=== ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck__ [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Simon80 [n=Simon80@rn-v1n5b15.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@48.198-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === acacs [n=acacs@201.32.148.63] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-4956.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121d18.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@pool-71-115-60-210.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] crimsun: how does one decide what binaries will be created from the source package? [02:58] sorry, that question's a bit vague [02:59] are you asking how to name the binary packages (debian/control)? [02:59] kind of look at http://www.somasuite.org/somad.php [02:59] everything there is in the same source package [02:59] or are you asking how to place files in certain binary packages (debian/*.install)? [02:59] both === bluefoxicy blinks [03:00] so for example (from above link): [03:00] gnome terminal misspells "Colors" in the preferences dialog vo.ov [03:01] one would have a dh_install move all the somad files into the proper dir [03:01] or you could just enumerate the files in debian/somad.install [03:02] crimsun: I think I need a hand holding [03:02] ok, I pointed you to quodlibet's source package [03:02] take a look in debian/*.install [03:02] ok [03:02] note how each foo.install explicitly lists which files belong to binary package 'foo' [03:02] getting the source now [03:03] crimsun: ok [03:04] that is where they would normally be make install'd to? [03:04] yes [03:04] ok, makes sense [03:05] bluefoxicy, how does it spell it? [03:05] as for libsoma, you should look at http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/ [03:06] crimsun: how does one decide how to name (and therefore split) the differnt packages? [03:06] Fujitsu: "Colour" [03:06] bluefoxicy: that is the canadian and british spelling [03:06] rexbron: that's pretty much up to the packager [03:06] crimsun: sugestions [03:06] rexbron: well I'm not canadian or british [03:06] rexbron: (except for the libraries, which I gave you a pointer to) [03:08] bluefoxicy, that is the spelling literally everywhere except the US. [03:08] (that speaks English, that is) === rpereira [n=rpereira@20158188053.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] Fujitsu: well, I'm in the US o.o [03:10] crimsun: there is so much to do for this package [03:10] crimsun: this is the breakdown I am thinking of [03:11] somad, libsoma0, libsoma0-dev, somacheck, somaclient, somaconfig, soma-doc, phpsoma, pysoma [03:11] this is based off of looking at the src [03:12] rexbron, it would be libsoma-dev. [03:13] ya [03:13] crimsun: now how does one know where each of the files that make up the packages would normally be installed to? [03:17] !udb [03:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about udb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:17] !udeb [03:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about udeb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:19] crimsun: now how does one know where each of the files that make up the packages would normally be installed to? [03:22] rexbron: look at an installed package or a deb, or a --prefixed make install [03:23] ok === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc_ [n=schultmc@c-68-58-138-203.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] crimsun: [03:37] crimsun: I did a prefixed install [03:38] to $HOME/foo, I hope [03:38] crimsun: and know what is installed where [03:38] yes [03:38] ok, now follow the instructions in dh_install [03:38] dh_install(1), rather === superm1__ [n=superm1@12-226-103-197.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1__ is now known as superm1 [03:41] crimsun: ok so for somad [03:41] it installs a binary to usr/bin/ with the name somad === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] therefore somad.install contains /usr/bin/somad [03:43] I don't think you want the first / on that [03:43] LaserJock: could you explain? [03:44] because it's not really going to install it to /usr/bin/somad when building [03:44] but rather $CURDIR/debian/somad/usr/bin/ [03:44] Hi LaserJock. [03:45] or perhaps $CURDIR/debian/tmp/usr/bin/ [03:45] LaserJock: ok [03:45] .install should have usr/bin/ [03:45] hi Fujitsu [03:46] LaserJock: What exactly does the