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PriceChildmaxamillion: i just stumbled on your automatix in ubuntu by default comment :P12:26
maxamillionlol, yeah ... we posted at almost the exact same time because when i clicked "reply" yours wasn't there12:27
PriceChild+1 :)12:27
PriceChildjust merged the threads now12:27
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maxamillionarnieboy?12:28
naliothwhere is this blog?12:28
PriceChildnalioth: pricechild.co.uk12:28
PriceChildit appears on planet.ubuntu.com with forum summaries each week12:29
PriceChildand I've also got a spot on beryl's planet :P12:29
maxamillionnice12:29
PriceChildmaxamillion: he's the author of automatix12:29
maxamillionlol12:29
PriceChildmaxamillion: you must have heard about "the automatix wars"?12:29
maxamillionno, but they are slowly starting to look like gnome v kde wars12:30
PriceChildmaxamillion: it kinda ripped the forums apart.... not that I pretend to know much about what went on at all12:30
maxamillionbleh ... automatix is alright, it should be offered in the repos but not default12:31
naliothmaxamillion: no, it shouldn't.12:32
PriceChildhehehe :)12:32
maxamillionPriceChild: oh, so ... what's with all the hype around sabayon or whatever?12:32
PriceChildwatch your step maxamillion 12:32
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PriceChildmaxamillion: not a clue, never used it personally... might download it on tuesday... but it has beryl as standard, and that's why beryl have made it their official distro12:32
maxamillioni actually don't care .... only reason i know that software exists is because i have seen threads about it on the forums and i went to read about it12:33
naliothplease do not let the dutchman catch you talking about autocrapix in here12:33
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maxamillionnalioth: lol, fair enough12:33
naliothPriceChild: your blog isn't acting right, i can't visit older pages12:33
PriceChildnalioth: hmm odd... how do you mean?12:34
PriceChilddoesn't the scroll thing work for you?12:34
PriceChildit needs javascript12:34
PriceChild(i think)12:34
nalioththe "older" button isn't doing anything12:35
PriceChildworks fine for me...12:35
PriceChildi'll disable the fancy scrollbar for you12:35
Hawkwindnalioth: It's working here for me as well12:36
naliothnah, i've already gone on12:36
naliothnot seeing an automatix post12:36
PriceChildnalioth: we were talking about on the forums :P12:37
naliothah, 12:37
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PriceChildping maxamillion 02:23
maxamillionPriceChild: pong02:24
PriceChildmaxamillion: check this log out grrrrrrr02:24
maxamillionooo, link me!!! :)02:25
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maxamillion.... errr, that sounded bad02:25
PriceChild:)02:25
somerville32gnomefreak, maxamillion: Thats not true. 2.6 dropped a lot of old hardware support. 02:48
maxamillionsomerville32: yeah, i know ... learned the hard way ;)02:50
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somerville32seveas: ping03:48
somerville32@now amsterdamn03:48
somerville32@now where seveas lives03:48
somerville32@ Amsterdam 03:48
somerville32gah03:48
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somerville32@now amserdam03:48
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PriceChildsomerville32: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/03:49
somerville32@now amsterdam03:49
UbugtuCurrent time in Europe/Amsterdam: January 07 2007, 03:49:31 - Next meeting: Ubuntu New User's Network in 15 hours 10 minutes03:49
PriceChild3:50 am03:49
PriceChildlol there you go03:49
somerville32We need more ops in -offtopic03:50
PriceChild:P03:50
PriceChildsomerville32: whoa! - just read yipe's comments03:51
naliothwhy more ops?03:51
somerville32Because -offtopic is out of control almost all the time03:51
PriceChild<yipe> somerville32, shut up and go away, you're not an op, you're just annoying03:51
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PriceChildelkbuntu had a problem or two earlier in -offtopic earlier today (I think probably yesterday for him/her)03:54
elkbuntuyeah, he's a resident minor troll03:55
somerville32He talking about how much he wanted to have a girlfriend and kiss them and hold them and crap03:55
somerville32I asked him to stop03:55
PriceChildit got a little worse than that somerville32 03:56
somerville32Yeah03:56
somerville32They started talking about anal intercourse03:56
