[12:43] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:27] <Ingar> HEI!
[01:27] <jdong> s
[01:28] <jdong> sorry, didn't mean to do that, lost focus...
[02:09] <ozgurk> hello
[02:09] <ozgurk> good nights.
[04:55] <glick> hi
[04:56] <glick> hey has a decision going to be made if feisty is going to include the 3d desktop by default?
[04:56] <glick> or whats going on with that?
[05:19] <somerville32> There are a lot of kernel packages that haven't be recompiled. Why isn't the old binary package left in the repository until the new version is ready?
[05:21] <Nafallo> somerville32: huh?
[05:21] <somerville32> *been
[05:24] <Nafallo> 17-10, 19-7, 20-1, 20-2, 20-3, 20-4, 20-5 is in feisty :-)
[05:26] <somerville32> Most of the linux-restricted-modules aren't
[05:26] <somerville32> When I upgraded I had to use the gb mirror because it is broken and still had the old packages
[05:28] <Nafallo> how bad :-)
[05:29] <Nafallo> I don't use restricted myself
[05:30] <johanbr> somerville32: There's no guarantee that the development repository is in a 100% consistent state at all times.
[05:30] <somerville32> johanbr, Thats to be expected.
[05:31] <somerville32> But it has less to do with it being the dev repository and more to do with how repositories work
[05:31] <somerville32> (my question that is)
[05:32] <Nafallo> somerville32: that's why I answered that we have lots of old packages lying around :-)
[05:32] <Nafallo> laying
[05:32] <johanbr> lying
[05:32] <johanbr> Pet peeve of mine. :)
[05:33] <somerville32> How do you spell lieing?
[05:33] <johanbr> lie, lies, lain, lying.
[05:34] <jdub> "lain"?
[05:34] <johanbr> Has lain.
[05:35] <jdub> in the case of telling a lie, it's "lied"
[05:35] <jdub> in the case of a funeral "laid to rest"
[05:35] <jdub> "lain" is pretty old school
[05:36] <_ion> Thou think so?
[05:36] <johanbr> If you're looking for a past tense of "lie" meaning "be situated on", I don't know what else you'd use.
[05:37] <somerville32> lied?
[05:37] <somerville32> lol
[05:37] <johanbr> If you're telling an untruth, yes.
[05:39] <somerville32> If lying and lying are the same - why not lied and lied?
[05:40] <_ion> Since when is English supposed to be logical?
[05:40] <somerville32> gp
[05:52] <sistpoty> haha, with your discussions about english I just found (and filed) bug #78271
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78271 in tk8.4 "usr/lib/libtk8.4.so.0 has no SONAME" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78271
[05:52] <jdong> jdub: I've gotten a 5 point grammar deduction on a paper for using slain, so I doubt lain would fly so smoothly :D
[05:53] <Nafallo> sistpoty: go to bed! :-)
[05:53] <sistpoty> Nafallo: only this small security fix for gallery2, then *g*
[05:53] <_ion> Let's all switch to Lojban.
[05:53] <jdub> jdong: slain is more regularly used than lain
[05:53] <jdong> jdub: yeah, IMO slain is still usable :)
[05:53] <Nafallo> sistpoty: I am in bed myself. had to patch together two cat5e :-)
[05:54] <jdong> but obviously my english teacher thought that 'slayed' should be used instead :D
[05:54] <sistpoty> Nafallo: :)
[05:54] <_ion> I'm in bed, too.
[05:59] <Nafallo> _ion: so you actually mean you're in bed with me? ;-)
[05:59] <somerville32> I had a prof tell me that spelled should be used instead of spelt - but I argued with him until he let me use the word spelt :] 
[06:00] <johanbr> For what it's worth, Merriam-Webster seems to agree with me about "lie".
[06:02] <_ion> nafallo: Well, there probably is an alternative universe where you reside in this bed and i reside in that bed.
[06:02] <somerville32> ;] 
[06:02] <Nafallo> haha
[06:03] <Nafallo> _ion: would probably be good for you. I got a large bed :-)
[06:25] <jdub> johanbr: that is not a real dictionary.
