[07:53] <Hobbsee> @schedule houston
[07:53] <Hobbsee> @schedule texas
[07:54] <Hawkwind> @schedule chicago
[07:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 07 Jan 12:00: Ubuntu New User's Network | 08 Jan 16:00: Kubuntu Developers | 09 Jan 09:00: LoCo Team | 09 Jan 10:00: Forum Council | 09 Jan 15:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 06:00: Edubuntu
[07:54] <Hawkwind> Yeppers, 4pm on Monday
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:33] <nixternal> muhaha, yes use chicago! :)
[05:08] <ryanakca> @schedule Toronto
[05:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 07 Jan 13:00: Ubuntu New User's Network | 08 Jan 17:00: Kubuntu Developers | 09 Jan 10:00: LoCo Team | 09 Jan 11:00: Forum Council | 09 Jan 16:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu
[06:57] <ryanakca> Ready for the meeting?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> yeah i think so
[07:03] <ryanakca> hmm... agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda
[07:04] <ryanakca> shall we start by picking the launchpad logo or ?
[07:05] <ryanakca> ok, keep it for the end then?
[07:05] <gnomefreak> no im ok
[07:05] <gnomefreak> just gonna be slow
[07:06] <gnomefreak> ok im there
[07:06] <ryanakca> ;)
[07:06] <gnomefreak> i like the first one for LP
[07:06] <gnomefreak> with the hand shake
[07:06] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:06] <ryanakca> same here
[07:07] <jrib> that's my vote too
[07:07] <ryanakca> and for the official logo, the one with the bigger heart...
[07:07] <gnomefreak> agreed
[07:07] <jrib> yep, big heart looks better than the small one
[07:07] <ryanakca> hybrid: agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda
[07:08] <jrib> what's wrong with using the handshake for the official one though?
[07:08] <ryanakca> So, I presume we've picked our two logos, lp = handshake, official logo (which could go onto our wiki) has the big heart?
[07:08] <ryanakca> jrib: well, does PWil have a biger version of it?
[07:09] <gnomefreak> jrib: i like the idea but i dont have a mock up of what it will look like big
[07:09] <ryanakca> if he does, I'm all for using it... if it still looks nice when it's big
[07:09] <ryanakca> That way people don
[07:09] <ryanakca> don't get confused...
[07:10] <gnomefreak> let me see if i cant comeup with something on it please continue with meeting ill ping when done
[07:11] <ryanakca> kk
[07:11] <ryanakca> Hmm... Shall we restart advertising classroom and NUN?
[07:12] <ryanakca> nixternal had been advertising a lot, and we had great attendance during the courses, but then the advertising stopped and our attendance started to drop...
[07:13] <jrib> where/how did we advertise before?
[07:13] <gnomefreak> we need to work backwards in agenda
[07:14] <ryanakca> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/08/2042213
[07:14] <gnomefreak> letws find out where we are going what classes to hold before advertising ;)
[07:14] <gnomefreak> -w
[07:15] <ryanakca> lol
[07:15] <ryanakca> good idea
[07:16] <ryanakca> Where is the NUN going... do we keep having classes? should we recruit some people to bring it back to life?
[07:16] <ryanakca> What are our goals for the future in other words...
[07:17] <gnomefreak> its a bit fuzzy :( i have to figure out how to clean it up
[07:17] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: we need to hold classes we can teach instead of having anyone come in and teach since we saw how that went
[07:18] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:18] <jrib> also do we want to repeat classes or come up with new ones?
[07:18] <ryanakca> people not mailing in their course descriptions/notes, not showing up, etc
[07:18] <gnomefreak> recrute people to bring it back to life? whats wrong with you and hybrid?
[07:18] <gnomefreak> there were alot of canceled classes last round
[07:19] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:20] <ryanakca> and a couple where I was scrambling to write up a class because someone told us at the last minute that they hadn't prepared anything and couldn't show up... even thought that's partially my fault for not bugging them enough ahead of time...
