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| rexbron | crimsun: how does one decide what binaries will be created from the source package? | 02:58 |
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| crimsun | sorry, that question's a bit vague | 02:58 |
| crimsun | are you asking how to name the binary packages (debian/control)? | 02:59 |
| rexbron | kind of look at http://www.somasuite.org/somad.php | 02:59 |
| rexbron | everything there is in the same source package | 02:59 |
| crimsun | or are you asking how to place files in certain binary packages (debian/*.install)? | 02:59 |
| rexbron | both | 02:59 |
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| rexbron | so for example (from above link): | 03:00 |
| bluefoxicy | gnome terminal misspells "Colors" in the preferences dialog vo.ov | 03:00 |
| rexbron | one would have a dh_install move all the somad files into the proper dir | 03:01 |
| crimsun | or you could just enumerate the files in debian/somad.install | 03:01 |
| rexbron | crimsun: I think I need a hand holding | 03:02 |
| crimsun | ok, I pointed you to quodlibet's source package | 03:02 |
| crimsun | take a look in debian/*.install | 03:02 |
| rexbron | ok | 03:02 |
| crimsun | note how each foo.install explicitly lists which files belong to binary package 'foo' | 03:02 |
| rexbron | getting the source now | 03:02 |
| rexbron | crimsun: ok | 03:03 |
| rexbron | that is where they would normally be make install'd to? | 03:04 |
| crimsun | yes | 03:04 |
| rexbron | ok, makes sense | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | bluefoxicy, how does it spell it? | 03:05 |
| crimsun | as for libsoma, you should look at http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/ | 03:05 |
| rexbron | crimsun: how does one decide how to name (and therefore split) the differnt packages? | 03:06 |
| bluefoxicy | Fujitsu: "Colour" | 03:06 |
| rexbron | bluefoxicy: that is the canadian and british spelling | 03:06 |
| crimsun | rexbron: that's pretty much up to the packager | 03:06 |
| rexbron | crimsun: sugestions | 03:06 |
| bluefoxicy | rexbron: well I'm not canadian or british | 03:06 |
| crimsun | rexbron: (except for the libraries, which I gave you a pointer to) | 03:06 |
| Fujitsu | bluefoxicy, that is the spelling literally everywhere except the US. | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | (that speaks English, that is) | 03:08 |
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| bluefoxicy | Fujitsu: well, I'm in the US o.o | 03:08 |
| rexbron | crimsun: there is so much to do for this package | 03:10 |
| rexbron | crimsun: this is the breakdown I am thinking of | 03:10 |
| rexbron | somad, libsoma0, libsoma0-dev, somacheck, somaclient, somaconfig, soma-doc, phpsoma, pysoma | 03:11 |
| rexbron | this is based off of looking at the src | 03:11 |
| Fujitsu | rexbron, it would be libsoma-dev. | 03:12 |
| rexbron | ya | 03:13 |
| rexbron | crimsun: now how does one know where each of the files that make up the packages would normally be installed to? | 03:13 |
| rexbron | !udb | 03:17 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about udb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:17 |
| rexbron | !udeb | 03:17 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about udeb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:17 |
| rexbron | crimsun: now how does one know where each of the files that make up the packages would normally be installed to? | 03:19 |
| crimsun | rexbron: look at an installed package or a deb, or a --prefixed make install | 03:22 |
| rexbron | ok | 03:23 |
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| rexbron_ | crimsun: | 03:37 |
| rexbron_ | crimsun: I did a prefixed install | 03:37 |
| crimsun | to $HOME/foo, I hope | 03:38 |
| rexbron_ | crimsun: and know what is installed where | 03:38 |
| rexbron_ | yes | 03:38 |
| crimsun | ok, now follow the instructions in dh_install | 03:38 |
| crimsun | dh_install(1), rather | 03:38 |
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| rexbron_ | crimsun: ok so for somad | 03:41 |
| rexbron_ | it installs a binary to usr/bin/ with the name somad | 03:41 |
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| rexbron_ | therefore somad.install contains /usr/bin/somad | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | I don't think you want the first / on that | 03:43 |
| rexbron_ | LaserJock: could you explain? | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | because it's not really going to install it to /usr/bin/somad when building | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | but rather $CURDIR/debian/somad/usr/bin/ | 03:44 |
| Fujitsu | Hi LaserJock. | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | or perhaps $CURDIR/debian/tmp/usr/bin/ | 03:45 |
| rexbron_ | LaserJock: ok | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | .install should have usr/bin/ | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | hi Fujitsu | 03:45 |
| rexbron_ | LaserJock: What exactly does the dirs file do? | 03:46 |
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| LaserJock | that's for creating directories that aren't already made | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | for example, if you're adding a .desktop file that isn't in the source | 03:47 |
| rexbron_ | LaserJock: in the file system or debian/tmp? | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | you need to make sure /usr/share/applications/ is there | 03:47 |
| crimsun | the latter. | 03:47 |
| rexbron_ | ok | 03:47 |
| crimsun | or rather, the packaging dir (not necessarily debian/tmp/, could be debian/foobarblah) | 03:47 |
| rexbron_ | crimsun: so somad has files in /usr/bin and /usr/etc/ | 03:48 |
| crimsun | /usr/etc? eww | 03:48 |
| crimsun | run away run away | 03:48 |
| rexbron_ | crimsun: what would its .install file contain | 03:48 |
| rexbron_ | not on my system | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | that is where is would normally install too | 03:49 |
| crimsun | does it use autotools? | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | to | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | yes | 03:49 |
| crimsun | like a ./configure ? | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | yes | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | sorry | 03:49 |
| crimsun | does it honor --confdir? | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | brb | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | I got to go to a movie | 03:49 |
| rexbron_ | will be back in 2 h | 03:49 |
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| yotux | Can someone explain CDBS to me? Sorry an new and would like to help by packaging but have no formal programing experience | 04:18 |
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| LaserJock | yotux: well, CDBS is pretty difficult to explain | 04:21 |
| yotux | i was looking at the doc and i am confused by what looks liek a bash script to me | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | it's basically a large amount of automation of the packaging process | 04:22 |
| yotux | for me I not understanding where debain/rules is | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | if you are new to Debian packaging I wouldn't really recommend CDBS to start with | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | ok, so debian/rules is a Makefile | 04:23 |
