like i suppose.
[03:22] <constantin> ls cdrom0
[03:23] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  check ghe kbfx homwpage/docs perhaps it has a config tool?
[03:23] <intelikey> constantin that will probably work if you prepend  /exec
[03:23] <constantin> yes
[03:23] <intelikey> constantin but it's not good practice to use the irc client for a shell cause you will sooner or later flood the channel that way.
[03:24] <constantin> view cd in command ls cdrom0
[03:24] <intelikey> only in that dir.    tyr   ls /media/cdrom0
[03:24] <intelikey> try
[03:25] <nikola_> where is that?
[03:25] <constantin> for image cd what command?
[03:25] <constantin> in terminal
[03:26] <intelikey> same   ls = list    any mounted fs  any dir.
[03:26] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Where is?
[03:26] <constantin> is comuniti
[03:26] <constantin> comunity ubuntu
[03:26] <nikola_> ghe kbfx homwpage/docs
[03:26] <nikola_> ghe kbfx homepage/docs
[03:26] <constantin>  questions=answer
[03:27] <excitatory> could someone please recommend an online photo album service?  possibly even something which integrates with digikam..
[03:28] <Dr_willis> google has that hello thang. then theres flickr
[03:28] <intelikey> something like myspace  ?
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Flickr?
[03:29] <Dr_willis> nikola_,  you never heard of google.com eh?
[03:29] <intelikey> google what's that ?
[03:29] <nikola_> thats what i just did :P
[03:30] <intelikey> i thought that internet and irc were mutually exclusive...
[03:32] <intelikey> if i be mad then
[03:32] <nikola_> will this playlist be permanent?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> nikola_: I hope not
[03:34] <DaSkreech>  that would get dull
[03:34] <nikola_> how so?
[03:34] <Thehound666> I got everything but still the error, maybe English needs to be made out of this little bit
[03:34] <nikola_> i dont wanna have to scan everything again the next time i boot
[03:34] <DaSkreech> YOu couldn't change it that would be what you listen to forever more
[03:34] <Thehound666> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[03:34] <Thehound666> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[03:34] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Collection != playlist
[03:35] <nikola_> i know
[03:35] <nikola_> :P
[03:35] <nikola_> i can save it as a playlist right?
[03:35] <intelikey> bash: syntax error expecting `fi'
[03:35] <DaSkreech> nikola_: No need to it's always one playlist away
[03:35] <intelikey> nikola_ you can.  but why ?
[03:36] <nikola_> i wont need to rescan when i boot will i?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Look under playlists -> smart playlists -> collection -> all collection
[03:36] <nikola_> has anyone had problems with the fans on an imac g5?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> nikola_: It will rescan but nothing like this. it just checks to see if you added new media and adds that in
[03:36] <nikola_> mine always blow so hard when in kubuntu
[03:36] <DaSkreech> It's like a 7 second pause
[03:37] <kaeru> I'm having trouble connecting to wireless on my new laptop. I've tried using iwconfig to manually enter correct settings but I can't connect,
[03:37] <nikola_> how do i make my partition mount on startup?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> !fstab
[03:37] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:37] <DaSkreech> nikola_: read up :)
[03:37] <nikola_> mmk
[03:37] <Thehound666> has anyone here beyond all possibility gotten the sigc++ error when installing libtorrent and manged to kill it?
[03:37] <Thehound666> managed*
[03:38] <DaSkreech> !find sigc
[03:38] <ubotu> Found: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a, libsigc++-2.0-dev, libsigc++-2.0-doc, libsigc++-1.2-5c2, libsigc++-1.2-dev (and 9 others)
[03:38] <Thehound666> on the configure part
[03:38] <Thehound666> I said apt-get first one'
[03:38] <DaSkreech> !libsigc++-2.000c2a
[03:38] <Thehound666> said I had latest
[03:38] <intelikey> 
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Right
[03:38] <intelikey> oops    cleaning mouse.
[03:38] <DaSkreech> :)
[03:38] <Thehound666> do I need that and the (9 others)?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> No
[03:39] <DaSkreech> you may need the second one
[03:40] <intelikey> 
[03:40] <intelikey> 
[03:40] <dsmith> thieves suck!
[03:41] <intelikey> 
[03:41] <osiris> is dapper no longer being supported ? It seems like all the repo's are disappearing
[03:41] <intelikey> !dapper
[03:41] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: You are compiling correct?
[03:41] <intelikey> !lts
[03:41] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:41] <DaSkreech> !feisty
[03:41] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[03:41] <Thehound666> I think so
[03:41] <Thehound666> it goes all the way and dies there
[03:42] <osiris> i know its supposed to be LTS, but i dont see crap comming for updates
[03:42] <nikola_> ok
[03:42] <Thehound666> the first package is not found
[03:42] <Thehound666> now
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: install the -dev package
[03:42] <nikola_> i have a problem with the theme i dloaded
[03:42] <nikola_> it wont let me extract it
[03:42] <nikola_> ................
[03:42] <Thehound666> second says broken
[03:42] <nikola_> ark wont
[03:42] <intelikey> osiris what do you think needs updated ?
[03:42] <Thehound666> I'll show you
[03:43] <Thehound666> libsigc++-2.0-dev: Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (= 2.0.16-3) but 2.0.17-2 is to be installed
[03:43] <osiris> intelikey, it's not what i need i guess.  ITs just that every 3rd update or so, another repo no longer exists.
[03:43] <osiris> also
[03:43] <intelikey> osiris i know kweather is borked.   and kde has a bug that they don't intend to fix....
[03:43] <Thehound666> E: Broken packages
[03:43] <intelikey> repos ? which repos ?
[03:44] <Thehound666> even tells me I should file a bug report against them
[03:44] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/7Q94Mi33.nln.html
[03:44] <steveire> Thehound666: Try out the kconfigure package.
[03:45] <DaSkreech> you installed libsigc++-2.0-0c2a
[03:45] <Thehound666> done
[03:45] <DaSkreech> ok
[03:45] <DaSkreech> try the dev again
[03:47] <Thehound666> same
[03:47] <Thehound666> it occurs with apt-get
[03:48] <Thehound666> what does broken mean?
[03:48] <Thehound666> failed checksum?
[03:48] <osiris> intelikey, any idea on that rafb paste ?
[03:48] <intelikey> osiris those failed to fetch look more like a bad bzip2 file header than a missing repo    but you should probably check in #ubuntu    and see what they say also.
[03:48] <will> Does kubuntu have firefox built in ?
[03:49] <will> IS there a way to make the built in browser compatable with gmail ?
[03:49] <intelikey> the duplicate entries   that just what it says    nothing wrong online that's in the /etc/apt/sources.list   file
[03:49] <osiris> will install firefox yourself
[03:49] <intelikey> will adept
[03:50] <osiris> sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:50] <intelikey> will or   sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:50] <DaSkreech> will: go to tools -> browser identifucation -> Othr _> Firefox 1.5.0.1
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Gmail suddenly works!
[03:50] <intelikey> DaSkreech oh konq could lie to it i guess   :)
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: It means something will break if you install it
[03:51] <DaSkreech> will: Nice trick
[03:51] <nikola_> ok
[03:51] <steveire> DaSkreech: Gmail chat doesn't work with konqi.
[03:51] <nikola_> i dont get this
[03:51] <Thehound666> this seems so impossible
[03:51] <nikola_> it says: amarok doesnt play mp3s, install mp3 support?
[03:51] <nikola_> so i click yes
[03:51] <nikola_> and it installs
[03:51] <nikola_> so i try and play again
[03:52] <nikola_> and it doesnt work
[03:52] <DaSkreech> steveire: Yeah but I wouldn't use it in Firefox either
[03:52] <intelikey> what is Thehound666 trying to install anyway?
[03:52] <nikola_> it wants me to install it again
[03:52] <DaSkreech> rtorrent
[03:52] <DaSkreech> the version they have in feisty is too old so he's compiling
[03:52] <steveire> DaSkreech: I haven't got ff. Too slow. I have opera, but use it only for gmail. What a waste...
[03:52] <DaSkreech>  assuming Thehound666 is male :)
[03:52] <Thehound666> rtorrent
[03:52] <intelikey> !mp3 | nikola_
[03:52] <ubotu> nikola_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:53] <steveire> nikola_: Try stopping and restarting amarok
[03:53] <steveire> Did you solve your theme issue?
[03:53] <Thehound666> why can't I remove libsigc++?
[03:53] <Thehound666> in synaptic now
[03:53] <DaSkreech> what is it saying?
[03:53] <intelikey> !fisty | Thehound666
[03:53] <Thehound666> nvm. it seems ok now
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <Thehound666> was shaded out a sec ago
[03:54] <intelikey>  Thehound666  /join #ubuntu+1
[03:54] <intelikey> !feisty
[03:54] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[03:54] <nikola_> omg
[03:54] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That version is too old
[03:54] <nikola_> there was an error installing mp3 support
[03:54] <nikola_> *sigh*
[03:55] <DaSkreech> nikola_: :) Ok want help in installing?
[03:55] <nikola_> ya :P
[03:55] <Thehound666> what is this channel for? in relation to my issue
[03:55] <DaSkreech> ok you need to add in multiverse in adept
[03:55] <nikola_> it asked me
[03:55] <nikola_> if i wanna dload from there
[03:55] <nikola_> so i said yes
[03:55] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That's really not going to help him out
[03:55] <DaSkreech> nikola_: it being ..?
[03:56] <intelikey> DaSkreech has nothing to do with a version     has everything to do with the fact that feisty is not supported here yet.
[03:56] <nikola_> some window that popped up?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> intelikey: He's not on feisty
[03:56] <Thehound666> oh I'm not on feisty
[03:56] <DaSkreech> nikola_: From adept?
[03:56] <Thehound666> I'm on edgy
[03:56] <intelikey> ok.
[03:56] <intelikey> i misread that then.
[03:56] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I was just saying that even if he was the version there is too old
[03:57] <DaSkreech> so he HAS to compile it
[03:57] <intelikey> i see.
[03:57] <DaSkreech> Ok we are all on the same page then :)
[03:57] <nikola_> ok
[03:57] <intelikey> installed b-e ?
[03:57] <DaSkreech> He has a problem with getting a build environment then :)
[03:57] <nikola_> now it crashes when i tell it to play an mp3
[03:57] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Wait wait wait
[03:57] <intelikey> !b-e
[03:57] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:57] <Thehound666> is remving libsigc++ a safe idea?
[03:57] <DaSkreech> nikola_: What is going on? :) what popped up a dialog?
[03:58] <nikola_> it worx
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Ah >_<
[03:58] <intelikey> Thehound666 look at the list of things it will take with it,  if any.
[03:58] <DaSkreech> I don't jnow anymore what's the going on!
[03:59] <Thehound666> aptitude
[03:59] <Thehound666> ubuntu-minimal
[03:59] <intelikey> Thehound666 you did install build-essential didn't you ?
[03:59] <Thehound666> long time ago
[03:59] <will> When I find a program
[03:59] <DaSkreech> will: Yup?
[03:59] <will> Then I install the package ... where do i find it ?
[03:59] <intelikey> just trying to cover the bases
[03:59] <Thehound666> that was something that cooperated
[04:00] <intelikey> what compile time error do you get ?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> will: in general you can find Gui Apps in the K-Menu and CLI apps by pressing Alt+F2 and typing in the name
[04:01] <intelikey> alt+f2 will open a konsole for things like ls ?
[04:01] <Thehound666> I get not found on sigc++-2.0
[04:01] <Thehound666> even though 1 piece is installed
[04:01] <Thehound666> the -dev is broken
[04:01] <dsmith> whats the command for checking system clock?
[04:01] <intelikey> date
[04:01] <Thehound666> on ./configure it occurs
[04:01] <jarn> How does chmod work? I did 'sudo chmod -R u+rw <folder name>' and it did nothing. I still need to be root to access the files.
[04:01] <nikola_> so
[04:01] <dsmith> <----duh!
[04:01] <dsmith> lol
[04:01] <nikola_> thats ONE thing i fixed today
[04:01] <nikola_> music
[04:01] <nikola_> lol
[04:02] <intelikey> Thehound666 hmmm k let me think a minute.
[04:02] <dsmith> I should have remembered date
[04:02] <steveire> will: What program?
[04:02] <DaSkreech> intelikey: If you select open in terminal
[04:02] <intelikey> then you might want to mention that one the   alt+f2  for cli apps    line  :)
[04:02] <DaSkreech> jarn: who owns the folder?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> nikola_: mp3 works?
[04:03] <will> Cool it worked !
[04:03] <nikola_> ya
[04:03] <will> But how do I  make a shortcut on my desktop ?
[04:03] <jarn> DaSkreech: How do I check?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> will: Of course :)
[04:03] <nikola_> *wheww*
[04:03] <DaSkreech> jarn: I assume you are using the command line?
[04:03] <Thehound666> tried it from synaptic
[04:03] <jarn> Yes.
[04:03] <DaSkreech> nikola_: What else you need working?
[04:03] <intelikey> Thehound666 what does   sudo apt-get install libsigc++-2.0-dev        say ?
[04:03] <Thehound666> it says unresolvable dependancies
[04:04] <DaSkreech> will: What application is it?
[04:04] <Thehound666> try adding repositories
[04:04] <will> soundtracker
[04:04] <Thehound666> tells me it's broken
[04:04] <DaSkreech> will: is it in the K-menu?
[04:05] <will> I dont see it
[04:05] <will> Like the START BUTTON ?
[04:05] <jarn> DaSkreech: Ah, I got it figured out. I just needed to chown it. Thanks!
[04:05] <will> It's not in any of the tabs
[04:05] <DaSkreech> will: Yes the start button
[04:06] <DaSkreech> jarn: root owned it right?
[04:06] <Thehound666> here got it again
[04:06] <Thehound666> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:06] <Thehound666>   libsigc++-2.0-dev: Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (= 2.0.16-3) but 2.0.17-2 is to be installed
[04:06] <Thehound666> E: Broken packages
[04:06] <will> DaSkreech, it doesnt show it
[04:06] <DaSkreech> jarn: You can ls -l to see who owns it btw
[04:06] <DaSkreech> will: Ok
[04:06] <Dr_willis> !info libsigc++-2.0-0c2a
[04:06] <intelikey> Thehound666 i don't have edgy i have dapped but i just did             Unpacking libsigc++-2.0-dev (from .../libsigc++-2.0-dev_2.0.16-3_i386.deb) ...
[04:06] <intelikey> Setting up libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (2.0.16-3) ...
[04:06] <intelikey> Setting up libsigc++-2.0-dev (2.0.16-3) ...
[04:06] <ubotu> libsigc++-2.0-0c2a: type-safe Signal Framework for C++ - runtime. In component main, is important. Version 2.0.16-3 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 88 kB
[04:07] <intelikey> no errors on dapper.....
[04:07] <Dr_willis> Heh heh - see the " is imporntant' :)
[04:07] <Dr_willis> lol
[04:07] <will> SO how do I make a shortcut on my desktop to an application ?
[04:07] <Dr_willis> will,  you can make a desktop launcher for an application
[04:08] <Thehound666> so what is the root of this? seems like my sigc++ is too new for the dev
[04:08] <Dr_willis> not actally a 'shortcut'
[04:08] <DaSkreech> will: I'd tell you but mine never work :( I know you start with Right click Create Launcher
[04:08] <Dr_willis> or drag an item from the Kmenu, to the desktop (use copy) then edit the icon and what it launches
[04:08] <intelikey> Thehound666 yeah looks like a bug in the package
[04:08] <Dr_willis> I perfer to drag them to the Panel.
[04:08] <intelikey> !bug | Thehound666
[04:08] <ubotu> Thehound666: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:09] <Thehound666> well did see this before the actual error
[04:09] <Thehound666> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[04:09] <Thehound666> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[04:09] <Thehound666> that package should be filed.
[04:09] <Thehound666> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[04:09] <will> k
[04:10] <Thehound666> then it's what I pasted you
[04:11] <intelikey> Thehound666 yep.     you are wanting to compile the "latest" rtorrent on the latest *buntu   but an older *buntu would probably work...    one of the ironies of "latest"   ;/
[04:12] <Thehound666> yeah but downgrading would be erasing 400 GB of data or moving it
[04:12] <Thehound666> :(
[04:12] <DaSkreech> will: Though Dr_willisdoesn't use X he might be able to help you more than I
[04:12] <DaSkreech> nikola_: What else do you want to get done?
[04:12] <Thehound666> unless I can somehow keep my data where it is
[04:12] <intelikey> Thehound666 i'm not totaly convinced that you need the dev package anyway     the error from the ./configure  didn't say 'dev' did it ?
[04:12] <Thehound666> no
[04:12] <Thehound666> but synaptic said it's installed
[04:13] <Thehound666> the non dev
[04:13] <dsmith> has anyone ever used yahoo messenger on buntu's?
[04:14] <dsmith> er...wait GAIM would work...but I like the audio chat
[04:14] <Thehound666> spyware, just use Kopete
[04:14] <will> Whats the best FTP program for kubuntu
[04:14] <intelikey> ummmm wait    sigc++    or libsigc++  ?
[04:14] <dsmith> filezilla?
[04:14] <Thehound666> sigc++
[04:14] <intelikey> !find sigc++
[04:14] <ubotu> Found: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a, libsigc++-2.0-dev, libsigc++-2.0-doc, libsigc++-1.2-5c2, libsigc++-1.2-dev (and 9 others)
[04:14] <DaSkreech> dsmith: if you mean the Yahoo meesenger client provided by yahoo then the answer is yes. If you mean using the Yahoo messenger protocol the naswer is yes :)
[04:14] <Thehound666> in the error
[04:14] <intelikey> i'm not seeing a package of   sigc++   ???
[04:14] <dsmith> ok DaSkreech
[04:14] <DaSkreech> !ftp | will: this might help
[04:14] <ubotu> will: this might help: FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[04:15] <Thehound666> ok so it means I have to compile c++ too?
[04:15] <draik> What do I need to SSH from my desktop to my laptop on my home network?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> intelikey: yeah they are always in lib is eems
[04:15] <Thehound666> sigc++
[04:15] <DaSkreech> it seems
[04:15] <dsmith> fireftp from firefox works as well
[04:15] <dsmith> er.. fireftp extension, FOR firefox
[04:16] <intelikey> DaSkreech you saying the error message is misleading ?
[04:16] <draik> I use fireftp and it works well for me for those instant uploads
[04:16] <Thehound666> so am I fixable or should I remove everything I tried using for this?
[04:18] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I'm not sure. but I would think that sigc++ would be a lib
[04:18] <intelikey> Thehound666 this problem is not kde specific at all    you should also ask in #ubuntu   and show a url to the pastebin of the error for the configure and the apt-get   on one paste     and see if any of the developers take notice.
[04:19] <Thehound666> yeah thanks for all the help. I do appreciate it. This has just been very frustrating
[04:19] <intelikey> DaSkreech well i was thinking that but the error was for not found  sigc++      not  libsigc++    which could be lazy coding  of course.   but also could be an actual differance.
[04:19] <dsmith> bahhh...GAIM is better
[04:19] <draik> What do I need to SSH on my home network?
[04:19] <intelikey> Thehound666 understandable.
[04:20] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Yeah but I don't see a sigc++ and rtorrent packages seems rarely updated at best
[04:20] <dsmith> oh wait so is kopete
[04:20] <intelikey> openssh-server draik
[04:20] <DaSkreech> draik: if you want to log in then install ssh
[04:20] <DaSkreech> to ssh out you already have everything you need
[04:20] <draik> thank you intelikey and DaSkreech
[04:21] <FFForever> why is apt so so so slow lately?, just a few weeks ago it was fine, but now i get 5309B/s :/
[04:21] <intelikey> draik on the box you want to ssh into.   install the server package     'ssh' is a meta package that installes both  openssh-server  and openssh-client
[04:21] <intelikey> you can use it.
[04:21] <intelikey> but no need on the client end.
[04:22] <draik> Thank you intelikey
[04:22] <intelikey> you bet
[04:22] <draik> intelikey:
[04:22] <FFForever> anyone???
[04:22] <draik> Whoops...
[04:22] <intelikey> ?
[04:23] <kaeru> Could somone help me connect to my wireless ap? Kubuntu detects and installed the driver for my interface and I can see netwoks but cannot conntect
[04:23] <draik> intelikey: I nuked the hdd on my laptop and its ALL Kubuntu... ALL the time
[04:24] <dsmith> a lil' nukie, never hurt anyone.. :P
[04:24] <draik> and now I just want to be able to get in a pull some files back and forth
[04:24] <draik> *get in AND pull...
[04:24] <Minataku> I wonder where genii is
[04:24] <intelikey> draik ok.    glad it's linux   the distro is not so impressive to me but   i'm glad it's linux  :)
[04:25] <intelikey> draik man scp
[04:25] <intelikey> you'll be wanting it.
[04:26] <DaSkreech> FFForever: Probably it's on holiday?
[04:27] <draik> intelikey: I have another friend that has Kubuntu on his desktop because I introduced him to it and he's enjoying it. A supervisor from work wants me to dual boot his desktop with Kubuntu just as soon as he buys a bigger HDD
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Dink: Hiya
[04:27] <draik> intelikey: regarding scp: I know about it.
[04:27] <Thehound666> ahhh noticed something after all this time, synaptic marks things that came with the os
[04:27] <Thehound666> so you know what not to remove
[04:28] <Thehound666> what a n00b I am lol
[04:28] <DaSkreech> I know a company that wants to go full time linux
[04:28] <intelikey> draik nice   :)
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu looks  good on a desktop at the front desk :)
[04:29] <intelikey> DaSkreech    a lot more people would use linux if they only knew about it.
[04:29] <Thehound666> not for gaming but a superb way to recycle an old computer
[04:29] <Thehound666> or use if you need a stable computer
[04:29] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Yeah but a whole bag of people know about it and hate it and they detract a lot of folks
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Gaming is great on linux :)
[04:30] <osiris> anyone know the name of that Ncurses based service manager. (edit runlevels)
[04:30] <Thehound666> where do I find titles?
[04:30] <Thehound666> I'd be interested in trying it
[04:31] <Thehound666> I know OpenGL kills DirectX but didn't think any companies supported Linux gaming
[04:31] <intelikey> google linux game tome
[04:31] <Thehound666> :)
[04:32] <intelikey> osiris update-rc.d   ?
[04:32] <intelikey> not sure that's what you want.
[04:32] <osiris> intelikey, doesnt sound right
[04:32] <pipegeek> Howdy
[04:33] <osiris> Hawkwind, what was the name of the ncurses runlevel editor
[04:33] <intelikey> but it's the *buntu script for messing with startup services osiris
[04:33] <osiris> you told me about it once
[04:33] <DarkMageZ> idsoftware has linux ports of their games
[04:33] <DarkMageZ> the unreal tournamement series were also ported
[04:33] <intelikey> back in a few
[04:34] <pipegeek> Running kubuntu edgy.  I've got the mildly annoying problem that file browsing windows open waaaay to large.  My desktop is at 1600x1200, and, until it is resized, a newly opened file browsing window will take up 3/4 of that.
[04:35] <pipegeek> I've already changed the size in the file browsing view profile, but, for some reason, that hasn't fixed it for folders on remote filesystems.  Any ideas?
[04:35] <pipegeek> err.  *too large.  Not to.
[04:35] <Thehound666> for now my ktorrent won't be outdated because ktorrent provides .deb even if the repository falls behind to last year
[04:35] <Thehound666> :P
[04:36] <pipegeek> For that matter, the "view profile" options are entirely absent from konqueror's settings menu for folders on remote filesystems.
[04:36] <Thehound666> one of my machines is testing 2.1 rc1
[04:36] <DarkMageZ> does anyone know if i update my ktorrent from 2.0 to 2.1 if my torrents will be ok? or should i finish them and then update
[04:36] <osiris> should be ok
[04:36] <robotgeek> yeah
[04:37] <Thehound666> yes, but you might have to reload them
[04:37] <Thehound666> about the worst that would happen
[04:37] <DarkMageZ> k, i'll take the risk
[04:38] <osiris> gotta love the ipfilter in ktorrent
[04:38] <osiris> and the bandwidth scheduler
[04:38] <Thehound666> assuming of course because I installed 2.1 on a seperate test machine
[04:38] <Thehound666> seems very stable
[04:41] <Thehound666> if you have windows too and want to test Linux stuff, VMWare ftw
[04:41] <Thehound666> not sure how Linux version is
[04:41] <Thehound666> I tested Kubuntu on VMware first
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: http://www.happypenguin.org
[04:42] <coreymon77> Thehound666: do you know have full kubuntu?
[04:45] <intelikey> k-now is kde spelling of now  where as  g-now would be....
[04:45] <intelikey> mever mind.
[04:46] <DaSkreech> e-now?
[04:49] <intelikey> x-now too
[04:49] <DaSkreech> i-now?
[04:49] <pipegeek> just asked in #kde, and a guy using vanilla kde couldn't reproduce my problem.  I'm curious if someone here could.
[04:50] <intelikey> know gnow DaSkreech lets not get carried away xnow
[04:50] <pipegeek> I'd be very grateful
[04:50] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Ha you didn't say enow :)
[04:50] <Thehound666> I chose distros by using VMWare to install on the 2nd pc. I was able to run 4 distros at once without much lag
[04:50] <Thehound666> was pretty sweet
[04:50] <intelikey> i didn't intend too
[04:50] <soulrider> hi everyone
[04:50] <intelikey> pipegeek nope we can't.
[04:51] <DaSkreech> pipegeek: I know that some menus were taken out of Kubuntu
[04:51] <Thehound666> btw do those games need compiling?
[04:51] <soulrider> Thehound666: and im assuming you kept kubuntu :)
[04:51] <Thehound666> yup
[04:51] <intelikey> Thehound666 some will some wont
[04:51] <intelikey> Thehound666 some will be in the repos
[04:52] <intelikey> apt-cache search game | less
[04:52] <soulrider> Thehound666: what is on the repos you dont have to compile
[04:52] <soulrider> if you get the source, you will have to
[04:52] <pipegeek> DaSkreech: I was wrong about the "profile" options disappearing specifically in folders on remote filesystems: I have konqueror set to open folders in new windows, and ALL folders opened in this way lack those options (and the sidebar, which is enabled in the file browsing profile)
[04:52] <DarkMageZ> if you find any good games, tell me :)
[04:52] <Thehound666> yeah this was my third compile
[04:52] <Thehound666> first 2 went smooth
[04:52] <Thehound666> this one was a nightmare
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Some of them. What kind of games do you like?
[04:53] <Thehound666> RPGs especially
[04:53] <soulrider> Thehound666: i like RPGs too
[04:53] <pipegeek> DaSkreech: This is a fresh install, and this behaviour seems a little odd.... ought I to file a bug?
[04:53] <intelikey> nethacks ?
[04:53] <soulrider> i had to isnatll widnows just to play knights of the old republic
[04:53] <Thehound666> hehehe I need Windows for my fav
[04:53] <Thehound666> WINE don't cut it
[04:54] <Thehound666> Final Fantasy XI
[04:54] <Thehound666> winehq said compatibility rubbish
[04:54] <intelikey> pipegeek i'd try saving the profile you like as default profile first.
[04:54] <pipegeek> intelikey: I did.
[04:54] <soulrider> Thehound666: i didnt know final fantasy xi was for PC
[04:54] <pipegeek> intelikey: no effect.
[04:55] <Thehound666> ps2, pc, xbox360
[04:55] <intelikey> then file it
[04:55] <soulrider> sweet
[04:55] <soulrider> i need 5to get it :P
[04:55] <intelikey> !bug
[04:55] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: try pyrpg for a quick story less fix
[04:56] <Thehound666> ok, just removing the extras I installed to try and get rtorrent working
[04:56] <Thehound666> don't want a bloated windows cousin
[04:56] <soulrider> rtorrent ?
[04:57] <soulrider> i use utorrent with wine
[04:57] <soulrider> works like charm
[04:57] <jontec> do I use a 64-bit install in vmware? (compter is 64-bit)
[04:57] <Thehound666> I use ktorrent, but was testing rtorrent for a torrent site
[04:57] <jontec> computer*
[04:57] <Thehound666> I'll have to tell them incompatible atm with Edgy
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: PS3 can have Kubuntu and FF XI :)
[04:58] <intelikey> nethack-console    the real thing.
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Oooooh try kq
[04:58] <Thehound666> kq?
[04:59] <soulrider> DaSkreech: Wii > PS*
[04:59] <DaSkreech> THe wiimote works with Kubuntu as well :)
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: apt-get install kq
[04:59] <Thehound666> what is it?
[04:59] <soulrider> i hope that when they sell wiis here
[04:59] <soulrider> they dont make them $800
[04:59] <soulrider> thats what they were seeling the gamecube for
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: kqlives.sf.net
[05:00] <DaSkreech> soulrider: They are the samething so why not? :)
[05:00] <soulrider> HA, very funny
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Wii is an over clocked gamecube
[05:01] <soulrider> yet it has fun games....
[05:01] <DaSkreech> No arguments here
[05:01] <soulrider> other consoles may have the power, but not the games
[05:01] <intelikey> hmmmm 41 new emails....  haven't checked it a while....
[05:01] <Thehound666> I have a wii. skipped the other 2 so far
[05:01] <DaSkreech> If they opened up the Vid card PS3 would bea sweey deal
[05:02] <soulrider> Thehound666: see if you can get rayman raving rabbids, the PC version is quite fun, i guess witht he wiimote is a lot better
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Sweet even. Would be a killer 400 Gb MythTV  :-)
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Bye Dink
[05:03] <Thehound666> ps3 supports Linux and I hear it's a very stable webserver
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Supports is a heavy word for what it does
[05:03] <soulrider> Thehound666: for the price you pay for a PS3, it better support linux
[05:04] <soulrider> i really want a new console
[05:04] <soulrider> im getting a bit tired of my NES
[05:05] <DaSkreech> soulrider: it has blu ray, wifi Card readers. That's worth the price alone
[05:05] <DaSkreech>  Of course if you don't care about any of that it's a freaking money dump
[05:05] <soulrider> DaSkreech: i dont have an HDTV why would i want blue ray
[05:05] <soulrider> and i KNOW im not getting an HDTVin at least 10 years :P
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Blueray = better porn?
[05:06] <soulrider> youah, you can zoom in better
[05:06] <soulrider> also
[05:06] <soulrider> if you dont mind DRM
[05:06] <soulrider> and all the crap sony probably put on it
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Crap Porn? Ewwwwwww....
[05:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:07] <Thehound666> wow only removing 4 things with synaptic. Most of what I installed could be useful elsewhere
[05:07] <intelikey> drm !
[05:07] <DaSkreech> !drm
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:07] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  heh heh.
[05:07] <DaSkreech> :-(
[05:07] <Dr_willis> brb
[05:08] <Thehound666> question, when I make system changes via synaptic, should I reboot like Windows?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> They really should have one for that
[05:08] <Thehound666> even though it never says to
[05:08] <soulrider> no
[05:08] <intelikey> Thehound666 no.
[05:08] <soulrider> Thehound666: i thinkt he onyl time you need to reboot
[05:08] <soulrider> is when you upgrade
[05:08] <soulrider> like for example, dapper to edgy :P
[05:09] <intelikey> Thehound666 this is not M$ reboot windows.
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Or install a new kernel
[05:09] <Thehound666> I notice 1 of my Kubuntu pc's gets laggy after awhile
[05:09] <Thehound666> reboot fixes it
[05:09] <Thehound666> it's a 450 MHz P3
[05:09] <Rob-West> nixternal
[05:09] <soulrider> Thehound666: really ?
[05:09] <soulrider> ive had my comp running fro like a week with no reboots
[05:09] <intelikey> kernel updates require reset everything else can be handeled without it.
[05:10] <soulrider> Thehound666: it IS a slow computer though
[05:10] <Thehound666> but is it a slow CPU like that?
[05:10] <soulrider> uhm no, its 5 times as fast :P
[05:10] <Rob-West> does anyone have a 64MB to 120MB video card they dont need
[05:10] <Thehound666> seems to like a weekly reboot
[05:11] <intelikey> Thehound666 that sounds like a runaway process    ps -A x    and see if there are lots of repetes or if it's pretty clean  about two pages worth is more than enough processes running.
[05:11] <Thehound666> have 1 more powerful but Windows needs my most powerful
[05:11] <Thehound666> an AMD Athlon FX-62 2.8 GHz
[05:12] <intelikey> slow shmow,,, i run kde on a p1 100mhz box   if it slows down there is something wrong.
[05:12] <DaSkreech> kq! :)
[05:12] <DaSkreech> !info kq
[05:12] <ubotu> kq: adventure game in the spirit of Final Fantasy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.cvs20060528-3 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 768 kB
[05:12] <intelikey> this box i'm talking on is only a 351mhz
[05:13] <soulrider> Thehound666: why dont you dual boot on your fast computer like i do ?
[05:13] <soulrider> intelikey: lol thats so awesome
[05:13] <Rob-West> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1010677&CatId=0
[05:13] <Thehound666> I kept a Kubuntu VM there
[05:13] <soulrider> id lvoe to have one of those really old comps
[05:13] <soulrider> and get linux on it
[05:13] <Thehound666> gaming and desktop
[05:13] <Thehound666> no rebooting
[05:14] <Thehound666> got a Win98 VM too
[05:14] <Thehound666> for old games
[05:14] <soulrider> if you ask me
[05:14] <soulrider> it doesnt make sense to use windows
[05:14] <intelikey> soulrider dive a dumpster  they chuck them out all the time.
[05:14] <soulrider> and kubuntu on a VM
[05:14] <soulrider> intelikey:  not here
[05:14] <intelikey> seems that M$ user have to buy new hardware ever two years or so....  heh
[05:14] <Thehound666> meh Kubuntu is on my 4200+ and P3
[05:15] <Thehound666> Athlon 4200+
[05:15] <soulrider> intelikey: im surprised how some people upgrade their computers so theyc an run windows
[05:15] <soulrider> i know this guy
[05:15] <soulrider> who is gonna upgrade his whole comp
[05:15] <soulrider> to run vista
[05:15] <Thehound666> Windows on my FX-62 with multiple VMs
[05:15] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:15] <soulrider> very f!@$ing retarded if you ask me
[05:15] <Thehound666> no Vista for me.
[05:15] <soulrider> i tried it
[05:15] <Thehound666> Vista is the main reason I started Linux
[05:15] <soulrider> and its windows XP
[05:15] <soulrider> just
[05:15] <soulrider> with better eye candy
[05:16] <soulrider> and 10000 times more annopying
[05:16] <soulrider> REALLY
[05:16] <soulrider> and the voice recognition thing sucks butt
[05:16] <Thehound666> I was a legit tester
[05:16] <soulrider> i as dictating and said "hole" and it wrote "battle"
[05:16] <osiris> vista rocks
[05:16] <soulrider> thats how good it is
[05:16] <Thehound666> my OS got deactivated 3 times
[05:16] <Thehound666> legit beta copies
[05:16] <intelikey> oh you are in uruguay soulrider i forgot... well check around the local colages they might have some trash boxes you could pick up for disposal.