[07:21] <ryanakca> well, make it more lively, get more members, so that we can better coordinate things...
[07:21] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: more members? half the members we have now have done nothing
[07:22] <gnomefreak> we really need to go through the members list so we know who we can call on when something is needed
[07:22] <ryanakca> there's lots of people in #ubuntu and #kubuntu who meet the requirements, and might be interested in helping out /actively/
[07:22] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:23] <ryanakca> There are 47 direct members of the "New User Network" team, and 47 people are members in total, directly and indirectly through other team memberships.
[07:23] <ryanakca> how many of those 47 actually do something, I'm not sure
[07:24] <gnomefreak> getting there
[07:24] <jrib> ok, I don't see anything wrong with recruiting some people to help out
[07:24] <ryanakca> https://launchpad.net/~newusernetwork   if you need the link instead of going threw people manually
[07:24] <ryanakca> threw launchpad**
[07:24] <gnomefreak> i got it just really slow
[07:25] <ryanakca> jrib: maybe add something to the "HowtoHelpOut" page (I think that's what it was called...)
[07:26] <gnomefreak> most of these people on here are devels and may not have alot of time
[07:26] <gnomefreak> atleast the people i know off hand
[07:26] <ryanakca> And maybe get something added something to that newletter/magazine that they have weekly (or biweekly, or whenever it was, haven't read it in a while..)
[07:27] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:27] <ryanakca> Weekly News
[07:27] <ryanakca> that's it...
[07:28] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: yeah
[07:28] <gnomefreak> why not make project groups?
[07:29] <gnomefreak> that way there is a weekly news group
[07:29] <ryanakca> hmm... like a group for classroom, maybe a group for the mailing list type class with the doc team..., etc? all under the NUN
[07:29] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:29] <ryanakca> a weekly news group?
[07:29] <gnomefreak> forget the avbove
[07:29] <gnomefreak> but yes something like that
[07:29] <gnomefreak> that way we know the classes will be covered the docs will be written
[07:30] <ryanakca> kk
[07:30] <gnomefreak> atleast try it and at that point we will know where people stand
[07:30] <ryanakca> sounds good, but we would need to get some people... at the moment, it looks like we have 5-6 active people, if that...
[07:31] <gnomefreak> i see 3 ;)
[07:31] <gnomefreak> 4 with hybrid
[07:31] <gnomefreak> but i agree
[07:32] <ryanakca> so we've agreed on getting some more people involved...
[07:33] <ryanakca> how is the question... Weekly News / HowToHelpOut?
[07:33] <gnomefreak> yeah
[07:33] <ryanakca> kk
[07:33] <gnomefreak> i like idea of howtohelpout wiki
[07:33] <jrib> ryanakca: you mean a weekly news for NUN?
[07:33] <ryanakca> I think there already is one...
[07:33] <ryanakca> jrib: no...
[07:33] <gnomefreak> or change the one we have to fit it
[07:34] <ryanakca> jrib: just a sec, I'll get you the link to it
[07:34] <gnomefreak> i think he means marketing teams newsletter
[07:34] <ryanakca> it's managed by the marketting team
[07:34] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:34] <jrib> oh I know about ubuntu weekly news.  So we just want to be mentioned in there then?
[07:34] <ryanakca> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/705
[07:34] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:34] <gnomefreak> btw i need someone on edgy to test opera 9.10 (i have a .deb if needed)
[07:35] <ryanakca> Anybody who wants to join, please contact ________ or join #ubuntu-nun
[07:35] <gnomefreak> that should be easy enough
[07:35] <gnomefreak> to get into there
[07:35] <jrib> yeah, sounds good
[07:35] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: I can, later on... Tuesday, or later on tonight...
[07:36] <ryanakca> this isn't the page I'm talking about, but it's simmilar.. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[07:38] <gnomefreak> wonders if we can be mentioned on that link
[07:38] <ryanakca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[07:38] <gnomefreak> under support
[07:39] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:39] <ryanakca> hopefully, can't see why not...