| yotux | ok | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | similar to what a lot of programs have | 04:23 |
| yotux | I am new to the whole packing Idea | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | have you ever done something like ./configure , make, sudo make install to install an app from s ource? | 04:24 |
| yotux | yes | 04:24 |
| yotux | I have install source before | 04:24 |
| yotux | where config finds that something is not there that is need to install | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | well, a Makefile is the file that tells make what to do | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | the instructions for building the app | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | it's fairly similar to a shell script | 04:25 |
| yotux | So from what I am understanding is that using CDBS one would need to modify the make file of the source program | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | debian/rules is a Makefile that gives the instructions for building .debs from the source | 04:25 |
| yotux | ok | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | well, hopefully you wouldn't need to modify the program's Makefile | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | WTF!? | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | is sistpoty in bed? :-) | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | yotux: have you seen the Ubuntu Packaging Guide? | 04:27 |
| yotux | yes | 04:27 |
| yotux | that is where I found out about CDBS | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | ah | 04:27 |
| yotux | From what I understood CDBS made things more streamlined | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | did you read through the "from scratch" and "debhelper" sections | 04:28 |
| yotux | yes | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | well, generally, I think most people start at the debhelper stage | 04:28 |
| yotux | ok | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | it's just basically layers of automation | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | and "helping" | 04:28 |
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| LaserJock | CDBS has the most, but on the other hand can be the hardest to understand because it's a bit of "magic" | 04:29 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | Nafallo: heh | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | yotux: is there you found particularly confusing in the packaging guide? | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | *there anything | 04:30 |
| Nafallo | WTF! :-P | 04:30 |
| sistpoty | hey Nafallo and LaserJock | 04:31 |
| Nafallo | sistpoty: go to bed or something :-). I was just impressed that you probably where better than me at that :-) | 04:31 |
| yotux | Well to me I was reading the packing guide and it makes reference to edgy but i am trying to assist with fiesty | 04:31 |
| Nafallo | were :-) | 04:31 |
| sistpoty | Nafallo: hehe | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | yotux: ah, it's hard to write for the future sometimes ;-) | 04:32 |
| sistpoty | I hope I have a better wake/sleep states from next week on | 04:32 |
| yotux | yuppers | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | I think I'll just try to make it release neutral in the future | 04:32 |
| yotux | I understand. Some stuff is different the main idea is that same I believe | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: I don't mind, you have normal hours for my side of the world ;-) | 04:33 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 04:33 |
| yotux | if you are the one that wrote it thank you for all of your hard work | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | your welcome, I hope it helped | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | it's sort of a community project | 04:34 |
| yotux | it does, not being a programmer doesn't help me I don;t think. i just feel that i use this great software that everyone help with so i need to give back to the community | 04:34 |
| crimsun | we should promote sistpoty to deity status, too. | 04:34 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: I'm not worthy | 04:35 |
| crimsun | too bad, you're a deity now | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | yotux: well, I'll let you in on a little secret. Most of use are programmers either ;-) | 04:35 |
| sistpoty | damn | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: it doesn't help | 04:35 |
| somerville32 | How does one upload to multiverse? | 04:35 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | yotux: aren't rather | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | somerville32: same as Universe | 04:35 |
| sistpoty | somerville32: same procedure as for universre | 04:35 |
| yotux | I figure it out | 04:35 |
| Nafallo | I shouldn't say anything about sistpoty... he and I are in the same TZ ;-) | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | yotux: I'm a chemist, for instance | 04:35 |
| yotux | ok sorry i guess I am a bigger newbie than i realized after all | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | nah | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | you just learn as you go | 04:36 |
| yotux | yes I am trying. i start college this week for computer science | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | yotux: I was in the same position as you when I first got started | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | well, there you go. You're already ahead of me | 04:38 |
| yotux | I wish to a degree that I was forced to use the command line more. | 04:38 |
| yotux | I find that one can learn a lot from using the command line instead of GUI tools | 04:38 |
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| crimsun | as long as one doesn't get caught up in the semantics of one at the expense of the other | 04:40 |
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| crimsun | wow, um, if I can't configure pulseaudio, I don't see how others are going to find this straightforward... | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | uh oh | 05:53 |
| Fujitsu | Uh oh. | 05:53 |
| chillywilly | when you install just the base system w/ no gui (like when you type 'server' at the command line) is there a meta package/task that is installed? | 05:54 |
| chillywilly | erm, at the installer prompt I mean not the command line | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 05:54 |
| crimsun | sort of. at least ubuntu-minimal should be installed. | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | there are also a couple of tasks | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | DNS server and LAMP I think | 05:55 |
| chillywilly | that's from the server install disks, right? | 05:56 |
| chillywilly | why doesn't ubuntu minimal have a kernel in there? | 05:56 |
| Toadstool | heya everybody | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | chillywilly: you should check the seeds | 05:57 |
| chillywilly | I don't know what those are :) | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | chillywilly: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.feisty | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | they are the files that tells what goes on the cd and meta packages | 06:00 |