[05:16] <Thehound666> had to call M$
[05:17] <soulrider> intelikey: believe, they wont :P
[05:17] <Thehound666> in fact the 4200+ that runs Kubuntu as main OS was my test pc for Vista
[05:17] <Thehound666> I put it on after removing Vista
[05:17] <Minataku> And I bet you're much happier now
[05:17] <Minataku> XD
[05:17] <Thehound666> yes
[05:17] <Minataku> ^^
[05:18] <Minataku> Linux wins again! :D
[05:18] <soulrider> vista is sucha  piece of crap, i lvoed the messages asking if you did something
[05:18] <soulrider> like
[05:18] <soulrider> "was it you that started that connection? "
[05:18] <Thehound666> lol the os firewall
[05:18] <soulrider> "was it you that cliocked the mouse? " "was it you that pressed the "i did that action button?"?"
[05:18] <Minataku> "Did you really intend to shut down your computer?"
[05:18] <soulrider> yeah
[05:18] <soulrider> and theyc all it
[05:18] <soulrider> "more productive"
[05:19] <intelikey> if it wouldn't cost so much to ship it i'd send you one soulrider   but it'd have linux already on it.   every thing i have does.
[05:19] <Minataku> "Are you sure? Because it's not really that necessary"
[05:19] <Thehound666> is it you Bill that is so afraid my pc will get hijacked under WinTrash?
[05:19] <Minataku> "Override ACPI? I'm afraid TCPA can't let you do that, Dave"
[05:19] <soulrider> lol intelikey
[05:19] <soulrider> i think it would be fun to have a slower and older comp
[05:19] <soulrider> a cheap one
[05:19] <soulrider> just to learn
[05:19] <soulrider> like compile my own kernels and stuff
[05:19] <soulrider> and run tests
[05:20] <soulrider> i dont wanna compile my own kernels here, its my only comp :P
[05:20] <Minataku> I compile all my own kernels
[05:20] <Thehound666> the 450 MHz Pentium 3 was the first Linux conversion and now serves as an ftp server and torrent seeder for me
[05:20] <Minataku> But then I'm running Gentoo
[05:20] <soulrider> im too newbie to do that
[05:20] <soulrider> Thehound666: that would be pefect for my house
[05:20] <Minataku> It's not really that hard if you know your computer's hardware
[05:20] <soulrider> my router doesnt feel like dialing my pppoe conenction
[05:21] <soulrider> so i can only have 2 computers online at the same time
[05:21] <soulrider> so my parents are allways yelling at me to disconnect
[05:21] <soulrider> plus, they use windows
[05:21] <Minataku> Ew
[05:21] <Thehound666> I'm on cable.
[05:21] <soulrider> it would be GREAT to use a computer as proxy/firewall/antivirus
[05:21] <soulrider> we dont ahve cable here
[05:21] <soulrider> only pppoe
[05:21] <Minataku> Ew
[05:21] <Minataku> XD
[05:21] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[05:21] <soulrider> lol
[05:21] <soulrider> !es
[05:22] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:23] <paulw_vm> soulrider: why not install vmware and learn in virtual machines, then you won't mess up your main box
[05:23] <Thehound666> now I need to RTFM to see how to launch kq. must be command line
[05:23] <intelikey> no cable nor dsl here.  and no wireless service...
[05:23] <intelikey> yes that means 56k dialup
[05:23] <soulrider> paulw_vm: i dont really feel too comfortable running vmware
[05:23] <soulrider> id ratther have a separate computer
[05:23] <soulrider> yes
[05:24] <soulrider> Thehound666: opena  console
[05:24] <soulrider> and type kq
[05:24] <soulrider> thats it
[05:24] <soulrider> mind you
[05:24] <paulw_vm> soulrider: okay, to each his own
[05:24] <soulrider> its fullscreen
[05:24] <nikola_> linux is slower than os x..... is there anything i can do about it?
[05:25] <dsmith> whats a good program to download an entire website?
[05:25] <soulrider> nikola_: maybe its hte desktop enviroment youre using
[05:25] <soulrider> brb, need to make cofee
[05:25] <intelikey> nikola_ probably,  but tweeking the system is rather indepth
[05:26] <Thehound666> had to kill it to release mouse but looks nice
[05:26] <intelikey> !slow
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slow - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <Thehound666> reminds me of the NES
[05:26] <Thehound666> remember those days?
[05:28] <nikola_> well
[05:28] <nikola_> good enough :P
[05:28] <soulrider> Thehound666: i have a NES
[05:28] <soulrider> and it works like charm
[05:28] <jarn> Are there any alternatives to ksysguard?
[05:29] <Thehound666> mine does too, after readjusting some pins.
[05:29] <Thehound666> had it since release
[05:29] <nikola_> amarok is especially slow though, lol
[05:32] <soulrider> Thehound666: im only 18, i got my NES a few years ago form a neihgbour
[05:32] <Thehound666> 27, had one as a child
[05:32] <soulrider> but he didnt really take too much care of it
[05:32] <Thehound666> still have it
[05:33] <soulrider> you were like 5 ?
[05:33] <Thehound666> 7 at EU release
[05:33] <Thehound666> got here in 86
[05:33] <soulrider> see, thats another reason why i think nintendo consoles are great, they last a lifetime, unline playstations
[05:33] <intelikey> jarn top ?
[05:33] <jarn> ?
[05:34] <jarn> intelikey: ?
[05:34] <intelikey> jarn pgrep ps fuser kill killall pstree    depends on what you are doing with ksysguard
[05:34] <Thehound666> yes but if any of you still have Windows, theres an excellent PSX emulator
[05:34] <intelikey> nmap snort ....
[05:34] <Thehound666> blows even the ps2 rendering of PS1 games away
[05:35] <Thehound666> epsxe
[05:35] <soulrider> Thehound666: ive found most PS games to be rather boring
[05:35] <Thehound666> someone should port it to Linux
[05:35] <soulrider> definately
[05:35] <Thehound666> its best feature is full OGL2 support
[05:35] <jarn> intelikey: I like a lot of what it does. I like the Process Table and the CPU Load and Physical Memory graphs. I do not like, however, that it does not obey my saved sessions - it always starts minimized. That is why I want to get rid of it.
[05:35] <soulrider> OGL2 ?
[05:36] <Thehound666> OpenGL
[05:36] <nikola_> lol, i used to be into emulators
[05:36] <soulrider> oh
[05:36] <nikola_> then i realized i have all the consoles in the first place
[05:36] <nikola_> lol
[05:36] <soulrider> nikola_: me too, my parents never bought me a SNES
[05:36] <soulrider> lol
[05:36] <nikola_> i got a SNES :)
[05:36] <soulrider> lucky you
[05:36] <nikola_> they wont get me a NES :(
[05:36] <soulrider> one fo the best consoles ever
[05:37] <jarn> ePSXe has a linux port.
[05:37] <nikola_> amarok crashes alot for me....
[05:37] <nikola_> any of you?
[05:37] <soulrider> theres only a few games from the PS i say are great. Ape escape, Digimon World, Monster Rancher and twisted metal 4
[05:37] <Thehound666> let me see this
[05:37] <soulrider> also final fantasy and metal gear
[05:37] <soulrider> nikola_: never crashed here
[05:38] <nikola_> -_-
[05:38] <jarn> Thehound666: It's on the official ePSXe homepage... ;)
[05:38] <nikola_> whats wrong with my machine!
[05:38] <jarn> Thehound666: http://www.epsxe.com/download.php
[05:38] <intelikey> jarn no.   click the icon in the upper left of the ksysguard window  and the first itom special window attrabutes  tell kde to treat that window the way you want it treated...
[05:38] <nikola_> its an imac g5, it should run linux better than my g3 :P
[05:38] <Thehound666> wow. used to be just windows. I already have the plugins
[05:39] <intelikey> jarn in kde you dot discard an app because it's window is not starting like you want it to start.  you tell kde what you want.... :)
[05:39] <Thehound666> Linux uses OGL more competantly than Windows
[05:39] <intelikey> dot=don't
[05:39] <Thehound666> support there was an afterthought
[05:39] <jarn> intelikey: I did already. I assigned it window-specific settings.
[05:39] <jarn> intelikey: And it still doesn't obey.
[05:40] <nikola_> no offense, but OS X GUI > Linux GUI
[05:40] <nikola_> no competition
[05:40] <intelikey> force geometry.
[05:40] <jarn> intelikey: I had it force max horizontal, max vertical, and maximized.
[05:40] <soulrider> nikola_: indeed
[05:40] <nikola_> in fact.... i dont really know why im using linux yet :P
[05:40] <jarn> intelikey: Oh... I forgot to click the box for force fullscreen.
[05:40] <nikola_> what can i do special on here?
[05:41] <jarn> Thehound666: AFAIK, ePSXe has had a linux port for awhile. It hasn't been developed in a long time.
[05:41] <Thehound666> it doesn't seem to launch though
[05:41] <Thehound666> said Linux executable
[05:41] <jarn> Thehound666: I could be wrong, though. And, btw, Windows plugins won't work with the Linux version.
[05:41] <intelikey> nikola_ so if you don't like it, don't use it.   won't hurt our feelings one bit.  :)
[05:41] <nikola_> lol :P
[05:41] <nikola_> i like it :P
[05:42] <soulrider> i need to switch my parents
[05:42] <jarn> Don't try and use Windows plugins, they won't work.
[05:42] <soulrider> to linux
[05:42] <jarn> You'll need Linux plugins.
[05:42] <soulrider> its amazing whata good computer my dad has, and how badly it runs
[05:42] <intelikey> i don't like *buntu
[05:42] <soulrider> intelikey: what doy ou use? =/
[05:42] <jarn> Okay, let's reset now to see if it accepts my settings...
[05:44] <intelikey> i like the linux system  that  *buntu is running on   so i use it.   but as for the rest of the OS "defaults and packages"  i don't use it.
[05:44] <jarn> intelikey: It still doesn't obey.
[05:44] <jarn> intelikey: Any other ideas on how I can force it to behave?
[05:44] <soulrider> intelikey: i dont get it... =/
[05:45] <nikola_> wow, so far amarok is the only slow app ive encountered
[05:45] <nikola_> iz real pretty though
[05:45] <nikola_> and it /does/ play music
[05:45] <jarn> Amarok isn't slow for me.
[05:45] <jarn> It's just sexy.
[05:45] <nikola_> OMG
[05:45] <nikola_> how come?
[05:45] <intelikey> jarn yeah one.   maybe try telling it just to remember the size and placement ?
[05:45] <nikola_> its ONLY slow for me?
[05:45] <nikola_> -_- i must be doing something wrong
[05:46] <soulrider> nikola_: it takes longer for me to open amarok than any other app, but its not slo
[05:46] <soulrider> w
[05:46] <jarn> Or maybe I have better hardware than you.
[05:46] <nikola_> maybe its cuz its reading 20000 songs from my other partition?
[05:46] <nikola_> its slow even after it loads....
[05:46] <soulrider> you got 20000 songs ?
[05:46] <nikola_> on this harddrive
[05:46] <soulrider> youre insane
[05:47] <nikola_> i have about 400 GB moore on other ones
[05:47] <nikola_> well, i like every genre, so, ya
[05:47] <soulrider> have you even listened to more than a 10th of it more than once ?
[05:47] <nikola_> ;D
[05:47] <nikola_> thats a good question
[05:47] <soulrider> yeah lol
[05:47] <nikola_> definately have listened to every band
[05:47] <DaSkreech> nikola_: You can replicate osx exactly if you want
[05:47] <nikola_> maybe every album
[05:47] <nikola_> prolly not every song
[05:47] <soulrider> nikola_: got fischerspooner ?
[05:47] <intelikey> soulrider beneith the gui (which i seldom start) the os is linux  it's not really ubuntu in the idea of being different than any other linux distro     i mean a 2.6.15 kernel is a 2.6.15 kernel       i roll my own kernel cause *buntu doesn't have fs or disk support compiled in and i don't like using an initramfs.img
[05:48] <nikola_> ijust want the speed now
[05:48] <nikola_> ya, i dont know if ive listened to it  much :P
[05:48] <nikola_> i should though
[05:48] <nikola_> right now im listening to FLOW
[05:48] <soulrider> intelikey: so basically you dont run ubuntu ?
[05:48] <soulrider> Fischerspooner is the best :)
[05:49] <nikola_> VNV is the best :)
[05:49] <intelikey> soulrider also the package manager is not ubuntu specific. it's dpkg = the debial package manager      and apt is a frontend for that.    most of the   *ubuntu specific things is gui settings default packages and so forth...
[05:49] <coreymon77> debial
[05:49] <coreymon77> isnt in debian
[05:49] <coreymon77> it*
[05:49] <soulrider> ahhh ok
[05:49] <jarn> intelikey: If I did Force for minimized and left the box unchecked, would it prevent it from minimizing?
[05:49] <intelikey> soulrider basicly  i don't run *buntu   correct.   even though i do use the ubuntu repos.
[05:50] <nikola_> *afk*
[05:50] <xenophile7x7> ubuntu is essentiall debian with gnome and some default packages
[05:50] <soulrider> intelikey: got it
[05:50] <intelikey> yeah
[05:50] <intelikey> typo.
[05:50] <xenophile7x7> just like kubuntu is just essentually debian with KDE and some default packages?
[05:50] <Thehound666> most everything for Debian works for this OS though, which makes it nice. Not only does Ubuntu make stuff for it, but Debian makes packages too
[05:50] <soulrider> so if i use kubuntu i basically ahve used debian too? :P i know ubuntu is a debian "fork"
[05:50] <Thehound666> or compiles them I should say
[05:51] <soulrider> i allways thought debian was complicated.. dunno why
[05:51] <xenophile7x7> soulrider: prettymuch yeah.
[05:51] <intelikey> if any "normal" *buntu user logged into my system,  they would scarsely recognize it.
[05:51] <Thehound666> it's a stripped to the core Ubuntu without the bells and easy config
[05:52] <Thehound666> essentially
[05:52] <soulrider> ahh, interesting...
[05:52] <jarn> Anyone know if there's a way to force an application that's fullscreen to open in a window?
[05:52] <soulrider> ive tried other distros and didnt like them, <3 ubuntu
[05:52] <Thehound666> hear you can do debian on a P1 90 MHz
[05:52] <xenophile7x7> i think theres more defaults set in *buntu than in debian, that make it a bit easer though
[05:52] <xenophile7x7> less user input required i guess
[05:53] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: i allways thought linux was really hard to use, but with ubuntu i realied it wasnt like that
[05:53] <soulrider> ubuntu is really easy to use
[05:53] <intelikey> fork is not actually the propper term.   ubuntu is based on debian.   debian is still the upstream source for ubuntu packages.
[05:53] <Thehound666> well harder than Windows for the n00bs, of course using Windows properly is another thing
[05:53] <xenophile7x7> lol, actually ive dont a shtload of studying and played with some live distros for security work, but i just replaced my windows with linux about 3 days ago
[05:53] <Thehound666> but you can jump into it faster
[05:54] <Jucato> Debian and Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[05:54] <intelikey> most linux distros are EASY to use.
[05:54] <soulrider> im a recent user, and ive tried to convert other people
[05:54] <soulrider> and i saw that mainly why people dont use linux
[05:54] <soulrider> or are reluctant too
[05:54] <soulrider> is firstly because the GUI is a bit different
[05:55] <soulrider> and it can be a bit "shocking"
[05:55] <xenophile7x7> most people are afraid of it. cuz all they know is windows
[05:55] <soulrider> and they also crap their pants when you say "console" even if they only need to type 1 line
[05:55] <xenophile7x7> lol throw a fullscreen dos prompt in front of them, even though its essentiall 'windows' and they'll give the same reaction
[05:55] <Thehound666> my top 3 was 1. gaming 2. dependancies 3. command lines scare them
[05:55] <Thehound666> top 3 among people I know
[05:56] <soulrider> yeah
[05:56] <soulrider> i mean
[05:56] <soulrider> some people
[05:56] <intelikey> des-quatro on console pants episode
[05:56] <xenophile7x7> yeah, im going to end up dual booting i think, just for gaming.
[05:56] <soulrider> dont see thw windows logo int he bottom left part of their screen
[05:56] <soulrider> and they go mental!
[05:56] <xenophile7x7> its not necessary, but its simpler
[05:56] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: unfortunatly thats what i have to do
[05:56] <soulrider> intelikey:  ??
[05:57] <xenophile7x7> i thought about just runnin VMware, or cedega, but its alot simpler to just use windows. ill throw on an old copy of xp home and strip all the BS out of it
[05:57] <Thehound666> my wife is just learning and I converted her pc to Linux since she does not want to do gaming
[05:57] <intelikey> and when i tell them that i don't hardly ever see a gui they stair like a calf looking at a new fense
[05:57] <Thehound666> have her learn the right os to start
[05:57] <xenophile7x7> besides, i do aloto fsecurity work, so sometimes its nice to have the option
[05:57] <Thehound666> and she won't be as prone to spyware and viruses as she is just learning'
[05:57] <Thehound666> comforts me
[05:58] <soulrider> exactly
[05:58] <jarn> Gaming is coming along pretty well in Wine know.
[05:58] <soulrider> thats why i want my mom to use ubuntu
[05:58] <jarn> They support a lot of the most popular games.
[05:58] <soulrider> shes actually a smart surfer
[05:58] <soulrider> but just to be on the safe side
[05:58] <jarn> Guild Wars, WoW, CS.
[05:58] <xenophile7x7> intel, is most of your software command-line, or can you run a web browser and irc and such from the CL
[05:58] <jarn> And HL2.
[05:58] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: try irssi and links
[05:59] <intelikey> xenophile7x7 yes
[05:59] <xenophile7x7> souldrider: whats that?
[05:59] <soulrider> intelikey: if ytou need to see images and stuff, do you need to load KDE or another desktop enviroment ? or can you somehow do it from CLI
[05:59] <xenophile7x7> intel: lol, it was multiple choice? which one =P
[05:59] <Thehound666> I set her up with my browsing combo
[05:59] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: CLI IRC and web browser
[05:59] <Thehound666> Firefox.noscript+adblock
[05:59] <xenophile7x7> ahh ok
[05:59] <soulrider> Thehound666: my mom uses opera, adn thats enough for her
[06:00] <xenophile7x7> lol, i want to learn to do more from the command line, but at the moment im working at just getting comfortable withlearning the OS
[06:00] <soulrider> i also want her pc to use linux, because my sister uses that pc sometimes too, and my sister + PC = trouble
[06:00] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: youll get used in no time
[06:00] <Thehound666> Linux is safer but blocking scripts by default plugs any holes
[06:01] <Thehound666> I do go to bad sites but I know what to leave blocked
[06:01] <Thehound666> never got malware even on Windows
[06:01] <soulrider> Thehound666: what i think is really cool about linux, is that no matter how hard they try, they wont be able to fu<k the Os up :)
[06:01] <soulrider> Thehound666: at least not that you knew :P
[06:01] <smaggard> hi
[06:01] <Thehound666> yup because it always asks for passwords
[06:01] <smaggard> anyone here use cinelerra? just wondering..
[06:02] <Thehound666> and you don't run as root
[06:02] <Thehound666> Windows almost forces most people
[06:02] <soulrider> Thehound666: unless they figure out kdesu and sudo, they wont screw anything up
[06:02] <Thehound666> how many Windows programs run fine as limited user?
[06:03] <Thehound666> not too many
[06:03] <Thehound666> Linux they all do
[06:03] <soulrider> lol no
[06:03] <soulrider> at college
[06:03] <soulrider> they got really good computers
[06:03] <soulrider> but they wun XP
[06:03] <intelikey> irc> irssi epic bitchx xchat-text  http> lynx elinks links2 w3m    email > pine   sendmail  mut fetchmail     ftp> ftp sftp ncftp      up/down load management > wget wput curl        not to mention  mc which is a filemanager with builtin editor and interfaces with some of those afore mentioned apps.   also a huge asotrment of other apps like sox aumix and more.<<< all cli
[06:03] <soulrider> and they run like ass
[06:03] <soulrider> intelikey: if you wanna view images or mayube a site with images, do you need to load a desktop enviroment ?
[06:04] <soulrider> i musta dmit, its kind of my dream to do everythign form the CLI :P looks more geeky lol
[06:04] <Thehound666> I run any servers on Linux because I don't like opening ports on my router to Windows
[06:04] <Thehound666> :P
[06:04] <intelikey> soulrider no.  links2 and elinks both support console frame buffering.
[06:05] <soulrider> intelikey: SWEET
[06:05] <intelikey> gull graphic web browsing without X
[06:05] <intelikey> full
[06:05] <soulrider> you dont need X ?
[06:05] <soulrider> that very cool
[06:05] <soulrider> i bet your comp runs uber fast
[06:05] <intelikey> i don't really need it.    but if you want to edit/create images you do need it.
[06:05] <Thehound666> can you say buffer overflow? Any windows program can kill the os with that vulnerability, even if you remove all insecure services as I have
[06:05] <Thehound666> kind of scary
[06:06] <xenophile7x7> lol, im right with ya on wanting to solely use CLI, soul
[06:06] <soulrider> heheh xenophile7x7
[06:06] <intelikey> soulrider this old p1 beside me never makes me wait on anything except the 56k connection.
[06:06] <soulrider> i donty know why
[06:06] <soulrider> but when i go to my consoles using ctr alt and fx
[06:06] <soulrider> i only see half of the screen
[06:06] <xenophile7x7> looks cooler=P
[06:07] <soulrider> indeed xenophile7x7makes you look like a pro, even if youre retarded
[06:07] <xenophile7x7> yep
[06:07] <soulrider> lol intelikey
[06:07] <Thehound666> of course, no open ports, no worries about that particular one
[06:07] <pwn4tt4ck> quick, I need to know what a good ftp prog is for kubuntu
[06:07] <intelikey> soulrider also i don't use swap.  and mem usage is mormally around 30m
[06:07] <xenophile7x7> plus you dont need to worry about coming accross a strange gui
[06:07] <soulrider> Thehound666: my router is a POS, it wont dial my pppoe connection, and i dont think the firewall on it even works
[06:08] <soulrider> chirst intelikey
[06:08] <soulrider> pwn4tt4ck: try gftp
[06:08] <intelikey> have seen it as low as 21m   and as high as 42   without a gui running.
[06:08] <Thehound666> well I'm referring to an unresolved windows issue as the reason to run servers on Linux
[06:08] <pwn4tt4ck> apt-get install gftp?
[06:08] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: you dont need to worry about other people using your PC
[06:08] <Thehound666> :)
[06:08] <soulrider> yes pwn4tt4ck
[06:08] <soulrider> :)
[06:08] <soulrider> sudo ofcourse
[06:08] <pwn4tt4ck> thank you soulrider
[06:08] <xenophile7x7> haha, yeah that too
[06:08] <intelikey> yes what about him ?
[06:08] <pwn4tt4ck> yes, sudo of course
[06:09] <intelikey> oh as a by word.   i see.
[06:10] <Thehound666> of course if you have a Windows box, you can run an ssh on Linux and tunnel everything via the Linux box without a router
[06:10] <Thehound666> it'd act like a firewall
[06:10] <soulrider> can any of you help me? when i open any of the consoles using CTRL + ALT + Fx i can only see half of the screen, the bottom half is cut out
[06:10] <soulrider> Thehound666: thats one of the reasons i want anothe rPC
[06:10] <Thehound666> openssh
[06:11] <phobiac> soulrider: You mean like ctrl+alt+F3?
[06:11] <soulrider> yeah
[06:11] <Thehound666> pick an old one off the street corner
[06:11] <josh_> what's that command to reset the vesa settings
[06:11] <Thehound666> if you just want one as a firewall
[06:11] <Thehound666> ;)
[06:11] <josh_> it runs youu through a wizard to setup ur video card and stuff
[06:12] <soulrider> josh_: you wanna reconfigure xorg ?
[06:12] <josh_> y7a
[06:12] <josh_> ya
[06:12] <soulrider> !xorg
[06:12] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:12] <soulrider> look for the line there
[06:12] <phobiac> Soulrider: I don't know why it doesn't complete for you, but that's the hotkey for switching sessions.
[06:12] <josh_> thx
[06:12] <intelikey> soulrider one other thing that sometimes interests people is the fact that vlc (which does just about everything multimedia) also supports console frame buffering... so i can watch vidios in the console on a p1  that the box i'm on now (tho i can on it too)  can't play them on in the gui because it's too slow.   even though it's twice as fast as the other one....  :)
[06:12] <josh_> lol
[06:12] <soulrider> awesome intelikey
[06:13] <intelikey> soulrider try starting the box with  vga=0x0f05   and see if it helps.
[06:13] <soulrider> intelikey: iom gonna try reconfiguring xorg
[06:13] <Thehound666> vlc, multiplatform solution to many media player annoyances
[06:13] <soulrider> int he kernel parameters ?
[06:13] <intelikey> yes
[06:13] <soulrider> intelikey: now that i think of it, i added something like that
[06:13] <soulrider> and i think it worked before i did it
[06:13] <xenophile7x7> intel: whats vlc?
[06:13] <soulrider> its a video player
[06:14] <phobiac> soulrider: As a fix if you do that do ctrl+alt+f7
[06:14] <Thehound666> just what I said it is
[06:14] <Thehound666> :)
[06:14] <intelikey> !info vlc | xenophile7x7
[06:14] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[06:14] <phobiac> Make sure to use f7
[06:14] <soulrider> yes
[06:14] <soulrider> f7 has KDE
[06:14] <soulrider> intelikey: i got that line in grub
[06:14] <soulrider> im gonna remove it and see what happens
[06:14] <josh_> !xorg
[06:14] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:14] <xenophile7x7> lol, my bad hound. didnt see it
[06:14] <intelikey> same vga setting ?
[06:15] <intelikey> soulrider   vga=0x0f05  ?
[06:15] <soulrider> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda1 ro verbose vga=0x0f05 splash
[06:15] <intelikey> k try  vga=781
[06:15] <soulrider> wait
[06:15] <soulrider> is there a way to change the resolution ?
[06:15] <soulrider> make it like
[06:15] <soulrider> 1024x768 or 1280x1024 ?
[06:16] <intelikey> yes thats what we're doing.
[06:16] <soulrider> ahh
[06:16] <soulrider> i need to reboot now, yeah ?
[06:17] <intelikey> you can use   vga=ask   and it will give you options at boot but i'm not sure that all the frame buffering stuff will work that way.
[06:17] <soulrider> im just gonna reboot and see what happens
[06:17] <soulrider> :)
[06:17] <soulrider> brb
[06:17] <phobiac> Speaking of rebooting, that's my issue. Kubuntu lags shutting down for upwards of a few minutes and I end up having to use the button on my computer to shut it down.
[06:17] <hagabaka> could anyone tell me if http://supybot.com/ renders correctly in Konqueror?
[06:17] <intelikey> yes a reboot is required for resetting the console vidio mode unless you install  svgatextmode
[06:18] <phobiac> Anyone know how I can change it so it shows me what processes are being killed while it shuts down?
[06:18] <phobiac> Then maybe I can have an idea on what to do.
[06:19] <intelikey> phobiac edgy ?
[06:19] <phobiac> Intelikey: Yes
[06:19] <intelikey> i think that's a known issue.  check the bug reports.
[06:20] <intelikey> !bug
[06:20] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:20] <intelikey> there may or may not be a fix out.
[06:20] <phobiac> Thanks
[06:20] <intelikey> np
[06:21] <hubcio> hi folks
[06:22] <soulrider> intelikey: works like charm now!! :D
[06:22] <intelikey> phobiac also of note   a runaway process has been blamed for that issue in some instanses   you could do   ps -A x prior to issuing the halt command and see if you have any runaways.
[06:22] <intelikey> soulrider you're welcome.
[06:22] <intelikey> and that does it for me.   gooday and good luck to your penguin
[06:23] <soulrider> see ya!
[06:23] <phobiac> intelikey: I doubt it's a runaway process, but it's possible. My laptops fan would freak out though if that's what it was, I think.
[06:25] <migrote> coud someone help me to configure trumpet on my windows 3.11 for workgroups?
[06:25] <nikola_> ya
[06:25] <nikola_> its better now
[06:25] <nikola_> amarok
[06:25] <nikola_> lol
[06:26] <Thehound666> anyone know the best graphics card for Linux?
[06:27] <Thehound666> I'm running a Radeon x1950PRO XGE for Windows and a Geforce 6600 GT for Linux
[06:27] <DarkMageZ> ati 9250 is the best for linux if you need 3d acceleration
[06:27] <DarkMageZ> and stability
[06:28] <DarkMageZ> tho i'm waiting for those new nvidia drivers
[06:28] <xenophile7x7> ive got geforce 6800 gtx's in sli. not sure if kubuntu will run the sli though. haven had the chance to look it up yet
[06:28] <Thehound666> wow even a 6600GT is usually faster than a 9250, no crashes with it
[06:28] <Thehound666> guess I'm fine
[06:29] <Thehound666> thought maybe you'd say 7900GTX but wasn't sure
[06:30] <DarkMageZ> modern nvidia cards get second place if you need 3d acceleraton
[06:30] <DarkMageZ> tho there drivers are known to cause issues for alot of people
[06:30] <nikola_> hi
[06:30] <DarkMageZ> ati gets 3rd
[06:30] <Thehound666> how does the 9250 beat all the higher end cards?
[06:31] <we6jbo> I have a question
[06:31] <DarkMageZ> Thehound666, opensource drivers
[06:31] <nikola_> how do i get to input in Japanese?
[06:32] <Thehound666> how does a 9550 compare? I have one sitting around
[06:32] <nikola_> (I doubt anyone here knows.....)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Amarok is ok now
[06:32] <DaSkreech> nikola_: try skim
[06:32] <nikola_> whats skim?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> !info skim
[06:33] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1216 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[06:33] <DarkMageZ> Thehound666, that is newer than 9250 and iirc, doesn't get 3d acceleration from the ati drivers
[06:33] <nikola_> so can i do get apt-skim....
[06:33] <nikola_> god im forgetting commands already
[06:33] <nikola_> :'(
[06:34] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Alt+Space -> type Skim _> Enter
[06:34] <DaSkreech> It's installed already :)
[06:35] <nikola_> wow, its "running"
[06:35] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:35] <DaSkreech> I have no clue howto use it so don't ask me :)
[06:35] <DaSkreech> I'd love to know though
[06:35] <DaSkreech>  it's one of the applications I keep saying I should learn
[06:36] <nikola_> well
[06:36] <nikola_> its in the corner
[06:36] <nikola_> but nothing is up
[06:36] <nikola_> and my bar is frozen
[06:36] <xenophile7x7> ok, lol, n00b question time =P   whats the easiest way to boot to the CLI instead of the gui, and can you run gui apps and CLI apps simultaneously, like windows/dos?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: Umm first one is easy
[06:38] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure I understand the second
[06:38] <Thehound666> supposedly return is the menu key in kq
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Do you want to run an occasional GUI app from CLI mode?
[06:38] <DarkMageZ> for the second one, just run the gui like normal and then run konsole to run your cli apps
[06:38] <Thehound666> but it goes dead in the game
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: Yeah! I forget how I fixed that now....
[06:39] <xenophile7x7> yeah pretty much
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Thehound666: can you change the key to something else?
[06:39] <nikola_> it wont open
[06:40] <nikola_> i dont get it
[06:40] <xenophile7x7> i want to run everything off teh CLI, but im sure I'll have progs that i need to run in GUI too. i dont want to have to start the gui for 1 prog if im runnign liek 5 others in CLI
[06:40] <nikola_> -_-
[06:40] <Thehound666> can't hit return to get to the config
[06:40] <DaSkreech> nikola_: It's a ... thingy I think
[06:40] <nikola_> its just the icon is stuck in the lower left corner....
[06:40] <Thehound666> just dies upon launch
[06:40] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: You will if you HAVE to run that prog
[06:40] <DaSkreech> but when you do find that prog let us know and we will see if you cna get a CLI version
[06:40] <DaSkreech>  as long as it's not gimp or krita :)
[06:41] <xenophile7x7> i dont know what gimp and krita are lol
[06:41] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: read as Photoshop "_
[06:41] <xenophile7x7> oh, ok
[06:41] <DaSkreech> nikola_: I know that it's a way to input multiple languages but I think it allows yout to swap out keyboard Mpas with a simple key press
[06:41] <xenophile7x7> what about the diff desktops. can you, say, run the gui on just 2 of them, and CLI-only on the other two?
[06:42] <qbit> anyone know why us.archive.ubuntu.com can't do better than dial-up speed? was working ok yesterday, maybe recommend another us mirror that actually has bandwidth?
[06:42] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: Now you are going nuts :) Desktop == Gui
[06:42] <DaSkreech> You can' have a CLI desktop
[06:42] <xenophile7x7> well, there 4 different CLI instances too
[06:42] <xenophile7x7> just didnt know the term for them
[06:43] <nikola_> thats what i use in OS X and windows too
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Sure ya can! :)
[06:43] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: You mean Alt+Ctrl+F1 Etc?
[06:43] <nikola_> so thats wat i need, ill see into it............. tomorrow............. after sleep............................
[06:43] <xenophile7x7> if you use ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3/f4
[06:43] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Night
[06:43] <xenophile7x7> yes
[06:43] <nikola_> oyasuminasai
[06:43] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: terminals
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Konichiwa
[06:44] <Dr_willis> moo-goo-gai-pan
[06:44] <DaSkreech> nikola_: Oh you speak japanese :)
[06:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:44] <DaSkreech> !jp | nikola_
[06:44] <ubotu> nikola_:  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[06:44] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok. lol, i think i just answered my own queistion though.  regardless of one desktop or 4, its still under 1 gui
[06:44] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: Right
[06:44] <xenophile7x7> what about booting just to the CLI though, without startign the gui
[06:44] <xenophile7x7> ?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> xenophile7x7,  that would be booting. and not stratung the KDM/X stuff..
[06:45] <Thehound666> wow I might need the DOS version
[06:45] <Dr_willis> rather trivial. :)
[06:45] <Thehound666> that key don't want to activate
[06:45] <Thehound666> have to hit alt+x to kill it
[06:46] <xenophile7x7> how?  when i boot it takes me right to the gui login
[06:46] <Dr_willis> disable the kdm service...
[06:47] <ubuntu_> anyone know if kubuntu will install dual boot with no probs on acer 5102 laptop?
[06:47] <ubuntu_> and get all drivers
[06:47] <Dr_willis> or if  want X stopped - ya can use 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop'
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Is there a Debian service level manager?
[06:47] <ubuntu_> it works from bootable dvd
[06:48] <xenophile7x7> how would you start it again,then? just replace 'stop' with 'start'?
[06:48] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  well edgy does the run levels stuff a little diffrently now.. not sure if theres one that just dosent run X. (never bothered)
[06:48] <Dr_willis> xenophile7x7,  A+
[06:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:48] <xenophile7x7> lol. thanx alot
[06:48] <xenophile7x7> ^^
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: I mean a program that shows whats in Runlevel 3 vs Runlevel 2 etc
[06:49] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  kde has some tool for that.. and proberly a few others.
[06:49] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services?
[06:50] <Jucato> Dr_willis, DaSkreech ^^^
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Im a real man! i manage the links myself!
[06:50] <Dr_willis> *grunt* *Grunt*
[06:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:51] <morghanphoenix> So, the DVD-ROM that didn't want to work yesterday works fine on a fresh install.
[06:51] <Jucato> s/real man/masochist/
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Me too But somepeople shouldn't have to
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Interesting
[06:51] <DaSkreech> apparently Wesnoth starts by default on bootup for me
[06:51] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Quick change to that
[06:52] <Thehound666> wow seems noone on Google has this issue
[06:52] <ubuntu_> i have an acer notbook 5102 will kubuntu install and dual boot xp an find al my drivers i made abootable dvd it seems to work
[06:52] <morghanphoenix> Anyone know if there is a package or a repo that has the new firefox?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[06:52] <Dr_willis> what new one?