somerville32And if yipe said shutup to Seveas or someone, yipe would have been kbed by now03:56
somerville32I think he should be muted for a little while as this is not the first time I've had to steer the direction of the discussion in the opposite direction with yipe.03:57
elkbuntusomerville32, i know, but that would involve two hours of crap in here03:57
elkbuntuand with the new rules you incited, i wouldnt be able to ban him from here, someone else here would have to03:57
elkbuntuyou wouldnt be able to act either03:58
somerville32This is different though because he attacked me after I engaged03:59
somerville32If he randomly insulted me, then it would be necessary to ask someone else to review the case.03:59
somerville32If a police officer pulls you over and gives you a warning and you tell them "Oh just shut up and go away, I wasn't speeding."03:59
somerville32Do you think things would escalate?03:59
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elkbuntusomerville32, wrong. if i was to kb him from offtopic, he'd come in here and bitch and howl for a few hours, until one of the other ops had time to deal with him, as neither you nor i, as instigator and banning op, would only be able to speak/act to defend ourselves04:00
somerville32Ah, that business.04:01
elkbuntuthis is the situation your whinging the other week has put us in. enjoy it.04:01
elkbuntuthings worked perfectly fine before04:01
somerville32The new rule (which I didn't propose nor discuss with anyone since I wasn't at the meeting)  isn't permission to flood this channel with crap04:01
naliothsomerville32: do you know what "whinging" is ?04:02
somerville32protesting?04:02
elkbuntuin a 'but why' fashion04:03
naliothsomerville32: 'whinging' is the way Australians say "whining"04:03
elkbuntuyeah, we added a 'g'04:03
somerville32It's too late now but I don't think anything that happened last moth has anything to do with what just happened04:04
elkbuntusomerville32, no, but it affects how we get to deal with it04:05
somerville32Ok, lets "pretend here" that you did mute him.04:05
somerville32Lets say he wanted to complain04:06
somerville32He comes in here and states his complaint.04:06
somerville32If he spams/trolls then he gets the boot04:06
somerville32If there is no one here to deal with the issue, then he'll wait04:06
somerville32However, it was explicitly stated that we CAN defend ourselves but it would be best if we let another op handle it to make the process more transparent and to avoid unfairness04:07
somerville32What came about from my "whining" was a more transparent process and more accountability for op actions.04:08
somerville32We also examined how we were dealing with things - it was noted that we were too easy to ban people and now we've started using other methods to deal with instigators.04:10
elkbuntuno, it's created a channel where we cannot talk openly without situations that are sensitive, and we have to second-guess and jump through hoops04:10
elkbuntuthings. worked. fine. before04:10
somerville32I disagree.04:11
somerville32But oh well04:11
elkbuntuhow long have you been in a mod/op role?04:11
elkbuntunot just with ubuntu04:11
somerville32Few years04:11
naliothmod/op with a CoC, is what elkbuntu meant04:12
elkbuntunalioth, yes04:12
somerville32Few years04:12
nalioth##php and #debian ops/mods are terrors04:12
elkbuntui've been in mod/op roles with community behaviour 'policies' for 7 years, somerville32. you dont get *anywhere*04:13
elkbuntuyou dont go ranting and want people banned for saying shut up, that's what ##php and #debian ops do, not here, not in other places i've mod/op'd04:13
somerville321. I didn't ask for him to be banned04:14
elkbuntu<somerville32> And if yipe said shutup to Seveas or someone, yipe would have been kbed by now04:14
somerville32Right04:14
elkbuntua rose by any other name04:14
somerville32I said that to emphasis that I felt that action was unduly being delayed04:14
elkbuntuwhat he is doing in the channel is simply being himself04:15
elkbuntuhe's an 'emo' whiny lonely kid. this is the internet. those two things are not mutually exclusive04:15
elkbuntuemo whiny lonely kids are allowed to use ubuntu04:15
somerville32Sexuality is not an accepted topic of discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic04:16
elkbuntupeople talk about girlfriends allt he time04:16
somerville32And thats fine04:16
elkbuntubut?04:17