| chillywilly | ok | 06:00 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: and tasks? | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | tasks are what are used by tasksel | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | sort of like metapackages, but different | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:01 |
| chillywilly | are you supposed to be able to check that our with bazaar? | 06:01 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: yea. but does the seeds generate them? :-) | 06:01 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: yes | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | Nafallo: no | 06:02 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: oh | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | at least I don't think so | 06:02 |
| Fujitsu | No. | 06:02 |
| Fujitsu | The tasks are defined by Task headers in packages. | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | well, they can also be shipped separately | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | I think, at least. | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | Probably. | 06:03 |
| Nafallo | let's find out :-) | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | but I believe the Ubuntu ones are done via the .debs | 06:04 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: apt-cache show believes you :-) | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | the archive guys mess around with the binaries as far as I can tell for the -live | 06:04 |
| jdong | so, any good explanations why Java's EULA states "You acknowledge that Licensed Software is not designed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility."? | 06:04 |
| Nafallo | ehhr | 06:04 |
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: apt-cache show believes you :-) | 06:05 |
| chillywilly | anyone every look at conary package manager or rPath Linux? | 06:05 |
| chillywilly | ever* | 06:05 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: ozamosi :-) | 06:05 |
| chillywilly | um, ok | 06:05 |
| chillywilly | is that a developer/person? | 06:06 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: a nick :-) | 06:07 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: was the contactperson for my loco before :-) | 06:07 |
| chillywilly | I see blogs posts by her | 06:07 |
| crimsun | jdong: yes, because by default it's not RT-capable | 06:07 |
| chillywilly | about conary, etc. | 06:08 |
| jdong | crimsun: would that be enough to warrant that warning? | 06:08 |
| crimsun | jdong: yes | 06:08 |
| jdong | interesting | 06:08 |
| jdong | crimsun: and why would StarOffice need to be RT-capable? | 06:08 |
| jdong | (controlling reactors from spreadsheet macros?) | 06:09 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: no. you don't. you might see blogposts by him though :-) | 06:09 |
| chillywilly | um I thought I saw that nick in ubuntu women or some such thing | 06:10 |
| chillywilly | a bazaar branch | 06:10 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: he's the admin for them... | 06:10 |
| chillywilly | ubuntu-women.org | 06:10 |
| chillywilly | ok | 06:10 |
| chillywilly | guess I shouldn't assume then ;) | 06:11 |
| chillywilly | anyway, a conary-based ubuntu/debian would be an interesting thing ;P | 06:11 |
| crimsun | jdong: it needs to be RT-capable? | 06:11 |
| jdong | crimsun: it's kind of silly for a word processor to carry a warning about use in nuclear facilities | 06:12 |
| jdong | I can kind of understand why a programming language/ runtime should need it | 06:12 |
| crimsun | I'm sure it's to cover someone's arse. | 06:12 |
| jdong | :D | 06:13 |
| somerville32 | jdong: What word processor has that warning? | 06:13 |
| jdong | somerville32: Sun StarOffice | 06:13 |
| jdong | somerville32: it seems like Sun especially likes to stamp that warning all over its products | 06:13 |
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| somerville32 | jdong: Too bad it didn't make it into this year's weird labels and warnings awards | 06:14 |
| jdong | somerville32: wtf there's a contest for it? | 06:14 |
| somerville32 | jdong: Do you not read slashdot? | 06:15 |
| jdong | somerville32: haven't read it for two days | 06:15 |
| jdong | kinda been busy | 06:15 |
| somerville32 | You miss so much when you don't read slashdot | 06:15 |
| jdong | somerville32: I have a really cheap sweater that on the washing directions tab says "OR GIVE IT TO YOUR WIFE" | 06:15 |
| jdong | that probably would've won something :) | 06:15 |
| somerville32 | <g> | 06:15 |
| somerville32 | The winner was (paraphrased) "Don't put kids inside while running" on a dryer or something | 06:16 |
| jdong | lol | 06:16 |
| Nafallo | jdong: damn it! have you put an image of that online? | 06:16 |
| jdong | in a twisted kind of way, that actually makes some sense | 06:16 |
| jdong | Nafallo: no, I will if I get entertained enough | 06:16 |
| jdong | Nafallo: google... ten bucks someone with the same shirt posted it already? | 06:17 |
| somerville32 | jdong: Runner up was "Don't dry your cellphone out in microwave oven" | 06:17 |
| jdong | some of them IMO are designed to be funny | 06:17 |
| Nafallo | jdong: hehe. thought it was you. I saw that image getting linked from a channel on another net 2-3 days ago :-) | 06:17 |
| jdong | like there was this elevator sign I saw last month in China that shows a stick-figure banging its head on the sign | 06:17 |
| chillywilly | weird, I did a apt-get install bazaar and the only binaries installed are baz and bazaar-gpg-check | 06:18 |
| jdong | worse, there's a highway clearance sign on a bridge close to where I live that dangles like 3 feet lower than the clearance it stated | 06:18 |
| jdong | there was a news story about that | 06:18 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: bzr != bazaar :-P | 06:20 |
| chillywilly | blah ;P | 06:20 |
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| jdong | chillywilly: (1) you want bzr (2) you'd want to get it from bazaar-vcs.org's repos | 06:21 |
| chillywilly | I'm too flippin tired now... :) | 06:22 |
| chillywilly | brain no worky | 06:22 |
| Nafallo | actually bzr != bazaar == bzr :-) | 06:23 |
| chillywilly | so it's not packaged? | 06:23 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: it is | 06:23 |
| chillywilly | installing from source is against ever fiber of my lazy being | 06:24 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: bzr is bazaar-ng (which are often called just bazaar) | 06:24 |
| chillywilly | every* | 06:24 |
| chillywilly | apt-get install motivation | 06:24 |
| chillywilly | ;P | 06:24 |
| chillywilly | oh, sorry | 06:25 |
| chillywilly | so basically I was just trying to get a list of packages that would allow one to build a base ubuntu system | 06:29 |
| ScottK | Anybody up for a REVU? Should be an easy one... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3984 | 06:30 |
| Nafallo | ScottK: sistpoty :-) | 06:30 |
| Nafallo | ScottK: it's only 6:29AM for us ;-) | 06:30 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: let me finish gallery2 security update and then I'll take a look ;) | 06:30 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 06:30 |