[06:52] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 8992 kB, installed size 28580 kB
[06:52] <morghanphoenix> All I'm finding on google is 1.5
[06:52] <Dr_willis> 2.0+ is in the repos
[06:53] <DarkMageZ> dapper only has 1.5 tho
[06:53] <morghanphoenix> Ack
[06:53] <morghanphoenix> A 2.0 for dapper?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> !info firefox dapper
[06:53] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.9-0ubuntu0.6.06 (dapper), package size 7757 kB, installed size 22988 kB
[06:53] <Jucato> no 2.0 for dapper, I'm afraid...
[06:53] <Dr_willis> Ive installed the tar.gz from the firefox site
[06:53] <morghanphoenix> I was running it before from a deb package install, I just can't find the package again.
[06:53] <Jucato> I mean, none from the repos
[06:54] <xenophile7x7> whats the main diff between dapper and edgy? and is either one better than the other?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> may be some unofficial backports..
[06:54] <morghanphoenix> dapper doesn't crash when you install an ATi card.
[06:54] <xenophile7x7> is either one more stable? have more support? better drivers/performance?
[06:54] <morghanphoenix> that's why I'm still here
[06:54] <xenophile7x7> lol, ive got nvidia's :D
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> dapper has longer support. edgy has more bleeding edge software
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> tho "support" is an odd word
[06:55] <morghanphoenix> I gave my nvidia to my wife, the ATi is a much better card even though the nvidia works better
[06:55] <Thehound666> any way you can find out how you fixed it? I'm still a dummy with Linux device settings
[06:55] <edgy> Hi, I installed k3d and it's now giving some erros every time I run apt-get. I tried to remove it with sudo dpkg --remove k3d but it's giving errors like "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" how am I supposed to remove such packages in ubuntu?
[06:55] <morghanphoenix> nvidia 4000 64MB or an ati 7000 128MB
[06:56] <morghanphoenix> k3d?
[06:56] <xenophile7x7> Nvidia Geforce 6800 GTX 256MB
[06:56] <morghanphoenix> I'm getting a 7800 in my laptop a few months from now
[06:56] <xenophile7x7> i havent had any graphics issues yet ^^
[06:56] <ubuntu_> can anyone tell me if kubuntu will dual boot with xp and find all drivers on acer 5102 notebook have made aboot dvd it work but dont want a few sleepless nights seting up the box
[06:56] <morghanphoenix> Still working off the junk parts and give-aways computer for the time being though.
[06:56] <xenophile7x7> have the 8800's come out yet?
[06:57] <morghanphoenix> Almost tempted to get the SLI laptop, but I doubt it'd have linux support
[06:57] <morghanphoenix> And vista looks like Windows with applet bar theft included
[06:57] <xenophile7x7> yeah, ive got a bunch of scraps im gonna throw together jsut for test boxes. prolly use one for mirc bots, and experiment with setting one up as af irewall
[06:58] <DaSkreech> edgy: What's k3d?
[06:58] <morghanphoenix> All the features they're oohing about are on my POS system now.
[06:58] <morghanphoenix> I think he may mean k3b
[06:58] <DaSkreech> he said k3d twice
[06:58] <Dr_willis> you dont use sudo dpkg --remove k3b
[06:58] <DaSkreech>  assuming that edgy is a he
[06:58] <ubuntu_> guess noone can see me type
[06:58] <Dr_willis> you use apt-get remove k3b
[06:58] <xenophile7x7> vista is a crappy OS, ive played with it already. ive got SLI in my desktop. i dont know how to tell if kubuntu is actually using the SLI, or just the one card. havent had the chance to look that one up yet
[06:58] <edgy> DaSkreech: it's a package for generating animation
[06:59] <edgy> morghanphoenix: no
[06:59] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  i doubt if anyone knows exactly.. google, check the ubuntu forums...
[06:59] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  ubuntu/kubuntu is the best disrto for laptops from what ive seen
[06:59] <DaSkreech> edgy: What are the errors?
[06:59] <xenophile7x7> ubuntu_just back up your stuff, and give it a shot. worst thing that will happen is you'll have to reinstall windows.
[06:59] <xenophile7x7> lol, you need to do taht periodically anyway
[06:59] <xenophile7x7> its good for it
[07:00] <ubuntu_> whats the dif ubuntu and kubuntu
[07:00] <xenophile7x7> ubuntu uses gnome. kubuntu uses kde
[07:00] <burepe_> where does the apache host file install by default?
[07:00] <edgy> DaSkreech: dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[07:00] <edgy>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1. Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:00] <edgy>  k3d. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:00] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know if you can put both gnome and kde on ubuntu/kubuntu?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> edgy: Does k3d run?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: Yes
[07:01] <Dr_willis> !info k3d
[07:01] <morghanphoenix> xubuntu is good for the old Pentium Is
[07:01] <ubotu> k3d: 3D modeling and animation system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.12.0-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10182 kB, installed size 43492 kB
[07:01] <xenophile7x7> any idea how? i was tryin for a couple hours last night, and couldnt get gnome on here
[07:01] <xenophile7x7> i dont know how to compile it myself though
[07:01] <Dr_willis> xenophile7x7,  its trivial....
[07:01] <ubuntu_> my computer never came with win disk just backup win media not sure if i screw up if it will restore without restore partion
[07:01] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <morghanphoenix> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop I think
[07:01] <Dr_willis> will have both
[07:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:01] <Dr_willis> may as well add in xubuntu-desktop also
[07:02] <xenophile7x7> it wasnt workin last night, but ill try again
[07:02] <Jucato> :O
[07:02] <morghanphoenix> I have KDE and blackbox only, never much cared for gnome.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> servers may be down..
[07:02] <Dr_willis> or slow
[07:02] <xenophile7x7> lol, i will. i figure ill just throw them all on here, and see which i prefer
[07:02] <edgy> Jucato: so there could be a package that I can never remove whatever I did?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Is there a bug?
[07:02] <morghanphoenix> I have to use the gb repos, us never works for me.
[07:02] <xenophile7x7> im gonna end up formatting and rebuilding this box anyway before i put it back into full use
[07:02] <Jucato> give me a few secs
[07:02] <xenophile7x7> !blackbox
[07:02] <ubotu> blackbox: Window manager for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.70.1-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 251 kB, installed size 768 kB
[07:03] <morghanphoenix> nice, fast, nothing much extra.
[07:03] <ubuntu_> guess no help here
[07:03] <morghanphoenix> Just runs stuff that bogs down with KDE
[07:03] <xenophile7x7> Reading package lists... Done
[07:03] <xenophile7x7> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:03] <xenophile7x7> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop
[07:03] <xenophile7x7> radiant@VenatorNoctus:~$
[07:03] <Dr_willis> my rather old system handles kde fine. :)
[07:03] <Dr_willis> !info ubuntu-desktop
[07:04] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[07:04] <DaSkreech> xenophile7x7: Maybe you aren't connected to the internet :)
[07:04] <Dr_willis> i would say - check your spelling
[07:04] <morghanphoenix> I use blackbox for all the encoding and stuff like that, anything that takes 100% CPU usage.
[07:04] <xenophile7x7> hmmm...
[07:04] <xenophile7x7> yeah, maybe thats it
[07:04] <xenophile7x7> can you help me check? =P
[07:04] <Jucato> edgy, DaSkreech: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+bug/64848
[07:04] <morghanphoenix> You have broadband?
[07:04] <Dr_willis> ubuntu-desktop
[07:05] <morghanphoenix> Sometimes I need to run dhcp manually to connect to the internet even after I've set everything up.
[07:05] <xenophile7x7> i def didnt misspell it
[07:05] <Jucato> wow! that bug as 8 duplicates
[07:05] <xenophile7x7> wouldnt it be safe to assume im connected to the net though, if i can chat on here?
[07:06] <morghanphoenix> probably
[07:06] <morghanphoenix> lol
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Jucato: So the S is the problem?
[07:06] <Jucato> xenophile7x7: IRC uses a different protocal from HTTP and apt-get, which may mean that while you can chat, you may not be able to browse or download.
[07:07] <morghanphoenix> I've had firefox not connect though while konversation was. I get lots of wierd problems and all the problem things work fine.
[07:07] <MobsterLobster> i just did a upgrade from dapper to edgy. when i boot my computer it makes me log in with CLI how can i get it to start gui?
[07:07] <morghanphoenix> I'm not sure if it's good or bad luck
[07:07] <xenophile7x7> i can browse with konquerer
[07:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'm not familiar with the bug, really. I just heard some people talk about it so I thought there was a bug report
[07:07] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: sometimes that's a DNS problem
[07:07] <DaSkreech> It works in feisty :)
[07:08] <Dr_willis> MobsterLobster,  sounds like yoru X configuration needs reconfogured
[07:08] <Dr_willis> MobsterLobster,  try the 'startx' command
[07:08] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it's an Edgy bug...
[07:08] <morghanphoenix> I think he means the file to edit to begin with kdm
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Which can be fixed with a package rebuild. Why do problems like that take so long to fix :-(
[07:09] <Jucato> !SRU | DaSkreech
[07:09] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[07:09] <MobsterLobster> dr_willis it gave a fatal server error
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I think not being able to install counts as a good reason to repackage
[07:10] <jager> who can recommend a goood company to rent a virtual private server from
[07:10] <DaSkreech> And you are changing a string
[07:11] <Dr_willis> MobsterLobster,   theres a command to reconfigure X. also you may just need to reinstall your nvidia or ati or whatever card drivers.
[07:11] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I presume you read the wiki already?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:11] <DaSkreech> I know it doesn't fall under 1 2 or 3 but still cmon
[07:11] <Jucato> ok, then you know the place to go to complain/rant, right? (a.k.a. "not here")
[07:12] <morghanphoenix> I'm just really happy WINE runs UO perfectly. I've been really missing my games sine I switched to linux.
[07:12] <MobsterLobster> i think i need to reinstall the drivers. they are Nvidia legacy. but what is the command to reconfigure X?
[07:12] <edgy> Jucato: thx a lot. that removed it!
[07:12] <DaSkreech> morghanphoenix: There are loads of games on Linux
[07:12] <MobsterLobster> Dr_willis ^^
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  not all very good :)
[07:12] <morghanphoenix> I like MMORPGs
[07:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: because first and foremost, it is *not* a KDE app :)
[07:12] <Dr_willis> MobsterLobster,  i forget...
[07:12] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[07:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Jucato: But but... it has K in it's name!!! :)
[07:13] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:13] <morghanphoenix> Vendetta online is the only one I've found that was a good linux native MMORPG
[07:13] <Jucato> DaSkreech: which is why I said I find it silly they named it k3d
[07:13] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it's actually a GTK+ app
[07:14] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, GTK, forgot that on the new install.
[07:14] <DaSkreech> I guess Gwenview makes people itchy as well
[07:14] <morghanphoenix> Amazing I haven't had anything not work yet
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Oh can I import a .pst btw?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> Vendetta? never heard of tha tone.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> morghanphoenix,  SecondLife has a Linux client. :) and PuzzlePirates
[07:14] <Dr_willis>  heh
[07:14] <morghanphoenix> space combat/mining/trading
[07:15] <morghanphoenix> really well done game, and it shipped with linux/mac/windows clients
[07:15] <DaSkreech> morghanphoenix: Write to them and thank them :)
[07:15] <morghanphoenix> I have
[07:15] <morghanphoenix> And I subscribed for a while
[07:15] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:15] <morghanphoenix> I wish more people would do that
[07:16] <morghanphoenix> Or at least use opengl instead of that directx crap
[07:16] <DaSkreech> I try to
[07:16] <MobsterLobster> Jucato i am reconfiging X right now thx
[07:16] <DaSkreech>  I wrote to Tiltedmill to plead for a Linux Ceaser 4
[07:17] <DaSkreech> I'm writing Sony to tell them They need a leader for the Linux community
[07:17] <morghanphoenix> some of the games I played upgraded clients to DX9 and now I'm sol on playing them.
[07:17] <DaSkreech> morghanphoenix: Wait ti ll DX10!
[07:17] <morghanphoenix> Cedega is too expensive for me, might as well buy windows and dual boot at $55 a year.
[07:17] <morghanphoenix> In a few years you're saving money
[07:17] <morghanphoenix> lol
[07:18] <morghanphoenix> Never thought that could be said for a microsoft product
[07:18] <DaSkreech> morghanphoenix: You do know you can compile the CVS for free?
[07:18] <morghanphoenix> no
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah they play the open source thing to the hilt
[07:19] <morghanphoenix> I think UO uses directx 6, so the WINE from the repos runs the client perfectly.
[07:19] <morghanphoenix> I've never got sound working in any game though
[07:20] <Dr_willis> there used to be a UO linux native client.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> ages ago
[07:20] <Dr_willis> IRC is the Ultimate MMORPG.
[07:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:20] <DaSkreech> We need two or three Leaders of Linux Gaming
[07:20] <soulrider> lol Dr_willis
[07:20] <morghanphoenix> Plays great with amaroK and XMMS, but any game is very choppy and has to be turned off
[07:20] <DaSkreech> At least one for closed source
[07:20] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure id is it anymore
[07:21] <MobsterLobster> when setting up X wich mouse protocol do i use ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2 im just using a normal M$ mouse
[07:21] <DaSkreech> with a +4 Thermometer
[07:21] <morghanphoenix> lol
[07:22] <morghanphoenix> Last time I played with levels it was a ad&d epic campaign.
[07:22] <Dr_willis> MobsterLobster,  try imps2
[07:22] <morghanphoenix> +4 was trash by that point.
[07:22] <soulrider> i used to play Lineage II
[07:22] <soulrider> its a pretty good game
[07:23] <morghanphoenix> Anybody have an idea as to why sound only works right when I play music or videos?
[07:23] <soulrider> on pirate servers ofcourse :P
[07:23] <morghanphoenix> I used to play UO Player Run Shards.
[07:23] <morghanphoenix> It was nice to not be skill capped at 700
[07:23] <Thehound666> well not just like NES, the music is much better :)
[07:23] <soulrider> is 700 a lot ?
[07:23] <morghanphoenix> Only place I think EA went terribly wrong with UO
[07:24] <Thehound666> btw the fix is insert space it treats as enter
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> No, 6 skills maxed
[07:24] <soulrider> Thehound666: what do you think si the best game for the NES ?
[07:24] <Thehound666> then you can swap it in config
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> si?
[07:24] <MobsterLobster> when configing X how do i go back?
[07:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> hello world
[07:24] <soulrider> is*
[07:24] <Thehound666> hard to say, Dragon Quest 4 maybe
[07:24] <soulrider> lol Balsamic_Chicken
[07:24] <Thehound666> good extensive story
[07:24] <soulrider> uhm, never played it
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> NES? Probably a FF title
[07:24] <soulrider> i think im gonna say SMB1 and 3
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> Or a dragon warrior
[07:24] <soulrider> and maybe Kirby
[07:25] <Thehound666> Dragon Warrior is the USA name I think
[07:25] <soulrider> Kirby: nightmare in dreamland owns :P
[07:25] <morghanphoenix> Most of my favorite RPGs were either C64 or SNES.
[07:25] <Dr_willis> Mario Brothers..
[07:25] <Balsamic_Chicken> !kzenexplorer
[07:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:25] <ubotu> kzenexplorer: manage tracks and playlists on Creative Labs Nomad Jukeboxes. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 311 kB, installed size 856 kB
[07:25] <soulrider> peolpe here are not too much intop RPGs
[07:25] <MobsterLobster> Jucato if i make an error when configing X can i change it later?
[07:25] <Balsamic_Chicken> i like RPG
[07:26] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: just rerun the command
[07:26] <soulrider> Balsamic_Chicken: i meant where i live
[07:26] <morghanphoenix> just remember that command to configure x
[07:26] <MobsterLobster> ok thx
[07:26] <morghanphoenix> you might boot into cli if something is wrong
[07:26] <Balsamic_Chicken> i liked diablo2, but i stopped playing for a long time, then didn't want to play anymore cuz it took a semester to get the good stuffs that i erased
[07:26] <soulrider> Jucato: im dissappointed too
[07:26] <morghanphoenix> UO has always been my favorite.
[07:26] <Balsamic_Chicken> !UO
[07:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about UO - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:26] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's uo
[07:26] <soulrider> ultima online i guess
[07:26] <Balsamic_Chicken> morghanphoenix what's uo
[07:27] <terran4000> Hello, I was just wondering ... what transfer speed can I except from kubuntu between two SATA drives?
[07:27] <morghanphoenix> I've played since akalabeth
[07:27] <soulrider> bye bye Jucato
[07:27] <morghanphoenix> Yeah
[07:27] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: ultima online
[07:27] <Dr_willis>  lack of any quality in  any  mmorpg in general.
[07:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:27] <morghanphoenix> Works with wine out of the box
[07:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato is that a linux game
[07:27] <morghanphoenix> You just should never try to launch the 3d client
[07:27] <soulrider> terran4000: i got a SCSI and an ATA drive and i think they transfer at over 20 MB/s
[07:27] <morghanphoenix> it does wierd things to your computer
[07:27] <Thehound666> Final Fantasy XI is good and even though released 2001 in Japan, still updated pretty frequently
[07:27] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: not really sure... haven't played any of the ultima series
[07:27] <soulrider> what i dont like is having to pay for mmorpgs
[07:27] <soulrider> for most at least
[07:27] <Jucato> um guys, just a warning, getting -offtopic here
[07:28] <morghanphoenix> It's not linux native, but runs great with the free WINE
[07:28] <soulrider> Jucato: we were offtopic all night :P
[07:28] <terran4000> soulrider: the only reason that I'm asking is because 'they' always say like "transfer speeds of 300MBps" .. and here in kubuntu I see 15-35 MBps ..
[07:28] <Jucato> soulrider: doesn't make it right :)
[07:28] <xenophile7x7> gpotato.com try out rappelz for a good mmorpg thats free. and if ya'll find a way to make THAT run on linux, let me know!
[07:28] <Thehound666> well I know most Linux people feel that software should be free, but in this case, you're paying them to man and update servers
[07:28] <Thehound666> 24/7
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Night!
[07:28] <spitwise> that reminds me .. *installs bzflag*
[07:29] <xenophile7x7> no hound. i pay them to build a game and sell it to me
[07:29] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: i played rapelz for a bit, didnt really catch my attention, but it looked quite a lot like lineage
[07:29] <Jucato> !offtopic
[07:29] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:29] <xenophile7x7> i dont pay them to give me permission to use it on occasion
[07:29] <Thehound666> lol
[07:29] <Dr_willis> I disagree with the  "pay $50 + pay another $15 a month' :)
[07:29] <xenophile7x7> soul: i havent tried lineage
[07:29] <morghanphoenix> I'm there
[07:29] <soulrider> i played guild wars a bit, but gor bored almost inmediatly
[07:29] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: lineage is pretty good
[07:29] <morghanphoenix> MMO conversations switch rooms?
[07:29] <soulrider> but i have only played on private servers
[07:29] <Dr_willis> MMOLinux
[07:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:30] <jontec> my installer is stuck at the prompt where it scans the mirrors. This is on vmware. Can I cancel this step or is it necessary?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Jucato: tried Kq?
[07:30] <xenophile7x7> i havent played many of them cuz i dont like purchasing a paper weight and then renting the right to use it on a month by month basis
[07:30] <jontec> It's been sitting here for like an hour
[07:30] <xenophile7x7> i guess battlenet spoiled me
[07:30] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: you can downlaod the game for free, and private servers are free
[07:30] <xenophile7x7> never knew how. heard some horror stories though, so i never bothered to learn
[07:31] <Thehound666> lol I went in there
[07:31] <Thehound666> the offtopic thing
[07:31] <soulrider> its probably empty
[07:31] <Thehound666> hell no
[07:31] <Thehound666> :P
[07:31] <soulrider> really?
[07:31] <jontec> can I cancel the scanning mirror step of the installation?
[07:31] <soulrider> its friggin dead :P
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Oh just for all people here discussing Gaming on Linux you may want to join #gametome
[07:32] <soulrider> jontec: i dont think so
[07:32] <soulrider> xenophile7x7: go to the offtopic channel
[07:32] <jontec> soulrider: there's not an error is there? it's been here for an hour... and isn't doing anything... wait my computer just started a lot of activity
[07:33] <soulrider> jontec: it should be pretty fast
[07:33] <jontec> soulrider: okay it's done :D
[07:33] <soulrider> LOL
[07:33] <chakal> hola
[07:33] <jontec> soulrider: I neglected to tell you that I'm on dial-up
[07:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec o.m.g.
[07:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec how long does it take u to get updates
[07:34] <Valmarko> Are there more applets for my KDE panel ?
[07:34] <soulrider> jontec: i dont think it matters if youre on 56k
[07:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec or anything =) hehe, i had dial up, that was nightmare
[07:34] <jontec> Balsamic_Chicken: I just do them at school :D
[07:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec u have an ipod or something, to xfer
[07:35] <frootstripe> hi all - i'm trying to take a bunch of html files and turn them into one-big-html file, anyone know how to do that? - it doesn't have to be rendered perfectly
[07:35] <jontec> Balsamic_Chicken: ? what does an ipod have to do with anything? lol
[07:35] <lovloss> I dont get deb packages much. I have multiverse, universe and main set of course, but i was wondering if there were any other good ones that i could set up for edgy eft... that way i could search for more files with adept. anyone know any?
[07:36] <jontec> frootstripe: how many are we talking?
[07:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec u could use it to store the stuff u download
[07:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec i'm assuming u download them at school and then put it on ur comp?
[07:36] <jontec> Balsamic_Chicken: yeah. :D
[07:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec than that's how ipod has to do with anything
[07:38] <jontec> Balsamic_Chicken: yeah, I'm hoping that adept can use my install files for edgy because my mouse didn't work with dapper when I installed it on the other partition
[07:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec o, not too knowledgable about that =)
[07:39] <jontec> Balsamic_Chicken: my dial-up internet is gone (earthlink's dial-up servers are down), so I'm having to use AOL for internet... T_T
[07:39] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec interesting :)
[07:39] <jontec> Balsamic_Chicken: yeah, I was done rambling anyway :D
[07:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec lol hehe didn't mean to be curt earlier =)
[07:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> jontec i just had to grab something to eat
[07:41] <jontec> it's okay :D
[07:43] <MobsterLobster> kde looks so much better in edgy
[07:44] <jontec> yeah, it does
[07:44] <MobsterLobster> now whats the easiest way to upgrade to fiesty?
[07:44] <MobsterLobster> sorry feisty
[07:45] <DaSkreech> MobsterLobster: If you have to ask you shouldn't be running feisty
[07:45] <jontec> lol.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:45] <jontec> tactful, I must say :D
[07:46] <MobsterLobster> true but its a test machine so if it dies i dont care and feisty can only get more stable
[07:46] <MobsterLobster> so how do i do it?
[07:47] <DaSkreech> change every occurence of edgy to feistty in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:47] <MobsterLobster> thx
[07:47] <DaSkreech> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:47] <DaSkreech> feisty even
[07:48] <jontec> I'd say go to #ubuntu+1 (I think that's the channel name) after you do that... then again, they might not want to bother
[07:48] <jontec> sorry, that was mean. :D You're probably gonna have a lot of problems, though
[07:49] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there a channel where i can ask for help setting up logitech quickcam 5000 pro?
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Well night all
[07:50] <jontec> DaSkreech: see ya
[07:50] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> night jontec
[07:51] <MobsterLobster> DaSkreech if i dont like using feisty can i downgrade to edgy?
[07:52] <DaSkreech> MobsterLobster: if you like formatting :)
[07:53] <MobsterLobster> ok well after jan the next time i use my kubuntu comp will be after feisty is released
[07:57] <FFForever> how do i extract a .pak?
[07:58] <MobsterLobster> who is using Feisty?
[07:58] <jontec> MobsterLobster: go to #ubuntu+1 to see all the Feisty support channel
[07:59] <MobsterLobster> ok
[08:03] <Generic> The monitor&display module in system settings isn't loading for me
[08:03] <Generic> this is the error I get: http://pastebin.ca/309090
[08:04] <jontec> that's more like it... I love you vmware :D
[08:06] <jontec> Generic: umm... did you try opening it in the GUI
[08:06] <jontec> ?
[08:06] <Generic> jontec, that is through the gui
[08:06] <jontec> Generic: then why do you have output from the console?
[08:06] <Generic> I launched system settings from konsole so I could get an error ouput when i clicked the module
[08:07] <jontec> okay. I see. Does it not open when you use the kmenu, then?
[08:07] <Generic> it's kinda normal to do that
[08:07] <jontec> :D
[08:07] <Generic> try running amarok from konsole for example, you'll see output
[08:08] <jontec> Generic: I open a root konqueror session like that all the time, but it throws an error with sudo/ or root. That was why I was asking :D
[08:08] <Generic> ah, gotcha
[08:08] <jontec> to open it as root you have to use 'kdesu konqueror'
[08:08] <jontec> :D
[08:08] <jontec> What version are you using?
[08:08] <Generic> well, it's always worked when i used sudo
[08:08] <Generic> edgy
[08:08] <Generic> most kde modules will check if you're already root
[08:09] <jontec> Generic: hmm... that's weird... gave me an X error when I tried it once before on dapper, haven't tried on edgy...
[08:10] <jontec> at any rate... have you been able to open it before? (I'm at my edge)
[08:10] <jontec> no pun intended
[08:13] <jontec> Generic: I've gotta restart, I don't think that I could've helped you anyway, though, sorry T_T
[08:14] <Ace_NoOne> Hi there! Yesterday I installed Gnome and Beryl over my (freshly set up) Kubuntu, and now my machine only boots into terminal/CLI mode
[08:14] <Ace_NoOne> Any clue how to fix this?
[08:15] <Generic> well, that was odd
[08:15] <Generic> yay for random reboots
[08:15] <sarah> Generic, what happened? reboot, huh?
[08:15] <sarah> Generic, what were you doing previously?
[08:15] <Generic> running xchat, konsole, vmware, and amarok
[08:15] <sarah> How's your RAM lookin'?
[08:16] <sarah> vmware will eat chunks like there's no tomorrow...
[08:16] <Generic> it's set to 384MB ram
[08:16] <Generic> I've got 1GB of ram in my computer
[08:16] <sarah> huh, weird...
[08:17] <sarah> ok, well I was just checking that xchat was working for my gf's lappy...later y'all
[08:17] <FFForever> anyone here?
[08:18] <guardian984> any page that shows how to compile the kernel in kubuntu?
[08:19] <Generic> check the ubuntu wiki
[08:19] <Generic> !kernel'
[08:19] <Generic> !kernel
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kernel' - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[08:20] <FFForever> i have a small avi how can i make it into a small vcd?, i do not have a dvd writer?
[08:21] <guardian984> thanks
[08:22] <Generic> FFForever, you have a cdwriter?
[08:22] <FFForever> yeah thats about it
[08:22] <FFForever> an old 24x
[08:22] <FFForever> :\
[08:22] <Generic> vcd is a video compact disc
[08:23] <Generic> search apt for vcd
[08:23] <FFForever> y is apt so slow?
[08:23] <FFForever> i am using the us mirriors :), and it cant find vcd*
[08:24] <Generic> don't use vcd*
[08:24] <Generic> just use apt-cache search vcd
[08:24] <Generic> and that command searches your local repository list
[08:24] <edgy> Hi, After I installed ubuntu I want to insall the lamp server using synaptic or adept or apt-get, how can I without installing individual packages?
[08:24] <xenophile7x7> how do you add repositories?
[08:24] <Generic> everytime you run apt-get update it retrieves the package list from each repository
[08:25] <Generic> xenophile7x7, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:25] <Generic> edgy, elaborate
[08:26] <xenophile7x7> ty
[08:26] <Generic> :)
[08:28] <hammad> how do i join ubuntu channel?
[08:28] <hammad> can someone help?
[08:28] <Generic>  /join #ubuntu
[08:29] <hammad> thanks a lot
[08:31] <edgy> Generic: I mean I don't want to install apache2 php5-whatever mysql* I just want to install a virtual package that would make my system functional as a lamp server
[08:32] <Generic> edgy, I don't believe there are any dummy packages out with dependencies for all of that
[08:33] <edgy> Generic: I now tried aptitude and it has a virtual task called lamp-server
[08:35] <edgy> Generic: though it's not clear to me still how to deal with it!
[08:35] <Generic> edgy, my advice would be to follow whatever guide you are using
[08:35] <Generic> it's general a bad idea to go off on your own and do it your own way if you haven't done it beofre
[08:35] <dwidmann> But breaking things is how we learn ;)
[08:37] <Generic> except when it comes to breaking the packages, you're pretty much sol if you do
[08:38] <dwidmann> not really, you're only really sol if you a) break apt, b) break your network connection, or c)  breaking the kernel (in some ways)
[08:39] <dwidmann> oh, almost forgot one ... d) if you somehow corrupt your partition (way past ugly)
[08:39] <Generic> or break kde
[08:39] <Generic> which has been done before
[08:40] <dwidmann> there are ways to unbreak that
[08:40] <edgy> Generic: if there is kubuntu-desktop why shouldn't there be a lamp-server package is beyond my understanding
[08:41] <dwidmann> last resorts involving either deleting user configuration files, or purging and reinstalling all of the kde packages ;)
[08:41] <Generic> dwidmann, that's the fun part
[08:41] <Generic> when apt won't remove a package because it's marked but doesn't exist!
[08:42] <Generic> I ran into that when installing java
[08:43] <dwidmann> Hmmmm
[08:43] <dwidmann> Sounds like a bug in apt
[08:43] <dwidmann> probably is, oh well.
[08:43] <dwidmann> At least it hasn't happened to me, hehe
[08:44] <will> anyone here of soulseek?
[08:44] <Generic> heh, yeah, i get irate when that happens to me
[08:44] <will> Im looking for the linux equivilant
[08:44] <Generic> like a module in system settings is dead :/
[08:44] <Generic> will, what is this 'soulseek' you speak of?
[08:45] <will> It's a peer to peer
[08:45] <will> Its awesome
[08:45] <will> Not tainted by mass usage
[08:45] <will> So you get all the stuff you want and it's not all screwed up
[08:45] <dwidmann> Generic, even if it would come to a reinstall, at least I don't have to go through the bother of reconfiguring everything
[08:45] <will> well organized file sharing
[08:45] <phobiac> will: There's frostwire
[08:45] <will> k
[08:45] <phobiac> I've never used it though
[08:46] <phobiac> It's the linux equivalent of Limewire apparently.
[08:46] <Generic> dwidmann, ah, you have /home as a seperate partition too?
[08:46] <dwidmann> 39 2  *   *   0     dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > /media/storage/installed-software.log
[08:46] <edgy> Any one knows an equivalent application to paltalk in linux?
[08:47] <edgy> phobiac: you know?
[08:47] <Valmarko> will, nicotine
[08:47] <dwidmann> Generic,  yes, that, plus the line I pasted above, fresh from y crontab
[08:47] <Generic> dwidmann, ooo
[08:47] <phobiac> edgy: From what I know paltalk is web based...
[08:47] <Generic> dwidmann, I'm curious as to how you use that to restore
[08:47] <edgy> phobiac: what? no
[08:48] <Generic> and I think I'll toss that into my crontab...
[08:48] <will> Thanks Valmarko!
[08:48] <phobiac> Then I'm thinking of something totally different
[08:48] <Valmarko> no probelm
[08:48] <dwidmann> I've not done it in a while, I'll have to double check what it is
[08:49] <phobiac> edgy: You can always try it under wine.
[08:49] <phobiac> It might work.
[08:49] <dwidmann> dpkg --set-selections /media/storage/installed-software.log, or something like that
[08:50] <edgy> phobiac: i didn't try it but I prefer if someone can make an equivalent software ;)
[08:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> does gaim have webcam capabilities? if so where is it, just putting this out there, i guess this is related to kubuntu since i'm using gaim in kubuntu lol
[08:52] <phobiac> Kopete does..
[08:52] <dwidmann> I don't think it does, but Kopete does, hehe
[08:53] <Balsamic_Chicken> yeah i can't work the one on koptete, i use logitech quickcam 5000 pro
[08:53] <Balsamic_Chicken> i tried ekiga, i only get very fuzzy images
[08:53] <Balsamic_Chicken> but this webcam is perfect on windows
[08:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> not sure what i did wrong, i did remember getting an error about something like wrong pixelmaps or something
[08:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> and in kopete i get a green screen
[08:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> the webcam light do go on tho
[08:55] <phobiac> Balsamic: Have you looked for fixes on google?
[08:55] <morghanphoenix> what kind of capture card are you using?
[08:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> yeah i just searched for installation guide in general, i see others have it working, but i haven't found anything specific for me
[08:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> morghanphoenix i don't know, how could i find out
[08:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx
[08:56] <morghanphoenix> what did you plug it in to? Or is ti one of those USB things?
[08:56] <Balsamic_Chicken> i installed the uvc driver i think, and i did a modprobe, ironic nobody mentioned modprobe in installation guides for 5000 pro
[08:56] <Balsamic_Chicken> o usb
[08:56] <Balsamic_Chicken> yeah usb
[08:56] <morghanphoenix> Ack, no idea, I use a capture card with tv input for my cameras.
[08:56] <will> Hey I have a question
[08:56] <Balsamic_Chicken> modprobe was what started it working, but image in ekiga is barely visible with room fully lit
[08:56] <will> I am programmer
[08:56] <will> New to linux
[08:56] <will> I have done all my dev on Windows
[08:57] <morghanphoenix> every fresh install I lose all my cd covers and lyrics
[08:57] <will> How do I get involved in making programs for linux?
[08:57] <will> What is the main programming language of choice?
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> will i think linux wiki's might be able to help
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> C
[08:57] <will> I'm not use to not compiling stuff
[08:57] <morghanphoenix> Python, Perl, C++
[08:57] <will> k
[08:57] <will> PErl is only command line though right?
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> will i meant as in wiki have pointers on where to go to contribute
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> That's what's in my SDK
[08:58] <will> I know perl :D
[08:58] <will> Not python though
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> I'm working on python at the moment
[08:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there a webcam channel
[08:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> i hate not being able to set this up =((
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> Not that I know of
[08:58] <morghanphoenix> Had lots of problems with all kinds of pnp usb devices
[08:59] <morghanphoenix> I started getting older ones that plug into serial or tv-in ports.
[08:59] <will> Cool :D
[08:59] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool
[08:59] <will> I am checking and I guess there is a python book that comes with Kubuntu
[08:59] <will> Where is it?
[08:59] <morghanphoenix> Of course I've only been using linux for a little while
[08:59] <phobiac> probabaly man python on the command line
[09:00] <morghanphoenix> There's a good one on the website for python
[09:00] <morghanphoenix> I hate using man pages
[09:00] <morghanphoenix> Hard to find what I'm looking for in them
[09:01] <xenophile7x7> search around one of the ebook rooms for the Sam's Teach Yourself books. they ahve some on python.
[09:01] <xenophile7x7> awesome books too. very easy to learn. even more so i fyou already have programming experience
[09:02] <will> THanks!
[09:05] <Generic> hmm
[09:05] <Generic> anyone know how to configure a bandwidth monitor on a wrt54g?