dirs file do? === `6og [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] that's for creating directories that aren't already made [03:47] for example, if you're adding a .desktop file that isn't in the source [03:47] LaserJock: in the file system or debian/tmp? [03:47] you need to make sure /usr/share/applications/ is there [03:47] the latter. [03:47] ok [03:47] or rather, the packaging dir (not necessarily debian/tmp/, could be debian/foobarblah) [03:48] crimsun: so somad has files in /usr/bin and /usr/etc/ [03:48] /usr/etc? eww [03:48] run away run away [03:48] crimsun: what would its .install file contain [03:49] not on my system [03:49] that is where is would normally install too [03:49] does it use autotools? [03:49] to [03:49] yes [03:49] like a ./configure ? [03:49] yes [03:49] sorry [03:49] does it honor --confdir? [03:49] brb [03:49] I got to go to a movie [03:49] will be back in 2 h === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yotux [n=nathan@24-196-132-64.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] Can someone explain CDBS to me? Sorry an new and would like to help by packaging but have no formal programing experience === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] yotux: well, CDBS is pretty difficult to explain [04:22] i was looking at the doc and i am confused by what looks liek a bash script to me [04:22] it's basically a large amount of automation of the packaging process [04:22] for me I not understanding where debain/rules is [04:22] if you are new to Debian packaging I wouldn't really recommend CDBS to start with [04:23] ok, so debian/rules is a Makefile [04:23] ok [04:23] similar to what a lot of programs have [04:23] I am new to the whole packing Idea [04:24] have you ever done something like ./configure , make, sudo make install to install an app from s ource? [04:24] yes [04:24] I have install source before [04:24] where config finds that something is not there that is need to install [04:24] well, a Makefile is the file that tells make what to do [04:25] the instructions for building the app [04:25] it's fairly similar to a shell script [04:25] So from what I am understanding is that using CDBS one would need to modify the make file of the source program [04:25] debian/rules is a Makefile that gives the instructions for building .debs from the source [04:26] ok [04:26] well, hopefully you wouldn't need to modify the program's Makefile [04:26] WTF!? [04:26] is sistpoty in bed? :-) [04:27] yotux: have you seen the Ubuntu Packaging Guide? [04:27] yes [04:27] that is where I found out about CDBS [04:27] ah [04:28] From what I understood CDBS made things more streamlined [04:28] did you read through the "from scratch" and "debhelper" sections [04:28] yes [04:28] well, generally, I think most people start at the debhelper stage [04:28] ok [04:28] it's just basically layers of automation [04:28] and "helping" === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] CDBS has the most, but on the other hand can be the hardest to understand because it's a bit of "magic" === Marsmensch [n=daniel@dslb-084-056-090-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] hi folks [04:29] Nafallo: heh [04:30] yotux: is there you found particularly confusing in the packaging guide? [04:30] *there anything [04:30] WTF! :-P [04:31] hey Nafallo and LaserJock [04:31] sistpoty: go to bed or something :-). I was just impressed that you probably where better than me at that :-) [04:31] Well to me I was reading the packing guide and it makes reference to edgy but i am trying to assist with fiesty [04:31] were :-) [04:31] Nafallo: hehe [04:32] yotux: ah, it's hard to write for the future sometimes ;-) [04:32] I hope I have a better wake/sleep states from next week on [04:32] yuppers [04:32] I think I'll just try to make it release neutral in the future [04:32] I understand. Some stuff is different the main idea is that same I believe [04:33] sistpoty: I don't mind, you have normal hours for my side of the world ;-) [04:33] *g* [04:33] if you are the one that wrote it thank you for all of your hard work [04:33] your welcome, I hope it helped [04:34] it's sort of a community project [04:34] it does, not being a programmer doesn't help me I don;t think. i just feel that i use this great software that everyone help with so i need to give back to the community [04:34] we should promote sistpoty to deity