| Nafallo | sistpoty: lol. get some sleep man :-) | 06:32 |
| sistpoty | Nafallo: I already did tonight... from 22.00 to about 1.00h *g* | 06:32 |
| sistpoty | but I'm getting tired again, maybe I'll make another coffe | 06:32 |
| sistpoty | +e | 06:32 |
| chillywilly | maybe my good buddy ajmitchie can lend a helping hand ;) | 06:33 |
| chillywilly | wonder wtf he went | 06:33 |
| Nafallo | sistpoty: three hours... dude. that's worse than me that haven't slept :-P | 06:33 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 06:34 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: help me find ajmitch, I lost him | 06:34 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: seen ajmitch | 06:34 |
| somerville32 | ubotu: seen chillywilly | 06:35 |
| ubotu | chillywilly is on IRC right now! | 06:35 |
| somerville32 | ;D | 06:35 |
| === chillywilly slaps somerville32 around some | ||
| chillywilly | hmm, in pm he told me that he was last seen 1d or so ago | 06:35 |
| chillywilly | in here he ignores me | 06:35 |
| sistpoty | ubotu: uptime sistpoty | 06:35 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about uptime sistpoty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:35 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: ajmitch? | 06:35 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ajmitch? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:35 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: seen ajmitch | 06:36 |
| ubotu | I last saw ajmitch (n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch) 1d 1h 48m 15s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) | 06:36 |
| chillywilly | there ya go | 06:36 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: botsnack | 06:36 |
| ubotu | Yum! | 06:36 |
| Nafallo | ubotu: seen Nafallo | 06:36 |
| ubotu | Nafallo is on IRC right now! | 06:36 |
| somerville32 | ubotu: please tell chillywilly botsnack | 06:36 |
| somerville32 | Fine - be picky | 06:36 |
| somerville32 | ubotu: please tell chillywilly about botsnack | 06:37 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: lart somerville32 | 06:37 |
| chillywilly | bummer :) | 06:37 |
| chillywilly | ubotu: help | 06:37 |
| ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 06:37 |
| crimsun | pulseaudio-module-hal loses. Utterly. | 06:38 |
| somerville32 | so.. who won? | 06:38 |
| crimsun | I did after hacking the conffiles. | 06:39 |
| === somerville32 congratulates crimsun. | ||
| crimsun | now, time to figure out wth pulseaudio-module-hal threw a hussy. | 06:40 |
| gpocentek | hello Universe :) | 06:40 |
| crimsun | hi gauvain | 06:40 |
| gpocentek | hi Daniel | 06:40 |
| crimsun | pretty early in the morning for you, no? :) | 06:41 |
| gpocentek | yes, 6:41am | 06:41 |
| crimsun | or have you, too, gone sistpoty timezone? | 06:41 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: I'm still here | 06:41 |
| crimsun | yeah, the sistpoty timezone. | 06:41 |
| crimsun | now available in your local tzconfig | 06:42 |
| gpocentek | I usually wake up at 4am, so it's not that early ;) | 06:42 |
| sistpoty | utc +1, so it's 6.43 | 06:42 |
| sistpoty | hi gpocentek btw. | 06:42 |
| gpocentek | hi sistpoty | 06:42 |
| Toadstool | heya gpocentek | 06:43 |
| sistpoty | grml... perl... grml | 06:44 |
| crimsun | all the EUs! | 06:44 |
| gpocentek | hi Toadstool | 06:44 |
| crimsun | oh wait, Toadstool's still left coast | 06:44 |
| sistpoty | anyone who speaks perl around? | 06:44 |
| Toadstool | crimsun: yep :) | 06:44 |
| crimsun | I hear Steven -loves- Perl. | 06:44 |
| sistpoty | well, I simply need s.th. like turn "find ." into an array of filenames | 06:45 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Are you going to be at the next Xubuntu-devel meeting? | 06:46 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: I'll try | 06:46 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Do you know what happened to Jani? He seems to have disappeared. | 06:46 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: I know that he tries to find/create a job, so he doesn't have much time for Ubuntu | 06:47 |
| crimsun | sistpoty: 00:47 < gxti> chomp(@filenames = `find .`); ? :p | 06:47 |
| Toadstool | heh | 06:47 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: thanks | 06:47 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, What are we going to do with Xubuntu? lol | 06:48 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: hum, make it work nicely ? :) | 06:48 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Wee :) | 06:48 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Feisty is looking nice so far. | 06:48 |
| crimsun | I suggest replacing moz-tbird with evolution. Wee! | 06:49 |
| gpocentek | yes, and yesterday commits in Xfce svn look nice | 06:49 |
| gpocentek | crimsun: and thunar with konqueror | 06:49 |
| crimsun | oooh | 06:49 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, I don't monitor Xfce svn. What went in? | 06:49 |
| Toadstool | uhuh | 06:49 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, crimsun: Maybe replace gxine with Amarok? | 06:49 |
| crimsun | wine+iTunes kthx | 06:49 |
| Nafallo | gnight | 06:49 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: libexo now handles the mountings | 06:50 |
| Toadstool | what about bmpx ? :) | 06:50 |
| crimsun | Nafallo: 'night | 06:50 |
| Toadstool | Nafallo: g'night | 06:50 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: and Thunar uses this of course | 06:50 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, What was it using before? | 06:50 |
| crimsun | mm, nice wrt exo | 06:50 |
| gpocentek | Thunar had its own code for this IIRC | 06:51 |
| === gpocentek hopes a stable Xfce release will happen this month | ||
| === Toadstool is getting a lil' tipsy with all this wine from Temecula | ||
| somerville32 | gpocentek, me too :] | 06:53 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, My SRU for mousepad is almost ready. I just need to remove a few things from the patch and cjwatson said he would approve it. | 06:53 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: yep I've seen this | 06:53 |
| === somerville32 is proud of himself. | ||
| gpocentek | :) | 06:54 |
| somerville32 | My SRU for curl got approved too and is already uploaded | 06:54 |
| === somerville32 flexes. | ||
| crimsun | did I upload that one? | 06:54 |
| === somerville32 nods. | ||
| sistpoty | oh, nice... I tricked the gallery2 perl-script, that updates some weird checksum files and needs CVS entries for this into spitting out a file with the oneliner :) | 06:56 |
| crimsun | yeah, a two-line diff | 06:56 |
| crimsun | impressive :) | 06:56 |
| sistpoty | it is :) | 06:57 |
| === somerville32 thinks about packaging a simple python application | ||
| ScottK | Any application in particular? | 07:00 |
| crimsun | pyneighborhood? | 07:00 |
| === somerville32 cringes. | ||
| somerville32 | I dunno if pyneighborhood even works right - why waste time packaging it? | 07:02 |
| somerville32 | No one has reported being able to get it to work | 07:02 |
| somerville32 | If there is application I want to package but they don't offer it in a tarball, should I just tarball it? | 07:03 |
| somerville32 | (ie. they just give the one file) | 07:03 |