somerville32People don't want to hear him talk about how he wants to have a girlfriend and how he wishes this imaginary girl and himself could engage in certain risque activities04:18
somerville32And then they started to talk about anal intercourse04:19
somerville32Thats when I tried to redirect the discussion to something more acceptable04:19
elkbuntusomerville32, the butt sex where the 'butt' was a typo of 'but'04:19
somerville32Thats when he attacked me personally and a mute was necessary. 04:19
elkbuntuthere's personal attacks of various grades 24/7 in that channel, most extremely minor like 'shut up'. we're adults, we can ignore and get over this sort of taunt. if we were to mute/ban/kick for ever incident, we'd be worse than ##php and #debian.04:21
elkbuntuyou have no special rank in the channel anyway, why should telling *you* to shut up be any different to someone telling yipe himself to shut up04:22
elkbuntu(which happens about a thousand times a day)04:22
somerville32There is a difference between telling a friend to shutup and attacking someone04:23
somerville32the goal of the mute would be to demonstrate that the behaviour he had been exhibiting was inappropriate.04:23
elkbuntuthe mute would have achieved nothing of the sort04:24
somerville32Could you elaborate on why you feel that would be inappropriate?04:24
elkbuntubecause it would only *amplify* his behaviour04:25
naliothdo you know yipe, somerville32 ?04:25
somerville32nalioth: Just from what I've seen in the channel and he has demonstrated trollish tendencies as outlined in Matthew's guide to trolls.04:25
somerville32elkbuntu: How so?04:26
elkbuntusomerville32, because he'd come in here, and make the same arguements im making, but in a less coherant, and louder fashion04:26
nalioth"Matthews guide to trolls" ? URL ?04:26
somerville32PriceChild, ping04:26
PriceChildhi somerville32 04:26
somerville32elkbuntu: And what is your argument exactly?04:26
elkbuntuhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1032104&postcount=204:26
somerville32:] 04:27
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elkbuntusomerville32, that you're oversensitive, and easily insulted and think that insults against you are worse than insults against any normal channel user04:27
somerville32elkbuntu: You're saying that yipe shouldn't be reprimanded _because_ I'm oversensitive to insults? (disregarding the latter comment as it isn't true)04:29
elkbuntu{u,ku,xu}buntu-*  channels arent hippy love channels. they are channels were we're allowed to act like normal people. normal people disagree. normal people debate. normal people do occasionally tell other to shut up.04:29
elkbuntuc'est la vie04:30
somerville32Right so lets just stop right here because we're not going to resolve anything and I don't want to compromise our relationship by arguing.04:30
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hybridOH NOES Jucato !!!06:36
Jucatohi hybrid! :)06:36
hybridhow goes it Jucato ?06:37
somerville32moo06:37
Jucatodoing fine... about to take an afternoon nap when you buzzed :P06:37
hybridah sorry06:37
Jucatoheh no apologies. it's ok. :)06:37
Jucatoheh just a bit tired... slept at 3am... couldn't actually get decent sleep because of mosquitos... then woke up at 7am :)06:38
hybridyuk06:38
somerville32mosquitoes?06:39
hybridsleep is over rated06:39
somerville32All our mosquitoes are dead06:39
Jucatoheh :)06:39
Jucatosome of them had the unfortunate fate of dying when I rolled over them :P06:39
somerville32Thats... disgusting.06:40
somerville32You have mosquitoes in your room and in your bed?06:40
somerville32Where do you live - in the mountains?06:40
Jucatodoesn't bother me... I was asleep :)06:40
Jucatotropical country06:40
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nalioth:)06:42
somerville32Oh right, I'm on IRC.06:42
somerville32Sorry06:42
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DBOin the name of killing mosquitoes, all blood must be banished06:52
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elkbuntueep. who's bringing the mozzies?06:57
Jucatothey're following me around...06:57
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Jucatothanks y'all :)06:58
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Jucatoare those the lamp-like things that fries mozzies when they get close?06:59
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DBOno food... no prey =)06:59
Jucatolol06:59
Jucatono blood... no Jucato :)06:59
Jucatohm.. sounds good06:59