[06:28] <johanbr> jdub: Are you going to go Crocodile Dundee on me and pull out the complete OED?
[06:30] <Nafallo> lol
[06:31] <jdub> johanbr: quite!
[06:32] <jdub> johanbr: though it'd have to be some bizaaro version of croc dundee with a snotty english accent
[06:37] <elkbuntu> jdub, what's the best email address to harrass you at?
[08:45] <macd> whats the deal with kernel-patch-grsecurity2 ?
[08:45] <macd> has grsec been merged in edgy?
[09:00] <macd> whats the deal with kernel-patch-grsecurity2 ?
[09:00] <macd> has grsec been merged in edgy?
[11:16] <mdke> Mithrandir: just tried your contentless ping script, doesn't seem to work. Anything I need to do except for loading it?
[11:20] <Mithrandir> mdke: sure?
[11:20] <Mithrandir> mdke: ping
[11:20] <Mithrandir> hmm, true, at least if your current client has it loaded.
[11:21] <mdke> Mithrandir: yes
[11:21] <mdke> 10:08:44 -!- Irssi: Loaded script contentless_ping
[11:25] <Mithrandir> it seems to be buggy, I'll take a poke at it.
[11:25] <mdke> Mithrandir: wow, thanks. Lemme know if I can test
[12:03] <Mithrandir> mdke: ok, download the script again, it's fixed now and has rate-limiting applied.
[12:04] <mdke> Mithrandir: that's awesome. Will check later and let you know!
[12:04] <Mithrandir> mdke: thanks for telling me that it was buggy. :-)
[12:04] <glick> hey so is feisty fawn gonna be uncool and try to make the 3d desktop default?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir!!!
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ...
[12:04] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee! :-)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:05] <Mithrandir> how's .au today?
[12:05] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir, a lot colder than the past few days, which is good :)
[12:05] <glick> ?
[12:06] <glick> shuttleworth! are you in here?
[12:06] <Mithrandir> glick: sabdfl isn't here now, no.
[12:06] <glick> dont make 3d desktop default
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: dunno, i've been inside working most of the day.  it's been raining and sunny, alternating
[12:13] <mdke> glick: powerful reasoning
[12:13] <mdke> glick: you might wanna try the usual means of discussion though, via commenting on the relevant specification, etc
[12:13] <Keybuk> jdub: damn boy, you've managed to find an ancient version of mailman, there!
[12:13] <glick> mdke, but many people dont have fancy video hardware
[12:13] <glick> what are they gonna do?
[12:13] <Keybuk> glick: not to mention providing an argument
[12:14] <jdub> Keybuk: LA mail infra sucks. i've offered to revamp the whole lot post-lca.
[12:14] <Keybuk> glick: default doesn't mean "mandatory", we already enable AIGLX by default if you have the hardware -- those without the hardware simply don't have it enabled
[12:14] <stgraber> Anyone knows if the current daily build of Feisty is installable ?
[12:15] <Keybuk> stgr: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html
[12:15] <Keybuk> stgraber: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html
[12:16] <Keybuk> that's pretty installable
[12:16] <glick> what is the reasoning for default 3d desktop?
[12:16] <stgraber> oh, didn't know of that file, thank you
[12:17] <Keybuk> glick: see the spec
[12:18] <StevenK> I spent my Sunday at the airport.
[12:18] <StevenK> I would have prefered to be at my computer, to be honest.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> heya pitti 
[12:21] <pitti> Hobbsee: I spent my entire Saturday refactorizing the apport UI and writing test suites
[12:22] <pitti> Hobbsee: long train rides are excellent for that :)
[12:22] <StevenK> Cloakroom?