| crimsun | wow. No, I think you're better off waiting a tick, then. | 07:03 |
| somerville32 | How long is a 'tick'? :] | 07:04 |
| Toadstool | enough time to package something else properly? ;) | 07:07 |
| ScottK | I was thinking about doing this one, but it's a little beyond me yet: http://www.tummy.com/Community/software/tumgreyspf/ | 07:09 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Do you remember the discussion about the notification daemon? | 07:09 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: not really | 07:09 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Do we plan to ship it in Feisty? xfce-goodies has already stripped it of gnome stuff | 07:10 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: I tested it, it never worked for me | 07:10 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Could we do something with notification-daemon? | 07:15 |
| somerville32 | I don't think we ship anything like it, do we? | 07:16 |
| gpocentek | we dont, but do we really need this ? | 07:16 |
| gpocentek | hum, wait | 07:16 |
| gpocentek | no, we don't ship it | 07:17 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Is there anyway to see the reverse dependencies of notification-daemon? | 07:17 |
| gpocentek | apt-cache rdepends <package> | 07:18 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Would it be possible to de-gnomify update-notifier or code our own applet? | 07:18 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, I'm looking through the notification-daemon dependencies and it doesn't appear it pulls anything in that xubuntu-desktop doesn't already (though I only took a look at the most likely ones not to) | 07:21 |
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| gpocentek | somerville32: writting our own code would just be duplicating things, I'm not found of it | 07:22 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, I agree. | 07:22 |
| gpocentek | and de-gnomifying it is something that needs to be discuss with the desktop team | 07:22 |
| === Toadstool summons seb128 | ||
| === somerville32 gets salt and makes a circle around himself. | ||
| Toadstool | :) | 07:24 |
| === Hobbsee summons the mystery person | ||
| Hobbsee | Toadstool: i think he's still on holidays... | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:24 |
| Toadstool | hehe | 07:24 |
| Toadstool | hey Hobbsee | 07:24 |
| Toadstool | how is it going? | 07:24 |
| jdong | fu342jfeg | 07:25 |
| jdong | AAH | 07:25 |
| Toadstool | uhuh | 07:25 |
| jdong | everyone, pretend you did not see that | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | hey Toadstool good, just got home from work :) | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: why, what's it for? | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt appear to be his nickserv password | 07:26 |
| Toadstool | Hobbsee: work?! you actually work in Australia? I'm impressed :) | 07:26 |
| === Toadstool runs | ||
| jdong | hobbsee: I have absolutely no clue. it is certainly not a password to a gksu dialog that disappeared on me. | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | Toadstool: hahaha, yes. | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | Toadstool: well, i get paid from it, so i suppose it counts as work | 07:26 |
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| Toadstool | hehe | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: heh | 07:26 |
| === jdong pulls up pwgen and shops for a new password | ||
| Hobbsee | hah | 07:28 |
| Toadstool | too late! | 07:28 |
| Toadstool | mwahaha | 07:29 |
| somerville32 | Can someone tell me if libcario2 is in the xubuntu-desktop task? | 07:30 |
| Hobbsee | rdepends libcario2 | 07:30 |
| Toadstool | gosh, when I have time to spend on #u-motu, I'm kind of drunk... I feel so useless :p | 07:30 |
| Hobbsee | add apt-cache in front | 07:30 |
| === Toadstool hides | ||
| Hobbsee | Toadstool: heh, be useful :P | 07:30 |
| somerville32 | Hobbsee, apt-cache show libcario2 | 07:31 |
| somerville32 | W: Unable to locate package libcario2 | 07:31 |
| somerville32 | E: No packages found | 07:31 |
| Toadstool | Hobbsee: tell that to 1) my manager 2) my girlfriend :) | 07:31 |
| Toadstool | s/tell/say/ | 07:32 |
| === Hobbsee thwacks somerville32 with a rubber mallet | ||
| Hobbsee | sarah@sarah:~$ rdepends libcairo2 | grep xubuntu | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | xubuntu-system-tools | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | Toadstool: it's better to listen to your girlfriend. and managers suck like that | 07:32 |
| somerville32 | apt-cache rdepends libcario2 | 07:33 |
| somerville32 | W: Unable to locate package libcario2 | 07:33 |
| Toadstool | heh | 07:33 |
| === Hobbsee hands somerville32 a dictionary, and tells him to look up "cairo" | ||
| somerville32 | haha! | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 07:33 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, If we added notification-daemon to the seeds then we'd only pull in libsexy2 and libwnck18 :) | 07:34 |
| somerville32 | crimsun: What do you think? | 07:37 |
| somerville32 | Hobbsee, Tell them that people want nice pop-up notifications on their desktop ;] | 07:38 |
| === gpocentek doesn't want notifications | ||
| Hobbsee | somerville32: who's "them"? | 07:38 |
| somerville32 | Hobbsee, gpocentek | 07:38 |
| somerville32 | and crimsun | 07:39 |
| somerville32 | :] | 07:39 |
| Toadstool | gpocentek: yeah, notifications are evil :) | 07:39 |
| somerville32 | lol | 07:39 |
| somerville32 | It told me that my /boot partition was full | 07:39 |
| somerville32 | It is useful ;] | 07:39 |
| gpocentek | but notification-daemon itself doesn't do that alone | 07:40 |
| somerville32 | Right | 07:40 |
| gpocentek | it's only usefull if we have software which uses it | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | somerville32: i'll respect gpocentek's decisions on xubuntu, as he runs it all the time | 07:40 |
| somerville32 | Hobbsee, I run Xubuntu all the time too : P | 07:40 |
| Toadstool | :) | 07:40 |
| Toadstool | gpocentek: by the way, a friend of mine installed edgy's xubuntu a couple of days ago, I told him to bug you in case something goes wrong... hope you don't mind :p | 07:41 |
| === Toadstool hides | ||
| somerville32 | I wonder what used the notification-daemon to tell me /boot was full | 07:42 |
| === somerville32 ponders. | ||
| gpocentek | Toadstool: no problem ;) | 07:43 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Is there anything specific that I could help with? | 07:46 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: for pyspf: why the alternatives? is spfquery supplied by another package as well? | 07:47 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 07:48 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: ah, k | 07:48 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: well, there's a lot to do for documentationn... | 07:49 |
| ScottK | There is a PERL one and a C one. | 07:49 |
| sistpoty | nice | 07:49 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, lol :P | 07:49 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: what do you want to get involved in ? | 07:49 |
| gpocentek | development ? | 07:49 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Yes. | 07:49 |
| somerville32 | :) | 07:49 |