[09:11] <flaccid> my notebook kubuntu hd crashed, so now i'm on my usb pen drive w/ dsl
[09:11] <flaccid> so fun :)
[09:12] <WiglyWorm> Umm.. hey, I'm a complete newbie, anyone here think they can lend some aid?
[09:12] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: sup
[09:13] <WiglyWorm> I'm trying to run some programs.. install my video card drivers, and install Unreal 2k4, I keep getting "permission denied"
[09:13] <WiglyWorm> when I run them in the shell.
[09:14] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: do you have the required permissions to run?
[09:14] <WiglyWorm> I guess I don't? I installed and I'm the only user name.. why wouldn't I?
[09:14] <flaccid> what did you install and how?
[09:15] <Balsamic_Chicken> WiglyWorm in front of all your command line prompts, put: sudo, that gives u supervisor previlage, u need ur password
[09:15] <Balsamic_Chicken> superuser*
[09:15] <flaccid> Balsamic_Chicken: better to set correct perms than run games under sudo
[09:15] <Balsamic_Chicken> flaccid kk =) thx
[09:16] <flaccid>  :)
[09:16] <flaccid> can be a bad risk for vulnerabilities when playing multiplayer over net
[09:16] <WiglyWorm> Flaccid: I'm not 100% sure on your question. I DL'd Kubuntu's DVD image from kubunu.org...
[09:16] <WiglyWorm> Installed off the live CD..
[09:16] <flaccid> what can't you run and how did you install it?
[09:17] <WiglyWorm> There's a few things, really, so one at a time...
[09:17] <flaccid> ok
[09:17] <flaccid> so what one are we talking about here.. thats the question
[09:18] <WiglyWorm> I downloaded my video card drivers.. a file called "ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[09:18] <WiglyWorm> It opens in Kate by default, but I can't do anything with it.
[09:19] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: thanks some info finally :) that is a binary. you need to add execute perm to the file if it doesn't have it and then run it from cli. this is detailed in there documentation which should of been read :) we don't support proprietory here :)
[09:19] <Generic> where can I find my rsa key?
[09:19] <WiglyWorm> Sorry flaccid, like I said, I'm a complete newb, wasn't sure what you needed to help me.
[09:20] <WiglyWorm> and um.. what's "cli"?
[09:21] <flaccid> sorry mate didn't mean to sound rude
[09:21] <arrenlex> I can't change the language in KDE 3.5.5. I have kde-i18n-engb installed, but if I try to add British in kcontrol>country\region&language, nothing happens. It appears in the list, but clicking on it has no effect. How can I fix this?
[09:21] <flaccid> a good rule for newbies is to read the install/readme documentation when installing someting 3rd party
[09:21] <flaccid> cli = terminal/console. use konsole in kubuntu
[09:21] <flaccid> well you should always read the documentation then you don't have to ask :)
[09:22] <WiglyWorm> huh...
[09:22] <WiglyWorm> Well that made it run.
[09:22] <WiglyWorm> Had an error, but rock on.
[09:23] <flaccid> run it under sudo
[09:23] <flaccid> eg. sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[09:23] <flaccid> if you are doing ati
[09:23] <flaccid> !ati > WiglyWorm
[09:26] <Valmarko> I heard that beryl has lot of bugs. Is it true? should I install it?
[09:26] <flaccid> i do suggest the prop. drivers. if you are on edgy the instructions to create .deb packages is good
[09:26] <flaccid> Valmarko: thats the general consensus for ubuntu
[09:27] <Valmarko> tank you, flaccid
[09:28] <flaccid> np
[09:28] <flaccid> i hope soon that it becomes stabler. it has a lot to do with the vid drivers being used
[09:33] <WiglyWorm> Alright.. I don't suppose you care to keep helping? I have a file called "linux-installer.sh" for a program I'm trying to install if so.
[09:33] <WiglyWorm> :)
[09:34] <Kris> hi
[09:34] <llutz> hi
[09:34] <WiglyWorm> hi!
[09:34] <arrenlex> !hi
[09:34] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> !bye
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i not let my computer go on energy saving in edgy, i'm downloading something and i don't want it to go to sleep to break off the download
[09:35] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: sure
[09:35] <Kris> ubotu
[09:36] <WiglyWorm> Oh! Yay! I was about to give up. :)
[09:36] <flaccid> what you need to install
[09:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> nvm found it
[09:36] <WiglyWorm> Trying to install Unreal 2004 off the DVD.. it has a shell script which I'm supposed to run.
[09:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's the newest wine version, and how do i get it =)
[09:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> i tried install guild war once, i get the login screen for guild war, but the background is frozen
[09:37] <WiglyWorm> Clicking does nothing.. and there doesn't seem to be much documentation (I actually did look first on this one).
[09:37] <flaccid> Balsamic_Chicken: from the wine website
[09:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> well coming to think of it, everything was frozen lol
[09:37] <Kris> ut04 on linux?
[09:37] <WiglyWorm> yeah
[09:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> flaccid do u happen to have a link =)
[09:37] <arrenlex> Balsamic_Chicken: 0.2.28 is newest. You can compile it yourself. 0.2.22 is available from the repositories.
[09:37] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: its the same situation. run the script from console :)
[09:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> arrenlex thx
[09:38] <WiglyWorm> It's the same sittuation: permission denied. :(
[09:38] <ironfroggy> so ive got some CUPS fun
[09:38] <flaccid> Balsamic_Chicken: its the first result when you search for wine with google
[09:38] <Kris> chmod +x (filename)
[09:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> arrenlex when u said 0.2.28, do u mean 0.9.28
[09:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> flaccid thx
[09:38] <arrenlex> Balsamic_Chicken: ...yes. I've confused my kernels with my wines. >_<
[09:38] <flaccid> Kris: read only cd i think
[09:38] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: run it under sudo
[09:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> arrenlex thx for help tho
[09:39] <ironfroggy> no matter what i do that involves my cups server, it freezes. firefox freezes when printing, after hitting 100%; kjobviewer locks up without displaying even an interface, as does the kprint setup.
[09:39] <Kris> ohhh haha@ flaccid
[09:39] <ironfroggy> ive restarted the cups daemon twice and it doesnt make a difference.
[09:39] <ironfroggy> and i see the behavior on multiple boxes
[09:39] <flaccid> ironfroggy: #cups
[09:39] <ironfroggy> anyone seen something like this?
[09:39] <WiglyWorm> what would be the command I run? The file is /media/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh
[09:40] <flaccid> its typical of an incorrect config especially if samba is invovled, ironfroggy
[09:40] <ironfroggy> i was using it frequently just this afternoon
[09:40] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: sudo /medida/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh
[09:40] <ironfroggy> i havent changed a thing since
[09:40] <flaccid> ironfroggy: check logs for the problem
[09:41] <WiglyWorm> "sudo: unable to execute /media/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh: Permission denied"
[09:41] <llutz> WiglyWorm: sudo sh /media/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh
[09:41] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: what is the output of mount | grep cdrom0 ?
[09:41] <arrenlex> flaccid: If it wasn't there, it would be file not found.
[09:42] <ironfroggy> im seeing an "address already in use" when i restart cups
[09:42] <WiglyWorm> How do I open a shell that ISN'T the run command window?
[09:42] <WiglyWorm> So I can keep retrying without reopening.
[09:42] <llutz> WiglyWorm: "konsole"
[09:42] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: also try a sudo chmod +x /media/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh && /media/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh
[09:42] <arrenlex> WiglyWorm: konsole
[09:42] <WiglyWorm> ty
[09:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do make my windows looking like the window vista windows, cuz right now, in beryl when i pick an vista theme, i get the transparent tab alright, but everything under it is normal white color, i like how vista has the line (right below the transparent tabs) that contains:file, edit, insert, etc, black, how could i do that
[09:42] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: i dont understand
[09:42] <llutz> flaccid: chmod on an iso-fs? ;)
[09:43] <flaccid> llutz: yeah i know. don't know why else he can't run it unless its not +x on the cd ?
[09:43] <ironfroggy> any ideas what has the cups port open?
[09:43] <llutz> flaccid: run it in a subshell (sh <file>)
[09:43] <ironfroggy> or how i can find out?
[09:43] <WiglyWorm> looks like yours worked, llutz.
[09:43] <WiglyWorm> Thank you much.
[09:43] <Kris> *bye*
[09:44] <llutz> WiglyWorm: np
[09:44] <WiglyWorm> Where can I find a list of shell commands? I'd rather have something succinct than a long winded guide/readme...
[09:44] <flaccid> ah nice
[09:44] <flaccid> llutz: you don't need a +x perm for the script then hey?
[09:44] <llutz> flaccid: nope,
[09:44] <flaccid> cool
[09:45] <flaccid> can you actually set +x on a iso9660 ?
[09:45] <flaccid> i guess you would have to be able to
[09:45] <llutz> flaccid: try to mount with "-o exec", not sure
[09:45] <stdin> morning/evening/afternoon, depending on where you are
[09:45] <WiglyWorm> wow... umm.. what does this mean? "Do you want to install symbolic links to a directlory in your path?"
[09:45] <llutz> stdin: late morning ;)
[09:45] <WiglyWorm> I assume analogous to windows shortcuts?
[09:45] <ironfroggy> can i force something to let go of a particular socket?
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> ok, ive come to the conclusion that i cant get any software using apt-get
[09:46] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: consult the 3rd party doco
[09:46] <stdin> llutz: it's 8:45 am here :)
[09:46] <llutz> stdin: 9:45 here :)
[09:46] <flaccid> WiglyWorm: a symlink is similar and a bit more
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> is there any special port or anything that it runs over which may need to  unblock?
[09:46] <ironfroggy> xenophile7x7: try `sudo apt-get install vista`
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> ...vista?
[09:46] <ironfroggy> is a dumb joke
[09:47] <ironfroggy> i never made it as a stand up comedian.
[09:47] <xenophile7x7> lol, i see =P
[09:47] <vbgunz_> heh
[09:47] <stdin> want to ruin your computer? just install vista and you're done :p
[09:47] <flaccid> xenophile7x7: pastebin the error
[09:48] <ironfroggy> now i dont see any reason for that kind of baseless slander.
[09:48] <flaccid> i guess sarcasm can be slander sometimes :)
[09:48] <xenophile7x7> Reading package lists... Done
[09:48] <xenophile7x7> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:48] <xenophile7x7> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <xenophile7x7> radiant@VenatorNoctus:~$
[09:48] <stdin> I've tried vista (a few times), it's horrible (IMHO :P )
[09:48] <xenophile7x7> its like that for anything i try to sinstall
[09:49] <flaccid> xenophile7x7: i'd do a quick solution
[09:49] <xenophile7x7> stdin, i completely agree
[09:49] <flaccid> !source-o-matic > xenophile7x7
[09:52] <xenophile7x7> im using the amd64 version.  could that possibly have enythign to do with it?
[09:52] <xenophile7x7> since it wont support 32bit apps
[09:53] <stdin> xenophile7x7: check to make sure your sources.list isn't commented out
[09:53] <xenophile7x7> i have, its not
[09:53] <flaccid> xenophile7x7: use the source o matic and select the correct arch
[09:54] <stdin> ubuntu-desktop is in the main repo, on both 64 and 32bit versions
[09:55] <gnomefreak> also on install disk
[09:55] <xenophile7x7> i just finished with source o matic. do i just save it over the source.list?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: replace your list  with the new one
[09:56] <gnomefreak> erase old one copy new one or back up old one save new one as /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:56] <gnomefreak> s/as/in
[09:57] <stdin> then make sure to run sudo apt-get update
[09:58] <xenophile7x7> it wont let me save over it.
[09:58] <xenophile7x7> says i dont have permission
[09:58] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: you didnt open it with gksudo
[09:58] <stdin> xenophile7x7: are you using kate to edit it?
[09:58] <gnomefreak> or kdesu
[09:58] <xenophile7x7> kate
[09:58] <stdin> xenophile7x7: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:58] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: kdesu kate yeah what he said
[09:59] <Balsamic_Chicken> gnomefreak ur only in 3 channels
[09:59] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: im in 20 channels
[09:59] <stdin> some are hidden :p
[10:00] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: you only see 3 because those are the ones your in with me
[10:00] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok. got it
[10:00] <gnomefreak> theres a umode to do it but cant remember it off hand
[10:01] <xenophile7x7> still wont find anything
[10:01] <stdin> xenophile7x7: did you run sudo apt-get update ?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> did you save close than run sudo apt-get update
[10:01] <xenophile7x7> yes
[10:02] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[10:02] <stdin> did you see it fetching the packages lists?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> ill be back shortly
[10:02] <xenophile7x7> radiant@VenatorNoctus:~$ sudo apt-get update
[10:02] <xenophile7x7> Reading package lists... Done
[10:02] <xenophile7x7> radiant@VenatorNoctus:~$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:02] <xenophile7x7> Reading package lists... Done
[10:02] <xenophile7x7> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:02] <xenophile7x7> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <stdin> yeah, post your sources.list please
[10:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> gnomefreak u mean those are the only three on freenode?
[10:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> gnomefreak btw what irc client do u  use, i dislike konversation cuz it doesn't display some characters right for me, looking to change
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> # Automatically generated sources.list
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> # http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[10:03] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: no i have a umode set to hide channels im in (only if you are in those channals can you see them
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> #
[10:03] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: in pastebin
[10:03] <stdin> xenophile7x7: on pastebin
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> # If you get GPG errors with this sources.list, locate the GPG key in this file
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> # and run these commands (where KEY is replaced with that key)
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> #
[10:03] <xenophile7x7> # gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys KEY
[10:04] <xenophile7x7> # gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[10:04] <xenophile7x7> # Ubuntu supported packages
[10:04] <xenophile7x7> # GPG key: 437D05B5
[10:04] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: using irssi
[10:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> gnomefreak cool thx
[10:06] <xenophile7x7> sry, i lost the room somehow....
[10:06] <xenophile7x7> what did you say pastebin was?
[10:06] <Balsamic_Chicken> gnomefreak irssi do have other skins right, cuz the one that's on their official website looks a little plain
[10:06] <stdin> somehow :P
[10:06] <Balsamic_Chicken> !pastebin
[10:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:06] <xenophile7x7> yeah, somehow...
[10:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> what file sharing programs do u guys use
[10:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> i use frostwire and kmldonkey so far, i want more, maybe better ones lol
[10:08] <stdin> only thing I use is ktorrent
[10:10] <xenophile7x7> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/723/
[10:10] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: i use default theme
[10:10] <Balsamic_Chicken> gnomefreak cool
[10:11] <Balsamic_Chicken> stdin ktorrent is so slow for me, i'm on someone else's wireless
[10:11] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: please run apt-get update again
[10:11] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: what is output of lsb_release -a
[10:12] <stdin> Balsamic_Chicken: I'm on a wired 4Mb/s cable connection, so it's ok for me, not that I really use it all that often
[10:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> tsk psh... lol =)
[10:12] <xenophile7x7> refresh the paste
[10:13] <gnomefreak> xenophile7x7: its not added to that link
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> sry, try it now
[10:18] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: now try to /whois me and let me know how many you see
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol
[10:20] <gnomefreak> did it show more?
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> about 17
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken>  [Whois]  gnomefreak is a user on channels: #edubuntu #kubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-effects #ubuntu-kernel #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-xgl #xubuntu #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> [01:20]  [Whois]  gnomefreak has voice on channels:  #ubuntu-ops
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> [01:20]  [Whois]  gnomefreak is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/).
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> [01:20]  [Whois]  gnomefreak is an identified user.
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> [01:20]  [Whois]  End of WHOIS list.
[10:21] <gnomefreak> i know 2 are secret channels
[10:21] <gnomefreak> dont paste in here :(
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> o sorry
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> i thought u might have wanted to see what it looked like =)
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> sorrie
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's ubuntu+1 for
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> i saw it couple times
[10:21] <gnomefreak> feisty
[10:22] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool =)
[10:22] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: its used for testing releases it was for edgy until released now feisty until its released
[10:22] <Balsamic_Chicken> ic
[10:22] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool
[10:23] <gnomefreak> Balsamic_Chicken: now if you try it you should get a whole lot more channels im in :(
[10:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol, even more
[10:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> i'm not gonna count cuz it hurts my eyes hehe
[10:24] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's the women channel for
[10:24] <gnomefreak> its 32or so
[10:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> developers that's women?
[10:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool
[10:24] <gnomefreak> its for ubuntu-women team
[10:25] <Balsamic_Chicken> what's the ubuntu women team for
[10:25] <gnomefreak> some of the women are devels. to get women involved in ubuntu
[10:34] <damdalf> hi people
[10:35] <Tm_T> People? Where?
[10:35] <damdalf> here ;)
[10:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> wow everyone try /ping asunto, takes forever
[10:43] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: Well, to be honest, I'm pretty much nothing but a skeleton...
[10:44] <Balsamic_Chicken> Tm_T i was kidding lol
[10:44] <Balsamic_Chicken> Tm_T sorrie =)
[10:44] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: ;)
[10:44] <Balsamic_Chicken> i was thinking of the pirates of the caribbean movie, the earlier ones, where the guy steals coins and gets cursed so he's a skeleton
[10:44] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: Let's put it this way, my sense of humout will take much more than yours, ever.
[10:45] <Tm_T> s/humout/humour/
[10:45] <Balsamic_Chicken> ok =)
[10:45] <Tm_T> And true, I weight few kilos more than just skeleton, that's because I ate a while ago.
[10:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> Tm_T u mean it fell right thru u, so ur no heavier =)
[10:47] <DaveQB> can /boot be on lvm or not ? Googling is givining me back conflicting answers
[10:48] <Tm_T> DaveQB: I'd say just to be sure, keep it out. But that's because I don't know.
[10:50] <DaveQB> Tm_T:  hmm I moved all data off my main hda, re-partitioned, made itall LVM and cut it up into LV's and copied back over, having trouble booting now
[10:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> !lvm
[10:51] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:51] <DaveQB> yeah read that tldp document, its great!
[10:56] <eilker> !ftp
[10:56] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[10:57] <eilker> i need a software like cuteftp...
[10:58] <eilker> what can i use ,?
[10:58] <eilker> !kbear
[10:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <gnomefreak> eilker: please use /msg ubotu <fact you want to know about>
[11:00] <eilker> ok
[11:04] <MidMark> hi
[11:04] <MidMark> in xorg.conf section monitor, what does it means this type of line?
[11:04] <MidMark> modeline  "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync
[11:05] <stdin> MidMark: it set what resolutions are available and at what refresh rate
[11:06] <MidMark> stdin: how can I find those lines for a specific monitor?
[11:06] <xenophile7x7> is there an ubuntu package that doesnt have a gui included?
[11:07] <Jucato> ??
[11:07] <Tm_T> xenophile7x7: You mean install cd that doesn't install X by default? Server.
[11:08] <xenophile7x7> kubuntu is packaged with kde, ubuntu is packaged with gnome, xubuntu is package with xfce, is there a CLI-only distro
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> or would i have to install ubuntu, and just remove the gui manually
[11:09] <Tm_T> xenophile7x7: You can use Ubuntu without GUI, just do "server" install.
[11:09] <Jucato> um.. Server CD != server/minimal install
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> ok. thank you ^^
[11:10] <MidMark> xenophile7x7: the right question is: is there an ubuntu installation without any desktop manager? :)
[11:10] <Jucato> or "an ubuntu isntallation without any GUI"
[11:12] <stdin> MidMark: I think there is a command that will generate a modline, but i can't remember it :p so use http://www.bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/
[11:12] <MidMark> stdin: ok thanx a lot
[11:13] <stdin> np :)
[11:13] <xenophile7x7> jucato: i thought that was essentially what i asked?
[11:13] <xenophile7x7> perhaps using 'package' was the wrong way to word it
[11:13] <MidMark> xenophile7x7: nope, you asked for a "package" a package is a single debian file
[11:14] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok. sorry about that
[11:20] <makuseru> can someone recommend a nice icon set off kde.look?
[11:20] <makuseru> kde_look
[11:22] <jakkass> the problem is
[11:22] <jakkass> what we may like
[11:22] <jakkass> you mightn't
[11:23] <makuseru> im just looking for anytihng but the regular "craystal" set
[11:23] <makuseru> so im trying to see what some other people like/use
[11:24] <kubuntian> !fglrx
[11:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:33] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[11:33] <MilhousePunkRock> Can Ubuntu installation instructions be used for Kubuntu as well, simply replacing "aptitude" with "apt-get"?
[11:34] <makuseru> you can use aptitude if you want
[11:34] <makuseru> same thing
[11:34] <Diti> Yeah, but I'm using Kubuntu and aptitude works
[11:34] <Diti> Yep
[11:34] <makuseru> ubuntu/kubuntu, same thing, diffrent wrapper
[11:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Wow, nice, I didn't know this...
[11:35] <Diti> Uptime: 53 minutes
[11:36] <balint> hi there
[11:36] <Diti> Hi balint
[11:36] <makuseru> hi
[11:37] <balint> im beginner. and the day before i installed kubuntu, but i didnt have internet. i have cable net, and only if i give fix ip works, the dhcp is not working
[11:37] <balint> the problem is at the internet company?
[11:38] <stdin> have you set it up to use dhcp in system settings?
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> anyone know how to get the debugger functioning correctly in kdevelop?
[11:39] <balint> yes, i set it up but the dhclient is just sending the ip request but no answer is given
[11:40] <avalon> Is there a way to use my USB memory stick as a general login for my Kubuntu installation? Also, can I store all my passwords on it?
[11:40] <balint> in win xp with ip config i found out the dhcp's IP adress,, where i can give the dhcp server s IP in linux?
[11:41] <MilhousePunkRock> avalon: That's a nice idea... If you found out how that's done, tell me... :-D
[11:41] <stdin> balint: I mean in system settings -> network settings?
[11:41] <avalon> Well MilhousePunkRock, I hope to be able to do that and MUCH more.
[11:42] <MilhousePunkRock> avalon: I was always thinking about using an USB stick as the actual key to my machine.. I never researched on it though...
[11:42] <astan> anyone know if there's going to be a new kernel package released for edgy any time soon? i just got my new laptop and i seem to be bumping into https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418 .. which i think is fixed in 2.6.20.. it's very annoying :(
[11:42] <avalon> I know you can do it with Winblowz.. but I'm hoping I can for Linux as well
[11:43] <stdin> astan: you can wait until April, feisty is on 2.6.20
[11:43] <dbase13> hi all
[11:43] <stdin> or you can try and install the feisty deb
[11:43] <balint> stdin: if i choose dhcp at network settings, i dont have internet.
[11:44] <stdin> balint: is it a single boot system, or dual boot?
[11:44] <MilhousePunkRock> astan: Compile your own kernel, it's not that hard and scary as you might think...
[11:44] <jakkass> I'm happy enough waiting till April
[11:44] <astan> stdin: hrm. okay.
[11:44] <jakkass> I can install from source if i want to update myself
[11:44] <jakkass> :p
[11:45] <jakkass> does anyone know when KDE4 is due out?
[11:45] <astan> MilhousePunkRock: yea. hm. i might just do that. my wifi is useless now. i just thought if a new kernel package was around the corner.
[11:45] <balint> stdin: dual boot
[11:45] <MilhousePunkRock> astan: Are you referring to an Atheros chipset by any chance?
[11:45] <astan> MilhousePunkRock: no, it's a ipw3945.
[11:45] <jakkass> ralink are the most compatible so I hear
[11:46] <stdin> balint: use the windows tools to get the DNS server IPs, then you can use them in kubuntu
[11:46] <balint> stdin: now i have given every ip i could. i mean i have given dns servers, the gateway etc..
[11:46] <jakkass> you can use any DNS servers though
[11:46] <jakkass> get them of a hosting provider if you use one even
[11:46] <balint> DNS servers are ok
[11:46] <stdin> balint: you know the IP addresses of the server now?
[11:46] <xenophile7x7> balint are you behind a router? or connected directly to the modem?
[11:46] <astan> jakkass: yea. would have been nice if this laptop came with a ralink instead.. but i really liked all the other specs.
[11:46] <balint> stdin: yes the dns servers are allright
[11:47] <balint> stdin: but i didnt find out where to type in the DHCP's IP adress
[11:47] <balint> stdin: cause the dhclient is sending the IP request to a useless ip, not to the real IP of the dhcp
[11:47] <stdin> balint: in system settings -> network settings , then in the Domain Name System Tab, add them there
[11:48] <hassan2a> Bonjour
[11:49] <balint> so in the Domain Name System Tab, there just type in the DHCP IP adress? i thought the DNS's adresses are meant to be given there
[11:50] <astan> MilhousePunkRock: hmm. i realize i'd have to make my own matching restricted-modules package if i'm to compile my own kernel (since the daemon part of the ipw3945 driver lives there).. would that be a hazzle?
[11:50] <astan> anyone who has done this?
[11:50] <stdin> balint: it the top section, there are 3 buttions, click Add to add them one at a time
[11:50] <MilhousePunkRock> astan: I really don't know, I have never created my own kernel on Kubuntu...
[11:50] <astan> MilhousePunkRock: okay.
[11:50] <stdin> astan: you could just try installing the feisty deba
[11:51] <stdin> *debs
[11:51] <balint> stdin: ok i will try as soon as my kubuntu Updates are downloaded. but i didnt know that i have to give the dhcp server, as a dns :O
[11:52] <astan> stdin: hm. i don't think the fix is in feisty yet actually.. i'm not sure. i'm new to launchpad and don't quite know how to work with it.. could you see if the fix for Bug #63418 is in feisty's kernel packages?
[11:52] <stdin> balint: the DNS server isn't the DHCP server, they are different
[11:52] <astan> stdin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418 <-- this is the bug.
[11:52] <balint> yes i know that
[11:53] <balint> but you said that i have to write the dhcp adress in the same area where i have written the dns's adreses
[11:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone know wether someone created a white/silver version of Kubuntu's bootsplash?
[11:53] <stdin> balint: no the DNS server IPs
[11:53] <balint> :)
[11:53] <balint> but the DNS's IP adresses are already set
[11:54] <balint> ive added two servers
[11:54] <balint> those that i found with ipconfig in xp
[11:54] <stdin> balint: what's the content of /etc/resolv.conf ?
[11:55] <stdin> astan: at the top of the bug page it says it's fixed in 2.6.19 and 2.6.20
[11:55] <balint> stdin: just a sec, i read it..   (but im not so fast , this is my first day with linux :D but pretty cool !! :) )
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: hiya
[11:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey TheGateKeeper!
[11:57] <astan> stdin: hm. okay. but what about "Declined  for Feisty  by Ben Collins" ?
[11:57] <balint> by the way the updates that are now downloading will resolve a the admin bug in the network settings? cause sometimes when i want to change something and i have to click on the administrator login button at the bottom, the conversation window just dont appears :(
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: you got synaptic?
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> don't think so, why?
[11:58] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: you running edgy?
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Yeah, since the beta release...
[11:59] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: ok quick favour please...
[11:59] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: sure...
[11:59] <astan> stdin: actually i think i'm going to go ahead and trust this guy: http://kmr.nada.kth.se/~mini/ubuntu/, he has a fixed ipw3945 module there.. and several people in the bug discussion reports that it works. i'd be okay with that until feisty is out.
[11:59] <astan> stdin: thank's for your help.
[11:59] <stdin> astan: ok, good luck :)
[11:59] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: put apt;/ into konqueror & search for kdevelop & gdb & tell me the version is in the repos?
[12:01] <balint> stdin ok i found out whats in resolv.conf
[12:01] <balint> nameserver ip
[12:01] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: kdevelop (4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2) [universe] 
[12:01] <balint> those are the two DNS servers
[12:02] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: gdb (6.4.90.dfsg-1ubuntu3)
[12:02] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: ok thanx, I might have to upgrade
[12:03] <stdin> balint: if you are installing updates, do the addresses for the servers get resolved? or did you put in
[12:03] <stdin> *PXs
[12:03] <stdin> samn
[12:03] <stdin> IPs
[12:03] <balint> stdin i wrote the dns ip's manually (added in netwrok settings..)
[12:05] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: I am off now... CU next time!
[12:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Everyone else: Rock on!
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: ok
[12:05] <stdin> balint: open konsole (Kmenu -> system -> Konsole ) and type in "ping -c1 www.google.com" to test that it works
[12:06] <balint> but now i have internet, im on linux now, but not with dhcp
[12:07] <stdin> are you behind any router, or connected directly to the modem?
[12:07] <balint> directly to the modem
[12:08] <balint> so now i got internet with manual ip, cause my internet company changes my ip very rare
[12:09] <stdin> dose getting  an IP address over DHCP work?
[12:11] <amik> small Q: in bugs.launchpad.net, is there any way of seeing all bug reports I've been involved in (submitted/commented/etc.)?
[12:13] <balint> stdin: now, thats my problem, that if i choose dhcp, i dont get any IP adress :(:(
[12:14] <stdin> balint: then it's something to do with your ISP then
[12:14] <stdin> amik: ask in #launchpad
[12:14] <amik> stdin: 10x, will do
[12:14] <stdin> :)
[12:17] <balint> stdin: whats ISP? :)
[12:18] <stdin> your internet company (Internet Service Provider)
[12:24] <balint> stdin: oh i didnt know that thta mans that, cause im not english :)
[12:24] <balint> means :)
[12:26] <balint> stdin: and is there a place in kubuntu where i can give manually the DHCP server's IP adress? cause the dhcp servers adress is: 10.250.0.1     and the ip request is going ti this ip: 255.255.255.255 :S
[12:27] <Flosoft> hey
[12:27] <Flosoft> I have got a problem setting up dvd::rip cluster
[12:28] <stdin> balint: that's the right address, it's similar for me
[12:28] <Flosoft> somehow it can never change into the correct directory on a remote server
[12:28] <stdin> balint: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[12:28] <stdin> balint: DHCPACK from 10.64.16.1
[12:28] <balint> stdin: you mean the 255.255.255.255 is a correct adress for dhcp? :S:S:S:S::S:S
[12:28] <stdin> that's what I get
[12:29] <balint> stdin the same for me but i only have the request :(
[12:29] <stdin> balint: then talk to your internet company, it's a problem on their end
[12:30] <balint> arghhhhhhhhh stupid companys :@
[12:31] <balint> yet i have internet , but i dont want to check my ip and retype in linux whenever they change my ip
[12:33] <B-Minus_> hello
[12:33] <B-Minus_> does anyone know good software to manage an ipod ?
[12:33] <B-Minus_> gtkpod isnt the one for me
[12:34] <stdin> amarok should be able to do it
[12:35] <balint> stdin: can you tell me ts easy to install nvidia graphics driver on kubuntu?
[12:35] <stdin> balint: I don't have one, but it's quite easy, there is a help page for it
[12:35] <stdin> !nvidia
[12:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:36] <stdin> B-Minus_: there is also Banshee
[12:37] <B-Minus_> ok tnx
[12:41] <balint> thx
[12:41] <balint> another question: how can i isntall opera? just type apt-get install opera?
[12:42] <stdin> !opera
[12:43] <stdin> huh, bot's ignoring me :p
[12:43] <stdin> balint: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[12:44] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[12:44] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[12:45] <balint> thx i checked the link, and maybe now im getting to understand the way that linux works. i mean the packages :)
[12:46] <stdin> it's really more the debian way than the linux way, but apt rocks :D
[12:49] <balint> stdin: well i see that there are a lots of linux distributions :D but though im a beginner, i remain at Kubuntu, nad maybe when i will be Linux Master, than i will try other distribs :D
[12:49] <balint> but KDE is pretty nice
[12:51] <stdin> balint: I've been using linux for over 10 years, and Kubuntu is the 1st distribution I've kept for over a gear
[12:51] <stdin> s/gear/year
[12:51] <stdin> before Kubuntu, I was using debian sid + kde
[12:53] <beels15> wie komme ich in den deutschen chat ?
[12:53] <stdin> !de
[12:53] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:54] <balint> stdin: i tryed that opera link, but when i install the package i get an error
[12:54] <beels15> bekomme keinen chat zum starten
[12:54] <balint> :(
[12:54] <stdin> balint: what was the error?
[12:55] <balint> how can i copy+paste in linux?
[12:56] <stdin> balint: just select the text with the mouse, right click, choose copy
[12:56] <balint> ok
[12:56] <stdin> same as windows
[12:56] <stdin> (mostly)
[12:56] <beels15> i would in germanchat bat i have problem ( irc-problem ) please help me
[12:57] <balint> by the way to install the package, right click, kubuntu package menu--> install package?
[12:57] <stdin> beels15: to join the german chat use: /join #kubuntu-de
[12:57] <stdin> balint: yes, there are other ways too, but that works
[12:57] <beels15> Zum joinen mit einem IRC-Clienten: irc.linux-mods.de #ubuntu-forum.de
[12:57] <beels15> thist is a text
[12:58] <beels15> and than finish
[12:58] <stdin> beels15: use pastebin if its a large error
[12:58] <beels15> Zum joinen mit einem IRC-Clienten: irc.linux-mods.de #ubuntu-forum.de
[12:58] <balint> dpkg: ... no such file or directory
[12:58] <balint> thtats the error
[12:59] <beels15> please help me
[12:59] <beels15> i have problem with movis and pics its not runing
[12:59] <stdin> balint: open konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole)
[12:59] <balint> got it
[01:00] <balint> and now?
[01:00] <beels15> and ?
[01:00] <stdin> beels15: where doi you download the file to?
[01:01] <stdin> beels15: what do you mean, what's  the problem?
[01:01] <stdin> balint: where did you download the file to?
[01:01] <beels15> i cant not opening the germanchat
[01:02] <stdin> beels15: join the german chennel #kubuntu-de
[01:02] <beels15> sorry can not
[01:02] <balint> oh man, sorry i found out the problem :( with my windows reflex i put it into a new folder
[01:02] <stdin> balint: heh :p
[01:02] <balint> but after i put it into the home folder, it installed correctlx :D
[01:02] <ted_> how do i extract .7z?
[01:02] <balint> x=y
[01:03] <balint> oh im so happy :D i go check out my brand new opera browser :D
[01:03] <stdin> ted_: have you tried in ark ?
[01:03] <beels15> and than ?
[01:03] <beels15> its not a chatroom
[01:03] <stdin> beels15: ask your question in #kubuntu-de (I can't reas german )
[01:04] <stdin> *read
[01:04] <ted_> thanks :) it didnt associate, so i didnt think it actuallt could open the file :)
[01:04] <stdin> :)
[01:05] <beels15> oky
[01:05] <beels15> Thank you
[01:05] <stdin> ted_: you may need the p7zip to open it, from multiverse (if ark doesn't work)
[01:05] <beels15> goooooood bye
[01:05] <stdin> You're welcome beels15
[01:05] <beels15> and hapy new year
[01:06] <stdin> and to you too
[01:06] <ted_> oh, but it worked :)
[01:06] <stdin> all the better then :p
[01:06] <beels15> sorry my english is not good
[01:06] <beels15> stdin:
[01:06] <dbase13> hi, i have a problem installling beryl
[01:07] <stdin> beels15: your english is good enough for me to understand :)
[01:07] <dbase13> can you help me stdin, just a second...
[01:07] <stdin> dbase13: what's the problem ?