status, too. [04:35] crimsun: I'm not worthy [04:35] too bad, you're a deity now [04:35] yotux: well, I'll let you in on a little secret. Most of use are programmers either ;-) [04:35] damn [04:35] sistpoty: it doesn't help [04:35] How does one upload to multiverse? [04:35] hmm [04:35] yotux: aren't rather [04:35] somerville32: same as Universe [04:35] somerville32: same procedure as for universre [04:35] I figure it out [04:35] I shouldn't say anything about sistpoty... he and I are in the same TZ ;-) [04:35] yotux: I'm a chemist, for instance [04:36] ok sorry i guess I am a bigger newbie than i realized after all [04:36] nah [04:36] you just learn as you go [04:38] yes I am trying. i start college this week for computer science [04:38] yotux: I was in the same position as you when I first got started [04:38] well, there you go. You're already ahead of me [04:38] I wish to a degree that I was forced to use the command line more. [04:38] I find that one can learn a lot from using the command line instead of GUI tools === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-081-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] as long as one doesn't get caught up in the semantics of one at the expense of the other === rexbron_ [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@pool-71-115-60-210.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121d18.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] wow, um, if I can't configure pulseaudio, I don't see how others are going to find this straightforward... [05:53] uh oh [05:53] Uh oh. [05:54] when you install just the base system w/ no gui (like when you type 'server' at the command line) is there a meta package/task that is installed? [05:54] erm, at the installer prompt I mean not the command line [05:54] I think so [05:54] sort of. at least ubuntu-minimal should be installed. [05:55] there are also a couple of tasks [05:55] DNS server and LAMP I think [05:56] that's from the server install disks, right? [05:56] why doesn't ubuntu minimal have a kernel in there? [05:57] heya everybody [05:57] chillywilly: you should check the seeds [05:58] I don't know what those are :) [05:59] chillywilly: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.feisty [06:00] they are the files that tells what goes on the cd and meta packages [06:00] ok [06:00] LaserJock: and tasks? [06:01] tasks are what are used by tasksel [06:01] sort of like metapackages, but different [06:01] ;-) [06:01] are you supposed to be able to check that our with bazaar? [06:01] LaserJock: yea. but does the seeds generate them? :-) [06:01] chillywilly: yes [06:02] Nafallo: no [06:02] LaserJock: oh [06:02] at least I don't think so [06:02] No. [06:02] The tasks are defined by Task headers in packages. [06:03] well, they can also be shipped separately [06:03] I think, at least. [06:03] Probably. [06:03] let's find out :-) [06:04] but I believe the Ubuntu ones are done via the .debs [06:04] LaserJock: apt-cache show believes you :-) [06:04] the archive guys mess around with the binaries as far as I can tell for the -live [06:04] so, any good explanations why Java's EULA states "You acknowledge that Licensed Software is not designed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility."? [06:04] ehhr [06:05] Fujitsu: apt-cache show believes you :-) [06:05] anyone every look at conary package manager or rPath Linux? [06:05] ever* [06:05] chillywilly: ozamosi :-) [06:05] um, ok [06:06] is that a developer/person? [06:07] chillywilly: a nick :-) [06:07] chillywilly: was the contactperson for my loco before :-) [06:07] I see blogs posts by her [06:07] jdong: yes, because by default it's not RT-capable [06:08] about conary, etc. [06:08] crimsun: would that be enough to warrant that warning? [06:08] jdong: yes [06:08] interesting [06:08] crimsun: and why would StarOffice need to be RT-capable? [06:09] (controlling reactors from spreadsheet macros?) [06:09] chillywilly: no. you don't. you might see blogposts by him though :-) [06:10] um I thought I saw that nick in ubuntu women or some such thing [06:10] a bazaar branch [06:10] chillywilly: he's the admin for them... [06:10] ubuntu-women.org [06:10] ok [06:11] guess I shouldn't assume then ;) [06:11] anyway, a conary-based ubuntu/debian would be an interesting thing ;P [06:11] jdong: it needs to be RT-capable? [06:12] crimsun: it's kind of silly for a word processor to carry a warning about