| gpocentek | you can fix bugs :) | 07:49 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: is the orig-tarball bit identical to the upstream one? (once again to lazy to look for myself) | 07:50 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, Sure thing. | 07:51 |
| ScottK | Yes. Just renamed it. | 07:51 |
| nixternal | jdong: don't feel bad for the password thing, i did it a few months ago logging into the uni's server, everyone in here got the username and password due to a buggy konsole on a live cd | 07:51 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: fine... looks good | 07:51 |
| ScottK | Great. | 07:51 |
| jdong | nixternal: that makes me feel better :) | 07:51 |
| jdong | I still need to learn the whole look before you type thing | 07:51 |
| nixternal | ya, and someone used it to and logged in :) | 07:51 |
| ScottK | Second time around is easier. | 07:52 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: let me take another small look, and if no problems come up, I'll upload it | 07:52 |
| ScottK | Thanks. I'll be AFK for a while, so if there are more questions, I'll answer when i get back. | 07:52 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, For feisty+1, could we lay out some sort of roadmap? | 07:53 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: sure, that would help | 07:55 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: all nice, uploading. | 07:55 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, sabdfl usually sets some "goals" for each release. Do the sister projects (ie. us) align ourselves with these goals where applicable? | 07:55 |
| somerville32 | Or do we just do our own thing? | 07:56 |
| gpocentek | somerville32: we try to follow the ideas | 07:56 |
| gpocentek | but I'm not sure that we can have the same goals | 07:57 |
| === somerville32 nods. | ||
| gpocentek | desktop effects for instace doesn't really fit the Xubuntu idea | 07:57 |
| sistpoty | ok, and now I finally go to bed | 07:57 |
| sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 07:57 |
| Laser_away | cya sistpoty | 07:57 |
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| LaserJock | gpocentek and somerville32: does xfce have many related packages in Universe? | 08:03 |
| gpocentek | LaserJock: almost everything is in main, except a few panel plugins | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | darn, I need a "Icons for dummies" book or something. I suck at art :/ | 08:06 |
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| siretart | slomo: yes, I already did a couple of uploads, 2 of them are currently in NEW | 08:25 |
| siretart | shawarma: yes, we do :) | 08:26 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: join the "we suck at art" user's group :) | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: but I'm determined to make a couple icons | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 08:33 |
| nixternal | i have tried | 08:33 |
| nixternal | i even follwed some gimp and inkscape tutorials | 08:33 |
| Amaranth | i made the original alacarte icon | 08:33 |
| nixternal | the coolest thing i have done with inkscape is http://www.nixternal.com | 08:34 |
| Amaranth | i stole two icons from the guy that used to do ubuntu's icon set | 08:34 |
| nixternal | and that was by accident | 08:34 |
| Amaranth | put them into one :) | 08:34 |
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| LaserJock | well, I need to come up with at least 2 or 3 | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | chemistry ones | 08:39 |
| crimsun_ | Feisty is now pulseaudio-capable. | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | sweet | 08:40 |
| crimsun_ | this is slick. | 08:40 |
| crimsun_ | per-application volumes | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | I hardly ever use sound, but I know some people do :-) | 08:41 |
| crimsun_ | ability to migrate applications across audiosinks and mixers | 08:41 |
| crimsun_ | (and audiosources) | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that seems cool | 08:43 |
| crimsun_ | it's awesome | 08:43 |
| crimsun_ | it does way more, of course, but this is just a taste | 08:43 |
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| somerville32 | Ugh oh! | 09:28 |
| somerville32 | : ( | 09:28 |
| somerville32 | I upload with cody-somerville@ubuntu.com | 09:29 |
| somerville32 | but I login with cody.somerville@gmail.com | 09:29 |
| somerville32 | So I can't comment on my own uploads. | 09:29 |
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| tepsipakki | somerville32: been there.. don't remember how I resolved it, though | 09:40 |
| somerville32 | lol | 09:40 |
| tepsipakki | maybe contact a REVU admin to add that address to the key? | 09:41 |
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| somerville32 | How do I use patch again? lol | 09:46 |
| somerville32 | I generated it with diff -Nur | 09:47 |
| tepsipakki | man patch | 09:47 |
| tepsipakki | patch -px < patch.diff | 09:47 |
| tepsipakki | use appropriate number for x | 09:47 |
| somerville32 | what are the different #'s for? | 09:47 |
| tepsipakki | try and see :) | 09:48 |
| somerville32 | @now atlantic | 09:48 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Canada/Atlantic: January 07 2007, 04:48:57 | 09:48 |
| === somerville32 gives tepsipakki puppy dog eyes. | ||
| tepsipakki | really, man patch | 09:49 |
| tepsipakki | it's too much to paste here | 09:49 |
| tepsipakki | basically, it strips stuff from the file-paths | 09:50 |
| somerville32 | tepsipakki, How do I apply it to a directory? | 09:58 |
| tepsipakki | 10:47 < tepsipakki> patch -px < patch.diff | 09:58 |
| tepsipakki | :) | 09:59 |
| somerville32 | Lets say I'm not in the directory | 09:59 |
| somerville32 | like, I want to package blah/src/ | 09:59 |
| tepsipakki | use -p0 | 09:59 |
| tepsipakki | if you are in the parent | 10:00 |
| tepsipakki | ie. in the path where you ran diff | 10:00 |
| tepsipakki | hmm, -p1 that is | 10:00 |
| tepsipakki | -p0 uses full paths, -p1 strips the first slash | 10:01 |
| tepsipakki | (full paths related to the dir where diff was run) | 10:01 |
| somerville32 | k, thanks | 10:06 |
| somerville32 | Is anyone here good at editing patches by hand? | 10:08 |
| Zic_ | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt | 10:12 |
| Zic_ | it's ... | 10:12 |
| Zic_ | He control the hardware now, and He decrease its quality | 10:13 |
| Zic_ | standing ovation to Vista :> | 10:13 |
| siretart | somerville32: emacs offers a great mode for editing patches | 10:20 |
| somerville32 | siretart: thanks | 10:20 |
| siretart | somerville32: it's call 'diff mode' :) | 10:20 |
| somerville32 | siretart: Can you fix a problem for me? | 10:20 |
| somerville32 | siretart: I login with cody.somerville@gmail.com | 10:20 |
| somerville32 | I upload with cody-somerville@ubuntu.com | 10:20 |
| somerville32 | So I can't comment on my own uploads | 10:20 |
| siretart | oh. hmm | 10:21 |
| siretart | somerville32: can't you login with cody-somerville@ubuntu.com? | 10:22 |
| somerville32 | I tried | 10:22 |
| siretart | I'm syncing your passwords, okay? | 10:24 |
| somerville32 | ok | 10:24 |
| siretart | somerville32: pw synced, try again :) | 10:25 |