[01:07] <dbase13> it's really noobish :-)
[01:07] <beels15> thank you
[01:07] <dbase13> to add the repositories for Beryl, i have to do this command:
[01:07] <dbase13> deb http://media.blutkind.org/xgl/ edgy main-edgy
[01:07] <beels15> stdin:
[01:07] <sedat> where can I set master volume
[01:08] <stdin> beels15: no problam, you are welcome :)
[01:08] <dbase13> but then i get 'bash: deb: command not found'
[01:08] <stdin> dbase13: you need to put that line in to /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[01:08] <stdin> sedat: what do you mean?
[01:08] <balint> OH IT WORKS :D I mean Opera :D
[01:09] <stdin> balint: good :D
[01:09] <sedat> stdin: I mean I want to adjust my volume
[01:09] <beels15> stdin:my problem is i have not multimedia (movis or jpg ) and i have not a bearningroompg.
[01:09] <sedat> stdin: How can I do that without Fn key in my laptop
[01:10] <stdin> sedat: if you look in the system tray (bottom right), do you see a speaker icon?
[01:10] <sedat> stdin: I looked for it in system setting but I can't find anything
[01:10] <sedat> stdin: no there is not
[01:10] <stdin> sedat: press alt-f2 in there type "kmix" (without quotes) then click run
[01:12] <dbase13> and i thaught my question was noobish
[01:12] <stdin> beels15: you need to install some packages, but the help page is only in english, so ask in #kubuntu-de
[01:12] <stdin> dbase13: what howto are you following?
[01:15] <StingRay> Hi, stdin.
[01:15] <stdin> hi StingRay :)
[01:16] <dbase13> stdin, can you help me out for a second
[01:16] <balint> how can i set opera to be the primary browser?? insted of konkueror?
[01:17] <dbase13> stdin?
[01:17] <stdin> dbase13: sure
[01:17] <dbase13> ok
[01:17] <dbase13> 2nd try :-)
[01:17] <dbase13> i want to add the repos for Beryl
[01:17] <dbase13> and so i have to do this in terminal:
[01:17] <dbase13> deb http://media.blutkind.org/xgl/ edgy main-edgy
[01:17] <dbase13> but then i get:
[01:17] <dbase13> bash: deb: command not found
[01:17] <stdin> balint: in konsole type "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and choose opera
[01:18] <stdin> dbase13: what howto are you following?
[01:18] <sedat_> stdin: kmix couldn't found
[01:19] <stdin> sedat_: try typing it in to konsole
[01:19] <sedat_> stdin: I realized that it is not installed
[01:20] <sedat_> stdin: I am installing it
[01:20] <stdin> sedat_: it should be installed by default
[01:20] <balint> stdin: i typed in but the links are stil opened with konqueror (link from here, irc..)
[01:20] <stdin> dbase13: like I said before, you need to put that line in to /etc/apt/sources.list, use this command to do it: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <stdin> balint: did you change it to opera with the command I showed?
[01:21] <balint> yes
[01:22] <stdin> balint: if you type http://www.google.com in to the run dialogue, what dose it open in?
[01:22] <balint> still konqoeror
[01:22] <balint> wait i try something
[01:23] <stdin> balint: try System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[01:24] <sedat__> stdin: thank you kmix works fine
[01:24] <dbase13> stdin, its a dutch tutorial => https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NederlandstaligeDocumentatie/Beryl?highlight=%28beryl%29
[01:24] <balint> default applications worked, had to type opera and it works, thx man
[01:24] <stdin> sedat__: you're welcome
[01:25] <stdin> balint: no problem :)
[01:25] <stdin> dbase13: ahh, it doesn't tell you where to add it :P
[01:25] <stdin> dbase13: you need to put that line in to /etc/apt/sources.list, use this command to do it: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <stdin> dbase13: use this one: deb http://media.blutkind.org/xgl/ edgy main-edgy
[01:27] <stdin> dbase13: is more recent
[01:28] <stdin> dbase13: ignore that :p , use this one deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
[01:33] <StingRay> stdin, do you have an Idea where the problem might be in my scenario: I have user1 connecting to VNC terminal session on 127.0.0.1:1 as user2. If user2 starts wine network application like mIRC only initial connection is made and then drop follows. I tested tightvnc,realvnc and vnc4server. Tested different wine versions too.
[01:33] <balint> bb thx for all the help stdin
[01:33] <stdin> cya balint
[01:33] <balint> i think i will be very often in this irc room :D
[01:33] <StingRay> I am 100% sure it is the vnc, because I have no problems with freeNX and the same user2
[01:33] <balint> bb
[01:34] <ParkSpot> e
[01:34] <ParkSpot> hey
[01:34] <StingRay> I am unwilling ti user freeNX, because it is a little unstable as it comes to session resuming and etc, stdin.
[01:34] <stdin> StingRay: do normal network apps run in VNC?
[01:34] <StingRay> yup
[01:34] <StingRay> konversaton is fine
[01:34] <stdin> it may be a problam with wine then
[01:34] <StingRay> skype too
[01:35] <StingRay> wine 0.9.9 and 0.9.18.
[01:35] <StingRay> I tested 0.9.27 but one of my apps is not supported
[01:35] <StingRay> I will test other versions too
[01:36] <stdin> StingRay: if normal apps work in network, then it's likely to be a wine problem
[01:37] <StingRay> I guess so, I will try different wine versions besides the above mentioned, stdin.
[01:38] <stdin> StingRay: just remember that wine isn't even version version 1.0 yet, so it may work with some versions, and not others
[01:41] <StingRay> I have some experience, stdin I had to make a warehouse app work with BDE, MSviewer and printing.
[01:41] <StingRay> It turned out that only 0.9.15 did this job well, stdin
[01:50] <tobias_> hello
[01:50] <stdin> hi
[01:50] <tobias_> i'm a blood noob o,O i got  problem with installing realplayer 10 ...
[01:51] <tobias_> a
[01:51] <usemody> hiya
[01:51] <usemody> need help
[01:51] <stdin> what's the problem ?
[01:52] <usemody> ive installed kubuntu
[01:52] <usemody> dapper drake
[01:52] <usemody> and its all fine
[01:52] <stdin> tobias_: have you looked at this help page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[01:52] <tobias_> mhh it just won#t find the package ... but i added the repositories ... i think at least
[01:53] <usemody> but if i view video theres only visual view but no tone
[01:53] <usemody> sound look like muted but is not muted
[01:53] <stdin> tobias_: use this method https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods#head-952f28daf565230d2827780b6cf3f7d31e116299
[01:53] <usemody> if i play audio cd then comes sound
[01:54] <stdin> usemody: what video format is it?
[01:54] <usemody> only by watchin video will be no sound
[01:54] <usemody> that happends by all formats
[01:54] <tobias_> ah thnx i will try it ;)
[01:54] <stdin> usemody: what application is it you're using to plat them?
[01:55] <usemody> kaffeine
[01:55] <usemody> looked 4 vlc but seems not aviable for kubuntu
[01:56] <stdin> !vlc
[01:56] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[01:56] <stdin> !info vlc
[01:56] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[01:56] <stdin> usemody: it's in the universe repository
[01:56] <stdin> !universe
[01:56] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:57] <usemody> and how can i change the repository in adept
[01:57] <stdin> that link will tell you how to enable the repository you need
[01:59] <usemody> aah ok thx i will try ..........
[02:00] <usemody> think in ubunutu hoary it was easy to find self out how to change and so
[02:04] <vieira> hi ppl
[02:04] <vieira> need help with print sharing
[02:04] <vieira> anyone
[02:04] <vieira> i've on hp in a desktop with kubuntu
[02:04] <vieira> i cant print form other kubuntu machines
[02:05] <vieira> but can't do it from a windows machine
[02:05] <vieira> when a check the logs the printer jobs is there but the printer simply don't print it
[02:05] <vieira> any ideia!?
[02:06] <stdin> vega-: there is help on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[02:06] <StingRay> stdin, I tested enought wine versions and am think it is a problem of how vncserver is starting the session. If I start the wine app on the VNC session I get this in my log: Xlib : extension "GLX" missing on display "1.0"
[02:07] <StingRay> Then the app is starting fine, but with these network problems, stdin.
[02:07] <vieira> StingRay: i've looked from that manual but a can't resolve the problem
[02:07] <vieira> :(
[02:08] <stdin> StingRay: I think that's just a warning that there the display isn't using GLX (openGL)
[02:09] <stdin> vieira: I don't know then. you could ask in #ubuntu to see if anyone there knows
[02:09] <StingRay> Do you think I should report this problem somewhere?
 i cant print form other kubuntu machines, you can't print from both linux and windows?
[02:09] <kubuntian> guys, is it normal that animations in powerpoint slides (written by Microsoft powerpoint ) don't work in openoffice?
[02:10] <stdin> StingRay: do you get that message from a non vnc session?
[02:10] <StingRay> nope
[02:10] <StingRay> stdin, there is no such message on a normal :0 session
[02:10] <StingRay> vieira...?
[02:11] <stdin> StingRay: Xlib has nothing to do with network anyway
[02:11] <x86> when I booted the Edgy install CD, it seemed to boot up just fine, and brought me into KDE
[02:11] <StingRay> I have some xperience with (K)ubuntu network printing HP
[02:11] <vieira> StingRay: i can print from kubuntu
[02:11] <StingRay> Ok, stidin.
[02:11] <stdin> StingRay: have you asked anyone in #WineHQ ?
[02:11] <StingRay> vieria, how did you share the printer? cups or samba
[02:11] <vieira> i've 1 desktop and 2 laptops
[02:11] <x86> when it got there, it gave me an error message saying "KDM has encountered a serious error, please check the logs", and now it's asking me for a login and pass
[02:11] <StingRay> I asked, but noone responded
[02:11] <x86> what is the login/pass to login to the install?
[02:12] <vieira> destop a 1 laptop kubuntu printing ok, but not from windows laptop
[02:12] <StingRay> how is sharing set?
[02:12] <stdin> x86: have you tried rebooting again?
[02:12] <x86> nope
[02:12] <StingRay> vieira, how is sharing set up?
[02:12] <vieira> StingRay: i've set cups and samba
[02:12] <x86> that would solve a KDM issue from the install CD?
[02:13] <vieira> StingRay: i'm new in kubuntu
[02:13] <StingRay> vieira, try directly to cups on http://.....:631 from windows
[02:13] <stdin> x86: try rebooting, if you still see the error, come back
[02:13] <vieira> StingRay: i've read some articles
[02:13] <x86> stdin: i've got multiple machines :)
[02:13] <x86> stdin: it's rebooting now
[02:13] <vieira> StingRay: i can the cups page
[02:13] <stdin> x86: ok :)
[02:13] <StingRay> did you try direct printing to cups from windows, vieira?
[02:14] <StingRay> I have this working at the moment, vieira. I have the same scenario with samba too.
[02:14] <vieira> StingRay: how can i do that?
[02:14] <x86> stdin: should i do the "Check CD for defects" option?
[02:14] <x86> stdin: or just try a regular boot again?
[02:14] <StingRay> 1 mom to see if I can paste it. vieira
[02:14] <vieira> StingRay: ok
[02:15] <stdin> x86: try to boot the CD normally first
[02:15] <x86> ok
[02:15] <StingRay> vieira: it should be a network printer with http://printer_ip:631
[02:16] <vieira> StingRay: i can see the cups page with the share printer on kubuntu
[02:16] <StingRay> vieira, try this.
[02:17] <StingRay> I have it working, besides you save some processing of samba
[02:17] <x86> stdin: now i'm getting nothing but kernel panics
[02:17] <vieira> StingRay: in samba a can see the shared printer and a shared folder also
[02:18] <stdin> x86: huh, do you need any boot option to boot linux on that machine ?
[02:19] <stdin> x86: if not, then run the check for defects
[02:19] <StingRay> vieira, I cannot check my smb.conf for you at the moment. I think your problem is there or in network security.
[02:20] <vieira> StingRay: i think so
[02:20] <StingRay> vieira: Can you browse the folder?
[02:20] <vieira> StingRay: yaps
[02:20] <usemody> :)
[02:21] <stdin> the guide on the help page uses cups directly, samba is more difficult to set up printers on
[02:21] <StingRay> vieira: is name properly written (case sensitive!!!)
[02:21] <usemody> look like works ........
[02:21] <StingRay> vieira: I mean the printer name
[02:21] <usemody> thx to my helpers
[02:21] <usemody> :=)
[02:21] <stdin> usemody: vlc works then?
[02:21] <usemody> yes
[02:21] <stdin> cool :)
[02:22] <usemody> ive got all in output 4 install wich i know from hoary
[02:22] <vieira> StingRay: yes and in printer windows the status says redy
[02:22] <usemody> wich i have installed on a diffrent machine
[02:23] <usemody> based on gnome
[02:23] <stdin> usemody: horay is really old
[02:23] <usemody> has thinked try 4 test out and install kubuntu
[02:23] <hoffi> hi all - how can i change from kubuntu to ubuntu - I want to remove all the kubuntu stuff and change to ubuntu as if i had installed from the ubuntu disc instead
[02:23] <StingRay> vieira: do not rely on the status monitor mine is showing ready at the moment, though I don't have thiese printers
[02:24] <stdin> hoffi: what version of kubuntu do you have ?
[02:24] <StingRay> vieira: I can send you a screenshot if you wish :)
[02:24] <hoffi> stdin: i think its dapper - judging by the boot splash...
[02:24] <hoffi> stdin: yup - help confirms thatr
[02:24] <vieira> StingRay: :P
[02:25] <StingRay> vieira, did you try direct cups printing?
[02:25] <Jucato> "lsb_release -a" gives you information about the Kubuntu version
[02:25] <stdin> hoffi: ok, not sure if this will work, so make sure you have a backup of your data, for if you need to reinstall
[02:25] <hoffi> Jucato: 6.06.1 LTS so definatly dapper
[02:26] <hoffi> stdin: yup - done that already - its all in my seperate windows partition
[02:26] <vieira> StingRay: how can i do thta?
[02:27] <stdin> hoffi: if you go to a console, and use aptitude to install ubuntu-desktop then remove kubuntu-desktop, it should remove kubuntu and install ubuntu
[02:27] <hoffi> stdin: brilliant - is that all i need to do?
[02:27] <stdin> hoffi: should work, aptitude should want to remove all the kubuntu packages if you remove kubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <stdin> hoffi: i know it works in edgy, so may in dapper
[02:28] <hoffi> stdin: and if i use apt-get to remove kubuntu-desktop will i get the same effect?
[02:28] <stdin> hoffi: no, needs to be aptitude
[02:28] <hoffi> stdin: good - dapper and edgy aren't that differenyt
[02:28] <hoffi> stdin: but i can install ubuntu-desktop with apt-get? just im already doing that...
[02:28] <usemody> ok then can me one help once another yet ?
[02:29] <zorglu_> !ask | usemody
[02:29] <ubotu> usemody: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:29] <stdin> hoffi: so try, sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop , then sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[02:29] <usemody> need the macromedia flash plugin for example using flash chat
[02:30] <zorglu_> !flash
[02:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:30] <usemody> exist once 4 konqueror
[02:30] <hoffi> stdin: im already running sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and obviously its taking a while to come down the lines - then i can aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <usemody> and how can i get
[02:30] <hoffi> stdin: thanks :D
[02:30] <zorglu_> !flash | usemody
[02:30] <ubotu> usemody: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:30] <stdin> hoffi: no problem, good luck :)
[02:30] <hoffi> right - im off while it all downloadsd
[02:31] <usemody> thx will try then ....and java runtime 4 konqueror same ?
[02:31] <zorglu_> !java
[02:31] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:31] <stdin> usemody: as well as ^^^ that, you need to install sun-java5-plugin too
[02:32] <usemody> k :=)
[02:32] <usemody> thx
[02:32] <stdin> :)
[02:35] <Cuddles_in_KY> morning all.
[02:54] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:55] <gan|y|med> when starting k3d i get the following error message
[02:55] <gan|y|med>  GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont
[02:55] <gan|y|med> Segmentation fault
[02:55] <gan|y|med> is there a way to fix this or to disable pango fonts in k3d?
[02:58] <stdin> I've no clue gan|y|med, sorry
[03:04] <beels15> und jetzt
[03:11] <gan|y|med> anybody know sth about pango or defoma?
[03:14] <tamacracker_> Hey guys? What's a good .wma to .mp3 converter?
[03:16] <stdin> tamacracker_: try soundkonverter
[03:17] <tamacracker_> does that come with kubuntu?
[03:17] <tamacracker_> or should it be in my rep?
[03:17] <stdin> !soundkonverter
[03:17] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[03:17] <stdin> it's in universe
[03:17] <tamacracker_> sweet
[03:17] <tamacracker_> thanks
[03:17] <stdin> np :)
[03:17] <JP_P_home> hello
[03:18] <stdin> hi
[03:18] <JP_P_home> i do not manage to copy /paste from or to a putty window under ubuntu
[03:18] <JP_P_home> is this feature disabled under linux ?
[03:19] <stdin> JP_P_home: why are you using putty in linux?
[03:19] <JP_P_home> because it is easy to use with its session manager
[03:20] <gan|y|med> are there any issues with pango and unsupported fonts... and if yes, where can i download pango fonts (or font files usable with pango)???
[03:20] <stdin> JP_P_home: can you select text in the putty window ?
[03:20] <JP_P_home> I have about 10 server to access with different charset ssh keys ...
[03:20] <JP_P_home> i can select yes
[03:21] <stdin> JP_P_home: is i recall, that's how you copy, just select, and to paste you either right-click or middle-click on the mouse
[03:22] <JP_P_home> arf
[03:22] <JP_P_home> in windows that's right click here it is middle
[03:22] <JP_P_home> it works to paste in
[03:22] <Tm_T> Roger.
[03:22] <Tm_T> JP_P_home: Btw that session handling... you got that too in Konsole ;)
[03:22] <Jucato> middle-click to paste selected text is an X feature
[03:22] <stdin> JP_P_home: I thought it would be one or the other
[03:23] <JP_P_home> ;)
[03:24] <JP_P_home> but doesn't work to copy from windows to another apps
[03:24] <Tm_T> JP_P_home: So, just stick with Konsole, you don't really need putty. ;)
[03:24] <stdin> JP_P_home: it should
[03:25] <JP_P_home> from another apps to putty yes
[03:26] <stdin> JP_P_home: when you copy in putty, what dose middle-click paste in another app?
[03:26] <JP_P_home> Tm_T> Can it rules about different charset and connect me directly using ssh keys ?
[03:27] <JP_P_home> stdin> the last thing i have copy from another apps before copying something from putty
[03:28] <Tm_T> JP_P_home: Well, just use normal way to handle ssh keys and you don't have to woeey about where and how you use them.
[03:28] <Tm_T> JP_P_home: And yes I'm pretty sure you can handle different charsets too.
[03:28] <JP_P_home> arf ok i understand it need to select then middle klick in putty, then it works in another apps
[03:29] <usemody> k last question
[03:29] <usemody> what can i use as simple web server app
[03:29] <Tm_T> usemody: For webpages? Or just temporary stuff?
[03:30] <JP_P_home> Tm_T> with konsol i need to pipe with luit for the charset which is very long to write every time, and i need to remember which server needs which charset
[03:30] <usemody> 4 publishing websites on my own machine
[03:30] <gan|y|med> are there any issues with pango and unsupported fonts... and if yes, where can i download pango fonts (or font files usable with pango)???
[03:30] <fdoving> usemody: apache.
[03:31] <JP_P_home> stdin> thanks you very much
[03:31] <Tm_T> JP_P_home: Well, you can just save whole plahplah to session "command" so it'll be run while starting session.
[03:31] <stdin> usemody: well there is apache/apache2, boa, cherokee, fnord, and many, many more :p
[03:31] <stdin> JP_P_home: you're welcome :)
[03:31] <usemody> yes but i need once who i can copy file into a dir and then its released
[03:32] <gan|y|med> usemody: what do you wanna do? do wanna write in plain html/css, or should be more advanced (php, dbs and so on)?
[03:32] <stdin> usemody: they all do that
[03:32] <Tm_T> JP_P_home: Anyway, Konsole is surprisingly powerful when you learn all those little tricks, play around and you might like it. ;)
[03:33] <Tm_T> Coffee break. ->
[03:33] <usemody> and which of them provides a webmin interface
[03:33] <JP_P_home> Tm_T> thanks i am looking to this
[03:35] <gan|y|med> i jsu twanted to point out, that a very convenient way in ubuntu is to use apache2 in combination with php5 and mysql. if you don't need the latter, apache might be a bit "oversized"
[03:36] <usemody> think apache if good
[03:38] <gan|y|med> as i said, it is very convenient in ubuntu, though you might have some problems with webmin in general
[03:38] <gan|y|med> how do i install additional fonts in edgy?
[03:38] <gan|y|med> are there any special packages or repos???
[03:39] <usemody> can i use confixx without trouble then ?
[03:39] <gan|y|med> dunno. but why do you need a gui config?
[03:39] <stdin> gan|y|med: you can search for fonts in adept
[03:40] <Jucato> gan|y|med: System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts installer for fonts you downloaded yourself
[03:40] <gan|y|med> yes, do you know how many results i get from this?
[03:40] <stdin> lots
[03:40] <Jucato> and lots
[03:40] <Jucato> :)
[03:40] <gan|y|med> i need pango fonts
[03:40] <gan|y|med> isn't there a font package (you know, the user-friendly kind of thing)?
[03:41] <usemody> plan a setup of a machine as web and other server wich i can administrate from anywhere
[03:41] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:41] <gan|y|med> usemody: ssh?
[03:41] <akn> need help with screen resolution on kubuntu , anyone ?
[03:42] <stdin> ssh is very useful for remote admin
[03:42] <usemody> yes thats one way ..........
[03:42] <stdin> !resolution | akn
[03:42] <ubotu> akn: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:42] <Jucato> !xconfig
[03:42] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[03:42] <gan|y|med> ok, i only know that i am running my own web server just for the php/mysql stuff i develop from time to time. after adapting one or two settings for php usage i haven't had the need to touch the apache config again
[03:42] <usemody> but i do give any parts of this service my friends as sub pages or so
[03:43] <ubuntu_> how to install 2 operating system in one PC
[03:43] <ubuntu_> how to install 2 operating system in one PC?
[03:43] <Lynoure> ubuntu_: Which 2?
[03:43] <usemody> and they dont use linux or have plan about thing like ssh or putty or so
[03:43] <gan|y|med> ah, so you'll want to have virtual machines?
[03:43] <akn> that was superfast. thanks.
[03:43] <gan|y|med> there is webmin for windows?
[03:44] <stdin> gan|y|med: doubt it
[03:44] <gan|y|med> argh
[03:44] <tobias_> mhh i have a problem with the repositories i think
[03:44] <stdin> tobias_: what's the problem ?
[03:44] <gan|y|med> how shall i figure out which if the 1 million fonts out there is missing on my machine....????
[03:44] <usemody> webmin can be used by request a specific url in a web browser
[03:45] <usemody> thats why i love this
[03:45] <gan|y|med> anybody tried K-3D in edgy???
[03:45] <tobias_> if i search for packages it won't find them ... neither in adept nor on the console ... and i think i added the ones i need
[03:45] <gan|y|med> usemody: oh, sorry
[03:45] <gan|y|med> i forgot
[03:45] <Jucato> gan|y|med: not a KDE app :)
[03:45] <gan|y|med> Jucato: so better ask in ubuntu?
[03:46] <Jucato> gan|y|med: most probably... although not sure if there would users of K3D in here as well
[03:46] <Jucato> I think there's a bug in k3d btw...
[03:46] <gan|y|med> really?
[03:46] <gan|y|med> sorry
[03:46] <stdin> tobias_: a package in particular, or any package?
[03:47] <gan|y|med> it is just one of the things... you use debug option and what you get is lots! of output, but the exact! same error message and nothing more
[03:47] <tobias_> mhh somepackeges i tried ... for example i tried to install frozen-bubble ... as the help sais it's in universe but ... it won#t find it
[03:48] <stdin> tobias_: have you enabled the universe repository ?
[03:48] <tobias_> i think so
[03:48] <gan|y|med> Jucato:  if you mean the dpkg config bug, it is solved. but now there is a segfault, complaining about not being able to load pango fonts
[03:48] <ftldrive> what can i use to compare two directories? i used cp to backup a large directory and i want to be sure the copy and the original are identical
[03:48] <stdin> tobias_: after you did it, did you click on the "Fetch Updates" button in adept?
[03:49] <tobias_> yes
[03:50] <stdin> tobias_: can you post the content of /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin
[03:50] <stdin> !pastebin | tobias_
[03:50] <ubotu> tobias_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:50] <gan|y|med> usemody: i don't know about graphical configuration, only know that ubuntu doesn't have a root passwd and webmin requires one. you can set a root passwd in ubuntu though, but you should definitely reasd about it first
[03:50] <tobias_> ok
[03:52] <stdin> ftldrive: maybe use xxdiff (in universe)
[03:52] <akn> Hi , Can someone help me with setting up the driver/resolution combination for an Intel 946GZ board , running Kubuntu , fresh install , my flat panel supports 1440 x 900 resoultion.
[03:53] <tobias_> here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/745/
[03:53] <ftldrive> stdin: i'm on a livecd, how can i get that?
[03:55] <stdin> ftldrive: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file to have "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse" in it, then (in konsole) run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xxdiff
[03:55] <ftldrive> ok
[03:56] <stdin> tobias_: open konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole) and in there type: apt-cache search frozen-bubble
[03:56] <stdin> tobias_: and past the optput on pastebin too
[03:57] <stdin> akn: try running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[03:57] <candyban> Hi guys ... how come in edgy, many folders are "hidden" even though they should not be? (not preceded with a dot) ...
[03:57] <stdin> !hidden | candyban
[03:57] <tobias_> there is no output
[03:57] <ubotu> candyban: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[03:58] <stdin> tobias_: try first running: sudo apt-get update
[03:58] <stdin> tobias_: then the other command again
[04:00] <tobias_> still nothing
[04:00] <stdin> tobias_: dose sudo apt-get update show any errors?
[04:01] <jakkass> what is the min sys requirements for Kubuntu Edgy guys?
[04:01] <tobias_> Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release nicht holen  Unabl                      e to find expected entry  commercial/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (ma                      lformed Release file?)
[04:02] <jakkass> anyone?
[04:02] <gan|y|med> what debian release is edgy built on?
[04:03] <fdoving> gan|y|med: sid. at the time of sync freeze.
[04:03] <gan|y|med> thx
[04:04] <stdin> tobias_: try replacing the sources.list file with this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/747/
[04:04] <gan|y|med> sid is unstable, isn't it?
[04:05] <Zamber_> http://www.jewbuntu.com/
[04:05] <tobias_> ok
[04:05] <gan|y|med> or experimental?
[04:06] <Jucato> gan|y|med: unstable
[04:06] <Jucato> etch is the current testing, sarge the current stable
[04:06] <marco_> stdin: Hi, I'm midmark, on the pc with the nec monitor to be set, I've reconfigured xserver-xorg and it manually configured for me the xorg.conf files, all resolutions works pretty well apart 1024x768 that it's interlaced at every frequency
[04:06] <gan|y|med> thx
[04:07] <gan|y|med> always getting confused
[04:07] <Jiraiya> salut
[04:07] <Jucato> sid will always be unstable, even when stable and testing changes
[04:07] <Jiraiya> salut =))
[04:07] <Jucato> omg! ero sennin...
[04:08] <JP_P_home> i'm back
[04:08] <JP_P_home> another quastion
[04:08] <JP_P_home> i've update from dapper to edgy
[04:08] <marco_> can be the modeline row with too high freq?
[04:08] <kenny> someone who can help me with Dell 6400 wifi 3945?
[04:09] <JP_P_home> and now my drives when they are shown on desktop are named with their device name
[04:09] <JP_P_home> no longer with their label
[04:09] <JP_P_home> how can i change this ?
[04:09] <stdin> marco_: that's probably it, try changing it
[04:09] <stdin> kenny: have you looked at the wifi documentation ?
[04:09] <gan|y|med> mixing package releases is not a good idea...
[04:10] <konrad_> heja mam takie putanie bo niedawno jak wczoraj zainstalowaem soie linuxa i jestem jego szczeliwym uzytkownikiem ale jak odpalic program ktory w konsoli nie ruszyc bo wywala ze komenda nieznan?
[04:10] <fdoving> !pl | konrad_
[04:10] <ubotu> konrad_: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[04:10] <Jucato> gah fdoving is fast
[04:10] <tobias_> stdin: ah thnx a lot it's working now
[04:10] <stdin> tobias_: no problem :)
[04:11] <tobias_> uhm and just learn something ... what did you do ?
[04:11] <hassan2a> anyone one playing to tremulous ?
[04:12] <stdin> tobias_: I just used source-o-matic to make a now sources.list ( http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ )
[04:14] <stdin> JP_P_home: I think that's a bug in edgy
[04:14] <JP_P_home> arf
[04:14] <tobias_> :) thnx again
[04:14] <stdin> np tobias_  :)
[04:15] <stdin> JP_P_home: it's fixed in feisty anyway
[04:15] <JP_P_home> lol
[04:15] <JP_P_home> so i will have to work this way until i decide to do the update
[04:16] <JP_P_home> i've update from dapper about 12 hours ago :)
[04:16] <stdin> JP_P_home: basically, yse
[04:16] <stdin> JP_P_home: feisty is out in a few months
[04:16] <stdin> (if it's not delayed like daper)
[04:17] <stdin> *dapper
[04:17] <Jucato> 2007 April to be exact
[04:17] <MementoMori> hi all
[04:17] <MementoMori> I've a little problem installing kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop
[04:17] <stdin> Jucato: April 19th 2007 to be really exact :p
[04:18] <Jucato> lol :)
[04:18] <JP_P_home> stdin> ths will be a long term support like dapper ?
[04:18] <david___> salut
[04:18] <MementoMori> actually the problem is on correctly configuring my hd
[04:18] <stdin> JP_P_home: no
[04:18] <Jucato> there's no announcement yet when the next LTS release will be
[04:18] <stdin> JP_P_home: iirc 18 months support for feisty
[04:19] <stdin> probably close to end of life for dapper
[04:19] <JP_P_home> the problem is that LTS does not need long term update for application :(
[04:20] <MementoMori> I have booted my laptop with kubuntu i386 dvd and installed lvm2 package... but when I do: $ sudo vgscan       it replies with "No program "vgscan" found for your current version of LVM"
[04:20] <stdin> JP_P_home: for the packages in main it dose
[04:20] <MementoMori> how can I fix
[04:20] <MementoMori> ?
[04:22] <stdin> MementoMori: are you using the text installer or the graphical one?
[04:22] <MementoMori> stdin: the gui one
[04:23] <stdin> MementoMori: to setup LVM, you need to use the text one
[04:23] <MementoMori> hum..... ok
[04:23] <MementoMori> i'll try it now
[04:23] <MementoMori> thank you stdin
[04:24] <stdin> you're welcome :)
[04:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :0
[04:25] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:25] <BluesKaj> I'm in java dependency hell !
[04:26] <Jucato> ?
[04:27] <stdin> BluesKaj: from the repos, or downloaded packages ?
[04:27] <frojnd> hello
[04:27] <BluesKaj> deb pkges
[04:27] <Kroliko> hello
[04:27] <stdin> BluesKaj: what's the error?
[04:27] <frojnd> what packages do I ndeed to install that I can see movies on youtube.com with firefox?
[04:27] <Kroliko> im from polish and i dont good speak english
[04:27] <BluesKaj> sun-java5-bin depends on sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-10-1.1); however:
[04:27] <BluesKaj>   Version of sun-java5-jre on system is 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1.
[04:28] <Kroliko> i have question: what run installation in text mode ?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> 1.5.0-10-1.1 , is the very version I'm trying to install...how can it depend on itself to install...looks ridiculous  to me :)
[04:29] <stdin> frojnd: you need flashplugin-nonfree from multiverse
[04:29] <Kroliko> hello? can everyone help me?
[04:30] <stdin> BluesKaj: you need to download the sun-java5-jre package from where you got the sun-java5-bin package from
[04:30] <Kroliko> ---What run install in text mode?
[04:30] <BluesKaj> OK stdin ..will try
[04:31] <stdin> Kroliko: a text installer, not gui
[04:31] <stdin> Kroliko: for expert install
[04:31] <Jucato> Kroliko: you need the Alternate Install CD to do that. you can't install in text mode using the Desktop/Live CD
[04:31] <Jucato> !pl | Kroliko
[04:31] <ubotu> Kroliko: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[04:31] <TheGateKeeper> Kroliko, you talking about the 'alternative' cd
[04:32] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj, what are you trying to install?
[04:32] <stdin> the kubuntu dvd has both GUI installer and text installer
[04:33] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: he downloaded a java deb to get a newer version, now has dependency issues
[04:33] <TheGateKeeper> lol
[04:33] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, it started with trying to get a FF java plugin installed , but it needed an upgrade ...it seems the upgrade depends on itself
[04:33] <stdin> BluesKaj: if you just want the plugin, use the one in the repos
[04:34] <BluesKaj> i have a plugin but some pages require a newer version
[04:34] <stdin> BluesKaj: it doesn't depend on itself, it depends on another package of the same version
[04:34] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj, yes use the one out of the repos, which version of (k)ubuntu are you using?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> edgy
[04:35] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[04:37] <stdin> heh, feisty has version 1.5.0-10-1
[04:37] <sedat__> is there a way to recover files deleted by rm command
[04:37] <stdin> just checked :p
[04:38] <stdin> sedat__: short answer, no
[04:38] <sedat__> stdin: no way :( any program or something
[04:38] <Jucato> anyone know the de facto standard file format for desktop publishing? and is scribus any good?
[04:39] <andreasw> sedat__: well there is the program recover which can undelete files on ext2 partitions
[04:39] <andreasw> sedat__: maybe it also works for ext3
[04:39] <sedat__> andreasw: which program
[04:40] <TheGateKeeper> sedat__, stdin there is but you have to understand the file system & be able to repair the link
[04:40] <andreasw> sedat__: the program is called "recover"
[04:40] <sedat__> andreasw: ok
[04:40] <x-factor> games!
[04:40] <x-factor> !games
[04:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:41] <x-factor> !ea games
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ea games - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <TheGateKeeper> http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/recover/
[04:42] <jontec> if I just put all of my debs from another amd64 install of edgy (also had plenty of dapper) in the /var/cache/apt/archives folder, will apt be able to distinguish between the dapper and edgy packages? I just finished cleaning up  break because I think I installed an edgy package
[04:45] <adaptr> jontec: it doesn't matter for which release they were "meant", as the packages are selected on version number anyway; you should be able to dump them all in one place
[04:46] <jontec> adaptr: thanks :D
[04:46] <Jucato> How do I backup and restoare my e-mail from kmail in a way that kmail won't fetch mails again (going to reinstall)
[04:46] <Mightily-Oats> hey all
[04:47] <Mightily-Oats> i got a question.. or rather.. a problem im hoping someone can help me with... my hdd sounds like it has this problem http://kiza.kcore.de/software/declunk/   any one know anything i can do?
[04:47] <stdin> Jucato: you should just be able to backup ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ and just restore it after the install
[04:48] <Jucato> stdin: only that? or sould I include ~/.kde/share/config/kmail*?
[04:49] <Jucato> stdin: I had this problem once when I did something similar to that. the inbox folder structure wasn't replicated, some of the filters didn't work, and identification/accounts also were a bit whacky...