use in nuclear facilities [06:12] I can kind of understand why a programming language/ runtime should need it [06:12] I'm sure it's to cover someone's arse. [06:13] :D [06:13] jdong: What word processor has that warning? [06:13] somerville32: Sun StarOffice [06:13] somerville32: it seems like Sun especially likes to stamp that warning all over its products === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-062-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] jdong: Too bad it didn't make it into this year's weird labels and warnings awards [06:14] somerville32: wtf there's a contest for it? [06:15] jdong: Do you not read slashdot? [06:15] somerville32: haven't read it for two days [06:15] kinda been busy [06:15] You miss so much when you don't read slashdot [06:15] somerville32: I have a really cheap sweater that on the washing directions tab says "OR GIVE IT TO YOUR WIFE" [06:15] that probably would've won something :) [06:15] [06:16] The winner was (paraphrased) "Don't put kids inside while running" on a dryer or something [06:16] lol [06:16] jdong: damn it! have you put an image of that online? [06:16] in a twisted kind of way, that actually makes some sense [06:16] Nafallo: no, I will if I get entertained enough [06:17] Nafallo: google... ten bucks someone with the same shirt posted it already? [06:17] jdong: Runner up was "Don't dry your cellphone out in microwave oven" [06:17] some of them IMO are designed to be funny [06:17] jdong: hehe. thought it was you. I saw that image getting linked from a channel on another net 2-3 days ago :-) [06:17] like there was this elevator sign I saw last month in China that shows a stick-figure banging its head on the sign [06:18] weird, I did a apt-get install bazaar and the only binaries installed are baz and bazaar-gpg-check [06:18] worse, there's a highway clearance sign on a bridge close to where I live that dangles like 3 feet lower than the clearance it stated [06:18] there was a news story about that [06:20] chillywilly: bzr != bazaar :-P [06:20] blah ;P === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] chillywilly: (1) you want bzr (2) you'd want to get it from bazaar-vcs.org's repos [06:22] I'm too flippin tired now... :) [06:22] brain no worky [06:23] actually bzr != bazaar == bzr :-) [06:23] so it's not packaged? [06:23] chillywilly: it is [06:24] installing from source is against ever fiber of my lazy being [06:24] chillywilly: bzr is bazaar-ng (which are often called just bazaar) [06:24] every* [06:24] apt-get install motivation [06:24] ;P [06:25] oh, sorry [06:29] so basically I was just trying to get a list of packages that would allow one to build a base ubuntu system [06:30] Anybody up for a REVU? Should be an easy one... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3984 [06:30] ScottK: sistpoty :-) [06:30] ScottK: it's only 6:29AM for us ;-) [06:30] ScottK: let me finish gallery2 security update and then I'll take a look ;) [06:30] Thanks. [06:32] sistpoty: lol. get some sleep man :-) [06:32] Nafallo: I already did tonight... from 22.00 to about 1.00h *g* [06:32] but I'm getting tired again, maybe I'll make another coffe [06:32] +e [06:33] maybe my good buddy ajmitchie can lend a helping hand ;) [06:33] wonder wtf he went [06:33] sistpoty: three hours... dude. that's worse than me that haven't slept :-P [06:34] hehe [06:34] ubotu: help me find ajmitch, I lost him [06:34] ubotu: seen ajmitch [06:35] ubotu: seen chillywilly [06:35] chillywilly is on IRC right now! [06:35] ;D === chillywilly slaps somerville32 around some [06:35] hmm, in pm he told me that he was last seen 1d or so ago [06:35] in here he ignores me [06:35] ubotu: uptime sistpoty [06:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about uptime sistpoty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:35] ubotu: ajmitch? [06:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about ajmitch? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:36] ubotu: seen ajmitch [06:36] I last saw ajmitch (n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch) 1d 1h 48m 15s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:36] there ya go [06:36] ubotu: botsnack [06:36] Yum! [06:36] ubotu: seen Nafallo [06:36] Nafallo is on IRC right now! [06:36] ubotu: please tell chillywilly botsnack [06:36] Fine - be picky [06:37] ubotu: please tell chillywilly about botsnack [06:37] ubotu: lart somerville32 [06:37] bummer :) [06:37] ubotu: help [06:37] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [06:38] pulseaudio-module-hal loses. Utterly. [06:38] so.. who won? [06:39] I did after hacking the conffiles. === somerville32 congratulates crimsun. [06:40] now, time to figure out wth pulseaudio-module-hal threw a hussy. [06:40] hello Universe :) [06:40] hi gauvain [06:40] hi Daniel [06:41] pretty early in the morning for you, no? :) [06:41] yes, 6:41am [06:41] or have you, too, gone sistpoty timezone? [06:41] crimsun: I'm still here [06:41] yeah, the sistpoty timezone. [06:42] now available in your local tzconfig [06:42] I usually wake up at 4am, so it's not that early ;) [06:42] utc +1, so it's 6.43 [06:42] hi gpocentek btw. [06:42] hi sistpoty [06:43] heya gpocentek [06:44] grml... perl... grml [06:44] all the EUs! [06:44] hi Toadstool [06:44] oh wait, Toadstool's still left coast [06:44] anyone who speaks perl around? [06:44] crimsun: yep :) [06:44] I hear Steven -loves- Perl. [06:45] well, I simply need s.th. like turn "find ." into an array of filenames [06:46] gpocentek, Are you going to be at the next Xubuntu-devel meeting? [06:46] somerville32: I'll try [06:46] gpocentek, Do you know what happened to Jani? He seems to have disappeared. [06:47] somerville32: I know that he tries to find/create a job, so he doesn't have much time for Ubuntu [06:47] sistpoty: 00:47 < gxti> chomp(@filenames = `find .`); ? :p [06:47] heh [06:47] crimsun: thanks [06:48] gpocentek, What are we going to do with Xubuntu? lol [06:48] somerville32: hum, make it work nicely ? :) [06:48] gpocentek, Wee :) [06:48] gpocentek, Feisty is looking nice so far. [06:49] I suggest replacing moz-tbird with evolution. Wee! [06:49] yes, and yesterday commits in Xfce svn look nice [06:49] crimsun: and thunar with konqueror [06:49] oooh [06:49] gpocentek, I don't monitor Xfce svn. What went in? [06:49] uhuh [06:49] gpocentek, crimsun: Maybe replace gxine with Amarok? [06:49] wine+iTunes kthx [06:49] gnight [06:50] somerville32: libexo now handles the mountings [06:50] what about bmpx ? :) [06:50] Nafallo: 'night [06:50] Nafallo: g'night [06:50] somerville32: and Thunar uses this of course [06:50] gpocentek, What was it using before? [06:50] mm, nice wrt exo [06:51] Thunar had its own code for this IIRC === gpocentek hopes a stable Xfce release will happen this month === Toadstool is getting a lil' tipsy with all this wine from Temecula [06:53] gpocentek, me too :] [06:53] gpocentek, My SRU for mousepad is almost ready. I just need to remove a few things from the patch and cjwatson said he would approve it. [06:53] somerville32: yep I've seen this === somerville32 is proud of himself. [06:54] :) [06:54] My SRU for curl got approved too and is already uploaded === somerville32 flexes. [06:54] did I upload that one? === somerville32 nods. [06:56] oh, nice... I tricked the gallery2 perl-script, that updates some weird checksum files and needs CVS entries for this into spitting out a file with the oneliner :) [06:56] yeah, a two-line diff [06:56] impressive :) [06:57] it is :) === somerville32 thinks about packaging a simple python application [07:00] Any application in particular? [07:00] pyneighborhood? === somerville32 cringes. [07:02] I dunno if pyneighborhood even works right - why waste time packaging it? [07:02] No one has reported being able to get it to work [07:03] If there is application I want to package but they don't offer it in a tarball, should I just tarball it? [07:03] (ie. they just give the one file) [07:03] wow. No, I think you're better off waiting a tick, then. [07:04] How long is a 'tick'? :] [07:07] enough time to package something else properly? ;) [07:09] I was thinking about doing this one, but it's a little beyond me yet: http://www.tummy.com/Community/software/tumgreyspf/ [07:09] gpocentek, Do you remember the discussion about the notification daemon? [07:09] somerville32: not really [07:10] gpocentek, Do we plan to ship it in Feisty? xfce-goodies has already stripped it of gnome stuff [07:10] somerville32: I tested it, it never worked for me [07:15] gpocentek, Could we do something with notification-daemon? [07:16] I don't think we ship anything like it, do we? [07:16] we dont, but do we really need this ? [07:16] hum, wait [07:17] no, we don't ship it [07:17] gpocentek, Is there anyway to see the reverse dependencies of notification-daemon? [07:18] apt-cache rdepends