DBOthats only a minor oversite07:00
Jucatoheh, but does sound good :)07:00
naliothyes, with the great sizzling sounds and bright flashes :D07:02
Jucatofor some odd reason, mine didn't work last night...07:03
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nalioth!flash07:33
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats07:33
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ubotuIn ubotu, somerville32 said: no, revu is <reply> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU and http://revu.tauware.de/09:22
somerville32hmm...09:22
somerville32%whoami09:22
ubotusomerville3209:22
somerville32%editors09:22
ubotuSeveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul09:22
somerville32seveas: You forgot to re-add me : P09:22
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gnomefreakwhat is the command to turn umode +i off (if thats the one that hides channels your in?)10:12
somerville32 /mode gnomefreak -i10:13
gnomefreaksomerville32: /whois gnomefreak   how many channels do you see?10:14
somerville32You're in #ubuntu-xgl and I10:15
somerville32'm not10:15
somerville32so it worked.10:15
gnomefreakthats not the right command10:15
gnomefreakit only shows 1810:15
somerville32If you're in an invisible channel10:16
somerville32You'll have to change the mode on the channel10:16
gnomefreaki do whois and it shows all 2010:17
gnomefreakits not showing #ubuntu-nun nor #ubuntu-mozillateam10:18
gnomefreakbut it does for me10:18
somerville32Both channels are secret channels10:20
somerville32ie. +s10:20
gnomefreakoh10:20
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Seveassomerville32, muha11:33
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Seveassomerville32, I've just read the backlog in here12:09
Seveassomerville32, may I suggest that you step back a bit and see how we do things before trying to start a revolution?12:09
somerville32Seveas: I think that would be a good idea.12:09
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elkbuntuSeveas, wtf was with me being opped and deopped before?01:49
Seveashobbsee was having fun01:50
Seveasor ompaul01:50
Hobbseewasnt me01:50
elkbuntu<geoffb> I'm in Australia, obviously... why else would the Australian's be trying to hard to troll me? :-) <-- gee i wonder what this is about02:12
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Hobbseesomerville32: you do know that you should expect to be insulted as an op, etc, and cop more crap than anyone else, dont you?03:15
Hobbseesomerville32: and that getting people to the point of hating your guts is bad03:15
Hobbseemainly because it's very hard to stop them03:15
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geoffbuh, apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm having a wierd problem with an #ubuntu* channel, can I have some help with it pls?03:19
Hobbsee!ask03:20
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)03:20
geoffbok, sorry, a bit nervous about it all right now. it's taken me 20 minutes to figure this out... as far as I can tell, I've been kicked/banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for saying "geoffb: irc has ad breaks?"... I can't rejoin the channel in any case03:21
geoffbdid I break an unwritten rule with that or something?03:21
Seveasgeoffb, you were given an IRC break ;)03:22
geoffbuh... <tap><tap> anyone here? is this thing on?03:23
Hobbseeno03:24
geoffbHobbsee: ?03:24
Hobbseeno, this thing is not on :P03:24
geoffblol03:24
geoffbso no idea about the kick/ban then huh?03:25
Hobbseeyou got unbanned again03:25
Hobbsee[01:03]  *** Seveas removes the ban on *!*@ppp244-69.static.internode.on.net.03:25
geoffbwell, removing a ban doesn't really matter... what was it that I did to get banned in the first place?03:26
mc44geoffb: the ban was removed right after it was put on. Can you still not join the channel?03:28
Hobbseea delayed ban for excess flooding last night, would be a start, imo..03:28
Hobbseebut i didnt set it03:28
geoffbmc44: no, I cannot.03:29
mc44Seveas: ^03:29
geoffbHobbsee: ? flood protection is 'on' here, I didn't flood, unless freenode is more sensitive to it than others?03:29
Hobbseegeoffb: i believe it was in -au03:30
geoffbohhhh, ok, you're probably on about that thing where one of the ops got upset about a bunch of us trying to deal with a potential suicide case in channel... no worries...03:31
DBOIRC is a bad place to deal with potential suicide cases03:31