[04:50] <stdin> Jucato: you'll need kmail.eventsrc and kmailrc from ~/.kde/share/config/ too
[04:51] <stdin> Jucato: I don't use kmail, so I had to look :p
[04:51] <Jucato> ah ok. thanks
[04:52] <stdin> Jucato: np :)
[04:55] <stdin> Mightily-Oats: there is a app on that page that's supposed to fix it, but read the disclaimer first
[05:01] <Mightily-Oats> yeah.. prob is.. mine isnt a mac.. its the same sound though..
[05:01] <Mightily-Oats> and it comes in a dmg file
[05:02] <harald_> all parts running in administrator mode have this messed up font in my kubuntu, but seeing as there is no root account enabled, I don't see how this is possible? how can I configure the font for the root user?
[05:02] <Jucato> harald_: run systemsettings as root, press Alt+F2, type in "kdesu systemsettings"
[05:04] <harald_> Jucato: thank you
[05:04] <StingRay> Is there a way to disable kicker for a particular user?
[05:04] <stdin> what would be the point of that?
[05:05] <Wulong> What packages contains mp3 support?
[05:05] <stdin> !mp3 | Wulong
[05:05] <ubotu> Wulong: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:05] <StingRay> stdin, I want a clear screen for one of the users
[05:05] <lotfi> hi
[05:05] <StingRay> I don't want anything but a particular app to be autostarted, stdin.
[05:06] <StingRay> I can disable kicker at all, but I think there is a way to do this for a particular user without having ot make special kicker group or something
[05:06] <Mightily-Oats> opps... system froze... was trying something
[05:07] <stdin> StingRay: hmm, well you could put a small script in the autostart directory to kill kicker (but they would be able to open it by starting kicker from alt-f2 )
[05:07] <Jucato> so you want kicker not to appear at all?
[05:07] <StingRay> alt-f2 is disabled :), stdin, the problem is that kicker restarts itslef :(
[05:08] <Jucato> StingRay: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Getting_Rid_of_The_Panel
[05:08] <Wulong> No suitable demux plugin. This often means that the file format is not supported.
[05:09] <StingRay> Thank you very much for this precious link, Jucato!
[05:11] <Prt9> hi, can kubuntu support bluetooth dongle?
[05:12] <Prt9> i hope there are humains here
[05:12] <Prt9> no one?
[05:12] <Prt9> great, so i'm going to sing a song
[05:12] <Prt9> lonely
[05:12] <Prt9> mister lonely
[05:12] <Prt9> i have no body
[05:13] <Prt9> to sing with me
[05:13] <Prt9> o o oo o o
[05:13] <stdin> Prt9: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:13] <Prt9> thank you
[05:13] <Jucato> !bluetooth | Prt9
[05:13] <ubotu> Prt9: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:14] <Jucato> and yes, it works. I have one
[05:14] <Prt9> cool
[05:21] <Prt9> thanks you everybody, it's working :) thanks stdin, thanks ubotu, thanks Jucato.
[05:21] <Prt9> bye
[05:21] <stdin> bye
[05:21] <Jucato> bye
[05:21] <Anakin> hello I am new tu kubuntu and I want a few tips if u can help me...first of all where is the /etc/inittab file the one we use to choose the runlevel that we want to boot in...and second...how do I activate or deactivate services...for example I installed the telnetd server and I cant start it....
[05:22] <wimpies> can anybody explain why my kwallet manager does not start when I want to read mail ?
[05:25] <d4ft> no
[05:25] <d4ft> sorry
[05:36] <FRauANtje> moin
[05:39] <reboss> hi
[05:40] <e1mer> !irda
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <e1mer> !ir
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ir - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <dartdog> Sorry I dont speak Enlgish... What is the channel for Kubuntu-es?
[05:47] <Tm_T> !es
[05:47] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:47] <dartdog> thanks
[05:47] <Tm_T> dartdog: ;)
[05:47] <dartdog> :P
[05:47] <dartdog> xD
[05:51] <BluesKaj> well, now I'm back to where i started at least , java-wise ... there is till no update to the new j2re version 10.1 which is available elsewhere in the debian pkges
[05:51] <BluesKaj> there is no update on the java site is what i meant
[05:58] <reboss> where is kunbtu FR ? please
[05:58] <reboss> french
[05:58] <zorglu_> !fr
[05:58] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:59] <reboss> ok ty
[05:59] <zorglu_> tips #ubuntu-fr a bcp plus de monde
[06:09] <jaxon> my kubuntu desktop i have choose to autohide the panel but now the panel doesnt reappear even when i move the mouse down to activate...?
[06:10] <crube> I thought I'd install windows to another partition to be able to play a couple of games. I know windows is nice enough to make the linux partition unusable after it installs the MBR. So is there a way to fix all that after installing windows?
[06:10] <BluesKaj> jaxon, right click on the desktop , choose configure desktop
[06:10] <Lynoure> jaxon: What if you move it to the bottom-left or bottom-right corner? I think lower edge was not the default?
[06:11] <Lynoure> jaxon: anyway, you can go to Settings in K menu and change it from there
[06:11] <jaxon> ok i have done that but cant see where to reactivate or not to autohide
[06:11] <stdin> crube: yes, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:12] <crube> stdin:  thanks
[06:12] <stdin> np
[06:12] <Lynoure> jaxon: I'm on dapper, so these might be different on edgy, but Panel ->Hiding
[06:12] <jaxon> thx lynoure n blueskaj
[06:13] <jaxon> sorry lynoure but from where do i go n choose panel
[06:14] <benjam> hello
[06:14] <stdin> jaxon: run (alt-f2) kcmshell kicker_config
[06:15] <jaxon> ok stdin but once i leave the gui i m clueless
[06:15] <jaxon> do i should type kcmshell kicker_config
[06:15] <stdin> jaxon: it opens the GUI
[06:15] <jaxon> cheers stdin...
[06:15] <stdin> jaxon: press alt-f2 (to open the run command dialogue) in there type: kcmshell kicker_config
[06:16] <stdin> had to find it, but i knew there was a way :p
[06:16] <Jucato> jaxon: easier way, press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol"
[06:16] <stdin> you'd have to find it in kcontrol, kcmshell kicker_config take you straight there :p
[06:16] <jaxon> thx people....sorted
[06:16] <stdin> :)
[06:17] <Jucato> but it might be a more familiar interface, and less letters to type :P
[06:17] <jaxon> :0
[06:17] <Jucato> not to mention less to remember :D
[06:18] <jaxon> thx jucato
[06:18] <stdin> well, there is always more than one way to do anything :)
[06:18] <jaxon> thx stdin
[06:18] <stdin> you-re welcome :)
[06:18] <stdin> *you're :p
[06:18] <Jucato> very welcome
[06:18] <jaxon> what would be the equivalent of typing kcontrol in gnome?...cos i switch between both
[06:19] <fdoving> gconf-editor i guess.
[06:19] <jaxon> seems computer hangs alot since i have both desktop package installed!!
[06:19] <Jucato> um nope...
[06:19] <jaxon> cheers fdoving
[06:19] <Jucato> er?
[06:20] <Jucato> isn't gnome-control-panel like the kcontrol/systemsettings of GNOME?
[06:21] <jaxon> also i m having a lot trouble trying to play a VCD disk ...mplayer / kaffeine keep saying i dont have the right plugin?..
[06:21] <zorglu_> !codecs
[06:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:21] <stdin> how are you trying to play it?
[06:22] <zorglu_> or you could get info on the plugin it ask for :)
[06:23] <jaxon> i have been to the page installed libdvdcss plus in automatix i have tried to install commonly use codecs but with no sucess
[06:23] <stdin> to play in mplayer use something like "mplayer vcd://track"
[06:23] <jaxon> i have a cd-rw n dvd-rw ..tried both but no joy
[06:25] <jaxon> seems i cant see the file at all
[06:26] <jaxon> i mean the disk
[06:26] <Dr_willis>  You dont need to use automatix
[06:26] <stdin> what happens when you put in the disk? you should be asked what to do with it
[06:26] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[06:26] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:26] <jaxon> nothing happens when i insert the disk
[06:27] <wimpies> Hi all.  I have enabled audio file previewing in konqueror but when I hover my mouse over an mp3 file I still cannot hear music.  What can be wrong ?
[06:27] <BluesKaj> automatix is tempting , but it breaks stuff
[06:27] <Dr_willis> actually does a VCD need decss
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I thought vlc can play VCD's just fine
[06:27] <Jucato> wimpies: have you installed the proper plugin to do that?
[06:27] <devkinetic> !nvidia
[06:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:27] <Jucato> !mp3 | wimpies
[06:27] <ubotu> wimpies: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:27] <jaxon> so i should get rid of automatix all together
[06:27] <wimpies> jucato : which plugin is that ?
[06:28] <stdin> yeah, i've used vlc to play v/dvds
[06:28] <Dr_willis> jaxon,  thats the catch... if youve allready ran/used it - the damage may be done. :)
[06:28] <Jucato> wimpies: look for it in that RestrictedFormats page, under the MP3 section for Kubuntu
[06:28] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[06:29] <Jucato> :)
[06:29] <Jucato> how very generous of stdin
[06:29] <Jucato> std::cin
[06:29] <stdin> I only noticed the change a couple days ago :p
[06:29] <jaxon> ok..so only way is to reinstall the whole thing...what about antivirus ..cos at the moment i dont use it..should that be a concern even with linux
[06:29] <stdin> maybe the bot needs updating? :p
[06:30] <stdin> jaxon: you don't need antivirus for linux
[06:30] <Jucato> stdin: nah.
[06:30] <lupine_85> you can get viruses for linux, but they're very very rare. There are none in the wild :p
[06:30] <lupine_85> nevertheless, there is antivirus software
[06:31] <Dr_willis> that scans for windows viruses in files :) normally.
[06:31] <BluesKaj> clamav?
[06:31] <stdin> that's the one
[06:31] <zorglu_> yep but this is to remove virus from the email between window users
[06:31] <BluesKaj> it's a pain
[06:31] <jaxon> i have tried panda but doesnt work also i have tried to install clamav n error message saying not able to install
[06:32] <Dr_willis> jaxon,  those products scan your windoww files for windows viruses... as far as i know.
[06:32] <stdin> !calmav
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about calmav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <jeroen__> #ubuntu
[06:32] <stdin> !clamav
[06:32] <devkinetic> hey guys i have a nvida TNT and i can't get any higher resolution than 800x600 and its supposed to go to 1280x1024
[06:32] <ubotu> clamav: antivirus scanner for Unix. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.88.4-1ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 65 kB, installed size 208 kB
[06:32] <jaxon> but that was through using automatix to install so i suppose that's y
[06:32] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[06:32] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[06:32] <stdin> sppelling :p
[06:32] <BluesKaj> !linuxvirus
[06:32] <ubotu> The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:33] <zorglu_> hehe window user WANT to have anti-virus :)
[06:33] <zorglu_> we should create a fake one with a lot of eye candy :)
[06:33] <jeroen__> hi all can someone help me? i want to watch dvd with totem but it says i need libdvdcss but it isnt in my pakage.. :)
[06:33] <zorglu_> like opengl animation and stuff
[06:33] <stdin> !dvd | jeroen__
[06:33] <ubotu> jeroen__: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:33] <devkinetic> hey guys i have a nvida TNT and i can't get any higher resolution than 800x600 and its supposed to go to 1280x1024
[06:34] <jaxon> also tried to use wine in installed a windows program but all it did was giving me the desktop icon but doesnt do much when i tried to open
[06:34] <BluesKaj> !dvdcss
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdcss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[06:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:36] <stdin> !xconfig | devkinetic
[06:36] <ubotu> devkinetic: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[06:39] <JP_PIALASSE> arf i have a pretty bug since dapper => edgy update
[06:39] <wimpies> jucato : which plugin is that ?
[06:40] <JP_PIALASSE> size of volume is not good
[06:40] <Jucato> plugin/codec
[06:40] <JP_PIALASSE> i mean size is correct but in fact occupation is inverted with free space
[06:40] <Jucato> wimpies: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 scroll down to Audio Previewing
[06:41] <wimpies> jucato : I run Kubuntu !
[06:41] <brandon> can someone help me get my wireless card working on this
[06:42] <Jucato> wimpies: did you read the page first?
[06:42] <wimpies> reading it now ...
[06:42] <Jucato> help.ubuntu.com is the repository for *all* *buntu documentations (official and user/community)
[06:42] <brandon> i have an invilink wireless card. built into laptop aspire 5100 series
[06:43] <stdin> brandon: have you read the help page on wifi ?
[06:44] <BluesKaj> !wifi | brandon
[06:44] <ubotu> brandon: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:46] <wimpies> jucato : I just installed mpg321 and vorbis-tools (which was installed) but no sound
[06:46] <brandon> yeah, im not seeing anything on my wireless card.. is there like a linux version of hardware manager like in windows?
[06:47] <Jucato> wimpies: you were reading the instructions for Ubuntu
[06:47] <stdin> wimpies: on the page it says you need to install libarts1-mpeglib
[06:47] <Jucato> wimpies: Audio Previewing -- The Kubuntu file manager Konqueror can preview sound files if you hover your mouse pointer over the file (this can be enabled in Konqueror's menu under View->Preview->Sound files). If you would like to add this functionality for use with mp3 files, install libarts1-mpeglib.
[06:48] <brandon> !hardware manager
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardware manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <stdin> !lshw-gtk
[06:48] <ubotu> lshw-gtk: information about hardware configuration. In component universe, is optional. Version 02.06-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 364 kB, installed size 1496 kB
[06:48] <stdin> brandon: maybe that ^^
[06:51] <blacksh33p> heyho got a problem with my 6.10 amd64 kubuntu live cd. shows boot screen loads everything but its tryin to load xserver to login, the screen keeps black. anyone got an idea
[06:52] <john1987> wimpies:alsamixer in terminal
[06:52] <john1987> and enable with "M"
[06:52] <blacksh33p> k thanx i'll try it
[06:53] <balint> hi there again :) im back from the baskettball match
[06:54] <balint> can you help me out with flash player?
[06:54] <stdin> balint: have you read the help page?
[06:54] <balint> where?
[06:55] <stdin> !flash
[06:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:55] <stdin> on the 1st link, go down to flash
[06:57] <wimpies> I was looking at the wrong preview ... sorry...
[06:59] <balint> well in the link is they say the same, like on adobes site, where you can download the flsah...
[06:59] <balint> they say to tyoe stgh into the command line
[06:59] <balint> the command line is alt+f2?
[06:59] <nikola> hi
[07:00] <nikola> ark wont let me extract ANYTHING from the kbfx themes i downloaded
[07:00] <stdin> balint: you need to enable the multiverse repository, then install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:00] <balint> where can i enable that?
[07:01] <stdin> nikola: what's the exact error you get
[07:01] <Jucato> stdin: are you on Edgy?
[07:01] <stdin> !multiverse | balint
[07:01] <ubotu> balint: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:01] <balint> (thats the same that i need for the graphics driver? )
[07:01] <stdin> Jucato: no, feisty :)
[07:01] <Jucato> er.. sorry
[07:01] <Jucato> balint: are you on edgy?
[07:01] <nikola> the extraction operation failed
[07:01] <nikola> then it gives me a list
[07:01] <nikola> and says "cannot open: file exists"
[07:02] <stdin> nikola: where are you trying to extract it to?
[07:02] <nikola> the desktop
[07:02] <nikola> its a folder called "kbfx"
[07:03] <nikola> and afterwards, i need to know how to install it -_-
[07:03] <nikola> the KTheme part of the download worked
[07:03] <balint> yes, 6.10
[07:03] <balint> stdin: yes 6.10
[07:03] <stdin> nikola: umm, what format is the file? tar.gz?
[07:04] <Jucato> balint: try going to a site that needs Flash 7, a popup should appear, asking you if you want to install Flash and should install flash for you
[07:04] <nikola> well
[07:04] <nikola> ya
[07:04] <nikola> but i used ark
[07:04] <nikola> and i can see the innards here
[07:04] <nikola> and it let me extract the KTheme folder, but not the Kbfx folder
[07:05] <nikola> i have tried other Kbfx downloads too, same thing
[07:05] <nikola> ....
[07:05] <stdin> nikola: try extracting to to somewhere else, then you can just move it after, see if that works
[07:06] <balint> stdin: opera already asked me, and i downloaded tha file that i need, to my desktop, i extracted it...
[07:06] <stdin> balint: tell Jucato that :p
[07:06] <balint> stdin: and it sais to type sthg in the command line
[07:06] <balint> stdin: jucato? hes opera fan?
[07:06] <Jucato> er.. I thought you were using Konqueror...
[07:06] <Jucato> no
[07:06] <balint> ok :)
[07:07] <nikola> nope
[07:07] <nikola> that didnt work :(
[07:07] <balint> no, i prefer opera... is that problem on linux?
[07:07] <Jucato> nope
[07:07] <stdin> balint: what was the file you downloaded ?
[07:07] <Jucato> no problem. use what you want
[07:07] <stdin> nikola: same error ?
[07:07] <nikola> yup
[07:08] <stdin> nikola: ok, let's try in konsole :)
[07:08] <nikola> mmk
[07:08] <stdin> nikola: open konsole, Kmenu -> System -> Konsole
[07:08] <balint> stdin: install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[07:08] <Dr_willis> the kbfx control panel applet says that themes go to -------->  /usr/share/apps/kbfx/skins/   or you can tell it where to look for themes also
[07:08] <nikola> yup
[07:08] <balint> stdin: and i already got this extracted
[07:09] <stdin> balint: what's in the directory it extracted to?
[07:09] <stdin> nikola: where did you save the file to?
[07:09] <nikola> the tar.gz?
[07:09] <nikola> desktop
[07:09] <stdin> nikola: ok type: cd Desktop
[07:10] <stdin> (make sure you use D not d
[07:10] <stdin> )
[07:10] <nikola> nope
[07:10] <nikola> i think its /Desktop
[07:10] <balint> stdin: flasplayer-installer (shell script)
[07:10] <balint> stdin: falshplayer.xpt
[07:10] <esaym> anyone know where a man page of tulip.c would be?
[07:10] <Dr_willis> its not /Desktop
[07:10] <esaym> netcard drivers
[07:10] <balint> stdin: nad a libflashplayer.so (+ a readme file)
[07:10] <stdin> nikola: /Deskltop would be in the root dir, you want cd Desktop/
[07:10] <esaym> I need to set the options for 100base
[07:10] <Dr_willis> ~/Desktop perhaps :) which is the same as /home/USERNAME/Desktop
[07:11] <balint> but in the readme is the same, to type in something into command line
[07:11] <stdin> balint: ok, open konsole and type: sh flasplayer-installer
[07:11] <ubuntu_> hello
[07:11] <JosefK> stdin: you know flash 9 is in the repos now?
[07:12] <stdin> balint: after you cd to the directory it's in
[07:12] <stdin> JosefK: yes, I know
[07:12] <ubuntu_> ci sono italiani?
[07:12] <stdin> !it | ubuntu_
[07:12] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:12] <ubuntu_> prego
[07:12] <stdin> :)
[07:13] <balint> in konsole how can i go from folder to folder? :(
[07:14] <pynsa> with cd
[07:14] <pynsa> cd folder-to-go
[07:14] <balint> cd desktop                 goes to the desktop folder?
[07:14] <stdin> balint: use the cd command cd /place/to/go
[07:14] <nikola> back
[07:14] <balint> ok
[07:14] <nikola> sry, i left, lol
[07:14] <stdin> balint: yes, but it's Desktop no desktop
[07:14] <Dr_willis> balint,  its named Desktop i belive
[07:15] <Dr_willis> balint,  Linux is CaSe SenESetiVe
[07:15] <nikola> aight
[07:15] <nikola> im ther
[07:15] <nikola> there*
[07:15] <pynsa> balint: try cd $HOME/Desktop
[07:15] <stdin> nikola: what's the name of the file (the tar.gz one)
[07:15] <balint> im in the install_falsh... folder
[07:15] <nikola> um
[07:15] <nikola> long
[07:15] <stdin> balint: type: sh flasplayer-installer
[07:15] <pynsa> you must master the basics about relative and absoulute paths to graduate from cd-padawan ;)
[07:15] <apixelatedoffice> I still have edgy, is the new release better?  Is it a nightmare to upgrade or a dream come true?
[07:15] <stdin> nikola: ok, nm
[07:15] <balint> now sh flashplayer-installer?
[07:15] <balint> ok
[07:15] <animimotus> hi
[07:16] <nikola> Black-Orange.qt+emerald.kde.theme.mngr.tar.gz
[07:16] <nikola> wow, thats alota dots
[07:16] <animimotus> someone has burn some DVD with K3b ?
[07:16] <stdin> nikola: just try, tar xzf Black-Orange.qt+emerald.kde.theme.mngr.tar.gz
[07:16] <balint> should i be root first? or instals it anyway?
[07:16] <stdin> balint: try without sudo first
[07:16] <balint> ok
[07:17] <nikola> haha
[07:17] <nikola> that worked real nicely
[07:17] <apixelatedoffice> animimotus, I had some luck searching "linux wine + dvd decrypter'
[07:17] <nikola> now i have a folder called Kbfx on the desktop
[07:17] <stdin> balint: if it says you need root, use sudo sh flasplayer-installer
[07:17] <animimotus> accents will be transform. For example :  becomes  <---------------- oO
[07:17] <stdin> nikola: don't know why ark didn't work, but at least tar did :)
[07:18] <balint> ok now its installed to /home/balint/.opera
[07:18] <balint> i guess now i have to test it right?
[07:18] <Dr_willis> stdin,  am i the only one that right clickss on archives and uses the 'extract' menu item? :)
[07:18] <nikola> now how do i instal it?
[07:18] <nikola> ;D
[07:18] <stdin> balint: now try looking at a page with flash in opera (if it's open still, restart it)
[07:18] <apixelatedoffice> the page has like a cartoon guy on it.  I don't know about all that animimotus, it seemed very user friendly, when defaults ... but also room to do more complex stuff.
[07:18] <Dr_willis> nikola,  that  kbfx program has settings - you can point it to what theme to use.
[07:19] <stdin> Dr_willis: that uses ark, and ark wasn't working for some reason
[07:19] <Dr_willis> nikola,  assuming that your theme versions are compatiable with it.
[07:19] <nikola> well, i got this weird program, KBFX Configurator
[07:19] <nikola> and it almost worx
[07:19] <nikola> i can set it
[07:19] <nikola> and then apply
[07:19] <apixelatedoffice> animimotus... just combine search words to find it, ... it's just windows programs that work very well with wine.
[07:19] <nikola> but it doesnt do anything
[07:19] <balint> stdin: thx its fine now, flashes are played on the pages. (installation could not be run with running browser.. :) )
[07:20] <cathal> everytime i boot into kbuntu I have to connect to the wireless network through the wireless assistant. How can i ensure this is done automaticly?
[07:20] <nikola> do you know of a better program?
[07:20] <Dr_willis> nikola,  mine dont either.. and i installed some other themes from the repos...  im thinking kbfx is a big work in progress
[07:20] <stdin> balint: :)
[07:20] <balint> im happy again :)
[07:20] <stdin> good :p
[07:20] <Dr_willis> i dont see any need for kbfx - its sort of ugly. and slows me down
[07:20] <stdin> to each his own
[07:20] <animimotus> apixelatedoffice: so DVD burning is not possible with K3b ?
[07:21] <nikola> *sigh*
[07:21] <balint> another question :) wich program do you think it is the best for MSN contacts? (aMSN, Gaim, or the default kopete? )
[07:21] <animimotus> I think my locale are ok
[07:21] <lupine_85> animimotus: works here
[07:21] <apixelatedoffice> you have to have an iso file, that's the only way it will work.
[07:21] <BluesKaj> how do I get wine to run "c:\\windows\\system32\\PROGRAM.exe" ?
[07:21] <apixelatedoffice> I think
[07:21] <lupine_85> apixelatedoffice: erm, no
[07:21] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  cd to where that program is at.. and use wine whatever.exe is one way
[07:21] <lupine_85> it works fine
[07:21] <animimotus> lupine_85: do you burn some none ascii characters ?
[07:21] <apixelatedoffice> can you burn data dvd and make it play?
[07:21] <lupine_85> enable UDF
[07:22] <stdin> balint: I don't use msn, so I don't know, try them all, see what you like (you can always remove them after if you don't like them)
[07:22] <lupine_85> apixelatedoffice: play?
[07:22] <apixelatedoffice> play in most dvd players.
[07:22] <balint> stdin: where i can remove the programs?
[07:23] <balint> stdin: or how? :D
[07:23] <lupine_85> I've never tried that
[07:23] <stdin> balint: you can do it in adept
[07:23] <lupine_85> but isn't that what dvdauthor is for?
[07:23] <apixelatedoffice> cause whenever I select burn DVD (as in recreational DVD)... it will only accept .iso files... shrugs.
[07:23] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, c:\\windows\\system32\\PROGRAM.exe. "Module not found"
[07:23] <stdin> balint: or on the command line with "sudo apt-get remove PackageName"
[07:23] <balint> stdin: okay. so adept is the program manager for linux?
[07:24] <stdin> balint: no, it's the one used on kubuntu tho :p
[07:24] <balint> :)
[07:24] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  dont expect wine to run every thing.. and what was the exact wine command you used?
[07:24] <stdin> balint: Kmenu -> System -> Adept :)
[07:24] <nikola> wait, ARE there other programs to install kbfx themes?
[07:24] <nikola> its just a folder with pics on my computer
[07:24] <balint> yes i found it already :) used it to get opera :)
[07:24] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter , forget wine , thx anyway Dr_willis :)
[07:25] <Jucato> nikola: I thought you don't need to extract kbfx themes to install them?
[07:25] <nikola> well, what would i install em with?
[07:25] <stdin> BluesKaj: try reinstalling wine (sudo apt-get --reinstall install wine)
[07:25] <Dr_willis> nikola,  all kbfx tthemes are - are just a dir with some gfx files.. from what i am seeing
[07:25] <nikola> installing K Themes is ez now
[07:25] <nikola> gfx?
[07:25] <Dr_willis> nikola,  how3ver it may be that theres some changes/version differances
[07:25] <nikola> they are pngs.........
[07:25] <nikola> ..........
[07:25] <Dr_willis> nikola,  right.. just simple graphic images...
[07:25] <stdin> gfx = graphics
[07:26] <nikola> well wat program will instal em for me?
[07:26] <Dr_willis> nothing fancy about them
[07:26] <nikola> i know
[07:26] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you just put them in their own dir. and point the program do that dir
[07:26] <Dr_willis> thats it.
[07:26] <nikola> WHAT PROGRAM? :P
[07:26] <Dr_willis> NO program
[07:26] <Jucato> you use kbfx to install kbfx themes
[07:26] <Dr_willis> you point the kbfx settings to look in that dir
[07:27] <Dr_willis> or so it seems.. downloading a few themes now.
[07:27] <nikola> ..................
[07:27] <nikola> i am totally confused ;D
[07:27] <stdin> kbfxconfigapp seems to be the kbfx config app
[07:28] <balint> why is that some pages are very slow in opera, and more faster in konqueror? :(:(:(:(
[07:28] <nikola> ark cant unrar things
[07:28] <nikola> how do i get it to?
[07:28] <Jucato> RAR?
[07:28] <nikola> ya
[07:28] <stdin> !info unrar
[07:28] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (edgy), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[07:28] <Jucato> you need to install unrar to do that
[07:28] <nikola> ya
[07:28] <nikola> how do i do that? :(
[07:28] <nikola> *such a n00b*
[07:29] <stdin> have you enabled the multiverse repository ?
[07:29] <nikola> yes, i believe so
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  part of the issue is that the dir structure has to be correct.
[07:30] <nikola> i enabled universe
[07:30] <Jucato> nikola: you need multiverse
[07:30] <nikola> ok
[07:30] <stdin> nikola: you need multiverse too
[07:30] <Jucato> !multiverse | nikola
[07:30] <ubotu> nikola: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:30] <nikola> how do i enable it?
[07:30] <balint> wich browser do you reccomend on kubuntu? konqueror, or firefox?  (opera is very bad on linux :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:( )
[07:30] <esaym> I like swiftfox
[07:30] <stdin> balint: I like firefox, and swiftfox is good
[07:30] <Dr_willis> balint,  interesting statement.. ive never heard anyone else complain bout Opera.
[07:30] <esaym> It comes with an installer
[07:31] <esaym> http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm
[07:31] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you don't need to extract themes for kbfx.. but I guess you need to make sure that it's compatible with the version of kbfx installed
[07:31] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  some of the theme files im finding have nested dirs with subdirs and screen shots and so forths and other extras
[07:32] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  but heck -  i cant find any that work at all.. not even the ones in the other kbfx package in the repos
[07:32] <Dr_willis> !find kbfx
[07:32] <ubotu> Found: kbfx, kubuntu-artwork-kbfx
[07:32] <Jucato> Dr_willis: have you tried to use the kbfx's control center?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yep.. i point it to the dir.. hit apply - it shows the dirs...  tried 4 different themes now.. it never changes anything that i can see
[07:32] <esaym> speaking of swiftfox, is there any way to get it to automaticlly update?
[07:33] <Jucato> hm... let me try
[07:33] <esaym> I like the way thunderbird gets updated through adept when I installed it via automatix
[07:33] <Far^Side> does anyone know how I could run a GNU screen inside another screen? So that I could make the innermost screen respond to keystrokes like Ctrl+A N instead of the outermost
[07:34] <balint> Dr willis: its different like in windows :( some sites are very slow in opera, and fast in konqueror). the links i store on the personal tab, are not working, only if i open a new tab. in windows whenever i click a link it opens a new tab... )
[07:34] <nikola> omg
[07:34] <nikola> i have universe enabled
[07:34] <nikola> but i dont know like, where multiverse is
[07:34] <Jucato> err... actually, I I lost interest.. I'll just trust you on this one Dr_willis :)
[07:34] <nikola> or how to make it
[07:34] <nikola> or anything
[07:34] <nikola> ............
[07:34] <nikola> in adept manager
[07:34] <nikola> and i read the site
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i think i figured somthing out... after hitting 'apply' you have to then hit 'reload' to make it take some changes... but i feel that kbfx is... err... junk. :)
[07:35] <Jucato> Dr_willis: :P
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  put that in your theme wiki page. :)
[07:35] <Jucato> at least it works. now tell that to nikola
[07:35] <Jucato> no way!
[07:35] <Dr_willis> its not really working.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> i just changed some images and it finially took those changes.. but not the theme changes.
[07:36] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I wouldn't even have included some instructions for dekorator if I didn't think it was that necessary... but I'm not going to put in kbfx there
[07:36] <Jucato> I focused on stuff that came by default or are supported by default
[07:36] <Jucato> (in KDE)
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  not even under the "things to avoide/dont ask me about' section. :)
[07:37] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  ya got a SuperKaramba section?
[07:37] <Jucato> no...
[07:37] <Jucato> coz... I'm not extremely familiar with that one :P
[07:37] <Jucato> and I don't consider that part of theming
[07:38] <nikola> what is the multiverse url?
[07:38] <nikola> so that i can make the new repository
[07:38] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[07:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:38] <Dr_willis> man - kbfx breaks so many programming/gui guidelines its scary
[07:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:39] <nikola> man, i already checked that site
[07:40] <nikola> i still need to get unrar....
[07:40] <balint> well doctor willis opera is fucking me right now
[07:40] <balint> its so slow
[07:40] <Jucato> !language
[07:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> !rar
[07:40] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[07:41] <BluesKaj> nikola, http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[07:41] <Dr_willis> I cheat and use wine and winrar.exe :) but tht broke on me the other day
[07:41] <nikola> lol
[07:41] <stdin> or use source-o-matic
[07:41] <nikola> will wine work on a mac?
[07:41] <nikola> lol
[07:41] <nikola> man, if only i could use my dad's intel.....
[07:41] <balint> ok, sorry
[07:41] <nikola> *sigh*
[07:41] <nikola> *sexy macpro*
[07:42] <Far^Side> nikola, wine will only work on an intel mac
[07:42] <nikola> ah
[07:42] <nikola> well
[07:42] <nikola> thats a waste
[07:42] <nikola> cuz you can just have windows
[07:42] <nikola> sure it isnt free, but bittorrent is :P
[07:42] <balint> i just wanted do download the nvidia vga driver, and it took a half minute to start the download :(
[07:42] <nikola> what program will work for unraring stuff?
[07:42] <nikola> i got multiverse to work
[07:43] <nikola> supposedly
[07:43] <stdin> nikola: unrar and unrar-free work
[07:43] <gan|y|med> hi
[07:43] <nikola> haha
[07:43] <nikola> ya
[07:43] <gan|y|med> could anybody pls try accessing dict.leo.org?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> !info rar
[07:43] <ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.1-1 (edgy), package size 239 kB, installed size 472 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:43] <nikola> got unrar-free
[07:43] <gan|y|med> i wanna know if i have issues with my router (again)
[07:44] <Dr_willis> !info unrar-free
[07:44] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:44] <nikola> is there any way to use OS X programs in linux?
[07:44] <balint> konqueror wasnt even able to download it... it started the download, but it stopped...
[07:44] <balint> why is that?
[07:44] <balint> oh man... opera isnt downloading it either...
[07:44] <nikola> like, erm, STUFFIT EXPANDER 10!
[07:44] <nikola> lol
[07:44] <stdin> gan|y|med: works here
[07:44] <nikola> ark still things that i didnt instal unrar
[07:45] <nikola> ......
[07:45] <gan|y|med> shit
[07:45] <gan|y|med> sry
[07:45] <gan|y|med> thx anyway
[07:45] <stdin> gan|y|med: i said it works
[07:45] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: It's in German, could not understand much
[07:45] <nikola> so................
[07:46] <stdin> Lynoure: didn't you see the "English Version" link :p
[07:46] <nikola> why doesnt it work?
[07:46] <nikola> ......
[07:46] <gan|y|med> that is why it is shit. that means, my router is going crazy again
[07:46] <Lynoure> stdin: actually no, it looked so messy I ran away.
[07:46] <balint> :(:(:(:(::(:(:(: i just lost contact with irc server
[07:46] <gan|y|med> you shouldn't discriminate other languages, even if it is german
[07:46] <balint> i had to restart the irc client
[07:47] <gan|y|med> ok, time for flashing the router
[07:47] <gan|y|med> goodbye
[07:47] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: I think it is pretty fair to discriminate webpages one cannot understand.
[07:47] <nikola> i installed unrar-free, but ark still thinks that it cant unrar things
[07:47] <gan|y|med> if you say so
[07:47] <stdin> nikola: try with the unrar package
[07:47] <gan|y|med> what about this is fair?
[07:47] <gan|y|med> you don't understand them...
[07:48] <Lynoure> well, no point visiting it, apart from pictures (possibly)
[07:48] <balint> is this normal that i lost contact with server?
[07:48] <gan|y|med> ok, we have a different understanding of the term discriminating
[07:48] <gan|y|med> never mind
[07:48] <stdin> balint: nope
[07:48] <Far^Side> how could I mount an iso-8859-1 fat partition on an utf-8 system?
[07:48] <BluesKaj> nikola use "unrar" then the file name
[07:48] <Lynoure> balint: hard to say without knowing anything about your network. But if it happened just once, no reason to get worried
[07:49] <balint> :( do you see what im writing?
[07:49] <stdin> ark should work with unrar
[07:49] <stdin> balint: yes
[07:49] <nikola> haha
[07:49] <nikola> work
[07:49] <nikola> s
[07:50] <balint> well the contact with this irc server just interrupts in very minute
[07:50] <balint> :(
[07:51] <balint> omg and i cant download the graphcis driver from nvidia, konqueror cant download it, opera cant download it...