[12:23] <pitti> StevenK: see crash-reporting spec
[12:23] <pitti> bbl
[12:24] <Hobbsee> pitti: woot :)
[12:26] <pitti> StevenK: bottom line is that reports can be uploaded automatically and Malone integrates the data in the report filed
[12:26] <pitti> StevenK: no more 'please attach this clumsy file name to the bug' dialog
[12:26] <StevenK> Whee
[12:27] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[12:27] <pitti> on the distro sprint I'll work with Bjorn to actually get Malone working for that :)
[12:27] <pitti> thus I develop it in a branch for now
[12:28] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[12:28] <pitti> argh, feisty's gnome-terminal reeeally sucks *grumpy*
[12:33] <StevenK> pitti: How so?
[12:34] <pitti> StevenK: it freezes pretty often, I can only close the tab and open a new one
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Works fine for me.
[12:34] <pitti> i. e. it reacts to ^C (write new command prompt), but doesn't do anything else
[12:34] <StevenK> pitti: I suggest the fix is to belt seb128 until he fixes it. :-P
[12:35] <pitti> StevenK: great idea!
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: now it's not good manners to belt females...
[12:37] <StevenK> Indeed.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Damn.
[01:05] <mneptok> HI!
[01:05] <pitti> hey Kurt!
[01:06] <mneptok> morgen pitti 
[01:07] <ogra> moin
[01:07] <mneptok> i need to lock myself in a text editor with e-mail text i don't want to write
[01:07] <mneptok> *grmbl*
[01:07] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you could just avoid it
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hey ogra 
[01:08] <ogra> hi Hobbsee 
[01:08] <mneptok> Hobbsee: it's ... it's ... *like you've been sitting next to me for 36 hours*  ;)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> mneptok: haha. "why put off till tomorrow what you can put off till next week?"
[01:10] <mneptok> as a Buddhist, my procrastination can extend across incarnations
[01:11] <StevenK> Ahhh, so babies aren't just lying around doing nothing, they're procrastinating from previous lives. Brilliant!
[01:12] <mneptok> StevenK: exactly. "i'll finish buisding that deck when this crap is out of my pants."
[01:12] <mneptok> *building
[01:13] <StevenK> "And when I can lift the hammer."
[02:14] <mdke> Mithrandir: link to your script on your latest blog post seems to still point at 0.2
[02:15] <mdke> Mithrandir: or maybe you didn't bump up the version number
[02:20] <geser> mdke:  http://err.no/src/contentless_ping.pl has 'my $VERSION = "0.3";'
[02:22] <Mithrandir> mdke: I believe you are the victim of a proxy. :-P
[02:26] <mdke> Mithrandir: hmm. my isp?
[02:26] <Mithrandir> 7f11ac3fb552f0efefbbe4ecebd9e214  contentless_ping.pl
[02:26] <Mithrandir> does that match your local md5sum?
[02:27] <mdke> Mithrandir: lemme download it again
[02:27] <mdke> Mithrandir: no
[02:28] <Mithrandir> try getting http://err.no/src/contentless_ping2.pl, then?
[02:28] <Mithrandir> (same file, just a copy)
[02:28] <mdke> Mithrandir: I got the original file after clearing firefox cache, all is now well
[02:29] <Mithrandir> oh, ok
[02:29] <mdke> is it supposed to do that?
[02:30] <Mithrandir> I don't think I'm sending out expires headers, so yeah, except it should have been picked up by if-modified-since or something like it.
[02:31] <mdke> Mithrandir: see if the script works?
[02:32] <Mithrandir> mdke: ping
[02:32] <mdke> Mithrandir: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> yeah, works fine.
[02:32] <mdke> \o/
[02:32] <Mithrandir> you can /set contentless_ping_action to change the text, etc if you want to.
[02:33] <Mithrandir> similarly /set contentless_ping_regexp to change the regex it uses to pick up pings.
[02:35] <mdke> Mithrandir: sure. does it pick up pings prefaced by $nick, (comma instead of colon)?
[02:36] <Mithrandir> nope, but I could fix that.