[07:39] <ryanakca> hmm... we're already under contributetoubuntu...
[07:39] <gnomefreak> the doc guy i would know to ask is gonna be offline for a while
[07:40] <ryanakca> kk
[07:40] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: i think it would be helpful for a howtocontribute to nun not just under ubuntu
[07:40] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:41] <gnomefreak> btw the .deb will be up here sometime today http://www.youmortals.com/ubuntu/packages/
[07:41] <gnomefreak> sorry doing like 30 things
[07:41] <ryanakca> np
[07:41] <ryanakca> ok
[07:42] <ryanakca> our class topics have run out. What do we do? loop? think up some more subjects? scrap it?
[07:42] <gnomefreak> ok we just have to figure out how to get all this done. i asked pwill to fix the icon if he can
[07:42] <ryanakca> What about asking a Team to give a Marketing Speech on how to get involved every other weekend (where there isn't a course)?   What about making it a great big Ubuntu School, geared towards all users in all ubuntu subjects, (like merge with motu-school, etc), or have teams give courses (instead of or as well of a Marketing Speech)?
[07:43] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: lets give us a time period to come up with classes (as a group in -nun maybe)
[07:43] <ryanakca> kk
[07:43] <gnomefreak> is motu school still holding classes?
[07:44] <ryanakca> erm, LaserJock was interested in holding some in combination with Classroom, iirc
[07:44] <ryanakca> but #ubuntu-motu-school currently has 3 people...
[07:45] <gnomefreak> if we can combine them i say go for it that way we have all classes that can be held
[07:45] <ryanakca> ok
[07:45] <gnomefreak> just for classes
[07:45] <ryanakca> What about making it a great big Ubuntu School, geared towards all users in all ubuntu subjects, (like merge with motu-school, etc), or have teams give courses (instead of or as well of a Marketing Speech)?
[07:45] <jrib> if we do that, we should classify classes.  Like "beginner", or "advanced"
[07:45] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: 2 people votes may nto be good enough on these things
[07:45] <gnomefreak> jrib: agreed
[07:46] <ryanakca> Like doc could give a course on writing proper documentation, QA could give a course on bug reporting and triaging (crimsun suggested that)..
[07:46] <ryanakca> jrib: yeah
[07:46] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: merge the classes with motu as jrib said as beginner/advanced so on
[07:46] <ryanakca> jrib: well, with the past courses, we started simple and moved up to more complicated
[07:47] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: yeah, and especially not with MOTU...
[07:47] <ryanakca> we need to get in touch with them...
[07:47] <ryanakca> kk
[07:49] <ryanakca> So should we think of having a big Ubuntu School, for all ubuntu subjects... NUN stuff, documentation writing, Bug reporting, packaging, translating, artwork, etc?
[07:49] <ryanakca> or just keep it to NUN stuff or NUN/MOTU stuff?
[07:51] <gnomefreak> all stuff or make nun as beginner
[07:51] <gnomefreak> and motu as advanced (give them the kernel classes packaging (unless you want to hol dpackaging 101
[07:52] <jrib> yeah, I'd like one central places that manages the classes and makes sure there is an easy way to check for *any* class.  But, it does kind of remove the focus from classes for beginners and people starting out
[07:52] <gnomefreak> didnt see anything for lunch that caught my eye :(
[07:53] <gnomefreak> who is head of motu school?
[07:53] <ryanakca> jrib: well, we could have beginner (NUN material) one weekend, and then MOTU/other stuff the other, and alternate
[07:53] <ryanakca> erm, dunno, lemme check
[07:53] <jrib> ryanakca: I like that
[07:54] <gnomefreak> only problem there is motu classes are held on fridays and nun on weekends
[07:54] <gnomefreak> problem on handshake icon (big) noone made an svn for it
[07:55] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well, most people are at school/work on fridays, so maybe, if they're willing, move it to weekend?