[07:51] <animimotus> lupine_85: thank you, I had to check "UDF" case in K3b
[07:52] <animimotus> m DVD is readable now :)
[07:52] <nikola> how do i move a window from one desktop to another one?
[07:52] <nikola> aka, the 4 desktop things
[07:52] <balint> well i think i go to windows, and if the download is good in windows i wil cry...
[07:52] <uwo> hi all. firefox is using a newer version of flash player than konqueror (9 instead of 7), which means i can access more sites... how would i go changing konq to use 9 as well? i updated plugins already, how do i find out which plugin exactly ff is using?
[07:53] <stdin> nikola: right cllick on the title bar of the window (of the entry in the task bar) and go to: To Desktop
[07:53] <nikola> mmk
[07:53] <nikola> i still dont know how to install a kbfx
[07:53] <nikola> i have one
[07:53] <gan|y|med> hi again
[07:53] <nikola> and kbfx configurator recognizes it
[07:53] <gan|y|med> could anybody pls explain this to me:
[07:53] <nikola> but it wont install
[07:53] <nikola> i click apply
[07:53] <nikola> and nothing happens
[07:53] <nikola> :(
[07:55] <gan|y|med> after some time of marvellous functionality i cannot connect to some (most still work) sites on the net. after flashing the router firmware (and the flash is considered an upgrade! it is not the original firmware anymore) it works again
[07:55] <gan|y|med> why would such a thing happen?
[07:56] <stdin> maybe a bug in the original firmware
[07:57] <gan|y|med> but i have updated it. and it is not that i am the only oone using this fu***** router. what bug could result in such a strange behaviour....?
[07:58] <Lynoure> gan|y|med: hard to tell without knowin what is you router. If flashing the router helps, it is unlikely to be Ubuntu problem
[07:58] <Rorshach> I'm pretty new to Linux, and one thing I noticed while using a Live-CD of Kubuntu, was that I couldn't configure the wireless network, is this due to it running from a live-cd?
[07:59] <gan|y|med> i know. just thought anybody might know this behaviour form experience. btwm it is a netgear dg834n
[08:00] <bobleny> Hey, I have a question... The other day when I booted Kubuntu, it was at a 640 x 480 screen resolution. It wasn't like that before, and it should be on 1024 x768. I went to system settings and It wouldnt let me move the display settings bar. What should I do?
[08:00] <stdin> Rorshach: your wireless connection may need extra configuration, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:00] <ciro3> hello
[08:00] <andrej__> hello
[08:01] <stdin> !xconfig | bobleny
[08:01] <ubotu> bobleny: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[08:01] <Rorshach> thanks, I'll take a look.
[08:01] <ciro3> kubuntu very good!
[08:01] <andrej__> yes,it is very good
[08:01] <stdin> very, very good :p
[08:02] <nikola> i still cant get kbfx to work ;)
[08:02] <Dr_willis> nikola,  or rather.. it works with the default theme/settinjgs... and thats it...
[08:02] <lenscape> kubuntu is OK for beginners. A pain in the bum for experienced users
[08:02] <stdin> lenscape: in what way?
[08:03] <X-Fau1t> lenscape: kubuntu is good for everyone!
[08:03] <nikola> lol
[08:03] <lenscape> messed up Konqueror (half the toolbar and options removed)
[08:03] <nikola> ya
[08:03] <X-Fau1t> i dont agree with you
[08:03] <nikola> i still think there is sum way to make it work
[08:03] <lenscape> bash config is awful
[08:03] <ciro3> one question, i have ati radeon 9250, i can activate berryl?
[08:03] <lenscape> vim config is awful
[08:03] <Dr_willis> lenscape,  thats mentioned in the KUBUNTU faq. a single command puts them back.
[08:03] <Jucato> if you're an experienced user, you'd know how to get around those, wouldn't you?
[08:03] <lenscape> Dr_willis: there are so many things you have to 'fix'. That's the objection
[08:03] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  thats too logical.
[08:04] <stdin> lenscape: I've used linux for >10 years, kubuntu rocks :D
[08:04] <X-Fau1t> yes
[08:04] <lenscape> stdin: then you haven't learned much
[08:04] <X-Fau1t> +1000 stdin!
[08:04] <stdin> heh
[08:04] <Jucato> developers are experienced users.... they're using Kubuntu... that disproves the statement
[08:04] <stdin> lenscape: if you don' like the way kubuntu is set up, change it, or use another distro, your choice
[08:04] <Dr_willis> this is another one of those discussion lines - that will lead no where.
[08:05] <hatta> those are the best kind
[08:05] <X-Fau1t> Anybody used Mandriva 2007 powerpack?
[08:05] <lenscape> stdin: kubuntu happens to run better on this hardware than Suse. It's still way ahead of Windows.
[08:05] <X-Fau1t> Can anybody tell smth about it
[08:05] <Dr_willis> I would like to see more disrtos defaulting to the "default" kde setups and not so many  silly tweaks.
[08:06] <Jucato> getting -offtopic..
[08:06] <lenscape> Dr_willis: quite
[08:06] <Dr_willis> some of the live cd's ive tested lately - have way too many changes to kde.
[08:06] <lenscape> Kubuntu has good and bad points. It's good but it's has a way to go before it is perfect.
[08:06] <stdin> lenscape: no distro is perfect
[08:07] <vieira> hi ppl
[08:07] <lenscape> stdin: sadly, true
[08:07] <Dr_willis> Life has good and bad points. It's good but it's has a way to go before it is perfect.
[08:07] <nikola> ok
[08:07] <vieira> i've Print-Job client-error-not-authorized in my log file of cups
[08:07] <nikola> this is making me angry
[08:07] <stdin> heh
[08:07] <vieira> can anyone help me out
[08:07] <vieira> ?
[08:07] <nikola> kbfx.org is always down
[08:07] <binks> i need to delete a folder from /usr/local/games/epsxe but i dont have permission how can i do it
[08:07] <nikola> and i found a program that might help
[08:07] <nikola> a newer kbfx
[08:07] <nikola> how can i get it?
[08:07] <nikola> its not in adept
[08:08] <Dr_willis> nikola,  does the phrase 'learn to walk befor you run' mean anything to you? :)
[08:08] <Dr_willis> nikola,  go download the source. install the packages needed to compile it.. compile/install it
[08:08] <Dr_willis> !source
[08:08] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[08:08] <nikola> um
[08:08] <andreasw> vieira: do you try to print on a windows machine?
[08:08] <nikola> haha
[08:08] <nikola> i doubt that will find it
[08:08] <nikola> but ill try
[08:08] <Dr_willis> install build-essential as step
[08:09] <vieira> andreasw: yes
[08:09] <binks> how do i delete a folder with roots permissions
[08:09] <Dr_willis> they changed that factod heh heh.
[08:09] <andreasw> vieira: try the guest account
[08:09] <Dr_willis> sudo rm whatever
[08:09] <vieira> i'cant print from a windows machine
[08:09] <vieira> andreasw: can u explain how?
[08:09] <stdin> binks: if you are sure you need to delete it, and know what you are doing, use: "sudo rm -r /usr/local/games/epsxe" (or the path to the directory, this command will delete the directory and EVERYTHING in it, so be careful! )
[08:09] <andreasw> vieira: where is the printer connected to? Windows or Linux
[08:10] <vieira> andreasw: linux
[08:10] <Dr_willis> nikola,  let me guess you found kbfx.org ?
[08:10] <nikola> ofc
[08:10] <binks> thanks m8 i made a mistake and need to reinstall it all again
[08:10] <vieira> and can't print from windows box, but can print from other kubuntu box
[08:10] <andreasw> vieira: ah ok I thought that it is to Windows^^
[08:10] <vieira> :(
[08:10] <vieira> andreasw: i' trying to solve this for long time
[08:10] <nikola> its not working
[08:10] <nikola> wow.........
[08:11] <nikola> *sigh*
[08:11] <nikola> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24898
[08:11] <nikola> thats what i want to try
[08:11] <vieira> andreasw: i've trying https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[08:11] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxlots.com/~siraj/kde/plugin/home/     - seems to be a kbfx homepage
[08:11] <vieira> andreasw: but keep not working
[08:12] <Dr_willis> nikola,  statements like 'its not working' tell us very little..
[08:12] <andreasw> vieira: could you paste the log to paste.ubuntu-nl.org pls
[08:12] <nikola> u r right
[08:13] <vieira> andreasw: going to try
[08:13] <Dr_willis> nikola,  the kbfx.org site seems down.
[08:13] <nikola> ya
[08:14] <Dr_willis> nikola,  http://www.linuxlots.com/~siraj/kde/plugin/
[08:14] <Dr_willis> nikola,  http://www.linuxlots.com/~siraj/kde/plugin/home/
[08:14] <john1987> !wine
[08:14] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:14] <andreasw> vieira: And did you allow connections to cups from your network?
[08:14] <vieira> andreasw: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/767/
[08:14] <vieira> andreasw: i think so where can i check it?
[08:15] <andreasw> vieira: its in the cupsd.conf
[08:16] <vieira> andreasw: i've put allow to network ips
[08:17] <vieira> andreasw: should i set users that can use the printer?
[08:17] <Dr_willis> nikola,  not that i can get any of those source files to compile either...
[08:17] <nikola> well
[08:17] <nikola> i dloaded one
[08:18] <nikola> and it has a whole bunch of stuff in it
[08:19] <vieira> andreasw: in cups should i set the alloew users?
[08:19] <andreasw_> vieira: sorry had a con lost
[08:19] <nikola> ya
[08:19] <nikola> i have no idea how to make this work
[08:19] <nikola> lol
[08:19] <andreasw_> vieira: you normally just need to allow your network address range
[08:19] <vieira> andreasw_: ok
[08:20] <vieira> andreasw_: if i go to my windows box in cups and a send to print a test page it prints, but not from notepad for example
[08:20] <Dr_willis> nikola,  i DO know how to make source work.. and i cant get it to work..
[08:21] <nikola> well, there should be an ez way to do it :'(
[08:21] <Dr_willis> nikola,  i think we have a winner for one of the worst written/maintained programs of the year.
[08:21] <andreasw> vieira: thats strange
[08:21] <stdin> Dr_willis: how come you don't use the version in the repos?
[08:21] <Dr_willis> nikola,  use the defaults. :) the program ran from the repos.. the theme stuff dident work.
[08:21] <Dr_willis> stdin,  we were thinking that the new themes needed a newer version.
[08:22] <andreasw> vieira: so it only prints test pages but not from any other program?
[08:22] <nikola> ill use defaults.......... for a while
[08:22] <stdin> Dr_willis: aah, ok :)
[08:22] <nikola> i HATE how thick the bar is
[08:22] <Dr_willis> stdin,  and the one in the repos is so... badly done.. id hope a newer one fixed things.
[08:22] <vieira> andreasw: i've test now and says the log that the job has ok, but the printer don't print it
[08:22] <Dr_willis> nikola,  thick? i though it was very thin... but i guess it depends on what you are refering to
[08:22] <nikola> actually, all the GUI is big
[08:22] <vieira> andreasw: i send the print test page from the browser
[08:22] <nikola> well, the OS X bar is less than half as big
[08:22] <stdin> Dr_willis: feisty has version 0.4.9.2~rc4-1
[08:23] <vieira> andreasw: if a send the test page from properties of the print does'nt print
[08:23] <vieira> :(
[08:23] <nikola> ok
[08:23] <nikola> time to get some other things working
[08:23] <nikola> i need to get it so that after 15 minutes, the display goes to sleep
[08:23] <nikola> is there an option to do that?
[08:23] <nikola> 15 minutes of idle time
[08:23] <andreasw> vieira: can you paste me the cupsd.conf pls
[08:23] <vieira> andreasw: yaps
[08:24] <rysiek|pl> guys, I asked this on #ubuntu, but no answer yet...
[08:24] <rysiek|pl> anybody uses ndiswrapper on (k)ubuntu edgy? I am trying to set it up, modprobe ndiswrapper gives me: Invalid argument
[08:24] <vieira> andreasw: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/768/
[08:24] <pynsa> how is the name of the c++ package in ubuntu? g++ ?
[08:24] <rysiek|pl> pynsa: I think its gpp
[08:25] <andreasw> vieira: what ip has your windows computer?
[08:25] <rysiek|pl> pynsa: apt-cache search c++
[08:25] <pynsa> ok thx
[08:25] <Dr_willis> stdin,  i think fiesty may be better off removing the thing totally. :)
[08:25] <stdin> Dr_willis: I used kbfx once, hated it :p
[08:26] <Dr_willis> stdin,  yep.. belongs below the OS-X clones on my list...
[08:26] <stdin> ouch :p
[08:27] <stdin> pynsa: install the package build-essential , it install gcc, g++, make, and others
[08:27] <pynsa> ok thx stdin
[08:28] <vieira> andreasw: i've changed it now for 192.168.1.*
[08:28] <andreasw> vieira: hehe
[08:28] <andreasw> vieira: I think that was the problem
[08:28] <vieira> andreasw: :P
[08:28] <bobleny> Hey kool, the xconfig thing worked
[08:28] <vieira> andreasw: going to try
[08:28] <bobleny> Thanks! :)
[08:29] <stdin> :)
[08:30] <bobleny> How do I change the time to 12 hour time?
[08:30] <vieira> andreasw: :( nops
[08:31] <vieira> andreasw: the says ok but no printing
[08:31] <andreasw> vieira: have you restarted cupsd?
[08:31] <vieira> yaps
[08:32] <stdin> bobleny: right click on the clock, choose "Date & Time Format...", do to the "Time & Date" tab, and choose "pH:MM:SS AMPM" from the drop down list under "Time format"
[08:33] <andreasw> vieira: You also added the lines to /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf ?
[08:33] <stdin> rysiek|pl: have you looked at the wifi documents ?
[08:33] <vieira> andreasw: hummm, ops
[08:34] <vieira> andreasw: i don't have that file
[08:35] <vieira> andreasw: a don't have that dir also
[08:35] <vieira> andreasw: the cups.d
[08:35] <andreasw> vieira: hmm ok than add Listen 127.0.0.1:631 under port 631
[08:35] <andreasw> vieira: maybe that will work
[08:35] <linuxnewuserr> can someone plz tell me how to install dabber and how to make my monitor resolution 1400x1050? i am on kde
[08:35] <linuxnewuserr> new to linux
[08:36] <stdin> !xconfig
[08:36] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[08:36] <rysiek|pl> stdin: yeah, got it, done it, ndiswrapper loads, but it does not recognize my card
[08:36] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: try that command for resolution
[08:36] <vieira> andreasw: i've the
[08:36] <vieira> # Allow remote access
[08:36] <vieira> Port 631
[08:37] <linuxnewuserr> didn't work
[08:37] <linuxnewuserr> says its not installed
[08:37] <vieira> andreasw: nops not printing
[08:38] <andreasw> vieira: than I am sorry but I cant help you
[08:38] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: use the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"
[08:39] <vieira> andreasw: :( ok thks
[08:39] <linuxnewuserr> i did
[08:40] <linuxnewuserr> it said not installed
[08:40] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: where did you enter the command?
[08:40] <linuxnewuserr> terminal
[08:41] <vieira> any printing expert!?
[08:41] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: and what happened when you entered it?
[08:41] <linuxnewuserr> can someone plz tell me how to install dabber and how to make my monitor resolution 1400x1050
[08:41] <linuxnewuserr> Package `xserver-xorg-phigh' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:41] <linuxnewuserr> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[08:41] <linuxnewuserr> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[08:41] <linuxnewuserr> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg-phigh is not installed
[08:41] <linuxnewuserr> dskav@dskav-desktop:~$
[08:42] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: put a space between xserver-xorg and -phigh
[08:42] <linuxnewuserr> k
[08:42] <nikola> what do you guys recommend i use on my G3?
[08:42] <nikola> what Linux?
[08:42] <nikola> for optimal speed :P
[08:42] <nikola> iz only a little 400 mhz machine
[08:42] <Dr_willis> I got an iMAC DV.
[08:42] <Dr_willis> in the closset. :)
[08:42] <linuxnewuserr> stdin:  ok it worked now what?
[08:43] <Dr_willis> nikola,  you got os9 or 10 on it now?
[08:43] <nikola> 10
[08:43] <Dr_willis> nikola,  stick with 10 on it.. and use it as a ssh/terminal machine. :)
[08:43] <nikola> haha
[08:43] <nikola> it worx amazingly well
[08:43] <Dr_willis> nikola,  its one with a built in monitor?
[08:43] <nikola> strangly
[08:43] <nikola> ya
[08:43] <nikola> so is this computer actually :P imac g5, lol
[08:44] <linuxnewuserr> i use terminal on my mac
[08:44] <Dr_willis> My imac DV has 128mb ram - it works ok  :) but the montitor is the biggest sucking point.
[08:44] <linuxnewuserr> with irssi
[08:44] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: you can chance what resolutions are used in there, use the arrow keys, the tab key and enter to navigate
[08:44] <linuxnewuserr> ok
[08:44] <stdin> choose
[08:44] <Dr_willis> lat linux i tried on the imacs, the monitor was off position by like an inch.. to the left.. i never was able to get it centered right.
[08:44] <linuxnewuserr> tga? trident?
[08:44] <linuxnewuserr> which one
[08:45] <linuxnewuserr> vesa/
[08:45] <linuxnewuserr> ?
[08:45] <vieira> stdin: can u help with my printing problem!?
[08:45] <Dr_willis> Mine has an ati card I think.  not messed with it in ages.
[08:45] <Dr_willis> i tried to play some videos with it over vlc/streaming - and it couldent even handle that. Heh
[08:45] <linuxnewuserr> i picked vessa
[08:45] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: just leave it as it was, then move to the next screen with enter
[08:46] <linuxnewuserr> ok
[08:46] <stdin> vieira: I don't know enough about cups to help there, sorry
[08:46] <stdin> vieira: have you asked in #ubuntu or ##linux ?
[08:46] <Dr_willis> Just getting the #&&@ thing to boot the cd was a pain.
[08:46] <vieira> stdin: nop, going to do that
[08:47] <stdin> vieira: you may have better luck in one of those channels
[08:47] <vieira> stdin: thns for the tip
[08:47] <stdin> np :)
[08:57] <beels15> i would like in a german chat please help me
[08:57] <stdin> !de
[08:57] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:59] <mildner> hello anybody familiar with dvb-t
[09:01] <stdin> mildner: no, maybe #dvb is a good place to ask tho
[09:02] <mildner> thanks
[09:02] <stdin> :)
[09:02] <wedgeV> mildner: i have dvb-t working
[09:03] <frojnd> !xgl
[09:03] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:06] <intelikey> oh   the slience of the masses
[09:07] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  could be worse.....
[09:07] <Dr_willis> Quote from ##inux  just now....
 how do i delete ubuntu from windows? I tried add/remove it wasn't on the list?
[09:08] <Dr_willis> Where do you even begin.......
[09:08] <intelikey> lol
[09:08] <stdin> haha :p
[09:08] <Dr_willis> we sent him to #ubuntu
[09:08] <intelikey> lol  some more.
[09:08] <intelikey> or to ##windows
[09:09] <Dr_willis> i figured that would make your day
[09:10] <intelikey> indeed
[09:10] <intelikey> one has to be careful though  the fool is the twin of the wise.
[09:10] <intelikey> on occasion you find his brother... :)
[09:10] <frojnd> I've installed nvidia drivers.. so this works nice, what do I have to install for XGL running?
[09:11] <intelikey> !xgl
[09:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:11] <andreasw> When will k3b support mastering of video DVDs?
[09:11] <Dr_willis> andreasw,  i think the newest versions of k3b have some of that allready
[09:11] <stdin> frojnd: XGL howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[09:12] <andreasw> Dr_willis: ok thank you
[09:12] <Dr_willis> but the 'linux' way is more of keeping seperate tasks seperate. Id perfer a program that makes  the making of dvd video  dirs easy.. then i just run k3b and point it to that dir. :)
[09:12] <intelikey> andreasw See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:12] <Dr_willis> Nero for examplke is getting a bit too "all in one" and i cant even figure it out half the time.
[09:13] <intelikey> examplke ?
[09:13] <intelikey> example-key  ?
[09:13] <wedgeV> nero 7 is really a pita
[09:13] <Tm_T> intelikey: Oo you're smart!
[09:14] <intelikey> Tm_T am i
[09:14] <andreasw> intelikey: Nvidia XGL/Compiz Howto?
[09:14] <Tm_T> intelikey: Yes you are!
[09:14] <Dr_willis> go use it to make some dvd's out of avi files.. :)   it took me way too long to figure out which part of nero  had to use first...   even now - id have to spend 10+ min rembering how i did it...
[09:14] <Dr_willis> this was nero7 also. :)
[09:15] <KaiHanari> is there a /dev device node for all data going to and from the HD like /dev/mem is for the memory?
[09:15] <andreasw> Dr_willis: well I want to select an avi movie in k3b and create from that a dvd and burn it, that would be awesome
[09:15] <Dr_willis> It did an ok job.. but all i was doing was taking a single .avi and making a dvd
[09:15] <Tm_T> andreasw: /msg ubotu xgl
[09:15] <Dr_willis> andreasw,  i think thats being worked on.
[09:15] <Tm_T> I think.
[09:16] <andreasw> Tm_T: Well I don't want to know anything about xgl ^^ someone gave me the link for the howto
[09:16] <intelikey> KaiHanari device /dev/hd? would be the whole disk    where ?=[a-z] 
[09:16] <Dr_willis> but really k3b would just be a front end to all these other tools.. and getting all those set right - can be the harder task. :)
[09:16] <stdin> andreasw: XGL howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl compix howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz
[09:16] <stdin> andreasw: tho beryl may be easier to install
[09:17] <intelikey> KaiHanari but i don't think you can monitor that for disk activities    if that's what you had in mind.     what are you tring to do ?
[09:17] <andreasw> stdin: nice, but why do you tell me this? ^^
[09:17] <andreasw> stdin: intelikey sent me a link to a xgl tutorial but I haven't asked anything about xgl ^^
[09:18] <stdin> ahh well, I should read more before I type :p
[09:18] <intelikey> andreasw ooooops   forward it to  frojnd  :)
[09:18] <andreasw> intelikey: ok ^^
[09:18] <frojnd> forward to me yeah :)
[09:19] <intelikey> some times text scrolls just at the exact moment to decieve me as to which author a post belongs to....    my bad.
[09:19] <KaiHanari> intelikey, alternative noise maker. sound bites
[09:19] <stdin> andreasw: I just saw this :[20:14]  <andreasw> intelikey: Nvidia XGL/Compiz Howto? so I posted the links :p
[09:19] <KaiHanari> need streams of data to turn into sound
[09:19] <andreasw> stdin: ah ok that was just my reaction to him ^^
[09:20] <stdin> heh, I get it now andreasw :)
[09:20] <KaiHanari> proving to not be easy, most comes out to be static, /dev/hda give static then chirps that dont change wether data is moving or not
[09:20] <intelikey> KaiHanari well cat /dev/hda   should do that...... but wouldn't  cat /dev/urandom  work ?
[09:20] <andreasw> The thing is that I now have an online video recorder which records to divx and I want to burn a few movies to dvd
[09:20] <andreasw> now I have to run ffmpeg to transcode
[09:20] <andreasw> than master it with dvdauthor
[09:20] <andreasw> and burn it with k3b
[09:21] <markelhas> any cups expert?
[09:22] <intelikey> poll ^   !i
[09:23] <andreasw> I have also realized that I am not ^^
[09:24] <intelikey> that's three.
[09:24] <fdoving> markelhas: what's the problem? i'm no cups expert either, but you often don't need to be to answer questions. :)
[09:25] <intelikey> but that will ruin the poll
[09:26] <fdoving> intelikey: ah.. true, sorry 'bout that :)
[09:26] <intelikey> :)
[09:27] <KaiHanari> intelikey, trying to find something more than static
[09:28] <intelikey> well what about a tone generator ?
[09:28] <scherfa> Hello, since yesterday my soundcard didn't work anymore. Everybody else with that problem ?
[09:28] <markelhas> fdoving: i want to print from a windows box to kubuntu box
[09:29] <markelhas> fdoving: and i can print local and from other kubuntu box
[09:29] <markelhas> fdoving: when i try to print from windows the access log from cups says ok but no printing
[09:30] <markelhas> fdoving: and i can load the cups in the windows box browser
[09:32] <Dr_willis> markelhas,  try making a windows user with the same name/password as the linux user?
[09:33] <markelhas> hummm
[09:33] <SixOfThem> .bye
[09:33] <jager> who can recommend a goood company to get a virtual private server from?
[09:33] <markelhas> Dr_willis: and i can ony print from that user?
[09:33] <markelhas> Dr_willis: firts things firts going to create the user :P
[09:34] <Dr_willis> markelhas,  try it and see...
[09:34] <intelikey> is samba needed for cups ?
[09:34] <Dr_willis> ive moved all my printers to their own printserver
[09:34] <jager> no intelikey
[09:34] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  not sure... but it may be needed in this case
[09:34] <intelikey> i mean for windows printing on a *nix box of course.
[09:34] <jager> ahhh
[09:34] <Dr_willis> i recall seeing some cups settings in the samba configs
[09:35] <markelhas> i think no samba need for cups
[09:36] <intelikey> jager i knew it's not needed for cups with any qualification, and assumed that because of the current discussion that the qualifiers were implied
[09:36] <intelikey> s/with/with out/
[09:36] <markelhas> Dr_willis: i've create the user, and now just test to print?
[09:36] <jager> sorry intelikey i wasn't paying attention
[09:36] <jager> ignore me
[09:36] <Dr_willis> markelhas,  unless you can think of somthing else to do... :)
[09:36] <markelhas> Dr_willis: :P
[09:36] <Dr_willis> markelhas,  you can also enable verbose logging in the cups configs
[09:37] <markelhas> Dr_willis: didn't work
[09:37] <markelhas> :(
[09:37] <intelikey> markelhas   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:37] <Dr_willis> enable verbose logging.. and see what its saying
[09:37] <Dr_willis> check the cups logs.
[09:37] <frojnd> why can't I add custom animation in presentation... I made background image whrough wizard and now I wanna do custom animation and I can't
[09:38] <markelhas> intelikey: i've check that
[09:38] <markelhas> Dr_willis: how can i set verbose?
[09:38] <Dr_willis> edit the cups config file
[09:38] <Dr_willis> cups.org - lots of docs..
[09:39] <Dr_willis> cat /var/log/cups/access_log
[09:39] <Dr_willis> cat /var/log/cups/error_log
[09:40] <abstruck> is there anyone using qt4-designer? i'm getting an error and i'd like to see if it's my fault or not...
[09:40] <intelikey> markelhas just out of maticulosity the proiner is not paused is it.  you can pring form localhost ?
[09:41] <markelhas> intelikey: yes and from other kubuntu box
[09:41] <intelikey> k
[09:42] <markelhas> intelikey: how can i set cpus to verbose?
[09:43] <intelikey> markelhas in /etc/cups/cups.conf  im sure.      but the last line of that howto   "You should use the appropriate Windows printer driver for your printer. "  <<< that's not the problem is it ?
[09:43] <scherfa> abstruck: what error ?
[09:44] <intelikey> if cups is working from other linux connections then it's likely that it's the win box itself giving the fit.
[09:45] <vlad_ri> hello, everybody!
[09:45] <markelhas> intelikey: hummm going to double check
[09:45] <intelikey> markelhas note any change to cups.conf will require a restart of cups.   sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[09:45] <abstruck> scherfa: i've created a new project, the one with a qdialog and 2 buttons... then i launched pyuic4 to generate python code and got an error.
[09:46] <markelhas> intelikey: yes i now
[09:46] <abstruck> scherfa: a TypeError... could you try the same procedure?
[09:46] <abstruck> it should takes you about 2 minutes...
[09:47] <intelikey> markelhas also of note is the fact that each ip you want cups to accept printing from needs to be in  "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf "      oh and i missed the "d" in that eariler ^
[09:47] <scherfa> abstruck: just a moment i will have a look on my installed packages ..
[09:47] <markelhas> intelikey: iive put 192.168.1.* is that ok?
[09:48] <abstruck> scherfa: ok, thank you... i guess it's a package problem... or something like that
[09:48] <intelikey> markelhas should be.  i think wildcards are accepted in cupsd.conf
[09:48] <intelikey> yes.
[09:49] <cloakable> Hi, is the nvidia driver enabled in edgy by default?
[09:49] <intelikey> !nvidia | cloakable
[09:49] <ubotu> cloakable: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:49] <stdin> cloakable: not the proprietary one
[09:49] <markelhas> intelikey: in tut the last section can't load the link
[09:50] <markelhas> intelikey: but i've chooose the hp office jet driver
[09:50] <markelhas> intelikey: i've a office jet 5510
[09:50] <intelikey> this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryDocumentation ?
[09:50] <markelhas> intelikey: yes
[09:51] <scherfa> abstruck: Sorry i did not have the python thing on my installation .. sorry for that.
[09:51] <intelikey> yes that link is dead.   that's another ubuntu problem.
[09:51] <abstruck> scherfa: no problem... thank you
[09:52] <intelikey> hmmmm hp oj-55xx   looking.
[09:52] <scherfa> abstruck: sorry only c++ bindings.
[09:53] <markelhas> intelikey: i'm tryingo to set this for weeks :(
[09:53] <cloakable> My kernel keeps panicking. Can anyone help?
[09:54] <markelhas> intelikey: just for remark if i ask for a test page from windows browser in cups config works just fine
[09:54] <Valmarko> hello. Everytime some program is being installed, some 'exim' shows up asking me some details about receiving or not email and which protocol... What is exim ?
[09:54] <adrian_> join #iasi
[09:58] <vlad_ri> i've installed nvidia drivers for my video card, it works good. but there is a problem, each time i restart the machine or make a log off / log on, the refrash rate is changing to 60 Hz and i have to adjust it. how can i solve that? the worst thing, i put a modline in the Monitor section which reads: ""1280X1024@85" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync" and there is a Option line in Screen section: "metamodes"
[09:58] <vlad_ri> "1280x1024@85 +0+0; 1280x1024 +0+0". Nothing else in the whole xorg.conf related to refrash ratio... where could be the problem?
[09:58] <ScarFreewill> whats that command line app that can use insted of adept?
[09:59] <cloakable> My kernel keeps panicking :(
[09:59] <vlad_ri> apt-get
[09:59] <ScarFreewill> the app apt is more of a command if you know what i mean..,
[10:00] <spitwise> sudo apt-get install
[10:00] <intelikey> markelhas maybe have a look @ http://tinyurl.com/ycaf86    got to run.  ga'luck with it.
[10:00] <ScarFreewill> i think it was called some thing like apetite
[10:00] <fdoving> ScarFreewill: aptitude
[10:00] <ScarFreewill> ok thx
[10:00] <stdin> ScarFreewill: dselect
[10:00] <ScarFreewill> aptitude the one
[10:00] <intelikey> markelhas and pester fdoving to help you.... he's pretty handy with things like this.
[10:01] <stdin> cloakable: we can't help until you give more info on the kernel panic
[10:01] <cntb> please join kubuntu torrent download http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[10:02] <vlad_ri> sorry, guys, can somebody help me with my refresh ratio problem?
[10:03] <fdoving> Valmarko:  exim is a mail transport agent. like a mail server. you can read more about it at http://exim.org
[10:03] <stdin> vlad_ri: don't know, try asking in #ubuntu
[10:04] <vlad_ri> stdin: thx, will try
[10:05] <Valmarko> fdoving, tanks. I dont know how and why but its installer comes between de begining and the of another instalation
[10:06] <Valmarko> But... if it's not malicious... that's ok :)
[10:08] <tumas11> hi, im running 64 bit kubuntu, I thought I has 6.10 but repos say 6.06, can i just upgrade by changing to "edgy"?
[10:08] <stdin> !upgrade | tumas11
[10:08] <ubotu> tumas11: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:08] <Valmarko> Anyway, let me test my mail client...
[10:08] <fdoving> Valmarko: the ubuntu system tries to always have a mail-transport-agent installed, it's there to send you mails about important system changes and so on.. if you want a simpler relay-only mailer nullmailer is there.
[10:09] <tumas11> stdin: thanks, amd64 version had 6.10 also right?
[10:10] <stdin> tumas11: yes
[10:10] <tumas11> i installed to lts version then by mistake
[10:10] <tumas11> worked so well did not even notice
[10:10] <tumas11> i mean 6.06 thanks
[10:11] <stdin> np :)
[10:11] <boggystudios>  I am compiling 2.6.18 kernel with rt-7 patch and the I get this message
[10:11] <boggystudios> 
[10:12] <boggystudios> nvidia.ko failed to build!
[10:12] <boggystudios> make[3] : *** [mdl]  Error 1
[10:12] <boggystudios> make[3] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv'
[10:12] <boggystudios> make[2] : *** [build-stamp]  Error 2
[10:12] <boggystudios> make[2] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel'
[10:12] <boggystudios> make[1] : *** [kdist_image]  Error 2
[10:12] <boggystudios> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel'
[10:12] <boggystudios> Module /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel failed.
[10:12] <boggystudios> Hit return to Continue
[10:12] <boggystudios> 
[10:12] <BTR> Hi, how come i cant write capital "t"?
[10:12] <boggystudios> do I need the nvidia module if I want to use the 3d drivers?
[10:12] <boggystudios> I was just wondering because I planned on using the Nvidia 3d drivers instead of the open source ones
[10:13] <Valmarko> fdoving, i'm very pleased that ubuntu system sends me letters of important changes. But, since I didnt know what was the purpose of that program, I'm affraid that I select the wrong option. At the moment of its installation there were several options.  Is it going to penalize me? Would I be able to receive the letters from ubuntu?
[10:13] <Valmarko> Will I be able?
[10:14] <stdin> boggystudios: I think you need the nvidia-kernel-source package to build the nvidia kernel module
[10:15] <fdoving> Valmarko: i belive that won't be a problem.
[10:15] <Valmarko> tanks, fdoving. Sorry for my stupid questions. I'm a newbie :)
[10:16] <stdin> boggystudios: if you don't want it, you need to make sure that you compile the 3d nvidia module before you boot the new kernel, or install it from command line
[10:16] <boggystudios> stdin: i already dl'ed that one and un-tar in the /usr/src directory
[10:17] <boggystudios> stdin: the nvidia-kernel-source package that is
[10:18] <boggystudios> stdin: i thought that the 3d nvidia module was bin only
[10:19] <stdin> boggystudios: you still need to compile it to load in to the kernel
[10:20] <mildner> any help with kaffeine?
[10:20] <stdin> boggystudios: I think you need to untar the nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz file in the source tree
[10:20] <stdin> mildner: what's the problem ?
[10:21] <boggystudios> stdin: you mean in /usr/src/linux instead of /urs/src ?
[10:21] <mildner> I get the message when I start: Binding zum Info-Socket not possibkle to connect
[10:21] <mildner> hergestellt werden ...in german
[10:21] <stdin> boggystudios: yes, if that's where the source of the kernel you're compiling is
[10:22] <vlad_ri> how can i configure my system to turn on NumLock every time i log on?
[10:22] <stdin> !de | mildner
[10:22] <ubotu> mildner: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:23] <FFForever> how come i can hear sound in amarok playing music, but when i play a wmv it plays without sound....