[02:38] <mdke> Mithrandir: only if you fancy it
[02:38] <Mithrandir> (done)
[02:38] <Mithrandir> set contentless_ping_regexp to $own_nick[,:]  (ping|around|ayt|((are )?you )?there)[!?.] ?$
[02:41] <mdke> very cool
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir$ ping
[02:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:45] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: sure, you can work around it; the idea isn't to play some kind of escalation war game, but rather to get people to provide useful information when they ping you.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yeah, i know :)
[02:45] <mdke> escalation war games can be fun too though
[02:45] <Hobbsee> mdke: they are!
[02:45] <Mithrandir> so I'm not going to add workarounds for everything people can think of to work around it.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe, i know :)  
[02:45] <Mithrandir> mdke: sure, they can be, but they can very easily turn pointless and annoying to the rest of the world. :-)
[02:46] <mdke> indeed
[05:06] <fgo496> Hello2all
[08:50] <In-love-with-TUX> i've upgrade my ubuntu to feisty but i have a problem with the acpid  it gave a message that i should do dpkg-reconfigure acpi but it still show me that acpi not configured will what should i do ?
[08:50] <In-love-with-TUX> sorry i just finnished reading the topic 
[08:50] <In-love-with-TUX> :(
[09:28] <hunger> Is there a linux-image-2.6.20-5-generic already?
[09:30] <Mithrandir> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-5-generic_2.6.20-5.7_amd64.deb for instance?
[10:05] <lifeless> morning
[10:16] <somerville32> Morning
[10:20] <mdke> Mithrandir: I notice that you've built in Jedi powers to that script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/776/
[10:20] <mdke> it sees things before they happen
[10:21] <hunger> Mithrandir: Damit.... why doesn't aptitude pick that up here?
[10:21] <Mithrandir> mdke: oh, that's just because of how the internal irssi timing works out.  If it's annoying, add a sleep 0.1 before the response.
[10:21] <mdke> Mithrandir: no, I thought it was cool
[10:22] <Treenaks> "You will ping me without content... please don't"
[10:22] <mdke> lol
[10:22] <Treenaks> sounds like a Jedi mind trick
[10:22] <mdke> this is not the contentless ping you are looking for
[10:22] <Treenaks> mdke: *handwave* a contentless ping will do fine
[10:22] <mdke> haha
[10:23] <_ion> mithrandir: sleep? :-)
[10:23] <mdke> your tricks do not work on irc
[10:23] <_ion> mithrandir: How about Irssi::signal_add_last?
[10:23] <Mithrandir> _ion: oh, sure, that should work too, I guess.  I've never pretended to know my way around irssi programming. :-P
[10:23] <Mithrandir> _ion: patches accepted. 
[10:24] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: ah, true Perl style: 'Patches welcome' :)
[10:24] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: heh. :-)  I'm just lazy.
[10:25] <Treenaks> Three great virtues of programming are laziness, impatience, and hubris. - Larry Wall
[10:25] <Treenaks> anyway, gone :)
[11:26] <jc-denton> hi all
[11:26] <jc-denton> where is the .config of the offical ubuntu kernel?
[11:26] <jc-denton> i thought that the config is also somewhere accessible through proc
[11:26] <jc-denton> but forgot how
[11:26] <_ion> ls /boot/config*
[11:27] <jc-denton> [17183300.392000]  ipw2100: eth1: No response from Symbol - hw not alive
[11:27] <jc-denton> [17183300.396000]  ipw2100: eth1: Error loading microcode: -5
[11:27] <jc-denton> [17183300.396000]  ipw2100: eth1: Failed to power on the adapter.
[11:27] <jc-denton> [17183300.396000]  ipw2100: eth1: Failed to start the firmware.
[11:27] <jc-denton> woops
[11:27] <jc-denton> sry
[11:27] <jc-denton> /boot/config-2.6.17-10-generic
[11:27] <jc-denton> ok that looks good thank you
[12:08] <shawarma> jc-denton: It's true that the linux kernel makes this possible (through CONFIG_IKCONFIG), but as we always ship the config in /boot, there's really no need to bloat the kernel image with it.