geoffbI *thought* that the most important thing was to help out the person in trouble, I guess I got that wrong.03:31
Seveasgeoffb, there are no bans on you so you can join. If you cannot, then that's gods sign that you should not try to join03:31
DBO=P03:32
Seveasgeoffb, and please don't reiterate old discussions03:32
geoffbDBO: you're right, sometimes you've just gotta do whatever you can!03:32
Seveasgeoffb, this channels is for operator matters. So there's nothing for you to do in here03:32
DBOgeoffb, we can take this elsewhere, because this isn't the place (PM is fine), but the right solution would have been to call the local authorities if you really thought it was honest03:32
DBOPM me your response if you wish to continue =)03:33
geoffbno, sorry... I was just looking for help with the ban, if that can't be fixed, that's no worries... thanks all y'all for your help, sorry to bother ya :-)03:34
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DBOelkbuntu, sorry im not really into pokemon03:34
elkbuntuDBO, if he mentions me in PM, let me know03:35
Jucatopokmon...03:36
elkbuntuapparantly my destruction is his life goal now03:36
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elkbuntuPriceChild, im on his /ignore list now :D03:37
PriceChilddamn!03:37
elkbuntui kept speaking in the channel i 'followed' him into03:37
DBOelkbuntu, what did you do to him?03:37
elkbuntuDBO, someone pasted a private conversation of said suicide attempter into -au, i told said person it was a bad idea, geoff went ballistic, crapped on about how i was evil and flexing op evilness, pm'd me that my destruction is his new life goal, then i spoke in offtopic, not realising i was replying to him03:39
DBOelkbuntu, you ARE evil, we all know this03:41
elkbuntuyep, so evil i even restrained from banning him03:42
DBOtaking care of suicide on IRC is like trying to diffuse a bomb while blindfolded03:42
elkbuntus/restrained/refrained/03:42
mc44DBO: with a hammer03:43
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mc44DBO: cant touch this03:45
SeveasSTOP03:45
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SeveasHammer Time03:45
DBOwe're all going to hell it seems03:47
DBOor at least, if my grandfather (rest his soul) is to be believed...03:47
DBOas MC Hammer is one of the many forms of the devils music03:47
mc44Seveas: http://thefunniest.info/top.html number 4 :)03:47
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Seveasmc44, I know03:48
Hobbsee!meeting03:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:48
Seveasthere are many more03:48
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somerville32Hobbsee|NotHere, People... hate me?04:25
Seveassomerville32, probably05:09
somerville32Yeah, lol, probably05:09
somerville32@lart 28 somerville3205:14
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jendahttp://photos-453.ak.facebook.com/ip006/v20/144/123/11759/n11759_30488453_3716.jpg06:22
jendaJust why does that sound like Ubuntu's t1ts?06:42
PriceChildjenda: tut tut06:44
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naliothwho in the hell keeps removing the goddamned factoids?09:17
PriceChild!-xincludes09:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xincludes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:18
maxamillionhiya PriceChild 09:19
PriceChildhey  maxamillion 09:20
PriceChildso doesn't that mean that xincludes didn't exist ever?09:20
naliothit existed, i put it in.09:20
PriceChildwell yeah lol09:20
nalioth!xincludes is <reply> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev09:24
ubotuI'll remember that, nalioth09:24
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ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Swig0FreedomMilk said: ubotu, what is your favorite color?10:30
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, nickspoon said: ubotu, what is the meaning of life?10:33
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naliothhi ompaul 12:19
ompaulhi nalioth 12:19
gnomefreakhello12:20
ompaulhiya john12:20
gnomefreaksomeone type ping gnomefreak please i want to see if i got the new version hacked right12:23
gnomefreakgnomefreak ping12:23
gnomefreakeven12:23
ompaulgnomefreak ping12:24
ompaulis that what you want12:24
gnomefreakyeah12:24
gnomefreakbut it didnt work12:24
gnomefreakhmmmm12:24
gnomefreakguess that means i got work to do tomorrow like i wasnt busy enough :(12:24
ompaulk12:25

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