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| somerville32 | siretart: http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=cody-somerville@ubuntu.com | 10:27 |
| somerville32 | shows nothing | 10:27 |
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| siretart | somerville32: yes, try to login with your old password for the @gmail.com adress | 10:32 |
| siretart | somerville32: lostpw.py is confused by the keyid | 10:32 |
| somerville32 | Logged in as cody-somerville@ubuntu.com | 10:33 |
| siretart | :) | 10:34 |
| Fujitsu | Anybody here good at debugging instances of /etc/X11/Xsession causing the executing shell to terminate when DISPLAY is set to that of a Xvnc instance compiled in Edgy, when the Dapper-compiled (identical source) version running on Edgy works fine? | 10:35 |
| Fujitsu | (rather obscure, I know :P) | 10:35 |
| siretart | oh darn, I just filed an ITP to debian, only to notice that keeypassx has already been uploaded to edgy :/ | 10:37 |
| Fujitsu | keepassx, you mean? | 10:38 |
| siretart | yes | 10:38 |
| Fujitsu | Hrm, I didn't realise that was only in Ubuntu... I use it daily at work. | 10:38 |
| siretart | I just packaged it for debian. hrmpf | 10:38 |
| tepsipakki | "Cross Plateform Password Manager" :) | 10:53 |
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| Amaranth | crimsun: The -3 and -4 kernels still don't fix my sound. Do you want new dumps of /proc/asound/card0/codec#0? | 11:50 |
| crimsun__ | of -5, yes | 11:50 |
| crimsun__ | and if you haven't attached lspci -nv, please do so. | 11:50 |
| crimsun__ | I'm very busy this week, but I'll try to work in time to look at it | 11:50 |
| Amaranth | alright | 11:51 |
| Amaranth | i didn't know -5 was out :) | 11:51 |
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| luks | hi, is there any way to check what happened to this package (if it was uploaded)? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3657 | 02:29 |
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| geser | luks: the source got already accepted but the binary is sitting in the NEW queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=picard | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | you're just waiting on an archive admin | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | and soyuz to unfreeze | 02:35 |
| cypher1 | hi geser Hobbsee ! | 02:35 |
| geser | Hi cypher1 | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 02:36 |
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| geser | Hobbsee: is it once again freeze time? | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | geser: no | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | hey PriceChild | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | geser: i dont think so | 02:38 |
| luks | geser: oh, i wasn't aware that launchpad has info about the queue. thanks | 02:38 |
| PriceChild | hey hobbsee | 02:38 |
| PriceChild | when's freeze? | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | !schedule | 02:38 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 02:38 |
| PriceChild | ty | 02:39 |
| PriceChild | over a month :) | 02:39 |
| geser | wasn't the archive partly freezed for Herd CD 1? | 02:39 |
| geser | and next week is Herd CD 2 due | 02:40 |
| PriceChild | 6 Herds :O | 02:40 |
| PriceChild | wow | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | geser: doesnt mean taht will happen though. it was on manual for herd 1 | 02:41 |
| cypher1 | Hobbsee, i was working on the genpower merge :) | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | cypher1: yay :) | 02:43 |
| cypher1 | Hobbsee, it has some problems with upstart, sysinitv change | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:44 |
| cypher1 | thanks to geser to pointing it out to me | 02:44 |
| cypher1 | Hobbsee, it needs /usr/include/initreq.h from sysvinit package | 02:45 |
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| Q-FUNK | any Python wizard here? | 03:09 |
| lifeless | for a few seconds | 03:10 |
| lifeless | whatsup | 03:10 |
| Q-FUNK | debian bug#374997 | 03:12 |
| lifeless | ... | 03:13 |
| lifeless | you are aware this is an ubuntu channel ? :) | 03:13 |
| Q-FUNK | yup | 03:14 |
| lifeless | anyhow, I dont have time to chase pointers. | 03:14 |
| lifeless | what is your question | 03:14 |
| Q-FUNK | there's parsing errors for locales that are exception cases. | 03:14 |
| lifeless | exception cases ? | 03:15 |
| lifeless | and parsing what | 03:15 |
| Q-FUNK | form what i can tell, Mithrandir's original code only handles foo_FOO to foo_FOO.UTF-8 | 03:15 |
| Q-FUNK | it has no provision for handling foo_FOO@euro to foo_FOO.UTF-8 | 03:15 |
| Q-FUNK | or for handling foo_FOO.ODDLEGACYENCODING to foo_FOO.UTF-8 | 03:16 |
| lifeless | I'm struggling here. Do you mean 'if LC_LANG=en_AU@euro then python will fail to startup correctly due to site.py having a defect' ? | 03:16 |
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| lifeless | ah well, gnight. note that @euro is not the same as UTF-8 to the best of my knowledge, and treating it as such would be a bug. | 03:19 |
| lifeless | likewise legacy encodings | 03:19 |
| lifeless | we should not crash on startup, but we may not have a valid encoding for the locale the uesr provides. | 03:19 |
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| white | Q-FUNK: why is utf8-migration-tool a native package? | 04:19 |
| Q-FUNK | white: because it is. no upstream, in practice. | 04:19 |
| Q-FUNK | it used to be an ubuntu-specific tool, which is no longer needed at ubuntu. | 04:21 |
| white | Q-FUNK: hmm 4.3.2 was never uploaded to debian, so maybe you want to merge the things? | 04:21 |
| Q-FUNK | 4.3.2 ? | 04:21 |
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| white | a bullshit, 0.4.2 | 04:22 |
| Q-FUNK | yes it was | 04:22 |
| Q-FUNK | it's in incoming now | 04:22 |
| white | ah | 04:22 |
| Q-FUNK | and 0.4.3 is already waiting to supplant it | 04:22 |
| Q-FUNK | pending sponsoring | 04:22 |
| Q-FUNK | or was there another 0.4.2 i'm not aware of? | 04:23 |
| Q-FUNK | e.g. a fork? | 04:23 |
| white | who did the last upload? | 04:23 |
| white | no i just didn't check incoming, you are right | 04:23 |
| Q-FUNK | http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/u/utf8-migration-tool/ | 04:25 |
| Q-FUNK | bubulle did. | 04:27 |
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| ryanakca | hmm... is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool used by anybody? | 05:04 |
| markvandenborre | I can't find a qemulator package for feisty | 05:13 |
| markvandenborre | should I file a wishlist bug about it? or is there a more appopriate way to ask? | 05:14 |
| Q-FUNK | qemu | 05:16 |
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| bhale | can anyone give me a link for the nvidia-crazy-colors problem? | 05:33 |
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| cyberix | Why is festalon package in multiverse? | 05:47 |
| cyberix | The copyright file says it is GPL | 05:47 |
| cyberix | and it depends only on libc6 | 05:48 |
| rexbron | cyberix: look into what it does | 05:48 |
| rexbron | cyberix: It may have patent issues | 05:48 |
| cyberix | The Universe is full of emulators. | 05:50 |
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| rexbron | cyberix: I have encountered this problem before, you are going to have to do the research, but feel free to ask more questions or contact the ubuntu package maintainer | 05:50 |