[07:55] <ryanakca> I'm guessing dholbach, based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Requests
[07:55] <gnomefreak> if they are willing
[07:55] <gnomefreak> cool
[07:55] <gnomefreak> hes easy enough to get in otuch with
[07:56] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:56] <gnomefreak> ok still working on handshake icon pwill has a svn of one not really the same though
[07:58] <gnomefreak> opera is up on link finnaly
[07:58] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/emblems/emblem-handshake.svg ... It isn't bad... wouldn't be bad for launchpad and official wiki if we vote on it...
[07:58] <gnomefreak> finally
[07:58] <ryanakca> s/official wiki/nun wiki
[07:59] <gnomefreak> i dont like the circle i like the ubuntu symbol more so
[07:59] <ryanakca> kk
[08:00] <ryanakca> same
[08:01] <jrib> yeah I like the handshake inside the ubuntu logo too
[08:01] <gnomefreak> next on agenda?
[08:01] <ryanakca> #
[08:01] <ryanakca> What about a mailing list type course, where every week, we send out an email with a link to a piece of documentation that would interest and affect a large portion of users, 5-10-20 questions based on it, and the answers to the previous week's questions. Also, they mail the list any questions they have on the course material (NOT everyday questions, they can go to kubuntu-users, ubuntu-users, etc, for those).
[08:02] <gnomefreak> uploding googleearth and im done uploading except maybe the logo
[08:02] <ryanakca> The doc team  would get their documentation reviewed by many people at the same time too...
[08:03] <gnomefreak> same class as we held that weekend?
[08:03] <gnomefreak> like take the transcripts email them out with official docs on it?
[08:04] <ryanakca> not necessarily
[08:04] <ryanakca> Just any new doc from the doc team
[08:04] <gnomefreak> example?
[08:04] <ryanakca> that way people know about what the doc team is producing at the same time...
[08:04] <ryanakca> erm...
[08:04] <gnomefreak> ok i think i got it
[08:05] <ryanakca> kk
[08:06] <gnomefreak> we can try it no harm in that
[08:06] <ryanakca> nope
[08:06] <ryanakca> we just need to either a) make a new mailing list, or b) get people to subscribe to the NUN mailing list
[08:10] <gnomefreak> i would like more input from others on that one.
[08:11] <ryanakca> kk
[08:11] <gnomefreak> maybe either attach what we decide here to ML or hold another meeting with the postponed things?
[08:11] <ryanakca> And we pretty much have to restart advertising, right?
[08:11] <ryanakca> yeah
[08:12] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:12] <ryanakca> Well, I sent an email to the ML a while back, never got a reply, I'm assuming it's dormant...
[08:12] <ryanakca> so probably hold another meeting...
[08:12] <gnomefreak> i read it ;)
[08:12] <ryanakca> lol
[08:17] <gnomefreak> ok what next
[08:17] <gnomefreak> s
[08:18] <ryanakca> I think that's it... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda check, feel free to add something if you wish...
[08:18] <gnomefreak> thats fine we are done is a good
[08:19] <ryanakca> ok, I guess we're done :)
[08:20] <ryanakca> thanks for showing up gnomefreak, jrib
[08:20] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:35] <sid> What is new users network?
[08:37] <Hawkwind> !nun
[08:37] <gnomefreak> lol Hawkwind
[08:37] <gnomefreak> sid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUN
[08:37] <sid> thanks
[08:38] <Hawkwind> Though the bots not here, it should be defined in the bot
[08:38] <gnomefreak> or not
[08:38] <gnomefreak> wth
[08:38] <sid> "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists."
[08:38] <ryanakca> sid: we help new users out, just a second, I'll get you a link
[08:38] <ryanakca> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewUserNetwork
[08:38] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserNetwork?highlight=%28newusernetwork%29
[08:39] <ryanakca> we're also in charge of the Classroom project... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Classroom
[08:40] <gnomefreak> we really need to redo that page if we are staying on wiki instead of the new wiki