[10:23] <stdin> vlad_ri: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse, under NumLock ok KDE Startup
[10:24] <stdin> FFForever: do you have w32coneds installed ?
[10:24] <FFForever> yelp
[10:24] <BTR> Hi, how come i cant write capital "t"?
[10:24] <vlad_ri> stdin: thx a lot :)
[10:24] <stdin> vlad_ri: np :)
[10:24] <stdin> FFForever: do they paly in any other player ?
[10:25] <FFForever> they play, but no sound :/
[10:26] <stdin> FFForever: hmm, have you tried with vlc or mplayer ?
[10:26] <FFForever> i didn't think about vlc one sec lemme try
[10:27] <Valmarko> Well, now that I have exim4 installed the question is : can I uninstall it safely?
[10:27] <FFForever> brb
[10:27] <FFForever> lemme try it on my dads computer :)
[10:28] <linuxnewuserr> can anyone tell me how to install ati drivers? PM me if you ahve to , these tutorial sites don't help newbs like me
[10:28] <linuxnewuserr> I have a x1950
[10:28] <linuxnewuserr> files are saved on desktop
[10:28] <linuxnewuserr> just installed linux today
[10:28] <linuxnewuserr> dumped windows
[10:29] <Toko> Ati drivers
[10:29] <linuxnewuserr> yea
[10:29] <Toko> you'll want reps
[10:29] <linuxnewuserr> reps?
[10:29] <Toko> download them through that
[10:29] <linuxnewuserr> where do i find reps?
[10:29] <Toko> If you look at an xgl tut or something
[10:29] <Toko> it'll tell how to get the latest ati driver
[10:30] <markelhas> any one expert in cups?
[10:30] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: look at this part https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-02330ccb580b6a9411d32bf617cc5a82116ba6b9
[10:32] <linuxnewuserr> ok
[10:32] <linuxnewuserr> i don't know what an xgl tut is
[10:32] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: xgl tutorial (tut = tutorial)
[10:32] <linuxnewuserr> what is xgl
[10:32] <stdin> !xgl
[10:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:33] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: enables 3D effects
[10:33] <linuxnewuserr> k
[10:34] <markelhas> i need to print from a windows machine to a kubuntu box any help
[10:34] <markelhas> i can print from other kubuntu machines
[10:35] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: you need to type all the commands in konsole (Kmenu -> System -> Konsole), and replace "sudo gedit" with "kdesu kate" in the help page
[10:35] <linuxnewuserr> k
[10:36] <mildner> anybody with help for kaffeine?
[10:36] <linuxnewuserr> anyone have a site that tells you what all the commands mean
[10:36] <linuxnewuserr> ?
[10:36] <stdin> mildner: what's the problem ?
[10:37] <markelhas> no cups exeprt arround?
[10:37] <markelhas> or printing over network?
[10:37] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: apt-get install packages, sudo runs commands as root (Super User)
[10:37] <mildner> stdin: I get the message the Info-Socket connection is not possible
[10:38] <mildner> at the start of kaffeine
[10:38] <mildner> on Kubuntu.de  there is nobody
[10:38] <stdin> mildner: how are you opening kaffine?
[10:39] <westcoaster> what's uphomies
[10:39] <stdin> the sky?
[10:39] <boggystudios> stdin: I tried to untar the nvidia-kernel-source into /usr/src/linux but I get the same error
[10:40] <dwidmann> up is one of the 67 important keys on my keyboard :)
[10:40] <mildner> stdin: from the menue
[10:40] <westcoaster> i c lotta people use kubuntu
[10:40] <stdin> boggystudios: try reading /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian.gz
[10:41] <westcoaster> let the power of kubuntu be with u
[10:41] <boggystudios> stdin: thanks
[10:41] <stdin> mildner: I don't know what that error is, try using noatun
[10:42] <mildner> ok thanks
[10:42] <raz0r> Hey evry1...im new at Kubuntu...is it any good games to kubuntu ??
[10:42] <stdin> !games
[10:42] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[10:42] <raz0r> ty ;D
[10:42] <stdin> look there
[10:43] <stdin> I also recommend frozen-bubble :)
[10:43] <linuxnewuserr> it didn't work
[10:43] <linuxnewuserr> for some reason
[10:43] <dwidmann> good games for Kubuntu, hmm, if you like simple ones take a look at the kdegames package, which has board/card/arcade sort of games. 3d ones, how about Unreal Tournament or Quake4 or something
[10:43] <linuxnewuserr> I did all the commands and Mesashowed u
[10:43] <linuxnewuserr> p
[10:43] <raz0r> does wow work for Linux ?
[10:43] <dwidmann> oh, and I can't forget to mention crack-attack
[10:43] <raz0r> or is it just mac ^^
[10:43] <dwidmann> raz0r, I've never used it, but I hear it works
[10:43] <Tm_T> raz0r: With Wine you can. (tm)
[10:44] <Tm_T> IIRC
[10:44] <andreasw> stop playing wow and you will save a lot of time ^^
[10:44] <Tm_T> True.
[10:44] <raz0r> ok MD
[10:44] <raz0r> ;D*
[10:44] <Tm_T> And innocent lifes too.
[10:45] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: what part didn't work ?
[10:45] <raz0r> i will NOT stop WoW ;D
[10:45] <Tm_T> raz0r: Yes you will.
[10:45] <BluesKaj> stop playing games and you'll save time :)
[10:45] <andreasw> I played wow for almost two years and I now realize how much time I wasted ;)
[10:45] <linuxnewuserr> when i put in fglrx it didn't say ati
[10:45] <linuxnewuserr> it said mesa
[10:45] <Tm_T> I haven't even seen it.
[10:46] <raz0r> its cool with all the effects to Kubuntu :D
[10:46] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: what part of the help page is that on?
[10:47] <raz0r> hmm..do i have to "make" all games ?
[10:47] <raz0r> cuz there is no "playable" file :/
[10:47] <stdin> raz0r: this isn't slackware :p
[10:47] <linuxnewuserr> ubuntu 6.10
[10:47] <linuxnewuserr> that part
[10:47] <raz0r> slackware ??
[10:48] <stdin>  slackware is a distribution that you compile most things on
[10:48] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: what part of the help page are you up to, what command?
[10:48] <raz0r> hmm... ?!???!?!?!?!??! ;D
[10:49] <stdin> just read the web page for games, ok :p
[10:50] <raz0r> recommended games ?
[10:50] <stdin> I play Frozen Bubble a lot
[10:50] <Lynoure> raz0r: I liked Tale in the Desert
[10:50] <markelhas> does anyone knows how to set cups in verbose mode?
[10:51] <raz0r> i have Steomania...its tha best game ever...but im getting a little bit tired of the same thing all the time ;D
[10:51] <raz0r> Stepmania*
[10:51] <raz0r> ;P
[10:51] <Lynoure> raz0r: try options: holds: planted. or holds: twister :)
[10:51] <raz0r> ;D
[10:51] <raz0r> its difficult ;P
[10:52] <nikola> hi
[10:52] <Lynoure> raz0r: or sitting text to the pad and using your palms instead of feet
[10:52] <raz0r> but should i DL UT 2004 ??
[10:52] <nikola> I need to get this to work with my Airport
[10:52] <nikola> any ideas?
[10:52] <Lynoure> s/text/next
[10:52] <raz0r> yay...wolfenstein enemy territory ^^
[10:53] <raz0r> thats a really good game ;D
[10:53] <raz0r> noo
[10:53] <Lynoure> nikola: did you try the steps I pointed you to yesterday? What happened?
[10:53] <raz0r> server not found
[10:54] <raz0r> any good FPS games ?
[10:54] <linuxnewuserr> the drivers installed somewhere
[10:54] <linuxnewuserr> but it just won't be the default
[10:55] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: so you have done the "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx" part ?
[10:55] <linuxnewuserr> yea
[10:55] <linuxnewuserr> and i checked the xorg.conf
[10:55] <raz0r> i have the problem that my nvidia X drivers bugs themselves up and i must re-istall them everytime i have to restart my comp :S
[10:56] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: have you done the "sudo aticonfig --initial" and "sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv" parts?
[10:57] <linuxnewuserr> yea
[10:57] <linuxnewuserr> they worked fine
[10:57] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: have you added the " Section "Extensions" " part to xorg.conf ?
[10:58] <linuxnewuserr> yea
[10:59] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: did you make a backup of xorg.conf before you did it?
[10:59] <linuxnewuserr> yeah
[11:00] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: and do you know the command to restore it, if X won't start?
[11:00] <simen> how do i get floating icons on my kubuntu desktop ?!
[11:00] <linuxnewuserr> no
[11:00] <linuxnewuserr> this is such a pain to install drivers, but it must be the linux way
[11:01] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: where did you save the backup to?
[11:01] <flaccid> there kind of is no standard way with linux
[11:01] <linuxnewuserr> I dunno
[11:01] <linuxnewuserr> don't worry about it
[11:01] <simen> is there a kubuntu genious here  ? :P
[11:01] <linuxnewuserr> i'll jusst deal with it
[11:01] <simen> who could help me gettin floating icons on my desktop ?
[11:01] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: alright, just restart X to continue then
[11:01] <linuxnewuserr> how do I restart it
[11:02] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: logout, and press Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace
[11:02] <stdin> (together, like ctrl-alt-del)
[11:02] <flaccid> would be better to select the restart option in kdm
[11:02] <stdin> flaccid: same thing really
[11:03] <flaccid> its not
[11:03] <raz0r> any1 know if there is a UT 2004 to linux at www.piratebay.org
[11:03] <stdin> kdm will restart after, so what's the diff ?
[11:03] <flaccid> different signals given
[11:04] <stdin> raz0r: this is a kubuntu support channel, for off topic discussion, join #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:04] <simen> anyone have msn messenger hjer ?
[11:04] <simen> here ?
[11:04] <stdin> flaccid: yes, but it dose the same job :p
[11:04] <flaccid> no it doesn't do the same job, and its bad habit :)
[11:04] <stdin> simen: you can use kopete to connect to msn
[11:04] <andy__> am how do u connect to bnc on this irc?
[11:05] <simen> yeah i know !:p but i want to talk to someone here on msn
[11:05] <flaccid> also logging out of kde instead of ctrl alt delete is dramatically different. bye bye configs!
[11:05] <stdin> flaccid: it says to use ctrl-alt-backspace in the help.ubuntu.com pages
[11:05] <andy__> ./server bnc....port?
[11:05] <flaccid> stdin: how does that make it right ? :)
[11:05] <flaccid> misinformation is very common in the open community :)
[11:06] <stdin> flaccid: didn't say it does, just saying that's what the ubuntu doc team are telling users to do, so take it up with them
[11:06] <raz0r> HEY EVERYONE, CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE...thank you...i was wondering how you can check how much free space it is on the linux harddrive ?? :D
[11:06] <stdin> !caps
[11:06] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[11:06] <flaccid> stdin: i'd be wasting my time if i did
[11:06] <stdin> :p
[11:06] <flaccid> raz0r: gui or cli ?
[11:06] <andy__> hm....
[11:06] <linuxnewuserr> I dunno what happened
[11:06] <linuxnewuserr> I tried to login and it said there was an error
[11:06] <raz0r> gui cli ??
[11:06] <linuxnewuserr> so I hit restart and it says system is restarting please wait
[11:06] <raz0r> dunno ;P
[11:06] <linuxnewuserr> and thats all it ays
[11:07] <flaccid> raz0r: would you like a shell command or be pointed to a kde application?
[11:07] <linuxnewuserr> I guess i messed up my linux
[11:07] <linuxnewuserr> ?
[11:07] <andy__> am so? could u tell me bnc which worked on win xp wount work on linux?
[11:07] <stdin> raz0r: open Konqueror and put the address in as media:// then just hover your mouse over the linux partition
[11:07] <raz0r> oh ;D
[11:07] <raz0r> ty
[11:08] <simen> oslo : are you norwegian ?
[11:08] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: so how are you logged in now, did you fix it?
[11:08] <raz0r> no adress ?
[11:08] <flaccid> raz0r: i can't remember the gui. the command is df -h
[11:08] <linuxnewuserr> it didn't restart yet
[11:08] <andy__> :(
[11:08] <linuxnewuserr> I didn't want to mess with it
[11:08] <stdin> raz0r: sorry, it's media:/
[11:08] <raz0r> oh ;D
[11:09] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: but you are logged in now?
[11:09] <raz0r> then it comes to /home/raz0r
[11:09] <linuxnewuserr> no
[11:09] <flaccid> i reckon it should show sizes in system settings | disk and filesystems
[11:09] <linuxnewuserr> is there a linux distro out there that will detect my hardware and install the drivers automatically? or make it easier for ati install?
[11:09] <linuxnewuserr> that was really  crazy for a new linux user
[11:09] <linuxnewuserr> disaster i think
[11:09] <flaccid> linuxnewuserr: most distros will
[11:10] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: I don't know of one off hand, try searching google
[11:10] <linuxnewuserr> i was told dreamlinux is one to look into
[11:10] <raz0r> i think its the dev/hda2 ;D
[11:10] <flaccid> kubuntu is good too linuxnewuserr
[11:11] <simen> simen_99@hotmail.com really need help no one reads anything i write here so add me if u can help me please
[11:11] <simen> simen_99@hotmail.com really need help no one reads anything i write here so add me if u can help me please
[11:11] <raz0r> zomg :S...im using 86% of my Harddrive :S
[11:11] <flaccid> simen: nobody will help you on msn
[11:11] <raz0r> but on Kopete ^^
[11:11] <raz0r> ;D
[11:11] <simen> ^^
[11:11] <simen> but no one will help me here either soo
[11:11] <oslo> simen> are u from siemens ? ^^
[11:11] <BluesKaj> simen, why not here ?
[11:11] <simen> oslo: er du norsk ? ^^
[11:12] <oslo> simen> ya
[11:12] <simen> :P
[11:12] <simen> msn ?
[11:13] <oslo> simen> i think its because your behind a NAT
[11:13] <oslo> or your ipfilter policies
[11:14] <linuxnewuserr> Anyone; is there a user friendly distro that makes installations of realplayer, and etc easy and without cli
[11:14] <Wulong> You can't choose distro over reallpayer, that's stupid.
[11:15] <flaccid> simen: ask your question
[11:15] <flaccid> linuxnewuserr: doesn't exist as real is not free
[11:15] <BluesKaj> i think you can try automatix , linuxnewuserr...but automatix can cause problems
[11:16] <linuxnewuserr> yeah
[11:16] <linuxnewuserr> i was told not automatix
[11:16] <flaccid> you could learn something
[11:17] <sarah> I need help with my monitor. I'm on a Dell Inspiron B130 on Kubuntu Edgy. I know I need the 915resolution package, but how do I use it?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> linuxnewuserr, if yer gonna run linux , you'd better learn some terminal cli commands otherwise forget it
[11:18] <flaccid> what is the 915resolution package?
[11:18] <flaccid> BluesKaj: agreed
[11:18] <linuxnewuserr> I don't mind learning some cli
[11:18] <linuxnewuserr> i don't want to have to use it for a lot of stuff
[11:19] <sarah> 915resolution is a program that will override the video bios to allow me to select higher resolutions on Intel Boards...specifically the 800-915 chipsets
[11:19] <flaccid> whos is it distributed by?
[11:20] <sarah> flaccid, I don't know, it's available to me through synaptic
[11:20] <stdin> sarah: use "sudo 915resolution -l" to get a list of the resolutions available, and edit the /etc/default/915resolution file to use the one you want
[11:20] <flaccid> what is the problem with it sarah?
[11:20] <linuxnewuserr> i was told sabayon would be better for ati
[11:20] <flaccid> or just do what stdin said :)
[11:20] <linuxnewuserr> than ubuntu
[11:20] <Dr_willis> ive had very few issues with ati on my ubuntu systems
[11:20] <sarah> thank you so much!
[11:20] <Dr_willis> actually i cant think of any problems ive had with it
[11:20] <flaccid> linuxnewuserr: i was told saddam had weapons of mass destruction
[11:20] <sarah> I will try this and let you guys know.
[11:21] <Dr_willis> been amazed at how well its handled it.
[11:21] <raz0r> how can i have floating icons to Kubuntu ??
[11:21] <stdin> sarah: you're welcome, I use it too :)
[11:21] <raz0r> on the desktop ?
[11:21] <linuxnewuserr> ok saddam doesn't have much to do with this
[11:21] <linuxnewuserr> lol
[11:21] <raz0r> yes..im n00b at linux ;D
[11:21] <stdin> raz0r: don't know, try asking in #kde
[11:22] <flaccid> yes but i didn't believe saddam..
[11:23] <linuxnewuserr> so whats your point?
[11:25] <flaccid> if i told you to jump off a cliff, would you?
[11:25] <flaccid> :p
[11:25] <linuxnewuserr> dream linux saves the day- automatic ati and nvidia driver install wooo
[11:25] <linuxnewuserr> see ya ubuntu
[11:25] <stdin> linuxnewuserr: linux = choice, use what works for you :)
[11:26] <flaccid> hehe, cya :)
[11:26] <linuxnewuserr> yeah
[11:26] <sarah> stdin, ok, I've made the changes...do I need to restart X?
[11:26] <linuxnewuserr> I think it'll work for me
[11:26] <linuxnewuserr> since I have an ATI
[11:26] <Dr_willis> considering it takes me 3 min to get ati or nvidia working for me under Ubuntu.....
[11:26] <flaccid> its just funny because ubuntu does the automatic ati thing as well
[11:26] <linuxnewuserr> you're not a noob
[11:26] <Dr_willis> and that means ive learnd how to get it working for other disrtos....
[11:26] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  it does? never noticed
[11:26] <linuxnewuserr> you're not a noob
[11:26] <Dr_willis> its 3 command lines....
[11:26] <stdin> sarah: best thing to do, is stop KDM, then start 915resolution, then restart KDM
[11:26] <flaccid> it does for the open ati driver yes
[11:26] <matthias> hi
[11:26] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  ahh that it does.
[11:27] <matthias> i'm trying to install the ati driver on kubuntu/6.10
[11:27] <flaccid> and can you expect more, when ati is not free open ? no..
[11:27] <linuxnewuserr> matthias have fun
[11:27] <linuxnewuserr> it made me ruin my ubuntu de
[11:27] <Dr_willis> matthias,  and yoru card is a?
[11:27] <liam_> hello, where are the icons kept, when you install a new icon theme?, i need to find the path to change an icon
[11:27] <linuxnewuserr> i'd say try dreamlinux, supposed to do it all automatically for you with little effort
[11:27] <Dr_willis> linuxnewuserr,  thats because you are a noob.. that well.. i wont say any more. :)
[11:27] <matthias> but everytime i want to generate a pkg for ubuntu the installer sais: ./packages/Ubuntu/ati-packager.sh: 176: dpkg-architecture: not found
[11:27] <matthias> i have a X800
[11:28] <linuxnewuserr> Willis should be a bit more understanding of a noob
[11:28] <linuxnewuserr> I'm not a nerd
[11:28] <stdin> sarah: so logout, switch to command line (ctrl-alt-f1), login there then run this: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/915resolution start && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[11:28] <Dr_willis> linuxnewuserr,  you are sitting here insulting us basicially.
[11:28] <linuxnewuserr> no
[11:28] <Dr_willis> i just set up this box with the ati drivers..
[11:28] <bobleny> Hey, how come every time my screen saver comes on, I get a black screen, then a big white X comes up. Then, even though the screen saver is set to lock after 15 seconds, it doesn't. How do I fix this?
[11:28] <sarah> !attitude | linuxnewuserr
[11:28] <ubotu> linuxnewuserr: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:28] <linuxnewuserr> i don't have attitude
[11:28] <linuxnewuserr> i'm frustrated
[11:28] <linuxnewuserr> my de is all messed up
[11:29] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:29] <Dr_willis> worked for me.
[11:29] <Dr_willis> or course I do have my repos set up allready.
[11:29] <flaccid> bobleny: its a bad bug. you can google for it.
[11:29] <flaccid> linuxnewuserr: welcome to linux :)
[11:29] <linuxnewuserr> i'll be a nerd in time with linux
[11:29] <liam_> can anyone answer my question
[11:29] <linuxnewuserr> it'll take time
[11:29] <flaccid> i think your expectations are too high for linux
[11:29] <Dr_willis> !ati
[11:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:29] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[11:30] <Dr_willis>  silly bot..
[11:30] <linuxnewuserr> no my expectations are that linux is better than windows for development
[11:30] <Dr_willis> I just swaped 2 machines cards... moved a nvidia from this box to another and took the ati card from IT  and moved it here...
[11:30] <flaccid> linuxnewuserr: well thats true. but you also expected some sort of auto ati prop. driver thing
[11:30] <stdin> matthias: File dpkg-architecture found in the package dpkg-dev
[11:30] <Dr_willis> I got the ati card going.. :) still fighting with the nvidia... not sure whats going on there.
[11:30] <bobleny> It's a "bug"? what does that mean?
[11:30] <linuxnewuserr> well come on
[11:30] <flaccid> bobleny: somebody made a boo boo
[11:30] <linuxnewuserr> it's my first day ever
[11:30] <linuxnewuserr> on linux
[11:31] <linuxnewuserr> i'm used to windows
[11:31] <linuxnewuserr> naturally
[11:31] <liam_> isnt everyone
[11:31] <flaccid> why even compare
[11:31] <linuxnewuserr> yeah but it's not my fault
[11:31] <liam_> well it is
[11:31] <linuxnewuserr> not really
[11:31] <flaccid> if i get on a motorbike i don't expect it to drive like a car :)
[11:31] <bobleny> Who made a "boo boo"?
[11:31] <liam_> u should have started using linux
[11:31] <linuxnewuserr> I didn't know what linux was about for a while
[11:31] <matthias> stdin: what do you mean
[11:31] <flaccid> bobleny: the ubuntu developers
[11:31] <bobleny> How so?
[11:32] <flaccid> bobleny: google it and read
[11:32] <bobleny> google what?
[11:32] <linuxnewuserr> if you want to treat new users like this, then linux will never become more widespread, I thought it was about community instead of arrogance
[11:32] <stdin> matthias: the error is telling you it can't find the dpkg-architecture file, it's in the dpkg-dev package, you need to install it
[11:32] <flaccid> bobleny: "x white screensaver bug ubuntu"
[11:32] <matthias> ah ok sry
[11:32] <Tido> linuxnewuserr: you might really like freebsd instead of linux
[11:33] <flaccid> linuxnewuserr: i have not seen any arrogance yet. you should treat helpers with some respect then you might get help
[11:33] <linuxnewuserr> I do respect them
[11:33] <linuxnewuserr> I say thank you
[11:33] <flaccid> well why don't you let us tell you how it is and not the other way round considering this is your first day, linuxnewuserr
[11:33] <flaccid> :)
[11:34] <draik> !remote
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <flaccid> here is the white screensaver bug https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/+bug/70991
[11:34] <draik> !remote desktop
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <stdin> liam_: to install an icon theme, go to, System Settings -> Appearance, go to Icond, then click Install New Theme
[11:34] <liam_> i know how to install one
[11:34] <Kaczer> Hi, i have one problem ... I was trying to install new nvidia drivers, i installed beta version of drivers from albertomilone.com but after reboot KDE did not start .... I have only command line
[11:34] <stdin> !vnc | draik
[11:34] <liam_> i just need to know where the icons are stored once installed
[11:34] <ubotu> draik: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:35] <stdin> liam_: you want to know the path to them then?
[11:35] <liam_> because i wanna change an icon and need the path
[11:35] <Kaczer> How can i start KDE from terminal?
[11:35] <flaccid> Kaczer: can't help you coz its beta from some 3rd party site
[11:35] <liam_> yes thanks
[11:35] <SSJ> liam_:The icon theme itself will be stored in /.kde/share/icons/, should you want to edit it.
[11:35] <Tido> Kaczer: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[11:35] <matthias> stdin: now it sais: make: dh_testdir: Command not found, do i have to install another package?
[11:35] <draik> stdin: Thank you. I was thinking of something else to ask the bot instead of !remote and !remote desktop
[11:35] <flaccid> Kaczer: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[11:35] <stdin> liam_: /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps
[11:35] <stdin> draik: no problem :)
[11:35] <SSJ> liam_:Oops - should be ~/.kde/share/icons/
[11:36] <Kaczer> ok, thanks, and what i have to change in ini files to KDE start automaticly?
[11:36] <stdin> SSJ: that's just users ones, I was giving system icons dir :p
[11:36] <stdin> matthias: yes, install debhelper
[11:37] <Tido> Kaczer: I'm not completely sure.  If you don't get an answer here I'd look for an install guide to KDE that would surely have that step
[11:37] <SSJ> stdin:I know, but if you install one through KControl, that's where they end up, I think :)
[11:37] <soulrider> hi everyone
[11:37] <stdin> SSJ: yeah, true :p
[11:38] <Kaczer> irc://irc.freenode.net/Tido,isnick
[11:38] <Kaczer> Tido Ok, i am going to try to start KDE
[11:38] <stdin> Kaczer: just start KDM
[11:38] <Kaczer> ok, thanks
[11:38] <matthias> stdin: ok... but how does i know what package contains this program?
[11:39] <stdin> matthias: the package is debhelper
[11:39] <matthias> stdin: yes but how can i get this information on my own? i'm installing this pkg @ mom
[11:40] <stdin> matthias: you can install a package called apt-file to search for it, or you can ask the bot like: /msg ubotu find ProgramName
[11:40] <flaccid> !xine-lib
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine-lib - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <stdin> flaccid: libxine ?
[11:41] <matthias> stdin: ahh thx
[11:41] <sarah> stdin, ok, I did that, but when I restarted, I only had the resolution options I had before...should I manually set the res and bit/pixel?
[11:41] <stdin> matthias: no problem :)
[11:41] <flaccid> !libxine
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <flaccid> well its distrod as xine-lib
[11:42] <flaccid> when ubotu says (and 13 others) how can i get them results
[11:43] <stdin> candyban: don't think you can, use "apt-file search xine-lib" (you'll have to install it)
[11:43] <linuxnewuserr>  kaczer KDE is nice
[11:43] <stdin> flaccid: ^^^
[11:43] <stdin> sorry candyban :)
[11:43] <sarah> stdin, ok, I did that, but when I restarted, I only had the resolution options I had before...should I manually set the res and bit/pixel?
[11:43] <flaccid> stdin: i'm using the konqi search can't find
[11:44] <stdin> !find libxine
[11:44] <ubotu> Found: libxinerama-dev, libxinerama1, libxinerama1-dbg, libxine-extracodecs, libxine-dev (and 3 others)
[11:44] <sarah> anyone else have any ideas?
[11:44] <stdin> sarah: what do you get with "sudo 915resolution -l" ?
[11:44] <flaccid> how can get those 3 others
[11:44] <flaccid> brb
[11:44] <stdin> sarah: use pastebin
[11:44] <stdin> !pastebin | sarah
[11:45] <ubotu> sarah: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:45] <sarah> k, h/o
[11:45] <Tido> hey guys, for scp/ftp, I have been using Konquorer, doing fish:// and then doing a split screen.  It works well but is there a better app/method to doing this?
[11:46] <sarah> stdin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/784/
[11:46] <stdin> flaccid: libxine-dev libxine-extracodecs libxine-main1 libxine1 libxine1-dbg libxinerama-dev libxinerama1 libxinerama1-dbg
[11:46] <sarah> stdin, I chose mode 5a
[11:47] <stdin> sarah: huh, same as mine :)
[11:47] <sarah> stdin, maybe a lower res?
[11:47] <stdin> sarah: what graphics card/chip do you have
[11:48] <stdin> ohh, it says on the page :p
[11:48] <Kaczer> Hi, i am back, but still from Windows XP. I wrote "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" but it printed that "KDM already runnig" what can be problem?
[11:48] <sarah> stdin, Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[11:48] <stdin> Kaczer: try  "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[11:49] <dennister> hello ppls
[11:49] <Kaczer> and what something next if it do not will help? I do not want to wait for boot to Windows XP :)
[11:49] <stdin> sarah: this is my /etc/default/915resolution : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/786/ try using that one
[11:50] <liam_> how do i change the defualt icon to a program?
[11:50] <stdin> Kaczer: did you modify the xorg.conf file at all? or install a ati/nvidia driver?
[11:50] <sarah> oh, ok, I didn't realise that I had to specify the resa and b/p...thought that was taken care of simply by the mode
[11:51] <acemo> I am not sure wich distro to use.. Kubuntu or Debian, depending on what should i pick wich distro?
[11:51] <stdin> sarah: I think it's a pretty dump app :p
[11:51] <stdin> acemo: have you used debian (or even linux) before?
[11:51] <acemo> im running kubuntu atm
[11:52] <sarah> stdin, ok, logging out now...
[11:52] <nikola> any one know about getting an airport card/airport router to work in kubuntu?
[11:52] <stdin> liam_: just find the icon the app uses, and move/rename it, then put a new icon in it's place
[11:52] <stdin> acemo: how long have you used linux?
[11:52] <acemo> for bout one and half a year
[11:53] <sleepy495> anyone know whats a good OS X type toolbar with motion?
[11:53] <sleepy495> for dapper
[11:53] <stdin> acemo: only kubuntu, or others too?
[11:53] <bulwynkl> hi all, how can I work out what file/mount systyem my machine is using... I thought it was using LVM2 but it doesn't seem to be showing up
[11:53] <liam_> stdin: it says i havnt got the permissions, how do i login as main root or whatever the equivilent
[11:54] <Kaczer> stdin: i did this: "sudo nvidia-xconfig" and the next available way was "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and advice to edit "nv" to "nvidia" in "device" and comment row Load "dri" in section "module".  I checked it trought terminal and it was OK.
[11:54] <stdin> liam_: use kdesu konqueror
[11:54] <sarah> stdin, I did that, but to no avail...bummer, no?
[11:54] <acemo> have used only kubuntu so far
[11:55] <stdin> sarah: hmm, try a different res then, all I can say is it works for me on the 845G chip
[11:55] <sarah> alrighty, thanks for your time.
[11:55] <stdin> acemo: probably best to use kubuntu, debian only installed text based system by default
[11:55] <sleepy495> what's a good icon dock for 6.06, kroller seems very laggy
[11:56] <stdin> bulwynkl: use mount to find the device name of the root partition, if it's /dev/hd.. or /dev/sd.. then it's not LVM
[11:56] <acemo> stdin, thats one of the positive things bout debian tbh
[11:57] <stdin> acemo: yeah, i use it on a server :)
[11:57] <stdin> used to run it for my desktop too
[11:57] <stdin> before kubuntu
[11:57] <acemo> sorry, wrong button
[11:58] <stdin> heh :p
[11:58] <acemo> one thing i like from debian is that you can start with almost nothing and only install what you want
[11:58] <boggystudios> could it be a problem compiling the nvidia module  within X?
[11:58] <stdin> used to run it for my desktop too, before i installed kubuntu
[11:58] <acemo> but on the other hand, ubuntu is more up to date
[11:58] <bulwynkl> so mount returns... /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)... so not LVM then... thanks
[12:00] <stdin> boggystudios: you can just compile the kernel, then compile the binary nvidia driver (from nvidia website) after you boot in to it
[12:01] <zeekstarr> when I burn some mpg's with k3b I can't play them on my dvd player, but I can play mpgs on a cd on my dvd player
[12:01] <draik> stdin: for some reason, I'm being told that I am not authorized to go inside of the laptop from my desktop and vice versa
[12:01] <zeekstarr> what am I doing wrong? I burned it as a data dvd just as I do with cd's
[12:01] <draik> stdin: any clue?
[12:01] <sleepy495> Anyone have advice on a good dock for dapper 6.06?
[12:02] <Kaczer> stdin: Ok, i install nvidia driver
[12:02] <stdin> draik: all I can think is to check the config files for the vnc server, I don't use it so I don't really know
[12:02] <boggystudios> stdin: so the nvidia driver is only used for X and not the shell...
[12:02] <draik> zeekstarr: do you have ffmpg installed?
[12:02] <stdin> boggystudios: that's right
[12:03] <boggystudios> stdin: sweet thanks dude
[12:03] <zeekstarr> draik: yes
[12:03] <draik> zeekstarr: sorry, ffmpeg
[12:03] <draik> stdin: Thank you. I will check
[12:03] <zeekstarr>  draik: I knew wha tyou meant
[12:04] <stdin> Kaczer: run this from the console "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" that will regenerate the file, to let you start KDE
[12:04] <draik> zeekstarr: Sorry. That's all I can think of right now
[12:04] <zeekstarr> alright, thanx
[12:05] <Kaczer> stdin:ok, thanks, i am going to try it.
[12:06] <draik> stdin: I don't suppose you would know how to remote into a windows desktop?
[12:06] <larson9999> how about this quote: Linux is a multi-user, multi-tasking OS designed to be used as a server, whereas FreeDOS-32 is single-user and single-tasking, designed to be used by the end-user.
[12:06] <stdin> hmm
[12:06] <stdin> !rdc
[12:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <draik> larson9999: what about the quote?
[12:07] <sarah> ok, I've got another question about kubuntu. This time, I need help renaming my desktops. When I right-click on the pager and select "Configure Desktops" I can change the names, but when I hit "Apply" there is no difference, each desktop is still just numbered 1,2,3,4.
[12:07] <stdin> !rdp
[12:07] <sleepy495> Whats a good e-mail client for kubuntu?
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <sarah> !anything
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <draik> sleepy495: I use Thunderbird
[12:08] <larson9999> draik: "linux is just a server" drives me nuts.  that's all :)
[12:08] <draik> sleepy495: I also use Spamato for my spam folder. All in all, it's decent
[12:08] <stdin> draik: use krdc to connect to a windows PC, as long as the win pc is setup right
[12:08] <draik> larson9999: I'm not calling you out for it, I'm just saying that out of context it just sounded a bit funny.
[12:09] <draik> Thank you stdin
[12:09] <sleepy495> draik: how do I install thunderbird and spamato?
[12:09] <sarah> ok, I've got another question about kubuntu. This time, I need help renaming my desktops. When I right-click on the pager and select "Configure Desktops" I can change the names, but when I hit "Apply" there is no difference, each desktop is still just numbered 1,2,3,4.
[12:09] <larson9999> draik: i live 'out of context'
[12:10] <draik> sleepy495: open up your konsole and type                sudo apt-get install thunderbird
[12:10] <stdin> draik: about the desktops, right click on the pager and choose "pager options" and click "desktop name" near the meddle
[12:10] <stdin> opps, that's to sarah ^^ :p
[12:10] <draik> stdin: LOL, that wasn't me. That was sarah asking about the desktops
[12:10] <sarah> thanks so much!
[12:10] <draik> lol
[12:11] <draik> sleepy495: you can get that from the thunderbird site plugins
[12:11] <Dr_willis> !info spamato
[12:11] <Dr_willis> !info thunderbird
[12:11] <ubotu> Package spamato does not exist in any distro I know
[12:11] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in any distro I know
[12:11] <sarah> thanks
[12:12] <stdin> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[12:12] <draik> sleepy495: just be sure that you save it to your hdd and then have thunderbird add it for you
[12:12] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0.9-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 10504 kB, installed size 29596 kB
[12:12] <draik> Thank you Dr_willis and stdin...   sleepy495:     type                  sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[12:14] <sleepy495> ok did that, seems it run smoothly, what about spamato?