| cyberix | It is in Debian contrib. Does this mean it is lacking a Debian developer? | 05:52 |
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| white | cyberix: the fact that the package is in contrib does not have anything to do with the maintainer, e.g. if it is a developer or not | 05:53 |
| TLE | Hay anyone got time for a question on dependency policy ? | 05:53 |
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| white | cyberix: it basically means that the package itself is free, but needs non-free stuff | 05:53 |
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| TLE | The question is. If a package aaa depends on a certain version of another package bbbb. Then if the version of bbb that is in the repo's meet the requirement of package aaa, is it then customary to exclude the versionnumber dependency in package aaa ? | 05:56 |
| TLE | and just have a general package dependency without a versionnumber ? | 05:56 |
| TLE | Let me know if I don't make sense | 05:56 |
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| bhale | i think what you asked was, if package a depends on package b version x, and package b version x happens to be in the ubuntu archive, do you depends on package b, leaving out the detail of x? | 05:59 |
| bhale | the answer is no | 05:59 |
| TLE | yeah exactly leaving out the detail of version x in a's dependensies. | 06:01 |
| Q-FUNK | cyberix: contrib is an extra distinction on the freeness of a package. the package itself could go in main (it is free code), but it is designed to interact with a non-free package. | 06:02 |
| bhale | TLE: don't do that | 06:02 |
| white | TLE: normally a >= can be used to indicate that the package needs a specific version and all future ones (if that is possible) | 06:02 |
| Q-FUNK | cyberix: so a free package designed to interact with a non-free package goes into contrib, on the debian side. | 06:03 |
| TLE | bhale: yeah ok, that is what I meant. IT IS NOT ok to leave out the detail, I was just reiterating what you said to make sure I understood it right | 06:03 |
| bhale | yes | 06:03 |
| bhale | you did. | 06:03 |
| Q-FUNK | cyberix: ubuntu doesn't have contrib, though. | 06:03 |
| cyberix | Q-FUNK: Festalon is in contrib and depends only on GNU C Library. :-/ | 06:03 |
| Q-FUNK | cyberix: it's not just a question of dependencies. | 06:04 |
| rexbron | crimsun__: are you up? | 06:04 |
| rexbron | crimsun: are you up? | 06:05 |
| Q-FUNK | in your particular case, this is an emulator for a commercial, closed-source product. | 06:05 |
| TLE | bhale: ok. it is for a bug I'm following. Now this affects the particular package in both dapper and edgy, is it serious enough to warrant a update ? | 06:05 |
| Q-FUNK | or well, it emulates its sound engine. | 06:06 |
| rexbron | Should a *-dev package depend on the runtime library? | 06:06 |
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| bhale | rexbron: yes. | 06:08 |
| rexbron | bhale: k thanks | 06:08 |
| bhale | TLE: probably not, SRU proceedures mostly involve data loss or regressions | 06:08 |
| TLE | ok thanks for your time | 06:09 |
| bhale | no problem | 06:09 |
| guyjohnston | hi, i asked a question a few days ago about why the game tremulous is in multiverse rather than universe. does anyone know if this has been found out? | 06:09 |
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| Adri2000 | guyjohnston: because http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/t/tremulous/tremulous_1.1.0-3/copyright | 06:18 |
| guyjohnston | which part of that means it's in multiverse? | 06:23 |
| guyjohnston | aren't those all free licences? | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | looks like the media isnt | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | infact it isnt mentioned what lic its under at all , strange that made it in | 06:24 |
| guyjohnston | it is in the 'copyright' file for the 'tremulous-data' package | 06:25 |
| guyjohnston | its the creative commons attribution-sharealike | 06:25 |
| guyjohnston | i'd have thougt that counts as a free licence | 06:26 |
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| rexbron | hey | 08:13 |
| rexbron | I am trying to build a package and it requiures the python2.3 header files, | 08:14 |
| rexbron | where can I get them for ubuntu? | 08:14 |
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| Adri2000 | rexbron: if you are packaging a python program you need to take a look at the debian python policy | 08:22 |
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| rexbron | Adri2000: it is a binary module I am not sure if that counts as a program | 08:25 |
| Adri2000 | a kernel module? | 08:27 |
| rexbron | Adri2000: NO | 08:29 |
| rexbron | opps | 08:29 |
| rexbron | sorry | 08:29 |
| rexbron | capslock | 08:29 |
| rexbron | Adri2000: it is a python module | 08:29 |
| Adri2000 | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html ? | 08:32 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | Hi MOTU | 08:54 |
| MehdiHassanpour | beside ttf-freefarsi that I've asked to be added in Feisty universe, I wanted to ask for aspell-hy too | 08:56 |
| MehdiHassanpour | they are both in Debian unstable now | 08:56 |
| fdoving | MehdiHassanpour: please make bug reports in launchpad for both. i belive subscribing the group 'ubuntu-universe-sponsors' to the bugreport will speed things up. | 09:03 |
| MehdiHassanpour | should I ask those packages in ubuntu-universe-sponsors ? | 09:04 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | there is now such list @ lists.ubuntu.com | 09:07 |
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| fdoving | MehdiHassanpour: i mean, you should make bugreports at http://bugs.ubuntu.com, then you should subscribe the launchpad-group ubuntu-universe-sponsors ( https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors ). They are the ones handling these cases, iirc. | 09:16 |
| MehdiHassanpour | fdoving: ok thanks | 09:18 |
| MehdiHassanpour | :) | 09:18 |
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| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:48 |
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| LaserJock | hehe | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | dsl is down at home | 10:48 |
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| nixternal | new upstream multiverse packages, can they be put on revu as well, or is there a different procedure? | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | same, although I don't know if I'd use REVU for a new upstream version | 11:06 |
| nixternal | how should i go about it? | 11:06 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: if there isn't a big difference debdiff it | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | if there is lot of changes put the whole source packages somewhere | 11:10 |
| nixternal | k | 11:11 |
| nixternal | debdiff == 240k | 11:13 |
| Lutin | is there a motureviewer around that could have a look to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3981 ? | 11:16 |
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| joejaxx | Hello All :) | 11:41 |
| Sp4rKy | hi joejaxx :) | 11:42 |
| joejaxx | :) | 11:43 |
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